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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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This thing wants to make
someone here go nuts.
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Whatever's happening
here is destroying us.
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Oh, boy.
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He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep].
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That's got to scare the hell
out of you, I would think.
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He'll say, get out.
It's my house. Leave.
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It's not something you
want to [Bleep] with.
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You telling me the truth?
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It made a believer out of me.
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It's this sick, twisted environment.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[Echoing] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Woman: I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[Crying] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: When Amy and I take on a case,
our paths never cross until the very end.
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I interview living witnesses and uncover
secrets behind the property's past.
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While Amy communicates with the dead.
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When we're done, we meet up and reveal
our findings to our clients and each other.
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I'm in Flint, Michigan, one of the
most violent cities in all of America.
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I'm heading over to meet with a
family who's being tormented by
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the type of violence that would
never show up on the FBI stats.
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Kathy, the mom, says her family of
seven are scared for their lives.
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And she thinks Amy and
I are their last hope.
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Anderson: Before Amy arrives,
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I need to remove anything that
could influence her findings.
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It's clear from all these photographs
that a large family lives here.
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So I need to carefully
conceal any evidence of this.
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Only then will the location
be ready for tonight's walk.
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[Owl hooting]
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Allan: I'm hearing growls.
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[Growling]
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It's, like, not an
animal. It's not human.
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It's very, very dark.
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This was brought here on purpose.
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Yeah, there's pretty bad [Bleep] here.
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Di Schiavi: Kathy, you sounded
really upset on the phone.
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Things are pretty bad
here, it sounds like.
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Yes.
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We're seeing apparitions.
We're getting attacked.
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- And who do you live here with?
- My husband and five kids.
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Five years, we've been here.
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There's people being scratched,
clawed, things thrown at.
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And it hits the kids extremely hard.
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[Sniffles]
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- You okay?
- Yeah. Just... it's a hard subject.
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I imagine it would be.
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I feel like I'm a bad mother.
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I mean, I didn't bring
them into the world,
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to have something I
cannot see pick on them.
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How can I defend that?
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Have you ever done
anything to try to stop it?
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We've had investigators come in.
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We've done cleansing of the house.
We've done sea salt around the yard.
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Okay.
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But we've done
everything unsuccessfully.
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And they've even tried
an exorcism on me.
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- Oh, boy.
- And nothing's helping.
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Okay.
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Allan: Whether it's people now
or people that were here before,
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you know, somebody was
definitely into some...
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Dark stuff.
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What do you mean?
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They're into the paranormal but...
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It seems like they're
uneducated about it.
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Like, taking pictures and
video, like they're really...
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Trying to figure it out.
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Oh, boy.
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Di Schiavi: Okay, so,
what's going on in here?
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We see black masses, and, I mean,
there's a lot of black masses in here.
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So, what shapes and sizes
are we talking about?
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Well, some of them come in human forms.
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A lot of the times, it's a headless man.
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He'll say, get out. It's
mine. My house. Leave.
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But some of them are just widespread.
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I mean, it's like they
spread across the wall.
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And it's no reflection from
outside or anything like that?
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No. No.
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Well, that's got to scare the
hell out of you, I would think.
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Yes, it does.
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[Door opens]
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So, there is something that runs.
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It went right through the wall,
as if this wall's not here.
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- Was this the thing that was growling?
- Yes.
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It's not something you
want to [Bleep] with.
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I'm still not sure what this thing is.
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But I get the feeling that it's out to
harm the people living in this house.
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I think that some people have
seen it, like, a blackness.
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But it could come to
them completely different.
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It definitely morphs.
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I just saw it, like, turn
into a big spider thing.
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Very, very not good.
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Kathy: We're all
close-knit, very close-knit,
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but when we're here, we're
at each other's throats.
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We're all fighting, and,
I mean, this is not us.
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How were the kids before they came here?
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They were happy. I mean,
everybody was normal.
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- So their personalities took a change?
- Yes.
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My one son, he got mad and
punched a hole in the wall.
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That's not like him.
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Wow.
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But as long as we're off this
property, we're back to normal.
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We can sort through what just happened.
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So, how long once you're off the
property do you start feeling better?
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Just step off the property.
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- That's it?
- Yes.
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Whatever's happening
here is destroying us.
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I'm hearing a lot of fighting...
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Like, constant.
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Um, screaming and yelling.
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So I'm thinking that's a
direct effect of this thing.
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I do see it, like, under the beds...
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Like, slithering like a little
spider going under the beds.
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I think that it wants to make someone
here or many, several go... [clicks tongue]
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Nuts.
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So, Kathy, why would
you bring me out here?
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There was a time that I went
out here to talk to my husband.
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He was out in the garage. And in the
middle of talking to him, I felt a hand...
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Reach around my throat,
and I couldn't breathe.
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I couldn't talk, couldn't nothing.
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When I come running out of the
garage, I wound up vomiting out here,
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but I felt the release of the
hand that was around my throat.
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Wow.
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That's probably the most physical
interaction I've heard about.
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I haven't even told you the worst of it.
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One night, laying in
bed, I was grabbed...
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You know, I mean, sexually grabbed.
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It woke me up out of sleep, and, of
course, I check on my one son, Mikey.
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And I looked over, and his leg...
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Somebody had his leg and
was pulling him off the bed.
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I mean, he was literally
going from his pillow,
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down his bed and about
to fall onto the floor.
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What were they gonna do to him?
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What's the next step from this?
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How do you live like that?
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It's not living. You're
just going day-by-day.
