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(indistinct chatter
in background)
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(drum stick taps)
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Donna Summer:
I know when to come in.
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Crew:
I'll count, I'll count.
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("Love to Love You Baby"
by Donna Summer playing)
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Crew:
One, two...
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One, two, three, four...
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Donna (singing):
# Ohhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Ahhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Ahhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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(gasping) # Ahhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Ahhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Ahhh-ahhh... #
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# Ahhh, ah... #
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# Ah, ah #
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# I #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# I #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# I #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Do it to me again
and again #
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# You put me in
such an awful spin #
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# In a spin, in... #
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# Ahhh #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# I #
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# Love to love you, baby #
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# Ahh, love to love you
baby #
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# Ahhhh #
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{\an8}("I Feel Love"
by Donna Summer playing)
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{\an8}(crowd cheering)
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# #
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# Oooh #
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# It's so good, it's so good
it's so good, it's so good #
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# It's so good #
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(sultry breathing)
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# Ooh #
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# Heaven knows, heaven knows,
heaven knows, heaven knows #
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# Heaven knows #
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(crowd cheering)
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Donna (singing):
# Oooh #
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# I feel love, I feel love
I feel love, I feel love #
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# I feel love #
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# I feel #
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# Love #
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# I feel love... #
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(music fades)
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Donna:
I have a secret life.
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You're looking at me, but
what you see is not what I am.
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How many roles do I play
in my own life?
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Who is she?
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(child exhales)
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(piano keys tinkle)
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(child babbling)
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(strikes chord)
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(sings)
# When I #
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(child singing along)
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# Believe #
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# In miracles that happen #
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You want to sing now?
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(babbles)
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You want me to do the camera?
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- Yeah.
- Okay, you sing.
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(telephone ringing)
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(child singing)
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(ringing continues)
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Ric Gaines (on phone):
Is this Brooklyn?
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Brooklyn:
(laughing) Yes.
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Ric:
Oh, Brooklyn!
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Mary Ellen Bernard (on phone):
How you doin' today?
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Brooklyn (on phone):
Hey, Auntie Mary.
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I'm calling because
I may need some help.
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I'm trying to figure out
the many pieces
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of who Mom really was.
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- (concert crowd chatter)
- (Donna speaking indistinctly)
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Brooklyn:
You know, she was complicated
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and struggled with her fame,
her... her image.
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And even love.
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(toys rattling)
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(pensive music playing)
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(projector clicking)
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Bruce Sudano:
What do you see?
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- Beaver.
- Bruce: Yeah!
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{\an8}Young Brooklyn:
Hi, Beaver!
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{\an8}Donna:
Boo-boo. How you doing?
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{\an8}Fine!
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{\an8}- Bruce: Is it working?
- Donna: Yeah.
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{\an8}Uh, Mommy, can I see too?
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{\an8}Donna: Not right now,
go out and play dance.
I gotta get ya.
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{\an8}- Bruce: What's your name?
- Brooklyn.
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I'm four!
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Bruce:
What's your name?
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- Amanda.
- Bruce: How old are you?
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- Two.
- Donna: And a half.
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- Bruce: When's your birthday?
- Five.
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(child laughs)
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- Bruce: And what's your name?
- Five!
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Mimi.
Donna: Move your arms, Mimi,
as much as you can.
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- I can't see.
- Donna: Well, squinch.
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- (Bruce laughs)
- Donna: Come on.
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{\an8}Mimi Dohler: Growing up,
I was in the studio
with Mom all night long.
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{\an8}We'd go to sleep on the couch
in the engineering room.
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It was sort of a roller coaster
ride for everyone.
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She was really famous,
and everyone wanted her.
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There was this element
of her always having
to be public.
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But Mommy was a very private
person in a lot of ways.
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{\an8}Amanda Sudano Ramirez:
With Mom, a lot of her life
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{\an8}revolved around
privacy and secrecy.
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We were never allowed
in her room.
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The door was always locked.
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We would find out things
by reading newspaper articles
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they had clipped out
and hidden in places.
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I actually remember
the first time that
we heard "Love to Love You."
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Didn't even know it existed.
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Brooklyn came in the room
and was like,
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"Have I got a song
for you to hear!"
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{\an8}Donna (singing):
# Ahh, whoo... #
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# Ahh, ohhh... #
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Whoo! Ahhh!
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(sultry breathing)
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Donna: When I wrote
"Love to Love You Baby,"
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I did not write it
to be a song.
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I wrote it as a concept
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for someone else
to write a lyric to.
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(sings)
# I love to love you baby #
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I just made up a voice
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and kind of tried
to create a vibe.
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{\an8}Brooklyn:
Amanda, remember when
we were like,
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{\an8}"Who is this woman?"
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I mean, I don't think
she had any idea
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that this vibe was gonna
completely change her life.
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# Ooh-ooh-ooh #
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(sultry sighing)
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# Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh, ah
Ooh-ooh... #
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Donna:
"Love to Love You Baby"
was becoming like
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this world symbol
of freedom, of liberation.
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Things would begin to happen.
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People would begin
to, like, rip their clothes off
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and throw them on the stage,
and bras, underwear...
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I didn't know it was going
to be, like, that racy.
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The audience would get
completely uncontrollable.
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And it, it...
it was kind of terrifying.
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It wasn't me and it was
something I was playing.
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It was a role.
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Everyone, uh, that knew me
would call me up and say,
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"That, that's not you, is it?"
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And I would say,
"Yeah, that's me."
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And they would just say,
"Nah, come on."
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Interviewer:
What's hot right now? Disco?
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{\an8}- Uh, disco is a phenomenon. Uh--
- Yeah.
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{\an8}It's, it's the hottest thing
that has hit the music business.
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{\an8}I mean, millions and millions
of records are selling,
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{\an8}and Donna is the biggest.
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Was it tough to get her
that first hit or does--
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or did one thing happen
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that... you, that you knew
that put her over the top?
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- Give me an example.
- Now-- Okay, Donna,
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Donna was a star in Europe.
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She was not doing
disco-oriented records.
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Um, she had a, an idea
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and she recorded
"Love to Love You Baby,"
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which was
a three-minute-and-20-second
record.
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Um, they brought it to me
after it had failed in Europe,
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and, uh, I listened to it
and I loved it.
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And I put it out here
and nothing happened.
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About a month later,
I was playing it at a party
I had at my house
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and, um, someone said,
"Hey, play that again!"
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I put it back on
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and the record finished
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and somebody said,
"Play that again."
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And I said,
"The record's too short.
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They keep asking for more."
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So I went upstairs
and I called Germany,
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where the record
was produced,
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and I said,
"Give me a 20-minute version."
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What we did is we came up
with a-a promotional idea.
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If we can get, um,
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some radio stations to
play it just at midnight
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and say, "Tune in
for 20 minutes of love."
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(song playing in background)
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{\an8}# Ahhh... #
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{\an8}Dara Bernard:
I was at the house
listening to it
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{\an8}and realized, "Wait a minute,
that's, that's Donna.
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{\an8}"That's my sister.
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"She said she was gonna
be famous, and she did it!
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She's on the radio!"
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(song continues in background)
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Radio DJ:
Unknown singer Donna Summer
recorded a song,
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"I Love to Love You Baby."
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It started a new phase
in the recording industry,
"sex rock."
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{\an8}Mary:
I actually believe that
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{\an8}it was pretty much
the gay community
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{\an8}that broke that record.
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I heard it the first time
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while I was listening
to underground radio.
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Like a college station
that played stuff
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that you could not play
in the daytime.
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I don't know, it was probably
about 12:30, one o'clock,
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and I hear this song come on.
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Reporter:
A controversial record
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has been making
radio executives nervous
all over the world.
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It was banned recently
by the BBC in England,
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and in spite of that,
it's sold over
one million albums.
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Mary:
Oh, my God, this is--
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I'm listening
to "Love to Love You,"
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and I'm like--
and it's going on and on
and on and on and on.
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And I'm like,
"Oh, my God." (gasps)
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"I think this is the record
that she said that wasn't
gonna sound like her."
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And Grandma said,
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"I'm never going to be able
to go to church again."
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{\an8}She knew that I was
going to be shocked, okay?
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{\an8}And to say the least,
I was shocked,
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because in my heart,
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I always wanted her to be
a gospel singer.
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{\an8}For Donna singing in church,
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{\an8}it would give you
a vibrating feeling that,
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{\an8}you know, you-- it give you
something that...
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well, to me, no other singer
that I heard in the church
gave me.
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(organ and percussion playing)
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Donna:
It started really with my dad.
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He used to get me and make me
come to the living room
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and he says, "Listen,
listen to this record and sing
just like this record."
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(rhythmic clapping)
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(singing)
# Elijah rock, shout, shout #
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# Elijah rock
comin' up, Lord #
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# Elijah rock, shout, shout #
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# Elijah rock
comin' up, Lord #
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Donna:
I listened to Mahalia Jackson
and, uh, said,
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"You know, she,
somehow she has what I want."
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I would just listen
and listen for hours.
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Mahalia Jackson (singing):
# Elijah #
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# Eliiiijah #
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Donna:
Our favorite way
to spend our time
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was putting on shows
on the front porch
or the back stoop.
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And when the neighbors
would hear you singing,
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they would stop
on their way home.
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# Hallelujah! Elijah rock
shout, shout, shout #
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# Elijah rock comin'... #
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{\an8}Ric:
Boston in the 1950s
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{\an8}was not a friendly city
to people of color.
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We were Black.
Anything could happen to you.
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Kids from the other part
of the project,
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the white part,
as we used to call it,
would beat on us
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and tell us we were not
welcome in their area.
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One day, one of the kids
chased us back to our part
of the projects
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and there was a wire strung
from one fence to another.
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I saw it.
I went under it.
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I turned and looked
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and Donna had hit it
with her chin.
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She had that little clip
on her chin
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and it never went away.
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# Keep tellin' everybody
that rock... #
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Donna:
I felt like I was
marred for life
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and there was never
going to be a way
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{\an8}that I would ever
be attractive,
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{\an8}feeling ugly,
feeling inadequate.
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{\an8}I was scarred.
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{\an8}Mahalia (singing):
# Elijah rock #
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# Oh, keep #
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# Comin' up, Lord #
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Donna:
When I was about
eight years old,
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one of the ladies
in my church got sick,
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and she was supposed to sing.
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The minister came to me
and he said,
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"Can you sing today?"
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I was petrified.
I mean, petrified.
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But I got up anyway,
and, um, I stood up to sing.
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And all of a sudden, this voice
came out that I didn't know.
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It just came out of me.
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And everyone in my family
will remember this
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because they all,
everybody was in tears.
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I was in tears.
My family was in tears.
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Everyone in the whole church
was in tears.
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And it was a striking feeling
of, "God, I'm blessed.
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I know I'm gonna be famous"
and... (snaps)
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("Once Upon a Time"
by Donna Summer playing)
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(crowd cheering)
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(singing) # Once upon a time
once upon a time #
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# Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh #
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# Once upon a time
once upon a time... #
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Brooklyn:
Auntie Mary, Mom was a dreamer.
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You know, she could shapeshift
in and out of characters.
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How did this show up
in her performances?
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{\an8}Mary:
Donna's shows were theatrical.
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{\an8}There was always a story.
There was a heroine.
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There was a problem.
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And in the end, she overcame.
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She thought in theater.
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Once upon a time
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in the land
of never, never
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there lived
a little girl
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who believed
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that all things
were possible...
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Mary:
I know a lot of people
won't think
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that she was a forerunner,
but she really was.
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She was thinking about things
outside of the box that
they wanted to keep her in.
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She wasn't having it.
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By her stepping out
in those areas,
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it did allow
other people of color
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to step out of the box
that they had her in.
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Donna:
And you better get me out!
I can't breathe, I need help!
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It seems like the whole
world's out there,
and I'm in here.
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Please, somebody help!
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- (cheering and applause)
- Johnny Carson: Yeah!
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(applause continues)
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Well done.
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I thought that, you know,
if you really were a star,
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- you had to be on
the "Johnny Carson Show."
- Johnny: Yeah.
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00:16:04,339 --> 00:16:06,091
So that was, it was always
my biggest dream.
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00:16:06,091 --> 00:16:07,718
I said, "I know I'm a star
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when I've done
the 'Johnny Carson Show'."
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What do you see
down the road, pictures?
319
00:16:10,887 --> 00:16:14,391
And they give you
the successful recordings now?
You like the...?
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Developing, you know?
321
00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:17,894
I'm, I'm studying to become
a director myself,
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00:16:17,894 --> 00:16:21,273
so, so I have my own little
video studio set up at home.
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Johnny:
Hey, that's super.
Somebody told me you had--
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Any actors out there?
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- Yeah.
- (laughter)
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(static buzzes)
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{\an8}(indistinct chatter)
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00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,114
{\an8}Donna:
You're not interviewing,
you're the husband.
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Alright, Mary,
push over just a hair.
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{\an8}Mary:
When you're on the road
for a long time
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{\an8}or you might have a day off
between another show,
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00:16:34,911 --> 00:16:37,289
{\an8}and you're stuck
in a hotel in Podunk, Iowa,
333
00:16:37,289 --> 00:16:39,624
{\an8}you find things to do.
334
00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:41,752
And God help us.
335
00:16:41,752 --> 00:16:47,758
Donna bought herself a camera,
a movie camera.
336
00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:53,138
And she was expecting us
to make movies.
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00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:54,848
Crew Member:
You can do it too!
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00:16:54,848 --> 00:16:57,476
(crew laughing)
339
00:16:57,476 --> 00:16:59,978
Donna:
Now you know what we
go through every single night.
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(disco music playing)
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00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:04,775
Mary:
She would direct us
and do this and do that.
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00:17:04,775 --> 00:17:06,943
And we all played the game.
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00:17:06,943 --> 00:17:11,114
Some of it was funny and
some of it got us in trouble.
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00:17:11,114 --> 00:17:13,200
Donna: You better
get away from my camera.
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00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,368
You want to leave for
California tomorrow, don't ya?
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00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,954
(screams, laughter)
347
00:17:17,954 --> 00:17:21,208
(crew laughing)
348
00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:24,920
Mary:
And so it was like,
"I'm never doing that again.
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I'm not doing it."
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She's like, "Come on,
come on, Mary, come on."
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And she was fun and-and, and,
and she was funny.
352
00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,434
# music stops #
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00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:40,977
(deep exhale)
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00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:43,355
Mary (Eastern European accent):
I get vibration.
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00:17:43,355 --> 00:17:46,399
No, you're going to go far way
one day, you watch, you see.
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00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:49,277
You're going to be very,
very famous, I am telling you.
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00:17:49,277 --> 00:17:52,113
But could you just tell me
about what's going to happen
next week?
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(in accent) Next week, you're
going to have to finish up
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something you started
this week.
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00:17:56,493 --> 00:17:58,620
- That's, but that's so general.
- (crew chuckles)
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00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:00,997
- That's two dollars.
- Like...
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00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:03,583
- Are you married?
- No.
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00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:05,544
You will be married.
364
00:18:05,544 --> 00:18:09,047
You going to take a journey!
365
00:18:09,047 --> 00:18:10,924
You want to know
where you gonna go?
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00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,551
No, I want to know
what's going on--
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00:18:12,551 --> 00:18:15,720
(laughing)
368
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,182
You're going to go
far away across the seas,
369
00:18:19,182 --> 00:18:20,642
in the air!
370
00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:23,603
(sultry blues music playing)
371
00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:27,691
# Whoo-ooh-ooh #
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00:18:27,691 --> 00:18:29,401
{\an8}Mary:
When she was in high school,
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00:18:29,401 --> 00:18:32,487
{\an8}she started working
with a band called The Crow.
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00:18:32,487 --> 00:18:36,616
She would sneak out a lot
at night and go sing in clubs.
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00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:40,078
# Oh, you made me feel
so bad #
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00:18:40,078 --> 00:18:42,497
Donna:
All the band was white.
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00:18:42,497 --> 00:18:45,083
I was "the crow."
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00:18:45,083 --> 00:18:47,043
Mary:
And they really wanted her
to be like
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00:18:47,043 --> 00:18:49,629
the Black Janis Joplin.
You know what I mean?
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00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:53,550
So after, I think, she heard
the way Janis Joplin sang,
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00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:55,844
she felt like, "I can do this."
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00:18:55,844 --> 00:19:01,641
(singing)
# Come on, come on, come on
come on, and take it #
383
00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:04,394
# Take another little piece
of my heart now, baby #
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00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:08,064
Donna:
You know, coming out of church
and, and seeing Janis Joplin
385
00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:10,901
and this wild-haired woman
with no bra on
386
00:19:10,901 --> 00:19:14,112
and, and literally a jug
of whiskey in her hand.
387
00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:16,740
I hadn't ever been exposed
to something like that.
388
00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:18,408
I mean,
that just was not proper.
389
00:19:18,408 --> 00:19:22,120
I remember getting
a spanking for wearing
red fingernail polish,
390
00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:23,413
{\an8}because to my father,
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00:19:23,413 --> 00:19:25,040
{\an8}red fingernail polish meant
392
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,458
{\an8}that was what whores wore,
393
00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:28,084
in his mind.
394
00:19:28,084 --> 00:19:30,795
We wore slips
and more slips and girdles,
395
00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:34,007
and just, don't jiggle.
396
00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:37,218
(sings)
# Can't understand #
397
00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:40,680
# Why this whole world #
398
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,892
# Keeps pulling me down #
399
00:19:43,892 --> 00:19:45,352
# To the ground #
400
00:19:45,352 --> 00:19:47,604
There was a lot of pressure
in being a Black woman.
401
00:19:47,604 --> 00:19:49,564
A lot of pressure.
402
00:19:49,564 --> 00:19:52,067
Being a woman is bad enough.
403
00:19:52,067 --> 00:19:55,570
And being a Black woman
was like a double whammy.
404
00:20:00,909 --> 00:20:03,954
Summer of '68,
I was 19 years old.
405
00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:08,041
I was in sort of a limbo state.
406
00:20:11,086 --> 00:20:13,171
("Born to Die"
by Donna Summer playing)
407
00:20:13,171 --> 00:20:15,256
Donna:
I originally went
out of Boston
408
00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:17,467
to, uh, to pursue
a singing career
409
00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:19,135
in New York with my band.
