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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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It feels like we're on its territory.
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It's pissed.
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My daughter just told me she was gonna die.
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It's bad. There was blood all over.
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Do you have any idea how they died?
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It crashed head on into the
waiting freight train.
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I hear something snap, crunch.
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I would burn this place to the ground.
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There's warfare going on.
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They want to kill me.
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[ Crickets chirping ]
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We shouldn't be here.
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They're being watched.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This thing likes death.
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I see dead people.
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This thing's, like, a monster.
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I speak to dead people.
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And he's pissed off now.
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And they speak to me.
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His head was cracked.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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This guy was murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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I cannot help you unless
I know the whole story.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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You saw her?
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Why would you stay here?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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[ Echoing ] Stop it.
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We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
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I want to know the truth. I
want to know what's happening.
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Or time to get out.
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[ Crying ] I told you there
were ghosts in this house.
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Di Schiavi: Amy and I work
independently of one another.
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I gather evidence, interview witnesses, and
dig into the history of each location.
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When we're done, we reveal our findings
to the clients and each other.
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I'm down in Browns Summit, North
Carolina, just outside of Greensboro.
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I'm on my way to meet a woman named Sheila.
She sounds scared to death.
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She says something in the house is
making her family sick, and even worse,
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it's attacking her daughter,
who has special needs.
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I'm hoping Amy and I can help her out.
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Anderson: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for anything that could
influence her findings.
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This is clearly a family's home,
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so I have to remove all the
photographs and personal items...
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To clear the location for tonight's walk.
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My opening... I went to the graveyard,
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and I saw there was a swing, and
there was a little boy on it.
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Then this older man comes in.
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He's like in his 60s.
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And he just comes up to him and smacks him.
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And then he starts beating the kid up.
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But while he's doing that, he,
like, morphs into a younger man.
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There was abuse towards children.
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I don't like this area, though.
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This was bad.
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Di Schiavi: Well, Sheila,
now that I'm here,
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why don't you tell me a little
bit about what's going on?
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Well, we've been here for 25 years.
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Okay.
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And we've always noticed footsteps in the
house, hearing things, seeing things.
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And then my daughter Amber started getting
sick, and then Carrie was born sick.
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Carrie is special-needs.
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She's had 19 surgeries, and 14 of
those have been brain surgeries.
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Oh, geez.
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But since a few months ago, it's
just taken a very negative turn.
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Okay, in what way?
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It's becoming very physical.
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Carrie has been seeing things.
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She kept saying she was gonna be
whipped and she was gonna be burned.
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She has visions of being nailed to a cross.
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She's terrified to open her eyes.
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Okay.
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Just the other night, she
hadn't spoke all day,
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and the only thing she said was, "ghost".
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She's terrified.
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If my partner, Amy, told you, "you got to
get out of this house," what would you do?
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We can't afford to leave.
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We're very spiritual people,
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and I really do believe that we're
dealing with something evil.
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But we're determined to get through this.
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Okay.
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Oh, my God.
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Anderson: What do you see?
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This dog thing.
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I can feel it, like, pushing
on me, like, panting.
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Like, kind of growling.
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What sort of things can it do to people?
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I think it's one of these
dogs that kill people.
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I've never encountered anything like this.
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It looks like a mythical
creature from hell.
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I don't want to get any
closer because I have no
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idea what this thing is
capable of doing to us.
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I mean, it's all black...
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Real solid black, real thick.
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My heart's pounding because I'm nervous.
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[ Chuckles ]
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So, why did you bring me into this room?
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I wanted to show you a picture of Carrie.
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This was taken a few months ago.
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Okay.
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That's your typical Carrie.
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She's pretty.
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She's very happy. But this
is why we called you.
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Oh.
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She woke up that morning, and when
I saw that, I was just terrified.
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Was there anything in the
room that she could have
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- grabbed and done this to herself?
- No, because she is in such a state...
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That she's so out of it, no.
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And the thing is, I had
just trimmed her nails.
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There were no hangnails. There was
nothing that could have done that.
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Oh, my God. This poor kid.
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And she's had scratches since
that picture was taken...
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- Just this week.
- In the same spot or a different area?
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A different area... on her left collarbone.
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And I knew she didn't do that because
I was with her the whole time.
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Anybody in the house else, besides
her, get these type of scratches?
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No, just Carrie.
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Oh [Bleep]!
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There is crying in here.
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[ Crying ]
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There's crying from the bed.
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Weeping, weeping... not crying.
Weeping, weeping.
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I'm not sure why.
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- Can you tell who's doing it?
- It might be a living person.
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Female.
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Very sad. Like, such sadness.
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- So, Sheila, is this your bedroom?
- Yes.
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Okay, so what's going on in here?
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[ Crying in distance ]
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She's... she's crying,
if you're hearing that.
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[ Crying continues ]
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Okay, so she's in this constant state of
anxiety and depression, I guess, right?
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Constant state of that and
constant state of seeing things.
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She just told me she was gonna die.
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Now, how do you try to calm her
down when she's like that?
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It's very difficult to keep her calm.
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[ Crying continues ]
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- It's breaking my heart.
- It's killing us.
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She's a really good, genuine person.
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And I tell her all the time,
"Carrie, you are a light to people".
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Right.
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So we have to remind ourselves
of the old Carrie...