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It may sound strange, but when you're off
the property, you just pray for a fire.
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It'll be the relief.
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I think it'll be the sigh, you know, that
you can actually breathe a little bit.
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I see this woman who...
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Is just...
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[Gags]
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Like, caught in this.
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She just sees everything in her life...
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Falling apart... like, not
sleeping, not really eating right.
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And she's kind of the one
who takes care of everybody.
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Anderson: Okay.
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And she's tough, but...
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You know, she's broken
now. She's just broken.
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Like, I think she's had thoughts
of burning down the house.
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It's pretty bad.
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- Zach, how old are you?
- 16.
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I was talking with mom she's telling me
about the things that are going on in the
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house I wanted to talk to you to
find out what you're experiencing.
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- If anything.
- Well, I was scratched in the bedroom.
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What do you mean? You got scratches?
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I had the word "leave"
scratched on my stomach.
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- Leave, huh?
- Mm hmm.
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That sure as hell
does say that, does it?
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Now, you didn't do this yourself, right?
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- No, no.
- You telling me the truth?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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What other experiences
are you having here?
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I woke up, and there was a
guy sitting on the toy chest,
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and he said, I can be a
real good friend for you.
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Okay. Now, what did he look like?
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The first time he came, he
looked like a normal human.
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He was an old guy.
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And the next night, he
started getting a little...
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It looked like he was decomposing.
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The next night, he got real
dark black, and he had no eyes.
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- And this was the same guy?
- Yes.
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Allan: Things here
have gotten pretty bad.
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I feel like it has made a consistent
contact with somebody here.
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It's probably tricking someone.
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Which obviously means that it can
do what scares you or bothers you.
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_.
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And it's like a babysitter or something.
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This entity is incredibly deceiving.
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It projects itself into anything it needs
to get close to the people in this house.
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[Sighs]
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It's a bad thing.
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- Mike, I talked to Kathy.
- Okay.
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I spoke with Zach. You
got a lot of problems here.
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Yeah.
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I want to hear from you
what you're experiencing.
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One day I was out here
working on the truck,
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and pretty soon, something
hit me in the back.
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I happened to look down to see what it
was, and it was a piece of broken concrete.
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Okay, you got no concrete on
the walls or the ceilings here.
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- No.
- Anything else?
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I had a one-inch wrench thrown at me, and
it hit me right in the middle of the back.
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- Now, were you in here alone?
- Yeah.
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- Do you keep the kids out of here?
- The kids were all in bed.
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What's your biggest fear?
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Oh... my biggest fear is
somebody's really gonna get hurt.
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Right.
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My plan was, you know, for us to
get married and be happy, you know?
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And I wanted to start a
good life and take care...
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Take good care of the
kids and everything, and...
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We come into here, and
everything just went down.
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[Door opens]
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So, there's been a lot
of chaos in this area.
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I think the thing is in
here quite frequently.
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And, I mean, it is interesting because
the thing doesn't like all this [Bleep].
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Maybe because it doesn't look like
it did when it came here or something.
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It makes it angry, and it
gets really, really physical...
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Moving things very harshly
around, like it doesn't like it.
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I'm trying to figure out
what this evil entity is,
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and suddenly it reveals itself to me.
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It's a Demon.
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And it creates this sick,
twisted environment for...
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Everyone.
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Di Schiavi: Okay, Mike, why'd
you bring me in the bedroom?
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A lot of stuff going on in
here that's just not normal.
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Like what?
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- Blankets being pulled off.
- Okay.
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And I've been shook awake.
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Your wife had told me you had a
lot of animals, could you be getting
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touched at night, or the blankets
getting pulled, one of the animals?
243
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- No.
- Why not?
244
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We have the door locked at night.
245
00:15:27,702 --> 00:15:30,075
I mean, it's got to be a little
bit tough for your marriage.
246
00:15:30,076 --> 00:15:31,646
Yeah, it really is.
247
00:15:31,647 --> 00:15:34,240
We never fought like
this until we got here.
248
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There's been a couple of times that she's
actually threatened to just walk out.
249
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Has your personality
changed since you got here?
250
00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:42,213
- Yeah, very.
- In what way?
251
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Real short fuse.
252
00:15:44,461 --> 00:15:49,477
And apparently, the guy that lived here,
he had a very short fuse, too, you know?
253
00:15:49,478 --> 00:15:51,208
You mean the guy that
lived here before you?
254
00:15:51,209 --> 00:15:52,071
Yeah.
255
00:15:52,072 --> 00:15:54,363
What kind of a guy was he, do
you know anything about him?
256
00:15:54,364 --> 00:15:58,206
Um... all I know is what
his kids have told me.
257
00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:02,087
He liked to throw things, and he drank.
258
00:16:02,088 --> 00:16:05,337
Okay, so, you say he was. I
mean, did he die, I assume?
259
00:16:05,338 --> 00:16:10,589
Yes, he died in the living room,
and they found him three days later.
260
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And all the furniture stayed
behind, so we got his bed...
261
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Both of his dressers.
262
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- Is this his mattress, as well?
- Yes.
263
00:16:19,352 --> 00:16:22,087
So you're sleeping on this guy's
mattress and using his furniture.
264
00:16:22,088 --> 00:16:23,789
Yes.
265
00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:27,090
Well, that's interesting.
266
00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:33,760
I just see people fighting, and
this man comes in from the closet.
267
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He says, ha ha. I've got you, [Bleep].
268
00:16:37,968 --> 00:16:42,468
And he, like, tries to sleep in the bed.
