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raucous rock instrumental
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Back in the day,
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we were the people that stood in line
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at a record store waiting
for the gate to open.
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Because the discovery
of music was everything.
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For years,
the only way you would be able
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to judge what you should get
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was you'd look at
the cover and be like,
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"Oh, that's cool.
That's gonna piss off my parents"
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or "That looks rockin'," or whatever.
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And it was all we looked forward to
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was to open that cellophane
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and see what would
fall out of the jacket.
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Sometimes there would
be a picture or something,
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and smell it and hold it,
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put it on the turntable,
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drop the needle, and when
this music's in your blood
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and Dio and the music
he made's in your blood,
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it's just impossible to... to get out.
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When you're a kid,
you're looking for a voice,
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somethin' that says,
"This is my generation."
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And for us, it was heavy metal.
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And then all of a
sudden comes this dude
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with the most powerful voice of all!
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Stand up and shout
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With a heavy metal band,
the music is so powerful
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and so potent,
you really have to know
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how to control it...
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specifically singers
because we have a message.
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We have things to say.
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Listen to me and
believe what I say today
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He found a way to create
music that makes people
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unable to contain themselves
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to the point where they refuse
to live without that music.
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I was amazed by the way
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he was able to captivate people.
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I want to know how, why...
How do you get there?
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We rock
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There are a lot of people
that think of Ronnie
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as being the guy that
did this and singing metal.
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That is him,
but there's another side.
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The million dollar question...
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How do you describe
Ronnie James Dio?
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I tend to be an enigma
to a lot of people, I think.
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There was something about the guy.
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There was just something about him.
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When Ronnie sang,
he wanted to make sure
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that everyone never forgot it.
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People took it home with them
and they named their pet "Dio,"
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and they named their firstborn
"Ronnie."
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It was like, "This is rock 'n' roll
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that is gonna change your fucking life."
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'Cause we rock
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We rock
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See how we rock
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We rock
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It's been years since Ronnie passed.
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He passed on the 16th of May, 2010.
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I think he's here.
I think he's here still, all the time.
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Sometimes I hear my name called,
but there's nobody here.
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Wendy.
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I'm probably just imagining it.
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Hello. Welcome to my home
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and welcome to Behind Closed Doors.
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This was a Christmas present
from my wife, from Wendy.
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We can see the lions and whatnot.
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Mick, away we go.
I'm gonna make this ball here,
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and then we can talk.
Ok.
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Ronnie's story traverses,
really, the whole history
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of rock music.
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His career went on
for decade after decade.
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Here we are all these
years after he died,
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and he's still this huge
figure in heavy metal.
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You know,
some of these guys are immortal,
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but none more so
than Ronnie James Dio.
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We now have a media room here,
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but I still have the lions
and I still have the nostalgia
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of when we used to
have the pool table here.
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Well, you've caught me in the library,
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one of my favorite
places in all the world
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because it contains words.
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You know, he had a message.
He was a messenger.
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His message was for the
people that lived regular lives,
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had regular dreams that
meant something real.
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You know I don't play piano.
I'm a singer.
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Let's go to the bar.
It's my favorite place anyway.
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This is his favorite place, was the bar.
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So I feel his presence much more here.
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And it's a warm, comforting feeling.
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Obviously, you've had
a lot of elbows resting
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on this at one time or another.
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We never started with this.
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And why should we think
that this should last forever?
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I was just as happy, and I'm
sure Wendy was just as happy
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before struggling and
being happy together.
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I think this is all
very transitory anyway.
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It's... It comes and it goes.
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I mean, you have ups and downs.
It's like life.
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Life goes through great
waves of emotion and passion
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and great lows of
despair and whatnot.
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That's the way life is.
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There it is.
That's his beautiful trumpet
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that hasn't been
played in a long time.
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He used to play this from
when he was 5 years old.
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He never played it for me.
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It's a beautiful thing,
but he had had enough of it,
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I think from all the hours of practice
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he had to do with his dad.
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smooth swing instrumental
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I started as a trumpet player
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when I was 5 years old.
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Oh, so you've been very musical.
Where was that?
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Upstate New York,
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a town called Cortland, New York,
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which is right in the
middle of nowhere.
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Dairy farming community.
18,000 people.
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It was a great place to
grow up because you got
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a good moral attitude.
You grew up well.
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This is the house
where Ronnie grew up.
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After he became famous,
the city decided
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that they were gonna
name the street after him
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'cause it was on the
corner of his house.
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So, this is the Dio way.
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This had been stolen a couple of times.
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His immediate family,
they were pretty straight-laced.
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His mother was, you know,
a sweetheart, of course.
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You know, the moms were
always easier on the kids
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than the father.
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My father was harsh with me.
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You know, these were the
days when a good hiding was,
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you know, right around
the corner. And boy, I...
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Believe me, I was always
up for one of those.
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I wasn't up for it,
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but I always caused
one of those, apparently.
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Everyone had the same ideas.
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They were good ethics,
good morals,
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a lot of church involved.
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Whether I believed in it
or didn't, it gave you rules.
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You know, Catholic, ya know?
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Ronnie was an altar boy.
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Ronnie loved classical music.
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His father insisted he practice trumpet
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3 hours every day, for years.
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He was a voracious reader.
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He was a smart kid in school.
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High grades, very intelligent,
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president of his class, actually.
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And he was a little bit crazy.
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One time we were riding in the car.
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There was a nun
walking down the street,
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and Ronnie stuck his
ass out the window
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and he mooned her,
so he mooned a nun.
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He was a bit of a rebel.
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He had a gang called The Angels.
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Stole a car here and there
and got in some trouble.
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It could have escalated,
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but I think not in that
family background.
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I mean, it wasn't just his father.
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There was his grandmother,
and there are pictures of her.
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She doesn't look like the kind of lady
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anybody would want to cross.
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I think for him,
can you imagine in the '50s
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how conservative times were?
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Like most musicians,
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he realized music was
a route out of that.
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This was a road to good times.
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And what blows me away, as a fan,
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when I discovered
that Ronnie James Dio,
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best metal voice you ever heard,
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he was singing in the
'50s before the Beatles.
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How is that possible?
Like, that's fascinating.
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Other than wine and weed.
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Everybody has their things.
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Some people like to
go to football games.
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Some people like to bowl.
I collect Ronnie James Dio.
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I was a radio guy,
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so I came out of Syracuse
radio in the early '60s.
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Ronnie first started in bands back in...
around 1958,
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playing trumpets and
horns and bass at the time.
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It was earlier than the Beatles.
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So, it was Bill Haley.
It was Elvis Presley.
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It was all those rockers.
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That's what the inspiration was.
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So, Ronnie was born
Ronald James Padavona.
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But when he was in bands and stuff,
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it was too long a name
and not hip enough for him.
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Ronnie got his name, "Dio,"
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famously from a real
life Mafia mob guy
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called Johnny Dio.
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Ronnie was like,
"This is evil, but it's cool."
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And so he decided,
"That's gonna be my name."
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And that was it.
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I was the guy who
didn't want to do anything
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but play the music.
I didn't want to sing.
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And everyone tried,
and everyone kind of
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fell by the wayside,
and they finally said,
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"Ok, it's your turn."
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An angel is missing
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From heaven tonight
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The training as a horn player
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was so absolutely perfect as a singer.
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You play from the same
place as you sing from,
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from your diaphragm.
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In my mind, my voice was a trumpet.
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For how could she be
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When that angel
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Is here with me?
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In the Red Caps,
Ronnie was so clean
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and could hit any
note he was looking for.
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You could tell this guy
is professional already
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and he's only 18.
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Don't hold my hand
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Don't let me kiss you
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I'll be untrue
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Unfaithful to you, I'll never miss you
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The Red Caps eventually
became The Prophets
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and through the years,The Prophets,
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they formed something special.
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He really had the passion
to do the best he can
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with the abilities
that he was God-given.
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Ronnie got the dream,
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so we used to talk
about that all the time.
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Ronnie was gonna be the lead singer,
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star of the show.
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And then I was going to
be his lead guitar player.
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Nicky was gonna be the
leader of any orchestration
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or the band.
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Nick Pantas was Ronnie's kind of
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musical soulmate at that point,
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that he writes with,
builds bands with,
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builds dreams with.
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Even from those
very, very early days,
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you can tell his mission
in life was to be a singer.
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You can tell it.
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One of the problems that
we really had back then...
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we could not find the genre
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that would fit Ronnie perfectly.
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He was capable of
singing anything, basically.
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He would be doing songs
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by Engelbert Humperdinck,
Tom Jones.
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Ronnie did a version of
"The Way of Love"
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that Cher had a big hit on.
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When you meet a boy
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Before Cher recorded it.
It's phenomenal.
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When you meet a girl
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That you like a lot
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I got in the band.
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I was just out of high
school in 1965, '66.
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We had a manager at
the time from Ithaca,
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and he was pushing Ronnie
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into following that Tom
Jones route, you know?
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Say you're mine again
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Careers go in different directions.
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In those days, it wasn't fashionable
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to be in rock 'n' roll in order
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to want to pursue that as a career.
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It really made no sense at all to do.
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Well, I loved it so much
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that it was going to
make sense for me to do.
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Oh, darling, say you're mine
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discordant chords
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We found a way to be discovered
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All the series of pictures were taken
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in my parents' basement.
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And we took rolls of tinfoil,
and we hung it up in the back.
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And that's when the
Beatles first came out,
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so everybody started
to grow their hair long.
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We decided to change the
name to The Electric Elves.
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I mean, we used to
have a van that said
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"Electric Elves" on it.
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They thought we were
electrical contractors.
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"Uh, my house needs wiring.
Call The Electric Elves over.
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They're small. They can get into
the crawl space really easily."
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You know and at that time,
playing clubs,
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you're doing cover songs.
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When The Beatles album came out,
we learned the whole album.
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You know, because Ronnie
could sing the whole album.
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We were doing so well
from a playing standpoint,
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you know, going from Maine
to North Carolina to Detroit.
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We wanted to be better musically
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and wanted to be
something special.
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spacey instrumental
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1968, I had been out
of the band for a while
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and Ronnie was playing clubs,
285
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like they were always playing clubs,
286
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and they were called The Electric Elves.
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We played in, uh...
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I think it was Waterbury,
Connecticut, for a week.
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And, uh, we decided not to
stay overnight the last night.
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Our gear was in the back of the van.
We all rode in the van,
291
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so we decided to
drive home that night
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rather than stay another night.
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And a drunk driver ends
up crossing the lane
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and hits us head on.
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I woke up in a
hospital bed with Ronnie
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next to me in the other bed.
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We looked like zombies.
Ronnie hit the windshield.
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His whole scalp was torn back.
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He had over a hundred
stitches in his scalp.
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Nicky was driving,
and it impacted the front,
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pinned him in the steering wheel
302
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and he actually bled to death.
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Uh... it... it...
it was really hard to believe,
304
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to understand that that could happen.
305
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This is such a catastrophe,
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not just for, obviously,
for Nick and his family,
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but for Ronnie,
it becomes a moment of,
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"Is this time to throw in the towel?
Is this a sign?
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Is this just not meant to be?"
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That's a slide...
That's one slide of Ronnie's.
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You can see it's...
it's after the accident
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when his hair was
just starting to grow in.
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Ronnie, when he was a kid,
succeeded really greatly
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as far as academics.
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At some point he started college
and he was taking pharmacy.
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So, after the accident,
he could have chosen anything,
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any avenue to go to.
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I remember the moment when I said,
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"We gonna put this thing
back together?" And he said,
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"Yeah, we're gonna put
this thing back together."
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In our minds, we were wanting to go
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to Led Zeppelin, The Who.
We idolized Deep Purple.
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Deep Purple, that's what
was heaviest, you know?
324
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"Good golly," said little Miss Molly
325
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When she was rockin'
in the house of blue light
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And we just said, "Ok,
that's what we wanna do."
327
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And the death of Nick Pantas,
328
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that terrible crash
329
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that could have easily
dissuaded lesser men
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just to say, "You know what? I'm done,"
331
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Ronnie decides, "No, I'm not done.
332
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In fact, I'm only just getting started."
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Lord, help me
334
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Someone's sleeping
in my bed at night
335
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He decides to build this
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into something more contemporary
337
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with, you know, a shit ton of power.
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There's just a power and a presence.
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00:17:15,498 --> 00:17:17,834
It's remarkable when
you think that a man
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of such small stature
341
00:17:20,045 --> 00:17:21,463
had the biggest voice
you're ever going to hear.
342
00:17:21,504 --> 00:17:24,299
Eventually, we became Elf.
343
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We were very small and
all kinds of hair and beards
344
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and the whole deal.
We'd walk out on stage
345
00:17:27,844 --> 00:17:30,346
and actually, people started to chuckle.
346
00:17:30,388 --> 00:17:32,932
But when we hit the first note,
it was like,
347
00:17:32,974 --> 00:17:35,810
jaws dropped, you know?
348
00:17:39,773 --> 00:17:44,194
And suddenly,
you've got not just a new band
349
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but a new sound, a new attitude.
350
00:17:46,905 --> 00:17:52,035
And the beginnings
of the Ronnie James Dio
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that would become famous.
352
00:18:00,168 --> 00:18:02,879
We came up with those songs,
353
00:18:02,921 --> 00:18:04,714
and that's what ended
up getting us an audition
354
00:18:04,756 --> 00:18:06,591
with, you know, Columbia.
355
00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:10,804
Elf were auditioning
for the famous Clive Davis
356
00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:13,598
who discovered everybody,
just everybody.
357
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,018
And we were gonna audition for him.
Wow.
358
00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:20,105
At the time,
Roger Glover and Ian Paice
359
00:18:20,146 --> 00:18:21,731
from Deep Purple,
360
00:18:21,773 --> 00:18:23,149
out of the blue, for some reason,
361
00:18:23,191 --> 00:18:25,276
they wanted to become producers.
362
00:18:25,318 --> 00:18:28,113
So, somehow they got involved
in coming to this audition.
363
00:18:28,154 --> 00:18:29,739
We were told just at the last moment
364
00:18:29,781 --> 00:18:31,366
that Roger and Ian were coming.
365
00:18:31,407 --> 00:18:33,243
Well, that put us in quite a turmoil
366
00:18:33,284 --> 00:18:35,537
because 2 of our heroes?
Oh, my Lord.
367
00:18:35,578 --> 00:18:37,247
"Oh, my God.
Like, you know, 2 people
368
00:18:37,288 --> 00:18:38,957
from Deep Purple are
gonna be here, you know?"
369
00:18:38,998 --> 00:18:41,376
It's like, and I idolized
the band, you know?
370
00:18:41,417 --> 00:18:43,378
Some chairs set up,
and Clive comes in
371
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and a couple people with him.
372
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And then Roger and Ian come in.
373
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Well, well, well.
374
00:18:49,092 --> 00:18:50,552
There were probably, I don't know,
375
00:18:50,593 --> 00:18:53,596
15 or 20 suits in the room.