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And keep telling ourselves
she will come back.
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Okay.
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So, is there anything specific
happening to you in this room?
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I did see an apparition... a girl.
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I saw her go from...
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This area all the way out
and into the living room.
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Okay, did she look at you, or...
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- No.
- All right.
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But also, quite often, when
I have to come lay down,
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I will feel pressing on the bed.
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- Like somebody's sitting?
- Right.
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It feels like someone is leaning
on the bed just to aggravate me.
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That's interesting.
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It's gotten so bad. One day, I was
in here, and I was really sick.
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And I just swatted my hand out
and just said, "leave me alone".
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What do you think's going on in this house?
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I don't know at this point.
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But I'm wondering if it's following Carrie.
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Okay.
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There is a child running, running,
running, running, running, running.
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You know, like, freaking
hyperactive as [Bleep].
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This kid is nuts.
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I do feel like this... the
top of this bed's involved.
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I don't know if the kid's
jumping up on there.
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This kid is running all over the place,
but all you see is this white light.
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You just see the white light and the
streaks and stuff. You know what I mean?
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So what kind of experience would
somebody in the bed have?
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The bed would shake, and
they'd feel the pressure.
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It's bad.
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It wants to do creepy [Bleep] to people.
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[ Wind howling ]
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Now, your wife explained some of the things
that she's experienced in the house.
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How about yourself, are you
experiencing anything?
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Yeah, through the years, I'd hear what
sounded to me like bare footsteps...
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"Boom, boom, boom"... up
and down the hallway.
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90% of the time, I'd open
the door to check...
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Nobody there.
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So, Jimmy, what do you know about the land
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or the property the house was built on?
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Well, I know the house was built in 1902.
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- Okay.
- And that it was part of the Rudd farm.
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My grandparents moved in sometime
in the early to mid '50s.
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So you've been around
this house a long time?
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Pretty much my whole life, yes.
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But recently, it's gotten more violent,
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or it just seems like the
girls are being picked on.
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See, that's what pushed
us to contact you guys.
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Carrie is such an innocent
person, and why she's...
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Attacked...
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She's been through a lot her whole life,
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and it just seems to get worse and worse.
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Her whole personality's changed.
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She's gotten to where we've had to...
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Spoon-feed her, where
she was a vibrant girl.
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Loved to run and play, life of the party.
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She said, "daddy, I don't
have laugh in me anymore".
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It just grieves me to see
her suffer like this.
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And it's not just her. Her sister
is experiencing things, too.
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Jimmy, let me ask you a question. What
do you think is actually going on here?
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We know that there's
spiritual warfare going on.
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It seems like the ones that are
hurt the most are the innocents.
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Right.
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And she's as innocent as they come.
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Allan: I'm seeing this dog thing again.
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While I was watching it, it
freaking changed shape three times,
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you know, from a dog to a human to a...
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Really tall creature thing.
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Even though it scared me, I'm going to try
and learn more about this bizarre creature.
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All I know right now is that it can
change shape and it's very territorial.
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It doesn't want people
on its land, its space.
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I mean, it's all over here, back
there, back there, back there.
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Is this something that could
do anything to people?
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Yeah, I think it could.
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I don't know yet what it can do.
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I wouldn't go out there.
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So, Amber, I was talking to Mom, and she
was explaining what's going on here.
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So I wanted to talk to you to find
out what you're experiencing.
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This place um...
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Ever since we moved in,
I've been really tired.
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So it definitely affects me physically.
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And certain rooms are worse than others.
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- Which room is worse for you?
- My sister's room.
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She's the most important person
in the whole world to me.
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It's just not fair.
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I'm supposed to protect her.
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I can't protect her from this.
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Do you think she understands
what's going on?
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No.
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No.
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Definitely not.
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I gave her a hug, and she managed to say...
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"I love you".
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I thought in my head, "that's the last
time I'm gonna hear her say that".
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I'm so worried about her that I
don't care what it throws at me.
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- Okay.
- I'm not afraid.
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I'm not afraid of it
anymore because I know...
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Whatever it is is a coward
if it's picking on her.
247
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And I've asked.
248
00:15:13,374 --> 00:15:16,095
- What do you mean you've asked?
- I said...
249
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"Whatever you are, you leave her alone".
250
00:15:20,711 --> 00:15:22,668
"She's defenseless.
251
00:15:22,669 --> 00:15:26,569
You come to me. I can take it".
252
00:15:34,874 --> 00:15:38,714
Allan: I think it went in here.
253
00:15:38,741 --> 00:15:41,180
I do see it.
254
00:15:41,181 --> 00:15:42,685
What?
255
00:15:42,686 --> 00:15:45,626
Uh, this dog thing.
256
00:15:49,289 --> 00:15:51,964
It's very upset. It doesn't...
257
00:15:51,965 --> 00:15:55,193
Doesn't want us up there, doesn't want...
258
00:15:55,194 --> 00:15:59,634
Us in here, doesn't want us doing this.
259
00:16:01,175 --> 00:16:02,970
It's definitely enraged.
260
00:16:02,971 --> 00:16:07,873
It definitely feels like
we shouldn't be here.
261
00:16:07,874 --> 00:16:12,194
Like we're on its territory right now.
262
00:16:12,958 --> 00:16:15,418
It's pissed.
