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This thing wants to make someone here go nuts.

Whatever's happening here is destroying us.

Oh, boy.

He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep].

That's got to scare the hell out of you, I would think.

He'll say, get out. It's my house. Leave.

It's not something you want to [Bleep] with.

You telling me the truth?

It made a believer out of me.

It's this sick, twisted environment.

They're being watched.

My name is Amy Allan.

This thing likes death.

I see dead people.

This thing's, like, a monster.

I speak to dead people.

And he's pissed off now.

And they speak to me.

His head was cracked.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

This guy was murdered.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective.

I cannot help you unless I know the whole story.

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

You saw her?

It's my job to reveal them.

Why would you stay here?

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

Until the very end.

[Echoing] Stop it.

We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Woman: I want to know the truth. I want to know what's happening.

Or time to get out.

[Crying] I told you there were ghosts in this house.

Di Schiavi: When Amy and I take on a case, our paths never cross until the very end.

I interview living witnesses and uncover secrets behind the property's past.

While Amy communicates with the dead.

When we're done, we meet up and reveal our findings to our clients and each other.

I'm in Flint, Michigan, one of the most violent cities in all of America.

I'm heading over to meet with a family who's being tormented by

the type of violence that would never show up on the FBI stats.

Kathy, the mom, says her family of seven are scared for their lives.

And she thinks Amy and I are their last hope.

Anderson: Before Amy arrives,

I need to remove anything that could influence her findings.

It's clear from all these photographs that a large family lives here.

So I need to carefully conceal any evidence of this.

Only then will the location be ready for tonight's walk.

[Owl hooting]

Allan: I'm hearing growls.

[Growling]

It's, like, not an animal. It's not human.

It's very, very dark.

This was brought here on purpose.

Yeah, there's pretty bad [Bleep] here.

Di Schiavi: Kathy, you sounded really upset on the phone.

Things are pretty bad here, it sounds like.

Yes.

We're seeing apparitions. We're getting attacked.

- And who do you live here with? - My husband and five kids.

Five years, we've been here.

There's people being scratched, clawed, things thrown at.

And it hits the kids extremely hard.

[Sniffles]

- You okay? - Yeah. Just... it's a hard subject.

I imagine it would be.

I feel like I'm a bad mother.

I mean, I didn't bring them into the world,

to have something I cannot see pick on them.

How can I defend that?

Have you ever done anything to try to stop it?

We've had investigators come in.

We've done cleansing of the house. We've done sea salt around the yard.

Okay.

But we've done everything unsuccessfully.

And they've even tried an exorcism on me.

- Oh, boy. - And nothing's helping.

Okay.

Allan: Whether it's people now or people that were here before,

you know, somebody was definitely into some...

Dark stuff.

What do you mean?

They're into the paranormal but...

It seems like they're uneducated about it.

Like, taking pictures and video, like they're really...

Trying to figure it out.

Oh, boy.

Di Schiavi: Okay, so, what's going on in here?

We see black masses, and, I mean, there's a lot of black masses in here.

So, what shapes and sizes are we talking about?

Well, some of them come in human forms.

A lot of the times, it's a headless man.

He'll say, get out. It's mine. My house. Leave.

But some of them are just widespread.

I mean, it's like they spread across the wall.

And it's no reflection from outside or anything like that?

No. No.

Well, that's got to scare the hell out of you, I would think.

Yes, it does.

[Door opens]

So, there is something that runs.

It went right through the wall, as if this wall's not here.

- Was this the thing that was growling? - Yes.

It's not something you want to [Bleep] with.

I'm still not sure what this thing is.

But I get the feeling that it's out to harm the people living in this house.

I think that some people have seen it, like, a blackness.

But it could come to them completely different.

It definitely morphs.

I just saw it, like, turn into a big spider thing.

Very, very not good.

Kathy: We're all close-knit, very close-knit,

but when we're here, we're at each other's throats.

We're all fighting, and, I mean, this is not us.

How were the kids before they came here?

They were happy. I mean, everybody was normal.

- So their personalities took a change? - Yes.

My one son, he got mad and punched a hole in the wall.

