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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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She was lost and scared.
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I'll hear my name being called.
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I got grabbed.
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Her head's, like, just..
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If you came under her
spell, you did what she said.
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These people were absolutely terrified
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and desperate to get out.
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And she was up there.
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- It's a horrible death.
- Not a good way to die.
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I can't help you unless
you tell me the truth.
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They're collecting the dead.
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Oh, my God, it's so awful.
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There's something down there.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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A lot of dead people are here.
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I see dead people.
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This is not good.
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I speak to dead people..
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He is very pissed off.
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And they speak to me..
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The house is angry.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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He's killed people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective..
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He got shot at his house?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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Aren't you terrified, being here?
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It's my job to reveal 'em.
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That sounds like something
out of "The Exorcist".
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But Steve and I never speak..
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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It's bad.
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And we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay..
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I'd like some answers.
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Or time to get out.
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Amy and I never cross paths
during our investigations.
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I focus on research, interview witnesses,
and uncover secrets from the past.
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I'm in Olalla, Washington,
about an hour out of Seattle.
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I'm headed over to meet
a teenager named Logan.
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He says there's a lot of strange
stuff going on in this house,
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and he thinks his family's in danger.
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He sounds pretty shaken up,
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so we're gonna see if we
can figure this out for him.
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Before Amy enters a location,
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I have to clear the area of anything
that could influence her findings.
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This home has a lot
of family photographs,
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so it's important that I take my
time to cover or remove them all.
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There's this lady who wanders around.
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Her face and all her
teeth are, like, bashed in.
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Oh, it's such a mess.
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Like, it's all nasty
and bloody and, like..
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It's awful.
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So, Logan, it's rare
that Amy and I get called
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in by somebody so
young. How old are you?
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I'm 18.
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Okay. Um, what's going on that you
need us to come in and investigate?
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Well, I've heard whispering,
and I've been seeing things
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since I've been young and lived
here, over in the other house.
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Okay, so that other house
I passed when I drove up
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- is.. You used to live there?
- Yes.
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I had some friends over, and we went
to the other house and did a s�ance,
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and we tried to communicate with the
spirits and kind of talk to 'em, but..
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I'm afraid that I set
something in motion
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that I don't understand,
and I called you guys here
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because I'm hoping you
can put a stop to it.
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Okay, is there anyplace in this
house you can show me in particular?
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Downstairs, if you want to follow me.
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This is where I hear
a lot of the whispers.
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Okay, explain the whispers to me.
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The whispers sound
like a crowd of people.
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It sounds like it's really up close,
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and they're all trying
to talk to you at once,
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and then sometimes, while I'm
laying here trying to sleep,
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I'll hear my name being called.
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- So does it keep you up?
- Yes.
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It just goes all night.
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There's a lot of yelling, and I also
see a lot of bodies on the ground.
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I feel like a lot of death.
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Dead people are attracted
here and kept here.
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This person gets fixated,
like a collector gets..
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It's kind of like they're
collecting the dead.
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So, Logan, this is the
house you used to live in?
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Yes.
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This is the room where I did the s�ance.
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What'd you guys do?
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For our s�ance, I had a
couple of my friends over,
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and we.. We came in here
and just sat in a circle,
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and it was night, so it was
really dark. We couldn't see.
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We started asking questions
and tried to communicate
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with the spirits and see if we
could get some sort of a response.
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Anything happen?
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We got scratching on the
floor. We heard footsteps.
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One of my friends had gotten shaken.
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What happened?
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She shook and just fell to the ground,
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and she was crying, and we
were trying to figure out
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what happened to her, and just..
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She said that she had
gotten shaken from behind.
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And there was nobody else around to
do that, like, to play a joke on her?
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No.
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And this was the first
time you did a s�ance?
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Yes.
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- You sure?
- Yes.
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I did have a couple
more after that, though.
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How many more?
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I kind of lost track. I think I did ten.
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As a former NYPD Detective,
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I can tell when a witness
is withholding information.
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So, Logan, let me get
this straight. You did ten?
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Somewhere around 10, 15 s�ances.
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Logan, you told me you did one s�ance.
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Then you told me you did ten.
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Now I got you to tell me you did 15.
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I can't help you unless
you tell me the truth.
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So what's the number?
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I've done 17 s�ances.
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- You're sure about that?
- Yes.
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You might have bit off
more than you could chew.
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- You understand that, right?
- I do now, yes.
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You said someone is collecting the dead.
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How would they do that?
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I think that.. That if they are,
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then it'd probably be, like,
some form of communications..
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And this is inadvertently
holding them there.
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This is the (Bleep) that
(Bleep) pisses me off.
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I get very angry when the
living communicate with the dead
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for their own amusement.
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How do you like that?
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You like that, huh?
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Oh, why don't you talk to
me, why don't you talk to me?
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Come on in. Talk to me.
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I feel like someone is
tormenting the dead here
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and the dead are trapped because of it.
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Bad. I get very angry
about this (Bleep).
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I'm just (Bleep) sick
of it. I'm disgusted.
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Disgusted.
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It's not a (Bleep) game.
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They should just tear this (Bleep) down.
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They should just tear this (Bleep) down.
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- That's what they should do.
- Why?
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Because this is like a
place for dead squatters,
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and this is inadvertently
holding them there.
