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[Thunder crashes]
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I don't know what this
dude's fully capable of.
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I have nightmares about this house.
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Aah! He's pissed off.
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All of their bodies were
burned beyond recognition.
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- Wow.
- Hates this person. Hates them.
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- I had an exorcism.
- An exorcism?
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I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna kill you.
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I got to get away from this guy.
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It's really bad in here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Something is not right.
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I see dead people.
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This person might have
been a serial killer.
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I speak to dead people.
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You get those chills.
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And they speak to me.
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He is darkness. He is evil.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she broke her neck.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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You telling me the truth?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think the Devil is down here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who the hell would do this?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Who's he looking to kill?
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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You need to get out of here right now.
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Or time to get out.
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It was like endless darkness.
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Steve: Amy and I look
into each case separately.
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I interview living witnesses and
dig into the property's history,
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looking for dark secrets
buried in the past.
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While Amy communicates with the dead.
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I'm in Chicago, Illinois, on my
way to the house of a veteran cop.
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Thing is, he didn't call us in.
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His daughter, Cristina, did.
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She says the activity in the house is
so bad, she's afraid for his safety.
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But she also says that he's such a tough
guy, he is not gonna leave his home.
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I'm hoping Amy and I can help him out.
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Matthew: Before Amy arrives, I
look for any leading information.
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This home has a lot of
photographs, religious icons,
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and family heirlooms that
have to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.
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Amy: I'm seeing this older woman.
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She said that somebody opened a door.
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And also is bringing dead
people home with them.
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And she wants it to stop.
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She says...
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"I'm not gonna waste any more time because
you're not gonna do anything to help me"...
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Just like the others.
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Uh...
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Ow!
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- What's wrong?
- [Groans]
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Oh, Cristina, I'm glad I'm here.
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You sounded a little worried on the
phone about all the stuff happening
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in the house here, and you're
concerned for your father, I understand.
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- Yes.
- But what about you?
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I've heard voices, footsteps...
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And I have nightmares about this house.
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I haven't lived here since I
was 18, and they still continue.
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Okay, like what?
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There was a boy, and he was trying
to force me to look at his head.
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And half his face was gone.
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Okay, so, you've been having
these dreams for a while.
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For years.
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Okay, so my question here is
why are you calling us in now?
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My daughter is only 3.
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And when she's staying
here, she's having...
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These kind of bad dreams.
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Cristina, the first person you mentioned
when we spoke on the phone was your father.
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And you sounded concerned
for him. What's the story?
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It's just my Dad and my stepmom,
Lori, here by themselves.
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I'm concerned about their safety.
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What are you looking
for us to do for you?
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I'm hoping that my nightmares will stop.
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That I'll be able to
bring my daughter here,
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and that my Dad and Lori will
be okay here by themselves.
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Ow.
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So, I look, and there's a guy who...
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Came from below...
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The house.
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He was punching me nonstop,
and he's got blood on him,
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like, dried-up blood, and
he told me I should leave.
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He's worried or something.
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Well, right down
there. Right down there.
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Mm.
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This male...
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This male...
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Hides...
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Down in here.
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He gets up in their space.
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There's someone standing, staring
at you. You know what I mean?
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This is the same room you
grew up in having nightmares.
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Yes, it is.
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Okay. What have you
experienced in the room?
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This is where I've seen the apparition.
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Of what?
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A woman dressed in white.
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And she was actually right
here in front of my closet door.
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- Okay, did you get a look at her face?
- No.
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Her back was to me.
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She was facing the door, and
then, she disappeared into it.
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Okay. You sure it wasn't a
dream or anything like that?
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I was wide awake.
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Oh, interesting.
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Matthew: What's going on?
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- The older woman...
- Mm hmm.
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From outside likes to...
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Hide in the closet.
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And pop out like a witch.
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Is this something that people see?
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Yes. That's why she does it.
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Steve: So, Mark, obviously, we're here
because your daughter called us in.
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Mm-hmm.
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She's concerned for your
safety, as well as your wife.
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You got to be a little bit
worried yourself, I would think.
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Very worried.
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Now, do you know any
history about the house?
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A little bit. I know that a doctor lived
here, and he was a T.B. doctor in the area.
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- You're a cop.
- Yes.
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- And how long you been a cop?
- About 27 years.
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I'm sure you're like me. If you don't
see it or hear it, you don't believe it.
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Right.
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So, that being said, have
you had experiences here?
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I heard my name be called once.
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It sounded like my wife.
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It sounded just like her,
like something's mimicking her.
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- Was she home?
- No.
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I jumped up. I grabbed my
gun. I ran down the stairs.
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It did sound like
someone was in my home.
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- And nobody was?
- Nobody was there.
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Okay, have you ever experienced
anything else down here?
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I see what appears to be, like, a
black mass coming up the stairway.
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- Scared the heck out of me.
- It did, huh?
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- It's very frustrating.
- Right.
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It's hard to even accept it because
I can't prove it, and I can't...
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I really can't understand it.
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This is his preferred area in here.
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Aah! He's pissed off.
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He's angry. People
definitely see this guy.
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Ow.
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Aah. He hurts people.
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Ow!
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He's making my head hurt.
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Yeah.
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Ow!
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Knock it off.
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Okay, Mark, so, why'd you bring me here?
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I seen a male apparition
and a female apparition.
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Okay, describe the male for me.
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He had a suit on, I
recall, a tie, and glasses.
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- And you mentioned you saw a female, also.
- Yes, I did.
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She appeared to be a little older,
had longer hair, it looked gray to me.
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- Okay.
- And she was in some sort of dress.
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You know, on the phone,
your daughter mentioned
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something about inviting
other paranormal groups in.
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- We did recently.
- And?
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They definitely said that
there is something going on.
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Was that the only investigative team or
proactive thing you've done in the house?
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No. I had an exorcism of the house.
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- An exorcism?
- Yes.
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After the exorcism, did
anything improve at all?
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I don't believe it has.
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What are you hoping we can do for you?
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I know now that my daughter had a
hard time here, she had nightmares.
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- Yeah.
- Now I got grandkids.
