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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:10,855 --> 00:00:15,415 This thing wants to make someone here go nuts. 3 00:00:15,416 --> 00:00:17,784 Whatever's happening here is destroying us. 4 00:00:17,785 --> 00:00:19,286 Oh, boy. 5 00:00:19,287 --> 00:00:21,655 He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep]. 6 00:00:21,656 --> 00:00:23,857 That's got to scare the hell out of you, I would think. 7 00:00:23,858 --> 00:00:27,361 He'll say, get out. It's my house. Leave. 8 00:00:27,362 --> 00:00:29,683 It's not something you want to [Bleep] with. 9 00:00:29,684 --> 00:00:31,174 You telling me the truth? 10 00:00:31,175 --> 00:00:33,738 It made a believer out of me. 11 00:00:33,739 --> 00:00:37,819 It's this sick, twisted environment. 12 00:00:39,631 --> 00:00:41,850 They're being watched. 13 00:00:41,851 --> 00:00:44,869 My name is Amy Allan. 14 00:00:44,870 --> 00:00:47,072 This thing likes death. 15 00:00:47,073 --> 00:00:48,587 I see dead people. 16 00:00:48,588 --> 00:00:50,340 This thing's, like, a monster. 17 00:00:50,341 --> 00:00:52,477 I speak to dead people. 18 00:00:52,478 --> 00:00:54,011 And he's pissed off now. 19 00:00:54,012 --> 00:00:55,531 And they speak to me. 20 00:00:55,532 --> 00:00:57,213 His head was cracked. 21 00:00:57,214 --> 00:01:00,318 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:01:00,319 --> 00:01:02,442 This guy was murdered. 23 00:01:02,443 --> 00:01:03,796 I rely on my partner. 24 00:01:03,797 --> 00:01:06,956 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 25 00:01:06,957 --> 00:01:09,727 I cannot help you unless I know the whole story. 26 00:01:09,728 --> 00:01:13,064 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 27 00:01:13,065 --> 00:01:14,397 You saw her? 28 00:01:14,398 --> 00:01:15,733 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:15,734 --> 00:01:16,907 Why would you stay here? 30 00:01:16,908 --> 00:01:19,033 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:19,034 --> 00:01:20,992 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:20,993 --> 00:01:22,399 Until the very end. 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,257 [Echoing] Stop it. 34 00:01:24,258 --> 00:01:26,091 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:26,092 --> 00:01:28,713 Woman: I want to know the truth. I want to know what's happening. 36 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:30,148 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:30,149 --> 00:01:35,489 [Crying] I told you there were ghosts in this house. 38 00:01:49,168 --> 00:01:54,372 Di Schiavi: When Amy and I take on a case, our paths never cross until the very end. 39 00:01:54,373 --> 00:01:59,910 I interview living witnesses and uncover secrets behind the property's past. 40 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:03,114 While Amy communicates with the dead. 41 00:02:03,115 --> 00:02:08,686 When we're done, we meet up and reveal our findings to our clients and each other. 42 00:02:08,687 --> 00:02:12,890 I'm in Flint, Michigan, one of the most violent cities in all of America. 43 00:02:12,891 --> 00:02:15,891 I'm heading over to meet with a family who's being tormented by 44 00:02:15,892 --> 00:02:19,997 the type of violence that would never show up on the FBI stats. 45 00:02:19,998 --> 00:02:24,281 Kathy, the mom, says her family of seven are scared for their lives. 46 00:02:24,282 --> 00:02:29,202 And she thinks Amy and I are their last hope. 47 00:02:39,485 --> 00:02:41,073 Anderson: Before Amy arrives, 48 00:02:41,074 --> 00:02:44,389 I need to remove anything that could influence her findings. 49 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:48,218 It's clear from all these photographs that a large family lives here. 50 00:02:48,219 --> 00:02:50,857 So I need to carefully conceal any evidence of this. 51 00:02:50,858 --> 00:02:56,498 Only then will the location be ready for tonight's walk. 52 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:07,170 [Owl hooting] 53 00:03:09,981 --> 00:03:13,401 Allan: I'm hearing growls. 54 00:03:16,522 --> 00:03:18,742 [Growling] 55 00:03:19,368 --> 00:03:22,769 It's, like, not an animal. It's not human. 56 00:03:22,770 --> 00:03:25,890 It's very, very dark. 57 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:32,000 This was brought here on purpose. 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,100 Yeah, there's pretty bad [Bleep] here. 59 00:03:49,488 --> 00:03:52,390 Di Schiavi: Kathy, you sounded really upset on the phone. 60 00:03:52,391 --> 00:03:54,659 Things are pretty bad here, it sounds like. 61 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:56,093 Yes. 62 00:03:56,094 --> 00:03:59,297 We're seeing apparitions. We're getting attacked. 63 00:03:59,298 --> 00:04:02,165 - And who do you live here with? - My husband and five kids. 64 00:04:02,166 --> 00:04:04,402 Five years, we've been here. 65 00:04:04,403 --> 00:04:09,123 There's people being scratched, clawed, things thrown at. 66 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:11,542 And it hits the kids extremely hard. 67 00:04:11,543 --> 00:04:13,763 [Sniffles] 68 00:04:14,018 --> 00:04:19,058 - You okay? - Yeah. Just... it's a hard subject. 69 00:04:19,084 --> 00:04:21,209 I imagine it would be. 70 00:04:21,210 --> 00:04:24,055 I feel like I'm a bad mother. 71 00:04:24,056 --> 00:04:26,559 I mean, I didn't bring them into the world, 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,166 to have something I cannot see pick on them. 73 00:04:29,167 --> 00:04:31,529 How can I defend that? 74 00:04:31,530 --> 00:04:33,599 Have you ever done anything to try to stop it? 75 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,715 We've had investigators come in. 76 00:04:35,716 --> 00:04:39,877 We've done cleansing of the house. We've done sea salt around the yard. 77 00:04:39,878 --> 00:04:41,798 Okay. 78 00:04:42,073 --> 00:04:44,909 But we've done everything unsuccessfully. 79 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:49,530 And they've even tried an exorcism on me. 80 00:04:49,559 --> 00:04:53,351 - Oh, boy. - And nothing's helping. 81 00:04:53,352 --> 00:04:55,272 Okay. 82 00:05:00,892 --> 00:05:04,774 Allan: Whether it's people now or people that were here before, 83 00:05:04,775 --> 00:05:08,271 you know, somebody was definitely into some... 84 00:05:08,272 --> 00:05:09,934 Dark stuff. 85 00:05:09,935 --> 00:05:10,956 What do you mean? 86 00:05:10,957 --> 00:05:14,136 They're into the paranormal but... 87 00:05:14,137 --> 00:05:17,705 It seems like they're uneducated about it. 88 00:05:17,706 --> 00:05:21,980 Like, taking pictures and video, like they're really... 