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So it's trapping them?
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Yeah, but it's not just..
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The house.
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The living people are doing it, too.
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So, Shane, I spoke to Logan,
and, um, I was wondering,
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have you had any experiences here?
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I never did, no. I really haven't
experienced anything out here.
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- Do you believe Logan and his friends?
- I do.
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You can tell, when something
happens, they're upset about it.
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- Okay.
- You know, and it.. It affects them.
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All right, so you don't think
they're making any of this up?
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- No, no.
- Okay.
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What do you know about the property?
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We've heard that, uh, that
there was a Dr. Hazzard
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that set up shop out here,
and that she had, uh, done
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some pretty terrible things to people.
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Uh, there's these, like, victims.
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Uh, victims of.. Of terrible people.
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And then, like, back here, there's,
like, this space that's, like..
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Like, for.. For the bad people
who, like, killed people.
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It's awful.
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So did you build this
place or did somebody else?
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My wife and I built this house,
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and we wanted to incorporate
some of the old house into it,
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and so we took pieces like
the bannister from next door
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and brought it all over here as
one unit to put in the new house.
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Did Logan stop having
experiences when you guys moved?
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At first, nothing really
happened, but as time went on,
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it seems like more events have occurred.
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Shane, I gotta ask you, as a Father
myself, I mean, how do you feel
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about what Logan did as
far as the s�ances go?
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All right, you know he did 17?
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I had no idea that it was that many.
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How do you feel about the paranormal?
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You know, I'm a skeptic, but certainly,
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there's something going on
that's affecting my family.
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There's, like, somebody screaming.
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- Male or female?
- Female.
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She's screaming, and
there's, like, chaos.
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Aah! What the (Bleep)'s going on?
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It's, like, so much pain.
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It's so much pain. It's
so much (Bleep) pain.
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What is?
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This dying.
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And I'm hearing crackle,
pop, crackle, pop,
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and then it.. Her head's, like, just..
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She's going higher to get away.
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She fell down..
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And broke her face open.
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She does the face thing, like, her
face is all busted and bloody and nasty.
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And she was up there.
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She goes in and out of the wall a lot.
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So, Lori, I spoke with
your husband and Logan.
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Logan, in particular, seems to think
he might have stirred some things up
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- that might not be so good.
- Mm-hmm.
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Sometimes he does feel that way,
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and when he's got a whole group of..
Of teenagers together, they get scared.
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Now one of his friends, he told me,
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uh, had an incident where she got..
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- Touched.
- Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, that did concern me, and
so I told him that maybe he was
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bothering spirits or ghosts, and
maybe he should stop doing that.
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What about you? Have you seen anything?
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I have had experiences, yeah.
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Okay, so do you think anything
here could cause you guys any harm?
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I think the boys think
that sometimes, but I don't.
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The dead lady from the other house,
who likes to show her blood and gore..
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She does have a plan.
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Her plan is, make her jump or fall down.
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The angry woman with the
broken face is out for blood.
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I think she's plotting against
a woman who lives in this house.
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Serious, uh..
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I don't know how she exactly
wants to execute this plan.
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I think she wants to do her the
same way that she did herself.
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Make the.. The living person..
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F.. Fall down.
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Why? Why does she want to do that?
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She feels that this living
person is her obstacle to leaving.
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Is she right?
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Yes.
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This is a freaking war.
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Both Logan and his Mom Lori
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mentioned a girl who had a
pretty frightening experience
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during one of the s�ances..
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So I'm going to meet with her and get
a firsthand account of what went down.
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Logan was telling me you
attended a s�ance with him.
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Yeah.
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He has friends come over every once in
awhile, and we turn off all the lights
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and we wait until we hear something.
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All right, but something
happened one night.
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Oh, yeah. I got grabbed in my back.
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Immediately, I blacked
out and fell to the ground
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and almost hit one of the kids
who was laying on the ground.
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They all picked me up.
I don't remember walking.
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I think they all carried me outside.
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Somebody wasn't playing
a joke, I hope.
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No. There was no one
behind me at all.
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00:17:12,828 --> 00:17:15,904
Getting pushed. I'm getting pushed.
245
00:17:15,905 --> 00:17:18,194
It hurts, it hurts.
246
00:17:18,195 --> 00:17:19,290
I'm getting..
247
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Shoved in my back.
248
00:17:29,433 --> 00:17:30,907
Logan's done a lot of s�ances there.
249
00:17:30,908 --> 00:17:33,457
Do you think he's playing with fire?
250
00:17:33,458 --> 00:17:34,894
Yeah.
251
00:17:34,895 --> 00:17:37,057
The mood changes every time we go there.
252
00:17:37,058 --> 00:17:39,093
Some days, it's very, very dark
253
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and you can feel it's heavy
the moment you walk in.
254
00:17:41,831 --> 00:17:45,636
You're sad and you..
You don't feel hope.
255
00:17:45,637 --> 00:17:48,969
- Would you ever go back there?
- No, never.
256
00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:50,770
Ok.
257
00:17:53,609 --> 00:17:57,929
- Careful, careful, careful.
- Oh, jeez.
258
00:17:59,516 --> 00:18:01,748
Weird, I thought this went further back.
259
00:18:01,749 --> 00:18:03,061
I'm seeing a room here.
