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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:05,396 --> 00:00:08,831 It feels like we're on its territory. 3 00:00:08,832 --> 00:00:11,279 It's pissed. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,633 My daughter just told me she was gonna die. 5 00:00:13,634 --> 00:00:16,169 It's bad. There was blood all over. 6 00:00:16,170 --> 00:00:17,778 Do you have any idea how they died? 7 00:00:17,779 --> 00:00:20,912 It crashed head on into the waiting freight train. 8 00:00:20,913 --> 00:00:24,015 I hear something snap, crunch. 9 00:00:24,016 --> 00:00:25,549 I would burn this place to the ground. 10 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:27,451 There's warfare going on. 11 00:00:27,452 --> 00:00:28,886 They want to kill me. 12 00:00:28,887 --> 00:00:30,421 [ Crickets chirping ] 13 00:00:30,422 --> 00:00:33,542 We shouldn't be here. 14 00:00:35,828 --> 00:00:37,991 They're being watched. 15 00:00:37,992 --> 00:00:41,065 My name is Amy Allan. 16 00:00:41,066 --> 00:00:43,267 This thing likes death. 17 00:00:43,268 --> 00:00:44,866 I see dead people. 18 00:00:44,867 --> 00:00:46,507 This thing's, like, a monster. 19 00:00:46,508 --> 00:00:48,542 I speak to dead people. 20 00:00:48,543 --> 00:00:50,207 And he's pissed off now. 21 00:00:50,208 --> 00:00:51,693 And they speak to me. 22 00:00:51,694 --> 00:00:53,313 His head was cracked. 23 00:00:53,314 --> 00:00:56,981 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 24 00:00:56,982 --> 00:00:58,049 This guy was murdered. 25 00:00:58,050 --> 00:00:59,845 I rely on my partner. 26 00:00:59,846 --> 00:01:03,146 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 27 00:01:03,147 --> 00:01:05,957 I cannot help you unless I know the whole story. 28 00:01:05,958 --> 00:01:09,103 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:09,104 --> 00:01:10,506 You saw her? 30 00:01:10,507 --> 00:01:11,929 It's my job to reveal them. 31 00:01:11,930 --> 00:01:12,997 Why would you stay here? 32 00:01:12,998 --> 00:01:15,172 But Steve and I never speak... 33 00:01:15,173 --> 00:01:17,048 We never communicate during an investigation. 34 00:01:17,049 --> 00:01:18,442 Until the very end. 35 00:01:18,443 --> 00:01:20,375 [ Echoing ] Stop it. 36 00:01:20,376 --> 00:01:22,519 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 37 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,815 I want to know the truth. I want to know what's happening. 38 00:01:24,816 --> 00:01:26,130 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:26,131 --> 00:01:31,591 [ Crying ] I told you there were ghosts in this house. 40 00:01:51,448 --> 00:01:56,222 Di Schiavi: Amy and I work independently of one another. 41 00:01:56,223 --> 00:02:02,123 I gather evidence, interview witnesses, and dig into the history of each location. 42 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:08,017 When we're done, we reveal our findings to the clients and each other. 43 00:02:08,018 --> 00:02:13,555 I'm down in Browns Summit, North Carolina, just outside of Greensboro. 44 00:02:13,556 --> 00:02:17,493 I'm on my way to meet a woman named Sheila. She sounds scared to death. 45 00:02:17,494 --> 00:02:21,407 She says something in the house is making her family sick, and even worse, 46 00:02:21,408 --> 00:02:24,188 it's attacking her daughter, who has special needs. 47 00:02:24,189 --> 00:02:28,629 I'm hoping Amy and I can help her out. 48 00:02:33,277 --> 00:02:34,617 Anderson: Before Amy arrives, 49 00:02:34,618 --> 00:02:38,331 I look for anything that could influence her findings. 50 00:02:38,332 --> 00:02:40,568 This is clearly a family's home, 51 00:02:40,569 --> 00:02:45,404 so I have to remove all the photographs and personal items... 52 00:02:45,405 --> 00:02:49,905 To clear the location for tonight's walk. 53 00:03:05,259 --> 00:03:09,342 My opening... I went to the graveyard, 54 00:03:09,343 --> 00:03:15,243 and I saw there was a swing, and there was a little boy on it. 55 00:03:17,038 --> 00:03:18,938 Then this older man comes in. 56 00:03:18,939 --> 00:03:20,540 He's like in his 60s. 57 00:03:20,541 --> 00:03:23,914 And he just comes up to him and smacks him. 58 00:03:23,915 --> 00:03:28,235 And then he starts beating the kid up. 59 00:03:29,183 --> 00:03:33,337 But while he's doing that, he, like, morphs into a younger man. 60 00:03:33,338 --> 00:03:37,178 There was abuse towards children. 61 00:03:37,228 --> 00:03:40,646 I don't like this area, though. 62 00:03:40,647 --> 00:03:43,167 This was bad. 63 00:03:52,873 --> 00:03:54,811 Di Schiavi: Well, Sheila, now that I'm here, 64 00:03:54,812 --> 00:03:57,201 why don't you tell me a little bit about what's going on? 65 00:03:57,202 --> 00:04:00,113 Well, we've been here for 25 years. 66 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:00,958 Okay. 67 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:06,859 And we've always noticed footsteps in the house, hearing things, seeing things. 68 00:04:07,083 --> 00:04:12,906 And then my daughter Amber started getting sick, and then Carrie was born sick. 69 00:04:12,907 --> 00:04:14,327 Carrie is special-needs. 70 00:04:14,328 --> 00:04:18,493 She's had 19 surgeries, and 14 of those have been brain surgeries. 71 00:04:18,494 --> 00:04:19,504 Oh, geez. 72 00:04:19,505 --> 00:04:24,743 But since a few months ago, it's just taken a very negative turn. 73 00:04:24,744 --> 00:04:26,238 Okay, in what way? 74 00:04:26,239 --> 00:04:28,989 It's becoming very physical. 75 00:04:28,990 --> 00:04:31,613 Carrie has been seeing things. 76 00:04:31,614 --> 00:04:37,010 She kept saying she was gonna be whipped and she was gonna be burned. 77 00:04:37,011 --> 00:04:41,222 She has visions of being nailed to a cross. 78 00:04:41,223 --> 00:04:43,732 She's terrified to open her eyes. 79 00:04:43,733 --> 00:04:44,909 Okay. 80 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:47,626 Just the other night, she hadn't spoke all day, 81 00:04:47,627 --> 00:04:51,689 and the only thing she said was, "ghost". 82 00:04:51,690 --> 00:04:53,829 She's terrified. 83 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:57,906 If my partner, Amy, told you, "you got to get out of this house," what would you do? 84 00:04:57,907 --> 00:05:00,140 We can't afford to leave. 85 00:05:00,141 --> 00:05:02,154 We're very spiritual people, 86 00:05:02,155 --> 00:05:06,047 and I really do believe that we're dealing with something evil. 87 00:05:06,048 --> 00:05:08,813 But we're determined to get through this. 88 00:05:08,814 --> 00:05:10,734 Okay. 89 00:05:15,992 --> 00:05:18,392 Oh, my God. 90 00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:23,264 Anderson: What do you see? 91 00:05:23,265 --> 00:05:25,905 This dog thing. 