376
00:18:53,638 --> 00:18:55,181
You know, Clive Davis, et cetera,
377
00:18:55,223 --> 00:18:56,683
all these people and white wine
378
00:18:56,724 --> 00:18:58,226
and you know, It's all,
"Thank you very much."
379
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And then these 4 midgets walked out.
380
00:19:01,813 --> 00:19:05,859
And I go, "What's this?
A circus act or something?" You know.
381
00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:08,736
Standing there and
playing in front of, like,
382
00:19:08,778 --> 00:19:11,114
you know, record executives,
383
00:19:11,156 --> 00:19:13,449
and not to mention
2 guys in Deep Purple,
384
00:19:13,491 --> 00:19:16,327
and you have to try to sell yourself.
385
00:19:16,369 --> 00:19:18,663
It was, like, a big deal.
386
00:19:18,705 --> 00:19:20,498
You know, we played the songs,
387
00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:22,208
and it was like, "Alright, that's enough.
388
00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:24,127
We don't need to
hear any more songs."
389
00:19:24,169 --> 00:19:26,087
And everybody gets up.
You know, we couldn't hear
390
00:19:26,129 --> 00:19:28,673
what they were talking about,
and everybody leaves.
391
00:19:28,715 --> 00:19:34,345
We don't know if they
hated it or if they loved it.
392
00:19:34,387 --> 00:19:37,098
I mean, we were knocked out.
Absolutely knocked out.
393
00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:39,142
And we said,
"Yeah, we'll do this. We'll do this."
394
00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:42,770
And we flew down to Atlanta
and recorded the album.
395
00:19:54,908 --> 00:19:57,118
And then we got to go
on tour with Deep Purple.
396
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,372
So we went from playing
bars to playing arenas.
397
00:20:01,414 --> 00:20:04,000
We really felt like we made it
at that time, you know?
398
00:20:04,042 --> 00:20:05,877
Little did we know
there's a long way to go
399
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:07,545
before you really make it.
400
00:20:07,587 --> 00:20:10,548
I always had places
that I wanted to get to.
401
00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:12,467
Deep Purple were my favorite band.
402
00:20:12,508 --> 00:20:14,719
We must have done
probably 8 full tours
403
00:20:14,761 --> 00:20:18,389
with the band.
So, Elf took on the world.
404
00:20:18,431 --> 00:20:20,141
You know, that was the beginning,
certainly for me.
405
00:20:20,183 --> 00:20:21,559
Baby, you know
406
00:20:21,601 --> 00:20:24,879
I'm coming back for you
407
00:20:25,021 --> 00:20:27,398
I'm coming back for you
408
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,234
So, over the course
409
00:20:29,275 --> 00:20:31,110
of the next couple of years touring,
410
00:20:31,152 --> 00:20:32,904
Ronnie was always around us.
411
00:20:32,946 --> 00:20:34,739
I fell in love with
the sound of his voice,
412
00:20:34,781 --> 00:20:36,908
then I fell in love
with his personality,
413
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:40,119
then I fell in love with
him as a human being.
414
00:20:40,161 --> 00:20:42,538
He was great.
He was funny, strong-willed.
415
00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:44,916
And he believed in what he did.
416
00:20:44,958 --> 00:20:48,044
Go for what you believe in,
and that's what Ronnie was.
417
00:20:48,086 --> 00:20:51,714
He was...
he was a hard fist coming at you.
418
00:20:51,756 --> 00:20:54,300
You know, I just loved the guy.
419
00:20:54,342 --> 00:20:56,427
I just genuinely loved him.
420
00:20:56,469 --> 00:21:00,932
It was born into him
from generations of eons
421
00:21:00,974 --> 00:21:03,393
of lifetimes ago
422
00:21:03,434 --> 00:21:06,854
to be...kind.
423
00:21:18,324 --> 00:21:21,286
Growing up a Deep Purple fan,
424
00:21:21,327 --> 00:21:24,372
it's just, like, they were the biggest
425
00:21:24,414 --> 00:21:28,251
and the fucking baddest
of all the musicians
426
00:21:28,293 --> 00:21:30,128
on the planet.
427
00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:36,009
And... And fucking Blackmore.
Oh, my fucking God.
428
00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:38,344
funk instrumental
429
00:21:38,386 --> 00:21:39,971
Ritchie Blackmore...
430
00:21:40,013 --> 00:21:42,473
he's like the "Deep" in Deep Purple.
431
00:21:42,515 --> 00:21:44,976
Uh, he's a mystery within a riddle.
432
00:21:45,018 --> 00:21:48,104
He's not the easiest
man to get on with.
433
00:21:48,146 --> 00:21:49,480
I barely saw Ritchie in Deep Purple
434
00:21:49,522 --> 00:21:51,482
when I was in the band.
435
00:21:51,524 --> 00:21:54,819
Ritchie was an isolator,
and this is in the days
436
00:21:54,861 --> 00:21:56,904
where there was no
separate dressing rooms.
437
00:21:56,946 --> 00:21:59,115
Well, he had his own dressing room.
438
00:21:59,157 --> 00:22:01,576
He stayed at different hotels, basically.
439
00:22:01,617 --> 00:22:05,246
And he never partook
in any group endeavors.
440
00:22:05,288 --> 00:22:11,002
No after dinner parties, no...
No.
441
00:22:13,546 --> 00:22:15,631
Blackmore left Purple
442
00:22:15,673 --> 00:22:18,509
because they were going
in a more funk direction.
443
00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:26,017
I was going to leave Deep Purple
444
00:22:26,059 --> 00:22:28,603
no matter what because I didn't
respect that type of music
445
00:22:28,644 --> 00:22:30,313
that we were getting into,
446
00:22:30,355 --> 00:22:32,523
but luckily at the same time,
I met Ronnie.
447
00:22:32,565 --> 00:22:34,776
Ritchie and I really had
448
00:22:34,817 --> 00:22:36,694
the same kind
of musical feelings.
449
00:22:36,736 --> 00:22:38,863
We were engrossed in
the classical kind of music,
450
00:22:38,905 --> 00:22:41,032
Bach especially.
451
00:22:41,074 --> 00:22:43,701
And we felt that there was
a great place in music
452
00:22:43,743 --> 00:22:48,081
to kind of revive
that mystical, magical aura
453
00:22:48,122 --> 00:22:51,709
and put it into
today's kind of, uh, context.
454
00:22:51,751 --> 00:22:54,087
Ritchie left and went to start,
you know,
455
00:22:54,128 --> 00:22:56,589
putting Rainbow together
with the guys in Elf,
456
00:22:56,631 --> 00:22:58,091
you know, pretty much.
457
00:22:58,132 --> 00:22:59,884
By the time Rainbow gets going,
458
00:22:59,926 --> 00:23:02,011
you got the Mount
Rushmore of heavy rock...
459
00:23:02,053 --> 00:23:06,140
Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin.
460
00:23:06,182 --> 00:23:09,310
All of them shared
a common denominator
461
00:23:09,352 --> 00:23:11,979
in the sense that they were
all coming from the blues.
462
00:23:12,021 --> 00:23:15,316
Ronnie James Dio
and Ritchie Blackmore wanted
463
00:23:15,358 --> 00:23:19,862
to explore this kind of
neoclassical heavy rock music
464
00:23:19,904 --> 00:23:22,907
that is something way beyond,
465
00:23:22,949 --> 00:23:26,702
so Rainbow is taking
this spaceship to a new place.
466
00:23:33,918 --> 00:23:36,504
As a teenager,
I came from an abusive family,
467
00:23:36,546 --> 00:23:38,423
physically and verbally abusive,
468
00:23:38,464 --> 00:23:42,760
in and out of hospitals
and stitches and, um, surgeries.
469
00:23:42,802 --> 00:23:45,930
So, music was
extremely important to me
470
00:23:45,972 --> 00:23:47,974
because I had no one.
471
00:23:48,015 --> 00:23:52,937
I remember I was in a car.
Deep Purple had just broken up.
472
00:23:52,979 --> 00:23:55,815
Disco was starting
to make its scene.
473
00:23:55,857 --> 00:23:58,776
The world was upside down.
474
00:24:00,278 --> 00:24:02,405
And all of a sudden,
475
00:24:02,447 --> 00:24:04,323
"Men on the Silver Mountain"
comes on the radio.
476
00:24:04,365 --> 00:24:06,451
And I was like, "Yeah!"
477
00:24:06,492 --> 00:24:07,702
You know,
you're just all fired up.
478
00:24:07,743 --> 00:24:10,079
Ritchie Blackmore was back.
479
00:24:10,121 --> 00:24:12,915
Then, I first heard
Ronnie James Dio's voice,
480
00:24:12,957 --> 00:24:15,668
and I was like,
"Who the hell is that?"
481
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:18,379
And the man on the silver
482
00:24:18,421 --> 00:24:22,967
Mountain
483
00:24:24,177 --> 00:24:26,387
He was like a whole universe
484
00:24:26,429 --> 00:24:28,306
that was concealed
within one man.
485
00:24:39,025 --> 00:24:42,737
And so at one point,
the world was upside down,
486
00:24:42,778 --> 00:24:44,655
and it turned it
right side up again.
487
00:24:44,697 --> 00:24:47,158
This is not just another rock band.
488
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,660
It's gonna take what
we used to call "heavy rock"
489
00:24:49,702 --> 00:24:54,499
into a whole vista that
really hasn't existed before.
490
00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:57,919
And it was all
about this dynamic
491
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,671
between
this incredible guitarist
492
00:25:00,713 --> 00:25:02,465
and this extraordinary singer
493
00:25:02,507 --> 00:25:05,176
that almost
everybody had never heard of.
494
00:25:05,218 --> 00:25:08,804
I remember going to
Munich to do an album,
495
00:25:08,846 --> 00:25:10,515
and Ritchie was
in the same studio.
496
00:25:10,556 --> 00:25:12,433
And he said,
"Oh, I gotta play you a song."
497
00:25:12,475 --> 00:25:15,102
"Stargazer," full blast.
498
00:25:15,144 --> 00:25:17,396
High noon
499
00:25:17,438 --> 00:25:20,983
Oh, I'd sell my soul for water
500
00:25:21,025 --> 00:25:24,278
I was blown away.
That was like a masterpiece.
501
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:30,201
Ronnie sang about
mystical, magical stars
502
00:25:30,243 --> 00:25:32,161
and universe and dreams.
503
00:25:41,837 --> 00:25:44,048
That's what I do with my music.
I'm a narrator.
504
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:46,717
I give people avenues
which they can go down.
505
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,553
Safe avenues.
506
00:25:53,516 --> 00:25:55,434
I don't shove it
down their throats.
507
00:25:55,476 --> 00:25:57,270
They're your dreams
to try to attain.
508
00:25:57,311 --> 00:25:59,021
I don't tell them
this is what they must do.
509
00:25:59,063 --> 00:26:01,023
So, a narrator is what I am.
510
00:26:01,065 --> 00:26:05,069
In the "Runaways" days,
I would put on "Stargazer."
511
00:26:05,111 --> 00:26:07,905
All my dreams and all
my hopes would come out.
512
00:26:07,947 --> 00:26:10,616
That gave me all the strength
513
00:26:10,658 --> 00:26:12,118
and all the power
I ever needed
514
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:14,245
in guitar playing and music
515
00:26:14,287 --> 00:26:16,831
and just my everyday shit.
516
00:26:16,872 --> 00:26:20,042
Even though Ronnie
could really sing blues
517
00:26:20,084 --> 00:26:21,877
if he wanted to,
518
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:26,924
lyrically, he was never
the victim in his lyrics.
519
00:26:26,966 --> 00:26:29,927
It was more of a sage.
520
00:26:29,969 --> 00:26:34,056
You can see, but you're blind
521
00:26:34,098 --> 00:26:37,184
Someone turn the sun around
522
00:26:37,226 --> 00:26:40,730
What you can see in your mind
523
00:26:40,771 --> 00:26:44,775
The gates of Babylon
524
00:26:44,817 --> 00:26:47,445
And the things we
wrote were so different.
525
00:26:47,486 --> 00:26:51,073
That was the band, you know,
I wanted to be in forever.
526
00:26:51,115 --> 00:26:53,618
That was my chance to do
what I was born to do,
527
00:26:53,659 --> 00:26:55,745
which is to write
classically oriented
528
00:26:55,786 --> 00:26:57,204
fantasy kind of music.
529
00:26:57,246 --> 00:26:59,915
Ronnie was now firmly embedded
530
00:26:59,957 --> 00:27:03,878
into the gothic
and medieval rock of Rainbow.
531
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:06,881
He'd found his niche.
He'd found his new character.
532
00:27:10,635 --> 00:27:13,262
Well, here we are...
533
00:27:13,304 --> 00:27:15,598
the famous
Rainbow Bar and Grill.
534
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,683
Uh, land of fruits and nuts,
535
00:27:17,725 --> 00:27:19,560
and, uh, they always
used to say that.
536
00:27:19,602 --> 00:27:22,438
Moving and, uh, it was...
537
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,984
it still is the place to be
on Sunset Strip.
538
00:27:27,026 --> 00:27:30,655
I came to Los Angeles in around '74.
539
00:27:30,696 --> 00:27:33,449
I got a job in a... in a diner,
540
00:27:33,491 --> 00:27:35,284
and then I was doing
a little bit of acting.
541
00:27:35,326 --> 00:27:37,203
I didn't mean to
do acting, actually.
542
00:27:37,244 --> 00:27:38,996
Uh, I went with a girlfriend
of mine,
543
00:27:39,038 --> 00:27:41,499
and we went there, uh, as, um,
544
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:42,291
stand-in, what do you call it?
Uh...
545
00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:43,918
Extras?
546
00:27:43,959 --> 00:27:45,503
Extras.
Yeah, we went in as extras.
547
00:27:45,544 --> 00:27:48,339
It was a movie called
Death Race 2000.
548
00:27:48,381 --> 00:27:51,008
And this guy that I had to rub
549
00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:53,010
his shoulders and stuff,
he was telling me that
550
00:27:53,052 --> 00:27:56,639
he had written a movie and it
was gonna be a big time.
551
00:27:56,681 --> 00:27:58,432
And I thought,
"Yeah, yeah, right, whatever."
552
00:27:58,474 --> 00:28:00,976
It actually turned out
to be Sylvester Stallone.
553
00:28:01,018 --> 00:28:02,937
You schmuck.
554
00:28:02,978 --> 00:28:06,232
And then, I met a-a girl
at a party and she said,
555
00:28:06,273 --> 00:28:08,359
"Well, why don't you
get a job at The Rainbow?"
556
00:28:08,401 --> 00:28:12,738
jazz piano instrumental
557
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:14,573
We had everyone in here...
558
00:28:14,615 --> 00:28:17,201
Led Zeppelin,
Deep Purple, The Who.
559
00:28:17,243 --> 00:28:19,495
Anyone you could possibly
think of was in here.
560
00:28:22,998 --> 00:28:26,460
So this is the table
where it all happened.
561
00:28:26,502 --> 00:28:29,130
This is where
I met Ronnie, uh, with Ritchie,
562
00:28:29,171 --> 00:28:31,507
and he introduced me
to Ronnie.
