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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:11,283 --> 00:00:13,417 There's this darkness. 3 00:00:13,418 --> 00:00:15,868 And it makes me feel sick. 4 00:00:15,869 --> 00:00:18,556 I started to feel like I was being choked. 5 00:00:18,557 --> 00:00:20,025 Very, very painful. 6 00:00:20,026 --> 00:00:21,092 [ Woman screams ] 7 00:00:21,093 --> 00:00:24,062 I've been pushed down the steps. 8 00:00:24,063 --> 00:00:27,441 Some kind of physical abuse. 9 00:00:27,442 --> 00:00:29,834 They could have been dismembered. 10 00:00:29,835 --> 00:00:32,904 Does not want us here at all. 11 00:00:32,905 --> 00:00:35,615 It's just waiting to just tear us apart. 12 00:00:35,616 --> 00:00:41,136 There are secrets here that some don't want discovered. 13 00:00:41,547 --> 00:00:44,046 They're being watched. 14 00:00:44,047 --> 00:00:46,785 My name is Amy Allan. 15 00:00:46,786 --> 00:00:48,987 This thing likes death. 16 00:00:48,988 --> 00:00:50,722 I see dead people. 17 00:00:50,723 --> 00:00:52,356 This thing's, like, a monster. 18 00:00:52,357 --> 00:00:54,392 I speak to dead people. 19 00:00:54,393 --> 00:00:56,347 And he's pissed off now. 20 00:00:56,348 --> 00:00:57,595 And they speak to me. 21 00:00:57,596 --> 00:00:59,261 His head was cracked. 22 00:00:59,262 --> 00:01:03,085 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:03,086 --> 00:01:04,445 This guy was murdered. 24 00:01:04,446 --> 00:01:05,917 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:05,918 --> 00:01:09,107 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 26 00:01:09,108 --> 00:01:11,642 I cannot help you unless I know the whole story. 27 00:01:11,643 --> 00:01:15,280 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:15,281 --> 00:01:16,414 You saw her? 29 00:01:16,415 --> 00:01:17,913 It's my job to reveal them. 30 00:01:17,914 --> 00:01:19,143 Why would you stay here? 31 00:01:19,144 --> 00:01:21,299 But Steve and I never speak... 32 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:23,194 We never communicate during an investigation. 33 00:01:23,195 --> 00:01:24,549 Until the very end. 34 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:26,290 [ Echoing ] Stop it. 35 00:01:26,291 --> 00:01:28,526 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 36 00:01:28,527 --> 00:01:31,096 Woman: I want to know the truth. I want to know what's happening. 37 00:01:31,097 --> 00:01:32,435 Or time to get out. 38 00:01:32,436 --> 00:01:37,896 [ Crying ] I told you there were ghosts in this house. 39 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,856 Di Schiavi: Amy and I work the same case, but from two separate angles. 40 00:01:57,857 --> 00:02:03,757 I gather witness testimony and uncover secrets about the property's past. 41 00:02:03,811 --> 00:02:07,084 While Amy communicates with the dead. 42 00:02:07,085 --> 00:02:10,443 I'm in Buchanan, Virginia, about 30 minutes north of Roanoke. 43 00:02:10,444 --> 00:02:14,392 We've been called in by a scared mom named Tysha. 44 00:02:14,393 --> 00:02:17,719 She tells me that whatever's on her property is attacking her family, 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,965 and making everyone sick. 46 00:02:19,966 --> 00:02:25,186 Hopefully, Amy and I can get some answers for her. 47 00:02:32,203 --> 00:02:37,574 Anderson: Before Amy arrives, I need to clear the area of any leading information. 48 00:02:37,575 --> 00:02:42,750 This house is filled with photos of a young family, so I need to remove them all. 49 00:02:42,751 --> 00:02:47,251 To avoid influencing Amy during her walk. 50 00:03:01,164 --> 00:03:03,700 Allan: This place is really busy. 51 00:03:03,701 --> 00:03:07,503 There's, like, a ton of [Bleep] people around that are dead. 52 00:03:07,504 --> 00:03:08,913 Like, how many? 53 00:03:08,914 --> 00:03:14,254 I would count, like, 15 people that were walking by. 54 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:21,220 There's a lot of pain and despair here. 55 00:03:21,767 --> 00:03:25,847 - Around the whole property. - Okay. 56 00:03:28,992 --> 00:03:33,372 I think something bad happened in there. 57 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,382 Di Schiavi: You know, Tysha, this kitchen doesn't look lived in. 58 00:03:52,383 --> 00:03:53,389 What's the story? 59 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:55,820 The activity in the house just became outrageous, 60 00:03:55,821 --> 00:03:58,912 and it just became too much for our family. 61 00:03:58,913 --> 00:04:01,557 And we decided to build a modular house three years ago. 62 00:04:01,558 --> 00:04:03,521 Is that the other structure that I saw driving up? 63 00:04:03,522 --> 00:04:04,326 Yes, Sir. 64 00:04:04,327 --> 00:04:07,491 Okay, so let me ask you a question, did it get better when you moved over there? 65 00:04:07,492 --> 00:04:09,299 No, not at all. 66 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,122 So, give me an idea. What happened while you were living in this house? 67 00:04:12,123 --> 00:04:15,787 We have everything from, like, seeing apparitions and noises. 68 00:04:15,788 --> 00:04:18,190 I've actually been choked before. 69 00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:20,493 And I have nightmares all the time. 70 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:22,894 I cannot sleep. 71 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,097 On the phone, you said this was affecting your health. 72 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:26,165 Yes, Sir. 73 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,886 The doctor said that he had diagnosed me with a chronic 74 00:04:28,887 --> 00:04:32,469 pain condition called Fibromyalgia, and... 75 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:34,463 My pain was just so amplified, 76 00:04:34,464 --> 00:04:36,880 I was getting to where I couldn't function at all. 77 00:04:36,881 --> 00:04:39,644 Now, what about everybody else, are they getting affected health-wise? 78 00:04:39,645 --> 00:04:42,651 My two children... I have a middle son that has Asperger's. 79 00:04:42,652 --> 00:04:45,088 - And my little one has autism. - Oh, geez. 80 00:04:45,089 --> 00:04:47,389 - All right. So you got your hands full. - Yes. 81 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:48,994 Do you know any history about this place? 82 00:04:48,995 --> 00:04:51,961 - We think it was built in 1847. - Wow. 83 00:04:51,962 --> 00:04:55,378 My father-in-law lived here as a bachelor for a very long time. 84 00:04:55,379 --> 00:04:57,862 Now, is your husband's father still alive? 85 00:04:57,863 --> 00:04:59,238 No, Sir. He passed away. 86 00:04:59,239 --> 00:05:02,234 Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. Did he ever mention... 