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Where is everybody going?
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To the refreshment center!
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It's everybody's favorite
spot for delicious, tasty food.
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From a snack to a full meal,
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plus all the extras including
gum, ice cream, candy.
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Make your evening at this
drive-in even more enjoyable.
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The refreshment stand
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has everything to make your
visit here a pleasant one.
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Why not get something now?
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This contains 70,000 feet of film,
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reduced to the most terrifying
90 minutes every made.
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We were giving the audience
what they wanted to see.
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The most grotesque creations
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we ever dared to show
on your screen!
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We did not have stars so we had
to exploit the subject matter.
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A tremendous social
revolution is taking place.
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Here, for the first time,
is the story of that change.
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And I full accept the statement
we were making exploitation films.
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Exploitation really is
about ballyhoo.
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It's about marketing.
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I have here the up-chuck cup,
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a little item passed out by the
management to remind you
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that if you can't take the current
double bill of horror films
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called Frenzy of Blood,
that you better not come.
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So in exploitation films,
if you're selling sex it's,
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"The girls with the biggest breasts,
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and the most beautiful teeth,
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and the most luscious thighs,
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and you can have them
if you come to this theater!"
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You know, I mean,
that's what they're saying.
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It's sort of like,
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"Never before have you seen
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material so ripe for masturbation!"
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A titillating motion picture
of a young girl
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looking for fun and kicks!
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The truth is exploitation implies
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lower budget and second-run.
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One of the things
about low budget is
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you go where it's cheapest
to make movies,
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and that is really where
the Philippines come in.
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You've got jungles,
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you've got girls
who you can exploit.
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You've got everything
and you get it cheap.
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So many of the
exploitation films made there
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were made for the United States,
Australia and Europe.
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These were western-style
Roger Corman tits-and-ass movies.
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And Marcos said,
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"Come on down.
I'll give you the army."
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American movies that were
shot in the Philippines
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in the 60s and 70s
and through to the 80s
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were basically low budget
drive-in movies.
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American companies would
come to the Philippines
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and use it as a backdrop.
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They weren't sold as Filipino movies.
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They were sold as
jungle action movies,
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and the fact that they were shot
in the Philippines was kind of secondary.
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And you'd think,
are they Mexican?
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What are they?
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Because they weren't Chinese,
they weren't Japanese.
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The Philippines appealed
in several ways.
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First, it was inexpensive.
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The cost of labor was so affordable.
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We could hire Filipinos
for about five bucks a day.
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They have an amazing
movie industry.
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They had studios,
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they had all of the camera
equipment that we needed.
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We shot with a Mitchell
that was so old
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that the serial number on it
was, like, 006.
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They had stunt people,
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they had special effects,
demolition people.
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They used to say,
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"When you're hiring
a pyrotechnics crew,
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just check their fingers.
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Just make sure they've
got all their fingers.
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It's probably a good sign.
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Anti-Americanism was rampant
all over the world,
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and we had liberated
the Philippines
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from Japanese occupation
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so the Philippines was a place
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that still really appreciated
American culture.
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That was very significant, I think.
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The Philippines was the Wild East
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as opposed to the Wild West.
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There was kind of a lawlessness
about the whole thing.
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You were aware that this
was a gun-happy,
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very dangerous society.
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The make-up man had a.45.
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The airline policy was that,
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you know, you won't have
your guns on your person
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while we were in the air.
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So they were collecting the
passengers' handguns.
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And you're thinking to yourself,
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I mean, is something
going to break out?
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Why is everyone armed?
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Somebody had a gunfight
in the lobby
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while some of my
people were there,
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but that apparently...
those things were kind of common.
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Human life was cheap,
film was cheap.
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It was a great place
to make a picture.
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The period of the B-movies
in the 70's, 80's,
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maybe starting even
from the late 60's, you know,
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is one of the sadly obscure
periods in Philippine cinema.
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Eddie Romero is definitely
the guy that created
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this kind of Filipino
exploitation movie genre.
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I'm not exactly a pioneer
in that area,
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although probably the first Filipino
who entered that field.
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He began writing at a
very, very early age
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and he came to the attention
of Gerry de Leon.
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Gerry was considered one of
the best directors we had
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in the Philippines.
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Gerry de Leon was the master,
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Eddie Romero was the faithful
and very gifted apprentice,
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and from there,
I am quite sure, you know,
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the collaboration
started to happen.
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It started with an American G.I.
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Who had been stationed
in the Philippines
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and he stayed on.
Here loved living there.
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His name was Kane Lynn.
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We got to talking
and he wanted to know
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if we could get together
on production in the Philippines.
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It was just the perfect set of
conditions to start something like this
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and to his credit
Eddie Romero seized it
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Kane Lynn, Eddie Romero
and Irwin Peizer's company,
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Hemisphere Pictures,
was the first company
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to make real American
co-productions in the Philippines.
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They were making war films
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like Raiders of Leyte Gulf,
The Walls of Hell.
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Will the American agent
reveal the plans
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for General MacArthur's return
to the Philippines?
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The was films
were not popular here
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and they could barely sell them
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I said, "Look, I think you ought
to get involved with horror films.
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Forget about these war films."
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Well, Kane said,
"I have an old horror picture."
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I saw it and I was knocked out.
It was a great movie.
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Terror Is A Man was a spin on
The Island Of Doctor Moreau.
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He knew that the forbidden
secrets he uncovered
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were against the laws of nature!
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It's a not very subtle one but
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what de Leon brings it it is
sort of visceral feeling of the pain
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that this creature that's being
created out of animals feels.
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The shots were always striking.
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They way they were lit,
the way they were framed
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and they way they were composed.
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Although it's just
an exploitation movie,
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exploitation subject,
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you really do feel something
for this poor creature
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that's midway between man
and monster.
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Hemisphere put a gimmick in
where this bell goes off...
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A special warning bell
has been installed
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to protect the faint-hearted.
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When the bell rings,
we suggest they close their eyes
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and not open them
until it rings again.
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...and God knows where
they picked up that footage.
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It does look like someone
cutting into meat.
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I said to Eddie,
"It looked very realistic."
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He said, "Oh, we shaved the pig
and they cut into him."
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Kane Lynn changed the title
to Blood Creature
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and it went through the roof,
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and they realized
horror pictures were the answer.
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We learned especially in the
small towns of the United States,
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horror films were
practically a staple.
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Visit one of the most
mysterious corners of the world,
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where unbelievably cruel,
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barbaric customs are still practiced!
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The Blood Island series
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were really just American
drive-in movies
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with a bit of action,
the suggestion of a bit of sex,
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some horror happening somewhere,
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the weird rubber-faced
monster coming at you.
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What sold the Blood Island movies
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to American audiences was
the blood, breasts and beasts.
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The three Bs.
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The kind of elements people
wanted that went to the drive-ins.
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They went in the car with
a girlfriend to make out,
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and every now and then
they'd hear a scream,
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and they'd look up,
see some-thing lurid happening
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and then they'd go back
to their snogging.
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And I think that's how
these movies are structured.
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If you went to see a film called
Brides of Blood and you came out
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complaining about, you know, the
fact that it was a cheesy movie
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with some naked Filipino girls
being eaten by a monster,
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I mean, who would have
listened to you, you know?
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What would you expect?
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It seems that some living
organisms on this island
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are undergoing drastic mutations.
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They were kind of two-dimensional
stories to begin with.
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Gerry and I tried to
flesh them out a little more,
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but that was very limited
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on account of the nature
of the market.
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Serve us as simple
characterizations as we can,
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lets create a situation
that was very tense,
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and make sure that people don't
have too much dialogue to say
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because these probably
weren't great actors
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and they might get it wrong.
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Better go away now.
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You are making me
uncomfortable again.
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John Ashley was kind of
a teen heartthrob
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throughout the mid to late 50s.
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A romantic idol among people
who didn't know any better.
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Married to Deborah Walley,
they divorced.
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His way of getting over
the divorce in the late 60s
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was to take a job
in the Philippines
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doing Brides of Blood.
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It was exotic for him.
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He loved the people,
he loved the excitement.
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Well you've got to admit
he's got style.
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John was a lover, you know?
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He had quite a few
escapades here.
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I had a shirt made for him
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and all his girlfriends were
embroidered on the shirt.
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A lot of embroidery.
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Ashley ended up becoming
a producer on his own there
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with Eddie Romero.
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He was a charming person.
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He was very easy
to get along with.
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He had great sensitivity for the
personalities of other people.
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He was a good friend.
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Kane came to me because I was doing
their advertising and marketing,
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and he said, "Brides of Blood!
We want to have marketing.
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We've got wedding
and engagement rings."
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Female patrons who
showed up to see the movie
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got cheap plastic wedding rings
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because apparently they were
marrying a monster in the film.
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"Genuine synthetic wedding
and engagement set free."
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And I had the catch line:
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"Here comes the bride with a
non-human creature by her side."
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And then Mad Doctor of Blood Island
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had green blood that was
handed out to everyone.
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I invented this idea of
the Oath of Green Blood.
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You had to take it before
you could see the movie.
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I join the Order of Green Blood
with an open mind,
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and through this liquid's powers
am now prepared to safely view
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the unnatural green-blooded ones
without fear of contamination.
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The green blood potion has been
known to passionately affect
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some people after drinking it.
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I said, "Well, look,
before we give these out
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I should test it."
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Well, I took it, I had a
stomach-ache the whole night.
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The Mad Doctor of Blood Island
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with his supernatural beings
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caught up in the rampage
of gory brutality!
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I thought
Mad Doctor of Blood Island
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was the best of the three
Blood Island pictures.
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There's at least one scene
where someone's intestines
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are ripped out in glorious detail.
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The monster in that film
is particularly awful.
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It looks like papier mache.
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There's a tendency to overuse
zooming the zoom lens,
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and I haven't found anybody
that likes it except myself.
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There were really no rules as to
what kind of films they were making
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and what they could get away with
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so I think they were
testing the boundaries.
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I don't think we came close
to pushing the envelope.
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A lot of what they did became
the standard for low-low budget
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horror films.
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The MPAA, the ratings board,
didn't see these films.
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They could care less.
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So little kids were going to see
monsters raping women
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staked to poles.
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Beast of Blood was the third film
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and it was the least horrific
of the three.
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From the world of the
gruesome and grotesque,
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comes your most
horrifying meeting
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with nerve-chilling fear!
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It had a lot of nudity that
Celeste Yarnall didn't want seen.
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That was supposed to
never be seen by anyone
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other than the Japanese market
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which for me at the time
seemed so far away.
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Of course now, with DVDs,
it's all over the world,
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and I'm, "Did I do that?"
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I guess I did.
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You'll see an orgy
of bloody terror,
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as a mad fiend
transplants human heads!
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Good morning, Ramon.
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I hope you slept well?
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The head can talk
to Doctor Lorka.
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The day may come soon, Lorka.
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Hence the famous line,
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"Lorka,"
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because that head
is going to get Lorka
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if it's the last thing he does.
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The conditions were incredibly
primitive on that picture.
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They went back and
back into the jungle.
285
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I had just found out
that I was pregnant,
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and I tried to confide in them
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that some of these things were
going to be a little bit rough on me.
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I'm supposed to drop down
and be enveloped by quicksand.
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Well, the head stuntman
had a rifle over his shoulder
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and when he leaned over
to pull me out,
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the rifle swung over his
shoulder and split open my face.
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That picture made a fortune.
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They found this formula
and they stepped it up.
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They brought it up to
a new level of extremity
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and it worked in their favor.
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It did well.
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But I got a little tired
of them after a while.
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I think everyone's affection
for those movies is based in
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tolerance.
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Sam Sherman, the guy who
urged Hemisphere
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to get into making horror films,
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00:14:41,949 --> 00:14:44,975
ultimately lost patience
with them because
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they did make horror Films,
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they just kept making
the same one over and over again.
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00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:52,150
Eddie Romero was
planning a picture called.
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The Beast of the Yellow Night
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as a follow up to Beast of Blood,
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and it was a very complex
Faustian story.
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He suffers the cruelest curse
ever placed upon mortal man
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by the Host of Darkness!
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Condemned to stalk the night
with an insatiable lust
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for living flesh!
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It was wild,
but I felt it was too far out
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for this kind of a market.
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Why do you think I keep
bringing you back, Langdon?
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To awaken the latent evil in the
people that I come in contact with.
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I felt that for that type of film,
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the characters were
more fully developed,
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more believable.
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Whatever else you might be,
you are still a man.
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It didn't do as well.
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When the film was
released in the UK
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the reels were put
the wrong way round,
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and when I told Eddie this,
you know, he just laughed.
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He said, "Did anyone notice?"
326
00:15:37,271 --> 00:15:39,271
And I said, "No,
it probably made the film better."
327
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It ended up going
to Roger Corman,
328
00:15:41,642 --> 00:15:43,701
and Roger Corman was
kind of stuck with it.
329
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He didn't really like it.
330
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It was such a twist of fate, really,
331
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that Roger Corman
came to the scene.
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John Ashley recommended coming
to the Philippines and said,
333
00:16:02,195 --> 00:16:04,720
"You have Carte blanche there.
You can do whatever you want."
334
00:16:04,765 --> 00:16:08,201
Roger Corman wasn't like
Kane Lynn or John Ashley.
335
00:16:08,235 --> 00:16:10,032
He had no love
of the Philippines.
336
00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:12,834
This was just a money-making
opportunity for him.
337
00:16:12,873 --> 00:16:16,070
I first visited the Philippines
in 1970,
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which was the year
I started New World Pictures.
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00:16:18,712 --> 00:16:20,179
New World and Roger Corman
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00:16:20,213 --> 00:16:22,807
were really the experts
at genre films.
341
00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:26,684
Well, in any film that
I've ever worked on with Roger
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00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,211
there are three main elements
that he's looking for.
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00:16:29,256 --> 00:16:30,917
One is humor,
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which he considers
tremendously important.
345
00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:37,195
Grand Theft Auto is a love story...
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with cars.
347
00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:40,290
Another is action,
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00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:45,303
which he considers
very important.
349
00:16:45,339 --> 00:16:47,466
And another is sex,
which he considers important
350
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but not quite as important as the
other two elements, I don't think.
351
00:16:50,711 --> 00:16:54,511
This clinic deals specifically
in sexual problems.
352
00:16:54,548 --> 00:16:56,607
What's the matter?
Having trouble?
353
00:16:56,650 --> 00:16:58,618
Cinema was really changing,
354
00:16:58,652 --> 00:17:00,552
and it was becoming R-rated,
355
00:17:00,587 --> 00:17:02,179
and these are low budget movies
356
00:17:02,222 --> 00:17:04,782
moving away from the studio films.
357
00:17:04,825 --> 00:17:06,850
In fact, if you look from
today's perspective,
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at 1970s exploitation pictures,
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00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:11,174
they look like they were
made on another planet.
360
00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:12,688
The basic elements of them
361
00:17:12,733 --> 00:17:15,566
are things that you couldn't put
in movies today and get away with.
362
00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:17,593
And these pictures
always played at drive-ins
363
00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:20,470
where huge screens
can be seen for miles around
364
00:17:20,507 --> 00:17:21,997
by cars driving back and forth,
365
00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:25,136
and the images in these
pictures are astonishing.
366
00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:26,304
The New World Company
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00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:30,043
built their success on
women's exploitation.
368
00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:31,607
It's the candy striper's job
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00:17:31,651 --> 00:17:35,644
to make the patient's stay
in the hospital more pleasant.
370
00:17:35,689 --> 00:17:38,920
This is not what
we mean by pleasant.
371
00:17:38,959 --> 00:17:40,859
It was pleasant, wasn't it?
372
00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:43,954
Our first film was a picture
we made in the United States
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called The Student Nurses,
374
00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:47,897
which turned out
to be a major success.
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00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,162
The Student Nurses...
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00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:51,602
Once you've met them
you'll never forget them.
377
00:17:51,638 --> 00:17:53,970
New World did a lot
of nurse pictures.
378
00:17:54,007 --> 00:17:56,475
Roger was just turning them
out as fast as he could,
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00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,569
making five, six pictures a year.
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00:17:58,612 --> 00:18:00,273
Student nurses, student teachers
381
00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:01,940
and then what else
could we have?
382
00:18:01,982 --> 00:18:04,177
How about young
female prisoners?
383
00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:06,947
There have always been
women-in-prison films.
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00:18:06,987 --> 00:18:09,512
There's always been
bad-girls-in-juvie-hall
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or the dormitory films.
386
00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,557
The difference between the films
387
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:15,857
is really only how tawdry
are we going to get?
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00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:16,954
By the time we started,
389
00:18:16,997 --> 00:18:19,557
you could do a lot that was
just absolutely unheard of,
390
00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,760
so that really made
the difference, I think.
391
00:18:21,802 --> 00:18:23,997
So what have you got
in the Philippines?
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Jungle.
393
00:18:24,738 --> 00:18:27,901
The Big Doll House was originally
written for the United States,
394
00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,671
but after I saw
the Philippines I thought
395
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:34,612
we could easily switch this
to a tropical prison
396
00:18:34,648 --> 00:18:37,617
and I could make a
bigger picture for less money.
397
00:18:37,651 --> 00:18:41,087
The prison films focused
always on beautiful women
398
00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:43,988
who were imprisoned
rightly or wrongly
399
00:18:44,024 --> 00:18:45,753
and fought their way out.