89 00:05:21,981 --> 00:05:25,281 Trying to figure it out. 90 00:05:31,256 --> 00:05:33,416 Oh, boy. 91 00:05:41,335 --> 00:05:43,495 Di Schiavi: Okay, so, what's going on in here? 92 00:05:43,496 --> 00:05:48,285 We see black masses, and, I mean, there's a lot of black masses in here. 93 00:05:48,286 --> 00:05:50,404 So, what shapes and sizes are we talking about? 94 00:05:50,405 --> 00:05:52,562 Well, some of them come in human forms. 95 00:05:52,563 --> 00:05:55,465 A lot of the times, it's a headless man. 96 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:59,817 He'll say, get out. It's mine. My house. Leave. 97 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:01,751 But some of them are just widespread. 98 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:05,164 I mean, it's like they spread across the wall. 99 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:07,446 And it's no reflection from outside or anything like that? 100 00:06:07,447 --> 00:06:08,423 No. No. 101 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:10,828 Well, that's got to scare the hell out of you, I would think. 102 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:13,131 Yes, it does. 103 00:06:13,132 --> 00:06:15,532 [Door opens] 104 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,739 So, there is something that runs. 105 00:06:25,944 --> 00:06:29,815 It went right through the wall, as if this wall's not here. 106 00:06:29,816 --> 00:06:33,232 - Was this the thing that was growling? - Yes. 107 00:06:33,233 --> 00:06:37,087 It's not something you want to [Bleep] with. 108 00:06:37,088 --> 00:06:39,602 I'm still not sure what this thing is. 109 00:06:39,603 --> 00:06:43,594 But I get the feeling that it's out to harm the people living in this house. 110 00:06:43,595 --> 00:06:47,242 I think that some people have seen it, like, a blackness. 111 00:06:47,243 --> 00:06:52,163 But it could come to them completely different. 112 00:06:54,072 --> 00:06:56,040 It definitely morphs. 113 00:06:56,041 --> 00:07:01,321 I just saw it, like, turn into a big spider thing. 114 00:07:06,084 --> 00:07:09,084 Very, very not good. 115 00:07:11,924 --> 00:07:14,056 Kathy: We're all close-knit, very close-knit, 116 00:07:14,057 --> 00:07:17,428 but when we're here, we're at each other's throats. 117 00:07:17,429 --> 00:07:21,437 We're all fighting, and, I mean, this is not us. 118 00:07:21,438 --> 00:07:23,257 How were the kids before they came here? 119 00:07:23,258 --> 00:07:26,678 They were happy. I mean, everybody was normal. 120 00:07:26,679 --> 00:07:29,996 - So their personalities took a change? - Yes. 121 00:07:29,997 --> 00:07:34,484 My one son, he got mad and punched a hole in the wall. 122 00:07:34,485 --> 00:07:35,995 That's not like him. 123 00:07:35,996 --> 00:07:37,496 Wow. 124 00:07:37,497 --> 00:07:41,391 But as long as we're off this property, we're back to normal. 125 00:07:41,392 --> 00:07:44,324 We can sort through what just happened. 126 00:07:44,325 --> 00:07:47,865 So, how long once you're off the property do you start feeling better? 127 00:07:47,866 --> 00:07:49,399 Just step off the property. 128 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,400 - That's it? - Yes. 129 00:07:52,937 --> 00:07:57,557 Whatever's happening here is destroying us. 130 00:07:59,878 --> 00:08:03,680 I'm hearing a lot of fighting... 131 00:08:03,681 --> 00:08:06,261 Like, constant. 132 00:08:07,605 --> 00:08:10,521 Um, screaming and yelling. 133 00:08:10,522 --> 00:08:16,042 So I'm thinking that's a direct effect of this thing. 134 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:22,683 I do see it, like, under the beds... 135 00:08:22,684 --> 00:08:28,444 Like, slithering like a little spider going under the beds. 136 00:08:30,408 --> 00:08:36,308 I think that it wants to make someone here or many, several go... [clicks tongue] 137 00:08:38,322 --> 00:08:40,242 Nuts. 138 00:08:46,524 --> 00:08:49,125 So, Kathy, why would you bring me out here? 139 00:08:49,126 --> 00:08:52,028 There was a time that I went out here to talk to my husband. 140 00:08:52,029 --> 00:08:56,905 He was out in the garage. And in the middle of talking to him, I felt a hand... 141 00:08:56,906 --> 00:09:00,403 Reach around my throat, and I couldn't breathe. 142 00:09:00,404 --> 00:09:02,142 I couldn't talk, couldn't nothing. 143 00:09:02,143 --> 00:09:06,377 When I come running out of the garage, I wound up vomiting out here, 144 00:09:06,378 --> 00:09:09,913 but I felt the release of the hand that was around my throat. 145 00:09:09,914 --> 00:09:11,147 Wow. 146 00:09:11,148 --> 00:09:14,217 That's probably the most physical interaction I've heard about. 147 00:09:14,218 --> 00:09:17,888 I haven't even told you the worst of it. 148 00:09:17,889 --> 00:09:20,857 One night, laying in bed, I was grabbed... 149 00:09:20,858 --> 00:09:24,025 You know, I mean, sexually grabbed. 150 00:09:24,026 --> 00:09:29,522 It woke me up out of sleep, and, of course, I check on my one son, Mikey. 151 00:09:29,523 --> 00:09:33,421 And I looked over, and his leg... 152 00:09:33,422 --> 00:09:37,474 Somebody had his leg and was pulling him off the bed. 153 00:09:37,475 --> 00:09:39,498 I mean, he was literally going from his pillow, 154 00:09:39,499 --> 00:09:42,758 down his bed and about to fall onto the floor. 155 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:45,082 What were they gonna do to him? 156 00:09:45,083 --> 00:09:47,527 What's the next step from this? 157 00:09:47,528 --> 00:09:49,185 How do you live like that? 158 00:09:49,186 --> 00:09:53,440 It's not living. You're just going day-by-day. 159 00:09:53,441 --> 00:09:57,894 It may sound strange, but when you're off the property, you just pray for a fire. 160 00:09:57,895 --> 00:09:59,254 It'll be the relief. 161 00:09:59,255 --> 00:10:05,155 I think it'll be the sigh, you know, that you can actually breathe a little bit. 162 00:10:12,043 --> 00:10:14,584 I see this woman who... 163 00:10:14,585 --> 00:10:16,730 Is just... 164 00:10:16,731 --> 00:10:17,814 [Gags] 165 00:10:17,815 --> 00:10:20,536 Like, caught in this. 166 00:10:20,537 --> 00:10:24,597 She just sees everything in her life... 167 00:10:24,598 --> 00:10:28,659 Falling apart... like, not sleeping, not really eating right. 168 00:10:28,660 --> 00:10:31,649 And she's kind of the one who takes care of everybody. 169 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:32,446 Anderson: Okay. 170 00:10:32,447 --> 00:10:35,455 And she's tough, but... 171 00:10:35,456 --> 00:10:38,886 You know, she's broken now. She's just broken. 172 00:10:38,887 --> 00:10:44,675 Like, I think she's had thoughts of burning down the house. 173 00:10:44,676 --> 00:10:47,436 It's pretty bad. 174 00:11:15,785 --> 00:11:17,956 - Zach, how old are you? - 16. 