87 00:05:02,235 --> 00:05:03,118 Oh, yes. 88 00:05:03,119 --> 00:05:04,089 - He did? - Yes, Sir. 89 00:05:04,090 --> 00:05:05,178 And what did he make of it? 90 00:05:05,179 --> 00:05:07,739 I think he had a lot of fear of things, too. 91 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:09,039 - He did? - Yes, Sir. 92 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,523 Did you and your husband ever consider moving off the property? 93 00:05:11,524 --> 00:05:14,186 Financially, it would be impossible for us to move. 94 00:05:14,187 --> 00:05:17,578 And I would never be able to do that. It would break my heart. 95 00:05:17,579 --> 00:05:19,067 Okay. 96 00:05:19,068 --> 00:05:22,132 So, do you want to move back into this house if we could help fix things? 97 00:05:22,133 --> 00:05:23,993 Yes. 98 00:05:26,833 --> 00:05:29,868 It seems like there were a lot of people here. 99 00:05:29,869 --> 00:05:31,537 It's stressful. 100 00:05:31,538 --> 00:05:34,118 Very stressful. 101 00:05:36,903 --> 00:05:38,643 __. 102 00:05:39,146 --> 00:05:40,063 [ Chuckles ] 103 00:05:40,064 --> 00:05:41,804 __. 104 00:05:42,811 --> 00:05:46,051 That would not be good. 105 00:05:46,511 --> 00:05:48,501 This place is crawling with dead people, 106 00:05:48,502 --> 00:05:52,312 who have the ability to affect the living in horrific ways. 107 00:05:52,313 --> 00:05:56,109 And I think it would make you terribly ill, terribly ill to live here. 108 00:05:56,110 --> 00:05:58,093 And it makes me feel sick. 109 00:05:58,094 --> 00:06:00,614 [ Door slams ] 110 00:06:00,656 --> 00:06:05,120 What sort of stuff do you think people would experience here? 111 00:06:05,121 --> 00:06:07,106 Men's voices. 112 00:06:07,107 --> 00:06:09,207 Arguing. 113 00:06:09,876 --> 00:06:12,696 Seeing apparitions. 114 00:06:20,318 --> 00:06:23,219 Tysha: Watch your step. 115 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:28,560 Geez, you weren't kidding. This really is a dungeon. 116 00:06:29,192 --> 00:06:31,227 This is probably the worst place. 117 00:06:31,228 --> 00:06:34,569 I just do not come down here. I have terrible feelings... 118 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:38,230 Just dread, sadness, um, pain. 119 00:06:38,701 --> 00:06:42,639 We were told, actually, that slaves were kept down here, as well. 120 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,574 - Down here? - Yes, Sir. 121 00:06:44,575 --> 00:06:47,773 - Have you ever seen anything down here? - I've seen apparitions. Yes, Sir. 122 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:51,665 I've seen a man with, like, dark pants, 123 00:06:51,666 --> 00:06:55,496 and he just kind of walked across the floor... 124 00:06:55,497 --> 00:06:58,341 And just disappeared. 125 00:06:58,342 --> 00:07:00,605 So, what are you actually feeling right now? 126 00:07:00,606 --> 00:07:04,112 Uh, really nauseous, kind of light-headed and dizzy. 127 00:07:04,113 --> 00:07:06,355 All right, you know what, let's get the hell out of here. 128 00:07:06,356 --> 00:07:08,276 Okay. 129 00:07:21,504 --> 00:07:25,180 I see a lot of black men who are dead, who are lined up, 130 00:07:25,181 --> 00:07:27,418 and somebody's throwing water on them. 131 00:07:27,419 --> 00:07:31,979 Like, just throwing water on their bodies. 132 00:07:35,529 --> 00:07:37,583 In particular, there's a woman... 133 00:07:37,584 --> 00:07:40,332 A black woman... who's... 134 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:42,598 Splashing the water on them. 135 00:07:42,599 --> 00:07:46,319 Does not want us here at all. 136 00:07:48,572 --> 00:07:51,574 I don't think there are people here who like white people. 137 00:07:51,575 --> 00:07:53,108 Like, get out. 138 00:07:53,109 --> 00:07:55,689 [ Door creaks ] 139 00:07:56,647 --> 00:08:01,147 I just feel very uncomfortable, and um... 140 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,364 Like... 141 00:08:03,365 --> 00:08:05,701 I feel like she can do stuff. 142 00:08:05,702 --> 00:08:08,875 Could she be dangerous? 143 00:08:08,876 --> 00:08:11,276 I think so. 144 00:08:21,472 --> 00:08:23,639 So, what happened here? 145 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,242 This is the most active part of the house that we have. 146 00:08:26,243 --> 00:08:29,345 One night, I was up here by myself and I had fell asleep. 147 00:08:29,346 --> 00:08:33,183 The bed started vibrating, and then I started to feel like I was being choked. 148 00:08:33,184 --> 00:08:35,575 It was like somebody was sitting on top of my chest, 149 00:08:35,576 --> 00:08:38,120 pressing down with their two thumbs on my adam's apple. 150 00:08:38,121 --> 00:08:39,462 Was your husband in bed with you? 151 00:08:39,463 --> 00:08:41,653 - No. He was downstairs. - Okay. 152 00:08:41,654 --> 00:08:43,559 Well, anything else happen up here? 153 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:45,982 The scariest thing that probably ever happened, 154 00:08:45,983 --> 00:08:48,297 my son River... he was seven days old... 155 00:08:48,298 --> 00:08:51,721 And I actually fell down the steps... it was like I was being pushed... 156 00:08:51,722 --> 00:08:53,569 And had him in my arms. 157 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:54,874 - Did he get hurt? - No. 158 00:08:54,875 --> 00:08:58,499 I just grabbed onto him as hard as I could and just went down the steps on my back. 159 00:08:58,500 --> 00:08:59,306 Did you get hurt? 160 00:08:59,307 --> 00:09:03,251 I had some bruises on my bottom and my back. Yes, I did. 161 00:09:03,252 --> 00:09:06,457 Now, you mentioned that some of the stuff that's happened here 162 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,434 - is happening in the new house. - Yes, Sir. 163 00:09:08,435 --> 00:09:11,810 I'm gonna have to go and take a look so you can show me where it's going on. 164 00:09:11,811 --> 00:09:14,991 - That's fine. - Okay. 165 00:09:23,033 --> 00:09:25,835 Now, Tysha, you mentioned you're in this new house, what, three years? 166 00:09:25,836 --> 00:09:28,116 Yes. Going on three years, yes. 167 00:09:28,117 --> 00:09:31,164 - And nothing's gotten better? - Tysha: No, nothing's gotten better. 168 00:09:31,165 --> 00:09:36,712 Exactly the same thing that has went on at the old house goes on over here. 169 00:09:36,713 --> 00:09:39,394 I still have the activity of the pushing on the bed. 170 00:09:39,395 --> 00:09:40,883 How heavy are we talking? Like... 171 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:43,856 Like a child would be jumping from the head to the foot. 172 00:09:43,857 --> 00:09:49,317 - Like a small child jumping on the bed? - Yeah, yeah. 173 00:09:51,628 --> 00:09:54,850 So, basically, all the [Bleep] people, 174 00:09:54,851 --> 00:10:00,011 that were over at the other place came over here. 175 00:10:02,350 --> 00:10:07,062 So, there's just, like, this one kid who... 176 00:10:07,063 --> 00:10:09,523 Jumps around. 177 00:10:09,838 --> 00:10:11,672 And the other one follows him. 178 00:10:11,673 --> 00:10:14,613 [ Children laughing ] 179 00:10:16,854 --> 00:10:19,755 And they kind of, like... 180 00:10:19,756 --> 00:10:22,222 They attempt to be seen. 181 00:10:22,223 --> 00:10:25,763 They're all over the house. 