563
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:33,634
And they invited me to go
to a party afterwards
564
00:28:33,676 --> 00:28:36,011
up at their house,
and so I went up there.
565
00:28:36,053 --> 00:28:40,433
We talked, and, uh,
followed me around a lot.
566
00:28:40,474 --> 00:28:42,727
I said,
"He's too short for me."
567
00:28:42,768 --> 00:28:45,271
But then he talked to me more,
568
00:28:45,312 --> 00:28:48,149
and we talked on the phone,
and Ronnie being Ronnie,
569
00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:51,652
he's a very personal person,
he was so interesting
570
00:28:51,694 --> 00:28:55,406
and such a very wonderful person
571
00:28:55,448 --> 00:28:58,200
who loved animals as I did.
572
00:28:58,242 --> 00:29:02,163
He love to talk about books,
movies, uh, everything.
573
00:29:02,204 --> 00:29:04,123
I think I fell in love
with his brain, actually,
574
00:29:04,165 --> 00:29:06,917
and the way he was,
his graciousness.
575
00:29:06,959 --> 00:29:12,923
You felt the same way
576
00:29:12,965 --> 00:29:16,594
And then he went
on tour with Rainbow.
577
00:29:16,635 --> 00:29:18,888
And then he asked me
to go on the road with him.
578
00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:21,849
I'd only known him for
a few weeks, and I said,
579
00:29:21,891 --> 00:29:23,476
"No, I can't quit my job.
580
00:29:23,517 --> 00:29:25,936
"I'll come
for a couple of days,"
581
00:29:25,978 --> 00:29:27,563
which ended up
being a couple of months,
582
00:29:27,605 --> 00:29:29,523
which ended up being
for the rest of my life.
583
00:29:34,153 --> 00:29:38,449
melancholy instrumental
584
00:29:38,491 --> 00:29:42,286
We were both young when
we were experiencing the road.
585
00:29:42,328 --> 00:29:43,913
And it was fun for a while,
586
00:29:43,954 --> 00:29:47,041
and then it got
a little bit tense.
587
00:29:47,082 --> 00:29:49,210
Rainbow are enormous in Japan.
588
00:29:49,251 --> 00:29:51,712
Rainbow are bigger in Japan
than The Stones.
589
00:29:51,754 --> 00:29:54,715
Rainbow are huge
in Britain and Europe.
590
00:29:54,757 --> 00:29:58,302
Rainbow are not huge in America.
591
00:29:58,344 --> 00:30:02,723
In America,
Rainbow never got there
592
00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:04,809
with Ronnie as the singer,
593
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:08,229
and I know that that bothered
Blackmore tremendously.
594
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,648
And he was consumed
595
00:30:10,689 --> 00:30:13,776
with getting Rainbow
on U.S. radio.
596
00:30:13,818 --> 00:30:16,487
Long Live Rock 'n' Roll
was the last Rainbow album.
597
00:30:16,529 --> 00:30:18,405
They're working on
the next one, early stages.
598
00:30:18,447 --> 00:30:21,492
Ritchie decided
it was time to get a hit.
599
00:30:21,534 --> 00:30:23,953
I was staying at
Bruce's house one day.
600
00:30:23,994 --> 00:30:26,455
And he played me a song,
"Since You've Been Gone."
601
00:30:26,497 --> 00:30:30,000
Since you've been gone,
since you've been gone
602
00:30:30,042 --> 00:30:33,796
I'm out of my head,
can't take it
603
00:30:33,838 --> 00:30:36,173
He said,
"Well, Ritchie wants to do it."
604
00:30:36,215 --> 00:30:38,300
I said, "Get outta here.
605
00:30:38,342 --> 00:30:41,011
"After...
after what he's done?"
606
00:30:41,053 --> 00:30:42,471
You know, especially
with Rainbow rising,
607
00:30:42,513 --> 00:30:44,390
how could he want to do this?
608
00:30:59,822 --> 00:31:01,490
You know, Ronnie spent,
you know,
609
00:31:01,532 --> 00:31:04,535
the first 10, 15 years
of his career
610
00:31:04,577 --> 00:31:08,038
putting on a suit,
looking for the hit song.
611
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,331
You know, this is
something he'd left behind
612
00:31:09,373 --> 00:31:11,041
many years ago
613
00:31:11,083 --> 00:31:15,212
and believed that the unique
selling point of Rainbow
614
00:31:15,254 --> 00:31:19,008
had nothing to do with
"Since You Been Gone, Baby."
615
00:31:19,049 --> 00:31:20,509
And Ronnie spoke up.
616
00:31:20,551 --> 00:31:22,511
He stayed true to himself,
617
00:31:22,553 --> 00:31:26,473
and I think it really
pissed off a few people.
618
00:31:26,515 --> 00:31:28,392
It got very tense,
619
00:31:28,434 --> 00:31:31,645
and so Ronnie
was actually fired.
620
00:31:31,687 --> 00:31:35,941
Since you've been gone,
since you've been gone
621
00:31:35,983 --> 00:31:39,695
I'm out of my head,
can't take it
622
00:31:39,737 --> 00:31:42,448
That was the time
623
00:31:42,489 --> 00:31:45,200
where Rainbow
did get airplay in America.
624
00:31:45,242 --> 00:31:48,621
It wasn't with Ronnie.
625
00:31:48,662 --> 00:31:52,541
For Ronnie on a personal level,
it was a disaster.
626
00:31:52,583 --> 00:31:55,127
He and Wendy were in a situation
627
00:31:55,169 --> 00:31:57,379
where the house they lived in,
628
00:31:57,421 --> 00:31:59,423
you know,
was owned by the band.
629
00:31:59,465 --> 00:32:02,176
Uh, Ronnie didn't
even see any royalties.
630
00:32:02,217 --> 00:32:04,929
This is a guy who
co-wrote all the big songs.
631
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:07,473
Ronnie didn't get
any royalties from Rainbow
632
00:32:07,514 --> 00:32:09,934
until after he died.
633
00:32:09,975 --> 00:32:12,770
So they had no money.
634
00:32:12,811 --> 00:32:15,773
You know, Ronnie was
a very, very proud, man.
635
00:32:15,814 --> 00:32:18,233
He didn't want to admit
that he'd been hurt by this.
636
00:32:18,275 --> 00:32:22,112
He didn't want to admit
that maybe he'd blown it.
637
00:32:34,124 --> 00:32:38,087
I was a young Sabbath fan.
I remember watching
638
00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:40,297
Don Kirshner's rock concerts,
seeing them do,
639
00:32:40,339 --> 00:32:43,133
"Never Say Die" live
without lip syncing.
640
00:32:47,346 --> 00:32:49,974
You could tell that Ozzy
was sounding a little rough
641
00:32:50,015 --> 00:32:54,269
and kind of just
doing that penguin clap,
642
00:32:54,311 --> 00:32:56,647
you know,
just running around, just,
643
00:32:56,689 --> 00:32:58,941
looks like a wind-up toy
after a while.
644
00:32:58,983 --> 00:33:01,860
Black Sabbath is
pretty much yesterday's news
645
00:33:01,902 --> 00:33:03,946
in the late '70s.
646
00:33:03,988 --> 00:33:06,115
The original Black Sabbath
647
00:33:06,156 --> 00:33:07,825
is some of the greatest metal
ever made.
648
00:33:07,866 --> 00:33:09,785
No one was disputing that.
649
00:33:09,827 --> 00:33:11,662
But at that point,
ten years into the business,
650
00:33:11,704 --> 00:33:14,206
coming off of a couple
lackluster records,
651
00:33:14,248 --> 00:33:17,501
beat up from the road,
it was a mess at that time.
652
00:33:17,543 --> 00:33:22,172
Things weren't working out
at the end of the '70s for us.
653
00:33:22,214 --> 00:33:25,009
I think it was probably
a lot of different things.
654
00:33:25,050 --> 00:33:27,177
Disarray.
Maybe "disillusionment"
655
00:33:27,219 --> 00:33:29,179
might be a better word.
656
00:33:29,221 --> 00:33:31,473
We'd been in
rock 'n' roll for years, man.
657
00:33:31,515 --> 00:33:34,101
All of them were very badly riddled
658
00:33:34,143 --> 00:33:35,936
with drug problems.
659
00:33:35,978 --> 00:33:38,772
Ozzy was considered, like,
a huge mess and can't sing,
660
00:33:38,814 --> 00:33:40,357
can't write, can't do this.
661
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:42,860
He was just a crazy dude
from Birmingham,
662
00:33:42,901 --> 00:33:44,778
like a juvenile delinquent.
663
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:46,363
He was never a professional,
664
00:33:46,405 --> 00:33:47,781
and that's what
was great about him.
665
00:33:47,823 --> 00:33:50,242
And Ozzy's a sweetheart.
We all know that.
666
00:33:50,284 --> 00:33:53,495
But he... he was crazy in...
in the '70s.
667
00:33:53,537 --> 00:33:55,247
I mean,
one night at the Rainbow,
668
00:33:55,289 --> 00:33:58,000
he set himself on fire
at a booth in the Rainbow.
669
00:33:58,042 --> 00:34:01,170
Fire extinguisher came out.
He could have died.
670
00:34:01,211 --> 00:34:02,963
He's laughing his ass off.
671
00:34:03,005 --> 00:34:05,382
And... And Oz,
he came to such a place.
672
00:34:05,424 --> 00:34:07,551
He needed to leave.
673
00:34:07,593 --> 00:34:12,222
Ozzy leaves,
and everybody was just like...
674
00:34:12,264 --> 00:34:16,643
"Ok, so that's it,
they're done.
675
00:34:16,685 --> 00:34:19,021
"Black Sabbath is just done."
676
00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:28,238
So, by the end of the '70s,
677
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,741
Ronnie and Wendy
take off for L.A.
678
00:34:30,783 --> 00:34:33,911
Ronnie would not
go down the, you know,
679
00:34:33,952 --> 00:34:37,081
"Hey, baby,
let's have a hit," route.
680
00:34:37,122 --> 00:34:39,833
He's already in his 30s.
681
00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:43,253
He's already been around
the block a zillion times.
682
00:34:43,295 --> 00:34:45,422
He's got no career.
683
00:34:45,464 --> 00:34:47,925
I mean, you know, "What the fuck
am I gonna do?"
684
00:34:47,966 --> 00:34:51,887
rock instrumental
685
00:34:51,929 --> 00:34:53,347
But the Rainbow
seems to have been
686
00:34:53,388 --> 00:34:55,057
such a lucky place for him.
687
00:34:55,099 --> 00:34:59,895
You know,
he meets Wendy in the Rainbow.
688
00:34:59,937 --> 00:35:02,689
And now who does he
meet in the Rainbow one night?
689
00:35:02,731 --> 00:35:05,484
Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath.
690
00:35:05,526 --> 00:35:10,948
Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath,
who has just sacked Ozzy.
691
00:35:17,955 --> 00:35:20,624
At the Rainbow
Bar and Grill, I met Tony.
692
00:35:20,666 --> 00:35:22,793
Saw him and I went
to the rehearsal place.
693
00:35:22,835 --> 00:35:25,254
I only went up there
just to say, "Hello."
694
00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:27,131
He came over to the house
695
00:35:27,172 --> 00:35:31,802
and, um, I played him
a bit of the stuff,
696
00:35:31,844 --> 00:35:33,637
some of the riffs I got.
697
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,473
And, uh, he said, "Oh, let me
have a go at that."
698
00:35:36,515 --> 00:35:38,559
Went off to the other room and wrote
699
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,561
the beginning
and a verse to a song called,
700
00:35:40,602 --> 00:35:42,229
"Children the Sea."
701
00:35:42,271 --> 00:35:45,566
In the misty morning
702
00:35:45,607 --> 00:35:49,319
On the edge of time
703
00:35:49,361 --> 00:35:52,656
We lost the rising sun
704
00:35:52,698 --> 00:35:55,784
The fire inside
705
00:35:55,826 --> 00:35:57,995
He'd walk out and just sing.
706
00:35:58,036 --> 00:35:59,621
You know,
this voice would come out.
707
00:35:59,663 --> 00:36:02,541
I mean, he was just,
you know, unbelievable.
708
00:36:02,583 --> 00:36:04,751
When he first
got offered the job
709
00:36:04,793 --> 00:36:06,628
in Black Sabbath, he was like,
710
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:08,630
"I don't know if
I like this music or not."
711
00:36:08,672 --> 00:36:10,299
And I said, "We have
$800 left in the bank.
712
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:11,842
You love this music."
713
00:36:16,096 --> 00:36:18,640
And so he...
714
00:36:18,682 --> 00:36:20,976
he joined the band,
and he did love the music.
715
00:36:21,018 --> 00:36:23,437
This was going into a band that to me,
716
00:36:23,478 --> 00:36:25,314
had been the heavy metal band,
717
00:36:25,355 --> 00:36:28,859
a band that didn't
apologize for coming to town.
718
00:36:28,901 --> 00:36:30,903
It just stepped on buildings
when it came to town.
719
00:36:30,944 --> 00:36:33,739
And to be included in that band
was very special to me.
720
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:37,284
Takin' over for Ozzy in Sabbath?
721
00:36:37,326 --> 00:36:40,662
Can you imagine the pressure?
722
00:36:40,704 --> 00:36:42,706
To replace a singer is...
really a...
723
00:36:42,748 --> 00:36:44,708
It can go either way.
724
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:47,211
And then putting in Ronnie,
in a tough spot, really.
725
00:36:47,252 --> 00:36:49,046
You know, again,
I'm a very positive person.
726
00:36:49,087 --> 00:36:50,547
I said to them,
727
00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:52,049
"They're never gonna say
anything bad about you.
728
00:36:52,090 --> 00:36:52,966
They're only gonna
say something bad
729
00:36:53,008 --> 00:36:54,843
about the new guy who came in.
730
00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:56,553
And my shoulders
are big enough to take it.
731
00:36:56,595 --> 00:36:57,930
You know what we'll do? We're
gonna write some great songs.
732
00:36:57,971 --> 00:36:59,806
Don't worry about it.
I'll take care of it."
733
00:36:59,848 --> 00:37:02,142
At this point, I'm working
for the biggest, uh,
734
00:37:02,184 --> 00:37:05,896
rock and heavy metal
P.R. company in the U.K.
735
00:37:05,938 --> 00:37:09,983
Suddenly, it comes 'round,
"Sabbath have sacked Ozzy,
736
00:37:10,025 --> 00:37:12,152
but they're gonna bring
Ronnie James Dio in."
737
00:37:12,194 --> 00:37:13,820
And there was
a lot of blowback.
738
00:37:13,862 --> 00:37:15,948
"Where's Ozzy?
This guy can't be Ozzy."
739
00:37:15,989 --> 00:37:18,116
From the outside looking in,
740
00:37:18,158 --> 00:37:19,785
it doesn't sound promising.
741
00:37:19,826 --> 00:37:21,995
It does not sound promising.
742
00:37:22,037 --> 00:37:27,084
They had to rise above
and create an album
743
00:37:27,125 --> 00:37:30,128
that was far above anything
744
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:32,089
that they had
done in the past.