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I don't want my grandkids to go
through what my kids went through.
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Oh, no. [Sighs]
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I got, like, weird, Voodoo,
seance stuff happening here.
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Somebody opened a [Bleep] door!
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Where dead people come.
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The old woman, she doesn't
like to come in here anymore.
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Because it's too um...
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Chaotic and hectic for her.
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And she wants her house back, so
she's getting really desperate.
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She said she swears to God
she's gonna poison them.
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[Whispers]
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Steve: So, Lori, I talked
to your husband, Mark.
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- Lori: Mm hmm.
- I talked to Cristina...
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And they explained the experiences they've
had and what's going on in the house.
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- What about yourself?
- I've had a few strange experiences.
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- Okay.
- And...
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One of them being one night I
thought Mark was home from work.
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- He used to work midnights.
- Okay.
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I heard footsteps coming up the stairs.
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I kind of, like, froze.
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And I never heard him come towards the
bedroom, so obviously, it wasn't him.
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- Okay, so, he wasn't home.
- He wasn't home.
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What about one of the other kids.
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It wasn't the other kids.
They were all in bed.
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So, that really freaked me out.
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Amy: I see these two men.
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Um, they have no skin.
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They're rotting and they like that.
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And they're tricksters.
They're tricksters.
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Those two men, they're tricksters.
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They look charred.
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I feel like they got
burned or something.
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And I hear roughhousing.
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You know, they're banging in the walls.
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Anything else going on up here?
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I don't feel comfortable in the dark.
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Why?
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Not too long ago, I went to bed one night,
and all of a sudden, in a sound sleep...
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I felt hands come up and grab my waist.
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And, like, I'm facing Mark,
so it couldn't have been him.
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- What did you do?
- I froze.
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I kind of, like, put the blankets up,
and I was afraid to move or say anything.
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Okay, so, you couldn't
mistake it for something else?
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No.
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Sounds like you were on
pins and needles living here.
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Yeah.
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Now I'm a little more
nervous of going to bed.
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If I wake up in the middle of the night,
I'm afraid to, like, open my eyes or move.
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Bad.
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Lots of physical [Bleep]
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He's like...
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Beating on somebody in the bed.
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He hates them.
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Ah! Hates this person.
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- Hates them.
- Why?
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They're messing with his stuff.
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Messing with his life.
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- And this is a living person?
- Yes.
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He's, like, up in their ear, and
he's like, I'm gonna kill you.
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I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna kill you.
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Just as I'm seeing what this
angry man can do to the living,
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he turns his attention back on me.
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He wants me out of this house, and
he has disturbing ways of showing it.
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He is a [Bleep]!
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[Inhales sharply].
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[Bleep] Damn it.
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I got to get away from this guy.
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He's really hurting me.
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He's really hurting me.
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He's very excited that um...
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He can jump people or
get inside of people.
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His energy is extremely
uncomfortable, like terrible, terrible.
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I got scared because I thought, I don't
know what this dude's fully capable of.
247
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[Whispers]
248
00:14:31,058 --> 00:14:35,337
Mark told me his house used to be
a doctor's office for T.B. patients.
249
00:14:35,338 --> 00:14:38,965
So I made some calls around
town, and his story checks out.
250
00:14:38,966 --> 00:14:44,866
But the historian I contacted says there's
a lot more to the story than Mark realizes.
251
00:14:51,077 --> 00:14:52,891
So, it turns out that
my client was right,
252
00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,537
that the house was occupied
by a doctor at one time.
253
00:14:55,538 --> 00:14:57,271
Yeah, Dr. George Gindele.
254
00:14:57,272 --> 00:14:59,073
Can you tell me a little bit about him?
255
00:14:59,074 --> 00:15:02,777
Well, he was a general practice doctor.
256
00:15:02,778 --> 00:15:06,891
There wasn't a lot of money in
medicine, and he had, like, 10 children,
257
00:15:06,892 --> 00:15:10,185
so they had to start
various other businesses.
258
00:15:10,186 --> 00:15:13,731
They opened up a candy store. They
had a newsstand that they operated.
259
00:15:13,732 --> 00:15:16,891
Okay, and he did treat
T.B. patients in the house?
260
00:15:16,892 --> 00:15:18,942
Yes, he did.
261
00:15:18,943 --> 00:15:22,169
This guy sounds like he
put a lot on his plate.
262
00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:24,322
He had a house with 10 kids
he was trying to raise...
263
00:15:24,323 --> 00:15:25,166
Yeah.
264
00:15:25,167 --> 00:15:26,909
His own practice,
several other businesses,
265
00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:30,374
plus, he's treating a very
contagious disease in his own home.
266
00:15:30,375 --> 00:15:36,195
Right. He must have been
terribly stressed out in his life.
267
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[Sighs]
268
00:15:39,236 --> 00:15:41,052
That hurt.
269
00:15:41,053 --> 00:15:45,313
But I know what he [Bleep]
looks like now to me.
270
00:15:45,314 --> 00:15:48,040
Even though the angry
man violently attacked me,
271
00:15:48,041 --> 00:15:50,469
he revealed himself to
me for just a second.
272
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:53,581
And I was able to get a glimpse
of what he looked like in life.
273
00:15:53,582 --> 00:15:56,603
Very professional field.
274
00:15:56,604 --> 00:16:00,504
Dark-brown hair, average
build, as far as I can tell.
275
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He does have a coat on.
276
00:16:09,603 --> 00:16:14,283
He had a very, very
[Bleep] stressful life.
277
00:16:14,607 --> 00:16:18,447
Very [Bleep] stressed about work.
278
00:16:18,886 --> 00:16:22,186
High stakes. High stakes.
279
00:16:24,127 --> 00:16:26,744
Now, you had mentioned that he
had some tragedy in his life.
280
00:16:26,745 --> 00:16:31,829
Yeah. Some years before, a couple of his
sons were going through an apple orchard.
281
00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:36,324
Nearby the property, and this man suddenly
appears, and he starts yelling at them
282
00:16:36,325 --> 00:16:38,935
in German, telling them to
get out of the apple orchard.