269
00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:47,046
You feel, like, a poke,
and it just stays here.
270
00:16:47,047 --> 00:16:51,349
Like, they feel him near them
talking, but there's no words.
271
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:53,452
Because it's all gurbley.
272
00:16:53,453 --> 00:16:55,756
It looks like intestines
or brains are coming,
273
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like, out of their mouth or something.
274
00:16:58,271 --> 00:17:00,911
It's not good.
275
00:17:20,595 --> 00:17:23,059
It looks like intestines
or brains are coming,
276
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like, out of their mouth or something.
277
00:17:26,218 --> 00:17:28,858
It's not good.
278
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[Sighs]
279
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Mm.
280
00:17:34,908 --> 00:17:37,681
It's really hard, I can't...
281
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Communicate because their
brains, literally, are scrambled.
282
00:17:44,752 --> 00:17:46,852
[Groans]
283
00:17:48,398 --> 00:17:52,058
They're not making any sense.
284
00:17:52,878 --> 00:17:55,409
I don't know if he's,
like, severely mentally ill.
285
00:17:55,410 --> 00:17:57,983
I can't get the thought
process out of him.
286
00:17:57,984 --> 00:18:00,024
[Sighs]
287
00:18:02,053 --> 00:18:05,100
Di Schiavi: Mike told me the previous
owner died right in the house.
288
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So I reached out to one of
his neighbors who knew him
289
00:18:07,205 --> 00:18:12,545
pretty well to see what
he could tell me about him.
290
00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:21,314
Your neighbors across the street were
telling me about the previous owner,
291
00:18:21,315 --> 00:18:22,496
and that you knew him?
292
00:18:22,497 --> 00:18:24,889
Yeah. I used to call him old Wild Bill.
293
00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:27,355
I understand he died in
the house. Is that right?
294
00:18:27,356 --> 00:18:31,117
Yeah, there was a... there was a
woman there, she would cut the lawn,
295
00:18:31,118 --> 00:18:33,730
and she'd run errands for him,
and she had a key to the house.
296
00:18:33,731 --> 00:18:37,748
She hadn't heard from him in like two
or three days, and she opened up the...
297
00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:41,213
The door there and found he had
passed away inside the house.
298
00:18:41,214 --> 00:18:43,804
Okay. Now, I was told... and
I don't know how true it is...
299
00:18:43,805 --> 00:18:46,032
That he had a mean side
to him. Is that true?
300
00:18:46,033 --> 00:18:49,912
Well, he could be. Yeah, if he
did a little bit of drinking there,
301
00:18:49,913 --> 00:18:52,376
he could get about half
mean and that, but uh...
302
00:18:52,377 --> 00:18:54,778
There was one time there the
kids had a swing in there,
303
00:18:54,779 --> 00:18:56,380
and they're smoking cigarettes and that.
304
00:18:56,381 --> 00:18:59,769
He come out there just bellowing and
that and chased them down the road.
305
00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:00,633
Okay.
306
00:19:00,634 --> 00:19:04,319
But after his wife passed away and
that, I think he started drinking more.
307
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,207
And I think he got a little
bit more cantankerous and that.
308
00:19:09,208 --> 00:19:12,503
So, let me ask you something. How
did bill feel about his house itself?
309
00:19:12,504 --> 00:19:16,626
Well, they kept that place immaculate
there, his yard looked like a golf course.
310
00:19:16,627 --> 00:19:19,246
Inside the house,
everything was real nice.
311
00:19:19,247 --> 00:19:23,652
And very particular about the way
everything was and that, I know if uh...
312
00:19:23,653 --> 00:19:26,568
Anybody was in there and they was
messing with his tools, or anything,
313
00:19:26,569 --> 00:19:29,623
he'd probably roll right over in his
grave, I believe that with all my heart.
314
00:19:29,624 --> 00:19:30,663
- You do?
- Yeah.
315
00:19:30,664 --> 00:19:32,584
Okay.
316
00:19:39,642 --> 00:19:43,345
Anderson: Can you describe him at all?
317
00:19:43,346 --> 00:19:46,617
This person's white, male.
318
00:19:46,618 --> 00:19:50,081
I feel like his body is frail.
319
00:19:50,082 --> 00:19:53,344
He's, like, very shattered.
320
00:19:53,345 --> 00:19:56,305
It's very weird. I don't know.
321
00:19:56,306 --> 00:20:01,561
The guy could have been on drugs, and it's
almost like it's a lost cause or something.
322
00:20:01,562 --> 00:20:06,842
This person is here most
of the time in this room.
323
00:20:09,885 --> 00:20:13,296
Di Schiavi: Now that I know there was a
death fairly recently in Kathy's house.
324
00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:18,379
I need to dig deeper into the property's
history to see what else I can uncover.
325
00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:22,344
Searching through the archives, I discover
that a little girl named Loretta Eschenweck
326
00:20:22,345 --> 00:20:27,985
died from a tragic accident
inside Kathy's home in 1936.
327
00:20:28,123 --> 00:20:33,127
But the death certificate
doesn't explain how it happened.
328
00:20:33,128 --> 00:20:35,444
I've managed to track
down the victim's nephew.
329
00:20:35,445 --> 00:20:40,065
And he says he can
tell me what happened.
330
00:20:44,506 --> 00:20:47,912
I understand your grandparents actually
lived in the house that I'm investigating.
331
00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:48,933
Yes, they did.
332
00:20:48,934 --> 00:20:51,381
Do you have any idea how long
your family owned that house?
