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Here. We
should have a little talk.

I come to see my wife

but then she weren’t here...

and I found out she was dead.

I’m Bill...

I’m a G-H-O-S-T.

Mark it.

And action.

Think of yourselves
as a jury now.

I come along to you, and
I say, "A girl has levitated.

She seemed to
float round the room."

You say, "Right.
You’re hallucinating."

That’s the usual thing.
"You’re hallucinating."

You know? "You’re going round
the bend. No such thing can happen."

But...

What’s happening now?

I can’t get in. There’s a
really strong force pushing the door.

What’s happening? What? What?

Janet. Janet.

And I could see her going up

and down, up and down.

She’s gone from that
to that in a sixth of a second.

Dragged. Like
this. Like-Like this.

She’s showing being
pulled forward with her hands together.

The chair, which was standing by
Janet’s bed, appears to have moved.

The chair’s
been thrown nine feet.

Help!

Now the chair gone over.

I’m Bill Wilkinson.

I come from Durants
Park graveyard.

I had an hemorrhage,
and I fell asleep,

and I died in a chair
in a corner downstairs.

Now, that is what I
call first-class evidence.

Maurice Grosse seems to
imagine that the often barely audible

and very noisy sound recordings, of
which he plays snatches at meetings,

constitute facts that
others have to disprove

if they are to challenge
paranormality at Enfield.

Now can you say,
"Anita Gregory"?

Come on. "Anita Gregory."

I have visited
the house on four occasions.

Come on. Come on, try. I know
it’s hard. Say, "Anita Gregory."

The extremely
uncritical attitude

of Maurice Grosse
and Guy Playfair

seems to me to cast
doubt on their reliability

as interpreters of experience.

The cry that I so often hear is,

"You want to believe,
so you believe."

We’re talking about
assessing the evidence

because this is
very, very important.

First of all, a deep,
gruff, male staccato voice

coming from the
child, Janet, 11 years...

The Enfield case had
been going on for about six months.

It was already very famous.

It had been reported in
the media and on television.

Quite a lot of people were
critical of the investigations,

and I know that Maurice and
Guy were certainly upset by that.

From their perspective,

they were spending all
their time on this case.

And yet, here they saw
these, you know, rather dry,

academic types in the SPR who
were just expressing skepticism.

Janet didn’t even
know what a poltergeist was.

How is it that she spoke in
the same manner as poltergeists

were reported two centuries ago?

How does a child of 11 years
old cope with this sort of voice?

Janet still maintains that
the only thing she feels when it talks

is a vibration in the back
of her head and neck.

I’ve explained to her that
she is talking in this voice,

but she maintains
she is unaware of it.

I have, as yet, found no reason
to disbelieve what she says.

We’ve seen, quite
clearly, time and time again,

that the voice talks through her without
any movement of her lips whatsoever.

I mean, people who should know
better say, "Well, that’s ventriloquism."

Well, you produce me the ventriloquist
who can talk without even a tremor

on his lips and
articulate correctly.

I’d like to see it.

I mean, absolutely impossible.

I mean, if she
was a ventriloquist,

she’d be world’s number one.

Mr. Ray Alan.

Thank you so much for having me.

Ladies and gentlemen, I
apologize. I’ve had a couple.

One evening we’re at the house.

I’ve looked out the window,

and this unbelievably expensive
car has pitched up outside.

This chap got out. I thought...
"I recognize him."

Yes, it was TV
ventriloquist Ray Alan.

Ventriloquist.

What is going on?

The managing editor of
the Mirror sent Ray Alan round.

I can only assume the motivation
was to discredit that whole saga.

I was horrified
when I found out.

He was there to work out
whether it was physically possible

for Janet to make those voices.

Ray Alan was a very funny man,

but if you were choosing a
team of people to gather evidence,

you wouldn’t put
Ray Alan in the team.

He wouldn’t have
been sympathetic.

He took them off
into a room on their own,

so no one ever knew
what was said in there.

I think the family
were looked down on.

All national newspapers were
skeptical, I think, of paranormal stories.

The Mirror was under pressure.

If you want to knock it
as a story, you’ll knock it.

The story was run that Ray Alan
said they put on the voices themselves.