92 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,910 I can feel it, like, pushing on me, like, panting. 93 00:05:32,911 --> 00:05:36,091 Like, kind of growling. 94 00:05:38,568 --> 00:05:41,906 What sort of things can it do to people? 95 00:05:41,907 --> 00:05:46,893 I think it's one of these dogs that kill people. 96 00:05:46,894 --> 00:05:51,255 I've never encountered anything like this. 97 00:05:51,256 --> 00:05:54,182 It looks like a mythical creature from hell. 98 00:05:54,183 --> 00:05:56,557 I don't want to get any closer because I have no 99 00:05:56,558 --> 00:06:00,856 idea what this thing is capable of doing to us. 100 00:06:00,857 --> 00:06:02,789 I mean, it's all black... 101 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:06,390 Real solid black, real thick. 102 00:06:06,526 --> 00:06:08,810 My heart's pounding because I'm nervous. 103 00:06:08,811 --> 00:06:11,151 [ Chuckles ] 104 00:06:13,515 --> 00:06:16,417 So, why did you bring me into this room? 105 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:19,797 I wanted to show you a picture of Carrie. 106 00:06:19,798 --> 00:06:22,382 This was taken a few months ago. 107 00:06:22,383 --> 00:06:23,783 Okay. 108 00:06:23,784 --> 00:06:27,264 That's your typical Carrie. 109 00:06:27,307 --> 00:06:28,766 She's pretty. 110 00:06:28,767 --> 00:06:31,992 She's very happy. But this is why we called you. 111 00:06:31,993 --> 00:06:33,793 Oh. 112 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:40,788 She woke up that morning, and when I saw that, I was just terrified. 113 00:06:40,789 --> 00:06:42,804 Was there anything in the room that she could have 114 00:06:42,805 --> 00:06:46,871 - grabbed and done this to herself? - No, because she is in such a state... 115 00:06:46,872 --> 00:06:49,763 That she's so out of it, no. 116 00:06:49,764 --> 00:06:53,148 And the thing is, I had just trimmed her nails. 117 00:06:53,149 --> 00:06:57,047 There were no hangnails. There was nothing that could have done that. 118 00:06:57,048 --> 00:06:59,282 Oh, my God. This poor kid. 119 00:06:59,283 --> 00:07:03,189 And she's had scratches since that picture was taken... 120 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:05,971 - Just this week. - In the same spot or a different area? 121 00:07:05,972 --> 00:07:10,302 A different area... on her left collarbone. 122 00:07:10,303 --> 00:07:15,122 And I knew she didn't do that because I was with her the whole time. 123 00:07:15,123 --> 00:07:19,480 Anybody in the house else, besides her, get these type of scratches? 124 00:07:19,481 --> 00:07:22,181 No, just Carrie. 125 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:38,029 Oh [Bleep]! 126 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,762 There is crying in here. 127 00:07:45,763 --> 00:07:47,764 [ Crying ] 128 00:07:47,765 --> 00:07:49,832 There's crying from the bed. 129 00:07:49,833 --> 00:07:54,468 Weeping, weeping... not crying. Weeping, weeping. 130 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:56,531 I'm not sure why. 131 00:07:56,532 --> 00:08:01,878 - Can you tell who's doing it? - It might be a living person. 132 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,863 Female. 133 00:08:03,864 --> 00:08:07,464 Very sad. Like, such sadness. 134 00:08:14,158 --> 00:08:16,287 - So, Sheila, is this your bedroom? - Yes. 135 00:08:16,288 --> 00:08:17,794 Okay, so what's going on in here? 136 00:08:17,795 --> 00:08:18,687 [ Crying in distance ] 137 00:08:18,688 --> 00:08:22,765 She's... she's crying, if you're hearing that. 138 00:08:22,766 --> 00:08:25,646 [ Crying continues ] 139 00:08:29,195 --> 00:08:33,543 Okay, so she's in this constant state of anxiety and depression, I guess, right? 140 00:08:33,544 --> 00:08:37,113 Constant state of that and constant state of seeing things. 141 00:08:37,114 --> 00:08:40,031 She just told me she was gonna die. 142 00:08:40,032 --> 00:08:42,552 Now, how do you try to calm her down when she's like that? 143 00:08:42,553 --> 00:08:44,988 It's very difficult to keep her calm. 144 00:08:44,989 --> 00:08:47,266 [ Crying continues ] 145 00:08:47,267 --> 00:08:51,047 - It's breaking my heart. - It's killing us. 146 00:08:51,048 --> 00:08:53,930 She's a really good, genuine person. 147 00:08:53,931 --> 00:08:57,754 And I tell her all the time, "Carrie, you are a light to people". 148 00:08:57,755 --> 00:08:59,189 Right. 149 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:04,145 So we have to remind ourselves of the old Carrie... 150 00:09:04,146 --> 00:09:07,143 And keep telling ourselves she will come back. 151 00:09:07,144 --> 00:09:08,611 Okay. 152 00:09:08,612 --> 00:09:12,016 So, is there anything specific happening to you in this room? 153 00:09:12,017 --> 00:09:15,506 I did see an apparition... a girl. 154 00:09:15,507 --> 00:09:18,008 I saw her go from... 155 00:09:18,009 --> 00:09:21,958 This area all the way out and into the living room. 156 00:09:21,959 --> 00:09:24,557 Okay, did she look at you, or... 157 00:09:24,558 --> 00:09:26,438 - No. - All right. 158 00:09:26,439 --> 00:09:29,665 But also, quite often, when I have to come lay down, 159 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:32,789 I will feel pressing on the bed. 160 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:34,791 - Like somebody's sitting? - Right. 161 00:09:34,792 --> 00:09:38,479 It feels like someone is leaning on the bed just to aggravate me. 162 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,876 That's interesting. 163 00:09:39,877 --> 00:09:43,279 It's gotten so bad. One day, I was in here, and I was really sick. 164 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,650 And I just swatted my hand out and just said, "leave me alone". 165 00:09:47,651 --> 00:09:49,952 What do you think's going on in this house? 166 00:09:49,953 --> 00:09:53,327 I don't know at this point. 167 00:09:53,328 --> 00:09:57,046 But I'm wondering if it's following Carrie. 168 00:09:57,047 --> 00:09:58,967 Okay. 169 00:10:02,633 --> 00:10:08,510 There is a child running, running, running, running, running, running. 170 00:10:08,511 --> 00:10:11,772 You know, like, freaking hyperactive as [Bleep]. 171 00:10:11,773 --> 00:10:14,593 This kid is nuts. 172 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:24,630 I do feel like this... the top of this bed's involved. 173 00:10:25,805 --> 00:10:29,325 I don't know if the kid's jumping up on there. 174 00:10:29,326 --> 00:10:33,205 This kid is running all over the place, but all you see is this white light. 