182 00:10:27,163 --> 00:10:30,163 So, what about the kids? Are they experiencing anything, or... 183 00:10:30,164 --> 00:10:35,517 Yes, my son Blaze. He keeps talking about seeing the same little boy apparition. 184 00:10:35,518 --> 00:10:37,139 Describe it to me. 185 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:41,384 Blaze said he has a white shirt that buttons up with overalls. 186 00:10:41,385 --> 00:10:44,219 - Okay, have you seen it? - I haven't seen the little boy. 187 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:47,023 It's pretty bad when, you know, you think you're gonna build a new home 188 00:10:47,024 --> 00:10:52,924 and have, maybe, a new beginning, and the same things are still going on. 189 00:10:55,005 --> 00:10:58,845 A black woman hates me so much. 190 00:11:01,515 --> 00:11:03,675 [ Sighs ] 191 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:08,905 I'm in, like, a lot of pain here. 192 00:11:08,906 --> 00:11:11,173 Very, very painful. 193 00:11:11,174 --> 00:11:13,902 Very, very, very painful. 194 00:11:13,903 --> 00:11:15,511 What kind of pain? 195 00:11:15,512 --> 00:11:18,874 There was something about her head... 196 00:11:18,875 --> 00:11:22,284 Her neck, and her back, and it's... 197 00:11:22,285 --> 00:11:24,974 Are you afraid of her? 198 00:11:24,975 --> 00:11:29,475 I'm not really allowed to talk about it. 199 00:11:43,127 --> 00:11:46,696 Allan: I'm in, like, a lot of pain here. 200 00:11:46,697 --> 00:11:48,681 What kind of pain? 201 00:11:48,682 --> 00:11:53,782 Something about her head, her neck, and her back. 202 00:11:56,322 --> 00:11:58,239 Are you afraid of her? 203 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,038 I'm not really allowed to talk about it. 204 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,530 Why can't you talk about it? 205 00:12:03,531 --> 00:12:07,371 She has a way of preventing it. 206 00:12:08,678 --> 00:12:12,772 This black woman wants to communicate to the living what's happened to her, 207 00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:15,417 but she says she doesn't trust me because I'm white. 208 00:12:15,418 --> 00:12:19,179 She also has this bizarre ability I've never encountered before, 209 00:12:19,180 --> 00:12:23,958 and it makes it impossible for me to reveal details of her painful life. 210 00:12:23,959 --> 00:12:26,839 I've never felt... 211 00:12:26,916 --> 00:12:29,556 So much hatred. 212 00:12:39,199 --> 00:12:41,599 Di Schiavi: So, Troy, I was talking to your wife. 213 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,478 She said that you grew up on the property. 214 00:12:43,479 --> 00:12:47,849 Troy: Yes, Sir. I've been on the property pretty much since I came into the world. 215 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:49,208 Okay. 216 00:12:49,209 --> 00:12:51,253 So, what have you experienced up here? 217 00:12:51,254 --> 00:12:56,741 Well, we put all new drywall in, and we had it stacked up against the wall. 218 00:12:56,742 --> 00:13:01,002 And it started to shift over onto me. 219 00:13:01,202 --> 00:13:05,817 And I spun around to try and get out from there, and I jumped... 220 00:13:05,818 --> 00:13:10,572 And it all came down and smashed me down and pinned this foot down to the ground. 221 00:13:10,573 --> 00:13:12,458 That's a lot of weight. 222 00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:14,743 And excruciating pain. 223 00:13:14,744 --> 00:13:17,379 And my son had walked in right as that was going on. 224 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:19,381 That's why it was scaring me so much. 225 00:13:19,382 --> 00:13:21,783 Could have killed me. It could have killed him. 226 00:13:21,784 --> 00:13:24,138 So, this drywall couldn't have got just pushed? 227 00:13:24,139 --> 00:13:26,386 - Like, I mean... - No. I mean, I'm a brick mason. 228 00:13:26,387 --> 00:13:29,891 - I deal around construction all the time. - All right. 229 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:31,982 So, what else have you experienced up here? 230 00:13:31,983 --> 00:13:35,588 I've been pushed down the steps. 231 00:13:35,589 --> 00:13:37,799 Busted my arm up pretty good. 232 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,738 Tysha told me she got pushed when she was holding the baby. 233 00:13:40,739 --> 00:13:43,721 Tysha also got pushed, same place, same step. 234 00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:46,211 So, when you got pushed, did you feel like somebody shoved you? 235 00:13:46,212 --> 00:13:50,011 Yeah, it did. Did feel like somebody pushed right in the small of the back. 236 00:13:50,012 --> 00:13:51,461 A good boom. 237 00:13:51,462 --> 00:13:54,255 Well, I'm hoping that we can get some answers to what's going on, 238 00:13:54,256 --> 00:13:56,250 what's causing it, and how to stop it. 239 00:13:56,251 --> 00:13:59,854 Yeah, before something bad happens to one of the kids. 240 00:13:59,855 --> 00:14:01,775 Okay. 241 00:14:05,861 --> 00:14:08,141 The black lady... 242 00:14:08,142 --> 00:14:11,202 She says, basically... 243 00:14:11,701 --> 00:14:14,758 That she's given warnings. 244 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:18,870 What kind of warnings has she given? 245 00:14:18,871 --> 00:14:23,061 Like, there's been some kind of physical abuse. 246 00:14:23,062 --> 00:14:25,942 Towards the adults. 247 00:14:26,481 --> 00:14:28,573 Like what? 248 00:14:28,574 --> 00:14:31,753 I feel like she... like, hitting... 249 00:14:31,754 --> 00:14:35,474 Making them feel pain suddenly. 250 00:14:39,662 --> 00:14:42,553 She's not a very tolerant person. 251 00:14:42,554 --> 00:14:44,894 [ Chuckles ] 252 00:14:50,873 --> 00:14:54,305 Di Schiavi: So, why'd you bring me in this room? 253 00:14:54,306 --> 00:14:58,340 I was relaxing on the sofa, and I seen a big, big mist right here... 254 00:14:58,341 --> 00:15:00,415 A blackish-colored mist. 255 00:15:00,416 --> 00:15:04,386 And I've seen that same mist throughout the house. 256 00:15:04,387 --> 00:15:06,546 And you've seen that since you were a young man? 257 00:15:06,547 --> 00:15:08,905 I was 8 or 10 the first time that I'd seen it. 258 00:15:08,906 --> 00:15:10,587 And now you're seeing it again as an adult? 259 00:15:10,588 --> 00:15:11,863 Yeah. 260 00:15:11,864 --> 00:15:15,527 You guys are the first people that I've talked about this besides my wife. 261 00:15:15,528 --> 00:15:16,390 Okay. 262 00:15:16,391 --> 00:15:20,216 Now, talking to Tysha, she feels that her physical 263 00:15:20,217 --> 00:15:23,638 ailment was actually brought on by the house. 264 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:26,836 - Do you believe that? - Yeah. 265 00:15:26,837 --> 00:15:28,643 At first, it wasn't too bad. 266 00:15:28,644 --> 00:15:31,519 It seemed like the longer we were here, 267 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,110 her health just slowly started going down, you know? 268 00:15:34,111 --> 00:15:37,790 I mean, you could look at her and see she don't look like she's in bad shape, 269 00:15:37,791 --> 00:15:40,540 but she's in a lot of pain. 270 00:15:40,541 --> 00:15:42,642 Do you ever think about just moving? 