They giggled and
laughed about it.

You know, they’d play tricks.

Friday, March the 31st.

This morning, Mrs.
Hodgson phoned me

about the article in the
Daily Mirror printed yesterday.

She said that Margaret was
most disturbed at the accusations.

I reached the
family at 12:00 noon.

Now, Janet, please
come over here.

Ja-Janet, please pay attention.

Come on. Look,
this is very serious.

Now, listen. Did you, Janet,

say to them that you
had faked the voices?

So... No.

No, because they didn’t ask me,
and I haven’t faked ’em anyway.

How did he get that idea then?
I mean, what exactly happened?

Said that he’d been up here...

and that you’d, given them a
long confession to practically everything.

Margaret. Will you come
over here, Margaret dear?

What did he say
to you, Margaret?

Come on, Margaret.
This is terribly important.

You must tell me.

Come on, don’t worry about
it. What did he say to you?

He was saying...

I don’t know what
he was talking about.

He was just saying
things I didn’t understand.

What
was he saying? Sa...

Well, you see, words
I didn’t understand.

You didn’t understand what
he was saying, Margaret?

- No.
- And so what did you say to him?

I was just daydreaming, thinking
about what I need for school tomorrow.

I wasn’t listening to him at
all. I was thinking what I need.

And I’m going like
this all the time.

- Yeah.
- Nodding, that’s all.

Okay, so you were
nodding your head?

- That’s right.
- Yeah.

- I was just daydreaming.
- I see.

Now, listen, I’m going
to ask you a question.

He said that you said you and Janet
had got together to fake the voices.

- Now, is that true? Yes or no?
- No.

You definitely did not say it?

I did not say that
even if I nodded.

- You definitely didn’t say it?
- I didn’t say it with my own mouth, no.

- You didn’t say it with your own mouth.
- No.

Do you think the voice might
have said it? As far as you know...

My voice didn’t speak
once while they was in here,

so I don’t know why
they picked on me.

Well, listen, Mr. Grosse and I have
got to know absolutely everything

that wasn’t quite genuine, you know?

Otherwise, it’s gonna make
a lot of m-mess in our work.

You must understand it from
our point of view, you know?

That we’re trying to defend
you against these people,

so we’ve got to be
absolutely certain.

I was always a nervous child.

I was never that strong.

I always cry at a bat of an eyelid if
someone said something wrong to me.

I remember approaching teenage years
and being very scared and frightened.

And I couldn’t understand
why this was going on

and what it could be.

And that really
emotionally upset me.

Now, Margaret, have you at
any time faked the voice at all?

No. Never. You absolutely never?

You have not?
Yeah, I’m quite sure.

Now, do you think that Janet
has ever faked the voice?

- Not that I know of, no. No.
- Not that you know of.

Have you ever faked any of the
physical things that have happened?

No.

Definitely not? Definitely not.

Not even one of them?

No. On my life.

On your life. Right. Thank you.

Why would I say it was a fake?

How could I say it
was a fake? I-I can’t.

Come on, Margaret. I
said you can go to sleep as well.

Go on then. Good girl.

My father had three
children, and we were all quite naughty.

And we played
games, and he knew...

Knew perfectly well when
a child was playing a game.

No, thank you.

I don’t want you turning
my tape recorder as far as...

For someone to come along
and say that everything was a game.

That, Janet was the
greatest ventriloquist in the world.

That she, um,
was the greatest magician in the world.

That the two of
these girls were so brilliant

at their deception capabilities, that
they could, um... They could fool, um,

you know, professionals in...

Of every standing, um,
is, frankly, laughable.

Things escalated
with the press quite fast.

It was disturbing.

Papers were coming after us.
They were saying different things.

Some was okay, some weren’t.

There was all different people coming
in the house, and that scared me.

Hello?

When the story became
more well-known in the United States,

there was a lot of pressure,

and they were very
fragile, this family.

Something that we
didn’t understand at first.

Before we knew it,
different countries were phoning us.

People from all over the world
just wanted to know what was going on.

The more it escalated,
the more press,

the more people
wanted to come and see.

This is what they’re
saying in the paper today.

"The guttural voice...

like that of an old man, swears,

threats and growls
like an animal.

