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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,170 --> 00:00:05,340 Now, listen to this one. 2 00:00:05,365 --> 00:00:09,340 "The way scum like you helps people like David Koresh, 3 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:12,470 I hope all your children die of, uh..." 4 00:00:12,657 --> 00:00:13,837 sheesh. 5 00:00:13,875 --> 00:00:15,600 Okay. Let's stay focused here, can we? 6 00:00:15,707 --> 00:00:17,600 Why do you insist on reading that crap? 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,190 In case one of these maniacs puts a bullet in my head 8 00:00:20,215 --> 00:00:21,670 like they all say they're gonna. 9 00:00:21,695 --> 00:00:23,310 Give the cops a good place to start. 10 00:00:23,335 --> 00:00:24,990 Yeah, I'm not sure they'd try too hard 11 00:00:25,015 --> 00:00:26,826 to solve a case of the cop-killer defenders. 12 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:28,536 - Oh, yeah. - That's a dark thought. 13 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,000 - Well... - Shouldn't we be getting 14 00:00:30,060 --> 00:00:31,706 - security or something? - Don't worry. 15 00:00:31,730 --> 00:00:33,780 I'll protect you from those big mean letter writers. 16 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:35,330 See, guys? Nothing to worry about. 17 00:00:35,392 --> 00:00:36,950 Jocelyn's got our backs. 18 00:00:37,150 --> 00:00:38,450 Let's get back to it. 19 00:00:38,650 --> 00:00:40,040 Wait. 20 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,886 - Fan mail? - What do you think... 21 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:43,290 - Really? - Yeah. 22 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:45,920 - ...about that? - "Dear fine sirs... 23 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:50,550 I have been very..." all caps, 24 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:54,050 "interested in your case defending those Davidians. 25 00:00:54,250 --> 00:00:58,180 There are lots of people like me watching to see how this goes. 26 00:00:58,380 --> 00:01:00,690 Thank you for being such good patriots." 27 00:01:00,890 --> 00:01:03,650 Well, this is nice, isn't it? 28 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:05,900 Let's see. I'm going bankrupt. 29 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:08,030 My wife who I haven't seen in over a month 30 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:11,070 just filed for divorce. I'm living in squalor. 31 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:13,530 I'm getting about three hours of sleep every night 32 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:15,376 to fight a losing case for a bunch of people 33 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,870 who don't even like me, 34 00:01:17,070 --> 00:01:20,540 but when I hear the praises of adoring fans 35 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:22,370 like Tim McVeigh, 36 00:01:22,570 --> 00:01:24,920 makes it all worth it, doesn't it? 37 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,000 Now, can we get back to work? 38 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,460 Tense music plays 39 00:01:44,470 --> 00:01:48,020 theme music plays 40 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:49,340 You say you love America, 41 00:02:49,540 --> 00:02:52,380 but would you die for it? 42 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:56,430 Would you kill for it? 43 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:59,300 I mean, some things are worth fighting for. 44 00:03:00,630 --> 00:03:02,100 I wanna talk today 45 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:04,680 about making ourselves ready, 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,650 emotionally steeling ourselves 47 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:11,060 for the coming war. 48 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:17,660 The war against White America! 49 00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:19,820 I want you to picture 50 00:03:20,020 --> 00:03:22,790 what that's gonna be like. Picture... 51 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:25,830 the tanks rolling up our drives, 52 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:28,250 adrenaline coursing through your body. 53 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:32,130 I want you to picture yourself with your gun in your hand 54 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:34,210 and your kids behind you. 55 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:35,896 And I want you to picture that again, 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,180 and again, and again 57 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:42,050 until it become real to you. 58 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:44,310 So that when the time comes, 59 00:03:44,510 --> 00:03:46,980 you won't hesitate to pull the trigger. 60 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:52,520 Because having the nerve to pull the trigger 61 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,690 is precisely what... 62 00:03:54,890 --> 00:03:56,860 His granddaddy founded the Nazi party. 63 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,086 - No shit. - ...protect our home... 64 00:03:59,110 --> 00:04:00,740 I'd steer clear of 'em. 65 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:02,700 He's not the kind of guy you wanna mess with. 66 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:06,620 ...to protect our God-fearing way of life! 67 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:24,510 We've heard it said that David Koresh believed 68 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:27,060 he was preparing, 69 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:29,970 planning for a great war. 70 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:32,730 Did he ever express those beliefs 71 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:35,070 when he purchased these guns from you? 72 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:36,940 I didn't deal with David, 73 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:39,440 but I was aware of the philosophy, yes. 74 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:42,530 Who did you deal with? 75 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:45,320 I dealt almost exclusively with Paul Fatta. 76 00:04:45,820 --> 00:04:49,120 And you're referring to defendant Fatta 77 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,290 seated behind counsel over here? 78 00:04:51,490 --> 00:04:52,750 Yes. 79 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:54,470 Did Mr. Fatta seem knowledgeable 80 00:04:54,620 --> 00:04:55,630 when it came to guns? 81 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:57,090 Inside and out. 82 00:04:57,290 --> 00:05:00,470 And how many guns did Paul Fatta 83 00:05:00,670 --> 00:05:02,050 purchase from you? 84 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:05,050 About $90,000 worth. 85 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:10,890 Exhibit 103. 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,650 Can you tell us what this is 87 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:16,820 and where you found it? 88 00:05:17,020 --> 00:05:19,240 We found it in the compound, 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,490 in the chapel. 90 00:05:20,690 --> 00:05:23,530 And what type of weapon is this? 91 00:05:24,570 --> 00:05:26,120 It's an M-16 rifle. 92 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,950 I carried one in Vietnam 93 00:05:29,150 --> 00:05:31,330 for 11 months and seven days. 94 00:05:31,530 --> 00:05:34,080 Because it's a military weapon 95 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:35,790 built for war? 96 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:37,070 That's right. 97 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,260 Now, Ranger Boak, 98 00:05:39,460 --> 00:05:43,300 you've testified about finding a lot of evidence here. 99 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:45,140 Tell me this. 100 00:05:45,340 --> 00:05:47,580 Did you also happen to locate the building's front doors? 101 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:49,050 No, sir. 102 00:05:50,260 --> 00:05:51,600 Help me out here. 103 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,150 You were able to find this BIC lighter 104 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:59,690 but not two seven-foot doors? 105 00:05:59,890 --> 00:06:01,490 No. 106 00:06:01,690 --> 00:06:02,730 Why not? 107 00:06:04,110 --> 00:06:06,110 It must've burned with the rest of the building. 108 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:10,620 Burned? Both front doors? 109 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:12,200 That's right. 110 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:15,540 Uh-hmm. 111 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:17,886 But in the months leading up to the ATF's arrival 112 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:19,460 at Mount Carmel, 113 00:06:19,660 --> 00:06:22,880 what did you observe regarding their inventory? 114 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,550 We observed a dramatic increase 115 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:26,050 in their stockpile of weapons. 116 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:29,890 So, they were buying guns 117 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:31,520 but not selling them? 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Correct. 119 00:06:33,930 --> 00:06:35,810 I only have two questions. 120 00:06:36,010 --> 00:06:38,480 In your years of observation and research, 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,440 did the Davidians ever obtain a weapon illegally? 122 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:44,700 Not to my knowledge. 123 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:45,990 Okay. 124 00:06:46,190 --> 00:06:48,240 And just one more thing. 