400
00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:47,623
This way you'll only get killed.
401
00:18:47,661 --> 00:18:49,526
Not if we get out of here fast.
402
00:18:52,165 --> 00:18:55,726
Women in cages
and in boxes and confined.
403
00:18:55,769 --> 00:18:57,737
We hear in one of the movies that
404
00:18:57,771 --> 00:19:00,968
the women are only allowed
two showers a week,
405
00:19:01,007 --> 00:19:04,704
but we as the lucky viewers
get to see both showers.
406
00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:09,412
You've got to have T&A
and then a little torture.
407
00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:11,349
The person being tortured
on the wheel
408
00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:14,285
or having fire beneath them
and they're all screaming
409
00:19:14,321 --> 00:19:16,118
and then in the next scene
they're fine.
410
00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:18,351
As far as incorporating
all those elements,
411
00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:20,154
you had to have
at least one per reel.
412
00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:23,526
I just imagine the
screenwriters just saying,
413
00:19:23,563 --> 00:19:26,532
"Okay, I've done three pages,
nobody's been tortured."
414
00:19:28,301 --> 00:19:29,928
And they just write that in.
415
00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:31,733
"Strip. Torture."
416
00:19:31,872 --> 00:19:35,638
Women guarded by barbed wire
and guns in a tropical hell!
417
00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:37,802
They call it The Big Doll House!
418
00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:39,971
The Big Doll House
set the tempo
419
00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:44,677
for almost every women-in-prison,
women-in-jeopardy situation
420
00:19:44,718 --> 00:19:45,742
that came after it.
421
00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:48,948
Prerequisite girl-fights
and dunking heads in toilets.
422
00:19:48,989 --> 00:19:50,513
That was pretty humiliating.
423
00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:51,990
I mean, they did it.
424
00:19:54,227 --> 00:19:57,321
They took my head
and put it in the toilet.
425
00:19:57,364 --> 00:20:00,265
I read the script and I thought
it was just, just awful.
426
00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,598
I said, "Oh my God, what am I
going to do with this?"
427
00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:03,933
Jack was aware
428
00:20:03,970 --> 00:20:06,734
that people were willing
to see women in these
429
00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:09,640
incredibly tense conditions,
all being thrown together.
430
00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:10,643
What were the pressures
431
00:20:10,677 --> 00:20:12,838
that were going to build
among these women?
432
00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:16,315
Green, scared and pretty.
433
00:20:16,349 --> 00:20:18,874
And they're not
wearing very much
434
00:20:18,919 --> 00:20:20,819
and there's going to be
lesbianism.
435
00:20:20,854 --> 00:20:23,516
You can bed down over here
where I can take care of you.
436
00:20:23,557 --> 00:20:25,548
And there's going to be
cockroach races.
437
00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:26,923
That's it, go boys!
438
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,793
The Filipinos got these
huge cockroaches
439
00:20:29,829 --> 00:20:31,956
that they were able
to catch very easily.
440
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:33,397
There were plenty
of them around.
441
00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:34,957
Come on, baby! That's...
442
00:20:35,001 --> 00:20:37,731
All of these elements
that ended up making for
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00:20:37,771 --> 00:20:40,968
what he knew was going to be
a sensationally entertaining film.
444
00:20:41,007 --> 00:20:43,237
Judy Brown strapped
to a table naked
445
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,267
and then being menaced
by a live cobra
446
00:20:45,312 --> 00:20:48,076
on some kind of contraption
like The Pit and the Pendulum.
447
00:20:48,114 --> 00:20:49,672
Silly, huh? Ridiculous.
448
00:20:49,716 --> 00:20:51,115
Totally ridiculous.
449
00:20:52,152 --> 00:20:54,484
There was a sheet of glass
involved there.
450
00:20:54,521 --> 00:20:56,250
I'm a bit claustrophobic.
451
00:20:56,289 --> 00:20:59,952
Being enclosed in,
that was what scared me more.
452
00:20:59,993 --> 00:21:01,722
And I was topless.
453
00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:02,386
Yeah.
454
00:21:02,429 --> 00:21:05,660
All these girls were ready
to take on new experiences.
455
00:21:05,699 --> 00:21:07,109
They wanted to get
their careers going
456
00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:08,644
and they wanted to be
up on the screens
457
00:21:08,668 --> 00:21:11,569
and if it involved cobras, okay!
458
00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:13,937
Meet the girls of
The Big Doll House!
459
00:21:13,974 --> 00:21:16,807
Well, you don't look like
a hardened criminal to me.
460
00:21:16,843 --> 00:21:18,674
They're young,
they're beautiful
461
00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,043
and they're killers!
462
00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:23,777
There were no big stars
463
00:21:23,817 --> 00:21:26,581
who came out of those pictures
and went on to huge movies.
464
00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:27,882
That wasn't the case.
465
00:21:27,921 --> 00:21:28,717
No shit!
466
00:21:28,755 --> 00:21:30,382
Pam is the exception because
467
00:21:30,423 --> 00:21:33,620
Pam is basically
Jack Hill's discovery.
468
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,753
Even though she had
virtually no experience
469
00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:38,593
and no training that
I was aware of,
470
00:21:38,632 --> 00:21:40,190
I just felt she was a natural.
471
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:42,565
And she went over there
and she learned to act.
472
00:21:42,602 --> 00:21:45,264
They gave me The Actor's Studio,
473
00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:47,296
The Actor's Workshop,
The Method.
474
00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:49,418
They gave me all these great
books on Stanislavsky, right?
475
00:21:49,442 --> 00:21:52,502
So I'm learning this
profound work,
476
00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:56,174
and I'm going to do
a Roger Corman
477
00:21:56,216 --> 00:21:57,774
booties in the jungle movie.
478
00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:00,129
So I said, "I'm gonna do it.
I don't care if it's a B-movie.
479
00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:03,088
I'm goin' in there
and I'm gonna kill ya!"
480
00:22:03,123 --> 00:22:04,613
She had an intensity,
481
00:22:04,658 --> 00:22:06,285
obvious good looks,
482
00:22:06,326 --> 00:22:09,557
extremely large breasts
and she was smart.
483
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:11,894
She probably still is smart.
You don't get dumb.
484
00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:14,365
And I think all of that
shone through.
485
00:22:14,401 --> 00:22:16,995
Who you can talk into to
going to the Philippines.
486
00:22:17,037 --> 00:22:17,731
That was the trick.
487
00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:20,001
My agent said,
"Don't you do this movie!"
488
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,804
I don't think a Hollywood starlet
would be very happy there.
489
00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:25,333
It's so humid and so hot.
490
00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:27,243
I remember I got heatstroke.
491
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,443
I don't remember ever having
dressing rooms or honey wagons.
492
00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:32,610
My dressing room was a cave,
493
00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:36,588
and guess what else
that cave was used for?
494
00:22:36,623 --> 00:22:37,623
The men's latrine.
495
00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:41,025
It was just horrible.
496
00:22:41,061 --> 00:22:43,359
You would immediately
get a call from the agent
497
00:22:43,396 --> 00:22:48,163
saying that they were living in
some rat-infested jungle hut.
498
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:54,140
I saw a rat carrying a kitten
through the window.
499
00:22:54,174 --> 00:22:56,642
I wonder if everybody
in this place lives like this.
500
00:22:56,676 --> 00:22:58,507
And you would have to
say to the agent,
501
00:22:58,545 --> 00:23:00,979
"Well, you know,
it really is the best
502
00:23:01,014 --> 00:23:02,948
of those jungle huts
down there, you know?
503
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:05,075
They're really out there
in the middle of nowhere."
504
00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:06,608
The bugs were enormous.
505
00:23:06,653 --> 00:23:09,554
Bugs the size of birds
that were flying around.
506
00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:11,147
I can remember eating a salad
507
00:23:11,191 --> 00:23:13,523
and roaches were
climbing out of my salad.
508
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,998
I don't recall that there was
any health or safety on set,
509
00:23:19,032 --> 00:23:20,932
off set, whatsoever.
510
00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:25,131
We were using military-trained
attack dogs.
511
00:23:25,171 --> 00:23:27,071
The director of photography
512
00:23:27,107 --> 00:23:30,076
went in with his light meter
to get a reading on the dog
513
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:31,600
and the dog ate it.
514
00:23:33,113 --> 00:23:34,910
You just want to do the scene
515
00:23:34,948 --> 00:23:36,415
and you want to do it properly
516
00:23:36,449 --> 00:23:37,711
and get out.
517
00:23:37,751 --> 00:23:39,082
There was always a rumor
518
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,112
that there was one girl
who didn't come back
519
00:23:43,156 --> 00:23:45,420
and it was circulated
around the actresses
520
00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:46,869
and they were all afraid
to go because
521
00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,862
of this supposed girl who had
vanished in the Philippines
522
00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:51,056
and never came back.
523
00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:52,257
Roberta Collins.
524
00:23:52,298 --> 00:23:53,697
She was in the first couple.
525
00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:55,166
Action, big mouth.
526
00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:57,965
She was like a favorite for
directors of this kind of film.
527
00:23:58,004 --> 00:24:00,268
She had just a
remarkable personality.
528
00:24:01,474 --> 00:24:03,567
Get it up
or I'll cut it off.
529
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:06,704
The audience just exploded
with that line,
530
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:10,807
and that was one
that I wrote myself, actually.
531
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:13,284
I don't know if I should be
proud or ashamed of that.
532
00:24:15,155 --> 00:24:15,917
In my family,
533
00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:18,446
there was a lot of outrage about
The Big Doll House.
534
00:24:18,491 --> 00:24:20,152
"What have you been doing, Jane?
535
00:24:20,193 --> 00:24:21,592
What kind of movies are these?"
536
00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:23,493
I didn't like the film.
537
00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:28,263
I thought it had gone
a little bit too far with the sex
538
00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,292
and the violence.
539
00:24:30,336 --> 00:24:33,100
It was the most profitable
independent picture ever made
540
00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:34,003
up to that time.
541
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,507
It was just a huge, huge hit.
542
00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:38,136
The film cost about $100,000
543
00:24:38,178 --> 00:24:41,545
and grossed something
like four million.
544
00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:45,608
When I saw the grosses,
I have to admit
545
00:24:45,652 --> 00:24:47,779
my scruples faded away,
and I said,
546
00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:49,311
"Let's make another one."
547
00:24:49,689 --> 00:24:50,815
Women in Cages!
548
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:54,293
The sensational new motion
picture that rips the veil off
549
00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:58,229
the dirtiest racket ever conceived
by the minds of vicious men!
550
00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:00,164
The market was
flooded immediately,
551
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,498
essentially flooded by us.
552
00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:05,197
Women in Cages was
Gerry de Leon's
553
00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:07,433
last American-funded film.
554
00:25:07,474 --> 00:25:09,169
It's a beautifully shot film,
555
00:25:09,209 --> 00:25:12,406
but very lackluster in the
performances and the plotting.
556
00:25:13,613 --> 00:25:15,547
If you like the title
Women in Cages,
557
00:25:15,582 --> 00:25:16,826
you're going to like this movie,
558
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:17,782
because you know what it's got?
559
00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,341
Women in cages.
560
00:25:19,385 --> 00:25:21,353
So, you know,
it's truth in advertising.
561
00:25:21,387 --> 00:25:24,982
The next film that I did in the
Philippines was The Big Bird Cage,
562
00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:29,120
which I did almost as a spoof
on women-in-prison pictures.
563
00:25:29,162 --> 00:25:31,062
I felt to just do another one
wouldn't work
564
00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:33,531
so I kind of made fun
of the whole genre.
565
00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:35,363
Darn!
566
00:25:35,401 --> 00:25:38,097
Nothing like that
ever happens to me.
567
00:25:38,137 --> 00:25:42,369
Jack was trying to appeal to
what the audience responded to
568
00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:45,605
and we were surprised at how much
the audience liked the humor.
569
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:47,272
The Big Bird Cage!
570
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:51,477
A strange and brutal world
of men who are only half-men!
571
00:25:51,518 --> 00:25:54,009
Don't play coy with me, tootsie.
572
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:57,580
You don't have anything
I'd be interested in anyway.
573
00:25:57,624 --> 00:26:00,616
And women who were
more than all woman!
574
00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:02,787
I told you I was gonna cut it off
575
00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:04,626
if you tried to pull
that shit on me!
576
00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:09,397
But still including the kind
of ingredients that you need.
577
00:26:09,435 --> 00:26:11,869
Being hung up by
your hair in the sun?
578
00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:13,873
That always seemed
to me a bit extreme.
579
00:26:13,907 --> 00:26:16,000
The fact is,
if you really have a lot of hair,
580
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:17,407
it's not that big a deal,
581
00:26:17,443 --> 00:26:19,911
that that can
support your weight.
582
00:26:19,946 --> 00:26:24,610
I just liked the combination of
Sid and Pam Grier working together
583
00:26:24,651 --> 00:26:28,382
so I starred them as a team
in The Big Bird Cage.
584
00:26:28,421 --> 00:26:31,515
Say, when are we gonna
have that revolution anyway?
585
00:26:31,558 --> 00:26:33,958
Pretty soon, pretty soon.
586
00:26:33,993 --> 00:26:35,790
Sid Haig is a lazy revolutionary
587
00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:38,023
who gets this wonderful idea of
588
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:40,123
breaking the women out
of this women's prison
589
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,396
in order to help get
the revolution started.
590
00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,131
Worst plan in
the history of movies.
591
00:26:46,506 --> 00:26:47,939
Everybody gets killed,
592
00:26:51,177 --> 00:26:53,304
and it's supposed to be
a happy ending.
593
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:57,112
The Big Bird Cage did not do
as well as The Big Doll House
594
00:26:57,150 --> 00:27:00,483
and maybe the fact that we
played it a little bit too much
595
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,885
for the humor hurt it.
596
00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:05,084
A lot of the pictures had no
really redeeming factors
597
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:06,955
as far as the stories
were concerned.
598
00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:09,621
They were very bizarre,
to say the least.
599
00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:12,529
I remember one film we made
called Night of the Cobra Woman.
600
00:27:12,565 --> 00:27:15,625
I was getting tired of the
women-in-prison concept,
601
00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:18,102
so we started to move
into science fiction.
602
00:27:18,137 --> 00:27:22,699
How much longer must I remain
in this ridiculous human form?
603
00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:26,508
It featured a woman
who was part-cobra.
604
00:27:26,546 --> 00:27:29,140
Plunging her fangs
into warm flesh,
605
00:27:29,182 --> 00:27:31,946
she sucks the life
from the bodies of men!
606
00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:34,613
She's a woman who
has sex with men
607
00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:37,054
and it extends her life
608
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:41,857
but when they wake up they're like
90 years old and then they die.
609
00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:44,829
Marlene Clark had
some sort of snake skin,
610
00:27:44,864 --> 00:27:48,300
and I remember a scene where
she just peeled it off her body.
611
00:27:48,334 --> 00:27:50,825
It was a very strange movie.
612
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:54,863
Only the cobra could satisfy
her unearthly desires!
613
00:27:54,907 --> 00:27:57,341
If there's an underlying theme
614
00:27:57,377 --> 00:27:59,675
then it would be:
Be careful of women.
615
00:27:59,712 --> 00:28:02,442
They're snakes,
they'll suck the life out of you.
616
00:28:02,482 --> 00:28:04,507
I've sucked the years
out of your body.
617
00:28:04,550 --> 00:28:08,611
It was only way I could be
a human and a woman again.
618
00:28:08,655 --> 00:28:12,182
It was filmed in Slitherama,
with a hiss.
619
00:28:12,225 --> 00:28:14,284
I came up with that,
Slitherama.
620
00:28:14,894 --> 00:28:16,705
One of the things that made
these films note-worthy
621
00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:18,697
was the fact that
very few people
622
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,995
were making films
with women leads.
623
00:28:21,034 --> 00:28:24,094
Roger treated women
in film really as heroes.
624
00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:27,663
And that was a departure.
625
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:31,643
Moviegoers were not used to
seeing women doing action at all.
626
00:28:33,446 --> 00:28:35,391
And even if they were little
mousy girls at the beginning,
627
00:28:35,415 --> 00:28:36,859
by the end they're toting
two machine guns
628
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,646
and shooting down
scads of guys.
629
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,718
Female guerrillas...
630
00:28:43,756 --> 00:28:45,781
Machete maiden action...
631
00:28:47,527 --> 00:28:49,188
You not only had
a female heroine
632
00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,890
but you also had
a female being abused.
633
00:28:51,931 --> 00:28:54,024
So you got both sides
of the coin
634
00:28:54,067 --> 00:28:56,035
and you appealed to
the male audience
635
00:28:56,069 --> 00:28:59,129
and you appealed to any
dates they may have had to bring,
636
00:28:59,172 --> 00:29:00,696
which I suspect were not many.
637
00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,503
Is this how you get your kicks?
638
00:29:04,644 --> 00:29:08,740
There are a lot of filmmakers
who are responsible filmmakers,
639
00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:12,478
but sometimes what's fun are
the irresponsible filmmakers
640
00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:15,783
who later say,
"Well, of course, I was doing this."
641
00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:19,189
They were about women being
abused at the beginning,
642
00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:22,820
but then taking over
and having revenge.