263
00:16:18,852 --> 00:16:21,380
When I'm alone in this room,
264
00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:24,861
I get a very dark feeling.
265
00:16:25,291 --> 00:16:27,418
It's just, like, a heaviness...
266
00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:29,583
A heaviness that feels like it's,
267
00:16:29,584 --> 00:16:33,521
pressing down on you and making you...
268
00:16:33,522 --> 00:16:36,342
Exhausted and sad.
269
00:16:37,103 --> 00:16:39,872
- Do you want to move?
- I would love to move.
270
00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:42,266
- You would?
- I would move right now.
271
00:16:42,267 --> 00:16:45,354
I would burn this place to the ground.
272
00:16:45,355 --> 00:16:49,138
I'd light the match. It
doesn't need to exist.
273
00:16:49,139 --> 00:16:54,419
I don't feel like anybody
will ever be happy here.
274
00:17:08,647 --> 00:17:13,649
Jimmy mentioned that his property used to
be part of a farm owned by the Rudd family.
275
00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,086
I've managed to track down
one of its descendants,
276
00:17:16,087 --> 00:17:18,755
and he tells me that the
family's time on that property
277
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was filled with heartbreak.
278
00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:32,135
Rudd: I growed up on the farm right here.
279
00:17:32,136 --> 00:17:33,809
How big was the farm?
280
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999 acres.
281
00:17:36,169 --> 00:17:38,561
Now, growing up, did you
work on the farm yourself?
282
00:17:38,562 --> 00:17:41,498
Oh, yeah, worked with daddy... my daddy.
283
00:17:41,499 --> 00:17:44,434
Phil, who was the first
Rudd to establish the farm?
284
00:17:44,435 --> 00:17:46,569
Seneca, my grandfather.
285
00:17:46,570 --> 00:17:49,564
- Okay, what kind of a man was he?
- He was stern.
286
00:17:49,565 --> 00:17:53,293
All the children had their chores to do.
You had to get it done.
287
00:17:53,294 --> 00:17:55,972
- What happened if you didn't?
- We'd get some harsh words.
288
00:17:55,973 --> 00:17:59,556
Okay. I see you have a picture here.
Is this your family?
289
00:17:59,557 --> 00:18:03,298
That's my grandfather right here.
290
00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:05,834
How many children did
your grandfather have?
291
00:18:05,835 --> 00:18:08,751
Five boys and one girl.
292
00:18:08,752 --> 00:18:12,781
And there was two small ones
that died when they were young.
293
00:18:12,782 --> 00:18:14,430
Do you know who they were?
294
00:18:14,431 --> 00:18:16,399
- There was Elmer.
- Okay.
295
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,502
- And Mary Kitty.
- Mary Kitty.
296
00:18:18,503 --> 00:18:21,269
- How old was Elmer?
- Elmer was 8 years old.
297
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:23,923
8 years old. Do you know how old
Mary Kitty might have been?
298
00:18:23,924 --> 00:18:26,225
She's somewhere between 6 to 10.
299
00:18:26,226 --> 00:18:28,828
Do you have any idea, Phil, how they died?
300
00:18:28,829 --> 00:18:31,409
No, I do not.
301
00:18:38,405 --> 00:18:42,063
I definitely think that there is a...
302
00:18:42,064 --> 00:18:45,074
Dead little boy here.
303
00:18:45,075 --> 00:18:48,422
- How old?
- Maybe like 8 or 9?
304
00:18:48,423 --> 00:18:49,987
He...
305
00:18:49,988 --> 00:18:52,724
Does a lot of chores.
306
00:18:52,725 --> 00:18:55,905
[ Footsteps approaching ]
307
00:18:57,619 --> 00:19:00,979
Do you know how he died?
308
00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,919
He fell down. He was running,
309
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,040
and he fell down bad.
310
00:19:15,602 --> 00:19:19,219
Like, I can hear something
snap, crunch, you know?
311
00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:22,280
Like, I can feel it.
312
00:19:27,032 --> 00:19:29,500
Di Schiavi: Your grandfather...
Where's he buried?
313
00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:32,136
Rudd: He is buried at Lees Chapel.
314
00:19:32,137 --> 00:19:34,839
He died at Rudd Station.
315
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,882
Phil, what was Rudd Station?
316
00:19:36,883 --> 00:19:41,996
It was just a flagpole where trains
stopped to pick up passengers.
317
00:19:41,997 --> 00:19:43,775
It was right beside the property.
318
00:19:43,776 --> 00:19:45,609
Okay, so it was right at
the edge of the land?
319
00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:46,849
Yeah.
320
00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:49,408
Do you know any of the station's history?
321
00:19:49,409 --> 00:19:52,093
- There was a train wreck.
- Okay.
322
00:19:52,094 --> 00:19:53,714
In 1907, I think it was.
323
00:19:53,715 --> 00:19:55,814
You don't know what caused
it or anything like that?
324
00:19:55,815 --> 00:19:57,674
- No, I do not.
- Okay.
325
00:19:57,675 --> 00:19:59,385
I know the fireman died.
326
00:19:59,386 --> 00:20:01,506
- Okay.
- That's all I know.
327
00:20:01,507 --> 00:20:05,692
And they said his ghost would
come back every so often.
328
00:20:05,693 --> 00:20:08,633
- They did?
- Yeah.