410
00:20:19,135 --> 00:20:21,221
# Just a baby... #
411
00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:23,431
Donna:
So here I am, I'm in New York,
and, you know,
412
00:20:23,431 --> 00:20:25,475
I feel a little bit freer
than I feel in Boston.
413
00:20:25,475 --> 00:20:27,936
I don't have anybody looking
over my shoulder.
414
00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:32,691
Feeling like, you know,
there was a future waiting
for me somewhere.
415
00:20:32,691 --> 00:20:34,067
And I just needed to discover
416
00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,820
what key it was that was going
to turn the lock,
417
00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:39,155
that was gonna open the door
to that future.
418
00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:42,784
# Raised on hatred #
419
00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:47,038
Donna:
There was just music
pouring out of every doorway
420
00:20:47,038 --> 00:20:51,334
and you became part
of this whole tapestry
of movement
421
00:20:51,334 --> 00:20:54,421
that was happening
in the country, you know,
422
00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:57,841
enjoying the whole environment
of just being kind of a hippie.
423
00:20:57,841 --> 00:20:59,592
# Without love... #
424
00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:03,847
Donna:
I'm trying to figure out
what's going on in my life.
425
00:21:03,847 --> 00:21:05,306
I lived above the Cafe Wha?
426
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:08,518
on the top floor
with a couple of people.
427
00:21:11,563 --> 00:21:15,066
The director of "Hair"
came to the house with
the girl that I live with.
428
00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:17,861
I happened to be singing
around the house at the time
429
00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:19,237
and he heard me and he said,
430
00:21:19,237 --> 00:21:21,031
"I'm having an audition
on Thursday,
431
00:21:21,031 --> 00:21:22,115
would you come down?"
432
00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:24,534
And that was
the turning point.
433
00:21:24,534 --> 00:21:26,119
Within two weeks,
I was out of it.
434
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,038
I went to Germany.
435
00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:32,876
{\an8}(chorus singing
"Let the Sun Shine In"
in German)
436
00:21:32,876 --> 00:21:35,253
(singing "Aquarius" in German)
437
00:21:43,178 --> 00:21:47,182
Donna:
Being 19 years old
in Germany and coming of age,
438
00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:51,603
having the hippie revolution
kind of on my heels,
439
00:21:51,603 --> 00:21:55,231
and being a person
who is craving change
440
00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:58,193
was a door
to an entire reality.
441
00:21:58,193 --> 00:21:59,903
(chorus singing in German)
442
00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,322
Donna:
There were really
kind of no limits,
443
00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,909
sort of newfound freedom.
444
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:08,411
(chorus continues
singing in German)
445
00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:21,299
Donna:
Being in Germany gave me
license to be myself,
446
00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:24,469
and I hadn't had
that license before.
447
00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:28,890
(pensive music playing)
448
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:31,643
{\an8}Jack Waddell:
For the first time,
449
00:22:31,643 --> 00:22:33,103
{\an8}she was accepted in a way
450
00:22:33,103 --> 00:22:34,813
{\an8}that we were never accepted
451
00:22:34,813 --> 00:22:35,814
{\an8}in America.
452
00:22:35,814 --> 00:22:37,982
Blacks were at a premium.
453
00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:40,401
They saw you walking
down the street and said,
454
00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:41,694
"Oh, we've gotta have that."
455
00:22:41,694 --> 00:22:44,322
("Black Lady"
by Donna Summer playing)
456
00:22:47,492 --> 00:22:49,953
Donna:
I got a lot of press
because at that time
457
00:22:49,953 --> 00:22:52,413
there were very few
Black women in Germany.
458
00:22:56,584 --> 00:22:58,670
You were just constantly
on display,
459
00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:00,839
no matter where you went,
no matter what you did.
460
00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:03,007
It was just an open door.
461
00:23:03,007 --> 00:23:05,677
I was tall and very thin
at the time,
462
00:23:05,677 --> 00:23:07,554
and there were a lot
of photographers there,
463
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:10,056
and I just got a lot of work.
464
00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:12,767
- Brooklyn: Helmuth?
- Helmuth Sommer: Yeah?
465
00:23:12,767 --> 00:23:16,104
Brooklyn:
I want to know how
you actually got together.
466
00:23:16,104 --> 00:23:20,900
{\an8}Helmuth:
I met Donna during
the musical "Hair."
467
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:23,444
{\an8}Of course I was attracted.
468
00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,155
Donna had the best voice,
469
00:23:25,155 --> 00:23:30,201
so everybody was admiring
this gift that she had.
470
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:34,330
We were just in kind of
a love for each other.
471
00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:37,167
This is the feeling
that I remember a lot.
472
00:23:37,167 --> 00:23:42,088
She was really a funny girl
when she was in a good mood.
473
00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:48,136
When Mimi was born,
474
00:23:48,136 --> 00:23:50,722
Donna's reaction was
a little bit, um,
475
00:23:50,722 --> 00:23:52,390
kind of distance.
476
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,435
Donna:
I was never that maternal.
477
00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:59,063
I never actually thought
I would ever have kids
until I had one.
478
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:02,859
I just, it just was, it was--
479
00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:05,778
there was too--
there was too much fire in me.
480
00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:11,492
{\an8}Mimi:
When I was born,
481
00:24:11,492 --> 00:24:13,411
{\an8}Mommy was ready to break out.
482
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:18,499
Her dream was just bigger.
483
00:24:20,877 --> 00:24:23,171
She knew more was
on the horizon
484
00:24:23,171 --> 00:24:25,798
and you
could not contain her.
485
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:29,552
So they separated
when I was two.
486
00:24:29,552 --> 00:24:33,223
I pretty much stayed with
my grandparents after that.
487
00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:39,437
Donna:
I went through a manner
of manic depression
488
00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:42,565
to be the one to have
to say, "I'm leaving."
489
00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:45,443
The guilt of that was
so strong.
490
00:24:45,443 --> 00:24:48,780
I'm taking
my daughter's father away.
491
00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:54,452
# #
492
00:24:57,997 --> 00:24:59,707
Announcer:
Donna Summer!
493
00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:02,043
(band playing
"Lady of the Night")
494
00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:12,303
(singing)
# They call her #
495
00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:15,640
# The lady #
496
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,644
# Of the night #
497
00:25:19,644 --> 00:25:24,065
# She's a woman
of the world... #
498
00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:26,276
Donna:
I had started to record some,
499
00:25:26,276 --> 00:25:28,778
uh, what the Germans call
"Schlager" songs,
500
00:25:28,778 --> 00:25:33,992
kind of corny, bubble-gummy,
for the European market.
501
00:25:33,992 --> 00:25:38,246
So I had kind of developed
a little bit of a career.
502
00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:40,498
("Spring Affair"
by Donna Summer playing)
503
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,460
(singing)
# Ooh, somethin's comin'... #
504
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,546
{\an8}Joyce Trabulus:
I remember calling her
505
00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:48,339
{\an8}when she was in Munich
506
00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:50,675
{\an8}and saying, "Are you sexy?"
507
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:53,261
{\an8}And she went,
"Uh, I don't know."
508
00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:55,346
"Could we spotlight you
in 'Playboy'?"
509
00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:59,058
And she went, "Oh,
absolutely not." (laughs)
510
00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:02,895
You know, she was living
a very kind of quiet life
511
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:04,772
in, in Munich.
512
00:26:04,772 --> 00:26:08,234
And when we brought her over
to New York,
513
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:11,195
we brought her over
as a major star.
514
00:26:11,195 --> 00:26:14,324
I came up with
"The First Lady of Love"
for Donna.
515
00:26:14,324 --> 00:26:16,075
That's what Neil was selling.
516
00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:18,828
"You're going to make love
to this wonderful record,
517
00:26:18,828 --> 00:26:20,121
'Love to Love You Baby.'"
518
00:26:20,121 --> 00:26:23,166
# We've got something new #
519
00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:25,376
{\an8}(fans cheering)
520
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:34,302
{\an8}Donna:
Neil looked out for
every aspect of my career,
521
00:26:34,302 --> 00:26:38,097
that every hair is in place,
every smile is right.
522
00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:40,558
"We're gonna give you
the best of everything.
523
00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:43,478
You're gonna look
like you're already rich."
524
00:26:44,645 --> 00:26:46,731
(indistinct chatter)
525
00:26:46,731 --> 00:26:48,524
Donna:
I mean, if I was getting ready
to go on stage
526
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:50,193
and my nail polish
wasn't on my feet
527
00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:52,570
and somebody was late,
he was on his knees.
528
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,155
I kid you not.
529
00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:58,201
He taught me how to dream
on a whole other level.
530
00:26:58,201 --> 00:27:00,161
(guitar beats,
jazz organ playing)
531
00:27:00,161 --> 00:27:02,413
(inaudibly singing)
532
00:27:03,247 --> 00:27:05,291
Donna:
I didn't have
very many friends.
533
00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:07,960
Most of the people that I
was friends with at the time
534
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,755
were in some way involved
in the record business.
535
00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,341
So, Casablanca, because
that was my whole world.
536
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:18,763
{\an8}Susan Munao:
Neil wanted to make it
really special for Donna
537
00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:20,098
{\an8}so he brought her mom and dad
538
00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,516
and her sisters and her brother
539
00:27:21,516 --> 00:27:23,476
to her New York debut.
540
00:27:24,185 --> 00:27:30,650
{\an8}Dara:
It was opposite of the culture
of our family.
541
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:33,444
(indistinct chatter)
542
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:37,573
Dara:
She was really never
that sexy, sultry person.
543
00:27:38,074 --> 00:27:42,078
But even though that persona,
they had given it to her,
544
00:27:42,078 --> 00:27:43,704
that persona was the door
545
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:46,457
that took her
where she needed to go.
546
00:27:50,628 --> 00:27:52,130
(Brooklyn humming)
547
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:54,715
Interviewer:
Well, Donna, obviously,
America was ready for it.
548
00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:55,925
Donna: Mm-hmm.
549
00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,135
Interviewer:
Was Donna Summer ready
550
00:27:57,135 --> 00:28:00,179
for stardom,
name in lights, bodyguards?
551
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:01,472
(whispers) No.
552
00:28:03,266 --> 00:28:06,227
Donna:
Yeah, I have a very hard time
not being myself.
553
00:28:06,686 --> 00:28:10,148
And, uh, there are times
when you can't be yourself
554
00:28:10,148 --> 00:28:12,483
and you can't be
the way you'd like to be.
555
00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:15,570
And that's goofy or funny
or whatever you are
as a human being,
556
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:18,406
as a person, um, offstage.
557
00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:20,533
So what I'm trying to do
more and more now
558
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:22,201
is to become myself on stage
559
00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:24,787
so that when I'm offstage,
it doesn't matter.
560
00:28:24,787 --> 00:28:27,957
And, um, so that the same person
you meet in this room
561
00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:29,417
is the same person onstage.
562
00:28:30,126 --> 00:28:32,545
("Summer Fever"
by Donna Summer playing )
563
00:28:36,591 --> 00:28:37,675
(singing) # Fever #
564
00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:38,968
# Summer #
565
00:28:39,927 --> 00:28:41,220
# Summer fever #
566
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:42,763
# Fever #
567
00:28:44,098 --> 00:28:46,017
# It's the time of love #
568
00:28:46,017 --> 00:28:48,352
# The time of year #
569
00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:51,939
# Temperatures rising
our bodies near #
570
00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:53,274
# In fever #
571
00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:54,525
# Summer #
572
00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:57,445
# Summer fever #
573
00:28:57,445 --> 00:28:59,739
# Fever #
574
00:28:59,739 --> 00:29:02,492
Brooklyn:
Giorgio, growing up
my mom always spoke
575
00:29:02,492 --> 00:29:06,787
about how important
you were to her life.
576
00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:08,998
How did you guys meet?
577
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:12,627
{\an8}Giorgio Moroder:
We were looking for some
578
00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:14,420
{\an8}American or English singers
579
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:15,630
{\an8}for a demo.
580
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,382
Donna came and
we did the vocals
581
00:29:18,382 --> 00:29:20,468
and we were very happy.
582
00:29:21,636 --> 00:29:23,387
# #
583
00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,307
Donna:
So I started working
with Giorgio,
584
00:29:26,307 --> 00:29:28,893
and this is the beginning
of a great relationship.
585
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:30,645
Giorgio really took me
under his wing
586
00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:32,813
even before
I had a hit record.
587
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:34,774
He was like a mentor.
588
00:29:34,774 --> 00:29:37,360
He was a redeeming factor
in my life
589
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,529
from some of the abusive men
or men figures
590
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:41,364
that I had had in the past
591
00:29:41,364 --> 00:29:43,199
or people that I'd
chosen to trust
592
00:29:43,199 --> 00:29:44,909
who were not worthy
of that trust.
593
00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:47,203
Giorgio was the antithesis
of that.
594
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:50,122
- You want to put a fender on?
- Giorgio: A fender, yes.
595
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:51,707
- Make it a little fuller?
- Yeah.
596
00:29:51,707 --> 00:29:55,253
Giorgio:
I had, I had a very close
relationship with her.
597
00:29:55,253 --> 00:29:57,046
She definitely trusted us.
598
00:29:57,046 --> 00:30:00,216
And in fact, whatever we did,
we did well.
599
00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:01,926
# It's so good #
600
00:30:01,926 --> 00:30:04,470
Donna:
I came up with the--
with Giorgio with the...
601
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:05,638
(humming bass line)
602
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:07,431
(sings) # Oh, I feel good #
603
00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:08,641
"I Feel Love."
604
00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:10,393
(humming bass line)
605
00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:13,104
Which just changed the face
of music for a while.
606
00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:16,732
I mean, I figure it was like
maybe a year or two after
"Love to Love You Baby."
607
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:19,068
Giorgio:
"Doo, doo, doo,
doo, doo, doo, doo."
608
00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,487
I said, "Wow, great.
This is totally new."
609
00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:22,989
Donna:
When I went in to do it,
610
00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:25,992
I had the sense that
I was floating.
611
00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:28,077
And that's what we wanted
to maintain,
612
00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:31,205
that floaty kind of,
that elation that you feel
613
00:30:31,205 --> 00:30:33,082
when you're in love,
that kind of... (sighs).
614
00:30:33,082 --> 00:30:35,876
Giorgio:
I think it's probably
one of the most
615
00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:37,420
innovative songs around.
616
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:42,592
# I feel love... #
617
00:30:45,219 --> 00:30:47,138
{\an8}Pete Bellotte:
This was the very first
618
00:30:47,138 --> 00:30:49,307
{\an8}drum machine click trick
619
00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:50,725
ever used in music.
620
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,979
We weren't listening to
what other people were doing
621
00:30:54,979 --> 00:30:57,732
and trying to emulate.
622
00:30:57,732 --> 00:30:59,692
We were forging ahead.
623
00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:00,735
It sounds grandiose,
624
00:31:00,735 --> 00:31:02,445
but I think others
were following.
625
00:31:02,445 --> 00:31:04,530
("I Feel Love"
by Donna Summer playing)
626
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:06,866
(singing) # Ooh #
627
00:31:06,866 --> 00:31:08,784
# Fallin' free... #
628
00:31:08,784 --> 00:31:14,457
Giorgio:
Whatever dance songs came up
later on with electronics
629
00:31:14,457 --> 00:31:16,917
is based on, on "I Feel Love."
630
00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:20,504
# Ooh... #
631
00:31:20,504 --> 00:31:22,590
{\an8}Elton John:
I remember when "I Feel Love"
632
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:24,759
{\an8}came on at Studio 54.
633
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:28,971
{\an8}You just stopped in
your tracks. "What is this?"
634
00:31:28,971 --> 00:31:30,514
{\an8}People screamed.
635
00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:31,849
It just went on and on and on
636
00:31:31,849 --> 00:31:33,851
and you didn't
want it to stop.
637
00:31:33,851 --> 00:31:36,270
It sounded like
no other record.
638
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:39,231
It changed the way
people thought about music.
639
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,150
# I feel love, I feel love #
640
00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:44,445
# I feel love #
641
00:31:48,366 --> 00:31:54,163
# I feel love... #
642
00:31:56,165 --> 00:32:00,252
# I feel love... #
643
00:32:03,673 --> 00:32:05,466
# I feel love... #
644
00:32:05,466 --> 00:32:07,301
Interviewer 1:
Where do you feel
you stand now?
645
00:32:07,301 --> 00:32:08,636
Donna:
I hope I stand
646
00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:11,138
in a light
of legitimacy, I think.
647
00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:14,392
Um, in a place where people
will respect what I do
648
00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:16,894
and understand that
any, any songs that I make,
649
00:32:16,894 --> 00:32:20,398
I do because I choose to and not
because that is my limitation.
650
00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:23,901
Interviewer 2:
How long are you going
to maintain this, this image
651
00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:26,362
that's based on
"Love to Love You Baby"?
652
00:32:26,362 --> 00:32:29,031
Well, I think I've deviated
from that path already.
653
00:32:29,031 --> 00:32:33,661
Um, I won't even, you know,
I hate, um, for it to sound like
654
00:32:33,661 --> 00:32:36,747
I-I'm running away from anything
because I'm really not.
655
00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:42,378
I think it's more like, um,
I'm growing and, uh...
656
00:32:42,378 --> 00:32:44,380
it's like looking
at a flower in the bud
657
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:48,300
and you first see the bud
and you say, "Wow, fantastic,
the trees are budding."
658
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:52,388
And then you go back
and the leaves are out and
then finally, there's a flower.
659
00:32:52,388 --> 00:32:53,806
And I feel that
when I came to America,
660
00:32:53,806 --> 00:32:55,599
I was in the budding stage.
661
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,853
And, um, maybe I'm springing
a leaf about now,
662
00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,980
and maybe one day
I'll be a blossom.
663
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,440
(horns honking)
664
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,941
(whistle blowing)
665
00:33:06,694 --> 00:33:09,113
- Hey!
- Whoa!
666
00:33:09,113 --> 00:33:10,489
(crowd shouting)
667
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:14,368
- Come on!
