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There's a lot of anger,
towards the living.
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I was thrown to this doorway.
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It was kind of brutal.
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Aw, geez.
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They're banging on the walls...
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Wanting to leave.
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He went totally
ballistic and killed her.
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She's being assaulted.
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I'm not alone inside of my body.
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It's really bad in here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Something is not right.
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I see dead people.
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This person might have
been a serial killer.
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I speak to dead people.
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You get those chills.
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And they speak to me.
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He is darkness. He is evil.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she broke her neck.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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You telling me the truth?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think the Devil is down here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who the hell would do this?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Who is he looking to kill?
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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You need to get out of here right now.
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Or time to get out.
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It was like endless darkness.
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Steve: Amy and I conduct our
investigations separately.
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I dig into the history of the location,
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and interview witnesses about
their paranormal experiences.
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While Amy deals directly with the dead.
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I'm in the small town
of Radford, Virginia.
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It's about an hour outside of Roanoke.
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Amy and I were called in by
this woman named Marcelle.
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She saved a huge historical
building from the wrecking ball.
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But she says ever since, her life's
been nothing but a living hell.
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She says Amy and I are her last chance.
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Matthew: Before Amy arrives, I
look for any leading information.
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Even though this
building seems abandoned,
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I still have to cover or remove anything
that could influence her findings.
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When I'm done, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.
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[Inhales deeply]
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There are a lot of people here...
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Layers of people.
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There's about four women.
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They don't want to be here
anymore, they want to leave, and...
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They can't.
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So, they're all up there, these people.
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It's very physical.
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I can't breathe.
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Marcelle, you sounded really upset on
the phone about what's happening here...
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What's going on?
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We've had people who have seen
apparitions in the building.
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We have volunteers who have
been picked up and tossed...
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Hair pulled.
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Visitors come in that have
left with scratch marks on them.
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And seems that the activity
has become more and more.
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So, with a list like that of
things that are happening here,
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why would you stay here?
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For the love of the building.
There's just something about it.
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Well, Marcelle, I've got to say, this
is probably one of the biggest buildings
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we've ever investigated, how big is it?
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It's over 68,000 square feet.
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Wow. Okay.
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What's the story as far as
history goes? What do you know?
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In the early 1900s,
it became a Sanatorium,
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and it stayed a
Sanatorium until the 1980s.
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We'll, you know, looking around,
this is definitely a work in progress.
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What are your plans for it?
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We would love to restore the
building and turn it into a museum...
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With history about the Sanatorium.
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And we'd also like to
put a research library in.
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Do you do anything with it now? Is it just,
basically, you're in the repair stage?
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In order to pay for the repairs,
we've had some conferences here.
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We've had a wedding here recently.
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We're doing some parties.
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Okay. What are you hoping we can
do for you with this investigation?
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I'm hoping you can help
us to find a solution.
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It's not only a passion in my
heart, we're run by volunteers,
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and we don't want the people
coming in to be harmed or injured.
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Okay.
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[Door creaks]
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Living people are not
supposed to be here.
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Dead people push themselves up against
the walls to get out of their way.
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They don't want to be bothered.
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They don't like the living.
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[Door creaks]
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They're just pissed off and exhausted.
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And they feel so, like, tired.
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What made you bring me down here?
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This is one of the rooms where I
had one of my first experiences.
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One of our volunteers had...
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It was like... something
jumped into her.
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Okay, so, take me through what happened.
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She became, like, in a trance.
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When she was talking, her words
were all jumbled and garbled,
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and just was not making sense at all.
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Okay, so, how did you get her out of it?
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We pulled out Bible scriptures
and read Bible to her.
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Okay, now, did she come
out of it eventually?
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Yes. It took a little
over an hour, but she did.
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- Do you know this girl personally?
- I do.
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Okay, is she on any medication
that would make her demeanor change?
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- Nothing like that?
- No, not at all.
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Anything else down here?
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A woman screamed at me.
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Kind of like I'd startled her.
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You sure it wasn't somebody
playing games in here?
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There's no way.
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And you weren't open for any
kind of business or anything?
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No, we were not.
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There's, like, a woman
running up to me, screaming.
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She's freaking out.
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She just says that...
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It's time to go.
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And she's panicked.
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A living person would feel this...
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This, like, panic.
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You feel like...
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Something really bad is going to happen.
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You feel like you need to leave.
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Steve: I didn't expect to
see a bowling alley in here.
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Was this used by the patients or was
this for the people that worked here?
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Primarily, it was used as reward
for good behavior from the patients.
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They were allowed to
come down here and bowl.
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All right. So, why'd
you bring me down here?
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Well, I had my first
paranormal experience in here.
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Okay, what happened?
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I had this large, white mist
come through the door behind you,
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and go down the bowling alley...
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And then make a hard right
turn and go through the wall.
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What was odd... is the
temperature dropped.
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Okay, anything else?
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My most horrifying experience
happened just next to the file room.
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I got very dizzy, short of breath,
went to the emergency medical area.
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Come to find out, it was my pacemaker.
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It went haywire and was
beating at 143 beats a minute.
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Wow.
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And my blood pressure was 164 over 112.
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Now, Don, did the doctors ever come up
with an explanation as to what happened?
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No, they couldn't
even tell me one thing.
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There was nothing to
show what happened at all.
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Matthew: Do you think
people could live here?
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No.
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I wouldn't live here.
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- I don't think it's healthy.
- What would happen?
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I think that they would get sick.
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Just let the dead have it.
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I just don't think living
people should be here.
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It's probably not a good idea.
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[Whispers]
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So, Chuck, I was talking to Marcelle.
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- You're the head of Security here?