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,870 In your examination of all the evidence, 126 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:54,230 I don't reckon you saw those pesky missing front doors, 127 00:06:54,410 --> 00:06:55,950 did you? 128 00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:58,920 Lieutenant Caldwell, 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,000 could you tell us what the Mag Bag was? 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,240 The Mag Bag was a small tract of land 131 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:06,930 located on Farm Road outside of Waco. 132 00:07:07,130 --> 00:07:09,890 It was where Mr. Koresh and Mr. Fatta received shipments 133 00:07:10,090 --> 00:07:12,770 of weapons, ammunition, gun parts. 134 00:07:12,970 --> 00:07:14,736 And had you had any previous interactions 135 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,000 with David Koresh or Paul Fatta 136 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:17,770 that would lead you to believe... 137 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:20,570 - Objection! Objection! Approach? - That was the possibility? 138 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:22,780 Judge, this is a transparent attempt 139 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:24,740 to bring up my client, Paul Fatta's past, 140 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:26,240 which is entirely out of bounds. 141 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,070 It's germane to this case, Your Honor. 142 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:29,910 - Okay. - Mr. Fatta and Mr. Koresh 143 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:32,580 both have a previous charge of conspiracy to commit murder. 144 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:34,370 And the fact that he and his compatriots 145 00:07:34,570 --> 00:07:36,410 tried to kill a man in cold blood 146 00:07:36,610 --> 00:07:39,460 absolutely informed the ATF's decision-making process... 147 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:41,290 You mean your decision-making process. 148 00:07:41,490 --> 00:07:43,476 When they decided to stage a dynamic entry into Mount Carmel. 149 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:44,976 Paul Fatta wasn't even there when the tanks rolled in. 150 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,476 He wasn't there a single day of the standoff. 151 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:47,896 It doesn't matter if he wasn't there. 152 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:48,936 And if Mr. Johnston wants to prove 153 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,200 that there was some conspiracy, 154 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:51,820 he should do it with relevant evidence 155 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,566 and not unfounded accusations from the '80s. 156 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:54,606 Mr. Fatta is a defendant in this... 157 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:55,680 Stop. 158 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:58,270 I have already ruled on this, Mr. Johnston. 159 00:07:58,470 --> 00:07:59,650 Yes, Your Honor. 160 00:07:59,850 --> 00:08:01,150 The defendant's previous charges 161 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:03,900 are not in the purview of this case. 162 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:05,100 Objection sustained. 163 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:07,070 Thank you. Thank you. 164 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:09,150 You can't keep all your skeletons in the closet. 165 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,070 Neither can you, fucko. 166 00:08:15,410 --> 00:08:16,870 No further questions. 167 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,370 Your witness. 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,040 I only have one question. 169 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:26,460 You wouldn't happen to know where the front doors 170 00:08:26,660 --> 00:08:29,210 from Mount Carmel ended up, would you? 171 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,260 No? Okay. 172 00:08:33,550 --> 00:08:36,050 Dramatic music plays 173 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:53,740 Can I do for you, George? 174 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:58,000 We're gonna settle this now. 175 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,280 Settle what? 176 00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:01,580 Who's the real prophet. 177 00:09:03,330 --> 00:09:05,500 We're gonna see who can bring her back. 178 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:06,920 Bring who back? 179 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:09,710 My mother. 180 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:13,890 Your lies put her in the ground. 181 00:09:14,090 --> 00:09:15,680 I just took her out. 182 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,240 What are you talking about, George? 183 00:09:17,380 --> 00:09:18,700 What do you mean you took her out? 184 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,100 I dug her up. 185 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:25,900 You dug up Lois's body? 186 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:27,230 Why would you do that? 187 00:09:29,020 --> 00:09:31,940 Whoever can raise my momma from the dead... 188 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,490 will be the next true prophet of Mount Carmel. 189 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:41,750 Sheriff, 190 00:09:41,950 --> 00:09:43,500 what do you mean you can't do anything? 191 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:45,710 George dug up his own dead mother! 192 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:48,090 - It's an abomination! - Look, Vernon. 193 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:50,380 I drove by Mount Carmel after you called. 194 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:52,050 I didn't see any dug-up bodies. 195 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:53,680 George told me himself! 196 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,930 Yeah, George says a lot of crazy things. 197 00:09:56,130 --> 00:09:58,180 Unless you have actual evidence 198 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:00,720 of corpse abuse or some other crime, 199 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,760 there's not much that I can do. 200 00:10:03,220 --> 00:10:05,060 Maybe the best course of action is for y'all 201 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:06,610 to stay away from Mount Carmel. 202 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:08,730 Just leave George Roden be. 203 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:11,190 He's the one that called me! 204 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:13,570 I think he's fixing to come after us. 205 00:10:13,770 --> 00:10:15,240 Well, then you might wanna think 206 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,320 about getting something to defend yourself with. 207 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:25,090 Mr. Cogdell. Mr. Cogdell. 208 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,750 Do you think it's the doors that prove who shot first? 209 00:10:27,950 --> 00:10:29,290 I do. 210 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:32,800 But, but those doors are also a symbol 211 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,470 for all the questionable behavior 212 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:36,670 the Federal government has taken part in. 213 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:39,970 Listen, listen. 214 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:42,770 The ATF shows up with more cameras 215 00:10:42,970 --> 00:10:46,270 than a Hollywood blockbuster, but there's no footage. 216 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:49,440 They lose power at the morgue so no autopsies can be done. 217 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,780 Christ, they bulldozed the whole crime scene 218 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:54,020 and then they bleached it for good measure. 219 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,320 This is what happens when you have the architect 220 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,520 of a government raid, 221 00:10:58,690 --> 00:11:00,950 the man who demanded the ATF 222 00:11:01,150 --> 00:11:04,410 go in with a hard entry, also prosecuting the same case. 223 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:06,086 You saying there's some sort 224 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:07,636 - of government cover-up? - No, I'm just saying 225 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:09,790 that Bill Johnston has a vested interest 226 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:12,750 in convicting these people, that's for damn sure. 227 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,130 I heard you with the press saying I'm corrupt. 228 00:11:16,330 --> 00:11:17,630 That's way out of bounds. 229 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,520 It's called zealously defending my clients. 230 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:20,830 You can't win with the facts, 231 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,146 so you're trying to turn this thing 232 00:11:22,170 --> 00:11:23,810 into a government cover-up, 233 00:11:24,010 --> 00:11:25,696 and you're dragging my name through the mud to do it, 234 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,440 like I had some ulterior motive. 235 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,980 I sanctioned that raid 236 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:31,480 because I was trying to save those kids. 237 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,560 Save those kids with a forcible entry? 238 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:37,610 I'm doing my job the best way I know how. 239 00:11:37,810 --> 00:11:39,490 Now, you don't agree with it? Fine. 240 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:41,330 But let's fight fair, Dan. 241 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:43,160 You want me to fight fair? 242 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,870 You've got the public, the press, 243 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:47,040 and the United States government behind you. 244 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,450 And all I've got is a booth at the Polo Lounge. 