643
00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:25,228
I think that was very
helpful overall
644
00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:27,528
in terms of women
establishing themselves
645
00:29:27,567 --> 00:29:29,967
on the screen
as powerful figures
646
00:29:30,002 --> 00:29:32,095
and being empowered
as women.
647
00:29:34,173 --> 00:29:37,472
Women really related to that,
and began to love us as heroes.
648
00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:44,314
You hear people talking about
649
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:46,944
the crassest,
most exploitative,
650
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:51,480
sexist, racist films as
651
00:29:51,524 --> 00:29:54,322
liberating and intelligent
652
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,988
and I'm thinking,
"What are they smoking?"
653
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:58,257
I mean, "What?"
654
00:29:58,297 --> 00:30:00,561
You can't rape me.
655
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,965
I like sex.
656
00:30:02,668 --> 00:30:05,501
Feminism and women
taking their power
657
00:30:05,538 --> 00:30:07,028
was worldwide at that time,
658
00:30:07,073 --> 00:30:09,837
so taking off our tops
659
00:30:09,876 --> 00:30:11,741
was kind of a powerful
thing to do.
660
00:30:11,778 --> 00:30:14,645
It was, to a certain extent,
liberating.
661
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,977
Look, I can do this,
662
00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:17,312
I can still be an actress
663
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:19,750
and I can still be respectable.
664
00:30:19,786 --> 00:30:21,845
It's an interesting mixture
of feminism
665
00:30:21,888 --> 00:30:25,324
because there we were
being exploited in a certain way
666
00:30:25,358 --> 00:30:26,256
and at the same time,
667
00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:28,260
we were showing that
we were powerful women.
668
00:30:28,294 --> 00:30:31,559
They took control,
but they'll show you their tits.
669
00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:33,861
All those films
in the Philippines,
670
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,994
ten beautiful women,
naked every single time.
671
00:30:37,036 --> 00:30:39,027
Hundreds, I mean, hundreds
672
00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:42,234
of beautiful little girls
running around bare-assed.
673
00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:43,674
And the only guy is you.
674
00:30:43,709 --> 00:30:44,676
That's right.
675
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:46,541
I don't buy that feminist stuff.
676
00:30:46,579 --> 00:30:47,409
Whatcha talking about?
677
00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:48,845
It's a tit shop,
pure and simple.
678
00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:50,280
Feminism with aggressive women
679
00:30:50,316 --> 00:30:53,012
was not going to be
palatable in the mass market
680
00:30:53,052 --> 00:30:55,418
without tits and ass.
681
00:30:55,454 --> 00:30:57,183
Buonos dรญas, senoritas!
682
00:30:57,223 --> 00:31:00,681
Somehow we had to do that
in order to get to the next step.
683
00:31:00,726 --> 00:31:02,455
I didn't feel badly about it.
684
00:31:02,495 --> 00:31:04,258
I saw it as a path.
685
00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:07,755
Are we not taking this
a little too seriously?
686
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,734
Intellectualizing this?
687
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:12,101
This is not a film
about the human condition.
688
00:31:12,138 --> 00:31:13,901
This is a film about
tits and ass.
689
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,408
A lot of filmmakers deal
with people all the time
690
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:18,842
where someone says,
"In your film,
691
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:22,974
when the, you know,
mutant woman
692
00:31:23,015 --> 00:31:25,745
gave birth to
the mulatto monster
693
00:31:25,785 --> 00:31:29,186
who tore the head off the Nazi,
694
00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:33,215
weren't you talking about
the exploitation
695
00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,284
of colored peoples
around the world
696
00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:38,661
and their ultimate triumph?"
697
00:31:38,698 --> 00:31:41,326
And they'll go,
698
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:43,392
"Yes, I was."
699
00:31:43,436 --> 00:31:44,903
And inside they're thinking,
700
00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:47,497
"What the fuck
are they talking about?"
701
00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:58,448
The revolutionary spirit
of young people in the 60s
702
00:31:58,484 --> 00:32:01,214
continued into the early 70s,
703
00:32:01,254 --> 00:32:02,983
so with a number of these films
704
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:06,788
we had a rebel
revolutionary spirit to them.
705
00:32:06,826 --> 00:32:08,623
The revolution is at hand.
706
00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:09,628
The time has come.
707
00:32:09,662 --> 00:32:10,890
A lot of pictures with rebels,
708
00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:13,694
a lot of pictures with corrupt
regimes being overthrown.
709
00:32:13,733 --> 00:32:17,726
It was very easy for our directors
to get the political content in
710
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:20,762
because I told them
I wanted the political content.
711
00:32:20,806 --> 00:32:24,572
In his mind, it was kind of
a moral balance between
712
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:28,046
the exploitable ingredients
that he needed to sell it,
713
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
and giving him a feeling
there was some importance to it.
714
00:32:30,516 --> 00:32:32,484
And I bought that
completely myself.
715
00:32:32,518 --> 00:32:34,816
If you look at Jonathan Demme's
The Hot Box,
716
00:32:34,854 --> 00:32:36,549
that's overtly political.
717
00:32:36,589 --> 00:32:38,113
The Hot Box!
718
00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:40,421
Four American nurses snatched
719
00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:43,155
from their work
in a foreign hospital!
720
00:32:43,195 --> 00:32:47,222
We abduct nurses to
provide healing and medicine
721
00:32:47,266 --> 00:32:49,325
to our guerrilla army.
722
00:32:49,368 --> 00:32:51,700
We were doing the
whole thing that Roger likes.
723
00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:54,638
You know,
"Oh no, don't take us!"
724
00:32:54,674 --> 00:32:57,802
You will do
what you are told to do!
725
00:32:57,843 --> 00:33:00,277
If not,
you will all be shot.
726
00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:02,304
I played a character
in the film called Bunny
727
00:33:02,348 --> 00:33:04,748
and Bunny was the one
who always got hysterical.
728
00:33:04,784 --> 00:33:06,843
I hope someday
you're on a date
729
00:33:06,886 --> 00:33:08,751
and then some
maniacs come along
730
00:33:08,788 --> 00:33:11,757
and shoot your date
and drag you into the jungle
731
00:33:11,791 --> 00:33:14,624
and then attack you
and then not even tell you why!
732
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:18,187
She wasn't very deep
but she really said it like it was.
733
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:21,859
We escaped, only to
discover that the military
734
00:33:21,901 --> 00:33:24,062
was actually the brutes.
735
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:28,701
Soiled, spoiled and violated,
736
00:33:28,741 --> 00:33:31,175
they wouldn't take it
lying down!
737
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:33,735
It was the girls learning firsthand
738
00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:37,772
what the efforts of the
revolutionaries were about.
739
00:33:37,817 --> 00:33:40,513
Do you get tired of seeing
your sisters assaulted?
740
00:33:40,553 --> 00:33:42,714
Your families abused?
741
00:33:42,755 --> 00:33:45,588
Paying a fine week after week
for trying to sell what you grow?
742
00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:51,654
The original title was called
Rx Prescription Revolution.
743
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:55,064
One day I get a call from
Roger Corman and Roger says,
744
00:33:55,101 --> 00:33:56,398
"Margaret?"
745
00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:58,096
"Hi, Roger."
746
00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,765
"I just want you to know
that the title,
747
00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:05,869
Prescription Revolution
is now The Hot Box."
748
00:34:05,911 --> 00:34:10,280
His sense of it was that we
didn't have that iconic moment.
749
00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:14,082
He said, we're going to
shoot that scene of the hot box.
750
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,489
Plunged into the fiery
depths of the hot box!
751
00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:22,426
They had some guy kind of
spraying us down with hoses.
752
00:34:22,461 --> 00:34:25,726
A tropical torture chamber
where anything can happen!
753
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:29,767
And we were standing in the
corner freaking and screaming,
754
00:34:29,802 --> 00:34:32,032
and now the movie
was The Hot Box.
755
00:34:32,071 --> 00:34:35,336
The girls were treated in a way
that was some-what titillating
756
00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:36,602
for that kind of audience,
757
00:34:36,642 --> 00:34:38,735
and I was really dismayed
that the purity
758
00:34:38,778 --> 00:34:41,144
of what we thought
we were going after
759
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,808
was really kind of undermined.
760
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:46,647
One of the great ironies
for the Filipino pictures is
761
00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:49,449
you have these movies
being made about revolution
762
00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:52,924
against essentially
fascist dictatorships
763
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:55,654
in a fascist dictatorship.
764
00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:57,456
1972, alright?
765
00:34:57,496 --> 00:35:01,023
That's when all
the TV stations just stopped
766
00:35:01,067 --> 00:35:02,967
and then suddenly
there was that face.
767
00:35:03,002 --> 00:35:06,199
I have signed
proclamation number 10/81
768
00:35:06,238 --> 00:35:09,765
placing the entire Philippines
under martial law.
769
00:35:09,809 --> 00:35:13,506
Marcos declared martial law
and he called all the shots.
770
00:35:13,546 --> 00:35:15,605
He was the ultimate leader.
771
00:35:15,648 --> 00:35:17,809
Martial law means
military power,
772
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:19,715
and he,
as Commander in Chief,
773
00:35:19,752 --> 00:35:22,414
was in absolute control
of this country.
774
00:35:22,455 --> 00:35:23,285
There were checkpoints.
775
00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:25,167
You know, militia with the
guns and the whole thing.
776
00:35:25,191 --> 00:35:27,284
And they were on every corner.
777
00:35:27,326 --> 00:35:30,227
You had to be inside at a
certain time in the evening.
778
00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:32,093
And if you were in a club
and it was midnight,
779
00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:35,259
the owner of the club just went over
and put the lock on the door
780
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,065
and you had to stay
and party all night
781
00:35:38,104 --> 00:35:40,004
till six o'clock in the morning.
Okay.
782
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,701
And if you went outside
after curfew,
783
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:44,174
they would put you in jail
784
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:46,007
and you would end up
picking up trash
785
00:35:46,045 --> 00:35:47,672
along the streets the next day.
786
00:35:47,713 --> 00:35:49,544
When they declared martial law
787
00:35:49,582 --> 00:35:51,777
you were supposed to go
to some town square.
788
00:35:51,817 --> 00:35:55,514
All unlicensed firearms
now in your possession
789
00:35:55,554 --> 00:35:59,115
should be turned over to
the Philippine constabulary.
790
00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:01,456
After that time, you know,
anybody with a gun,
791
00:36:01,494 --> 00:36:03,086
it was a serious offense.
792
00:36:03,129 --> 00:36:06,394
Brutality was absolutely
a reality in this country.
793
00:36:06,432 --> 00:36:09,868
They'd stop somebody because he
was kind of shady looking and...
794
00:36:09,902 --> 00:36:11,733
oh, there's a butterfly knife!
795
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:12,896
Big offense.
796
00:36:12,938 --> 00:36:14,778
And they just shot him
right there on the spot.
797
00:36:14,807 --> 00:36:16,297
Life was like...
798
00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:17,886
You could get snuffed out
just like that.
799
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:20,071
State control was
almost absolute.
800
00:36:20,112 --> 00:36:21,909
And media definitely
801
00:36:21,947 --> 00:36:24,848
had no escape from
this kind of governance.
802
00:36:24,884 --> 00:36:27,045
Artists of all kinds
who were subversive
803
00:36:27,086 --> 00:36:29,111
were afraid to express
any kind of opinion
804
00:36:29,155 --> 00:36:31,680
because they would disappear
or end up in the prisons.
805
00:36:31,724 --> 00:36:34,284
Print, radio, television,
806
00:36:34,326 --> 00:36:36,521
and of course
the movie industry
807
00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:39,190
were all under the
control of the state
808
00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:40,926
through its various
instrumentalities
809
00:36:40,966 --> 00:36:43,025
such as, for example,
the censorship board.
810
00:36:43,068 --> 00:36:45,832
The only problem
there with censorship is
811
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:49,272
if you do a film that
deals with subversion.
812
00:36:49,308 --> 00:36:50,707
In The Big Doll House,
813
00:36:50,743 --> 00:36:53,769
Pat Woodell's character
has that one line...
814
00:36:53,812 --> 00:36:55,541
Before you can do
anything in here,
815
00:36:55,581 --> 00:36:57,708
a lot has to be changed
out there.
816
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:59,445
If that were made
in a Philippine movie,
817
00:36:59,485 --> 00:37:00,645
that would be stricken out
818
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:02,677
and you'd never hear
from the director again.
819
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:03,483
You're under arrest!
820
00:37:03,522 --> 00:37:05,490
Somebody's determining exactly
821
00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:08,288
what kind of entertainment
we're going to have,
822
00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:10,386
but the American movies
were just out there.
823
00:37:10,429 --> 00:37:14,126
So, you are the
representatives of the people.
824
00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:16,600
Their liberators.
825
00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:18,626
And we are the oppressors.
826
00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:21,435
Almost as if censorship
was not in place.
827
00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:23,498
I don't think they had
any jurisdiction over us.
828
00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:27,478
They had no idea what we were
doing on a day to day basis.
829
00:37:27,513 --> 00:37:28,844
They didn't read the script.
830
00:37:30,115 --> 00:37:32,310
To a certain point
that was kind of liberating
831
00:37:32,351 --> 00:37:34,046
for some of the Filipino directors
832
00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:38,022
who engaged in the
production of films for export.
833
00:37:38,057 --> 00:37:40,048
If you're making an
exploitation picture
834
00:37:40,092 --> 00:37:43,459
you actually can get away
with a lot more subversive stuff
835
00:37:43,495 --> 00:37:47,124
or really powerful statements
because nobody's looking.
836
00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:49,726
One of the reasons that
we were able to get away with films
837
00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:51,429
with a revolutionary theme
838
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:54,667
was the fact that we
didn't really say in all the films
839
00:37:54,707 --> 00:37:56,265
they were in the Philippines.
840
00:37:56,308 --> 00:37:58,435
Well, I shouldn't even be here.
841
00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:01,241
My trial was a real joke.
842
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,714
Those fucking
banana republic cops.
843
00:38:03,749 --> 00:38:08,049
And I don't think Marcos would
look at a character such as the.
844
00:38:08,087 --> 00:38:11,716
Commandant in Big Bird Cage
and equate himself to that.
845
00:38:13,259 --> 00:38:18,492
After that, the almost desperate
need for the dictatorship
846
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,328
to attract business
into this country.
847
00:38:21,367 --> 00:38:23,767
We were trying to explain
production to President Marcos,
848
00:38:23,802 --> 00:38:25,793
and we were talking about
the various aspects,
849
00:38:25,838 --> 00:38:29,501
and the subject came up about
below the line costs, right,
850
00:38:29,541 --> 00:38:32,305
in which he got a rather
puzzled expression on his face
851
00:38:32,344 --> 00:38:35,745
and said, "Can you explain
about this below the line.
852
00:38:35,781 --> 00:38:38,579
Is that something like
under the table?"
853
00:38:38,617 --> 00:38:41,313
We got all the cooperation in
the world from the Philippines
854
00:38:41,353 --> 00:38:42,615
because we paid 'em.
855
00:38:42,655 --> 00:38:43,713
Almost anything we needed,
856
00:38:43,756 --> 00:38:45,587
Marcos was very open
to giving us.
857
00:38:45,624 --> 00:38:49,321
I asked the army to supply me
with three helicopter gunships
858
00:38:49,361 --> 00:38:50,851
to be there at
nine in the morning
859
00:38:50,896 --> 00:38:53,364
and the captain in charge said,
860
00:38:53,399 --> 00:38:54,832
"I apologize for being late
861
00:38:54,867 --> 00:38:58,598
but we were 100 miles north
strafing and bombing rebels.
862
00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:02,166
We will now change
to blank ammunition."
863
00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:04,004
Excellent idea, I thought.
864
00:39:04,043 --> 00:39:08,002
The army was very willing to
stage the battle scenes for us.
865
00:39:10,749 --> 00:39:12,512
And that actually was important,
866
00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:15,543
because although we started with
the women-in-prison pictures,
867
00:39:15,587 --> 00:39:18,385
we very quickly moved
to action films.
868
00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:21,152
Black Mama, White Mama!
869
00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:23,127
From a hellhole
of twisted passions
870
00:39:23,162 --> 00:39:25,722
to an inferno of flaming death!
871
00:39:25,764 --> 00:39:27,789
When Roger called me to
872
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,165
invite me to do
Black Mama, White Mama,
873
00:39:30,202 --> 00:39:32,636
he said, "I want you to know
it's the female version
874
00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:34,195
of The Defiant Ones."
875
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,605
Chains of hate
kept them bound together!
876
00:39:36,642 --> 00:39:39,076
Two women,
totally different purposes.
877
00:39:39,111 --> 00:39:40,578
A terrorist and a hooker.
878
00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:43,206
You two should have
lots to talk about.
879
00:39:43,248 --> 00:39:47,514
Out for themselves but in the
end finally bonded together.
880
00:39:47,553 --> 00:39:50,386
Pam dragged me through the
jungle and I dragged her
881
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:53,448
and then I got raped while
she was on the other end of the...
882
00:39:56,895 --> 00:40:00,126
Pam Grier was amazing
on all of these shoots
883
00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,725
because she was up
for almost anything.
884
00:40:02,768 --> 00:40:05,999
There I am, hooked with
handcuffs together with her,
885
00:40:06,038 --> 00:40:09,496
and if Eddie asked her
to jump off a cliff
886
00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:12,567
she would have gladly done
it and taken me with her.