- Yes, Sir.
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You're probably law
enforcement, I assume?
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- I'm a retired deputy Sheriff.
- Okay.
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Have you ever had any
experiences yourself?
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Oh, yes, Sir, I had one right here.
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Standing on this lower step one
night, I felt myself levitate.
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It was like I just became
weightless and started coming up...
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And thrown...
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Over to this doorway.
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I could just feel like
something gripped me, okay?
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Okay.
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And had a hold of me to the point
that I had no control over my body.
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I've got to tell you, Chuck, if
you weren't prior law enforcement,
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that's not a story I would
probably believe right away.
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Well, I can totally understand that.
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Amy: They don't really
want us to be back here.
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Because this is their...
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Quiet area.
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I see...
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This man, and he's getting...
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A little frustrated.
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He's like their protector
for the dead here.
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And I think he's trying to set up, like,
a safe zone, or something, for them.
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He says he's going to make me sick.
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If I don't leave.
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Now, did anything else like
that ever happen to you?
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Yes, Sir.
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I left our gift shop area.
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There's some steps that will
bring you up to this first level.
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As I got about the sixth stair...
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I could see something standing there.
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I could see, like, the chest of it.
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Okay.
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You can see the muscles
just rippling through there.
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As soon as I saw that,
I was picked up...
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And not thrown straight back.
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But I was thrown over, like, the rails.
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Whatever it was had to be strong.
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Okay, did you get hurt?
I mean, that's a big fall.
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It just really shook me up.
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Felt like a bear got a hold of me.
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- Okay.
- Just that much strength.
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How do you wrap your head
around what's going on here?
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I couldn't even fathom
what this thing is.
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Okay.
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I don't even know what
that guy's capable of.
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But I think he's pretty
capable of quite a bit.
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Did you see him at all?
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He does project himself.
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He is white, tall.
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And feels very young. But
he's not, he's very old.
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And he's not happy.
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He doesn't not want
me to talk about him.
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So, Chuck, why'd you bring me down here?
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When I come in this room, I have
seen one face on several occasions.
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Describe it to me.
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- His face is very round.
- Okay.
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I'd say that he would
have been a big man.
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Okay, does it looks like he
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knows you're looking at him or
like he's looking at anybody else?
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Oh, he definitely knows
you're looking at him.
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Anything else happen?
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One lady during an investigation.
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She was hit between the breastbone.
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She was hit so hard
that it left a bruise,
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and they told us the bruise
was there for almost two weeks.
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Okay, so, when you say an investigation,
we talking about, like, a paranormal group?
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Paranormal group, Sir.
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Any other thing, physical, happen here?
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Women have been touched inappropriately.
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They find, usually, the woman
who has the weakest emotions.
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Okay.
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And they just start
there and just drain them.
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And for that reason, we don't allow
any women in this room by themselves.
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Whatever's in here has just...
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Got something out for the women.
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So, now I'm seeing there's this new
guy, who tells me to call him Uncle.
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He...
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Likes it down here.
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He's a big guy.
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He's pervy.
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He likes to touch women's hair.
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I suspect, like, it doesn't just stop
with the hair, you know what I mean?
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And there are people...
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Maybe four...
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That are banging inside.
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And they want out.
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This dude... the Uncle dude
trapped all their asses in there.
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It has something to do with money, like,
251
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if he keeps them in there,
he'll get more money.
252
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He's flooded this place with...
253
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Just nastiness.
254
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[Whispers]
255
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Marcelle told me that St.
Albans used to be a Sanatorium.
256
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Now, that seemed like a pretty good
place to start my investigation.
257
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So I reached out to a local
psychiatrist who tells me
258
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that a lot of sick people
lived and died on the property.
259
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Steve: So, the current
owner of the property I'm
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investigating told me that
it had been a Sanatorium.
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- Is that correct?
- That is correct.
262
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It actually started out in the early
1900s as St. Albans school for boys.
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Okay.
264
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That closed in 1911, and Dr. John
C. King, with his own funds...
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Bought the facility and opened
it up, then, as a Sanatorium,
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or a freestanding private
psychiatric hospital.
267
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What kind of patients
would have been there?
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Anyone from people that might
have just exhaustion from overwork,
269
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all the way through some of
our severe psychiatric illness
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such as Schizophrenia, manic psychosis.
271
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So many different...
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People.
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- What do you mean?
- I'm seeing, like, people dressed...
274
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In suits and [Bleep].
275
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Like, professional people.
276
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Some guy is saying something,
like, about emotional trauma.
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He's like, I suffered emotional trauma.
278
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He's very dramatic.
279
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Walking from room to room, I keep seeing
all of these different dead people.
280
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Some are depressed, some are angry,
and they're all trying to speak to me.
281
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There's so much commotion and movement.
282
00:16:34,739 --> 00:16:38,519
They're banging on the walls...
283
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Wanting to leave, wanting
to leave, wanting to leave.
284
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There's some, like, little
old lady, and she's like...
285
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Oh, you know, it's a processing plant.
286
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They process you.
287
00:16:58,021 --> 00:17:01,266
And then the guy says...
288
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Oh, don't talk to them,
they're [Bleep] lunatics.
289
00:17:06,992 --> 00:17:09,679
So, with these types of patients there,
290
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,428
what kind of treatments
would they have had?
291
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It could have been anything
from cold, wet wraps, all the way
292
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to things more evocative and
potentially more powerful as well.
293
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Such as psychosurgery including
lobotomies, Insulin coma therapy,
294
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electroconvulsive therapy.
295
00:17:22,871 --> 00:17:25,291
Now, is that the same
as electroshock therapy?
296
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Yes.
