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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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Narrator: Tonight on
"Dead Files Revisited"...
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He wants to kill me.
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Narrator: A second look at some of
Amy and Steve's most terrifying cases.
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If I heard that, I'd reach for my gun.
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New information.
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It was just disturbing.
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Narrator: Startling revelations.
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I felt like Amy could look into my soul.
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Narrator: First... [ groaning ]
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Narrator: A return to
Parkersburg, West Virginia...
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I want it to be over...
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Where a demonic Creature
tortures a family.
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We can't continue to live in fear.
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And Amy reveals the horrifying truth.
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Allan: He wants to hurt you.
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Narrator: Then we travel
back to Wichita, Kansas...
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It made my heart stop.
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Where evil lurks around every corner.
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He hates them, living or dead.
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Narrator: And the client
faces a grim reality.
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Is that me?
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Narrator: Did they
follow Amy's advice...
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You guys are gonna do this stuff?
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Or continue to live in fear?
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I have felt hopeless.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[ Echoing ] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Woman: I want to know the truth.
I want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[ Crying ] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: It takes a
lot to rattle my cage,
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but our investigation in Parkersburg,
West Virginia, still haunts me.
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Our client's family had been terrorized
by paranormal activity for years,
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especially her 17-year-old
daughter, Torie.
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I'll never forget the
look of fear in her eyes
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when Amy revealed what was
really going on in their house.
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Di Schiavi: Well, Tisha, tell
me why you called Amy and I in.
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We are having some
activity in the house.
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Some of us have been physically touched.
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The kids are scared.
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Well, just last night,
our oldest was hysterical,
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and I spent a lot of
the night consoling her.
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Tisha: I was at a place, as a Mom,
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where I had felt hopeless
about protecting my children.
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When there's something in
your house that you can't see
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and you don't even know what it is, you
can't really keep your kids safe from that.
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You think that whatever's here
can be harmful to you guys?
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We can't continue to live in fear.
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What's going on?
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Well, there was, like,
someone who was drowned.
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There's a male who's following us.
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Somehow, these two
incidents are related.
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I already sensed that
the house had a dark past,
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but I didn't even have
to walk in the front door
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to know that the man
protecting it was evil.
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He just keeps smiling, and the
smile is, like, really maniacal.
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He wants to kill me,
and he's waiting for me.
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Okay, what's going on up here?
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We're lying in bed at
night, and we hear sounds.
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They're usually coming from this floor.
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And it sounds like...
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[ Scraping ]
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- Just like that.
- That noisy?
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All night long.
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If I heard that, I'd reach
for my gun and come running up.
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Yeah.
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Tisha: Well, you can only imagine
the toll that it took on us.
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I was tired, the kids were
having trouble getting up
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and going to school
because of late nights.
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So, it took a huge toll on
our bodies and on our souls.
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There's, like, lots of [Bleep] people.
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Upstairs is just full of...
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Crying... and people...
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That really don't belong.
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I couldn't believe how many dead
people were trapped in that attic.
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But out of all of them,
one stood out from the rest.
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There's a dead little girl here.
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She stumbles into things all the time.
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Where does this happen...
that she bumps into things?
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All over the [Bleep] house.
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Jason, Tisha says you're a
skeptic. Is that accurate?
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I'm always trying to find the
logical, you know, explanations.
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But as time goes on and things happen,
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you know, you start to
run out of explanations.
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Di Schiavi: Usually, the man of the house
will play the skeptical card with me.
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Jason was no different.
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But once I pressed him,
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it wasn't long before he admitted
that he was also a believer.
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Did any experience that you
had here change your mind?
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Yes.
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I was shaving in the bathroom,
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and my daughter usually comes up, you
know, to give me a hug, and I felt that.
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And I looked around and
there was no one there.
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Is that the defining moment
that changed your attitude?
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- Oh, yes.
- Okay.
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There's a teenage boy here.
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And he's laughing, and he's a prankster.
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Does he do stuff to the living here?
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Yes.
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He watches them, always...
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Breathes on them...
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Likes to walk around and, like,
walking up right behind them.
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At first, I just assumed
that boy was nothing more
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than an entity who
liked causing trouble.
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But something about him was deceiving.
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And then I saw there was a
sinister side to his pranks.
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He likes to surprise them.
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Sometimes, like...
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Get in there and asphyxiate them.
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Di Schiavi: It was one thing to
hear Tisha and Jason's stories.
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But as a father,
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it was tough seeing how those
experiences were torturing their daughter.
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So, Torie, I was talking to Mom,
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and she told me you had a
pretty bad night last night.
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I was laying in bed, and I kept
hearing furniture moving upstairs.
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So, I called Mom and she
tried to calm me down,
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so I slept in the same
room as my grandpa.
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Torie: I was so scared
to sleep in my room
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that I would crawl in bed
with one of my family members.
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And being 17, that's really
embarrassing for me to,
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tell other people or my
friends about that, because...
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I don't want people to
make fun of me about it.
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Your Mother mentioned that she felt
like she was always being watched.
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- Oh, yeah.
- Where do you feel that?
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Definitely the bathroom
on the second floor.
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Just, when I take a shower, I
always got to open the curtain,
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look out, because I feel
like someone's standing there.
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That's when it starts.
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Allan: The boy from
upstairs... the prankster...
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He watches everything all the time.
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No privacy here. No. None. None.
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And he said, "I don't care
if they feel violated".