260
00:18:03,062 --> 00:18:06,945
It's kind of feeling like it might
be, like, a doorway, like, a vortex.
261
00:18:06,946 --> 00:18:08,866
Okay.
262
00:18:10,225 --> 00:18:12,895
Whoever's been attempting
to contact the dead here
263
00:18:12,896 --> 00:18:16,053
may have opened a
gateway to the other side,
264
00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:18,634
and this can be very dangerous.
265
00:18:18,635 --> 00:18:21,685
It's drawing more, um..
266
00:18:21,686 --> 00:18:23,906
Bad, uh..
267
00:18:24,783 --> 00:18:27,183
Dead people.
268
00:18:35,848 --> 00:18:37,632
Shane mentioned a Dr. Hazzard
269
00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:42,853
who did terrible things
to people on his property..
270
00:18:42,925 --> 00:18:45,371
So I'm going back to his house
to meet with a local author
271
00:18:45,372 --> 00:18:50,172
who says he's gonna
give me the real story.
272
00:18:53,335 --> 00:18:57,175
This place was known
as starvation heights.
273
00:18:57,176 --> 00:19:00,141
Dr. Linda Burfield Hazzard
lived here about a century ago.
274
00:19:00,142 --> 00:19:04,312
She had this theory that
if she could fast you down,
275
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that's taking you
down to skin and bones,
276
00:19:06,516 --> 00:19:08,984
she could then build you
back up to perfect health.
277
00:19:08,985 --> 00:19:13,065
Basically, uh, she was starving you.
278
00:19:15,803 --> 00:19:18,596
Did she, like, feed them at first, and
then just cut 'em off? How'd she do it?
279
00:19:18,597 --> 00:19:23,180
She started them on this fast immediately,
which was asparagus broth, water.
280
00:19:23,181 --> 00:19:27,203
They didn't get any
food for about 40 days.
281
00:19:27,204 --> 00:19:30,138
Lots of people died here, and a
lot of people tried to get away.
282
00:19:30,139 --> 00:19:32,841
I mean, people that lived
in Olalla at the time
283
00:19:32,842 --> 00:19:34,810
talked about seeing
these starving people..
284
00:19:34,811 --> 00:19:36,378
They called 'em skeletons..
285
00:19:36,379 --> 00:19:39,019
That were walking
out, um, into the woods
286
00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:40,672
or to a neighbor's
house to try to get food.
287
00:19:40,673 --> 00:19:42,787
I mean, these people that came here
288
00:19:42,788 --> 00:19:45,857
were absolutely terrified
and desperate to get out.
289
00:19:45,858 --> 00:19:48,794
Okay, so how many people
wound up dying under her care?
290
00:19:48,795 --> 00:19:51,675
Between 20 and 40.
291
00:20:00,126 --> 00:20:04,940
There's just too many people here that
are just straight up in their death state.
292
00:20:04,941 --> 00:20:08,276
When someone dies in a
traumatic or violent way,
293
00:20:08,277 --> 00:20:11,279
they can be trapped in
what's called the death state.
294
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,082
It's too much (Bleep) pain.
295
00:20:14,083 --> 00:20:17,683
A lot of pain, these people.
296
00:20:24,699 --> 00:20:28,645
So, Gregg, what did
Dr. Hazzard do up here?
297
00:20:28,646 --> 00:20:30,511
There's three things to her treatment.
298
00:20:30,512 --> 00:20:35,737
The fast, she's doing a massage so
vigorous that it hurts you, okay?
299
00:20:35,738 --> 00:20:38,581
You're getting pummeled, and
the last thing is the enema.
300
00:20:38,582 --> 00:20:42,641
She's giving you an enema that's
gonna last you eight hours.
301
00:20:42,642 --> 00:20:45,131
Is this where she kept patients?
302
00:20:45,132 --> 00:20:48,937
This bedroom up here is where she
kept her two most famous patients.
303
00:20:48,938 --> 00:20:51,787
Claire and Dora Williamson were
these spinsters from England
304
00:20:51,788 --> 00:20:54,589
that had a lot of money, so
they came here for the treatment.
305
00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:56,191
Okay, so what would wind up happening?
306
00:20:56,192 --> 00:21:00,842
One was able to smuggle out a cable
through a staff person or somebody
307
00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:04,119
to get their nurse from when
they grew up to rescue them.
308
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:06,468
- Somebody finally came?
- Somebody came, but they came too late.
309
00:21:06,469 --> 00:21:08,535
- Claire had already died.
- Okay.
310
00:21:08,536 --> 00:21:11,306
That's how they were able to
try Dr. Hazzard for murder.
311
00:21:11,307 --> 00:21:13,909
- What did she do with the sister's body?
- She did the autopsy here.
312
00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:17,267
She marked down that Claire had
died of cirrhosis of the liver,
313
00:21:17,268 --> 00:21:22,391
like she did on a lot of cases, and then
she shipped her over on a private boat
314
00:21:22,392 --> 00:21:24,776
over to Seattle, to the mortuary.
315
00:21:24,777 --> 00:21:28,977
Here's what Dora looked like before..
316
00:21:30,766 --> 00:21:33,213
And here's what she looked like
by the time she was rescued.
317
00:21:33,214 --> 00:21:34,067
Oh, my God.