329
00:20:15,362 --> 00:20:18,487
Di Schiavi: I'm gonna need to find out
a lot more about this train accident
330
00:20:18,488 --> 00:20:21,042
that happened right on Jimmy
and Sheila's property.
331
00:20:21,043 --> 00:20:23,533
I'm heading over to meet with
a transportation historian
332
00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:27,974
who says he knows all about the tragedy.
333
00:20:32,855 --> 00:20:36,358
So, Walter, what can you
tell me about this crash?
334
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,479
On October 17, 1907...
335
00:20:39,852 --> 00:20:43,141
Late at night, a freight
train was coming south,
336
00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:46,517
on the main lines and
pulled off on the siding
337
00:20:46,518 --> 00:20:49,000
for the northbound passenger train.
338
00:20:49,001 --> 00:20:52,377
And while the freight train was
waiting for the passenger train,
339
00:20:52,378 --> 00:20:55,610
Henry Clay Leonard, who was the brakeman...
340
00:20:55,611 --> 00:20:57,637
He fell asleep.
341
00:20:57,638 --> 00:21:01,349
And then all of a sudden, he heard the
whistle of the approaching train.
342
00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:06,846
And he just woke up, and he was startled,
and he rushed over to the switch...
343
00:21:06,847 --> 00:21:09,792
And by mistake, he opened the switch.
344
00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:12,991
So that the passenger train,
instead of passing by,
345
00:21:12,992 --> 00:21:17,912
crashed head on into the
waiting freight train.
346
00:21:20,969 --> 00:21:22,480
Did he get charged in this case?
347
00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:26,040
Yes, well, basically, he
ran away from the wreck.
348
00:21:26,041 --> 00:21:28,037
- He knew it was his fault.
- Okay.
349
00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:30,245
So he was devastated.
350
00:21:30,246 --> 00:21:35,383
And he ended up walking the 60 miles
back to Spencer, where he lived.
351
00:21:35,384 --> 00:21:37,805
So what did they do,
eventually catch up to him?
352
00:21:37,806 --> 00:21:43,061
Yeah, he was arrested and charged, and it
really just ruined his life, you know?
353
00:21:43,062 --> 00:21:47,022
He was never the same after that.
354
00:21:48,698 --> 00:21:53,401
Allan: There's this guy,
and he's really messed up.
355
00:21:53,402 --> 00:21:55,964
Like, he's disoriented.
356
00:21:55,965 --> 00:22:00,350
He, I think, had been walking
for a very long time.
357
00:22:00,351 --> 00:22:04,491
He didn't look real good, you know?
358
00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:08,283
His feet do hurt.
359
00:22:08,284 --> 00:22:10,218
His back hurts.
360
00:22:10,219 --> 00:22:13,519
He's in a lot of pain.
361
00:22:16,603 --> 00:22:22,503
Two trains collided, and there
was this huge mashing of steel.
362
00:22:22,886 --> 00:22:27,553
And there was fires, people
groaning and yelling.
363
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:32,039
And here's some articles
about it right here.
364
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,653
How many people got killed?
365
00:22:33,654 --> 00:22:35,665
- Three people got killed right away.
- Okay.
366
00:22:35,666 --> 00:22:39,746
And two or three others died later.
367
00:22:44,019 --> 00:22:45,939
Um...
368
00:22:47,969 --> 00:22:50,042
There's some dead people out there.
369
00:22:50,043 --> 00:22:52,127
There's a skull out there.
370
00:22:52,128 --> 00:22:55,668
Like, I do see dead bodies.
371
00:22:58,834 --> 00:23:00,802
- How many?
- A bunch.
372
00:23:00,803 --> 00:23:05,340
There was blood all over,
and they looked a mess.
373
00:23:05,341 --> 00:23:08,761
Do you know what happened?
374
00:23:10,546 --> 00:23:12,586
Uh-oh.
375
00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:16,304
I think they all got killed.
376
00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:32,573
Di Schiavi: I'm at the
local library to find out
377
00:23:32,574 --> 00:23:35,715
more about this Rudd
station train disaster.
378
00:23:35,716 --> 00:23:38,687
But after looking through
some old newspaper articles,
379
00:23:38,688 --> 00:23:43,088
I find something else that
really turns my stomach.
380
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:47,675
In 1956, along the same train line that
runs through my clients' property,
381
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:52,548
there was a bombing that
devastated a local church.
382
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:57,119
But the records don't
say who's responsible.
383
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,669
I'm on my way to meet with a
local journalist who says it
384
00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:05,570
was one of the biggest unsolved
crimes in the town's history.
385
00:24:12,635 --> 00:24:14,663
I came across this article
about a church bombing
386
00:24:14,664 --> 00:24:17,839
that took place right near the
property I'm investigating
387
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,719
back in November 5, 1956.
388
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,747
- Can you tell me anything about it?
- It was at 8:00 at night.
389
00:24:23,748 --> 00:24:27,705
And four sticks of dynamite were
tossed into the church, and phew!
390
00:24:27,706 --> 00:24:30,653
- It just exploded.
- Who the hell would do this?
391
00:24:30,654 --> 00:24:34,656
Well, I would bet my last
dollar it was the Ku Klux Klan.
392
00:24:34,657 --> 00:24:38,679
- What would be the reason for doing this?
- This was a black church...
393
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,782
Okay.