297
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So many were done at St.
Albans during a stretch of time,
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they actually had one machine
that they called Mighty Mouse.
299
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And they would just wheel
it from room to room.
300
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It was kind of brutal to have done
because no general anesthesia was offered.
301
00:17:40,467 --> 00:17:43,544
And so you would be fully awake
when you were administered an
302
00:17:43,545 --> 00:17:48,623
electrical current that would
induce a fairly significant seizure.
303
00:17:48,624 --> 00:17:50,557
I mean, it had to be pretty painful.
304
00:17:50,558 --> 00:17:52,632
I actually have a film
I'd like to show you
305
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to give you an idea of
just how it was done.
306
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[Projector whirring]
307
00:18:00,998 --> 00:18:03,218
Oh, geez.
308
00:18:12,129 --> 00:18:15,009
My feet, my hands.
309
00:18:15,175 --> 00:18:18,143
It's like burning. I
feel like I'm burning.
310
00:18:18,144 --> 00:18:20,344
I'm, like, shaking.
311
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It hurts.
312
00:18:23,379 --> 00:18:24,891
There is a female.
313
00:18:24,892 --> 00:18:27,683
She's scared. Very,
very, very frightened.
314
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She's shaking. She
feels like she's burning.
315
00:18:33,487 --> 00:18:36,590
Now, Doctor, this place
is 68,000 square feet.
316
00:18:36,591 --> 00:18:39,556
So, how many patients
would have been in there?
317
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Thousands over the years.
318
00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:42,938
Now, a place that big,
with that many patients,
319
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I got to assume there had
to be a lot of deaths there.
320
00:18:45,066 --> 00:18:48,520
You know, I think so, too. I
was able to find 10, for sure.
321
00:18:48,521 --> 00:18:51,948
But I think that would be
a gross underrepresentation
322
00:18:51,949 --> 00:18:55,903
of the deaths that likely
would have happened.
323
00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:58,072
Now, did they have a Morgue there?
324
00:18:58,073 --> 00:18:59,340
- Yes.
- Really?
325
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So, Doctor, I got to assume there
had to be a lot more deaths there,
326
00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:03,966
because you don't build
a Morgue for 10 people.
327
00:19:03,967 --> 00:19:09,067
- That's right, you would not. Absolutely.
- Okay.
328
00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:17,372
I see a group of people
sleeping on the floor here.
329
00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:21,753
It's just, like, a big heap of people.
330
00:19:22,924 --> 00:19:24,759
They're kind of covered up.
331
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,700
Like, it's a mess.
332
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[Whispers]
333
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,231
Dr. Scheiderer told me that St.
Albans was an all-boys school.
334
00:19:47,232 --> 00:19:51,682
Now, it didn't sound like much to me until
I called a local historian to check it out.
335
00:19:51,683 --> 00:19:53,999
He told me that the story
of the school's founder
336
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,140
will definitely help my investigation.
337
00:20:04,929 --> 00:20:08,433
The school was actually started
by Professor George Miles.
338
00:20:08,434 --> 00:20:12,509
He was an educator, a
well-connected businessman.
339
00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:16,183
And he was also a wealthy individual...
he had married into a wealthy family.
340
00:20:16,184 --> 00:20:19,037
Okay, so, what purpose
did he open it for?
341
00:20:19,038 --> 00:20:21,473
It was a preparatory school for boys.
342
00:20:21,474 --> 00:20:26,846
Here's actually an advertisement
from 1892 when he opened the school.
343
00:20:26,847 --> 00:20:30,788
The idea was to train these
young men to be good gentlemen,
344
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:34,321
and also to prepare them for
a track to go to university.
345
00:20:34,322 --> 00:20:36,556
Okay, now, what kind of guy was he?
346
00:20:36,557 --> 00:20:38,258
That depends on who you ask.
347
00:20:38,259 --> 00:20:42,308
He had this reputation of being
respectable and dedicated to his work.
348
00:20:42,309 --> 00:20:45,900
But he was also scheming and abrasive.
349
00:20:45,901 --> 00:20:47,000
Really?
350
00:20:47,001 --> 00:20:50,805
Now, what happened to the school, because
I understand it became a Sanatorium?
351
00:20:50,806 --> 00:20:55,638
Yeah, his business interests took
him away from the school in 1902.
352
00:20:55,639 --> 00:20:59,449
- And it kind of floundered without him.
- Okay.
353
00:20:59,450 --> 00:21:01,953
And in 1904, they shut it down.
354
00:21:01,954 --> 00:21:04,685
All right. So, what
winds up happening to him?
355
00:21:04,686 --> 00:21:08,658
Professor Miles actually
met a pretty tragic end.
356
00:21:08,659 --> 00:21:12,139
Early in 1905, he admitted
himself into a hospital,
357
00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:14,996
and they found that he had liver cancer.
358
00:21:14,997 --> 00:21:18,305
And within two months, he passed away.
359
00:21:18,306 --> 00:21:22,446
- He was only 42 years old.
- Okay.
360
00:21:23,904 --> 00:21:27,575
I'm seeing the man who
calls himself Uncle.
361
00:21:27,576 --> 00:21:31,969
And he was in charge...
very, very, wealthy.
362
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:34,986
And he was the start...
363
00:21:34,987 --> 00:21:37,147
Of this.
364
00:21:40,322 --> 00:21:44,642
And at first, there was good intention.
365
00:21:45,578 --> 00:21:48,698
And then it went bad.
366
00:21:49,431 --> 00:21:51,366
Matthew: Can you describe him?
367
00:21:51,367 --> 00:21:54,709
He's probably in his 40s.