333
00:20:51,382 --> 00:20:54,322
Uh, from 1931 to 1974.
334
00:20:54,323 --> 00:20:56,897
Okay, there was a tragedy there
where a little girl got killed.
335
00:20:56,898 --> 00:20:58,848
- Loretta.
- What can you tell me about that?
336
00:20:58,849 --> 00:21:01,892
It was my Aunt. She was 4 years old.
337
00:21:01,893 --> 00:21:05,866
I have a picture here of
Loretta and my Grandmother.
338
00:21:05,867 --> 00:21:10,091
She was playing when my
Grandmother was doing the laundry,
339
00:21:10,092 --> 00:21:15,419
and then she fell into the
hot water the laundry was in.
340
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,441
That poor kid. I mean,
she must have suffered.
341
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:21,623
I think that she probably passed
from either, you know, infection...
342
00:21:21,624 --> 00:21:25,602
Or something that related back to it.
343
00:21:25,603 --> 00:21:27,184
She was an only child.
344
00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:29,327
Right. She was the only
child. And they were young,
345
00:21:29,328 --> 00:21:31,836
just starting out their family,
and then the devastation.
346
00:21:31,837 --> 00:21:34,626
And then it took them quite
a few years to get over it.
347
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:38,887
But the memory was never lost of her.
348
00:21:56,783 --> 00:21:59,799
Di Schiavi: I've traced the deed to
this property as far back as it will go,
349
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,905
but the history goes back even further.
350
00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:06,800
I'm meeting with a local author who's
written a lot about the Flint area,
351
00:22:06,801 --> 00:22:12,701
and he says Kathy's property used to
be filled with tragedy and warfare.
352
00:22:19,934 --> 00:22:24,067
Turns out, the property I'm investigating
used to be Native American land.
353
00:22:24,068 --> 00:22:25,859
Pretty horrific stuff went on there.
354
00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:27,451
What can you tell me about it?
355
00:22:27,452 --> 00:22:31,365
Well, this was the land of
the Saginaw Chippewa tribe.
356
00:22:31,366 --> 00:22:34,012
They were a very fierce,
very warlike tribe.
357
00:22:34,013 --> 00:22:37,071
The United States government
was terrified of these guys.
358
00:22:37,072 --> 00:22:41,489
Most of the Saginaw Chippewa warriors
were very much aligned with the British.
359
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:47,378
Who were coming out of Canada to
fight the Americans in the War of 1812.
360
00:22:47,379 --> 00:22:51,355
This is a picture of
United States troops.
361
00:22:51,356 --> 00:22:54,204
Okay, so, what happened with
them during the War of 1812?
362
00:22:54,205 --> 00:22:56,648
The Native Americans
would take hostages.
363
00:22:56,649 --> 00:23:00,220
They would capture soldiers in
battle, swoop down on a settlement,
364
00:23:00,221 --> 00:23:05,099
and literally ransom them back to
white representatives for money.
365
00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,276
So, let me ask you a question
about the American soldiers.
366
00:23:08,277 --> 00:23:10,942
When they were POWs, what
were they treated like?
367
00:23:10,943 --> 00:23:14,040
It would have been a very, very
tough thing to be a prisoner.
368
00:23:14,041 --> 00:23:16,612
The winter season would have
been very, very difficult.
369
00:23:16,613 --> 00:23:18,643
Food would have been at a premium.
370
00:23:18,644 --> 00:23:23,984
There are accounts of people
being tortured to death.
371
00:23:28,525 --> 00:23:31,885
There's, like, a lot
of dead men over there.
372
00:23:31,886 --> 00:23:35,101
And there's, like, at
least ten white men.
373
00:23:35,102 --> 00:23:39,585
And they're all a mess,
and it's very, very muddy.
374
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:43,361
It's really weird, because
they really don't have anything.
375
00:23:43,362 --> 00:23:46,294
Their clothes are just kind of tattered.
376
00:23:46,295 --> 00:23:50,435
They have long, gray, wool coats on.
377
00:23:52,583 --> 00:23:54,609
I think a lot of them are sick.
378
00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:57,787
They haven't had, like,
proper meals in a long time.
379
00:23:57,788 --> 00:24:00,886
They're just, like, pretty miserable.
380
00:24:00,887 --> 00:24:05,387
I just think they're trying to get home.
381
00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:09,733
So, what happens to my client's
property after the war's over?
382
00:24:09,734 --> 00:24:13,203
After the war ends, the
Indians are left high and dry.
383
00:24:13,204 --> 00:24:16,305
Now the British are
gone. They need money.
384
00:24:16,306 --> 00:24:18,065
And the only other way
they had to get money
385
00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:20,508
is to sell land to The United States.
386
00:24:20,509 --> 00:24:23,661
And at that point, they're relying
very heavily on a fur trader,
387
00:24:23,662 --> 00:24:27,951
who the Indians have known well now for
about 10, 12 years, and that's this guy.
388
00:24:27,952 --> 00:24:28,872
And who's this?
389
00:24:28,873 --> 00:24:31,421
That's Jacob Smith.
They think he's a friend.
390
00:24:31,422 --> 00:24:34,672
They literally turn to Smith
for advice but the government is
391
00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:39,657
paying him to influence the
Indians to sign a treaty in 1819.
392
00:24:39,658 --> 00:24:42,622
They do. What Smith also manages to do,
393
00:24:42,623 --> 00:24:48,422
is to secure land for his kids in
a very, very questionable manner.