394
00:24:39,783 --> 00:24:43,848
And the day before the November
6th election of that year.
395
00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:48,405
They could have been trying to intimidate
black voters in that part of the County...
396
00:24:48,406 --> 00:24:50,805
Or the whole County, for that matter.
397
00:24:50,806 --> 00:24:53,070
- This was a time when integration...
- Right.
398
00:24:53,071 --> 00:24:56,513
Was taking over in the south,
and people were upset.
399
00:24:56,514 --> 00:25:00,815
The odd thing was that four men
came after the dynamiting,
400
00:25:00,816 --> 00:25:05,702
and one of them went up to look in
there, maybe to see what their work did.
401
00:25:05,703 --> 00:25:10,025
And as one of them was looking into
the building with a flashlight,
402
00:25:10,026 --> 00:25:13,162
a man that was, apparently,
you know, standing guard,
403
00:25:13,163 --> 00:25:16,431
came up to him with a shotgun,
and they all ran off.
404
00:25:16,432 --> 00:25:21,112
As far as I know, nobody was ever arrested.
405
00:25:22,672 --> 00:25:28,572
There are these dudes out there. There
is about three or four of them.
406
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,947
They're not good.
407
00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:35,948
They are scaring me.
408
00:25:37,487 --> 00:25:40,755
They were running away from
something they were afraid of.
409
00:25:40,756 --> 00:25:44,836
They ran here for safety, and so...
410
00:25:44,904 --> 00:25:48,504
They are making me nervous...
411
00:25:48,829 --> 00:25:51,589
To go out there.
412
00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:57,005
Do you have any idea what
they're hiding from?
413
00:25:57,006 --> 00:25:59,134
They were hiding from other men.
414
00:25:59,135 --> 00:26:03,812
I don't think that the four men
got along, either, though.
415
00:26:03,813 --> 00:26:05,543
They're all bad.
416
00:26:05,544 --> 00:26:07,583
They want to kill me.
417
00:26:07,584 --> 00:26:10,524
I don't like them.
418
00:26:11,354 --> 00:26:14,714
I got to go back inside.
419
00:26:17,299 --> 00:26:19,328
Did something like this ever happen before?
420
00:26:19,329 --> 00:26:20,871
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
421
00:26:20,872 --> 00:26:24,733
25 years earlier, I believe,
the church burned down.
422
00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:27,102
And so did the school beside it.
423
00:26:27,103 --> 00:26:29,208
- The same church?
- Same church.
424
00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:32,597
- The school was a black school.
- What kind of damage are we talking about?
425
00:26:32,598 --> 00:26:35,923
Well, it destroyed the church.
It knocked out the roof.
426
00:26:35,924 --> 00:26:39,281
Uh, destroyed the pews, damaged the walls.
427
00:26:39,282 --> 00:26:40,982
Did anybody get killed in this or hurt?
428
00:26:40,983 --> 00:26:43,952
No, nobody was hurt.
There was nobody there.
429
00:26:43,953 --> 00:26:46,773
So we were lucky.
430
00:27:00,403 --> 00:27:03,427
There's, like, these children, and
this woman's, like, teaching them,
431
00:27:03,428 --> 00:27:07,445
and there's this man, and he's,
like, preaching at them.
432
00:27:07,446 --> 00:27:10,106
And then I do see smoke.
433
00:27:10,107 --> 00:27:12,660
In this white little building,
434
00:27:12,661 --> 00:27:15,781
and people are crying.
435
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,019
But I'm seeing it from a distance,
watching this building burn.
436
00:27:30,354 --> 00:27:34,869
During my walk, I encountered a terrifying
creature that attacks the living.
437
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:40,770
I'm meeting with a sketch artist to
bring this creepy thing to life.
438
00:27:41,404 --> 00:27:45,164
Allan: The bottom half is all dog.
439
00:27:45,165 --> 00:27:49,418
It was kind of leaning up against the tree.
440
00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:52,899
The head was more humanoid.
441
00:27:58,861 --> 00:28:01,430
Was there a shading or coloring to it?
442
00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:05,151
It was very, very solid black.
443
00:28:11,238 --> 00:28:14,358
Is this what you saw?
444
00:28:15,164 --> 00:28:17,024
Yes.
445
00:28:27,602 --> 00:28:30,242
[ Wind howling ]
446
00:28:31,306 --> 00:28:34,486
[ Wind chimes tinkling ]
447
00:28:44,886 --> 00:28:48,055
Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I
have completed our investigations,
448
00:28:48,056 --> 00:28:50,734
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other...
449
00:28:50,735 --> 00:28:54,815
And our clients for the first time.
450
00:28:58,066 --> 00:29:00,490
Amy, I want you to meet Jimmy and Sheila.
451
00:29:00,491 --> 00:29:04,534
They own this home, and I think of all the
times we've been doing our investigations,
452
00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:07,436
I've never met a family that
needed our help more than them.
453
00:29:07,437 --> 00:29:09,938
They've all seen a lot. They're
all going through something,
454
00:29:09,939 --> 00:29:12,148
but they believe that there's
something very evil here
455
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:15,516
and that it's actually attacking
one of the family members.
456
00:29:15,517 --> 00:29:21,417
With that, I'd like to start by Amy
telling us a little bit about her walk.
457
00:29:24,235 --> 00:29:28,315
When I was outside, I saw a skull.