745
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:34,967
mystical instrumental
746
00:37:37,886 --> 00:37:40,222
You could think it's good,
you could think it's bad
747
00:37:40,264 --> 00:37:42,432
but you don't know
until the audience, the fans,
748
00:37:42,474 --> 00:37:45,560
they're going to tell you
if it's good or not.
749
00:37:45,602 --> 00:37:48,939
As a fan, you're
established to the singer,
750
00:37:48,981 --> 00:37:50,440
the drummer, the guitar player,
whoever...
751
00:37:50,482 --> 00:37:52,276
that's the band.
752
00:37:52,317 --> 00:37:54,111
And if there's something
that's different,
753
00:37:54,152 --> 00:37:56,280
what's going on, you know?
754
00:37:56,321 --> 00:37:58,949
Is it even gonna work?
Is it even gonna connect?
755
00:37:58,991 --> 00:38:01,410
Now, of course, there's
always gonna be a lot of, like,
756
00:38:01,451 --> 00:38:04,288
die-hard Sabbath followers
who are like,
757
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:09,209
"No, there's only one singer
of Black Sabbath."
758
00:38:09,251 --> 00:38:13,380
And then, all of a sudden,
here comes Ronnie James Dio.
759
00:38:17,259 --> 00:38:21,471
I think it's a creation that
happened many realms ago
760
00:38:21,513 --> 00:38:24,433
that Ronnie would be
the singer in Sabbath.
761
00:38:24,474 --> 00:38:27,269
It's all been written in stone.
762
00:38:28,645 --> 00:38:30,522
He was supposed to be there.
763
00:38:30,564 --> 00:38:32,607
He was supposed to replace Ozzy.
764
00:38:32,649 --> 00:38:35,068
He was supposed
to take that microphone.
765
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:37,904
He was supposed to write
"Heaven and Hell."
766
00:38:48,832 --> 00:38:52,794
When it actually starts to
blast out through the speakers
767
00:38:52,836 --> 00:38:56,923
and it's like, "Well, let's see
what you got, dude." You know?
768
00:39:01,887 --> 00:39:04,473
Sing me a song
769
00:39:04,514 --> 00:39:08,060
You're a singer
770
00:39:08,101 --> 00:39:12,522
Do me a wrong,
you're a bringer of evil
771
00:39:12,564 --> 00:39:14,775
The devil is...
772
00:39:14,816 --> 00:39:17,027
And then when everybody
had saw what Ronnie had got...
773
00:39:17,069 --> 00:39:19,321
it's like, "Ok."
774
00:39:19,363 --> 00:39:23,033
So, it's on and on and on
775
00:39:23,075 --> 00:39:26,661
It's heaven and hell
776
00:39:26,703 --> 00:39:29,289
There was just like,
this is what I have
777
00:39:29,331 --> 00:39:33,168
always wanted to hear were
those Black Sabbath riffs,
778
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,420
with Ronnie's voice.
779
00:39:35,462 --> 00:39:39,383
It goes on and on and on
780
00:39:39,424 --> 00:39:43,345
Heaven and hell
781
00:39:43,387 --> 00:39:48,266
I can tell
782
00:39:50,685 --> 00:39:52,646
Everything about it was great.
783
00:39:52,687 --> 00:39:54,940
I mean, "Heaven and Hell"
is probably to this day
784
00:39:54,981 --> 00:39:56,858
my favorite Sabbath record.
785
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,903
It's a masterpiece in...
in a lot of... in a lot of ways.
786
00:39:59,945 --> 00:40:02,656
And it's a very,
very important record.
787
00:40:02,697 --> 00:40:06,201
One of the best albums ever.
Period.
788
00:40:14,418 --> 00:40:16,336
Ronnie was a big dreamer,
789
00:40:16,378 --> 00:40:19,172
but he wasn't afraid
to tell you,
790
00:40:19,214 --> 00:40:22,092
if you're gonna fall,
you can't be frightened.
791
00:40:22,134 --> 00:40:24,219
You've got to get up
and do it again.
792
00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:25,887
I made the statement that was,
793
00:40:25,929 --> 00:40:27,931
that I've
always wanted to make,
794
00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:29,766
which was, "The world
is full of kings and queens
795
00:40:29,808 --> 00:40:31,309
who blind your eyes
and steal your dreams.
796
00:40:31,351 --> 00:40:33,603
And that all
means they're your dreams.
797
00:40:33,645 --> 00:40:35,105
If you have those dreams,
798
00:40:35,147 --> 00:40:36,398
don't let
anyone rob you of those,
799
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,941
those wonderful ideas."
800
00:40:37,983 --> 00:40:39,609
That statement
has been something
801
00:40:39,651 --> 00:40:41,820
that I've tried to
live with in my life.
802
00:40:52,956 --> 00:40:57,002
This is Ronnie's
very iconic white blouse.
803
00:40:57,043 --> 00:40:58,962
He wore this when he was...
804
00:40:59,004 --> 00:41:01,631
the first round
of Black Sabbath in the '80s.
805
00:41:01,673 --> 00:41:03,633
He loved this shirt. He loved...
806
00:41:03,675 --> 00:41:06,136
always loved these sleeves,
these medieval sleeves.
807
00:41:06,178 --> 00:41:09,973
Going into Sabbath with the sleeves
808
00:41:10,015 --> 00:41:12,642
and the drama,
809
00:41:12,684 --> 00:41:17,898
he was able to captivate people
with an amazing presence.
810
00:41:17,939 --> 00:41:19,566
Well, yeah,
it did become more mystical.
811
00:41:19,608 --> 00:41:21,401
And we built up
the stage show,
812
00:41:21,443 --> 00:41:23,153
basically around the image of...
813
00:41:23,195 --> 00:41:27,824
uh, he had got this
theatrical way about him.
814
00:41:27,866 --> 00:41:30,076
I was always a little bit
intimidated by Ronnie
815
00:41:30,118 --> 00:41:31,828
because of not only his voice,
816
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:33,955
but everything else
around him.
817
00:41:33,997 --> 00:41:36,333
He projected something,
you know.
818
00:41:36,374 --> 00:41:38,668
"Oh, my God, there's Dio?"
819
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:41,046
But on those occasions
that we did get a chance
820
00:41:41,087 --> 00:41:43,840
to sit and talk,
he was just a very comforting,
821
00:41:43,882 --> 00:41:47,677
welcoming kind of a guy
in every aspect.
822
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,138
Every time I was with him,
we'd laugh.
823
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:54,559
We would laugh our asses off.
824
00:41:54,601 --> 00:41:57,437
Clownish behavior,
boyish, you know?
825
00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:05,278
And that...
that behavior was very rampant.
826
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,697
He was just Ronnie.
He was just mellow.
827
00:42:07,739 --> 00:42:11,201
But when he sang,
he became a character.
828
00:42:11,243 --> 00:42:13,203
'Cause Dio,
not Ronnie and Ronnie James,
829
00:42:13,245 --> 00:42:16,706
Dio was a huge character.
830
00:42:26,341 --> 00:42:29,052
Ozzy Osbourne, obviously,
was there before me,
831
00:42:29,094 --> 00:42:31,888
was throwing the peace sign
around everywhere.
832
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:33,974
I felt something else
was, you know,
833
00:42:34,015 --> 00:42:35,517
was needed to incorporate me
834
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,727
into my own thing
with that band.
835
00:42:37,769 --> 00:42:39,980
You know,
I worked with Dio in Sabbath
836
00:42:40,021 --> 00:42:41,398
as his publicist.
837
00:42:41,439 --> 00:42:43,275
And I'll never forget this.
838
00:42:43,316 --> 00:42:45,277
Ronnie said,
"I thought about this thing,
839
00:42:45,318 --> 00:42:48,738
and I think it could be
a bridge between Ozzy and me."
840
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:51,241
And he said,
"What do you think of this?"
841
00:42:51,283 --> 00:42:53,577
I said, "What's that?"
842
00:42:53,618 --> 00:42:57,455
He goes,
"I'm thinking, it's like Ozzy,
843
00:42:57,497 --> 00:42:59,457
spirit of Ozzy is still here.
844
00:42:59,499 --> 00:43:03,086
This is still Black Sabbath,
but it's me now."
845
00:43:03,128 --> 00:43:06,381
I went, "That's brilliant."
846
00:43:06,423 --> 00:43:08,592
It was iconic as
soon as you saw it.
847
00:43:08,633 --> 00:43:11,219
Even if you didn't know
what it meant, it was iconic.
848
00:43:11,261 --> 00:43:13,430
What's he doing?
849
00:43:13,471 --> 00:43:16,057
It became a trademark
for him, you know, to do that.
850
00:43:16,099 --> 00:43:18,602
And... And the fans,
you know, attached to that.
851
00:43:18,643 --> 00:43:20,770
Now, in a situation which is
not even involving metal,
852
00:43:20,812 --> 00:43:24,566
you see crowds,
and they're like, "Ah."
853
00:43:24,608 --> 00:43:26,901
I mean, even today,
you go on Facebook,
854
00:43:26,943 --> 00:43:29,946
and there's all these kind
of middle-aged women going,
855
00:43:29,988 --> 00:43:32,240
When you see somebody do that,
856
00:43:32,282 --> 00:43:34,117
you know where it
came from, you know,
857
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:35,785
who originated that.
858
00:43:35,827 --> 00:43:37,871
People think this
means something
859
00:43:37,912 --> 00:43:40,081
other than what it really is.
860
00:43:40,123 --> 00:43:43,126
If you'd all join us,
I'll tell you what it means.
861
00:43:43,168 --> 00:43:44,919
Ronnie who'd always,
862
00:43:44,961 --> 00:43:46,630
he'd grown up in
the Italian family, of course,
863
00:43:46,671 --> 00:43:48,423
would walk around
with his grandmother.
864
00:43:48,465 --> 00:43:50,467
And his grandmother
was very superstitious
865
00:43:50,508 --> 00:43:52,636
and she would walk around
going like this,
866
00:43:52,677 --> 00:43:55,472
to ward off evil
or give the evil eye
867
00:43:55,513 --> 00:43:58,224
or ward the evil eye off,
which is called the malocchio.
868
00:43:58,266 --> 00:44:00,477
So, this, what we now
call the devil horns,
869
00:44:00,518 --> 00:44:03,146
that is Ronnie James Dio,
and it was out something
870
00:44:03,188 --> 00:44:06,566
his fierce-looking grandmother
used to do.
871
00:44:06,608 --> 00:44:10,070
It means, "Long live
rock 'n' roll." Put 'em up!
872
00:44:12,656 --> 00:44:16,159
And suddenly,
by the end of every show,
873
00:44:16,201 --> 00:44:18,620
the whole audience
was doing it back.
874
00:44:18,662 --> 00:44:20,455
And again, it was
another one of those moments,
875
00:44:20,497 --> 00:44:22,916
I thought, "This is
interesting shit here.
876
00:44:22,957 --> 00:44:25,168
You know,
this is really interesting.
877
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:29,673
He's gonna work this
until it is just his band."
878
00:44:29,714 --> 00:44:33,343
And that's exactly what he did.
879
00:44:33,385 --> 00:44:37,514
So come with me,
I'll give you the desire
880
00:44:37,555 --> 00:44:41,601
But first,
you're gonna burn in fire
881
00:44:43,353 --> 00:44:45,021
The rest,
as they say, is history.
882
00:44:45,063 --> 00:44:46,189
I mean, I'm not the only person
who's ever used it, of course,
883
00:44:46,231 --> 00:44:47,691
but you know, I must say
884
00:44:47,732 --> 00:44:49,526
that I've been
the one who's used it most
885
00:44:49,567 --> 00:44:51,486
and probably
the most known for it now.
886
00:44:51,528 --> 00:44:54,155
It's only meant as
a, you know, connection
887
00:44:54,197 --> 00:44:55,990
between the...
the music that we play,
888
00:44:56,032 --> 00:44:58,326
which is hard and heavy
and pretty damn evil.
889
00:44:58,368 --> 00:45:02,789
So, uh, that's what
that's all about, anyway.
890
00:45:02,831 --> 00:45:06,626
The whole thing
was difficult for me.
891
00:45:06,668 --> 00:45:09,295
And Ronnie knew that
I was, um,
892
00:45:09,337 --> 00:45:12,674
feeling uncomfortable
with certain things.
893
00:45:12,716 --> 00:45:15,135
I really missed Oz.
894
00:45:15,176 --> 00:45:17,053
I felt like
I'd lost a best friend.
895
00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:19,806
And so I was grieving there,
896
00:45:19,848 --> 00:45:22,559
and my drinking
had accelerated.
897
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,354
And that plays
a huge part in my departure
898
00:45:26,396 --> 00:45:28,022
from Black Sabbath.
899
00:45:28,064 --> 00:45:30,483
But Ronnie was
supportive towards me
900
00:45:30,525 --> 00:45:33,903
as a... as a person throughout.
901
00:45:33,945 --> 00:45:37,657
So, that's how
I first met Ronnie,
902
00:45:37,699 --> 00:45:39,409
and we hit it off right away.
903
00:45:39,451 --> 00:45:41,661
He's from upstate New York...
Cortland.
904
00:45:41,703 --> 00:45:43,246
And I'm from Brooklyn, New York.
905
00:45:43,288 --> 00:45:45,749
And, uh, Tony and Geezer...
906
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:47,917
I couldn't
understand them very well.
907
00:45:47,959 --> 00:45:49,919
I was pretty young,
908
00:45:49,961 --> 00:45:51,421
and they were kind of
scary-looking
909
00:45:51,463 --> 00:45:56,259
with the mustaches and,
you know, "These are the guys."
910
00:45:56,301 --> 00:45:57,927
And they talk to me and I go,
911
00:45:57,969 --> 00:46:00,096
"Ronnie, what did they say?"
912
00:46:00,138 --> 00:46:02,307
I'd keep asking Ronnie,
913
00:46:02,348 --> 00:46:06,519
"What'd he say?
What does that mean? "Blimey"?"
914
00:46:09,773 --> 00:46:12,358
So Sabbath follows
Heaven and Hell
915
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,402
with Mob Rules.
916
00:46:14,444 --> 00:46:16,821
Mob Rules
is an unbelievable record.
917
00:46:16,863 --> 00:46:19,908
"Sign of the Southern Cross."
Look at my arms.
918
00:46:19,949 --> 00:46:23,578
Just saying the name
of the song does this to me.
919
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:25,955
It's the sign
of the Southern cross
920
00:46:29,292 --> 00:46:33,880
It's the sign
of the Southern cross
921
00:46:33,922 --> 00:46:35,757
Alright!
922
00:46:51,815 --> 00:46:54,400
We finished Mob Rules,
923
00:46:54,442 --> 00:46:57,570
the tour was fantastic,
so everything's going great.
924
00:46:57,612 --> 00:47:01,574
Then,
I don't know what happened,
925
00:47:01,616 --> 00:47:04,869
but it's business between
those guys, three of 'em.
926
00:47:04,911 --> 00:47:07,622
A lot of times
success breeds problems,
927
00:47:07,664 --> 00:47:09,749
and that happened.