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It's really mean.
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You know, Torie, I have a daughter
myself. She's a little bit older than you.
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Couldn't imagine her going
through this every night.
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It's got to be tough on you.
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Okay. Wait a minute. [ Sniffles ]
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This is really scary. [ Crying ]
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And I worry about the kids all the time.
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I'm worried about my Mom, too.
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I want it to be over.
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Yes.
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- Narrator: Next...
- Oh [Bleep] it hurts.
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Narrator: Amy is under attack.
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I got to get him out. I got to...
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Narrator: And in our
second investigation...
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If you run, they're gonna follow you.
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Narrator: Lives are changed forever.
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For us, the final chapter
hasn't been written yet.
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Di Schiavi: After doing some
research on Tisha and Jason's house,
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I found out two people were killed
on the property about 100 years ago.
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And the cause of their
death was so bizarre,
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I tracked down a local
author to explain it to me.
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Little: In 1885, the
city of Parkersburg built
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two large water tanks on Quincy Hill.
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And then on march 19, 1909,
the South tank ruptured,
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and the force of the water
caused the North tank to rupture.
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2 million gallons of water just
instantly flooded Parkersburg.
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And there were a lot of homes
in the surrounding area that were
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ripped off their foundations and
thrown into the streets below.
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So, now, a young couple gets killed.
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Yes. Their house was swept
down into Avery Street.
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Were their bodies ever found?
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A few hours later,
their bodies were found.
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Their hands and arms
were over their mouths,
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as if they were trying to
get another breath of air.
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Wow.
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Allan: Like, seeing the water again.
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Shaking, and I'm
falling, and I'm falling.
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Like oh [Bleep]!
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Down, down.
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Covered up, covered up. Shh!
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All I could see around me was
death and destruction, and then...
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Oh [Bleep] it hurts. Aw...
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- Are you okay?
- Oh...
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An entity forced his way into my body
to make me experience his suffering.
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The pain was so unbearable, it took
every ounce of my strength to break free.
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[Bleep]
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I got to get him out. I got...
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I got to get him out of me.
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He just wants everybody to
know that he was [Bleep] killed.
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Di Schiavi: The water towers were
built by a prominent Parkersburg family.
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At the center of that family
was General John Jay Jackson...
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A well-respected man with an
impeccable military record.
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On paper, that sounds nice, but
after talking to a local historian,
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I learned that the General
wasn't always such a great guy.
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I came across the name of
a General John Jay Jackson.
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Yes. He was a Founding Father
of the city of Parkersburg.
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So, Bob, how did he make a living?
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In the 1840s, he purchased
a Parkersburg newspaper.
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And then soon thereafter, he
became involved in the oil industry.
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What kind of a businessman was he?
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Anytime you're buying land
and speculating, there's...
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Often controversy.
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And this certainly may have been
the case involving General Jackson.
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Okay. Now, what about family?
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Legend has it that his son...
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John Jay Junior, that had fallen
in love with a girl in Parkersburg,
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named Jane, whom he
planned to marry himself.
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However, this happened to be the
same Jane that his father married.
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So, he married the Jane that the
Son was looking to hook up with?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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Allan: So, now I'm seeing this guy, and
he's just wearing a long black duster.
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I was nervous being near that man again.
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I saw him when I first arrived at the
house, and he threatened to kill me.
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He was here from...
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Way back.
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Eighteen sixty's.
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And he was a prominent person.
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He...
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Was...
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Instrumental in this town's growth.
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All of a sudden, his body changed
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and he revealed himself to
me as a horrific Creature.
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An entity like this can be extremely
dangerous to both the living and the dead.
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So I knew I needed to
sketch him for our clients.
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He is very tall...
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And he is...
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Like a skeleton with a layer of skin.
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He's wearing a very
thick leather jacket.
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Is this who you saw?
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Yes.
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Narrator: Next...
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He wants to do harm.
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Oh, God.
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Narrator: Find out what
happened after the investigation.
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My Mom was screaming.
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In the name of the Father and the
Son and the Holy Spirit, get out!
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Di Schiavi: Amy, this is Tisha and
Jason. They're engaged to be married.
252
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They've been going through
some terrifying things.
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Torie, especially. Torie's
their oldest. She's 17.
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Tisha: I was so excited to see
Amy sitting at our kitchen table.
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I felt like, finally, finally,
we're going to have answers.
256
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And we're gonna have a
way to protect our kids.
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But I had one big concern...
that Amy was going to say,
258
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"you need to move out of your house".
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Allan: When I first
came onto the property...
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I saw that somebody had drowned.
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I already knew that the two water tanks
ruptured and flooded the town in 1909.
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Three people died from it.
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And they found them with their mouths
covered, as if to stop water from going in.
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But I never expected that Amy would
have seen that tragedy in such detail.
265
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And I felt, like, this
blow, then I heard...
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"Down, cover up, cover up".
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Di Schiavi: Anything else?
268
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Okay. So, there's two
people on the second floor.
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One is a younger girl.
270
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She tends to accidentally
bang into things.
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The other one is a younger male.
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He also likes the bathroom a lot.
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- He likes to be in there.
- Oh, God.
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Torie: When Amy told me that she discovered
the little boy in the bathroom...
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I got really emotional,
because I was worried.
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For myself and my siblings.
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If one of them had to go through this,
278
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I can only imagine how
hard it would be for them.
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[ Sniffles ]
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He watches all the time.