458
00:29:29,026 --> 00:29:31,672
And there were all of these bodies.
459
00:29:31,673 --> 00:29:35,331
There was also a lot of blood.
460
00:29:35,332 --> 00:29:40,132
I did see one male who
was very disoriented.
461
00:29:40,232 --> 00:29:44,124
Because he had walked
and walked and walked.
462
00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:46,272
Di Schiavi: That's interesting
you say that because,
463
00:29:46,273 --> 00:29:50,782
this was once part of a 1,000-acre
farm, owned by the Rudd family.
464
00:29:50,783 --> 00:29:53,883
But it was so big that the train
actually had to run through here.
465
00:29:53,884 --> 00:29:56,309
In 1907, there was an accident.
466
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:59,589
And the accident occurred
right here on the property.
467
00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:04,153
Three people got killed immediately,
but two more died later on.
468
00:30:04,154 --> 00:30:08,336
Henry Clay Leonard, who was the brakeman
on this train who caused the accident...
469
00:30:08,337 --> 00:30:11,801
He basically started to walk
away and just kept walking.
470
00:30:11,802 --> 00:30:13,852
And he walked 60 miles to his house.
471
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,405
The next day, the cops come
by, and they lock him up.
472
00:30:16,406 --> 00:30:20,426
I didn't know anything about that.
473
00:30:22,312 --> 00:30:24,507
So, what else did you see?
474
00:30:24,508 --> 00:30:28,017
When I first opened, I saw this man,
475
00:30:28,018 --> 00:30:31,355
and he was preaching, and
there's this white building,
476
00:30:31,356 --> 00:30:34,442
and there's smoke coming out of it, and
people were crying and freaking out.
477
00:30:34,443 --> 00:30:35,647
Wow.
478
00:30:35,648 --> 00:30:38,995
There had been a black
Methodist church back in 1956.
479
00:30:38,996 --> 00:30:41,535
Right on the edge of the
Rudd farm was this church.
480
00:30:41,536 --> 00:30:44,613
Some men threw dynamite
in there and blew it up.
481
00:30:44,614 --> 00:30:48,394
I actually have a photo of it.
482
00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:53,889
Somebody I talked to about this said
that 25 years before this happened,
483
00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:57,564
that same church and the
school next to it burned down.
484
00:30:57,565 --> 00:31:01,086
Apparently, the KKK, they feel,
might have been involved in this.
485
00:31:01,087 --> 00:31:02,919
But nobody was ever arrested.
486
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,783
There was a part where
four men came in a car.
487
00:31:05,784 --> 00:31:08,774
It kind of looked like as if they were
trying to check out their handiwork.
488
00:31:08,775 --> 00:31:12,595
And they got approached by a guy with a
shotgun, and they wound up taking off.
489
00:31:12,596 --> 00:31:16,301
I saw four men, and they
were all bad people.
490
00:31:16,302 --> 00:31:18,059
And they made me nervous...
491
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:22,605
Just, like, the energy
that was surrounding them.
492
00:31:22,606 --> 00:31:24,340
They're not good.
493
00:31:24,341 --> 00:31:27,902
They were running away from
something they were afraid of.
494
00:31:27,903 --> 00:31:31,023
They want to kill me.
495
00:31:32,816 --> 00:31:34,717
What else did you see?
496
00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:37,369
I ran into a child in the backyard...
497
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:39,744
A little boy between the ages of 8 and 9.
498
00:31:39,745 --> 00:31:43,585
He did a lot of farming chores.
499
00:31:44,935 --> 00:31:49,317
Okay. The man that actually started
this farm was a guy named Seneca Rudd.
500
00:31:49,318 --> 00:31:51,849
This is Seneca here... the older guy.
501
00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:56,494
He did have a son named Elmer that was
8 years old that died on the property.
502
00:31:56,495 --> 00:32:00,525
So I spoke to Seneca's
grandson, Phil, who's now 90.
503
00:32:00,526 --> 00:32:03,795
And he said nobody in the
family that he knew of...
504
00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:07,165
Could say how Elmer uh, died.
505
00:32:07,166 --> 00:32:10,512
He did say his grandfather
was a stern guy, though.
506
00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:13,813
This is very interesting.
507
00:32:14,021 --> 00:32:16,695
Do you have a funny feeling about him?
508
00:32:16,696 --> 00:32:20,836
I saw this kid swinging on a swing.
509
00:32:21,411 --> 00:32:22,962
And the...
510
00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:28,723
And the old man comes up and
starts just beating the kid.
511
00:32:29,088 --> 00:32:34,660
When I came in to the house, I saw
another child who was just crazy.
512
00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:39,769
And all I see is, like, this, like,
white streak, like it was running.
513
00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:42,568
So I couldn't get, like,
if it was male or female.
514
00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:46,004
It never stopped or showed itself to me.
515
00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:50,008
I got the sense that they were siblings.
516
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:54,313
I don't have any photos of her, but the
kid I just told you about... Elmer...
517
00:32:54,314 --> 00:32:56,459
He had a sister who also died.
518
00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:58,451
The little girl's name was Mary Kitty.
519
00:32:58,452 --> 00:33:01,877
We think she died between
the ages of 7 and 10.
520
00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:04,372
The census is screwed up at that time.
521
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:07,091
But we do know that she
did die on the property.