175 00:10:33,206 --> 00:10:36,566 You just see the white light and the streaks and stuff. You know what I mean? 176 00:10:36,567 --> 00:10:40,621 So what kind of experience would somebody in the bed have? 177 00:10:40,622 --> 00:10:45,838 The bed would shake, and they'd feel the pressure. 178 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:48,119 It's bad. 179 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,119 It wants to do creepy [Bleep] to people. 180 00:11:05,357 --> 00:11:07,997 [ Wind howling ] 181 00:11:18,049 --> 00:11:21,234 Now, your wife explained some of the things that she's experienced in the house. 182 00:11:21,235 --> 00:11:23,204 How about yourself, are you experiencing anything? 183 00:11:23,205 --> 00:11:26,820 Yeah, through the years, I'd hear what sounded to me like bare footsteps... 184 00:11:26,821 --> 00:11:28,843 "Boom, boom, boom"... up and down the hallway. 185 00:11:28,844 --> 00:11:31,178 90% of the time, I'd open the door to check... 186 00:11:31,179 --> 00:11:32,514 Nobody there. 187 00:11:32,515 --> 00:11:35,156 So, Jimmy, what do you know about the land 188 00:11:35,157 --> 00:11:37,284 or the property the house was built on? 189 00:11:37,285 --> 00:11:40,087 Well, I know the house was built in 1902. 190 00:11:40,088 --> 00:11:43,023 - Okay. - And that it was part of the Rudd farm. 191 00:11:43,024 --> 00:11:47,261 My grandparents moved in sometime in the early to mid '50s. 192 00:11:47,262 --> 00:11:49,410 So you've been around this house a long time? 193 00:11:49,411 --> 00:11:51,198 Pretty much my whole life, yes. 194 00:11:51,199 --> 00:11:54,301 But recently, it's gotten more violent, 195 00:11:54,302 --> 00:11:57,371 or it just seems like the girls are being picked on. 196 00:11:57,372 --> 00:11:59,803 See, that's what pushed us to contact you guys. 197 00:11:59,804 --> 00:12:05,084 Carrie is such an innocent person, and why she's... 198 00:12:06,395 --> 00:12:08,482 Attacked... 199 00:12:08,483 --> 00:12:10,985 She's been through a lot her whole life, 200 00:12:10,986 --> 00:12:15,546 and it just seems to get worse and worse. 201 00:12:15,859 --> 00:12:18,159 Her whole personality's changed. 202 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,265 She's gotten to where we've had to... 203 00:12:20,266 --> 00:12:23,831 Spoon-feed her, where she was a vibrant girl. 204 00:12:23,832 --> 00:12:26,991 Loved to run and play, life of the party. 205 00:12:26,992 --> 00:12:31,681 She said, "daddy, I don't have laugh in me anymore". 206 00:12:31,682 --> 00:12:35,916 It just grieves me to see her suffer like this. 207 00:12:35,917 --> 00:12:40,670 And it's not just her. Her sister is experiencing things, too. 208 00:12:40,671 --> 00:12:44,406 Jimmy, let me ask you a question. What do you think is actually going on here? 209 00:12:44,407 --> 00:12:47,822 We know that there's spiritual warfare going on. 210 00:12:47,823 --> 00:12:51,593 It seems like the ones that are hurt the most are the innocents. 211 00:12:51,594 --> 00:12:52,627 Right. 212 00:12:52,628 --> 00:12:56,768 And she's as innocent as they come. 213 00:13:04,139 --> 00:13:07,108 Allan: I'm seeing this dog thing again. 214 00:13:07,109 --> 00:13:10,310 While I was watching it, it freaking changed shape three times, 215 00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:14,393 you know, from a dog to a human to a... 216 00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:17,782 Really tall creature thing. 217 00:13:17,783 --> 00:13:22,456 Even though it scared me, I'm going to try and learn more about this bizarre creature. 218 00:13:22,457 --> 00:13:26,427 All I know right now is that it can change shape and it's very territorial. 219 00:13:26,428 --> 00:13:31,021 It doesn't want people on its land, its space. 220 00:13:31,022 --> 00:13:36,337 I mean, it's all over here, back there, back there, back there. 221 00:13:36,338 --> 00:13:38,806 Is this something that could do anything to people? 222 00:13:38,807 --> 00:13:41,829 Yeah, I think it could. 223 00:13:41,830 --> 00:13:45,850 I don't know yet what it can do. 224 00:13:46,048 --> 00:13:49,408 I wouldn't go out there. 225 00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:58,559 So, Amber, I was talking to Mom, and she was explaining what's going on here. 226 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:02,681 So I wanted to talk to you to find out what you're experiencing. 227 00:14:02,682 --> 00:14:04,532 This place um... 228 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:08,469 Ever since we moved in, I've been really tired. 229 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:12,206 So it definitely affects me physically. 230 00:14:12,207 --> 00:14:14,476 And certain rooms are worse than others. 231 00:14:14,477 --> 00:14:18,357 - Which room is worse for you? - My sister's room. 232 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:24,006 She's the most important person in the whole world to me. 233 00:14:24,007 --> 00:14:26,289 It's just not fair. 234 00:14:26,290 --> 00:14:29,890 I'm supposed to protect her. 235 00:14:30,877 --> 00:14:34,380 I can't protect her from this. 236 00:14:34,381 --> 00:14:37,863 Do you think she understands what's going on? 237 00:14:37,864 --> 00:14:39,172 No. 238 00:14:39,173 --> 00:14:40,302 No. 239 00:14:40,303 --> 00:14:42,330 Definitely not. 240 00:14:42,331 --> 00:14:46,507 I gave her a hug, and she managed to say... 241 00:14:46,508 --> 00:14:49,028 "I love you". 242 00:14:49,745 --> 00:14:54,270 I thought in my head, "that's the last time I'm gonna hear her say that". 243 00:14:54,271 --> 00:14:59,467 I'm so worried about her that I don't care what it throws at me. 244 00:14:59,468 --> 00:15:01,828 - Okay. - I'm not afraid. 245 00:15:01,829 --> 00:15:05,572 I'm not afraid of it anymore because I know... 246 00:15:05,573 --> 00:15:10,616 Whatever it is is a coward if it's picking on her. 247 00:15:10,617 --> 00:15:13,317 And I've asked. 248 00:15:13,374 --> 00:15:16,095 - What do you mean you've asked? - I said... 249 00:15:16,096 --> 00:15:20,476 "Whatever you are, you leave her alone". 250 00:15:20,711 --> 00:15:22,668 "She's defenseless. 251 00:15:22,669 --> 00:15:26,569 You come to me. I can take it". 252 00:15:34,874 --> 00:15:38,714 Allan: I think it went in here. 253 00:15:38,741 --> 00:15:41,180 I do see it. 254 00:15:41,181 --> 00:15:42,685 What? 255 00:15:42,686 --> 00:15:45,626 Uh, this dog thing. 256 00:15:49,289 --> 00:15:51,964 It's very upset. It doesn't... 257 00:15:51,965 --> 00:15:55,193 Doesn't want us up there, doesn't want... 258 00:15:55,194 --> 00:15:59,634 Us in here, doesn't want us doing this. 259 00:16:01,175 --> 00:16:02,970 It's definitely enraged. 