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Everyone has bottles? 9 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,100 -You okay? -Person 4: You ready to go in? 10 00:00:56,166 --> 00:00:57,266 Let's go. 11 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:07,266 (indistinct chatter) 12 00:01:11,166 --> 00:01:13,400 Nan: There's a guard walking around looking puzzled. 13 00:01:13,466 --> 00:01:16,100 I think he's trying to count the number of people. 14 00:01:23,033 --> 00:01:24,533 I'm really nervous, man. 15 00:01:26,266 --> 00:01:29,533 -Let's start. -Yes, let's do it, go. 16 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,666 Nan: Mic check. 17 00:01:30,733 --> 00:01:31,766 Group: Mic check! 18 00:01:32,033 --> 00:01:34,100 -Nan: Mic check. -Group: Mic check! 19 00:01:34,166 --> 00:01:36,000 A hundred thousand dead. 20 00:01:36,066 --> 00:01:37,700 Group: A hundred thousand dead! 21 00:01:37,766 --> 00:01:40,700 -A hundred thousand dead! -Group: A hundred thousand dead! 22 00:01:40,766 --> 00:01:43,700 Don't do anything. You can't do anything as far as-- 23 00:01:43,766 --> 00:01:45,100 Nan: Temple of death. 24 00:01:45,166 --> 00:01:46,766 Group: Temple of death! 25 00:01:47,033 --> 00:01:48,266 Temple of money. 26 00:01:48,333 --> 00:01:50,200 Group: Temple of money! 27 00:01:50,266 --> 00:01:51,333 Nan: Temple of greed. 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Group: Temple of greed! 29 00:01:53,266 --> 00:01:54,600 Nan: Temple of Oxy. 30 00:01:54,666 --> 00:01:56,500 Group: Temple of Oxy! 31 00:01:56,566 --> 00:01:58,333 Nan: Sacklers lie. 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Group: Sacklers lie! 33 00:02:00,266 --> 00:02:01,633 Nan: Thousands die. 34 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:03,600 Group: Thousands die! 35 00:02:03,666 --> 00:02:05,366 Nan: The Sacklers knew... 36 00:02:05,433 --> 00:02:07,400 Group: The Sacklers knew... 37 00:02:07,466 --> 00:02:09,166 ...their pills would kill. 38 00:02:09,233 --> 00:02:11,500 Group: ...their pills would kill! 39 00:02:11,566 --> 00:02:13,233 Person 1: They built this wing! 40 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:14,700 Person 2: They killed this space! 41 00:02:14,766 --> 00:02:15,733 Take this outside. 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,566 (indistinct chatter) 43 00:02:17,633 --> 00:02:20,133 (cheering and applause) 44 00:02:33,133 --> 00:02:34,366 Sacklers lie! 45 00:02:34,433 --> 00:02:35,566 Group: People die! 46 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:36,766 Sacklers lie! 47 00:02:37,033 --> 00:02:38,133 Group: People die! 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,466 -Protester: Sacklers lie! -Group: People die! 49 00:02:40,533 --> 00:02:43,133 -Protester: Sacklers lie! -Group: People die! 50 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,533 -Protester: Sacklers lie! -Group: People die! 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,233 Protester: Sacklers lie and people die! 52 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:51,500 ("The Cold Song" by Klaus Nomi playing) 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,300 ♪ ♪ 54 00:03:23,066 --> 00:03:25,466 ♪ ♪ 55 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,033 ♪ What power art thou? ♪ 56 00:03:50,566 --> 00:03:55,066 ♪ Who from below... ♪ 57 00:03:55,133 --> 00:03:57,700 Nan: It's easy to make your life into stories. 58 00:03:59,766 --> 00:04:02,433 But it's harder to... 59 00:04:04,066 --> 00:04:05,666 sustain real memories. 60 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:10,100 Laura Poitras: What do you mean? 61 00:04:13,033 --> 00:04:14,466 Nan: Well, the difference between the story 62 00:04:14,533 --> 00:04:15,666 and the real memory. 63 00:04:19,466 --> 00:04:23,133 The real experience has a smell and is dirty 64 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,666 and is not wrapped up in... 65 00:04:25,466 --> 00:04:27,200 simple endings. 66 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:35,733 The real memories 67 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,300 are what affects me now. 68 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:45,133 Things can appear that you didn't want to see, 69 00:04:46,133 --> 00:04:47,733 where you're not safe. 70 00:04:49,566 --> 00:04:52,000 And even if you don't actually 71 00:04:52,066 --> 00:04:54,600 unleash the memories, the effect is there. 72 00:04:55,733 --> 00:04:57,233 It's in your body. 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,333 (wind howling) 74 00:05:23,066 --> 00:05:24,166 Person: Alright. 75 00:05:29,766 --> 00:05:35,000 (opera aria "Norma: Casta Diva" playing) 76 00:06:17,533 --> 00:06:21,433 ♪ ♪ 77 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,400 (song fades out) 78 00:06:30,666 --> 00:06:33,633 Nan: It was a claustrophobic suburb. 79 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,200 " Don't let the neighbors know." 80 00:06:36,266 --> 00:06:38,200 My mother used to say that all the time. 81 00:06:38,266 --> 00:06:40,600 It wasn't just an attitude. 82 00:06:40,666 --> 00:06:42,300 Actually, the neighbors did know, 83 00:06:42,366 --> 00:06:43,433 we found out years later, 84 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:44,700 'cause there was so much screaming 85 00:06:44,766 --> 00:06:46,066 in the house. 86 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:50,066 Laura: Tell me about your sister. 87 00:06:50,133 --> 00:06:51,233 (projector clicking) 88 00:06:54,066 --> 00:06:55,666 Nan: My mother insisted 89 00:06:55,733 --> 00:06:59,066 that Barbara speak in full sentences 90 00:06:59,133 --> 00:07:01,533 at the age of one. 91 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,633 And so she stopped talking for at least a year and a half. 92 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:11,466 Yeah, that was the first act of rebellion by my sister. 93 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:22,066 She would just wash my hair or hold me 94 00:07:22,133 --> 00:07:24,533 or these kind of things that you need 95 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,700 when you're a kid. 96 00:07:27,166 --> 00:07:28,666 And she knew how to do that, 97 00:07:28,733 --> 00:07:31,633 even though she hadn't been mothered 98 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:33,000 in that way. 99 00:07:36,266 --> 00:07:39,133 She made me aware at a very young age 100 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,666 about the banality and deadening grip of suburbia. 101 00:07:51,766 --> 00:07:53,666 She had a wildness to her. 102 00:07:59,366 --> 00:08:01,300 She played the piano constantly. 103 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:04,400 Chopin, 104 00:08:04,466 --> 00:08:07,400 Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky... 105 00:08:07,466 --> 00:08:09,133 And you could tell how she was feeling 106 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,500 by how she was playing. 107 00:08:15,033 --> 00:08:17,200 The parakeets would sit on her shoulders 108 00:08:17,266 --> 00:08:18,466 while she played. 109 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 She trusted me with all her secrets. 110 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,766 She went on Saturday nights to the movies 111 00:08:32,033 --> 00:08:33,466 to make out with boys. 112 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:38,533 That was when she stood up for herself 113 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,033 and yelled back. 114 00:08:42,666 --> 00:08:45,100 And she talked to me about feelings 115 00:08:45,166 --> 00:08:46,300 for other girls. 116 00:08:49,566 --> 00:08:52,300 It was a period of sexual repression. 117 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:55,233 And she was made to fear her sexuality. 118 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,366 And a lot of it was her need to be held. 119 00:09:06,233 --> 00:09:10,233 She had a saying: "Lean cat, savage cat." 120 00:09:12,566 --> 00:09:14,766 I felt very close to her. 121 00:09:15,033 --> 00:09:17,766 But she was in and out of institutions 122 00:09:18,033 --> 00:09:19,733 for most of my childhood. 123 00:09:22,666 --> 00:09:25,166 Once they started sending her away, 124 00:09:25,233 --> 00:09:26,633 they kept sending her away. 125 00:09:30,633 --> 00:09:34,700 My parents took away her credibility and... 126 00:09:34,766 --> 00:09:38,066 silenced her by calling her "mentally ill." 127 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,533 The police came into the house. 128 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,700 My father started wailing on the front lawn. 129 00:09:51,766 --> 00:09:54,033 Wailing. 130 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:57,000 They were talking to my mother, saying that 131 00:09:57,066 --> 00:10:00,133 "We found your daughter, and she committed suicide." 132 00:10:02,066 --> 00:10:03,700 And I heard my mother say, 133 00:10:03,766 --> 00:10:05,733 "Tell the children it was an accident." 134 00:10:08,266 --> 00:10:12,000 My interpretation from that minute was... 135 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:14,100 denial. 136 00:10:14,166 --> 00:10:16,266 She didn't want us to know the truth. 137 00:10:18,733 --> 00:10:20,333 That's when it clicked. 138 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:40,300 (indistinct chatter) 139 00:10:40,366 --> 00:10:43,666 Nan: Okay, let's try it towards the left. 140 00:10:54,166 --> 00:10:56,433 -Yeah. -Or, like, in the middle? 141 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:57,566 I don't know. 142 00:10:57,633 --> 00:10:59,433 Can you move over to the right? 143 00:11:00,533 --> 00:11:02,066 Keep going. Okay. 144 00:11:02,133 --> 00:11:04,600 I can't really see because your body-- 145 00:11:04,666 --> 00:11:06,033 Thank you. 146 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,166 Wow. 147 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:10,200 Do you like it? 148 00:11:10,266 --> 00:11:12,133 Okay, I just want to see one more thing. 149 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,633 Can you switch these two? 150 00:11:15,166 --> 00:11:17,400 Okay. And one more idea. 151 00:11:17,466 --> 00:11:19,066 A couple more ideas. 152 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:21,233 I could do this all night. 153 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:22,766 (chuckles) Watch out. 154 00:11:24,133 --> 00:11:25,233 Yeah. 155 00:11:30,133 --> 00:11:33,266 I was thinking about this last night that... 156 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:35,500 people talk about all kinds of relationships 157 00:11:35,566 --> 00:11:37,166 with their partner, 158 00:11:37,233 --> 00:11:40,433 their children, their parents and... 159 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,766 the relationships that have mattered most to me, 160 00:11:43,033 --> 00:11:45,033 probably my whole life, are my friends. 161 00:11:46,466 --> 00:11:49,400 I, I only escaped because of my friends. 162 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:51,366 Right. 163 00:11:55,233 --> 00:11:57,400 Yeah, that's better. That's perfect. 164 00:12:00,433 --> 00:12:02,533 (pensive music playing) 165 00:12:09,533 --> 00:12:12,133 Nan: "I survived the opioid crisis. 166 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:15,366 "I narrowly escaped. 167 00:12:17,466 --> 00:12:19,633 "My relationship to OxyContin 168 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,066 "began several years ago in Berlin. 169 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,733 "It was originally prescribed for surgery. 170 00:12:28,033 --> 00:12:32,766 "Though I took it as directed, I got addicted overnight. 171 00:12:33,033 --> 00:12:36,266 "In the beginning, 40 milligrams was too strong. 172 00:12:36,333 --> 00:12:39,266 "But as my habit grew, there was never enough. 173 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,600 "I went from three pills a day, as prescribed, to 18. 174 00:12:47,166 --> 00:12:50,266 "The drug, like all drugs, lost its effect. 175 00:12:50,333 --> 00:12:52,166 "So I picked up the straw. 176 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,766 "My life revolved entirely 177 00:12:56,033 --> 00:12:58,266 "around getting and using Oxy. 178 00:12:58,333 --> 00:13:01,400 "Counting and recounting, crushing and snorting 179 00:13:01,466 --> 00:13:03,100 "was my full-time job. 180 00:13:07,066 --> 00:13:08,333 "When I got out of treatment, 181 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,366 "I learned that the Sackler family, 182 00:13:10,433 --> 00:13:13,066 "whose name I knew from museums and galleries, 183 00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:15,400 "were responsible for the epidemic. 184 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:20,000 "The Sackler family and their private company, 185 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:22,500 "Purdue Pharma, advertised and distributed 186 00:13:22,566 --> 00:13:25,466 "their medication knowing all the dangers. 187 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:30,166 "I've started a group, P.A.I.N., 188 00:13:30,233 --> 00:13:31,666 "to hold them accountable. 189 00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:37,066 "To get their ear, we will target their philanthropy. 190 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:39,133 "They have washed their blood money through the halls 191 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,700 of museums and universities around the world." 192 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,533 David Velasco: I had no idea that it was going 193 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,333 to actually have the traction that it did. 194 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,633 It's definitely among the, if not the most, 195 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,400 uh, proud moments of my tenure 196 00:13:59,466 --> 00:14:01,333 as editor of the magazine. 197 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:04,266 She knew how to use her power. These are-- 198 00:14:04,333 --> 00:14:05,766 You know, she's a figure that these museums 199 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:07,266 also wanted to work with, 200 00:14:07,333 --> 00:14:08,466 they want in their collections. 201 00:14:08,533 --> 00:14:11,600 She's a-- um, a major name in the art world. 202 00:14:11,666 --> 00:14:13,733 When she published the portfolio that-- 203 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,066 it was the fact that she was doing it that mattered. 204 00:14:16,133 --> 00:14:17,700 You know, I knew this would put her on the line 205 00:14:17,766 --> 00:14:20,433 in a real serious way and, um, 206 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:22,100 I was concerned for her safety. 207 00:14:22,166 --> 00:14:24,633 Um, I was concerned for, um, 208 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:27,400 you know, whether she would be 209 00:14:27,466 --> 00:14:28,766 drummed out of the art world, you know. 210 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:31,733 I mean, I think that, uh, 211 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,300 she was taking on a very powerful family, 212 00:14:34,366 --> 00:14:36,133 one of the most powerful families. 213 00:14:40,566 --> 00:14:43,533 Nan: I mean, if anyone belongs in jail, it's these people. 214 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,666 -Yes. - Yeah, of course. 215 00:14:44,733 --> 00:14:46,200 And as long as there's a jail, 216 00:14:46,266 --> 00:14:47,233 they should be in it... 217 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:48,366 (laughter) 218 00:14:48,433 --> 00:14:51,300 ...until the whole prison system is dismantled. 219 00:14:51,366 --> 00:14:52,766 They should be the last to leave. 220 00:14:53,033 --> 00:14:54,233 Group Member: Yeah. (laughing) 221 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:56,633 -Last one, lights out. -Last one. Yeah. (laughing) 222 00:14:57,733 --> 00:15:01,000 After I met Nan and we connected 223 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:02,633 on, like, levels of... 224 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:06,466 you know, having, uh, experience with addiction 225 00:15:06,533 --> 00:15:07,433 and stuff like that, 226 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:08,766 she said, "Why don't you come 227 00:15:09,033 --> 00:15:11,100 to one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?" 228 00:15:12,466 --> 00:15:14,066 Most members of P.A.I.N. have 229 00:15:14,133 --> 00:15:17,000 a direct experience with addiction 230 00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:18,666 or loss of a loved one. 231 00:15:18,733 --> 00:15:23,000 We have members who lost their children, 232 00:15:23,066 --> 00:15:25,166 um, to overdose, 233 00:15:25,233 --> 00:15:28,000 that have family members who are struggling, 234 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:30,000 or that they themselves have struggled. 235 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:33,066 - You're right. -Yeah, but death is the bottom line of this, 236 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:35,033 and that should be reminded. 237 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:36,666 We should do a die-in of some sort. 238 00:15:36,733 --> 00:15:38,566 Group Member: Do we want to marshal numbers? 239 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:41,500 -But each of us will be then responsible, like the-- -Trusted friends. 240 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:43,400 Marina Berio: The focus on the family? 241 00:15:43,466 --> 00:15:44,533 I would say there-- 242 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,200 there was a little bit of fear in the group 243 00:15:46,266 --> 00:15:48,000 about, like, going straight for them, 244 00:15:48,066 --> 00:15:50,000 although we felt that we should. 245 00:15:50,066 --> 00:15:52,533 Yeah, this is the decisive one. 246 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,100 Noemi Bonazzi: Nan actually said, 247 00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:56,666 "Do you think my career will implode?" 248 00:15:56,733 --> 00:15:58,500 And I said, "Probably." 249 00:15:58,566 --> 00:16:01,300 And I said, "Yes, that's very-- 250 00:16:01,366 --> 00:16:03,766 "these are very scary, powerful people. 251 00:16:04,033 --> 00:16:06,400 But then again, what else can you do?" 252 00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:08,300 And, and she said, "I think we should 253 00:16:08,366 --> 00:16:10,300 take these people down." 254 00:16:10,366 --> 00:16:13,400 And I said, "Well, I'm, I'm with you." 255 00:16:13,466 --> 00:16:18,000 And then we started meeting and we would sit in Nan's house 256 00:16:18,066 --> 00:16:21,200 and dream up of, of, of things we wanted to do. 257 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,766 Group Member: He's really sweet. 258 00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:29,700 Nan: He's sweet on Alex, man. 259 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,333 Go on. 260 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:44,766 Patrick Radden Keefe: Let's see where it all starts here. 261 00:16:45,033 --> 00:16:46,333 I mean, there's literally so many of these 262 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,200 that it's hard for me to find. 263 00:16:50,266 --> 00:16:53,466 Yes, this is September 2019. 264 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,333 I get this legal hold notice. 265 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,166 "Dear Mr. Keefe, I write on behalf of my clients, 266 00:16:58,233 --> 00:17:00,233 "members of the Raymond Sackler family. 267 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:02,433 "You are hereby directed to preserve 268 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,433 "and not to destroy, conceal, or alter 269 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,333 "any and all documents and communications 270 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,633 "in your possession that relate in any way 271 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,566 "to any members of the Sackler family, 272 00:17:11,633 --> 00:17:15,066 "the article, Purdue Pharma, and/or OxyContin..." 273 00:17:15,133 --> 00:17:16,366 And on and on and on. 274 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,166 One of the things that's so strange 275 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:22,000 about the Sackler family is that 276 00:17:22,066 --> 00:17:24,166 we talk about them in monolithic terms, 277 00:17:24,233 --> 00:17:26,733 but really it's three families and... 278 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,366 they spring from these three original brothers, 279 00:17:29,433 --> 00:17:31,766 Arthur, Mortimer, and Raymond. 280 00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:33,533 Narrator: His name is Arthur Sackler. 