- Get out of the way!
668
00:33:14,368 --> 00:33:19,749
Hey, I'm trying to
listen to my music! Hey!
I'm listening to my music!
669
00:33:19,749 --> 00:33:21,917
Disco been very good to me!
670
00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:23,669
Man (in car):
Yeah! Get out of the way!
671
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:26,005
Donna (in disguise):
Oh, shut up!
672
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,882
(disco music playing)
673
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:36,056
(singing) # If you feel it
feel it right #
674
00:33:36,056 --> 00:33:39,310
# You got to feel it
every night, yeah #
675
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:42,813
# And if you
feel it, feel it right #
676
00:33:42,813 --> 00:33:46,025
# You got to feel it
every night, yeah #
677
00:33:46,025 --> 00:33:49,445
# Well, if you feel it
feel it so good #
678
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:52,907
# You've got to feel it
like you should feel it #
679
00:33:52,907 --> 00:33:55,910
# And if you feel it
feel it good #
680
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:59,622
# You've got to feel it
like you should #
681
00:33:59,622 --> 00:34:01,415
Take it down, boys.
682
00:34:01,415 --> 00:34:05,461
Now, do you love somebody?
683
00:34:05,461 --> 00:34:07,671
Does everybody here
have somebody they love?
684
00:34:07,671 --> 00:34:09,715
- (crowd cheering)
- No?
685
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,009
Well, love me
for right now, okay?
686
00:34:12,009 --> 00:34:14,887
Just give me a little bit
of love and let me see you
stand up.
687
00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,889
Stand up out your seats.
Come on.
688
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:19,016
Now let's shake
those hips, come on.
689
00:34:19,016 --> 00:34:20,184
Oh, yeah.
690
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:22,186
(singing)
# Do you believe in love? #
691
00:34:22,186 --> 00:34:23,646
# Do you believe
in love? #
692
00:34:23,646 --> 00:34:25,189
# Do you believe in love? #
693
00:34:25,189 --> 00:34:26,899
# Do you believe
in love? #
694
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:28,567
# Do you believe in love? #
695
00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:30,236
# Do you believe
in love? #
696
00:34:30,236 --> 00:34:31,654
# Do you believe in love? #
697
00:34:31,654 --> 00:34:33,030
Come on, shake your hand now.
698
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:34,824
# Do you believe in love? #
699
00:34:34,824 --> 00:34:36,325
Come on.
700
00:34:36,325 --> 00:34:39,161
# Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah #
701
00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:40,746
# Feel it #
Whoo!
702
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:42,456
# Feel it #
Oh, yeah.
703
00:34:42,456 --> 00:34:45,668
# Feel it, feel it
feel it, feel it #
704
00:34:45,668 --> 00:34:48,879
Thank you for coming tonight.
I'm happy to see you.
705
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,548
Thank you for coming.
706
00:34:50,548 --> 00:34:53,342
Thank you. I love you, too.
Thank you for coming.
707
00:34:53,342 --> 00:34:55,052
Thank you so much. Whoo!
708
00:34:55,052 --> 00:34:57,054
- (cars honking)
- (electronic percussion playing)
709
00:35:07,481 --> 00:35:09,859
("Bad Girls"
by Donna Summer playing)
710
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:12,778
# Bad girls #
711
00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:16,907
# Talking 'bout
the sad girls, yeah #
712
00:35:16,907 --> 00:35:20,494
# Talking 'bout bad girls #
713
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:25,040
# The sad girls #
714
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,084
Donna:
When you have success
all over the world
715
00:35:27,084 --> 00:35:29,879
and it's very constant,
you have it.
716
00:35:29,879 --> 00:35:31,547
It's all the time,
it's everywhere you go.
717
00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:34,383
It's like you never
get a break.
718
00:35:34,383 --> 00:35:36,010
I didn't dream about fame
that way.
719
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:38,095
I dreamt about singing.
720
00:35:38,095 --> 00:35:41,307
Whenever I dreamt about fame,
it was being on stage.
721
00:35:41,849 --> 00:35:46,228
It wasn't the accolades
and all the people screaming
"I love you!"
722
00:35:46,228 --> 00:35:48,439
So when that part
came into it,
723
00:35:48,439 --> 00:35:49,815
it, it threw me for a loop
724
00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:52,401
because I really didn't know
how to deal with that.
725
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,195
# Do you have enough? #
726
00:35:57,281 --> 00:35:58,908
# Can you buy enough? #
727
00:36:00,784 --> 00:36:02,036
# Can you sell enough? #
728
00:36:02,036 --> 00:36:03,871
# Can you sell
enough? #
729
00:36:05,164 --> 00:36:07,625
# Everybody sees you #
730
00:36:07,625 --> 00:36:09,293
(crowd screaming)
731
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:11,128
# Bad girls #
732
00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,839
# You ain't got nobody #
733
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,258
# You're lying all the time #
734
00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:19,261
# Sad girl went
the wrong way in life #
735
00:36:19,261 --> 00:36:20,888
# Yes, you are #
736
00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:25,726
# Said you want to be a star #
737
00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,146
Donna:
We did a demo of "Bad Girls,"
738
00:36:29,146 --> 00:36:30,773
everything was done,
the song was finished.
739
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:33,108
We listened to it over
and over again, I'm like,
740
00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:35,152
"There is something missing
to this song.
741
00:36:35,152 --> 00:36:38,447
I think this song
needs a hook."
742
00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:39,949
Said, "I got this idea,
743
00:36:39,949 --> 00:36:42,826
this imagery of,
how do you haul a hooker?"
744
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,371
# Toot-toot, yeah
beep-beep #
745
00:36:45,371 --> 00:36:47,957
You're honking your horn.
You're trying to get
her attention.
746
00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:48,874
It's like, "Over here."
747
00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:49,917
# Beep-beep #
748
00:36:51,293 --> 00:36:54,171
# Bad girls #
749
00:36:54,171 --> 00:36:59,176
# Talking 'bout
the sad girls, yeah #
750
00:36:59,176 --> 00:37:02,054
# Bad girls #
751
00:37:02,054 --> 00:37:05,683
# Talking 'bout
bad girls, yeah #
752
00:37:05,683 --> 00:37:07,309
{\an8}Woman:
Oh, my God!
753
00:37:07,309 --> 00:37:10,396
{\an8}# See them out on the street
at night... #
754
00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:13,816
{\an8}Man:
You gotta tip it down,
you gotta tip it down.
755
00:37:13,816 --> 00:37:15,484
{\an8}You gotta
tip it down.
756
00:37:15,484 --> 00:37:18,237
{\an8}# You can score
if your pocket's nice #
757
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:19,238
(indistinct party chatter)
758
00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:20,489
# But you want a good... #
759
00:37:20,489 --> 00:37:21,949
Donna:
Everybody sang in my family.
760
00:37:21,949 --> 00:37:25,327
My father sang,
my mother sang.
761
00:37:25,327 --> 00:37:27,663
# You ask yourself... #
762
00:37:27,663 --> 00:37:29,206
Donna:
Every time my father
had company,
763
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:30,582
my mother had company,
764
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:33,002
my mother would call me
and my sisters
765
00:37:33,002 --> 00:37:35,212
into the room to perform,
766
00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,714
and they would just go crazy.
767
00:37:36,714 --> 00:37:38,382
# They come
from near and far #
768
00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:41,677
# Whoa... #
769
00:37:41,677 --> 00:37:45,889
Donna:
So we had these sort of
little outlets of performing,
770
00:37:45,889 --> 00:37:47,558
a bit of an idea or insight
771
00:37:47,558 --> 00:37:51,895
as to what it was like to have
people applaud for you.
772
00:37:51,895 --> 00:37:54,648
We did impersonations
as much as we could.
773
00:37:54,648 --> 00:37:57,651
# Bad girls #
774
00:37:57,651 --> 00:38:02,489
# Talking 'bout
the sad girls, yeah #
775
00:38:02,489 --> 00:38:05,743
# The sad girls #
776
00:38:05,743 --> 00:38:09,496
# Talking 'bout
bad girls, yeah #
777
00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:10,831
(indistinct party chatter)
778
00:38:10,831 --> 00:38:12,374
Thank you,
ladies and gentlemen.
779
00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:14,668
We will be back tomorrow night.
See you again...
780
00:38:14,668 --> 00:38:20,507
- Do you live here in California?
- I live about, I think,
40,000 feet above.
781
00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:22,468
Usually in one direction
or the other.
782
00:38:22,468 --> 00:38:24,428
- Oh, you're always in a plane?
- I haven't been home at all. Yeah.
783
00:38:24,428 --> 00:38:27,556
I haven't been home maybe
two and a half months this year.
784
00:38:27,556 --> 00:38:29,600
(dramatic disco music playing)
785
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,186
# Ohh! #
786
00:38:32,186 --> 00:38:33,854
Brooklyn:
I'm always amazed
787
00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:36,940
at the amount of songs
she released,
788
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:43,322
the press that she did,
the tours, from like
1976 to like 1980.
789
00:38:44,114 --> 00:38:46,742
I don't know
how she survived it.
790
00:38:46,742 --> 00:38:50,412
{\an8}Mary:
During that time when
she was really first famous,
791
00:38:50,412 --> 00:38:54,416
{\an8}I think she knew
that was a part of the game.
792
00:38:55,334 --> 00:38:58,128
I think she understood
that that came
with the territory.
793
00:38:58,128 --> 00:38:59,963
And so she, she marched it.
794
00:39:00,589 --> 00:39:03,467
It wasn't that
she loved it all.
795
00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:06,970
She just tried to
keep her sanity.
796
00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,141
Brooklyn:
How do you think
she felt about
797
00:39:11,141 --> 00:39:13,352
the title
"Queen of Disco"?
798
00:39:13,936 --> 00:39:15,145
Mary:
I know she would say,
799
00:39:15,145 --> 00:39:16,647
"Hey, it's better to be
the queen of something."
800
00:39:16,647 --> 00:39:17,773
You know? (laughs)
801
00:39:17,773 --> 00:39:20,275
But in some ways
it was love, hate,
802
00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:23,612
because, "Yeah, I love disco,
disco got me here,
803
00:39:23,612 --> 00:39:26,198
but that's not all
of who I am."
804
00:39:34,832 --> 00:39:37,793
Donna:
I had done all the songs
in this made-up voice,
805
00:39:37,793 --> 00:39:40,254
so people thought,
"Oh, well, she's a fad."
806
00:39:40,254 --> 00:39:43,549
"Oh, she can't really sing.
This girl doesn't sing.
807
00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:46,260
What's the big deal
about her?"
808
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:47,761
- (indistinct chatter)
- (shutter snaps)
809
00:39:48,137 --> 00:39:50,139
Donna:
You know, you can look
at somebody who's talented
810
00:39:50,139 --> 00:39:53,225
and you can know that
they're capable of 20 things,
811
00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:55,477
but the audience
doesn't know that yet.
812
00:39:55,477 --> 00:39:57,771
And I always take it
from that point of view
813
00:39:57,771 --> 00:39:59,606
that they
just don't know me yet.
814
00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:00,899
That's okay.
815
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,443
(band playing
"MacArthur Park" )
816
00:40:03,443 --> 00:40:08,740
(singing) # Spring was never
waiting for us, dear #
817
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:12,161
# It ran one step ahead #
818
00:40:12,161 --> 00:40:16,582
# As we followed
in the dance #
819
00:40:26,133 --> 00:40:31,138
# Between the parted pages
we were pressed #
820
00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:34,308
# In love's hot fevered iron #
821
00:40:34,308 --> 00:40:37,769
# Like a stripe-ed pair
of pants #
822
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:51,867
# MacArthur's Park
is melting in the dark #
823
00:40:51,867 --> 00:40:54,244
# All the sweet green icing #
824
00:40:54,244 --> 00:40:57,539
# Flowing down #
825
00:40:57,539 --> 00:41:02,586
# Someone left my cake out
in the rain #
826
00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:06,882
# I don't think
that I can take it #
827
00:41:06,882 --> 00:41:10,719
# 'Cause it took
too long to bake it #
828
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,389
# And I'll never have
that recipe #
829
00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:17,351
# Again #
830
00:41:17,351 --> 00:41:21,855
# Again... #
831
00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:26,360
# Ah-ha! #
832
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,819
- (disco playing)
833
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:42,584
- Whoo!
- Best Rhythm and Blues
Vocal Performance Female is...
834
00:41:42,584 --> 00:41:45,254
(chuckles)
835
00:41:45,254 --> 00:41:47,631
- ...Donna Summer.
- (crowd cheering)
836
00:41:47,631 --> 00:41:49,174
{\an8}Man:
All right!
837
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:51,385
{\an8}And the winner is...
838
00:41:51,385 --> 00:41:52,970
{\an8}Donna Summer!
839
00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:55,347
{\an8}Donna Summer.
840
00:41:55,347 --> 00:41:56,974
{\an8}- Donna Summer.
- "Live and More."
841
00:41:56,974 --> 00:41:59,393
{\an8}- I knew it. Donna Summer.
- All right.
842
00:41:59,393 --> 00:42:04,481
{\an8}(band playing fanfare)
843
00:42:04,481 --> 00:42:06,358
Donna (in British accent):
Now, ladies and gentlemen,
844
00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:09,111
we're having a moment
of station identification.
845
00:42:09,111 --> 00:42:10,779
Boop!
846
00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,407
(TV playing in background)
847
00:42:27,337 --> 00:42:33,051
We remember so well the days
of lipstick and women.
848
00:42:33,051 --> 00:42:35,470
Well, those were the days
when women
849
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:39,433
used to not smear it on.
850
00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:44,187
They used to molest
the lipstick.
851
00:42:44,187 --> 00:42:47,524
I was always a comedian.
I was always a clown.
852
00:42:47,524 --> 00:42:50,902
So becoming Donna Summer
the character,
853
00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:54,656
I didn't feel very sexy
at the time, so I just
assumed it as a role.
854
00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:57,367
("Love to Love You Baby"
playing on speakers)
855
00:42:57,367 --> 00:43:00,287
Donna:
This time that I spent
away from home,
856
00:43:00,287 --> 00:43:02,956
away from the mindset
that I grew up in,
857
00:43:02,956 --> 00:43:08,545
away from what should be,
away from how I should be,
858
00:43:08,545 --> 00:43:10,714
is what has made me what I am
859
00:43:10,714 --> 00:43:13,091
and has given me
my individuality
860
00:43:13,091 --> 00:43:17,012
away from all
of the predictable.
861
00:43:17,012 --> 00:43:18,722
And so I'm unpredictable,
862
00:43:18,722 --> 00:43:22,059
and that, that stresses
the crap out of people.
863
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:31,485
- (women laughing)
- Woman: Whoo!
864
00:43:33,362 --> 00:43:36,907
("Love to Love You Baby"
continues playing)
865
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,677
Do you feel like you're
handling your success now?
866
00:43:56,677 --> 00:43:59,221
- Uh, sometimes. Shaky.
- Yeah?
867
00:43:59,221 --> 00:44:03,183
Donna: Shaky. I think the part
that I really have to deal
with the most is my daughter.
868
00:44:03,183 --> 00:44:04,768
{\an8}Interviewer:
Is she with your folks?
869
00:44:04,768 --> 00:44:07,854
{\an8}Donna:
She's with my parents
in, um, in Massachusetts.
870
00:44:07,854 --> 00:44:11,400
{\an8}And what is so hard about it
is that as much as I miss her
871
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,735
{\an8}and as much as I want to
be with her,
872
00:44:13,735 --> 00:44:17,739
{\an8}as soon as she's there,
I have to go back to her way.
873
00:44:17,739 --> 00:44:19,574
It's a constant adjustment.
874
00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:21,993
So the first couple of days,
it's, I have to become
a parent again.
875
00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,706
And the responsibility
of that and the weight
of that is, is immense.
876
00:44:29,042 --> 00:44:32,170
Mimi:
I could tell that
she was trying hard.
877
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,215
She would be like, "Okay,
Mimi, let's go play outside.
878
00:44:35,215 --> 00:44:36,883
I'm gonna make you
breakfast."
879
00:44:36,883 --> 00:44:40,637
And I knew that that was
something that she didn't
do often.
880
00:44:40,637 --> 00:44:43,432
So for me, I always felt like,
"Wow, she's really trying.
881
00:44:43,432 --> 00:44:44,516
She's trying to make time.
882
00:44:44,516 --> 00:44:46,852
She's trying to
carve time out."
883
00:44:52,524 --> 00:44:54,401
When I would be
alone with her,
884
00:44:54,401 --> 00:44:55,777
we would go to
bed or something.
885
00:44:55,777 --> 00:44:56,903
I'd sleep in the bed with her
886
00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:59,406
and she would just
be exhausted.
887
00:44:59,406 --> 00:45:01,491
You could just see it
in her face.
888
00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:03,702
It wasn't just like,
"I'm tired."
889
00:45:03,702 --> 00:45:06,663
It was like
a soul weariness, though.
890
00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,623
It almost made me sad for her.
891
00:45:08,623 --> 00:45:12,002
I get to go back
to my grandparents' house
and have a normal life,
892
00:45:12,002 --> 00:45:15,881
but she is getting
pulled in every direction.
893
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:19,259
{\an8}Mary:
Donna was trying to navigate
894
00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:21,386
{\an8}being a mother
and be a good mother.
895
00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:25,015
But to know that you have
a destiny in this arena
896
00:45:25,015 --> 00:45:27,767
and yet you have
this responsibility that
is important to you.
897
00:45:27,767 --> 00:45:31,563
There's no examples as to how
to make that balance correct.
898
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:36,151
Donna's decision to have
Mom and Dad take care of her
899
00:45:36,151 --> 00:45:38,069
was one which she knew
she would be loved.
900
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:41,782
She knew she'd be nurtured,
and she knew she'd be safe.
901
00:45:41,782 --> 00:45:43,742
(applause)
902
00:45:43,742 --> 00:45:45,452
Donna:
I don't think you understand
what it's like
903
00:45:45,452 --> 00:45:49,414
being the daughter
of someone who is always gone.