368
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:58,054
He's bald and he's pale.
369
00:21:58,055 --> 00:22:00,455
He's dying.
370
00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:03,176
He feels guilty.
371
00:22:08,049 --> 00:22:11,711
Steve: Now that I know my client's property
used to be a prep school and a Sanatorium,
372
00:22:11,712 --> 00:22:14,187
I need to see if anything
else went down there.
373
00:22:14,188 --> 00:22:17,081
So I hit the books at the local library.
374
00:22:17,082 --> 00:22:22,802
Digging through old records, I discovered
the murder of a girl name Gina Hall.
375
00:22:22,803 --> 00:22:28,563
Turns out, her car was last
seen near Marcelle's property.
376
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:31,992
So, I'm headed over to meet
with a local police Lieutenant.
377
00:22:31,993 --> 00:22:34,088
Who says that the
connection between that case
378
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:38,709
and St. Albans runs
much deeper than that.
379
00:22:44,391 --> 00:22:47,914
Steve: Lieutenant, I came across an article
talking about a homicide that happened
380
00:22:47,915 --> 00:22:50,698
that has a connection to the
property I'm investigating.
381
00:22:50,699 --> 00:22:52,156
What can you tell me about it?
382
00:22:52,157 --> 00:22:57,557
On June 28, 1980, Gina
Renee Hall, age 18 years old.
383
00:22:57,625 --> 00:23:00,388
Wanted to go dancing
at a club in Blacksburg,
384
00:23:00,389 --> 00:23:04,044
and met a guy named
Stephen Epperly, age 28.
385
00:23:04,045 --> 00:23:06,396
And he ended up talking
her into going back to a
386
00:23:06,397 --> 00:23:09,750
lake house that his
friend was taking care of.
387
00:23:09,751 --> 00:23:13,170
Okay. What did the original
investigators theorize happened?
388
00:23:13,171 --> 00:23:19,071
That Epperly made some advances toward
her, and she rejected those advances.
389
00:23:29,721 --> 00:23:33,925
There was something
with a female in here.
390
00:23:33,926 --> 00:23:37,729
And there's, like, an older man.
391
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:41,630
She's kind of being messed with.
392
00:23:42,034 --> 00:23:46,537
I mean, I think he was trying to
kiss her or something, and then...
393
00:23:46,538 --> 00:23:48,998
It went bad.
394
00:23:51,009 --> 00:23:55,447
We believe that he just went
totally ballistic and killed her.
395
00:23:55,448 --> 00:23:59,077
And put her body in the
trunk of her own car.
396
00:23:59,078 --> 00:24:01,615
Drove her somewhere,
disposed of the body,
397
00:24:01,616 --> 00:24:06,043
and parked the car just down from where
you're investigating with the trunk open.
398
00:24:06,044 --> 00:24:07,324
Wow.
399
00:24:07,325 --> 00:24:10,520
What do we know about this guy
himself? I mean, what's his background?
400
00:24:10,521 --> 00:24:16,421
Epperly was a charmer to the ladies
thought very highly of himself.
401
00:24:17,668 --> 00:24:20,248
He was known to have
a very violent temper.
402
00:24:20,249 --> 00:24:23,622
And was actually charged
previously, before this happened,
403
00:24:23,623 --> 00:24:25,779
with a couple rapes in the community.
404
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:27,123
You're kidding.
405
00:24:27,124 --> 00:24:30,480
So, he had all the characteristics of
a guy that would do something like this.
406
00:24:30,481 --> 00:24:32,341
Yes.
407
00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:39,725
First it was, like, teasing,
then it wasn't teasing.
408
00:24:43,094 --> 00:24:46,196
He got... he got mad real quick.
409
00:24:46,197 --> 00:24:49,617
And he, like, punches her.
410
00:24:51,632 --> 00:24:54,212
She's being...
411
00:24:54,371 --> 00:24:57,191
Kind of assaulted.
412
00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:03,947
He get's life in prison,
first-degree murder.
413
00:25:03,948 --> 00:25:06,326
Now, what about the body?
Was it ever recovered?
414
00:25:06,327 --> 00:25:08,967
- No.
- [Sighs]
415
00:25:09,306 --> 00:25:13,431
First case in Virginia that someone was
convicted without ever finding the body.
416
00:25:13,432 --> 00:25:16,219
Wow. Where do you
think the body might be?
417
00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:18,634
Some believe that it may be at the lake.
418
00:25:18,635 --> 00:25:24,334
And some people believe that she's buried
on the property you're investigating.
419
00:25:24,335 --> 00:25:27,884
The rumor was that he worked at
St. Albans for a little while.
420
00:25:27,885 --> 00:25:29,925
Really?
421
00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:33,944
There's, uh...
422
00:25:33,945 --> 00:25:36,075
Something really, really wrong.
423
00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:37,996
Um...
424
00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:46,327
I'm not alone inside of my body.
425
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:51,320
As I'm seeing this brutal
attack, I feel a woman jump me.
426
00:25:51,321 --> 00:25:53,201
She's entered my body.
427
00:25:53,202 --> 00:25:54,943
Whoa.
428
00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:58,259
Mm. That does not feel good. [Bleep]!
429
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:02,830
And she's not the only one here
who can do this to living people.
430
00:26:02,831 --> 00:26:06,034
Hm-mnh, no. Hm-mnh. Hm-mnh, no.
431
00:26:06,035 --> 00:26:10,839
For one of the few times in
my life, I can't finish a walk.
432
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:16,631
This woman refuses to leave my
body, and I fear for my own safety.
433
00:26:16,632 --> 00:26:17,779
Matthew: Are you okay?
434
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:21,380
No. She won't [Bleep] leave.