887
00:40:12,611 --> 00:40:14,977
Some of that is an exaggeration,
888
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:16,503
but we got along very well.
889
00:40:16,548 --> 00:40:17,879
I liked Pam very much.
890
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:18,575
What's that?
891
00:40:18,617 --> 00:40:21,518
It's a charm bracelet.
892
00:40:21,653 --> 00:40:24,554
The later Eddie Romero movies,
Woman Hunt, for example,
893
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:26,387
was a lot sleazier
894
00:40:26,425 --> 00:40:28,393
in terms of the way
the times had changed
895
00:40:28,427 --> 00:40:30,156
and that audiences
expected more.
896
00:40:30,195 --> 00:40:32,129
They certainly offered
a more extreme meal
897
00:40:32,164 --> 00:40:33,859
than the early ones had.
898
00:40:33,899 --> 00:40:36,231
Pig, ready for the butcher.
899
00:40:36,268 --> 00:40:38,862
Come, join the woman hunters.
900
00:40:38,904 --> 00:40:42,101
Set your sights on
the tastiest game.
901
00:40:42,141 --> 00:40:44,405
Pretty basic formulas.
902
00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:47,139
Women being kidnapped
and sold into slavery.
903
00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:49,943
They haul us in there in a cage
through the jungle,
904
00:40:49,982 --> 00:40:54,078
and they turn us over to this
lesbian black widow kind of woman...
905
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,830
Do you like to put on
a beard when you do it?
906
00:40:55,854 --> 00:40:57,321
Do you dress up like Tarzan,
907
00:40:57,356 --> 00:40:58,600
or do you pretend
you're a woman?
908
00:40:58,624 --> 00:41:00,751
...who has her way with us.
909
00:41:00,793 --> 00:41:03,660
Another incredible bevy
of beautiful women
910
00:41:03,695 --> 00:41:05,094
who were being hunted down
911
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:08,531
by these wealthy industrialist
perverted guys.
912
00:41:08,567 --> 00:41:10,125
We're all pigs,
913
00:41:10,169 --> 00:41:11,579
and we're all going
to be slaughtered.
914
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:12,831
Roger liked that theme
915
00:41:12,871 --> 00:41:15,271
where they were the game,
the naked prey,
916
00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:18,037
and literally, having to
flee for their lives
917
00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:19,907
and having to fight the hunter.
918
00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:21,936
It was a unique way
in which to present
919
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:24,141
a new women-in-jeopardy theme.
920
00:41:24,183 --> 00:41:25,309
Hello, lover.
921
00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:30,384
In the Filipino films,
922
00:41:30,422 --> 00:41:34,085
the best ones are the ones
that are trying to do it for real,
923
00:41:34,126 --> 00:41:37,118
are trying to make a good movie.
924
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:39,960
Failing miserably, but trying.
925
00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:43,058
I would look at making a
B-picture for a B-audience
926
00:41:43,101 --> 00:41:45,661
with B-elements,
but not Eddie Romero.
927
00:41:45,704 --> 00:41:49,105
Every picture to him
was an A-picture
928
00:41:49,141 --> 00:41:51,405
that had complexity of story.
929
00:41:51,443 --> 00:41:54,708
I wanted to make the characters
and the stories more believable.
930
00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,374
My own wife,
my closest colleague,
931
00:41:57,416 --> 00:41:59,611
you never understood.
You never understood!
932
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:02,119
Eddie was doing a film with Roger
933
00:42:02,154 --> 00:42:03,246
called The Twilight People.
934
00:42:03,288 --> 00:42:06,382
We had all these characters
that were half-human, half-beast,
935
00:42:06,425 --> 00:42:08,655
and one of the characters
was The Bat Man.
936
00:42:08,694 --> 00:42:11,185
Eddie sent Roger
a long script rewrite
937
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:13,698
on how he wanted
these characters to interact
938
00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:15,757
and so on and
develop their stories.
939
00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:18,395
Roger sent back a very
terse telegram which said,
940
00:42:18,437 --> 00:42:21,201
"Eddie, just make
the goddamn bat fly."
941
00:42:23,008 --> 00:42:25,272
"You make the bat fly
and we're in business."
942
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:33,950
Nobody could really take any
of those things that seriously,
943
00:42:33,986 --> 00:42:35,146
let's face it.
944
00:42:37,723 --> 00:42:41,318
So it's a take-off but it
wasn't meant to be amusing.
945
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,918
You gotta play it straight.
946
00:42:42,961 --> 00:42:46,089
I would hate to do a film
without any trace of humor.
947
00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:49,897
I don't think there were many
spots where you'd break out
948
00:42:49,935 --> 00:42:53,701
and really laugh unless it was
maybe the poor little Bat Man
949
00:42:53,739 --> 00:42:55,263
trying to fly.
950
00:42:56,308 --> 00:42:58,853
When they decided that there was a
limited return that you could get
951
00:42:58,877 --> 00:43:00,105
from pictures that were R,
952
00:43:00,145 --> 00:43:01,942
then they said,
"Okay, we'll make some PGs.
953
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:03,345
We'll make some
fantasy pictures."
954
00:43:03,382 --> 00:43:07,375
A movie about Atlantis
with fish monsters.
955
00:43:07,419 --> 00:43:09,250
They were odd-looking creatures,
956
00:43:09,288 --> 00:43:12,485
except for Leigh Christian who
was a Terrific-looking creature.
957
00:43:12,524 --> 00:43:15,015
And also John Wayne's
son as the star.
958
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:15,958
What's the pitch?
959
00:43:15,994 --> 00:43:18,360
Ashley assured me that
they were going to attempt
960
00:43:18,397 --> 00:43:21,696
to do something on a higher level,
certainly a PG level.
961
00:43:21,733 --> 00:43:23,360
A primeval princess
962
00:43:23,402 --> 00:43:26,667
leads a people from
a kingdom beneath the sea
963
00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:30,072
to a blazing battleground above!
964
00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,542
Beyond Atlantis!
965
00:43:32,578 --> 00:43:34,102
That's almost always
the kiss of death
966
00:43:34,146 --> 00:43:36,257
because people who don't know
how to make fantasy pictures
967
00:43:36,281 --> 00:43:40,012
for families end up making fantasy
pictures that don't work for families.
968
00:43:40,052 --> 00:43:41,212
Cannibal fish!
969
00:43:41,253 --> 00:43:42,117
We need a rope.
970
00:43:42,154 --> 00:43:43,246
I got one.
971
00:43:45,791 --> 00:43:49,386
My father and I kept
this hybrid society going
972
00:43:49,428 --> 00:43:52,329
by having me mate with humans.
973
00:43:52,364 --> 00:43:56,027
It is your destiny
to mate with an outsider,
974
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:57,797
not to love him.
975
00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:00,100
It was, like, highly improbable.
976
00:44:00,138 --> 00:44:03,471
You had to suspend disbelief
along the way for all of this stuff.
977
00:44:03,508 --> 00:44:05,135
I wasn't very happy
with the script.
978
00:44:05,177 --> 00:44:07,372
We tried to do what
we could with it.
979
00:44:07,412 --> 00:44:10,779
I kind of, like, got the idea
that people cared about it.
980
00:44:10,816 --> 00:44:13,785
I'm given a script
and I do what I'm told
981
00:44:13,819 --> 00:44:16,583
and I collect my paycheck
and go home.
982
00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:22,286
Eddie Romero got the idea
983
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:24,818
that the scenes that I did
with Pam Grier
984
00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:26,728
were incredibly sexy.
985
00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:28,164
Perverted but sexy.
986
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,294
And so he thought that,
"God, it would be great
987
00:44:31,336 --> 00:44:33,896
if we had him with two girls.
988
00:44:33,939 --> 00:44:36,237
That's gotta be
twice as sexy, right?"
989
00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:40,108
Then we did Savage Sisters
and I had four women.
990
00:44:40,145 --> 00:44:41,009
C'mon, girls.
991
00:44:41,046 --> 00:44:42,240
Line up for your present!
992
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,214
I'm going,
"This is totally nuts."
993
00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:47,480
But I wound up the whole
deal by shooting all four.
994
00:44:52,591 --> 00:44:54,855
You needed only
one bullet last time.
995
00:44:54,893 --> 00:44:57,088
Stinking bitches
wouldn't stand still!
996
00:44:57,129 --> 00:44:58,619
Straighten your tie...
997
00:44:58,664 --> 00:45:00,325
shine your shoes...
998
00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:01,798
company's coming!
999
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:05,564
Three little maids from the
toughest school in the jungle
1000
00:45:05,604 --> 00:45:09,199
with plenty of ammunition
stacked in just the right places!
1001
00:45:09,241 --> 00:45:12,074
You couldn't possibly
take it seriously.
1002
00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:13,737
It was really a cartoon.
1003
00:45:15,347 --> 00:45:16,746
It was full of sex...
1004
00:45:16,782 --> 00:45:18,044
I'm a dog.
1005
00:45:20,185 --> 00:45:21,709
What kind?
1006
00:45:23,088 --> 00:45:24,817
A whipped dog.
1007
00:45:24,856 --> 00:45:25,550
...money...
1008
00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:27,023
Greenback salad.
1009
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:28,059
My favorite dish.
1010
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:28,718
...killings...
1011
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,856
I guess this is where we
blow your stinking heads off!
1012
00:45:32,898 --> 00:45:34,160
...anything you can think of.
1013
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:35,359
I enjoyed doing that,
1014
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,767
but there were limits to what
I can do with the material.
1015
00:45:38,804 --> 00:45:40,795
You look kind of sexy
all tied up like that.
1016
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:42,617
Well, I used to think
I'd let all of you pee in my face
1017
00:45:42,641 --> 00:45:43,972
just to see where it came from
1018
00:45:44,009 --> 00:45:45,237
but hell, not anymore!
1019
00:45:45,277 --> 00:45:47,370
I don't know if I want
to become so descriptive
1020
00:45:47,412 --> 00:45:48,902
of what I had to do in the movie,
1021
00:45:48,947 --> 00:45:51,108
but if you could just take
your imagination
1022
00:45:51,149 --> 00:45:53,344
of the middle part of a man's body
1023
00:45:53,385 --> 00:45:55,410
and have a good time with it
and tear it off.
1024
00:45:57,622 --> 00:45:58,680
Things were a little tense
1025
00:45:58,724 --> 00:46:00,487
but I think it came off alright.
1026
00:46:00,525 --> 00:46:02,390
To say that I'm
proud of the movie?
1027
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:03,189
No.
1028
00:46:03,228 --> 00:46:06,527
These are not really the kind of
films that I've been longing to make.
1029
00:46:06,565 --> 00:46:09,762
They are the films that
I had to make considering
1030
00:46:09,801 --> 00:46:12,065
what the market had to offer
1031
00:46:12,104 --> 00:46:14,402
and what the market wanted.
1032
00:46:14,439 --> 00:46:16,066
Eddie's a very honorable man,
1033
00:46:16,108 --> 00:46:18,508
and whatever he did
he always gave it his best shot
1034
00:46:18,543 --> 00:46:21,478
and sometimes it didn't live up
to his hopes and expectations,
1035
00:46:21,513 --> 00:46:23,037
but what else is new?
1036
00:46:23,081 --> 00:46:24,776
He wasn't proud of the films
1037
00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:27,216
and pretty much disavowed
them late in his career.
1038
00:46:27,252 --> 00:46:29,812
I was always tired of them
1039
00:46:29,855 --> 00:46:32,949
but I felt, you know,
I had little choice.
1040
00:46:32,991 --> 00:46:37,325
He's now a national artist
for cinema and a grand old man,
1041
00:46:37,362 --> 00:46:40,593
which is pretty amazing
for a guy who started with.
1042
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:41,997
Terror Is A Man.
1043
00:46:49,274 --> 00:46:53,040
Cirio Santiago was kind of the
next generation of filmmakers
1044
00:46:53,078 --> 00:46:54,375
after Eddie Romero.
1045
00:46:54,412 --> 00:46:55,957
They saw what Eddie
had done and they thought,
1046
00:46:55,981 --> 00:46:57,158
"Well, we can have some of that."
1047
00:46:57,182 --> 00:47:00,276
Here comes this
maverick director, Cirio,
1048
00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:05,153
who saw in the Filipino films
that they produced, you know,
1049
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:08,557
something that was not
Hollywood enough.
1050
00:47:08,593 --> 00:47:11,756
He was making Philippine films
when I met him
1051
00:47:11,797 --> 00:47:15,164
and then he made the transition
to working with me.
1052
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,033
He asked me if I wanted to
direct for this market.
1053
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:19,798
I said, "Yeah,
I would direct for free."
1054
00:47:19,838 --> 00:47:22,068
He said,
"No, I'll pay you $3,000."
1055
00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:25,474
The first film Cirio directed
for me was Savage!
1056
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:26,510
Savage!
1057
00:47:26,545 --> 00:47:27,671
That's his name.
1058
00:47:27,712 --> 00:47:29,339
"The biggest dude
with the baddest gun."
1059
00:47:29,381 --> 00:47:30,678
He's more than a man!
1060
00:47:30,715 --> 00:47:32,478
He's a death machine!
1061
00:47:32,517 --> 00:47:34,144
Now their family's new hero.
1062
00:47:34,186 --> 00:47:35,676
Savage, they call him.
1063
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,019
I had grown tired of the
women-in-prison genre,
1064
00:47:39,057 --> 00:47:42,925
and I felt this black soldier
of fortune action film
1065
00:47:42,961 --> 00:47:44,428
might do well.
1066
00:47:44,462 --> 00:47:47,192
Let's do something to excite
the imagination of the people.
1067
00:47:47,232 --> 00:47:49,291
Something dramatic.
1068
00:47:49,334 --> 00:47:50,733
It'll be dramatic, alright.
1069
00:47:53,672 --> 00:47:58,507
That was a time when black films
were very special in drive-ins.
1070
00:47:58,543 --> 00:47:59,771
They were very big.
1071
00:47:59,811 --> 00:48:01,335
Stronger than Slaughter!
1072
00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:02,676
Slicker than Shaft!
1073
00:48:02,714 --> 00:48:04,875
More super-high than Super fly.
1074
00:48:06,518 --> 00:48:07,644
Savage!
1075
00:48:07,686 --> 00:48:09,176
Cirio was a good director
1076
00:48:09,221 --> 00:48:12,622
and he got the army
to come in for the big scenes.
1077
00:48:12,657 --> 00:48:14,682
Fire, all units!
1078
00:48:14,726 --> 00:48:17,923
So we really had
a fairly big-looking film
1079
00:48:17,963 --> 00:48:19,453
for a small amount of money.
1080
00:48:19,497 --> 00:48:21,328
Savage! Is still
a pretty shitty movie.
1081
00:48:22,767 --> 00:48:24,462
That's what you call
an understatement.
1082
00:48:24,502 --> 00:48:25,992
TNT Jackson!
1083
00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:28,130
Black bombshell
with a short fuse!
1084
00:48:28,173 --> 00:48:30,937
The basic idea behind
TNT Jackson
1085
00:48:30,976 --> 00:48:34,104
was to combine the
black exploitation concept
1086
00:48:34,145 --> 00:48:35,703
with kung fu.
1087
00:48:35,747 --> 00:48:37,408
You want it black,
you got it black.
1088
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,915
Roger called me up one day
and said, "We have a script."
1089
00:48:43,955 --> 00:48:45,149
I had read the theme.
1090
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:46,680
It didn't seem to read right.
1091
00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:48,352
He said, "Well, you rewrite it."
1092
00:48:48,393 --> 00:48:52,295
It was started by Dick
and he got, I think, $500.
1093
00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:55,026
Roger said, "Well, aren't
you going to write any more?"
1094
00:48:55,066 --> 00:48:57,034
I said, "I'm finished."
1095
00:48:57,068 --> 00:49:01,402
And he said, "I wanted
to get my money's worth."
1096
00:49:01,439 --> 00:49:02,167
I heard them talk.
1097
00:49:02,207 --> 00:49:05,665
He said, "Well, for $500 what do
you want, Gone With The Wind?"
1098
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:07,644
I know very little
about kung fu.
1099
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,978
The idea is to as much
as you can on film at that time
1100
00:49:11,016 --> 00:49:12,449
so you write a good sentence.
1101
00:49:12,484 --> 00:49:14,509
You write, "The battle begins."
1102
00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:20,083
That could be, you know,
months of shooting
1103
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:22,059
and you got it covered
in one sentence.
1104
00:49:23,862 --> 00:49:25,386
It was fast and furious.
1105
00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,531
It starred Jeannie Bell.
1106
00:49:28,566 --> 00:49:30,761
The name is Diana Jackson.
1107
00:49:32,337 --> 00:49:33,395
Damn.
1108
00:49:33,438 --> 00:49:34,996
TNT to you.
1109
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,769
She was an unknown so I said,
1110
00:49:36,808 --> 00:49:39,242
"We've got to publicize
Jeannie Bell."
1111
00:49:39,277 --> 00:49:40,938
My wife at the time, Sylvia,
1112
00:49:40,979 --> 00:49:43,277
came up with the idea
of a fake award.
1113
00:49:43,315 --> 00:49:46,409
The first annual
Ebony Fist award
1114
00:49:46,451 --> 00:49:50,080
as the greatest black
kung fu fighter in the world.
1115
00:49:50,121 --> 00:49:51,383
She was a two-time winner.