He wants to hurt you.
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Oh, God.
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Tisha: Seeing Torie break down
like that was very difficult.
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I didn't know what to say to her,
and I didn't know what to do for her.
284
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And at that moment, I
felt like I had failed.
285
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I failed my child.
286
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What else did you see?
287
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Allan: The other person...
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He is the man in the black coat.
289
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And he wanted to kill me.
290
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He's from the 1860s or '70s...
291
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And he was very instrumental
in creating this town.
292
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That sounds just like John Jay Jackson.
293
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He owned the property
that your house sits on.
294
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He was one of the Founding
Fathers, actually, of Parkersburg.
295
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Whoa.
296
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Do you think the apparition
you saw is General Jackson?
297
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Yes. Yes, I do.
298
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But he also showed me another side of
himself in a really dark, sinister way.
299
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I sketched him that way because
it really was disturbing.
300
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Take a look, guys.
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Ooh.
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He has no pupils.
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Torie: God. The man's eyes.
He didn't even have eyes.
304
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It was the creepiest
face I had ever seen.
305
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It just... when you look at it, you feel
a bad presence just even from the picture.
306
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It was just disturbing.
307
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Allan: He's a collector.
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With his life, all of the
collecting he did then of, like,
309
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maybe property and
money and all of this.
310
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The only thing in death that
you can really collect are souls.
311
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He and the little boy
are one in the same.
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He has this part of himself
that's this little boy...
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That can do all these horrible things.
314
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While his other self is
literally roaming the town.
315
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I know this is a lot of
information to digest in one night,
316
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but the most pressing question...
317
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Is it safe for your family to be here?
318
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I can't answer that, so for that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
319
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You have so much residual
energy here, it's ridiculous.
320
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So, the first thing
to do is a cleansing.
321
00:19:01,356 --> 00:19:03,155
Yeah.
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The other thing is, in each room,
323
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you're gonna take salt and throw
it in the four corners of each room.
324
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They're gonna all be attracted to this.
325
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This will cleanse all the residual
energy, and you're sealing the property,
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so nothing else negative can enter.
327
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Promise me you guys are
gonna do what she says.
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Tisha: Amy gave us the advice that we
needed to do the cleansing of the house.
329
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And I looked at Torie and said,
"that's it. It's getting done".
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As quickly as we could, we
were cleansing the house.
331
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We ask that all negativity
leave this space.
332
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You're no longer welcome in this home.
333
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Then we went into the basement, which
is a place that I had never gone before.
334
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We ask that all negative
energy leave this place today.
335
00:20:15,731 --> 00:20:19,429
You are no longer welcome in our home.
336
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Only love, light, and peace may enter.
337
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And doing the salt...
sweeping it out of the house.
338
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Torie: During the cleanse,
I was still scared,
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and the mood didn't
really change at all.
340
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And then we went into the bathroom,
341
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that I am terrified of,
and right when we walked in,
342
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I felt something pull on my hair.
343
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Mom, something just pulled on my hair.
344
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Okay. We're done.
345
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In the name of the Father and the
Son and the Holy Spirit, get out!
346
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We ask that all negative
energy leave our home.
347
00:20:58,816 --> 00:21:02,041
Leave our home! Leave us in peace!
348
00:21:02,042 --> 00:21:03,759
My Mom was screaming.
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Get out of our house! This is our home!
350
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She was telling it to get out of here
and it didn't belong in our house.
351
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Tisha: I was so angry.
352
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:18,259
Leave us alone. This is our home.
353
00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:19,740
Get out!
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00:21:19,741 --> 00:21:21,557
I knew he was there with us.
355
00:21:21,558 --> 00:21:24,460
And that just gave me
more energy and drive,
356
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to get the house cleansed
completely that day.
357
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:36,804
After the cleanse, this house
felt completely different.
358
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Everything felt lighter.
The house was warmer.
359
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It was an obvious change.
360
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Torie: Now I can sleep at night.
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I can go to the
bathroom without anybody,
362
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and I don't have to be
scared to be at home alone.
363
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:54,222
I'm not sure if it's a coincidence...
364
00:21:54,223 --> 00:21:57,840
But Jason and I have planned
our wedding four times.
365
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He has canceled it three times.
366
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Since the cleansing, he's
in a much better mood,
367
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and we were finally
married two weeks ago.
368
00:22:09,259 --> 00:22:11,220
Allan: Tisha and Torie
have taken the right steps
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to release the dead from their home.
370
00:22:13,557 --> 00:22:17,560
But they should continue the
cleansings on a regular basis.
371
00:22:17,561 --> 00:22:20,104
The man in the black
coat is still out there,
372
00:22:20,105 --> 00:22:25,085
and there is no telling
when he's coming back.
373
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Di Schiavi: A couple in
Wichita, Kansas, called us in
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to investigate frightening
activity on their property.
375
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Turns out the problem wasn't just
their building, it was one of them.
376
00:22:47,745 --> 00:22:50,009
And even though Amy
and I were able to help,
377
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this is one story that's far from over.
378
00:22:53,157 --> 00:22:55,479
Di Schiavi: Jeff, you sounded
concerned on the phone.
379
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,153
Well, I am concerned.
380
00:22:57,154 --> 00:22:59,664
You know, really, I'm fighting
to save two businesses here.
381
00:22:59,665 --> 00:23:02,071
- My wife has the salon here in front.
- Okay.