281 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,500 For 40 years, he has brought energy, 282 00:17:35,566 --> 00:17:37,766 goodwill, and intelligence to art. 283 00:17:39,033 --> 00:17:40,333 He owns thousands of works, 284 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,500 presently displayed not only at the Metropolitan Museum, 285 00:17:43,566 --> 00:17:45,600 but in university collections as well. 286 00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:48,333 (applause) 287 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,200 Knowing that the goal of peace 288 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:53,600 is engraved in your hearts, 289 00:17:53,666 --> 00:17:57,733 Mrs. Sackler and I present to you this verse... 290 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,033 Patrick: Arthur dies before the introduction of OxyContin. 291 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:03,566 And yet so much of what's happened 292 00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:07,066 is, in part, a function of Arthur's legacy. 293 00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,066 His contemporaries knew him 294 00:18:10,133 --> 00:18:12,000 as this kind of great art collector 295 00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:13,233 and this philanthropist. 296 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:15,433 And the dirty secret was that 297 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:18,733 he had come to this position of prominence and great wealth 298 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,366 through the marketing of this drug, 299 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,233 which also happened to be quite addictive. 300 00:18:23,366 --> 00:18:24,633 He creates 301 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:28,033 a whole means of selling Valium 302 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:30,600 in which you're targeting doctors. 303 00:18:30,666 --> 00:18:33,266 He devised a compensation scheme 304 00:18:33,333 --> 00:18:37,333 in which he would get paid a series of escalating bonuses 305 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,066 based on how much Valium they sold. 306 00:18:39,133 --> 00:18:41,233 Well, Valium becomes the best-selling drug 307 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:44,500 in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. 308 00:18:44,566 --> 00:18:45,766 Narrator: From his personal collection, 309 00:18:46,033 --> 00:18:48,433 Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche 310 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:50,400 to select a thousand pieces, 311 00:18:50,466 --> 00:18:53,133 the best from a lifetime of collecting. 312 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:57,333 Patrick: The whole Sackler enterprise 313 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,566 has been about marketing, the marketing of OxyContin, 314 00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:03,200 but also the marketing of the family name. 315 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:04,700 There's the family of the art world 316 00:19:04,766 --> 00:19:07,033 and the museum world and philanthropy. 317 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:10,400 And then there's the kind of grubby, 318 00:19:10,466 --> 00:19:13,633 unpleasant story of... 319 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:17,433 big pharma marketing and addiction and death. 320 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,300 Don't be afraid to take what they give you. 321 00:19:20,366 --> 00:19:23,366 Often, it will be an opioid medication. 322 00:19:23,433 --> 00:19:26,600 Some patients may be afraid of taking opioids 323 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:31,100 because they're perceived as too strong, or addictive. 324 00:19:31,166 --> 00:19:34,333 But that is far from actual fact. 325 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,533 Patrick: The Sacklers owned Purdue, 326 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,466 this company that set out very deliberately 327 00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:40,700 to change the way in which 328 00:19:40,766 --> 00:19:42,533 these strong opioids were prescribed 329 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,066 and to do so by claiming that they weren't addictive. 330 00:19:47,133 --> 00:19:49,500 A week or two after my article came out, 331 00:19:49,566 --> 00:19:52,500 I get this email, this kind of cryptic email 332 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:54,700 from the studio of Nan Goldin that said, 333 00:19:54,766 --> 00:19:58,066 "The photographer Nan Goldin would like to meet with you." 334 00:19:58,133 --> 00:20:00,533 And I was a little mystified, didn't know what it was about. 335 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,500 But we, we set up a meeting. 336 00:20:02,566 --> 00:20:04,466 She had this kind of "Roll up your sleeves. 337 00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:06,500 "We gotta do something! We gotta organize! 338 00:20:06,566 --> 00:20:08,133 We gotta get out there!" 339 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,600 And I, I probably was-- 340 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,166 I mean, I blush to think, but I probably was sort of 341 00:20:15,233 --> 00:20:17,633 gently patronizing and said, "Well, good for you," 342 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,600 you know, "Glad to hear it. You keep me posted on that." 343 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:33,466 Nan: I love working in a material I know. 344 00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:36,166 -Blue Valium bottles. -(laughter) 345 00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:40,500 Nan: My anger at the Sackler family, 346 00:20:40,566 --> 00:20:42,000 it's personal. 347 00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:43,700 I, I hate these people. 348 00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:48,566 But it's not about my own addiction. 349 00:20:48,633 --> 00:20:53,166 I mean, when you think of the profit off people's pain, 350 00:20:53,233 --> 00:20:56,333 you can only be furious about it. 351 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,600 Protester: Sacklers lie, people die. 352 00:20:58,666 --> 00:21:00,466 Fund harm reduction now! 353 00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:02,500 Group: Sacklers lie, people die. 354 00:21:02,566 --> 00:21:04,433 Fund harm reduction now! 355 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,400 Sacklers lie, people die! 356 00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:08,266 Fund harm reduction now! 357 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,333 Group: Sacklers lie, people die. 358 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,633 Fund harm reduction now. 359 00:21:17,466 --> 00:21:21,333 Noemi: We consciously talked about Act Up 360 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,166 and what Act Up had done. 361 00:21:23,233 --> 00:21:25,200 And how we wanted, 362 00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:30,466 uh, for these actions to make an impact. 363 00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:35,500 This idea of a bottle was the first object we created. 364 00:21:35,566 --> 00:21:38,600 Nan: All the museums, institutions 365 00:21:38,666 --> 00:21:42,033 need to stop taking money 366 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:45,400 from these corrupt, evil bastards. 367 00:21:45,466 --> 00:21:48,300 (cheering and applause) 368 00:21:51,366 --> 00:21:52,466 (projector clicking) 369 00:22:00,033 --> 00:22:01,666 Nan: I got thrown out of every school 370 00:22:01,733 --> 00:22:04,033 and every house that I lived. 371 00:22:06,233 --> 00:22:08,733 I got thrown out of my parents' home. 372 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,266 I got thrown out of my foster family. 373 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:14,533 I got thrown out of the communal foster family. 374 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,100 -Laura: Seriously? -Nan: Yeah. 375 00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:18,266 There's not one I can think of that-- 376 00:22:21,533 --> 00:22:23,400 Yeah, I made an art of it. 377 00:22:25,066 --> 00:22:30,100 Laura: Okay, but why were you with foster parents? 378 00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:32,333 Nan: A psychiatrist told my father 379 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,300 that if I stayed in the house, 380 00:22:35,366 --> 00:22:38,700 the same thing would happen as what happened with Barbara. 381 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:42,233 So my parents sent me to a foster agency. 382 00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:47,333 It was the Jewish adoption agency 383 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,633 on Beacon Hill. 384 00:22:50,233 --> 00:22:51,566 Yeah. 385 00:22:51,633 --> 00:22:53,466 I must have been 14. 386 00:22:55,233 --> 00:22:58,100 The woman of the house straightened my hair. 387 00:22:58,166 --> 00:23:01,000 She wanted me to be a WASP basically. 388 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,366 I remember when I first went there, 389 00:23:06,433 --> 00:23:10,033 I projectile vomited all over my room. 390 00:23:11,033 --> 00:23:12,533 I must have been terrified. 391 00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:17,700 I didn't remember that till now. 392 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:25,333 I landed in a hippie free school 393 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,733 that couldn't throw me out. 394 00:23:30,133 --> 00:23:32,166 Satya School saved my life. 395 00:23:36,233 --> 00:23:40,000 I was shy beyond social phobia, 396 00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:42,700 like crippling shyness. 397 00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:48,266 There were, like, six months that I didn't speak at all. 398 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,333 I think my sister's suicide had silenced me. 399 00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,366 Until I met David. 400 00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:03,366 He said I was still speaking in a whisper. 401 00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:09,733 I was 15. He was 14. 402 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,500 ("All Tomorrow's Parties" by The Velvet Underground playing) 403 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,566 He was a vision to me. 404 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,700 ♪ ♪ 405 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,133 (song stops, projector clicks) 406 00:24:30,566 --> 00:24:33,500 We met each other, both stealing steaks. 407 00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:37,400 We were shoplifting. 408 00:24:37,466 --> 00:24:41,466 Both of us converged in the steak department. 409 00:24:41,533 --> 00:24:43,533 -Laura: Are you serious? -Nan: Yeah. 410 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Oh, I, I was a great shoplifter 411 00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:48,200 pretty much all my life. 412 00:24:48,266 --> 00:24:50,133 I'm not sure how good I am anymore, 413 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,766 but that's how we became friends. 414 00:24:56,366 --> 00:24:58,500 David was a great wit. 415 00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:02,600 Very ironic, very precise. 416 00:25:02,666 --> 00:25:06,566 And that was the coin of the realm. 417 00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:10,233 He taught me to use humor as a survival mechanism. 418 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:17,000 He had this elegance, and he was very androgynous, 419 00:25:17,066 --> 00:25:19,500 which was something I was really attracted to. 420 00:25:24,033 --> 00:25:27,533 And one night, we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm, 421 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,500 'cause I was between homes, 422 00:25:29,566 --> 00:25:33,166 and he laid down on the bed and I laid down next to him. 423 00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:36,300 And he got up and laid down on the floor. 424 00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:40,366 And I said, "Are you gay?" 425 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,533 And a light came on for him. 426 00:25:48,366 --> 00:25:49,733 He always said that it was 427 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 the first time somebody recognized him. 428 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,100 Then he named me Nan. 429 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:01,566 So I brought him out, and he named me Nan. 430 00:26:04,433 --> 00:26:06,233 So we liberated each other. 431 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,466 David was the eye of my storm. 432 00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:20,266 David and Tommy in a sandpit. 433 00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:23,000 That's one of my first photographs. 434 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:34,766 We all got cameras from Polaroid. 435 00:26:35,033 --> 00:26:38,366 I attached to it more than anybody else at the school. 436 00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:44,533 It was the only language I spoke at the time. 437 00:26:46,766 --> 00:26:50,100 Suddenly I had, you know, a personality. 438 00:26:50,166 --> 00:26:51,666 And it gave me a voice. 439 00:26:56,533 --> 00:26:59,566 Photography was always a way to walk through fear. 440 00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:03,266 Taking a picture is kind of protective. 441 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,066 It gave me a reason to be there. 442 00:27:18,633 --> 00:27:21,500 ("Cheree" by Suicide playing) 443 00:27:24,433 --> 00:27:26,633 ♪ ♪ 444 00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:36,533 David was living with this most beautiful queen 445 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,000 in Cambridge . 446 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,566 Very quickly, I moved in with them. 447 00:27:42,633 --> 00:27:45,033 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 448 00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:50,266 ♪ Oh, baby... ♪ 449 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:54,433 Nan: We went to Goodwill pretty much every day. 450 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,333 All the rich women were giving their clothes to Goodwill, 451 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,566 and they were exquisite clothes. 452 00:28:00,633 --> 00:28:02,566 ♪ I love you ♪ 453 00:28:02,633 --> 00:28:05,033 Nan: Like Fortuny gowns. 454 00:28:06,766 --> 00:28:08,700 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 455 00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:15,466 Nan: And we went to The Other Side every night. 456 00:28:15,533 --> 00:28:18,166 Right away, I felt at home there. 457 00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:21,433 ♪ Oh, I love you ♪ 458 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,200 Nan: I remember being really excited to take pictures at that time. 459 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,733 (song fades out) 460 00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,266 It was like a flash of euphoria. 461 00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:35,366 I know when, you know, a picture works. 462 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,200 I get a rush. 463 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,366 I would have the film developed in a pharmacy, 464 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:48,466 and each of them would make 465 00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:50,400 a pile of the pictures of themselves 466 00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:54,000 and compete to see who had the biggest pile. 467 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:56,066 If they didn't like one of the pictures, 468 00:28:56,133 --> 00:28:59,233 they tore them up, and that was okay with me. 469 00:29:01,266 --> 00:29:04,200 I've always wanted the people in the pictures 470 00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:06,233 to be proud of being in the work. 471 00:29:09,566 --> 00:29:13,533 People have said, "Oh, I didn't know I was that beautiful." 472 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400 Which is, you know, what I want them to feel. 473 00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:23,733 My roommates, 474 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,133 they were running away from America, 475 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:30,733 and they found each other. 476 00:29:34,466 --> 00:29:36,366 They didn't think, "We're pioneers." 477 00:29:36,433 --> 00:29:38,066 You know, "We're rebels." 478 00:29:38,133 --> 00:29:39,366 They just were. 479 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,766 It was about living out what they needed to live out 480 00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:47,300 in spite of the reaction from the outside world. 481 00:29:48,566 --> 00:29:50,733 ("What Makes a Man" by Charles Aznavour playing) 482 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,233 ♪ There's always those to spoil our games ♪ 483 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,033 ♪ By finding fault and calling names ♪ 484 00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,300 ♪ Always accusing ♪ 485 00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:03,033 ♪ We love each other but it seems ♪ 486 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,700 ♪ The love lives only in my dreams ♪ 487 00:30:06,766 --> 00:30:10,666 ♪ It's so one-sided ♪ 488 00:30:10,733 --> 00:30:13,300 ♪ But in this life I must confess ♪ 489 00:30:13,366 --> 00:30:16,633 ♪ The search for love and happiness ♪ 490 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:21,000 ♪ Is unrequited ♪ 491 00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:23,666 ♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪ 492 00:30:23,733 --> 00:30:27,266 ♪ And what I am and what I'm not ♪ 493 00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:31,400 ♪ What am I giving? ♪ 494 00:30:31,466 --> 00:30:34,133 ♪ Then answers come from those who make ♪ 495 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,733 ♪ The rules that some of us must break ♪ 496 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,166 ♪ Just to keep living ♪ 497 00:30:42,233 --> 00:30:44,700 ♪ I know my life is not a crime ♪ 498 00:30:44,766 --> 00:30:48,466 ♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪ 499 00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:52,666 ♪ I stand defenseless ♪ 500 00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:55,066 ♪ Nobody has the right to be ♪ 501 00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:58,033 ♪ The judge of what is right for me ♪ 502 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,366 ♪ Tell me if you can ♪ 503 00:30:59,433 --> 00:31:01,766 ♪ What makes a man ♪ 504 00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:06,333 ♪ A man? ♪ 505 00:31:08,233 --> 00:31:09,700 Nan: While I was living with the queens, 506 00:31:09,766 --> 00:31:11,500 I started going to art school 507 00:31:11,566 --> 00:31:12,766 for photography. 508 00:31:14,433 --> 00:31:17,233 Said I wanted the queens to be on the cover of "Vogue." 509 00:31:18,633 --> 00:31:21,200 But in those days, that was so far. 510 00:31:29,033 --> 00:31:31,700 It was a time that was really scary for them. 511 00:31:33,633 --> 00:31:36,633 You could get arrested walking down the street in Boston. 512 00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:40,600 My roommates stayed home basically, 513 00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:42,266 and they went out at night. 514 00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:45,000 And... 515 00:31:45,066 --> 00:31:47,600 survival was an art. 516 00:31:56,466 --> 00:32:00,466 David and I started going to Provincetown in '75. 517 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,433 It was the gay mecca. 518 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,133 I worked in a Portuguese hot dog stand. 519 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,300 And then later, I got a job as a bartender 520 00:32:12,366 --> 00:32:15,100 at The Pied Piper, the lesbian bar. 521 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:21,066 I was living in this separatist lesbian community. 522 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,333 You know, it was sort of like 523 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,533 flannel shirts and tea. 524 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,400 You know, and I'd come from taffeta gowns and Quaaludes. 525 00:32:32,466 --> 00:32:35,100 And so, you know, I was kind of the oddball 526 00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:38,066 'cause I would wear pearls and lipstick to the beach. 527 00:32:41,566 --> 00:32:44,666 I fell in love with this beautiful woman. 528 00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:47,433 We were lovers, briefly. 