1116
00:49:51,423 --> 00:49:53,118
She was a two-time winner, exactly.
1117
00:49:53,158 --> 00:49:55,820
Jon Davison, who was
the head of our publicity,
1118
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:57,828
came up with a great catch line:
1119
00:49:57,862 --> 00:49:59,193
"TNT Jackson...
1120
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:00,788
She'll put you in traction."
1121
00:50:02,867 --> 00:50:05,961
With that dynamite bod,
she's a jet black hit squad!
1122
00:50:06,004 --> 00:50:08,404
"You'd better treat her fine
or she'll shatter your spine."
1123
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,084
"You know you've been kissed
by her ebony fist
1124
00:50:10,108 --> 00:50:12,633
when the blood from your face
stains your diamond necklace."
1125
00:50:12,677 --> 00:50:14,702
That may have only been
used in the TV spots.
1126
00:50:14,746 --> 00:50:17,010
She's a one-mama massacre squad!
1127
00:50:17,048 --> 00:50:20,245
This was one of those movies
that was not, shall we say,
1128
00:50:20,285 --> 00:50:23,379
in the forefront of the great
even Filipino movies
1129
00:50:23,421 --> 00:50:26,015
and we had to do a lot of
faking in the trailer.
1130
00:50:26,057 --> 00:50:29,185
We just decided to make up a
whole subplot about heroin.
1131
00:50:29,227 --> 00:50:31,491
Undercover,
out to blast a killer army
1132
00:50:31,529 --> 00:50:34,589
that's poisoning the people
with deadly China White.
1133
00:50:34,632 --> 00:50:36,862
"Deadly China White
in black Chinatown
1134
00:50:36,901 --> 00:50:38,368
where the red dragon rules."
1135
00:50:38,403 --> 00:50:40,928
Black Chinatown,
where flesh is cheap
1136
00:50:40,972 --> 00:50:44,430
and life is cheaper,
and the red dragon rules.
1137
00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:47,240
Films like Savage!
And TNT Jackson
1138
00:50:47,278 --> 00:50:51,408
did bring a different look
to the black exploitation films.
1139
00:50:51,449 --> 00:50:54,145
They took it out of
the United States of America
1140
00:50:54,185 --> 00:50:56,153
to do black filmmaking,
1141
00:50:56,187 --> 00:50:57,415
and as a matter of fact,
1142
00:50:57,455 --> 00:51:00,356
you wouldn't think of that
in the Philippines.
1143
00:51:00,392 --> 00:51:02,519
Black actors in
a new environment.
1144
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,926
It definitely opened up
the business.
1145
00:51:04,963 --> 00:51:07,363
Still want to go home?
1146
00:51:07,399 --> 00:51:09,629
Where's home?
1147
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:11,965
Yeah, I know what you mean.
1148
00:51:12,003 --> 00:51:14,130
I think we've found our turf.
1149
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:24,013
Once Cirio started
producing and directing,
1150
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:26,279
I mean, all bets were off
1151
00:51:26,317 --> 00:51:29,582
in terms of product being,
you know, halfway-decent.
1152
00:51:29,621 --> 00:51:31,384
They were usually out of focus.
1153
00:51:31,423 --> 00:51:33,755
The sound quality was
sometimes terrible.
1154
00:51:33,792 --> 00:51:35,623
There were all sorts of scratches.
1155
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:38,720
There was gouges, and you'd
occasionally see, you know,
1156
00:51:38,763 --> 00:51:41,323
what could be claw marks
from rodents.
1157
00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:42,333
Roll 'em!
1158
00:51:42,367 --> 00:51:45,666
Roger would just get
madder and madder
1159
00:51:45,703 --> 00:51:47,796
during the course
of the screenings.
1160
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:49,272
"I mean really...
1161
00:51:49,307 --> 00:51:52,071
we're really screwed this time."
1162
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,237
And they basically
needed to be doctored.
1163
00:51:54,279 --> 00:51:56,179
They needed new scenes shot.
1164
00:51:56,214 --> 00:51:59,445
And Roger almost always
wants you to add another chase
1165
00:51:59,484 --> 00:52:01,577
or at least another explosion.
1166
00:52:01,619 --> 00:52:05,146
You could hear him screaming
at Cirio through the walls.
1167
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:08,023
"You really screwed me, Cirio!"
1168
00:52:08,059 --> 00:52:11,324
Break the sex barrier
with the stewardesses of...
1169
00:52:11,362 --> 00:52:12,829
Fly Me.
1170
00:52:12,864 --> 00:52:14,058
Rated R.
1171
00:52:14,099 --> 00:52:17,591
I wasn't supposed to be a
karate-kicking stewardess,
1172
00:52:17,635 --> 00:52:19,398
but when we got back
to the States
1173
00:52:19,437 --> 00:52:22,133
they decided that it needed
a little bit more punch.
1174
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,937
Fly Me, which was
another terrible picture,
1175
00:52:24,976 --> 00:52:28,810
had Jonathan Demme direct
three days at the Amishira.
1176
00:52:28,847 --> 00:52:31,543
They got David Carradine
to come in for the day
1177
00:52:31,583 --> 00:52:35,485
and he taught me karate
and kung fu in an hour and a half,
1178
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,546
and then I just beat people up.
1179
00:52:39,991 --> 00:52:41,856
I kicked the shit
out of a lot of people,
1180
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:43,861
is really what I meant to say.
1181
00:52:47,499 --> 00:52:48,966
As the pictures went on,
1182
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,434
they became a little bit
more threadbare,
1183
00:52:51,469 --> 00:52:53,562
and when Cover Girl Models
rolled around
1184
00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:57,097
it was pretty much the
nadir of the period.
1185
00:52:57,142 --> 00:53:00,634
Authentic Oriental
crap is what it is.
1186
00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:02,873
But what it did have
is it did have a lot of dresses
1187
00:53:02,914 --> 00:53:04,458
because they were supposed
to be fashion models,
1188
00:53:04,482 --> 00:53:06,643
and we said,
"They're always overexposed...
1189
00:53:06,684 --> 00:53:08,675
...but they're
never under-developed."
1190
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,448
Very important.
1191
00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:11,785
This is Mark "F Stop" Fitzgerald.
1192
00:53:11,823 --> 00:53:15,884
If his camera could talk
he'd be in jail for statutory rape.
1193
00:53:15,927 --> 00:53:17,918
It's one of the best
trailers we ever made.
1194
00:53:17,962 --> 00:53:19,725
It doesn't reflect
the movie at all.
1195
00:53:19,764 --> 00:53:22,631
At some point someone is running
and fires a gun in the air,
1196
00:53:22,667 --> 00:53:23,895
and you cut to a helicopter.
1197
00:53:23,935 --> 00:53:26,597
Now that's the picture where the
exploding helicopter came from,
1198
00:53:26,638 --> 00:53:29,903
and we learned that anytime
anybody fired a gun,
1199
00:53:29,941 --> 00:53:32,653
if you cut to the exploding helicopter,
it looked like they blew it up.
1200
00:53:32,677 --> 00:53:36,169
So later, when we found even,
you know, less attractive movies
1201
00:53:36,214 --> 00:53:40,173
were coming our way, we always
had the exploding helicopter
1202
00:53:40,218 --> 00:53:41,150
in our drawer.
1203
00:53:41,186 --> 00:53:43,984
They made her a criminal
in Jackson County Jail!
1204
00:53:44,022 --> 00:53:46,547
As a viewer you would see
New World trailers and go,
1205
00:53:46,591 --> 00:53:49,082
"Wasn't that explosion in
Eat My Dust?"
1206
00:53:49,127 --> 00:53:51,027
So I used to look at
these things and say,
1207
00:53:51,062 --> 00:53:52,222
"These are brilliant.
1208
00:53:52,263 --> 00:53:54,629
In some cases, the trailers
are better than the films."
1209
00:53:54,666 --> 00:53:56,691
Steve Carver did a lot
of trailers for Roger
1210
00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:59,134
before he moved on
to directing for Roger,
1211
00:53:59,170 --> 00:54:02,264
and he came up with some of the
more memorable catchphrases,
1212
00:54:02,307 --> 00:54:03,706
one of which was...
1213
00:54:03,741 --> 00:54:05,504
They wanted love...
1214
00:54:05,543 --> 00:54:07,568
"He gave them terror and death."
1215
00:54:07,612 --> 00:54:09,876
We did push the limits
whenever possible.
1216
00:54:09,914 --> 00:54:11,404
On or off duty,
1217
00:54:11,449 --> 00:54:14,282
they always come when you call.
1218
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:17,516
There were a lot of tricks that
I employed learning from Roger,
1219
00:54:17,555 --> 00:54:20,820
of course, how to
distract the rating people.
1220
00:54:20,858 --> 00:54:22,086
Wow!
1221
00:54:22,126 --> 00:54:24,026
If something was
coming up on the trailer,
1222
00:54:24,062 --> 00:54:25,825
all I had to do was say something,
1223
00:54:25,863 --> 00:54:27,241
they'd turn their heads and miss it.
1224
00:54:27,265 --> 00:54:30,132
Learn the bare facts from
the Summer School Teachers.
1225
00:54:30,168 --> 00:54:33,035
And that's how we got
a lot of that stuff by.
1226
00:54:33,071 --> 00:54:34,834
Jon Davison bet Roger Corman
1227
00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:38,433
that he could make the lowest
budget picture they had made
1228
00:54:38,476 --> 00:54:39,807
at New World at that time.
1229
00:54:39,844 --> 00:54:42,039
Welcome to Miracle Pictures,
1230
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,445
where they make
a picture a week
1231
00:54:43,481 --> 00:54:46,541
and if it's a good picture
it's a miracle!
1232
00:54:46,584 --> 00:54:47,710
I said, "What is the film?"
1233
00:54:47,752 --> 00:54:50,277
They said, "It's going to be
Hollywood Boulevard
1234
00:54:50,321 --> 00:54:53,779
and it will be a parody
of a low budget
1235
00:54:53,825 --> 00:54:56,191
motion picture
production company."
1236
00:54:56,227 --> 00:54:58,286
Girls, I've called you all here
1237
00:54:58,329 --> 00:55:00,661
to offer you a
glorious opportunity.
1238
00:55:00,698 --> 00:55:01,756
Look out.
1239
00:55:01,799 --> 00:55:03,790
It is Machete Maidens
of Moracau.
1240
00:55:03,835 --> 00:55:05,212
Miracle Pictures new
super spectacle
1241
00:55:05,236 --> 00:55:06,547
shot entirely in the Philippines!
1242
00:55:06,571 --> 00:55:09,267
We were making fun of
something that we knew very well.
1243
00:55:09,307 --> 00:55:12,174
We did this under the guise
of a moviemaking plot
1244
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:13,768
and the girls go to the Philippines
1245
00:55:13,811 --> 00:55:15,438
and they shoot Filipinos out of trees,
1246
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,381
but the Filipinos falling down
are from another picture.
1247
00:55:18,416 --> 00:55:19,576
But we went out to Malibu
1248
00:55:19,617 --> 00:55:23,713
and shot the starlets
with machine guns firing away.
1249
00:55:24,289 --> 00:55:25,586
Go! Go!
1250
00:55:25,623 --> 00:55:26,885
I want action!
1251
00:55:26,924 --> 00:55:28,516
There's a scene where
they try to get
1252
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,424
Mary Woronov to meet some dogs,
1253
00:55:30,461 --> 00:55:32,773
and it's just because we had
this shot of this Filipino guy
1254
00:55:32,797 --> 00:55:34,059
holding these vicious dogs.
1255
00:55:34,098 --> 00:55:37,693
And so we just shot a scene
that was the other angle.
1256
00:55:39,937 --> 00:55:43,703
That whole movie doesn't exist
except for the existing material.
1257
00:55:43,741 --> 00:55:45,208
"Why is there a cut
to that pig?"
1258
00:55:45,243 --> 00:55:46,687
"Well, because the pig
was in the Philippines
1259
00:55:46,711 --> 00:55:49,578
and we were here
and he was a free pig."
1260
00:55:49,614 --> 00:55:51,309
Ten days.
Two units, ten days.
1261
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:52,680
No waiting.
Two units, no waiting.
1262
00:55:52,717 --> 00:55:53,775
Two directors, no waiting.
1263
00:55:53,818 --> 00:55:56,446
Roger said it was the best
10 day picture of the decade.
1264
00:55:56,487 --> 00:55:58,751
It did reflect the spirit
of New World.
1265
00:55:58,790 --> 00:56:01,782
As a matter of fact, a number of
directors who had started with us
1266
00:56:01,826 --> 00:56:05,626
and moved on came back
to play roles in the picture.
1267
00:56:05,663 --> 00:56:10,828
Paul Bartel came back as a
totally pretentious director
1268
00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:13,564
of a low budget nonsense picture.
1269
00:56:13,604 --> 00:56:16,664
You tell the writer, T.G.,
that we have taken his empty,
1270
00:56:16,708 --> 00:56:18,676
flaccid, stupid little story
1271
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:22,771
and firmed it up into a pulsating,
penetrating, thrusting,
1272
00:56:22,814 --> 00:56:25,749
unflinching look into the future.
1273
00:56:25,783 --> 00:56:28,251
Now when you look back at it
it's kind of a documentary
1274
00:56:28,286 --> 00:56:30,311
of how New World Pictures
were really made.
1275
00:56:30,355 --> 00:56:33,051
If you wanted a job
with Roger Corman,
1276
00:56:33,091 --> 00:56:35,821
he would like give you a broom.
1277
00:56:35,860 --> 00:56:40,229
And if you did a really good job
sweeping up, he would say,
1278
00:56:40,264 --> 00:56:44,200
"Would you like to be
assistant editor on this film?"
1279
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:47,466
And if you did a really poor job
sweeping up, you know,
1280
00:56:47,505 --> 00:56:49,200
you just stayed sweeping.
1281
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,698
It was an absolutely terrific
place to be a young editor
1282
00:56:52,744 --> 00:56:56,180
or young director or
somebody who wanted to direct.
1283
00:56:56,214 --> 00:57:00,548
I would say that this is
maybe the finest moment
1284
00:57:00,585 --> 00:57:03,349
in my motion picture career.
1285
00:57:03,388 --> 00:57:07,119
I respect and
I admire Roger Corman
1286
00:57:07,158 --> 00:57:08,989
but he is so full of shit.
1287
00:57:09,026 --> 00:57:10,050
He's about money.
1288
00:57:10,094 --> 00:57:12,085
Roger's about money,
1289
00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:13,757
and because he's about money
1290
00:57:13,798 --> 00:57:16,528
he has given many,
many people their breaks,
1291
00:57:16,567 --> 00:57:20,367
which means,
"I'm going to let you break your ass
1292
00:57:20,405 --> 00:57:24,239
and work so hard for me,
not pay you,
1293
00:57:24,275 --> 00:57:27,642
make millions,
but you'll have made a movie."
1294
00:57:27,678 --> 00:57:29,373
And, believe it or not,
1295
00:57:29,414 --> 00:57:31,348
that's not a bad deal
for a lot of people.
1296
00:57:31,382 --> 00:57:33,907
And you look at all the people
who started with Corman.
1297
00:57:33,951 --> 00:57:36,249
But you don't hear
Bobby de Niro saying,
1298
00:57:36,287 --> 00:57:38,050
"Roger gave me my start."
1299
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:40,751
He says, "That fucker
still owes me money."
1300
00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:42,157
Roger loves films.
1301
00:57:42,193 --> 00:57:44,354
You know, Roger loves,
in his own way.
1302
00:57:44,395 --> 00:57:46,395
As he says, "There's only
three ways to make films:
1303
00:57:46,431 --> 00:57:48,296
The right way, the wrong way,
the Corman way."
1304
00:57:48,332 --> 00:57:51,199
You shoot the beginning,
the end and the action.
1305
00:57:53,805 --> 00:57:54,805
And the sex.
1306
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:56,704
We want frontal nudity
from the waist up,
1307
00:57:56,741 --> 00:57:58,299
total nudity from behind,
1308
00:57:58,342 --> 00:58:00,037
no pubic hair, go to work.
1309
00:58:00,077 --> 00:58:03,069
Everything else,
all the dialogue scenes
1310
00:58:03,114 --> 00:58:07,016
and all of the developmental
scenes of the characters,
1311
00:58:07,051 --> 00:58:10,578
those are left up to the editing
and you shoot them very sparsely.
1312
00:58:10,621 --> 00:58:14,717
Go to your cameraman and say,
"How long to make it excellent?
1313
00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:16,158
How long to make it good?
1314
00:58:16,194 --> 00:58:18,025
And how long to get an image?"
1315
00:58:18,062 --> 00:58:20,587
And then get the image.
1316
00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:21,393
It's nonsense.
1317
00:58:21,432 --> 00:58:23,923
I mean, I have no idea
how these stories come up.
1318
00:58:32,109 --> 00:58:34,577
From the start of the
partnership with Roger,
1319
00:58:34,612 --> 00:58:38,571
Cirio was able to also produce
and direct for other film companies.
1320
00:58:38,616 --> 00:58:40,607
Ebony, Ivory and Jade!
1321
00:58:40,651 --> 00:58:43,814
Three foxy mamas with
a thousand ways to kill!