904
00:45:49,414 --> 00:45:51,291
My daughter looked up at me
one day last week
905
00:45:51,291 --> 00:45:55,754
and she said,
"Mommy, when are you just
going to stay home one day
906
00:45:55,754 --> 00:45:57,589
and be with me?"
907
00:45:57,589 --> 00:46:01,885
And I didn't realize
that I hadn't spent any time
with her for a long time.
908
00:46:01,885 --> 00:46:06,181
So I sat down
and wrote this song
after she went to bed,
909
00:46:06,181 --> 00:46:08,808
and I told her
tonight when it was bedtime
910
00:46:08,808 --> 00:46:10,852
I would sing her a song.
911
00:46:10,852 --> 00:46:13,396
("Mimi's Song
by Donna Summer playing)
912
00:46:13,396 --> 00:46:17,442
# Mmmm #
913
00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:24,032
# I bet you ask yourself #
914
00:46:24,032 --> 00:46:27,327
# Why I'm rarely there #
915
00:46:27,327 --> 00:46:33,208
# It's not because
I like being away #
916
00:46:33,208 --> 00:46:35,585
# You see #
917
00:46:35,585 --> 00:46:40,215
# I've made a spectacle
of myself #
918
00:46:40,215 --> 00:46:46,888
# And it seems that
the whole world needs me #
919
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:54,938
# I understand
when you cry alone #
920
00:46:54,938 --> 00:47:00,944
# And mama's not there
to wipe your eyes #
921
00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:05,240
Mimi:
When I heard the "Mimi Song,"
it was like, "Oh, my gosh."
922
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,867
I was like,
"She wrote a song for me.
923
00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:10,662
She really feels this way
about me."
924
00:47:12,372 --> 00:47:14,291
# Someone
to make you proud #
925
00:47:14,291 --> 00:47:18,878
Mimi:
There was such a great bond
that it had created, that song,
926
00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:21,464
just to spend the time
with her doing what she does
927
00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:23,091
and being with her.
928
00:47:23,091 --> 00:47:25,510
I just remember feeling
elated as a kid.
929
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:28,889
# With so much #
930
00:47:28,889 --> 00:47:30,307
# Love #
931
00:47:30,307 --> 00:47:32,309
Come on, Mimi.
932
00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:35,645
# 'Cause you're lovely #
933
00:47:35,645 --> 00:47:37,814
# Yes, you're lovely #
934
00:47:37,814 --> 00:47:42,277
# And you're beautiful #
935
00:47:42,277 --> 00:47:49,075
# And you understand #
936
00:47:49,075 --> 00:47:50,410
Say good night to everyone.
937
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:51,620
Good night.
938
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:55,457
(applause)
939
00:48:01,671 --> 00:48:05,467
Donna:
Money and success
does not make you happy.
940
00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:08,762
I know it for a fact
because for me,
941
00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:11,181
the most dismal days
of my existence
942
00:48:11,181 --> 00:48:13,516
were at the height
of my career.
943
00:48:14,768 --> 00:48:18,021
It was like wearing
an evening gown that was
too tight, you know?
944
00:48:18,021 --> 00:48:21,650
You know,
everything was popping out,
and I needed more space.
945
00:48:23,485 --> 00:48:26,196
I saw the self
I was striving to be.
946
00:48:26,196 --> 00:48:29,783
All of a sudden it seemed
further away than ever.
947
00:48:30,283 --> 00:48:32,452
Feeling guilty
or feeling shame,
948
00:48:32,452 --> 00:48:36,206
or feeling all the things
that had been part of my life.
949
00:48:41,461 --> 00:48:44,506
I was molested by a minister
when I was in my teens.
950
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,847
{\an8}It's not pain
I could have spoken about.
951
00:48:52,847 --> 00:48:58,561
{\an8}But it's something that I have
to always incorporate
into my reality.
952
00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:04,025
Brooklyn:
Uncle Ricky,
953
00:49:04,025 --> 00:49:06,569
Mom never talked about
954
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:09,739
being abused
by the pastor with me.
955
00:49:10,198 --> 00:49:13,201
Did she ever talk to you
about it?
956
00:49:13,785 --> 00:49:15,370
{\an8}Ric: Yes.
957
00:49:15,954 --> 00:49:17,997
{\an8}He did a lot of damage
to a lot of people.
958
00:49:17,997 --> 00:49:20,709
{\an8}Did the devil's work
better than most.
959
00:49:22,127 --> 00:49:25,004
{\an8}I believe, I believe that, uh,
960
00:49:25,463 --> 00:49:27,757
{\an8}became a defining moment
in her life.
961
00:49:27,757 --> 00:49:31,594
{\an8}It's not easy when you don't
tell or have the ability
to tell people.
962
00:49:32,011 --> 00:49:34,139
{\an8}But how do you get out of it?
963
00:49:41,521 --> 00:49:43,732
Donna:
There were other things
that had gone on in my life.
964
00:49:43,732 --> 00:49:47,026
Things in my own sense
of morality that I felt
that I had crossed,
965
00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:50,822
like that I felt God
could never forgive me
because I, I failed him.
966
00:49:50,822 --> 00:49:52,907
I-I... I was decadent.
967
00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:56,745
I was stupid.
You know, I was a fool.
968
00:49:56,745 --> 00:49:59,831
So I just decided that
my life had no meaning.
969
00:49:59,831 --> 00:50:00,749
(static buzzes)
970
00:50:00,749 --> 00:50:03,835
(traffic noise,
water splashing)
971
00:50:06,838 --> 00:50:08,173
Donna:
I was in New York.
972
00:50:08,465 --> 00:50:14,763
I was alone
in the then Navarro Hotel
on Central Park South.
973
00:50:18,767 --> 00:50:20,477
I'd been watching TV.
974
00:50:22,687 --> 00:50:24,314
I just broke down and said,
975
00:50:24,314 --> 00:50:28,109
"I am not going to live
another day like this."
976
00:50:29,944 --> 00:50:32,947
I had not been able to sleep
and I was lying in bed.
977
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:35,825
The lines on the TV were
going up and up and up,
978
00:50:35,825 --> 00:50:40,288
and after a while I think
I was-- it was almost like
being hypnotized.
979
00:50:40,288 --> 00:50:43,124
(wind howling)
980
00:50:43,708 --> 00:50:46,878
Donna:
And it was--
it was crushing to me.
981
00:50:46,878 --> 00:50:48,546
And I thought, "You know what?
982
00:50:48,546 --> 00:50:51,549
"I'm never going to be
who I am.
983
00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:54,385
"You know, I'm going to be
stuck being this person.
984
00:50:54,385 --> 00:50:56,179
How do I get out of it?"
985
00:50:58,932 --> 00:51:01,059
And, uh, on that day, I...
986
00:51:01,059 --> 00:51:03,144
I-I just said,
"I'm, I'm getting out of here.
987
00:51:03,144 --> 00:51:05,063
I'm leaving, I-I gotta go."
988
00:51:05,063 --> 00:51:06,856
And I put my foot
out the window.
989
00:51:06,856 --> 00:51:09,234
And as I shifted my weight
to slide out the window,
990
00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:11,945
my foot got caught
into this thin curtain.
991
00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:13,571
And at that precise moment,
992
00:51:13,571 --> 00:51:17,408
the door opened and it was
my house-cleaning lady.
993
00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:20,995
And she opened
the door enough to look
right at me and go,
994
00:51:20,995 --> 00:51:23,331
"Oh, Miss Summer,
I came to clean up today."
995
00:51:23,331 --> 00:51:26,835
Another ten seconds,
I would've been gone.
996
00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:33,174
(birds chirping)
997
00:51:45,645 --> 00:51:48,231
- Bruce: The "Rolling Stone."
- Brooklyn: Yeah.
998
00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:50,191
Brooklyn:
That must have been
a big deal, huh?
999
00:51:50,191 --> 00:51:54,404
{\an8}It was a big deal
at the time, because,
first of all, Black.
1000
00:51:54,404 --> 00:51:56,197
{\an8}- Second of all, woman.
- Yeah. Yeah.
1001
00:51:56,197 --> 00:52:01,494
So, uh, it was a big "get"
at the time, and-and, uh...
1002
00:52:01,494 --> 00:52:03,496
Were you guys dating then
or not yet?
1003
00:52:03,496 --> 00:52:06,291
Yeah, no, we definitely,
yeah, we were, we were.
1004
00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:08,293
We were dating
from the moment we met.
1005
00:52:08,293 --> 00:52:10,461
(laughing) Oh, yes.
1006
00:52:10,461 --> 00:52:14,173
{\an8}Donna (singing):
# Man stayed up all night #
1007
00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:18,136
{\an8}# And carried on #
1008
00:52:18,136 --> 00:52:21,764
{\an8}# And now he knows #
1009
00:52:21,764 --> 00:52:24,309
{\an8}# He wishes #
1010
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:29,606
{\an8}# He'd never gone #
1011
00:52:29,606 --> 00:52:30,982
{\an8}# And he knows... #
1012
00:52:30,982 --> 00:52:34,819
{\an8}Bruce:
When I first met Donna
in my egocentric,
1013
00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:37,238
{\an8}elitist songwriter mind,
1014
00:52:37,238 --> 00:52:40,325
{\an8}I think I kind of viewed her
as a novelty.
1015
00:52:40,325 --> 00:52:42,160
{\an8}But then we sat down
at the table,
1016
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,912
{\an8}started playing guitars,
1017
00:52:43,912 --> 00:52:47,916
{\an8}and we just hit it off instantaneously.
1018
00:52:47,916 --> 00:52:53,296
{\an8}All (singing):
# How much he loves you,
baby #
1019
00:52:53,296 --> 00:52:56,966
{\an8}# Take your baby home #
1020
00:52:56,966 --> 00:52:58,384
{\an8}# Hey-ee-ee #
1021
00:52:58,384 --> 00:53:00,428
{\an8}Are you sure
those are the right chords?
1022
00:53:00,428 --> 00:53:03,139
Donna (singing):
# Man stayed out all night #
1023
00:53:03,139 --> 00:53:04,599
Donna: I love it.
1024
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,770
Bruce:
I had a girlfriend
who was still in New York,
1025
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:11,439
who I had been with
a few years.
1026
00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:13,441
Donna had this boyfriend.
1027
00:53:13,441 --> 00:53:17,779
I don't know where he was
that week, but he was gone.
1028
00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:19,739
The next week,
1029
00:53:19,739 --> 00:53:23,368
Donna and I just hung out
together the whole time,
1030
00:53:23,368 --> 00:53:28,373
barely sleeping,
just talking, writing.
1031
00:53:28,373 --> 00:53:32,919
Within that time,
we were bonded.
1032
00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:37,298
I brought this Bible with me
and, uh, Donna liked that.
1033
00:53:37,298 --> 00:53:41,052
She was like,
"I never met a guy
who, like, studied the Bible."
1034
00:53:41,052 --> 00:53:44,889
My Bible was also my stash
for my joints, you know?
1035
00:53:44,889 --> 00:53:47,058
(sighs)
1036
00:53:47,058 --> 00:53:49,936
Donna (singing):
# Someday he'll come along #
1037
00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:51,437
(crowd cheering)
1038
00:53:51,437 --> 00:53:54,816
# The man I love #
1039
00:53:54,816 --> 00:53:58,152
# And he'll be
rich and strong #
1040
00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:00,989
# The man I love #
1041
00:54:02,824 --> 00:54:05,743
# And when he comes my way #
1042
00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,747
# I'll do my best #
1043
00:54:09,747 --> 00:54:11,916
# To make #
1044
00:54:11,916 --> 00:54:13,710
# Him #
1045
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:15,545
# Stay #
1046
00:54:15,545 --> 00:54:18,214
Bruce:
We had a lot in common
1047
00:54:18,214 --> 00:54:20,842
in terms of our drive
to succeed
1048
00:54:20,842 --> 00:54:23,011
and to escape
where we were from.
1049
00:54:23,011 --> 00:54:24,721
# I'll understand #
1050
00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:28,808
Bruce:
So we, we just had
this intense beginning.
1051
00:54:31,436 --> 00:54:34,564
I wasn't a serious
boyfriend type.
1052
00:54:34,564 --> 00:54:37,066
I was serious about my career.
1053
00:54:37,066 --> 00:54:38,359
And so was Donna.
1054
00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:42,196
You know, that's part
of what Donna and I
1055
00:54:42,196 --> 00:54:44,282
recognized in each other.
1056
00:54:45,908 --> 00:54:51,372
You know, I'm the kind of lady
that always meets the wrong man
1057
00:54:51,372 --> 00:54:54,542
at the wrong place,
at the wrong time.
1058
00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:57,712
I've always had that
wrong kind of luck, you know?
1059
00:55:00,006 --> 00:55:02,884
My man comes home fighting
and screaming and fussing,
1060
00:55:02,884 --> 00:55:06,637
and, and hitting me
and beating my head
upside the wall and...
1061
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,266
you know, he doesn't
treat me good at all,
1062
00:55:10,266 --> 00:55:15,188
but I want him to,
I need him, you see,
my man just...
1063
00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:18,691
Bruce:
For all the bravado
that appeared on the outside,
1064
00:55:18,691 --> 00:55:21,360
there was a great deal
of insecurity underneath that.
1065
00:55:23,446 --> 00:55:25,031
Fear of being alone
1066
00:55:25,031 --> 00:55:28,993
led her into
these relationships
1067
00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:32,455
that in her mind were
kind of like placeholders.
1068
00:55:32,455 --> 00:55:37,168
# I got it bad #
1069
00:55:37,168 --> 00:55:43,132
# And that ain't good #
1070
00:55:43,132 --> 00:55:45,009
Nah, that ain't good.
1071
00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:50,890
{\an8}- (lighter clicks)
- Dara: Peter Muhldorfer was
1072
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:54,018
{\an8}one of Donna's distractions.
1073
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:58,231
He was a very dark character.
1074
00:55:58,231 --> 00:56:00,358
I have no good
memories of him.
1075
00:56:00,983 --> 00:56:03,694
I always felt
very protective of her
1076
00:56:03,694 --> 00:56:06,489
when he was in her life.
1077
00:56:07,198 --> 00:56:12,537
He had the same vibrant
imagination as Donna.
1078
00:56:12,537 --> 00:56:17,083
He was very creative
in a very dark way.
1079
00:56:18,543 --> 00:56:20,670
Donna:
My boyfriend Peter,
1080
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:25,174
who was, uh, kind of abusive
at times and very possessive,
1081
00:56:25,174 --> 00:56:28,469
extremely controlling.
1082
00:56:28,469 --> 00:56:30,012
He would drink
and be abusive
1083
00:56:30,012 --> 00:56:32,974
and then he would
apologize for the abuse.
1084
00:56:35,268 --> 00:56:38,020
And you're going, "Well,
you know, maybe it's just me.
1085
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:40,106
"Maybe I did something
to provoke him.
1086
00:56:40,106 --> 00:56:42,233
Maybe I shouldn't
have said that."
1087
00:56:42,233 --> 00:56:44,986
'Cause you really
don't want to be alone
1088
00:56:44,986 --> 00:56:48,781
because you're really afraid
internally yourself.
1089
00:56:48,781 --> 00:56:50,533
And something
in you identifies
1090
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:52,577
with his fear of being alone.
1091
00:56:57,415 --> 00:57:00,334
The more independence
I've started to have,
1092
00:57:00,334 --> 00:57:03,504
the more Peter
felt threatened.
1093
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:06,674
Even though there were
a lot of new people
1094
00:57:06,674 --> 00:57:08,509
in my life at that point,
1095
00:57:08,509 --> 00:57:11,512
there wasn't any one person
other than Peter who,
1096
00:57:11,512 --> 00:57:15,391
who I really believed
loved me.
1097
00:57:16,058 --> 00:57:21,230
I knew that as this wave
of success grew,
1098
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:24,609
he would be more jealous
and more aggressive.
1099
00:57:24,609 --> 00:57:26,736
I was fearful
of the situation,
1100
00:57:26,736 --> 00:57:28,863
that I felt trapped by it.
1101
00:57:31,616 --> 00:57:33,576
I was already secretly
seeing Bruce by then
1102
00:57:33,576 --> 00:57:35,494
because Bruce
was like a safe haven.
1103
00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,958
I had tried my best
to get away from Peter.
1104
00:57:44,503 --> 00:57:45,755
Brooklyn:
Peter, I'm curious,
1105
00:57:45,755 --> 00:57:48,007
what was your impression
of Bruce?
1106
00:57:48,007 --> 00:57:51,802
You said you
kind of suspected
something going on.
1107
00:57:51,802 --> 00:57:54,555
{\an8}Peter Muhldorfer:
When I came back
from New York,
1108
00:57:54,555 --> 00:57:57,725
{\an8}Bruce and the guys
have been in the house.
1109
00:57:57,725 --> 00:58:02,688
I remember
they were writing a song.
1110
00:58:02,688 --> 00:58:09,237
The lyrics was "something
laying heavy on my heart."
1111
00:58:09,237 --> 00:58:13,157
I felt there
is something going on,
1112
00:58:13,157 --> 00:58:14,659
some separation,
1113
00:58:14,659 --> 00:58:19,121
and some plan
or something like that.
1114
00:58:19,121 --> 00:58:20,957
(Donna inaudible)
1115
00:58:20,957 --> 00:58:23,209
Peter:
And then, of course,
we had a fight.
1116
00:58:23,209 --> 00:58:26,295
- (dramatic music playing)
- (telephone rings)
1117
00:58:26,295 --> 00:58:30,091
{\an8}Joyce:
I got a phone call
in the middle of the night,
1118
00:58:30,091 --> 00:58:32,426
{\an8}um, and said to Neil,
1119
00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:35,471
"Call our attorney
and call the police."
1120
00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:40,184
{\an8}Mary:
A black eye and a bruised
cheek and broken ribs.
1121
00:58:41,143 --> 00:58:43,145
Donna was unconscious.
1122
00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:48,401
I had no respect for him.
1123
00:58:48,401 --> 00:58:52,363
She was becoming a star.
He could not handle that.
1124
00:58:57,285 --> 00:58:59,745
{\an8}Mimi:
My recollection of Peter is,
1125
00:58:59,745 --> 00:59:01,956
{\an8}"This guy's crazy."