175 00:11:17,957 --> 00:11:21,165 I was talking with mom she's telling me about the things that are going on in the 176 00:11:21,166 --> 00:11:23,810 house I wanted to talk to you to find out what you're experiencing. 177 00:11:23,811 --> 00:11:29,211 - If anything. - Well, I was scratched in the bedroom. 178 00:11:29,369 --> 00:11:30,887 What do you mean? You got scratches? 179 00:11:30,888 --> 00:11:35,833 I had the word "leave" scratched on my stomach. 180 00:11:35,834 --> 00:11:37,334 - Leave, huh? - Mm hmm. 181 00:11:37,335 --> 00:11:39,584 That sure as hell does say that, does it? 182 00:11:39,585 --> 00:11:41,606 Now, you didn't do this yourself, right? 183 00:11:41,607 --> 00:11:43,193 - No, no. - You telling me the truth? 184 00:11:43,194 --> 00:11:44,642 - Yes. - Okay. 185 00:11:44,643 --> 00:11:46,561 What other experiences are you having here? 186 00:11:46,562 --> 00:11:49,553 I woke up, and there was a guy sitting on the toy chest, 187 00:11:49,554 --> 00:11:52,039 and he said, I can be a real good friend for you. 188 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,151 Okay. Now, what did he look like? 189 00:11:54,152 --> 00:11:57,121 The first time he came, he looked like a normal human. 190 00:11:57,122 --> 00:11:58,791 He was an old guy. 191 00:11:58,792 --> 00:12:01,633 And the next night, he started getting a little... 192 00:12:01,634 --> 00:12:04,520 It looked like he was decomposing. 193 00:12:04,521 --> 00:12:09,066 The next night, he got real dark black, and he had no eyes. 194 00:12:09,067 --> 00:12:13,207 - And this was the same guy? - Yes. 195 00:12:15,278 --> 00:12:17,813 Allan: Things here have gotten pretty bad. 196 00:12:17,814 --> 00:12:23,714 I feel like it has made a consistent contact with somebody here. 197 00:12:27,765 --> 00:12:31,218 It's probably tricking someone. 198 00:12:31,219 --> 00:12:37,119 Which obviously means that it can do what scares you or bothers you. 199 00:12:38,471 --> 00:12:40,151 _. 200 00:12:40,938 --> 00:12:45,378 And it's like a babysitter or something. 201 00:12:46,584 --> 00:12:48,785 This entity is incredibly deceiving. 202 00:12:48,786 --> 00:12:54,686 It projects itself into anything it needs to get close to the people in this house. 203 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:56,832 [Sighs] 204 00:12:59,298 --> 00:13:02,178 It's a bad thing. 205 00:13:09,641 --> 00:13:11,718 - Mike, I talked to Kathy. - Okay. 206 00:13:11,719 --> 00:13:13,706 I spoke with Zach. You got a lot of problems here. 207 00:13:13,707 --> 00:13:14,567 Yeah. 208 00:13:14,568 --> 00:13:17,161 I want to hear from you what you're experiencing. 209 00:13:17,162 --> 00:13:19,291 One day I was out here working on the truck, 210 00:13:19,292 --> 00:13:22,279 and pretty soon, something hit me in the back. 211 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:28,180 I happened to look down to see what it was, and it was a piece of broken concrete. 212 00:13:28,426 --> 00:13:31,079 Okay, you got no concrete on the walls or the ceilings here. 213 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,845 - No. - Anything else? 214 00:13:32,846 --> 00:13:37,701 I had a one-inch wrench thrown at me, and it hit me right in the middle of the back. 215 00:13:37,702 --> 00:13:39,435 - Now, were you in here alone? - Yeah. 216 00:13:39,436 --> 00:13:42,105 - Do you keep the kids out of here? - The kids were all in bed. 217 00:13:42,106 --> 00:13:43,687 What's your biggest fear? 218 00:13:43,688 --> 00:13:47,622 Oh... my biggest fear is somebody's really gonna get hurt. 219 00:13:47,623 --> 00:13:48,645 Right. 220 00:13:48,646 --> 00:13:52,795 My plan was, you know, for us to get married and be happy, you know? 221 00:13:52,796 --> 00:13:56,809 And I wanted to start a good life and take care... 222 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:58,990 Take good care of the kids and everything, and... 223 00:13:58,991 --> 00:14:04,027 We come into here, and everything just went down. 224 00:14:04,028 --> 00:14:06,428 [Door opens] 225 00:14:09,596 --> 00:14:14,576 So, there's been a lot of chaos in this area. 226 00:14:15,974 --> 00:14:20,217 I think the thing is in here quite frequently. 227 00:14:20,218 --> 00:14:23,761 And, I mean, it is interesting because the thing doesn't like all this [Bleep]. 228 00:14:23,762 --> 00:14:29,419 Maybe because it doesn't look like it did when it came here or something. 229 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:33,389 It makes it angry, and it gets really, really physical... 230 00:14:33,390 --> 00:14:39,210 Moving things very harshly around, like it doesn't like it. 231 00:14:41,599 --> 00:14:44,520 I'm trying to figure out what this evil entity is, 232 00:14:44,521 --> 00:14:48,721 and suddenly it reveals itself to me. 233 00:14:49,549 --> 00:14:51,676 It's a Demon. 234 00:14:51,677 --> 00:14:56,398 And it creates this sick, twisted environment for... 235 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,559 Everyone. 236 00:15:05,264 --> 00:15:07,586 Di Schiavi: Okay, Mike, why'd you bring me in the bedroom? 237 00:15:07,587 --> 00:15:11,620 A lot of stuff going on in here that's just not normal. 238 00:15:11,621 --> 00:15:12,481 Like what? 239 00:15:12,482 --> 00:15:15,138 - Blankets being pulled off. - Okay. 240 00:15:15,139 --> 00:15:18,405 And I've been shook awake. 241 00:15:18,406 --> 00:15:21,140 Your wife had told me you had a lot of animals, could you be getting 242 00:15:21,141 --> 00:15:24,238 touched at night, or the blankets getting pulled, one of the animals? 243 00:15:24,239 --> 00:15:25,865 - No. - Why not? 244 00:15:25,866 --> 00:15:27,701 We have the door locked at night. 245 00:15:27,702 --> 00:15:30,075 I mean, it's got to be a little bit tough for your marriage. 246 00:15:30,076 --> 00:15:31,646 Yeah, it really is. 247 00:15:31,647 --> 00:15:34,240 We never fought like this until we got here. 248 00:15:34,241 --> 00:15:38,344 There's been a couple of times that she's actually threatened to just walk out. 249 00:15:38,345 --> 00:15:40,389 Has your personality changed since you got here? 250 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:42,213 - Yeah, very. - In what way? 251 00:15:42,214 --> 00:15:44,460 Real short fuse. 252 00:15:44,461 --> 00:15:49,477 And apparently, the guy that lived here, he had a very short fuse, too, you know? 253 00:15:49,478 --> 00:15:51,208 You mean the guy that lived here before you? 254 00:15:51,209 --> 00:15:52,071 Yeah. 255 00:15:52,072 --> 00:15:54,363 What kind of a guy was he, do you know anything about him? 256 00:15:54,364 --> 00:15:58,206 Um... all I know is what his kids have told me. 257 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:02,087 He liked to throw things, and he drank. 258 00:16:02,088 --> 00:16:05,337 Okay, so, you say he was. I mean, did he die, I assume? 