283
00:16:38,936 --> 00:16:41,293
And he takes out a
shotgun full of buckshot,
284
00:16:41,294 --> 00:16:43,479
and he starts firing them at the kids.
285
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,778
And one of the sons got hit in the leg.
286
00:16:45,779 --> 00:16:49,027
And the oldest son,
George, got hit in the face.
287
00:16:49,028 --> 00:16:53,512
And he didn't die, but it
disfigured him horribly.
288
00:16:53,513 --> 00:16:55,130
I've seen shotgun victims before.
289
00:16:55,131 --> 00:16:57,252
How bad was his face?
290
00:16:57,253 --> 00:17:01,211
Well, George Jr. was hit 35
times in the face and the neck.
291
00:17:01,212 --> 00:17:04,872
So it was obviously very bad.
292
00:17:08,931 --> 00:17:10,399
Matthew: You all right?
293
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,540
There's a lot of pain in his head.
294
00:17:14,888 --> 00:17:16,568
_.
295
00:17:16,805 --> 00:17:18,485
_.
296
00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:22,778
He had a destination. There was
some kind of meeting with men.
297
00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:26,679
And then, I see trees around me.
298
00:17:26,946 --> 00:17:29,618
That's when things get sketchy.
299
00:17:29,619 --> 00:17:33,219
But then, he came back here.
300
00:17:33,756 --> 00:17:36,625
Steve: So, now you got this poor kid
shot in the face. He's disfigured.
301
00:17:36,626 --> 00:17:39,228
- Whatever wound up happening to him?
- It's a tragedy.
302
00:17:39,229 --> 00:17:43,009
About eight years later, 1926...
303
00:17:43,093 --> 00:17:47,252
The doctor gets a house call, and he
decides to take George out with him.
304
00:17:47,253 --> 00:17:49,592
And it's pretty snowy
for that time of year.
305
00:17:49,593 --> 00:17:52,508
And the house call is
around the Des Plaines River.
306
00:17:52,509 --> 00:17:55,920
And the doctor parks his car,
goes off on his house call...
307
00:17:55,921 --> 00:17:58,674
And he leaves young George behind.
308
00:17:58,675 --> 00:18:00,931
George got out of the car
evidently, and he went and he
309
00:18:00,932 --> 00:18:03,814
sat on the edge of the bridge
looking down at the river.
310
00:18:03,815 --> 00:18:06,788
Meantime, Dr. Gindele comes
back, and the kid's missing.
311
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:09,160
He doesn't know what
happened to him so...
312
00:18:09,161 --> 00:18:12,926
He goes back home and files
a missing-person report.
313
00:18:12,927 --> 00:18:16,806
They finally found his body a
couple weeks later downstream.
314
00:18:16,807 --> 00:18:20,568
A few miles from where he had
evidently gone into the river.
315
00:18:20,569 --> 00:18:22,894
Okay. So, did they
have a cause of death?
316
00:18:22,895 --> 00:18:27,675
Well, they brought the
body in for an autopsy.
317
00:18:27,676 --> 00:18:30,478
And that's the death certificate.
318
00:18:30,479 --> 00:18:32,479
He drowned, and they're
saying it's accidental.
319
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,547
Right.
320
00:18:33,548 --> 00:18:36,667
- This had to devastate him.
- Oh, it had to.
321
00:18:36,668 --> 00:18:41,768
And it just broke him
up. It just destroyed him.
322
00:18:45,159 --> 00:18:46,326
This guy, he fell down.
323
00:18:46,327 --> 00:18:52,227
He slipped on the ice, and maybe he kind
of snapped a little when... you know?
324
00:18:52,603 --> 00:18:55,301
Because he's not dealing with it.
325
00:18:55,302 --> 00:19:00,072
I think it's just because
his brain is... he's confused.
326
00:19:00,073 --> 00:19:04,747
It triggered his pain,
and he got really angry.
327
00:19:04,748 --> 00:19:07,628
Uh, pretty quickly.
328
00:19:12,754 --> 00:19:14,974
[Whispers]
329
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:24,490
Steve: I want to know what happened to
Dr. Gindele after the death of his son.
330
00:19:24,491 --> 00:19:29,309
For me, the best source of
information is from a family member.
331
00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:31,330
I've managed to track down
one of his descendants,
332
00:19:31,331 --> 00:19:36,431
who says the tragedy
destroyed the doctor's life.
333
00:19:44,007 --> 00:19:46,380
Now, Jack, I know you're a
descendant of Dr. Gindele.
334
00:19:46,381 --> 00:19:48,312
But what was your actual
relationship to him?
335
00:19:48,313 --> 00:19:50,574
- He was my grandfather.
- Okay.
336
00:19:50,575 --> 00:19:55,486
And this is a picture of Dr.
Gindele and his oldest son George.
337
00:19:55,487 --> 00:19:58,100
- This was taken before he was shot?
- Yes.
338
00:19:58,101 --> 00:20:00,882
You know, Jack, one of the reasons
I actually wanted to meet with you
339
00:20:00,883 --> 00:20:05,242
is because I wanted to find out what
happened to the doctor after his son died.
340
00:20:05,243 --> 00:20:11,143
He had a nervous breakdown, and as a
result, he stopped practicing medicine.
341
00:20:11,464 --> 00:20:15,724
My understanding is that Dr.
Gindele was of such a state of mind
342
00:20:15,725 --> 00:20:19,690
that he went to live in Oak
Park with one of his sisters.
343
00:20:19,691 --> 00:20:24,637
And my Grandmother stayed in
the house with the children.
344
00:20:24,638 --> 00:20:27,373
So, he just left them there?
345
00:20:27,374 --> 00:20:28,606
Well...
346
00:20:28,607 --> 00:20:30,767
Uh, yes.
347
00:20:31,622 --> 00:20:34,692
I got to figure your Grandmother
had it pretty tough then.
348
00:20:34,693 --> 00:20:36,553
Yes.
349
00:20:38,515 --> 00:20:40,550
How old was the doctor when he died?
350
00:20:40,551 --> 00:20:43,476
- Uh, 75.
- 75, okay.
351
00:20:43,477 --> 00:20:45,589
And how old was your
Grandmother when she passed?