271 00:15:42,643 --> 00:15:45,871 That really, honestly, never crossed my mind or anything 272 00:15:45,872 --> 00:15:49,900 because it's something I hold dear to my heart. 273 00:15:49,901 --> 00:15:53,229 This place had been in my family for so, so long. 274 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:56,212 And I've fought tooth and nail, and Tysha has fought tooth and nail, 275 00:15:56,213 --> 00:15:58,093 to keep the property. 276 00:15:58,094 --> 00:16:00,401 And you have the two boys you want to... 277 00:16:00,402 --> 00:16:03,702 Pass the property on to? 278 00:16:05,170 --> 00:16:06,371 [ Sniffles ] 279 00:16:06,372 --> 00:16:08,777 Now, what are you hoping for at the end of the investigation? 280 00:16:08,778 --> 00:16:10,842 What are you hoping we can get for you? 281 00:16:10,843 --> 00:16:12,487 Just to get straightened out. 282 00:16:12,488 --> 00:16:13,546 [ Sighs ] 283 00:16:13,547 --> 00:16:15,737 Figure out what's going on. 284 00:16:15,738 --> 00:16:17,091 [ Sniffles ] 285 00:16:17,092 --> 00:16:21,832 - [ Voice breaking ] I need a minute. - Okay. 286 00:16:25,868 --> 00:16:30,163 There's, like, no redeeming quality here... 287 00:16:30,164 --> 00:16:32,506 For this place. 288 00:16:32,507 --> 00:16:37,667 It just shouldn't... shouldn't be anymore, period. 289 00:16:41,851 --> 00:16:44,757 I don't think that the dead people that are here 290 00:16:44,758 --> 00:16:48,409 want this place to really even exist anymore. 291 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:50,157 Why? 292 00:16:50,158 --> 00:16:52,560 I don't know. They get [Bleep] agitated. 293 00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:54,629 [ Man screams ] 294 00:16:54,630 --> 00:17:00,030 And they're yelling, burn this [Bleep] to the ground! 295 00:17:16,325 --> 00:17:20,810 Tysha told me that she thinks her property used to be a big slave plantation. 296 00:17:20,811 --> 00:17:24,290 I'm on my way to meet with a local genealogist to see if this is really true, 297 00:17:24,291 --> 00:17:27,171 or a local legend. 298 00:17:36,112 --> 00:17:39,276 Is it true that the property I'm investigating was a plantation at one time? 299 00:17:39,277 --> 00:17:41,061 - It was. - Okay. 300 00:17:41,062 --> 00:17:43,451 They raised tobacco. 301 00:17:43,452 --> 00:17:46,888 And slaves lived a very hard life. 302 00:17:46,889 --> 00:17:50,693 They were fed very little. They got up early in the day. 303 00:17:50,694 --> 00:17:54,129 They worked all day long, from daylight till dark. 304 00:17:54,130 --> 00:17:55,866 What about medical treatment? 305 00:17:55,867 --> 00:17:58,860 There was probably not very much medical treatment, 306 00:17:58,861 --> 00:18:03,602 for the slave or the landowner because medicine wasn't like it is today. 307 00:18:03,603 --> 00:18:06,791 Do we know who owned the first plantation on the property I'm investigating? 308 00:18:06,792 --> 00:18:09,994 - The Burks family. - And how many slaves did they have? 309 00:18:09,995 --> 00:18:13,297 - We show that there were 60. - And how do we know that? 310 00:18:13,298 --> 00:18:17,601 Well, I have this document here from 1855. 311 00:18:17,602 --> 00:18:23,502 And it talks about the slaves that he owned in his inventory. 312 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,624 10 years old, 11 years old. 313 00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:28,478 Were they ever educated? 314 00:18:28,479 --> 00:18:30,681 They were not schooled. 315 00:18:30,682 --> 00:18:35,397 As soon as they were old enough to walk, they were probably working, as well. 316 00:18:35,398 --> 00:18:39,122 If they died on the property, would they bury them on the property? 317 00:18:39,123 --> 00:18:40,983 Yes. 318 00:18:44,872 --> 00:18:49,972 There's a lot of black boys... like, young boys. 319 00:18:50,912 --> 00:18:53,968 Like, I'd say 12 and under. 320 00:18:53,969 --> 00:18:58,083 I do see, like, a school of some sort... 321 00:18:58,084 --> 00:19:00,424 Very small. 322 00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:02,958 But I don't think... 323 00:19:02,959 --> 00:19:05,691 The black kids would... 324 00:19:05,692 --> 00:19:09,412 Would be being taught anything. 325 00:19:09,688 --> 00:19:12,001 I think a lot of them are buried around here. 326 00:19:12,002 --> 00:19:15,753 I do. I think a lot of them are buried around here. 327 00:19:15,754 --> 00:19:19,354 There were 34 graves in all. 328 00:19:20,157 --> 00:19:24,597 And most of them were children's graves. 329 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:30,360 After meeting Rena, I knew these archives would hold some 330 00:19:30,361 --> 00:19:35,761 pretty appalling stories about the Burks family slaves. 331 00:19:36,317 --> 00:19:41,730 But as I dig through them, I discover something completely unexpected. 332 00:19:41,731 --> 00:19:45,191 Some of the slaves had the same last name as the owner of the plantation... 333 00:19:45,192 --> 00:19:47,772 Nicholas Burks. 334 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:54,840 You know, I've got to wonder if they might be his kids. 335 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,432 I'm headed back to Troy and Tysha's property, 336 00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:04,138 to meet with a local Professor of African-American studies. 337 00:20:04,139 --> 00:20:08,999 Who says she can answer some of my questions. 338 00:20:14,276 --> 00:20:17,641 That paperwork I sent you about the plantation, I mean, what do you make 339 00:20:17,642 --> 00:20:22,145 of the five or six young kids with the same name as the plantation owner? 340 00:20:22,146 --> 00:20:24,930 It was more common than people like to think. 341 00:20:24,931 --> 00:20:29,070 One thing did strike me, though, that one of the five children with his last name... 342 00:20:29,071 --> 00:20:31,651 This person, Monroe... was listed as Mulatto. 343 00:20:31,652 --> 00:20:35,824 Which is someone who's mixed race, and that suggests to me 344 00:20:35,825 --> 00:20:39,120 that it's very likely that he was the plantation owner's son. 345 00:20:39,121 --> 00:20:41,455 - Now, was it consensual? - Not necessarily. 346 00:20:41,456 --> 00:20:42,953 I mean, rape was very common. 347 00:20:42,954 --> 00:20:48,854 If you own a human being, you can do what you will to them. 348 00:20:50,565 --> 00:20:55,365 Some guy's, like, slapping this woman a lot. 349 00:20:55,561 --> 00:20:58,913 Beating her up pretty bad. 350 00:20:58,914 --> 00:21:04,814 It seems like he is wealthy, and it's also like she's nothing. 351 00:21:07,588 --> 00:21:10,688 Is there any way of figuring out who might have been the mother of this kid? 352 00:21:10,689 --> 00:21:13,656 There is someone on the papers that you sent, 353 00:21:13,657 --> 00:21:16,494 that looks like she could be a good fit for his mother. 