394
00:24:48,423 --> 00:24:54,323
And he does it by having Indian names for
his kids written into the treaty language.
395
00:24:54,765 --> 00:24:58,501
The land you're
investigating is Nondashemau.
396
00:24:58,502 --> 00:25:03,715
The Smith heirs claim that Maria
Stockton, Jacob Smith's youngest daughter.
397
00:25:03,716 --> 00:25:06,816
That she is Nondashemau,
that that's her Chippewa name,
398
00:25:06,817 --> 00:25:08,992
that her father's friends had given her.
399
00:25:08,993 --> 00:25:12,595
The property was written
into the U.S. law for her.
400
00:25:12,596 --> 00:25:14,735
So it sounds like he
basically tricked them.
401
00:25:14,736 --> 00:25:17,510
He did. He manipulated things to have,
402
00:25:17,511 --> 00:25:22,431
land granted to his
white kids in that treaty.
403
00:25:29,046 --> 00:25:32,830
There were several entities
that stood out during my walk.
404
00:25:32,831 --> 00:25:34,738
But what has me the most concerned,
405
00:25:34,739 --> 00:25:37,787
is the demonic Creature
that's able to change shape.
406
00:25:37,788 --> 00:25:41,613
And what I saw was this young female...
407
00:25:41,614 --> 00:25:45,874
Light-brown hair, kind of pulled back.
408
00:25:46,402 --> 00:25:49,402
She's kneeling down.
409
00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:54,550
And there's a child sitting facing her.
410
00:25:55,605 --> 00:26:01,505
On the wall, I would like there
to be the outline of just a shadow.
411
00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:07,668
Is this what you saw?
412
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,179
Yes.
413
00:26:35,278 --> 00:26:38,070
Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I
have completed our investigations.
414
00:26:38,071 --> 00:26:40,496
We're prepared to reveal
our findings to our clients,
415
00:26:40,497 --> 00:26:43,366
and each other for the first time.
416
00:26:43,367 --> 00:26:46,612
Amy, I'd like you to
meet Mike and Kathy.
417
00:26:46,613 --> 00:26:49,712
They live here with their five children.
418
00:26:49,713 --> 00:26:51,464
We've done a lot of investigations,
419
00:26:51,465 --> 00:26:54,096
but I've never heard the stuff
that they're going through.
420
00:26:54,097 --> 00:26:59,840
They're actually afraid for their lives,
and they feel like we're their last hope.
421
00:26:59,841 --> 00:27:05,741
That being said, I'm gonna ask Amy to
tell us a little bit about her walk.
422
00:27:06,937 --> 00:27:12,775
Allan: So, I'm outside in the
front yard, and I saw these 10 men.
423
00:27:12,776 --> 00:27:14,423
They were all white.
424
00:27:14,424 --> 00:27:19,178
All of them were wearing, like,
torn and tattered long, gray coats.
425
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:20,416
They didn't have food.
426
00:27:20,417 --> 00:27:24,687
I mean, they were a mess,
and they were very ill.
427
00:27:24,688 --> 00:27:26,595
That's interesting.
428
00:27:26,596 --> 00:27:29,633
During the War of 1812, the
land that your property sits on,
429
00:27:29,634 --> 00:27:33,328
used to belong to the
Chippewa Saginaw Indian tribes.
430
00:27:33,329 --> 00:27:37,405
During the war, they had sided with
the British, and they'd go out on raids.
431
00:27:37,406 --> 00:27:41,836
And they would kidnap American
soldiers and civilians.
432
00:27:41,837 --> 00:27:44,373
The historian I had spoke
to said that these guys lived
433
00:27:44,374 --> 00:27:47,050
under the worst conditions
when they were hostages.
434
00:27:47,051 --> 00:27:48,440
Oh.
435
00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,246
Now, when you mentioned gray coats...
436
00:27:50,247 --> 00:27:52,506
Take a look at that.
437
00:27:52,507 --> 00:27:56,064
You see the uniform colors
on the American soldiers?
438
00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:58,225
Oh, wow.
439
00:27:58,462 --> 00:28:01,830
Now, there's an interesting
character in this whole thing.
440
00:28:01,831 --> 00:28:05,478
A guy by the name of Jacob Smith...
441
00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:08,737
Who used to be a fur
trader with the Indians.
442
00:28:08,738 --> 00:28:13,712
Now, they trusted Smith, so he convinced
the Native Americans to sign a treaty.
443
00:28:13,713 --> 00:28:18,301
With The United States government
for the land, but he tricked them.
444
00:28:18,302 --> 00:28:21,678
Your property, he took from the Indians.
445
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,352
He did this by giving
his kids Indian names,
446
00:28:24,353 --> 00:28:28,281
listing them as owners of
sections of land in the treaty.
447
00:28:28,282 --> 00:28:32,121
Take a look. This is
where your house is.
448
00:28:32,122 --> 00:28:35,720
He gave the property
the name Nondashemau.
449
00:28:35,721 --> 00:28:38,919
The Chippewa Indians, they
thought it was their land.
450
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,847
It actually was there for his daughter.
451
00:28:40,848 --> 00:28:42,365
Wow.
452
00:28:42,366 --> 00:28:44,996
As far as I'm concerned, he
really screwed the Indians.
453
00:28:44,997 --> 00:28:46,917
Whoa.
454
00:28:50,345 --> 00:28:52,751
When I came into the house...
455
00:28:52,752 --> 00:28:57,492
I saw an individual
jump out of the closet.
456
00:28:57,578 --> 00:29:00,816
And this was in the Master Bedroom.