435
00:26:21,883 --> 00:26:24,523
[Woman laughing]
436
00:26:31,265 --> 00:26:33,485
[Whispers]
437
00:26:48,212 --> 00:26:50,958
Steve: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations.
438
00:26:50,959 --> 00:26:55,383
We're ready to reveal our findings to each
other, and our clients, for the first time.
439
00:26:55,384 --> 00:26:57,452
Amy, I'd like you to meet Marcelle.
440
00:26:57,453 --> 00:27:00,888
Few years back, she saved this
building from a wrecking ball.
441
00:27:00,889 --> 00:27:03,424
Her dream is actually to
turn this place into a museum.
442
00:27:03,425 --> 00:27:04,726
Hmm.
443
00:27:04,727 --> 00:27:07,106
The problem is the
activity here is so bad,
444
00:27:07,107 --> 00:27:10,398
she's afraid for any guests or
any volunteers that work here.
445
00:27:10,399 --> 00:27:13,067
Now, speaking of
volunteers, this is Chuck.
446
00:27:13,068 --> 00:27:17,305
He's retired Police Officer.
He runs the Security here.
447
00:27:17,306 --> 00:27:21,242
He's been through some stuff
I've never even heard before.
448
00:27:21,243 --> 00:27:23,449
Marcelle wants to know if
there's any way that she can
449
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:26,894
safely turn this place into a museum.
450
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:29,576
So, now that Amy
understands why we're here,
451
00:27:29,577 --> 00:27:33,253
I'm going to ask her to
tell us about her walk.
452
00:27:33,254 --> 00:27:35,112
I...
453
00:27:35,113 --> 00:27:38,378
Got here, and it was very confusing.
454
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:44,259
And I got just layers and
layers and layers of dead people.
455
00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:49,271
I got that a lot of the
dead are extremely angry.
456
00:27:49,272 --> 00:27:55,172
Pissed off, and exhausted, and that a
lot of them do not care for the living.
457
00:27:55,643 --> 00:27:58,779
There was one location
that I went to upstairs.
458
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:03,350
The dead said that it was their quiet
area and they didn't want me there.
459
00:28:03,351 --> 00:28:06,122
The person that I encountered...
460
00:28:06,123 --> 00:28:09,712
He basically was this
group of people's leader.
461
00:28:09,713 --> 00:28:14,393
And he is trying to
enforce a safety zone.
462
00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:17,084
For some of the dead here.
463
00:28:17,085 --> 00:28:19,521
He was kind of white-ish and tall,
464
00:28:19,522 --> 00:28:24,704
and he was projecting himself as
being younger than he actually is.
465
00:28:24,705 --> 00:28:28,340
And he told me, you better
leave or I'm going to hurt you.
466
00:28:28,341 --> 00:28:33,446
He definitely has the capability
of doing whatever he wants.
467
00:28:33,447 --> 00:28:38,585
Could that person, that's that advanced,
take a man that size and throw him?
468
00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:40,806
Um, yeah.
469
00:28:40,872 --> 00:28:45,148
I was asked to meet someone
at the grand staircase.
470
00:28:45,149 --> 00:28:49,169
As I was on about the sixth step.
471
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:52,550
Something grabbed me...
472
00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:56,559
And threw me over...
473
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,805
- The rail.
- Whoa.
474
00:28:58,806 --> 00:29:01,327
Describe what you saw.
475
00:29:01,328 --> 00:29:03,683
The chest... huge.
476
00:29:03,684 --> 00:29:07,725
- Like something's on steroids, okay?
- Mm hmm, okay.
477
00:29:07,726 --> 00:29:11,083
I can see the muscles,
like he's very ripped.
478
00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:13,613
- Mm hmm.
- Does that make sense to you?
479
00:29:13,614 --> 00:29:16,254
Yes, absolutely.
480
00:29:19,419 --> 00:29:21,494
What else did you see on your walk?
481
00:29:21,495 --> 00:29:23,329
I met a lot of strange people.
482
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:25,525
It was kind of interesting,
because at one point
483
00:29:25,526 --> 00:29:27,882
I was seeing a lot of
professional people.
484
00:29:27,883 --> 00:29:30,145
And it was a weird contrast.
485
00:29:30,146 --> 00:29:33,821
Then I ran into this other guy who was
just, like, so out of it and so lost.
486
00:29:33,822 --> 00:29:37,144
They were just bashing,
banging on all of the walls.
487
00:29:37,145 --> 00:29:41,470
So, then, I saw, like, a
bunch of little old people.
488
00:29:41,471 --> 00:29:43,554
And one of the little
old ladies said to me,
489
00:29:43,555 --> 00:29:46,196
she's like, yeah, this is
just like a processing plant.
490
00:29:46,197 --> 00:29:48,910
And then the guy I was with
turned to me and he goes...
491
00:29:48,911 --> 00:29:52,013
Don't listen to them,
they're all bunch of lunatics.
492
00:29:52,014 --> 00:29:57,112
This is easy enough to explain to you, you
could take your pick on who you ran into.
493
00:29:57,113 --> 00:30:01,624
Because this place operated as a
Sanatorium from the early 1900s till 1980.
494
00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:04,905
And it was started by this
gentleman right here...
495
00:30:04,906 --> 00:30:07,426
John C. King.
496
00:30:07,945 --> 00:30:11,092
They treated people here
from depression to drug abuse,
497
00:30:11,093 --> 00:30:14,181
alcohol abuse, up to
full blown Schizophrenia.
498
00:30:14,182 --> 00:30:16,222
Really?
499
00:30:17,114 --> 00:30:21,127
Does it make sense to you about why you
ran into all those different... yeah.