259 00:16:05,338 --> 00:16:10,589 Yes, he died in the living room, and they found him three days later. 260 00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:15,722 And all the furniture stayed behind, so we got his bed... 261 00:16:15,723 --> 00:16:17,656 Both of his dressers. 262 00:16:17,657 --> 00:16:19,351 - Is this his mattress, as well? - Yes. 263 00:16:19,352 --> 00:16:22,087 So you're sleeping on this guy's mattress and using his furniture. 264 00:16:22,088 --> 00:16:23,789 Yes. 265 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:27,090 Well, that's interesting. 266 00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:33,760 I just see people fighting, and this man comes in from the closet. 267 00:16:33,790 --> 00:16:37,967 He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep]. 268 00:16:37,968 --> 00:16:42,468 And he, like, tries to sleep in the bed. 269 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:47,046 You feel, like, a poke, and it just stays here. 270 00:16:47,047 --> 00:16:51,349 Like, they feel him near them talking, but there's no words. 271 00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:53,452 Because it's all gurbley. 272 00:16:53,453 --> 00:16:55,756 It looks like intestines or brains are coming, 273 00:16:55,757 --> 00:16:58,270 like, out of their mouth or something. 274 00:16:58,271 --> 00:17:00,911 It's not good. 275 00:17:20,595 --> 00:17:23,059 It looks like intestines or brains are coming, 276 00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:26,217 like, out of their mouth or something. 277 00:17:26,218 --> 00:17:28,858 It's not good. 278 00:17:30,911 --> 00:17:32,078 [Sighs] 279 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:33,879 Mm. 280 00:17:34,908 --> 00:17:37,681 It's really hard, I can't... 281 00:17:37,682 --> 00:17:43,262 Communicate because their brains, literally, are scrambled. 282 00:17:44,752 --> 00:17:46,852 [Groans] 283 00:17:48,398 --> 00:17:52,058 They're not making any sense. 284 00:17:52,878 --> 00:17:55,409 I don't know if he's, like, severely mentally ill. 285 00:17:55,410 --> 00:17:57,983 I can't get the thought process out of him. 286 00:17:57,984 --> 00:18:00,024 [Sighs] 287 00:18:02,053 --> 00:18:05,100 Di Schiavi: Mike told me the previous owner died right in the house. 288 00:18:05,101 --> 00:18:07,204 So I reached out to one of his neighbors who knew him 289 00:18:07,205 --> 00:18:12,545 pretty well to see what he could tell me about him. 290 00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:21,314 Your neighbors across the street were telling me about the previous owner, 291 00:18:21,315 --> 00:18:22,496 and that you knew him? 292 00:18:22,497 --> 00:18:24,889 Yeah. I used to call him old Wild Bill. 293 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:27,355 I understand he died in the house. Is that right? 294 00:18:27,356 --> 00:18:31,117 Yeah, there was a... there was a woman there, she would cut the lawn, 295 00:18:31,118 --> 00:18:33,730 and she'd run errands for him, and she had a key to the house. 296 00:18:33,731 --> 00:18:37,748 She hadn't heard from him in like two or three days, and she opened up the... 297 00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:41,213 The door there and found he had passed away inside the house. 298 00:18:41,214 --> 00:18:43,804 Okay. Now, I was told... and I don't know how true it is... 299 00:18:43,805 --> 00:18:46,032 That he had a mean side to him. Is that true? 300 00:18:46,033 --> 00:18:49,912 Well, he could be. Yeah, if he did a little bit of drinking there, 301 00:18:49,913 --> 00:18:52,376 he could get about half mean and that, but uh... 302 00:18:52,377 --> 00:18:54,778 There was one time there the kids had a swing in there, 303 00:18:54,779 --> 00:18:56,380 and they're smoking cigarettes and that. 304 00:18:56,381 --> 00:18:59,769 He come out there just bellowing and that and chased them down the road. 305 00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:00,633 Okay. 306 00:19:00,634 --> 00:19:04,319 But after his wife passed away and that, I think he started drinking more. 307 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,207 And I think he got a little bit more cantankerous and that. 308 00:19:09,208 --> 00:19:12,503 So, let me ask you something. How did bill feel about his house itself? 309 00:19:12,504 --> 00:19:16,626 Well, they kept that place immaculate there, his yard looked like a golf course. 310 00:19:16,627 --> 00:19:19,246 Inside the house, everything was real nice. 311 00:19:19,247 --> 00:19:23,652 And very particular about the way everything was and that, I know if uh... 312 00:19:23,653 --> 00:19:26,568 Anybody was in there and they was messing with his tools, or anything, 313 00:19:26,569 --> 00:19:29,623 he'd probably roll right over in his grave, I believe that with all my heart. 314 00:19:29,624 --> 00:19:30,663 - You do? - Yeah. 315 00:19:30,664 --> 00:19:32,584 Okay. 316 00:19:39,642 --> 00:19:43,345 Anderson: Can you describe him at all? 317 00:19:43,346 --> 00:19:46,617 This person's white, male. 318 00:19:46,618 --> 00:19:50,081 I feel like his body is frail. 319 00:19:50,082 --> 00:19:53,344 He's, like, very shattered. 320 00:19:53,345 --> 00:19:56,305 It's very weird. I don't know. 321 00:19:56,306 --> 00:20:01,561 The guy could have been on drugs, and it's almost like it's a lost cause or something. 322 00:20:01,562 --> 00:20:06,842 This person is here most of the time in this room. 323 00:20:09,885 --> 00:20:13,296 Di Schiavi: Now that I know there was a death fairly recently in Kathy's house. 324 00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:18,379 I need to dig deeper into the property's history to see what else I can uncover. 325 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:22,344 Searching through the archives, I discover that a little girl named Loretta Eschenweck 326 00:20:22,345 --> 00:20:27,985 died from a tragic accident inside Kathy's home in 1936. 327 00:20:28,123 --> 00:20:33,127 But the death certificate doesn't explain how it happened. 328 00:20:33,128 --> 00:20:35,444 I've managed to track down the victim's nephew. 329 00:20:35,445 --> 00:20:40,065 And he says he can tell me what happened. 330 00:20:44,506 --> 00:20:47,912 I understand your grandparents actually lived in the house that I'm investigating. 331 00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:48,933 Yes, they did. 332 00:20:48,934 --> 00:20:51,381 Do you have any idea how long your family owned that house? 333 00:20:51,382 --> 00:20:54,322 Uh, from 1931 to 1974. 334 00:20:54,323 --> 00:20:56,897 Okay, there was a tragedy there where a little girl got killed. 335 00:20:56,898 --> 00:20:58,848 - Loretta. - What can you tell me about that? 336 00:20:58,849 --> 00:21:01,892 It was my Aunt. She was 4 years old. 337 00:21:01,893 --> 00:21:05,866 I have a picture here of Loretta and my Grandmother. 