318
00:21:34,068 --> 00:21:37,188
She weighed 38 pounds.
319
00:21:38,389 --> 00:21:42,894
Dora talked about how Dr. Hazzard
suggested that she kill herself,
320
00:21:42,895 --> 00:21:46,326
so there's also the idea that maybe
she hastened a few people to the grave
321
00:21:46,327 --> 00:21:49,387
by suggesting suicide.
322
00:21:53,271 --> 00:21:57,275
Where's the woman who
fell down the stairs?
323
00:21:57,276 --> 00:22:00,447
She, like, walks back and
forth and back and forth.
324
00:22:00,448 --> 00:22:05,669
She comes all the way over,
and then she just.. Pfft.
325
00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:08,550
She felt pressured.
326
00:22:08,653 --> 00:22:11,653
She felt intimidated.
327
00:22:11,723 --> 00:22:14,658
She might have jumped off the stairs.
328
00:22:14,659 --> 00:22:16,254
She was..
329
00:22:16,255 --> 00:22:18,705
Lost and scared and..
330
00:22:18,706 --> 00:22:21,226
Confused and..
331
00:22:23,189 --> 00:22:26,129
She jumped because..
332
00:22:27,242 --> 00:22:31,322
Somebody was gonna kill her anyways.
333
00:22:37,688 --> 00:22:40,487
I'm heading over to the old
funeral parlor in Seattle
334
00:22:40,488 --> 00:22:43,420
where this quack Doctor
took her dead patients.
335
00:22:43,421 --> 00:22:46,300
I'm meeting with a forensic pathologist
to find out what kind of suffering
336
00:22:46,301 --> 00:22:51,881
these poor people went through
as they starved to death.
337
00:23:01,153 --> 00:23:03,322
So, Doc, what is this place?
338
00:23:03,323 --> 00:23:05,891
We're in what was the
original funeral parlor
339
00:23:05,892 --> 00:23:11,352
where Linda Hazzard would
bring the bodies from Olalla.
340
00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:16,249
Now she had patients that
eventually starved to death.
341
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:17,531
I don't know a lot about starvation.
342
00:23:17,532 --> 00:23:19,049
I didn't deal with it
a lot as a Detective.
343
00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:21,084
I was hoping you could take me
through what a body would go through
344
00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:22,146
when they're starved to death.
345
00:23:22,147 --> 00:23:26,796
The first phase is kind of where you
become disoriented, delirious, weak.
346
00:23:26,797 --> 00:23:31,183
You may actually have to hold onto a
wall while you're walking up stairs.
347
00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:36,864
The second phase is going to be your
heart rate is gonna drop dramatically.
348
00:23:36,865 --> 00:23:39,166
As things progress, there is a point
349
00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:44,567
where your organs are actually
cannibalizing themselves.
350
00:23:44,938 --> 00:23:48,409
Man, this is some kind of pain.
351
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:50,919
I feel like I'm gonna explode,
352
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,641
like your head and your face and chest
353
00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:56,896
are going to explode.
354
00:23:56,897 --> 00:23:59,697
Your heart weight can actually
decrease by a third of its weight.
355
00:23:59,698 --> 00:24:02,165
Your liver can decrease by half.
356
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:05,584
I feel like my ribs are
collapsing, or my lungs.
357
00:24:05,585 --> 00:24:07,060
Oh, my God, it hurts.
358
00:24:07,061 --> 00:24:10,870
The muscles between your
ribs and your diaphragm..
359
00:24:10,871 --> 00:24:13,691
They're shrinking.
360
00:24:13,926 --> 00:24:16,063
Well, there's this pressure..
361
00:24:16,064 --> 00:24:20,216
Aah! You know, and then he's
fighting to breathe, to live.
362
00:24:20,217 --> 00:24:25,178
In the end, you actually asphyxiate,
because those muscles just stop working.
363
00:24:25,179 --> 00:24:28,839
Just feels like I'm drowning.
364
00:24:28,945 --> 00:24:32,151
This pain is running
through me everywhere.
365
00:24:32,152 --> 00:24:34,547
I've never felt anything like it..
366
00:24:34,548 --> 00:24:39,228
Almost like drowning,
but without the water.
367
00:24:43,138 --> 00:24:46,918
From here up, it's just like..
368
00:24:47,944 --> 00:24:53,044
And it hurts so (Bleep)
bad. It hurts, it hurts.
369
00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:59,187
People will actually, um, let out
these primitive, uttural screams.
370
00:24:59,188 --> 00:25:02,224
Just the act of breathing
becomes a tremendous effort.
371
00:25:02,225 --> 00:25:05,405
It's a horrible death.
372
00:25:05,437 --> 00:25:08,692
I don't think that's the
way I would want to die.
373
00:25:08,693 --> 00:25:11,933
That was really, really horrible.
374
00:25:11,934 --> 00:25:15,529
Definitely not a good way to die.
375
00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:18,650
Why did they do this?
376
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:25,881
Linda Hazzard was obviously
a sick woman by any standards.
377
00:25:25,882 --> 00:25:28,651
Her treatments were
unscientific torture sessions
378
00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:30,819
where dozens of people died in agony.
379
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:33,822
I need to know what happened
to her once she got arrested.