1322
00:58:43,855 --> 00:58:45,413
In Ebony, Ivory and Jade,
1323
00:58:45,456 --> 00:58:47,651
I play Ebony,
1324
00:58:47,692 --> 00:58:49,819
and I'm a track star
1325
00:58:49,861 --> 00:58:54,958
and my rival, Ivory,
and my best friend, Jade,
1326
00:58:54,999 --> 00:58:57,627
get kidnapped by some terrorists.
1327
00:58:57,668 --> 00:58:58,828
What the hell is this?
1328
00:58:58,870 --> 00:59:01,498
If you say one word, you die.
1329
00:59:04,408 --> 00:59:08,777
And we have to karate chop
our way to freedom.
1330
00:59:08,813 --> 00:59:11,441
These sisters got soul
they can't control!
1331
00:59:11,482 --> 00:59:12,744
There's action...
1332
00:59:14,218 --> 00:59:15,116
...pretty girls...
1333
00:59:15,152 --> 00:59:17,177
I'm ready for my close-up,
Cecil B. De Mille.
1334
00:59:17,221 --> 00:59:18,688
...kind of campy dialogue...
1335
00:59:18,723 --> 00:59:20,054
Oh, stop talking
like a martyr!
1336
00:59:20,091 --> 00:59:22,651
That's all you're trying to be
is another black martyr!
1337
00:59:22,693 --> 00:59:23,853
With exploitation movies,
1338
00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:25,658
dialogue and acting
is always the problem.
1339
00:59:25,696 --> 00:59:28,130
You want the film to move fast
so you have a lot of action.
1340
00:59:34,772 --> 00:59:36,433
Whatever you do, don't fall down
1341
00:59:36,474 --> 00:59:38,285
because if Cirio wants
to cut you out of the picture
1342
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:41,005
all he has to do is cut
to a guy firing a gun
1343
00:59:41,045 --> 00:59:43,070
and you're out
and you're home, you're gone.
1344
00:59:43,114 --> 00:59:45,742
He was trying to do
good American films
1345
00:59:45,783 --> 00:59:47,978
within a limited budget
and limited time.
1346
00:59:48,019 --> 00:59:51,580
He understood that
kind of exploitation template
1347
00:59:51,622 --> 00:59:52,646
with the humor.
1348
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:54,214
We got mosquitoes,
1349
00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:56,522
we've got ants,
we've got no can opener.
1350
00:59:59,297 --> 01:00:00,696
Dinner is served.
1351
01:00:00,731 --> 01:00:01,925
That's what I wanted to do.
1352
01:00:01,966 --> 01:00:02,966
This is fun.
1353
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,331
Don't take me seriously.
1354
01:00:04,368 --> 01:00:06,165
The Muthers to me, you know...
1355
01:00:06,203 --> 01:00:07,329
it was what it was.
1356
01:00:07,371 --> 01:00:09,931
Sexual exploitation in the jungle.
1357
01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:14,367
Just like every other
snake I ever met.
1358
01:00:14,412 --> 01:00:16,676
Can't leave my tits alone.
1359
01:00:16,714 --> 01:00:19,114
And the storyline was...
1360
01:00:19,150 --> 01:00:21,710
We were two black
female pirates.
1361
01:00:21,752 --> 01:00:23,652
The lead pirate, Jeannie Bell,
1362
01:00:23,688 --> 01:00:25,679
her sister has disappeared.
1363
01:00:25,723 --> 01:00:27,100
Do you have any idea
where she went?
1364
01:00:27,124 --> 01:00:28,819
When little Sandra
gets out of camp,
1365
01:00:28,859 --> 01:00:30,417
she doesn't leave her itinerary.
1366
01:00:30,461 --> 01:00:34,227
We get into the plantations
so we can take her out
1367
01:00:34,265 --> 01:00:35,857
and she gets killed.
1368
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,198
Then we have to find a
way to get out ourselves.
1369
01:00:38,235 --> 01:00:40,396
Didn't you know?
There's no way out.
1370
01:00:40,438 --> 01:00:41,905
There's my way.
1371
01:00:47,011 --> 01:00:50,310
It's one of the few movies,
I know for decades,
1372
01:00:50,348 --> 01:00:53,340
where four black actresses
play the lead.
1373
01:00:55,286 --> 01:00:58,653
One of the things that we all
had hoped for in Hollywood
1374
01:00:58,689 --> 01:01:00,782
was the opportunity
to get into a script
1375
01:01:00,825 --> 01:01:02,986
where it didn't really matter
what color you were.
1376
01:01:03,027 --> 01:01:05,120
I mean, we're not
trying to be black
1377
01:01:05,162 --> 01:01:06,959
or against the white woman.
1378
01:01:08,399 --> 01:01:11,425
We're just out there,
wanting to get our freedom.
1379
01:01:11,469 --> 01:01:14,302
It has nothing to do
with what color you are.
1380
01:01:14,338 --> 01:01:16,397
It has to do with survival.
1381
01:01:17,441 --> 01:01:20,171
The only other parts that were
available for me were hookers
1382
01:01:20,211 --> 01:01:22,839
so I'd rather beat 'em up
than be beat up.
1383
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:34,617
Firecracker was an
idea of Cirio's.
1384
01:01:34,659 --> 01:01:37,321
TNT Jackson had been
so successful,
1385
01:01:37,361 --> 01:01:40,228
he felt we should make
a similar film
1386
01:01:40,264 --> 01:01:42,232
but make it with a white girl.
1387
01:01:42,266 --> 01:01:43,699
See Jillian Kesner,
1388
01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:46,897
grand prize winner
at the Black Belt Olympics.
1389
01:01:46,937 --> 01:01:49,167
She'll mix seduction
with destruction!
1390
01:01:49,206 --> 01:01:51,003
She was a real trooper.
1391
01:01:51,042 --> 01:01:53,442
She didn't know that much about
martial arts at the time
1392
01:01:53,477 --> 01:01:56,446
but she really studied hard
and went full bore.
1393
01:02:04,155 --> 01:02:05,747
The final showdown
was interesting.
1394
01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:09,453
They said, "Okay, we have
these collapsible sticks,
1395
01:02:09,493 --> 01:02:11,085
and she's gonna jump up
and come down
1396
01:02:11,128 --> 01:02:13,323
and gently push them
on your eyes
1397
01:02:13,364 --> 01:02:15,059
and they will collapse
into themselves
1398
01:02:15,099 --> 01:02:16,930
and maybe some blood
will squirt out."
1399
01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:19,765
And I'm, like, "Really?
Let me see them."
1400
01:02:21,205 --> 01:02:23,833
And they like showed me on a
dummy and of course they stuck
1401
01:02:23,874 --> 01:02:25,637
and the guy's jamming 'em down.
1402
01:02:25,676 --> 01:02:28,839
I said, "You know, I don't think
I want Gillian to push those
1403
01:02:28,879 --> 01:02:29,743
down on my eyes."
1404
01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:32,146
So of course they used a
mannequin at that point.
1405
01:02:32,183 --> 01:02:35,482
In the end, when they showed
that sequence and she jumped up
1406
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,214
and, you know,
my eyes squirted out,
1407
01:02:37,254 --> 01:02:39,484
my mom literally
almost had a heart attack.
1408
01:02:39,523 --> 01:02:41,821
At that point, she jumped out
of her chair and was, like,
1409
01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:43,190
"Oh my God!"
1410
01:02:43,494 --> 01:02:44,552
Firecracker!
1411
01:02:44,595 --> 01:02:47,359
The screen's first
erotic kung fu classic!
1412
01:02:47,398 --> 01:02:48,865
Cirio lived a dream.
1413
01:02:48,899 --> 01:02:51,993
He basically, you know,
worked on a film
1414
01:02:52,036 --> 01:02:54,197
every day of his adult life.
1415
01:02:54,238 --> 01:02:57,173
American films,
I did about close to 40.
1416
01:02:57,208 --> 01:03:00,837
Filipino films,
I made about 63.
1417
01:03:00,878 --> 01:03:01,810
More than a hundred.
1418
01:03:01,846 --> 01:03:04,974
He had diplomatic immunity
for a number of years,
1419
01:03:05,015 --> 01:03:07,677
which was a good thing
considering the pictures he made.
1420
01:03:07,718 --> 01:03:08,616
Vampire.
1421
01:03:08,652 --> 01:03:10,586
We are all vampires.
1422
01:03:10,621 --> 01:03:12,953
We're all dead.
1423
01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:14,787
And we don't like you very much.
1424
01:03:14,825 --> 01:03:16,884
Vampire Hookers...
Yeah, that was awful.
1425
01:03:16,927 --> 01:03:19,122
Coffins are for being laid to rest,
1426
01:03:19,163 --> 01:03:20,755
not for being laid.
1427
01:03:20,798 --> 01:03:24,131
The catch line was, "Blood
isn't the only thing they suck."
1428
01:03:24,168 --> 01:03:24,930
Imagine that.
1429
01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:28,063
He used to tell his cast
and the crew,
1430
01:03:28,105 --> 01:03:30,573
"Don't think that
we're making a B-movie.
1431
01:03:30,608 --> 01:03:33,577
Think that we're making
the best movie we can make."
1432
01:03:33,611 --> 01:03:35,203
Cirio was a pioneer.
1433
01:03:35,246 --> 01:03:38,010
Now we're having a hard time
getting into the international market
1434
01:03:38,048 --> 01:03:39,345
but he was there ahead,
1435
01:03:39,383 --> 01:03:41,943
although he denied
they were done here.
1436
01:03:41,986 --> 01:03:43,783
I think he was
still proudly Filipino.
1437
01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:53,989
Bobby Suarez was a guy
who'd worked for Rank,
1438
01:03:54,031 --> 01:03:56,363
the English film producer
and distributor.
1439
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,011
The big difference between
Cirio and Bobby
1440
01:03:58,035 --> 01:04:02,062
was Cirio was personally unflappable
but Bobby was like a spark.
1441
01:04:02,106 --> 01:04:06,406
He did the whole film with a
cocked.45 automatic in his belt.
1442
01:04:06,443 --> 01:04:08,809
And every now and then
he'd just shoot at something.
1443
01:04:08,846 --> 01:04:12,373
It kept everybody
really nervous and in line.
1444
01:04:12,416 --> 01:04:13,542
Nobody gave him any lip.
1445
01:04:13,584 --> 01:04:15,552
He's very proud of the fact
that he was a Filipino
1446
01:04:15,586 --> 01:04:18,885
and he had this opportunity to
make a little noise for the country
1447
01:04:18,923 --> 01:04:20,550
as far as his films were concerned.
1448
01:04:20,591 --> 01:04:23,389
He was a salesman
as well as a film producer
1449
01:04:23,427 --> 01:04:25,088
so as he's making his movies
1450
01:04:25,129 --> 01:04:27,256
he's thinking what is
commercial and what will sell,
1451
01:04:27,298 --> 01:04:30,233
what is needed
in the western world.
1452
01:04:30,267 --> 01:04:32,167
The plots always
got very confusing.
1453
01:04:32,203 --> 01:04:32,862
What's going on?
1454
01:04:32,903 --> 01:04:34,871
I never really knew
who the bad guys were.
1455
01:04:34,905 --> 01:04:35,837
Who?
1456
01:04:35,873 --> 01:04:36,339
Where?
1457
01:04:36,373 --> 01:04:38,185
I didn't really understand
what they were doing,
1458
01:04:38,209 --> 01:04:40,040
but they were bad so I killed 'em.
1459
01:04:44,048 --> 01:04:46,243
I figured no one's
ever gonna see this.
1460
01:04:46,283 --> 01:04:47,910
Money was always scarce.
1461
01:04:47,952 --> 01:04:49,476
They had car chases...
1462
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,249
and because they ended up
wrecking the cars
1463
01:04:51,288 --> 01:04:52,766
they didn't want to get
a really good car.
1464
01:04:52,790 --> 01:04:55,088
And they'd do flat out
35 miles an hour.
1465
01:04:55,125 --> 01:04:59,425
I remember doing one car chase
and traffic's passing us by.
1466
01:04:59,463 --> 01:05:01,363
We were supposed to
be speeding along.
1467
01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:04,299
The breakthrough movie for
Bobby Suarez was Cleopatra Wong.
1468
01:05:05,870 --> 01:05:07,963
She's a fighter.
She's a mean machine.
1469
01:05:11,041 --> 01:05:14,374
It's about a syndicate
that took over a nunnery.
1470
01:05:14,411 --> 01:05:16,606
They actually capture the nuns.
1471
01:05:16,647 --> 01:05:19,582
Don't tell me that nuns in this
country sport automatic rifles
1472
01:05:19,617 --> 01:05:21,608
underneath their
monastic uniforms.
1473
01:05:21,652 --> 01:05:24,212
Like all exploitation movies,
it's got these scenes in it
1474
01:05:24,255 --> 01:05:25,779
that stick in your brain.
1475
01:05:28,893 --> 01:05:32,158
The finale, where the convent
was blown up,
1476
01:05:32,196 --> 01:05:35,461
there were so many guys
dressed up as nuns
1477
01:05:35,499 --> 01:05:37,057
and they never seemed to die,
you know?
1478
01:05:37,101 --> 01:05:40,366
They keep on coming,
and those scenes were all in slo-mo.
1479
01:05:40,404 --> 01:05:43,498
And you kind of think, "Well if all
of the film was as powerful as that,
1480
01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:46,065
then it would be some kind
of a masterpiece."
1481
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:47,509
When Bobby was making it,
1482
01:05:47,544 --> 01:05:50,377
he didn't think that guys
dressed up as nuns were funny.
1483
01:05:50,414 --> 01:05:52,211
It was a very serious movie.
1484
01:05:54,084 --> 01:05:56,211
He was always trying
to build a franchise,
1485
01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,279
and he wanted to do a series
of films using the same characters.
1486
01:05:59,323 --> 01:06:01,223
That's why he made
Dynamite Johnson.
1487
01:06:01,258 --> 01:06:02,953
That's The Bionic Boy Part 2.
1488
01:06:02,993 --> 01:06:05,393
Still very similar
to Cleopatra Wong.
1489
01:06:05,429 --> 01:06:08,694
They have this group of
Nazi-obsessed people
1490
01:06:08,732 --> 01:06:10,996
that took over
a whole mining camp.
1491
01:06:11,035 --> 01:06:12,502
I was Doctor Hiss.
1492
01:06:12,536 --> 01:06:15,369
By this time Tuesday,
Hong Kong will be no more.
1493
01:06:15,406 --> 01:06:18,432
The scientist who had come up
with this plan to have a laser
1494
01:06:18,475 --> 01:06:20,306
that was going to blow
up anything he wanted.
1495
01:06:23,914 --> 01:06:27,577
The mine was guarded
at night by a metal dragon.
1496
01:06:38,262 --> 01:06:39,773
Well, I don't know if
it was made out of cardboard
1497
01:06:39,797 --> 01:06:41,708
but it was certainly made
out of something flimsy
1498
01:06:41,732 --> 01:06:43,290
that was about all we could afford.
1499
01:06:43,334 --> 01:06:45,359
You know, Bobby had run
out of money by that point.
1500
01:06:45,402 --> 01:06:48,303
That dragon has got
twin cannons for eyes,
1501
01:06:48,339 --> 01:06:50,671
it has got a machine gun at its tail,
1502
01:06:50,708 --> 01:06:53,575
and when the mouth opened,
it breathes fire.
1503
01:06:53,610 --> 01:06:56,078
The person who was inside
working the flamethrower,
1504
01:06:56,113 --> 01:06:57,637
the thing backfired
and he got burned
1505
01:06:57,681 --> 01:07:00,206
and everyone was
running out of the dragon.
1506
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:01,615
It was hilarious.
1507
01:07:01,652 --> 01:07:03,745
He would kind of make
whatever he thought
1508
01:07:03,787 --> 01:07:05,948
he could get someone
to put up the money for.
1509
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:10,586
All Bobby needed was a film title,
a good-sounding film title.
1510
01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:12,390
He wrote something down.
He said,
1511
01:07:12,429 --> 01:07:15,023
"This will be my next film."
1512
01:07:15,065 --> 01:07:17,329
And I looked at it and it said,
1513
01:07:17,368 --> 01:07:21,828
The One-Armed Executioner.
1514
01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,669
I said, "Okay."
1515
01:07:23,707 --> 01:07:24,401
I said, "What's it about?"
1516
01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:26,568
He said, "Doesn't matter.
It's the title.
1517
01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:28,043
That's what gets 'em in."
1518
01:07:28,078 --> 01:07:31,536
Haunted by the memory
of a love that refuses to die,
1519
01:07:31,582 --> 01:07:34,073
he ruthlessly seeks revenge!
1520
01:08:02,913 --> 01:08:05,108
I'm going to kill
every last one of them.
1521
01:08:08,052 --> 01:08:09,610
So help me God.
1522
01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:20,060
Bobby Suarez was kind of
dragged out of retirement
1523
01:08:20,097 --> 01:08:22,622
by suddenly realizing
or hearing that
1524
01:08:22,666 --> 01:08:25,829
Quentin Tarantino was
a big fan of some of his movies.
1525
01:08:25,869 --> 01:08:27,700
He started to dust off
some old scripts
1526
01:08:27,738 --> 01:08:29,433
and send 'em 'round
to all and sundry,
1527
01:08:29,473 --> 01:08:31,771
and they were
pretty much remakes of
1528
01:08:31,809 --> 01:08:34,243
Cleopatra Wong and Bionic Boy.