1126
00:59:03,249 --> 00:59:05,543
Police again coming
to our house,
1127
00:59:05,543 --> 00:59:06,752
me hiding in the back room
1128
00:59:06,752 --> 00:59:09,088
and hearing everything
that was going on
1129
00:59:09,088 --> 00:59:12,383
and seeing police sirens
and lights going off and...
1130
00:59:12,383 --> 00:59:15,219
being so happy
when mom decided to be done
1131
00:59:15,219 --> 00:59:17,763
with that relationship.
1132
00:59:21,934 --> 00:59:26,314
Peter:
I did it as a white man
with a Black woman,
1133
00:59:26,314 --> 00:59:30,735
and I did it with somebody
who was a star already.
1134
00:59:32,445 --> 00:59:35,072
She called the management
and they picked her up,
1135
00:59:35,072 --> 00:59:40,161
and from that moment on,
I haven't seen her anymore.
1136
00:59:40,161 --> 00:59:44,165
I hit her, and I never
could forgive myself.
1137
00:59:48,753 --> 00:59:51,172
All (singing):
1138
00:59:52,423 --> 00:59:54,592
# Watching Daddy dance #
1139
00:59:56,927 --> 00:59:58,721
# Watching Daddy dance #
1140
00:59:58,721 --> 01:00:00,973
Okay. I want to try it again.
You're not-- watch.
1141
01:00:00,973 --> 01:00:02,391
The first one was beautiful,
1142
01:00:02,391 --> 01:00:04,352
ones after that
got a little bit sloppy.
1143
01:00:04,352 --> 01:00:06,228
So do, (sings)
# Watching Dad... # You know?
1144
01:00:06,228 --> 01:00:08,856
Interviewer:
How did you incorporate
your family into your act?
1145
01:00:08,856 --> 01:00:11,734
Donna:
Well, it was easy. They sing.
1146
01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:15,363
And I had been
taking three other girls
on tour with me,
1147
01:00:15,363 --> 01:00:19,533
and I decided, "Why should I
take someone else's family
all over the world with me?"
1148
01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:21,535
# Watching Daddy dance #
1149
01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:24,663
Interviewer:
How important is it
for an international star,
1150
01:00:24,663 --> 01:00:27,750
someone like yourself,
how important is it
to have someone close to you?
1151
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:29,377
Well... it's very--
1152
01:00:29,377 --> 01:00:31,379
Well, I think it's important
for everyone to have someone,
1153
01:00:31,379 --> 01:00:33,923
but especially in my position,
there's always the threat of
1154
01:00:33,923 --> 01:00:36,759
whether someone loves you
for you or whether they love you
1155
01:00:36,759 --> 01:00:39,595
because of, uh, the advantage
1156
01:00:39,595 --> 01:00:41,430
of being with,
with a person like you.
1157
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:43,516
(scatting)
1158
01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:51,065
{\an8}Mary:
I didn't think about
singing with her.
1159
01:00:51,065 --> 01:00:53,567
{\an8}I just said, "Somebody has
to be out there with her."
1160
01:00:53,567 --> 01:00:55,236
{\an8}She gotta have
some family out there.
1161
01:00:55,236 --> 01:00:57,154
{\an8}There's no family out there.
1162
01:00:57,154 --> 01:01:00,533
They're going to chew her up
and spit her out.
1163
01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:03,994
("Hot Stuff"
by Donna Summer playing)
1164
01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:20,302
Mary:
It was really
an exciting time.
1165
01:01:20,302 --> 01:01:22,805
It was like being
on a roller coaster
1166
01:01:22,805 --> 01:01:25,182
that never took a pit stop.
1167
01:01:27,518 --> 01:01:30,438
(cheering and applause)
1168
01:01:30,438 --> 01:01:34,024
(singing) # Sittin' here eatin'
my heart out waitin' #
1169
01:01:34,024 --> 01:01:36,110
# Waitin' for
some lover to call #
1170
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:37,570
Whoa!
1171
01:01:37,570 --> 01:01:41,240
# Dialed about
a hundred numbers lately #
1172
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,784
# Almost rang the phone
off the wall #
1173
01:01:43,784 --> 01:01:47,746
# Lookin' for some hot stuff
baby, this evenin' #
1174
01:01:47,746 --> 01:01:51,125
# I need some hot stuff
baby, tonight #
1175
01:01:51,125 --> 01:01:55,713
# Give me a little hot stuff
baby, this evenin' #
1176
01:01:55,713 --> 01:01:57,381
# Gonna need your lovin' #
1177
01:01:57,381 --> 01:02:02,178
# I got to have
your love tonight #
1178
01:02:02,178 --> 01:02:04,430
# I need hot stuff #
1179
01:02:05,764 --> 01:02:09,018
# Lookin' for hot stuff #
1180
01:02:09,018 --> 01:02:12,688
# Gotta have hot stuff #
1181
01:02:12,688 --> 01:02:16,484
# Yeah! #
1182
01:02:16,484 --> 01:02:18,319
(song fades)
1183
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,988
- (rhythmic clapping)
- Whooo!
1184
01:02:20,988 --> 01:02:22,865
C'mon, let's boogie!
1185
01:02:28,662 --> 01:02:29,997
Donna:
I just wanted to say that
1186
01:02:29,997 --> 01:02:32,625
I think that we need
to address
1187
01:02:32,625 --> 01:02:34,502
my approach to singing.
1188
01:02:34,502 --> 01:02:37,046
I approach it as an actress.
1189
01:02:37,046 --> 01:02:39,632
I'm not trying to be me.
1190
01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:42,134
What I am there to do
is become the character
1191
01:02:42,134 --> 01:02:43,385
and then sing that song
1192
01:02:43,385 --> 01:02:45,804
in the context
of who that character is.
1193
01:02:45,804 --> 01:02:47,306
- (cheers and applause)
- Thank you.
1194
01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:49,225
("Last Dance"
by Donna Summer playing)
1195
01:02:49,225 --> 01:02:53,562
(singing)
# Last dance #
1196
01:02:53,562 --> 01:02:56,023
# Last chance #
1197
01:02:56,023 --> 01:03:00,444
# For love #
1198
01:03:03,614 --> 01:03:07,785
# Yes, it's my last chance #
1199
01:03:09,286 --> 01:03:11,664
# For romance #
1200
01:03:13,123 --> 01:03:17,253
# Tonight #
1201
01:03:20,464 --> 01:03:22,091
# I need you #
1202
01:03:24,969 --> 01:03:26,220
# By me #
1203
01:03:28,681 --> 01:03:31,725
# Beside me #
1204
01:03:31,725 --> 01:03:35,604
# To guide me #
1205
01:03:35,604 --> 01:03:38,148
# And to hold me #
1206
01:03:40,693 --> 01:03:43,237
# To scold me #
1207
01:03:43,237 --> 01:03:45,823
# 'Cause when I'm bad #
1208
01:03:45,823 --> 01:03:52,538
# I'm so, so bad #
1209
01:03:52,538 --> 01:03:55,124
# So let's dance #
1210
01:03:55,124 --> 01:03:57,251
# The last dance #
1211
01:03:57,251 --> 01:04:00,796
# Let's dance the last dance #
1212
01:04:00,796 --> 01:04:04,091
# Let's dance
the last dance #
1213
01:04:04,091 --> 01:04:07,678
# Tonight #
1214
01:04:07,678 --> 01:04:09,179
- # Last dance #
- Whoo!
1215
01:04:09,179 --> 01:04:12,766
# It's my last chance
for love #
1216
01:04:12,766 --> 01:04:14,059
Hi!
1217
01:04:14,059 --> 01:04:16,645
# Yes, it's my last chance #
1218
01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:20,733
# For romance tonight #
1219
01:04:20,733 --> 01:04:23,235
# Oh, oh, I need you #
1220
01:04:23,235 --> 01:04:25,112
# By me #
1221
01:04:25,112 --> 01:04:26,739
# Beside me #
1222
01:04:26,739 --> 01:04:28,324
# To guide me #
1223
01:04:28,324 --> 01:04:30,117
# And to hold me #
1224
01:04:30,117 --> 01:04:31,619
# To scold me #
1225
01:04:31,619 --> 01:04:35,664
# 'Cause when I'm bad
I'm so, so bad #
1226
01:04:35,664 --> 01:04:39,335
# So let's dance
the last dance #
1227
01:04:39,335 --> 01:04:42,880
# Let's dance the last dance #
1228
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,091
# Let's dance
the last dance #
1229
01:04:46,091 --> 01:04:50,512
# Tonight #
1230
01:04:50,512 --> 01:04:54,433
# Oh-ohhhh #
1231
01:04:54,433 --> 01:04:58,187
# Whooo-ooh-ooh-ooh! #
1232
01:04:58,187 --> 01:05:02,691
This album, Donna Summer,
"Once Upon a Time,"
1233
01:05:02,691 --> 01:05:07,863
has gotten probably the
best reviews of any new album
1234
01:05:07,863 --> 01:05:09,156
in the last ten years.
1235
01:05:09,156 --> 01:05:11,784
You, you can't believe them
when you read 'em.
1236
01:05:12,034 --> 01:05:13,202
They're fantastic.
1237
01:05:13,202 --> 01:05:15,037
It's what you call
a concept album.
1238
01:05:15,037 --> 01:05:16,538
It's a story.
1239
01:05:16,538 --> 01:05:18,415
And Donna Summer
rightly deserves them.
1240
01:05:18,415 --> 01:05:20,626
She's a phenomenon
in the record industry.
1241
01:05:20,626 --> 01:05:22,961
("I Love You"
by Donna Summer playing)
1242
01:05:26,548 --> 01:05:28,801
(singing) # Well, he searched
and searched #
1243
01:05:28,801 --> 01:05:30,219
# For nights and days #
1244
01:05:30,219 --> 01:05:33,972
# Till he found
the one he loved #
1245
01:05:33,972 --> 01:05:37,893
# And he wrapped her
in his arms again #
1246
01:05:37,893 --> 01:05:41,480
# And then he thanked
the stars above #
1247
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,317
# That he found
who he'd been looking for #
1248
01:05:45,317 --> 01:05:48,987
# And he stared her
in the eyes #
1249
01:05:48,987 --> 01:05:51,365
# He said "I love you" #
1250
01:05:51,365 --> 01:05:55,202
# I love you, I love you
I love you, I love you #
1251
01:05:55,202 --> 01:05:58,747
- # Yes, I do #
- # He said "I love you" #
1252
01:05:58,747 --> 01:06:03,335
# I love you, I love you
I do #
1253
01:06:07,673 --> 01:06:09,758
Donna:
We have this expression
in music called
1254
01:06:09,758 --> 01:06:11,260
"the voice within the voice,"
1255
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:14,388
and it's the way
you hear the note.
1256
01:06:15,139 --> 01:06:19,435
But there's that cry
that's in there that
touches the pain in you.
1257
01:06:19,435 --> 01:06:23,105
And even sometimes
if it's a happy song,
there's that cry in there
1258
01:06:23,105 --> 01:06:27,401
that maybe touches something
in you that's hidden
in that groaning place,
1259
01:06:27,401 --> 01:06:29,069
that place nobody can get to.
1260
01:06:30,362 --> 01:06:32,656
# She said "I love you" #
1261
01:06:32,656 --> 01:06:36,660
# I love you, I love you
I love you, I love you #
1262
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:40,080
- # Yes, I do #
- # Yes, I really do #
1263
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,084
# I love you, I love you
I love you, I love you #
1264
01:06:44,084 --> 01:06:45,252
# Yes, I do #
1265
01:06:45,252 --> 01:06:49,173
# They said "I love you" #
1266
01:06:49,173 --> 01:06:54,094
# Yes, I do #
1267
01:06:56,722 --> 01:06:59,016
It-It's so funny how
people write, you know?
1268
01:06:59,016 --> 01:07:01,602
And a lot of writers
write better under pressure.
1269
01:07:01,602 --> 01:07:02,978
I mean, under severe pressure.
1270
01:07:02,978 --> 01:07:05,939
Like it's got to be finished
yesterday, kind of pressure.
1271
01:07:05,939 --> 01:07:08,609
I prefer to work
in, in the way of concepts,
1272
01:07:08,609 --> 01:07:11,528
have an idea
and work it out to the end.
1273
01:07:11,528 --> 01:07:13,113
And, um,
1274
01:07:13,113 --> 01:07:15,949
after, you know, coming
from being the disco queen
1275
01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,993
to, you know,
to like, where am I now?
1276
01:07:17,993 --> 01:07:20,621
You know? What is my be--
my voice best suited for?
1277
01:07:20,621 --> 01:07:24,416
Um, you just have to try
a lot of things until
you find the right thing.
1278
01:07:24,416 --> 01:07:25,834
You have to keep going.
1279
01:07:25,834 --> 01:07:29,880
And I'm not-- I'm not a person
who has to sound like me.
1280
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,466
I don't care if people
know it's me in, in some way.
1281
01:07:32,466 --> 01:07:35,052
I mean, I don't care if they go,
"Oh, that's Donna Summer."
1282
01:07:35,052 --> 01:07:36,595
I kind of almost
don't want them to.
1283
01:07:36,595 --> 01:07:39,056
I want them to be surprised.
"That's Donna Summer?
1284
01:07:39,056 --> 01:07:41,099
Wow, man,
she sounds totally different."
1285
01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:43,685
I think that is using
your voice as an instrument.
1286
01:07:43,685 --> 01:07:46,355
- Interviewer: Do you wake up
in the middle of the night--
- Yes.
1287
01:07:46,355 --> 01:07:48,649
- And say, "Aha!
I've got an idea"?
- Yes.
1288
01:07:48,649 --> 01:07:51,026
Yes. Everywhere in the house,
papers, little scrap--
1289
01:07:51,026 --> 01:07:53,445
"Don't throw that away!
Oh, my God. What happened to--
1290
01:07:53,445 --> 01:07:56,240
Oh, what happened
to the Brillo box? What ha--"
You know?
1291
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,616
(band warming up)
1292
01:07:57,616 --> 01:08:00,285
- Donna: All right, let's do it.
- Bruce: Ready?
1293
01:08:00,285 --> 01:08:01,495
Donna:
How does it start?
1294
01:08:01,495 --> 01:08:02,538
"Electricity."
1295
01:08:02,538 --> 01:08:05,833
(singing) # Electricity... #
1296
01:08:05,833 --> 01:08:08,001
{\an8}Bruce:
We were just jamming.
1297
01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:12,798
{\an8}Roll tape,
set up the mics, headphones.
1298
01:08:12,798 --> 01:08:17,135
Bruce:
(falsetto) # I don't wanna be
the one to spoil the party #
1299
01:08:17,135 --> 01:08:19,388
Bruce:
You know, we would just flow.
1300
01:08:19,388 --> 01:08:20,889
We would pick up
one from the other.
1301
01:08:20,889 --> 01:08:24,142
We would add harmonies
when we find a little groove.
1302
01:08:24,142 --> 01:08:27,354
Bruce (singing):
# Electricity #
1303
01:08:27,354 --> 01:08:29,815
# Love that powers me #
1304
01:08:29,815 --> 01:08:34,862
# I don't ever want
this magic night to end #
1305
01:08:34,862 --> 01:08:40,701
# I don't know if I could
stop once we get started... #
1306
01:08:40,701 --> 01:08:43,704
It was never competitive.
1307
01:08:43,704 --> 01:08:49,543
You know,
it was completely respectful
of each other's gifts.
1308
01:08:49,543 --> 01:08:55,299
I was always in awe
of, um, Mommy's mind.
1309
01:08:56,508 --> 01:08:58,635
(scatting)
1310
01:09:00,721 --> 01:09:04,266
Bruce:
You know, because
of her persona, as, you know,
1311
01:09:04,266 --> 01:09:07,936
"Sex goddess,"
and "First Lady of Love,"
1312
01:09:07,936 --> 01:09:13,442
her artistry as a songwriter
got overlooked.
1313
01:09:13,442 --> 01:09:15,611
(rhythmic clapping)
1314
01:09:22,117 --> 01:09:23,410
(cheering)
1315
01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:26,413
("Dim All the Lights"
by Donna Summer playing)
1316
01:09:26,413 --> 01:09:32,502
(singing)
# Dim all the lights #
1317
01:09:35,213 --> 01:09:37,549
# Dim all the lights... #
1318
01:09:37,549 --> 01:09:39,176
Are you feelin' good?
1319
01:09:39,176 --> 01:09:41,261
(crowd cheering)
1320
01:09:41,261 --> 01:09:43,764
# ... Lights #
1321
01:09:44,222 --> 01:09:47,643
(cheers and applause)
1322
01:09:47,643 --> 01:09:50,479
# Dim all the lights
sweet darling #
1323
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,940
# 'Cause tonight
it's all the way #
1324
01:09:52,940 --> 01:09:57,069
# Hey, baby
turn up the old Victrola #
1325
01:09:57,069 --> 01:10:01,156
# Gonna dance
the night away... #
1326
01:10:01,782 --> 01:10:04,701
Bruce: "Dim All the Lights"
is a song that she wrote
by herself,
1327
01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:07,704
and a root issue
for Donna was
1328
01:10:07,704 --> 01:10:10,082
when "Dim All the Lights"
was out
1329
01:10:10,082 --> 01:10:16,254
and is flying up the charts
and it's in the top ten,
1330
01:10:16,254 --> 01:10:18,840
but Neil wants to release
"Enough is Enough."
1331
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,677
And Mommy says,
"No, please don't release
'Enough is Enough' yet.
1332
01:10:21,677 --> 01:10:25,097
Let's give
'Dim All the Lights' a chance
to go to number one."
1333
01:10:25,806 --> 01:10:28,976
{\an8}She just recorded a record
with Barbra Streisand,
1334
01:10:28,976 --> 01:10:32,187
{\an8}and, um, it will come out
October 15th.
1335
01:10:32,187 --> 01:10:34,314
{\an8}It's called "Enough is Enough."
1336
01:10:35,232 --> 01:10:37,192
- Tom Snyder: That's news, huh?
- That's news, yeah.
1337
01:10:37,192 --> 01:10:39,152
Fellow Guest:
You did it! You got it in.