500
00:30:21,128 --> 00:30:24,291
Now, that's part of your draw,
that this was a Sanatorium,
501
00:30:24,292 --> 00:30:27,334
and you're trying to bring back
the whole grandeur of this building.
502
00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:29,163
- What it was at one time.
- Yes.
503
00:30:29,164 --> 00:30:32,600
Once you come into the
building, you're drawn to it.
504
00:30:32,601 --> 00:30:38,501
You just, you want to restore it. You want
to bring it back to its original glory.
505
00:30:39,127 --> 00:30:40,917
So, what else did you see?
506
00:30:40,918 --> 00:30:44,279
I, physically, had a
very difficult time.
507
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,082
I felt like my head was being
crushed in, I couldn't breathe.
508
00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:51,023
A lot of the people I
encountered were also having pain.
509
00:30:51,024 --> 00:30:56,324
There was one young girl that I saw
who was having seizures and vomiting.
510
00:30:56,325 --> 00:31:00,928
Then there was a woman that I met
downstairs who felt like she was burning.
511
00:31:00,929 --> 00:31:04,829
She was also shaking,
and I do think that living
512
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:07,518
people who spend a lot
of time here would...
513
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:12,019
Be prone to having
symptoms of illnesses.
514
00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:14,611
Marcelle, this is probably
a good time for you to
515
00:31:14,612 --> 00:31:17,470
tell Amy about the incident
with your husband Don.
516
00:31:17,471 --> 00:31:19,280
Don has a pacemaker.
517
00:31:19,281 --> 00:31:22,157
It's set to go at 60 beats.
518
00:31:22,158 --> 00:31:26,515
And it was racing into
the 130s beats per minutes.
519
00:31:26,516 --> 00:31:28,541
The doctors couldn't explain it.
520
00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:31,993
He has problems with his
pacemaker every time he comes in.
521
00:31:31,994 --> 00:31:35,237
Now, you've got to know
something about the Sanatorium.
522
00:31:35,238 --> 00:31:39,901
Back in the day, it had some pretty
primitive ideas of treatment here.
523
00:31:39,902 --> 00:31:42,202
You mentioned somebody who
was shaking, and felt burning,
524
00:31:42,203 --> 00:31:44,839
and all this other stuff,
and this was a woman, right?
525
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,095
They had an instrument
here called Mighty Mouse,
526
00:31:47,096 --> 00:31:49,901
that they'd wheel from room to room
and they did electroshock therapy.
527
00:31:49,902 --> 00:31:50,912
Okay.
528
00:31:50,913 --> 00:31:53,247
Now, do you think that's what
that woman was going through?
529
00:31:53,248 --> 00:31:55,001
Yeah, that I think so.
530
00:31:55,002 --> 00:31:59,320
Amy: I'm trained in psychology, so I'm
very familiar with electroshock therapy.
531
00:31:59,321 --> 00:32:01,435
And now that I know what
this building used to be,
532
00:32:01,436 --> 00:32:05,714
I realize that's what it must feel like.
533
00:32:05,715 --> 00:32:10,596
There's a lot of dead
people here who feel trapped.
534
00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:12,787
And they were banging on
the windows because they
535
00:32:12,788 --> 00:32:14,733
want to get out, they want help.
536
00:32:14,734 --> 00:32:17,020
I had them sketch that.
537
00:32:17,021 --> 00:32:19,556
They were very pale.
538
00:32:19,557 --> 00:32:22,437
And extremely thin.
539
00:32:22,448 --> 00:32:24,908
Skeleton-ish.
540
00:32:31,667 --> 00:32:34,370
- Is this what you saw?
- Mm hmm.
541
00:32:34,371 --> 00:32:38,040
And you wanted to come back in here?
542
00:32:38,041 --> 00:32:41,938
You've got more guts than I do.
I wouldn't want to come back in.
543
00:32:41,939 --> 00:32:44,399
Oh, my gosh.
544
00:32:47,211 --> 00:32:50,653
- Sad.
- Chuck: That's amazing. Very sad.
545
00:32:50,654 --> 00:32:53,751
Do you think it could have possibly
been patients that were here?
546
00:32:53,752 --> 00:32:56,659
Now, I'm thinking yeah, probably.
547
00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:58,880
Very sad.
548
00:32:59,797 --> 00:33:02,932
Now, is there any reason
why they're trapped?
549
00:33:02,933 --> 00:33:04,088
Yeah.
550
00:33:04,089 --> 00:33:06,657
So, when I first got here,
551
00:33:06,658 --> 00:33:09,275
there was a male...
552
00:33:09,276 --> 00:33:12,510
Who was having me call him Uncle.
553
00:33:12,511 --> 00:33:16,170
I know he was in charge, he
was very powerful, very wealthy.
554
00:33:16,171 --> 00:33:19,650
When he started this, he
started it with good intentions.
555
00:33:19,651 --> 00:33:22,716
And he was very odd-looking himself.
556
00:33:22,717 --> 00:33:25,189
He was completely bald.
557
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:30,254
The other thing with this Uncle
was that he was kind of a pervert.
558
00:33:30,255 --> 00:33:34,031
And he really likes to do
things inappropriate to women.
559
00:33:34,032 --> 00:33:35,899
Let me ask you a question,
does he touch women?
560
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,901
- Oh, yes.
- Okay.
561
00:33:37,902 --> 00:33:41,572
Well, explain the boiler room to her.
562
00:33:41,573 --> 00:33:45,473
Women who enter, they're drained.
563
00:33:45,544 --> 00:33:50,682
Down to the point that
they're just ready to pass out.