529 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,400 She had lots of other lovers. 530 00:32:52,766 --> 00:32:54,333 I was obsessed with her. 531 00:32:56,566 --> 00:32:58,733 So I photographed her constantly. 532 00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:04,733 I have often used photography as a sublimation for sex. 533 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,633 It's generally better than sex. 534 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,300 (chuckles) 535 00:33:11,233 --> 00:33:13,100 I had a button machine. 536 00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:15,600 You know, you take a picture and put it on a button. 537 00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:17,733 -Laura: You had a button machine? -Nan: Yeah. 538 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,233 That was my way of making a living. 539 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,100 Walking up and down Commercial Street 540 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:26,233 in my high heels with my button machine, 541 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,366 and Cookie and Sharon and Divine 542 00:33:29,433 --> 00:33:33,266 and John Waters came by and had buttons made. 543 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,433 I knew Cookie from John Waters' films, 544 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,766 and I already idolized her. 545 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,366 ♪ I got lots of problems ♪ 546 00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:51,466 ♪ Female Trouble ♪ 547 00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:57,266 ♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪ 548 00:33:57,333 --> 00:33:59,700 I'd like to set fire to this dump. 549 00:33:59,766 --> 00:34:02,600 Just 'cause we're pretty, everybody's jealous. 550 00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:04,066 It's like a prison here. 551 00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:06,566 Even at Christmas, it's like a prison. 552 00:34:06,633 --> 00:34:09,666 ("Sunday Morning" by Nico and The Velvet Underground playing) 553 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,633 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 554 00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:20,766 ♪ Brings the dawning ♪ 555 00:34:21,033 --> 00:34:22,633 Nan: I mean, Cookie was all about finding 556 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,433 what was funny in life. 557 00:34:25,766 --> 00:34:28,700 ♪ ...by my side ♪ 558 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:32,266 Nan: Cookie and Sharon were together for many years. 559 00:34:35,766 --> 00:34:38,566 Sharon was working at a pizza place, 560 00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:40,700 and Cookie came by one night 561 00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:43,500 with her bicycle and her son, Max. 562 00:34:43,566 --> 00:34:46,600 And he had long hair with gum 563 00:34:46,666 --> 00:34:49,633 and Popsicle sticks and leaves in it. 564 00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:52,066 ♪ ...the world's behind you ♪ 565 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:55,400 Nan: And Cookie had on these little Springolator pumps, 566 00:34:55,466 --> 00:34:57,533 but they were held together 567 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,300 with safety pins. 568 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,333 And Sharon thought, 569 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,500 "I'm gonna take care of these people." 570 00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:10,533 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 571 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,766 Nan: And then Cookie said to her, 572 00:35:13,033 --> 00:35:14,433 "I believe in timing." 573 00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:18,433 ♪ I've got a feeling ♪ 574 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,266 Nan: Cookie took Sharon home with her 575 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:24,400 through a swamp with big pussy willows. 576 00:35:26,566 --> 00:35:29,666 And that was the beginning of Cookie and Sharon. 577 00:35:29,733 --> 00:35:31,700 ♪ Sunday morning... ♪ 578 00:35:33,233 --> 00:35:36,766 Nan: It was a time of freedom and possibility. 579 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,500 That's when I did my first slideshows. 580 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,166 You ready? 581 00:35:49,233 --> 00:35:51,200 Does everyone have their chant? 582 00:35:53,033 --> 00:35:54,700 "That's bullshit, get off it. 583 00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:56,700 They made addicts just for profit." 584 00:35:56,766 --> 00:35:58,533 -Ooh! -We were re-- 585 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,500 We were flying last night! 586 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,200 (indistinct chatter) 587 00:36:04,266 --> 00:36:06,333 Megan Kapler: We were ready to do another New York action, 588 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,000 and the Met and the Guggenheim to us are like 589 00:36:10,066 --> 00:36:12,200 two of the most important museums. 590 00:36:12,266 --> 00:36:14,066 And we knew that the Guggenheim had 591 00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:17,633 the Sackler Education Center. 592 00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,333 So they were like a big target for us. 593 00:36:22,666 --> 00:36:25,733 An important part of the museums we choose is 594 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,200 Nan is typically in the permanent collection. 595 00:36:29,266 --> 00:36:31,333 It's much stronger when the message 596 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,300 is coming from inside the house. 597 00:36:33,366 --> 00:36:35,266 -Person 1: I'm not worried. -What if they recognize me? 598 00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:36,500 -Somebody? -Person 2: They're not. 599 00:36:36,566 --> 00:36:38,300 Nan: By the time we did the Guggenheim, 600 00:36:38,366 --> 00:36:40,300 our name was out there. 601 00:36:40,366 --> 00:36:43,366 Other museums were alerted that we might be coming. 602 00:36:43,433 --> 00:36:45,166 It's just, I'm supposed to wear it 603 00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,033 so that no one knows who I am. 604 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,266 (laughter) 605 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,000 Person 1: That's not drawing attention to yourself. 606 00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:52,600 Person 2: Very-- very subtle disguise. 607 00:36:52,666 --> 00:36:54,000 Uh, I don't know. 608 00:36:54,066 --> 00:36:55,766 It calls a little attention, doesn't it? 609 00:36:56,033 --> 00:36:58,366 -It's kind of horrible. -Person 3: Thank you. 610 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,700 Megan: The attorney general in Massachusetts 611 00:37:00,766 --> 00:37:04,300 had just released internal emails 612 00:37:04,366 --> 00:37:07,733 and documents of the Sacklers which were vast, 613 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,366 and had really damning quotes. 614 00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:14,366 One of them was the quote from Richard Sackler 615 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:16,300 saying that 616 00:37:16,366 --> 00:37:19,066 upon the launch of OxyContin in 1996, 617 00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,633 that OxyContin would cover the country 618 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,600 in a "blizzard of prescriptions." 619 00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:26,700 I, I just was like, 620 00:37:26,766 --> 00:37:29,700 "What if we made a bunch of prescriptions 621 00:37:29,766 --> 00:37:32,000 and throw that back in their faces?" 622 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,666 Megan: We're trying to align the banners 623 00:37:38,733 --> 00:37:41,000 with the fountain right at the bottom of the spiral? 624 00:37:41,066 --> 00:37:42,300 -Harry Cullen: Yes. -Megan: Okay. 625 00:37:42,366 --> 00:37:44,666 Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right? 626 00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:46,100 Harry: Yeah. 627 00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:49,033 Nan: The goal is to get the names off the walls. 628 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,033 As long as the names are there, 629 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,266 they still maintain their hold on their reputation. 630 00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,166 They're still whitewashing their reputation. 631 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,566 The museums are still complicit in that. 632 00:38:04,566 --> 00:38:07,366 Harry: The energy was definitely right. 633 00:38:07,433 --> 00:38:10,133 The whole museum was already buzzing when we went in. 634 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,466 Um, it was a packed Saturday night. 635 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,733 -Megan: Nan, are you ready? -No, where is everyone? 636 00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:22,033 We had a Signal thread, but it was really like, 637 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,033 "Go at this time. 638 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,166 "If you see prescriptions falling, 639 00:38:25,233 --> 00:38:26,433 it's starting." 640 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,033 -Megan: Are we ready? -Nan: Yeah. 641 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:34,233 (crowd cheering) 642 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,266 Megan: I was at the bottom looking up, 643 00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:48,000 and I checked out for a minute 644 00:38:48,066 --> 00:38:50,233 because I was looking up at the prescription slips 645 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,333 and just, like, in awe of the visual that it created. 646 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,733 (crowd cheering, applauding) 647 00:38:58,133 --> 00:39:00,166 Yeah! 648 00:39:00,233 --> 00:39:02,333 Group: Say it loud, say it clear, 649 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,666 Sackler name not welcome here! 650 00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:09,733 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name not welcome here! 651 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,500 Say it loud, say it clear, OxyContin got them here! 652 00:39:15,566 --> 00:39:16,733 Say it loud... 653 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,566 Marina: I was holding one of the banners. 654 00:39:19,633 --> 00:39:21,533 We looked like we're hundreds and hundreds 655 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,566 of activists, right? 656 00:39:22,633 --> 00:39:25,266 We were not hundreds and hundreds. 657 00:39:25,333 --> 00:39:29,666 People are shouting with us. They're agreeing with us. 658 00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:32,000 -Protester: No longer! -Group: No longer! 659 00:39:32,066 --> 00:39:33,633 -Protester: No longer! -Group: No longer! 660 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,666 -Protester: No longer! -Group: No longer! 661 00:39:35,733 --> 00:39:37,600 The Sackler family must go! 662 00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,233 Group: The Sackler family must go! 663 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,033 The Sackler family must pay! 664 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,200 Group: The Sackler family must pay! 665 00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:47,066 Group: (chanting) People die! Sacklers lie! 666 00:39:47,133 --> 00:39:49,333 Group: People die! Sacklers lie! 667 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,066 Group: People die! 668 00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,700 (chanting continues) 669 00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:06,700 Group: (chanting) Say it loud, say it clear, 670 00:40:06,766 --> 00:40:09,200 Sacklers are not welcome here! 671 00:40:09,266 --> 00:40:11,566 Say it loud, say it clear, 672 00:40:11,633 --> 00:40:15,233 Sacklers are not welcome here! 673 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:19,666 We have journeyed from the Guggenheim down to the Met 674 00:40:19,733 --> 00:40:22,000 to send a message, 675 00:40:22,066 --> 00:40:25,666 a message of life and death. 676 00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:29,000 My son was prescribed OxyContin 677 00:40:29,066 --> 00:40:31,500 for a knee surgery in high school. 678 00:40:31,566 --> 00:40:33,566 The doctors told him, "Take the pills 679 00:40:33,633 --> 00:40:36,333 every four hours." 680 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,366 "Take them before the pain starts. 681 00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:40,566 Take them on schedule." 682 00:40:40,633 --> 00:40:42,466 When my son talked of his pain, 683 00:40:42,533 --> 00:40:45,566 I said, "Did you take your pill?" 684 00:40:45,633 --> 00:40:48,766 I became an accomplice to my son's demise. 685 00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:51,100 -That ain't right. -Alexis Pleus: That's not right. 686 00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:52,266 Group: That ain't right! That's not right! 687 00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:55,133 My son became addicted to OxyContin. 688 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,600 It progressed to heroin. 689 00:40:56,666 --> 00:41:00,033 It took 11 years. But it fuckin' killed him! 690 00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,166 It killed him. It took his life. 691 00:41:02,233 --> 00:41:04,466 He died alone in a bathroom. 692 00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:07,700 I don't expect the Sacklers to care about my son Jeff. 693 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,000 Nan: We care! 694 00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:11,666 But 400,000 lives, right? 695 00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:14,033 Somebody should care about that! 696 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,033 Person: Yes! 697 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,600 (group cheering, applauding) 698 00:41:23,733 --> 00:41:25,600 Laura: And how did the Guggenheim respond? 699 00:41:25,666 --> 00:41:27,100 Nan: They didn't say anything. 700 00:41:28,466 --> 00:41:30,266 The museums were keeping quiet. 701 00:41:31,433 --> 00:41:33,000 The first year, it's like 702 00:41:33,066 --> 00:41:35,733 25 museums were supportive of the Sacklers. 703 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,766 Either said nothing or were supportive. 704 00:41:39,466 --> 00:41:41,566 They know the Sacklers are a bad look... 705 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,133 for their PR. 706 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,100 Laura: Right. 707 00:41:45,166 --> 00:41:46,433 Nan: But they're terrified 708 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,033 of what will be found out about them. 709 00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:54,200 The rich people are scared that we're going to dig into 710 00:41:54,266 --> 00:41:56,666 the evil way they made money. 711 00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:03,700 (projector clicking) 712 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:10,466 ♪ Oh yeah, I had to lay such a tender trap ♪ 713 00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:15,566 ♪ Hoping you might fall into it ♪ 714 00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:20,066 ♪ But love hit me like a sudden slap ♪ 715 00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:23,700 ♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪ 716 00:42:23,766 --> 00:42:28,133 ♪ What's this whole world comin' to ♪ 717 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,500 ♪ Things just ain't the same ♪ 718 00:42:32,566 --> 00:42:36,333 ♪ Anytime the hunter ♪ 719 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,033 ♪ Gets captured by the game ♪ 720 00:42:42,433 --> 00:42:43,433 ♪ Oh yeah ♪ 721 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,366 Nan: I moved to the Bowery in '78. 722 00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:50,000 This place that should have become a museum. 723 00:42:51,766 --> 00:42:53,233 So many people lived there, 724 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,500 and it was one of the big addresses 725 00:42:55,566 --> 00:42:58,133 in lower New York at the time. 726 00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:03,366 It was a shithole loft because there was no light. 727 00:43:03,433 --> 00:43:06,500 It didn't have any walls for a while. 728 00:43:06,566 --> 00:43:10,233 Kind of dysfunctional but managed to function. 729 00:43:12,566 --> 00:43:14,500 We used to fuck in the elevator. 730 00:43:14,566 --> 00:43:16,400 There was a lot of drugs. 731 00:43:16,466 --> 00:43:19,500 Always a lot of drugs, a lot of coke, a lot of speed. 732 00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:22,300 The Bowery was the Ballad. 733 00:43:22,366 --> 00:43:25,266 The Bowery was the golden headquarters. 734 00:43:26,666 --> 00:43:29,733 And that's where I was situated in the universe, 735 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,166 was the Bowery. 736 00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:35,166 ♪ Oh yeah ♪ 737 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,233 Nan: When I got to New York, 738 00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,166 this guy gave me some names of galleries. 739 00:43:41,233 --> 00:43:43,233 In those days, you went to galleries 740 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,733 with your portfolio. 741 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000 So I called some galleries, they weren't interested. 742 00:43:47,066 --> 00:43:50,100 And then I went up to see Marvin. 743 00:43:50,166 --> 00:43:52,266 I walked in and showed these photos, 744 00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:55,000 like, that no one had ever seen before. 745 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,366 Totally bad prints and torn. 746 00:43:57,433 --> 00:44:00,600 And immediately, we understood each other. 747 00:44:02,366 --> 00:44:05,033 She showed up one day with, uh, 748 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,166 a box of pictures, 749 00:44:06,233 --> 00:44:08,000 you know, showed up in, like, this party dress, 750 00:44:08,066 --> 00:44:09,366 a polka dot party dress 751 00:44:09,433 --> 00:44:10,366 with a lot of crinolines, 752 00:44:10,433 --> 00:44:14,233 and kind of weird makeup and, uh, 753 00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:17,000 walked up the very fancy stairs of this gallery 754 00:44:17,066 --> 00:44:19,066 and had this box of pictures. 755 00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:20,400 And I opened up this box of pictures 756 00:44:20,466 --> 00:44:21,766 and about 20 of them in it, 757 00:44:22,033 --> 00:44:25,533 and, uh, I had never seen pictures like that in my life. 758 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600 These portraits and pictures of people 759 00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:29,266 kind of living their lives that really 760 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,666 were unlike anything anybody else was doing. 761 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,166 Nan: He asked me to bring more stuff, 762 00:44:36,233 --> 00:44:38,766 and I brought up a crate. 763 00:44:39,033 --> 00:44:41,033 (laughs) 764 00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,033 And I got the cab driver 765 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,700 to bring me up by giving him a blowjob. 766 00:44:45,766 --> 00:44:48,366 So that's how I entered the art world. 767 00:44:48,433 --> 00:44:50,633 (laughs) 768 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,133 This was 1979. 769 00:44:54,166 --> 00:44:55,233 Yeah. 770 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,700 ("You Can't Be Funky" by Bush Tetras playing) 771 00:44:57,766 --> 00:45:00,766 ♪ ♪ 772 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,066 Nan: The first week we were there, the Mudd Club opened. 773 00:45:09,433 --> 00:45:10,700 And I met Vivienne Dick. 774 00:45:10,766 --> 00:45:14,100 ♪ ...my teeth to take another bite... ♪ 775 00:45:14,166 --> 00:45:16,466 Nan: Vivienne was curious about everything. 776 00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:19,466 And a lot of stuff that happened, she took me to. 777 00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:20,633 ♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪ 778 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,100 ♪ Well, the walls are so thick that... ♪ 779 00:45:23,166 --> 00:45:25,566 Nan: I mean, there were different worlds in New York 780 00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:27,766 that I was moving between, 781 00:45:28,033 --> 00:45:30,266 and they didn't necessarily like each other. 