1338
01:10:39,152 --> 01:10:40,445
(both laughing)
1339
01:10:40,445 --> 01:10:42,280
Tom:
You mean, that was
the whole reason--
1340
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,700
Is that the whole reason
you were here, huh?
1341
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:46,743
No, no, you know,
1342
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:48,412
just, uh,
I thought you'd like that.
1343
01:10:48,412 --> 01:10:51,164
("Enough is Enough"
by Donna Summer and
Barbra Streisand playing)
1344
01:10:51,164 --> 01:10:53,834
Donna (singing):
# Ah-ah-ah #
1345
01:10:53,834 --> 01:10:55,168
# Yeah... #
1346
01:11:00,048 --> 01:11:03,260
# Yeah... #
1347
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:06,763
# If you've had enough
don't put up with his stuff #
1348
01:11:06,763 --> 01:11:09,391
# Don't you do it #
1349
01:11:09,391 --> 01:11:11,268
Barbra (singing):
# Now, if you've
had your fill... #
1350
01:11:11,268 --> 01:11:13,145
Brooklyn:
Did she talk about that
1351
01:11:13,145 --> 01:11:14,896
situation with Casablanca?
1352
01:11:14,896 --> 01:11:17,774
{\an8}Mary:
For a long time, she
didn't actually believe it.
1353
01:11:17,774 --> 01:11:19,651
{\an8}Here are these people who you,
you know,
1354
01:11:19,651 --> 01:11:21,611
{\an8}you're working
with them, you love them.
1355
01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:23,864
You believe they have
your best interests at heart,
1356
01:11:23,864 --> 01:11:25,157
and they do,
1357
01:11:25,157 --> 01:11:28,410
because your best interest
is their best interest.
1358
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:31,705
But, but,
money changes people.
1359
01:11:31,705 --> 01:11:34,666
Bruce:
Neil disregarded that request
1360
01:11:34,666 --> 01:11:36,710
and "Enough is Enough"
came out
1361
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:39,755
and "Dim All the Lights"
peaked at number two.
1362
01:11:39,755 --> 01:11:44,051
And I think that was
the initial feeling of,
1363
01:11:44,051 --> 01:11:45,177
"This is not right."
1364
01:11:45,177 --> 01:11:47,262
Maybe this is
running its course.
1365
01:11:48,055 --> 01:11:50,807
{\an8}(playing piano)
1366
01:12:03,987 --> 01:12:08,658
{\an8}(singing) # Two kids hanging
in an alleyway #
1367
01:12:08,658 --> 01:12:11,036
{\an8}# Talking 'bout the money #
1368
01:12:11,036 --> 01:12:13,789
{\an8}# That they just found #
1369
01:12:17,501 --> 01:12:22,297
{\an8}# Mommy's all worried
trying to make a way #
1370
01:12:22,297 --> 01:12:26,426
{\an8}# But Daddy is gone
to tell them how #
1371
01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:30,680
{\an8}# And it's high time #
1372
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,308
{\an8}# That we make a change #
1373
01:12:33,308 --> 01:12:35,602
{\an8}# And it's high time #
1374
01:12:35,602 --> 01:12:40,482
{\an8}# That we start
to rearrange it all #
1375
01:12:40,482 --> 01:12:42,609
{\an8}(telephone ringing)
1376
01:12:47,155 --> 01:12:50,283
{\an8}Hello? Hello, who is this?
1377
01:12:50,283 --> 01:12:52,661
{\an8}Hi. All right.
1378
01:12:55,372 --> 01:12:57,124
{\an8}That's bullshit.
1379
01:12:59,501 --> 01:13:01,962
{\an8}He's profiting by me.
1380
01:13:01,962 --> 01:13:04,589
{\an8}And I can be unhappy
only so long.
1381
01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:07,676
{\an8}(tense music playing)
1382
01:13:08,593 --> 01:13:13,515
Donna:
The record business is really
like being raped and abused
1383
01:13:13,515 --> 01:13:15,517
over and over again
1384
01:13:15,517 --> 01:13:17,978
because the element
of your sensitivity
1385
01:13:17,978 --> 01:13:20,856
is beaten up on
and stepped on.
1386
01:13:22,691 --> 01:13:25,318
I wasn't justly compensated
for what I had done.
1387
01:13:25,318 --> 01:13:26,570
I had sold millions of records
1388
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:29,239
and not been paid for them
at that point.
1389
01:13:33,618 --> 01:13:36,246
Bruce:
We were involved from '79
1390
01:13:36,246 --> 01:13:40,041
in a lawsuit
with Casablanca Records
1391
01:13:40,041 --> 01:13:43,545
because they were
taking advantage.
1392
01:13:44,254 --> 01:13:46,089
Brooklyn:
How significant was it
1393
01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:50,552
for particularly a Black woman
of that time to sue a label?
1394
01:13:50,552 --> 01:13:54,389
Bruce:
Certainly a high-profile
situation
1395
01:13:54,389 --> 01:13:57,684
because it was right
at the top of her career.
1396
01:13:58,143 --> 01:14:00,520
We went through
a major lawsuit,
1397
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:01,938
and we settled,
1398
01:14:01,938 --> 01:14:04,065
and she went on
to be the first artist
1399
01:14:04,065 --> 01:14:06,276
signed to Geffen Records.
1400
01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:08,778
{\an8}Good boy.
1401
01:14:08,778 --> 01:14:11,531
{\an8}Bruce:
Come into the light
a little bit, Donnie.
1402
01:14:15,952 --> 01:14:19,206
(in British accent)
Well, this really isn't
one of my better days...
1403
01:14:19,206 --> 01:14:20,790
Bruce:
Can you get
right in the light?
1404
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:22,334
Get your face
right in the light.
1405
01:14:22,334 --> 01:14:24,961
- Huh?
- Bruce: I want to see you,
get in the light.
1406
01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:28,006
- There we go.
- You could have filmed--
1407
01:14:28,006 --> 01:14:30,592
- (baby babbling)
- Is my face breaking out
over here?
1408
01:14:30,592 --> 01:14:32,928
Bruce: I don't know,
I'm not looking that close.
1409
01:14:32,928 --> 01:14:36,431
- Donna: No, go back, go back.
- Bruce: What's the matter?
1410
01:14:37,057 --> 01:14:38,391
Say hi!
1411
01:14:38,391 --> 01:14:39,601
- Hi!
- Hi.
1412
01:14:39,601 --> 01:14:41,728
Donna:
Do "Hard for the Money."
1413
01:14:41,728 --> 01:14:42,979
(sings softly)
# Hard for the money #
1414
01:14:42,979 --> 01:14:44,522
Donna:
Sing it loud.
1415
01:14:44,522 --> 01:14:48,568
- (sings louder)
# Hard for the money! #
- Good.
1416
01:14:48,568 --> 01:14:51,905
(singing) # She works
hard for the money #
1417
01:14:51,905 --> 01:14:54,783
- # So hard for it, honey #
- Young Brooklyn: Hi.
1418
01:14:54,783 --> 01:14:57,452
- Bruce: Hi.
- # I work hard for my money #
1419
01:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,664
# So you better
treat me right #
1420
01:15:00,664 --> 01:15:02,624
- # All right #
- (Young Brooklyn giggles)
1421
01:15:02,624 --> 01:15:06,378
# I work hard, hard
hard for my money #
1422
01:15:06,378 --> 01:15:09,589
# Hard, hard,
hard for it, honey #
1423
01:15:09,589 --> 01:15:11,007
Hard for my money #
1424
01:15:11,007 --> 01:15:14,094
# S o you better
treat me right #
1425
01:15:14,094 --> 01:15:15,470
# All right #
1426
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:19,140
# She works hard
for the money #
1427
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:22,602
# So hard for it, honey #
1428
01:15:22,602 --> 01:15:24,646
# She works hard
for the money #
1429
01:15:24,646 --> 01:15:27,691
# So you better
treat her right #
1430
01:15:27,691 --> 01:15:29,276
{\an8}Mary:
"She Works Hard
for the Money."
1431
01:15:29,276 --> 01:15:32,153
{\an8}It comes along
at the right time for women.
1432
01:15:32,153 --> 01:15:35,615
It was kind of like
a woman's empowerment song.
1433
01:15:35,615 --> 01:15:37,909
She was speaking
to the worker.
1434
01:15:37,909 --> 01:15:39,953
# So you better
treat her right #
1435
01:15:39,953 --> 01:15:41,454
Donna:
It was the night
of the Grammys
1436
01:15:41,454 --> 01:15:42,998
and we were in Los Angeles.
1437
01:15:42,998 --> 01:15:46,626
I was on my way
into the ladies' room
with my manager.
1438
01:15:46,626 --> 01:15:49,421
As I walked in,
there was this little lady
sitting in the corner.
1439
01:15:49,421 --> 01:15:51,923
This sweet woman here
was sound asleep.
1440
01:15:51,923 --> 01:15:53,883
And I looked at her
and I thought to myself,
1441
01:15:53,883 --> 01:15:56,720
"Wow, she works hard
for the money."
1442
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,054
And I thought it again
to myself,
1443
01:15:58,054 --> 01:15:59,848
"She works
hard for the money."
1444
01:15:59,848 --> 01:16:02,350
And I thought,
"She works hard for the money.
1445
01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:03,810
She works hard for the money."
1446
01:16:03,810 --> 01:16:05,937
And I thought, "Wow, that's it,
1447
01:16:05,937 --> 01:16:08,023
that's a song, Susan.
I'm going to sit down
and write it."
1448
01:16:08,023 --> 01:16:09,649
So I went in the other room
and I sat right there
1449
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:10,734
and I started writing it.
1450
01:16:10,734 --> 01:16:12,360
She didn't even know
anything about it.
1451
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,363
- Not until much later. Right?
- Right. That's true.
1452
01:16:15,363 --> 01:16:17,157
{\an8}I, I say it's wonderful,
believe me.
1453
01:16:17,157 --> 01:16:19,743
{\an8}It's like a fairy tale to me,
I can't believe it.
1454
01:16:19,743 --> 01:16:20,827
{\an8}I really can't.
1455
01:16:20,827 --> 01:16:22,287
Interviewer:
You seem very proud.
1456
01:16:22,287 --> 01:16:24,289
I am. I'm very proud.
1457
01:16:24,289 --> 01:16:27,625
{\an8}("She Works Hard for the Money"
by Donna Summer playing)
1458
01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,214
{\an8}Susan:
She was the first
female Black artist
1459
01:16:33,214 --> 01:16:36,217
{\an8}to ever have a video on MTV.
1460
01:16:38,303 --> 01:16:40,472
(singing) # She works hard
for the money #
1461
01:16:41,806 --> 01:16:44,017
# So hard for it, honey #
1462
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:47,312
# She works hard
for the money #
1463
01:16:47,312 --> 01:16:49,439
# So you better
treat her right #
1464
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,024
When people come up to you,
1465
01:16:51,024 --> 01:16:54,152
what song do they most
identify you with?
1466
01:16:54,152 --> 01:16:55,862
Is it still
"Love to Love You Baby"
1467
01:16:55,862 --> 01:16:58,031
in, in spite
of everything you've done?
1468
01:16:58,031 --> 01:17:00,033
- "Hard for the Money."
- "Hard for the Money"?
1469
01:17:00,033 --> 01:17:02,619
- The women, the women.
- (audience applauding)
1470
01:17:07,791 --> 01:17:09,751
- And the men?
- The men-- (laughs)
1471
01:17:09,751 --> 01:17:12,337
The men, yeah, uh,
"Love to Love You, Baby,"
probably.
1472
01:17:12,337 --> 01:17:14,547
They go, (in cartoon voice)
"Oh, I just remember
when you sang that song,
1473
01:17:14,547 --> 01:17:16,132
ooh, what was it?" You know?
1474
01:17:16,132 --> 01:17:19,594
- They start-- Their bodies start
moving like this, I go--
- Yeah.
1475
01:17:19,594 --> 01:17:22,889
- (applause)
- (Arsenio laughs)
1476
01:17:22,889 --> 01:17:26,142
I've got to fan myself now.
Whoo!
1477
01:17:26,142 --> 01:17:28,395
(bluesy piano playing)
1478
01:17:31,064 --> 01:17:34,526
Donna:
My life just sort of
started to quiet down.
1479
01:17:35,485 --> 01:17:39,989
One of the things
that happened was
that I, I married Bruce.
1480
01:17:40,573 --> 01:17:45,578
It was also this time
when I started becoming
the most spiritual.
1481
01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:48,081
I had to make a decision
about being a mother
1482
01:17:48,081 --> 01:17:50,417
and how much a mother
I was going to be.
1483
01:17:52,585 --> 01:17:54,129
{\an8}There's just nothing
in my life
1484
01:17:54,129 --> 01:17:55,880
that was worth
more to me than my jewels.
1485
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,467
My children are my jewels
and my husband and my family.
1486
01:17:59,467 --> 01:18:03,096
I love to perform,
you know, and that's
extremely important,
1487
01:18:03,096 --> 01:18:06,349
but it doesn't bring me
what they bring me.
1488
01:18:11,563 --> 01:18:14,691
{\an8}Amanda:
The ranch was
the dream childhood.
1489
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:23,491
It was 56 acres of dirt roads,
horses and pigs and cows.
1490
01:18:23,491 --> 01:18:27,704
It was full of imagination
and fun and adventure.
1491
01:18:27,704 --> 01:18:31,124
It was kind of the best
possible place to grow up.
1492
01:18:31,124 --> 01:18:35,336
Johnny Mathis (sings on record):
# Together, together #
1493
01:18:35,336 --> 01:18:38,381
# Together
together... #
1494
01:18:38,381 --> 01:18:41,968
Amanda:
I just remember
by the time I was born
1495
01:18:41,968 --> 01:18:46,055
that family was kind of
the most important thing.
1496
01:18:46,055 --> 01:18:49,309
The fame was kind of
like an offshoot.
1497
01:18:49,309 --> 01:18:52,479
Johnny Mathis (on record):
# Walking in
a winter wonderland #
1498
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:53,688
# Gone away... #
1499
01:18:53,688 --> 01:18:55,815
Amanda:
She was always performing.
1500
01:18:55,815 --> 01:18:59,652
She lived in
an imaginary musical
at all times.
1501
01:18:59,652 --> 01:19:03,364
# To sing a love song
as we go along #
1502
01:19:03,364 --> 01:19:06,951
Mathis (on record): # Walking
in a winter wonderland #
1503
01:19:06,951 --> 01:19:11,164
{\an8}# Walking in
a winter wonderland #
1504
01:19:11,164 --> 01:19:14,751
{\an8}# Winter wonder
winter wonderland #
1505
01:19:14,751 --> 01:19:20,173
{\an8}- # Winter wonder
wonder wonderland #
- (Donna mouths along)
1506
01:19:20,173 --> 01:19:22,342
{\an8}# #
1507
01:19:22,342 --> 01:19:23,510
{\an8}(song ends)
1508
01:19:26,638 --> 01:19:29,265
{\an8}Mary:
I like Bruce.
I-I liked him a lot.
1509
01:19:29,265 --> 01:19:33,102
{\an8}When they got together,
they wrote amazing music,
1510
01:19:33,102 --> 01:19:36,272
{\an8}and I felt like
there was like,
1511
01:19:36,272 --> 01:19:39,108
this love connection
that was deep.
1512
01:19:39,108 --> 01:19:42,695
But they were just, that
was just a bumpy damn ride.
1513
01:19:42,695 --> 01:19:45,365
They were like
oil and vinegar.
1514
01:19:45,365 --> 01:19:48,868
But they came together
and made salad dressing!
1515
01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:54,874
Bruce:
My recollection
of our relationship early on
1516
01:19:54,874 --> 01:19:57,794
was that it was volatile.
1517
01:19:57,794 --> 01:19:59,587
We were young.
1518
01:19:59,587 --> 01:20:02,423
We were both confident,
cocky, aggressive,
1519
01:20:02,423 --> 01:20:04,425
a little stupid,
1520
01:20:04,425 --> 01:20:06,052
passionate.
1521
01:20:06,052 --> 01:20:08,054
Coming from
two different cultures,
1522
01:20:08,054 --> 01:20:10,765
not understanding
each other's cultures.
1523
01:20:12,892 --> 01:20:14,978
We were fire.
1524
01:20:14,978 --> 01:20:17,522
In public screaming
at each other,
1525
01:20:17,522 --> 01:20:20,275
"You can't
fucking talk to me like--"
1526
01:20:20,275 --> 01:20:22,944
(inaudibly speaking)
1527
01:20:27,991 --> 01:20:30,952
{\an8}Mimi:
I just remember
that they had had a fight
1528
01:20:30,952 --> 01:20:32,912
{\an8}like throwing pots.
1529
01:20:32,912 --> 01:20:36,374
And at that point Mom
had already called the cops.
1530
01:20:36,374 --> 01:20:40,044
And we all went
to my grandmother's house.
1531
01:20:47,844 --> 01:20:50,513
I remember wanting to, like,
1532
01:20:51,639 --> 01:20:54,726
run and protect her.
1533
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:57,687
And I've done that before.
1534
01:21:01,441 --> 01:21:05,903
I was dealing with
a lot of my own abuse.
1535
01:21:07,697 --> 01:21:10,158
We'd be at the house
and stuff would happen there.
1536
01:21:10,158 --> 01:21:15,955
And it was someone related to
our housekeeper. (indistinct)
1537
01:21:18,082 --> 01:21:19,876
I would often be out
in the fields
1538
01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:24,547
because I didn't want
to be any place that
I could be trapped.
1539
01:21:27,759 --> 01:21:30,219
It was traumatic for me
to leave my grandparents
1540
01:21:30,219 --> 01:21:33,556
and go there because I knew
what might be in store.
1541
01:21:36,392 --> 01:21:38,353
It wasn't until I was
11 and a half, 12,
1542
01:21:38,353 --> 01:21:42,482
when I finally
sort of moved in full time.
1543
01:21:43,358 --> 01:21:46,110
{\an8}And I'll have to be honest,
the only reason I stayed,
1544
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:47,320
{\an8}was because of you guys.
1545
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,323
{\an8}I said, "I can't leave
Brooklyn and Amanda."