245 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,500 I'm not gonna play with one-hand tied behind my back. 246 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:57,130 You want me to shut up? Find those doors. 247 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:02,470 tense music plays 248 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:23,950 Listen, when the prosecutor starts picking fights 249 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:25,876 with you in the hall, it means you're doing something right. 250 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:27,700 Hmm. 251 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:29,710 Yeah, yeah, except... 252 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:31,170 Except what? 253 00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:33,000 You've been watching the forewoman? 254 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Um... 255 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:38,340 juror number six? 256 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:40,220 She's the poison juror. 257 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:42,720 I can just tell. She's itching to say the G-word. 258 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,060 Yeah. Well, that's why we have 11 more 259 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:46,680 because all you need is one. 260 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:49,730 Jocelyn, you'd acquit our clients, wouldn't you? 261 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:51,440 Hell no. 262 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,900 They're guilty as shit. 263 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:54,520 Just like their defense lawyers. 264 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,570 Ow. Ow. 265 00:12:56,770 --> 00:12:58,690 Number six, she's the top dog. 266 00:12:58,890 --> 00:13:00,576 - She could sway the rest. - Listen, don't... 267 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,860 Don't worry about number six. I'm gonna focus on her. 268 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:04,416 I'm gonna make her feel like the prettiest, 269 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,740 most special juror in the world. 270 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,750 Ask Jocelyn if I can't sweet-talk 271 00:13:08,950 --> 00:13:10,040 the legs off a chair. 272 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Dan, if you were half as charming 273 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:12,620 as you think you are, 274 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:14,096 you'd be the best lawyer on earth. 275 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,460 Ooh. 276 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:16,980 Is that flirting? Is she flirting? 277 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,720 - No, that is not... - Jesus, Gordon! 278 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,090 God. God! I gotta put a bell on you. 279 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:23,760 Think I may have an answer for you 280 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,890 on those front doors. 281 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:31,270 Whoa. Is this Mount Carmel? 282 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:33,350 What is this, Gordon? What am I looking at here? 283 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:35,980 This was taken at 3:55 p.m., 284 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:38,900 a couple hours after the fire started. 285 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:42,070 And these are FBI agents 286 00:13:42,270 --> 00:13:44,610 loading something into a truck. 287 00:13:44,820 --> 00:13:46,580 Something about the size and shape of a door. 288 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:48,450 Yeah, which was so daggone important 289 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:49,950 that they had to grab it 290 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:51,990 while the building was still smoldering. 291 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:56,170 You crazy son of a bitch. 292 00:13:56,370 --> 00:13:57,870 - This is it. - That's it. 293 00:13:58,330 --> 00:13:59,920 You think these are the front doors 294 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,136 being loaded into this truck? 295 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,420 I do, Your Honor. 296 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:04,260 This is absurd. 297 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:05,800 That's not real evidence. 298 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,680 You can hardly see anything in that photo. 299 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:08,986 I could say they're loading Bigfoot 300 00:14:09,010 --> 00:14:10,270 into the back of that truck. 301 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:11,816 - It's pretty blurry, Counselor. - Well, 302 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,280 uh, either way, the fact that the FBI 303 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:14,946 was loading anything into the back of a U-Haul 304 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:16,440 while a building is still smoldering 305 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,480 is information the jury deserves to know. 306 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:21,490 Your Honor, the defense has obtained a blurry photo 307 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:24,150 from a conspiracy theorist who got it from who-knows-where. 308 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:25,820 How do you know where I got it from? 309 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:28,200 It wasn't in discovery. 310 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,040 Are you spying on me? 311 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,370 - Judge? - Cogdell, 312 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:33,660 get ahold of yourself. 313 00:14:33,860 --> 00:14:35,370 Besides, 314 00:14:35,570 --> 00:14:37,290 we have our own evidence we'd like to submit 315 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:39,290 which will address these ridiculous claims. 316 00:14:39,490 --> 00:14:40,550 And what's that? 317 00:14:40,750 --> 00:14:42,050 We found the door, Your Honor. 318 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:43,250 The door? What door? 319 00:14:43,420 --> 00:14:44,670 - What door? - Yeah. 320 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,520 The one you've been asking about non-stop. 321 00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:49,470 The one you claim is gonna flip this whole case on its head. 322 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:51,680 We're bringing it in. 323 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,300 Should put your concerns to rest. 324 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,640 Dramatic music plays 325 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:05,530 May it please the Court, 326 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:07,050 the government would like to offer 327 00:15:07,190 --> 00:15:10,110 Government Exhibit Number 728. 328 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,080 Jesus, what a showman. 329 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,080 You hear what he said earlier? 330 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,210 That a conspiracy theorist gave us the photo? 331 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:20,540 Do you think they've got the Polo Lounge bugged? 332 00:15:20,740 --> 00:15:22,880 We found the door in Sector F, 333 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,050 approximately 40 feet away from the building. 334 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,390 And did you realize it was the front door? 335 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:29,590 No, sir. 336 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:31,010 It was located so far away 337 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:32,430 from the front of the building 338 00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:35,430 we classified it as a piece of scrap metal. 339 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,390 And when did you come to realize 340 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:39,100 that it was the front door? 341 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:41,730 When we re-canvassed the evidence warehouse yesterday 342 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:44,030 at your urging and found it. 343 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:47,070 Now, does this door 344 00:15:47,270 --> 00:15:49,700 appear to have any bullet holes in it? 345 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:51,110 No, sir. 346 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:53,910 So there is nothing here 347 00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:56,750 that contradicts any of the earlier ATF testimony 348 00:15:56,950 --> 00:15:59,750 stating that the Davidians fired first? 349 00:15:59,950 --> 00:16:02,380 No. 350 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:04,750 Were you aware that the cult compound 351 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,476 - originally had two front doors? - Yes. 352 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:07,940 We re-canvassed for that one as well, 353 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:11,010 but didn't find it, which wasn't surprising. 354 00:16:12,170 --> 00:16:13,340 Why not? 355 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,560 It was still attached to the building. 356 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,060 It melted when the building burned. 357 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:19,560 Objection. Speculation. 