1529
01:08:34,278 --> 01:08:35,973
Bobby was like P.T. Barnum.
1530
01:08:36,013 --> 01:08:38,982
Everything was larger than life
as far as his films were concerned,
1531
01:08:39,016 --> 01:08:40,506
and, I mean, they were
what they were.
1532
01:08:40,551 --> 01:08:42,781
They were okay for what they were,
1533
01:08:42,820 --> 01:08:44,754
but, I mean, they weren't
exactly blockbusters,
1534
01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:47,655
even though in his mind
they might have been.
1535
01:08:47,691 --> 01:08:50,387
I don't think he realized
that time had moved on
1536
01:08:50,427 --> 01:08:54,454
and these movies were being looked
at with a kind of nostalgic glow.
1537
01:08:54,498 --> 01:08:55,942
God bless him
for his vision, you know?
1538
01:08:55,966 --> 01:08:58,434
He wanted to do something better
than what was being done
1539
01:08:58,469 --> 01:09:01,768
and he gave it a shot
and to a great extent he did.
1540
01:09:09,146 --> 01:09:11,307
Here come The Losers!
1541
01:09:11,348 --> 01:09:14,317
Killers by instinct,
mercenaries by profession!
1542
01:09:16,353 --> 01:09:19,948
The Losers was about
five Hells Angels in Cambodia
1543
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:23,426
rescuing a CIA agent,
taking on the whole Chinese army.
1544
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:29,460
The plan was to blow
a big hole in the fence.
1545
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:31,127
We got there too fast
1546
01:09:31,168 --> 01:09:32,931
and I would have been blown up.
1547
01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:34,835
It's too late to stop.
1548
01:09:34,872 --> 01:09:36,396
Oh my God!
1549
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,965
I headed the front wheel
to hit this post,
1550
01:09:39,009 --> 01:09:41,637
and I hit it dead on.
1551
01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:44,408
The bike was in the air
and it landed on top of me.
1552
01:09:44,448 --> 01:09:46,916
Safety issues were pretty crazy.
1553
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:49,214
Health and safety takes money.
1554
01:09:49,253 --> 01:09:50,914
I sustained a lot of injuries.
1555
01:09:50,954 --> 01:09:53,980
They made me hang from
a helicopter 100 feet up
1556
01:09:54,024 --> 01:09:55,491
without any safety nets.
1557
01:09:55,526 --> 01:09:58,689
I almost fell
during the second take.
1558
01:09:58,729 --> 01:10:02,324
Bobby said, "Do you mind rolling
out of the car at 35 miles an hour?"
1559
01:10:02,366 --> 01:10:04,834
I said, "Yeah!
Yeah, I mind doing that."
1560
01:10:04,868 --> 01:10:07,530
The fights,
it was no-holds-barred.
1561
01:10:07,571 --> 01:10:08,629
Bobby calls me over.
1562
01:10:08,672 --> 01:10:11,436
He goes, "Chris, it doesn't
look like you're hitting them."
1563
01:10:11,475 --> 01:10:13,272
I said, "You mean
really hitting them?"
1564
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:14,310
He said, "Yes."
1565
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:16,776
I said, "Well, I'm not."
1566
01:10:18,248 --> 01:10:20,148
"That's what they're paid for.
Hit them!"
1567
01:10:21,818 --> 01:10:22,842
Kick them!"
1568
01:10:25,155 --> 01:10:28,249
One of the hoodlums
really punched me here.
1569
01:10:28,292 --> 01:10:29,919
My appendix burst out.
1570
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,087
Stunt guys there are nuts.
1571
01:10:33,363 --> 01:10:36,423
They'd drive off cliffs,
they'd jump off the cliff themselves.
1572
01:10:36,466 --> 01:10:38,559
They would just cross
themselves and jump.
1573
01:10:38,602 --> 01:10:41,264
The people they would get
to do the stunts
1574
01:10:41,305 --> 01:10:43,136
they would regard as "Breakables."
1575
01:10:43,173 --> 01:10:44,037
I said, "I tell you what.
1576
01:10:44,074 --> 01:10:47,840
Bring me about 20 cardboard boxes
and two twin bed mattresses."
1577
01:10:47,878 --> 01:10:50,176
So they did and
I set up a little fall pad.
1578
01:10:50,214 --> 01:10:52,341
It was like, "Oh my God,
1579
01:10:52,382 --> 01:10:55,613
we can drop an actor out of a three
story window and not kill him!
1580
01:10:55,652 --> 01:10:56,550
This is great!"
1581
01:10:56,587 --> 01:10:58,817
Here we have fire suits
that protect them
1582
01:10:58,855 --> 01:11:01,517
and there they just put some
fuel on a guy and lit him up
1583
01:11:01,558 --> 01:11:03,617
and when he got hot
he jumped in the water.
1584
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:06,652
If somebody got injured
to the point where they just
1585
01:11:06,697 --> 01:11:10,155
couldn't work anymore they'd just
stuff a five peso note in his pocket
1586
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,168
and send him home.
1587
01:11:12,202 --> 01:11:14,242
There were a couple of times
in the films with Bobby
1588
01:11:14,271 --> 01:11:15,932
where I'd throw a guy
through a window.
1589
01:11:15,973 --> 01:11:17,600
It was a glass window.
1590
01:11:17,641 --> 01:11:19,438
They didn't know
what candy glass was.
1591
01:11:19,476 --> 01:11:21,154
They saw an American go
through a window, they thought,
1592
01:11:21,178 --> 01:11:22,736
"Well, hell we can do that!"
1593
01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:23,837
There was this tower.
1594
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,814
It was supposed to be
hit by a truck.
1595
01:11:25,849 --> 01:11:29,046
The guard was supposed to
jump first but he panicked,
1596
01:11:29,086 --> 01:11:30,849
he hung on.
1597
01:11:30,887 --> 01:11:31,615
He was killed.
1598
01:11:31,655 --> 01:11:35,386
In a country where the rich rule
and the poor are shit,
1599
01:11:35,425 --> 01:11:37,791
you can get away
with that kind of thing.
1600
01:11:38,829 --> 01:11:42,390
They would take risks because
this is the big American movie.
1601
01:11:42,432 --> 01:11:45,663
You don't want to look back
and say, "Well, that was exploiting."
1602
01:11:46,637 --> 01:11:48,662
But they were paid their salary.
1603
01:11:48,705 --> 01:11:50,730
We employed many,
many Filipinos.
1604
01:11:50,774 --> 01:11:51,934
Hundreds and hundreds.
1605
01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:55,274
You could hire thousands of them
if you needed thousands of 'em,
1606
01:11:55,312 --> 01:11:58,179
and all they had to really do
was put on black pajamas
1607
01:11:58,215 --> 01:12:01,844
and charge up the hill with
their AK-47 bad-guy guns
1608
01:12:01,885 --> 01:12:03,819
and if they were close
to an explosion
1609
01:12:03,854 --> 01:12:05,822
they were supposed to
flop over and play dead.
1610
01:12:05,856 --> 01:12:07,517
So anybody can do that.
1611
01:12:07,557 --> 01:12:10,025
I mean, it didn't take
a rocket scientist.
1612
01:12:10,060 --> 01:12:12,551
Apocalypse Now, of course,
was without a doubt
1613
01:12:12,596 --> 01:12:14,928
the biggest production that
ever came into the Philippines.
1614
01:12:14,965 --> 01:12:17,627
My film is not about Vietnam.
1615
01:12:17,668 --> 01:12:18,726
It is Vietnam.
1616
01:12:18,769 --> 01:12:20,100
It's what it was really like.
1617
01:12:21,705 --> 01:12:25,607
Coppola was able to use
helicopters, tanks, whatever.
1618
01:12:28,612 --> 01:12:30,978
Marcos gave us just a blanket okay
1619
01:12:31,014 --> 01:12:33,881
and then it filtered down
to military men.
1620
01:12:33,917 --> 01:12:35,714
Marcos didn't make
any promises.
1621
01:12:35,752 --> 01:12:39,313
You know, he complained that
he couldn't get hold of any helicopters
1622
01:12:39,356 --> 01:12:41,551
because Coppola was
using all of them.
1623
01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:43,649
The Philippine commander
would say,
1624
01:12:43,694 --> 01:12:46,094
"Well, the helicopters
are sick today,
1625
01:12:46,129 --> 01:12:50,429
but if we had a certain amount of
money we could make them well."
1626
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:53,630
There was always these
Islamic rebels in the south.
1627
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:56,969
The military would use it
all for the time for an excuse.
1628
01:12:57,007 --> 01:13:00,272
The real war took precedent
over the fake war.
1629
01:13:00,310 --> 01:13:02,505
The Philippine government,
the fucking helicopters,
1630
01:13:02,546 --> 01:13:04,343
they take away
whenever they feel like
1631
01:13:04,381 --> 01:13:06,042
and they've done it
three times already.
1632
01:13:06,083 --> 01:13:09,484
It was a crazy shoot.
That's not news.
1633
01:13:09,519 --> 01:13:13,216
Every time things were smooth
and were running right,
1634
01:13:13,256 --> 01:13:16,623
all of a sudden something
disastrous would happen.
1635
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:18,423
Marty Sheen's heart attack,
1636
01:13:18,462 --> 01:13:21,989
Marlon Brando arriving
100 pounds more than we expected.
1637
01:13:22,032 --> 01:13:23,192
The typhoon.
1638
01:13:23,233 --> 01:13:25,963
The roofs of major houses
were corrugated metal
1639
01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:27,697
and those sheets would fly off
1640
01:13:27,738 --> 01:13:30,969
and it was like a guillotine
that could decapitate you.
1641
01:13:31,007 --> 01:13:34,135
When it cleared, it was
just this kind of war zone.
1642
01:13:34,177 --> 01:13:36,907
As they say, "Shit happens."
1643
01:13:36,947 --> 01:13:39,313
I think Francis was absolutely
brilliant on that movie.
1644
01:13:39,349 --> 01:13:42,079
It's amazing what he got
under those circumstances.
1645
01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:44,110
He expected to get
everything he needed
1646
01:13:44,154 --> 01:13:47,089
and sometimes very often,
he expected too much.
1647
01:13:47,124 --> 01:13:49,854
It was...
1648
01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:51,690
a little bit insane
towards the end.
1649
01:13:56,566 --> 01:13:57,877
There's a scene where
they come in
1650
01:13:57,901 --> 01:13:59,994
and there's all these bodies
hanging from the trees,
1651
01:14:00,036 --> 01:14:01,469
and they were using real bodies.
1652
01:14:01,505 --> 01:14:03,735
Somebody said they were
in the refrigerator
1653
01:14:03,774 --> 01:14:06,937
in in the art department
next to the beer.
1654
01:14:06,977 --> 01:14:08,638
My lips are sealed.
1655
01:14:08,678 --> 01:14:11,340
My buddy told me,
"Come check this shit out."
1656
01:14:12,382 --> 01:14:14,077
But I never...
I never saw that.
1657
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,913
You're in the asshole
of the world, Captain!
1658
01:14:18,955 --> 01:14:20,533
You're just thinking,
"Can we get through this?
1659
01:14:20,557 --> 01:14:22,702
Can we get through this day?
Can we get through this week?
1660
01:14:22,726 --> 01:14:24,353
When will we ever
get out of here?"
1661
01:14:24,394 --> 01:14:25,827
There was no calendar
1662
01:14:25,862 --> 01:14:29,457
so you never felt you were
progressing or achieving.
1663
01:14:29,499 --> 01:14:32,559
We would refer to it as
"Apocalypse Never."
1664
01:14:32,602 --> 01:14:35,833
The good thing, a wonderful
great movie came out of it.
1665
01:14:35,872 --> 01:14:37,271
It defied fate.
1666
01:14:37,307 --> 01:14:38,740
It should have failed, right?
1667
01:14:38,775 --> 01:14:42,267
To relive it, I can't put it
on here and watch it.
1668
01:14:42,312 --> 01:14:43,677
You couldn't pay me.
1669
01:14:43,713 --> 01:14:48,241
It was Francis Ford Coppola's
big fantasy is what it was.
1670
01:14:48,285 --> 01:14:49,718
You had Playgirl bunnies
1671
01:14:49,753 --> 01:14:51,687
and people falling out
of helicopters
1672
01:14:51,721 --> 01:14:54,485
and guys smoking dope
and taking drugs.
1673
01:14:54,524 --> 01:14:57,322
It was a joke, and I don't know
one Vietnam veteran
1674
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,523
that really could watch
that movie and enjoy it.
1675
01:15:00,564 --> 01:15:02,464
It just made us
look like simpletons.
1676
01:15:02,499 --> 01:15:05,161
Made us look like a
bunch of total idiots.
1677
01:15:05,202 --> 01:15:07,864
That was nothing like Vietnam.
1678
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,535
They were opulent.
They overspent.
1679
01:15:11,575 --> 01:15:14,203
They spoiled people for a while
and then they went away
1680
01:15:14,244 --> 01:15:17,111
and everything eventually
got back to normal again.
1681
01:15:17,247 --> 01:15:20,512
Marcos and Imelda saw
that it might create
1682
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:23,644
a feeling around the world
of serenity and security
1683
01:15:23,687 --> 01:15:26,986
and kind of make it a
little more enticing for tourism.
1684
01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:30,322
Imelda Marcos was in love
with actors and movies
1685
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,022
and really wanted to promote
that side of her country.
1686
01:15:33,063 --> 01:15:36,032
I said to him,
"What is my role as First lady?"
1687
01:15:36,066 --> 01:15:39,729
And he said, "As President,
I'll be the father of the country.
1688
01:15:39,769 --> 01:15:42,033
I'll establish a strong house.
1689
01:15:42,072 --> 01:15:43,835
And you make it a home."
1690
01:15:43,874 --> 01:15:47,503
So I said, "I'll build the cultural
centre of the Philippines
1691
01:15:47,544 --> 01:15:50,445
to be the centre
of the Filipino soul
1692
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:52,914
and the monument
to Filipino spirit."
1693
01:15:52,949 --> 01:15:56,510
She did a great deal to expand
the potential of Filipino films.
1694
01:15:56,553 --> 01:15:58,350
She was the one who started the
1695
01:15:58,388 --> 01:16:00,288
Manila International Film Festival.
1696
01:16:00,323 --> 01:16:03,053
The dream was supposed to
have the Cannes of the Orient,
1697
01:16:03,093 --> 01:16:05,027
you know?
The Cannes of Asia here.
1698
01:16:05,061 --> 01:16:07,586
And so they built the
modern day Parthenon.
1699
01:16:07,631 --> 01:16:09,496
In a rush to finish building,
1700
01:16:09,533 --> 01:16:12,263
a whole floor collapsed
on workers.
1701
01:16:12,302 --> 01:16:13,735
And the story is that Imelda said,
1702
01:16:13,770 --> 01:16:15,815
"Well, look, you know, we
haven't got time to dig 'em out
1703
01:16:15,839 --> 01:16:17,898
and restart again so
let the concrete dry
1704
01:16:17,941 --> 01:16:20,535
and just slice the limbs off
and then cover over it."
1705
01:16:20,577 --> 01:16:24,604
In that pantheon
of the cinematic arts,
1706
01:16:24,648 --> 01:16:26,878
it's also a burying ground.
1707
01:16:26,917 --> 01:16:28,680
Which is a big lie.
1708
01:16:28,718 --> 01:16:32,620
We got every piece of debris
and we did not stop
1709
01:16:32,656 --> 01:16:35,318
until we got each
and every one of them,
1710
01:16:35,358 --> 01:16:38,816
and each and everyone's
family was compensated.
1711
01:16:38,862 --> 01:16:39,954
When it was finished,
1712
01:16:39,996 --> 01:16:43,227
her dream of putting up
the festival became a reality.
1713
01:16:43,266 --> 01:16:44,927
All the big producers
were there.
1714
01:16:44,968 --> 01:16:47,630
The thing that most of them
seemed to be interested in
1715
01:16:47,671 --> 01:16:49,571
was this character called
Weng-Weng.
1716
01:16:49,606 --> 01:16:52,803
Brace yourselves for the
acclaimed international star
1717
01:16:52,842 --> 01:16:55,709
of the Hollywood Cannes
and Manila Film Festivals,
1718
01:16:55,745 --> 01:16:56,745
Weng-Weng!
1719
01:16:56,780 --> 01:16:57,747
Who the hell are you?
1720
01:16:57,781 --> 01:16:58,781
Check it out.
1721
01:16:59,916 --> 01:17:02,350
He was a midget,
but he's proportioned.
1722
01:17:02,385 --> 01:17:04,546
And he turned out to be
this three and a half foot
1723
01:17:04,588 --> 01:17:05,816
secret agent guy.
1724
01:17:11,361 --> 01:17:13,591
They used him as a
decoy during raids.
1725
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:16,463
He could infiltrate a small opening,
1726
01:17:16,499 --> 01:17:19,332
they'd shove him in,
open the doors, you know?
1727
01:17:19,369 --> 01:17:21,633
He made a whole series of films,
as we discover now.
1728
01:17:21,671 --> 01:17:23,605
This is Agent 00,
1729
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,007
and he will stop at nothing
to get his man in.
1730
01:17:27,043 --> 01:17:30,035
For Y'ur Height Only!
1731
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,106
Lo and behold,
to everyone's surprise,
1732
01:17:33,149 --> 01:17:35,743
this film became the
darling of the market.