928
00:47:09,791 --> 00:47:11,209
I felt that that really did happen,
929
00:47:11,251 --> 00:47:12,961
that, uh, all of the bad things
930
00:47:13,002 --> 00:47:18,758
that... that could be used
were used, you know,
931
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,388
from drug abuse
to, um, mental abuse.
932
00:47:23,429 --> 00:47:25,640
I'm not sure what happened.
933
00:47:25,682 --> 00:47:29,394
It was, uh...
I mean, we were all, uh, doing
934
00:47:29,435 --> 00:47:32,689
quite a bit
of nose powder at the time.
935
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:35,984
This is the era of cocaine.
Everybody in the music business
936
00:47:36,025 --> 00:47:39,904
is doing too much cocaine,
but not at all, Ronnie Dio.
937
00:47:39,946 --> 00:47:45,201
That was... It was never...
never his thing, and they clashed.
938
00:47:56,421 --> 00:47:58,089
You know, sorry.
939
00:48:15,648 --> 00:48:20,528
It... It got difficult for
him behind the scenes.
940
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:23,531
Egos getting involved.
941
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:26,034
We recorded the Live Evil album,
942
00:48:26,075 --> 00:48:29,704
and the mixing of that record
became a problem.
943
00:48:29,746 --> 00:48:31,414
When we're
doing the Live album,
944
00:48:31,456 --> 00:48:35,668
he did get sort of...
upset about things.
945
00:48:35,710 --> 00:48:37,545
Ronnie could be
fierce, very fierce.
946
00:48:37,587 --> 00:48:41,341
He cared about
every single detail.
947
00:48:41,382 --> 00:48:43,217
I've heard a lot
of rumors, you know,
948
00:48:43,259 --> 00:48:44,385
that I'm a control freak
and you know,
949
00:48:44,427 --> 00:48:47,096
that, of course, led to, uh,
950
00:48:47,138 --> 00:48:48,932
"I think we should
let Tony mix this album."
951
00:48:48,973 --> 00:48:50,725
In other words,
952
00:48:50,767 --> 00:48:52,602
"Your services are
not required anymore."
953
00:48:52,644 --> 00:48:54,354
Dio joined the band,
954
00:48:54,395 --> 00:48:56,606
and he turned it into
something incredible.
955
00:48:56,648 --> 00:48:58,650
But don't forget,
Tony's still thinking,
956
00:48:58,691 --> 00:49:01,736
"Yeah, but I built this band
for ten years
957
00:49:01,778 --> 00:49:05,114
before you came along
and I offered you the gig."
958
00:49:05,156 --> 00:49:07,951
Another gram of coke, and it
gets even worse than that.
959
00:49:07,992 --> 00:49:11,996
Two more grams and, "I don't
even know who the fuck you are.
960
00:49:12,038 --> 00:49:14,040
Why don't you fuck off
and back where you came from?"
961
00:49:14,082 --> 00:49:17,168
It just got to the point
962
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:20,171
where Ronnie
wasn't happy anymore.
963
00:49:20,213 --> 00:49:22,256
It was his choice to leavem
and he left.
964
00:49:22,298 --> 00:49:28,221
Lonely is the word
965
00:49:28,262 --> 00:49:30,765
He had
been through Rainbow,
966
00:49:30,807 --> 00:49:34,644
and even when he found
the sweet smell of success,
967
00:49:34,686 --> 00:49:36,896
it turned sour so quick.
968
00:49:36,938 --> 00:49:39,649
And then he does it again
with Sabbath,
969
00:49:39,691 --> 00:49:42,694
and it turned sour so quick.
970
00:49:56,249 --> 00:49:58,835
You know, it was a very
traumatic time for me.
971
00:49:58,876 --> 00:50:00,628
You don't go from being,
you know,
972
00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:02,171
one of the biggest
bands in the world
973
00:50:02,213 --> 00:50:05,091
to not having a job anymore,
and what do you do?
974
00:50:05,133 --> 00:50:06,676
To me,
it's always what comes next
975
00:50:06,718 --> 00:50:08,136
and what your ideas are,
976
00:50:08,177 --> 00:50:10,263
how many chances
you want to take.
977
00:50:10,304 --> 00:50:12,682
I had no one, you know?
So I thought,
978
00:50:12,724 --> 00:50:14,642
"Well, better get
off your ass and go out
979
00:50:14,684 --> 00:50:16,477
and start writing songs
on your own."
980
00:50:18,563 --> 00:50:21,315
I had a garage in the back,
and off the side of the garage
981
00:50:21,357 --> 00:50:24,318
was this tiny little shed
kind of thing.
982
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,696
And so I went in there
and went to Radio Shack
983
00:50:26,738 --> 00:50:29,365
and put all these little
boxes and plugged things
984
00:50:29,407 --> 00:50:31,409
into my little
reel-to-reel tape recorder,
985
00:50:31,451 --> 00:50:35,079
and that sounded so terrible
but you know, I loved it.
986
00:50:35,121 --> 00:50:37,415
I woke up and I went out
in that horrible little place
987
00:50:37,457 --> 00:50:39,709
that I set up as
a little living room.
988
00:50:39,751 --> 00:50:41,878
I can do this.
989
00:50:41,919 --> 00:50:44,881
And so for me,
it was like a real genesis.
990
00:50:57,727 --> 00:51:00,563
heavy rock music
991
00:51:00,605 --> 00:51:02,732
I was a wife then.
I wasn't a manager.
992
00:51:02,774 --> 00:51:05,318
And then he said, "Ok,
so now you're managing me."
993
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,488
Oh, this is
like, wait a minute. Um...
994
00:51:08,529 --> 00:51:10,865
I manage your affairs,
995
00:51:10,907 --> 00:51:13,576
but I don't know
about managing a band,
996
00:51:13,618 --> 00:51:16,829
but I figured if
he's got confidence in me,
997
00:51:16,871 --> 00:51:18,706
then I'll do the best I can.
998
00:51:18,748 --> 00:51:20,583
In fact, I think it
was Ritchie who said,
999
00:51:20,625 --> 00:51:22,835
"You know, she just
wants to make him a star."
1000
00:51:22,877 --> 00:51:26,756
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, that was my goal.
1001
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,551
One night, Ronnie goes,
1002
00:51:30,593 --> 00:51:32,428
"Look, I'm gonna
put my own band together.
1003
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:35,389
"You want to join me?"
I went, "Wow. Yeah."
1004
00:51:37,308 --> 00:51:38,768
When we put it together,
it was just me and him.
1005
00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:41,813
He's playing bass.
We played "Holy Diver."
1006
00:51:44,148 --> 00:51:46,734
Ronnie had written
a bunch of material,
1007
00:51:46,776 --> 00:51:50,947
and they begin the search
for the hotshot guitar player
1008
00:51:50,988 --> 00:51:52,573
which everybody had
to have at that time.
1009
00:51:52,615 --> 00:51:55,618
So we went to London.
1010
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:57,662
Vinny and I went,
going around to clubs.
1011
00:51:57,703 --> 00:51:59,914
Here's a band playing.
Let's go see them.
1012
00:51:59,956 --> 00:52:02,500
We went to all
these different clubs.
1013
00:52:02,542 --> 00:52:03,960
And I knew
the kind of player I wanted.
1014
00:52:04,001 --> 00:52:05,461
I didn't like
the style of playing
1015
00:52:05,503 --> 00:52:07,088
that American guitar players
were using at the time.
1016
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:09,006
They all wanted to be
as fast as Eddie Van Halen.
1017
00:52:09,048 --> 00:52:10,675
I mean, after having played
with Tony and with Ritchie,
1018
00:52:10,716 --> 00:52:11,968
I wanted someone
who could be fast,
1019
00:52:12,009 --> 00:52:14,137
but had to have romance
in his soul.
1020
00:52:14,178 --> 00:52:15,763
I said, "You know what?
1021
00:52:15,805 --> 00:52:17,640
"I'm gonna give
Jimmy a call, Jimmy Bain."
1022
00:52:17,682 --> 00:52:19,225
Because of course, Jimmy had
played with me in Rainbow.
1023
00:52:19,267 --> 00:52:20,143
And I thought,
who better to know
1024
00:52:20,184 --> 00:52:21,811
guitar players than Jimmy?"
1025
00:52:21,853 --> 00:52:24,313
So the call was only to ask him
if he knew guitar players.
1026
00:52:24,355 --> 00:52:27,066
Jimmy just assumed that he was
gonna be the bass player.
1027
00:52:27,108 --> 00:52:28,609
So, he was.
1028
00:52:28,651 --> 00:52:32,572
Jimmy called
this guitar player's house
1029
00:52:32,613 --> 00:52:35,324
at two in the morning,
a young shredder from Ireland,
1030
00:52:35,366 --> 00:52:36,993
this guy, Vivian Campbell.
1031
00:52:37,034 --> 00:52:38,828
And the thing
that sold Ronnie,
1032
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:41,164
we were jammin', and then
Viv was all out of things
1033
00:52:41,205 --> 00:52:43,833
to play so he played,
like, a Chuck Berry thing.
1034
00:52:46,043 --> 00:52:48,504
Just in this little section.
That was it.
1035
00:52:48,546 --> 00:52:51,549
The missing ingredient
was Vivian Campbell,
1036
00:52:51,591 --> 00:52:53,384
the guitar hero.
1037
00:52:53,426 --> 00:52:55,678
So, now we've become
a family in a band, Dio.
1038
00:53:03,895 --> 00:53:09,817
These are tapes
that I found that are, uh...
1039
00:53:09,859 --> 00:53:11,611
from the beginning.
1040
00:53:11,652 --> 00:53:14,614
You know,
I haven't heard this stuff.
1041
00:53:14,655 --> 00:53:16,407
"Jam."
1042
00:53:16,449 --> 00:53:20,119
Let's see what's on here.
1043
00:53:20,161 --> 00:53:23,206
1, 2,
1, 2, 3...
1044
00:53:27,335 --> 00:53:30,004
Jam!
1045
00:53:30,046 --> 00:53:31,380
So, we needed
a place to rehearse,
1046
00:53:31,422 --> 00:53:33,883
so Ronnie got this place
called "Sound City."
1047
00:53:33,925 --> 00:53:36,719
It was like every night
at seven o'clock
1048
00:53:36,761 --> 00:53:38,721
going to the boys club.
They let us do anything there.
1049
00:53:38,763 --> 00:53:40,556
They had candy machines.
1050
00:53:40,598 --> 00:53:42,391
We'd go in...
"You want some candy?"
1051
00:53:42,433 --> 00:53:45,228
"Yeah." Boom-boom-boom
till all the candy fell out.
1052
00:53:45,269 --> 00:53:47,313
You know, pinball games.
1053
00:53:47,355 --> 00:53:49,899
We got to make little ramps
so you never lost a ball.
1054
00:53:49,941 --> 00:53:52,568
Have some drinks
and smoked some pot.
1055
00:53:52,610 --> 00:53:55,738
And we were playing.
Life was fantastic.
1056
00:53:59,867 --> 00:54:02,954
Straight through the heart
1057
00:54:02,995 --> 00:54:06,249
So, he's singing that
in the room.
1058
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:09,085
You go, "Holy shit."
1059
00:54:09,126 --> 00:54:11,796
What was the feeling
like with the band back then?
1060
00:54:11,837 --> 00:54:13,506
Oh, it was great.
1061
00:54:13,547 --> 00:54:15,049
It was such a wonderful
family atmosphere,
1062
00:54:15,091 --> 00:54:16,676
just a magical situation
1063
00:54:16,717 --> 00:54:18,010
where everybody
loved being in that room,
1064
00:54:18,052 --> 00:54:20,930
playing, and we experimented.
1065
00:54:23,975 --> 00:54:26,686
So this one's a version
of "Rainbow in the Dark."
1066
00:54:26,727 --> 00:54:28,688
There's no
keyboard part in it.
1067
00:54:28,729 --> 00:54:30,731
Ronnie's still
testing the waters
1068
00:54:30,773 --> 00:54:33,609
with where
the vocals should go.
1069
00:54:33,651 --> 00:54:36,862
When there's lightning
1070
00:54:36,904 --> 00:54:39,699
It always
breaks me down
1071
00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:41,117
We had
"Rainbow in the Dark."
1072
00:54:41,158 --> 00:54:42,868
We're playing it back.
1073
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:45,621
And Jimmy's got
a cigarette in his mouth
1074
00:54:45,663 --> 00:54:47,873
with a big ash ready to fall
1075
00:54:47,915 --> 00:54:49,959
and a Jim Beam and Coke.
1076
00:54:50,001 --> 00:54:51,460
And he goes over to
this little shitty keyboard
1077
00:54:51,502 --> 00:54:53,087
of Ronnie's and he goes,
1078
00:54:56,007 --> 00:54:59,760
And he wrote that part
without the ash fallin'.
1079
00:54:59,802 --> 00:55:01,304
What? That's killer, dude.
1080
00:55:05,308 --> 00:55:08,394
Um, "Rainbow in the Dark."
1081
00:55:08,436 --> 00:55:10,730
uh, it's a song that
I really disliked.
1082
00:55:10,771 --> 00:55:12,773
And when it was finished,
1083
00:55:12,815 --> 00:55:14,942
I announced to
everyone that I was going
1084
00:55:14,984 --> 00:55:17,653
to take a razor blade
and just cut the tape up.
1085
00:55:17,695 --> 00:55:19,155
And so
I went for the razor blade.
1086
00:55:19,196 --> 00:55:21,324
And they all went,
"No, no. Don't, don't."
1087
00:55:21,365 --> 00:55:23,075
And I didn't do that,
1088
00:55:23,117 --> 00:55:24,910
and I thanked them
over and over and over.
1089
00:55:24,952 --> 00:55:27,788
And so, you know, kudos
to them forever and ever.
1090
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:30,916
We were just
having time of our life,
1091
00:55:30,958 --> 00:55:33,169
and the roadies used to go,
1092
00:55:33,210 --> 00:55:37,173
"This is going platinum, dude."
Nah, never.
1093
00:55:40,843 --> 00:55:42,928
At that time,
you had vinyl records
1094
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:46,140
so on the first um,
"Holy Diver,"
1095
00:55:46,182 --> 00:55:48,017
we both wanted
to push the edges,
1096
00:55:48,059 --> 00:55:50,353
and the record company
were not that happy about it,
1097
00:55:50,394 --> 00:55:52,438
but we've got this idea.
1098
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,398
We know what we want.
1099
00:55:56,525 --> 00:55:59,987
In the '80s, I was working,
uh, with Ronnie and Wendy
1100
00:56:00,029 --> 00:56:01,697
on pictures
and just in general,
1101
00:56:01,739 --> 00:56:04,950
doing stuff that they
wanted me to do and everything.
1102
00:56:04,992 --> 00:56:08,454
I get a phone call from
this guy named Gene Hunter.
1103
00:56:08,496 --> 00:56:11,290
He says, "Wendy gave me
your phone number.
1104
00:56:11,332 --> 00:56:14,627
And do you know
of a good cove to go to?"
1105
00:56:14,668 --> 00:56:16,253
I said, "Cove?"