382
00:23:02,072 --> 00:23:03,888
And then I have my
garage here at the back.
383
00:23:03,889 --> 00:23:05,323
Give me an idea of what's going on.
384
00:23:05,324 --> 00:23:08,898
We've heard things, we've
been touched, pushed.
385
00:23:08,899 --> 00:23:11,100
I'd like my kids to be able
to take over the business.
386
00:23:11,101 --> 00:23:13,770
But right now, I'm not even
comfortable having them in there.
387
00:23:13,771 --> 00:23:15,689
Jeff: This is a big part of our lives.
388
00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:20,109
We've spent so much money and so
much effort building this business up,
389
00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:22,946
and we've been very successful here,
390
00:23:22,947 --> 00:23:25,949
so it would be very difficult
just to pull up and move.
391
00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:28,920
What about yourself... have you ever
seen anything or experienced anything?
392
00:23:28,921 --> 00:23:30,787
I just finished working
on some vehicles.
393
00:23:30,788 --> 00:23:32,686
- Okay.
- And I looked up and saw it.
394
00:23:32,687 --> 00:23:35,381
Looked like an older gentleman, maybe.
395
00:23:35,382 --> 00:23:38,929
I'm guessing him to be in his
mid to late 50s, with a beard.
396
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:40,430
All of us went inside.
397
00:23:40,431 --> 00:23:45,231
We found out that there
was nobody in there.
398
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,400
Okay.
399
00:23:58,282 --> 00:24:00,862
[ Gate creaks ]
400
00:24:01,335 --> 00:24:03,286
Allan: There's one kind of creepy dude.
401
00:24:03,287 --> 00:24:06,278
He's kind of like a greaser dude.
402
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,029
And he likes his area.
403
00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:12,061
To me, he's, like, just
a tough guy, you know?
404
00:24:12,062 --> 00:24:16,351
He's like, "I'm tough.
I'm bad. I'm big. I'm bad".
405
00:24:16,352 --> 00:24:21,390
During my walks, I often encounter
entities who act very territorial.
406
00:24:21,391 --> 00:24:26,405
Usually, it's because they want to
protect their space, but the greaser guy...
407
00:24:26,406 --> 00:24:29,977
He wanted revenge on the
people who had invaded his home.
408
00:24:29,978 --> 00:24:33,887
Like, would you say that he's dangerous?
409
00:24:33,888 --> 00:24:35,748
Yes.
410
00:24:36,821 --> 00:24:39,143
He's kind of [Bleep] up.
411
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,548
Narrator: Next...
412
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He can get physical.
413
00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:43,880
Narrator: Amy has a sickening encounter.
414
00:24:43,881 --> 00:24:47,961
It's, like, really hurting my head.
415
00:25:02,061 --> 00:25:04,223
Di Schiavi: Amy and I
were investigating not one,
416
00:25:04,224 --> 00:25:07,727
but two family-run businesses,
both on the same property.
417
00:25:07,728 --> 00:25:10,730
The activity had gotten so
bad that the owner, Jeff,
418
00:25:10,731 --> 00:25:15,714
was concerned that his reputation
wasn't the only thing in danger.
419
00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:17,737
Di Schiavi: So, what's going on in here?
420
00:25:17,738 --> 00:25:20,339
Jeff: I remember a time I was
leaned over the back of a car,
421
00:25:20,340 --> 00:25:24,635
and then suddenly someone
whispers in my ear.
422
00:25:24,636 --> 00:25:27,980
I stand up. There was nothing in here.
423
00:25:27,981 --> 00:25:29,649
Anything else, Jeff?
424
00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:33,295
We started to notice that
tools would come up missing.
425
00:25:33,296 --> 00:25:36,408
If you can't find them,
you can't work with them.
426
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:40,522
Do you think that anything that's
going on in the garage can be dangerous?
427
00:25:40,523 --> 00:25:41,892
Yes.
428
00:25:41,893 --> 00:25:44,220
Jeff: I was really worried
about everyone's safety.
429
00:25:44,221 --> 00:25:46,250
Because I felt like,
430
00:25:46,251 --> 00:25:49,526
if it could move something small
or throw, like, a roll of tape,
431
00:25:49,527 --> 00:25:54,774
that it could definitely
throw something big or sharp.
432
00:25:54,775 --> 00:25:57,476
He doesn't want anybody in
his space. He hates them.
433
00:25:57,477 --> 00:26:02,484
Living or dead, he just doesn't
want anybody in this space.
434
00:26:02,485 --> 00:26:05,184
Some people think of the
dead as transparent beings
435
00:26:05,185 --> 00:26:08,126
who have very little
interaction with our world.
436
00:26:08,127 --> 00:26:12,542
That's somewhat correct, but the stronger
ones can actually break the physical plane.
437
00:26:12,543 --> 00:26:18,254
And if provoked, they can touch the living,
move objects, or do something worse.
438
00:26:18,255 --> 00:26:21,234
He can get physical if he wants to...
439
00:26:21,235 --> 00:26:24,169
Grabbing or pushing.
440
00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:26,309
- Okay.
- Likes to throw things.
441
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:28,109
Could he hurt anybody?
442
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:31,950
I think he... I think he could.
443
00:26:34,562 --> 00:26:37,319
Di Schiavi: Jeff had his fair
share of problems on the property,
444
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,062
but he wasn't the type
of guy to just run away.
445
00:26:40,063 --> 00:26:42,780
His wife, on the other
hand, was ready to split.