That's not like him.

Wow.

But as long as we're off this property, we're back to normal.

We can sort through what just happened.

So, how long once you're off the property do you start feeling better?

Just step off the property.

- That's it? - Yes.

Whatever's happening here is destroying us.

I'm hearing a lot of fighting...

Like, constant.

Um, screaming and yelling.

So I'm thinking that's a direct effect of this thing.

I do see it, like, under the beds...

Like, slithering like a little spider going under the beds.

I think that it wants to make someone here or many, several go... [clicks tongue]

Nuts.

So, Kathy, why would you bring me out here?

There was a time that I went out here to talk to my husband.

He was out in the garage. And in the middle of talking to him, I felt a hand...

Reach around my throat, and I couldn't breathe.

I couldn't talk, couldn't nothing.

When I come running out of the garage, I wound up vomiting out here,

but I felt the release of the hand that was around my throat.

Wow.

That's probably the most physical interaction I've heard about.

I haven't even told you the worst of it.

One night, laying in bed, I was grabbed...

You know, I mean, sexually grabbed.

It woke me up out of sleep, and, of course, I check on my one son, Mikey.

And I looked over, and his leg...

Somebody had his leg and was pulling him off the bed.

I mean, he was literally going from his pillow,

down his bed and about to fall onto the floor.

What were they gonna do to him?

What's the next step from this?

How do you live like that?

It's not living. You're just going day-by-day.

It may sound strange, but when you're off the property, you just pray for a fire.

It'll be the relief.

I think it'll be the sigh, you know, that you can actually breathe a little bit.

I see this woman who...

Is just...

[Gags]

Like, caught in this.

She just sees everything in her life...

Falling apart... like, not sleeping, not really eating right.

And she's kind of the one who takes care of everybody.

Anderson: Okay.

And she's tough, but...

You know, she's broken now. She's just broken.

Like, I think she's had thoughts of burning down the house.

It's pretty bad.

- Zach, how old are you? - 16.

I was talking with mom she's telling me about the things that are going on in the

house I wanted to talk to you to find out what you're experiencing.

- If anything. - Well, I was scratched in the bedroom.

What do you mean? You got scratches?

I had the word "leave" scratched on my stomach.

- Leave, huh? - Mm hmm.

That sure as hell does say that, does it?

Now, you didn't do this yourself, right?

- No, no. - You telling me the truth?

- Yes. - Okay.

What other experiences are you having here?

I woke up, and there was a guy sitting on the toy chest,

and he said, I can be a real good friend for you.

Okay. Now, what did he look like?

The first time he came, he looked like a normal human.

He was an old guy.

And the next night, he started getting a little...

It looked like he was decomposing.

The next night, he got real dark black, and he had no eyes.

- And this was the same guy? - Yes.

Allan: Things here have gotten pretty bad.

I feel like it has made a consistent contact with somebody here.

It's probably tricking someone.

Which obviously means that it can do what scares you or bothers you.

_.

And it's like a babysitter or something.

This entity is incredibly deceiving.

It projects itself into anything it needs to get close to the people in this house.

[Sighs]

It's a bad thing.

- Mike, I talked to Kathy. - Okay.

I spoke with Zach. You got a lot of problems here.

Yeah.

I want to hear from you what you're experiencing.

One day I was out here working on the truck,

and pretty soon, something hit me in the back.

I happened to look down to see what it was, and it was a piece of broken concrete.

Okay, you got no concrete on the walls or the ceilings here.

- No. - Anything else?

I had a one-inch wrench thrown at me, and it hit me right in the middle of the back.

- Now, were you in here alone? - Yeah.

- Do you keep the kids out of here? - The kids were all in bed.

What's your biggest fear?

Oh... my biggest fear is somebody's really gonna get hurt.

Right.

My plan was, you know, for us to get married and be happy, you know?

And I wanted to start a good life and take care...

Take good care of the kids and everything, and...

We come into here, and everything just went down.

[Door opens]

So, there's been a lot of chaos in this area.

I think the thing is in here quite frequently.

And, I mean, it is interesting because the thing doesn't like all this [Bleep].