358 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,946 The witness has no first-hand knowledge 359 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:22,770 that the other door melted. 360 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:25,230 Uh-hmm. Sustained. 361 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:26,430 All right. 362 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,990 Ranger Boak, 363 00:16:28,190 --> 00:16:31,110 why do you believe the other front door melted? 364 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:34,450 Because the doors were aluminum with foam cores. 365 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:36,050 And it was subjected to temperatures 366 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:38,120 in excess of 1300 degrees Fahrenheit 367 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,660 during the fire. 368 00:16:39,870 --> 00:16:42,080 Aluminum melts at 1200. 369 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,750 And why didn't this door melt? 370 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,040 You see those marks? 371 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:50,670 They're from the treads of a tank. 372 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:53,510 And when the tanks penetrated the compound entryway, 373 00:16:53,710 --> 00:16:55,640 we believe the door got caught in the treads 374 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,770 and was dragged to the place that we found it. 375 00:16:57,970 --> 00:16:59,310 Well clear of the fire. 376 00:16:59,510 --> 00:17:00,946 Could you go get something for me? 377 00:17:00,970 --> 00:17:02,690 Now, Ranger Boak, 378 00:17:02,890 --> 00:17:07,100 you didn't realize that this was a door initially. 379 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:10,990 Is that common, to miscategorize evidence? 380 00:17:11,190 --> 00:17:13,990 It's not common but it happens, 381 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:16,700 particularly if there's a large volume of evidence. 382 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:21,330 Final question, were you and the Texas Rangers 383 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:23,670 part of a massive conspiracy 384 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:27,250 headed by the Federal government to hide this door? 385 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:31,880 I reckon not, sir. 386 00:17:35,130 --> 00:17:36,430 No further questions. 387 00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:40,430 Sheriff said we needed proof of, um, 388 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:43,730 what'd he call it? 389 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:45,480 - Corpse abuse. - Corpse abuse 390 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,690 in order to do anything about it. 391 00:17:47,890 --> 00:17:49,690 Well... 392 00:17:49,890 --> 00:17:51,570 what if we gave him some proof? 393 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,610 Like a picture? 394 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,990 We can't just go to Mount Carmel and snap a picture. 395 00:18:00,490 --> 00:18:02,210 George carries around an Uzi. 396 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:03,500 He's... 397 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:05,830 He's crazy. 398 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:07,340 I mean, you heard the Sheriff, 399 00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:09,460 he said we might need to arm ourselves. 400 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,260 So what if we did? 401 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:13,550 All right. 402 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:15,890 We'll take, uh, five of the Rugers 403 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:19,180 and, uh, throw in some of them camo suits too. 404 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:20,380 You got it. 405 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,320 We're here. 406 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:47,920 All right. 407 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,420 Everybody stay quiet and stay close. 408 00:18:50,620 --> 00:18:52,880 We're just getting a few photos and then getting out. 409 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,080 All right? 410 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,840 Tense music plays 411 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:03,680 Okay. Come on. 412 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,660 Vernon! 413 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:03,990 Suspenseful music plays 414 00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:04,950 No. No, George. 415 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Go, go, go! 416 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,340 You're trespassing! 417 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:14,000 Sneaking around my property! 418 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:18,920 suspenseful music plays 419 00:20:53,370 --> 00:20:54,610 George, no! 420 00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:55,740 Ah! 421 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:57,630 Oh! Oh! 422 00:21:00,790 --> 00:21:02,050 You all right? 423 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:03,720 Guess you got to learn how to shoot. 424 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,010 Won't be the last time we got to defend ourselves. 425 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:11,020 Suspenseful music plays 426 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,650 Beast is coming. 427 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:27,820 Drop your weapons! 428 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:30,620 On the ground! 429 00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:47,600 ATF agents testified 430 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,140 that the Davidians shot first 431 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:52,440 and that those shots... 432 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,980 went through the front doors. 433 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:58,780 But the Davidians have stated that it was the ATF 434 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:01,900 who shot at them through those same doors. 435 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,410 But this door has no bullet holes in it, correct? 436 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:08,120 Not that I see. 437 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,400 So it must be the other door, the still-missing door, 438 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:12,466 that was shot through and it would be the other door 439 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:16,040 that would prove which side was telling the truth. 440 00:22:16,910 --> 00:22:19,170 Yes. It... it appears that way. 441 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:23,760 Well, that's bad luck, isn't it? 442 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,380 Uh, a moment, Judge. 443 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,390 - Oh... shit. - That's all I could find. 444 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:37,980 So, you believe the other door melted. 445 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,366 - Yes. - Because it was made 446 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:40,400 of aluminum. 447 00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:43,110 That's what I said. 448 00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:46,160 And those guns right there didn't melt 449 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:47,620 because they're made of steel, 450 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:49,330 which has a much higher melting point? 451 00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:51,830 Yes. 452 00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:54,120 So if the other door was made of steel, 453 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,700 would it have melted? 454 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:58,250 No. 455 00:22:58,790 --> 00:23:01,750 Yet that door seems awfully heavy. 456 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,340 Well, I mean, my daddy was a contractor. 457 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:07,800 Uh, I'd help him demo houses. 458 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,520 We pulled down a lot of aluminum doors. 459 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:11,560 I could carry one under one arm. 460 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Sure didn't take three men to pick one up. 461 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,350 I... I couldn't speak to that. 462 00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:20,390 Well, then let me ask you this, Ranger Boak. 463 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,820 Is aluminum magnetic? 464 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,530 Objection! 465 00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:29,160 Ranger Boak is a lay witness, not a metals expert. 466 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,410 I'll allow it. 467 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:33,540 No, it's not magnetic. 468 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:35,870 How about steel? 469 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:38,040 I believe so, yes. 470 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,880 So this refrigerator magnet, 471 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,960 would it stick to aluminum? 472 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:45,840 Um, no, it... it wouldn't. 473 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,010 Tense music plays 474 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:18,370 Do you still believe this door is made of aluminum? 475 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:26,670 No, sir, it looks to be made of steel. 