354 00:21:16,495 --> 00:21:18,219 - It's a woman named Louisa. - Okay. 355 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:22,754 And she was 45 years old the same time that he was 18, listed together. 356 00:21:22,755 --> 00:21:24,881 - So the age range works. - Okay. 357 00:21:24,882 --> 00:21:29,807 And they were also recorded as running away during the same period, possibly together. 358 00:21:29,808 --> 00:21:32,127 What would have happened if they got caught? 359 00:21:32,128 --> 00:21:36,839 Whippings to torture to threatening to sell your family off... 360 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,086 To sell you off down South. They could have been dismembered. 361 00:21:42,087 --> 00:21:44,923 Now, what kind of a woman would even take a risk like that? 362 00:21:44,924 --> 00:21:49,096 A brave one. The domestic slave trade was at its height. 363 00:21:49,097 --> 00:21:50,791 The soil was dying out, 364 00:21:50,792 --> 00:21:54,649 and farmers around here and planters were struggling economically. 365 00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:57,148 So they switched from... 366 00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:01,281 Mostly doing crops to doing human trafficking. 367 00:22:01,282 --> 00:22:07,042 So, she witnessed a huge export of her family and friends. 368 00:22:07,297 --> 00:22:09,667 That would be one of the reasons why she took off, I guess. 369 00:22:09,668 --> 00:22:10,636 Absolutely. 370 00:22:10,637 --> 00:22:14,232 That ultimate freedom or the risk of not being sold down South. 371 00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:20,133 Or maybe being separated from her son might have been enough to make it worth leaving. 372 00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:28,314 There are so many emotions... 373 00:22:28,315 --> 00:22:31,745 With this black woman that it's hard to... 374 00:22:31,746 --> 00:22:33,985 Talk with her. 375 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,280 She is just showing me, like, that... 376 00:22:37,281 --> 00:22:41,412 The only good thing in life were... were children. 377 00:22:41,413 --> 00:22:44,449 That was the only thing that made her happy. 378 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:50,350 She didn't want anybody else to be here, so she did things to try... 379 00:22:50,889 --> 00:22:55,292 To set that in motion when she was alive. 380 00:22:55,293 --> 00:23:00,813 There are secrets here that some don't want discovered. 381 00:23:00,967 --> 00:23:04,687 They should learn from history. 382 00:23:09,074 --> 00:23:10,355 [ Sighs ] 383 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:13,116 What's going on? 384 00:23:13,545 --> 00:23:16,074 She doesn't want me down here. 385 00:23:16,075 --> 00:23:20,155 I'm in, like, a lot of pain here. 386 00:23:35,126 --> 00:23:39,603 In my research, I found out the property's tragic history didn't end with slavery. 387 00:23:39,604 --> 00:23:42,333 I turned up a guy by the name of Starke Robinson, 388 00:23:42,334 --> 00:23:45,519 and it seems he lost a lot of family members. 389 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,090 I'm on my way to meet with a local librarian who did some digging. 390 00:23:49,091 --> 00:23:54,991 And he says he's got some information that'll really help my case. 391 00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:05,660 Nathan, what were you able to find out about this guy, Starke Robinson? 392 00:24:05,661 --> 00:24:07,945 Well, actually, we were able to find out quite a lot. 393 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:12,549 We found out that he is a native-born Virginian, born in 1826. 394 00:24:12,550 --> 00:24:14,172 He was a plantation owner. 395 00:24:14,173 --> 00:24:18,455 He enlisted with the Confederacy, and after The Civil War, of course, 396 00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:22,017 going back to the plantation, life wasn't gonna be the same. 397 00:24:22,018 --> 00:24:27,568 So, in 1870, he buys the property that you're investigating now. 398 00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:30,880 Now, I also noticed through the paperwork, he had some loss. 399 00:24:30,881 --> 00:24:36,640 Yes, he in fact, had three wives throughout his life, and he outlived all of them. 400 00:24:36,641 --> 00:24:41,500 His first wife died before The Civil War in 1857 when she was just 30. 401 00:24:41,501 --> 00:24:46,191 His second wife, Ellen, in 1871... just a year after he buys the property... 402 00:24:46,192 --> 00:24:49,271 She died of complications that occurred during childbirth. 403 00:24:49,272 --> 00:24:50,082 Okay. 404 00:24:50,083 --> 00:24:54,814 And the child that she gave birth to also passed away at that time. 405 00:24:54,815 --> 00:24:59,435 We have some of the cemetery records here. 406 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,780 After Ellen dies, not long after, Starke marries her younger sister, Elizabeth. 407 00:25:06,825 --> 00:25:09,933 - Okay. - And then she lived until 1904. 408 00:25:09,934 --> 00:25:13,834 They were together over 30 years. 409 00:25:20,283 --> 00:25:26,183 I'm getting these two little white ladies, and they're sisters. 410 00:25:26,642 --> 00:25:29,369 Anderson: Do you know what kind of connection these women might have, 411 00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:31,090 to this location? 412 00:25:31,091 --> 00:25:35,591 I feel like they owned it at some point. 413 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,235 One of them is young. 414 00:25:41,236 --> 00:25:45,876 She's from, maybe, like nineteen oh five or nineteen ten. 415 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:48,775 She has dead children. 416 00:25:48,776 --> 00:25:53,087 And then somebody said, well, you know, in the end, there's just blood, anyway. 417 00:25:53,088 --> 00:25:55,316 Sickness and death. That's it. 418 00:25:55,317 --> 00:25:58,361 I don't like it at all. 419 00:25:58,362 --> 00:26:02,556 If we look at the cemetery records that we have, we can see... 420 00:26:02,557 --> 00:26:05,988 That Starke actually ended up outliving... 421 00:26:05,989 --> 00:26:09,109 7 of his 14 children. 422 00:26:09,257 --> 00:26:11,233 Four died in childbirth. 423 00:26:11,234 --> 00:26:14,566 So, this guy Starke kind of had a rough go. 424 00:26:14,567 --> 00:26:15,833 Yeah. 425 00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:18,708 He actually dies in 1915. 426 00:26:18,709 --> 00:26:22,669 I have the death certificate here. 427 00:26:24,218 --> 00:26:30,118 He's 89 years old, which in 1915, was quite an advanced age. 428 00:26:31,163 --> 00:26:33,167 Now, would they have been buried on the property? 429 00:26:33,168 --> 00:26:36,574 Yes, and in fact, there is a cemetery on the property, 430 00:26:36,575 --> 00:26:41,495 not far from the house that Robinson lived in. 431 00:26:44,846 --> 00:26:48,986 There's so much residual information. 