352
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:47,727
- In her 80s.
- Oh, she was an elderly woman.
353
00:20:47,728 --> 00:20:50,608
- Oh, yes.
- Okay.
354
00:20:57,999 --> 00:21:01,239
I feel very tired here.
355
00:21:01,923 --> 00:21:03,963
Just...
356
00:21:04,963 --> 00:21:06,418
Worn out.
357
00:21:06,419 --> 00:21:08,639
Worn out.
358
00:21:10,038 --> 00:21:12,279
This might be that old lady.
359
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,517
- Okay.
- But something...
360
00:21:15,518 --> 00:21:17,738
Is not...
361
00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:19,596
Right.
362
00:21:19,597 --> 00:21:23,077
What are you talking about?
363
00:21:24,546 --> 00:21:29,106
Something about their
family, it's broken.
364
00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:32,942
She felt really lonely...
365
00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:35,103
Confused.
366
00:21:36,948 --> 00:21:39,516
I don't like it.
367
00:21:39,517 --> 00:21:43,357
It's a little [Bleep] unnerving.
368
00:21:49,143 --> 00:21:50,901
Steve: I'm at the local
library to see what
369
00:21:50,902 --> 00:21:55,422
else I can uncover about
my client's property.
370
00:21:55,423 --> 00:22:00,767
Digging through the archives, I discover
that a poor farm operated right next door.
371
00:22:00,768 --> 00:22:05,082
And according to the headlines,
the conditions there were terrible.
372
00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:06,843
So I've reached out to a local reporter,
373
00:22:06,844 --> 00:22:12,744
who tells me that the tragedies that
took place there are unthinkable.
374
00:22:15,989 --> 00:22:18,509
[Bell jingles]
375
00:22:19,052 --> 00:22:23,238
Pat: The Cook County poor farm
is one of the dirty secrets...
376
00:22:23,239 --> 00:22:25,434
In Chicago history.
377
00:22:25,435 --> 00:22:30,088
The conditions there
were absolutely appalling.
378
00:22:30,089 --> 00:22:34,110
This was where they sent people,
basically, to be forgotten.
379
00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:39,930
And as you can see from this picture,
this is a fairly large institution.
380
00:22:39,931 --> 00:22:43,190
What kind of people would
have been on this poor farm?
381
00:22:43,191 --> 00:22:45,760
Quite a variety. There
were mental patients...
382
00:22:45,761 --> 00:22:49,669
There were indigents, and
there were tubercular patients.
383
00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:52,462
Pat, you mentioned on the phone
that there was a tragedy on the farm.
384
00:22:52,463 --> 00:22:53,713
What was it?
385
00:22:53,714 --> 00:22:58,063
In 1923, the main building
of the mental institution...
386
00:22:58,064 --> 00:23:00,817
- Okay.
- Burned down.
387
00:23:00,818 --> 00:23:04,898
And at least 17 people were killed.
388
00:23:05,156 --> 00:23:08,150
All of their bodies were
burned beyond recognition.
389
00:23:08,151 --> 00:23:09,241
Wow.
390
00:23:09,242 --> 00:23:14,942
And as you can see, the
destruction was pretty widespread.
391
00:23:14,963 --> 00:23:20,863
As a matter of fact, most of the people
who died there ended up being buried there.
392
00:23:21,577 --> 00:23:24,441
You mean people who died there
before and after the fire?
393
00:23:24,442 --> 00:23:25,460
Yes.
394
00:23:25,461 --> 00:23:28,686
And what's the estimate of how many people
are actually buried on that property?
395
00:23:28,687 --> 00:23:31,881
Conservatively, 38,000 people.
396
00:23:31,882 --> 00:23:33,742
Wow.
397
00:23:39,923 --> 00:23:44,135
Amy: During my walk, I got a quick
glimpse of the angry man who attacked me.
398
00:23:44,136 --> 00:23:46,571
So I'm meeting with a
sketch artist to draw him.
399
00:23:46,572 --> 00:23:50,868
His hair was very thick but cut short.
400
00:23:50,869 --> 00:23:54,133
And kind of a longer chin.
401
00:23:54,134 --> 00:23:55,580
How about his eyes?
402
00:23:55,581 --> 00:23:57,630
Almond-shaped.
403
00:23:57,631 --> 00:24:01,897
Next, I described a horrifying
scene in the upstairs bedroom.
404
00:24:01,898 --> 00:24:07,798
There's a woman in the bed, and
I saw him, like, beating on her.
405
00:24:09,255 --> 00:24:12,746
I'd have his left hand holding her arm.
406
00:24:12,747 --> 00:24:17,127
And his right hand in a fist over her.
407
00:24:23,644 --> 00:24:26,764
Is this what you saw?
408
00:24:28,879 --> 00:24:30,739
Yes.
409
00:24:35,483 --> 00:24:37,703
[Whispers]
410
00:24:53,991 --> 00:24:56,573
Steve: Now that Amy and I have
completed our own investigations.
411
00:24:56,574 --> 00:25:01,929
We're ready to reveal our findings to each
other and our clients for the first time.
412
00:25:01,930 --> 00:25:03,497
Amy, I want you to meet Mark.
413
00:25:03,498 --> 00:25:05,932
He's a cop, and he's
been a cop for 27 years.
414
00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:08,436
This is his wife, Lori,
and his daughter, Cristina.
415
00:25:08,437 --> 00:25:11,257
Now, Cristina's actually
the one who called us in.
416
00:25:11,258 --> 00:25:13,003
But she doesn't live here anymore.
417
00:25:13,004 --> 00:25:16,667
Even though she doesn't live here, she's
still getting tormented by nightmares.
418
00:25:16,668 --> 00:25:19,087
Now she has a
3-year-old daughter...
419
00:25:19,088 --> 00:25:22,009
Who's having similar dreams, and
she's getting very concerned about it.
420
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:25,102
These two live here, and they're
being tormented by the activity.
421
00:25:25,103 --> 00:25:30,275
And they want to get their life back in
order and make this a safe place to live.