260 00:16:02,971 --> 00:16:07,873 It definitely feels like we shouldn't be here. 261 00:16:07,874 --> 00:16:12,194 Like we're on its territory right now. 262 00:16:12,958 --> 00:16:15,418 It's pissed. 263 00:16:18,852 --> 00:16:21,380 When I'm alone in this room, 264 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:24,861 I get a very dark feeling. 265 00:16:25,291 --> 00:16:27,418 It's just, like, a heaviness... 266 00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:29,583 A heaviness that feels like it's, 267 00:16:29,584 --> 00:16:33,521 pressing down on you and making you... 268 00:16:33,522 --> 00:16:36,342 Exhausted and sad. 269 00:16:37,103 --> 00:16:39,872 - Do you want to move? - I would love to move. 270 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:42,266 - You would? - I would move right now. 271 00:16:42,267 --> 00:16:45,354 I would burn this place to the ground. 272 00:16:45,355 --> 00:16:49,138 I'd light the match. It doesn't need to exist. 273 00:16:49,139 --> 00:16:54,419 I don't feel like anybody will ever be happy here. 274 00:17:08,647 --> 00:17:13,649 Jimmy mentioned that his property used to be part of a farm owned by the Rudd family. 275 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,086 I've managed to track down one of its descendants, 276 00:17:16,087 --> 00:17:18,755 and he tells me that the family's time on that property 277 00:17:18,756 --> 00:17:22,176 was filled with heartbreak. 278 00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:32,135 Rudd: I growed up on the farm right here. 279 00:17:32,136 --> 00:17:33,809 How big was the farm? 280 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:36,090 999 acres. 281 00:17:36,169 --> 00:17:38,561 Now, growing up, did you work on the farm yourself? 282 00:17:38,562 --> 00:17:41,498 Oh, yeah, worked with daddy... my daddy. 283 00:17:41,499 --> 00:17:44,434 Phil, who was the first Rudd to establish the farm? 284 00:17:44,435 --> 00:17:46,569 Seneca, my grandfather. 285 00:17:46,570 --> 00:17:49,564 - Okay, what kind of a man was he? - He was stern. 286 00:17:49,565 --> 00:17:53,293 All the children had their chores to do. You had to get it done. 287 00:17:53,294 --> 00:17:55,972 - What happened if you didn't? - We'd get some harsh words. 288 00:17:55,973 --> 00:17:59,556 Okay. I see you have a picture here. Is this your family? 289 00:17:59,557 --> 00:18:03,298 That's my grandfather right here. 290 00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:05,834 How many children did your grandfather have? 291 00:18:05,835 --> 00:18:08,751 Five boys and one girl. 292 00:18:08,752 --> 00:18:12,781 And there was two small ones that died when they were young. 293 00:18:12,782 --> 00:18:14,430 Do you know who they were? 294 00:18:14,431 --> 00:18:16,399 - There was Elmer. - Okay. 295 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,502 - And Mary Kitty. - Mary Kitty. 296 00:18:18,503 --> 00:18:21,269 - How old was Elmer? - Elmer was 8 years old. 297 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:23,923 8 years old. Do you know how old Mary Kitty might have been? 298 00:18:23,924 --> 00:18:26,225 She's somewhere between 6 to 10. 299 00:18:26,226 --> 00:18:28,828 Do you have any idea, Phil, how they died? 300 00:18:28,829 --> 00:18:31,409 No, I do not. 301 00:18:38,405 --> 00:18:42,063 I definitely think that there is a... 302 00:18:42,064 --> 00:18:45,074 Dead little boy here. 303 00:18:45,075 --> 00:18:48,422 - How old? - Maybe like 8 or 9? 304 00:18:48,423 --> 00:18:49,987 He... 305 00:18:49,988 --> 00:18:52,724 Does a lot of chores. 306 00:18:52,725 --> 00:18:55,905 [ Footsteps approaching ] 307 00:18:57,619 --> 00:19:00,979 Do you know how he died? 308 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:11,919 He fell down. He was running, 309 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,040 and he fell down bad. 310 00:19:15,602 --> 00:19:19,219 Like, I can hear something snap, crunch, you know? 311 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:22,280 Like, I can feel it. 312 00:19:27,032 --> 00:19:29,500 Di Schiavi: Your grandfather... Where's he buried? 313 00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:32,136 Rudd: He is buried at Lees Chapel. 314 00:19:32,137 --> 00:19:34,839 He died at Rudd Station. 315 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,882 Phil, what was Rudd Station? 316 00:19:36,883 --> 00:19:41,996 It was just a flagpole where trains stopped to pick up passengers. 317 00:19:41,997 --> 00:19:43,775 It was right beside the property. 318 00:19:43,776 --> 00:19:45,609 Okay, so it was right at the edge of the land? 319 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:46,849 Yeah. 320 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:49,408 Do you know any of the station's history? 321 00:19:49,409 --> 00:19:52,093 - There was a train wreck. - Okay. 322 00:19:52,094 --> 00:19:53,714 In 1907, I think it was. 323 00:19:53,715 --> 00:19:55,814 You don't know what caused it or anything like that? 324 00:19:55,815 --> 00:19:57,674 - No, I do not. - Okay. 325 00:19:57,675 --> 00:19:59,385 I know the fireman died. 326 00:19:59,386 --> 00:20:01,506 - Okay. - That's all I know. 327 00:20:01,507 --> 00:20:05,692 And they said his ghost would come back every so often. 328 00:20:05,693 --> 00:20:08,633 - They did? - Yeah. 329 00:20:15,362 --> 00:20:18,487 Di Schiavi: I'm gonna need to find out a lot more about this train accident 330 00:20:18,488 --> 00:20:21,042 that happened right on Jimmy and Sheila's property. 331 00:20:21,043 --> 00:20:23,533 I'm heading over to meet with a transportation historian 332 00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:27,974 who says he knows all about the tragedy. 333 00:20:32,855 --> 00:20:36,358 So, Walter, what can you tell me about this crash? 334 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,479 On October 17, 1907... 335 00:20:39,852 --> 00:20:43,141 Late at night, a freight train was coming south, 336 00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:46,517 on the main lines and pulled off on the siding 337 00:20:46,518 --> 00:20:49,000 for the northbound passenger train. 338 00:20:49,001 --> 00:20:52,377 And while the freight train was waiting for the passenger train, 339 00:20:52,378 --> 00:20:55,610 Henry Clay Leonard, who was the brakeman... 340 00:20:55,611 --> 00:20:57,637 He fell asleep. 341 00:20:57,638 --> 00:21:01,349 And then all of a sudden, he heard the whistle of the approaching train. 