380
00:25:33,823 --> 00:25:36,325
I'm meeting with a legal expert
who's familiar with the case
381
00:25:36,326 --> 00:25:39,746
to find out what happened.
382
00:25:45,182 --> 00:25:47,503
Linda Hazzard was charged
with first-degree murder
383
00:25:47,504 --> 00:25:50,890
by the Kitsap County,
um, District Attorney.
384
00:25:50,891 --> 00:25:54,581
She was a very strong woman who could
control and influence anyone around her.
385
00:25:54,582 --> 00:25:57,970
If you came under her
spell, you did what she said.
386
00:25:57,971 --> 00:25:59,948
So, Ron, she's charged
with first-degree murder
387
00:25:59,949 --> 00:26:01,817
and she goes to trial. What happened?
388
00:26:01,818 --> 00:26:05,220
Uh, the jury convicted her
of second-degree murder,
389
00:26:05,221 --> 00:26:07,996
and the reason they couldn't
find her guilty of first degree
390
00:26:07,997 --> 00:26:11,427
is the jury did not find
that it was premeditated.
391
00:26:11,428 --> 00:26:13,895
Linda Hazzard was ultimately
pardoned by the governor
392
00:26:13,896 --> 00:26:15,864
on a deal that she
had to leave the state.
393
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:20,221
Theoretically, she wasn't supposed to have
patients any more, but she came back here,
394
00:26:20,222 --> 00:26:22,663
started a health school of some kind.
395
00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:24,873
She sets up shop again, basically,
396
00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:27,498
- and nobody says nothing?
- It was in the wilderness, okay?
397
00:26:27,499 --> 00:26:29,869
No one knows what's going on
there, but several people died
398
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:32,103
over the next, uh, decade or so.
399
00:26:32,104 --> 00:26:34,088
And she was never brought
to trial again for anything?
400
00:26:34,089 --> 00:26:35,083
Never charged.
401
00:26:35,084 --> 00:26:37,609
- What ended up happening to her?
- That's kind of ironic.
402
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:39,830
In 1938..
403
00:26:39,955 --> 00:26:44,006
She, uh, died of her own treatment.
404
00:26:44,007 --> 00:26:46,161
Was that the cause of death
for her? Was it starvation?
405
00:26:46,162 --> 00:26:48,802
Starvation, yes.
406
00:26:57,005 --> 00:27:00,158
I'm having a little bit of a hard time..
407
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:03,706
Wanting to connect with this person.
408
00:27:03,707 --> 00:27:07,376
Their body feels small to
me, smallish, like, fragile,
409
00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:11,157
like, small-boned, like, small..
410
00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:13,327
Like a small frame.
411
00:27:13,328 --> 00:27:16,568
(Bleep) this hurts, man.
412
00:27:16,883 --> 00:27:20,423
Oh, my God, it's so awful.
413
00:27:27,603 --> 00:27:30,272
I would like to sketch
a lady that I met.
414
00:27:30,273 --> 00:27:33,552
She is very, very angry.
415
00:27:33,553 --> 00:27:38,173
- Depressed, and in a lot of pain.
- Okay.
416
00:27:40,972 --> 00:27:44,332
How about under the eyes?
417
00:27:45,109 --> 00:27:47,693
A little, like, fuller and rounder.
418
00:27:47,694 --> 00:27:51,654
- Lower lip, very thin?
- Mm-hmm.
419
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,902
And how about her neck?
420
00:27:56,903 --> 00:28:00,083
It was short and thin.
421
00:28:04,091 --> 00:28:07,631
Is this the person you saw?
422
00:28:07,814 --> 00:28:09,674
Yes.
423
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:31,835
After completing each of our
investigations separately,
424
00:28:31,836 --> 00:28:36,038
Amy and I are meeting in the house
where Linda Hazzard kept her victims.
425
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,341
Here, we'll reveal our
findings to our clients
426
00:28:38,342 --> 00:28:40,929
and each other for the first time.
427
00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:45,782
Logan is 18 years old, and he's been
having some weird encounters here.
428
00:28:45,783 --> 00:28:47,984
This is Logan's Dad, Shane.
429
00:28:47,985 --> 00:28:49,552
Hi, nice to meet you.
430
00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:55,453
So with that, Amy, can you tell
us a little bit about your walk?
431
00:28:56,911 --> 00:29:00,296
One of the initial things that I got was
432
00:29:00,297 --> 00:29:04,834
there are a lot of dead people
in this house, in a lot of pain.
433
00:29:04,835 --> 00:29:10,115
A lot of victims were,
like, touching base with me.
434
00:29:11,165 --> 00:29:15,202
And I was looking at the
house, and it reminded me of
435
00:29:15,203 --> 00:29:19,114
when homeless living people
will squat at a location.
436
00:29:19,115 --> 00:29:22,318
This is, like, a place
for dead squatters,
437
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,888
and this is inadvertently
holding them there.
438
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:28,246
They should just tear this (Bleep) down.
439
00:29:28,247 --> 00:29:31,193
- You.. You got that all here?
- Yes.
440
00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:36,553
Do me a favor. Logan, explain
to her what you hear at night.
441
00:29:36,554 --> 00:29:37,466
Yes.