782 00:45:30,333 --> 00:45:32,600 ♪ ...that I can't even walk ♪ 783 00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,066 Nan: The world of Vivienne 784 00:45:36,133 --> 00:45:39,633 and this woman I lived with named Suzanne... 785 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,166 ♪ Your eyes are shallow and your glance is cold ♪ 786 00:45:43,233 --> 00:45:44,233 Nan: And Greer... 787 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,066 ♪ You can't be funky if you... ♪ 788 00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:48,100 Nan: She was making her dolls all the time 789 00:45:48,166 --> 00:45:49,600 and working constantly. 790 00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:51,033 ♪ You can't be funky ♪ 791 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,733 ♪ You can't be funky ♪ 792 00:45:53,033 --> 00:45:54,500 ♪ You can't be funky ♪ 793 00:45:54,566 --> 00:45:56,766 ♪ If you haven't got a soul! ♪ 794 00:45:58,633 --> 00:46:00,733 Nan: And then there was the world of Bruce... 795 00:46:04,466 --> 00:46:06,066 and David. 796 00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:07,533 ♪ ...but always say hello ♪ 797 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,166 ♪ Well, I lock you up tighter every place that you go ♪ 798 00:46:11,233 --> 00:46:12,300 Nan: And Cookie. 799 00:46:12,366 --> 00:46:15,566 (disco music playing) 800 00:46:15,633 --> 00:46:20,166 Nan: She was the center of New York downtown life. 801 00:46:20,233 --> 00:46:22,500 ("Fire" by Lizzy Mercier Descloux playing) 802 00:46:22,566 --> 00:46:23,666 ♪ Fire ♪ 803 00:46:25,266 --> 00:46:27,000 ♪ I did it to burn ♪ 804 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,733 ♪ Fire ♪ 805 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,366 Nan: People used to say we were marginalized. 806 00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:36,633 And we didn't care. 807 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,466 Normal people were marginalized to us. 808 00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:43,400 ♪ You fought hard and you saved ♪ 809 00:46:43,466 --> 00:46:45,233 ♪ But it's all going to... ♪ 810 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,466 Nan: Cookie was in films, she was in plays. 811 00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:52,166 And then she was writing art criticism. 812 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:56,733 Cookie used to say, 813 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,733 "I don't know why people think I'm wild. 814 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,300 "I'm not wild. 815 00:47:00,366 --> 00:47:02,366 "Wildness just appears 816 00:47:02,433 --> 00:47:05,166 on the road in front of me." 817 00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:08,266 You have to hear her voice, and that tells you everything. 818 00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:10,066 ♪ I'll take you to learn ♪ 819 00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,066 Nan: This kind of irony and humor. 820 00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:14,366 ♪ Gonna burn ♪ 821 00:47:14,433 --> 00:47:15,533 "'You should really wait for Charlie 822 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,600 "'to come back from the store. 823 00:47:16,666 --> 00:47:18,166 "'He's the one to talk to. 824 00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:20,333 "He's right in there buying oranges for us.' 825 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,333 "She pointed to the Haight Street Chinese fruit store. 826 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,733 "But I'd had enough and thanked them 827 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,200 "and left looking for more action. 828 00:47:26,266 --> 00:47:28,466 "These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky Fromme 829 00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:29,700 "and Mary Brunner and others. 830 00:47:29,766 --> 00:47:32,100 "And I missed meeting Charlie Manson 831 00:47:32,166 --> 00:47:33,733 by five minutes." 832 00:47:35,266 --> 00:47:37,533 Nan: Cookie was working as a go-go dancer. 833 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,133 I was dancing in New Jersey 834 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,133 because you didn't have to take your top off 835 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200 in New Jersey. 836 00:47:45,266 --> 00:47:48,266 And New York was topless. New Jersey wasn't. 837 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,700 ("Boogie Oogie Oogie" by A Taste of Honey playing) 838 00:47:51,766 --> 00:47:54,133 Nan: So we'd take the bus out to Paterson 839 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,133 and go to these low-life bars and wiggle our asses 840 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,066 and then get on the bus and come back to New York. 841 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,133 ♪ If you're thinkin' you're too cool ♪ 842 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,533 Nan: I was dancing to have money to buy film. 843 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:17,100 ♪ Boy oh boy have I got news for you ♪ 844 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,733 Nan: Then I started in the whorehouse. 845 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,133 Yeah, that got pretty ugly. 846 00:48:27,366 --> 00:48:29,666 I haven't kept many secrets in my life. 847 00:48:31,633 --> 00:48:34,233 But I never did talk about it before. 848 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,200 But I think at this point in my life, 849 00:48:42,266 --> 00:48:43,666 I should talk about it 850 00:48:43,733 --> 00:48:45,500 because of the incredible stigma 851 00:48:45,566 --> 00:48:47,000 around sex work. 852 00:48:52,733 --> 00:48:55,566 Vivienne got really interested in the fact 853 00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:58,133 that I had worked in a house. 854 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,333 And decided she wanted to make a film about it. 855 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,166 It's a fiction film. 856 00:49:05,233 --> 00:49:08,066 I'm playing the madam of the house where I worked... 857 00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:10,366 who was a monster. 858 00:49:10,433 --> 00:49:13,500 Hi. How are you? Have you been with us before? 859 00:49:13,566 --> 00:49:15,633 She would have us on our backs all day, 860 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,033 and then she'd come home from Bloomingdales, 861 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,000 showing off her lingerie. 862 00:49:20,066 --> 00:49:22,266 (inaudible dialogue) 863 00:49:22,333 --> 00:49:24,700 I mean, sex work isn't negative in itself, 864 00:49:24,766 --> 00:49:26,300 but it's no party. 865 00:49:26,366 --> 00:49:28,466 It's one of the hardest jobs you could have. 866 00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:31,766 Newark. Ever been there? 867 00:49:37,566 --> 00:49:40,333 Nan: And so that's how Tin Pan Alley came. 868 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,666 Somebody said, uh, "You should go meet Maggie." 869 00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:51,500 She was hiring women who had been sex workers, 870 00:49:51,566 --> 00:49:54,400 and kind of helped people get out of it. 871 00:49:54,466 --> 00:49:57,166 She was an incredible force. 872 00:49:57,233 --> 00:50:00,166 She was a community organizer. 873 00:50:00,233 --> 00:50:01,566 She was a great cook. 874 00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:05,200 She was a radical. 875 00:50:06,266 --> 00:50:08,400 And she was a ballet dancer. 876 00:50:08,466 --> 00:50:12,133 So she hired me pretty quickly. Like, immediately. 877 00:50:13,566 --> 00:50:16,500 Maggie Smith: The bar was a safe space for prostitutes 878 00:50:16,566 --> 00:50:18,566 and also a way to work their way 879 00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:21,600 out of prostitution if they wished to do so. 880 00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:25,400 And it was a center for those on the left, 881 00:50:25,466 --> 00:50:26,700 the squatters movement, 882 00:50:26,766 --> 00:50:29,300 the anarchist movement, the Black movement, 883 00:50:29,366 --> 00:50:30,700 people who were interested in supporting 884 00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:33,233 political prisoners from the Latin left. 885 00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,633 And so it was really a polyglot place. 886 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,300 It had hustlers, 887 00:50:38,366 --> 00:50:40,233 it had artists, 888 00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:41,566 Reuters journalists. 889 00:50:41,633 --> 00:50:45,433 It had people from NBC who were on strike. 890 00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,500 And it had the IRS . 891 00:50:48,566 --> 00:50:51,600 When the IRS would come in the afternoon to get drunk, 892 00:50:51,666 --> 00:50:55,333 they were as hard to handle as the bikers. 893 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,400 But the bar was controlled by women. 894 00:50:59,466 --> 00:51:02,066 It was very important to me that we not have bouncers 895 00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:05,466 and not depend on male strength for keeping the peace. 896 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,166 And so when people behind the bar, including Nan, 897 00:51:09,233 --> 00:51:12,100 decided that it was time for someone to go, 898 00:51:12,166 --> 00:51:14,166 that person would go. 899 00:51:14,233 --> 00:51:16,233 (Latin music playing over speakers) 900 00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:18,533 -It's on the house. -Oh, thanks, Nan. 901 00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,266 (indistinct chatter) 902 00:51:23,433 --> 00:51:25,733 (indistinct chatter) 903 00:51:27,566 --> 00:51:30,300 Darryl Pinckney: Tin Pan was very integrated. 904 00:51:30,366 --> 00:51:35,100 The New Wave was not a very integrated scene at all. 905 00:51:35,166 --> 00:51:37,600 And also it cut across class lines, 906 00:51:37,666 --> 00:51:40,300 which New Wave also didn't do. 907 00:51:40,366 --> 00:51:42,166 I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan, 908 00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:43,633 but I can't say-- 909 00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,566 Talk about repetitive nights, you know? 910 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:51,666 Nan: When I first started, I loved it there. 911 00:51:51,733 --> 00:51:53,300 The first two years... 912 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,266 I listened to people. 913 00:51:57,666 --> 00:51:59,333 Really listened. 914 00:52:00,566 --> 00:52:02,233 And they weren't used to that. 915 00:52:04,566 --> 00:52:07,200 I was sort of the dominatrix of the bar, 916 00:52:07,266 --> 00:52:09,266 and I got tips because people wanted 917 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:12,366 to impress me, win me back. 918 00:52:13,633 --> 00:52:17,166 And I would work till 4:00 in the morning 919 00:52:17,233 --> 00:52:19,466 and then we'd go to The After Hours. 920 00:52:23,366 --> 00:52:25,500 (indistinct chatter) 921 00:52:25,566 --> 00:52:30,300 Maggie: Tin Pan Alley became a major kind of, uh, staging point 922 00:52:30,366 --> 00:52:33,566 as people were planning for the Times Square show. 923 00:52:35,433 --> 00:52:37,566 It was multi-floor. 924 00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:40,300 It was collaborative. 925 00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:42,233 There was graffiti, 926 00:52:43,033 --> 00:52:44,400 sculpture, 927 00:52:44,466 --> 00:52:45,766 there were painters, 928 00:52:46,033 --> 00:52:47,666 lots of video work. 929 00:52:47,733 --> 00:52:49,033 There was music... 930 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,066 (funky jazz music playing) 931 00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:52,233 (screams) 932 00:52:56,166 --> 00:53:00,700 (indistinct singing) 933 00:53:00,766 --> 00:53:05,166 Maggie: The first floor is where most of the performances were. 934 00:53:05,233 --> 00:53:07,633 So Nan invited everyone in the bar. 935 00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:11,300 So, yes, I was anxious to see her work and... 936 00:53:11,366 --> 00:53:14,000 I, you know, was sitting on the floor and 937 00:53:14,066 --> 00:53:17,566 this music starts and the slides start. 938 00:53:17,633 --> 00:53:21,666 ("I Put a Spell On You" by Screamin' Jay Hawkins playing) 939 00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,066 ♪ I put a spell on you ♪ 940 00:53:35,033 --> 00:53:37,566 ♪ Because you're mine ♪ 941 00:53:43,366 --> 00:53:46,100 ♪ Stop the things you do ♪ 942 00:53:50,033 --> 00:53:52,433 (laughs) ♪ Watch out! ♪ 943 00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,333 ♪ I ain't lyin' ♪ 944 00:53:58,366 --> 00:54:00,566 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 945 00:54:00,633 --> 00:54:02,600 ♪ I can't stand ♪ 946 00:54:02,666 --> 00:54:04,200 ♪ Woo! ♪ 947 00:54:04,266 --> 00:54:06,733 ♪ No runnin' around ♪ 948 00:54:08,266 --> 00:54:11,033 ♪ I can't stand... ♪ 949 00:54:12,433 --> 00:54:15,600 Maggie: The work was incredibly political. 950 00:54:15,666 --> 00:54:17,633 It was about power 951 00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,100 and particularly about the power 952 00:54:20,166 --> 00:54:21,400 that men have over women 953 00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:25,366 and how that power is translated up in a society. 954 00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:29,466 Darryl: The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow, 955 00:54:29,533 --> 00:54:31,633 it was extremely raucous. 956 00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:34,433 What I remember mostly is the noise, 957 00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:37,666 not just of the music or of the equipment, 958 00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,333 but of people talking to the screen... 959 00:54:41,233 --> 00:54:44,000 uh, commenting. 960 00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:46,333 Nan: At the beginning, the audience would be made up 961 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,333 you know, exclusively of the people in the show. 962 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,400 So they would scream at me if they didn't like something, 963 00:54:52,466 --> 00:54:55,133 and, you know, scream if they loved something. 964 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,266 So I edited according to that to some extent. 965 00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:02,700 And then I had those pictures of my friend 966 00:55:02,766 --> 00:55:05,033 having sex with her boyfriend, 967 00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:08,133 and she demanded I take them out at some point. 968 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,466 And so that's when I started 969 00:55:09,533 --> 00:55:11,700 photographing myself having sex. 970 00:55:11,766 --> 00:55:14,233 I figured if I was showing her having sex, 971 00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:16,600 I had to show myself having sex. 972 00:55:16,666 --> 00:55:20,700 ("Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love)" by The Swingin' Medallions playing) 973 00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:25,766 Nan: I was doing it at underground clubs, 974 00:55:26,033 --> 00:55:29,533 and my boyfriend at the time was spinning records . 975 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,433 So that's when the music started. 976 00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,533 I would start with songs that I knew 977 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,733 and then people would send me music, literally. 978 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,166 But I changed them every single time. 979 00:55:43,333 --> 00:55:46,466 It was fun, it was really fun. 980 00:55:46,533 --> 00:55:48,466 People would be dancing. 981 00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,466 You know, it was fabulous. 982 00:55:50,533 --> 00:55:52,300 ♪ Somebody let me know ♪ 983 00:55:52,366 --> 00:55:53,366 ♪ Well, everybody in the place ♪ 984 00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:54,600 ♪ Put a whistle in your face ♪ 985 00:55:54,666 --> 00:55:56,600 ♪ Scream it out and say yo ♪ 986 00:55:56,666 --> 00:55:57,733 ♪ Hit it ♪ 987 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,366 ♪ You don't stop ♪ 988 00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:02,433 Nan: I was always late for everything. 989 00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:06,366 I didn't sleep. I mean, I was up all night editing. 990 00:56:10,433 --> 00:56:12,433 Darryl: You never saw the same thing twice. 991 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:15,166 She changed the music, she changed the slides, 992 00:56:15,233 --> 00:56:16,766 she changed the order of them. 993 00:56:17,033 --> 00:56:20,633 Sometimes her own changed feelings 994 00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:22,700 changed the meanings of them 995 00:56:22,766 --> 00:56:26,633 because her photographs don't hold just one meaning. 996 00:56:27,566 --> 00:56:29,433 You know, a lot is going on 997 00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:32,633 in, uh, a Nan Goldin photograph. 998 00:56:37,033 --> 00:56:38,500 And I guess that's what made people think 999 00:56:38,566 --> 00:56:41,066 it was so cinematic because to most people, 1000 00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:42,566 they seem like characters, 1001 00:56:42,633 --> 00:56:44,466 whereas to the people being photographed, 1002 00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:46,500 they seem like themselves. 1003 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:51,066 She photographs from our side. 1004 00:56:54,466 --> 00:56:57,266 Nan: The mid-'80s was when I was closest to Cookie. 1005 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,266 She wasn't doing very well, 1006 00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:04,000 so this friend of hers told her 1007 00:57:04,066 --> 00:57:06,266 to spin a globe 1008 00:57:06,333 --> 00:57:08,533 and wherever she put her finger, 1009 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,133 to go there. 1010 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,166 So she went to Italy, and she met Vittorio. 1011 00:57:17,466 --> 00:57:19,533 It was the greatest love of her life. 1012 00:57:23,033 --> 00:57:24,566 It was a huge wedding . 1013 00:57:24,633 --> 00:57:27,133 Everyone in lower New York was there. 1014 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,166 Rene Ricard, 1015 00:57:30,233 --> 00:57:31,666 Greer, 1016 00:57:31,733 --> 00:57:33,466 David Armstrong, 1017 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,533 Francesco Clemente, 1018 00:57:37,266 --> 00:57:38,500 Teri Toye. 1019 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,166 Peter Hujar was there. 1020 00:57:42,233 --> 00:57:45,566 And we were standing next to each other taking pictures. 1021 00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,100 It was a beautiful wedding... 1022 00:57:52,466 --> 00:57:53,766 and a wild party. 1023 00:57:55,666 --> 00:57:56,733 Yeah. 1024 00:57:58,633 --> 00:58:00,466 ♪ Now there's a man ♪ 1025 00:58:00,533 --> 00:58:03,033 ♪ The living tool of Satan ♪ 1026 00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:06,600 ♪ He charges forth while others are debating ♪ 1027 00:58:06,666 --> 00:58:10,666 ♪ Conniving, cocky knave with all the trimmings ♪ 1028 00:58:10,733 --> 00:58:14,700 ♪ I know one thing can trim him down ♪ 1029 00:58:14,766 --> 00:58:16,400 ♪ Women ♪ 1030 00:58:16,466 --> 00:58:21,066 ♪ In women, he meets deep authority ♪ 1031 00:58:21,133 --> 00:58:25,366 ♪ In them, he feels his old ♪ 1032 00:58:25,433 --> 00:58:29,566 ♪ Dependency ♪ 1033 00:58:31,266 --> 00:58:34,166 Nan: Once I started sharing the work, 1034 00:58:34,233 --> 00:58:35,766 I got a lot of shit. 1035 00:58:37,666 --> 00:58:39,533 "There's no such thing as a good woman artist," 1036 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,533 was said to me in, like, the mid '80s. 1037 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,366 Uh, it was really heavy resistance 1038 00:58:47,433 --> 00:58:51,566 especially from male artists and gallerists who said, 1039 00:58:51,633 --> 00:58:54,500 "This isn't photography." 1040 00:58:54,566 --> 00:58:56,666 "Nobody photographs their own life." 1041 00:58:57,633 --> 00:58:59,100 It was still 1042 00:58:59,166 --> 00:59:02,433 a kind of outlier act. 1043 00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:06,100 It was basically a time of black and white, 1044 00:59:06,166 --> 00:59:07,766 vertical photographs. 