Maybe because it doesn't look like it did when it came here or something.

It makes it angry, and it gets really, really physical...

Moving things very harshly around, like it doesn't like it.

I'm trying to figure out what this evil entity is,

and suddenly it reveals itself to me.

It's a Demon.

And it creates this sick, twisted environment for...

Everyone.

Di Schiavi: Okay, Mike, why'd you bring me in the bedroom?

A lot of stuff going on in here that's just not normal.

Like what?

- Blankets being pulled off. - Okay.

And I've been shook awake.

Your wife had told me you had a lot of animals, could you be getting

touched at night, or the blankets getting pulled, one of the animals?

- No. - Why not?

We have the door locked at night.

I mean, it's got to be a little bit tough for your marriage.

Yeah, it really is.

We never fought like this until we got here.

There's been a couple of times that she's actually threatened to just walk out.

Has your personality changed since you got here?

- Yeah, very. - In what way?

Real short fuse.

And apparently, the guy that lived here, he had a very short fuse, too, you know?

You mean the guy that lived here before you?

Yeah.

What kind of a guy was he, do you know anything about him?

Um... all I know is what his kids have told me.

He liked to throw things, and he drank.

Okay, so, you say he was. I mean, did he die, I assume?

Yes, he died in the living room, and they found him three days later.

And all the furniture stayed behind, so we got his bed...

Both of his dressers.

- Is this his mattress, as well? - Yes.

So you're sleeping on this guy's mattress and using his furniture.

Yes.

Well, that's interesting.

I just see people fighting, and this man comes in from the closet.

He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep].

And he, like, tries to sleep in the bed.

You feel, like, a poke, and it just stays here.

Like, they feel him near them talking, but there's no words.

Because it's all gurbley.

It looks like intestines or brains are coming,

like, out of their mouth or something.

It's not good.

It looks like intestines or brains are coming,

like, out of their mouth or something.

It's not good.

[Sighs]

Mm.

It's really hard, I can't...

Communicate because their brains, literally, are scrambled.

[Groans]

They're not making any sense.

I don't know if he's, like, severely mentally ill.

I can't get the thought process out of him.

[Sighs]

Di Schiavi: Mike told me the previous owner died right in the house.

So I reached out to one of his neighbors who knew him

pretty well to see what he could tell me about him.

Your neighbors across the street were telling me about the previous owner,

and that you knew him?

Yeah. I used to call him old Wild Bill.

I understand he died in the house. Is that right?

Yeah, there was a... there was a woman there, she would cut the lawn,

and she'd run errands for him, and she had a key to the house.

She hadn't heard from him in like two or three days, and she opened up the...

The door there and found he had passed away inside the house.

Okay. Now, I was told... and I don't know how true it is...

That he had a mean side to him. Is that true?

Well, he could be. Yeah, if he did a little bit of drinking there,

he could get about half mean and that, but uh...

There was one time there the kids had a swing in there,

and they're smoking cigarettes and that.

He come out there just bellowing and that and chased them down the road.

Okay.

But after his wife passed away and that, I think he started drinking more.

And I think he got a little bit more cantankerous and that.

So, let me ask you something. How did bill feel about his house itself?

Well, they kept that place immaculate there, his yard looked like a golf course.

Inside the house, everything was real nice.

And very particular about the way everything was and that, I know if uh...

Anybody was in there and they was messing with his tools, or anything,

he'd probably roll right over in his grave, I believe that with all my heart.

- You do? - Yeah.

Okay.

Anderson: Can you describe him at all?

This person's white, male.

I feel like his body is frail.

He's, like, very shattered.

It's very weird. I don't know.

The guy could have been on drugs, and it's almost like it's a lost cause or something.

This person is here most of the time in this room.

Di Schiavi: Now that I know there was a death fairly recently in Kathy's house.

I need to dig deeper into the property's history to see what else I can uncover.

Searching through the archives, I discover that a little girl named Loretta Eschenweck

died from a tragic accident inside Kathy's home in 1936.

But the death certificate doesn't explain how it happened.

I've managed to track down the victim's nephew.

And he says he can tell me what happened.