446
00:26:42,781 --> 00:26:44,753
But soon, we were all about to find out
447
00:26:44,754 --> 00:26:50,094
there was no way she could
have run away from this.
448
00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:57,453
So, Emily, I was talking to your husband,
Jeff, and he basically said you're ready
449
00:26:57,454 --> 00:27:00,805
to put the "for sale" sign on this place
and get out of here. What's going on?
450
00:27:00,806 --> 00:27:05,436
From the first time we unlocked the door
here, it's never felt like it's been ours.
451
00:27:05,437 --> 00:27:06,795
Why do you say that?
452
00:27:06,796 --> 00:27:12,696
Stuff moves, people get pushed, you
hear people whisper in your ears.
453
00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:15,747
Okay, so you're losing business
because of what's going on?
454
00:27:15,748 --> 00:27:17,581
Absolutely.
455
00:27:17,582 --> 00:27:19,698
Emily: So many people
have had experiences here.
456
00:27:19,699 --> 00:27:21,861
It's a small town, and word gets around.
457
00:27:21,862 --> 00:27:27,088
So, I don't want to get a bad
name for being the haunted salon.
458
00:27:27,089 --> 00:27:29,127
I'd love for it all to stop and go away,
459
00:27:29,128 --> 00:27:32,964
but I just don't know if
that's what's gonna happen.
460
00:27:32,965 --> 00:27:35,366
All right, so you feel that
whatever's here wants you out?
461
00:27:35,367 --> 00:27:37,647
Absolutely.
462
00:27:41,974 --> 00:27:46,828
Allan: There's a lot of
stuff coming in from outside.
463
00:27:46,829 --> 00:27:51,449
I'm, like, seeing
this woman who's alive.
464
00:27:51,499 --> 00:27:54,846
The dead are just, like, following her.
465
00:27:54,847 --> 00:27:58,147
And then they're inside.
466
00:27:58,657 --> 00:28:00,685
That was the moment I realized,
467
00:28:00,686 --> 00:28:05,830
the dead there were attracted to a
specific person for a very specific reason.
468
00:28:05,831 --> 00:28:07,665
Why are they following her?
469
00:28:07,666 --> 00:28:10,909
Because she has abilities.
470
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:13,450
Di Schiavi: Okay, so
what's going on here?
471
00:28:13,451 --> 00:28:15,713
Emily: My daughter talks
about seeing things.
472
00:28:15,714 --> 00:28:19,869
She even drew a picture of, like,
a black figure with red eyes,
473
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:21,865
and she said that's
something she saw here.
474
00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:23,948
- Where's the picture?
- I threw it away immediately.
475
00:28:23,949 --> 00:28:27,719
It made my heart stop, because I
don't want to be putting her in danger.
476
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,087
Emily, your daughter's 9?
477
00:28:29,088 --> 00:28:32,350
Yes. I want to preserve her innocence.
478
00:28:32,351 --> 00:28:34,423
I don't want her to be scared.
479
00:28:34,424 --> 00:28:36,344
Okay.
480
00:28:39,087 --> 00:28:41,441
Allan: This is creepy.
481
00:28:41,442 --> 00:28:43,112
Anderson: What is?
482
00:28:43,113 --> 00:28:44,692
The thing that's in here.
483
00:28:44,693 --> 00:28:48,472
It makes me feel
uncomfortable and scared.
484
00:28:48,473 --> 00:28:52,673
It looked like... like a Grim Reaper.
485
00:28:53,378 --> 00:28:56,214
The classic image of
death is the Grim Reaper...
486
00:28:56,215 --> 00:28:59,516
A skeleton wearing a dark
cloak and carrying a sickle,
487
00:28:59,517 --> 00:29:02,982
but I know death looks
nothing like that.
488
00:29:02,983 --> 00:29:06,388
But I think it's, you know,
just a regular dead person.
489
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:11,996
So, when I saw a Reaper, I knew it was only
a projection meant to scare the living.
490
00:29:11,997 --> 00:29:15,409
And the person hiding
behind that illusion...
491
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:18,274
Was the greaser man.
492
00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:21,195
Now I'm picking up on his death state,
493
00:29:21,196 --> 00:29:25,209
and feeling everything that
he went through physically.
494
00:29:25,210 --> 00:29:28,512
It's, like, really hurting my head.
495
00:29:28,513 --> 00:29:30,915
I just feel very, very sick.
496
00:29:30,916 --> 00:29:32,667
You gonna be all right?
497
00:29:32,668 --> 00:29:35,319
I'm out of it. Like,
my equilibrium's off.
498
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,200
I'm... disoriented.
499
00:29:39,024 --> 00:29:42,144
It [Bleep] hurts, man.
500
00:29:43,028 --> 00:29:44,331
Narrator: Next...
501
00:29:44,332 --> 00:29:46,429
I think the death is suspicious.
502
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:48,632
Steve follows a trail of tragedy.
503
00:29:48,633 --> 00:29:50,356
Were you surprised when
they found him dead?
504
00:29:50,357 --> 00:29:53,201
And what happened
after the investigation?
505
00:29:53,202 --> 00:29:57,042
I wasn't expecting that at all.
506
00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:12,827
Di Schiavi: Emily and Jeff ran two
businesses out of their property.
507
00:30:12,828 --> 00:30:15,830
But before that, it was
just a residential home.
508
00:30:15,831 --> 00:30:18,341
My first move was to meet
with the former owner.