’It is the voice
of the devil’"...

The Warrens were
a couple of ghost hunters.

For those who
lived through The Amityville Horror,

the emotional
shock still lingers.

The Warrens have investigated
many disturbed houses.

And they examined
the empty house...

Whenever you got
these odd things reported,

um, they would be
banging on the door.

If we say that we hear voices,
of a supernatural nature,

such as in the Enfield
home in England,

- they can’t go to the police.
- All on a level. No baloney.

When we say
somebody levitates...

- You’ll have to find out.
- There’s no scientist

in the world today

who could dispute the
evidence that we have

in regards to the preternatural
and the supernatural

and possession of individuals.

Let’s face it. So, whatever
I say is only conjecture.

When I came on this case, it
was obvious to me it was genuine.

It had all the hallmarks
of a poltergeist case

as soon as I walked
into the house.

And of course, first thing we looked
for is fraud, but I didn’t find any.

- Right.
- But we certainly have had

the children motivated,
apparently motivated,

to do things against their will.

- Now... Yes, instructed.
- Instructed.

Now, I believe that in
lots of poltergeist cases

where people have walked in and
seen children do the things, they’ve said,

- "That’s a fake. That’s a f"...
- Well, we call it oppression.

- The... the child is oppressed.
- Being instructed...

Their thoughts are oppressed
to explain something...

And immediately they are the culprit.

The inexperienced
investigator will say,

- "Well, it’s all fraud."
- Fraud.

That’s it. Good. Good.
I’m delighted to hear you say this.

- We’ve seen this time and time again.
- Yes, we’ve heard it many times.

- Of course not.
- We understand...

Well, I’m glad you do because I
have had rather a few arguments here

with people I-I should’ve
thought would know better.

Of course. But the man who will
say that it is not so, Mr. Grosse,

we find to be a man who spends
most of the time in the lab...

And very little time in the field.

Psychic phenomena are elusive.

They do not conform
to the dictates

of our very limited
knowledge of the universe.

The hardened skeptics may
dismiss the evidence out of hand,

but if anything, I’ve been over-cautious
and over-careful in my approach.

If you’re looking
at a poltergeist case,

it’s no good taking this bit and
saying, "The kids played around here."

And this bit saying,
"Mr. what’s-name did this

and Mrs. what’s-name"...

You gotta look
at the whole area.

Can I ask you on the ethical
front, how far are you willing to go?

You’re in this girl’s
bedrooms...

You know, how far are you going here?

If you say this happened,
and then someone says it didn’t,

that’s a challenge
to your integrity.

With respect, you
can pull each scene apart,

but you gotta take the
whole thing collectively.

What-What-What
are we looking for?

He could argue.

At the end of the day,
you have got to say

whether you think it’s a genuine
case or not a genuine case.

It’s as simple and
as difficult as that.

And if he felt someone
affronted him...

he would fight his corner.

I
May be... I may be too dogmatic,

but I... All right, then you give
me somebody who can speak

with their mouths closed,
and I’ll give you £500. In my d...

Dad... was quite
opinionated and quite argumentative.

I’ve offered £1,000 to
anybody who can produce a girl

under similar circumstances,
and it’s never been taken up.

He’s confident, he’s
tenacious, and he’s pugnacious.

Undaunted. Single-minded.

All right, time is, ten o’clock.

What’s that for?

As far as I can see,

the tape is absolutely,
completely sealed over her mouth.

Now, just a minute, before
we do anything else, Janet,

try and say, "Daisy, Daisy,
give me your answer do."

- Try.
- Just try.

Why can’t you do it?

’Cause the plaster is
sticking your lips together?

Right. And that’s why I used
this particular type of plaster.

No, she can breathe
through her mouth all right.

We’re going to try and record the voice.

Are you there, Bill?

Bill, can’t you talk when
Janet’s got her mouth taped up?

Janet, don’t you say
anything. Just let him talk.

Come on, Bill. Come on. What
have you got to say for yourself?

I’m-I’m facing the wall
now, like you... -

What’s that? What did you say?

Listen, can you... can you
say something clearly to me?

Can you say to
me, "Shut the door"?

No, that’s not very good.

You can do better
than that. Say it.

Shut the door.