564
00:33:50,683 --> 00:33:54,625
And there's inappropriate touching...
565
00:33:54,626 --> 00:33:57,124
In there as well.
566
00:33:57,125 --> 00:34:02,184
And that's the reason we do not
allow women by themselves in there.
567
00:34:02,185 --> 00:34:06,270
You know, a lot of things you
said reminds me of the guy that
568
00:34:06,271 --> 00:34:11,601
actually built this place in 1892,
the original founder of the building.
569
00:34:11,602 --> 00:34:13,431
Now...
570
00:34:13,432 --> 00:34:16,923
This is George Miles now, you mentioned
that he started out with good intentions.
571
00:34:16,924 --> 00:34:19,273
He opened this up as a boys school.
572
00:34:19,274 --> 00:34:22,188
And it was basically a
preparatory school for...
573
00:34:22,189 --> 00:34:26,805
Um, young men to lead them on
to a good path, so to speak.
574
00:34:26,806 --> 00:34:31,297
This guy was well-connected,
knew a lot of influential people.
575
00:34:31,298 --> 00:34:35,329
Many people said he was
scheming, ambitious, abrasive.
576
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:36,826
This is the way they described him.
577
00:34:36,827 --> 00:34:38,827
People thought he was a
little bit money-hungry.
578
00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:40,042
Oh.
579
00:34:40,043 --> 00:34:45,268
Now, three years after he left the school,
he got diagnosed with severe liver cancer.
580
00:34:45,269 --> 00:34:48,103
He was given early forms of chemotherapy
581
00:34:48,104 --> 00:34:50,435
and radiation, and he
lost all of his hair.
582
00:34:50,436 --> 00:34:54,756
And he died within a couple of months.
583
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,749
What else did you see?
584
00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:04,812
In the boiler room, when I walked
in there, I saw a male and a female.
585
00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:08,057
And it seemed like she
was kind of teasing him.
586
00:35:08,058 --> 00:35:12,328
He went in to kiss her. She
wasn't going to let it happen.
587
00:35:12,329 --> 00:35:14,630
And then he started hitting her.
588
00:35:14,631 --> 00:35:16,966
And she was screaming and crying.
589
00:35:16,967 --> 00:35:21,552
And I believe there was
a rape that followed that.
590
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:24,543
Do you think the girl that was
raped was killed, that you saw?
591
00:35:24,544 --> 00:35:27,664
Mm, yeah, I think so.
592
00:35:29,279 --> 00:35:33,359
Back on June 28, 1980, this girl...
593
00:35:34,224 --> 00:35:37,947
It breaks my heart to
even talk about this story.
594
00:35:37,948 --> 00:35:41,271
Her name was Gina Hall.
She was 18 years old.
595
00:35:41,272 --> 00:35:45,212
Look at this kid. She's
everybody's daughter.
596
00:35:45,213 --> 00:35:47,730
She went to one of
the clubs here in town.
597
00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:49,669
She ran into a guy, Stephen Epperly.
598
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:53,470
She went dancing, this guy was
a charmer, good looking guy.
599
00:35:53,471 --> 00:35:56,673
He convinces her to drive
him to a friend's lake house.
600
00:35:56,674 --> 00:36:00,994
That's the last time she's ever seen.
601
00:36:02,145 --> 00:36:05,189
Here's a picture of him.
602
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:07,784
The guy in the middle...
this is at his trial.
603
00:36:07,785 --> 00:36:10,530
They believe what happened is
she went back to the lake house,
604
00:36:10,531 --> 00:36:13,073
he made some sexual advances
that she didn't like...
605
00:36:13,074 --> 00:36:15,593
And he killed her.
606
00:36:15,594 --> 00:36:18,194
Probably raped her.
607
00:36:18,195 --> 00:36:22,999
Her car that she drove him in was
found literally yards from here.
608
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,335
Her body's never been recovered.
609
00:36:25,336 --> 00:36:27,238
There's two theories as to where she is.
610
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,475
She was either thrown in the water, or
she's buried somewhere on this property.
611
00:36:31,476 --> 00:36:33,876
Oh, my God.
612
00:36:35,899 --> 00:36:37,819
Geez.
613
00:36:40,884 --> 00:36:42,919
Pretty impressive walk you already did.
614
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,687
What else did you see?
615
00:36:44,688 --> 00:36:49,825
Towards the end of the walk, when I was in
the basement after all that, I got jumped.
616
00:36:49,826 --> 00:36:54,096
What happened has only happened a
handful of times as a professional.
617
00:36:54,097 --> 00:36:59,997
I couldn't finish the walk because
this woman got inside of me.
618
00:37:01,571 --> 00:37:03,440
And how long did it take
you to get rid of her?
619
00:37:03,441 --> 00:37:06,362
Maybe, like, six to eight hours.
620
00:37:06,363 --> 00:37:08,578
Now, we've done over 50 cases together.
621
00:37:08,579 --> 00:37:11,965
This is the first time I'm hearing
her not being able to finish a walk.
622
00:37:11,966 --> 00:37:13,597
Yeah.
623
00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:17,087
So, she continued to stay with me.
624
00:37:17,088 --> 00:37:20,557
We left, I was in the
car crying hysterically.
625
00:37:20,558 --> 00:37:26,426
What she told me was that there's a
lot of dead people here who can do this.
626
00:37:26,427 --> 00:37:31,804
Uh, that they can do it to
people who are open or closed...
627
00:37:31,805 --> 00:37:35,806
Who have abilities, don't,
or they can follow them.
628
00:37:35,807 --> 00:37:41,105
And they can influence a person to make
anything from just simple bad decisions to,
629
00:37:41,106 --> 00:37:45,314
you know, harming themselves
or harming somebody else.