442
00:29:37,467 --> 00:29:41,004
Um, down in my room, as
well as over in this house,
443
00:29:41,005 --> 00:29:43,940
it sounds like there's
a group of people,
444
00:29:43,941 --> 00:29:47,109
and they're all trying to
say something at one time,
445
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:52,381
and I can't make out what they're saying
because they're all talking at once.
446
00:29:52,382 --> 00:29:55,117
You guys know some of the history here.
447
00:29:55,118 --> 00:29:57,853
There was a quack Doctor that
actually lived in this house
448
00:29:57,854 --> 00:30:01,090
by the name of Linda Hazzard.
449
00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:06,262
There was 20 to 40 people that we
know of that were murdered here.
450
00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:09,632
She ran an alternative
medicine type of a place
451
00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:14,637
where she used different therapies
instead of modern medicine
452
00:30:14,638 --> 00:30:17,406
to try to cure people of
whatever disease they had.
453
00:30:17,407 --> 00:30:20,577
In her process, she killed quite a few.
454
00:30:20,578 --> 00:30:22,311
She starved her patients to death.
455
00:30:22,312 --> 00:30:23,112
What?
456
00:30:23,113 --> 00:30:29,013
Well, that's how she thought she
was gonna cure whatever ailed them.
457
00:30:29,732 --> 00:30:32,012
Wow, okay.
458
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,624
She killed a lot. She
had hundreds of patients.
459
00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:36,492
Some of them were kids.
460
00:30:36,493 --> 00:30:38,901
So this.. There was a lot
of death in this house.
461
00:30:38,902 --> 00:30:43,365
There's so many people,
and they're still dying.
462
00:30:43,366 --> 00:30:44,465
What do you mean by that?
463
00:30:44,466 --> 00:30:46,368
They're stuck in their death state.
464
00:30:46,369 --> 00:30:50,671
So they're constantly
feeling how they died.
465
00:30:50,672 --> 00:30:54,632
They just feel that all the time.
466
00:30:59,835 --> 00:31:01,203
What else were you getting on your walk?
467
00:31:01,204 --> 00:31:05,458
I kept getting the
sensation of drowning.
468
00:31:05,459 --> 00:31:06,471
Drowning?
469
00:31:06,472 --> 00:31:10,526
Yeah. I felt like I couldn't breathe.
470
00:31:10,527 --> 00:31:15,927
I felt like my head and my
chest were gonna explode.
471
00:31:16,363 --> 00:31:20,247
What you're describing
sounds like starvation.
472
00:31:20,248 --> 00:31:23,873
I interviewed a.. A pathologist,
and a lot of what you're saying
473
00:31:23,874 --> 00:31:25,146
are the same symptoms.
474
00:31:25,147 --> 00:31:27,719
Your organs cannibalize themselves.
475
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,847
What happens is the muscles
around your ribcage shrink
476
00:31:30,848 --> 00:31:33,016
- and your diaphragm..
- Contracts.
477
00:31:33,017 --> 00:31:34,289
You can't breathe.
478
00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:37,678
He said, also, your
esophagus shuts down.
479
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,719
- You can't swallow.
- Oh, my gosh.
480
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,508
So that could sound like
drowning because of the symptoms,
481
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:47,863
like, you can't breathe and
you can't catch your breath.
482
00:31:47,864 --> 00:31:51,365
Well, there's this pressure.
483
00:31:51,366 --> 00:31:55,386
He's fighting to breathe, to live.
484
00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:59,153
One of the people that..
485
00:31:59,154 --> 00:32:02,812
I actually got to
really communicate with..
486
00:32:02,813 --> 00:32:04,380
Was this woman.
487
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:07,650
Um, she's really, really angry.
488
00:32:07,651 --> 00:32:10,570
I felt like she had
fallen down the stairs
489
00:32:10,571 --> 00:32:14,951
and she felt, like, pressured to do it.
490
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:19,736
Um, so there was some kind of
weird situation going on there.
491
00:32:19,737 --> 00:32:24,734
You know, it sounds like
two sisters that were here.
492
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:27,520
Claire and Dora Williamson.
They were two sisters.
493
00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:30,372
That came in around 1911..
494
00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:32,462
For treatment.
495
00:32:32,463 --> 00:32:35,144
Which entailed starvation.
496
00:32:35,145 --> 00:32:40,005
This was Dora just prior
to coming out here..
497
00:32:40,564 --> 00:32:45,120
And this is what she looked like
when they came and rescued her.
498
00:32:45,121 --> 00:32:47,521
Oh, my God.
499
00:32:51,955 --> 00:32:54,432
Claire wind up not making it.
500
00:32:54,433 --> 00:32:58,148
Linda Hazzard separated them, uh,
so they wouldn't see each other.
501
00:32:58,149 --> 00:33:01,170
Uh, she tried to manipulate them for
their money, because they were wealthy.
502
00:33:01,171 --> 00:33:03,976
They were British heiresses.
503
00:33:03,977 --> 00:33:07,443
Matter of fact, even at the trial,
when Linda Hazzard was arrested,
504
00:33:07,444 --> 00:33:13,344
Dora had said that Linda and the staff
here tried to tell her to commit suicide.
505
00:33:13,387 --> 00:33:18,254
So Claire, the older
sister, dies of starvation.
506
00:33:18,255 --> 00:33:19,956
Well, you know what?
507
00:33:19,957 --> 00:33:22,159
- She did her own autopsies, this woman.
