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-Person 1: Do you need bottles?
-Person 2: I have bottles.
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(indistinct chatter)
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Person 1:
Does anyone need--
You need bottles?
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Do you have?
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Nan Goldin:
What time? 4:15?
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Person 3:
The timekeepers are
going to give the signal.
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Nan: Okay.
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Okay. Everyone has bottles?
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-You okay?
-Person 4: You ready to go in?
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Let's go.
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(indistinct chatter)
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Nan:
There's a guard walking around
looking puzzled.
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I think he's trying to count
the number of people.
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I'm really nervous, man.
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-Let's start.
-Yes, let's do it, go.
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Nan:
Mic check.
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Group:
Mic check!
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-Nan: Mic check.
-Group: Mic check!
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A hundred thousand dead.
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Group:
A hundred thousand dead!
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-A hundred thousand dead!
-Group: A hundred thousand dead!
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Don't do anything. You can't do
anything as far as--
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Nan:
Temple of death.
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Group:
Temple of death!
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Temple of money.
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Group:
Temple of money!
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Nan:
Temple of greed.
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Group:
Temple of greed!
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Nan:
Temple of Oxy.
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Group:
Temple of Oxy!
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Nan:
Sacklers lie.
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Group:
Sacklers lie!
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Nan:
Thousands die.
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Group:
Thousands die!
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Nan:
The Sacklers knew...
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Group:
The Sacklers knew...
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...their pills would kill.
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Group:
...their pills would kill!
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Person 1:
They built this wing!
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Person 2:
They killed this space!
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Take this outside.
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(indistinct chatter)
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(cheering and applause)
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Sacklers lie!
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Group:
People die!
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Sacklers lie!
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Group:
People die!
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-Protester: Sacklers lie!
-Group: People die!
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-Protester:
Sacklers lie!
-Group: People die!
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-Protester: Sacklers lie!
-Group: People die!
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Protester:
Sacklers lie and people die!
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("The Cold Song"
by Klaus Nomi playing)
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ What power art thou? ♪
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♪ Who from below... ♪
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Nan:
It's easy to make
your life into stories.
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But it's harder to...
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sustain real memories.
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Laura Poitras:
What do you mean?
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Nan:
Well, the difference
between the story
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and the real memory.
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The real experience
has a smell and is dirty
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and is not wrapped up in...
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simple endings.
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The real memories
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are what affects me now.
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Things can appear that
you didn't want to see,
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where you're not safe.
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And even if you don't actually
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unleash the memories,
the effect is there.
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It's in your body.
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(wind howling)
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Person: Alright.
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(opera aria "Norma: Casta Diva"
playing)
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♪ ♪
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(song fades out)
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Nan:
It was a claustrophobic suburb.
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" Don't let
the neighbors know."
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My mother used to say that
all the time.
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It wasn't just an attitude.
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Actually,
the neighbors did know,
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we found out years later,
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'cause there was
so much screaming
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in the house.
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Laura:
Tell me about your sister.
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(projector clicking)
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Nan:
My mother insisted
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that Barbara speak
in full sentences
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at the age of one.
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And so she stopped talking
for at least a year and a half.
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Yeah, that was the first act
of rebellion by my sister.
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She would just wash my hair
or hold me
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or these kind of things
that you need
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when you're a kid.
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And she knew
how to do that,
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even though
she hadn't been mothered
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in that way.
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She made me aware
at a very young age
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about the banality and
deadening grip of suburbia.
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She had a wildness to her.
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She played
the piano constantly.
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Chopin,
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Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky...
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And you could tell
how she was feeling
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by how she was playing.
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The parakeets would sit
on her shoulders
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while she played.
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She trusted me
with all her secrets.
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She went on Saturday nights
to the movies
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to make out with boys.
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That was when
she stood up for herself
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and yelled back.
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And she talked to me
about feelings
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for other girls.
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It was a period
of sexual repression.
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And she was made
to fear her sexuality.
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And a lot of it
was her need to be held.
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She had a saying:
"Lean cat, savage cat."
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I felt very close to her.
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But she was in and out
of institutions
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for most of my childhood.
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Once they started
sending her away,
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they kept sending her away.
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My parents took away
her credibility and...
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silenced her by calling her
"mentally ill."
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The police came
into the house.
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My father started wailing
on the front lawn.
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Wailing.
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They were talking
to my mother, saying that
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"We found your daughter,
and she committed suicide."
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And I heard my mother say,
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"Tell the children
it was an accident."
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My interpretation
from that minute was...
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denial.
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She didn't want us
to know the truth.
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That's when it clicked.
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(indistinct chatter)
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Nan:
Okay, let's try it
towards the left.
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-Yeah.
-Or, like, in the middle?
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I don't know.
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Can you move over
to the right?
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Keep going. Okay.
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I can't really see
because your body--
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Thank you.
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Wow.
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Do you like it?
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Okay, I just want to see
one more thing.
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Can you switch these two?
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Okay. And one more idea.
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A couple more ideas.
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I could do this all night.
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(chuckles) Watch out.
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Yeah.
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I was thinking about this
last night that...
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people talk about all kinds
of relationships
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with their partner,
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their children,
their parents and...
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the relationships
that have mattered most to me,
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probably my whole life,
are my friends.
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I, I only escaped
because of my friends.
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Right.
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Yeah, that's better.
That's perfect.
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(pensive music playing)
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Nan:
"I survived the opioid crisis.
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"I narrowly escaped.
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"My relationship
to OxyContin
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"began several years ago
in Berlin.
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"It was originally
prescribed for surgery.
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"Though I took it as directed,
I got addicted overnight.
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"In the beginning,
40 milligrams was too strong.
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"But as my habit grew,
there was never enough.
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"I went from three pills a day,
as prescribed, to 18.
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"The drug, like all drugs,
lost its effect.
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"So I picked up the straw.
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"My life revolved entirely
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"around getting
and using Oxy.
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"Counting and recounting,
crushing and snorting
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"was my full-time job.
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"When I got out of treatment,
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"I learned that
the Sackler family,
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"whose name I knew
from museums and galleries,
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"were responsible
for the epidemic.
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"The Sackler family
and their private company,
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"Purdue Pharma,
advertised and distributed
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"their medication
knowing all the dangers.
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"I've started
a group, P.A.I.N.,
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"to hold them accountable.
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"To get their ear, we will
target their philanthropy.
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"They have washed their
blood money through the halls
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of museums and universities
around the world."
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David Velasco:
I had no idea that it was going
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to actually have
the traction that it did.
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It's definitely among the,
if not the most,
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uh, proud moments
of my tenure
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as editor of the magazine.
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She knew how to use her power.
These are--
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You know, she's a figure
that these museums
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also wanted to work with,
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they want
in their collections.
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She's a-- um, a major name
in the art world.
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When she published
the portfolio that--
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it was the fact that she was
doing it that mattered.
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You know, I knew this would
put her on the line
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in a real serious way and, um,
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I was concerned for her safety.
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Um, I was concerned for, um,
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you know,
whether she would be
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drummed out of the art world,
you know.
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I mean, I think that, uh,
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she was taking on
a very powerful family,
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one of
the most powerful families.
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Nan:
I mean, if anyone belongs
in jail, it's these people.
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-Yes.
- Yeah, of course.
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And as long
as there's a jail,
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they should be in it...
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(laughter)
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...until the whole
prison system is dismantled.
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They should be
the last to leave.
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Group Member:
Yeah. (laughing)
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-Last one, lights out.
-Last one. Yeah. (laughing)
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After I met Nan
and we connected
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on, like, levels of...
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you know, having, uh,
experience with addiction
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and stuff like that,
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she said,
"Why don't you come
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to one of
our P.A.I.N. meetings?"
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Most members
of P.A.I.N. have
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a direct experience
with addiction
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or loss of a loved one.
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We have members
who lost their children,
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um, to overdose,
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that have family members
who are struggling,
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or that they themselves
have struggled.
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- You're right.
-Yeah, but death is
the bottom line of this,
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and that should be reminded.
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We should do a die-in
of some sort.
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Group Member:
Do we want to marshal numbers?
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-But each of us will
be then responsible, like the--
-Trusted friends.
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Marina Berio:
The focus on the family?
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I would say there--
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there was a little bit
of fear in the group
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about, like, going
straight for them,
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although we felt
that we should.
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Yeah, this is
the decisive one.
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Noemi Bonazzi:
Nan actually said,
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"Do you think
my career will implode?"
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And I said, "Probably."
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And I said,
"Yes, that's very--
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"these are very scary,
powerful people.
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But then again,
what else can you do?"
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And, and she said,
"I think we should
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take these people down."
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And I said,
"Well, I'm, I'm with you."
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And then we started meeting
and we would sit in Nan's house
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and dream up of, of,
of things we wanted to do.
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Group Member:
He's really sweet.
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Nan:
He's sweet on Alex, man.
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Go on.
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Patrick Radden Keefe:
Let's see where
it all starts here.
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I mean, there's literally
so many of these
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that it's hard for me to find.
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Yes, this is September 2019.
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I get this legal hold notice.
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"Dear Mr. Keefe, I write
on behalf of my clients,
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"members of
the Raymond Sackler family.
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"You are hereby directed
to preserve
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"and not to destroy,
conceal, or alter
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"any and all documents
and communications
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"in your possession
that relate in any way
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"to any members
of the Sackler family,
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"the article, Purdue Pharma,
and/or OxyContin..."
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And on and on and on.
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One of the things
that's so strange
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about the Sackler family
is that
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we talk about them
in monolithic terms,
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but really
it's three families and...
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they spring from these
three original brothers,
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Arthur, Mortimer, and Raymond.
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Narrator:
His name is Arthur Sackler.
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For 40 years,
he has brought energy,
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goodwill,
and intelligence to art.
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He owns thousands of works,
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presently displayed not only
at the Metropolitan Museum,
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but in university collections
as well.
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(applause)
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Knowing that
the goal of peace
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is engraved
in your hearts,
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Mrs. Sackler and I present
to you this verse...
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Patrick:
Arthur dies before
the introduction of OxyContin.
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And yet so much
of what's happened
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is, in part, a function
of Arthur's legacy.
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His contemporaries knew him
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as this kind of
great art collector
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and this philanthropist.
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And the dirty secret was that
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he had come to this position
of prominence and great wealth
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through the marketing
of this drug,
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which also happened
to be quite addictive.
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He creates
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a whole means
of selling Valium
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in which
you're targeting doctors.
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He devised
a compensation scheme
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in which he would get paid
a series of escalating bonuses
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based on how much Valium
they sold.
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Well, Valium becomes
the best-selling drug
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in the history of
the pharmaceutical industry.
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Narrator:
From his personal collection,
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Sackler gave the Smithsonian
carte blanche
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to select a thousand pieces,
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the best from
a lifetime of collecting.
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Patrick:
The whole Sackler enterprise
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has been about marketing,
the marketing of OxyContin,
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but also the marketing
of the family name.
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There's the family
of the art world
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and the museum world
and philanthropy.
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And then there's
the kind of grubby,
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unpleasant story of...
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big pharma marketing
and addiction and death.
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Don't be afraid
to take what they give you.
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Often, it will be
an opioid medication.
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Some patients may be afraid
of taking opioids
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because they're perceived
as too strong, or addictive.
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But that is far
from actual fact.
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Patrick:
The Sacklers owned Purdue,
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this company that set out
very deliberately
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to change the way in which
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these strong opioids
were prescribed
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and to do so by claiming
that they weren't addictive.
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A week or two
after my article came out,
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I get this email,
this kind of cryptic email
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from the studio
of Nan Goldin that said,
333
00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:58,066
"The photographer Nan Goldin
would like to meet with you."
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And I was a little mystified,
didn't know what it was about.
335
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,500
But we, we set up a meeting.
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00:20:02,566 --> 00:20:04,466
She had this kind of
"Roll up your sleeves.
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00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:06,500
"We gotta do something!
We gotta organize!
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00:20:06,566 --> 00:20:08,133
We gotta get out there!"
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And I, I probably was--
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00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,166
I mean, I blush to think,
but I probably was sort of
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00:20:15,233 --> 00:20:17,633
gently patronizing and said,
"Well, good for you,"
342
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,600
you know, "Glad to hear it.
You keep me posted on that."
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00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:33,466
Nan:
I love working
in a material I know.
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-Blue Valium bottles.
-(laughter)
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Nan:
My anger at the Sackler family,
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00:20:40,566 --> 00:20:42,000
it's personal.
347
00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:43,700
I, I hate these people.
348
00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:48,566
But it's not about
my own addiction.
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I mean, when you think of
the profit off people's pain,
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you can only be furious
about it.
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Protester:
Sacklers lie, people die.
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Fund harm reduction now!
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00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:02,500
Group:
Sacklers lie, people die.
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00:21:02,566 --> 00:21:04,433
Fund harm reduction now!
355
00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,400
Sacklers lie, people die!
356
00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:08,266
Fund harm reduction now!
357
00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,333
Group:
Sacklers lie, people die.
358
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Fund harm reduction now.
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00:21:17,466 --> 00:21:21,333
Noemi:
We consciously talked
about Act Up
360
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,166
and what Act Up had done.
361
00:21:23,233 --> 00:21:25,200
And how we wanted,
362
00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:30,466
uh, for these actions
to make an impact.
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This idea of a bottle was
the first object we created.
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Nan:
All the museums, institutions
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need to stop taking money
366
00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:45,400
from these corrupt,
evil bastards.
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00:21:45,466 --> 00:21:48,300
(cheering and applause)
368
00:21:51,366 --> 00:21:52,466
(projector clicking)
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00:22:00,033 --> 00:22:01,666
Nan:
I got thrown out
of every school
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00:22:01,733 --> 00:22:04,033
and every house that I lived.
371
00:22:06,233 --> 00:22:08,733
I got thrown out
of my parents' home.
372
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,266
I got thrown out
of my foster family.
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00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:14,533
I got thrown out of
the communal foster family.
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00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,100
-Laura: Seriously?
-Nan: Yeah.
375
00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:18,266
There's not one
I can think of that--
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00:22:21,533 --> 00:22:23,400
Yeah, I made an art of it.
377
00:22:25,066 --> 00:22:30,100
Laura:
Okay, but why were you
with foster parents?
378
00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:32,333
Nan:
A psychiatrist told my father
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00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,300
that if I stayed in the house,
380
00:22:35,366 --> 00:22:38,700
the same thing would happen
as what happened with Barbara.
381
00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:42,233
So my parents sent me
to a foster agency.
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00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:47,333
It was the Jewish
adoption agency
383
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,633
on Beacon Hill.
384
00:22:50,233 --> 00:22:51,566
Yeah.
385
00:22:51,633 --> 00:22:53,466
I must have been 14.
386
00:22:55,233 --> 00:22:58,100
The woman of the house
straightened my hair.
387
00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:01,000
She wanted me to be
a WASP basically.
388
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,366
I remember when
I first went there,
389
00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:10,033
I projectile vomited
all over my room.
390
00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:12,533
I must have been terrified.
391
00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:17,700
I didn't remember that
till now.
392
00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:25,333
I landed in a hippie
free school
393
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,733
that couldn't throw me out.
394
00:23:30,133 --> 00:23:32,166
Satya School saved my life.
395
00:23:36,233 --> 00:23:40,000
I was shy
beyond social phobia,
396
00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:42,700
like crippling shyness.
397
00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:48,266
There were, like, six months
that I didn't speak at all.
398
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,333
I think my sister's suicide
had silenced me.
399
00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,366
Until I met David.
400
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:03,366
He said I was still
speaking in a whisper.
401
00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:09,733
I was 15. He was 14.
402
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,500
("All Tomorrow's Parties" by
The Velvet Underground playing)
403
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,566
He was a vision to me.
404
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,700
♪ ♪
405
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,133
(song stops, projector clicks)
406
00:24:30,566 --> 00:24:33,500
We met each other,
both stealing steaks.
407
00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:37,400
We were shoplifting.
408
00:24:37,466 --> 00:24:41,466
Both of us converged
in the steak department.
409
00:24:41,533 --> 00:24:43,533
-Laura: Are you serious?
-Nan: Yeah.
410
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Oh, I, I was
a great shoplifter
411
00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:48,200
pretty much all my life.
412
00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:50,133
I'm not sure how good
I am anymore,
413
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,766
but that's how
we became friends.
414
00:24:56,366 --> 00:24:58,500
David was a great wit.
415
00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:02,600
Very ironic, very precise.
416
00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:06,566
And that was
the coin of the realm.
417
00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:10,233
He taught me to use humor
as a survival mechanism.
418
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:17,000
He had this elegance,
and he was very androgynous,
419
00:25:17,066 --> 00:25:19,500
which was something
I was really attracted to.
420
00:25:24,033 --> 00:25:27,533
And one night, we hitchhiked
to my brother's dorm,
421
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,500
'cause I was between homes,
422
00:25:29,566 --> 00:25:33,166
and he laid down on the bed
and I laid down next to him.
423
00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:36,300
And he got up
and laid down on the floor.
424
00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:40,366
And I said, "Are you gay?"
425
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,533
And a light came on for him.
426
00:25:48,366 --> 00:25:49,733
He always said that it was
427
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
the first time
somebody recognized him.
428
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,100
Then he named me Nan.