457
00:29:00,817 --> 00:29:02,677
God.
458
00:29:02,961 --> 00:29:08,361
He laughed, and then he
said, I've got you, [Bleep].
459
00:29:08,676 --> 00:29:11,961
He tries to climb
into the bed and sleep.
460
00:29:11,962 --> 00:29:13,096
Oh.
461
00:29:13,097 --> 00:29:15,789
He was ripping covers off the bed.
462
00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:18,010
[Sniffles]
463
00:29:18,437 --> 00:29:20,460
You okay?
464
00:29:20,461 --> 00:29:21,849
[Sighs]
465
00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:24,303
That happens.
466
00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:28,144
Several times, I've felt the
blankets being pulled off...
467
00:29:28,145 --> 00:29:31,085
And being grabbed...
468
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:33,839
Sexually.
469
00:29:34,236 --> 00:29:36,456
[Sniffles]
470
00:29:36,884 --> 00:29:38,885
You've been shook, too, right?
471
00:29:38,886 --> 00:29:42,000
Yeah, it felt like somebody just...
472
00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:45,235
Grabbed a hold like this on my shoulder.
473
00:29:45,236 --> 00:29:48,060
And shook me right awake.
474
00:29:48,061 --> 00:29:49,921
Wow.
475
00:29:50,384 --> 00:29:53,386
What I did get was that he was white.
476
00:29:53,387 --> 00:29:57,614
And that he was on some kind
of substance, maybe drugs.
477
00:29:57,615 --> 00:30:02,235
And his body was very
frail when he died.
478
00:30:02,889 --> 00:30:04,856
That's interesting you say that.
479
00:30:04,857 --> 00:30:09,303
The man that lived in your house before
you guys bought it was this guy named Bill.
480
00:30:09,304 --> 00:30:11,926
I talked to your neighbor about
him, who he was close with.
481
00:30:11,927 --> 00:30:14,956
Said he was cantankerous and half mean.
482
00:30:14,957 --> 00:30:17,070
Back in the '90s, his wife passed away,
483
00:30:17,071 --> 00:30:20,493
and from that time, he took a downward
spiral, started drinking heavily.
484
00:30:20,494 --> 00:30:22,629
Eventually, he wound up in a wheelchair.
485
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:25,990
He did die in the house.
486
00:30:26,767 --> 00:30:30,667
I got his death certificate here.
487
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:35,629
He died of basically pneumonia
and respiratory failure.
488
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:40,507
He was found after like
three days in the house.
489
00:30:40,508 --> 00:30:44,235
Some of that information you had.
490
00:30:44,236 --> 00:30:47,657
The odd part is, when they
bought the house, they bought...
491
00:30:47,658 --> 00:30:49,623
- Most of the furniture with it.
- Oh.
492
00:30:49,624 --> 00:30:51,891
And they're actually
sleeping on Bill's mattress.
493
00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,126
Yes.
494
00:30:53,127 --> 00:30:55,262
- So...
- Oh, wow.
495
00:30:55,263 --> 00:30:57,664
I mean, I don't know if this
is the guy you saw, but...
496
00:30:57,665 --> 00:30:59,466
It's very possible.
497
00:30:59,467 --> 00:31:03,470
Would them keeping his
furniture make things worse?
498
00:31:03,471 --> 00:31:07,585
Yeah, that's probably not a good thing.
499
00:31:07,586 --> 00:31:10,118
Beds hold a lot of...
500
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,693
Residual energy.
501
00:31:12,694 --> 00:31:17,374
I'm not gonna be
settled until it's gone.
502
00:31:18,612 --> 00:31:20,887
So, what else is going
on with this walk?
503
00:31:20,888 --> 00:31:24,546
I felt like some of the
living in the house...
504
00:31:24,547 --> 00:31:27,260
Are trying to communicate with the dead.
505
00:31:27,261 --> 00:31:31,444
I wasn't upset by this, and
usually I get really pissed.
506
00:31:31,445 --> 00:31:35,498
But I really felt like
these people were honestly
507
00:31:35,499 --> 00:31:38,771
just trying to figure
out what's going on.
508
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:41,231
Tell her about how you've
been trying to communicate.
509
00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:46,359
A paranormal team came in, and
they've done EVPs and pictures, but...
510
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,664
It's unsuccessful so far.
511
00:31:49,665 --> 00:31:52,402
They've even done an
exorcism on me thinking that,
512
00:31:52,403 --> 00:31:56,423
maybe something was attached to me.
513
00:31:56,513 --> 00:32:00,197
It's very, very rare
that an individual...
514
00:32:00,198 --> 00:32:02,521
Is uh, possessed.
515
00:32:02,522 --> 00:32:05,849
- So it could have made it worse?
- Oh, yeah.
516
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:11,310
When they're not done
properly, all hell breaks loose.
517
00:32:15,173 --> 00:32:18,427
The other thing that I got was uh...
518
00:32:18,428 --> 00:32:23,542
About a living person at the
location, and this person is a female.
519
00:32:23,543 --> 00:32:27,179
I felt like she was the caretaker,
always taking care of everyone.
520
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,642
But nothing she does is working,
521
00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:33,893
and she feels like everything,
including her life, is falling apart.
522
00:32:33,894 --> 00:32:37,263
She hasn't been sleeping...
exhaustion, beat up.
523
00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:39,844
She's a mess.
524
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,080
And she has had thoughts of
possibly burning down the house.
525
00:32:46,374 --> 00:32:50,064
And feels very guilty because...