1045 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,700 So it's hard to understand 1046 00:59:11,766 --> 00:59:14,233 that that could have ever been radical. 1047 00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:21,033 I thought the art world was bullshit 1048 00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,466 and that Times Square was real life. 1049 00:59:25,033 --> 00:59:26,400 That's where I met Brian. 1050 00:59:29,633 --> 00:59:31,400 Our first date, 1051 00:59:31,466 --> 00:59:33,633 we went to see The Clash 1052 00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,733 right around the corner from the bar. 1053 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,233 And then we went up to Harlem and copped. 1054 00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,766 And then he just stayed. 1055 00:59:44,033 --> 00:59:47,433 And he stayed for '81 to '84. 1056 00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:55,066 He was beautiful at the time, and I fell in love with him. 1057 00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,500 He was very tender. 1058 01:00:01,233 --> 01:00:03,166 You can see it in Brian's eyes. 1059 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,000 We had very good sex, 1060 01:00:11,066 --> 01:00:12,566 and that can keep people together 1061 01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:14,333 for a long time. 1062 01:00:19,366 --> 01:00:21,300 And then we started fighting a lot . 1063 01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,033 And I was good at fighting. 1064 01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:33,600 He wanted to break up, and I didn't want him to. 1065 01:00:33,666 --> 01:00:35,700 And then we went through that a lot, 1066 01:00:35,766 --> 01:00:37,433 trying to break up. 1067 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,400 And then when I went to Berlin, we'd, you know, broken up. 1068 01:00:42,466 --> 01:00:45,033 And then he came to Berlin and-- 1069 01:00:45,633 --> 01:00:47,066 And that story. 1070 01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:54,466 I did a slideshow at some loft, 1071 01:00:54,533 --> 01:00:57,433 and we went to a bar. 1072 01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,633 And then he realized I'd been with this girl, 1073 01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,133 and he became jealous. 1074 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,366 And that's what set it off. 1075 01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:13,733 We were so intertwined, we didn't know how to break up. 1076 01:01:15,433 --> 01:01:18,566 So this was his way of breaking up. 1077 01:01:21,633 --> 01:01:26,000 He punched me in the face repeatedly. 1078 01:01:26,066 --> 01:01:28,000 Like boom, boom, boom. 1079 01:01:28,066 --> 01:01:31,166 And he went after my eyes. 1080 01:01:31,233 --> 01:01:33,633 I was bleeding, and there was this girl, 1081 01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:35,366 Sylvie, from Paris. 1082 01:01:35,433 --> 01:01:37,533 Sylvie came in and dragged me out. 1083 01:01:39,366 --> 01:01:40,566 She saved my life. 1084 01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:45,166 He trashed the room, 1085 01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:49,200 and he wrote in lipstick all over the room: 1086 01:01:49,266 --> 01:01:50,666 "Bitch," "Cunt"... 1087 01:01:52,233 --> 01:01:53,700 He burned my diaries. 1088 01:01:55,500 --> 01:02:00,033 The greatest luck of my life is that I left the slideshow 1089 01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,233 at the loft where I'd shown it 1090 01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,000 because he would have destroyed it. 1091 01:02:04,066 --> 01:02:05,433 Laura: He would have destroyed it. 1092 01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:08,000 Nan: Yeah. 1093 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,333 All the bones in the orbital floor 1094 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,100 of my eye were broken. 1095 01:02:19,666 --> 01:02:21,600 -And, um... -Laura: To go for your eyes. 1096 01:02:21,666 --> 01:02:24,066 Nan: ...Maggie said he wanted to blind me. 1097 01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:31,766 My pictures of myself battered 1098 01:02:32,033 --> 01:02:34,500 were what kept me from going back. 1099 01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,033 Women who've been battered have come to me and told me 1100 01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,133 that they were able to talk about it 1101 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,166 because of those pictures. 1102 01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:54,100 The struggle between autonomy and dependency 1103 01:02:54,166 --> 01:02:57,666 is the core of "The Ballad of Sexual Dependency." 1104 01:03:03,633 --> 01:03:05,766 My father tried to get it stopped 1105 01:03:06,033 --> 01:03:07,266 from being published. 1106 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,366 You know, pictures were one thing, 1107 01:03:11,433 --> 01:03:14,766 but they were so afraid of the text... 1108 01:03:16,066 --> 01:03:17,433 'cause he said that I was trying 1109 01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:19,266 to prove that they killed my sister. 1110 01:03:20,766 --> 01:03:22,166 That's how he put it. 1111 01:03:24,766 --> 01:03:27,366 You know, Brian was trying to get it stopped. 1112 01:03:28,533 --> 01:03:30,600 It makes it even more radical, 1113 01:03:30,666 --> 01:03:32,666 all these men trying to stop it. 1114 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:42,000 When I got back to New York, I went to Tin Pan. 1115 01:03:42,066 --> 01:03:45,133 I was terrified because there were all those men, 1116 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200 and I couldn't be in a crowd with men. 1117 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,000 Maggie thought I was shooting dope and I wasn't. 1118 01:03:52,066 --> 01:03:53,600 But I was snorting it. 1119 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,433 And I remembered when I quit Tin Pan, I thought, 1120 01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:01,700 "Oh, now I'm gonna get really strung out 1121 01:04:01,766 --> 01:04:04,200 because there's nothing to stop me." 1122 01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,166 And I did. 1123 01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:16,700 It's a little scary around here. 1124 01:04:18,533 --> 01:04:21,366 A "New York Post" reporter called me cold 1125 01:04:21,433 --> 01:04:22,633 without being introduced. 1126 01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:24,000 He called me on my cell phone. 1127 01:04:24,066 --> 01:04:26,566 He said he got it on the internet. 1128 01:04:26,633 --> 01:04:28,466 We have to really have the facts 1129 01:04:28,533 --> 01:04:31,033 if we're going to go up against this family. 1130 01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,366 They could sue us, right? 1131 01:04:34,633 --> 01:04:36,433 Megan: After a few of our actions, 1132 01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:39,433 Purdue Pharma started taking out full-page ads 1133 01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,033 in "The New York Times," 1134 01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,633 saying, "Of course, we care about the opioid crisis. 1135 01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:46,700 We're in the market of opioids." 1136 01:04:48,566 --> 01:04:52,166 People are still accepting Sackler donations. 1137 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,033 Marina: What's happening with the National Portrait Gallery? 1138 01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:57,766 Nan: I don't know what's going on 1139 01:04:58,033 --> 01:05:00,700 with my work being in the show or not. 1140 01:05:00,766 --> 01:05:02,600 What do people think? 1141 01:05:02,666 --> 01:05:05,533 Group Member: It would be a serious blow 1142 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,533 if Nan Goldin refuses to show her work there 1143 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,066 because of Sackler money. 1144 01:05:10,133 --> 01:05:11,166 So... 1145 01:05:11,233 --> 01:05:13,466 Megan: Nan was set 1146 01:05:13,533 --> 01:05:16,466 to have a retrospective at the National Portrait Gallery 1147 01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:18,033 in the UK, 1148 01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000 but they're in the middle 1149 01:05:20,066 --> 01:05:23,666 of accepting a $1.3 million grant 1150 01:05:23,733 --> 01:05:25,400 from the Sacklers. 1151 01:05:25,466 --> 01:05:28,133 So Nan told them that she would not do 1152 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,000 her retrospective with them 1153 01:05:30,066 --> 01:05:31,666 if they were to accept it. 1154 01:05:32,533 --> 01:05:34,566 (heavy breathing) 1155 01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:39,533 Person: Woo! 1156 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,233 Nan: Unbelievable! 1157 01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,500 Oh man, it's working, right? It's working. 1158 01:05:45,566 --> 01:05:47,433 Megan: I can't believe it! 1159 01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:49,166 David Velasco: When the National Portrait Gallery 1160 01:05:49,233 --> 01:05:50,666 refused the donation from the Sacklers, 1161 01:05:50,733 --> 01:05:52,033 I thought this is a watershed moment. 1162 01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,500 This is an incredible, like, rush 1163 01:05:54,566 --> 01:05:56,200 just to think that, 1164 01:05:56,266 --> 01:05:58,466 um, people are actually beginning to rethink 1165 01:05:58,533 --> 01:06:01,066 how-- how we do things. 1166 01:06:03,066 --> 01:06:05,633 Nan: Let's go over what happened in one week. 1167 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,166 I think it doesn't happen to activist groups very often. 1168 01:06:10,233 --> 01:06:11,633 On Tuesday, 1169 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:16,166 the National Portrait Gallery was the first to refuse money. 1170 01:06:16,233 --> 01:06:18,200 Group: Yeah! 1171 01:06:18,266 --> 01:06:21,000 Nan: On Thursday, the Tate crumbled. 1172 01:06:21,066 --> 01:06:23,033 On Friday, 1173 01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,400 surprisingly, the Guggenheim. 1174 01:06:25,466 --> 01:06:26,433 Person: Yeah! 1175 01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:28,066 And that was shocking. 1176 01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:29,600 (applause) 1177 01:06:29,666 --> 01:06:31,266 Nan: Okay, and then 1178 01:06:31,333 --> 01:06:34,533 those dirty deep bottom feeders, 1179 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:35,633 the hedge fund, 1180 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,033 refusing to take the Sackler money, 1181 01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:39,466 which is unprecedented. 1182 01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:45,066 (group cheering) 1183 01:06:45,133 --> 01:06:47,300 Megan: The domino effect was huge. 1184 01:06:47,366 --> 01:06:50,033 The fact that this is, like, happening 1185 01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,700 by all these major museums 1186 01:06:51,766 --> 01:06:53,200 and also Nan has her hand 1187 01:06:53,266 --> 01:06:56,533 in, like, every single one, including the Tate, 1188 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,700 is major, and then the Met followed. 1189 01:06:59,766 --> 01:07:02,466 But it was not good enough for us. 1190 01:07:02,533 --> 01:07:04,333 We had a very clear demand. 1191 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,000 No longer accept Sackler money. 1192 01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:09,000 You know, then the next part obviously 1193 01:07:09,066 --> 01:07:10,166 is take down the name. 1194 01:07:16,166 --> 01:07:18,566 Patrick: Subsequently, we then saw 1195 01:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,166 this WhatsApp log that came out 1196 01:07:21,233 --> 01:07:24,300 from the Mortimer Sackler family members. 1197 01:07:24,366 --> 01:07:28,066 And you actually see them start to talk about Nan Goldin. 1198 01:07:28,133 --> 01:07:32,233 They talk about it solely as a matter 1199 01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:33,666 of public relations management. 1200 01:07:33,733 --> 01:07:36,733 You don't have a single person who says, 1201 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,633 "Well, wait a second. 1202 01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:40,766 "Maybe there's some substance to this critique. 1203 01:07:41,033 --> 01:07:43,333 "We should look hard at what we've done. 1204 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,500 "Is there some way we can make amends? 1205 01:07:45,566 --> 01:07:47,466 Are there questions we should be asking?" 1206 01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:49,766 Instead, it's just entirely, 1207 01:07:50,033 --> 01:07:53,333 "How do we manage this PR problem?" 1208 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,766 Laura: When did you know you were being followed? 1209 01:08:05,033 --> 01:08:08,266 I was leaving Nan's 1210 01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:11,366 by myself on a Friday night. 1211 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,400 And... 1212 01:08:15,466 --> 01:08:18,200 I noticed a car. 1213 01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:20,433 I noticed that the person sitting in it 1214 01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:24,200 is obscuring his face. 1215 01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:28,300 And the second I'm directly across from him, 1216 01:08:28,366 --> 01:08:30,400 he kind of looks at me. 1217 01:08:33,733 --> 01:08:37,200 The next week, as I'm crossing 1218 01:08:37,266 --> 01:08:41,666 my direct street, up to the stop sign, 1219 01:08:41,733 --> 01:08:43,666 pulls this, this car. 1220 01:08:44,633 --> 01:08:48,266 And I looked at him. 1221 01:08:49,666 --> 01:08:52,466 And I just kept walking. 1222 01:08:52,533 --> 01:08:54,766 I walked for, like, 15 feet or so 1223 01:08:55,033 --> 01:08:57,433 and when I looked back, he was just taking my photo 1224 01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:58,700 from his car. 1225 01:09:02,066 --> 01:09:05,033 And, like, I'm-I'm just, like, having a memory 1226 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:07,566 of that, that moment because it's like, 1227 01:09:07,633 --> 01:09:08,700 there is no-- 1228 01:09:08,766 --> 01:09:10,066 I don't think I've experienced 1229 01:09:10,133 --> 01:09:12,100 a greater fear than that moment 1230 01:09:12,166 --> 01:09:14,433 'cause I don't know who the fuck this guy is. 1231 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,700 But I know it's the same guy from the week before. 1232 01:09:22,466 --> 01:09:24,166 So I think I even yelled at him, 1233 01:09:24,233 --> 01:09:25,633 but I don't even know if he knew. 1234 01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:27,666 He, like, peeled out. 1235 01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:30,433 And I was terrified. 1236 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,500 And then... 1237 01:09:33,566 --> 01:09:36,700 imagine my shock when the next week, 1238 01:09:36,766 --> 01:09:39,033 like, exactly a week later, 1239 01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,266 he's-- this guy is outside of Nan's. 1240 01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:52,333 We just walked out of Nan's house. 1241 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,233 The same car is in front of the house again. 1242 01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,566 Person: And the guy is... 1243 01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,033 right there... 1244 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,033 watching me film him right now. 1245 01:10:14,166 --> 01:10:15,566 (horn honks) 1246 01:10:15,633 --> 01:10:17,400 Megan: Oh, he's pulling out right now. 1247 01:10:23,166 --> 01:10:25,633 Patrick: I went out with my wife and two children. 1248 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:27,500 I have two small boys. 1249 01:10:27,566 --> 01:10:29,400 We walked out one day to run an errand, 1250 01:10:29,466 --> 01:10:30,766 and we're getting into the car, 1251 01:10:31,033 --> 01:10:34,066 and a neighbor came over and she said, 1252 01:10:34,133 --> 01:10:35,500 "Hey, I, I don't want to freak you out, 1253 01:10:35,566 --> 01:10:37,700 "but, but just up there, 1254 01:10:37,766 --> 01:10:40,133 "there's a guy who's parked across the street 1255 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,466 "from my house in an SUV, 1256 01:10:41,533 --> 01:10:43,166 "and he's been there all day, 1257 01:10:43,233 --> 01:10:45,200 and I think he's watching your house." 1258 01:10:45,266 --> 01:10:46,733 So the first thing I thought, of course, is that 1259 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,066 I knew that Nan had had this experience, 1260 01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:51,100 and Megan had had this experience. 1261 01:10:51,633 --> 01:10:52,700 Um... 1262 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,466 and so it felt of a piece 1263 01:10:57,533 --> 01:10:59,166 in terms of the MO. 1264 01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,600 When I was fact-checking my book, 1265 01:11:02,666 --> 01:11:05,166 I asked Purdue if they knew anything 1266 01:11:05,233 --> 01:11:07,300 about these people who'd been following Nan 1267 01:11:07,366 --> 01:11:09,166 and Megan and me, 1268 01:11:09,233 --> 01:11:12,766 and Purdue came back and said, 1269 01:11:13,033 --> 01:11:15,166 "Absolutely not. Of course, we would never do such a thing. 1270 01:11:15,233 --> 01:11:18,200 That's outrageous." Really strenuously denying it. 1271 01:11:18,266 --> 01:11:20,733 And in my queries to the Sacklers, 1272 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,533 I, I asked the same thing and, uh, 1273 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,066 there were some of the things I asked about 1274 01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:27,266 that they came back and denied. 1275 01:11:27,333 --> 01:11:29,066 And this was not one of them. 1276 01:11:39,466 --> 01:11:41,500 Person: Bob is one of our board members. 1277 01:11:41,566 --> 01:11:43,566 (indistinct chatter) 1278 01:11:43,633 --> 01:11:45,100 Megan: Hi, how are you? 1279 01:11:45,166 --> 01:11:46,666 Person: Now, admittedly, 1280 01:11:46,733 --> 01:11:48,233 it's a little crazy here. 1281 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,700 (indistinct chatter) 1282 01:11:50,766 --> 01:11:52,700 Person 2: So has anybody had a Narcan kit before 1283 01:11:52,766 --> 01:11:55,600 or, um, have been through a Narcan training? 1284 01:11:55,666 --> 01:11:57,633 Yeah, I got a kit a couple of weeks ago. 1285 01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:59,400 -Okay. -I have a kit in my house, 1286 01:11:59,466 --> 01:12:01,266 -but I haven't been trained. -Okay. 1287 01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:04,166 So I'm just going to go over just a couple of the essentials, 1288 01:12:04,233 --> 01:12:06,566 you know, signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose, 1289 01:12:06,633 --> 01:12:08,100 and how to use Narcan 1290 01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:11,000 to reverse an opiate overdose, okay? 1291 01:12:11,066 --> 01:12:12,666 So if you see somebody who you think 1292 01:12:12,733 --> 01:12:14,766 could be experiencing an opiate overdose, 1293 01:12:15,033 --> 01:12:17,000 you say, "Are you okay?" They don't respond. 1294 01:12:17,066 --> 01:12:19,700 You do the sternal rub, they still don't respond. 1295 01:12:19,766 --> 01:12:21,133 Um, you may shake them. 1296 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,333 If they still don't respond, 1297 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,333 that's when you're gonna give Narcan. 1298 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,733 So you're going to give Narcan and call 911. 1299 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,733 You can do whichever you want to do first, but do both. 1300 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,200 Open it up, hold it. Spray it up their nose, okay? 1301 01:12:33,266 --> 01:12:34,566 If it's not an overdose, 1302 01:12:34,633 --> 01:12:36,100 it's not going to hurt them, and it won't work. 1303 01:12:36,166 --> 01:12:37,433 But if it is an overdose, 1304 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,000 it's gonna save their life. 1305 01:12:39,066 --> 01:12:40,400 Okay? 1306 01:12:40,466 --> 01:12:42,066 Harry: Focusing on harm reduction is what's going 1307 01:12:42,133 --> 01:12:45,133 to bring people out of this crisis. 1308 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,300 Safe consumption sites, 1309 01:12:46,366 --> 01:12:49,066 reducing stigma, and helping drug users 1310 01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,533 is the long goal, so. 1311 01:13:01,133 --> 01:13:03,000 Assemblywoman: Okay, we're going to start the hearing. 