429
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:01,566
So I brought him out,
and he named me Nan.
430
00:26:04,433 --> 00:26:06,233
So we liberated each other.
431
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,466
David was the eye of my storm.
432
00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:20,266
David and Tommy in a sandpit.
433
00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:23,000
That's one of
my first photographs.
434
00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:34,766
We all got cameras
from Polaroid.
435
00:26:35,033 --> 00:26:38,366
I attached to it more than
anybody else at the school.
436
00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:44,533
It was the only language
I spoke at the time.
437
00:26:46,766 --> 00:26:50,100
Suddenly I had,
you know, a personality.
438
00:26:50,166 --> 00:26:51,666
And it gave me a voice.
439
00:26:56,533 --> 00:26:59,566
Photography was always
a way to walk through fear.
440
00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:03,266
Taking a picture
is kind of protective.
441
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,066
It gave me
a reason to be there.
442
00:27:18,633 --> 00:27:21,500
("Cheree" by Suicide playing)
443
00:27:24,433 --> 00:27:26,633
♪ ♪
444
00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:36,533
David was living with
this most beautiful queen
445
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,000
in Cambridge .
446
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,566
Very quickly,
I moved in with them.
447
00:27:42,633 --> 00:27:45,033
♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪
448
00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:50,266
♪ Oh, baby... ♪
449
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:54,433
Nan:
We went to Goodwill
pretty much every day.
450
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,333
All the rich women were giving
their clothes to Goodwill,
451
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,566
and they were
exquisite clothes.
452
00:28:00,633 --> 00:28:02,566
♪ I love you ♪
453
00:28:02,633 --> 00:28:05,033
Nan:
Like Fortuny gowns.
454
00:28:06,766 --> 00:28:08,700
♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪
455
00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:15,466
Nan:
And we went to
The Other Side every night.
456
00:28:15,533 --> 00:28:18,166
Right away,
I felt at home there.
457
00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:21,433
♪ Oh, I love you ♪
458
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,200
Nan:
I remember being really excited
to take pictures at that time.
459
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,733
(song fades out)
460
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,266
It was like a flash
of euphoria.
461
00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:35,366
I know when,
you know, a picture works.
462
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,200
I get a rush.
463
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,366
I would have the film developed
in a pharmacy,
464
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:48,466
and each of them would make
465
00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:50,400
a pile of the pictures
of themselves
466
00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:54,000
and compete to see
who had the biggest pile.
467
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:56,066
If they didn't like
one of the pictures,
468
00:28:56,133 --> 00:28:59,233
they tore them up,
and that was okay with me.
469
00:29:01,266 --> 00:29:04,200
I've always wanted
the people in the pictures
470
00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:06,233
to be proud
of being in the work.
471
00:29:09,566 --> 00:29:13,533
People have said,
"Oh, I didn't know
I was that beautiful."
472
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Which is, you know,
what I want them to feel.
473
00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:23,733
My roommates,
474
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,133
they were running away
from America,
475
00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:30,733
and they found each other.
476
00:29:34,466 --> 00:29:36,366
They didn't think,
"We're pioneers."
477
00:29:36,433 --> 00:29:38,066
You know, "We're rebels."
478
00:29:38,133 --> 00:29:39,366
They just were.
479
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,766
It was about living out
what they needed to live out
480
00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:47,300
in spite of the reaction
from the outside world.
481
00:29:48,566 --> 00:29:50,733
("What Makes a Man"
by Charles Aznavour playing)
482
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,233
♪ There's always those
to spoil our games ♪
483
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,033
♪ By finding fault
and calling names ♪
484
00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,300
♪ Always accusing ♪
485
00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:03,033
♪ We love each other
but it seems ♪
486
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,700
♪ The love lives only
in my dreams ♪
487
00:30:06,766 --> 00:30:10,666
♪ It's so one-sided ♪
488
00:30:10,733 --> 00:30:13,300
♪ But in this life
I must confess ♪
489
00:30:13,366 --> 00:30:16,633
♪ The search for love
and happiness ♪
490
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:21,000
♪ Is unrequited ♪
491
00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:23,666
♪ I ask myself
what have I got ♪
492
00:30:23,733 --> 00:30:27,266
♪ And what I am
and what I'm not ♪
493
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:31,400
♪ What am I giving? ♪
494
00:30:31,466 --> 00:30:34,133
♪ Then answers come
from those who make ♪
495
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,733
♪ The rules that some
of us must break ♪
496
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,166
♪ Just to keep living ♪
497
00:30:42,233 --> 00:30:44,700
♪ I know my life
is not a crime ♪
498
00:30:44,766 --> 00:30:48,466
♪ I'm just a victim
of my time ♪
499
00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:52,666
♪ I stand defenseless ♪
500
00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:55,066
♪ Nobody has
the right to be ♪
501
00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:58,033
♪ The judge of what
is right for me ♪
502
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,366
♪ Tell me if you can ♪
503
00:30:59,433 --> 00:31:01,766
♪ What makes a man ♪
504
00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:06,333
♪ A man? ♪
505
00:31:08,233 --> 00:31:09,700
Nan:
While I was living
with the queens,
506
00:31:09,766 --> 00:31:11,500
I started going to art school
507
00:31:11,566 --> 00:31:12,766
for photography.
508
00:31:14,433 --> 00:31:17,233
Said I wanted the queens
to be on the cover of "Vogue."
509
00:31:18,633 --> 00:31:21,200
But in those days,
that was so far.
510
00:31:29,033 --> 00:31:31,700
It was a time that was
really scary for them.
511
00:31:33,633 --> 00:31:36,633
You could get arrested walking
down the street in Boston.
512
00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:40,600
My roommates
stayed home basically,
513
00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:42,266
and they went out at night.
514
00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:45,000
And...
515
00:31:45,066 --> 00:31:47,600
survival was an art.
516
00:31:56,466 --> 00:32:00,466
David and I started going
to Provincetown in '75.
517
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,433
It was the gay mecca.
518
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,133
I worked in a Portuguese
hot dog stand.
519
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,300
And then later,
I got a job as a bartender
520
00:32:12,366 --> 00:32:15,100
at The Pied Piper,
the lesbian bar.
521
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:21,066
I was living in this
separatist lesbian community.
522
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,333
You know, it was sort of like
523
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,533
flannel shirts and tea.
524
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,400
You know, and I'd come from
taffeta gowns and Quaaludes.
525
00:32:32,466 --> 00:32:35,100
And so, you know,
I was kind of the oddball
526
00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:38,066
'cause I would wear pearls
and lipstick to the beach.
527
00:32:41,566 --> 00:32:44,666
I fell in love
with this beautiful woman.
528
00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:47,433
We were lovers, briefly.
529
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,400
She had lots of other lovers.
530
00:32:52,766 --> 00:32:54,333
I was obsessed with her.
531
00:32:56,566 --> 00:32:58,733
So I photographed her
constantly.
532
00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:04,733
I have often used photography
as a sublimation for sex.
533
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,633
It's generally better
than sex.
534
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,300
(chuckles)
535
00:33:11,233 --> 00:33:13,100
I had a button machine.
536
00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:15,600
You know, you take a picture
and put it on a button.
537
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:17,733
-Laura: You had
a button machine?
-Nan: Yeah.
538
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,233
That was my way
of making a living.
539
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,100
Walking up and down
Commercial Street
540
00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:26,233
in my high heels
with my button machine,
541
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,366
and Cookie and Sharon
and Divine
542
00:33:29,433 --> 00:33:33,266
and John Waters came by
and had buttons made.
543
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,433
I knew Cookie
from John Waters' films,
544
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,766
and I already idolized her.
545
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,366
♪ I got lots of problems ♪
546
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:51,466
♪ Female Trouble ♪
547
00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:57,266
♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪
548
00:33:57,333 --> 00:33:59,700
I'd like to set fire
to this dump.
549
00:33:59,766 --> 00:34:02,600
Just 'cause we're pretty,
everybody's jealous.
550
00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:04,066
It's like a prison here.
551
00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:06,566
Even at Christmas,
it's like a prison.
552
00:34:06,633 --> 00:34:09,666
("Sunday Morning" by Nico and
The Velvet Underground playing)
553
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,633
♪ Sunday morning ♪
554
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:20,766
♪ Brings the dawning ♪
555
00:34:21,033 --> 00:34:22,633
Nan:
I mean, Cookie was
all about finding
556
00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,433
what was funny in life.
557
00:34:25,766 --> 00:34:28,700
♪ ...by my side ♪
558
00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:32,266
Nan:
Cookie and Sharon were
together for many years.
559
00:34:35,766 --> 00:34:38,566
Sharon was working
at a pizza place,
560
00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:40,700
and Cookie came by one night
561
00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:43,500
with her bicycle
and her son, Max.
562
00:34:43,566 --> 00:34:46,600
And he had long hair
with gum
563
00:34:46,666 --> 00:34:49,633
and Popsicle sticks
and leaves in it.
564
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:52,066
♪ ...the world's
behind you ♪
565
00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:55,400
Nan:
And Cookie had on these
little Springolator pumps,
566
00:34:55,466 --> 00:34:57,533
but they were held together
567
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,300
with safety pins.
568
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,333
And Sharon thought,
569
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,500
"I'm gonna take care
of these people."
570
00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:10,533
♪ Sunday morning ♪
571
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,766
Nan:
And then Cookie said to her,
572
00:35:13,033 --> 00:35:14,433
"I believe in timing."
573
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:18,433
♪ I've got a feeling ♪
574
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,266
Nan:
Cookie took Sharon
home with her
575
00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:24,400
through a swamp
with big pussy willows.
576
00:35:26,566 --> 00:35:29,666
And that was the beginning
of Cookie and Sharon.
577
00:35:29,733 --> 00:35:31,700
♪ Sunday morning... ♪
578
00:35:33,233 --> 00:35:36,766
Nan:
It was a time of freedom
and possibility.
579
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,500
That's when I did
my first slideshows.
580
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,166
You ready?
581
00:35:49,233 --> 00:35:51,200
Does everyone have
their chant?
582
00:35:53,033 --> 00:35:54,700
"That's bullshit, get off it.
583
00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:56,700
They made addicts
just for profit."
584
00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:58,533
-Ooh!
-We were re--
585
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,500
We were flying last night!
586
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,200
(indistinct chatter)
587
00:36:04,266 --> 00:36:06,333
Megan Kapler:
We were ready to do
another New York action,
588
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,000
and the Met
and the Guggenheim
to us are like
589
00:36:10,066 --> 00:36:12,200
two of the most
important museums.
590
00:36:12,266 --> 00:36:14,066
And we knew that
the Guggenheim had
591
00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:17,633
the Sackler Education Center.
592
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,333
So they were like
a big target for us.
593
00:36:22,666 --> 00:36:25,733
An important part
of the museums we choose is
594
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Nan is typically
in the permanent collection.
595
00:36:29,266 --> 00:36:31,333
It's much stronger
when the message
596
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,300
is coming from
inside the house.
597
00:36:33,366 --> 00:36:35,266
-Person 1: I'm not worried.
-What if they recognize me?
598
00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:36,500
-Somebody?
-Person 2: They're not.
599
00:36:36,566 --> 00:36:38,300
Nan:
By the time we did
the Guggenheim,
600
00:36:38,366 --> 00:36:40,300
our name was out there.
601
00:36:40,366 --> 00:36:43,366
Other museums were alerted
that we might be coming.
602
00:36:43,433 --> 00:36:45,166
It's just,
I'm supposed to wear it
603
00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,033
so that no one knows
who I am.
604
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,266
(laughter)
605
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,000
Person 1:
That's not drawing
attention to yourself.
606
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:52,600
Person 2:
Very-- very subtle disguise.
607
00:36:52,666 --> 00:36:54,000
Uh, I don't know.
608
00:36:54,066 --> 00:36:55,766
It calls a little attention,
doesn't it?
609
00:36:56,033 --> 00:36:58,366
-It's kind of horrible.
-Person 3: Thank you.
610
00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,700
Megan:
The attorney general
in Massachusetts
611
00:37:00,766 --> 00:37:04,300
had just released
internal emails
612
00:37:04,366 --> 00:37:07,733
and documents of
the Sacklers which were vast,
613
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,366
and had really damning quotes.
614
00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:14,366
One of them was the quote
from Richard Sackler
615
00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:16,300
saying that
616
00:37:16,366 --> 00:37:19,066
upon the launch
of OxyContin in 1996,
617
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,633
that OxyContin
would cover the country
618
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,600
in a "blizzard
of prescriptions."
619
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:26,700
I, I just was like,
620
00:37:26,766 --> 00:37:29,700
"What if we made a bunch
of prescriptions
621
00:37:29,766 --> 00:37:32,000
and throw that back
in their faces?"
622
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,666
Megan:
We're trying
to align the banners
623
00:37:38,733 --> 00:37:41,000
with the fountain right
at the bottom of the spiral?
624
00:37:41,066 --> 00:37:42,300
-Harry Cullen: Yes.
-Megan: Okay.
625
00:37:42,366 --> 00:37:44,666
Okay, "Shame on Sacklers,"
right?
626
00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:46,100
Harry: Yeah.
627
00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:49,033
Nan:
The goal is to get
the names off the walls.
628
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,033
As long as
the names are there,
629
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,266
they still maintain their hold
on their reputation.
630
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,166
They're still whitewashing
their reputation.
631
00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,566
The museums are still
complicit in that.
632
00:38:04,566 --> 00:38:07,366
Harry:
The energy
was definitely right.
633
00:38:07,433 --> 00:38:10,133
The whole museum was already
buzzing when we went in.
634
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,466
Um, it was
a packed Saturday night.
635
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,733
-Megan: Nan, are you ready?
-No, where is everyone?
636
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:22,033
We had a Signal thread,
but it was really like,
637
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,033
"Go at this time.
638
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,166
"If you see
prescriptions falling,
639
00:38:25,233 --> 00:38:26,433
it's starting."
640
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,033
-Megan: Are we ready?
-Nan: Yeah.
641
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:34,233
(crowd cheering)
642
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,266
Megan:
I was at the bottom looking up,
643
00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:48,000
and I checked out for a minute
644
00:38:48,066 --> 00:38:50,233
because I was looking up
at the prescription slips
645
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,333
and just, like, in awe
of the visual that it created.
646
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,733
(crowd cheering, applauding)
647
00:38:58,133 --> 00:39:00,166
Yeah!
648
00:39:00,233 --> 00:39:02,333
Group:
Say it loud, say it clear,
649
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,666
Sackler name
not welcome here!
650
00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:09,733
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sackler name not welcome here!
651
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,500
Say it loud, say it clear,
OxyContin got them here!
652
00:39:15,566 --> 00:39:16,733
Say it loud...
653
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,566
Marina:
I was holding
one of the banners.
654
00:39:19,633 --> 00:39:21,533
We looked like we're hundreds
and hundreds
655
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,566
of activists, right?
656
00:39:22,633 --> 00:39:25,266
We were not hundreds
and hundreds.
657
00:39:25,333 --> 00:39:29,666
People are shouting with us.
They're agreeing with us.
658
00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:32,000
-Protester: No longer!
-Group: No longer!
659
00:39:32,066 --> 00:39:33,633
-Protester:
No longer!
-Group: No longer!
660
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,666
-Protester: No longer!
-Group: No longer!
661
00:39:35,733 --> 00:39:37,600
The Sackler family must go!
662
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,233
Group:
The Sackler family must go!
663
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,033
The Sackler family must pay!
664
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,200
Group:
The Sackler family must pay!
665
00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:47,066
Group: (chanting)
People die! Sacklers lie!
666
00:39:47,133 --> 00:39:49,333
Group:
People die! Sacklers lie!
667
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,066
Group:
People die!
668
00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,700
(chanting continues)
669
00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:06,700
Group: (chanting)
Say it loud, say it clear,
670
00:40:06,766 --> 00:40:09,200
Sacklers are not welcome here!
671
00:40:09,266 --> 00:40:11,566
Say it loud, say it clear,
672
00:40:11,633 --> 00:40:15,233
Sacklers are not welcome here!
673
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:19,666
We have journeyed from
the Guggenheim down to the Met
674
00:40:19,733 --> 00:40:22,000
to send a message,
675
00:40:22,066 --> 00:40:25,666
a message of life and death.
676
00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:29,000
My son was prescribed OxyContin
677
00:40:29,066 --> 00:40:31,500
for a knee surgery
in high school.
678
00:40:31,566 --> 00:40:33,566
The doctors told him,
"Take the pills
679
00:40:33,633 --> 00:40:36,333
every four hours."
680
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,366
"Take them before
the pain starts.
681
00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:40,566
Take them on schedule."
682
00:40:40,633 --> 00:40:42,466
When my son talked
of his pain,
683
00:40:42,533 --> 00:40:45,566
I said,
"Did you take your pill?"
684
00:40:45,633 --> 00:40:48,766
I became an accomplice
to my son's demise.
685
00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:51,100
-That ain't right.
-Alexis Pleus: That's not right.
686
00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:52,266
Group:
That ain't right!
That's not right!
687
00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:55,133
My son became addicted
to OxyContin.
688
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,600
It progressed to heroin.
689
00:40:56,666 --> 00:41:00,033
It took 11 years.
But it fuckin' killed him!
690
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,166
It killed him.
It took his life.