509
00:30:18,342 --> 00:30:22,369
Talking to her, it sounded like
anyone who spent time at that house...
510
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:24,950
Wound up dead.
511
00:30:32,881 --> 00:30:36,671
Di Schiavi: Cheryl, I got called
in to investigate your old home.
512
00:30:36,672 --> 00:30:39,149
- How long did you live there?
- About five years.
513
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:42,208
What did you use the garage
for, or was it always a garage?
514
00:30:42,209 --> 00:30:46,799
We did a lot of hangouts
with friends in there.
515
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,396
People came by every
day, and it was like...
516
00:30:51,397 --> 00:30:53,320
They lived there.
517
00:30:53,321 --> 00:30:55,084
People that are living
there now are claiming
518
00:30:55,085 --> 00:30:57,164
there's a lot of paranormal
activity going on.
519
00:30:57,165 --> 00:30:58,931
Did you ever experience
anything like that?
520
00:30:58,932 --> 00:31:01,368
We lost three of our dear
friends within a year.
521
00:31:01,369 --> 00:31:02,983
- Really?
- Right.
522
00:31:02,984 --> 00:31:04,771
This is Kevin.
523
00:31:04,772 --> 00:31:09,342
Kevin was hit by a car on his
motorcycle, and he was killed instantly.
524
00:31:09,343 --> 00:31:13,613
And then we lost Tony. He
had a stroke and he died.
525
00:31:13,614 --> 00:31:17,750
And then we had Mark. He had previously
lived in the basement of that house.
526
00:31:17,751 --> 00:31:19,342
And what did he die of?
527
00:31:19,343 --> 00:31:21,181
He had some problems and some issues,
528
00:31:21,182 --> 00:31:25,596
and he lived in an apartment complex that
had a lot of people that did drugs in it.
529
00:31:25,597 --> 00:31:29,137
Whatever he was doing, he just
looked worse every time I saw him.
530
00:31:29,138 --> 00:31:33,278
He went to bed and didn't wake up.
531
00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:36,550
Were you surprised when
they found him dead?
532
00:31:36,551 --> 00:31:38,351
No.
533
00:31:43,377 --> 00:31:46,045
Allan: The greaser dude...
534
00:31:46,046 --> 00:31:51,086
He's tall, he's wearing a
black, like, '50s biker jacket.
535
00:31:51,087 --> 00:31:55,647
He killed himself when
he was intoxicated.
536
00:31:56,403 --> 00:32:00,167
Now that I knew how the man
had died, I was concerned.
537
00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:04,054
He needed to leave that location,
and only I could help him.
538
00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:08,391
Unfortunately, his temper was
the one thing getting in my way.
539
00:32:08,392 --> 00:32:11,812
He's mad and walked away.
540
00:32:15,633 --> 00:32:19,593
He's not gonna talk to me again.
541
00:32:20,985 --> 00:32:22,978
Di Schiavi: At this point,
I had three deaths that
542
00:32:22,979 --> 00:32:25,742
were loosely connected
to Jeff and Emily's place.
543
00:32:25,743 --> 00:32:28,910
But I wanted to know if anyone
had actually died on the property.
544
00:32:28,911 --> 00:32:30,818
A local journalist gave me just that...
545
00:32:30,819 --> 00:32:33,357
A former owner who fell down the stairs.
546
00:32:33,358 --> 00:32:35,267
Her choice of a meeting spot was odd.
547
00:32:35,268 --> 00:32:40,728
But as soon as I got there,
I understood the meaning.
548
00:32:47,665 --> 00:32:51,441
Maria: This is actually
where Helen Hillman is buried.
549
00:32:51,442 --> 00:32:54,797
She was married when she was 19 in 1917.
550
00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:58,425
Then they moved from Arkansas to
right outside of Wichita, Kansas,
551
00:32:58,426 --> 00:33:00,482
on the property that
you're investigating.
552
00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:03,365
Now, what were you able to find out
about the circumstances of her death?
553
00:33:03,366 --> 00:33:08,660
Well, according to her death
certificate, it's a massive head injury.
554
00:33:08,661 --> 00:33:12,195
Even though she was 79, according to
her descendent, she was in good health.
555
00:33:12,196 --> 00:33:14,891
She was active, she lived independently.
556
00:33:14,892 --> 00:33:16,727
All right, so it was
odd the way she died.
557
00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:19,329
She had lived in that house for so long,
558
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:22,188
and the distance between
the stairs and the floor
559
00:33:22,189 --> 00:33:24,835
wouldn't be enough to
kill someone, typically.
560
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:27,387
I don't know if that fall
can cause injuries like that.
561
00:33:27,388 --> 00:33:32,788
Yes, and that's why I think
the death is suspicious.
562
00:33:33,211 --> 00:33:36,382
Allan: There's another person.
563
00:33:36,383 --> 00:33:39,923
I think she broke her neck.
564
00:33:41,105 --> 00:33:45,722
Early to mid '70s...
that's when she died.
565
00:33:45,723 --> 00:33:49,503
Phew! She was dead, like, fast.
566
00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:56,517
Oh, God, it [Bleep] hurts.
567
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:08,344
When I do a sketch, the idea is to put
a face to one of the entities I saw.
568
00:34:08,345 --> 00:34:11,347
But sometimes I need to
take it to the next level.