342 00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:06,846 And he just woke up, and he was startled, and he rushed over to the switch... 343 00:21:06,847 --> 00:21:09,792 And by mistake, he opened the switch. 344 00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:12,991 So that the passenger train, instead of passing by, 345 00:21:12,992 --> 00:21:17,912 crashed head on into the waiting freight train. 346 00:21:20,969 --> 00:21:22,480 Did he get charged in this case? 347 00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:26,040 Yes, well, basically, he ran away from the wreck. 348 00:21:26,041 --> 00:21:28,037 - He knew it was his fault. - Okay. 349 00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:30,245 So he was devastated. 350 00:21:30,246 --> 00:21:35,383 And he ended up walking the 60 miles back to Spencer, where he lived. 351 00:21:35,384 --> 00:21:37,805 So what did they do, eventually catch up to him? 352 00:21:37,806 --> 00:21:43,061 Yeah, he was arrested and charged, and it really just ruined his life, you know? 353 00:21:43,062 --> 00:21:47,022 He was never the same after that. 354 00:21:48,698 --> 00:21:53,401 Allan: There's this guy, and he's really messed up. 355 00:21:53,402 --> 00:21:55,964 Like, he's disoriented. 356 00:21:55,965 --> 00:22:00,350 He, I think, had been walking for a very long time. 357 00:22:00,351 --> 00:22:04,491 He didn't look real good, you know? 358 00:22:06,014 --> 00:22:08,283 His feet do hurt. 359 00:22:08,284 --> 00:22:10,218 His back hurts. 360 00:22:10,219 --> 00:22:13,519 He's in a lot of pain. 361 00:22:16,603 --> 00:22:22,503 Two trains collided, and there was this huge mashing of steel. 362 00:22:22,886 --> 00:22:27,553 And there was fires, people groaning and yelling. 363 00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:32,039 And here's some articles about it right here. 364 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,653 How many people got killed? 365 00:22:33,654 --> 00:22:35,665 - Three people got killed right away. - Okay. 366 00:22:35,666 --> 00:22:39,746 And two or three others died later. 367 00:22:44,019 --> 00:22:45,939 Um... 368 00:22:47,969 --> 00:22:50,042 There's some dead people out there. 369 00:22:50,043 --> 00:22:52,127 There's a skull out there. 370 00:22:52,128 --> 00:22:55,668 Like, I do see dead bodies. 371 00:22:58,834 --> 00:23:00,802 - How many? - A bunch. 372 00:23:00,803 --> 00:23:05,340 There was blood all over, and they looked a mess. 373 00:23:05,341 --> 00:23:08,761 Do you know what happened? 374 00:23:10,546 --> 00:23:12,586 Uh-oh. 375 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:16,304 I think they all got killed. 376 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:32,573 Di Schiavi: I'm at the local library to find out 377 00:23:32,574 --> 00:23:35,715 more about this Rudd station train disaster. 378 00:23:35,716 --> 00:23:38,687 But after looking through some old newspaper articles, 379 00:23:38,688 --> 00:23:43,088 I find something else that really turns my stomach. 380 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:47,675 In 1956, along the same train line that runs through my clients' property, 381 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:52,548 there was a bombing that devastated a local church. 382 00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:57,119 But the records don't say who's responsible. 383 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,669 I'm on my way to meet with a local journalist who says it 384 00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:05,570 was one of the biggest unsolved crimes in the town's history. 385 00:24:12,635 --> 00:24:14,663 I came across this article about a church bombing 386 00:24:14,664 --> 00:24:17,839 that took place right near the property I'm investigating 387 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,719 back in November 5, 1956. 388 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,747 - Can you tell me anything about it? - It was at 8:00 at night. 389 00:24:23,748 --> 00:24:27,705 And four sticks of dynamite were tossed into the church, and phew! 390 00:24:27,706 --> 00:24:30,653 - It just exploded. - Who the hell would do this? 391 00:24:30,654 --> 00:24:34,656 Well, I would bet my last dollar it was the Ku Klux Klan. 392 00:24:34,657 --> 00:24:38,679 - What would be the reason for doing this? - This was a black church... 393 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,782 Okay. 394 00:24:39,783 --> 00:24:43,848 And the day before the November 6th election of that year. 395 00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:48,405 They could have been trying to intimidate black voters in that part of the County... 396 00:24:48,406 --> 00:24:50,805 Or the whole County, for that matter. 397 00:24:50,806 --> 00:24:53,070 - This was a time when integration... - Right. 398 00:24:53,071 --> 00:24:56,513 Was taking over in the south, and people were upset. 399 00:24:56,514 --> 00:25:00,815 The odd thing was that four men came after the dynamiting, 400 00:25:00,816 --> 00:25:05,702 and one of them went up to look in there, maybe to see what their work did. 401 00:25:05,703 --> 00:25:10,025 And as one of them was looking into the building with a flashlight, 402 00:25:10,026 --> 00:25:13,162 a man that was, apparently, you know, standing guard, 403 00:25:13,163 --> 00:25:16,431 came up to him with a shotgun, and they all ran off. 404 00:25:16,432 --> 00:25:21,112 As far as I know, nobody was ever arrested. 405 00:25:22,672 --> 00:25:28,572 There are these dudes out there. There is about three or four of them. 406 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,947 They're not good. 407 00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:35,948 They are scaring me. 408 00:25:37,487 --> 00:25:40,755 They were running away from something they were afraid of. 409 00:25:40,756 --> 00:25:44,836 They ran here for safety, and so... 410 00:25:44,904 --> 00:25:48,504 They are making me nervous... 411 00:25:48,829 --> 00:25:51,589 To go out there. 412 00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:57,005 Do you have any idea what they're hiding from? 413 00:25:57,006 --> 00:25:59,134 They were hiding from other men. 414 00:25:59,135 --> 00:26:03,812 I don't think that the four men got along, either, though. 415 00:26:03,813 --> 00:26:05,543 They're all bad. 416 00:26:05,544 --> 00:26:07,583 They want to kill me. 417 00:26:07,584 --> 00:26:10,524 I don't like them. 418 00:26:11,354 --> 00:26:14,714 I got to go back inside. 419 00:26:17,299 --> 00:26:19,328 Did something like this ever happen before? 