432 00:26:52,755 --> 00:26:56,833 I know there's other deaths here because they're saying, like... 433 00:26:56,834 --> 00:26:59,185 Like, at one point, they show me, like, literally, like, 434 00:26:59,186 --> 00:27:03,026 the floors are covered in blood. 435 00:27:05,033 --> 00:27:10,132 For whatever reason, all the people that lived here... 436 00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:13,793 Met with darkness and tragedy. 437 00:27:20,536 --> 00:27:23,678 There were several entities that stood out during my walk. 438 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,681 But what has me the most concerned, 439 00:27:25,682 --> 00:27:29,857 is the bizarre scene I encountered in the basement. 440 00:27:29,858 --> 00:27:34,358 There were several dead black men laying. 441 00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:36,338 Mm-hmm. 442 00:27:36,339 --> 00:27:39,585 There's two black women. 443 00:27:39,586 --> 00:27:43,726 They're pouring water on the bodies. 444 00:27:46,975 --> 00:27:51,115 - Amy, is this what you saw? - Yes. 445 00:28:15,405 --> 00:28:18,669 Di Schiavi: After days of investigating our clients' property, 446 00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:21,697 Amy and I are ready to reveal what we found. 447 00:28:21,698 --> 00:28:23,832 Amy, I'd like you to meet Troy and Tysha. 448 00:28:23,833 --> 00:28:27,804 This is their house and property. It's very close to their hearts. 449 00:28:27,805 --> 00:28:30,985 Troy's family's had this property since the early 1930s. 450 00:28:30,986 --> 00:28:34,881 The only problem is Tysha and her two young boys, 451 00:28:34,882 --> 00:28:36,752 have been having health problems. 452 00:28:36,753 --> 00:28:39,060 And they want to know if there's any way they can stay. 453 00:28:39,061 --> 00:28:41,696 This house is very important to both of them. 454 00:28:41,697 --> 00:28:43,932 So, with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy, 455 00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:49,213 and have her talk about her walk for a little bit. 456 00:28:50,406 --> 00:28:55,544 Allan: When I first got here, there were like 15 dead people walking by the car. 457 00:28:55,545 --> 00:29:00,890 It was extremely stressful just how many there are on this property. 458 00:29:00,891 --> 00:29:04,514 And the main feelings that kind of permeates 459 00:29:04,515 --> 00:29:09,675 this entire area was sadness and despair and pain. 460 00:29:09,686 --> 00:29:15,220 And I did get that there were a lot of people buried here. 461 00:29:15,221 --> 00:29:19,181 Well, we have bouts of depression. 462 00:29:19,666 --> 00:29:21,586 Okay. 463 00:29:21,646 --> 00:29:26,372 Well, there have been a lot of people that have lived and died on this property. 464 00:29:26,373 --> 00:29:30,098 But this may influence what you saw, so I'm gonna hold off for now. 465 00:29:30,099 --> 00:29:32,019 Okay. 466 00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:36,222 When I was upstairs, I did meet two sisters. 467 00:29:36,223 --> 00:29:38,720 They were from the early 1900s. 468 00:29:38,721 --> 00:29:41,657 They owned this property at some point in time. 469 00:29:41,658 --> 00:29:44,859 And I felt sickness and death with them. 470 00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:47,857 One of the sisters had children who died. 471 00:29:47,858 --> 00:29:53,268 And I think that if people see them, they're just kind of like a mist. 472 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,797 Why don't you explain the mist to her? 473 00:29:55,798 --> 00:29:59,101 The mist I've seen has been kind of a black-color mist. 474 00:29:59,102 --> 00:30:01,153 Where did you see that? 475 00:30:01,154 --> 00:30:04,070 Right above this doorway. 476 00:30:04,071 --> 00:30:06,076 In the basement a lot, too. 477 00:30:06,077 --> 00:30:07,616 Okay. 478 00:30:07,617 --> 00:30:10,759 I could tell you about at least four people... 479 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,466 That I know that are buried on the land here. 480 00:30:13,467 --> 00:30:16,301 When you mentioned sisters... there was a guy named Starke Robinson 481 00:30:16,302 --> 00:30:18,901 who bought the property here and the house in 1870. 482 00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:21,116 He moved here with his wife, Ellen, 483 00:30:21,117 --> 00:30:24,677 who, within a year, actually passed away at a young age. 484 00:30:24,678 --> 00:30:28,552 About five years later, he married her sister... 485 00:30:28,553 --> 00:30:32,513 Elizabeth, who died in this house. 486 00:30:32,845 --> 00:30:35,703 - Now, you mentioned dead kids. - Mm-hmm. 487 00:30:35,704 --> 00:30:40,410 This guy had 14 children, seven of them which died before he did. 488 00:30:40,411 --> 00:30:43,439 - Four of them died at childbirth. - Geez. 489 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,138 So, Starke, his two wives, and one of the children are buried on the property. 490 00:30:49,139 --> 00:30:50,774 Wow. 491 00:30:50,775 --> 00:30:53,371 - That make sense? - Oh, yeah. 492 00:30:53,372 --> 00:30:56,107 The one thing that became apparent was that... 493 00:30:56,108 --> 00:31:00,651 Some of the dead from this house go over to the new house. 494 00:31:00,652 --> 00:31:03,216 Specifically, I saw two boys. 495 00:31:03,217 --> 00:31:07,342 And they're always running around, laughing, and just messing around. 496 00:31:07,343 --> 00:31:12,431 I got them being very active in the hallway over there and in your bedroom. 497 00:31:12,432 --> 00:31:14,134 Wow. 498 00:31:14,135 --> 00:31:15,711 That's part of the reason we're here, 499 00:31:15,712 --> 00:31:17,771 Troy and Tysha have been living here for 10 years. 500 00:31:17,772 --> 00:31:19,472 They lived seven years in this house. 501 00:31:19,473 --> 00:31:22,557 - Okay. - But things got so bad... 502 00:31:22,558 --> 00:31:26,161 They decided to build over there, but... 503 00:31:26,162 --> 00:31:29,570 Same things just continued to happen. 504 00:31:29,571 --> 00:31:30,675 Your son is seeing... 505 00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:34,303 - Apparitions of a little boy. - Yeah. Yeah. 506 00:31:34,304 --> 00:31:36,164 Wow. 507 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,059 Not good. 508 00:31:42,679 --> 00:31:44,388 What else did you see? 509 00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:49,266 So, when I went into the basement, which is not a good place... 510 00:31:49,267 --> 00:31:50,752 No. 511 00:31:50,753 --> 00:31:55,253 I saw 4 to 10 black men that were dead. 512 00:31:56,186 --> 00:31:58,845 They were all lined up, and they were extremely thin... 513 00:31:58,846 --> 00:32:02,665 Almost like the pictures from, like, the holocaust victims. 514 00:32:02,666 --> 00:32:07,703 And there were two women that were throwing water on their bodies. 515 00:32:07,704 --> 00:32:12,948 There are people down there that really hate white people. 516 00:32:12,949 --> 00:32:14,472 Well, it makes sense. 517 00:32:14,473 --> 00:32:18,379 Back in its heyday, this was a tobacco plantation. 