1106
00:56:19,423 --> 00:56:23,177
We ended up down at a place
called Paradise Cove.
1107
00:56:23,219 --> 00:56:26,263
So we get down there,
1108
00:56:26,305 --> 00:56:28,808
and he's got this wet suit
'cause it's really cold.
1109
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:33,062
And on the top
is a priest outfit,
1110
00:56:33,104 --> 00:56:36,315
and he's got the shitload
of chains, a lot of chains.
1111
00:56:36,357 --> 00:56:40,403
I'm going, "What's he doin'?"
1112
00:56:40,444 --> 00:56:43,572
So, he found a spot,
1113
00:56:43,614 --> 00:56:45,991
and he's trying
to drag these chains
1114
00:56:46,033 --> 00:56:48,077
into this middle
of this little cove.
1115
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,913
It looked like he was
standing on a slippery rock
1116
00:56:50,955 --> 00:56:53,999
or something, but he
kept bobbing up and down.
1117
00:56:54,041 --> 00:56:56,252
I'm not taking pictures.
1118
00:56:56,293 --> 00:56:57,962
I'm just... He said,
"Take the fucking picture.
1119
00:56:58,003 --> 00:56:59,964
Take pictures!"
1120
00:57:00,005 --> 00:57:01,632
And he's bobbing
and going up and down.
1121
00:57:01,674 --> 00:57:05,678
So, I'm taking,
and snap, snap, snap.
1122
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,263
"Are you alright?
Are you coming back up?
1123
00:57:07,304 --> 00:57:08,806
Oh, crap. Are you..."
1124
00:57:08,848 --> 00:57:11,392
"Take the pic..."
So he's... Glug-glug.
1125
00:57:11,434 --> 00:57:14,186
I don't know if I took
more than a roll and a half
1126
00:57:14,228 --> 00:57:16,897
before it's like,
this is not good.
1127
00:57:16,939 --> 00:57:18,691
This is now bad
1128
00:57:18,732 --> 00:57:21,277
because it's like
he's trying to breathe.
1129
00:57:21,318 --> 00:57:22,945
And he's trying
to throw me the chain
1130
00:57:22,987 --> 00:57:25,739
to bring him in,
but he can't lift it.
1131
00:57:25,781 --> 00:57:29,452
So I'm slipping.
He's drowning or falling
1132
00:57:29,493 --> 00:57:31,328
and going under again,
and it's like...
1133
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:35,416
So, somehow I yank him.
He pulls, and he gets up.
1134
00:57:35,458 --> 00:57:37,751
He... He's like, half-drowned.
1135
00:57:42,882 --> 00:57:45,968
I got the pictures developed,
and I turned them over to him,
1136
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:49,472
and he said,
"I'm working on the cover
1137
00:57:49,513 --> 00:57:52,266
for this 'Holy Diver' record."
1138
00:57:55,144 --> 00:57:57,396
So after the record
came out, I'm like,
1139
00:57:57,438 --> 00:57:59,982
"That's what we were doing."
1140
00:58:00,024 --> 00:58:03,152
That was him. He was
literally fighting the waves.
1141
00:58:03,194 --> 00:58:07,072
And I was like,
"This is so beyond awesome."
1142
00:58:09,283 --> 00:58:11,285
So Ronnie now, he's been the singer
1143
00:58:11,327 --> 00:58:15,748
of two of the biggest
heavy metal bands in history.
1144
00:58:15,789 --> 00:58:19,418
Now, they say three times
a charm, but not in music.
1145
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:20,794
You know?
This doesn't happen, man.
1146
00:58:20,836 --> 00:58:23,506
But this was Dio.
1147
00:58:23,547 --> 00:58:26,300
He's determined that either
he goes down in flames
1148
00:58:26,342 --> 00:58:30,095
or he finds glory.
1149
00:58:30,137 --> 00:58:32,765
Holy Diver
1150
00:58:32,806 --> 00:58:36,143
You've been down too
long in the midnight sea
1151
00:58:36,185 --> 00:58:38,354
Ronnie and Wendy
have got enough money
1152
00:58:38,395 --> 00:58:40,564
to make this album,
put together a tour,
1153
00:58:40,606 --> 00:58:42,566
pay for it themselves.
1154
00:58:42,608 --> 00:58:45,361
They bet the farm on it.
They really did.
1155
00:58:45,402 --> 00:58:48,405
Huge risk. Uh, we didn't know
what was going to happen.
1156
00:58:48,447 --> 00:58:49,698
We actually mortgaged our house
1157
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:51,659
to take the first tour out.
1158
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:56,330
He had to start the whole
circuit of playing anywhere.
1159
00:58:56,372 --> 00:59:00,042
The first show was Antioch, California.
It was a barn.
1160
00:59:00,084 --> 00:59:02,169
He played Bronco Bowl in Dallas,
1161
00:59:02,211 --> 00:59:03,837
which is a bowling alley.
1162
00:59:03,879 --> 00:59:05,589
So we'd like to do a song for you
1163
00:59:05,631 --> 00:59:08,801
called "Rainbow in the Dark."
Let's go!
1164
00:59:08,842 --> 00:59:11,220
It was just crazy.
You could feel it, the excitement.
1165
00:59:13,097 --> 00:59:16,517
The radio stations here was
playing the shit out of that
1166
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,895
first record, and you just
heard it every 10 minutes.
1167
00:59:19,937 --> 00:59:22,147
When there's lightning
1168
00:59:22,189 --> 00:59:27,069
You know it always brings me down
1169
00:59:27,111 --> 00:59:30,406
We did Santa Monica Civic, sold out in,
1170
00:59:30,447 --> 00:59:33,200
I think, in an hour,
and then they did an in-store
1171
00:59:33,242 --> 00:59:35,035
after that where they
smashed through the window,
1172
00:59:35,077 --> 00:59:37,663
there was so many fans.
1173
00:59:37,705 --> 00:59:40,374
I think, because of the
introduction of a new band
1174
00:59:40,416 --> 00:59:42,585
just under Ronnie's name
1175
00:59:42,626 --> 00:59:45,671
with a new, young
hotshot guitar player...
1176
00:59:48,757 --> 00:59:52,636
Dio, the band,
it was an introduction for him
1177
00:59:52,678 --> 00:59:55,764
to a whole new world,
a whole new start for him,
1178
00:59:55,806 --> 00:59:58,392
this rising scene,
at the time, of heavy metal.
1179
01:00:13,115 --> 01:00:15,284
This is where we'd always sit,
1180
01:00:15,326 --> 01:00:17,286
and there's pictures
of Ronnie and Rainbow there.
1181
01:00:17,328 --> 01:00:19,038
Oh, how young we were.
1182
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,457
So young. Babyface.
They're all babyfaces.
1183
01:00:29,340 --> 01:00:30,591
Soft and warm
1184
01:00:30,633 --> 01:00:32,051
Oh.
1185
01:00:32,092 --> 01:00:34,970
She'll touch my face
1186
01:00:35,012 --> 01:00:37,097
A bed of straw
1187
01:00:37,139 --> 01:00:39,016
There were some
of these songs that I think
1188
01:00:39,058 --> 01:00:41,644
reflect my own trauma
at the time as well.
1189
01:00:41,685 --> 01:00:43,479
I mean, you know,
I had some personal things
1190
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,690
that were going on that
bothered me quite a bit.
1191
01:00:46,732 --> 01:00:48,817
Yeah, in the beginning,
1192
01:00:48,859 --> 01:00:51,945
it was, like, a normal relationship.
1193
01:00:51,987 --> 01:00:54,156
Everything was hunky dory,
you know.
1194
01:00:54,198 --> 01:00:57,534
And then, things changed
between Wendy and Ronnie,
1195
01:00:57,576 --> 01:00:59,745
you know?
1196
01:00:59,787 --> 01:01:01,163
You know, obviously it's
very hard being married
1197
01:01:01,205 --> 01:01:02,956
to a musician for a start,
1198
01:01:02,998 --> 01:01:05,626
and managing him,
as well, was very hard.
1199
01:01:05,668 --> 01:01:08,003
Ronnie was a wonderful, sweet, loving,
1200
01:01:08,045 --> 01:01:10,839
giving person,
but he was a perfectionist.
1201
01:01:10,881 --> 01:01:13,967
He had dreams,
and he was gonna fulfill them.
1202
01:01:14,009 --> 01:01:15,511
And if you were not to his standard,
1203
01:01:15,552 --> 01:01:17,680
you were going to get it.
1204
01:01:17,721 --> 01:01:22,017
He would give it to his crew,
his band, to me.
1205
01:01:22,059 --> 01:01:25,854
So, we had a lot of fights,
a lot of, um...
1206
01:01:25,896 --> 01:01:27,856
I'll leave for a while,
come back for a while,
1207
01:01:27,898 --> 01:01:31,944
back and forth and back and
forth during our relationship.
1208
01:01:31,985 --> 01:01:34,321
You know, their relationship
was unique. Let's face it.
1209
01:01:34,363 --> 01:01:36,156
It wasn't traditional by any means.
1210
01:01:36,198 --> 01:01:38,450
It wasn't just an
artist-manager relationship,
1211
01:01:38,492 --> 01:01:40,661
and it wasn't just a husband
and wife relationship.
1212
01:01:40,703 --> 01:01:43,330
It was a lot of very complex things.
1213
01:01:43,372 --> 01:01:45,582
Any relationship has ups and downs,
1214
01:01:45,624 --> 01:01:47,751
and we had many ups and downs,
1215
01:01:47,793 --> 01:01:49,920
but we were always a team.
1216
01:01:49,962 --> 01:01:51,588
I had his back, he had my back,
1217
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:54,383
so we were gonna
fight to the end together.
1218
01:02:00,222 --> 01:02:02,057
In the early '80s,
1219
01:02:02,099 --> 01:02:04,393
Los Angeles was just the
most exciting place on Earth.
1220
01:02:07,271 --> 01:02:10,399
The early '80s were badass.
They were badass.
1221
01:02:10,441 --> 01:02:13,652
It was magic.
All of a sudden, the Strip came alive.
1222
01:02:13,694 --> 01:02:15,195
Rock bands everywhere,
and there were parties
1223
01:02:15,237 --> 01:02:17,573
every night,
but everybody was into music.
1224
01:02:17,614 --> 01:02:20,576
Everybody was also kind
of into recreational things
1225
01:02:20,617 --> 01:02:22,411
that perhaps weren't
as healthy for you.
1226
01:02:22,453 --> 01:02:24,413
Most of all, there was just
all this great rock music
1227
01:02:24,455 --> 01:02:26,373
and all these great bands.
1228
01:02:26,415 --> 01:02:28,333
And my distinct memory
is Ronnie kind of being
1229
01:02:28,375 --> 01:02:30,252
in the center of all that.
1230
01:02:30,294 --> 01:02:32,755
You know, he fit in in a different way.
1231
01:02:32,796 --> 01:02:34,715
Ronnie wasn't a guy that was like,
1232
01:02:34,757 --> 01:02:36,592
"Hey, let's go out and chase chicks,"
you know?
1233
01:02:36,633 --> 01:02:40,596
Always the conversation seemed
to go to the same thing... music.
1234
01:02:40,637 --> 01:02:43,265
I think he acted more
like a role model.
1235
01:02:43,307 --> 01:02:45,726
There was this whole
undercurrent of metal bands
1236
01:02:45,768 --> 01:02:48,061
around L.A. that looked up to him,
1237
01:02:48,103 --> 01:02:49,772
and he was aware of that,
1238
01:02:49,813 --> 01:02:51,482
and he was very
nurturing to everybody.
1239
01:02:51,523 --> 01:02:52,941
"Are you doing your best?
1240
01:02:52,983 --> 01:02:54,234
Are you doing the greatest thing
1241
01:02:54,276 --> 01:02:56,779
you could possibly be doing?"
1242
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:59,948
Globally, metal was thriving,
1243
01:02:59,990 --> 01:03:03,368
was getting on the radio,
it was selling.
1244
01:03:03,410 --> 01:03:06,580
And it's getting introduced
to a lot of people
1245
01:03:06,622 --> 01:03:09,541
on what was a new thing
at the time called MTV.
1246
01:03:09,583 --> 01:03:13,086
The advantages of the
MTV video explosion,
1247
01:03:13,128 --> 01:03:14,671
you can't understate it, really,
1248
01:03:14,713 --> 01:03:16,381
'cause it... it had a lot of value.
1249
01:03:16,423 --> 01:03:19,343
When I was in Quiet Riot,
"Cum On Feel the Noise"
1250
01:03:19,384 --> 01:03:21,804
was on every half-hour.
It's timing.
1251
01:03:21,845 --> 01:03:24,473
Ronnie had just put
together the Dio band,
1252
01:03:24,515 --> 01:03:28,310
and all of a sudden he's
getting the MTV exposure.
1253
01:03:28,352 --> 01:03:29,895
"Rainbow in the Dark"
became the one that
1254
01:03:29,937 --> 01:03:31,313
MTV played all the time.
1255
01:03:31,355 --> 01:03:32,773
Ronnie loved that one
1256
01:03:32,815 --> 01:03:34,983
because it made him look really tall.
1257
01:03:35,025 --> 01:03:37,611
Him in the white boots on
the roof walking around,
1258
01:03:37,653 --> 01:03:39,446
I was like,
"I want white boots like that."
1259
01:03:39,488 --> 01:03:41,490
Record companies
would dump all this money
1260
01:03:41,532 --> 01:03:44,409
into the music videos.
1261
01:03:44,451 --> 01:03:47,996
I mean, now if you had to
look back, you could probably
1262
01:03:48,038 --> 01:03:49,581
do something way
better with your cellphone.
1263
01:03:49,623 --> 01:03:54,169
It's true.
1264
01:03:54,211 --> 01:03:57,798
So, he was at the forefront of that,
but he... he looked mean.
1265
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,216
You know, he looked tough.
1266
01:03:59,258 --> 01:04:01,927
He was one of the very few artists
1267
01:04:01,969 --> 01:04:04,888
that actually had
that metal image going.
1268
01:04:04,930 --> 01:04:07,224
You know, look at Dokken,
"Breaking the Chains,"
1269
01:04:07,266 --> 01:04:10,060
They got me chained down
in a kimono and I'm like,
1270
01:04:10,102 --> 01:04:13,230
"Oh boy."
And then you cut to Dio...
1271
01:04:13,272 --> 01:04:16,358
That was a totally different vibe.
1272
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,443
Ronnie was pretty much all
about just going out there
1273
01:04:18,485 --> 01:04:22,197
and being as metal
as you could ever be.
1274
01:04:31,707 --> 01:04:34,459
I got this mysterious phone
call from these producers
1275
01:04:34,501 --> 01:04:36,712
that wanted me to come
over to Warner Bros.
1276
01:04:36,753 --> 01:04:39,715
They told me that they
had had great success
1277
01:04:39,756 --> 01:04:42,551
with "Holy Diver," and they
wanted to do something epic
1278
01:04:42,593 --> 01:04:45,721
to launch "The Last in Line."