I understand your grandparents actually lived in the house that I'm investigating.

Yes, they did.

Do you have any idea how long your family owned that house?

Uh, from 1931 to 1974.

Okay, there was a tragedy there where a little girl got killed.

- Loretta. - What can you tell me about that?

It was my Aunt. She was 4 years old.

I have a picture here of Loretta and my Grandmother.

She was playing when my Grandmother was doing the laundry,

and then she fell into the hot water the laundry was in.

That poor kid. I mean, she must have suffered.

I think that she probably passed from either, you know, infection...

Or something that related back to it.

She was an only child.

Right. She was the only child. And they were young,

just starting out their family, and then the devastation.

And then it took them quite a few years to get over it.

But the memory was never lost of her.

Di Schiavi: I've traced the deed to this property as far back as it will go,

but the history goes back even further.

I'm meeting with a local author who's written a lot about the Flint area,

and he says Kathy's property used to be filled with tragedy and warfare.

Turns out, the property I'm investigating used to be Native American land.

Pretty horrific stuff went on there.

What can you tell me about it?

Well, this was the land of the Saginaw Chippewa tribe.

They were a very fierce, very warlike tribe.

The United States government was terrified of these guys.

Most of the Saginaw Chippewa warriors were very much aligned with the British.

Who were coming out of Canada to fight the Americans in the War of 1812.

This is a picture of United States troops.

Okay, so, what happened with them during the War of 1812?

The Native Americans would take hostages.

They would capture soldiers in battle, swoop down on a settlement,

and literally ransom them back to white representatives for money.

So, let me ask you a question about the American soldiers.

When they were POWs, what were they treated like?

It would have been a very, very tough thing to be a prisoner.

The winter season would have been very, very difficult.

Food would have been at a premium.

There are accounts of people being tortured to death.

There's, like, a lot of dead men over there.

And there's, like, at least ten white men.

And they're all a mess, and it's very, very muddy.

It's really weird, because they really don't have anything.

Their clothes are just kind of tattered.

They have long, gray, wool coats on.

I think a lot of them are sick.

They haven't had, like, proper meals in a long time.

They're just, like, pretty miserable.

I just think they're trying to get home.

So, what happens to my client's property after the war's over?

After the war ends, the Indians are left high and dry.

Now the British are gone. They need money.

And the only other way they had to get money

is to sell land to The United States.

And at that point, they're relying very heavily on a fur trader,

who the Indians have known well now for about 10, 12 years, and that's this guy.

And who's this?

That's Jacob Smith. They think he's a friend.

They literally turn to Smith for advice but the government is

paying him to influence the Indians to sign a treaty in 1819.

They do. What Smith also manages to do,

is to secure land for his kids in a very, very questionable manner.

And he does it by having Indian names for his kids written into the treaty language.

The land you're investigating is Nondashemau.

The Smith heirs claim that Maria Stockton, Jacob Smith's youngest daughter.

That she is Nondashemau, that that's her Chippewa name,

that her father's friends had given her.

The property was written into the U.S. law for her.

So it sounds like he basically tricked them.

He did. He manipulated things to have,

land granted to his white kids in that treaty.

There were several entities that stood out during my walk.

But what has me the most concerned,

is the demonic Creature that's able to change shape.

And what I saw was this young female...

Light-brown hair, kind of pulled back.

She's kneeling down.

And there's a child sitting facing her.

On the wall, I would like there to be the outline of just a shadow.

Is this what you saw?

Yes.

Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations.

We're prepared to reveal our findings to our clients,

and each other for the first time.

Amy, I'd like you to meet Mike and Kathy.

They live here with their five children.

We've done a lot of investigations,

but I've never heard the stuff that they're going through.

They're actually afraid for their lives, and they feel like we're their last hope.

That being said, I'm gonna ask Amy to tell us a little bit about her walk.

Allan: So, I'm outside in the front yard, and I saw these 10 men.

They were all white.

All of them were wearing, like, torn and tattered long, gray coats.

They didn't have food.

I mean, they were a mess, and they were very ill.

That's interesting.

During the War of 1812, the land that your property sits on,

used to belong to the Chippewa Saginaw Indian tribes.