691
00:41:02,233 --> 00:41:04,466
He died alone in a bathroom.
692
00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:07,700
I don't expect the Sacklers
to care about my son Jeff.
693
00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,000
Nan:
We care!
694
00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:11,666
But 400,000 lives, right?
695
00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:14,033
Somebody should care
about that!
696
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,033
Person: Yes!
697
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,600
(group cheering, applauding)
698
00:41:23,733 --> 00:41:25,600
Laura:
And how did
the Guggenheim respond?
699
00:41:25,666 --> 00:41:27,100
Nan:
They didn't say anything.
700
00:41:28,466 --> 00:41:30,266
The museums were keeping quiet.
701
00:41:31,433 --> 00:41:33,000
The first year, it's like
702
00:41:33,066 --> 00:41:35,733
25 museums were supportive
of the Sacklers.
703
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,766
Either said nothing
or were supportive.
704
00:41:39,466 --> 00:41:41,566
They know the Sacklers
are a bad look...
705
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,133
for their PR.
706
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,100
Laura:
Right.
707
00:41:45,166 --> 00:41:46,433
Nan:
But they're terrified
708
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,033
of what will be
found out about them.
709
00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:54,200
The rich people are scared
that we're going to dig into
710
00:41:54,266 --> 00:41:56,666
the evil way they made money.
711
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:03,700
(projector clicking)
712
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:10,466
♪ Oh yeah, I had to lay
such a tender trap ♪
713
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:15,566
♪ Hoping you might
fall into it ♪
714
00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:20,066
♪ But love hit me
like a sudden slap ♪
715
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:23,700
♪ One kiss
and then I knew it ♪
716
00:42:23,766 --> 00:42:28,133
♪ What's this whole world
comin' to ♪
717
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,500
♪ Things just ain't the same ♪
718
00:42:32,566 --> 00:42:36,333
♪ Anytime the hunter ♪
719
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,033
♪ Gets captured
by the game ♪
720
00:42:42,433 --> 00:42:43,433
♪ Oh yeah ♪
721
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,366
Nan:
I moved to the Bowery in '78.
722
00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:50,000
This place that
should have become a museum.
723
00:42:51,766 --> 00:42:53,233
So many people lived there,
724
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,500
and it was one
of the big addresses
725
00:42:55,566 --> 00:42:58,133
in lower New York
at the time.
726
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:03,366
It was a shithole loft
because there was no light.
727
00:43:03,433 --> 00:43:06,500
It didn't have any walls
for a while.
728
00:43:06,566 --> 00:43:10,233
Kind of dysfunctional
but managed to function.
729
00:43:12,566 --> 00:43:14,500
We used to fuck
in the elevator.
730
00:43:14,566 --> 00:43:16,400
There was a lot of drugs.
731
00:43:16,466 --> 00:43:19,500
Always a lot of drugs,
a lot of coke, a lot of speed.
732
00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:22,300
The Bowery was the Ballad.
733
00:43:22,366 --> 00:43:25,266
The Bowery was
the golden headquarters.
734
00:43:26,666 --> 00:43:29,733
And that's where I was
situated in the universe,
735
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,166
was the Bowery.
736
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:35,166
♪ Oh yeah ♪
737
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,233
Nan:
When I got to New York,
738
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,166
this guy gave me
some names of galleries.
739
00:43:41,233 --> 00:43:43,233
In those days,
you went to galleries
740
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,733
with your portfolio.
741
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
So I called some galleries,
they weren't interested.
742
00:43:47,066 --> 00:43:50,100
And then I went up
to see Marvin.
743
00:43:50,166 --> 00:43:52,266
I walked in
and showed these photos,
744
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:55,000
like, that no one
had ever seen before.
745
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,366
Totally bad prints and torn.
746
00:43:57,433 --> 00:44:00,600
And immediately,
we understood each other.
747
00:44:02,366 --> 00:44:05,033
She showed up
one day with, uh,
748
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,166
a box of pictures,
749
00:44:06,233 --> 00:44:08,000
you know, showed up
in, like, this party dress,
750
00:44:08,066 --> 00:44:09,366
a polka dot party dress
751
00:44:09,433 --> 00:44:10,366
with a lot of crinolines,
752
00:44:10,433 --> 00:44:14,233
and kind of
weird makeup and, uh,
753
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:17,000
walked up the very fancy stairs
of this gallery
754
00:44:17,066 --> 00:44:19,066
and had this box
of pictures.
755
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:20,400
And I opened up
this box of pictures
756
00:44:20,466 --> 00:44:21,766
and about 20 of them in it,
757
00:44:22,033 --> 00:44:25,533
and, uh, I had never seen
pictures like that in my life.
758
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
These portraits
and pictures of people
759
00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:29,266
kind of living
their lives that really
760
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,666
were unlike anything
anybody else was doing.
761
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,166
Nan:
He asked me
to bring more stuff,
762
00:44:36,233 --> 00:44:38,766
and I brought up a crate.
763
00:44:39,033 --> 00:44:41,033
(laughs)
764
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,033
And I got the cab driver
765
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,700
to bring me up
by giving him a blowjob.
766
00:44:45,766 --> 00:44:48,366
So that's how
I entered the art world.
767
00:44:48,433 --> 00:44:50,633
(laughs)
768
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,133
This was 1979.
769
00:44:54,166 --> 00:44:55,233
Yeah.
770
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,700
("You Can't Be Funky"
by Bush Tetras playing)
771
00:44:57,766 --> 00:45:00,766
♪ ♪
772
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,066
Nan:
The first week we were there,
the Mudd Club opened.
773
00:45:09,433 --> 00:45:10,700
And I met Vivienne Dick.
774
00:45:10,766 --> 00:45:14,100
♪ ...my teeth
to take another bite... ♪
775
00:45:14,166 --> 00:45:16,466
Nan:
Vivienne was curious
about everything.
776
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:19,466
And a lot of stuff that
happened, she took me to.
777
00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:20,633
♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪
778
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,100
♪ Well, the walls
are so thick that... ♪
779
00:45:23,166 --> 00:45:25,566
Nan:
I mean, there were
different worlds in New York
780
00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:27,766
that I was moving between,
781
00:45:28,033 --> 00:45:30,266
and they didn't necessarily
like each other.
782
00:45:30,333 --> 00:45:32,600
♪ ...that I can't even walk ♪
783
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,066
Nan:
The world of Vivienne
784
00:45:36,133 --> 00:45:39,633
and this woman I lived with
named Suzanne...
785
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,166
♪ Your eyes are shallow
and your glance is cold ♪
786
00:45:43,233 --> 00:45:44,233
Nan:
And Greer...
787
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,066
♪ You can't be funky
if you... ♪
788
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:48,100
Nan:
She was making
her dolls all the time
789
00:45:48,166 --> 00:45:49,600
and working constantly.
790
00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:51,033
♪ You can't be funky ♪
791
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,733
♪ You can't
be funky ♪
792
00:45:53,033 --> 00:45:54,500
♪ You can't be funky ♪
793
00:45:54,566 --> 00:45:56,766
♪ If you haven't got a soul! ♪
794
00:45:58,633 --> 00:46:00,733
Nan:
And then there was
the world of Bruce...
795
00:46:04,466 --> 00:46:06,066
and David.
796
00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:07,533
♪ ...but always say hello ♪
797
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,166
♪ Well, I lock you up tighter
every place that you go ♪
798
00:46:11,233 --> 00:46:12,300
Nan:
And Cookie.
799
00:46:12,366 --> 00:46:15,566
(disco music playing)
800
00:46:15,633 --> 00:46:20,166
Nan:
She was the center
of New York downtown life.
801
00:46:20,233 --> 00:46:22,500
("Fire" by
Lizzy Mercier Descloux playing)
802
00:46:22,566 --> 00:46:23,666
♪ Fire ♪
803
00:46:25,266 --> 00:46:27,000
♪ I did it to burn ♪
804
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,733
♪ Fire ♪
805
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,366
Nan:
People used to say
we were marginalized.
806
00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:36,633
And we didn't care.
807
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,466
Normal people
were marginalized to us.
808
00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:43,400
♪ You fought hard
and you saved ♪
809
00:46:43,466 --> 00:46:45,233
♪ But it's all going to... ♪
810
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,466
Nan:
Cookie was in films,
she was in plays.
811
00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:52,166
And then she was writing
art criticism.
812
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:56,733
Cookie used to say,
813
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,733
"I don't know
why people think I'm wild.
814
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,300
"I'm not wild.
815
00:47:00,366 --> 00:47:02,366
"Wildness just appears
816
00:47:02,433 --> 00:47:05,166
on the road in front of me."
817
00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:08,266
You have to hear her voice,
and that tells you everything.
818
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:10,066
♪ I'll take you to learn ♪
819
00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,066
Nan:
This kind of irony and humor.
820
00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:14,366
♪ Gonna burn ♪
821
00:47:14,433 --> 00:47:15,533
"'You should really wait
for Charlie
822
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,600
"'to come back
from the store.
823
00:47:16,666 --> 00:47:18,166
"'He's the one to talk to.
824
00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:20,333
"He's right in there
buying oranges for us.'
825
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,333
"She pointed to
the Haight Street
Chinese fruit store.
826
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,733
"But I'd had enough
and thanked them
827
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,200
"and left looking
for more action.
828
00:47:26,266 --> 00:47:28,466
"These girls were Susan Atkins
and Squeaky Fromme
829
00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:29,700
"and Mary Brunner and others.
830
00:47:29,766 --> 00:47:32,100
"And I missed meeting
Charlie Manson
831
00:47:32,166 --> 00:47:33,733
by five minutes."
832
00:47:35,266 --> 00:47:37,533
Nan:
Cookie was working
as a go-go dancer.
833
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,133
I was dancing in New Jersey
834
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,133
because you didn't have
to take your top off
835
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200
in New Jersey.
836
00:47:45,266 --> 00:47:48,266
And New York was topless.
New Jersey wasn't.
837
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,700
("Boogie Oogie Oogie"
by A Taste of Honey playing)
838
00:47:51,766 --> 00:47:54,133
Nan:
So we'd take the bus
out to Paterson
839
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,133
and go to these low-life bars
and wiggle our asses
840
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,066
and then get on the bus
and come back to New York.
841
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,133
♪ If you're thinkin'
you're too cool ♪
842
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,533
Nan:
I was dancing to have money
to buy film.
843
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:17,100
♪ Boy oh boy
have I got news for you ♪
844
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,733
Nan:
Then I started
in the whorehouse.
845
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,133
Yeah, that got pretty ugly.
846
00:48:27,366 --> 00:48:29,666
I haven't kept many secrets
in my life.
847
00:48:31,633 --> 00:48:34,233
But I never did talk
about it before.
848
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,200
But I think at this point
in my life,
849
00:48:42,266 --> 00:48:43,666
I should talk about it
850
00:48:43,733 --> 00:48:45,500
because of
the incredible stigma
851
00:48:45,566 --> 00:48:47,000
around sex work.
852
00:48:52,733 --> 00:48:55,566
Vivienne got really interested
in the fact
853
00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:58,133
that I had worked
in a house.
854
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,333
And decided she wanted
to make a film about it.
855
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,166
It's a fiction film.
856
00:49:05,233 --> 00:49:08,066
I'm playing the madam
of the house where I worked...
857
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:10,366
who was a monster.
858
00:49:10,433 --> 00:49:13,500
Hi. How are you?
Have you been with us before?
859
00:49:13,566 --> 00:49:15,633
She would have us
on our backs all day,
860
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,033
and then she'd come home
from Bloomingdales,
861
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,000
showing off her lingerie.
862
00:49:20,066 --> 00:49:22,266
(inaudible dialogue)
863
00:49:22,333 --> 00:49:24,700
I mean, sex work
isn't negative in itself,
864
00:49:24,766 --> 00:49:26,300
but it's no party.
865
00:49:26,366 --> 00:49:28,466
It's one of the hardest jobs
you could have.
866
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:31,766
Newark. Ever been there?
867
00:49:37,566 --> 00:49:40,333
Nan:
And so that's how
Tin Pan Alley came.
868
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,666
Somebody said, uh,
"You should go meet Maggie."
869
00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:51,500
She was hiring women
who had been sex workers,
870
00:49:51,566 --> 00:49:54,400
and kind of helped people
get out of it.
871
00:49:54,466 --> 00:49:57,166
She was an incredible force.
872
00:49:57,233 --> 00:50:00,166
She was a community organizer.
873
00:50:00,233 --> 00:50:01,566
She was a great cook.
874
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:05,200
She was a radical.
875
00:50:06,266 --> 00:50:08,400
And she was a ballet dancer.
876
00:50:08,466 --> 00:50:12,133
So she hired me pretty quickly.
Like, immediately.
877
00:50:13,566 --> 00:50:16,500
Maggie Smith:
The bar was a safe space
for prostitutes
878
00:50:16,566 --> 00:50:18,566
and also a way
to work their way
879
00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:21,600
out of prostitution
if they wished to do so.
880
00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:25,400
And it was a center
for those on the left,
881
00:50:25,466 --> 00:50:26,700
the squatters movement,
882
00:50:26,766 --> 00:50:29,300
the anarchist movement,
the Black movement,
883
00:50:29,366 --> 00:50:30,700
people who were interested
in supporting
884
00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:33,233
political prisoners
from the Latin left.
885
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,633
And so it was really
a polyglot place.
886
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,300
It had hustlers,
887
00:50:38,366 --> 00:50:40,233
it had artists,
888
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:41,566
Reuters journalists.
889
00:50:41,633 --> 00:50:45,433
It had people from NBC
who were on strike.
890
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,500
And it had the IRS .
891
00:50:48,566 --> 00:50:51,600
When the IRS would come
in the afternoon to get drunk,
892
00:50:51,666 --> 00:50:55,333
they were as hard to handle
as the bikers.
893
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,400
But the bar was controlled
by women.
894
00:50:59,466 --> 00:51:02,066
It was very important to me
that we not have bouncers
895
00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:05,466
and not depend on male strength
for keeping the peace.
896
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,166
And so when people
behind the bar, including Nan,
897
00:51:09,233 --> 00:51:12,100
decided that it was time
for someone to go,
898
00:51:12,166 --> 00:51:14,166
that person would go.
899
00:51:14,233 --> 00:51:16,233
(Latin music playing
over speakers)
900
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:18,533
-It's on the house.
-Oh, thanks, Nan.
901
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,266
(indistinct chatter)
902
00:51:23,433 --> 00:51:25,733
(indistinct chatter)
903
00:51:27,566 --> 00:51:30,300
Darryl Pinckney:
Tin Pan was very integrated.
904
00:51:30,366 --> 00:51:35,100
The New Wave was not
a very integrated scene at all.
905
00:51:35,166 --> 00:51:37,600
And also it cut
across class lines,
906
00:51:37,666 --> 00:51:40,300
which New Wave
also didn't do.
907
00:51:40,366 --> 00:51:42,166
I spent a lot of time
at Tin Pan,
908
00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:43,633
but I can't say--
909
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,566
Talk about repetitive nights,
you know?
910
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:51,666
Nan:
When I first started,
I loved it there.
911
00:51:51,733 --> 00:51:53,300
The first two years...
912
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,266
I listened to people.
913
00:51:57,666 --> 00:51:59,333
Really listened.
914
00:52:00,566 --> 00:52:02,233
And they weren't used to that.
915
00:52:04,566 --> 00:52:07,200
I was sort of the dominatrix
of the bar,
916
00:52:07,266 --> 00:52:09,266
and I got tips
because people wanted
917
00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:12,366
to impress me,
win me back.
918
00:52:13,633 --> 00:52:17,166
And I would work till 4:00
in the morning
919
00:52:17,233 --> 00:52:19,466
and then we'd go
to The After Hours.
920
00:52:23,366 --> 00:52:25,500
(indistinct chatter)
921
00:52:25,566 --> 00:52:30,300
Maggie:
Tin Pan Alley became a major
kind of, uh, staging point
922
00:52:30,366 --> 00:52:33,566
as people were planning
for the Times Square show.
923
00:52:35,433 --> 00:52:37,566
It was multi-floor.
924
00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:40,300
It was collaborative.
925
00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:42,233
There was graffiti,
926
00:52:43,033 --> 00:52:44,400
sculpture,
927
00:52:44,466 --> 00:52:45,766
there were painters,
928
00:52:46,033 --> 00:52:47,666
lots of video work.
929
00:52:47,733 --> 00:52:49,033
There was music...
930
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,066
(funky jazz music playing)
931
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:52,233
(screams)
932
00:52:56,166 --> 00:53:00,700
(indistinct singing)
933
00:53:00,766 --> 00:53:05,166
Maggie:
The first floor is where
most of the performances were.
934
00:53:05,233 --> 00:53:07,633
So Nan invited everyone
in the bar.
935
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:11,300
So, yes, I was anxious
to see her work and...
936
00:53:11,366 --> 00:53:14,000
I, you know, was sitting
on the floor and
937
00:53:14,066 --> 00:53:17,566
this music starts
and the slides start.