522
00:33:07,092 --> 00:33:11,174
One of the things that I got that she likes
to do is in this room, in particular...
523
00:33:11,175 --> 00:33:15,904
Is uh, she would run from room
to room and get on the beds.
524
00:33:15,905 --> 00:33:19,167
Somebody would feel movement to the bed.
525
00:33:19,168 --> 00:33:23,668
This child is trying to creep people out.
526
00:33:23,956 --> 00:33:28,159
I just notice, like, at the foot
of the bed, just, like, two hands.
527
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,906
You feel someone standing
right there annoying you,
528
00:33:31,907 --> 00:33:36,587
just wanting to let you know they're there.
529
00:33:39,958 --> 00:33:43,951
As soon as I walked through the
door, I heard a woman crying.
530
00:33:43,952 --> 00:33:46,953
I just felt this sadness,
like, overtake me.
531
00:33:46,954 --> 00:33:50,506
When I was in the middle bedroom,
it was very strong in there.
532
00:33:50,507 --> 00:33:53,996
I did feel like it might be a living person
533
00:33:53,997 --> 00:33:57,966
and that it was definitely a female crying.
534
00:33:57,967 --> 00:34:01,730
Jimmy and Sheila's daughter
Carrie has special needs.
535
00:34:01,731 --> 00:34:04,229
This is her here.
536
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,182
She's going through a tough time.
537
00:34:08,183 --> 00:34:12,383
She's just a very sweet, sweet girl.
538
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,082
But she's been in and out of
the hospital her whole life.
539
00:34:17,083 --> 00:34:21,485
She's had 19 surgeries, and 14 of
those have been brain surgeries.
540
00:34:21,486 --> 00:34:27,066
And the Carrie that we have now...
She's somebody else.
541
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:31,461
Jimmy: Since we've been back from the
hospital, she started having these,
542
00:34:31,462 --> 00:34:33,845
just, uncontrollable sobbing sessions.
543
00:34:33,846 --> 00:34:37,732
She would see herself being
whipped, set on fire...
544
00:34:37,733 --> 00:34:41,279
Describing herself as being put
in an electric chair one time.
545
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,039
She was just sobbing and sobbing.
546
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,713
We'd have to tell her, "you're home.
It didn't ever happen".
547
00:34:46,714 --> 00:34:52,114
I've heard her sob, too. I
mean, it's heartbreaking.
548
00:34:55,752 --> 00:34:58,488
Why don't you tell Amy about the attacks?
549
00:34:58,489 --> 00:35:00,409
Uh...
550
00:35:00,541 --> 00:35:05,748
Carrie has had scratches on her back in
places that we know she couldn't reach.
551
00:35:05,749 --> 00:35:09,605
Actually, I have a photo
of it so you can see.
552
00:35:09,606 --> 00:35:11,706
Oh, my!
553
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,673
And I know she didn't do it because I'm
sitting there with her the whole time.
554
00:35:17,674 --> 00:35:20,105
I don't understand what's happening to her.
555
00:35:20,106 --> 00:35:22,260
We're spiritual people,
and, you know, we pray.
556
00:35:22,261 --> 00:35:24,199
We've done everything that we can think of.
557
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,468
And yet she's just getting further
and further away from us.
558
00:35:28,469 --> 00:35:32,555
And then she was talking
about how she wanted to die.
559
00:35:32,556 --> 00:35:38,456
She knows sign language, and the other
day, she got up and signed, "die now".
560
00:35:42,498 --> 00:35:47,782
- Well, what else did you see?
- I was outside, and...
561
00:35:47,783 --> 00:35:51,184
All of a sudden, I see
this very large animal.
562
00:35:51,185 --> 00:35:53,752
I've never actually encountered one before.
563
00:35:53,753 --> 00:35:56,689
And it was a very large black dog.
564
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:01,641
So I'm watching it now from a distance,
and it proceeds to shift from a dog,
565
00:36:01,642 --> 00:36:05,031
and it then stands up on its hind legs.
566
00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:07,767
And then it started to
kind of change shape.
567
00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:12,454
So the head is now more like a human head,
but the body is still that of a dog.
568
00:36:12,455 --> 00:36:16,547
And as I'm looking at it, I was terrified.
569
00:36:16,548 --> 00:36:19,999
It's able to come in the very back bedroom.
570
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,959
- That's Amber's bedroom.
- Yeah, that's Amber's bedroom.
571
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,473
Amber had mentioned that she
wants things to come to her.
572
00:36:27,474 --> 00:36:30,651
She's actually cried out loud...
573
00:36:30,652 --> 00:36:34,956
"Take me, come on to me.
Leave my sister alone".
574
00:36:34,957 --> 00:36:38,052
Well, I did sketch it.
575
00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:40,324
I'm dying to see this sketch.
576
00:36:40,325 --> 00:36:42,605
It's odd.
577
00:36:46,906 --> 00:36:48,944
Oh, God.
578
00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:51,645
Why is it here?
579
00:37:11,492 --> 00:37:13,834
I'm dying to see this sketch.
580
00:37:13,835 --> 00:37:16,115
It's odd.
581
00:37:24,137 --> 00:37:26,584
Sheila: Oh, God.
582
00:37:26,585 --> 00:37:29,285
Why is it here?