That was good.
Okay, say something else.

What else can you say?

Say, "Hello, Mr. Grosse."

Hello, Mr. Grosse.

Well, that’s
impossible, isn’t it?

That is fantastic. The
voice was pretty clear there.

So, I’m going to try
something else now.

Right, take the water into your mouth.

I want to see how much
water you take, all right?

Now hold that amount of water
in your mouth, all right? Right.

Now, off we go again.

I challenge you to talk.

Come on. I’m waiting for you.

What’s the matter?
What does that mean?

You can’t do it, hey? I’m
surprised. I thought you could do it.

What’d you say? You
can? Well, do it then.

I remember
feeling uncomfortable...

but as a kid, you don’t
know what’s going on.

Say, "Daisy, Daisy,
give me your answer do."

Or something else. I
don’t mind what you say.

Anything you like, but
I want proper words.

Bill. Bill, you know that
you’re famous, don’t you?

You’re very famous now.

Will you say a
sentence for me? Come on now.

I say that you can’t talk when
Janet’s got her mouth full of water.

Go... Go on then. I’m wondering
if you can say it now. Come on.

Bill. Bill.

Daisy. Daisy.

Janet.

No. Janet, why didn’t you spit
the water out until I told you?

You always... - No,
I-I don’t want you to do anything

until I tell you.

You spat the water out too soon.

- He made me.
- I know he made you do it.

I know he made you do
it, but you mustn’t do it...

You must wait
until I get in. You...

I can’t help it.

Janet, please try
and cooperate with me, all right?

You did very, very well then.

You did very well
indeed, and so did he.

He did very well.

I’m not gonna go with hindsight.

I’m saying at the
time, to me, it was real.

In a field where deception
and self-deception

are the rule.

A field where the
imagination may, in fact,

play an active and creative part

in producing that which
is being investigated.

How does one justify
a claim to knowledge?

To reasonable belief?

What degree of certainty
is it reasonable to demand?

The SPR was full of
people who were hunting for phenomena

to prove psychic things happen,

without being really interested in how
we could understand the phenomena

in-in other ways.

Anita Gregory
was very intelligent.

And she valued
openness and honesty,

and listening to the
evidence in science.

Right, back into bed.

She’s on the bed this time.

- You didn’t get that?
- Stop where you are.

Anita Gregory. Hi.

Go on,
in-in you go. In you go.

Saw with your eyes, she
was right on the bed that time.

Billy, I don’t want
any more crying.

God, I was pulled out that time.

- Were you there when
she was... - Yes. Yes.

Janet, how do
you feel this time?

Is it doing the same to you
this time as it does before?

- Yeah.
- Tell them how it gets hold of you.

It pulls you up by the hands?

Does it feel as if it’s
holding you all the way

- when you go through the air?
- Yes.

- Yes. Yes.
- Are you sure?

What about the blankets?

- What does it do about those?
- What do you mean about them?

Well, they push
you back quite a bit, don’t they?

Does it push them
along with you?

Nah.

Get out. You old slut.

That old cow, I don’t like her.

Who’s that?

Anita Gregory.

Why don’t you like her?

’Cause she don’t believe me.

She will when I
pull her pants down.

I think it
is not at all surprising

that when Anita went there,

much less happened than
when Maurice was there.

If you ask me what a
poltergeist is...

I...

I-I don’t know, a
collection of phenomena

driven by, usually,
a family situation.

I mean, there’s usually
children involved, not always.

Um, there’s usually all kinds
of tensions and things going on.

The trouble
is that this sort of case

is an unwholesome
and painful mixture

of personal and
social pathology...

play-acting, group interaction,

self-deception,
trickery, ego-tripping,

and conceivably, some
authentic paranormality.

The real problem is
disentangling them.

- I saw you banging on the floor, Janet.
- I didn’t.

I saw you.

- I saw you bang.
- I didn’t bang.

I saw you bang.

I didn’t bang.

I saw you bang.

You may not have
known you banged,

but I know you banged
’cause I saw you.

- All right?
- No, I’m not all right.

Control
yourself. Control yourself.

- I can’t control myself.
- Or control it.

Control it to stop you banging.

I’m not gonna control.

I’m not gonna control it.