1312 01:13:03,066 --> 01:13:04,766 Um, good morning. 1313 01:13:05,033 --> 01:13:07,666 I'd like to welcome you to today's hearing 1314 01:13:07,733 --> 01:13:09,533 on the adequacy of funding 1315 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,366 for substance use disorder services. 1316 01:13:12,433 --> 01:13:14,566 Our next witness is Nan Goldin, 1317 01:13:14,633 --> 01:13:19,300 founder of Prescription Addiction Intervention Now. 1318 01:13:19,366 --> 01:13:23,100 I'm gonna speak, by and large, from the personal experience. 1319 01:13:23,166 --> 01:13:26,600 That maybe will help inform you of what it means, 1320 01:13:26,666 --> 01:13:30,066 some of these, uh, bills that you're trying to pass, 1321 01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:32,733 what it actually impacts on a human being. 1322 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:38,066 "I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy without buprenorphine. 1323 01:13:38,133 --> 01:13:40,266 "On a small dose of buprenorphine, 1324 01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:42,633 "cravings for opioids are reduced. 1325 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:44,166 "At larger doses, 1326 01:13:44,233 --> 01:13:47,533 "you can't even feel the effects of opioids if you try. 1327 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,200 "I was one of the lucky ones 1328 01:13:49,266 --> 01:13:52,066 "who was able to access MAT immediately 1329 01:13:52,133 --> 01:13:53,533 "and afford good treatment. 1330 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,666 "Doctors need to pay to train and receive a waiver 1331 01:13:56,733 --> 01:13:58,533 "to prescribe buprenorphine, 1332 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,766 "when no such certificate is required 1333 01:14:01,033 --> 01:14:02,533 "to prescribe OxyContin. 1334 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,233 "Again, this is a policy that increases 1335 01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:07,533 "the stigma in the medical community 1336 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,500 "about treating people addicted to drugs. 1337 01:14:10,566 --> 01:14:12,633 "People need to be kept alive. 1338 01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:15,066 "Addiction is not a moral issue. 1339 01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:17,066 "It is not a criminal issue. 1340 01:14:17,133 --> 01:14:19,766 "Harm reduction means not only recovering 1341 01:14:20,033 --> 01:14:22,566 "the harm caused by the disease of addiction, 1342 01:14:22,633 --> 01:14:27,033 "but also the harm caused by the social and moral assault 1343 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,400 on people with substance use disorder." 1344 01:14:31,766 --> 01:14:32,733 Assemblywoman: Thank you very much. 1345 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,400 It's important to hear from people 1346 01:14:34,466 --> 01:14:37,300 who take, uh, Medication-Assisted Treatment. 1347 01:14:37,366 --> 01:14:39,366 -But I'm not ashamed of it. -Assemblywoman: No. 1348 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:42,000 And it's not my road to recovery. 1349 01:14:42,066 --> 01:14:43,166 -Assemblywoman: Right. -It is my recovery. 1350 01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:44,733 Assemblywoman: That's important to share. 1351 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,466 People think you have to be off everything 1352 01:14:47,533 --> 01:14:49,266 in order to be in recovery, 1353 01:14:49,333 --> 01:14:51,333 and that's certainly not true. 1354 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,533 Nan: Yeah, the stigma is terrible. 1355 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,400 Assemblywoman: Okay. Thank you so much. 1356 01:15:10,466 --> 01:15:12,066 Person: Yeah, right here. 1357 01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:13,666 Okay. 1358 01:15:13,733 --> 01:15:15,033 Nan: Lock arms? 1359 01:15:19,266 --> 01:15:21,066 Megan: We joined with 1360 01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:24,166 Housing Works and Vocal-New York, 1361 01:15:24,233 --> 01:15:26,366 who really wanted to do an action. 1362 01:15:26,433 --> 01:15:28,700 -Protester: And we are here... -Group: We are here... 1363 01:15:28,766 --> 01:15:30,566 Protester: ...to draw attention to... 1364 01:15:30,633 --> 01:15:32,366 Group: ...to draw attention to... 1365 01:15:32,433 --> 01:15:34,466 ...Overdose Awareness Day! 1366 01:15:34,533 --> 01:15:36,600 Group: ...overdose Awareness Day! 1367 01:15:36,666 --> 01:15:39,000 -No stigma! -No shame! 1368 01:15:39,066 --> 01:15:40,733 -No stigma! -No shame! 1369 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,033 -No stigma! -Group: No shame! 1370 01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:46,166 -No stigma! -Group: No shame! 1371 01:15:46,233 --> 01:15:47,766 Annatina Miescher: In order to do the harm reduction, 1372 01:15:48,033 --> 01:15:49,733 the safe consumption sites 1373 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,333 invite people in 1374 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,600 and say, "Look... 1375 01:15:53,633 --> 01:15:55,433 "Whatever you're dependent on 1376 01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:58,033 "is not what we question right now. 1377 01:15:58,100 --> 01:16:01,266 "We just want you to be able to, to do it in a safe way. 1378 01:16:01,333 --> 01:16:02,733 "Not put anybody at risk. 1379 01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,266 "Here's how to shoot up in a clean way. 1380 01:16:07,333 --> 01:16:10,033 You don't know what you bought, we'll test it for you." 1381 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,300 Protester: Hey, Cuomo, what do you say? 1382 01:16:13,366 --> 01:16:15,200 Group: How many people died today? 1383 01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:17,200 (indistinct police radio chatter) 1384 01:16:17,266 --> 01:16:19,033 Group: How many people died today? 1385 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,300 Protester: Hey, Cuomo, what do you say? 1386 01:16:21,366 --> 01:16:23,300 Group: How many people died today? 1387 01:16:23,366 --> 01:16:26,333 (chanting) No more deaths! No more deaths! 1388 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,100 No more deaths! 1389 01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:33,433 (people cheering) 1390 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:37,200 (projector clicking) 1391 01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,766 Nan: I went to rehab for the first time in 1988. 1392 01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:59,233 I had been kind of isolated from my friends. 1393 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:06,000 I thought I was going back to my community. 1394 01:17:06,066 --> 01:17:10,333 And then I realized most of the people were dead or dying. 1395 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,433 Group: (chanting) We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1396 01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:14,533 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1397 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,566 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1398 01:17:16,633 --> 01:17:18,566 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1399 01:17:18,633 --> 01:17:20,666 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1400 01:17:20,733 --> 01:17:22,166 We'll never be silent again! 1401 01:17:22,233 --> 01:17:25,166 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1402 01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:28,566 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1403 01:17:28,633 --> 01:17:31,266 Protester: Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1404 01:17:31,333 --> 01:17:34,166 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1405 01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:39,000 (crowd cheering) 1406 01:17:39,066 --> 01:17:40,666 Nan: It was like World War II. 1407 01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:44,466 Uh, we watched everybody get wiped out, 1408 01:17:44,533 --> 01:17:46,100 and there was nothing we could do. 1409 01:17:52,133 --> 01:17:54,400 (indistinct chatter) 1410 01:17:54,466 --> 01:17:56,400 Nan: I got a call from Artists Space, 1411 01:17:56,466 --> 01:17:59,033 and they asked me to curate a show. 1412 01:18:02,066 --> 01:18:05,333 I wanted the subject of it to be AIDS. 1413 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,133 And I was told there hadn't been 1414 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,333 any shows about AIDS. 1415 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,700 I asked all my friends 1416 01:18:16,766 --> 01:18:18,533 to contribute something 1417 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,633 because I wanted it to be a community. 1418 01:18:21,766 --> 01:18:23,700 It was the first show I curated. 1419 01:18:27,366 --> 01:18:29,033 David Wojnarowicz: Mortality no longer feels 1420 01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,200 like some abstraction that I could push away 1421 01:18:31,266 --> 01:18:33,566 to the age of 80 or 90 or-- 1422 01:18:33,633 --> 01:18:37,100 You know, there's no longer a luxury of, of... 1423 01:18:37,166 --> 01:18:39,633 pushing the idea of mortality away. 1424 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,766 Nan: David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide. 1425 01:18:47,033 --> 01:18:49,100 He was my political guide. 1426 01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,066 David: "If you want to stop AIDS, shoot the queers," 1427 01:18:57,133 --> 01:18:58,766 says the governor of Texas on the radio. 1428 01:18:59,033 --> 01:19:00,633 And his press secretary later claims 1429 01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:02,333 that the governor was only joking 1430 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,466 and didn't know the microphone was turned on. 1431 01:19:04,533 --> 01:19:06,000 And besides, he didn't think it would hurt 1432 01:19:06,066 --> 01:19:08,200 his chances for re-election anyways. 1433 01:19:08,266 --> 01:19:09,566 And I wake up every morning. 1434 01:19:09,633 --> 01:19:13,000 I wake up every morning in this killing machine called America, 1435 01:19:13,066 --> 01:19:15,466 and I'm carrying this rage like a blood-filled egg. 1436 01:19:15,533 --> 01:19:17,666 And there's a thin line, a thin line 1437 01:19:17,733 --> 01:19:19,533 between the inside and the outside, 1438 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,766 a thin line between thought and action. 1439 01:19:22,033 --> 01:19:25,666 And that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone. 1440 01:19:25,733 --> 01:19:27,233 And I've been looking all my life 1441 01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:28,466 at the signs around us, 1442 01:19:28,533 --> 01:19:30,200 in the media, or on people's lips, 1443 01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:33,066 the religious types outside St. Patrick's Cathedral, 1444 01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:35,400 shouting to the men and women in the gay parade, 1445 01:19:35,466 --> 01:19:36,666 "You won't be here next year. 1446 01:19:36,733 --> 01:19:39,133 You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!" 1447 01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:48,166 Nan Goldin, uh, curated this show 1448 01:19:48,233 --> 01:19:51,666 with the idea of choosing the work 1449 01:19:51,733 --> 01:19:53,633 of people that she knew 1450 01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:55,433 who were affected by AIDS, 1451 01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:57,333 who were living with AIDS. 1452 01:19:59,566 --> 01:20:03,133 She wanted to dispel the notion of AIDS victim. 1453 01:20:05,066 --> 01:20:07,533 Now, I'm hardly a victim if I can resist. 1454 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,166 What I see is institutionalized ignorance 1455 01:20:10,233 --> 01:20:11,566 about this epidemic. 1456 01:20:14,766 --> 01:20:18,466 She also wanted to deal with issues of sexuality 1457 01:20:18,533 --> 01:20:20,566 in the midst of this epidemic. 1458 01:20:23,566 --> 01:20:26,666 That there was sexuality, there was safe sexuality, 1459 01:20:26,733 --> 01:20:31,100 and that, uh, that this was going to continue to occur 1460 01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:32,666 despite, you know, the silencing 1461 01:20:32,733 --> 01:20:35,400 of that information by a church or government. 1462 01:20:38,466 --> 01:20:41,066 Nan: There is really important work in the show. 1463 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,033 Like David's. Like Peter Hujar's. 1464 01:20:49,066 --> 01:20:51,300 Philip-Lorca diCorcia. 1465 01:20:52,233 --> 01:20:53,766 Mark Morrisroe. 1466 01:20:54,733 --> 01:20:56,566 Greer Lankton. 1467 01:20:58,133 --> 01:20:59,733 Darrel Ellis. 1468 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,533 People both really well-known and people unknown. 1469 01:21:06,266 --> 01:21:09,700 It was about the loss of a community. 1470 01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:14,433 And trying to keep people's legacy alive. 1471 01:21:20,433 --> 01:21:23,366 I called David and asked him to write for my catalogue. 1472 01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,366 I sent him pictures 1473 01:21:27,433 --> 01:21:29,633 of some of the work that, that was in it, 1474 01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:32,700 and I said, "You can write whatever you want. 1475 01:21:32,766 --> 01:21:35,200 I'll support whatever you write." 1476 01:21:35,266 --> 01:21:38,633 I was asked to write a catalogue essay 1477 01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:41,400 pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS 1478 01:21:41,466 --> 01:21:42,700 and a community of people. 1479 01:21:42,766 --> 01:21:44,600 So I started talking about 1480 01:21:44,666 --> 01:21:46,766 what I was experiencing right there in my life 1481 01:21:47,033 --> 01:21:49,666 and dealing with image and representation 1482 01:21:49,733 --> 01:21:51,733 and everything seen through the framework 1483 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,100 of having a taboo disease in this society. 1484 01:21:57,166 --> 01:22:00,533 Nan: I love that this tiny, little, skinny catalogue 1485 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,266 with, like, thumbnail reproductions 1486 01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:04,533 in black and white 1487 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,366 could cause a major political shake-up. 1488 01:22:11,066 --> 01:22:13,133 Newsreader: At the Artists Space Gallery in Tribeca, 1489 01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,166 preparations are still underway for next week's exhibit, 1490 01:22:16,233 --> 01:22:17,700 but the National Endowment of the Arts 1491 01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:19,533 has canceled its grant. 1492 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,533 Newsreader 2: The National Endowment for the Arts refuses 1493 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,100 to sponsor an art show here in New York City 1494 01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:26,633 because it deals with AIDS and homosexuality 1495 01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,300 and also offends some political sensibilities. 1496 01:22:29,366 --> 01:22:31,766 One thing I want to point out is that it's artist-organized. 1497 01:22:32,033 --> 01:22:35,100 It's organized by a photographer named Nan Goldin... 1498 01:22:35,166 --> 01:22:37,000 Nan: Susan Wyatt, the director, 1499 01:22:37,066 --> 01:22:39,600 got nervous about David's writing, 1500 01:22:39,666 --> 01:22:42,666 and so she took it to the NEA. 1501 01:22:42,733 --> 01:22:45,433 Newsreader 3: The catalogue reportedly criticizes 1502 01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:46,700 Senator Jesse Helms 1503 01:22:46,766 --> 01:22:49,366 for his position on homosexuality and art 1504 01:22:49,433 --> 01:22:52,066 and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor 1505 01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:55,000 "a fat cannibal in a black skirt." 1506 01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:58,533 Interviewer: You think the phone is gonna ring again? 1507 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,033 -Any minute. -Interviewer: About what? 1508 01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:01,366 What do you think-- What do you think it's gonna be-- 1509 01:23:01,433 --> 01:23:03,200 It's probably Cardinal O'Connor, 1510 01:23:03,266 --> 01:23:06,000 you know, expressing his, uh, direct support 1511 01:23:06,066 --> 01:23:07,600 of my statements. 1512 01:23:07,666 --> 01:23:10,066 And, uh, admitting that, 1513 01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:12,200 since he does feast on the body of Christ, 1514 01:23:12,266 --> 01:23:13,666 that he is a cannibal. 1515 01:23:13,733 --> 01:23:17,233 And that, yes, he does have a penchant for black skirts. 1516 01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:21,566 He is fat, translucent, and, uh, immoral. 1517 01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:27,000 (phone ringing) 1518 01:23:27,066 --> 01:23:29,066 Nan: After the news first broke, 1519 01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:31,466 David called, really upset, 1520 01:23:31,533 --> 01:23:34,266 and told me that they were trying 1521 01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:35,566 to make him take out 1522 01:23:35,633 --> 01:23:38,500 "fat fucking cannibal in black skirts." 1523 01:23:38,566 --> 01:23:40,433 (inaudible) 1524 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,433 I think it's very dangerous and very scary. 1525 01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:46,466 I see an outbreak of McCarthyism and a blacklisting of artists 1526 01:23:46,533 --> 01:23:49,466 if this is continued to allow to happen. 1527 01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:53,333 John Frohnmayer: What happened is 1528 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,333 that the artistic focus of the show 1529 01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,400 really was lost. 1530 01:23:56,466 --> 01:23:58,433 And I-- And what, what turned out 1531 01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,333 to be the show in its present form, 1532 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,366 uh, was not, and is not, sound artistically. 1533 01:24:05,433 --> 01:24:07,333 Newsreader: Composer Leonard Bernstein 1534 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,633 managed to become embroiled in the controversy. 1535 01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:12,333 This after declining the National Medal of Arts 1536 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,100 because of the NEA action taking away the grant. 1537 01:24:17,166 --> 01:24:19,233 David: And the thing that makes me laugh is, 1538 01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:21,300 if at this point in time, 1539 01:24:21,366 --> 01:24:22,266 images and words 1540 01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:24,233 that can be made by an individual 1541 01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:25,533 have such power 1542 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,333 to create this, this, uh, storm of controversy, 1543 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:30,500 isn't that great? 1544 01:24:30,566 --> 01:24:32,200 It means that the control of information 1545 01:24:32,266 --> 01:24:34,000 has a crack in its wall. 1546 01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,700 (phone ringing) 1547 01:24:39,433 --> 01:24:40,766 Hello? 1548 01:24:41,033 --> 01:24:42,566 Yeah. 1549 01:24:42,633 --> 01:24:44,333 Hi, uh... (chuckles) 1550 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,133 Well, it's just been a zoo. 1551 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,000 Newsreader: Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up 1552 01:24:49,066 --> 01:24:50,666 an art catalogue on the Senate floor... 1553 01:24:50,733 --> 01:24:53,733 David: How can they ignore the political aspect of AIDS? 1554 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,433 Is the fact that I may be dying 1555 01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:58,133 of AIDS in 1989, is that not political? 1556 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,133 Is the fact that I don't have health insurance 1557 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,400 and I don't have access to adequate health care, 1558 01:25:02,466 --> 01:25:04,000 is that not political? 1559 01:25:09,566 --> 01:25:12,500 (somber music playing) 1560 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,533 Nan: Vittorio was given three months to live, 1561 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,266 and he started drawing cartoons. 1562 01:25:31,466 --> 01:25:34,266 He was still alive a year and a half later. 