526
00:32:50,065 --> 00:32:52,848
She wants to leave...
527
00:32:52,849 --> 00:32:55,548
But she knows she can't.
528
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:57,769
[Sniffles]
529
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:07,387
It's a constant struggle, daily.
530
00:33:07,388 --> 00:33:11,048
Trying to keep the kids safe.
531
00:33:11,443 --> 00:33:13,992
I haven't slept in years.
532
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:17,904
Watching your family get harmed by
something that you can't control...
533
00:33:17,905 --> 00:33:23,389
It makes you feel like you're not
a good parent, you're not anything.
534
00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:28,231
And the house burning...
that's all I wish about.
535
00:33:28,232 --> 00:33:31,292
Every time I leave...
536
00:33:31,357 --> 00:33:33,833
I just pray that it burns down.
537
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:38,762
Yeah, I'll lose everything,
but I'll gain my sanity.
538
00:33:38,763 --> 00:33:41,792
Never thought it was gonna
get this bad, you know?
539
00:33:41,793 --> 00:33:47,693
Somebody in this house is gonna
get either hurt or get killed.
540
00:33:49,125 --> 00:33:51,345
[Sniffles]
541
00:33:52,821 --> 00:33:54,321
Di Schiavi: What else you see?
542
00:33:54,322 --> 00:33:57,270
So, there's one entity...
543
00:33:57,271 --> 00:34:01,428
That's actually interacting with the
family, and it's extremely powerful.
544
00:34:01,429 --> 00:34:07,329
And pretty much all of the
problems is generated by this thing.
545
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:12,200
And most people would
see it as a dark mass.
546
00:34:15,301 --> 00:34:20,101
It's something that
you would not mess with.
547
00:34:20,114 --> 00:34:23,714
Its main area is the garage.
548
00:34:24,485 --> 00:34:27,995
And I saw it aggressively
moving objects.
549
00:34:27,996 --> 00:34:30,028
It's very physical.
550
00:34:30,029 --> 00:34:32,400
Why don't you tell Amy
about what happens in there?
551
00:34:32,401 --> 00:34:38,044
I had a piece of concrete thrown
at me and hit me right in the back.
552
00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:42,185
And a one-inch wrench thrown at me.
553
00:34:42,871 --> 00:34:44,765
Di Schiavi: I want
to show you something.
554
00:34:44,766 --> 00:34:49,928
I had interviewed Zach, one of Kathy's
boys, and he showed me these pictures.
555
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:55,829
Now, I don't know if you can see
what's scratched into his chest.
556
00:34:56,484 --> 00:34:58,535
It spells "leave".
557
00:34:58,536 --> 00:34:59,781
Oh, yeah.
558
00:34:59,782 --> 00:35:02,790
And he swore to me he
didn't do it to himself.
559
00:35:02,791 --> 00:35:04,651
Wow.
560
00:35:05,651 --> 00:35:07,576
Could this thing do that?
561
00:35:07,577 --> 00:35:11,309
You know, I wouldn't discount
that as being a possibility.
562
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:14,098
Because it is an advanced entity,
563
00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:19,979
so it can go into your mind
and it can project your fears.
564
00:35:20,976 --> 00:35:23,997
It knows what scares you.
565
00:35:23,998 --> 00:35:29,349
When I first encountered it,
it was like a huge spider.
566
00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:33,941
I saw this headless man
come into the room one night.
567
00:35:33,942 --> 00:35:36,894
And it told me to get out.
568
00:35:36,895 --> 00:35:39,235
Interesting.
569
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,845
Well, I had the sketch artist sketch,
570
00:35:43,846 --> 00:35:49,746
what I felt was the most
disturbing scene that I came across.
571
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,580
Take a look at that.
572
00:35:59,813 --> 00:36:02,258
Who's the kid?
573
00:36:02,259 --> 00:36:03,435
[Sighs]
574
00:36:03,436 --> 00:36:05,296
God.
575
00:36:08,823 --> 00:36:10,803
Mikey.
576
00:36:26,817 --> 00:36:32,717
I had the sketch artist sketch the most
disturbing scene that I came across.
577
00:36:39,125 --> 00:36:42,185
Take a look at that.
578
00:36:43,016 --> 00:36:44,714
Who's the kid?
579
00:36:44,715 --> 00:36:45,898
[Sighs]
580
00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:47,759
God.
581
00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:51,447
Mikey.
582
00:36:56,875 --> 00:36:59,214
- He's the youngest, by the way.
- Okay.
583
00:36:59,215 --> 00:37:02,447
- And he's, what, 5?
- 5.
584
00:37:02,448 --> 00:37:06,768
She's the one I called the babysitter.
585
00:37:06,817 --> 00:37:10,597
And you see who she really is.
586
00:37:12,258 --> 00:37:15,978
She has this child entranced...
587
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,154
And feeling safe, but
it's not a real girl.
588
00:37:22,155 --> 00:37:24,915
It's the entity.
589
00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:29,852
He's constantly playing with somebody,
590
00:37:29,853 --> 00:37:32,277
and he'll wake up in the middle
of the night, he's laughing.
591
00:37:32,278 --> 00:37:34,440
I mean, hysterically laughing.
592
00:37:34,441 --> 00:37:39,120
I knew it was a small child
that was being manipulated.
593
00:37:39,121 --> 00:37:41,331
By this thing.
594
00:37:41,332 --> 00:37:46,972
If it's able to do these
things, what's the next step?