- It’s not my fault.
- It is if you don’t control it.

I can’t!

Can’t what?

Can’t say.

All right.

Silly old sod.

Silly
old sod. Fucking old bastard.

I’ve often wondered
how many paranormal cases

have failed to be recognized

because the investigator
saw a childish prank?

Did
anybody touch this tape recorder?

- No.
- Nope.

I personally would be
surprised if the children from time to time

had not attempted
to copy events.

Will you all close your eyes

and go to sleep now,
please. Stop looking for things.

The more you look for things,
the more they’re gonna happen.

Because they’re
so boisterous at the moment,

I’m ignoring all present
phenomena as evidence.

I was definitely,
um, on the alert.

I didn’t automatically
believe everything.

But then I didn’t
automatically dismiss it.

- Did you just write this?
- What?

Janet used to say, "it’s
doing this," "it’s doing that."

- Did you just write it?
- You couldn’t tell

whether some of it was coming from
the conscious or unconscious minds

of Janet and-and Margaret.
You just couldn’t tell.

What’s the matter?

Tell me.

I don’t wanna sleep in here.

Do you know why that is,
’cause she’s being watched.

I wanna get out of here!

I wanna get out of here.

What’s the matter with Janet?

She said she’s
gonna kill someone in a minute.

Excuse me, Janet. Excuse
me, Janet. Come out, Janet.

As it happens, there’s one
knife missing downstairs.

Janet.

I can’t hear
what you’re saying, darling.

No good talking like that.
Now, tell me what you’re saying.

I don’t wanna sleep in here.

Why not, Janet?

I’m being watched all the time.

Who’s watching you?

Who’s watching you?

I will fucking kill him.

Here, stop swearing.

Janet, turn round and let
me look at you, come on.

Come on, get your
head up. Come on.

Nobody’s watching you
and nobody’s blaming you.

Goodness me, Janet, you’ve
known me long enough now.

Nobody’s blaming you at all.

Being where?

Now listen. Well,
because it’s using you,

you’re the only one who can
try and stop it doing this. All right?

I’m trying to make it so that it
doesn’t worry you all the time,

that’s what I’m trying to do.

And it’s a very hard job,
Janet, I’m trying to do.

I know it’s very
nasty for you as well.

It’s very nasty for your mum, it’s
very nasty for Margaret and Billy.

Do you understand that?
I’m doing it to help you, Janet.

Mom.

Christ!
What’s the matter?

What’s the matter?

I can’t tell you.

Sit down, sit down.

I remember being very, very
scared for Janet, you know.

- I can’t tell you!
- Just tell us.

When the things was happening, I
didn’t understand fully what was going on.

And then we had
questions at school.

Children coming after Janet.

Some kids coming round the
house shouting outside the window.

Pointing at us in the streets,

some calling Janet possessed,
some calling me a witch.

"Ghosty, are you in there?"
and run off and all that.

I get very tearful over it,
even now and I get very upset.

There was
nowhere... - To run.

- ’Cause inside you’ve...
- experienced all this,

I wasn’t getting...

in my mind,
anywhere away from it.

Can you tell Mr. Grosse
what you actually saw, Janet?

You said you saw
a face on the wall.

Okay, what sort of face?

A man’s face.

- Can you describe it?
- Yeah.

- He had gray hair.
- Yeah?

And he was all wrinkled.

And he had brown eyes.

Is it the sort of face you’d seen
before? Have you seen him before?

No.

Bill wants to come now.

Turn around.

Try not to be frightened by it.

- Some of the... You have... -
I’m not frightened for myself.

No, you’re frightened for
Janet, and I appreciate that.

Myself. I’m more
frightened for Janet.

Margaret said to
me the other day,

and then she said there’s
something wrong with Janet.

She’s very peculiar lately.

Janet’s full of hate.

And this is her when she’s
on her own. I’ll show you.

She never does it
when anyone’s here.

Continually.

Mrs. Hodgson is
sitting on the, settee.

She’s rocking backwards and forwards
and rubbing her hands round and round.

- This is Janet. She’s like this.
- Yes, I’ve seen Janet do that.

- I’ve seen Janet do that.
- Yeah.

She did say
to me the other week,

she said "this thing, this
thing" she kept saying.