1733
01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:37,343
You're such a little guy, though.
1734
01:17:37,387 --> 01:17:38,877
Very petite, like a potato.
1735
01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:40,048
Yeah, let's go.
1736
01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:42,854
I can see why it may have been
considered a bit embarrassing.
1737
01:17:44,628 --> 01:17:47,062
All of the things that you get
in James Bond movies,
1738
01:17:47,097 --> 01:17:49,327
you know, the karate scenes,
the flying jet packs,
1739
01:17:49,366 --> 01:17:51,926
the daring escapes,
and the getting the girl,
1740
01:17:51,968 --> 01:17:53,367
are all in the
Weng-Weng movies.
1741
01:17:57,841 --> 01:18:00,139
He could parachute
using an umbrella.
1742
01:18:06,616 --> 01:18:09,016
One of the people behind
the promotion of Weng-Weng
1743
01:18:09,052 --> 01:18:10,349
was Dick Randall,
1744
01:18:10,387 --> 01:18:13,481
and one of his specialities
was dubbing of movies.
1745
01:18:13,523 --> 01:18:16,083
But he had a very peculiar
sense of humor, did Dick,
1746
01:18:16,126 --> 01:18:19,618
so when he got the chance to dub
this Weng-Weng movie into English
1747
01:18:19,663 --> 01:18:20,925
he really went to town.
1748
01:18:20,964 --> 01:18:25,162
You know sex is like tequila.
1749
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:27,101
Take one sip and you're a goner.
1750
01:18:27,137 --> 01:18:28,195
Shall we get it on?
1751
01:18:28,238 --> 01:18:30,035
Yes, darling, bare your bod.
1752
01:18:30,073 --> 01:18:31,802
My husband just
adored Weng-Weng.
1753
01:18:31,841 --> 01:18:35,709
He would sit on his lap,
and Dick'd get all excited.
1754
01:18:35,745 --> 01:18:38,179
"Oh, oh,
Weng-Weng's wonderful.
1755
01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:39,442
We have to..."
1756
01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:48,213
You know, you're
making me fall for you.
1757
01:18:48,258 --> 01:18:50,590
He had his own style.
1758
01:18:50,627 --> 01:18:51,719
He could be funny.
1759
01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:54,452
If you find that
sort of thing funny,
1760
01:18:54,497 --> 01:18:56,294
you know, you will be able
to watch that film
1761
01:18:56,332 --> 01:18:58,425
with pleasure
for the rest of your life.
1762
01:18:58,468 --> 01:19:01,198
If you don't get it,
you're gonna just not get it at all.
1763
01:19:02,372 --> 01:19:04,033
Oh, my little head.
1764
01:19:04,074 --> 01:19:05,166
I didn't understand it.
1765
01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:07,733
I'd look at it and say,
"Oh my God."
1766
01:19:09,813 --> 01:19:14,375
He was really a parody
and we are all just laughing at it,
1767
01:19:14,417 --> 01:19:17,875
not laughing for ourselves
but laughing for America.
1768
01:19:17,921 --> 01:19:20,412
But I think it's revenge
of third world filmmakers
1769
01:19:20,457 --> 01:19:22,982
to be able to take these kinds of
popular genres from Hollywood
1770
01:19:23,026 --> 01:19:26,587
and slightly subvert them and
then send them back out again
1771
01:19:26,629 --> 01:19:28,324
and just say,
"Well, look what we've done,
1772
01:19:28,364 --> 01:19:30,025
and a big raspberry to you."
1773
01:19:30,066 --> 01:19:32,057
Hey, take this!
1774
01:19:32,102 --> 01:19:33,501
We shrunk the goon.
1775
01:19:33,536 --> 01:19:34,969
It makes perfect sense.
1776
01:19:35,004 --> 01:19:37,529
This is exactly
what Filipinos do.
1777
01:19:37,574 --> 01:19:41,533
We transform our pain
into ridicule.
1778
01:19:41,578 --> 01:19:42,738
Did Hollywood use us,
1779
01:19:42,779 --> 01:19:46,112
or did we really make a
breakthrough in Hollywood,
1780
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:47,707
at the margins as it may be,
1781
01:19:47,751 --> 01:19:50,379
and use this for our own
cultural agenda?
1782
01:19:50,420 --> 01:19:53,514
Why the rest of the world got it,
I will never know.
1783
01:20:12,509 --> 01:20:16,605
The audience was changing
a little bit in the late 1970s.
1784
01:20:16,646 --> 01:20:17,476
People started thinking,
1785
01:20:17,514 --> 01:20:19,058
"You know, I'm paying
the same amount of money
1786
01:20:19,082 --> 01:20:20,674
for this as I am
to see Star Wars
1787
01:20:20,717 --> 01:20:22,150
and this isn't nearly as good."
1788
01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:24,380
What Spielberg and Lucas did,
1789
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:27,480
their big influence was
to take exploitation films
1790
01:20:27,524 --> 01:20:29,458
which had always been B-budget
1791
01:20:29,492 --> 01:20:32,689
and now make them
A-budget pictures.
1792
01:20:32,729 --> 01:20:35,254
The biggest of that type
of film was Jaws,
1793
01:20:35,298 --> 01:20:37,562
and when it came out
Vincent Can by,
1794
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,398
the main critic for
The New York Times said,
1795
01:20:40,436 --> 01:20:43,337
"What is Jaws but a
big Roger Corman film?"
1796
01:20:43,373 --> 01:20:47,139
What he didn't say was,
It was not only bigger than mine,
1797
01:20:47,177 --> 01:20:48,906
it was better than mine.
1798
01:20:48,945 --> 01:20:51,413
And when I saw Jaws,
I thought,
1799
01:20:51,447 --> 01:20:55,440
"I'm in trouble and my
compatriots are in trouble."
1800
01:20:55,485 --> 01:20:59,512
I made Piranha for Roger
and it was an unexpected hit,
1801
01:20:59,556 --> 01:21:02,320
and of course I was asked
back to do another film.
1802
01:21:02,358 --> 01:21:05,384
I was asked to do a picture
called Humanoids From The Deep,
1803
01:21:05,428 --> 01:21:08,261
which was another
American version of Piranha.
1804
01:21:08,298 --> 01:21:10,163
Humanoids From The Deep.
1805
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,532
Later on, he did a picture called
Up From The Depths,
1806
01:21:12,569 --> 01:21:15,197
which was the Filipino
rip-off version.
1807
01:21:15,238 --> 01:21:19,174
Beneath these waves lies
a horror beyond imagining,
1808
01:21:19,209 --> 01:21:21,234
hungry for human flesh,
1809
01:21:21,277 --> 01:21:24,041
and it's coming
Up From The Depths!
1810
01:21:41,664 --> 01:21:44,394
I sent Chuck Griffiths,
who was a good writer-director
1811
01:21:44,434 --> 01:21:47,096
and had done many films for us,
to the Philippines.
1812
01:21:47,136 --> 01:21:49,468
Chuck was dealing
very often with the dreck
1813
01:21:49,505 --> 01:21:52,030
and so he was sent off
to do Up From The Depths
1814
01:21:52,075 --> 01:21:54,509
and the only way he felt
that he could do justice to it
1815
01:21:54,544 --> 01:21:55,374
was to make fun of it.
1816
01:21:55,411 --> 01:21:57,003
I'll kill it!
1817
01:21:57,046 --> 01:21:57,808
I'll kill it!
I'll kill it!
1818
01:21:57,847 --> 01:21:59,371
No, you fool!
1819
01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:01,383
There are people out there!
1820
01:22:01,417 --> 01:22:02,042
Ow, my foot!
1821
01:22:02,085 --> 01:22:04,747
And the producer,
being Cirio Santiago,
1822
01:22:04,787 --> 01:22:08,314
wanted to make it a scary,
more serious film.
1823
01:22:08,358 --> 01:22:09,689
The sun's in my eyes.
1824
01:22:09,726 --> 01:22:13,389
So then it becomes somewhat
of a dilemma because
1825
01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:16,262
you have kind of two films
going on simultaneously,
1826
01:22:16,299 --> 01:22:18,164
and, you know,
what is it, you know?
1827
01:22:20,036 --> 01:22:21,480
Roger didn't mind you
making fun of the movie,
1828
01:22:21,504 --> 01:22:24,701
but he really didn't like it
if the movie wasn't as advertised.
1829
01:22:24,741 --> 01:22:27,904
A living tidal wave
of terror is rising,
1830
01:22:27,944 --> 01:22:31,903
clawing, eating its way
Up From The Depths!
1831
01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:35,349
The creature they built
was a little bit crude.
1832
01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:40,082
It wasn't as good as
it should have been.
1833
01:22:41,858 --> 01:22:44,224
Chris Walas made
an underwater monster
1834
01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:46,228
that was supposed to be
propelled by a diver
1835
01:22:46,262 --> 01:22:47,339
who was holding it
in front of him.
1836
01:22:47,363 --> 01:22:49,388
But the front half was so heavy
1837
01:22:49,432 --> 01:22:50,922
that when you would
start to shoot it,
1838
01:22:50,967 --> 01:22:53,299
it would just dip down like this.
1839
01:23:02,712 --> 01:23:03,712
We got it!
1840
01:23:07,583 --> 01:23:08,583
Jimmy!
1841
01:23:08,618 --> 01:23:12,884
Anything that mimicked
a large budget film like Jaws,
1842
01:23:12,922 --> 01:23:14,822
if Roger's version
were to come out
1843
01:23:14,857 --> 01:23:16,950
it would be panned
automatically.
1844
01:23:16,993 --> 01:23:18,426
The critics were a big problem
1845
01:23:18,461 --> 01:23:21,225
and I think critics
change audiences.
1846
01:23:21,264 --> 01:23:23,789
I felt maybe we had made
too many films
1847
01:23:23,833 --> 01:23:26,961
in too short a period of time
in the Philippines,
1848
01:23:27,003 --> 01:23:29,972
so we concentrated on
coming back home
1849
01:23:30,006 --> 01:23:31,667
and shooting in America.
1850
01:23:31,708 --> 01:23:34,233
Fewer and fewer marketplaces
were available to him.
1851
01:23:34,277 --> 01:23:36,677
The drive-ins were
starting to close.
1852
01:23:36,713 --> 01:23:38,738
The grind houses are
starting to disappear.
1853
01:23:38,781 --> 01:23:41,875
The big budget films
were starting to dominate,
1854
01:23:41,918 --> 01:23:44,079
so we had to adjust to that.
1855
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,817
And Roger still continued
making pictures into the 80s
1856
01:23:47,857 --> 01:23:52,226
but the places to play them
became limited
1857
01:23:52,261 --> 01:23:55,628
and they started to go
directly to VHS.
1858
01:23:55,665 --> 01:23:57,462
But that's life.
1859
01:23:57,500 --> 01:24:01,698
I think we lost that because
it's nice to have your film
1860
01:24:01,738 --> 01:24:04,400
shown in a theatre,
enjoyed by people.
1861
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:07,102
Sometimes it would be difficult
to promote the Philippines
1862
01:24:07,143 --> 01:24:10,579
as a safe filmmaking site
because of the security problems.
1863
01:24:10,613 --> 01:24:13,207
In the south you have
the Muslim militants,
1864
01:24:13,249 --> 01:24:14,682
who are in constant uprising
1865
01:24:14,717 --> 01:24:15,894
and they're always
shooting people
1866
01:24:15,918 --> 01:24:18,409
and kidnapping people
and blowing things up.
1867
01:24:18,454 --> 01:24:20,854
Banditry was not a problem
when I was shooting there
1868
01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:23,358
but a little later on
when things deteriorated,
1869
01:24:23,393 --> 01:24:24,803
it was dangerous to
go out on the road.
1870
01:24:24,827 --> 01:24:28,422
People in the Congo area they
could kill for a bottle of beer.
1871
01:24:28,464 --> 01:24:31,456
I put my kids in a little
Montessori school
1872
01:24:31,501 --> 01:24:33,526
and there were guys
with sub-machine guns
1873
01:24:33,569 --> 01:24:36,231
guarding every entrance
to prevent kidnapping.
1874
01:24:36,272 --> 01:24:39,298
The political climate,
I think, just went a little crazy.
1875
01:24:39,342 --> 01:24:41,674
Filmmakers just finally
got to the point where
1876
01:24:41,711 --> 01:24:43,178
they were afraid to go over
1877
01:24:43,212 --> 01:24:47,148
and even if they weren't afraid to
go over and shoot their movie there,
1878
01:24:47,183 --> 01:24:49,378
the insurance companies
wouldn't bond us.
1879
01:24:49,419 --> 01:24:53,253
That was basically the start
of the end of filmmaking
1880
01:24:53,289 --> 01:24:54,551
in the Philippine islands.
1881
01:24:54,590 --> 01:24:57,184
That is a time in filmmaking that
1882
01:24:57,226 --> 01:24:59,524
will probably never
happen again, ever.
1883
01:24:59,562 --> 01:25:01,621
I'm not saying that time
was better than this time,
1884
01:25:01,664 --> 01:25:02,790
although it may have been.
1885
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:39,900
I look back at it now
1886
01:25:39,936 --> 01:25:42,803
and really do think of it
sort of as the good old days
1887
01:25:42,839 --> 01:25:44,329
because we were having fun.
1888
01:25:44,373 --> 01:25:46,102
It felt raw over there.
1889
01:25:46,142 --> 01:25:48,702
That's what I liked
a lot about it.
1890
01:25:48,744 --> 01:25:51,907
It wasn't anything
that was polished,
1891
01:25:51,948 --> 01:25:55,850
made to appear to be
anything more than what it was.
1892
01:25:55,885 --> 01:25:57,477
It was an amazing time.
1893
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,114
Exciting, fun, creative.
1894
01:26:00,156 --> 01:26:02,454
We did have an audience
for these movies,
1895
01:26:02,492 --> 01:26:04,357
which helped the studios go,
1896
01:26:04,393 --> 01:26:08,921
"Aha! I think I'll have
another female action lead."
1897
01:26:08,965 --> 01:26:10,489
Which is good.
1898
01:26:10,533 --> 01:26:11,227
Very good.
1899
01:26:11,267 --> 01:26:15,363
They're silly
and in a way primitive
1900
01:26:15,404 --> 01:26:19,670
but also very engaging
and visceral.
1901
01:26:19,709 --> 01:26:22,644
I think the salaciousness
of them and the sexiness
1902
01:26:22,678 --> 01:26:25,613
is so trivial by today's standards
1903
01:26:25,648 --> 01:26:28,048
that you can really look at
these films and you can say,
1904
01:26:28,084 --> 01:26:29,574
"Gee, these are really fun."
1905
01:26:29,619 --> 01:26:31,917
They all did well
and they excited us
1906
01:26:31,954 --> 01:26:34,787
and they were the ultimate
guilty pleasures.
1907
01:26:34,824 --> 01:26:36,869
You know, you can look back
on these things and think,
1908
01:26:36,893 --> 01:26:39,623
oh, it was sleazy or
it was this or it was that,
1909
01:26:39,662 --> 01:26:42,688
but it really wasn't.
It was really revolutionary.
1910
01:26:42,732 --> 01:26:45,826
To have one of those great
B-movies in the Philippines
1911
01:26:45,868 --> 01:26:47,927
under your belt,
that's not so bad.
1912
01:26:47,970 --> 01:26:51,906
To me, it's always an exciting
time to be making films.
1913
01:26:51,941 --> 01:26:54,466
The first time Savage! Was shown
on Hollywood Boulevard,
1914
01:26:54,510 --> 01:26:56,876
I was there for one hour
looking at the marquee.
1915
01:26:56,913 --> 01:27:00,246
The stories that
take place on a film set
1916
01:27:00,283 --> 01:27:02,513
are ten times better
than any of the movies,
1917
01:27:02,552 --> 01:27:03,484
any of the movies.
1918
01:27:03,519 --> 01:27:05,646
I've worked on too many films
where people are like,
1919
01:27:05,688 --> 01:27:07,883
"We're losing the light!
Jesus Christ!
1920
01:27:07,924 --> 01:27:09,016
Oh, shoot into the...
1921
01:27:09,058 --> 01:27:10,218
just shoot this!
1922
01:27:10,259 --> 01:27:12,193
Okay, and run over there,
blow that up,
1923
01:27:12,228 --> 01:27:14,458
action sequence,
okay, shit.
1924
01:27:14,497 --> 01:27:17,193
If this isn't coherent;
We'll put it in anyway."
1925
01:27:17,233 --> 01:27:19,030
And later people are going,
1926
01:27:19,068 --> 01:27:22,162
"The brilliant direction of"
somebody somebody, you know.
1927
01:27:22,205 --> 01:27:25,902
I've worked on too many
movies to buy into this stuff.
1928
01:27:25,942 --> 01:27:28,172
I don't know. Where do these
statements come from?
1929
01:27:28,211 --> 01:27:31,612
This is one of the weirdest
interviews I've ever had.
1930
01:27:31,647 --> 01:27:34,707
As you leave the theatre, folks,
please be careful.
1931
01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:38,481
Don't let this
happen to your car.
1932
01:27:38,521 --> 01:27:41,081
If you should accidentally
pull a speaker loose,
1933
01:27:41,123 --> 01:27:44,092
please turn it in to our
snack bar or box office.
1934
01:27:44,126 --> 01:27:45,126
Thanks.
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