569
00:34:11,348 --> 00:34:14,014
And in this case, I wanted
to show how one of the living
570
00:34:14,015 --> 00:34:16,853
was the source of that
property's problems.
571
00:34:16,854 --> 00:34:21,954
I saw this woman at the
door, about to open it.
572
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:25,602
Behind her...
573
00:34:25,603 --> 00:34:29,023
Is this really tall man...
574
00:34:29,341 --> 00:34:33,721
And he is wearing, like, a black cloak.
575
00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:42,215
Hey, Amy, is this what you saw?
576
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,779
Yes.
577
00:34:45,782 --> 00:34:47,342
Narrator: Coming up next...
578
00:34:47,343 --> 00:34:48,382
He wants you out.
579
00:34:48,383 --> 00:34:50,821
Amy exposes a disturbing secret...
580
00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:53,577
Is there a reason why
you're running from it?
581
00:34:53,578 --> 00:34:56,735
Narrator: That changes the
clients' lives forever...
582
00:34:56,736 --> 00:34:59,237
For us, the final chapter
hasn't been written yet.
583
00:34:59,238 --> 00:35:01,298
All negativity must leave.
584
00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:05,319
Narrator: On "Dead Files Revisited".
585
00:35:26,513 --> 00:35:28,848
Di Schiavi: This is Emily and Jeff.
586
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:31,183
Jeff actually runs the garage here.
587
00:35:31,184 --> 00:35:34,186
Emily runs the salon up front.
588
00:35:34,187 --> 00:35:35,832
Emily: When I first met Amy,
589
00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:39,199
I felt like she could look into my
soul when I looked into her eyes.
590
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,258
Her green eyes kind of just felt
like they looked right through you.
591
00:35:43,259 --> 00:35:49,031
Allan: When I started my walk, I came
into contact with this creepy male.
592
00:35:49,032 --> 00:35:54,672
His hair is greased back. He
hates anybody in his space.
593
00:35:55,380 --> 00:36:00,049
When he gets upset, he likes to
yell, he likes to throw things.
594
00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:01,894
Di Schiavi: Of all the
deaths on that property,
595
00:36:01,895 --> 00:36:04,958
the guy Amy described
reminded me of Mark.
596
00:36:04,959 --> 00:36:09,762
He actually lived in the
basement of your salon.
597
00:36:09,763 --> 00:36:12,164
And Jeff agreed with me.
598
00:36:12,165 --> 00:36:14,103
This guy look familiar at all?
599
00:36:14,104 --> 00:36:17,411
Yeah. I remember distinctly seeing this.
600
00:36:17,412 --> 00:36:20,797
Jeff: When Steve took that
out, I connected with the eyes.
601
00:36:20,798 --> 00:36:24,083
He had the distinct
glare, looking down at us.
602
00:36:24,084 --> 00:36:26,980
I honestly thought that it
wasn't safe to stay here.
603
00:36:26,981 --> 00:36:30,599
Would he hurt me or somebody out
here or is he just trying to scare us?
604
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,270
No. He wants to hurt
you. He wants you out.
605
00:36:35,271 --> 00:36:37,606
So, what else did you see on your walk?
606
00:36:37,607 --> 00:36:40,558
A woman up in the attic area.
607
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,299
Her death was so fast
and extremely painful.
608
00:36:45,543 --> 00:36:50,103
And I did get that she died in the '70s.
609
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:54,674
There's a woman... Helen Hillman... who
lived in the house that your salon is in.
610
00:36:54,675 --> 00:36:57,380
1977 is when she died.
611
00:36:57,381 --> 00:37:01,245
She fell down the
steps into the basement.
612
00:37:01,246 --> 00:37:03,043
Wow.
613
00:37:03,044 --> 00:37:07,052
Emily: That was really sad,
knowing that someone has died here.
614
00:37:07,053 --> 00:37:09,149
By falling down the staircase.
615
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:14,850
That's horrible to think of...
falling to your own death.
616
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:17,231
So, what else did you get on the walk?
617
00:37:17,232 --> 00:37:19,827
Allan: What I saw was...
618
00:37:19,828 --> 00:37:22,661
Your typical Grim Reaper.
619
00:37:22,662 --> 00:37:28,270
So, as I'm looking deeper, I can
feel and tell that it's a dead male...
620
00:37:28,271 --> 00:37:31,720
That he... hid in life a lot.
621
00:37:31,721 --> 00:37:34,875
And now he's hiding again in death.
622
00:37:34,876 --> 00:37:38,111
Basically, he wants to cause pain...
623
00:37:38,112 --> 00:37:40,447
And to hurt people.
624
00:37:40,448 --> 00:37:42,949
I could tell my findings
about the Grim Reaper
625
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:45,449
were definitely
startling Jeff and Emily.
626
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:50,319
Unfortunately, my most troubling
revelation was yet to come.
627
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,661
The other thing that
I saw was a sensitive...
628
00:37:54,662 --> 00:37:57,745
Who lets the dead into the main house.
629
00:37:57,746 --> 00:38:00,113
They just kind of follow her in.
630
00:38:00,114 --> 00:38:03,894
This includes the Grim Reaper guy.
631
00:38:03,895 --> 00:38:05,671
Emily: I was ready for just...
632
00:38:05,672 --> 00:38:09,006
This is what happened, this is
the facts, this is what we saw.
633
00:38:09,007 --> 00:38:11,512
And bless the place, and it's over.
634
00:38:11,513 --> 00:38:14,180
And that's not what it was all about.