420 00:26:19,329 --> 00:26:20,871 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 421 00:26:20,872 --> 00:26:24,733 25 years earlier, I believe, the church burned down. 422 00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:27,102 And so did the school beside it. 423 00:26:27,103 --> 00:26:29,208 - The same church? - Same church. 424 00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:32,597 - The school was a black school. - What kind of damage are we talking about? 425 00:26:32,598 --> 00:26:35,923 Well, it destroyed the church. It knocked out the roof. 426 00:26:35,924 --> 00:26:39,281 Uh, destroyed the pews, damaged the walls. 427 00:26:39,282 --> 00:26:40,982 Did anybody get killed in this or hurt? 428 00:26:40,983 --> 00:26:43,952 No, nobody was hurt. There was nobody there. 429 00:26:43,953 --> 00:26:46,773 So we were lucky. 430 00:27:00,403 --> 00:27:03,427 There's, like, these children, and this woman's, like, teaching them, 431 00:27:03,428 --> 00:27:07,445 and there's this man, and he's, like, preaching at them. 432 00:27:07,446 --> 00:27:10,106 And then I do see smoke. 433 00:27:10,107 --> 00:27:12,660 In this white little building, 434 00:27:12,661 --> 00:27:15,781 and people are crying. 435 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,019 But I'm seeing it from a distance, watching this building burn. 436 00:27:30,354 --> 00:27:34,869 During my walk, I encountered a terrifying creature that attacks the living. 437 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:40,770 I'm meeting with a sketch artist to bring this creepy thing to life. 438 00:27:41,404 --> 00:27:45,164 Allan: The bottom half is all dog. 439 00:27:45,165 --> 00:27:49,418 It was kind of leaning up against the tree. 440 00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:52,899 The head was more humanoid. 441 00:27:58,861 --> 00:28:01,430 Was there a shading or coloring to it? 442 00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:05,151 It was very, very solid black. 443 00:28:11,238 --> 00:28:14,358 Is this what you saw? 444 00:28:15,164 --> 00:28:17,024 Yes. 445 00:28:27,602 --> 00:28:30,242 [ Wind howling ] 446 00:28:31,306 --> 00:28:34,486 [ Wind chimes tinkling ] 447 00:28:44,886 --> 00:28:48,055 Di Schiavi: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 448 00:28:48,056 --> 00:28:50,734 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other... 449 00:28:50,735 --> 00:28:54,815 And our clients for the first time. 450 00:28:58,066 --> 00:29:00,490 Amy, I want you to meet Jimmy and Sheila. 451 00:29:00,491 --> 00:29:04,534 They own this home, and I think of all the times we've been doing our investigations, 452 00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:07,436 I've never met a family that needed our help more than them. 453 00:29:07,437 --> 00:29:09,938 They've all seen a lot. They're all going through something, 454 00:29:09,939 --> 00:29:12,148 but they believe that there's something very evil here 455 00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:15,516 and that it's actually attacking one of the family members. 456 00:29:15,517 --> 00:29:21,417 With that, I'd like to start by Amy telling us a little bit about her walk. 457 00:29:24,235 --> 00:29:28,315 When I was outside, I saw a skull. 458 00:29:29,026 --> 00:29:31,672 And there were all of these bodies. 459 00:29:31,673 --> 00:29:35,331 There was also a lot of blood. 460 00:29:35,332 --> 00:29:40,132 I did see one male who was very disoriented. 461 00:29:40,232 --> 00:29:44,124 Because he had walked and walked and walked. 462 00:29:44,125 --> 00:29:46,272 Di Schiavi: That's interesting you say that because, 463 00:29:46,273 --> 00:29:50,782 this was once part of a 1,000-acre farm, owned by the Rudd family. 464 00:29:50,783 --> 00:29:53,883 But it was so big that the train actually had to run through here. 465 00:29:53,884 --> 00:29:56,309 In 1907, there was an accident. 466 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:59,589 And the accident occurred right here on the property. 467 00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:04,153 Three people got killed immediately, but two more died later on. 468 00:30:04,154 --> 00:30:08,336 Henry Clay Leonard, who was the brakeman on this train who caused the accident... 469 00:30:08,337 --> 00:30:11,801 He basically started to walk away and just kept walking. 470 00:30:11,802 --> 00:30:13,852 And he walked 60 miles to his house. 471 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,405 The next day, the cops come by, and they lock him up. 472 00:30:16,406 --> 00:30:20,426 I didn't know anything about that. 473 00:30:22,312 --> 00:30:24,507 So, what else did you see? 474 00:30:24,508 --> 00:30:28,017 When I first opened, I saw this man, 475 00:30:28,018 --> 00:30:31,355 and he was preaching, and there's this white building, 476 00:30:31,356 --> 00:30:34,442 and there's smoke coming out of it, and people were crying and freaking out. 477 00:30:34,443 --> 00:30:35,647 Wow. 478 00:30:35,648 --> 00:30:38,995 There had been a black Methodist church back in 1956. 479 00:30:38,996 --> 00:30:41,535 Right on the edge of the Rudd farm was this church. 480 00:30:41,536 --> 00:30:44,613 Some men threw dynamite in there and blew it up. 481 00:30:44,614 --> 00:30:48,394 I actually have a photo of it. 482 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:53,889 Somebody I talked to about this said that 25 years before this happened, 483 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:57,564 that same church and the school next to it burned down. 484 00:30:57,565 --> 00:31:01,086 Apparently, the KKK, they feel, might have been involved in this. 485 00:31:01,087 --> 00:31:02,919 But nobody was ever arrested. 486 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,783 There was a part where four men came in a car. 487 00:31:05,784 --> 00:31:08,774 It kind of looked like as if they were trying to check out their handiwork. 488 00:31:08,775 --> 00:31:12,595 And they got approached by a guy with a shotgun, and they wound up taking off. 489 00:31:12,596 --> 00:31:16,301 I saw four men, and they were all bad people. 490 00:31:16,302 --> 00:31:18,059 And they made me nervous... 491 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:22,605 Just, like, the energy that was surrounding them. 492 00:31:22,606 --> 00:31:24,340 They're not good. 493 00:31:24,341 --> 00:31:27,902 They were running away from something they were afraid of. 494 00:31:27,903 --> 00:31:31,023 They want to kill me. 495 00:31:32,816 --> 00:31:34,717 What else did you see? 496 00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:37,369 I ran into a child in the backyard... 