338 00:21:05,867 --> 00:21:10,091 She was playing when my Grandmother was doing the laundry, 339 00:21:10,092 --> 00:21:15,419 and then she fell into the hot water the laundry was in. 340 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,441 That poor kid. I mean, she must have suffered. 341 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:21,623 I think that she probably passed from either, you know, infection... 342 00:21:21,624 --> 00:21:25,602 Or something that related back to it. 343 00:21:25,603 --> 00:21:27,184 She was an only child. 344 00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:29,327 Right. She was the only child. And they were young, 345 00:21:29,328 --> 00:21:31,836 just starting out their family, and then the devastation. 346 00:21:31,837 --> 00:21:34,626 And then it took them quite a few years to get over it. 347 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:38,887 But the memory was never lost of her. 348 00:21:56,783 --> 00:21:59,799 Di Schiavi: I've traced the deed to this property as far back as it will go, 349 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,905 but the history goes back even further. 350 00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:06,800 I'm meeting with a local author who's written a lot about the Flint area, 351 00:22:06,801 --> 00:22:12,701 and he says Kathy's property used to be filled with tragedy and warfare. 352 00:22:19,934 --> 00:22:24,067 Turns out, the property I'm investigating used to be Native American land. 353 00:22:24,068 --> 00:22:25,859 Pretty horrific stuff went on there. 354 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:27,451 What can you tell me about it? 355 00:22:27,452 --> 00:22:31,365 Well, this was the land of the Saginaw Chippewa tribe. 356 00:22:31,366 --> 00:22:34,012 They were a very fierce, very warlike tribe. 357 00:22:34,013 --> 00:22:37,071 The United States government was terrified of these guys. 358 00:22:37,072 --> 00:22:41,489 Most of the Saginaw Chippewa warriors were very much aligned with the British. 359 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:47,378 Who were coming out of Canada to fight the Americans in the War of 1812. 360 00:22:47,379 --> 00:22:51,355 This is a picture of United States troops. 361 00:22:51,356 --> 00:22:54,204 Okay, so, what happened with them during the War of 1812? 362 00:22:54,205 --> 00:22:56,648 The Native Americans would take hostages. 363 00:22:56,649 --> 00:23:00,220 They would capture soldiers in battle, swoop down on a settlement, 364 00:23:00,221 --> 00:23:05,099 and literally ransom them back to white representatives for money. 365 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,276 So, let me ask you a question about the American soldiers. 366 00:23:08,277 --> 00:23:10,942 When they were POWs, what were they treated like? 367 00:23:10,943 --> 00:23:14,040 It would have been a very, very tough thing to be a prisoner. 368 00:23:14,041 --> 00:23:16,612 The winter season would have been very, very difficult. 369 00:23:16,613 --> 00:23:18,643 Food would have been at a premium. 370 00:23:18,644 --> 00:23:23,984 There are accounts of people being tortured to death. 371 00:23:28,525 --> 00:23:31,885 There's, like, a lot of dead men over there. 372 00:23:31,886 --> 00:23:35,101 And there's, like, at least ten white men. 373 00:23:35,102 --> 00:23:39,585 And they're all a mess, and it's very, very muddy. 374 00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:43,361 It's really weird, because they really don't have anything. 375 00:23:43,362 --> 00:23:46,294 Their clothes are just kind of tattered. 376 00:23:46,295 --> 00:23:50,435 They have long, gray, wool coats on. 377 00:23:52,583 --> 00:23:54,609 I think a lot of them are sick. 378 00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:57,787 They haven't had, like, proper meals in a long time. 379 00:23:57,788 --> 00:24:00,886 They're just, like, pretty miserable. 380 00:24:00,887 --> 00:24:05,387 I just think they're trying to get home. 381 00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:09,733 So, what happens to my client's property after the war's over? 382 00:24:09,734 --> 00:24:13,203 After the war ends, the Indians are left high and dry. 383 00:24:13,204 --> 00:24:16,305 Now the British are gone. They need money. 384 00:24:16,306 --> 00:24:18,065 And the only other way they had to get money 385 00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:20,508 is to sell land to The United States. 386 00:24:20,509 --> 00:24:23,661 And at that point, they're relying very heavily on a fur trader, 387 00:24:23,662 --> 00:24:27,951 who the Indians have known well now for about 10, 12 years, and that's this guy. 388 00:24:27,952 --> 00:24:28,872 And who's this? 389 00:24:28,873 --> 00:24:31,421 That's Jacob Smith. They think he's a friend. 390 00:24:31,422 --> 00:24:34,672 They literally turn to Smith for advice but the government is 391 00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:39,657 paying him to influence the Indians to sign a treaty in 1819. 392 00:24:39,658 --> 00:24:42,622 They do. What Smith also manages to do, 393 00:24:42,623 --> 00:24:48,422 is to secure land for his kids in a very, very questionable manner. 394 00:24:48,423 --> 00:24:54,323 And he does it by having Indian names for his kids written into the treaty language. 395 00:24:54,765 --> 00:24:58,501 The land you're investigating is Nondashemau. 396 00:24:58,502 --> 00:25:03,715 The Smith heirs claim that Maria Stockton, Jacob Smith's youngest daughter. 397 00:25:03,716 --> 00:25:06,816 That she is Nondashemau, that that's her Chippewa name, 398 00:25:06,817 --> 00:25:08,992 that her father's friends had given her. 399 00:25:08,993 --> 00:25:12,595 The property was written into the U.S. law for her. 400 00:25:12,596 --> 00:25:14,735 So it sounds like he basically tricked them. 401 00:25:14,736 --> 00:25:17,510 He did. He manipulated things to have, 402 00:25:17,511 --> 00:25:22,431 land granted to his white kids in that treaty. 403 00:25:29,046 --> 00:25:32,830 There were several entities that stood out during my walk. 404 00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:34,738 But what has me the most concerned, 405 00:25:34,739 --> 00:25:37,787 is the demonic Creature that's able to change shape. 406 00:25:37,788 --> 00:25:41,613 And what I saw was this young female... 407 00:25:41,614 --> 00:25:45,874 Light-brown hair, kind of pulled back. 408 00:25:46,402 --> 00:25:49,402 She's kneeling down. 409 00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:54,550 And there's a child sitting facing her. 410 00:25:55,605 --> 00:26:01,505 On the wall, I would like there to be the outline of just a shadow. 