635
00:38:14,181 --> 00:38:17,684
Amy went deeper and found out more.
636
00:38:17,685 --> 00:38:20,902
Allan: I did do a
sketch of what I saw...
637
00:38:20,903 --> 00:38:26,250
As far as this individual leading
several dead people into the house.
638
00:38:26,251 --> 00:38:28,111
Hmm.
639
00:38:32,803 --> 00:38:35,203
Is that me?
640
00:38:39,322 --> 00:38:42,938
What kind of experiences have you had?
641
00:38:42,939 --> 00:38:44,979
A lot.
642
00:38:45,381 --> 00:38:47,288
Emily: It kind of took
my breath away at first.
643
00:38:47,289 --> 00:38:49,567
I've never shared this
with anyone before.
644
00:38:49,568 --> 00:38:51,303
It's not something
you really talk about.
645
00:38:51,304 --> 00:38:57,099
I didn't want to look upon
as being a freak or something.
646
00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:02,500
Allan: Is there a reason
why you're running from it?
647
00:39:02,665 --> 00:39:07,604
It's something that, if you
run, they're gonna follow you.
648
00:39:07,605 --> 00:39:11,086
And it's hereditary.
It runs in families.
649
00:39:11,087 --> 00:39:14,567
I see it with my daughter.
650
00:39:15,838 --> 00:39:18,930
Di Schiavi: The most important question
is, is it gonna be safe for you guys,
651
00:39:18,931 --> 00:39:22,929
your employees, customers,
most importantly, your family?
652
00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:26,453
The first thing is to take
care of the girl in the attic.
653
00:39:26,454 --> 00:39:30,365
Get some Sage and some salt. Go ahead
and Sage the building inside and out,
654
00:39:30,366 --> 00:39:32,692
then taking the salt...
655
00:39:32,693 --> 00:39:37,639
And drawing a line all around the
outside of the building, as well.
656
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,444
What about the Grim
Reaper and the greaser guy?
657
00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:45,565
So, the greaser guy and the Grim
Reaper are actually the same person.
658
00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:49,167
Occasionally, I'll meet a dead person...
659
00:39:49,168 --> 00:39:52,468
That forms an attachment.
660
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:55,218
So...
661
00:39:55,219 --> 00:39:59,591
I'm going to go ahead
and take him home with me.
662
00:39:59,592 --> 00:40:03,332
I try not to make it a habit of
removing entities from a location.
663
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:06,619
But Jeff and Emily couldn't
handle that guy on their own.
664
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:10,168
He needed someone like
me to help him move on.
665
00:40:10,169 --> 00:40:13,206
You need to learn how to
control your environment
666
00:40:13,207 --> 00:40:16,213
and your daughter's environment so
she can protect herself, as well.
667
00:40:16,214 --> 00:40:22,114
You gonna be alright doing this with your
daughter, you gonna be comfortable with it?
668
00:40:37,085 --> 00:40:38,486
Jeff: The night after the reveal,
669
00:40:38,487 --> 00:40:43,407
we immediately went and
performed the cleansing.
670
00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,365
Emily was definitely overwhelmed,
671
00:40:46,366 --> 00:40:50,130
knowing that she had the
power to remove these things.
672
00:40:50,131 --> 00:40:52,632
So, that's just a lot of weight
on a person's shoulders...
673
00:40:52,633 --> 00:40:56,390
To know that it's their
job to move these things on.
674
00:40:56,391 --> 00:41:00,040
Emily: All negativity
must leave this location.
675
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:03,877
I was very concerned. I just didn't
want to put anyone in jeopardy.
676
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:09,278
I didn't want to cause
anyone fear or pain or hurt.
677
00:41:10,097 --> 00:41:14,264
It's very interesting, but since the
cleansing, we've had more activity.
678
00:41:14,265 --> 00:41:17,821
Stuff moves, you hear
people whisper in your ears.
679
00:41:17,822 --> 00:41:20,136
It's very scary.
680
00:41:20,137 --> 00:41:25,856
Jeff: As we saw things still
progress, we did more cleansings.
681
00:41:25,857 --> 00:41:31,757
We've done two more since then, and we're
working to continue to cleanse the house.
682
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:34,992
Emily: I do feel the pressure
that I'm the one that needs to help
683
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:37,453
these spirits or these
entities pass over.
684
00:41:37,454 --> 00:41:40,882
Only light, love, and peace
may enter this location.
685
00:41:40,883 --> 00:41:44,063
And that's very heavy.
686
00:41:46,784 --> 00:41:49,246
Jeff: For us, the final
chapter hasn't been written yet.
687
00:41:49,247 --> 00:41:53,417
Emily's gonna have to learn
to work with these things.
688
00:41:53,418 --> 00:41:59,318
This is a lifelong process that she and my
daughter have to both be able to do this.
689
00:41:59,924 --> 00:42:03,164
No negativity may enter.
690
00:42:03,422 --> 00:42:09,322
And these cleansings are just
going to be a part of life now.
691
00:42:11,457 --> 00:42:14,007
Allan: I'm still concerned
about Jeff and Emily.
692
00:42:14,008 --> 00:42:18,179
Regular cleansings might eventually
help calm things down here,
693
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:21,632
but learning to control your
abilities is a lifelong struggle.
694
00:42:21,633 --> 00:42:25,713
And Emily's journey has just begun.
695
00:42:25,738 --> 00:42:31,638
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