1563 01:25:37,466 --> 01:25:40,533 That's the, the wake of Vittorio. 1564 01:25:47,633 --> 01:25:49,700 Cookie had already lost her voice. 1565 01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:53,266 She was constantly writing 1566 01:25:53,333 --> 01:25:56,200 so people could see what she needed and wanted. 1567 01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,466 Then Sharon came back to take care of Cookie. 1568 01:26:06,066 --> 01:26:09,366 The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie... 1569 01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:11,633 to me, this is the meaning of love. 1570 01:26:18,333 --> 01:26:20,000 I was raging. 1571 01:26:20,066 --> 01:26:22,266 "Call this doctor. Call that doctor. 1572 01:26:22,333 --> 01:26:24,633 "Someone's gonna be able to help her. 1573 01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:26,066 "There's got to be something. 1574 01:26:26,133 --> 01:26:28,666 There's a treatment out there somewhere." 1575 01:26:28,733 --> 01:26:31,466 And then to realize there was no doctor to call. 1576 01:26:31,533 --> 01:26:33,766 It was just-- I didn't get it. 1577 01:26:43,466 --> 01:26:46,533 ♪ ♪ 1578 01:26:51,500 --> 01:26:54,766 We had Cookie's memorial at St. Mark's Church, 1579 01:26:55,033 --> 01:26:57,466 and the next day, "Witnesses" opened. 1580 01:27:01,066 --> 01:27:02,466 David: My name is David Wojnarowicz. 1581 01:27:02,533 --> 01:27:05,300 And I'd like to read this in memory of Peter Hujar, 1582 01:27:05,366 --> 01:27:08,033 Keith Davis, Bebe Smith, 1583 01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:11,200 Cookie Mueller, Vittorio. 1584 01:27:11,266 --> 01:27:14,500 One of the first steps in making the private grief public 1585 01:27:14,566 --> 01:27:16,600 is the ritual of memorials, 1586 01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:18,333 and I've attended a number of memorials 1587 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,000 in the last five years. 1588 01:27:20,066 --> 01:27:21,233 And at the last one I attended, 1589 01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,233 I suddenly found myself experiencing 1590 01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:25,066 something akin to rage. 1591 01:27:25,133 --> 01:27:27,466 And what made me angry, what made me angry was 1592 01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:29,766 realizing that the memorial had little reverberation 1593 01:27:30,033 --> 01:27:31,400 outside the room it was held in. 1594 01:27:31,466 --> 01:27:33,200 And at the same time, worry that friends 1595 01:27:33,266 --> 01:27:35,433 will solely become professional pallbearers, 1596 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:37,333 waiting for each death of their lovers, 1597 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,466 friends, and neighbors 1598 01:27:38,533 --> 01:27:40,400 and polishing their funereal speeches, 1599 01:27:40,466 --> 01:27:42,700 perfecting their rituals of death rather than 1600 01:27:42,766 --> 01:27:45,100 a relatively simple ritual of life, 1601 01:27:45,166 --> 01:27:48,266 such as screaming in the streets. 1602 01:27:48,333 --> 01:27:50,433 Group: (chanting) Not the church! Not the state! 1603 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,533 We decide what art is great! 1604 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,566 Not the church! Not the state! 1605 01:27:54,633 --> 01:27:56,533 We decide what art is great! 1606 01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,366 Not the church! Not the state! 1607 01:27:58,433 --> 01:28:00,300 Step on the sidewalk, can't stay in the street. 1608 01:28:00,366 --> 01:28:02,100 David: And I imagine what it would be like 1609 01:28:02,166 --> 01:28:03,533 if friends had a demonstration 1610 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,633 each time a lover or a friend or a stranger died of AIDS. 1611 01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:08,266 And I imagine what it would be like 1612 01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:11,300 each time a lover, friend, or stranger died of AIDS 1613 01:28:11,366 --> 01:28:12,633 or of this disease, their friends, 1614 01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:15,100 lovers, or neighbors would take their dead body 1615 01:28:15,166 --> 01:28:16,500 and drive with it in a car 1616 01:28:16,566 --> 01:28:18,766 a hundred miles an hour to Washington, D.C., 1617 01:28:19,033 --> 01:28:20,700 and blast through the gates of the White House 1618 01:28:20,766 --> 01:28:23,066 and come to a screeching halt before the entrance 1619 01:28:23,133 --> 01:28:24,700 and then dump their lifeless forms 1620 01:28:24,766 --> 01:28:26,366 on the front steps. 1621 01:28:27,633 --> 01:28:30,233 But bottom line, even a tiny charcoal scratching 1622 01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,466 done as a gesture to mark a person's response to this epidemic 1623 01:28:33,533 --> 01:28:37,300 means whole worlds to me if it's hung in public. 1624 01:28:37,366 --> 01:28:40,000 And bottom line, we have to find our own forms 1625 01:28:40,066 --> 01:28:41,433 of gesture and communication. 1626 01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:43,533 You can never depend on the mass media 1627 01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,700 to reflect us or our needs 1628 01:28:45,766 --> 01:28:48,000 or our states of mind. 1629 01:28:48,066 --> 01:28:50,100 Group: (chanting) Art is sex and politics. 1630 01:28:50,166 --> 01:28:54,466 NEA, stop your tricks. Art is sex and politics. 1631 01:28:57,033 --> 01:29:01,300 Nan: Mark Morrisroe died soon after it opened. 1632 01:29:06,433 --> 01:29:09,700 David Wojnarowicz died in 1992. 1633 01:29:14,033 --> 01:29:17,466 People don't really understand the anger and frustration 1634 01:29:17,533 --> 01:29:20,100 and pain of those years. 1635 01:29:24,366 --> 01:29:27,266 They don't understand what we went through. 1636 01:29:33,433 --> 01:29:35,066 It's still killing people. 1637 01:29:37,066 --> 01:29:38,466 It never went away. 1638 01:29:42,733 --> 01:29:46,300 David Armstrong died in 2014. 1639 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,666 You know, we spent a lot of our life together. 1640 01:29:58,433 --> 01:30:00,733 Decades of friendship. 1641 01:30:22,166 --> 01:30:25,433 (group chanting in French) 1642 01:30:40,733 --> 01:30:41,766 Many people have started 1643 01:30:42,033 --> 01:30:44,633 to refuse donations from the Sacklers, 1644 01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:49,133 including the Guggenheim Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate, 1645 01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,000 and the National Portrait Gallery, 1646 01:30:51,066 --> 01:30:54,066 as well as medical institutions worldwide. 1647 01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:58,733 We need to demand that the Louvre stand by and hear us, 1648 01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,266 and be the first to take down their name. 1649 01:31:04,733 --> 01:31:08,700 (drumming) 1650 01:31:08,766 --> 01:31:12,266 ♪ ♪ 1651 01:31:40,466 --> 01:31:41,566 (projector clicking) 1652 01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:52,100 Laura: Can I ask you a question? 1653 01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:54,200 Nan: What? 1654 01:31:54,266 --> 01:31:56,166 Laura: When you overdosed, were you alone? 1655 01:31:57,233 --> 01:31:58,333 Nan: Yeah. 1656 01:32:00,166 --> 01:32:01,233 Totally. 1657 01:32:05,533 --> 01:32:08,000 I thought it was dope so I snorted it, 1658 01:32:08,066 --> 01:32:09,433 and it was fentanyl. 1659 01:32:11,566 --> 01:32:13,500 And a lot of people want fentanyl, 1660 01:32:13,566 --> 01:32:16,633 but I was not prepared for fentanyl. 1661 01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:20,700 And I just went out like that. 1662 01:32:20,766 --> 01:32:22,200 I just went out. 1663 01:32:24,233 --> 01:32:26,100 And then I came back. 1664 01:32:26,166 --> 01:32:27,666 And then I went out again. 1665 01:32:29,566 --> 01:32:32,233 Nobody brought me back. I just came back. 1666 01:32:33,433 --> 01:32:36,733 I'm so lucky that I came back by myself. 1667 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,000 I mean, all the judgment 1668 01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:48,600 of people who are addicted to drugs 1669 01:32:48,666 --> 01:32:50,666 are stigmatized without understanding 1670 01:32:50,733 --> 01:32:54,666 what the experience of not having these drugs is. 1671 01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,733 To have to go through withdrawal, 1672 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,333 your brain is stripped of its opioid receptors, 1673 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,533 so you have no protection from any kind of pain. 1674 01:33:11,766 --> 01:33:14,166 It's not just the physical part. 1675 01:33:15,366 --> 01:33:16,466 It's like... 1676 01:33:17,366 --> 01:33:18,633 the darkest... 1677 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:21,533 you can go. 1678 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,633 It's a darkness of the soul. 1679 01:33:26,666 --> 01:33:28,300 It's unbearable. 1680 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,300 (tense music playing) 1681 01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:48,300 (phone line beeping) 1682 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,533 Person 1: (on phone) Okay. I am here. 1683 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,400 You can come by whenever you want. 1684 01:33:54,466 --> 01:33:55,600 -Person 2: (on phone) Hello? -Person 1: (on phone) Hi. 1685 01:33:55,666 --> 01:33:56,733 Person 2: What did you say? 1686 01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,066 Person 1: I'm here at the restaurant. 1687 01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,433 You can come here whenever you want. 1688 01:34:00,500 --> 01:34:02,166 Person 2: Great. How many did you get? 1689 01:34:02,233 --> 01:34:03,633 Person 1: All that you wanted. 1690 01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:05,000 (phone hangs up) 1691 01:34:17,666 --> 01:34:19,633 (phone line beeping) 1692 01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:21,600 -Person 3: (on phone) Yeah? -Person 4: (on phone) Hi. 1693 01:34:21,666 --> 01:34:22,600 Person 3: Who is it? 1694 01:34:22,666 --> 01:34:23,766 Person 4: You still in the bed? 1695 01:34:24,033 --> 01:34:26,700 Person 3: Oh no, I never went to sleep. 1696 01:34:26,766 --> 01:34:30,133 You know what really, like, hit me as peculiar? 1697 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,266 -Person 4: Hmm? -Person 3: And I've been thinking 1698 01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:33,333 about it all morning. 1699 01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:34,466 Person 4: Hmm? 1700 01:34:34,533 --> 01:34:36,333 Person 3: Misery does not love company. 1701 01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:37,600 Misery loves attention... 1702 01:34:37,666 --> 01:34:40,100 -(Person 4 laughs) -Person 3: ...in this case. 1703 01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,033 (wipers swishing) 1704 01:35:14,233 --> 01:35:18,400 (people chattering) 1705 01:35:23,700 --> 01:35:27,000 Nan: The supply has become very dirty. 1706 01:35:27,066 --> 01:35:28,433 Basically lethal. 1707 01:35:31,633 --> 01:35:33,333 Okay. Here we go. 1708 01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,400 Fentanyl is in everything now. 1709 01:35:35,466 --> 01:35:36,666 (indistinct chatter) 1710 01:35:36,733 --> 01:35:38,333 Nan: Isn't this is fentanyl here? 1711 01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,566 Person: So fentanyl has, like, one big peak, 1712 01:35:40,633 --> 01:35:42,500 -coke has two peaks right here. -Nan: Okay. 1713 01:35:42,566 --> 01:35:44,333 Person: And they're at slightly different numbers. 1714 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:45,533 Nan: Okay. 1715 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,600 Person: Um, here you can see this deviates. 1716 01:35:57,333 --> 01:36:01,000 Nan: You want to show them the bloody ones you did? 1717 01:36:01,066 --> 01:36:04,166 No, but it's good 'cause then it will be obvious it's not real. 1718 01:36:04,233 --> 01:36:06,300 (indistinct chatter) 1719 01:36:10,233 --> 01:36:11,733 What is our messaging? What are we-- 1720 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,066 Harry: Our messaging is, 1721 01:36:13,133 --> 01:36:14,433 "Purdue is bankrupt, 1722 01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:16,000 "but the Sacklers aren't. 1723 01:36:16,066 --> 01:36:17,200 "Their personal wealth 1724 01:36:17,266 --> 01:36:19,200 "has all been made from OxyContin, 1725 01:36:19,266 --> 01:36:21,500 and it needs to be taken from them." 1726 01:36:21,566 --> 01:36:23,333 Nan: I think the messaging is 1727 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,700 -the Sacklers are getting away with murder. -Yeah. 1728 01:36:25,766 --> 01:36:29,100 Nan: We want their money and where we want to spend it. 1729 01:36:29,166 --> 01:36:30,600 Person: Addressing the fact that they moved... 1730 01:36:30,666 --> 01:36:34,266 Patrick: The company ends up declaring bankruptcy. 1731 01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:39,666 That's this kind of amazing escape hatch because... 1732 01:36:39,733 --> 01:36:42,700 what happens is that Purdue, the company, says, 1733 01:36:42,766 --> 01:36:44,400 "Listen, we realize there's all these lawsuits, 1734 01:36:44,466 --> 01:36:47,500 "but we don't have the resources to, 1735 01:36:47,566 --> 01:36:50,033 "to fight or settle them all, 1736 01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:51,600 "and so instead we're gonna declare bankruptcy 1737 01:36:51,666 --> 01:36:54,566 because our coffers are almost empty." 1738 01:36:54,633 --> 01:36:57,600 But the reason that the coffers are almost empty, we now know, 1739 01:36:57,666 --> 01:37:00,066 is that behind the scenes for a decade 1740 01:37:00,133 --> 01:37:02,633 leading up to this bankruptcy plea, 1741 01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,133 the Sacklers have been quietly siphoning money 1742 01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:06,500 out of the company. 1743 01:37:06,566 --> 01:37:09,400 So they took more than $10 billion 1744 01:37:09,466 --> 01:37:13,133 out of the company before it declares bankruptcy. 1745 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,700 -Protester: Whose money? -Group: Our money! 1746 01:37:15,766 --> 01:37:18,433 -Protester: Whose blood? -Group: Our blood! 1747 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,100 -Protester: Whose money? -Group: Our money! 1748 01:37:21,166 --> 01:37:23,666 -Protester: Whose blood? -Group: Our blood! 1749 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,600 Person: You think they could get away with this? 1750 01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:35,333 Of course. Yes. 1751 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,066 I never expected that they'd be held accountable. 1752 01:37:38,133 --> 01:37:39,600 I don't think that much money 1753 01:37:39,666 --> 01:37:42,400 can be taken away from a billionaire family. 1754 01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:50,033 Mike Quinn: The fact that a bankruptcy court is deciding 1755 01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:51,433 a public-- an issue of pu-- 1756 01:37:51,500 --> 01:37:54,200 like, a public crisis issue is crazy. 1757 01:37:55,033 --> 01:37:56,266 That's the problem. 1758 01:37:56,333 --> 01:37:59,033 So I've been involved since the beginning basically. 1759 01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:00,433 At some point, a light bulb went on, and I was like, 1760 01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:03,566 "Let's bring the activism into the courtroom," 1761 01:38:03,633 --> 01:38:05,666 and, um, ever since then, 1762 01:38:05,733 --> 01:38:08,366 we've been fighting in the court. 1763 01:38:08,433 --> 01:38:11,266 And we weren't exactly welcomed the first time. 1764 01:38:12,666 --> 01:38:15,100 You know, we're like, like little assassins. 1765 01:38:15,166 --> 01:38:19,100 We, like, go in and, mm-mm, and get out. 1766 01:38:19,166 --> 01:38:22,266 I told the lawyer for Purdue that 1767 01:38:22,333 --> 01:38:23,766 I'm doing it pro-bono. 1768 01:38:24,033 --> 01:38:25,466 He was like, "What?" 1769 01:38:27,666 --> 01:38:29,433 (chuckles) 1770 01:38:29,500 --> 01:38:32,066 He was like, "What? Wait, what?" 1771 01:38:32,133 --> 01:38:35,066 You know, because they spent $30 million a month 1772 01:38:35,133 --> 01:38:36,733 on legal fees and professional fees 1773 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,133 in this case. 1774 01:38:40,066 --> 01:38:42,600 There's, like, 80-something attorneys 1775 01:38:42,666 --> 01:38:44,533 and people on this call. 1776 01:38:45,333 --> 01:38:47,133 That's a lot. 1777 01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,000 Judge Drain: (on laptop) Good morning, this is Judge Drain. 1778 01:38:50,066 --> 01:38:53,200 This is a completely telephonic hearing. 1779 01:38:53,266 --> 01:39:00,033 Uh, we're here today in, in re: Purdue Pharma L.P. 1780 01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:02,500 Your Honor, we think there's a huge mistake here. 1781 01:39:02,566 --> 01:39:06,100 We think the process that the DOJ went through was wrong. 1782 01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:08,566 We think that the results, which are completely vague 1783 01:39:08,633 --> 01:39:13,200 and, you know, baffling to me and my clients, is wrong. 1784 01:39:13,266 --> 01:39:16,633 The DOJ neither invited input from Purdue's victims 1785 01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:18,466 nor the public nor apparently 1786 01:39:18,533 --> 01:39:20,533 any members of the House and Senate. 1787 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,100 The negotiation between these two parties, 1788 01:39:23,166 --> 01:39:26,300 the DOJ and Purdue/the Sacklers alone, 1789 01:39:26,366 --> 01:39:29,733 is not sufficient to make this kind of policy decision. 1790 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,666 My clients are like the Ghost of Christmas Past. 1791 01:39:32,733 --> 01:39:35,133 They're here to tell you in 2007, 1792 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,300 they saw there was a problem, 1793 01:39:37,366 --> 01:39:38,533 the problem got worse, 1794 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,766 and this is our moment-- their moment to tell you 1795 01:39:42,033 --> 01:39:46,300 we gotta make sure that the future is safer. 1796 01:39:46,366 --> 01:39:47,600 Judge Drain: Okay, well... 1797 01:39:48,533 --> 01:39:50,466 Alright, thank you. 1798 01:39:50,533 --> 01:39:52,033 Marshall Huebner: (on laptop) Good morning, Your Honor, 1799 01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:53,300 and good morning to everyone, uh, 1800 01:39:53,366 --> 01:39:55,000 who is on the line. 1801 01:39:55,066 --> 01:39:57,200 Your Honor, Mr. Quinn many times used 1802 01:39:57,266 --> 01:39:59,200 the phrase "Purdue/the Sacklers." 1803 01:39:59,266 --> 01:40:02,400 The kind of suggestion that Purdue and the Sacklers 1804 01:40:02,466 --> 01:40:03,633 are in this together 1805 01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:05,566 is really not helpful. 1806 01:40:05,633 --> 01:40:07,566 And it's just, it's not fair. 1807 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,000 Nan: This is so depressing. 1808 01:40:14,066 --> 01:40:15,266 Thank you so much, Mike. 1809 01:40:15,333 --> 01:40:17,500 Thank you so much for going out there and battling. 1810 01:40:17,566 --> 01:40:18,466 Megan: Yes. 1811 01:40:18,533 --> 01:40:20,133 I feel proud to be doing it, 1812 01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,433 and, um, whatever, you know, we're in it. 1813 01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:26,000 I mean, the fact that our group is in the bankruptcy, 1814 01:40:26,066 --> 01:40:27,233 at the front of the bankruptcy, 1815 01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:29,033 fighting every single thing tooth and nail, 1816 01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:31,633 -is pretty amazing. -Yeah, it's pretty funny. 1817 01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:33,100 It's fucking crazy. 1818 01:40:33,166 --> 01:40:35,500 Is there any chance of criminal charges? 1819 01:40:35,566 --> 01:40:36,733 Mike: No. 1820 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,200 The way the plan's structured, 1821 01:40:38,266 --> 01:40:40,133 if the DOJ filed, 1822 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:42,700 um, criminal charges against the Sacklers now, 1823 01:40:42,766 --> 01:40:45,333 it would blow up the whole bankruptcy. 1824 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,566 So effectively, they just dodged criminal liability. 1825 01:41:06,433 --> 01:41:09,433 We followed these people into bankruptcy court 1826 01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:12,700 and we're watching them completely manipulate 1827 01:41:12,766 --> 01:41:14,100 the justice system. 