During the war, they had sided with the British, and they'd go out on raids.

And they would kidnap American soldiers and civilians.

The historian I had spoke to said that these guys lived

under the worst conditions when they were hostages.

Oh.

Now, when you mentioned gray coats...

Take a look at that.

You see the uniform colors on the American soldiers?

Oh, wow.

Now, there's an interesting character in this whole thing.

A guy by the name of Jacob Smith...

Who used to be a fur trader with the Indians.

Now, they trusted Smith, so he convinced the Native Americans to sign a treaty.

With The United States government for the land, but he tricked them.

Your property, he took from the Indians.

He did this by giving his kids Indian names,

listing them as owners of sections of land in the treaty.

Take a look. This is where your house is.

He gave the property the name Nondashemau.

The Chippewa Indians, they thought it was their land.

It actually was there for his daughter.

Wow.

As far as I'm concerned, he really screwed the Indians.

Whoa.

When I came into the house...

I saw an individual jump out of the closet.

And this was in the Master Bedroom.

God.

He laughed, and then he said, I've got you, [Bleep].

He tries to climb into the bed and sleep.

Oh.

He was ripping covers off the bed.

[Sniffles]

You okay?

[Sighs]

That happens.

Several times, I've felt the blankets being pulled off...

And being grabbed...

Sexually.

[Sniffles]

You've been shook, too, right?

Yeah, it felt like somebody just...

Grabbed a hold like this on my shoulder.

And shook me right awake.

Wow.

What I did get was that he was white.

And that he was on some kind of substance, maybe drugs.

And his body was very frail when he died.

That's interesting you say that.

The man that lived in your house before you guys bought it was this guy named Bill.

I talked to your neighbor about him, who he was close with.

Said he was cantankerous and half mean.

Back in the '90s, his wife passed away,

and from that time, he took a downward spiral, started drinking heavily.

Eventually, he wound up in a wheelchair.

He did die in the house.

I got his death certificate here.

He died of basically pneumonia and respiratory failure.

He was found after like three days in the house.

Some of that information you had.

The odd part is, when they bought the house, they bought...

- Most of the furniture with it. - Oh.

And they're actually sleeping on Bill's mattress.

Yes.

- So... - Oh, wow.

I mean, I don't know if this is the guy you saw, but...

It's very possible.

Would them keeping his furniture make things worse?

Yeah, that's probably not a good thing.

Beds hold a lot of...

Residual energy.

I'm not gonna be settled until it's gone.

So, what else is going on with this walk?

I felt like some of the living in the house...

Are trying to communicate with the dead.

I wasn't upset by this, and usually I get really pissed.

But I really felt like these people were honestly

just trying to figure out what's going on.

Tell her about how you've been trying to communicate.

A paranormal team came in, and they've done EVPs and pictures, but...

It's unsuccessful so far.

They've even done an exorcism on me thinking that,

maybe something was attached to me.

It's very, very rare that an individual...

Is uh, possessed.

- So it could have made it worse? - Oh, yeah.

When they're not done properly, all hell breaks loose.

The other thing that I got was uh...

About a living person at the location, and this person is a female.

I felt like she was the caretaker, always taking care of everyone.

But nothing she does is working,

and she feels like everything, including her life, is falling apart.

She hasn't been sleeping... exhaustion, beat up.

She's a mess.

And she has had thoughts of possibly burning down the house.

And feels very guilty because...

She wants to leave...

But she knows she can't.

[Sniffles]

It's a constant struggle, daily.

Trying to keep the kids safe.

I haven't slept in years.

Watching your family get harmed by something that you can't control...

It makes you feel like you're not a good parent, you're not anything.

And the house burning... that's all I wish about.

Every time I leave...

I just pray that it burns down.

Yeah, I'll lose everything, but I'll gain my sanity.

Never thought it was gonna get this bad, you know?

Somebody in this house is gonna get either hurt or get killed.

[Sniffles]

Di Schiavi: What else you see?

So, there's one entity...

That's actually interacting with the family, and it's extremely powerful.

And pretty much all of the problems is generated by this thing.