583
00:37:31,751 --> 00:37:34,580
I mean, those limbs don't start
till 30 feet up the tree
584
00:37:34,581 --> 00:37:37,517
or something like that, if
it's that kind of scale.
585
00:37:37,518 --> 00:37:39,978
That's huge.
586
00:37:40,326 --> 00:37:45,067
That's when it was kind of
morphing into human form.
587
00:37:45,068 --> 00:37:47,226
It's very territorial.
588
00:37:47,227 --> 00:37:52,567
What it wants, I think, is
for you not to be here.
589
00:37:54,367 --> 00:37:59,647
So could this be what's
making their daughter sick?
590
00:37:59,773 --> 00:38:01,693
Yeah.
591
00:38:06,271 --> 00:38:09,081
There's so many things
here that are correlating.
592
00:38:09,082 --> 00:38:14,422
You know, we are possibly
talking about a possession.
593
00:38:15,522 --> 00:38:21,060
The fact that she experienced a
near-death-type situation...
594
00:38:21,061 --> 00:38:24,587
Your daughter's extremely open.
595
00:38:24,588 --> 00:38:29,268
And I think that's why it would enter her.
596
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:33,824
I know when she's looking
at me that's not her.
597
00:38:33,825 --> 00:38:38,878
I know it's someone looking
at me for the first time.
598
00:38:38,879 --> 00:38:44,517
And at one time, when she was having a
moment where she was kind of clear.
599
00:38:44,518 --> 00:38:46,586
She called me her best Mommy.
600
00:38:46,587 --> 00:38:48,567
And...
601
00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:52,934
And she said... she says, "I'm
gonna miss you, my best mama".
602
00:38:52,935 --> 00:38:55,695
And so I just...
603
00:38:58,886 --> 00:39:00,939
I'm mad.
604
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,261
I'm mad.
605
00:39:02,262 --> 00:39:05,033
Because I'm very protective of my children.
606
00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:08,874
And I'm very angry that that...
607
00:39:09,247 --> 00:39:12,426
Is tormenting my family.
608
00:39:12,427 --> 00:39:15,667
It makes me very angry.
609
00:39:16,632 --> 00:39:19,632
I'm like, "why us?"
610
00:39:23,863 --> 00:39:26,503
[ Animal howls ]
611
00:39:30,937 --> 00:39:33,784
Well, I know this has been tough
for you guys to hear this,
612
00:39:33,785 --> 00:39:39,685
but now Amy can finally give you
the answers you so badly need.
613
00:39:39,979 --> 00:39:45,879
Can you help Carrie? With that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
614
00:39:48,688 --> 00:39:51,398
Allan: It's a very difficult situation,
615
00:39:51,399 --> 00:39:57,299
and it's hard for me to say that there's
definitely possession going on here.
616
00:39:57,468 --> 00:40:02,028
But your daughter might need an exorcism...
617
00:40:05,029 --> 00:40:10,249
Which can be extremely
traumatic for the individual.
618
00:40:12,359 --> 00:40:16,465
So that's why I'd like you
to try something else first.
619
00:40:16,466 --> 00:40:18,554
This is frankincense.
620
00:40:18,555 --> 00:40:20,719
This is what they use in many churches,
621
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,580
to dispel any negativity,
to cleanse the area.
622
00:40:25,892 --> 00:40:28,592
This is black salt.
623
00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:31,822
It's extremely uh, powerful.
624
00:40:31,823 --> 00:40:35,596
Due to the process and the
blessings that it goes through.
625
00:40:35,597 --> 00:40:39,437
And this is a protection powder.
626
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,559
That was made by a Wiccan.
627
00:40:44,466 --> 00:40:50,226
This I want you to use outside
first to seal the grounds.
628
00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:53,468
And then go through the
house with the salt...
629
00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:58,024
And do every single entrance
that you can conceive of.
630
00:40:58,025 --> 00:41:01,318
And then every night, you
burn your frankincense.
631
00:41:01,319 --> 00:41:03,962
Do this for a week straight.
632
00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:07,267
This might be all you need.
633
00:41:07,268 --> 00:41:11,959
So if after the week, things don't
get better for Carrie, then what?
634
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,508
Then I think you would have to
go through the process of...
635
00:41:15,509 --> 00:41:18,809
Seeing about an exorcism.
636
00:41:19,105 --> 00:41:22,705
What about getting rid of the kids?
637
00:41:22,706 --> 00:41:24,423
This will do it?
638
00:41:24,424 --> 00:41:27,064
- Yeah.
- Okay.
639
00:41:27,164 --> 00:41:31,124
That's why I wanted you to come.
640
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:37,553
I have always known there
was a battle between...
641
00:41:37,554 --> 00:41:40,849
Good and evil in the house.
642
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:45,371
Jimmy: This is a lot to take in. At
least I feel like we got some hope.
643
00:41:45,372 --> 00:41:51,272
We're definitely gonna do this.
There's no doubt about that.
644
00:41:53,275 --> 00:41:57,079
With all the terrifying experiences
this family has been through...
645
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,567
I really hope they follow my advice
and use the tools I've given them.
646
00:42:01,568 --> 00:42:03,776
Carrie's a defenseless victim,
647
00:42:03,777 --> 00:42:09,405
and she depends on her family to
do what I believe they need to do.
648
00:42:09,406 --> 00:42:15,306
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