She knows there’s
something there.

"In the
evening I went to Enfield

by the Piccadilly
line and 1-0-7 bus.

Maurice Grosse, Guy Playfair
and David Robertson were there.

The talking poltergeist, in quotes,
was much improved. Very fluent."

Bill, can David... David
Robertson come in? Can he come in?

Yeah.

The girls were getting still quite
a lot of disturbances at night,

being thrown out of
bed, that kind of thing.

And the voice was
very strong at that time.

David, come in.

Hello, Davey boy.

Hello.
- Hello.

Can I turn around to face you?

No, you’ll scare me.

I want you to tell me something.

Go on then.

I wanna know
about periods for girls.

Would you like to talk
with someone else?

No, you. You’re
a boy, you’ll know.

- When you earl-earlier on...
- Don’t change the subject!

I wanna talk about periods!

Being dirty, why can’t
you stop being dirty?

Do you want to
take over? Come on, it’s all right.

- All right, I will, if you want.
- Great.

He’s being a bit dirty now.

So we heard it, yeah.

Why do girls have periods?

Let me see if I can explain.

You probably know that
um, inside little girls...

Big girls.

Or big girls, yes.

There is a little egg
and it comes out...

Ou-out of a certain
part of the body.

And, um, this
happens every month.

And you can’t keep these eggs there
permanently because they go stale.

So what you have to do is to
provide a new one every month.

Does that help
about the periods?

Why...

Do...

Why do what?

Men...

Why do men what?

Wear...

Those things?

What things?

What-What things?

What things, Bill?

Those things.

What do they look like?

What do you mean clothes?

No.

What then?

Plastic things.

Plastic things?

In bed with a woman.

Aah, yes. Well, that’s...
That’s fairly simple.

Is my tape
going? The one on the wall.

Yes. Righto.

Don’t go away, will you?

We’ll do our best to answer.

They were mostly
men who did these investigations.

And I think they didn’t take

enough account of the
psychology of children.

How do girls have babies?

Now never mind about babies.
Will you forget about sex?

Is there anything else you want to
know? There must be something else.

Well, I’ll tell you what,
I’ll ask you a question.

Bill? Bill, stop bouncing on the
bed, Bill. Come on, Bill. Pack it up.

On the whole, women then,
especially talking that long ago,

when-when most children were
looked after mostly by their mothers,

and most mothers didn’t work,

and most women would have been
much more familiar with ’kids play’

and why and what
they’re like and so on.

Pack it up. All right,
all right, all right, okay.

- Okay, Bill.
- And these were

well-educated male scientists with
very little experience of young kids.

Not realizing that
that was relevant.

You know that there are people

who consider that
you don’t exist at all,

you’re simply a fragment
of Janet’s subconscious.

What do you think
of that sort of theory?

What do you mean?

Well, as we know, people
have a consciousness

and some people
think that people like you

are, in fact, part of the
consciousness of, in this case, Janet.

Are you Janet?

There was always a feeling like,

before anything really sort of
surfaced properly, I think, you know?

Yeah, looking back, yeah.

It was like there was something
there, but you couldn’t explain it.

And I was at that age where
you’re just finding yourself.

Mum and Dad had divorced.

I’d left primary school and I
was starting secondary school.

And that is an unsettling time.

It is difficult to work
out who you are then.

And then when you were at school,
you think "what am I going home to?

I don’t know where I wanna be."

You just feel so confused in what’s
gonna happen when I do get home.

I felt used and possessed.

The voice was using me.

It was a feeling like
it was behind me.

And it was like a-a gruff...
Very gruff deep voice.

Horrible experience.

Janet, tell
me what’s the matter.

Janet.

Tell me what’s the matter.

- Janet?
- Listen to me.

- No, it’s only me, it’s only me.
- Janet.

I think she’s angry.

Now when I saw... Go over
in my mind the things that did happen,

it makes me go cold.

And it was like a-a force.

It’s all right,

We need a doctor.

Janet was totally in a
different place. It was frightening.

And one evening we couldn’t get her back.

Yes?

Get off me!

- Who... Who do you want?
- Graham.

Graham’s here. He’s here.

She was thrashing about,
and she was gonna hurt herself.