411 00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:07,668 Is this what you saw? 412 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,179 Yes. 413 00:26:35,278 --> 00:26:38,070 Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations. 414 00:26:38,071 --> 00:26:40,496 We're prepared to reveal our findings to our clients, 415 00:26:40,497 --> 00:26:43,366 and each other for the first time. 416 00:26:43,367 --> 00:26:46,612 Amy, I'd like you to meet Mike and Kathy. 417 00:26:46,613 --> 00:26:49,712 They live here with their five children. 418 00:26:49,713 --> 00:26:51,464 We've done a lot of investigations, 419 00:26:51,465 --> 00:26:54,096 but I've never heard the stuff that they're going through. 420 00:26:54,097 --> 00:26:59,840 They're actually afraid for their lives, and they feel like we're their last hope. 421 00:26:59,841 --> 00:27:05,741 That being said, I'm gonna ask Amy to tell us a little bit about her walk. 422 00:27:06,937 --> 00:27:12,775 Allan: So, I'm outside in the front yard, and I saw these 10 men. 423 00:27:12,776 --> 00:27:14,423 They were all white. 424 00:27:14,424 --> 00:27:19,178 All of them were wearing, like, torn and tattered long, gray coats. 425 00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:20,416 They didn't have food. 426 00:27:20,417 --> 00:27:24,687 I mean, they were a mess, and they were very ill. 427 00:27:24,688 --> 00:27:26,595 That's interesting. 428 00:27:26,596 --> 00:27:29,633 During the War of 1812, the land that your property sits on, 429 00:27:29,634 --> 00:27:33,328 used to belong to the Chippewa Saginaw Indian tribes. 430 00:27:33,329 --> 00:27:37,405 During the war, they had sided with the British, and they'd go out on raids. 431 00:27:37,406 --> 00:27:41,836 And they would kidnap American soldiers and civilians. 432 00:27:41,837 --> 00:27:44,373 The historian I had spoke to said that these guys lived 433 00:27:44,374 --> 00:27:47,050 under the worst conditions when they were hostages. 434 00:27:47,051 --> 00:27:48,440 Oh. 435 00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,246 Now, when you mentioned gray coats... 436 00:27:50,247 --> 00:27:52,506 Take a look at that. 437 00:27:52,507 --> 00:27:56,064 You see the uniform colors on the American soldiers? 438 00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:58,225 Oh, wow. 439 00:27:58,462 --> 00:28:01,830 Now, there's an interesting character in this whole thing. 440 00:28:01,831 --> 00:28:05,478 A guy by the name of Jacob Smith... 441 00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:08,737 Who used to be a fur trader with the Indians. 442 00:28:08,738 --> 00:28:13,712 Now, they trusted Smith, so he convinced the Native Americans to sign a treaty. 443 00:28:13,713 --> 00:28:18,301 With The United States government for the land, but he tricked them. 444 00:28:18,302 --> 00:28:21,678 Your property, he took from the Indians. 445 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,352 He did this by giving his kids Indian names, 446 00:28:24,353 --> 00:28:28,281 listing them as owners of sections of land in the treaty. 447 00:28:28,282 --> 00:28:32,121 Take a look. This is where your house is. 448 00:28:32,122 --> 00:28:35,720 He gave the property the name Nondashemau. 449 00:28:35,721 --> 00:28:38,919 The Chippewa Indians, they thought it was their land. 450 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,847 It actually was there for his daughter. 451 00:28:40,848 --> 00:28:42,365 Wow. 452 00:28:42,366 --> 00:28:44,996 As far as I'm concerned, he really screwed the Indians. 453 00:28:44,997 --> 00:28:46,917 Whoa. 454 00:28:50,345 --> 00:28:52,751 When I came into the house... 455 00:28:52,752 --> 00:28:57,492 I saw an individual jump out of the closet. 456 00:28:57,578 --> 00:29:00,816 And this was in the Master Bedroom. 457 00:29:00,817 --> 00:29:02,677 God. 458 00:29:02,961 --> 00:29:08,361 He laughed, and then he said, I've got you, [Bleep]. 459 00:29:08,676 --> 00:29:11,961 He tries to climb into the bed and sleep. 460 00:29:11,962 --> 00:29:13,096 Oh. 461 00:29:13,097 --> 00:29:15,789 He was ripping covers off the bed. 462 00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:18,010 [Sniffles] 463 00:29:18,437 --> 00:29:20,460 You okay? 464 00:29:20,461 --> 00:29:21,849 [Sighs] 465 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:24,303 That happens. 466 00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:28,144 Several times, I've felt the blankets being pulled off... 467 00:29:28,145 --> 00:29:31,085 And being grabbed... 468 00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:33,839 Sexually. 469 00:29:34,236 --> 00:29:36,456 [Sniffles] 470 00:29:36,884 --> 00:29:38,885 You've been shook, too, right? 471 00:29:38,886 --> 00:29:42,000 Yeah, it felt like somebody just... 472 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:45,235 Grabbed a hold like this on my shoulder. 473 00:29:45,236 --> 00:29:48,060 And shook me right awake. 474 00:29:48,061 --> 00:29:49,921 Wow. 475 00:29:50,384 --> 00:29:53,386 What I did get was that he was white. 476 00:29:53,387 --> 00:29:57,614 And that he was on some kind of substance, maybe drugs. 477 00:29:57,615 --> 00:30:02,235 And his body was very frail when he died. 478 00:30:02,889 --> 00:30:04,856 That's interesting you say that. 479 00:30:04,857 --> 00:30:09,303 The man that lived in your house before you guys bought it was this guy named Bill. 480 00:30:09,304 --> 00:30:11,926 I talked to your neighbor about him, who he was close with. 481 00:30:11,927 --> 00:30:14,956 Said he was cantankerous and half mean. 482 00:30:14,957 --> 00:30:17,070 Back in the '90s, his wife passed away, 483 00:30:17,071 --> 00:30:20,493 and from that time, he took a downward spiral, started drinking heavily. 484 00:30:20,494 --> 00:30:22,629 Eventually, he wound up in a wheelchair. 485 00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:25,990 He did die in the house. 486 00:30:26,767 --> 00:30:30,667 I got his death certificate here. 487 00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:35,629 He died of basically pneumonia and respiratory failure. 488 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:40,507 He was found after like three days in the house. 489 00:30:40,508 --> 00:30:44,235 Some of that information you had. 490 00:30:44,236 --> 00:30:47,657 The odd part is, when they bought the house, they bought... 491 00:30:47,658 --> 00:30:49,623 - Most of the furniture with it. - Oh. 492 00:30:49,624 --> 00:30:51,891 And they're actually sleeping on Bill's mattress. 493 00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,126 Yes. 494 00:30:53,127 --> 00:30:55,262 - So... - Oh, wow. 495 00:30:55,263 --> 00:30:57,664 I mean, I don't know if this is the guy you saw, but... 496 00:30:57,665 --> 00:30:59,466 It's very possible. 