422
00:25:30,276 --> 00:25:32,960
So, now that Amy knows a little
bit about what's going on,
423
00:25:32,961 --> 00:25:35,443
I'm gonna ask her to
tell us about her walk.
424
00:25:35,444 --> 00:25:38,852
So, I encountered two men.
425
00:25:38,853 --> 00:25:42,471
And they didn't have any skin.
426
00:25:42,472 --> 00:25:47,272
They were kind of like
mushy-looking corpses.
427
00:25:47,988 --> 00:25:53,388
They were a little charred
like they had been burned.
428
00:25:53,627 --> 00:25:57,636
Upstairs in the hallway in
particular, they like to horse around.
429
00:25:57,637 --> 00:25:59,637
They're kind of acting crazy.
430
00:25:59,638 --> 00:26:03,929
You'd hear the scuffling
feet in that hallway.
431
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:06,518
Steve: Now, you guys hear
footsteps all the time upstairs.
432
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,321
- Yeah.
- Correct.
433
00:26:08,322 --> 00:26:11,044
I would think it was Mark
coming home from work.
434
00:26:11,045 --> 00:26:12,779
And I would hear footsteps.
435
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:16,967
Well, this particular night, I
heard the footsteps coming up...
436
00:26:16,968 --> 00:26:20,370
And I waited for him, you know,
to come back to, like, the bedroom,
437
00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:23,221
and he never came back,
meaning it wasn't him.
438
00:26:23,222 --> 00:26:24,755
Right.
439
00:26:24,756 --> 00:26:27,758
Now, you mentioned these guys
looked like they were burned?
440
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,592
They got burned in a fire.
441
00:26:29,593 --> 00:26:34,399
That's interesting you say that because in
the late 1800s, less than a mile from here.
442
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,098
Adjacent to the property was
the Cook County poor farm.
443
00:26:39,099 --> 00:26:42,181
The complex housed poor people...
444
00:26:42,182 --> 00:26:46,438
Had an insane asylum on it, and it had
a Sanitarium for Tuberculosis patients.
445
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:47,913
Mark: Wow.
446
00:26:47,914 --> 00:26:51,503
1923, the insane asylum
burns down to the ground.
447
00:26:51,504 --> 00:26:52,848
Oh.
448
00:26:52,849 --> 00:26:54,310
17 people burn to death.
449
00:26:54,311 --> 00:26:55,636
- Lori: Oh, my gosh.
- Oh, wow.
450
00:26:55,637 --> 00:26:59,957
Now, this is a photo of the aftermath.
451
00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:03,354
People that went there, they died
there, and they were buried there.
452
00:27:03,355 --> 00:27:05,680
Could be as high as 38,000.
453
00:27:05,681 --> 00:27:07,454
What?
454
00:27:07,455 --> 00:27:08,997
- Right here?
- Right here.
455
00:27:08,998 --> 00:27:11,956
Now, do you think these
guys came from that fire?
456
00:27:11,957 --> 00:27:13,817
Yes.
457
00:27:16,643 --> 00:27:18,161
What else did you see?
458
00:27:18,162 --> 00:27:22,422
I encountered this older woman outside.
459
00:27:22,552 --> 00:27:26,045
And she was just spewing hate.
460
00:27:26,046 --> 00:27:29,119
She felt very alone and confused.
461
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,204
And was really, really tired.
462
00:27:32,205 --> 00:27:36,437
One of the things that
she likes to do is...
463
00:27:36,438 --> 00:27:39,161
Come out of the closets.
464
00:27:39,162 --> 00:27:42,746
She's trying to assert
her dominance that way.
465
00:27:42,747 --> 00:27:46,387
I saw the figure of a woman...
466
00:27:46,388 --> 00:27:50,566
Upstairs in my bedroom
facing the closet.
467
00:27:50,567 --> 00:27:53,401
And she disappeared into it.
468
00:27:53,402 --> 00:27:56,440
I saw an apparition of a woman.
469
00:27:56,441 --> 00:28:00,026
I could only see her from the back because
she was sitting on the edge of the bed.
470
00:28:00,027 --> 00:28:03,659
The edge of the bed is
right next to the closet.
471
00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:06,895
Let me ask. What is she pissed about?
472
00:28:06,896 --> 00:28:10,196
She doesn't feel like...
473
00:28:10,397 --> 00:28:13,197
This is her space anymore.
474
00:28:13,198 --> 00:28:18,013
Because there was something about
seances and someone opening a door.
475
00:28:18,014 --> 00:28:20,943
And she's getting desperate.
476
00:28:20,944 --> 00:28:23,717
No one's listening,
and she swears to God,
477
00:28:23,718 --> 00:28:26,951
if it continues she
wants to poison you guys.
478
00:28:26,952 --> 00:28:29,699
Like, she wants to poison you.
479
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,456
- They did have a ghost group...
- Okay.
480
00:28:32,457 --> 00:28:34,368
Of paranormal investigators come in.
481
00:28:34,369 --> 00:28:38,926
Not only that, but they had a priest
perform an exorcism in the house.
482
00:28:38,927 --> 00:28:40,920
- We did.
- Of the house?
483
00:28:40,921 --> 00:28:42,410
Of the house.
484
00:28:42,411 --> 00:28:44,845
This is where we
started the ritual here.
485
00:28:44,846 --> 00:28:47,448
And he said that he was
chasing whatever it was
486
00:28:47,449 --> 00:28:50,435
throughout the house
down into the basement.
487
00:28:50,436 --> 00:28:52,856
While he was in the basement...
488
00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,030
He's saying the final prayers and...
489
00:28:56,031 --> 00:28:59,448
The stole got pulled off of his
shoulders and thrown to the floor.
490
00:28:59,449 --> 00:29:01,584
[Gasps] Oh [Bleep]!
491
00:29:01,585 --> 00:29:03,453
Now...
492
00:29:03,454 --> 00:29:07,861
Is the woman pissed off because of
maybe the exorcism or all of the above?
493
00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:09,879
I think it's all of the above.
494
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,160
I'm a little concerned about your saying
that she was going to poison the people.
495
00:29:13,161 --> 00:29:15,610
- Mm hmm.
- Is she capable of that?