1546
01:21:50,323 --> 01:21:52,450
Brooklyn:
I didn't know that, Mim'.
1547
01:21:53,076 --> 01:21:54,035
(sniffles)
1548
01:21:58,748 --> 01:21:59,707
(sniffles)
1549
01:22:02,794 --> 01:22:04,671
(exhales, sniffles)
1550
01:22:07,423 --> 01:22:10,134
(pensive music playing)
1551
01:22:10,134 --> 01:22:15,306
Mimi:
I had a lot of pent-up anger
and resentment.
1552
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:19,977
I always had to be so careful
because she's Donna Summer.
1553
01:22:19,977 --> 01:22:22,939
And what if I say something
and then it gets out?
1554
01:22:26,109 --> 01:22:30,363
When I finally told Ma,
I was 19, I think.
1555
01:22:30,363 --> 01:22:33,366
Mom, she hyperventilated.
1556
01:22:33,366 --> 01:22:35,535
Uh, had to leave the room.
1557
01:22:35,535 --> 01:22:38,830
# #
1558
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:41,457
You know, In order for you
to really communicate
with somebody
1559
01:22:41,457 --> 01:22:42,750
and talk to them
heart-to-heart,
1560
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:44,419
you have to really
be vulnerable,
1561
01:22:44,419 --> 01:22:48,673
and I think Mommy had
a hard time being vulnerable.
1562
01:22:48,673 --> 01:22:50,466
(inaudibly speaking)
1563
01:22:51,342 --> 01:22:54,429
Bruce:
It was a difficult thing for
Mommy to deal with with Mimi
1564
01:22:54,429 --> 01:22:56,222
because of her own situation.
1565
01:22:56,222 --> 01:23:01,185
The sexual abuse and her own,
maybe, sense of failing.
1566
01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,312
I mean, I felt it.
How? How could I?
1567
01:23:03,312 --> 01:23:07,442
How did I as Dad
allow this to happen?
1568
01:23:08,693 --> 01:23:11,404
Brooklyn:
But I don't think you ever
said that to Mimi.
1569
01:23:12,697 --> 01:23:15,616
Bruce:
Probably not.
Yeah, probably not.
1570
01:23:17,577 --> 01:23:22,540
# #
1571
01:23:33,176 --> 01:23:35,428
Brooklyn:
These are all signed.
1572
01:23:38,347 --> 01:23:39,974
Mimi:
I always felt like
when she was painting,
1573
01:23:39,974 --> 01:23:43,227
she was, like,
really in her space.
1574
01:23:43,227 --> 01:23:44,562
Whatever she was
feeling that day
1575
01:23:44,562 --> 01:23:46,272
would come out
on the canvas
1576
01:23:46,272 --> 01:23:48,733
and really helped her
to release a lot of
whatever anxiety
1577
01:23:48,733 --> 01:23:51,736
and tension and whatever else
that she was feeling.
1578
01:23:55,031 --> 01:23:57,450
("On the Radio"
by Donna Summer playing)
1579
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:04,957
Donna:
I was inspired by my children.
1580
01:24:04,957 --> 01:24:06,626
There was color around me.
1581
01:24:06,626 --> 01:24:08,252
I started finding my way back
1582
01:24:08,252 --> 01:24:11,005
to other creative aspects
of my own personality.
1583
01:24:11,005 --> 01:24:15,843
# Someone found the letter
you wrote me on the radio #
1584
01:24:18,221 --> 01:24:22,558
# And they told the world
just how you felt #
1585
01:24:25,102 --> 01:24:27,772
# It must have fallen out
of a hole #
1586
01:24:27,772 --> 01:24:31,567
# In your old brown overcoat #
1587
01:24:32,693 --> 01:24:34,362
# They never said your name #
1588
01:24:34,362 --> 01:24:37,281
# But I knew
just who they meant #
1589
01:24:37,281 --> 01:24:40,409
Donna:
You know, when I go on stage,
I don't go home with anything.
1590
01:24:40,409 --> 01:24:41,994
I go home empty-handed.
1591
01:24:41,994 --> 01:24:45,164
But when I paint,
I have a tangible product
1592
01:24:45,164 --> 01:24:48,918
that's the direct result
of my solo effort.
1593
01:24:48,918 --> 01:24:50,378
The agents aren't talking,
1594
01:24:50,378 --> 01:24:53,714
the record company isn't
saying, "These songs suck."
1595
01:24:53,714 --> 01:24:56,884
So creatively, I am completely
free to be myself.
1596
01:24:56,884 --> 01:25:00,555
# ...just how I've
been feeling over you #
1597
01:25:00,555 --> 01:25:03,599
Talk Show Host:
When you first appeared in
this country, many critics said,
1598
01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:06,185
"Ah, one song,
she'll be gone soon."
1599
01:25:06,185 --> 01:25:08,396
And you have outlasted
many of those critics.
1600
01:25:08,396 --> 01:25:10,815
How much satisfaction
do you take in having,
1601
01:25:10,815 --> 01:25:12,650
uh, turned their
predictions wrong?
1602
01:25:12,650 --> 01:25:14,861
Well, it's great to, you know,
1603
01:25:14,861 --> 01:25:17,405
to succeed when others
are not on your side.
1604
01:25:17,405 --> 01:25:19,574
It's even greater to know
that God's on your side
1605
01:25:19,574 --> 01:25:21,325
and nobody can be against you
when he is.
1606
01:25:21,325 --> 01:25:22,702
You know?
I think that's what--
1607
01:25:22,702 --> 01:25:24,328
I've always been
very strong in faith.
1608
01:25:24,328 --> 01:25:28,624
And, um, I mean,
the possibilities of
of a Black girl from Boston
1609
01:25:28,624 --> 01:25:30,918
going to Germany,
becoming successful
1610
01:25:30,918 --> 01:25:34,922
in the American pop field
is like a million-to-one shot.
1611
01:25:34,922 --> 01:25:38,467
Donna (singing):
# The sun is shining #
1612
01:25:38,467 --> 01:25:43,097
# Lord, for me each day #
1613
01:25:43,097 --> 01:25:47,393
# 'Cause I found the answer #
1614
01:25:47,393 --> 01:25:51,814
# And I learned #
1615
01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:56,360
# To #
1616
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:01,407
# Pray... #
1617
01:26:01,407 --> 01:26:03,284
{\an8}(praying softly)
1618
01:26:03,284 --> 01:26:06,204
{\an8}- Woman: Yes, Jesus.
- Let my cup overflow.
1619
01:26:06,204 --> 01:26:09,040
{\an8}- Let our cups overflow.
- Woman: Praise God.
Thank you, Jesus.
1620
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,584
{\an8}Oh, God, in Jesus' name,
praise God.
1621
01:26:11,584 --> 01:26:13,169
{\an8}All: Amen!
1622
01:26:13,169 --> 01:26:15,087
Interviewer:
How did you become a Christian?
1623
01:26:15,087 --> 01:26:17,632
How did that,
how did it happen?
1624
01:26:17,632 --> 01:26:19,091
How did it happen?
1625
01:26:19,091 --> 01:26:20,801
(deep voice)
It happened one day. (laughs)
1626
01:26:20,801 --> 01:26:23,304
- It kind of happens to people.
- It happens, yeah. You know,
1627
01:26:23,304 --> 01:26:26,349
I think people get to a place
in their lives where,
1628
01:26:26,349 --> 01:26:28,935
especially
when you are successful
1629
01:26:28,935 --> 01:26:30,811
and you,
and you've reached your goals,
1630
01:26:30,811 --> 01:26:34,106
and you realize that there's
nothing there, it's empty.
1631
01:26:34,106 --> 01:26:37,151
It's the same old room.
It could be anywhere
in the world.
1632
01:26:37,151 --> 01:26:39,487
It could be
with anyone in the world.
1633
01:26:39,487 --> 01:26:40,529
It could be the same meal.
1634
01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:41,906
It can be the same
million coats,
1635
01:26:41,906 --> 01:26:43,699
it could be
a million diamond rings.
1636
01:26:43,699 --> 01:26:45,076
It doesn't mean anything.
1637
01:26:45,076 --> 01:26:48,579
You know, you get to a point
where you realize that, um,
1638
01:26:48,579 --> 01:26:50,623
what happens after this?
1639
01:26:53,793 --> 01:26:55,962
{\an8}Bruce:
The born again?
1640
01:26:55,962 --> 01:26:59,548
{\an8}As extreme as I might
have been thinking
1641
01:26:59,548 --> 01:27:01,801
{\an8}at the time that it was,
1642
01:27:01,801 --> 01:27:04,929
it benefited Donna.
1643
01:27:06,389 --> 01:27:11,227
That little church girl was
foundational to who she was.
1644
01:27:11,936 --> 01:27:15,731
All these things
that she had been carrying
1645
01:27:15,731 --> 01:27:18,776
from being abused by a pastor
when you were a young girl.
1646
01:27:18,776 --> 01:27:23,406
This struggle of God
and man and sex.
1647
01:27:23,406 --> 01:27:26,075
Religion and spirituality
1648
01:27:26,075 --> 01:27:28,995
brought her a great amount
of peace.
1649
01:27:31,747 --> 01:27:33,082
In the last few years,
1650
01:27:33,082 --> 01:27:38,546
uh, my life has changed, drastically.
1651
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:43,009
It has changed in a way
that I would like
to share with you.
1652
01:27:43,009 --> 01:27:46,846
See, about three years ago,
I gave my life to Jesus Christ.
1653
01:27:46,846 --> 01:27:49,432
(audience cheering)
1654
01:27:49,432 --> 01:27:54,061
And, no, no, no, no,
I'm not ashamed to tell it.
1655
01:27:56,105 --> 01:27:57,523
(singing "Forgive Me")
1656
01:27:57,523 --> 01:28:00,568
# Every day #
1657
01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:07,992
# I give you
a reason to cry #
1658
01:28:09,452 --> 01:28:15,750
# Because I see the hurt
in your eyes #
1659
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:18,210
# But stronger yet #
1660
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:23,090
# I see the love
that shines #
1661
01:28:23,090 --> 01:28:24,925
Bruce:
Brooklyn, you know Mommy.
1662
01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:28,846
Whenever she got
into anything, it was 110%.
1663
01:28:28,846 --> 01:28:32,683
And then she would want
to share it with everybody.
1664
01:28:33,309 --> 01:28:35,519
{\an8}Bob Conti:
Not everybody wanted
to hear a sermon,
1665
01:28:35,519 --> 01:28:37,313
{\an8}not everybody wanted
to be preached to.
1666
01:28:37,313 --> 01:28:39,815
{\an8}People wanted to dance
and party.
1667
01:28:50,117 --> 01:28:52,244
(cheering and applause)
1668
01:28:56,665 --> 01:28:57,750
Yeah!
1669
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:59,251
All right!
1670
01:28:59,251 --> 01:29:00,878
(laughs)
1671
01:29:00,878 --> 01:29:02,296
Whoo!
1672
01:29:02,296 --> 01:29:04,840
(mimics disgruntled fan)
Where's that girl,
where's that girl, huh?
1673
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,844
I paid $12 for this ticket
and I want her to work
for it, right?
1674
01:29:08,844 --> 01:29:10,221
(drum beats)
1675
01:29:12,056 --> 01:29:16,811
Don't you realize that I had
two children in two years?
1676
01:29:16,811 --> 01:29:19,313
- I work so hard.
- (man whistles)
1677
01:29:19,313 --> 01:29:21,607
{\an8}Bruce:
Donna had very loose parameters
1678
01:29:21,607 --> 01:29:24,401
{\an8}of a script of how
her show was going to go.
1679
01:29:24,401 --> 01:29:27,488
There was certain patter
that she knew worked
1680
01:29:27,488 --> 01:29:29,281
that she would use
night after night,
1681
01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:32,159
but she was also
spontaneous in the moment.
1682
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:33,953
("Woman"
by Donna Summer playing)
1683
01:29:33,953 --> 01:29:35,621
(singing) # Woman #
1684
01:29:35,621 --> 01:29:37,790
- # Woman #
- # Treat that man real good #
1685
01:29:37,790 --> 01:29:40,626
Bruce:
She could make a comment
about something in the news,
1686
01:29:40,626 --> 01:29:43,796
the color of the shirt
of the guy in the front row.
1687
01:29:43,796 --> 01:29:46,173
But now she says this thing,
1688
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:48,175
"God didn't make
Adam and Steve,
1689
01:29:48,175 --> 01:29:49,552
he made Adam and Eve."
1690
01:29:49,552 --> 01:29:51,762
- # God, he made the woman #
- Woman: Yes, he did.
1691
01:29:51,762 --> 01:29:53,514
# God, he made the man #
1692
01:29:53,514 --> 01:29:55,099
Bruce:
And this was a comment
1693
01:29:55,099 --> 01:29:57,685
that was devastating
to many in the gay community.
1694
01:29:57,685 --> 01:30:00,604
- (audience cheering)
- (somber music plays)
1695
01:30:01,772 --> 01:30:04,608
{\an8}David M.:
The Adam and Steve thing.
I find it insulting.
1696
01:30:04,608 --> 01:30:06,318
It was like,
I couldn't believe
1697
01:30:06,318 --> 01:30:09,029
that she would have said that.
1698
01:30:09,029 --> 01:30:11,157
(somber music continues)
1699
01:30:11,157 --> 01:30:14,660
For me, the relationship
that I had with your mom
1700
01:30:14,660 --> 01:30:17,037
was really through her music,
1701
01:30:17,037 --> 01:30:18,497
the songs that we all
came out to.
1702
01:30:18,497 --> 01:30:21,584
And as a gay man,
it rubbed me the wrong way.
1703
01:30:21,584 --> 01:30:24,503
And I thought, I don't need
to support this anymore.
1704
01:30:28,757 --> 01:30:30,217
{\an8}Mary:
A lot of gay people
already feel
1705
01:30:30,217 --> 01:30:32,428
{\an8}like the church hates them.
1706
01:30:32,970 --> 01:30:35,890
And so what happened was
there was another mindset.
1707
01:30:35,890 --> 01:30:39,602
"Oh, she became one of those,
those people who hate us."
1708
01:30:39,602 --> 01:30:43,105
Their perception of what
they thought she meant,
1709
01:30:43,105 --> 01:30:46,525
it was like,
"You shouldn't exist."
1710
01:30:48,777 --> 01:30:51,614
Bruce:
At some point, I think
we made a wrong decision
1711
01:30:51,614 --> 01:30:54,116
and that decision
was not to respond.
1712
01:30:54,116 --> 01:30:57,036
We kind of figured,
"Oh, it'll go away."
1713
01:30:57,828 --> 01:31:00,873
But it didn't go away and,
and we had to pay that price.
1714
01:31:00,873 --> 01:31:05,169
And, and, uh,
it-it was a big price to pay.
1715
01:31:07,004 --> 01:31:09,173
Brooklyn:
What happened
with this comment?
1716
01:31:09,173 --> 01:31:14,053
Bruce:
Well, at some point
it went from this comment
1717
01:31:14,053 --> 01:31:16,263
into Mommy supposedly saying
1718
01:31:16,263 --> 01:31:19,767
that AIDS was
God's punishment on gays,
1719
01:31:19,767 --> 01:31:22,144
and that just
was never the case.
1720
01:31:23,103 --> 01:31:26,482
(crowd chanting indistinctly)
1721
01:31:35,532 --> 01:31:36,825
{\an8}Bobby Stewart:
I remember a situation
1722
01:31:36,825 --> 01:31:39,161
{\an8}that she was doing
an art event in Chicago.
1723
01:31:39,161 --> 01:31:41,747
{\an8}Protestors (chanting):
We're here, we're queer!
1724
01:31:41,747 --> 01:31:43,958
Bobby:
The Act Up people,
their intent was to go in
1725
01:31:43,958 --> 01:31:45,709
and destroy
all the art exhibit.
1726
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:48,462
And Act Up was adamant
about saying, "Well, listen,
1727
01:31:48,462 --> 01:31:51,090
"this is a person that
we loved and adored
1728
01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:52,633
"and supported,
1729
01:31:52,633 --> 01:31:55,135
and she turned
her back on us."
1730
01:31:57,972 --> 01:32:01,642
{\an8}Mimi:
I remember people
were canceling shows.
1731
01:32:01,642 --> 01:32:03,686
It was definitely
a strain on her.
1732
01:32:03,686 --> 01:32:06,230
It was a time when I think
she really had to learn
1733
01:32:06,230 --> 01:32:07,982
to rely on faith.
1734
01:32:08,565 --> 01:32:11,026
{\an8}Mary:
That hurt her the most
because she felt like,
1735
01:32:11,026 --> 01:32:13,320
{\an8}"They're going to think
I really said those things.
1736
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,074
They're going to think I feel
that way about them
and I don't."
1737
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:26,959
The magazine stated that I said
homosexuals were sinners
1738
01:32:26,959 --> 01:32:29,378
and AIDS was a divine ruling.
1739
01:32:29,878 --> 01:32:32,673
That is completely false.
1740
01:32:32,673 --> 01:32:35,801
I did not say it.
I do not believe that.
1741
01:32:37,094 --> 01:32:39,763
I would never say
the things attributed to me
1742
01:32:39,763 --> 01:32:41,390
in that article.
1743
01:32:42,933 --> 01:32:45,728
Bruce:
These were people
that she loved.
1744
01:32:45,728 --> 01:32:47,354
And for her to be viewed
1745
01:32:47,354 --> 01:32:50,441
as somebody who would
cause them more pain,
1746
01:32:50,816 --> 01:32:54,403
it's something I-I don't think
she ever got over.
1747
01:33:02,244 --> 01:33:04,330
(waves crashing)
1748
01:33:18,385 --> 01:33:20,846
Brooklyn:
Do you feel that Mom
1749
01:33:20,846 --> 01:33:24,308
came to terms with her life?
1750
01:33:25,893 --> 01:33:28,896
The struggles, the fear,
the insecurity?
1751
01:33:31,357 --> 01:33:33,901
Mimi:
I don't know if she
came to terms fully.
1752
01:33:33,901 --> 01:33:36,528
I mean, I think
she was getting better.