518 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:19,748 Hmm. 519 00:32:19,749 --> 00:32:22,433 And from the 1830s up until around The Civil War, 520 00:32:22,434 --> 00:32:24,386 it was owned by the Burks family. 521 00:32:24,387 --> 00:32:27,503 They had up to 60 slaves. 522 00:32:27,504 --> 00:32:33,404 And the basement of this house was some of their living quarters. 523 00:32:34,597 --> 00:32:39,499 - To tell you how they were treated and... - I know how they were treated. 524 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,760 I sketched that scene in the basement. 525 00:32:48,852 --> 00:32:50,772 Geez. 526 00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:53,985 Take a look at that. 527 00:32:55,638 --> 00:32:57,498 Wow. 528 00:33:01,524 --> 00:33:05,647 I've always known that there were slaves on the premises... 529 00:33:05,648 --> 00:33:08,828 But it's sad to see that in the picture. 530 00:33:08,829 --> 00:33:10,188 It's sickening to me. 531 00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:11,893 Do you know why they were throwing water, 532 00:33:11,894 --> 00:33:14,097 because there were flies on them or something like that? 533 00:33:14,098 --> 00:33:17,734 - Maybe. I don't know. - Okay. 534 00:33:17,735 --> 00:33:21,009 These guys feel really uncomfortable down in that basement. 535 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:23,812 Is this the reason why they're feeling uncomfortable? 536 00:33:23,813 --> 00:33:29,713 Well, the thing is, is that the larger lady is still down there. 537 00:33:32,202 --> 00:33:34,071 She's very, very present. 538 00:33:34,072 --> 00:33:39,551 And she doesn't want anybody in there, especially if they're white. 539 00:33:39,552 --> 00:33:44,265 I'd never felt hatred like that from an entity in my life. 540 00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:48,708 One thing that she kept saying is that she wants the living to learn from history. 541 00:33:48,709 --> 00:33:51,681 And then she showed me children, 542 00:33:51,682 --> 00:33:55,107 and said that they were the only good thing in her life. 543 00:33:55,108 --> 00:33:57,665 And she didn't want people here. 544 00:33:57,666 --> 00:34:00,142 She didn't want to be here, because she knew when 545 00:34:00,143 --> 00:34:04,299 she got here that this was not a good place. 546 00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,580 A couple things you said, 547 00:34:05,581 --> 00:34:09,258 made me think of a slave that used to live here by the name of Louisa. 548 00:34:09,259 --> 00:34:11,259 She was about 45 years old. 549 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:15,897 And there was another slave by the name of Monroe who was about 18. 550 00:34:15,898 --> 00:34:18,774 Now, this slave was half white, half black. 551 00:34:18,775 --> 00:34:23,505 And the paperwork has them listed as being two runaways. 552 00:34:23,506 --> 00:34:27,031 They ran away at the same time, basically. 553 00:34:27,032 --> 00:34:29,597 Now, from what the historian I spoke to said, 554 00:34:29,598 --> 00:34:32,413 she was probably raped by one of the plantation owners. 555 00:34:32,414 --> 00:34:35,705 She had this child that was half black, half white... 556 00:34:35,706 --> 00:34:38,753 And they took a big chance and they ran away. 557 00:34:38,754 --> 00:34:43,228 Now, if you ran away back in those days on a plantation, you got caught... 558 00:34:43,229 --> 00:34:46,751 You were either sent to another plantation, which was a lot worse than here... 559 00:34:46,752 --> 00:34:49,430 They'd dismember you, or they kill you. 560 00:34:49,431 --> 00:34:51,581 That's really sad. 561 00:34:51,582 --> 00:34:55,357 Her presence is extremely dangerous... 562 00:34:55,358 --> 00:34:58,422 And incredibly powerful. 563 00:34:58,423 --> 00:35:01,753 She's also trying to give you guys warnings. 564 00:35:01,754 --> 00:35:03,463 What kind of warnings are we talking about? 565 00:35:03,464 --> 00:35:05,864 To get out. 566 00:35:09,251 --> 00:35:11,125 I was in extreme pain. 567 00:35:11,126 --> 00:35:15,419 I did feel that there was probably some physical abuse towards the adults here. 568 00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,602 You saw physical abuse towards the living adults here? 569 00:35:17,603 --> 00:35:19,463 Yes. 570 00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:24,335 It's not that she is doing it directly. 571 00:35:24,336 --> 00:35:27,403 She controls the dead here. 572 00:35:27,404 --> 00:35:31,740 Troy: We was redoing the room up there, and there was a lot of sheetrock... 573 00:35:31,741 --> 00:35:33,842 Like, couple thousand pounds. 574 00:35:33,843 --> 00:35:39,743 And it was all pushed against the wall, and the whole thing came over on me. 575 00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:43,811 My aches and pains have gotten worse, big-time. 576 00:35:43,812 --> 00:35:48,957 I shouldn't be feeling this beat down, like I'm 60-some years old. 577 00:35:48,958 --> 00:35:50,504 How about the kids? 578 00:35:50,505 --> 00:35:53,267 Do you think their health issues might have been related to the house? 579 00:35:53,268 --> 00:35:55,041 Oh, yeah. 580 00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:57,982 Yeah. Getting worse. 581 00:35:58,131 --> 00:36:03,260 One of them, he has autism, and the other one has Asperger's. 582 00:36:03,261 --> 00:36:05,151 And you've been in a lot of pain. 583 00:36:05,152 --> 00:36:08,341 Oh, yes. It's, like, all over. 584 00:36:08,342 --> 00:36:10,311 - Mm-hmm. - It gets worse. 585 00:36:10,312 --> 00:36:13,943 There's moments that it seems like I'm away from the property, it's not as bad. 586 00:36:13,944 --> 00:36:18,084 Well, she's extremely powerful, yeah. 587 00:36:21,409 --> 00:36:25,129 She is the hoodoo practitioner. 588 00:36:25,401 --> 00:36:27,128 What is hoodoo? 589 00:36:27,129 --> 00:36:29,297 Hoodoo comes from Africa. 590 00:36:29,298 --> 00:36:32,438 And it was certain tribes that had gone through the Christianization. 591 00:36:32,439 --> 00:36:34,520 When you first said that, I thought you meant Voodoo. 592 00:36:34,521 --> 00:36:36,537 No, Voodoo is a religion. 593 00:36:36,538 --> 00:36:42,118 Hoodoo is not a religion, but a system to place spells. 594 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,857 And she put them into place while she was alive, 595 00:36:47,858 --> 00:36:52,203 to ensure things would go the way she wanted them to in death. 596 00:36:52,204 --> 00:36:55,284 Because hoodoo is all about gaining power. 597 00:36:55,285 --> 00:36:57,228 And now she's got all this power... 598 00:36:57,229 --> 00:37:02,357 She's got all these dead people that she controls. 599 00:37:02,358 --> 00:37:05,517 And she had put a binding spell out. 600 00:37:05,518 --> 00:37:07,214 What do you mean by that? 601 00:37:07,215 --> 00:37:10,371 Well, I couldn't have full communication with the dead. 602 00:37:10,372 --> 00:37:12,557 Like, I couldn't talk about being whipped. 