496
00:29:15,611 --> 00:29:17,471
Yes.
497
00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:20,573
Amy: This woman's so advanced
she's able to persuade the living
498
00:29:20,574 --> 00:29:25,364
into harming themselves, and
she plans to do it with poison.
499
00:29:25,365 --> 00:29:27,352
I got to protect my family.
500
00:29:27,353 --> 00:29:32,701
This is not something that's
gonna obviously fly here.
501
00:29:32,702 --> 00:29:35,052
Steve: What else did you see?
502
00:29:35,053 --> 00:29:37,821
I'm outside, and I meet this guy.
503
00:29:37,822 --> 00:29:40,850
He was trying to get me out of here.
504
00:29:40,851 --> 00:29:45,402
He just didn't want me to
find anything out about him.
505
00:29:45,403 --> 00:29:50,306
Definitely the most powerful
entity that's in this house.
506
00:29:50,307 --> 00:29:52,937
Aah! He's pissed off. He's angry.
507
00:29:52,938 --> 00:29:55,258
People definitely see this guy.
508
00:29:55,259 --> 00:29:56,669
Ow.
509
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:59,617
Aah. He hurts people.
510
00:29:59,618 --> 00:30:01,895
He looked very professional.
511
00:30:01,896 --> 00:30:03,615
He was...
512
00:30:03,616 --> 00:30:05,646
Obsessed with his work.
513
00:30:05,647 --> 00:30:08,459
Extremely stressed-out man.
514
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,658
And he was extremely good
at whatever it was he did.
515
00:30:11,659 --> 00:30:15,205
But it was high-stress and high stakes.
516
00:30:15,206 --> 00:30:19,839
I'm not sure if this is the guy
you saw, but it sounds like him.
517
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,762
This house was occupied by a guy
by the name of Dr. George Gindele.
518
00:30:24,763 --> 00:30:27,797
And he worked out of
the house, this house.
519
00:30:27,798 --> 00:30:31,326
Um, starting in, I think, 1920.
520
00:30:31,327 --> 00:30:33,798
He was a workaholic, this guy.
521
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,553
Back during that time period, Chicago
had a big Tuberculosis outbreak.
522
00:30:38,554 --> 00:30:43,823
He treated a lot of those
patients right here in the house.
523
00:30:43,824 --> 00:30:46,863
And he had 10 kids here.
524
00:30:46,864 --> 00:30:49,296
That's a lot of stress.
525
00:30:49,297 --> 00:30:55,197
I'm just curious if this could
possibly be the guy you saw.
526
00:31:00,683 --> 00:31:04,163
I did do a sketch of him.
527
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:13,990
Well, you guys take
a look at the sketch.
528
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:19,089
Wow.
529
00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:21,670
Wow, is right.
530
00:31:22,061 --> 00:31:24,165
That's the apparition I saw.
531
00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:26,878
100% definitely, that's the guy I saw.
532
00:31:26,879 --> 00:31:28,701
Oh, my God.
533
00:31:28,702 --> 00:31:33,229
Steve: If you imagine a mustache right
here, it really does look just like him.
534
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:35,401
I don't like the fact that...
535
00:31:35,402 --> 00:31:38,955
He's here doing what he's doing
because I'd figure if he was a doctor,
536
00:31:38,956 --> 00:31:42,736
he would be helping people,
not causing problems.
537
00:31:42,737 --> 00:31:44,921
And did you get anything
else from this guy?
538
00:31:44,922 --> 00:31:48,100
He had had two big
accidents during his life.
539
00:31:48,101 --> 00:31:52,841
The first one I saw
was he slipped on ice.
540
00:31:53,034 --> 00:31:58,636
The other one I saw, like, he
was walking to meet some men...
541
00:31:58,637 --> 00:32:01,504
And then, something
really, really bad happened.
542
00:32:01,505 --> 00:32:06,451
He was all bloody, and there was
something wrong with his eyes.
543
00:32:06,452 --> 00:32:10,808
I have nothing that says Dr.
Gindele had any accidents but...
544
00:32:10,809 --> 00:32:14,782
There were two events in his
life that basically destroyed him.
545
00:32:14,783 --> 00:32:20,683
I actually have a picture of him and
his son, who he was very close to.
546
00:32:21,893 --> 00:32:24,692
This is the doctor, and
this is his son, George Jr.
547
00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:28,205
George Jr. was about 20 years old, and
he was walking through the neighbor's,
548
00:32:28,206 --> 00:32:30,333
farm the apple orchard.
549
00:32:30,334 --> 00:32:33,168
And the guy that lived on the
farm decided to take a shot at him.
550
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:34,402
What?
551
00:32:34,403 --> 00:32:36,671
Shot him in the face and neck.
552
00:32:36,672 --> 00:32:40,152
So this kid was disfigured.
553
00:32:42,610 --> 00:32:45,310
My dream. [Sobs]
554
00:32:46,744 --> 00:32:50,096
I had a nightmare one
night, and there was
555
00:32:50,097 --> 00:32:55,129
a boy who looked like
he was in his late teens.
556
00:32:55,130 --> 00:33:00,860
And it looked like he had been shot in the
head because half of his face was missing.
557
00:33:00,861 --> 00:33:04,289
And he kept trying to
force me to look at it.
558
00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:06,510
[Sniffles]
559
00:33:06,801 --> 00:33:12,701
Because I have nightmares all the
time that are connected to this house.
560
00:33:19,146 --> 00:33:21,306
[Sobbing]
561
00:33:32,117 --> 00:33:34,337
[Whispers]
562
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:46,870
I have nightmares all the time
that are connected to this house.
563
00:33:50,928 --> 00:33:53,088
[Sobbing]
564
00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:01,618
This is...
565
00:34:01,619 --> 00:34:03,703
Hard for me to take.
566
00:34:03,704 --> 00:34:06,625
Cristina: You guys thought I was crazy.
567
00:34:06,626 --> 00:34:09,523
Lori: I never even heard that, honey.
I didn't even know that happened.
568
00:34:09,524 --> 00:34:11,534
[Sobbing continues]
569
00:34:11,535 --> 00:34:13,037
She'll be all right.