And most people would see it as a dark mass.

It's something that you would not mess with.

Its main area is the garage.

And I saw it aggressively moving objects.

It's very physical.

Why don't you tell Amy about what happens in there?

I had a piece of concrete thrown at me and hit me right in the back.

And a one-inch wrench thrown at me.

Di Schiavi: I want to show you something.

I had interviewed Zach, one of Kathy's boys, and he showed me these pictures.

Now, I don't know if you can see what's scratched into his chest.

It spells "leave".

Oh, yeah.

And he swore to me he didn't do it to himself.

Wow.

Could this thing do that?

You know, I wouldn't discount that as being a possibility.

Because it is an advanced entity,

so it can go into your mind and it can project your fears.

It knows what scares you.

When I first encountered it, it was like a huge spider.

I saw this headless man come into the room one night.

And it told me to get out.

Interesting.

Well, I had the sketch artist sketch,

what I felt was the most disturbing scene that I came across.

Take a look at that.

Who's the kid?

[Sighs]

God.

Mikey.

I had the sketch artist sketch the most disturbing scene that I came across.

Take a look at that.

Who's the kid?

[Sighs]

God.

Mikey.

- He's the youngest, by the way. - Okay.

- And he's, what, 5? - 5.

She's the one I called the babysitter.

And you see who she really is.

She has this child entranced...

And feeling safe, but it's not a real girl.

It's the entity.

He's constantly playing with somebody,

and he'll wake up in the middle of the night, he's laughing.

I mean, hysterically laughing.

I knew it was a small child that was being manipulated.

By this thing.

If it's able to do these things, what's the next step?

Di Schiavi: What is it?

I mean, is it a human? Is it not a human?

It took me a while to figure out,

but there was someone at some point on that property who...

Was into dark magic.

And wanted revenge.

This individual conjured up this entity, this demon thing.

[Sniffles]

- It's a Demon, then? - Yeah.

That is what I would call a Demon.

It might have been kind of...

Activated again by...

Some of the investigations.

It's definitely attaching and interacting with the family now.

It sought out living people to begin gaining more power.

It's making people fight in the house.

And when I say fight, I mean fight.

Like, I'm talking screaming, physical fighting, yelling.

And what it wants is for all of you to turn against each other.

I call it kind of like a bloodbath, because your blood boils. You just want...

Oh, God.

You want to hurt the person.

And it's just over the stupidest things.

But once you go off the property, you can feel the relief.

Di Schiavi: Well, Kathy and Mike, this has been a pretty tough night for you guys.

But now at least you know what the hell has been tormenting your family.

The big question is, can you stay in this house safely?

I can't answer that, so I'm gonna turn that over to Amy.

I believe the best thing you could do for,

yourselves and your children is to relocate.

It's not too often that this is the advice Amy gives,

but for her to give it, it must mean you got a serious problem.

I'm leaving.

Gonna just turn my back on the property and go away. I'm sorry.

You know, I got to protect my family.

Um... if they do decide to stay and can't afford to move, what can they do?

It's a lot of things that would need to be done simultaneously.

There is definitely PTSD here, okay?

And that's something that needs to be addressed through counseling.

So you need to go and see someone who is a psychologist,

or a psychiatrist who is specially trained in PTSD.

The other thing that's going on while that's happening,

is that a Catholic priest must do an exorcism of the property.

And must counsel the dead man, and then remove him from the location, as well.

- Would that get rid of the demon? - Yes.

Why is it easier for them to just move than to try to save the house and do that?

In this situation, you have a family that is in dire straits.

Mm hmm.

You have individuals at the location who are extremely open.

This is an emergency.

And I don't think that you, at this time...

Need to be burdened with all of that, too.

I'd feel much better by getting out of there.

I mean, I'm not gonna ruin what we have...

And our family for just a house.

It's tough, but it's a relief.

I know what steps I have to take to see the happiness again.

I've seen so much sadness and hate and blackness for so long.

I want to see the light again.

Allan: I wish I had better news for Kathy and Mike,

but this demon has become so powerful...

That the only way to ensure their family remains safe,

is to get as far away from this property as possible.

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