1279
01:04:45,762 --> 01:04:50,350
So, Jeff, the Warner Bros.
executive, popped a cassette in,
1280
01:04:50,392 --> 01:04:51,810
and I'm going,
"Oh, this is kind of cool,"
1281
01:04:51,852 --> 01:04:54,229
We're a laugh without a tear
1282
01:04:54,271 --> 01:04:57,733
And there's this moment
in that song where...
1283
01:04:57,774 --> 01:05:00,611
We are coming
1284
01:05:00,652 --> 01:05:04,489
And then Ronnie
uncorks his amazing voice,
1285
01:05:04,531 --> 01:05:06,199
and I'm not going to
try to even imitate it.
1286
01:05:06,241 --> 01:05:09,912
Home
1287
01:05:12,748 --> 01:05:15,584
You know, a chill goes down
my spine, and I thought,
1288
01:05:15,626 --> 01:05:18,295
"Ok, I... there could
be a video in this song."
1289
01:05:18,337 --> 01:05:21,131
Jeff pitched me an idea.
1290
01:05:21,173 --> 01:05:25,093
He wanted to have a video
about teenagers in hell.
1291
01:05:25,135 --> 01:05:31,066
So, uh, the studio wants to do
a video about teenagers in hell,
1292
01:05:31,308 --> 01:05:35,604
and Ronnie had a much
more philosophical take on it.
1293
01:05:35,646 --> 01:05:39,441
And he basically told me,
"Well, from birth to death,
1294
01:05:39,483 --> 01:05:42,110
we're all in a line.
1295
01:05:42,152 --> 01:05:45,739
And imagine if you're the last in line."
1296
01:05:47,157 --> 01:05:48,617
And then he says, "And of course,
1297
01:05:48,659 --> 01:05:50,202
you've got to put Murray in it."
1298
01:05:50,243 --> 01:05:52,287
Murray? who's Murray?"
1299
01:05:52,329 --> 01:05:54,706
Well, Murray,
1300
01:05:54,748 --> 01:05:59,419
you think his name would
be Damien or fucking Lucifer.
1301
01:05:59,461 --> 01:06:04,091
Ronnie one day, said "Murray."
So, he became Murray.
1302
01:06:04,132 --> 01:06:09,638
We'll know for the first time
1303
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,933
If we're evil or divine
1304
01:06:12,975 --> 01:06:15,185
We're the last in line
1305
01:06:15,227 --> 01:06:17,646
And so, I basically came up
1306
01:06:17,688 --> 01:06:20,774
with this slightly wonky idea
which is about a, you know,
1307
01:06:20,816 --> 01:06:22,067
a normal teenage kid.
1308
01:06:22,109 --> 01:06:24,027
He's, you know, going around.
1309
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:26,113
He's got his delivery,
and he goes into the elevator,
1310
01:06:26,154 --> 01:06:28,615
and he pushes the button.
1311
01:06:28,657 --> 01:06:31,493
And I kind of took
The Wizard of Oz motif
1312
01:06:31,535 --> 01:06:35,956
of, you know, being swept
up in a tornado and inverted it.
1313
01:06:35,998 --> 01:06:38,083
I got the teenagers in hell,
and I got the line
1314
01:06:38,125 --> 01:06:41,003
and, um, Murray in the distance.
1315
01:06:41,044 --> 01:06:43,588
Last in line
1316
01:06:45,966 --> 01:06:49,678
See how we shine
1317
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,514
All the elements of
Ronnie's career seem
1318
01:06:52,556 --> 01:06:54,975
to come together with Dio,
1319
01:06:55,017 --> 01:06:58,770
the culmination of his
extraordinary presence
1320
01:06:58,812 --> 01:07:02,190
and extraordinary ability to write songs.
1321
01:07:02,232 --> 01:07:05,360
They weren't top 40 songs,
but the key factor
1322
01:07:05,402 --> 01:07:07,696
is that he knew how to connect.
1323
01:07:07,738 --> 01:07:11,575
That was the key,
that very direct connection
1324
01:07:11,616 --> 01:07:14,536
with his audience, which fans felt.
1325
01:07:19,458 --> 01:07:20,792
Is that good?
Is that in focus?
1326
01:07:20,834 --> 01:07:21,918
You got that shit?
1327
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,503
I got it.
1328
01:07:26,131 --> 01:07:30,469
Where I really came
online as a-a metal head,
1329
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:33,972
you know, '80s,
that period was real, like...
1330
01:07:34,014 --> 01:07:36,308
Devil-heavy.
1331
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:39,978
Faceless creatures in robes,
from my study,
1332
01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:42,564
symbolize Druids, which, of course,
1333
01:07:42,606 --> 01:07:45,859
you go back to, uh, Satan worship.
1334
01:07:45,901 --> 01:07:50,363
It was Satan.
There was something extra seductive
1335
01:07:50,405 --> 01:07:54,242
and... and powerful about that.
1336
01:07:54,284 --> 01:07:57,329
Looking back on it now,
there is some humor.
1337
01:07:57,370 --> 01:08:00,707
Alright now, now you're
going to play this backwards?
1338
01:08:00,749 --> 01:08:03,627
Right. And then you'll
hear there's power in Satan.
1339
01:08:03,668 --> 01:08:08,215
There is power in Satan
1340
01:08:08,256 --> 01:08:10,717
Did y'all hear that?
I heard it!
1341
01:08:10,759 --> 01:08:13,470
My mom was a little concerned
1342
01:08:13,512 --> 01:08:16,681
with my consumption of Devil music.
1343
01:08:19,726 --> 01:08:23,188
And she gave me this
tape that was a preacher
1344
01:08:23,230 --> 01:08:25,440
who was talking about evil music.
1345
01:08:25,482 --> 01:08:28,360
Daily, young people are bombarded
1346
01:08:28,401 --> 01:08:32,948
by distorted visual images
and twisted music messages.
1347
01:08:32,989 --> 01:08:35,617
It was supposed to, like,
turn me away from the evil ways
1348
01:08:35,659 --> 01:08:37,494
but I was like, "Oh."
1349
01:08:37,536 --> 01:08:40,747
It was just sort of this rad
tape that turned me on
1350
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:42,791
to new music that I
hadn't listened to before.
1351
01:08:42,833 --> 01:08:45,210
It had the opposite effect of
what it was supposed to do.
1352
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,632
Dio had some Devil.
1353
01:08:50,674 --> 01:08:53,552
Dio's Devil was a
little more theatrical,
1354
01:08:53,593 --> 01:08:55,637
like a Shakespearean Devil.
1355
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:59,558
It's the thing that makes
all great stories interesting
1356
01:08:59,599 --> 01:09:01,351
is like, how good is your villain?
1357
01:09:01,393 --> 01:09:03,562
What's Star Wars without Darth Vader?
1358
01:09:03,603 --> 01:09:06,898
How good is the Bible
without the Devil?
1359
01:09:06,940 --> 01:09:08,775
Dude, no spice.
1360
01:09:08,817 --> 01:09:11,361
There was blowback
of people thinking,
1361
01:09:11,403 --> 01:09:14,364
"Oh, he's just some
sort of demonic guy."
1362
01:09:14,406 --> 01:09:15,907
I'm sure the evangelical church,
for instance,
1363
01:09:15,949 --> 01:09:17,450
in the States, isn't too
happy about what you do.
1364
01:09:17,492 --> 01:09:19,161
Not too pleased, no.
1365
01:09:19,202 --> 01:09:20,954
Well, they think that, uh, I'm the Devil
1366
01:09:20,996 --> 01:09:23,665
or this particular sign means
1367
01:09:23,707 --> 01:09:26,209
I'm putting a curse on you.
1368
01:09:26,251 --> 01:09:28,086
And what does that sign mean,
with two fingers?
1369
01:09:28,128 --> 01:09:31,131
Oh, I just cursed you,
and you're gonna die in hell.
1370
01:09:31,173 --> 01:09:34,968
Well, there's a myth that
the Dio logo says devil
1371
01:09:35,010 --> 01:09:37,220
when turned upside down.
1372
01:09:37,262 --> 01:09:40,056
That's not true at all.
Not at all.
1373
01:09:41,391 --> 01:09:42,976
Christians ruin everything.
1374
01:09:43,018 --> 01:09:45,187
I'm a... I'm an ordained minister,
you know.
1375
01:09:45,228 --> 01:09:47,355
I believe in God and
Jesus and all that stuff.
1376
01:09:47,397 --> 01:09:49,107
They just ruin everything.
They're idiots.
1377
01:09:49,149 --> 01:09:52,903
You want it to be dark.
You want it to be scary.
1378
01:09:52,944 --> 01:09:56,531
You want it to be powerful.
You want it to be intense.
1379
01:09:56,573 --> 01:10:00,035
For Ronnie, it was a tool.
He knew how to communicate.
1380
01:10:00,076 --> 01:10:01,119
I don't believe in
either heaven and hell
1381
01:10:01,161 --> 01:10:03,622
as a place to go to.
1382
01:10:03,663 --> 01:10:06,124
At the end of the day, if we all
just believe in the same thing,
1383
01:10:06,166 --> 01:10:08,210
you know, that we've got a
choice between good and evil.
1384
01:10:08,251 --> 01:10:09,711
Ok, make your choice.
That's all it's about to me.
1385
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:24,392
The whole good and evil thing,
1386
01:10:24,434 --> 01:10:27,812
it came from a very
deep place within him
1387
01:10:27,854 --> 01:10:30,690
where he wanted to empower people.
1388
01:10:30,732 --> 01:10:34,236
He authentically believed
that the weaker guy
1389
01:10:34,277 --> 01:10:36,905
needs to stand up for himself.
1390
01:10:36,947 --> 01:10:39,074
You can accomplish
anything without people
1391
01:10:39,115 --> 01:10:42,244
influencing you to do stuff
that you don't want to do.
1392
01:10:42,285 --> 01:10:44,955
As a kid,
I just remember how strong
1393
01:10:44,996 --> 01:10:46,790
and resonant and powerful it was.
1394
01:11:01,471 --> 01:11:03,640
I've always felt to be
somewhat of a spokesman
1395
01:11:03,682 --> 01:11:05,642
for people who may be lonely,
1396
01:11:05,684 --> 01:11:09,396
maybe have been looked down upon.
1397
01:11:09,437 --> 01:11:11,773
His heart was for the downtrodden
1398
01:11:11,815 --> 01:11:13,608
and the black sheep of the globe.
1399
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:16,194
He was our voice because
that's how he saw himself.
1400
01:11:16,236 --> 01:11:21,616
Climb the rainbow
1401
01:11:21,658 --> 01:11:23,535
You're a star
1402
01:11:23,576 --> 01:11:29,082
We are forever you and I
1403
01:11:29,124 --> 01:11:34,379
We stand
1404
01:11:34,421 --> 01:11:38,300
At the time, uh, they were
doing, uh, "We are the World."
1405
01:11:38,341 --> 01:11:41,219
We are the world
We are the world
1406
01:11:41,261 --> 01:11:42,971
We are the children
1407
01:11:43,013 --> 01:11:45,807
Yeah, we are the children
1408
01:11:45,849 --> 01:11:47,517
Ronnie had wanted to be part of that,
1409
01:11:47,559 --> 01:11:51,021
but we were nasty,
heavy metal, dirty people.
1410
01:11:51,062 --> 01:11:53,523
We are fire and stone
1411
01:11:53,565 --> 01:11:57,319
And we all want to touch a rainbow
1412
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,613
You know, often, metal is marginalized
1413
01:12:00,655 --> 01:12:02,741
and thought of as
lowbrow or whatever.
1414
01:12:02,782 --> 01:12:05,118
So, many times those
artists are not invited
1415
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,246
to the charity events
and the charity recordings.
1416
01:12:08,288 --> 01:12:12,459
So, Ronnie decided to
do his own heavy metal,
1417
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:15,503
"We are the World,"
and it was awesome.
1418
01:12:22,385 --> 01:12:25,180
This project came about
because of a radio-thon
1419
01:12:25,221 --> 01:12:28,933
that the station KLOS held for 2 days.
1420
01:12:28,975 --> 01:12:30,810
Our bass player, Jimmy Bain,
1421
01:12:30,852 --> 01:12:32,270
and guitar player, Vivian Campbell,
1422
01:12:32,312 --> 01:12:33,980
noticed the lack of people
1423
01:12:34,022 --> 01:12:37,650
representing our genre
of music, our kind of stuff.
1424
01:12:37,692 --> 01:12:39,652
Ronnie just wanted to
show that we wanted...
1425
01:12:39,694 --> 01:12:41,529
We want to help, too,
1426
01:12:41,571 --> 01:12:43,782
but do something
that's a little bit different.
1427
01:12:43,823 --> 01:12:47,702
Every single musician
that made it in the '80s,
1428
01:12:47,744 --> 01:12:50,080
you know, we grew
up listening to Ronnie.
1429
01:12:50,121 --> 01:12:53,208
So, any time Ronnie would say,
"Listen, I need you guys,"
1430
01:12:53,249 --> 01:12:55,877
and we'll say, "Yes, we're there,"
1431
01:12:55,919 --> 01:12:57,879
because we wanted to be like him.
1432
01:12:57,921 --> 01:13:00,548
He was a hero to all of us.
1433
01:13:00,590 --> 01:13:03,843
You can think about
anybody who was anybody
1434
01:13:03,885 --> 01:13:06,596
on top at that time, and they were there.
1435
01:13:06,638 --> 01:13:08,056
Do you know a lot of the people
1436
01:13:08,098 --> 01:13:09,766
involved with it?
1437
01:13:09,808 --> 01:13:11,518
Well, I'm meeting
them out there, aren't I?
1438
01:13:11,559 --> 01:13:14,729
I met the Yngwie Malmsteen
person, you know. He's great.
1439
01:13:14,771 --> 01:13:16,481
I like the way he puts
"Yngwie J. Malmsteen"
1440
01:13:16,523 --> 01:13:18,149
on his album,
1441
01:13:18,191 --> 01:13:19,567
so you know, you don't
confuse him with all the other
1442
01:13:19,609 --> 01:13:21,528
Yngwie Malmsteens in the business.
1443
01:13:21,569 --> 01:13:23,363
You've got all of these people.
1444
01:13:23,405 --> 01:13:25,073
We all know about each other
1445
01:13:25,115 --> 01:13:27,659
and what we're famous
for doing or not doing.
1446
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:31,913
Ronnie was the captain
of the ship, and he steered us
1447
01:13:31,955 --> 01:13:36,042
through what could have
been an absolute catastrophe.
1448
01:13:36,084 --> 01:13:39,712
But singers and songs
will never change it alone
1449
01:13:39,754 --> 01:13:44,384
So we are calling you, calling you
1450
01:13:44,426 --> 01:13:46,428
You can do better than that.
Yeah.
1451
01:13:46,469 --> 01:13:49,889
Everybody's giving a thousand
percent. You know, you can't...
1452
01:13:49,931 --> 01:13:51,891
"It's just a couple of notes."
1453
01:13:51,933 --> 01:13:53,393
You can't do that because
there's Ronnie Dio,
1454
01:13:53,435 --> 01:13:55,270
and he's the boss.