1753
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:39,615
When you're holding
a mirror up to yourself
and you're getting to see
1754
01:33:39,615 --> 01:33:42,701
all these avenues of, like,
an extension of yourself,
1755
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,829
your children kind of
growing and flourishing,
1756
01:33:45,829 --> 01:33:47,915
that brings something
out of you,
1757
01:33:47,915 --> 01:33:51,043
and it makes you have
to address certain things.
1758
01:33:51,043 --> 01:33:52,753
So I think she was
getting there.
1759
01:33:52,753 --> 01:33:55,672
I think she was working
through certain things.
1760
01:33:58,675 --> 01:34:01,553
(singing)
1761
01:34:01,553 --> 01:34:03,597
# Ahhhh #
1762
01:34:03,597 --> 01:34:04,765
Bruce:
Yeah, baby.
1763
01:34:04,765 --> 01:34:07,601
(deep voice)
Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby.
1764
01:34:07,601 --> 01:34:11,855
Donna:
I can see the shape
of the world.
1765
01:34:11,855 --> 01:34:13,273
Planet Earth below.
1766
01:34:13,273 --> 01:34:14,858
Brooklyn:
To be honest with you,
1767
01:34:14,858 --> 01:34:16,735
the fact that she got
lung cancer
1768
01:34:16,735 --> 01:34:18,237
was very interesting to me.
1769
01:34:18,237 --> 01:34:20,197
Donna (singing): # My heart
is beating faster... #
1770
01:34:20,197 --> 01:34:22,074
Brooklyn:
For someone who fully
used their voice
1771
01:34:22,074 --> 01:34:23,242
in so many ways
1772
01:34:23,242 --> 01:34:25,744
to not fully use their voice
in other ways.
1773
01:34:25,744 --> 01:34:28,831
She carried
so much for so long
1774
01:34:28,831 --> 01:34:31,917
that her body
couldn't do it anymore.
1775
01:34:31,917 --> 01:34:33,877
Donna (singing):
# Thousands of miles away #
1776
01:34:33,877 --> 01:34:37,256
# From who knows where #
1777
01:34:37,256 --> 01:34:39,883
# Who knows where... #
1778
01:34:39,883 --> 01:34:44,221
(Bruce singing softly)
1779
01:34:44,221 --> 01:34:47,099
Bruce:
There was a certain
amount of, not denial
1780
01:34:47,099 --> 01:34:50,060
but non-acceptance.
1781
01:34:50,060 --> 01:34:53,647
Donna never talked
about her dying
1782
01:34:53,647 --> 01:34:56,191
or what would happen
if she died.
1783
01:34:56,650 --> 01:34:58,485
Or that she was gonna die.
1784
01:34:58,485 --> 01:35:00,446
We never had
that conversation.
1785
01:35:00,446 --> 01:35:03,782
We never spoke those words.
1786
01:35:03,782 --> 01:35:07,494
The fact that
we didn't discuss it
1787
01:35:07,494 --> 01:35:09,121
did not make
1788
01:35:09,121 --> 01:35:13,625
the obvious nature of
what was happening invisible.
1789
01:35:14,334 --> 01:35:17,045
She didn't want
to give death power
1790
01:35:17,045 --> 01:35:20,007
by even speaking about it
or mentioning it.
1791
01:35:21,717 --> 01:35:24,470
Brooklyn:
Daddy, what day is today?
1792
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:28,348
Uh, today
is December 25th, 2011,
1793
01:35:28,348 --> 01:35:31,477
heading into a much better
year of 2012.
1794
01:35:31,477 --> 01:35:33,520
- Brooklyn: Yup, amen.
- Amen and hallelujah.
1795
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,189
Brooklyn:
Amen and hallelujah.
1796
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:36,398
Mommy!
1797
01:35:36,398 --> 01:35:37,733
Merry Christmas.
1798
01:35:37,733 --> 01:35:39,109
Merry
Christmas.
1799
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:41,445
("I'm a Rainbow"
by Donna Summer playing)
1800
01:35:47,743 --> 01:35:54,166
# #
1801
01:35:54,166 --> 01:35:57,753
# Is there a remedy #
1802
01:35:57,753 --> 01:36:02,090
# For the passions
of the soul? #
1803
01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:05,177
# Brother, if there is one #
1804
01:36:05,802 --> 01:36:08,222
# I don't really know #
1805
01:36:08,222 --> 01:36:10,390
(family laughing, chatting)
1806
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:13,894
{\an8}May I say, I want to get roasted
because I realized something.
1807
01:36:13,894 --> 01:36:16,480
{\an8}- I've been in therapy, you know.
- (laughter)
1808
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:17,523
{\an8}No, seriously.
1809
01:36:17,523 --> 01:36:19,691
{\an8}I really like making jokes
about things
1810
01:36:19,691 --> 01:36:21,860
{\an8}and not confronting the issue.
1811
01:36:21,860 --> 01:36:25,072
And so tonight, I would not
like to make a joke of anything.
1812
01:36:25,072 --> 01:36:29,159
I would like to confront
the issue and say that I, I do
dearly love everybody here.
1813
01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:33,205
And regardless of the changes
that we have gone through
in this life,
1814
01:36:33,205 --> 01:36:36,667
I know-- hallelujah,
don't let me start preaching--
1815
01:36:36,667 --> 01:36:38,460
that...
1816
01:36:39,628 --> 01:36:41,463
we're all together
for a reason.
1817
01:36:41,463 --> 01:36:44,258
- Family: Amen, amen!
- And I do hope that...
1818
01:36:44,258 --> 01:36:47,052
that I was able to bring
something to your life
1819
01:36:47,052 --> 01:36:50,764
and get something from your life
that is irreplaceable.
1820
01:36:50,764 --> 01:36:52,599
- Woman: Amen.
- Oh!
1821
01:36:52,599 --> 01:36:57,229
(family cheering, clapping)
1822
01:37:02,776 --> 01:37:04,987
Mommy, I love you.
1823
01:37:04,987 --> 01:37:08,073
I'm gonna see you soon.
1824
01:37:08,073 --> 01:37:10,826
And I'm going to perform
for you.
1825
01:37:10,826 --> 01:37:16,915
# Watching raindrops
slowly falling #
1826
01:37:16,915 --> 01:37:23,630
# Painting pictures
on the window pane #
1827
01:37:23,630 --> 01:37:25,882
# Feelings my heart... #
1828
01:37:25,882 --> 01:37:27,676
Mimi:
There were times
in the middle of the night
1829
01:37:27,676 --> 01:37:29,803
when she would say stuff.
1830
01:37:29,803 --> 01:37:33,974
She would say, "I don't like
to be alone, Mimi."
1831
01:37:33,974 --> 01:37:36,351
(contemplative music playing)
1832
01:37:37,477 --> 01:37:38,687
(projector clicks)
1833
01:37:39,896 --> 01:37:41,064
Mimi:
When she woke up one night,
1834
01:37:41,064 --> 01:37:43,150
she was really having
a hard night.
1835
01:37:43,150 --> 01:37:44,610
I said,
"Ma, what's the matter?"
1836
01:37:44,610 --> 01:37:47,696
And she's like, "Ah, I just,
mm, I ju-- I can't sleep.
1837
01:37:47,696 --> 01:37:49,865
I'm just so--
I can't settle down."
1838
01:37:49,865 --> 01:37:52,075
I started to rub her back.
1839
01:37:52,075 --> 01:37:55,037
She was pretty tiny
at that point.
1840
01:37:56,622 --> 01:38:00,208
I put my arm across her chest
and she fell asleep.
1841
01:38:00,208 --> 01:38:03,629
So I scooped her up
onto my lap
1842
01:38:03,629 --> 01:38:07,007
{\an8}and I just kept
rubbing her back.
1843
01:38:07,007 --> 01:38:12,179
{\an8}That moment for me was like,
she was a baby.
1844
01:38:12,179 --> 01:38:14,765
{\an8}It was like
she just was fully vulnerable.
1845
01:38:14,765 --> 01:38:16,767
{\an8}Like, "Just hold me."
1846
01:38:22,064 --> 01:38:24,066
Brooklyn:
I think the most profound thing
1847
01:38:24,066 --> 01:38:27,152
is her allowing us
to love her.
1848
01:38:27,152 --> 01:38:28,654
Mimi: Yes.
1849
01:38:28,654 --> 01:38:31,615
Brooklyn:
Because in that moment
she couldn't give us anything.
1850
01:38:31,615 --> 01:38:34,076
Mimi:
No, she had to only receive.
1851
01:38:34,076 --> 01:38:35,827
She could only receive.
1852
01:38:37,287 --> 01:38:42,167
Bruce:
It wasn't until
she was on her deathbed
1853
01:38:42,167 --> 01:38:47,214
that she finally understood
that I really loved her.
1854
01:38:47,881 --> 01:38:53,095
She looks at me and she says,
"You are my heart."
1855
01:39:00,852 --> 01:39:02,688
All right, well...
1856
01:39:04,523 --> 01:39:06,441
- Brooklyn: Mm.
- Bruce: Mm-hmm.
1857
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:11,154
Yeah!
1858
01:39:11,154 --> 01:39:15,075
("If There Is Music There"
by Donna Summer playing)
1859
01:39:16,785 --> 01:39:20,706
(singing)
# I'll have to go #
1860
01:39:23,917 --> 01:39:28,422
# Never been anything #
1861
01:39:28,422 --> 01:39:30,340
# In my life #
1862
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:32,843
# That I wanted #
1863
01:39:32,843 --> 01:39:37,556
# More #
1864
01:39:37,556 --> 01:39:39,224
# This is #
1865
01:39:39,224 --> 01:39:44,771
{\an8}# My greatest fear #
1866
01:39:44,771 --> 01:39:48,400
{\an8}# That I'm losing you #
1867
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,987
# My dear #
1868
01:39:51,987 --> 01:39:58,493
# It's more
than I want to give #
1869
01:39:59,745 --> 01:40:05,709
# But if there
is music there #
1870
01:40:07,461 --> 01:40:13,049
# If there is music there #
1871
01:40:14,551 --> 01:40:19,222
# I have to know #
1872
01:40:21,349 --> 01:40:25,228
# Never met anyone #
1873
01:40:25,228 --> 01:40:28,023
# Who could take music #
1874
01:40:28,023 --> 01:40:34,112
# Out of my soul #
1875
01:40:34,112 --> 01:40:36,907
# There's something #
1876
01:40:36,907 --> 01:40:41,578
# Deep inside #
1877
01:40:41,578 --> 01:40:43,914
# That I no longer #
1878
01:40:43,914 --> 01:40:48,460
# Want to hide #
1879
01:40:48,460 --> 01:40:51,004
# My love, you would #
1880
01:40:51,004 --> 01:40:56,426
# Never share #
1881
01:40:56,426 --> 01:40:58,261
# If there #
1882
01:40:58,261 --> 01:41:03,767
# Is music there #
1883
01:41:03,767 --> 01:41:05,685
I'm so sorry, honey.
1884
01:41:05,685 --> 01:41:09,064
You see, I always, I loved you.
1885
01:41:10,899 --> 01:41:12,400
I did love you.
1886
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,445
- # I'm losing... #
- But I just have to go.
1887
01:41:15,445 --> 01:41:17,447
# ...you #
1888
01:41:17,447 --> 01:41:20,826
(cheering and applause)
1889
01:41:42,848 --> 01:41:45,100
Crew:
"Sunset People," take two.
1890
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:47,769
("Sunset People"
by Donna Summer playing)
1891
01:42:00,198 --> 01:42:02,367
(singing)
# For sunset #
1892
01:42:03,785 --> 01:42:05,203
# Riot house #
1893
01:42:05,203 --> 01:42:07,706
Now what camera,
should I just face forward?
1894
01:42:07,706 --> 01:42:10,041
Crew:
Yes, facing forward
will be fine, Donna.
1895
01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:13,420
It's too much light.
You're bleaching away my color.
1896
01:42:13,420 --> 01:42:14,880
(crew laughing)
1897
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,715
Crew:
Fix it in the mix.
1898
01:42:18,133 --> 01:42:21,052
Bet you've never
had your hair done
by a sailor before.
1899
01:42:21,052 --> 01:42:22,971
Whoosh!
1900
01:42:22,971 --> 01:42:27,726
(disco music playing)
1901
01:42:27,726 --> 01:42:29,102
- (music stops)
- 'Scuse me.
1902
01:42:29,102 --> 01:42:31,062
Crew:
One, two, three, four.
1903
01:42:31,062 --> 01:42:33,106
(rhythmic percussion
and blues horn)
1904
01:42:33,106 --> 01:42:36,234
Who are these places?
1905
01:42:36,234 --> 01:42:39,779
What are these faces?
1906
01:42:42,324 --> 01:42:43,700
(music stops, crew chuckles)
1907
01:42:43,700 --> 01:42:46,786
Donna:
You're just giving up
all your love for me.
1908
01:42:46,786 --> 01:42:51,416
- (crew laughs)
- (disco music plays, stops)
1909
01:42:51,416 --> 01:42:52,709
(laughing)
1910
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:54,252
Don't let it throw you.
1911
01:42:54,252 --> 01:42:55,879
Come on, let me show you.
1912
01:42:55,879 --> 01:42:58,506
What are these places?
Whose are these faces?
1913
01:42:59,841 --> 01:43:02,469
(band playing
"She Works Hard for the Money")
1914
01:43:02,469 --> 01:43:05,305
# #
1915
01:43:05,305 --> 01:43:09,851
- (synthetic drums beating)
- Crew: One, two...
1916
01:43:09,851 --> 01:43:11,394
Crew 2: Ready to roll.
1917
01:43:11,394 --> 01:43:14,230
Crew (in falsetto):
One, two, one, two, three, four!
1918
01:43:14,230 --> 01:43:16,358
("Bad Girls" playing)
1919
01:43:29,746 --> 01:43:32,666
# Bad girls #
1920
01:43:32,666 --> 01:43:36,795
# Talking 'bout
the sad girls, yeah #
1921
01:43:36,795 --> 01:43:39,965
# Talking 'bout bad girls #
1922
01:43:41,591 --> 01:43:44,761
# The sad girls #
1923
01:43:44,761 --> 01:43:49,766
# Well, you see them out
on the streets at night
walkin' #
1924
01:43:49,766 --> 01:43:54,521
# Picking up
all kinds of strangers
if the price is right #
1925
01:43:55,897 --> 01:43:59,859
# Is the price ever
really right? #
1926
01:44:01,861 --> 01:44:04,406
# You may ask yourself #
1927
01:44:07,575 --> 01:44:09,661
# Who they are #
1928
01:44:09,661 --> 01:44:13,581
# Like anybody else #
1929
01:44:13,581 --> 01:44:16,835
# They come
from near and far #
1930
01:44:16,835 --> 01:44:21,506
# Whoa-oa-oa-oa-oa #
1931
01:44:21,506 --> 01:44:25,468
- # Bad girls #
- # Bad, bad, bad girls #
1932
01:44:25,468 --> 01:44:29,431
- # Sad girls #
- # Sad, sad, sad girls #
1933
01:44:29,431 --> 01:44:33,393
- # Sad girls #
- # Bad girls, well #
1934
01:44:33,393 --> 01:44:37,355
# Friday night
and the strip is hot #
1935
01:44:37,355 --> 01:44:41,276
# Sun's going down
and they're out to trot #
1936
01:44:41,276 --> 01:44:45,488
# Skirts up high
and their legs look hot #
1937
01:44:47,407 --> 01:44:49,409
# Do you have enough? #
1938
01:44:51,786 --> 01:44:53,371
# Can you buy enough? #
1939
01:44:55,290 --> 01:44:57,125
# Can you sell enough? #
1940
01:44:57,125 --> 01:44:59,335
# Can you sell enough
sell enough... #
1941
01:44:59,335 --> 01:45:01,337
# Of that dirty stuff? #
1942
01:45:02,964 --> 01:45:09,012
# Who are you trying
to fool? #
1943
01:45:09,012 --> 01:45:12,098
- # Bad girls #
- # Everybody sees you #
1944
01:45:13,808 --> 01:45:15,769
# Bad girls #
1945
01:45:15,769 --> 01:45:18,354
# You ain't got nobody #
1946
01:45:21,107 --> 01:45:22,901
# Sad girls #
1947
01:45:22,901 --> 01:45:26,112
- # Sad girls #
- # Ain't got no money #
1948
01:45:28,865 --> 01:45:32,744
# Struggling hard
trying for the top #
1949
01:45:32,744 --> 01:45:36,956
# Going the wrong way
in life, yes, you are #
1950
01:45:39,167 --> 01:45:42,128
# Said you wanna be a star #
1951
01:45:47,008 --> 01:45:50,512
# Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh #
1952
01:45:50,512 --> 01:45:51,930
# Whoa #
1953
01:45:56,559 --> 01:45:59,729
- # The bad girls #
- Man: Where do we
pick you up?
1954
01:45:59,729 --> 01:46:04,317
- # You are the sad girls #
- # Sad girls #
1955
01:46:04,317 --> 01:46:09,114
- I wanna try it hot.
- # 'Cause you and me
we're all the same #
1956
01:46:09,114 --> 01:46:12,325
# But you call yourself
by a different name #
1957
01:46:12,325 --> 01:46:17,247
# But your mama won't like it
when she finds her... #
1958
01:46:17,247 --> 01:46:20,291
# Girl is out at night #
1959
01:46:20,291 --> 01:46:22,961
- # Street walkin' #
- # Street walkin' #
1960
01:46:22,961 --> 01:46:24,337
# #
1961
01:46:24,337 --> 01:46:26,840
- # Street talkin' #
- # Street talkin' #
1962
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:28,508
# #
1963
01:46:28,508 --> 01:46:32,428
# Street talkin' #
1964
01:46:32,428 --> 01:46:36,516
# Street talkin'
street talkin'... #
1965
01:46:36,516 --> 01:46:40,520
# Street walkin' #
1966
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,148
# Street talkin' #
1967
01:46:43,148 --> 01:46:48,611
# Whoa-ah-ah-ah-ah #
1968
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:55,994
# Who do you think you are? #
1969
01:46:55,994 --> 01:46:58,997
# Who do you think
you are? #
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