570
00:34:13,038 --> 00:34:16,398
Hopefully, this helps her.
571
00:34:22,495 --> 00:34:26,155
- You all right?
- I'm okay.
572
00:34:28,052 --> 00:34:31,589
Starting to make sense to you
now, though, a little? Yeah?
573
00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:36,540
Now, this poor kid, George Jr., was
badly disfigured from this shooting.
574
00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:39,330
Now, you mentioned falling into
the ice or falling on the ice.
575
00:34:39,331 --> 00:34:43,531
George Jr., in April of 1926, fell...
576
00:34:44,115 --> 00:34:48,238
Accidentally or he jumped
into the Des Plaines River.
577
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,767
And I have his death certificate.
578
00:34:51,768 --> 00:34:57,571
Right here basically, you'll see,
it just says accidental drowning.
579
00:34:57,572 --> 00:35:03,077
This eventually destroyed Dr. Gindele
because he gave up his medical practice.
580
00:35:03,078 --> 00:35:07,225
He moved out of his house, left
his wife with the nine kids...
581
00:35:07,226 --> 00:35:08,078
What?
582
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,885
Moved in with his sister,
and left her here alone.
583
00:35:11,886 --> 00:35:15,125
Now, she stayed here
until she died in 1960.
584
00:35:15,126 --> 00:35:17,892
This is his wife, Julia.
585
00:35:17,893 --> 00:35:20,353
Oh, my gosh.
586
00:35:21,064 --> 00:35:23,195
Could this be the woman you saw?
587
00:35:23,196 --> 00:35:24,257
Yes.
588
00:35:24,258 --> 00:35:26,531
Now, could this possibly
be the guy you saw?
589
00:35:26,532 --> 00:35:30,192
- I think so.
- Oh, my gosh.
590
00:35:30,726 --> 00:35:35,226
The main areas that he likes to be in...
591
00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:39,718
Is the basement and then
the front room upstairs.
592
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,877
Would that be causing her nightmares?
593
00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,731
I mean, it seems like they're... yeah.
594
00:35:44,732 --> 00:35:49,053
With him, you'd experience him in
a lot of, you know, different ways.
595
00:35:49,054 --> 00:35:52,767
Anyways, you might hear,
you know, things in your ears
596
00:35:52,768 --> 00:35:55,391
making threats, touching people.
597
00:35:55,392 --> 00:35:58,998
Most of the stuff he
does is in the dark.
598
00:35:58,999 --> 00:36:01,508
I am very afraid of the dark.
599
00:36:01,509 --> 00:36:05,805
And at night, there will be times
where I wake up in my sleep...
600
00:36:05,806 --> 00:36:08,184
And I won't even open my eyes.
601
00:36:08,185 --> 00:36:10,553
I'll just pray that I fall back asleep.
602
00:36:10,554 --> 00:36:12,056
Why do you wake up?
603
00:36:12,057 --> 00:36:15,025
- I don't know why I wake up.
- Huh.
604
00:36:15,026 --> 00:36:18,209
I did do another sketch
of something that he does.
605
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:20,176
[Sighs]
606
00:36:20,177 --> 00:36:23,912
And it was in the main bedroom.
607
00:36:23,913 --> 00:36:29,313
And he was getting physical
with a woman in the bed.
608
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:41,053
Well, I have to show this to you, so...
609
00:36:42,352 --> 00:36:43,641
[Sighs]
610
00:36:43,642 --> 00:36:45,689
That's really freaky.
611
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:48,570
He's touching you.
612
00:36:48,652 --> 00:36:51,828
Why don't you just explain
to Amy what you told me?
613
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:56,158
Well, not too long ago, I
was in a sound sleep, and...
614
00:36:56,159 --> 00:37:00,537
I woke up because I felt
somebody grabbing my waist.
615
00:37:00,538 --> 00:37:02,205
And I could feel the fingers.
616
00:37:02,206 --> 00:37:06,742
But when I woke up, I did open
my eyes, and I was facing Mark.
617
00:37:06,743 --> 00:37:09,287
So, my back would have
been towards the closet.
618
00:37:09,288 --> 00:37:11,932
So, it couldn't have
been him touching me.
619
00:37:11,933 --> 00:37:13,739
I'm getting angry.
620
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:16,859
Because this isn't his
house anymore. It's my house.
621
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,948
I'm going to tell you what
I believe is going on here.
622
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:26,727
After hearing everything, I kind of feel
like I was being a little too hard on him.
623
00:37:26,728 --> 00:37:28,492
It's a heartbreaking story.
624
00:37:28,493 --> 00:37:33,640
The woman, she's always been
here. I mean, she never left.
625
00:37:33,641 --> 00:37:36,576
I think that what...
626
00:37:36,577 --> 00:37:39,302
May have happened
here is that...
627
00:37:39,303 --> 00:37:41,945
He was probably pulled
back to the house.
628
00:37:41,946 --> 00:37:45,314
When you had paranormal groups
come in and try to contact the dead.
629
00:37:45,315 --> 00:37:50,535
It probably pulled him
back here from the darkness.
630
00:37:51,815 --> 00:37:53,948
This is the place he ran from in life...
631
00:37:53,949 --> 00:37:56,837
Too many memories, too much pain.
632
00:37:56,838 --> 00:38:01,575
He's reliving it over
and over and over again.
633
00:38:01,576 --> 00:38:06,730
I think he's angry at you
because you called him back here.
634
00:38:06,731 --> 00:38:11,051
I think he's lashing out because
he wants to make you suffer, too.
635
00:38:11,052 --> 00:38:16,089
He really can't leave now because
he's just in the thick of this chaos.
636
00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:18,894
So, he's not able to leave on
his own, even if he wanted to.
637
00:38:18,895 --> 00:38:20,995
Exactly.
638
00:38:21,462 --> 00:38:24,695
So, when you saw the accidents
involving the ice and the blood,
639
00:38:24,696 --> 00:38:27,534
was that him reliving
his son's accidents?
640
00:38:27,535 --> 00:38:30,851
I think so. It's a very, very sad thing.