497 00:30:59,467 --> 00:31:03,470 Would them keeping his furniture make things worse? 498 00:31:03,471 --> 00:31:07,585 Yeah, that's probably not a good thing. 499 00:31:07,586 --> 00:31:10,118 Beds hold a lot of... 500 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,693 Residual energy. 501 00:31:12,694 --> 00:31:17,374 I'm not gonna be settled until it's gone. 502 00:31:18,612 --> 00:31:20,887 So, what else is going on with this walk? 503 00:31:20,888 --> 00:31:24,546 I felt like some of the living in the house... 504 00:31:24,547 --> 00:31:27,260 Are trying to communicate with the dead. 505 00:31:27,261 --> 00:31:31,444 I wasn't upset by this, and usually I get really pissed. 506 00:31:31,445 --> 00:31:35,498 But I really felt like these people were honestly 507 00:31:35,499 --> 00:31:38,771 just trying to figure out what's going on. 508 00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:41,231 Tell her about how you've been trying to communicate. 509 00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:46,359 A paranormal team came in, and they've done EVPs and pictures, but... 510 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,664 It's unsuccessful so far. 511 00:31:49,665 --> 00:31:52,402 They've even done an exorcism on me thinking that, 512 00:31:52,403 --> 00:31:56,423 maybe something was attached to me. 513 00:31:56,513 --> 00:32:00,197 It's very, very rare that an individual... 514 00:32:00,198 --> 00:32:02,521 Is uh, possessed. 515 00:32:02,522 --> 00:32:05,849 - So it could have made it worse? - Oh, yeah. 516 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:11,310 When they're not done properly, all hell breaks loose. 517 00:32:15,173 --> 00:32:18,427 The other thing that I got was uh... 518 00:32:18,428 --> 00:32:23,542 About a living person at the location, and this person is a female. 519 00:32:23,543 --> 00:32:27,179 I felt like she was the caretaker, always taking care of everyone. 520 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,642 But nothing she does is working, 521 00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:33,893 and she feels like everything, including her life, is falling apart. 522 00:32:33,894 --> 00:32:37,263 She hasn't been sleeping... exhaustion, beat up. 523 00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:39,844 She's a mess. 524 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,080 And she has had thoughts of possibly burning down the house. 525 00:32:46,374 --> 00:32:50,064 And feels very guilty because... 526 00:32:50,065 --> 00:32:52,848 She wants to leave... 527 00:32:52,849 --> 00:32:55,548 But she knows she can't. 528 00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:57,769 [Sniffles] 529 00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:07,387 It's a constant struggle, daily. 530 00:33:07,388 --> 00:33:11,048 Trying to keep the kids safe. 531 00:33:11,443 --> 00:33:13,992 I haven't slept in years. 532 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:17,904 Watching your family get harmed by something that you can't control... 533 00:33:17,905 --> 00:33:23,389 It makes you feel like you're not a good parent, you're not anything. 534 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:28,231 And the house burning... that's all I wish about. 535 00:33:28,232 --> 00:33:31,292 Every time I leave... 536 00:33:31,357 --> 00:33:33,833 I just pray that it burns down. 537 00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:38,762 Yeah, I'll lose everything, but I'll gain my sanity. 538 00:33:38,763 --> 00:33:41,792 Never thought it was gonna get this bad, you know? 539 00:33:41,793 --> 00:33:47,693 Somebody in this house is gonna get either hurt or get killed. 540 00:33:49,125 --> 00:33:51,345 [Sniffles] 541 00:33:52,821 --> 00:33:54,321 Di Schiavi: What else you see? 542 00:33:54,322 --> 00:33:57,270 So, there's one entity... 543 00:33:57,271 --> 00:34:01,428 That's actually interacting with the family, and it's extremely powerful. 544 00:34:01,429 --> 00:34:07,329 And pretty much all of the problems is generated by this thing. 545 00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:12,200 And most people would see it as a dark mass. 546 00:34:15,301 --> 00:34:20,101 It's something that you would not mess with. 547 00:34:20,114 --> 00:34:23,714 Its main area is the garage. 548 00:34:24,485 --> 00:34:27,995 And I saw it aggressively moving objects. 549 00:34:27,996 --> 00:34:30,028 It's very physical. 550 00:34:30,029 --> 00:34:32,400 Why don't you tell Amy about what happens in there? 551 00:34:32,401 --> 00:34:38,044 I had a piece of concrete thrown at me and hit me right in the back. 552 00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:42,185 And a one-inch wrench thrown at me. 553 00:34:42,871 --> 00:34:44,765 Di Schiavi: I want to show you something. 554 00:34:44,766 --> 00:34:49,928 I had interviewed Zach, one of Kathy's boys, and he showed me these pictures. 555 00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:55,829 Now, I don't know if you can see what's scratched into his chest. 556 00:34:56,484 --> 00:34:58,535 It spells "leave". 557 00:34:58,536 --> 00:34:59,781 Oh, yeah. 558 00:34:59,782 --> 00:35:02,790 And he swore to me he didn't do it to himself. 559 00:35:02,791 --> 00:35:04,651 Wow. 560 00:35:05,651 --> 00:35:07,576 Could this thing do that? 561 00:35:07,577 --> 00:35:11,309 You know, I wouldn't discount that as being a possibility. 562 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:14,098 Because it is an advanced entity, 563 00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:19,979 so it can go into your mind and it can project your fears. 564 00:35:20,976 --> 00:35:23,997 It knows what scares you. 565 00:35:23,998 --> 00:35:29,349 When I first encountered it, it was like a huge spider. 566 00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:33,941 I saw this headless man come into the room one night. 567 00:35:33,942 --> 00:35:36,894 And it told me to get out. 568 00:35:36,895 --> 00:35:39,235 Interesting. 569 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,845 Well, I had the sketch artist sketch, 570 00:35:43,846 --> 00:35:49,746 what I felt was the most disturbing scene that I came across. 571 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,580 Take a look at that. 572 00:35:59,813 --> 00:36:02,258 Who's the kid? 573 00:36:02,259 --> 00:36:03,435 [Sighs] 574 00:36:03,436 --> 00:36:05,296 God. 575 00:36:08,823 --> 00:36:10,803 Mikey. 576 00:36:26,817 --> 00:36:32,717 I had the sketch artist sketch the most disturbing scene that I came across. 577 00:36:39,125 --> 00:36:42,185 Take a look at that. 578 00:36:43,016 --> 00:36:44,714 Who's the kid? 579 00:36:44,715 --> 00:36:45,898 [Sighs] 580 00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,759 God. 581 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:51,447 Mikey. 