938
00:53:17,633 --> 00:53:21,666
("I Put a Spell On You" by
Screamin' Jay Hawkins playing)
939
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,066
♪ I put a spell on you ♪
940
00:53:35,033 --> 00:53:37,566
♪ Because you're mine ♪
941
00:53:43,366 --> 00:53:46,100
♪ Stop the things you do ♪
942
00:53:50,033 --> 00:53:52,433
(laughs)
♪ Watch out! ♪
943
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,333
♪ I ain't lyin' ♪
944
00:53:58,366 --> 00:54:00,566
♪ Yeah! ♪
945
00:54:00,633 --> 00:54:02,600
♪ I can't stand ♪
946
00:54:02,666 --> 00:54:04,200
♪ Woo! ♪
947
00:54:04,266 --> 00:54:06,733
♪ No runnin' around ♪
948
00:54:08,266 --> 00:54:11,033
♪ I can't stand... ♪
949
00:54:12,433 --> 00:54:15,600
Maggie:
The work was
incredibly political.
950
00:54:15,666 --> 00:54:17,633
It was about power
951
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,100
and particularly
about the power
952
00:54:20,166 --> 00:54:21,400
that men have over women
953
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:25,366
and how that power
is translated up in a society.
954
00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:29,466
Darryl:
The very first time
I saw Nan's slideshow,
955
00:54:29,533 --> 00:54:31,633
it was extremely raucous.
956
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,433
What I remember mostly
is the noise,
957
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:37,666
not just of the music
or of the equipment,
958
00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,333
but of people talking
to the screen...
959
00:54:41,233 --> 00:54:44,000
uh, commenting.
960
00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:46,333
Nan:
At the beginning,
the audience would be made up
961
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,333
you know, exclusively
of the people in the show.
962
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,400
So they would scream at me
if they didn't like something,
963
00:54:52,466 --> 00:54:55,133
and, you know, scream
if they loved something.
964
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,266
So I edited according to that
to some extent.
965
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:02,700
And then I had those pictures
of my friend
966
00:55:02,766 --> 00:55:05,033
having sex
with her boyfriend,
967
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:08,133
and she demanded
I take them out at some point.
968
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,466
And so that's when I started
969
00:55:09,533 --> 00:55:11,700
photographing myself
having sex.
970
00:55:11,766 --> 00:55:14,233
I figured if I was showing
her having sex,
971
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:16,600
I had to show
myself having sex.
972
00:55:16,666 --> 00:55:20,700
("Double Shot
(Of My Baby's Love)" by
The Swingin' Medallions playing)
973
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:25,766
Nan:
I was doing it
at underground clubs,
974
00:55:26,033 --> 00:55:29,533
and my boyfriend at the time
was spinning records .
975
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,433
So that's when
the music started.
976
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,533
I would start with songs
that I knew
977
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,733
and then people would
send me music, literally.
978
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,166
But I changed them
every single time.
979
00:55:43,333 --> 00:55:46,466
It was fun,
it was really fun.
980
00:55:46,533 --> 00:55:48,466
People would be dancing.
981
00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,466
You know, it was fabulous.
982
00:55:50,533 --> 00:55:52,300
♪ Somebody let me know ♪
983
00:55:52,366 --> 00:55:53,366
♪ Well, everybody
in the place ♪
984
00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:54,600
♪ Put a whistle in your face ♪
985
00:55:54,666 --> 00:55:56,600
♪ Scream it out and say yo ♪
986
00:55:56,666 --> 00:55:57,733
♪ Hit it ♪
987
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,366
♪ You don't stop ♪
988
00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:02,433
Nan:
I was always late
for everything.
989
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:06,366
I didn't sleep. I mean,
I was up all night editing.
990
00:56:10,433 --> 00:56:12,433
Darryl:
You never saw
the same thing twice.
991
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:15,166
She changed the music,
she changed the slides,
992
00:56:15,233 --> 00:56:16,766
she changed the order of them.
993
00:56:17,033 --> 00:56:20,633
Sometimes her own
changed feelings
994
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:22,700
changed the meanings of them
995
00:56:22,766 --> 00:56:26,633
because her photographs
don't hold just one meaning.
996
00:56:27,566 --> 00:56:29,433
You know, a lot is going on
997
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,633
in, uh,
a Nan Goldin photograph.
998
00:56:37,033 --> 00:56:38,500
And I guess that's
what made people think
999
00:56:38,566 --> 00:56:41,066
it was so cinematic
because to most people,
1000
00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:42,566
they seem like characters,
1001
00:56:42,633 --> 00:56:44,466
whereas to the people
being photographed,
1002
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:46,500
they seem like themselves.
1003
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:51,066
She photographs from our side.
1004
00:56:54,466 --> 00:56:57,266
Nan:
The mid-'80s was when
I was closest to Cookie.
1005
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,266
She wasn't doing very well,
1006
00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:04,000
so this friend
of hers told her
1007
00:57:04,066 --> 00:57:06,266
to spin a globe
1008
00:57:06,333 --> 00:57:08,533
and wherever
she put her finger,
1009
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,133
to go there.
1010
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,166
So she went to Italy,
and she met Vittorio.
1011
00:57:17,466 --> 00:57:19,533
It was the greatest love
of her life.
1012
00:57:23,033 --> 00:57:24,566
It was a huge wedding .
1013
00:57:24,633 --> 00:57:27,133
Everyone in lower New York
was there.
1014
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,166
Rene Ricard,
1015
00:57:30,233 --> 00:57:31,666
Greer,
1016
00:57:31,733 --> 00:57:33,466
David Armstrong,
1017
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,533
Francesco Clemente,
1018
00:57:37,266 --> 00:57:38,500
Teri Toye.
1019
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,166
Peter Hujar was there.
1020
00:57:42,233 --> 00:57:45,566
And we were standing next
to each other taking pictures.
1021
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,100
It was a beautiful wedding...
1022
00:57:52,466 --> 00:57:53,766
and a wild party.
1023
00:57:55,666 --> 00:57:56,733
Yeah.
1024
00:57:58,633 --> 00:58:00,466
♪ Now there's a man ♪
1025
00:58:00,533 --> 00:58:03,033
♪ The living tool of Satan ♪
1026
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:06,600
♪ He charges forth
while others are debating ♪
1027
00:58:06,666 --> 00:58:10,666
♪ Conniving, cocky knave
with all the trimmings ♪
1028
00:58:10,733 --> 00:58:14,700
♪ I know one thing
can trim him down ♪
1029
00:58:14,766 --> 00:58:16,400
♪ Women ♪
1030
00:58:16,466 --> 00:58:21,066
♪ In women, he meets
deep authority ♪
1031
00:58:21,133 --> 00:58:25,366
♪ In them,
he feels his old ♪
1032
00:58:25,433 --> 00:58:29,566
♪ Dependency ♪
1033
00:58:31,266 --> 00:58:34,166
Nan:
Once I started
sharing the work,
1034
00:58:34,233 --> 00:58:35,766
I got a lot of shit.
1035
00:58:37,666 --> 00:58:39,533
"There's no such thing
as a good woman artist,"
1036
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,533
was said to me
in, like, the mid '80s.
1037
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,366
Uh, it was really
heavy resistance
1038
00:58:47,433 --> 00:58:51,566
especially from male artists
and gallerists who said,
1039
00:58:51,633 --> 00:58:54,500
"This isn't photography."
1040
00:58:54,566 --> 00:58:56,666
"Nobody photographs
their own life."
1041
00:58:57,633 --> 00:58:59,100
It was still
1042
00:58:59,166 --> 00:59:02,433
a kind of outlier act.
1043
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:06,100
It was basically a time
of black and white,
1044
00:59:06,166 --> 00:59:07,766
vertical photographs.
1045
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,700
So it's hard to understand
1046
00:59:11,766 --> 00:59:14,233
that that could have
ever been radical.
1047
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:21,033
I thought the art world
was bullshit
1048
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,466
and that Times Square
was real life.
1049
00:59:25,033 --> 00:59:26,400
That's where I met Brian.
1050
00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:31,400
Our first date,
1051
00:59:31,466 --> 00:59:33,633
we went to see The Clash
1052
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,733
right around the corner
from the bar.
1053
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,233
And then we went up
to Harlem and copped.
1054
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,766
And then he just stayed.
1055
00:59:44,033 --> 00:59:47,433
And he stayed for '81 to '84.
1056
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:55,066
He was beautiful at the time,
and I fell in love with him.
1057
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,500
He was very tender.
1058
01:00:01,233 --> 01:00:03,166
You can see it
in Brian's eyes.
1059
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,000
We had very good sex,
1060
01:00:11,066 --> 01:00:12,566
and that can keep
people together
1061
01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:14,333
for a long time.
1062
01:00:19,366 --> 01:00:21,300
And then we started
fighting a lot .
1063
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,033
And I was good at fighting.
1064
01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:33,600
He wanted to break up,
and I didn't want him to.
1065
01:00:33,666 --> 01:00:35,700
And then we went
through that a lot,
1066
01:00:35,766 --> 01:00:37,433
trying to break up.
1067
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,400
And then when I went to Berlin,
we'd, you know, broken up.
1068
01:00:42,466 --> 01:00:45,033
And then he came
to Berlin and--
1069
01:00:45,633 --> 01:00:47,066
And that story.
1070
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:54,466
I did a slideshow
at some loft,
1071
01:00:54,533 --> 01:00:57,433
and we went to a bar.
1072
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,633
And then he realized
I'd been with this girl,
1073
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,133
and he became jealous.
1074
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,366
And that's what set it off.
1075
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:13,733
We were so intertwined,
we didn't know how to break up.
1076
01:01:15,433 --> 01:01:18,566
So this was his way
of breaking up.
1077
01:01:21,633 --> 01:01:26,000
He punched me
in the face repeatedly.
1078
01:01:26,066 --> 01:01:28,000
Like boom, boom, boom.
1079
01:01:28,066 --> 01:01:31,166
And he went after my eyes.
1080
01:01:31,233 --> 01:01:33,633
I was bleeding,
and there was this girl,
1081
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:35,366
Sylvie, from Paris.
1082
01:01:35,433 --> 01:01:37,533
Sylvie came in
and dragged me out.
1083
01:01:39,366 --> 01:01:40,566
She saved my life.
1084
01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:45,166
He trashed the room,
1085
01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:49,200
and he wrote in lipstick
all over the room:
1086
01:01:49,266 --> 01:01:50,666
"Bitch," "Cunt"...
1087
01:01:52,233 --> 01:01:53,700
He burned my diaries.
1088
01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,033
The greatest luck of my life
is that I left the slideshow
1089
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,233
at the loft
where I'd shown it
1090
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,000
because he would
have destroyed it.
1091
01:02:04,066 --> 01:02:05,433
Laura:
He would have destroyed it.
1092
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:08,000
Nan: Yeah.
1093
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,333
All the bones
in the orbital floor
1094
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,100
of my eye were broken.
1095
01:02:19,666 --> 01:02:21,600
-And, um...
-Laura: To go for your eyes.
1096
01:02:21,666 --> 01:02:24,066
Nan:
...Maggie said
he wanted to blind me.
1097
01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:31,766
My pictures
of myself battered
1098
01:02:32,033 --> 01:02:34,500
were what kept me
from going back.
1099
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,033
Women who've been battered
have come to me and told me
1100
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,133
that they were able
to talk about it
1101
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,166
because of those pictures.
1102
01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:54,100
The struggle between
autonomy and dependency
1103
01:02:54,166 --> 01:02:57,666
is the core of
"The Ballad of
Sexual Dependency."
1104
01:03:03,633 --> 01:03:05,766
My father tried
to get it stopped
1105
01:03:06,033 --> 01:03:07,266
from being published.
1106
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,366
You know,
pictures were one thing,
1107
01:03:11,433 --> 01:03:14,766
but they were so afraid
of the text...
1108
01:03:16,066 --> 01:03:17,433
'cause he said
that I was trying
1109
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:19,266
to prove that
they killed my sister.
1110
01:03:20,766 --> 01:03:22,166
That's how he put it.
1111
01:03:24,766 --> 01:03:27,366
You know, Brian was trying
to get it stopped.
1112
01:03:28,533 --> 01:03:30,600
It makes it
even more radical,
1113
01:03:30,666 --> 01:03:32,666
all these men
trying to stop it.
1114
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:42,000
When I got back to New York,
I went to Tin Pan.
1115
01:03:42,066 --> 01:03:45,133
I was terrified because
there were all those men,
1116
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200
and I couldn't be
in a crowd with men.
1117
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,000
Maggie thought I was
shooting dope and I wasn't.
1118
01:03:52,066 --> 01:03:53,600
But I was snorting it.
1119
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,433
And I remembered
when I quit Tin Pan, I thought,
1120
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,700
"Oh, now I'm gonna get
really strung out
1121
01:04:01,766 --> 01:04:04,200
because there's nothing
to stop me."
1122
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,166
And I did.
1123
01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:16,700
It's a little scary
around here.
1124
01:04:18,533 --> 01:04:21,366
A "New York Post" reporter
called me cold
1125
01:04:21,433 --> 01:04:22,633
without being introduced.
1126
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:24,000
He called me
on my cell phone.
1127
01:04:24,066 --> 01:04:26,566
He said he got it
on the internet.
1128
01:04:26,633 --> 01:04:28,466
We have to really have
the facts
1129
01:04:28,533 --> 01:04:31,033
if we're going to go up
against this family.
1130
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,366
They could sue us, right?
1131
01:04:34,633 --> 01:04:36,433
Megan:
After a few of our actions,
1132
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:39,433
Purdue Pharma started
taking out full-page ads
1133
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,033
in "The New York Times,"
1134
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,633
saying, "Of course, we care
about the opioid crisis.
1135
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:46,700
We're in the market
of opioids."
1136
01:04:48,566 --> 01:04:52,166
People are still accepting
Sackler donations.
1137
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,033
Marina:
What's happening with
the National Portrait Gallery?
1138
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:57,766
Nan:
I don't know what's going on
1139
01:04:58,033 --> 01:05:00,700
with my work being
in the show or not.
1140
01:05:00,766 --> 01:05:02,600
What do people think?
1141
01:05:02,666 --> 01:05:05,533
Group Member:
It would be a serious blow
1142
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,533
if Nan Goldin refuses
to show her work there
1143
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,066
because of Sackler money.
1144
01:05:10,133 --> 01:05:11,166
So...
1145
01:05:11,233 --> 01:05:13,466
Megan:
Nan was set
1146
01:05:13,533 --> 01:05:16,466
to have a retrospective at
the National Portrait Gallery
1147
01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:18,033
in the UK,
1148
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000
but they're in the middle
1149
01:05:20,066 --> 01:05:23,666
of accepting
a $1.3 million grant
1150
01:05:23,733 --> 01:05:25,400
from the Sacklers.
1151
01:05:25,466 --> 01:05:28,133
So Nan told them
that she would not do
1152
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,000
her retrospective with them
1153
01:05:30,066 --> 01:05:31,666
if they were to accept it.
1154
01:05:32,533 --> 01:05:34,566
(heavy breathing)
1155
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:39,533
Person: Woo!
1156
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,233
Nan:
Unbelievable!
1157
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,500
Oh man, it's working, right?
It's working.
1158
01:05:45,566 --> 01:05:47,433
Megan:
I can't believe it!
1159
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:49,166
David Velasco:
When the National
Portrait Gallery
1160
01:05:49,233 --> 01:05:50,666
refused the donation
from the Sacklers,
1161
01:05:50,733 --> 01:05:52,033
I thought this is
a watershed moment.
1162
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,500
This is an incredible,
like, rush
1163
01:05:54,566 --> 01:05:56,200
just to think that,
1164
01:05:56,266 --> 01:05:58,466
um, people are actually
beginning to rethink
1165
01:05:58,533 --> 01:06:01,066
how-- how we do things.
1166
01:06:03,066 --> 01:06:05,633
Nan:
Let's go over what happened
in one week.
1167
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,166
I think it doesn't happen
to activist groups very often.
1168
01:06:10,233 --> 01:06:11,633
On Tuesday,
1169
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:16,166
the National Portrait Gallery
was the first to refuse money.
1170
01:06:16,233 --> 01:06:18,200
Group:
Yeah!
1171
01:06:18,266 --> 01:06:21,000
Nan:
On Thursday, the Tate crumbled.
1172
01:06:21,066 --> 01:06:23,033
On Friday,
1173
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,400
surprisingly, the Guggenheim.
1174
01:06:25,466 --> 01:06:26,433
Person: Yeah!
1175
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:28,066
And that was shocking.
1176
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:29,600
(applause)
1177
01:06:29,666 --> 01:06:31,266
Nan:
Okay, and then
1178
01:06:31,333 --> 01:06:34,533
those dirty deep
bottom feeders,
1179
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:35,633
the hedge fund,
1180
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,033
refusing to take
the Sackler money,
1181
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:39,466
which is unprecedented.
1182
01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:45,066
(group cheering)
1183
01:06:45,133 --> 01:06:47,300
Megan:
The domino effect was huge.
1184
01:06:47,366 --> 01:06:50,033
The fact that this is,
like, happening
1185
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,700
by all these major museums
1186
01:06:51,766 --> 01:06:53,200
and also Nan has her hand
1187
01:06:53,266 --> 01:06:56,533
in, like, every single one,
including the Tate,
1188
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,700
is major, and then
the Met followed.
1189
01:06:59,766 --> 01:07:02,466
But it was not
good enough for us.
1190
01:07:02,533 --> 01:07:04,333
We had a very clear demand.