630
00:37:45,315 --> 00:37:47,095
Is it possible...
631
00:37:47,096 --> 00:37:50,576
For someone to be jumped...
632
00:37:50,659 --> 00:37:56,233
And not realize it and change
their whole demeanor, their whole...
633
00:37:56,234 --> 00:37:59,630
Personality, and change
their relationships?
634
00:37:59,631 --> 00:38:01,632
Absolutely.
635
00:38:01,633 --> 00:38:05,353
I think it's changed my life.
636
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:08,604
- You okay?
- Yeah.
637
00:38:08,605 --> 00:38:10,525
Yeah.
638
00:38:12,246 --> 00:38:15,687
It's just a tough subject to talk about.
639
00:38:15,688 --> 00:38:18,368
You're talking about
you or somebody else?
640
00:38:18,369 --> 00:38:20,170
Someone else.
641
00:38:20,171 --> 00:38:23,552
Speaking with Marcelle, I feel
she's holding something back.
642
00:38:23,553 --> 00:38:26,507
And knowing that her husband,
Don, refused to come to the reveal.
643
00:38:26,508 --> 00:38:29,795
I started putting together why.
644
00:38:29,796 --> 00:38:33,120
If they have an ailment, are they
more susceptible to being jumped?
645
00:38:33,121 --> 00:38:34,949
Yes.
646
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:39,750
I have an idea of who
you're talking about.
647
00:38:44,825 --> 00:38:47,945
I need a few minutes.
648
00:38:53,601 --> 00:38:55,701
[Crying]
649
00:39:00,925 --> 00:39:03,145
[Whispers]
650
00:39:09,479 --> 00:39:12,867
Steve: If they have an ailment, are
they more susceptible to being jumped?
651
00:39:12,868 --> 00:39:13,882
Yes.
652
00:39:13,883 --> 00:39:18,683
I have an idea of who
you're talking about.
653
00:39:23,693 --> 00:39:28,073
I need a few minutes, guys. I'm sorry.
654
00:39:33,403 --> 00:39:35,503
[Crying]
655
00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:44,627
Guys, I want to apologize for becoming
so emotional a little while ago.
656
00:39:44,628 --> 00:39:47,230
I don't know how else to explain it.
657
00:39:47,231 --> 00:39:51,395
Since I've become involved in this
building, I've seen people's lives
658
00:39:51,396 --> 00:39:55,605
that have kind of changed,
relationships that have changed.
659
00:39:55,606 --> 00:40:00,013
And it's caused some
problems in my own home.
660
00:40:00,014 --> 00:40:02,909
Nice people became...
661
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:05,670
Angry or unhappy.
662
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:11,110
And, hopefully, you can
give us some answers.
663
00:40:12,187 --> 00:40:16,162
You've been hit with a lot of
disturbing information tonight.
664
00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:18,162
But the biggest question
is can you turn this
665
00:40:18,163 --> 00:40:21,669
historic building into
a museum and be safe?
666
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:27,010
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to Amy.
667
00:40:29,205 --> 00:40:32,422
This cannot become what you want it.
668
00:40:32,423 --> 00:40:35,903
With what's going on here.
669
00:40:37,046 --> 00:40:40,209
It's far too dangerous.
670
00:40:40,210 --> 00:40:43,219
As far as what to do here...
671
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:48,191
Go into the largest room you
have here and do a mass funeral.
672
00:40:48,192 --> 00:40:52,812
Get several different
types of holy people.
673
00:40:52,844 --> 00:40:55,825
That way you're hitting as
many religions as possible,
674
00:40:55,826 --> 00:40:59,511
so that the people who are dead here
675
00:40:59,512 --> 00:41:02,838
who feel an affinity for
that religion, they'll go.
676
00:41:02,839 --> 00:41:07,777
This has to happen three
times over a one month period.
677
00:41:07,778 --> 00:41:13,678
One month later, you're going to have
to have an exorcism of the location...
678
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:16,362
The entire location.
679
00:41:16,363 --> 00:41:20,766
Because unfortunately, you do
have, now, these nasty people.
680
00:41:20,767 --> 00:41:23,537
They're going to jump
people, they've gone bad.
681
00:41:23,538 --> 00:41:26,261
- Will that get everybody out of here?
- Yeah.
682
00:41:26,262 --> 00:41:29,022
I'm just amazed.
683
00:41:29,759 --> 00:41:32,267
We knew there were things going on here.
684
00:41:32,268 --> 00:41:34,872
- Yeah.
- You've answered a lot of our questions.
685
00:41:34,873 --> 00:41:36,757
Steve: The next question
is the obvious one...
686
00:41:36,758 --> 00:41:39,667
Are you going to
listen to what Amy says?
687
00:41:39,668 --> 00:41:42,210
Well, we asked her to come
in to give us the solution,
688
00:41:42,211 --> 00:41:45,549
so I think we need to
follow through on it.
689
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:48,385
If they don't do it, is
it going to get worse here?
690
00:41:48,386 --> 00:41:50,888
Well, I wouldn't come back.
691
00:41:50,889 --> 00:41:54,400
She ain't coming back, you've got
problems. I've got news for you.
692
00:41:54,401 --> 00:41:56,767
Amy: With all of the dead
inside this location...
693
00:41:56,768 --> 00:41:59,464
Marcelle and Chuck have
their work cut out for them.
694
00:41:59,465 --> 00:42:02,409
But I'm confident that if
they follow my advice...
695
00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:08,310
They'll be able to keep their
guests and employees safe from harm.
696
00:42:09,158 --> 00:42:10,838
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