497 00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:39,744 A little boy between the ages of 8 and 9. 498 00:31:39,745 --> 00:31:43,585 He did a lot of farming chores. 499 00:31:44,935 --> 00:31:49,317 Okay. The man that actually started this farm was a guy named Seneca Rudd. 500 00:31:49,318 --> 00:31:51,849 This is Seneca here... the older guy. 501 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:56,494 He did have a son named Elmer that was 8 years old that died on the property. 502 00:31:56,495 --> 00:32:00,525 So I spoke to Seneca's grandson, Phil, who's now 90. 503 00:32:00,526 --> 00:32:03,795 And he said nobody in the family that he knew of... 504 00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:07,165 Could say how Elmer uh, died. 505 00:32:07,166 --> 00:32:10,512 He did say his grandfather was a stern guy, though. 506 00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:13,813 This is very interesting. 507 00:32:14,021 --> 00:32:16,695 Do you have a funny feeling about him? 508 00:32:16,696 --> 00:32:20,836 I saw this kid swinging on a swing. 509 00:32:21,411 --> 00:32:22,962 And the... 510 00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:28,723 And the old man comes up and starts just beating the kid. 511 00:32:29,088 --> 00:32:34,660 When I came in to the house, I saw another child who was just crazy. 512 00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:39,769 And all I see is, like, this, like, white streak, like it was running. 513 00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:42,568 So I couldn't get, like, if it was male or female. 514 00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:46,004 It never stopped or showed itself to me. 515 00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:50,008 I got the sense that they were siblings. 516 00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:54,313 I don't have any photos of her, but the kid I just told you about... Elmer... 517 00:32:54,314 --> 00:32:56,459 He had a sister who also died. 518 00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:58,451 The little girl's name was Mary Kitty. 519 00:32:58,452 --> 00:33:01,877 We think she died between the ages of 7 and 10. 520 00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:04,372 The census is screwed up at that time. 521 00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:07,091 But we do know that she did die on the property. 522 00:33:07,092 --> 00:33:11,174 One of the things that I got that she likes to do is in this room, in particular... 523 00:33:11,175 --> 00:33:15,904 Is uh, she would run from room to room and get on the beds. 524 00:33:15,905 --> 00:33:19,167 Somebody would feel movement to the bed. 525 00:33:19,168 --> 00:33:23,668 This child is trying to creep people out. 526 00:33:23,956 --> 00:33:28,159 I just notice, like, at the foot of the bed, just, like, two hands. 527 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,906 You feel someone standing right there annoying you, 528 00:33:31,907 --> 00:33:36,587 just wanting to let you know they're there. 529 00:33:39,958 --> 00:33:43,951 As soon as I walked through the door, I heard a woman crying. 530 00:33:43,952 --> 00:33:46,953 I just felt this sadness, like, overtake me. 531 00:33:46,954 --> 00:33:50,506 When I was in the middle bedroom, it was very strong in there. 532 00:33:50,507 --> 00:33:53,996 I did feel like it might be a living person 533 00:33:53,997 --> 00:33:57,966 and that it was definitely a female crying. 534 00:33:57,967 --> 00:34:01,730 Jimmy and Sheila's daughter Carrie has special needs. 535 00:34:01,731 --> 00:34:04,229 This is her here. 536 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,182 She's going through a tough time. 537 00:34:08,183 --> 00:34:12,383 She's just a very sweet, sweet girl. 538 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,082 But she's been in and out of the hospital her whole life. 539 00:34:17,083 --> 00:34:21,485 She's had 19 surgeries, and 14 of those have been brain surgeries. 540 00:34:21,486 --> 00:34:27,066 And the Carrie that we have now... She's somebody else. 541 00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:31,461 Jimmy: Since we've been back from the hospital, she started having these, 542 00:34:31,462 --> 00:34:33,845 just, uncontrollable sobbing sessions. 543 00:34:33,846 --> 00:34:37,732 She would see herself being whipped, set on fire... 544 00:34:37,733 --> 00:34:41,279 Describing herself as being put in an electric chair one time. 545 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,039 She was just sobbing and sobbing. 546 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,713 We'd have to tell her, "you're home. It didn't ever happen". 547 00:34:46,714 --> 00:34:52,114 I've heard her sob, too. I mean, it's heartbreaking. 548 00:34:55,752 --> 00:34:58,488 Why don't you tell Amy about the attacks? 549 00:34:58,489 --> 00:35:00,409 Uh... 550 00:35:00,541 --> 00:35:05,748 Carrie has had scratches on her back in places that we know she couldn't reach. 551 00:35:05,749 --> 00:35:09,605 Actually, I have a photo of it so you can see. 552 00:35:09,606 --> 00:35:11,706 Oh, my! 553 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,673 And I know she didn't do it because I'm sitting there with her the whole time. 554 00:35:17,674 --> 00:35:20,105 I don't understand what's happening to her. 555 00:35:20,106 --> 00:35:22,260 We're spiritual people, and, you know, we pray. 556 00:35:22,261 --> 00:35:24,199 We've done everything that we can think of. 557 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,468 And yet she's just getting further and further away from us. 558 00:35:28,469 --> 00:35:32,555 And then she was talking about how she wanted to die. 559 00:35:32,556 --> 00:35:38,456 She knows sign language, and the other day, she got up and signed, "die now". 560 00:35:42,498 --> 00:35:47,782 - Well, what else did you see? - I was outside, and... 561 00:35:47,783 --> 00:35:51,184 All of a sudden, I see this very large animal. 562 00:35:51,185 --> 00:35:53,752 I've never actually encountered one before. 563 00:35:53,753 --> 00:35:56,689 And it was a very large black dog. 564 00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:01,641 So I'm watching it now from a distance, and it proceeds to shift from a dog, 565 00:36:01,642 --> 00:36:05,031 and it then stands up on its hind legs. 566 00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:07,767 And then it started to kind of change shape. 567 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:12,454 So the head is now more like a human head, but the body is still that of a dog. 568 00:36:12,455 --> 00:36:16,547 And as I'm looking at it, I was terrified. 