1191
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,000
No longer accept Sackler money.
1192
01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:09,000
You know,
then the next part obviously
1193
01:07:09,066 --> 01:07:10,166
is take down the name.
1194
01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:18,566
Patrick:
Subsequently, we then saw
1195
01:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,166
this WhatsApp log
that came out
1196
01:07:21,233 --> 01:07:24,300
from the Mortimer Sackler
family members.
1197
01:07:24,366 --> 01:07:28,066
And you actually see them
start to talk about Nan Goldin.
1198
01:07:28,133 --> 01:07:32,233
They talk about it
solely as a matter
1199
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:33,666
of public relations management.
1200
01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:36,733
You don't have
a single person who says,
1201
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,633
"Well, wait a second.
1202
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:40,766
"Maybe there's some substance
to this critique.
1203
01:07:41,033 --> 01:07:43,333
"We should look hard
at what we've done.
1204
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,500
"Is there some way
we can make amends?
1205
01:07:45,566 --> 01:07:47,466
Are there questions
we should be asking?"
1206
01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:49,766
Instead, it's just entirely,
1207
01:07:50,033 --> 01:07:53,333
"How do we manage
this PR problem?"
1208
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,766
Laura:
When did you know
you were being followed?
1209
01:08:05,033 --> 01:08:08,266
I was leaving Nan's
1210
01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:11,366
by myself
on a Friday night.
1211
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,400
And...
1212
01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:18,200
I noticed a car.
1213
01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:20,433
I noticed that the person
sitting in it
1214
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:24,200
is obscuring his face.
1215
01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:28,300
And the second I'm directly
across from him,
1216
01:08:28,366 --> 01:08:30,400
he kind of looks at me.
1217
01:08:33,733 --> 01:08:37,200
The next week,
as I'm crossing
1218
01:08:37,266 --> 01:08:41,666
my direct street,
up to the stop sign,
1219
01:08:41,733 --> 01:08:43,666
pulls this, this car.
1220
01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:48,266
And I looked at him.
1221
01:08:49,666 --> 01:08:52,466
And I just kept walking.
1222
01:08:52,533 --> 01:08:54,766
I walked for, like,
15 feet or so
1223
01:08:55,033 --> 01:08:57,433
and when I looked back,
he was just taking my photo
1224
01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:58,700
from his car.
1225
01:09:02,066 --> 01:09:05,033
And, like, I'm-I'm just,
like, having a memory
1226
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:07,566
of that, that moment
because it's like,
1227
01:09:07,633 --> 01:09:08,700
there is no--
1228
01:09:08,766 --> 01:09:10,066
I don't think
I've experienced
1229
01:09:10,133 --> 01:09:12,100
a greater fear
than that moment
1230
01:09:12,166 --> 01:09:14,433
'cause I don't know
who the fuck this guy is.
1231
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,700
But I know it's the same guy
from the week before.
1232
01:09:22,466 --> 01:09:24,166
So I think
I even yelled at him,
1233
01:09:24,233 --> 01:09:25,633
but I don't even know
if he knew.
1234
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:27,666
He, like, peeled out.
1235
01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:30,433
And I was terrified.
1236
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,500
And then...
1237
01:09:33,566 --> 01:09:36,700
imagine my shock
when the next week,
1238
01:09:36,766 --> 01:09:39,033
like, exactly a week later,
1239
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,266
he's-- this guy
is outside of Nan's.
1240
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:52,333
We just walked
out of Nan's house.
1241
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,233
The same car is
in front of the house again.
1242
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,566
Person:
And the guy is...
1243
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,033
right there...
1244
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,033
watching me film him
right now.
1245
01:10:14,166 --> 01:10:15,566
(horn honks)
1246
01:10:15,633 --> 01:10:17,400
Megan:
Oh, he's pulling out right now.
1247
01:10:23,166 --> 01:10:25,633
Patrick:
I went out with my wife
and two children.
1248
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:27,500
I have two small boys.
1249
01:10:27,566 --> 01:10:29,400
We walked out one day
to run an errand,
1250
01:10:29,466 --> 01:10:30,766
and we're getting
into the car,
1251
01:10:31,033 --> 01:10:34,066
and a neighbor came over
and she said,
1252
01:10:34,133 --> 01:10:35,500
"Hey, I, I don't want
to freak you out,
1253
01:10:35,566 --> 01:10:37,700
"but, but just up there,
1254
01:10:37,766 --> 01:10:40,133
"there's a guy who's parked
across the street
1255
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,466
"from my house in an SUV,
1256
01:10:41,533 --> 01:10:43,166
"and he's been there all day,
1257
01:10:43,233 --> 01:10:45,200
and I think he's
watching your house."
1258
01:10:45,266 --> 01:10:46,733
So the first thing I thought,
of course, is that
1259
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,066
I knew that Nan had had
this experience,
1260
01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:51,100
and Megan had had
this experience.
1261
01:10:51,633 --> 01:10:52,700
Um...
1262
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,466
and so it felt of a piece
1263
01:10:57,533 --> 01:10:59,166
in terms of the MO.
1264
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,600
When I was fact-checking
my book,
1265
01:11:02,666 --> 01:11:05,166
I asked Purdue
if they knew anything
1266
01:11:05,233 --> 01:11:07,300
about these people
who'd been following Nan
1267
01:11:07,366 --> 01:11:09,166
and Megan and me,
1268
01:11:09,233 --> 01:11:12,766
and Purdue came back
and said,
1269
01:11:13,033 --> 01:11:15,166
"Absolutely not. Of course,
we would never do such a thing.
1270
01:11:15,233 --> 01:11:18,200
That's outrageous."
Really strenuously denying it.
1271
01:11:18,266 --> 01:11:20,733
And in my queries
to the Sacklers,
1272
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,533
I, I asked
the same thing and, uh,
1273
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,066
there were some
of the things I asked about
1274
01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:27,266
that they came back
and denied.
1275
01:11:27,333 --> 01:11:29,066
And this was not one of them.
1276
01:11:39,466 --> 01:11:41,500
Person:
Bob is one of our board members.
1277
01:11:41,566 --> 01:11:43,566
(indistinct chatter)
1278
01:11:43,633 --> 01:11:45,100
Megan:
Hi, how are you?
1279
01:11:45,166 --> 01:11:46,666
Person:
Now, admittedly,
1280
01:11:46,733 --> 01:11:48,233
it's a little crazy here.
1281
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,700
(indistinct chatter)
1282
01:11:50,766 --> 01:11:52,700
Person 2:
So has anybody had
a Narcan kit before
1283
01:11:52,766 --> 01:11:55,600
or, um, have been
through a Narcan training?
1284
01:11:55,666 --> 01:11:57,633
Yeah, I got a kit
a couple of weeks ago.
1285
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:59,400
-Okay.
-I have a kit in my house,
1286
01:11:59,466 --> 01:12:01,266
-but I haven't been trained.
-Okay.
1287
01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:04,166
So I'm just going to go over
just a couple of the essentials,
1288
01:12:04,233 --> 01:12:06,566
you know, signs and symptoms
of an opiate overdose,
1289
01:12:06,633 --> 01:12:08,100
and how to use Narcan
1290
01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:11,000
to reverse
an opiate overdose, okay?
1291
01:12:11,066 --> 01:12:12,666
So if you see somebody
who you think
1292
01:12:12,733 --> 01:12:14,766
could be experiencing
an opiate overdose,
1293
01:12:15,033 --> 01:12:17,000
you say, "Are you okay?"
They don't respond.
1294
01:12:17,066 --> 01:12:19,700
You do the sternal rub,
they still don't respond.
1295
01:12:19,766 --> 01:12:21,133
Um, you may shake them.
1296
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,333
If they still don't respond,
1297
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,333
that's when
you're gonna give Narcan.
1298
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,733
So you're going to give Narcan
and call 911.
1299
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,733
You can do whichever you want
to do first, but do both.
1300
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,200
Open it up, hold it.
Spray it up their nose, okay?
1301
01:12:33,266 --> 01:12:34,566
If it's not an overdose,
1302
01:12:34,633 --> 01:12:36,100
it's not going to hurt them,
and it won't work.
1303
01:12:36,166 --> 01:12:37,433
But if it is an overdose,
1304
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,000
it's gonna save their life.
1305
01:12:39,066 --> 01:12:40,400
Okay?
1306
01:12:40,466 --> 01:12:42,066
Harry:
Focusing on harm reduction
is what's going
1307
01:12:42,133 --> 01:12:45,133
to bring people
out of this crisis.
1308
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,300
Safe consumption sites,
1309
01:12:46,366 --> 01:12:49,066
reducing stigma,
and helping drug users
1310
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,533
is the long goal, so.
1311
01:13:01,133 --> 01:13:03,000
Assemblywoman:
Okay, we're going
to start the hearing.
1312
01:13:03,066 --> 01:13:04,766
Um, good morning.
1313
01:13:05,033 --> 01:13:07,666
I'd like to welcome you
to today's hearing
1314
01:13:07,733 --> 01:13:09,533
on the adequacy of funding
1315
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,366
for substance use
disorder services.
1316
01:13:12,433 --> 01:13:14,566
Our next witness
is Nan Goldin,
1317
01:13:14,633 --> 01:13:19,300
founder of Prescription
Addiction Intervention Now.
1318
01:13:19,366 --> 01:13:23,100
I'm gonna speak, by and large,
from the personal experience.
1319
01:13:23,166 --> 01:13:26,600
That maybe will help inform you
of what it means,
1320
01:13:26,666 --> 01:13:30,066
some of these, uh, bills
that you're trying to pass,
1321
01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:32,733
what it actually impacts
on a human being.
1322
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:38,066
"I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy
without buprenorphine.
1323
01:13:38,133 --> 01:13:40,266
"On a small dose
of buprenorphine,
1324
01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:42,633
"cravings for opioids
are reduced.
1325
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:44,166
"At larger doses,
1326
01:13:44,233 --> 01:13:47,533
"you can't even feel the effects
of opioids if you try.
1327
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,200
"I was one of the lucky ones
1328
01:13:49,266 --> 01:13:52,066
"who was able
to access MAT immediately
1329
01:13:52,133 --> 01:13:53,533
"and afford good treatment.
1330
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,666
"Doctors need to pay to train
and receive a waiver
1331
01:13:56,733 --> 01:13:58,533
"to prescribe buprenorphine,
1332
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,766
"when no such certificate
is required
1333
01:14:01,033 --> 01:14:02,533
"to prescribe OxyContin.
1334
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,233
"Again, this is a policy
that increases
1335
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:07,533
"the stigma in
the medical community
1336
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,500
"about treating people
addicted to drugs.
1337
01:14:10,566 --> 01:14:12,633
"People need to be kept alive.
1338
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:15,066
"Addiction is not
a moral issue.
1339
01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:17,066
"It is not a criminal issue.
1340
01:14:17,133 --> 01:14:19,766
"Harm reduction means
not only recovering
1341
01:14:20,033 --> 01:14:22,566
"the harm caused by
the disease of addiction,
1342
01:14:22,633 --> 01:14:27,033
"but also the harm caused
by the social and moral assault
1343
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,400
on people with
substance use disorder."
1344
01:14:31,766 --> 01:14:32,733
Assemblywoman:
Thank you very much.
1345
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,400
It's important
to hear from people
1346
01:14:34,466 --> 01:14:37,300
who take, uh,
Medication-Assisted Treatment.
1347
01:14:37,366 --> 01:14:39,366
-But I'm not ashamed of it.
-Assemblywoman: No.
1348
01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:42,000
And it's not
my road to recovery.
1349
01:14:42,066 --> 01:14:43,166
-Assemblywoman: Right.
-It is my recovery.
1350
01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:44,733
Assemblywoman:
That's important to share.
1351
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,466
People think you have
to be off everything
1352
01:14:47,533 --> 01:14:49,266
in order to be in recovery,
1353
01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:51,333
and that's certainly not true.
1354
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,533
Nan:
Yeah, the stigma is terrible.
1355
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,400
Assemblywoman:
Okay. Thank you so much.
1356
01:15:10,466 --> 01:15:12,066
Person:
Yeah, right here.
1357
01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:13,666
Okay.
1358
01:15:13,733 --> 01:15:15,033
Nan:
Lock arms?
1359
01:15:19,266 --> 01:15:21,066
Megan:
We joined with
1360
01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:24,166
Housing Works
and Vocal-New York,
1361
01:15:24,233 --> 01:15:26,366
who really wanted
to do an action.
1362
01:15:26,433 --> 01:15:28,700
-Protester: And we are here...
-Group: We are here...
1363
01:15:28,766 --> 01:15:30,566
Protester:
...to draw attention to...
1364
01:15:30,633 --> 01:15:32,366
Group:
...to draw attention to...
1365
01:15:32,433 --> 01:15:34,466
...Overdose Awareness Day!
1366
01:15:34,533 --> 01:15:36,600
Group:
...overdose Awareness Day!
1367
01:15:36,666 --> 01:15:39,000
-No stigma!
-No shame!
1368
01:15:39,066 --> 01:15:40,733
-No stigma!
-No shame!
1369
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,033
-No stigma!
-Group: No shame!
1370
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:46,166
-No stigma!
-Group: No shame!
1371
01:15:46,233 --> 01:15:47,766
Annatina Miescher:
In order to do
the harm reduction,
1372
01:15:48,033 --> 01:15:49,733
the safe consumption sites
1373
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,333
invite people in
1374
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,600
and say, "Look...
1375
01:15:53,633 --> 01:15:55,433
"Whatever you're dependent on
1376
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:58,033
"is not what we question
right now.
1377
01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:01,266
"We just want you to be able
to, to do it in a safe way.
1378
01:16:01,333 --> 01:16:02,733
"Not put anybody at risk.
1379
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,266
"Here's how to shoot up
in a clean way.
1380
01:16:07,333 --> 01:16:10,033
You don't know what you bought,
we'll test it for you."
1381
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,300
Protester:
Hey, Cuomo,
what do you say?
1382
01:16:13,366 --> 01:16:15,200
Group:
How many people died today?
1383
01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:17,200
(indistinct
police radio chatter)
1384
01:16:17,266 --> 01:16:19,033
Group:
How many people died today?
1385
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,300
Protester:
Hey, Cuomo,
what do you say?
1386
01:16:21,366 --> 01:16:23,300
Group:
How many people died today?
1387
01:16:23,366 --> 01:16:26,333
(chanting) No more deaths!
No more deaths!
1388
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,100
No more deaths!
1389
01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:33,433
(people cheering)
1390
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:37,200
(projector clicking)
1391
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,766
Nan:
I went to rehab
for the first time in 1988.
1392
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:59,233
I had been kind of isolated
from my friends.
1393
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:06,000
I thought I was going back
to my community.
1394
01:17:06,066 --> 01:17:10,333
And then I realized most of
the people were dead or dying.
1395
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,433
Group: (chanting)
We'll never be silent again,
Act Up!
1396
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:14,533
We'll never be silent again,
Act Up!
1397
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,566
We'll never be silent again,
Act Up!
1398
01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:18,566
We'll never be
silent again, Act Up!
1399
01:17:18,633 --> 01:17:20,666
We'll never be silent again,
Act Up!
1400
01:17:20,733 --> 01:17:22,166
We'll never be silent again!
1401
01:17:22,233 --> 01:17:25,166
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
1402
01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:28,566
Act Up!
Fight Back! Fight AIDS!
1403
01:17:28,633 --> 01:17:31,266
Protester:
Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS!
1404
01:17:31,333 --> 01:17:34,166
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
1405
01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:39,000
(crowd cheering)
1406
01:17:39,066 --> 01:17:40,666
Nan:
It was like World War II.
1407
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:44,466
Uh, we watched everybody
get wiped out,
1408
01:17:44,533 --> 01:17:46,100
and there was nothing
we could do.
1409
01:17:52,133 --> 01:17:54,400
(indistinct chatter)
1410
01:17:54,466 --> 01:17:56,400
Nan:
I got a call
from Artists Space,
1411
01:17:56,466 --> 01:17:59,033
and they asked me
to curate a show.
1412
01:18:02,066 --> 01:18:05,333
I wanted the subject
of it to be AIDS.
1413
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,133
And I was told
there hadn't been
1414
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,333
any shows about AIDS.
1415
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,700
I asked all my friends
1416
01:18:16,766 --> 01:18:18,533
to contribute something
1417
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,633
because I wanted it
to be a community.
1418
01:18:21,766 --> 01:18:23,700
It was the first show
I curated.
1419
01:18:27,366 --> 01:18:29,033
David Wojnarowicz:
Mortality no longer feels
1420
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,200
like some abstraction
that I could push away
1421
01:18:31,266 --> 01:18:33,566
to the age of 80
or 90 or--
1422
01:18:33,633 --> 01:18:37,100
You know, there's no longer
a luxury of, of...
1423
01:18:37,166 --> 01:18:39,633
pushing the idea
of mortality away.
1424
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,766
Nan:
David Wojnarowicz
was my spiritual guide.
1425
01:18:47,033 --> 01:18:49,100
He was my political guide.
1426
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,066
David:
"If you want to stop AIDS,
shoot the queers,"
1427
01:18:57,133 --> 01:18:58,766
says the governor of Texas
on the radio.