- What?
508
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,603
Yeah, they'd have every kind of disease
but starvation as cause of death.
509
00:33:27,604 --> 00:33:33,484
Cirrhosis of the liver was what
was written down for Claire.
510
00:33:33,588 --> 00:33:35,429
She called herself a Doctor.
511
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:37,640
She was a frickin' psycho murderer..
512
00:33:37,641 --> 00:33:40,492
- Yeah.
- Is what she was.
513
00:33:40,493 --> 00:33:46,133
She was getting off on, you
know, torturing these people.
514
00:33:46,189 --> 00:33:49,731
A lot of the victims are out front..
515
00:33:49,732 --> 00:33:52,492
And you feel it.
516
00:33:52,547 --> 00:33:56,362
I did do a sketch of
the woman that I saw.
517
00:33:56,363 --> 00:34:00,203
Okay, let's take a look at it.
518
00:34:26,003 --> 00:34:28,191
I did do a sketch of
519
00:34:28,192 --> 00:34:30,200
- the woman that I saw, who fell..
- Oh, so it was a woman
520
00:34:30,201 --> 00:34:32,666
- you did the sketch of?
- Fell down the stairs, yeah.
521
00:34:32,667 --> 00:34:36,507
Okay, let's take a look at it.
522
00:35:00,656 --> 00:35:03,980
According to Amy, she sketched
the woman who fell down the stairs,
523
00:35:03,981 --> 00:35:06,991
which sounds a lot like
the sister who died here,
524
00:35:06,992 --> 00:35:11,390
but to me, this sketch
looks just like someone else.
525
00:35:11,391 --> 00:35:16,311
I know it sounds like
it may be Claire, but..
526
00:35:17,477 --> 00:35:20,260
I don't know. It looks..
This is Linda Hazzard.
527
00:35:20,261 --> 00:35:23,681
This is the psycho Doctor.
528
00:35:24,612 --> 00:35:28,632
- Oh.
- I mean, look at the nose.
529
00:35:29,183 --> 00:35:33,203
I think it's.. It's really close.
530
00:35:33,569 --> 00:35:37,289
To me, that's pretty spot-on.
531
00:35:37,544 --> 00:35:42,916
So why would it look like Linda,
but act like one of the victims?
532
00:35:42,917 --> 00:35:46,769
So there's two possibilities
as to why she's taking on
533
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,091
characteristics of one of her victims.
534
00:35:50,092 --> 00:35:53,898
In one scenario, she
could be doing penance.
535
00:35:53,899 --> 00:35:56,965
Um, in having to experience
536
00:35:56,966 --> 00:35:59,970
all of the pain and..
537
00:35:59,971 --> 00:36:04,531
Emotions and, to some
extent, their lives.
538
00:36:05,434 --> 00:36:10,174
The other possibility
is that she's feeding.
539
00:36:12,981 --> 00:36:18,441
And she feeds off of them,
so she pulls their energy.
540
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,420
And.. So she can sustain herself.
541
00:36:25,059 --> 00:36:27,528
This person feels trapped.
542
00:36:27,529 --> 00:36:30,431
She blames the living
for being trapped here.
543
00:36:30,432 --> 00:36:35,302
I think she's trying to do
harm to someone who's here.
544
00:36:35,303 --> 00:36:39,083
She has targeted, um, a female.
545
00:36:39,124 --> 00:36:41,676
In the other house.
546
00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:46,038
She's trying to figure
out the best method to..
547
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,349
Inducing this person
548
00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:51,650
to fall down the stairs.
549
00:36:52,015 --> 00:36:54,789
This is what always amazes me about Amy.
550
00:36:54,790 --> 00:37:00,690
No one's told her that Logan's Mother
lives here, but she knew anyway.
551
00:37:01,034 --> 00:37:02,964
What else happened during the walk?
552
00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:05,633
I got very upset at one point.
553
00:37:05,634 --> 00:37:11,534
I got the information that someone was
trying to communicate with the dead here,
554
00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:17,060
and in doing so, had contributed
to trapping them here.
555
00:37:19,247 --> 00:37:22,142
This is the (Bleep) that
(Bleep) pisses me off.
556
00:37:22,143 --> 00:37:24,352
Oh, why don't you talk to
me, why don't you talk to me?
557
00:37:24,353 --> 00:37:25,609
Come on and talk to me.
558
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:28,430
I get very angry.
559
00:37:29,668 --> 00:37:34,168
Logan conducted 17
s�ances in this house.
560
00:37:34,489 --> 00:37:38,632
He thinks he might have caused this,
so he thinks he inadvertently started
561
00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:42,053
something he can't finish.
562
00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:46,569
I feel bad that I..
563
00:37:46,808 --> 00:37:48,528
That I sort of stirred things up,
564
00:37:48,529 --> 00:37:52,181
because I had no idea what
it would.. What it would do.
565
00:37:52,182 --> 00:37:55,340
I feel.. I feel guilty for..
566
00:37:55,341 --> 00:37:58,268
Maybe setting these things in motion.
567
00:37:58,269 --> 00:38:02,556
You have to understand, like,
when you're doing things like that,
568
00:38:02,557 --> 00:38:06,441
it actually puts them in
more physical pain. So..