569 00:36:16,548 --> 00:36:19,999 It's able to come in the very back bedroom. 570 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,959 - That's Amber's bedroom. - Yeah, that's Amber's bedroom. 571 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,473 Amber had mentioned that she wants things to come to her. 572 00:36:27,474 --> 00:36:30,651 She's actually cried out loud... 573 00:36:30,652 --> 00:36:34,956 "Take me, come on to me. Leave my sister alone". 574 00:36:34,957 --> 00:36:38,052 Well, I did sketch it. 575 00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:40,324 I'm dying to see this sketch. 576 00:36:40,325 --> 00:36:42,605 It's odd. 577 00:36:46,906 --> 00:36:48,944 Oh, God. 578 00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:51,645 Why is it here? 579 00:37:11,492 --> 00:37:13,834 I'm dying to see this sketch. 580 00:37:13,835 --> 00:37:16,115 It's odd. 581 00:37:24,137 --> 00:37:26,584 Sheila: Oh, God. 582 00:37:26,585 --> 00:37:29,285 Why is it here? 583 00:37:31,751 --> 00:37:34,580 I mean, those limbs don't start till 30 feet up the tree 584 00:37:34,581 --> 00:37:37,517 or something like that, if it's that kind of scale. 585 00:37:37,518 --> 00:37:39,978 That's huge. 586 00:37:40,326 --> 00:37:45,067 That's when it was kind of morphing into human form. 587 00:37:45,068 --> 00:37:47,226 It's very territorial. 588 00:37:47,227 --> 00:37:52,567 What it wants, I think, is for you not to be here. 589 00:37:54,367 --> 00:37:59,647 So could this be what's making their daughter sick? 590 00:37:59,773 --> 00:38:01,693 Yeah. 591 00:38:06,271 --> 00:38:09,081 There's so many things here that are correlating. 592 00:38:09,082 --> 00:38:14,422 You know, we are possibly talking about a possession. 593 00:38:15,522 --> 00:38:21,060 The fact that she experienced a near-death-type situation... 594 00:38:21,061 --> 00:38:24,587 Your daughter's extremely open. 595 00:38:24,588 --> 00:38:29,268 And I think that's why it would enter her. 596 00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:33,824 I know when she's looking at me that's not her. 597 00:38:33,825 --> 00:38:38,878 I know it's someone looking at me for the first time. 598 00:38:38,879 --> 00:38:44,517 And at one time, when she was having a moment where she was kind of clear. 599 00:38:44,518 --> 00:38:46,586 She called me her best Mommy. 600 00:38:46,587 --> 00:38:48,567 And... 601 00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:52,934 And she said... she says, "I'm gonna miss you, my best mama". 602 00:38:52,935 --> 00:38:55,695 And so I just... 603 00:38:58,886 --> 00:39:00,939 I'm mad. 604 00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,261 I'm mad. 605 00:39:02,262 --> 00:39:05,033 Because I'm very protective of my children. 606 00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:08,874 And I'm very angry that that... 607 00:39:09,247 --> 00:39:12,426 Is tormenting my family. 608 00:39:12,427 --> 00:39:15,667 It makes me very angry. 609 00:39:16,632 --> 00:39:19,632 I'm like, "why us?" 610 00:39:23,863 --> 00:39:26,503 [ Animal howls ] 611 00:39:30,937 --> 00:39:33,784 Well, I know this has been tough for you guys to hear this, 612 00:39:33,785 --> 00:39:39,685 but now Amy can finally give you the answers you so badly need. 613 00:39:39,979 --> 00:39:45,879 Can you help Carrie? With that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 614 00:39:48,688 --> 00:39:51,398 Allan: It's a very difficult situation, 615 00:39:51,399 --> 00:39:57,299 and it's hard for me to say that there's definitely possession going on here. 616 00:39:57,468 --> 00:40:02,028 But your daughter might need an exorcism... 617 00:40:05,029 --> 00:40:10,249 Which can be extremely traumatic for the individual. 618 00:40:12,359 --> 00:40:16,465 So that's why I'd like you to try something else first. 619 00:40:16,466 --> 00:40:18,554 This is frankincense. 620 00:40:18,555 --> 00:40:20,719 This is what they use in many churches, 621 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,580 to dispel any negativity, to cleanse the area. 622 00:40:25,892 --> 00:40:28,592 This is black salt. 623 00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:31,822 It's extremely uh, powerful. 624 00:40:31,823 --> 00:40:35,596 Due to the process and the blessings that it goes through. 625 00:40:35,597 --> 00:40:39,437 And this is a protection powder. 626 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,559 That was made by a Wiccan. 627 00:40:44,466 --> 00:40:50,226 This I want you to use outside first to seal the grounds. 628 00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:53,468 And then go through the house with the salt... 629 00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:58,024 And do every single entrance that you can conceive of. 630 00:40:58,025 --> 00:41:01,318 And then every night, you burn your frankincense. 631 00:41:01,319 --> 00:41:03,962 Do this for a week straight. 632 00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:07,267 This might be all you need. 633 00:41:07,268 --> 00:41:11,959 So if after the week, things don't get better for Carrie, then what? 634 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,508 Then I think you would have to go through the process of... 635 00:41:15,509 --> 00:41:18,809 Seeing about an exorcism. 636 00:41:19,105 --> 00:41:22,705 What about getting rid of the kids? 637 00:41:22,706 --> 00:41:24,423 This will do it? 638 00:41:24,424 --> 00:41:27,064 - Yeah. - Okay. 639 00:41:27,164 --> 00:41:31,124 That's why I wanted you to come. 640 00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:37,553 I have always known there was a battle between... 641 00:41:37,554 --> 00:41:40,849 Good and evil in the house. 642 00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:45,371 Jimmy: This is a lot to take in. At least I feel like we got some hope. 643 00:41:45,372 --> 00:41:51,272 We're definitely gonna do this. There's no doubt about that. 644 00:41:53,275 --> 00:41:57,079 With all the terrifying experiences this family has been through... 645 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,567 I really hope they follow my advice and use the tools I've given them. 646 00:42:01,568 --> 00:42:03,776 Carrie's a defenseless victim, 647 00:42:03,777 --> 00:42:09,405 and she depends on her family to do what I believe they need to do. 648 00:42:09,406 --> 00:42:15,306 Sync & corrections by P2Pfiend. Www.Addic7ed.Com. 649 00:42:15,356 --> 00:42:19,906 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 52929

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