1428
01:18:59,033 --> 01:19:00,633
And his press secretary
later claims
1429
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:02,333
that the governor
was only joking
1430
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,466
and didn't know
the microphone was turned on.
1431
01:19:04,533 --> 01:19:06,000
And besides, he didn't think
it would hurt
1432
01:19:06,066 --> 01:19:08,200
his chances
for re-election anyways.
1433
01:19:08,266 --> 01:19:09,566
And I wake up every morning.
1434
01:19:09,633 --> 01:19:13,000
I wake up every morning in this
killing machine called America,
1435
01:19:13,066 --> 01:19:15,466
and I'm carrying this rage
like a blood-filled egg.
1436
01:19:15,533 --> 01:19:17,666
And there's a thin line,
a thin line
1437
01:19:17,733 --> 01:19:19,533
between the inside
and the outside,
1438
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,766
a thin line between
thought and action.
1439
01:19:22,033 --> 01:19:25,666
And that line is simply made up
of blood and muscle and bone.
1440
01:19:25,733 --> 01:19:27,233
And I've been looking
all my life
1441
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:28,466
at the signs around us,
1442
01:19:28,533 --> 01:19:30,200
in the media,
or on people's lips,
1443
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:33,066
the religious types outside
St. Patrick's Cathedral,
1444
01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:35,400
shouting to the men
and women in the gay parade,
1445
01:19:35,466 --> 01:19:36,666
"You won't be here next year.
1446
01:19:36,733 --> 01:19:39,133
You'll get AIDS and die!
Ha ha!"
1447
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:48,166
Nan Goldin, uh,
curated this show
1448
01:19:48,233 --> 01:19:51,666
with the idea
of choosing the work
1449
01:19:51,733 --> 01:19:53,633
of people that she knew
1450
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:55,433
who were affected by AIDS,
1451
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:57,333
who were living with AIDS.
1452
01:19:59,566 --> 01:20:03,133
She wanted to dispel
the notion of AIDS victim.
1453
01:20:05,066 --> 01:20:07,533
Now, I'm hardly a victim
if I can resist.
1454
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,166
What I see is
institutionalized ignorance
1455
01:20:10,233 --> 01:20:11,566
about this epidemic.
1456
01:20:14,766 --> 01:20:18,466
She also wanted to deal
with issues of sexuality
1457
01:20:18,533 --> 01:20:20,566
in the midst
of this epidemic.
1458
01:20:23,566 --> 01:20:26,666
That there was sexuality,
there was safe sexuality,
1459
01:20:26,733 --> 01:20:31,100
and that, uh, that this was
going to continue to occur
1460
01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:32,666
despite, you know,
the silencing
1461
01:20:32,733 --> 01:20:35,400
of that information
by a church or government.
1462
01:20:38,466 --> 01:20:41,066
Nan:
There is really important work
in the show.
1463
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,033
Like David's.
Like Peter Hujar's.
1464
01:20:49,066 --> 01:20:51,300
Philip-Lorca diCorcia.
1465
01:20:52,233 --> 01:20:53,766
Mark Morrisroe.
1466
01:20:54,733 --> 01:20:56,566
Greer Lankton.
1467
01:20:58,133 --> 01:20:59,733
Darrel Ellis.
1468
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,533
People both really well-known
and people unknown.
1469
01:21:06,266 --> 01:21:09,700
It was about
the loss of a community.
1470
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:14,433
And trying to keep
people's legacy alive.
1471
01:21:20,433 --> 01:21:23,366
I called David and asked him
to write for my catalogue.
1472
01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,366
I sent him pictures
1473
01:21:27,433 --> 01:21:29,633
of some of the work
that, that was in it,
1474
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:32,700
and I said, "You can write
whatever you want.
1475
01:21:32,766 --> 01:21:35,200
I'll support
whatever you write."
1476
01:21:35,266 --> 01:21:38,633
I was asked to write
a catalogue essay
1477
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:41,400
pertaining to a show
dealing with AIDS
1478
01:21:41,466 --> 01:21:42,700
and a community of people.
1479
01:21:42,766 --> 01:21:44,600
So I started talking about
1480
01:21:44,666 --> 01:21:46,766
what I was experiencing
right there in my life
1481
01:21:47,033 --> 01:21:49,666
and dealing with image
and representation
1482
01:21:49,733 --> 01:21:51,733
and everything seen
through the framework
1483
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,100
of having a taboo disease
in this society.
1484
01:21:57,166 --> 01:22:00,533
Nan:
I love that this tiny,
little, skinny catalogue
1485
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,266
with, like,
thumbnail reproductions
1486
01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:04,533
in black and white
1487
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,366
could cause
a major political shake-up.
1488
01:22:11,066 --> 01:22:13,133
Newsreader:
At the Artists Space
Gallery in Tribeca,
1489
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,166
preparations are still underway
for next week's exhibit,
1490
01:22:16,233 --> 01:22:17,700
but the National Endowment
of the Arts
1491
01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:19,533
has canceled its grant.
1492
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,533
Newsreader 2:
The National Endowment
for the Arts refuses
1493
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,100
to sponsor an art show
here in New York City
1494
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:26,633
because it deals
with AIDS and homosexuality
1495
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,300
and also offends
some political sensibilities.
1496
01:22:29,366 --> 01:22:31,766
One thing I want to point out
is that it's artist-organized.
1497
01:22:32,033 --> 01:22:35,100
It's organized by a photographer
named Nan Goldin...
1498
01:22:35,166 --> 01:22:37,000
Nan:
Susan Wyatt, the director,
1499
01:22:37,066 --> 01:22:39,600
got nervous
about David's writing,
1500
01:22:39,666 --> 01:22:42,666
and so she took it
to the NEA.
1501
01:22:42,733 --> 01:22:45,433
Newsreader 3:
The catalogue
reportedly criticizes
1502
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:46,700
Senator Jesse Helms
1503
01:22:46,766 --> 01:22:49,366
for his position
on homosexuality and art
1504
01:22:49,433 --> 01:22:52,066
and calls
New York Cardinal O'Connor
1505
01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:55,000
"a fat cannibal
in a black skirt."
1506
01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:58,533
Interviewer:
You think the phone
is gonna ring again?
1507
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,033
-Any minute.
-Interviewer: About what?
1508
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:01,366
What do you think-- What
do you think it's gonna be--
1509
01:23:01,433 --> 01:23:03,200
It's probably
Cardinal O'Connor,
1510
01:23:03,266 --> 01:23:06,000
you know, expressing
his, uh, direct support
1511
01:23:06,066 --> 01:23:07,600
of my statements.
1512
01:23:07,666 --> 01:23:10,066
And, uh, admitting that,
1513
01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:12,200
since he does feast
on the body of Christ,
1514
01:23:12,266 --> 01:23:13,666
that he is a cannibal.
1515
01:23:13,733 --> 01:23:17,233
And that, yes, he does have
a penchant for black skirts.
1516
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:21,566
He is fat, translucent,
and, uh, immoral.
1517
01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:27,000
(phone ringing)
1518
01:23:27,066 --> 01:23:29,066
Nan:
After the news first broke,
1519
01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:31,466
David called, really upset,
1520
01:23:31,533 --> 01:23:34,266
and told me that
they were trying
1521
01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:35,566
to make him take out
1522
01:23:35,633 --> 01:23:38,500
"fat fucking cannibal
in black skirts."
1523
01:23:38,566 --> 01:23:40,433
(inaudible)
1524
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,433
I think it's very dangerous
and very scary.
1525
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:46,466
I see an outbreak of McCarthyism
and a blacklisting of artists
1526
01:23:46,533 --> 01:23:49,466
if this is continued
to allow to happen.
1527
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:53,333
John Frohnmayer:
What happened is
1528
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,333
that the artistic focus
of the show
1529
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,400
really was lost.
1530
01:23:56,466 --> 01:23:58,433
And I-- And what,
what turned out
1531
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,333
to be the show
in its present form,
1532
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,366
uh, was not, and is not,
sound artistically.
1533
01:24:05,433 --> 01:24:07,333
Newsreader:
Composer Leonard Bernstein
1534
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,633
managed to become embroiled
in the controversy.
1535
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:12,333
This after declining
the National Medal of Arts
1536
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,100
because of the NEA action
taking away the grant.
1537
01:24:17,166 --> 01:24:19,233
David:
And the thing that
makes me laugh is,
1538
01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:21,300
if at this point in time,
1539
01:24:21,366 --> 01:24:22,266
images and words
1540
01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:24,233
that can be made
by an individual
1541
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:25,533
have such power
1542
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,333
to create this, this,
uh, storm of controversy,
1543
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:30,500
isn't that great?
1544
01:24:30,566 --> 01:24:32,200
It means that
the control of information
1545
01:24:32,266 --> 01:24:34,000
has a crack in its wall.
1546
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,700
(phone ringing)
1547
01:24:39,433 --> 01:24:40,766
Hello?
1548
01:24:41,033 --> 01:24:42,566
Yeah.
1549
01:24:42,633 --> 01:24:44,333
Hi, uh...
(chuckles)
1550
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,133
Well, it's just been a zoo.
1551
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,000
Newsreader:
Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up
1552
01:24:49,066 --> 01:24:50,666
an art catalogue
on the Senate floor...
1553
01:24:50,733 --> 01:24:53,733
David:
How can they ignore
the political aspect of AIDS?
1554
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,433
Is the fact
that I may be dying
1555
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:58,133
of AIDS in 1989,
is that not political?
1556
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,133
Is the fact that I don't have
health insurance
1557
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,400
and I don't have access
to adequate health care,
1558
01:25:02,466 --> 01:25:04,000
is that not political?
1559
01:25:09,566 --> 01:25:12,500
(somber music playing)
1560
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,533
Nan:
Vittorio was given
three months to live,
1561
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,266
and he started
drawing cartoons.
1562
01:25:31,466 --> 01:25:34,266
He was still alive
a year and a half later.
1563
01:25:37,466 --> 01:25:40,533
That's the,
the wake of Vittorio.
1564
01:25:47,633 --> 01:25:49,700
Cookie had already
lost her voice.
1565
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:53,266
She was constantly writing
1566
01:25:53,333 --> 01:25:56,200
so people could see
what she needed and wanted.
1567
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,466
Then Sharon came back
to take care of Cookie.
1568
01:26:06,066 --> 01:26:09,366
The picture of Sharon
nursing Cookie...
1569
01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:11,633
to me, this is
the meaning of love.
1570
01:26:18,333 --> 01:26:20,000
I was raging.
1571
01:26:20,066 --> 01:26:22,266
"Call this doctor.
Call that doctor.
1572
01:26:22,333 --> 01:26:24,633
"Someone's gonna be able
to help her.
1573
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:26,066
"There's got to be something.
1574
01:26:26,133 --> 01:26:28,666
There's a treatment
out there somewhere."
1575
01:26:28,733 --> 01:26:31,466
And then to realize
there was no doctor to call.
1576
01:26:31,533 --> 01:26:33,766
It was just--
I didn't get it.
1577
01:26:43,466 --> 01:26:46,533
♪ ♪
1578
01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:54,766
We had Cookie's memorial
at St. Mark's Church,
1579
01:26:55,033 --> 01:26:57,466
and the next day,
"Witnesses" opened.
1580
01:27:01,066 --> 01:27:02,466
David:
My name is David Wojnarowicz.
1581
01:27:02,533 --> 01:27:05,300
And I'd like to read this
in memory of Peter Hujar,
1582
01:27:05,366 --> 01:27:08,033
Keith Davis, Bebe Smith,
1583
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:11,200
Cookie Mueller, Vittorio.
1584
01:27:11,266 --> 01:27:14,500
One of the first steps in
making the private grief public
1585
01:27:14,566 --> 01:27:16,600
is the ritual of memorials,
1586
01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:18,333
and I've attended
a number of memorials
1587
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,000
in the last five years.
1588
01:27:20,066 --> 01:27:21,233
And at the last one
I attended,
1589
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,233
I suddenly found
myself experiencing
1590
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:25,066
something akin to rage.
1591
01:27:25,133 --> 01:27:27,466
And what made me angry,
what made me angry was
1592
01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:29,766
realizing that the memorial
had little reverberation
1593
01:27:30,033 --> 01:27:31,400
outside the room
it was held in.
1594
01:27:31,466 --> 01:27:33,200
And at the same time,
worry that friends
1595
01:27:33,266 --> 01:27:35,433
will solely become
professional pallbearers,
1596
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:37,333
waiting for each death
of their lovers,
1597
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,466
friends, and neighbors
1598
01:27:38,533 --> 01:27:40,400
and polishing
their funereal speeches,
1599
01:27:40,466 --> 01:27:42,700
perfecting their rituals
of death rather than
1600
01:27:42,766 --> 01:27:45,100
a relatively
simple ritual of life,
1601
01:27:45,166 --> 01:27:48,266
such as screaming
in the streets.
1602
01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:50,433
Group: (chanting)
Not the church! Not the state!
1603
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,533
We decide
what art is great!
1604
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,566
Not the church!
Not the state!
1605
01:27:54,633 --> 01:27:56,533
We decide
what art is great!
1606
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,366
Not the church!
Not the state!
1607
01:27:58,433 --> 01:28:00,300
Step on the sidewalk,
can't stay in the street.
1608
01:28:00,366 --> 01:28:02,100
David:
And I imagine
what it would be like
1609
01:28:02,166 --> 01:28:03,533
if friends had
a demonstration
1610
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,633
each time a lover or a friend
or a stranger died of AIDS.
1611
01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:08,266
And I imagine
what it would be like
1612
01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:11,300
each time a lover, friend,
or stranger died of AIDS
1613
01:28:11,366 --> 01:28:12,633
or of this disease,
their friends,
1614
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:15,100
lovers, or neighbors
would take their dead body
1615
01:28:15,166 --> 01:28:16,500
and drive with it in a car
1616
01:28:16,566 --> 01:28:18,766
a hundred miles an hour
to Washington, D.C.,
1617
01:28:19,033 --> 01:28:20,700
and blast through the gates
of the White House
1618
01:28:20,766 --> 01:28:23,066
and come to a screeching halt
before the entrance
1619
01:28:23,133 --> 01:28:24,700
and then dump
their lifeless forms
1620
01:28:24,766 --> 01:28:26,366
on the front steps.
1621
01:28:27,633 --> 01:28:30,233
But bottom line,
even a tiny charcoal scratching
1622
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,466
done as a gesture to mark
a person's response
to this epidemic
1623
01:28:33,533 --> 01:28:37,300
means whole worlds to me
if it's hung in public.
1624
01:28:37,366 --> 01:28:40,000
And bottom line, we have
to find our own forms
1625
01:28:40,066 --> 01:28:41,433
of gesture and communication.
1626
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,533
You can never depend
on the mass media
1627
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,700
to reflect us
or our needs
1628
01:28:45,766 --> 01:28:48,000
or our states of mind.
1629
01:28:48,066 --> 01:28:50,100
Group: (chanting)
Art is sex and politics.
1630
01:28:50,166 --> 01:28:54,466
NEA, stop your tricks.
Art is sex and politics.
1631
01:28:57,033 --> 01:29:01,300
Nan:
Mark Morrisroe died
soon after it opened.
1632
01:29:06,433 --> 01:29:09,700
David Wojnarowicz died
in 1992.
1633
01:29:14,033 --> 01:29:17,466
People don't really understand
the anger and frustration
1634
01:29:17,533 --> 01:29:20,100
and pain of those years.
1635
01:29:24,366 --> 01:29:27,266
They don't understand
what we went through.
1636
01:29:33,433 --> 01:29:35,066
It's still killing people.
1637
01:29:37,066 --> 01:29:38,466
It never went away.
1638
01:29:42,733 --> 01:29:46,300
David Armstrong died in 2014.
1639
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,666
You know, we spent
a lot of our life together.
1640
01:29:58,433 --> 01:30:00,733
Decades of friendship.
1641
01:30:22,166 --> 01:30:25,433
(group chanting in French)
1642
01:30:40,733 --> 01:30:41,766
Many people have started
1643
01:30:42,033 --> 01:30:44,633
to refuse donations
from the Sacklers,
1644
01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:49,133
including the Guggenheim Museum,
the Met Museum, the Tate,
1645
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,000
and the National
Portrait Gallery,
1646
01:30:51,066 --> 01:30:54,066
as well as
medical institutions worldwide.
1647
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:58,733
We need to demand that
the Louvre stand by and hear us,
1648
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,266
and be the first
to take down their name.
1649
01:31:04,733 --> 01:31:08,700
(drumming)
1650
01:31:08,766 --> 01:31:12,266
♪ ♪
1651
01:31:40,466 --> 01:31:41,566
(projector clicking)
1652
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:52,100
Laura:
Can I ask you a question?
1653
01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:54,200
Nan:
What?
1654
01:31:54,266 --> 01:31:56,166
Laura:
When you overdosed,
were you alone?
1655
01:31:57,233 --> 01:31:58,333
Nan:
Yeah.
1656
01:32:00,166 --> 01:32:01,233
Totally.
1657
01:32:05,533 --> 01:32:08,000
I thought it was dope
so I snorted it,
1658
01:32:08,066 --> 01:32:09,433
and it was fentanyl.