641
00:38:30,852 --> 00:38:33,582
It is sad, and on the
same... I feel bad for him.
642
00:38:33,583 --> 00:38:35,367
And on the other hand, I'm mad.
643
00:38:35,368 --> 00:38:38,424
- Well, look what he's doing to your wife.
- That's the part I'm mad about.
644
00:38:38,425 --> 00:38:42,025
And what he did to my kids.
645
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160
I know you guys got overwhelmed
with a lot of information tonight,
646
00:38:48,161 --> 00:38:50,016
and I'm sure it's not
what you wanted to hear.
647
00:38:50,017 --> 00:38:52,625
But the big question is can you
live here without all the torment?
648
00:38:52,626 --> 00:38:54,835
And can you go on without
having these nightmares
649
00:38:54,836 --> 00:38:57,538
and protect your 3-year-old
from having the same issues?
650
00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:58,942
I don't have an answer for that,
651
00:38:58,943 --> 00:39:03,769
but I'm gonna turn it over to
Amy, and hopefully, she will.
652
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:05,569
Amy: It's going to sound unusual.
653
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:09,794
The first thing would be to
get a clinical psychologist.
654
00:39:09,795 --> 00:39:13,078
Who practices providing therapy.
655
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:14,913
These are his conditions.
656
00:39:14,914 --> 00:39:17,032
Steve: What do you mean his conditions?
657
00:39:17,033 --> 00:39:19,413
- He's asking for this?
- Yes.
658
00:39:19,414 --> 00:39:23,074
Earlier, we made a compromise.
659
00:39:23,293 --> 00:39:25,524
This actually happens quite often.
660
00:39:25,525 --> 00:39:28,890
When I got to the house for the
reveal, the angry man approached me,
661
00:39:28,891 --> 00:39:32,453
and we worked out a deal
to help him to move on.
662
00:39:32,454 --> 00:39:33,787
He needs to focus...
663
00:39:33,788 --> 00:39:35,925
He needs to focus...
664
00:39:35,926 --> 00:39:38,268
On talking out his life.
665
00:39:38,269 --> 00:39:39,889
On talking out his life.
666
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:42,609
Because right now he's living in chaos.
667
00:39:42,610 --> 00:39:46,903
So, we want to give him a
little bit of time to process.
668
00:39:46,904 --> 00:39:50,627
And hopefully, he'll just
leave after that anyways.
669
00:39:50,628 --> 00:39:54,820
The second thing is you need
to bring in a chaos magician.
670
00:39:54,821 --> 00:39:57,613
What the hell exactly
is a chaos magician?
671
00:39:57,614 --> 00:40:01,583
A chaos magician is an individual who...
672
00:40:01,584 --> 00:40:05,184
Follows the philosophy that...
673
00:40:05,475 --> 00:40:09,685
The Universe and the Earth and
everything is functioning within chaos.
674
00:40:09,686 --> 00:40:12,805
So they utilize that
chaos within their magic.
675
00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:16,055
So, when the chaos magician comes
in, that'll get rid of the old lady,
676
00:40:16,056 --> 00:40:20,778
the two burn victims, and Dr. Gindele,
too, if he doesn't leave on his own?
677
00:40:20,779 --> 00:40:21,938
Yes.
678
00:40:21,939 --> 00:40:24,280
What of Cristina's nightmares at home?
679
00:40:24,281 --> 00:40:26,820
Because she's having them
not here but at her house.
680
00:40:26,821 --> 00:40:28,423
Right.
681
00:40:28,424 --> 00:40:31,049
How do we fix that, or can it be fixed?
682
00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:35,505
When you wake up, you need to
tell them, you get out of my house.
683
00:40:35,506 --> 00:40:38,508
You leave me alone. You
leave my daughter alone.
684
00:40:38,509 --> 00:40:40,762
Will it affect her daughter?
685
00:40:40,763 --> 00:40:43,679
Well, that remains to be seen.
686
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,309
- She's only having stuff here, right?
- Right, yeah.
687
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:49,287
Yeah. So, you know, they're
gonna do all these steps,
688
00:40:49,288 --> 00:40:50,906
and the house is gonna be locked down.
689
00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:53,191
So, then, she'll be
fine to come over here.
690
00:40:53,192 --> 00:40:54,659
Are you gonna do what Amy suggests?
691
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,794
I'll do my best, but that
psychologist isn't for us.
692
00:40:56,795 --> 00:40:58,696
I got enough people in the house.
693
00:40:58,697 --> 00:41:01,299
Even if we do the other
steps, he'll have to leave.
694
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:03,571
We'll force him to leave.
695
00:41:03,572 --> 00:41:06,703
- Are you seriously gonna do that?
- I don't know.
696
00:41:06,704 --> 00:41:10,974
Hey, you got to take some responsibility
here, he did not want to be here.
697
00:41:10,975 --> 00:41:13,912
It's just the negotiation part
that I have a problem with.
698
00:41:13,913 --> 00:41:19,813
I'm upset, too, you know? This guy
beat the [Bleep] out of me for hours.
699
00:41:19,891 --> 00:41:24,631
I think that you should
go with what Amy...
700
00:41:24,645 --> 00:41:25,906
Is saying.
701
00:41:25,907 --> 00:41:29,722
And it's just that, you know,
as extreme as it is for Lori,
702
00:41:29,723 --> 00:41:34,036
if it gets it all to stop,
then swallow your pride, and...
703
00:41:34,037 --> 00:41:38,167
You have to do what you have
to do to get it all to stop.
704
00:41:38,168 --> 00:41:40,339
- It's not easy for me.
- Because you're pissed off.
705
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:43,708
But you know what, two
wrongs don't make right.
706
00:41:43,709 --> 00:41:46,781
Amy: I really hope Mark's frustration
doesn't affect his judgment
707
00:41:46,782 --> 00:41:49,114
when it comes to following my advice.
708
00:41:49,115 --> 00:41:52,300
I believe that if he follows
the steps I've given him...
709
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:58,201
He'll not only be helping his
family but the dead here, too.
710
00:42:00,457 --> 00:42:02,137
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711
00:42:06,581 --> 00:42:08,261
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712
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:13,820
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