Christ.

Steady. Steady.

Steady on. Steady on. There’s
a good girl. There’s a good girl.

Maurice was
doing everything he could,

and my mum was crying. I was scared.

Yes, Daddy’s here.

I... We’re
here. We’re here.

We are... I’m here.

All right, all right. Nobody’s...

Yes, yes. All
right, it’s all right.

Nobody’s hurting... Nobody is hurting
you, Janet. Nobody is hurting you.

That’s the impression
she’s giving me. That she’s being hurt.

The doctor was called and
he ended up giving her a tranquilizer

which he said would
knock out a horse.

You’re hurting me.

You’re hurting me.
You’re hurting me.

I just remember the doctor being
there and giving her this shot and it...

It didn’t work. It was horrible.

Yeah, she calmed
down eventually.

All right.
Yes. All right.

If anybody should
ask me if I was frightened

in the course of
my investigations,

I would definitely say "yes" to this
phenomenon of apparent possession.

Especially when it is
accompanied by a show of violence

that verges on
the self-destructive.

The first time I saw this at
Enfield, I was really scared.

Not for myself, but for what
might happen to that child.

Who’s that...
Who’s that child...

It’s Janet. Now, here
you are. Janet, Janet Hodgson.

Later, I’m downstairs.
I heard a crash from upstairs.

First person in there was
John Burcombe, her uncle.

And there’s a big old radio.

And Janet is up on top of
the whole... of the whole thing,

lying-lying across it.

Asleep or just coming round.

I mean he’s... -
Maurice cared about us.

He did come to try and help

but he probably never experienced
anything on this scale before.

Everything had gone,
normality and normal life.

Because of what was happening.

That’s the only thing. Well, I mean,
you have to make it...

Do-Do what we
can to try and stop it.

And if that fails, the only
way that never fails is to...

Is to split up, you know, because
then only one of you can get it.

Um, I should think
probably it would be Janet.

She seems to be more susceptible

because she was more susceptible
than Margaret to begin with I think.

- Much more.
- Definitely.

Yes, this just won’t stop.

We just have to use
drastic methods, you know?

It’s gonna be a bit
rough on everybody.

It gets a bit dicey.

It means separating
the family, you know.

It’s the only way.

I’ll be honest with you,

I don’t think this
is gonna stop.

I think it’s just gonna
go on, and on, and on.

We will have to separate
the children, this is my opinion.

Yeah, but where do we go?

Well, if it won’t stop, you would
have to be taken to a special home.

What sticks out in me mind now,
in my-my later years, is my mum.

She did what she could,
but it wasn’t easy for her.

Mum and Dad weren’t
together anymore.

The upset of me brother
Johnny going away to school.

Poor Johnny.

There was only a year
between me and him.

Mum would-wouldn’t really
say too much about the problem.

But I know he
was quite a handful

and I think they thought it
would be best if he went away.

And then the family
s-sort of split up.

You know there was six of us
and then suddenly there was, like,

just Mum and the three of us.

Now, you know, she
had to make a choice

for me to go into
a children’s home.

The time is now ten past
nine and this is Peggy Nottingham.

And she’s just going to tell about
Mrs. Hodgson coming into her house

this morning and how she felt.

She’s really gone
through a lot, ain’t she?

She really has.

And I think she’s
put up with a lot.

Too much for anyone.

She just sat there
and broke down.

And she said, "I
got up this morning

and I see some tablets in
the cupboard, bottle of tablets,"

she said, "and I got
hold of them in me hand

and I thought of the children."

she said, otherwise, she said,
"If it hadn’t been for my children,"

she said, "I would have
took the lot of them."

I always find it’s always the
bad things that stick in your mind.

Strangest part about it, I can
always remember the bad things

more than anything else.

Johnny going away was the
biggest heartbreak of the lot,

I’ll never forget that day.

Ooh, you don’t know
what a wrench it is.

A seven-year-old child,
going away like that.

I can see him now on that coach.

I’ll never forget that.

I don’t know, I never thought
we’d wind up like we are,

a really broken family.

For me, it was like,

"My God, where am
I gonna land, you know?"

"What’s going to happen to me?"

"Am I gonna be left alone
after this, you know?"

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