476 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,930 And if this door is made of steel, 477 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:30,970 wouldn't it stand to reason that the other door 478 00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:34,640 it was attached to was also made of steel? 479 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:41,680 The witness needs to respond verbally. 480 00:24:43,890 --> 00:24:45,020 Yes. 481 00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:47,940 So then, Ranger Boak, 482 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:49,730 I'll ask you again... 483 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:53,530 where is the missing door? 484 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:30,780 Oh, hey. 485 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:32,820 Do you... do you need the phone? 486 00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:34,660 Because I can wait, it's not urgent. 487 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:36,030 Hello? 488 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:39,740 No, go ahead. 489 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:44,290 Hello? Hello? 490 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:45,710 Hey, Daddy. 491 00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:47,170 Oh, Carol. 492 00:25:47,370 --> 00:25:48,690 Oh, it's so good to hear from you. 493 00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:50,840 - Are you safe? - Yeah, yeah. 494 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,470 I, I just wanted you to know that, 495 00:25:52,670 --> 00:25:54,340 that I made it to my friend's place okay. 496 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:56,760 You know, I didn't... I didn't want you to worry. 497 00:25:56,970 --> 00:26:00,220 Yeah, that's good to hear because I was worried. 498 00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:02,260 Your mom and I were both worried. 499 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:05,560 When do you think we'll see you again? 500 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,360 Uh, it's hard to say, you know, 501 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,366 but I... but I should go because there's someone 502 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:10,830 waiting on the phone, so I, you know, 503 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:12,700 I just didn't want you to think I got lost. 504 00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:14,410 Well, hey, thanks for calling. 505 00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:15,700 You called... 506 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,780 Hmm. 507 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,080 Ah, that was Carol. 508 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,750 She's still in play. 509 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,000 You sure she's just not looking to get more candy money? 510 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:31,550 What's your name? 511 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:33,220 I don't know you. 512 00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:36,220 Woo. Good girl. You taught her well. 513 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:39,430 Okay, kiddo, we're gonna get you to daycare. 514 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:45,770 Government has charged my clients with conspiracy. 515 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:49,400 They claim that Paul Fatta was a blood merchant, 516 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,030 the architect of some violent plot 517 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:55,240 when he was just a man trying to run a business. 518 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,740 But after what we saw today I can't help but wonder 519 00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:59,870 if it's the government who shouldn't be answering 520 00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:01,160 for their actions, 521 00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:04,290 if it's the government who is conspiring against 522 00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:07,540 my clients, whose only crime was leading 523 00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:10,290 a life the government didn't agree with. 524 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:16,090 And now that same government refuses to take responsibility 525 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:18,090 for its actions, and in fact is willing to do 526 00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:21,060 whatever it takes to cover it up, 527 00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:24,430 even if it means hurting innocent people. 528 00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:28,100 But that malfeasance, that arrogance 529 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,820 has dangerous consequences 530 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:32,020 for my clients 531 00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:33,980 and for the rest of this country. 532 00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:36,400 Lori Rae? 533 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,786 You're on the Waco jury, right? 534 00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:38,810 What? 535 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:42,160 No, I don't wanna talk. 536 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:43,950 The Constitution of the United States 537 00:27:44,150 --> 00:27:45,740 gives jurors great powers. 538 00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:49,200 I'm here to inform you of your choices. 539 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:56,300 Please, leave! 540 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,000 Please! 541 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,100 I'm calling the police! 542 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,350 You can make the right choice. 543 00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:08,140 Please! 544 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:11,350 Suspenseful music plays 545 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:35,170 Before we get started, I wanna make you all aware 546 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,510 of something, 547 00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:38,270 five of our jurors had letters delivered 548 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:41,840 to their homes this weekend by a group called FIJA, 549 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,310 the Fully Informed Jury Association. 550 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:47,020 Pamphlets claim 551 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:48,986 the rules of the court don't apply to the jury 552 00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:51,520 and they can make up whatever verdict they see fit. 553 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,020 - To the jurors' homes? - Yes. 554 00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:55,820 One of the jurors, juror number six, 555 00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:57,860 said she was practically accosted. 556 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:00,070 She's pretty shaken up about it. 557 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:05,530 Any of you all familiar with this group? 558 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:06,940 Are you asking us, Your Honor? 559 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:08,370 I'm asking everyone. 560 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:10,210 It just seems like the implication 561 00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:12,710 is that the defense might benefit from this. 562 00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:14,346 I think you're reading into my question. 563 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:16,050 I'm not implying anything, counselor. 564 00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:19,220 I'm just concerned that if-if the jury thinks 565 00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:20,720 these people are aligned with... 566 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,566 I will tell the jury they have nothing to do 567 00:29:22,590 --> 00:29:24,050 with anyone involved in the trial. 568 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:25,930 That would be much appreciated. Thank you. 569 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:28,680 So long as they believe they can remain impartial. 570 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,390 - Let's get started. - Thank you. 571 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:48,216 Your Honor, the government calls 572 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Kathy Schroeder to the stand. 573 00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:59,800 So you were a member of this group, 574 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,460 a Branch Davidian? 575 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,760 I was. Yes. 576 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,680 This must be very hard for you 577 00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:09,510 to testify against your own people. 578 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,940 Yeah, it is. 579 00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:16,770 When the ATF arrived on February 28th 580 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:19,110 to serve their warrant, 581 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:20,900 and a gunfight erupted, 582 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,650 were you tasked with any kind of job? 583 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:24,950 Yes. 584 00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:28,450 I was the one who made sure that everybody 585 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:30,830 had a gun and made sure that everybody 586 00:30:31,030 --> 00:30:33,410 had the right ammunition to go with it. 587 00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:35,006 - No! They're gonna kill you. - Why? 588 00:30:35,030 --> 00:30:36,346 - I don't care! - Give me that gun! 589 00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:38,170 Give me that gun! 590 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:41,130 And why were you entrusted with this job? 591 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:42,750 I'd been in the Air Force. 