603 00:37:12,558 --> 00:37:15,979 I could not talk about what I was experiencing at the time. 604 00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:21,249 Which is weird, because her message is the main message that needs to be heard. 605 00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:24,636 Well, if she has a message she wants out, what is it? 606 00:37:24,637 --> 00:37:28,297 What does she want from them? 607 00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:32,690 She wants the house demolished. 608 00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:53,895 Allan: Her message is the main message that needs to be heard. 609 00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:57,028 Well, if she has a message she wants out, what is it? 610 00:37:57,029 --> 00:38:00,135 What does she want from them? 611 00:38:00,136 --> 00:38:03,856 She wants the house demolished. 612 00:38:09,278 --> 00:38:12,025 That ain't gonna happen. 613 00:38:12,026 --> 00:38:16,286 I'll just keep on with her, I guess. 614 00:38:16,448 --> 00:38:18,854 I'm not gonna tear nothing down. 615 00:38:18,855 --> 00:38:22,523 She's not the only one who feels this way. 616 00:38:22,524 --> 00:38:25,794 All of the dead want it gone. 617 00:38:25,795 --> 00:38:29,590 So, how many ghosts do we have? 618 00:38:29,591 --> 00:38:32,651 I would say hundreds. 619 00:38:34,765 --> 00:38:36,704 I'm... I'm very concerned. 620 00:38:36,705 --> 00:38:39,875 She wants this house gone. 621 00:38:39,876 --> 00:38:43,827 She's bound everybody else around her... all the other dead people. 622 00:38:43,828 --> 00:38:46,148 I'm keeping the house up. 623 00:38:46,149 --> 00:38:49,495 I'm not tearing my house down. 624 00:38:49,496 --> 00:38:52,428 I don't give up on anything. 625 00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:55,094 Plus you had plans on one day passing this on to your kids. 626 00:38:55,095 --> 00:38:56,451 Sure. 627 00:38:56,452 --> 00:38:59,952 I'll be damned if I let any kind of stuff like that stand, 628 00:38:59,953 --> 00:39:02,864 into anything that I got to do with my kids, you know? 629 00:39:02,865 --> 00:39:05,354 You know, you're like me in a way. You look pissed. 630 00:39:05,355 --> 00:39:08,837 Yeah. I'm a really hard-headed guy. 631 00:39:08,838 --> 00:39:13,000 And we'll butt heads for right now, I guess. 632 00:39:13,001 --> 00:39:16,812 If he wants to butt heads with this woman, what could happen? 633 00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:18,392 You're in for it. [ Chuckles ] 634 00:39:18,393 --> 00:39:21,438 Yeah. I'm not backing down from where I'm at right now. 635 00:39:21,439 --> 00:39:24,100 I've worked too hard to be where I'm at right now. 636 00:39:24,101 --> 00:39:27,646 I'd be letting a lot of my ancestors down. 637 00:39:27,647 --> 00:39:30,170 Tysha: I don't know. I mean, I'm really confused by the whole... 638 00:39:30,171 --> 00:39:32,484 You know, we've tried to protect this place, 639 00:39:32,485 --> 00:39:35,692 and everybody's tried to be respectful to the place. 640 00:39:35,693 --> 00:39:38,195 You're white. 641 00:39:38,196 --> 00:39:42,198 She won't listen to what you're saying. 642 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,448 Period. End of story. 643 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:48,709 Told you there was a lot more to it. 644 00:39:50,307 --> 00:39:55,345 This has been probably one of the most intense investigations we've done. 645 00:39:55,346 --> 00:39:58,118 And obviously, this has been a lot for you guys, 646 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,279 but the most pressing question here... 647 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,164 Is it safe for you to stay on your property and pass this house along to your kids? 648 00:40:05,165 --> 00:40:11,065 For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy, see if she has an answer for you. 649 00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:15,870 Obviously, the easiest way to go would be to demolish the house... 650 00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:18,954 Which it sounds like you're not going to do. 651 00:40:18,955 --> 00:40:22,945 So, my other suggestion would be to... 652 00:40:22,946 --> 00:40:25,445 Find a hoodoo practitioner. 653 00:40:25,446 --> 00:40:27,505 Because this is about gaining power. 654 00:40:27,506 --> 00:40:32,384 You get another hoodoo person in who would want to attain her power. 655 00:40:32,385 --> 00:40:35,436 And they're gonna take her with them. 656 00:40:35,437 --> 00:40:38,985 Because they're gonna then have access to her power. 657 00:40:38,986 --> 00:40:43,782 So, your advice to them is to get somebody that practices hoodoo that... 658 00:40:43,783 --> 00:40:46,396 Won't be afraid of this, but want the power? 659 00:40:46,397 --> 00:40:48,328 Right. Would want to take her. 660 00:40:48,329 --> 00:40:51,292 I mean, I don't think you look up the yellow pages for something like this. 661 00:40:51,293 --> 00:40:55,603 I mean, it is hard to find someone who practices true hoodoo. 662 00:40:55,604 --> 00:41:01,112 But maybe going to the universities, they might know practitioners. 663 00:41:01,113 --> 00:41:04,148 Okay. That's where we'll start, then. 664 00:41:04,149 --> 00:41:07,153 If we get this other one to come in here and kick her ass... 665 00:41:07,154 --> 00:41:10,207 Is all these other spirits that's underneath her, 666 00:41:10,208 --> 00:41:12,381 will they be let go and everything? 667 00:41:12,382 --> 00:41:14,242 Yes. 668 00:41:14,368 --> 00:41:16,529 Di Schiavi: Let me ask you a question about this house. 669 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:19,229 Should they stay away from this house until... 670 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:22,056 I'm not. I'm over here all the time. 671 00:41:22,057 --> 00:41:25,487 - You're not even gonna try to stay away? - No. Mm-mm. 672 00:41:25,488 --> 00:41:28,512 If I were you, I would probably be very, very, very careful 673 00:41:28,513 --> 00:41:31,032 if I came into this house. 674 00:41:31,033 --> 00:41:35,233 So, we'll take it a day at a time. 675 00:41:35,823 --> 00:41:39,898 So, are you guys gonna follow Amy's advice and find a hoodoo practitioner? 676 00:41:39,899 --> 00:41:41,624 Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. 677 00:41:41,625 --> 00:41:45,006 Oh, yeah. Tomorrow. Not gonna let her win. 678 00:41:45,007 --> 00:41:48,267 She's done too much damage already. 679 00:41:48,268 --> 00:41:51,468 Allan: I can't force Troy to do something he doesn't want to do, 680 00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:55,112 and I don't know if he fully understands what he's about to take on... 681 00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:57,986 But I'm afraid he's about to. 682 00:41:57,987 --> 00:42:03,887 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. Www.Addic7ed.Com. 683 00:42:03,937 --> 00:42:08,487 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 56614

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