1828 01:41:14,166 --> 01:41:17,333 There's no justice for us, only for billionaires. 1829 01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,333 So all we can hope 1830 01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,066 is that the money in the settlement 1831 01:41:21,133 --> 01:41:25,066 that goes to the states goes to the right places, 1832 01:41:25,133 --> 01:41:27,633 that it goes to harm reduction and not policing. 1833 01:41:27,700 --> 01:41:30,500 -Right. -(cheering and applause) 1834 01:41:30,566 --> 01:41:34,266 That it goes to groups like you that are saving lives. 1835 01:41:41,066 --> 01:41:43,600 Judge: (on laptop) This is a proceeding in federal court. 1836 01:41:43,666 --> 01:41:46,366 It is being held remotely, 1837 01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:49,400 but the rules and decorum of a federal court apply. 1838 01:41:49,466 --> 01:41:50,700 (Megan whispering indistinctly) 1839 01:41:53,433 --> 01:41:54,533 Megan: Yeah. 1840 01:41:56,633 --> 01:41:57,766 Judge: (on laptop) So let me confirm... 1841 01:41:58,033 --> 01:42:01,200 Uh, I see, uh, David Sackler 1842 01:42:01,266 --> 01:42:04,366 on the screen, and I see, uh, Theresa Sackler. 1843 01:42:05,666 --> 01:42:08,766 Uh, Richard Sackler, uh, is on the phone 1844 01:42:09,033 --> 01:42:12,400 and will stay on the phone throughout this proceeding. 1845 01:42:12,466 --> 01:42:15,266 Uh, Dr. Sackler, can you confirm that for me? 1846 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,033 Richard Sackler: (on phone) Yes, Your Honor, 1847 01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:22,133 I am here on the phone, and I'm listening. 1848 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:23,333 Lawyer: (on laptop) Before we start, 1849 01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,166 there's one clarification I wanted to make. 1850 01:42:26,233 --> 01:42:29,433 I believe Richard said that he is listening. 1851 01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:32,666 I believe he's also supposed to say that he is watching, 1852 01:42:32,733 --> 01:42:35,633 he's supposed to be watching the video but not seen. 1853 01:42:35,700 --> 01:42:37,166 Can he confirm that? 1854 01:42:38,433 --> 01:42:41,500 Richard: Uh, I can confirm that, I saw-- 1855 01:42:41,566 --> 01:42:43,400 I've seen everything. 1856 01:42:43,466 --> 01:42:45,666 Judge: Okay, and, and, uh, that's important. 1857 01:42:45,733 --> 01:42:48,133 And thank you for raising that, Mr. Price. 1858 01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,233 Alright, uh, the first person who will speak today 1859 01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:53,033 is Tiffinee Scott. 1860 01:42:55,733 --> 01:42:57,066 Richard. 1861 01:42:58,033 --> 01:42:59,100 David. 1862 01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:01,400 Theresa. 1863 01:43:01,466 --> 01:43:03,166 We have never met, but I feel like 1864 01:43:03,233 --> 01:43:06,200 I already have a relationship with you 1865 01:43:06,266 --> 01:43:08,533 due to OxyContin. 1866 01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,100 Have you ever provided Narcan to one of your children? 1867 01:43:12,166 --> 01:43:15,033 Have you revived one of your children from an overdose? 1868 01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:18,466 I have. There are no words to describe my pain. 1869 01:43:18,533 --> 01:43:22,733 In May of 2020, she was found unresponsive, life-- 1870 01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,500 lifeless in bed by me, her mother. 1871 01:43:26,566 --> 01:43:31,166 The deceit and horror you all caused, shame on you. 1872 01:43:31,233 --> 01:43:32,566 I remember the day Trent told me 1873 01:43:32,633 --> 01:43:34,366 he was addicted to OxyContin. 1874 01:43:34,433 --> 01:43:37,400 He called me from the campus at the University of Alabama. 1875 01:43:37,466 --> 01:43:40,233 I could tell in his voice, there was great fear. 1876 01:43:40,300 --> 01:43:43,066 I drove the three hours, and he met me in tears, 1877 01:43:43,133 --> 01:43:44,300 we wept together. 1878 01:43:44,366 --> 01:43:46,500 "Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy. 1879 01:43:46,566 --> 01:43:49,100 Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die." And he did. 1880 01:43:49,166 --> 01:43:51,766 -This is so hard. -Victim: (on laptop) I encountered opioids 1881 01:43:52,033 --> 01:43:53,466 for the first time shortly after 1882 01:43:53,533 --> 01:43:55,666 you launched OxyContin. 1883 01:43:55,733 --> 01:43:57,466 And I am one of the living survivors 1884 01:43:57,533 --> 01:43:59,500 of your monumental greed. 1885 01:43:59,566 --> 01:44:00,466 Megan: Oof. 1886 01:44:00,533 --> 01:44:02,533 Victim: I hope that every face, 1887 01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,600 every single victim's face 1888 01:44:05,666 --> 01:44:07,600 haunts your every waking moment... 1889 01:44:07,666 --> 01:44:10,533 -It won't. -Victim: ...and your sleeping ones, too. 1890 01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:11,666 Judge: Thank you. 1891 01:44:11,733 --> 01:44:15,066 The next person to speak is Nan Goldin. 1892 01:44:15,133 --> 01:44:19,300 It's nice to finally see the Sacklers face-to-face. 1893 01:44:19,366 --> 01:44:21,766 The Sacklers' so-called apology, 1894 01:44:22,033 --> 01:44:24,300 which was mandated by this settlement, 1895 01:44:24,366 --> 01:44:28,100 is insulting to all of us who have been damaged by them. 1896 01:44:28,166 --> 01:44:31,766 One family is largely responsible 1897 01:44:32,033 --> 01:44:34,166 for the onset of this crisis. 1898 01:44:34,233 --> 01:44:36,100 that has led to the deaths 1899 01:44:36,166 --> 01:44:38,700 of over half a million Americans, 1900 01:44:38,766 --> 01:44:42,733 and caused irreparable damage for generations to come. 1901 01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,500 Yet their settlement grants them immunity, 1902 01:44:46,566 --> 01:44:48,433 not just for themselves, 1903 01:44:48,500 --> 01:44:51,766 for, for generations of Sacklers to come. 1904 01:44:52,033 --> 01:44:55,166 Purdue has been found guilty of federal crimes, 1905 01:44:55,233 --> 01:44:58,566 but its private owners have never been prosecuted. 1906 01:44:58,633 --> 01:45:03,266 We hope the Justice Department will pursue criminal charges. 1907 01:45:03,333 --> 01:45:04,400 Thank you. 1908 01:45:06,066 --> 01:45:07,533 Judge: Okay, thank you. 1909 01:45:09,633 --> 01:45:16,000 (through speakers, person sobbing indistinctly) 1910 01:45:16,066 --> 01:45:17,533 Dispatcher: (through speakers) They're already on the way, 1911 01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:18,733 they've already been dispatched. 1912 01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,033 Has he taken anything? 1913 01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:21,133 Person 2: I just don't know. 1914 01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,266 He has in the past. 1915 01:45:23,333 --> 01:45:26,166 (person sobbing indistinctly) 1916 01:45:26,233 --> 01:45:27,600 Megan: Oh, my God. 1917 01:45:27,666 --> 01:45:31,266 (indistinct chatter) 1918 01:45:31,333 --> 01:45:32,733 Dispatcher: You said he's 20 years old? 1919 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,066 -Person: Yes. -Dispatcher: What's his name? 1920 01:45:35,133 --> 01:45:36,600 - Person: Pardon me? - Dispatcher: What's his name? 1921 01:45:36,666 --> 01:45:38,466 Person: Bryan... (indistinct) 1922 01:45:38,533 --> 01:45:40,300 Dispatcher: Okay. We're on the way, okay? 1923 01:45:40,366 --> 01:45:42,000 Person 2: Thank you, sir. 1924 01:45:43,733 --> 01:45:46,666 4,804 days. 1925 01:45:46,733 --> 01:45:48,666 Richard, if you're still listening, 1926 01:45:48,733 --> 01:45:53,300 that's how many days since I made that horrifying call. 1927 01:45:53,366 --> 01:45:55,000 I have lived with the pain and heartache 1928 01:45:55,066 --> 01:45:57,200 as a result of the loss of my only child, 1929 01:45:57,266 --> 01:46:01,100 a pain you will never understand. 1930 01:46:01,166 --> 01:46:05,300 I can only echo the pain and suffering, 1931 01:46:05,366 --> 01:46:08,133 um, that Kristy feels and that all of us 1932 01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,233 that are here today feel. 1933 01:46:11,433 --> 01:46:13,066 I want to point out to the Sacklers 1934 01:46:13,133 --> 01:46:16,533 that by the time this two-hour hearing is over, 1935 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,633 you can add 16 more people 1936 01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:21,066 to your death list. 1937 01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:27,300 (projector clicking) 1938 01:46:36,166 --> 01:46:39,300 Nan: I asked my father for... 1939 01:46:39,366 --> 01:46:41,766 records from the hospitals she'd been in. 1940 01:46:43,766 --> 01:46:47,700 And he gave them to me without reading them himself. 1941 01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:56,233 So this box came... 1942 01:46:56,300 --> 01:46:59,066 "The Box," I think of it as, 1943 01:46:59,133 --> 01:47:00,733 with the primary documents. 1944 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:06,166 (solemn music playing, choir sings indistinctly) 1945 01:47:06,233 --> 01:47:08,033 There was the history of Barbara 1946 01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,000 for me to read and... 1947 01:47:10,733 --> 01:47:13,133 I was terrified. 1948 01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,500 I wanted to know, but I didn't want to know. 1949 01:47:16,566 --> 01:47:20,333 (solemn choir continues singing indistinctly) 1950 01:47:27,566 --> 01:47:30,733 I didn't understand that the first place she was sent 1951 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,666 was actually an orphanage. 1952 01:47:37,166 --> 01:47:40,300 And then she burned down the curtains and ran away. 1953 01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:47,233 She's described as a "rebellious adolescent." 1954 01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:56,000 (choir whispers indistinctly, continues singing) 1955 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,166 It says in the interviews 1956 01:47:59,233 --> 01:48:02,166 that the psychiatrist thought that 1957 01:48:02,233 --> 01:48:04,066 Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital, 1958 01:48:04,133 --> 01:48:05,766 not Miss Goldin. 1959 01:48:06,033 --> 01:48:09,500 And that's actually written in the hospital record. 1960 01:48:15,733 --> 01:48:19,700 My mother had been sexually abused for years 1961 01:48:19,766 --> 01:48:21,433 by a family member. 1962 01:48:24,466 --> 01:48:26,533 And when my sister hit puberty, 1963 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,500 my mother couldn't cope with it. 1964 01:48:29,566 --> 01:48:33,100 (choir continues singing, chanting indistinctly) 1965 01:48:37,333 --> 01:48:39,233 My sister didn't have any outlet. 1966 01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:41,333 She didn't have any context. 1967 01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,400 It was not mental illness. 1968 01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,366 (singing, chanting continue) 1969 01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:53,633 I just knew how hard it was for her to be alive. 1970 01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,566 She wanted a home so badly. 1971 01:49:01,766 --> 01:49:03,400 If she had found people... 1972 01:49:04,333 --> 01:49:05,533 if she'd been loved... 1973 01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,200 she would have survived. 1974 01:49:09,266 --> 01:49:11,266 (song fades out) 1975 01:49:26,733 --> 01:49:29,033 (train horn blaring) 1976 01:49:36,766 --> 01:49:38,466 Narrator: Persons in the area told police 1977 01:49:38,533 --> 01:49:40,766 they had seen Miss Goldin a short time before 1978 01:49:41,033 --> 01:49:44,333 when she asked when the next train was due to pass. 1979 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,466 Shortly before 5:30 p.m., persons said, 1980 01:49:47,533 --> 01:49:49,100 Miss Goldin put her pocketbook 1981 01:49:49,166 --> 01:49:51,066 on the ground next to the tracks, 1982 01:49:51,133 --> 01:49:53,533 then lay down across the tracks 1983 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,300 as the Capitol Limited approached. 1984 01:49:56,366 --> 01:49:58,233 The train's engineer told police 1985 01:49:58,300 --> 01:50:01,266 they saw her and nailed the brakes 1986 01:50:01,333 --> 01:50:04,066 but were unable to stop the train. 1987 01:50:04,133 --> 01:50:08,433 Pathological examiner ruled her death as a suicide. 1988 01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:11,766 Other significant conditions contributing to death: 1989 01:50:12,033 --> 01:50:13,700 Severe mental depression. 1990 01:50:27,066 --> 01:50:29,033 Nan: I mean, that's the problem, you know? 1991 01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:30,433 You grow up being told, 1992 01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:33,533 "That didn't happen. You didn't see that. 1993 01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:34,766 You didn't hear that." 1994 01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:37,533 And what do you do? 1995 01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,666 How do you believe yourself? 1996 01:50:39,733 --> 01:50:40,766 How do you trust yourself? 1997 01:50:41,033 --> 01:50:43,033 How do you continue to trust yourself? 1998 01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:47,233 And then how do you show the world 1999 01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:51,166 that you did experience that, that you did hear that? 2000 01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:54,133 And so that's the reason I take pictures. 2001 01:50:57,133 --> 01:50:59,066 Oh. (chuckles) 2002 01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:05,666 -Nan, what are you... -Nan: Beautiful, 2003 01:51:05,733 --> 01:51:07,133 you look beautiful. 2004 01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,533 -Nan, does that have sound? -Nan: Yeah. 2005 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:10,700 Oh, my dear! 2006 01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,600 Let's go, honey. 2007 01:51:17,300 --> 01:51:20,400 Nan: My mom's a dance fanatic. 2008 01:51:20,466 --> 01:51:22,366 (laughs) 2009 01:51:22,433 --> 01:51:25,433 And she's gonna teach her old husband how to move it. 2010 01:51:26,566 --> 01:51:28,300 I like to do this... 2011 01:51:29,666 --> 01:51:31,733 -Nan: Go, Mom! -Go for it. 2012 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,200 ("Mack The Knife" by The Arthur Murray Orchestra plays through speakers) 2013 01:51:38,366 --> 01:51:42,100 Nan: My father and mother were not equipped to be parents. 2014 01:51:44,366 --> 01:51:48,333 They had children because it was expected, 2015 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,100 more than it was about nurturing 2016 01:51:50,166 --> 01:51:51,766 other human beings. 2017 01:51:52,033 --> 01:51:54,000 Wait a minute. Let me see-- 2018 01:51:54,066 --> 01:51:56,066 Nan: That looks good! 2019 01:51:56,133 --> 01:51:59,000 Mrs. Goldin: One, two, three... 2020 01:52:00,433 --> 01:52:01,400 Nan: Yeah, but hold it up more. 2021 01:52:01,466 --> 01:52:03,066 Mr. Goldin: Is that high enough? 2022 01:52:03,133 --> 01:52:04,300 Nan. Wait, let me focus this. 2023 01:52:04,366 --> 01:52:06,066 -Yeah, that's beautiful. -Mr. Goldin: You can see it? 2024 01:52:06,133 --> 01:52:07,766 Mrs. Goldin: Barbara loved Nan very much. 2025 01:52:08,033 --> 01:52:09,633 They were very, very close. 2026 01:52:13,466 --> 01:52:16,300 When she died, she had in her pocketbook 2027 01:52:16,366 --> 01:52:19,100 a very beautiful, small book of "Psalms." 2028 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,466 And she had this wonderful quotation from... 2029 01:52:23,533 --> 01:52:24,600 Con-- Conrad. 2030 01:52:24,666 --> 01:52:26,266 ..."The Heart of Darkness." 2031 01:52:27,066 --> 01:52:28,033 Joseph Conrad. 2032 01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:30,400 She was also, like Nan, 2033 01:52:30,466 --> 01:52:32,166 a very wide reader. 2034 01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,500 And I have the quotation upstairs, 2035 01:52:36,566 --> 01:52:39,500 but it had in it something about... 2036 01:52:43,133 --> 01:52:44,233 uh... 2037 01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:48,666 -Can you stop? -Nan: Yeah. 2038 01:52:48,733 --> 01:52:51,266 -You should get the quotation. -Stop. 2039 01:52:51,333 --> 01:52:53,233 Mrs. Goldin: Something about regrets. 2040 01:52:53,300 --> 01:52:55,533 Yeah. Infinite regrets. 2041 01:53:02,633 --> 01:53:04,400 Is it on now? 2042 01:53:04,466 --> 01:53:07,033 Quotation from "Heart of Darkness"... 2043 01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:09,000 Nan: And it was just written on a piece of paper? 2044 01:53:09,066 --> 01:53:10,400 Was-- yeah. 2045 01:53:10,466 --> 01:53:15,066 "It's a droll thing life is, that mysterious arrangement 2046 01:53:15,133 --> 01:53:19,366 "of merciless logic for a futile purpose. 2047 01:53:19,433 --> 01:53:23,766 "The most you can hope for is some knowledge of yourself... 2048 01:53:34,633 --> 01:53:36,200 "that comes too late... 2049 01:53:38,066 --> 01:53:41,100 A crop of unextinguishable regrets." 2050 01:54:03,733 --> 01:54:06,333 Nan: I think this story is an important story, 2051 01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:07,633 not just for me... 2052 01:54:08,633 --> 01:54:11,200 but for society. 2053 01:54:14,533 --> 01:54:18,033 About conformity and denial. 2054 01:54:20,033 --> 01:54:21,700 And also about stigma. 2055 01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,166 The wrong things are kept secret, 2056 01:54:26,233 --> 01:54:28,366 and that destroys people. 2057 01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,333 My sister was a victim of all that, 2058 01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,266 but she knew how to fight back. 2059 01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:44,300 Her rebellion was the starting point for my own. 2060 01:54:47,033 --> 01:54:48,600 She showed me the way. 2061 01:54:53,566 --> 01:54:55,633 -Let's turn off for a minute. -Laura: Yeah. 2062 01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:58,000 (recorder clicks) 2063 01:55:02,266 --> 01:55:06,666 (light music playing) 2064 01:55:09,666 --> 01:55:14,233 ♪ ♪ 2065 01:55:25,666 --> 01:55:26,766 Harry: Oh wow. 2066 01:55:30,266 --> 01:55:31,333 (chuckles) 2067 01:55:35,033 --> 01:55:38,133 ♪ ♪ 2068 01:55:43,733 --> 01:55:45,066 Nan: Wow. 2069 01:55:53,566 --> 01:55:54,766 Nan: We did it, baby. 2070 01:55:55,033 --> 01:55:56,600 Friend: Unbelievable. 2071 01:56:00,433 --> 01:56:01,700 Nan: Four years of work. 2072 01:56:01,766 --> 01:56:03,666 I mean, Congress didn't do anything. 2073 01:56:03,733 --> 01:56:06,533 Justice Department hasn't done anything. 2074 01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:08,166 Bankruptcy court, f-- you know, 2075 01:56:08,233 --> 01:56:12,766 completely... left them better than ever. 2076 01:56:13,033 --> 01:56:15,700 You know, completely-- they're completely vindicated 2077 01:56:15,766 --> 01:56:17,466 by bankruptcy court. 2078 01:56:17,533 --> 01:56:19,700 And so this is the only place they're being held accountable, 2079 01:56:19,766 --> 01:56:21,600 the only place! 2080 01:56:21,666 --> 01:56:23,066 And we did it. 2081 01:56:23,133 --> 01:56:25,466 (happy chatter) 2082 01:56:29,166 --> 01:56:30,300 Megan: Wow... 2083 01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:36,000 Patrick: Oh, my goodness. What a feeling, huh? 2084 01:56:36,066 --> 01:56:39,400 -Incredible. -It's amazing. 2085 01:56:39,466 --> 01:56:43,000 Megan: The Sacklers are now "private sources." 2086 01:56:43,066 --> 01:56:45,033 It doesn't-- here, stay there. 2087 01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:48,433 It doesn't say what private sources. 2088 01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:50,000 (both laugh) 2089 01:56:50,533 --> 01:56:52,100 Beautiful! 2090 01:56:52,166 --> 01:56:54,766 -Oh man! -Megan: It's so good! 2091 01:56:55,033 --> 01:56:56,366 It's hard to believe. 2092 01:56:59,233 --> 01:57:02,233 ♪ ♪ 2093 01:57:45,366 --> 01:57:50,100 (solemn choir singing indistinctly) 2094 01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,766 ("Unsuffer Me" by Lucinda Williams Playing) 2095 01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,466 ♪ ♪ 2096 01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:59,000 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 2097 01:58:59,066 --> 01:59:03,100 ♪ And set me free ♪ 2098 01:59:03,166 --> 01:59:07,166 ♪ Come fill me up ♪ 2099 01:59:07,233 --> 01:59:11,033 ♪ With ecstasy ♪ 2100 01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:15,266 ♪ Surround my heartbeat with your fingertips ♪ 2101 01:59:15,333 --> 01:59:19,333 ♪ Unbound my feet untie my wrists ♪ 2102 01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:23,400 ♪ Come into my world of loneliness ♪ 2103 01:59:23,466 --> 01:59:27,500 ♪ And wickedness and bitterness ♪ 2104 01:59:27,566 --> 01:59:30,600 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 149331

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