1659
01:32:11,566 --> 01:32:13,500
And a lot of people
want fentanyl,
1660
01:32:13,566 --> 01:32:16,633
but I was not prepared
for fentanyl.
1661
01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:20,700
And I just went out
like that.
1662
01:32:20,766 --> 01:32:22,200
I just went out.
1663
01:32:24,233 --> 01:32:26,100
And then I came back.
1664
01:32:26,166 --> 01:32:27,666
And then I went out again.
1665
01:32:29,566 --> 01:32:32,233
Nobody brought me back.
I just came back.
1666
01:32:33,433 --> 01:32:36,733
I'm so lucky that
I came back by myself.
1667
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,000
I mean, all the judgment
1668
01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:48,600
of people
who are addicted to drugs
1669
01:32:48,666 --> 01:32:50,666
are stigmatized
without understanding
1670
01:32:50,733 --> 01:32:54,666
what the experience
of not having these drugs is.
1671
01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,733
To have to go
through withdrawal,
1672
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,333
your brain is stripped
of its opioid receptors,
1673
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,533
so you have no protection
from any kind of pain.
1674
01:33:11,766 --> 01:33:14,166
It's not just
the physical part.
1675
01:33:15,366 --> 01:33:16,466
It's like...
1676
01:33:17,366 --> 01:33:18,633
the darkest...
1677
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:21,533
you can go.
1678
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,633
It's a darkness
of the soul.
1679
01:33:26,666 --> 01:33:28,300
It's unbearable.
1680
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,300
(tense music playing)
1681
01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:48,300
(phone line beeping)
1682
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,533
Person 1: (on phone)
Okay. I am here.
1683
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,400
You can come by
whenever you want.
1684
01:33:54,466 --> 01:33:55,600
-Person 2: (on phone) Hello?
-Person 1: (on phone) Hi.
1685
01:33:55,666 --> 01:33:56,733
Person 2:
What did you say?
1686
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,066
Person 1:
I'm here at the restaurant.
1687
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,433
You can come here
whenever you want.
1688
01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:02,166
Person 2:
Great. How many did you get?
1689
01:34:02,233 --> 01:34:03,633
Person 1:
All that you wanted.
1690
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:05,000
(phone hangs up)
1691
01:34:17,666 --> 01:34:19,633
(phone line beeping)
1692
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:21,600
-Person 3: (on phone) Yeah?
-Person 4: (on phone) Hi.
1693
01:34:21,666 --> 01:34:22,600
Person 3:
Who is it?
1694
01:34:22,666 --> 01:34:23,766
Person 4:
You still in the bed?
1695
01:34:24,033 --> 01:34:26,700
Person 3:
Oh no, I never went to sleep.
1696
01:34:26,766 --> 01:34:30,133
You know what really, like,
hit me as peculiar?
1697
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,266
-Person 4: Hmm?
-Person 3:
And I've been thinking
1698
01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:33,333
about it all morning.
1699
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:34,466
Person 4:
Hmm?
1700
01:34:34,533 --> 01:34:36,333
Person 3:
Misery does not love company.
1701
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:37,600
Misery loves attention...
1702
01:34:37,666 --> 01:34:40,100
-(Person 4 laughs)
-Person 3: ...in this case.
1703
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,033
(wipers swishing)
1704
01:35:14,233 --> 01:35:18,400
(people chattering)
1705
01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:27,000
Nan:
The supply
has become very dirty.
1706
01:35:27,066 --> 01:35:28,433
Basically lethal.
1707
01:35:31,633 --> 01:35:33,333
Okay. Here we go.
1708
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,400
Fentanyl is
in everything now.
1709
01:35:35,466 --> 01:35:36,666
(indistinct chatter)
1710
01:35:36,733 --> 01:35:38,333
Nan:
Isn't this is fentanyl here?
1711
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,566
Person:
So fentanyl has,
like, one big peak,
1712
01:35:40,633 --> 01:35:42,500
-coke has two peaks right here.
-Nan: Okay.
1713
01:35:42,566 --> 01:35:44,333
Person: And they're at
slightly different numbers.
1714
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:45,533
Nan:
Okay.
1715
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,600
Person:
Um, here you can see
this deviates.
1716
01:35:57,333 --> 01:36:01,000
Nan:
You want to show them
the bloody ones you did?
1717
01:36:01,066 --> 01:36:04,166
No, but it's good
'cause then it will be
obvious it's not real.
1718
01:36:04,233 --> 01:36:06,300
(indistinct chatter)
1719
01:36:10,233 --> 01:36:11,733
What is our messaging?
What are we--
1720
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,066
Harry:
Our messaging is,
1721
01:36:13,133 --> 01:36:14,433
"Purdue is bankrupt,
1722
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:16,000
"but the Sacklers aren't.
1723
01:36:16,066 --> 01:36:17,200
"Their personal wealth
1724
01:36:17,266 --> 01:36:19,200
"has all been made
from OxyContin,
1725
01:36:19,266 --> 01:36:21,500
and it needs
to be taken from them."
1726
01:36:21,566 --> 01:36:23,333
Nan:
I think the messaging is
1727
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,700
-the Sacklers are
getting away with murder.
-Yeah.
1728
01:36:25,766 --> 01:36:29,100
Nan: We want their money
and where we want to spend it.
1729
01:36:29,166 --> 01:36:30,600
Person:
Addressing the fact
that they moved...
1730
01:36:30,666 --> 01:36:34,266
Patrick:
The company ends up
declaring bankruptcy.
1731
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:39,666
That's this kind of amazing
escape hatch because...
1732
01:36:39,733 --> 01:36:42,700
what happens is that Purdue,
the company, says,
1733
01:36:42,766 --> 01:36:44,400
"Listen, we realize
there's all these lawsuits,
1734
01:36:44,466 --> 01:36:47,500
"but we don't have
the resources to,
1735
01:36:47,566 --> 01:36:50,033
"to fight
or settle them all,
1736
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:51,600
"and so instead we're gonna
declare bankruptcy
1737
01:36:51,666 --> 01:36:54,566
because our coffers
are almost empty."
1738
01:36:54,633 --> 01:36:57,600
But the reason that the coffers
are almost empty, we now know,
1739
01:36:57,666 --> 01:37:00,066
is that behind the scenes
for a decade
1740
01:37:00,133 --> 01:37:02,633
leading up to this
bankruptcy plea,
1741
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,133
the Sacklers have been
quietly siphoning money
1742
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:06,500
out of the company.
1743
01:37:06,566 --> 01:37:09,400
So they took
more than $10 billion
1744
01:37:09,466 --> 01:37:13,133
out of the company
before it declares bankruptcy.
1745
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,700
-Protester: Whose money?
-Group: Our money!
1746
01:37:15,766 --> 01:37:18,433
-Protester: Whose blood?
-Group: Our blood!
1747
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,100
-Protester: Whose money?
-Group: Our money!
1748
01:37:21,166 --> 01:37:23,666
-Protester: Whose blood?
-Group: Our blood!
1749
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,600
Person:
You think they could
get away with this?
1750
01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:35,333
Of course. Yes.
1751
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,066
I never expected that
they'd be held accountable.
1752
01:37:38,133 --> 01:37:39,600
I don't think
that much money
1753
01:37:39,666 --> 01:37:42,400
can be taken away
from a billionaire family.
1754
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:50,033
Mike Quinn:
The fact that a bankruptcy court
is deciding
1755
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:51,433
a public--
an issue of pu--
1756
01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:54,200
like, a public
crisis issue is crazy.
1757
01:37:55,033 --> 01:37:56,266
That's the problem.
1758
01:37:56,333 --> 01:37:59,033
So I've been involved
since the beginning basically.
1759
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:00,433
At some point, a light bulb
went on, and I was like,
1760
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:03,566
"Let's bring the activism
into the courtroom,"
1761
01:38:03,633 --> 01:38:05,666
and, um, ever since then,
1762
01:38:05,733 --> 01:38:08,366
we've been fighting
in the court.
1763
01:38:08,433 --> 01:38:11,266
And we weren't exactly
welcomed the first time.
1764
01:38:12,666 --> 01:38:15,100
You know, we're like,
like little assassins.
1765
01:38:15,166 --> 01:38:19,100
We, like, go in
and, mm-mm, and get out.
1766
01:38:19,166 --> 01:38:22,266
I told the lawyer
for Purdue that
1767
01:38:22,333 --> 01:38:23,766
I'm doing it pro-bono.
1768
01:38:24,033 --> 01:38:25,466
He was like, "What?"
1769
01:38:27,666 --> 01:38:29,433
(chuckles)
1770
01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:32,066
He was like,
"What? Wait, what?"
1771
01:38:32,133 --> 01:38:35,066
You know, because they spent
$30 million a month
1772
01:38:35,133 --> 01:38:36,733
on legal fees
and professional fees
1773
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,133
in this case.
1774
01:38:40,066 --> 01:38:42,600
There's, like,
80-something attorneys
1775
01:38:42,666 --> 01:38:44,533
and people on this call.
1776
01:38:45,333 --> 01:38:47,133
That's a lot.
1777
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,000
Judge Drain: (on laptop)
Good morning,
this is Judge Drain.
1778
01:38:50,066 --> 01:38:53,200
This is a completely
telephonic hearing.
1779
01:38:53,266 --> 01:39:00,033
Uh, we're here today in,
in re: Purdue Pharma L.P.
1780
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:02,500
Your Honor, we think
there's a huge mistake here.
1781
01:39:02,566 --> 01:39:06,100
We think the process that
the DOJ went through was wrong.
1782
01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:08,566
We think that the results,
which are completely vague
1783
01:39:08,633 --> 01:39:13,200
and, you know, baffling
to me and my clients, is wrong.
1784
01:39:13,266 --> 01:39:16,633
The DOJ neither invited input
from Purdue's victims
1785
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:18,466
nor the public
nor apparently
1786
01:39:18,533 --> 01:39:20,533
any members of
the House and Senate.
1787
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,100
The negotiation
between these two parties,
1788
01:39:23,166 --> 01:39:26,300
the DOJ
and Purdue/the Sacklers alone,
1789
01:39:26,366 --> 01:39:29,733
is not sufficient to make
this kind of policy decision.
1790
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,666
My clients are like
the Ghost of Christmas Past.
1791
01:39:32,733 --> 01:39:35,133
They're here
to tell you in 2007,
1792
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,300
they saw there was a problem,
1793
01:39:37,366 --> 01:39:38,533
the problem got worse,
1794
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,766
and this is our moment--
their moment to tell you
1795
01:39:42,033 --> 01:39:46,300
we gotta make sure
that the future is safer.
1796
01:39:46,366 --> 01:39:47,600
Judge Drain:
Okay, well...
1797
01:39:48,533 --> 01:39:50,466
Alright, thank you.
1798
01:39:50,533 --> 01:39:52,033
Marshall Huebner: (on laptop)
Good morning, Your Honor,
1799
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:53,300
and good morning
to everyone, uh,
1800
01:39:53,366 --> 01:39:55,000
who is on the line.
1801
01:39:55,066 --> 01:39:57,200
Your Honor, Mr. Quinn
many times used
1802
01:39:57,266 --> 01:39:59,200
the phrase
"Purdue/the Sacklers."
1803
01:39:59,266 --> 01:40:02,400
The kind of suggestion
that Purdue and the Sacklers
1804
01:40:02,466 --> 01:40:03,633
are in this together
1805
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:05,566
is really not helpful.
1806
01:40:05,633 --> 01:40:07,566
And it's just,
it's not fair.
1807
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,000
Nan:
This is so depressing.
1808
01:40:14,066 --> 01:40:15,266
Thank you so much, Mike.
1809
01:40:15,333 --> 01:40:17,500
Thank you so much for going
out there and battling.
1810
01:40:17,566 --> 01:40:18,466
Megan: Yes.
1811
01:40:18,533 --> 01:40:20,133
I feel proud
to be doing it,
1812
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,433
and, um, whatever,
you know, we're in it.
1813
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:26,000
I mean, the fact that
our group is in the bankruptcy,
1814
01:40:26,066 --> 01:40:27,233
at the front
of the bankruptcy,
1815
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:29,033
fighting every single thing
tooth and nail,
1816
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:31,633
-is pretty amazing.
-Yeah, it's pretty funny.
1817
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:33,100
It's fucking crazy.
1818
01:40:33,166 --> 01:40:35,500
Is there any chance
of criminal charges?
1819
01:40:35,566 --> 01:40:36,733
Mike: No.
1820
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,200
The way
the plan's structured,
1821
01:40:38,266 --> 01:40:40,133
if the DOJ filed,
1822
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,700
um, criminal charges
against the Sacklers now,
1823
01:40:42,766 --> 01:40:45,333
it would blow up
the whole bankruptcy.
1824
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,566
So effectively, they just dodged
criminal liability.
1825
01:41:06,433 --> 01:41:09,433
We followed these people
into bankruptcy court
1826
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:12,700
and we're watching them
completely manipulate
1827
01:41:12,766 --> 01:41:14,100
the justice system.
1828
01:41:14,166 --> 01:41:17,333
There's no justice for us,
only for billionaires.
1829
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,333
So all we can hope
1830
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,066
is that the money
in the settlement
1831
01:41:21,133 --> 01:41:25,066
that goes to the states
goes to the right places,
1832
01:41:25,133 --> 01:41:27,633
that it goes to harm reduction
and not policing.
1833
01:41:27,700 --> 01:41:30,500
-Right.
-(cheering and applause)
1834
01:41:30,566 --> 01:41:34,266
That it goes to groups like you
that are saving lives.
1835
01:41:41,066 --> 01:41:43,600
Judge: (on laptop)
This is a proceeding
in federal court.
1836
01:41:43,666 --> 01:41:46,366
It is being held remotely,
1837
01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:49,400
but the rules and decorum
of a federal court apply.
1838
01:41:49,466 --> 01:41:50,700
(Megan whispering indistinctly)
1839
01:41:53,433 --> 01:41:54,533
Megan:
Yeah.
1840
01:41:56,633 --> 01:41:57,766
Judge: (on laptop)
So let me confirm...
1841
01:41:58,033 --> 01:42:01,200
Uh, I see, uh, David Sackler
1842
01:42:01,266 --> 01:42:04,366
on the screen,
and I see, uh, Theresa Sackler.
1843
01:42:05,666 --> 01:42:08,766
Uh, Richard Sackler,
uh, is on the phone
1844
01:42:09,033 --> 01:42:12,400
and will stay on the phone
throughout this proceeding.
1845
01:42:12,466 --> 01:42:15,266
Uh, Dr. Sackler,
can you confirm that for me?
1846
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,033
Richard Sackler: (on phone)
Yes, Your Honor,
1847
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:22,133
I am here on the phone,
and I'm listening.
1848
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:23,333
Lawyer: (on laptop)
Before we start,
1849
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,166
there's one clarification
I wanted to make.
1850
01:42:26,233 --> 01:42:29,433
I believe Richard said
that he is listening.
1851
01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:32,666
I believe he's also supposed
to say that he is watching,
1852
01:42:32,733 --> 01:42:35,633
he's supposed to be
watching the video
but not seen.
1853
01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:37,166
Can he confirm that?
1854
01:42:38,433 --> 01:42:41,500
Richard:
Uh, I can confirm that, I saw--
1855
01:42:41,566 --> 01:42:43,400
I've seen everything.
1856
01:42:43,466 --> 01:42:45,666
Judge: Okay, and,
and, uh, that's important.
1857
01:42:45,733 --> 01:42:48,133
And thank you
for raising that, Mr. Price.
1858
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,233
Alright, uh, the first person
who will speak today
1859
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:53,033
is Tiffinee Scott.
1860
01:42:55,733 --> 01:42:57,066
Richard.
1861
01:42:58,033 --> 01:42:59,100
David.
1862
01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:01,400
Theresa.
1863
01:43:01,466 --> 01:43:03,166
We have never met,
but I feel like
1864
01:43:03,233 --> 01:43:06,200
I already have
a relationship with you
1865
01:43:06,266 --> 01:43:08,533
due to OxyContin.
1866
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,100
Have you ever provided Narcan
to one of your children?
1867
01:43:12,166 --> 01:43:15,033
Have you revived one of your
children from an overdose?
1868
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:18,466
I have. There are no words
to describe my pain.
1869
01:43:18,533 --> 01:43:22,733
In May of 2020, she was found
unresponsive, life--
1870
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,500
lifeless in bed
by me, her mother.
1871
01:43:26,566 --> 01:43:31,166
The deceit and horror
you all caused, shame on you.
1872
01:43:31,233 --> 01:43:32,566
I remember the day
Trent told me
1873
01:43:32,633 --> 01:43:34,366
he was addicted to OxyContin.
1874
01:43:34,433 --> 01:43:37,400
He called me from the campus
at the University of Alabama.
1875
01:43:37,466 --> 01:43:40,233
I could tell in his voice,
there was great fear.
1876
01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:43,066
I drove the three hours,
and he met me in tears,
1877
01:43:43,133 --> 01:43:44,300
we wept together.
1878
01:43:44,366 --> 01:43:46,500
"Dad, I can't stop
taking Oxy.
1879
01:43:46,566 --> 01:43:49,100
Dad, I'm afraid I'm going
to die." And he did.
1880
01:43:49,166 --> 01:43:51,766
-This is so hard.