592 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,710 So it was like a military exercise? 593 00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:48,140 It was something we'd trained for. 594 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:50,470 And the people that you were passing out 595 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:53,100 these weapons to, did they take them 596 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,660 - with the intent to use them? - Objection. Speculation. 597 00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:57,650 I'll rephrase. 598 00:30:57,850 --> 00:31:00,320 Was it your understanding that the weapons would be used? 599 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,980 Absolutely. 600 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:03,980 And are some of the people that you passed out 601 00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:06,570 these weapons to here today? 602 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:09,200 Yes. 603 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,490 Let's get specific. 604 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:13,000 During the raid, 605 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,290 did you have any contact with Ruth Riddle? 606 00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:20,380 I gave Ruth a gun and nine mags. 607 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:22,750 Can you identify Ruth Riddle? 608 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,420 I'm sorry, Ruth. 609 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,970 Let the record show that Mrs. Schroeder 610 00:31:30,170 --> 00:31:32,050 has identified Ruth Riddle. 611 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:35,980 What contact did you have with Clive Doyle 612 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:37,560 concerning firearms? 613 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,230 I gave Clive the .308. 614 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:43,770 Can you identify Clive Doyle? 615 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,910 Did you have any contact with Livingstone Fagan 616 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:52,700 concerning firearms? 617 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:54,740 Livingstone was already carrying an AK, 618 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:56,870 so I just made sure he had ammo. 619 00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:59,830 Did you have any contact with Paul Fatta 620 00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:01,880 concerning firearms? 621 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,630 Not on the day of the raid, 622 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,290 but he purchased the guns. 623 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:11,050 So David Koresh 624 00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:13,890 instructed you to hand out 625 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:16,600 the weapons Paul Fatta purchased 626 00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:19,060 to these defendants? 627 00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:20,260 Yes. 628 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,400 We all had guns. You get it? We all had guns. 629 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,070 We all... we all knew what was coming. 630 00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:30,410 David always said, "If you can't kill for God, 631 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:32,450 you can't die for God." 632 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:35,870 And was David Koresh willing to die? 633 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:37,790 Of course. 634 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,290 We all were. 635 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:42,830 We were the army of God. 636 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:47,920 Even, even David's name, 637 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,380 David Koresh, 638 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:51,800 that means "Beloved Death." 639 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,100 So... when David Koresh 640 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:02,100 believed he was dying from his gunshot wounds, 641 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,190 was there a plan in case he died? 642 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,780 We were supposed to carry David 643 00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:12,150 out the front door on a stretcher. 644 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,200 If he wasn't dead yet, 645 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,540 we were gonna shoot him in the head. 646 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:25,330 And then we were supposed to open fire on the FBI agents. 647 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,590 And why would you want to do that? 648 00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:37,180 To-to-to... 649 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:41,600 to draw their fire. 650 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:44,890 So they'd kill us all. 651 00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:52,570 See, you had to know the real David. 652 00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:55,240 He was never gonna surrender. 653 00:33:57,950 --> 00:34:00,330 Sorry. 654 00:34:00,530 --> 00:34:02,910 He was never gonna let us go. 655 00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:07,960 And how did you know that? 656 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,250 Because... 657 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:13,800 he'd conditioned us. 658 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,390 Oh, he did. 659 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:26,400 He conditioned us for years 660 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,360 to believe that we were headed 661 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360 for an armed showdown with the... 662 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200 With the forces of the Beast. 663 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,030 The Beast? 664 00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:38,030 From the Book of Revelation. 665 00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:40,040 So, 666 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,500 when the ATF arrived at your door, 667 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:46,040 you believed they were those forces? 668 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,410 And you were ready for battle. 669 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,290 Yeah, we were. 670 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,510 And you were conditioned to believe 671 00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:02,760 that it would be a battle to the death? 672 00:35:04,850 --> 00:35:05,970 Yes. 673 00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:10,690 So, no matter what the government did, 674 00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:14,360 no matter how many chances they gave the Branch Davidians 675 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,980 to come out of Mount Carmel, 676 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,150 you weren't coming out alive? 677 00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:26,460 No. 678 00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:29,660 Dramatic music plays 679 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,380 It's not too late, you know. 680 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,680 We could pick a different place. 681 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:47,350 Bet most of those kids never even heard of Waco. 682 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:51,980 We kill a bunch of kids, 683 00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:55,360 who's to say we're any better than the ATF? 684 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:59,780 Yeah. Hello? 685 00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:01,910 Gary, Sanborn here. 686 00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:03,790 Oh hey, Alan, what's up? 687 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:06,290 I need you on a plane in a couple hours. 688 00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:09,420 I passed off the negotiations team to Hendricks. 689 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:11,630 It's not a negotiation. 690 00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:14,300 I need you in Texas ASAP. 691 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,880 You're being called to testify in the Waco trial tomorrow. 692 00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:22,470 What? The... 693 00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:25,470 the prosecution wants me to testify? 694 00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:27,720 No, the defense does. 695 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,440 - The defense? Why? - I don't know. 696 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,020 Maybe they caught wind of your little meltdown 697 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:35,940 with the DOJ, where you said Waco 698 00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:37,530 was all the government's fault. 699 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:38,996 That's not what I said. 700 00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:40,660 Well, either way, 701 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:43,120 they want you on the stand tomorrow. 