569
00:38:06,442 --> 00:38:08,703
Maybe you're communicating with,
570
00:38:08,704 --> 00:38:10,265
you know, these people,
571
00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:13,725
um, and yeah, we want to get
rid of them and all of that.
572
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:19,366
Um, but the victims are in
already a state of confusion,
573
00:38:19,781 --> 00:38:25,681
and when you do that, it causes
them more pain, like, physical pain.
574
00:38:29,661 --> 00:38:34,045
The victims are still in their
death state, and they died here.
575
00:38:34,046 --> 00:38:36,476
They're not going anywhere.
576
00:38:36,477 --> 00:38:41,592
She's feeding off of them
so that she can become mobile
577
00:38:41,593 --> 00:38:44,221
and do whatever the
heck she wants to do,
578
00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:48,474
and what does she want
to do more than anything?
579
00:38:48,475 --> 00:38:51,355
She wants to kill.
580
00:38:51,378 --> 00:38:53,298
Yeah.
581
00:38:53,391 --> 00:38:58,548
And she feels, for whatever
reason, the attraction to..
582
00:38:58,549 --> 00:39:03,635
Your wife and your Mother
is her intended victim.
583
00:39:03,636 --> 00:39:05,971
And that's her goal right now.
584
00:39:05,972 --> 00:39:10,412
This is her path, and she's a murderer.
585
00:39:15,393 --> 00:39:19,383
Listen, it's clear how
serious this situation is.
586
00:39:19,384 --> 00:39:24,178
Um, the question is now,
is how do you undo it?
587
00:39:24,179 --> 00:39:29,159
Um, for that, Amy's
gonna have to answer that.
588
00:39:31,651 --> 00:39:35,377
So there's a lot of
different things here.
589
00:39:35,378 --> 00:39:37,445
The house..
590
00:39:37,446 --> 00:39:39,862
Why is it still here?
591
00:39:39,863 --> 00:39:42,651
Um, because I've been
taking pieces from it
592
00:39:42,652 --> 00:39:46,912
to use to finish the house next door.
593
00:39:47,803 --> 00:39:50,022
By getting rid of this house..
594
00:39:50,023 --> 00:39:53,128
You will be releasing,
595
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:55,082
so many people.
596
00:39:55,083 --> 00:39:57,026
The victims..
597
00:39:57,027 --> 00:39:59,553
Will be able to..
598
00:39:59,554 --> 00:40:01,205
Detach.
599
00:40:01,206 --> 00:40:04,653
And, granted, it's not gonna
be a wonderful process for them,
600
00:40:04,654 --> 00:40:06,755
but it's a process that
they've needed to go through
601
00:40:06,756 --> 00:40:09,658
for, like, a hundred years or something.
602
00:40:09,659 --> 00:40:14,397
So they'll detach from the
house, they'll detach from her,
603
00:40:14,398 --> 00:40:18,234
and they'll start to go
through their death process,
604
00:40:18,235 --> 00:40:24,135
so they'll actually go beyond just being
in that physical pain of just dying.
605
00:40:24,641 --> 00:40:28,456
I've encountered a lot of dead who
attach themselves to a property,
606
00:40:28,457 --> 00:40:31,794
or a part of a house, but
this case is different.
607
00:40:31,795 --> 00:40:34,533
The dead are connected
to the structure itself.
608
00:40:34,534 --> 00:40:38,588
Tearing it down should help
most of them to move on.
609
00:40:38,589 --> 00:40:41,598
As far as you're concerned..
610
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,534
You need to step out of
the paranormal for now.
611
00:40:46,535 --> 00:40:50,813
So I'm getting from what you're
saying that you think he's a sensitive.
612
00:40:50,814 --> 00:40:52,734
Yeah.
613
00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:57,524
I think we've thought that he's
been sensitive for a long time.
614
00:40:57,525 --> 00:41:00,143
You know, because so much
of this has happened to him
615
00:41:00,144 --> 00:41:03,412
- more than anybody else.
- Anybody else, right.
616
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:06,310
- Knocking off the s�ance nonsense..
- Yes.
617
00:41:06,311 --> 00:41:07,549
Is the first step.
618
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:09,968
I mean, this is not a game,
especially when she's talking
619
00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:12,288
- about your Mom maybe being in danger.
- Yeah.
620
00:41:12,289 --> 00:41:16,969
- Do not play games with this.
- Definitely.
621
00:41:18,033 --> 00:41:19,154
Shane, tell me the truth.
622
00:41:19,155 --> 00:41:22,521
Are you gonna listen to Amy
and tear this structure down?
623
00:41:22,522 --> 00:41:25,311
Well, I'm gonna tear it down, for sure.
624
00:41:25,312 --> 00:41:27,242
It's definitely coming down.
625
00:41:27,243 --> 00:41:29,278
How do you feel about that?
626
00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:33,571
N.. Now that I know what is
happening, I think it should go.
627
00:41:33,572 --> 00:41:35,492
Okay.
628
00:41:35,948 --> 00:41:38,269
Although the solution may sound extreme,
629
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:40,672
Logan and his family
face a lot of obstacles
630
00:41:40,673 --> 00:41:43,041
if they want to keep living here.
631
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:47,656
I really hope they follow my advice
so that both they and the dead
632
00:41:47,657 --> 00:41:50,538
can find some peace.
633
00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:53,041
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