595
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:53,417
Di Schiavi: What is it?
596
00:37:53,418 --> 00:37:57,851
I mean, is it a human?
Is it not a human?
597
00:37:57,852 --> 00:37:59,584
It took me a while to figure out,
598
00:37:59,585 --> 00:38:04,513
but there was someone at some
point on that property who...
599
00:38:04,514 --> 00:38:07,514
Was into dark magic.
600
00:38:10,131 --> 00:38:12,931
And wanted revenge.
601
00:38:12,932 --> 00:38:17,797
This individual conjured up
this entity, this demon thing.
602
00:38:17,798 --> 00:38:19,748
[Sniffles]
603
00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:23,209
- It's a Demon, then?
- Yeah.
604
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:27,290
That is what I would call a Demon.
605
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,421
It might have been kind of...
606
00:38:31,422 --> 00:38:34,080
Activated again by...
607
00:38:34,081 --> 00:38:37,501
Some of the investigations.
608
00:38:38,304 --> 00:38:43,964
It's definitely attaching and
interacting with the family now.
609
00:38:43,965 --> 00:38:48,982
It sought out living people
to begin gaining more power.
610
00:38:48,983 --> 00:38:53,303
It's making people fight in the house.
611
00:38:53,582 --> 00:38:57,201
And when I say fight, I mean fight.
612
00:38:57,202 --> 00:39:01,485
Like, I'm talking screaming,
physical fighting, yelling.
613
00:39:01,486 --> 00:39:06,819
And what it wants is for all of
you to turn against each other.
614
00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:12,417
I call it kind of like a bloodbath,
because your blood boils. You just want...
615
00:39:12,418 --> 00:39:14,578
Oh, God.
616
00:39:14,816 --> 00:39:17,583
You want to hurt the person.
617
00:39:17,584 --> 00:39:20,829
And it's just over the stupidest things.
618
00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:26,650
But once you go off the
property, you can feel the relief.
619
00:39:30,348 --> 00:39:34,324
Di Schiavi: Well, Kathy and Mike, this
has been a pretty tough night for you guys.
620
00:39:34,325 --> 00:39:37,460
But now at least you know what the
hell has been tormenting your family.
621
00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:40,624
The big question is, can you
stay in this house safely?
622
00:39:40,625 --> 00:39:46,445
I can't answer that, so I'm
gonna turn that over to Amy.
623
00:39:49,741 --> 00:39:53,149
I believe the best
thing you could do for,
624
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:57,830
yourselves and your
children is to relocate.
625
00:40:00,219 --> 00:40:04,010
It's not too often that
this is the advice Amy gives,
626
00:40:04,011 --> 00:40:08,393
but for her to give it, it must
mean you got a serious problem.
627
00:40:08,394 --> 00:40:10,854
I'm leaving.
628
00:40:13,012 --> 00:40:16,647
Gonna just turn my back on the
property and go away. I'm sorry.
629
00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:19,604
You know, I got to protect my family.
630
00:40:19,605 --> 00:40:24,816
Um... if they do decide to stay and
can't afford to move, what can they do?
631
00:40:24,817 --> 00:40:29,647
It's a lot of things that would
need to be done simultaneously.
632
00:40:29,648 --> 00:40:33,728
There is definitely PTSD here, okay?
633
00:40:34,389 --> 00:40:38,499
And that's something that needs
to be addressed through counseling.
634
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:42,602
So you need to go and see
someone who is a psychologist,
635
00:40:42,603 --> 00:40:46,631
or a psychiatrist who is
specially trained in PTSD.
636
00:40:46,632 --> 00:40:49,076
The other thing that's going
on while that's happening,
637
00:40:49,077 --> 00:40:54,678
is that a Catholic priest must
do an exorcism of the property.
638
00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:00,578
And must counsel the dead man, and then
remove him from the location, as well.
639
00:41:00,579 --> 00:41:04,411
- Would that get rid of the demon?
- Yes.
640
00:41:04,412 --> 00:41:08,350
Why is it easier for them to just move
than to try to save the house and do that?
641
00:41:08,351 --> 00:41:13,092
In this situation, you have a
family that is in dire straits.
642
00:41:13,093 --> 00:41:13,824
Mm hmm.
643
00:41:13,825 --> 00:41:18,396
You have individuals at the
location who are extremely open.
644
00:41:18,397 --> 00:41:21,457
This is an emergency.
645
00:41:21,647 --> 00:41:26,034
And I don't think that
you, at this time...
646
00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:30,713
Need to be burdened
with all of that, too.
647
00:41:30,714 --> 00:41:33,754
I'd feel much better
by getting out of there.
648
00:41:33,755 --> 00:41:36,553
I mean, I'm not gonna
ruin what we have...
649
00:41:36,554 --> 00:41:39,817
And our family for just a house.
650
00:41:39,818 --> 00:41:41,828
It's tough, but it's a relief.
651
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:46,658
I know what steps I have to
take to see the happiness again.
652
00:41:46,659 --> 00:41:51,822
I've seen so much sadness and
hate and blackness for so long.
653
00:41:51,823 --> 00:41:55,603
I want to see the light again.
654
00:41:55,891 --> 00:41:58,088
Allan: I wish I had better
news for Kathy and Mike,
655
00:41:58,089 --> 00:42:00,447
but this demon has become so powerful...
656
00:42:00,448 --> 00:42:03,146
That the only way to ensure
their family remains safe,
657
00:42:03,147 --> 00:42:07,452
is to get as far away from
this property as possible.
658
00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:13,353
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