702 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,540 Jesus. No, I... no, no. 703 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:48,160 I don't have time for that, Alan. 704 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,830 Can you make it go away? 705 00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:51,306 No, I cannot. It's a Federal subpoena. 706 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:54,000 I... This is bad timing, Alan. 707 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,800 I just got a CI into Elohim City. 708 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,290 What? 709 00:36:59,420 --> 00:37:01,010 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 710 00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:03,510 Who the hell gave you clearance to send a CI in there? 711 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:05,220 I sure as hell didn't, Gary. 712 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,020 If that unauthorized CI turns up dead, 713 00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:08,730 your career is over. 714 00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:10,020 I realize that. 715 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:11,580 That's why I can't leave right now. 716 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,120 I don't like you testifying 717 00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:15,150 any more than you do. 718 00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:18,570 You go down there and you show that you know how to play ball. 719 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:20,740 If you want support out there in Oklahoma, 720 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:23,740 then you're gonna have to show us that you are a team player. 721 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:31,710 Are you stupid? 722 00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:34,670 You had no right to do this without talking to us. 723 00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:36,386 This right here is how you lose our whole case. 724 00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:39,920 I'm sorry. Were you in there just now? 725 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,260 Because Kathy Schroeder just destroyed us. 726 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:46,350 Look, our whole case is built on self-defense, 727 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:49,390 on the idea that the government attacked the Davidians. 728 00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:51,470 But the jury is not gonna give a shit about that 729 00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:53,630 if they think the Davidians already had a death wish 730 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,270 and were gonna kill themselves no matter what. 731 00:37:56,690 --> 00:38:00,570 So our job, our most important job, 732 00:38:00,770 --> 00:38:03,410 is to show the jury that our clients 733 00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:07,160 were actual people, people who wanted to live. 734 00:38:07,570 --> 00:38:10,790 And that the choices the ATF and the FBI made 735 00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:13,620 are what resulted in all those people dying. 736 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:16,040 We could put their friends on the stand... 737 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,750 - No, no. - Their family. 738 00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:21,050 Come on. Somebody's mama ain't gonna convince the jury. 739 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:23,260 But if we can get a badge up there and he says 740 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:26,170 that these were real people, people who wanted to live... 741 00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:30,100 then we're cooking with gas. 742 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,810 So, just to be clear, you're gonna put 743 00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:36,100 a professional negotiator on the stand 744 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:38,190 and hope you can get him to crack? 745 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:41,320 It's a Hail Mary at best. 746 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,110 Well, we need a Hail Mary 747 00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:47,360 and we need it to connect or we lose. 748 00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:08,300 I am so tired of people spreading lies about David, 749 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,760 especially when the lies are coming from one of our own. 750 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,200 How could she say those things? 751 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:14,600 That we wanted this to happen? 752 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,980 We wanted all the people we love to die? 753 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:18,480 - It's insane. - Uh-hmm. 754 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,060 It's like letting Judas write the Gospel. 755 00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:24,900 I'm gonna testify. 756 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:29,370 Your lawyer is letting you speak? 757 00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:31,250 - Mine won't let me. - Neither will mine. 758 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,830 I don't care. 759 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:35,210 I have a legal right to testify if I want to. 760 00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:38,540 - We all do. - Uh, she's right. 761 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:41,000 It doesn't matter that the lawyers said no. 762 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,550 Legally, they can't stop us. 763 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:44,340 And our lawyers are not listening to us. 764 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:46,510 No one is listening to us. 765 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:48,260 So we have to make them listen. 766 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,300 I don't know. 767 00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:54,980 We are good people. 768 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:56,890 Someone needs to say it. 769 00:39:57,430 --> 00:40:00,600 We're not monsters. David's not a monster. 770 00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:03,650 The jury needs to hear that David would never do 771 00:40:03,850 --> 00:40:05,440 anything to hurt us. 772 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,150 He loved us. 773 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:13,540 - Someone should say something. - Uh-hmm. 774 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:16,740 Dramatic music plays 775 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:41,900 Hey, mama. 776 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:43,730 What the hell were you thinking, 777 00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:45,770 shooting at George Roden like that? 778 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:49,200 - Well, they let me go. - And if they didn't? 779 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,416 If they kept you in jail, you think these friends of yours 780 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,620 would still be there when you got out? 781 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:57,250 - God told me that... - Oh, don't give me that crap! 782 00:40:57,450 --> 00:40:59,040 They might buy this whole messiah thing 783 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,756 you've been feeding them, but I remember 784 00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:02,096 when you were still pissing your bed. 785 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,120 Stop! 786 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:13,800 God speaks to me! 787 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,680 - Vernon? - He didn't choose you! 788 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,310 He didn't choose Grandma! 789 00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:18,810 He chose me! 790 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:20,100 Me! 791 00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,560 - Vernon! - Not anymore. 792 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,270 You gave me that name. 793 00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:26,550 But God's got bigger plans for me than you could ever 794 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,610 even thought of! 795 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:29,110 Just get in the car. 796 00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:31,490 God's given me a new name. 797 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:33,120 David Koresh. 798 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,920 From now on, you will call me by my name! 799 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:37,620 I will call you by your given name! 800 00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:39,120 Your real name! 801 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,500 David Koresh is my real name! 802 00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,840 Or do you think you know better than God? 803 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,840 And is it God then who told you 804 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,300 to impregnate Rachel's little sister? 805 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:50,970 What is she, 14? 806 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:53,640 You were 14 when you had me! 807 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,260 And I remember what it felt 808 00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:57,640 like to be a 14-year-old mother. 809 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,600 You know how that felt? 810 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,220 Like I was too young! 