582 00:36:56,875 --> 00:36:59,214 - He's the youngest, by the way. - Okay. 583 00:36:59,215 --> 00:37:02,447 - And he's, what, 5? - 5. 584 00:37:02,448 --> 00:37:06,768 She's the one I called the babysitter. 585 00:37:06,817 --> 00:37:10,597 And you see who she really is. 586 00:37:12,258 --> 00:37:15,978 She has this child entranced... 587 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,154 And feeling safe, but it's not a real girl. 588 00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:24,915 It's the entity. 589 00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:29,852 He's constantly playing with somebody, 590 00:37:29,853 --> 00:37:32,277 and he'll wake up in the middle of the night, he's laughing. 591 00:37:32,278 --> 00:37:34,440 I mean, hysterically laughing. 592 00:37:34,441 --> 00:37:39,120 I knew it was a small child that was being manipulated. 593 00:37:39,121 --> 00:37:41,331 By this thing. 594 00:37:41,332 --> 00:37:46,972 If it's able to do these things, what's the next step? 595 00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:53,417 Di Schiavi: What is it? 596 00:37:53,418 --> 00:37:57,851 I mean, is it a human? Is it not a human? 597 00:37:57,852 --> 00:37:59,584 It took me a while to figure out, 598 00:37:59,585 --> 00:38:04,513 but there was someone at some point on that property who... 599 00:38:04,514 --> 00:38:07,514 Was into dark magic. 600 00:38:10,131 --> 00:38:12,931 And wanted revenge. 601 00:38:12,932 --> 00:38:17,797 This individual conjured up this entity, this demon thing. 602 00:38:17,798 --> 00:38:19,748 [Sniffles] 603 00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:23,209 - It's a Demon, then? - Yeah. 604 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:27,290 That is what I would call a Demon. 605 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,421 It might have been kind of... 606 00:38:31,422 --> 00:38:34,080 Activated again by... 607 00:38:34,081 --> 00:38:37,501 Some of the investigations. 608 00:38:38,304 --> 00:38:43,964 It's definitely attaching and interacting with the family now. 609 00:38:43,965 --> 00:38:48,982 It sought out living people to begin gaining more power. 610 00:38:48,983 --> 00:38:53,303 It's making people fight in the house. 611 00:38:53,582 --> 00:38:57,201 And when I say fight, I mean fight. 612 00:38:57,202 --> 00:39:01,485 Like, I'm talking screaming, physical fighting, yelling. 613 00:39:01,486 --> 00:39:06,819 And what it wants is for all of you to turn against each other. 614 00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:12,417 I call it kind of like a bloodbath, because your blood boils. You just want... 615 00:39:12,418 --> 00:39:14,578 Oh, God. 616 00:39:14,816 --> 00:39:17,583 You want to hurt the person. 617 00:39:17,584 --> 00:39:20,829 And it's just over the stupidest things. 618 00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:26,650 But once you go off the property, you can feel the relief. 619 00:39:30,348 --> 00:39:34,324 Di Schiavi: Well, Kathy and Mike, this has been a pretty tough night for you guys. 620 00:39:34,325 --> 00:39:37,460 But now at least you know what the hell has been tormenting your family. 621 00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:40,624 The big question is, can you stay in this house safely? 622 00:39:40,625 --> 00:39:46,445 I can't answer that, so I'm gonna turn that over to Amy. 623 00:39:49,741 --> 00:39:53,149 I believe the best thing you could do for, 624 00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:57,830 yourselves and your children is to relocate. 625 00:40:00,219 --> 00:40:04,010 It's not too often that this is the advice Amy gives, 626 00:40:04,011 --> 00:40:08,393 but for her to give it, it must mean you got a serious problem. 627 00:40:08,394 --> 00:40:10,854 I'm leaving. 628 00:40:13,012 --> 00:40:16,647 Gonna just turn my back on the property and go away. I'm sorry. 629 00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:19,604 You know, I got to protect my family. 630 00:40:19,605 --> 00:40:24,816 Um... if they do decide to stay and can't afford to move, what can they do? 631 00:40:24,817 --> 00:40:29,647 It's a lot of things that would need to be done simultaneously. 632 00:40:29,648 --> 00:40:33,728 There is definitely PTSD here, okay? 633 00:40:34,389 --> 00:40:38,499 And that's something that needs to be addressed through counseling. 634 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:42,602 So you need to go and see someone who is a psychologist, 635 00:40:42,603 --> 00:40:46,631 or a psychiatrist who is specially trained in PTSD. 636 00:40:46,632 --> 00:40:49,076 The other thing that's going on while that's happening, 637 00:40:49,077 --> 00:40:54,678 is that a Catholic priest must do an exorcism of the property. 638 00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:00,578 And must counsel the dead man, and then remove him from the location, as well. 639 00:41:00,579 --> 00:41:04,411 - Would that get rid of the demon? - Yes. 640 00:41:04,412 --> 00:41:08,350 Why is it easier for them to just move than to try to save the house and do that? 641 00:41:08,351 --> 00:41:13,092 In this situation, you have a family that is in dire straits. 642 00:41:13,093 --> 00:41:13,824 Mm hmm. 643 00:41:13,825 --> 00:41:18,396 You have individuals at the location who are extremely open. 644 00:41:18,397 --> 00:41:21,457 This is an emergency. 645 00:41:21,647 --> 00:41:26,034 And I don't think that you, at this time... 646 00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:30,713 Need to be burdened with all of that, too. 647 00:41:30,714 --> 00:41:33,754 I'd feel much better by getting out of there. 648 00:41:33,755 --> 00:41:36,553 I mean, I'm not gonna ruin what we have... 649 00:41:36,554 --> 00:41:39,817 And our family for just a house. 650 00:41:39,818 --> 00:41:41,828 It's tough, but it's a relief. 651 00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:46,658 I know what steps I have to take to see the happiness again. 652 00:41:46,659 --> 00:41:51,822 I've seen so much sadness and hate and blackness for so long. 653 00:41:51,823 --> 00:41:55,603 I want to see the light again. 654 00:41:55,891 --> 00:41:58,088 Allan: I wish I had better news for Kathy and Mike, 655 00:41:58,089 --> 00:42:00,447 but this demon has become so powerful... 656 00:42:00,448 --> 00:42:03,146 That the only way to ensure their family remains safe, 657 00:42:03,147 --> 00:42:07,452 is to get as far away from this property as possible. 658 00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:13,353 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. 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