-Victim: (on laptop)
I encountered opioids
1881
01:43:52,033 --> 01:43:53,466
for the first time
shortly after
1882
01:43:53,533 --> 01:43:55,666
you launched OxyContin.
1883
01:43:55,733 --> 01:43:57,466
And I am one
of the living survivors
1884
01:43:57,533 --> 01:43:59,500
of your monumental greed.
1885
01:43:59,566 --> 01:44:00,466
Megan: Oof.
1886
01:44:00,533 --> 01:44:02,533
Victim:
I hope that every face,
1887
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,600
every single victim's face
1888
01:44:05,666 --> 01:44:07,600
haunts your every
waking moment...
1889
01:44:07,666 --> 01:44:10,533
-It won't.
-Victim: ...and your
sleeping ones, too.
1890
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:11,666
Judge:
Thank you.
1891
01:44:11,733 --> 01:44:15,066
The next person
to speak is Nan Goldin.
1892
01:44:15,133 --> 01:44:19,300
It's nice to finally see
the Sacklers face-to-face.
1893
01:44:19,366 --> 01:44:21,766
The Sacklers'
so-called apology,
1894
01:44:22,033 --> 01:44:24,300
which was mandated
by this settlement,
1895
01:44:24,366 --> 01:44:28,100
is insulting to all of us
who have been damaged by them.
1896
01:44:28,166 --> 01:44:31,766
One family
is largely responsible
1897
01:44:32,033 --> 01:44:34,166
for the onset of this crisis.
1898
01:44:34,233 --> 01:44:36,100
that has led to the deaths
1899
01:44:36,166 --> 01:44:38,700
of over
half a million Americans,
1900
01:44:38,766 --> 01:44:42,733
and caused irreparable damage
for generations to come.
1901
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,500
Yet their settlement
grants them immunity,
1902
01:44:46,566 --> 01:44:48,433
not just for themselves,
1903
01:44:48,500 --> 01:44:51,766
for, for generations
of Sacklers to come.
1904
01:44:52,033 --> 01:44:55,166
Purdue has been found guilty
of federal crimes,
1905
01:44:55,233 --> 01:44:58,566
but its private owners
have never been prosecuted.
1906
01:44:58,633 --> 01:45:03,266
We hope the Justice Department
will pursue criminal charges.
1907
01:45:03,333 --> 01:45:04,400
Thank you.
1908
01:45:06,066 --> 01:45:07,533
Judge:
Okay, thank you.
1909
01:45:09,633 --> 01:45:16,000
(through speakers,
person sobbing indistinctly)
1910
01:45:16,066 --> 01:45:17,533
Dispatcher: (through speakers)
They're already on the way,
1911
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:18,733
they've already
been dispatched.
1912
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,033
Has he taken anything?
1913
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:21,133
Person 2:
I just don't know.
1914
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,266
He has in the past.
1915
01:45:23,333 --> 01:45:26,166
(person sobbing indistinctly)
1916
01:45:26,233 --> 01:45:27,600
Megan:
Oh, my God.
1917
01:45:27,666 --> 01:45:31,266
(indistinct chatter)
1918
01:45:31,333 --> 01:45:32,733
Dispatcher:
You said he's 20 years old?
1919
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,066
-Person: Yes.
-Dispatcher: What's his name?
1920
01:45:35,133 --> 01:45:36,600
- Person: Pardon me?
- Dispatcher: What's his name?
1921
01:45:36,666 --> 01:45:38,466
Person:
Bryan... (indistinct)
1922
01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:40,300
Dispatcher:
Okay. We're on the way, okay?
1923
01:45:40,366 --> 01:45:42,000
Person 2:
Thank you, sir.
1924
01:45:43,733 --> 01:45:46,666
4,804 days.
1925
01:45:46,733 --> 01:45:48,666
Richard,
if you're still listening,
1926
01:45:48,733 --> 01:45:53,300
that's how many days since
I made that horrifying call.
1927
01:45:53,366 --> 01:45:55,000
I have lived with the pain
and heartache
1928
01:45:55,066 --> 01:45:57,200
as a result of the loss
of my only child,
1929
01:45:57,266 --> 01:46:01,100
a pain you will
never understand.
1930
01:46:01,166 --> 01:46:05,300
I can only echo
the pain and suffering,
1931
01:46:05,366 --> 01:46:08,133
um, that Kristy feels
and that all of us
1932
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,233
that are here today feel.
1933
01:46:11,433 --> 01:46:13,066
I want to point out
to the Sacklers
1934
01:46:13,133 --> 01:46:16,533
that by the time
this two-hour hearing is over,
1935
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,633
you can add 16 more people
1936
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:21,066
to your death list.
1937
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:27,300
(projector clicking)
1938
01:46:36,166 --> 01:46:39,300
Nan:
I asked my father for...
1939
01:46:39,366 --> 01:46:41,766
records from the hospitals
she'd been in.
1940
01:46:43,766 --> 01:46:47,700
And he gave them to me
without reading them himself.
1941
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:56,233
So this box came...
1942
01:46:56,300 --> 01:46:59,066
"The Box,"
I think of it as,
1943
01:46:59,133 --> 01:47:00,733
with the primary documents.
1944
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:06,166
(solemn music playing,
choir sings indistinctly)
1945
01:47:06,233 --> 01:47:08,033
There was the history
of Barbara
1946
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,000
for me to read and...
1947
01:47:10,733 --> 01:47:13,133
I was terrified.
1948
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,500
I wanted to know,
but I didn't want to know.
1949
01:47:16,566 --> 01:47:20,333
(solemn choir continues
singing indistinctly)
1950
01:47:27,566 --> 01:47:30,733
I didn't understand that
the first place she was sent
1951
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,666
was actually an orphanage.
1952
01:47:37,166 --> 01:47:40,300
And then she burned down
the curtains and ran away.
1953
01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:47,233
She's described as
a "rebellious adolescent."
1954
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:56,000
(choir whispers indistinctly,
continues singing)
1955
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,166
It says in the interviews
1956
01:47:59,233 --> 01:48:02,166
that the psychiatrist
thought that
1957
01:48:02,233 --> 01:48:04,066
Mrs. Goldin should be
in the hospital,
1958
01:48:04,133 --> 01:48:05,766
not Miss Goldin.
1959
01:48:06,033 --> 01:48:09,500
And that's actually written
in the hospital record.
1960
01:48:15,733 --> 01:48:19,700
My mother had been
sexually abused for years
1961
01:48:19,766 --> 01:48:21,433
by a family member.
1962
01:48:24,466 --> 01:48:26,533
And when my sister
hit puberty,
1963
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,500
my mother couldn't cope
with it.
1964
01:48:29,566 --> 01:48:33,100
(choir continues singing,
chanting indistinctly)
1965
01:48:37,333 --> 01:48:39,233
My sister didn't have
any outlet.
1966
01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:41,333
She didn't have
any context.
1967
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,400
It was not mental illness.
1968
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,366
(singing, chanting continue)
1969
01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:53,633
I just knew how hard it was
for her to be alive.
1970
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,566
She wanted a home so badly.
1971
01:49:01,766 --> 01:49:03,400
If she had found people...
1972
01:49:04,333 --> 01:49:05,533
if she'd been loved...
1973
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,200
she would have survived.
1974
01:49:09,266 --> 01:49:11,266
(song fades out)
1975
01:49:26,733 --> 01:49:29,033
(train horn blaring)
1976
01:49:36,766 --> 01:49:38,466
Narrator:
Persons in the area told police
1977
01:49:38,533 --> 01:49:40,766
they had seen Miss Goldin
a short time before
1978
01:49:41,033 --> 01:49:44,333
when she asked when
the next train was due to pass.
1979
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,466
Shortly before 5:30 p.m.,
persons said,
1980
01:49:47,533 --> 01:49:49,100
Miss Goldin put her pocketbook
1981
01:49:49,166 --> 01:49:51,066
on the ground
next to the tracks,
1982
01:49:51,133 --> 01:49:53,533
then lay down
across the tracks
1983
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,300
as the Capitol Limited
approached.
1984
01:49:56,366 --> 01:49:58,233
The train's engineer
told police
1985
01:49:58,300 --> 01:50:01,266
they saw her
and nailed the brakes
1986
01:50:01,333 --> 01:50:04,066
but were unable
to stop the train.
1987
01:50:04,133 --> 01:50:08,433
Pathological examiner
ruled her death as a suicide.
1988
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:11,766
Other significant conditions
contributing to death:
1989
01:50:12,033 --> 01:50:13,700
Severe mental depression.
1990
01:50:27,066 --> 01:50:29,033
Nan:
I mean, that's the problem,
you know?
1991
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:30,433
You grow up being told,
1992
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:33,533
"That didn't happen.
You didn't see that.
1993
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:34,766
You didn't hear that."
1994
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,533
And what do you do?
1995
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,666
How do you believe yourself?
1996
01:50:39,733 --> 01:50:40,766
How do you trust yourself?
1997
01:50:41,033 --> 01:50:43,033
How do you continue
to trust yourself?
1998
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:47,233
And then how do you
show the world
1999
01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:51,166
that you did experience that,
that you did hear that?
2000
01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:54,133
And so that's the reason
I take pictures.
2001
01:50:57,133 --> 01:50:59,066
Oh.
(chuckles)
2002
01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:05,666
-Nan, what are you...
-Nan: Beautiful,
2003
01:51:05,733 --> 01:51:07,133
you look beautiful.
2004
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,533
-Nan, does that have sound?
-Nan: Yeah.
2005
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:10,700
Oh, my dear!
2006
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,600
Let's go, honey.
2007
01:51:17,300 --> 01:51:20,400
Nan:
My mom's a dance fanatic.
2008
01:51:20,466 --> 01:51:22,366
(laughs)
2009
01:51:22,433 --> 01:51:25,433
And she's gonna teach
her old husband how to move it.
2010
01:51:26,566 --> 01:51:28,300
I like to do this...
2011
01:51:29,666 --> 01:51:31,733
-Nan: Go, Mom!
-Go for it.
2012
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,200
("Mack The Knife" by
The Arthur Murray Orchestra
plays through speakers)
2013
01:51:38,366 --> 01:51:42,100
Nan:
My father and mother were
not equipped to be parents.
2014
01:51:44,366 --> 01:51:48,333
They had children
because it was expected,
2015
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,100
more than it was
about nurturing
2016
01:51:50,166 --> 01:51:51,766
other human beings.
2017
01:51:52,033 --> 01:51:54,000
Wait a minute. Let me see--
2018
01:51:54,066 --> 01:51:56,066
Nan:
That looks good!
2019
01:51:56,133 --> 01:51:59,000
Mrs. Goldin:
One, two, three...
2020
01:52:00,433 --> 01:52:01,400
Nan:
Yeah, but hold it up more.
2021
01:52:01,466 --> 01:52:03,066
Mr. Goldin:
Is that high enough?
2022
01:52:03,133 --> 01:52:04,300
Nan.
Wait, let me focus this.
2023
01:52:04,366 --> 01:52:06,066
-Yeah, that's beautiful.
-Mr. Goldin: You can see it?
2024
01:52:06,133 --> 01:52:07,766
Mrs. Goldin:
Barbara loved Nan very much.
2025
01:52:08,033 --> 01:52:09,633
They were very, very close.
2026
01:52:13,466 --> 01:52:16,300
When she died,
she had in her pocketbook
2027
01:52:16,366 --> 01:52:19,100
a very beautiful,
small book of "Psalms."
2028
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,466
And she had this
wonderful quotation from...
2029
01:52:23,533 --> 01:52:24,600
Con-- Conrad.
2030
01:52:24,666 --> 01:52:26,266
..."The Heart of Darkness."
2031
01:52:27,066 --> 01:52:28,033
Joseph Conrad.
2032
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:30,400
She was also,
like Nan,
2033
01:52:30,466 --> 01:52:32,166
a very wide reader.
2034
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,500
And I have
the quotation upstairs,
2035
01:52:36,566 --> 01:52:39,500
but it had in it
something about...
2036
01:52:43,133 --> 01:52:44,233
uh...
2037
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:48,666
-Can you stop?
-Nan: Yeah.
2038
01:52:48,733 --> 01:52:51,266
-You should get the quotation.
-Stop.
2039
01:52:51,333 --> 01:52:53,233
Mrs. Goldin:
Something about regrets.
2040
01:52:53,300 --> 01:52:55,533
Yeah. Infinite regrets.
2041
01:53:02,633 --> 01:53:04,400
Is it on now?
2042
01:53:04,466 --> 01:53:07,033
Quotation from
"Heart of Darkness"...
2043
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:09,000
Nan:
And it was just written
on a piece of paper?
2044
01:53:09,066 --> 01:53:10,400
Was-- yeah.
2045
01:53:10,466 --> 01:53:15,066
"It's a droll thing life is,
that mysterious arrangement
2046
01:53:15,133 --> 01:53:19,366
"of merciless logic
for a futile purpose.
2047
01:53:19,433 --> 01:53:23,766
"The most you can hope for
is some knowledge of yourself...
2048
01:53:34,633 --> 01:53:36,200
"that comes too late...
2049
01:53:38,066 --> 01:53:41,100
A crop of
unextinguishable regrets."
2050
01:54:03,733 --> 01:54:06,333
Nan:
I think this story
is an important story,
2051
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:07,633
not just for me...
2052
01:54:08,633 --> 01:54:11,200
but for society.
2053
01:54:14,533 --> 01:54:18,033
About conformity and denial.
2054
01:54:20,033 --> 01:54:21,700
And also about stigma.
2055
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,166
The wrong things
are kept secret,
2056
01:54:26,233 --> 01:54:28,366
and that destroys people.
2057
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,333
My sister was
a victim of all that,
2058
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,266
but she knew
how to fight back.
2059
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:44,300
Her rebellion was
the starting point for my own.
2060
01:54:47,033 --> 01:54:48,600
She showed me the way.
2061
01:54:53,566 --> 01:54:55,633
-Let's turn off for a minute.
-Laura: Yeah.
2062
01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:58,000
(recorder clicks)
2063
01:55:02,266 --> 01:55:06,666
(light music playing)
2064
01:55:09,666 --> 01:55:14,233
♪ ♪
2065
01:55:25,666 --> 01:55:26,766
Harry:
Oh wow.
2066
01:55:30,266 --> 01:55:31,333
(chuckles)
2067
01:55:35,033 --> 01:55:38,133
♪ ♪
2068
01:55:43,733 --> 01:55:45,066
Nan: Wow.
2069
01:55:53,566 --> 01:55:54,766
Nan:
We did it, baby.
2070
01:55:55,033 --> 01:55:56,600
Friend:
Unbelievable.
2071
01:56:00,433 --> 01:56:01,700
Nan:
Four years of work.
2072
01:56:01,766 --> 01:56:03,666
I mean,
Congress didn't do anything.
2073
01:56:03,733 --> 01:56:06,533
Justice Department
hasn't done anything.
2074
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:08,166
Bankruptcy court, f-- you know,
2075
01:56:08,233 --> 01:56:12,766
completely... left them
better than ever.
2076
01:56:13,033 --> 01:56:15,700
You know, completely--
they're completely vindicated
2077
01:56:15,766 --> 01:56:17,466
by bankruptcy court.
2078
01:56:17,533 --> 01:56:19,700
And so this is the only place
they're being held accountable,
2079
01:56:19,766 --> 01:56:21,600
the only place!
2080
01:56:21,666 --> 01:56:23,066
And we did it.
2081
01:56:23,133 --> 01:56:25,466
(happy chatter)
2082
01:56:29,166 --> 01:56:30,300
Megan:
Wow...
2083
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:36,000
Patrick:
Oh, my goodness.
What a feeling, huh?
2084
01:56:36,066 --> 01:56:39,400
-Incredible.
-It's amazing.
2085
01:56:39,466 --> 01:56:43,000
Megan:
The Sacklers
are now "private sources."
2086
01:56:43,066 --> 01:56:45,033
It doesn't--
here, stay there.
2087
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:48,433
It doesn't say
what private sources.
2088
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:50,000
(both laugh)
2089
01:56:50,533 --> 01:56:52,100
Beautiful!
2090
01:56:52,166 --> 01:56:54,766
-Oh man!
-Megan: It's so good!
2091
01:56:55,033 --> 01:56:56,366
It's hard to believe.
2092
01:56:59,233 --> 01:57:02,233
♪ ♪
2093
01:57:45,366 --> 01:57:50,100
(solemn choir
singing indistinctly)
2094
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,766
("Unsuffer Me" by
Lucinda Williams Playing)
2095
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,466
♪ ♪
2096
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:59,000
♪ Unlock my love ♪
2097
01:58:59,066 --> 01:59:03,100
♪ And set me free ♪
2098
01:59:03,166 --> 01:59:07,166
♪ Come fill me up ♪
2099
01:59:07,233 --> 01:59:11,033
♪ With ecstasy ♪
2100
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:15,266
♪ Surround my heartbeat
with your fingertips ♪
2101
01:59:15,333 --> 01:59:19,333
♪ Unbound my feet
untie my wrists ♪
2102
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:23,400
♪ Come into my world
of loneliness ♪
2103
01:59:23,466 --> 01:59:27,500
♪ And wickedness
and bitterness ♪
2104
01:59:27,566 --> 01:59:30,600
♪ Unlock my love ♪
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