811 00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:11,320 I follow where God leads 812 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,030 and if you can't get with the program, then... 813 00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:16,310 Well, then you'll never see these grandkids of yours. 814 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,490 How does that sound to you? Is that what you want? 815 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:21,370 And they'll ask me, "Daddy, why don't I have a grandma?" 816 00:42:21,570 --> 00:42:23,730 And I'll say, "Oh, you do have one out there somewhere, 817 00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:27,250 but she always had to know best, better than God." 818 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:31,470 Some souls just can't be led to the spirit, 819 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:34,420 no matter how hard you scream and shout at them. 820 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,680 Fine. 821 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,930 Just get back in the car. 822 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:47,890 Get back in the car what? 823 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:52,480 Get back in the car, please. 824 00:42:58,820 --> 00:43:02,070 Get back in the car please, David. 825 00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:05,386 They're coming for your guns! 826 00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:06,830 They're coming for your kids! 827 00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:08,420 They're coming for your guns! 828 00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:09,880 They're coming for your kids! 829 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,420 They're coming for your guns! 830 00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:13,090 They're coming for your kids! 831 00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:14,670 They're coming for your guns! 832 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,220 They're coming for your kids! 833 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:17,720 They're coming for your guns! 834 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,260 They're coming for your kids! 835 00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:20,890 They're coming for your guns! 836 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:22,430 They're coming for your kids! 837 00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:24,390 They're coming for your guns! 838 00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:26,066 - They're coming for your kids! - Is it always like this? 839 00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:27,520 Been a circus since day one. 840 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,440 I've been telling them we need more support, 841 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,400 especially after one of the jurors was followed home. 842 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,160 - What? - These guys are coming here 843 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:35,520 from all over the country. 844 00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:56,880 So, you gonna ask Noesner about the missing door? 845 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,670 Yeah, probably. 846 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,430 Hey, where is everyone? 847 00:44:01,630 --> 00:44:03,930 Hmm, maybe the bus is late. 848 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:05,510 Oh, shit. Now what? 849 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,270 What's up? 850 00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:12,110 It seems we got a bit of a mutiny on our hands. 851 00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:15,780 You're denying us our constitutional rights. 852 00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:18,570 We have a 6th Amendment right to self-representation, 853 00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:20,120 and you're denying us that right. 854 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,830 Is this about testifying again? 855 00:44:22,030 --> 00:44:24,370 This is about speaking the truth! 856 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,250 We're, we're good people, and we just want the chance... 857 00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:28,790 Clive, we've talked about this. 858 00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:30,710 There's no way in hell you're gonna testify. 859 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,420 We already have an opinion on... 860 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,170 All right. Stop. Stop! Stop! 861 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,300 You wanna testify? 862 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,060 You should know what it's gonna be like. 863 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,310 Mr. Fagan, you were a follower of David Koresh, correct? 864 00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:50,310 - Yes. - Did you believe him 865 00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:52,480 when he said the end times were coming? 866 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,980 Yes. 867 00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:56,060 Is that why you were preparing for battle? 868 00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:59,690 A spiritual battle. 869 00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:03,070 And were people gonna die in this spiritual battle? 870 00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:05,200 Yes. 871 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,450 Mr. Fagan, have you ever shot anyone? 872 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:13,040 Mr. Fagan, you swore on a Bible to tell the truth. 873 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,500 Now, I'll ask you again. Have you ever shot anyone? 874 00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:17,510 - Dan... - No, no, no. They wanna do this. 875 00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:21,090 Mr. Fatta, in 1988, you were in a gun battle? 876 00:45:22,590 --> 00:45:24,470 Yes. 877 00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,180 A battle led by David Koresh, 878 00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:28,560 for which you were both arrested. 879 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,720 What crime were you charged with? 880 00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:34,900 - Attempted murder. - Attempted murder! 881 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,530 You were prepared to kill for Mr. Koresh, weren't you? 882 00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:39,530 Because you would do anything Mr. Koresh said. 883 00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:40,740 It wasn't like that. 884 00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:42,660 We made our own choices. 885 00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:45,330 So you had free will? 886 00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:48,160 - Yes. - And what about you, Mr. Doyle, 887 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,000 - were you brainwashed? - No. 888 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,640 So you made your own choices as well? 889 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:53,250 - Yes. - So you chose to let 890 00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:56,580 your 12-year-old daughter marry a 30-year-old man? 891 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,380 You don't understand... 892 00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:03,896 - And what about you? - What we... 893 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,936 You knew what was going on. 894 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,220 Did you say anything? 895 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,180 You have to know the Bible. 896 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:10,640 What about you? Did you say anything? 897 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,230 Did you? Or maybe you didn't care 898 00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:16,150 because you had a son instead of a daughter. 899 00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,260 That's not fair! 900 00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:18,900 You are all complicit. 901 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,360 You all saw, you knew, and you didn't say anything. 902 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,800 Do you know what the legal term 903 00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:24,360 for these marriages of David's is? 904 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,700 It's rape. 905 00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:27,780 It wasn't rape! 906 00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:28,980 It wasn't even sexual! 907 00:46:29,110 --> 00:46:30,120 David married them 908 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,620 in order to have children! 909 00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:34,370 Is that why he married a ten-year-old girl, 910 00:46:34,570 --> 00:46:36,540 because she was so fertile? 911 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,630 You are not guilty of the crime you've been accused of. 912 00:46:44,830 --> 00:46:47,220 And what the government did at Mount Carmel 913 00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:49,220 is an abomination. 914 00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:52,930 But you're not innocent either. 915 00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:55,270 And if you get up there to testify, 916 00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:57,890 that's all anybody will be left with. 917 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:17,580 dramatic music plays 918 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,430 Everybody wants to go to heaven 919 00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:35,930 Everybody wants to go to heaven 66784

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