1455
01:13:55,311 --> 01:13:59,090
'Cause we are fire
1456
01:13:59,232 --> 01:14:04,779
'Cause we are fire
1457
01:14:06,781 --> 01:14:08,700
And I have to say, I admit it, you know.
1458
01:14:08,741 --> 01:14:10,702
I was scared shitless.
1459
01:14:10,743 --> 01:14:13,746
I'm like,
"I'm playing with Ronnie James Dio."
1460
01:14:13,788 --> 01:14:16,791
We are shadows,
we are light
1461
01:14:16,833 --> 01:14:18,501
Shit.
1462
01:14:18,543 --> 01:14:20,378
Does "Dokken" really
rhyme with "rockin'"?
1463
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,631
There's some debate in here,
1464
01:14:23,673 --> 01:14:25,383
but we'll sort that out later.
Ok, here we go.
1465
01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:27,343
I'm just nervous, man.
1466
01:14:27,385 --> 01:14:29,637
Fuckin' Ronnie James Dio
producin', I'll stand out here.
1467
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:31,222
Goddamn. Never in my
wildest dreams have I thought
1468
01:14:31,264 --> 01:14:35,059
this would ever happen to me.
Good man.
1469
01:14:35,101 --> 01:14:39,230
Great. Right. Nice job.
I'm proud of you.
1470
01:14:39,272 --> 01:14:41,232
Mark.
1471
01:14:41,274 --> 01:14:43,318
We should have...
Rhymes with "rockin'."
1472
01:14:50,533 --> 01:14:54,496
The Hear 'N Aid song
is about 8 minutes long,
1473
01:14:54,537 --> 01:14:56,581
in its full length version,
1474
01:14:56,623 --> 01:14:58,875
and I think about 6 and
a half of those minutes
1475
01:14:58,917 --> 01:15:01,085
are guitar soloing going back and forth,
1476
01:15:01,127 --> 01:15:05,173
'cause there's about 15
players taking different sections.
1477
01:15:05,215 --> 01:15:08,134
But I don't know.
I mean, I'm such a fan
1478
01:15:08,176 --> 01:15:09,844
that I love every note of it.
1479
01:15:09,886 --> 01:15:12,388
I'm totally down with it to this day.
1480
01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:13,973
And I love that it showed that just
1481
01:15:14,015 --> 01:15:16,601
'cause you're into metal,
it doesn't mean you're a moron.
1482
01:15:16,643 --> 01:15:17,977
You can still have social issues.
1483
01:15:18,019 --> 01:15:19,562
You can still care about things.
1484
01:15:19,604 --> 01:15:21,397
You can still care about people.
1485
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,399
After you stop listening
to this, to this record,
1486
01:15:23,441 --> 01:15:25,193
to what I say,
people will still be starving,
1487
01:15:25,235 --> 01:15:27,654
and only you can change it.
1488
01:15:27,695 --> 01:15:29,614
So, if this is the vehicle
to make you think,
1489
01:15:29,656 --> 01:15:32,158
to make you help another
human being, then so be it.
1490
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,035
We've done our part.
1491
01:15:34,077 --> 01:15:37,539
We actually made,
I don't know, it was like over
1492
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:41,709
a million dollars that we
got to send to, uh, to Africa.
1493
01:15:41,751 --> 01:15:46,448
We're stars
1494
01:15:46,589 --> 01:15:48,216
We're stars
1495
01:15:48,258 --> 01:15:49,884
It's easy to look back on that stuff
1496
01:15:49,926 --> 01:15:52,345
with a snicker now, but at that time,
1497
01:15:52,387 --> 01:15:54,305
that was the coolest thing in the world.
1498
01:15:54,347 --> 01:15:57,058
You know,
I can't name all the rock stars
1499
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,102
who were in that video.
Rock 'n' roll was king.
1500
01:15:59,143 --> 01:16:02,897
MTV was king.
This was our prime.
1501
01:16:02,939 --> 01:16:06,301
We're stars
1502
01:16:06,442 --> 01:16:10,780
We're stars
1503
01:16:10,822 --> 01:16:14,659
Hello. I'm Ronnie James Dio.
1504
01:16:14,701 --> 01:16:16,911
We're about to embark
on our Sacred Heart tour.
1505
01:16:16,953 --> 01:16:18,788
It's a show that we feel
is the most spectacular
1506
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:20,790
that we've ever produced.
1507
01:16:20,832 --> 01:16:23,835
And when we get to your town,
we're hoping to transport you
1508
01:16:23,876 --> 01:16:25,295
back to the days of
knights and dragons,
1509
01:16:25,336 --> 01:16:27,338
damsels in distress, crystal balls,
1510
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:29,257
and lots and lots of magic.
1511
01:16:29,299 --> 01:16:30,758
We feel we've got a great show for you.
1512
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,469
I hope to see all of you really soon.
1513
01:16:33,511 --> 01:16:36,889
The original Dio
band made a 3rd record
1514
01:16:36,931 --> 01:16:40,310
called Sacred Heart,
and the music videos got bigger,
1515
01:16:40,351 --> 01:16:42,895
the stage show got bigger.
1516
01:16:42,937 --> 01:16:46,441
He knew how to dream,
make that dream materialize,
1517
01:16:46,482 --> 01:16:49,736
and it just kept growing
and growing and growing.
1518
01:16:49,777 --> 01:16:53,281
He wanted a bigger
stage set and bigger and more,
1519
01:16:53,323 --> 01:16:55,408
and it cost a fortune,
but he wanted it.
1520
01:16:55,450 --> 01:16:59,162
We had this huge 18-foot fire
breathing dragon with lasers.
1521
01:16:59,203 --> 01:17:01,247
He had this thing
about dragons, you know,
1522
01:17:01,289 --> 01:17:03,374
dragons and rainbows.
What a great thing.
1523
01:17:03,416 --> 01:17:06,085
You know, I've got leather studs
and whips and chains,
1524
01:17:06,127 --> 01:17:08,212
and Ronnie's got
dragons and rainbows.
1525
01:17:08,254 --> 01:17:10,590
I wish we could flip.
1526
01:17:10,632 --> 01:17:11,799
He would slay the dragon
1527
01:17:11,841 --> 01:17:13,426
with a laser sword at the end.
1528
01:17:13,468 --> 01:17:17,388
It was absolutely
like going to Disneyland.
1529
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:21,559
Greetings, my children.
1530
01:17:21,601 --> 01:17:25,188
Come with me now
and discover the magic
1531
01:17:25,229 --> 01:17:29,067
that lies beyond
the sea of dreams.
1532
01:17:29,108 --> 01:17:32,654
At that point, Ronnie
had reinvented himself fully
1533
01:17:32,695 --> 01:17:36,282
as being the caretaker
of the name, "Dio."
1534
01:17:39,577 --> 01:17:42,121
1986, Sacred Heart tour.
1535
01:17:42,163 --> 01:17:44,582
I remember bumping
into him on that tour.
1536
01:17:44,624 --> 01:17:47,794
I'd never seen him
so full of joy.
1537
01:17:47,835 --> 01:17:51,756
I'd never seen him
so fulfilled.
1538
01:17:51,798 --> 01:17:54,759
He knew, I think, that he'd...
he'd done something remarkable
1539
01:17:54,801 --> 01:17:56,511
with his career at this point.
1540
01:17:56,552 --> 01:17:58,012
But it's taken Ronnie,
you know, what,
1541
01:17:58,054 --> 01:18:00,932
nearly 40 years to get there.
1542
01:18:00,973 --> 01:18:03,101
And Ronnie
defeating the dragon becomes
1543
01:18:03,142 --> 01:18:06,104
a kind of metaphor
for the man.
1544
01:18:06,145 --> 01:18:08,606
His whole life
had been a battle.
1545
01:18:08,648 --> 01:18:11,234
Everything Ronnie had,
he'd had to work for,
1546
01:18:11,275 --> 01:18:13,778
fight for, earn.
1547
01:18:13,820 --> 01:18:15,697
He's like Muhammad Ali,
1548
01:18:15,738 --> 01:18:20,118
the guy that became
world champion 3 times.
1549
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:24,330
And, um, every time
Ronnie slew that dragon,
1550
01:18:24,372 --> 01:18:29,293
that was heavy metal
is all about... authenticity.
1551
01:18:29,335 --> 01:18:32,004
Here he is, top of
the mountain,
1552
01:18:32,046 --> 01:18:35,758
and he'd done it
by not writing the hit single.
1553
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,845
He'd done it by not kowtowing.
1554
01:18:38,886 --> 01:18:42,223
He stuck to his guns,
come what may.
1555
01:18:58,614 --> 01:19:00,450
We've had about
five offices, I think,
1556
01:19:00,491 --> 01:19:02,285
and I've always
had "Holy Diver,"
1557
01:19:02,326 --> 01:19:04,954
uh, which is very,
very precious to me.
1558
01:19:04,996 --> 01:19:06,831
The original artwork of "Holy Diver"...
1559
01:19:06,873 --> 01:19:09,417
I've always had
that hanging above my desk.
1560
01:19:09,459 --> 01:19:11,502
And of course,
gold records is just something
1561
01:19:11,544 --> 01:19:14,505
you always hang in your office
and things I'm proud of.
1562
01:19:14,547 --> 01:19:16,716
You know,
Ronnie didn't care, you know.
1563
01:19:16,758 --> 01:19:19,051
In our house, we never had one
gold record hanging, not one.
1564
01:19:19,093 --> 01:19:22,472
He was a humble person.
He thought that was showing off,
1565
01:19:22,513 --> 01:19:25,808
so I showed off
for him in my office.
1566
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:29,729
This is his first gold record
that Ronnie ever got
1567
01:19:29,771 --> 01:19:32,899
in 1975 for "Love is All,"
which is a song he performed
1568
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:34,859
on The Butterfly Ball.
1569
01:19:34,901 --> 01:19:38,738
Love is all, yes,
love is all
1570
01:19:38,780 --> 01:19:42,492
At the Butterfly Ball!
1571
01:19:42,533 --> 01:19:45,328
And then I found a scrapbook.
1572
01:19:45,369 --> 01:19:48,539
I think his mum might
have made it.
1573
01:19:48,581 --> 01:19:51,334
Wow, this is all Rainbow.
1574
01:19:54,754 --> 01:19:57,757
Black Sabbath here.
This is Black Sabbath now.
1575
01:19:57,799 --> 01:20:01,511
A lot of, uh,
press releases here on...
1576
01:20:01,552 --> 01:20:04,388
Dio.
1577
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:06,641
Those were fun days,
real fun days.
1578
01:20:06,682 --> 01:20:10,311
Yes, yes. It was
a great time in our lives.
1579
01:20:10,353 --> 01:20:12,480
A great time in our lives.
1580
01:20:12,522 --> 01:20:16,150
Well, that's the end
of that book.
1581
01:20:16,192 --> 01:20:19,570
Now, the entertainment.
1582
01:20:19,612 --> 01:20:22,490
Tonight, we got for you,
1583
01:20:22,532 --> 01:20:24,742
you know him, you love him.
He's a neighborhood boy,
1584
01:20:24,784 --> 01:20:28,246
Ronnie James Dio
and the Dioski brothers!
1585
01:20:28,287 --> 01:20:30,331
Yay!
1586
01:20:30,373 --> 01:20:33,459
At this point with
Ronnie's career, you know,
1587
01:20:33,501 --> 01:20:36,629
he'd been following his own path
since he was a kid
1588
01:20:36,671 --> 01:20:40,675
and reached a kind
of new pinnacle with Dio.
1589
01:20:40,716 --> 01:20:42,677
We had a lot of fun
on the first two records,
1590
01:20:42,718 --> 01:20:45,012
by the time we were
doing the Sacred Heart album,
1591
01:20:45,054 --> 01:20:46,848
it was a very dark record
for us to make.
1592
01:20:46,889 --> 01:20:48,850
It was really,
really difficult.
1593
01:20:48,891 --> 01:20:50,393
All those fun times
we had at Sound City,
1594
01:20:50,434 --> 01:20:52,311
it was a great atmosphere.
1595
01:20:52,353 --> 01:20:54,522
It wasn't such a business.
1596
01:20:54,564 --> 01:20:56,649
And then,
the business end of this
1597
01:20:56,691 --> 01:20:58,776
started getting
really frustrating.
1598
01:20:58,818 --> 01:21:02,029
and Viv was the one that would
point it out after a while.
1599
01:21:02,071 --> 01:21:04,448
The promise was made
to us that by the third album,
1600
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:06,826
it would be more
of an equitable situation,
1601
01:21:06,868 --> 01:21:08,953
and I was...
I was a squeaky wheel.
1602
01:21:08,995 --> 01:21:11,163
I mean, the third album came,
and I was the one going...
1603
01:21:11,205 --> 01:21:14,625
"Uh, excuse me."
1604
01:21:14,667 --> 01:21:16,711
Vivian had just told me
that he wanted more money,
1605
01:21:16,752 --> 01:21:20,047
From Ronnie's perspective,
when I'd bring it up to him,
1606
01:21:20,089 --> 01:21:23,634
he looked at it
as a young kid who he found
1607
01:21:23,676 --> 01:21:26,345
and put on the map
that was being ungrateful
1608
01:21:26,387 --> 01:21:28,890
and pulling the leverage play.
1609
01:21:28,931 --> 01:21:30,850
Well, you know, you should
get paid for what you do.
1610
01:21:30,892 --> 01:21:32,393
And when Sacred Heart
came around, I said,
1611
01:21:32,435 --> 01:21:34,395
"What do you got, Viv?
We've had four months off."
1612
01:21:34,437 --> 01:21:37,231
"Oh, nothing." "Oh, really?"
"Nope, not a thing."
1613
01:21:37,273 --> 01:21:38,566
"Oh, I guess I didn't
pay you enough, then did I?"
1614
01:21:38,608 --> 01:21:40,735
Money is not what
music is all about.
1615
01:21:40,776 --> 01:21:43,571
Ronnie had years
and years and years of banging
1616
01:21:43,613 --> 01:21:47,909
on the doors, and Elf
and Rainbow and everything else.
1617
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:50,411
You can't just have
somebody come in the door
1618
01:21:50,453 --> 01:21:52,371
and go, "Oh, yeah, well,
I'm as important as you."
1619
01:21:52,413 --> 01:21:54,081
The band was called Dio...
1620
01:21:54,123 --> 01:21:56,584
for a reason.
1621
01:21:56,626 --> 01:22:00,046
He understands that
whether he likes it or not,
1622
01:22:00,087 --> 01:22:04,926
this time I'm the Blackmore,
I'm the Iommi.
1623
01:22:04,967 --> 01:22:06,844
He's the boss.
1624
01:22:06,886 --> 01:22:10,264
After a while,
Ronnie got tired of it and said,
1625
01:22:10,306 --> 01:22:11,933
"We're going to get rid of him
and get somebody else,"
1626
01:22:11,974 --> 01:22:14,644
and I'm like, "Are you crazy?"
1627
01:22:14,685 --> 01:22:19,774
Back in those days, losing
a band member was a huge deal,
1628
01:22:19,815 --> 01:22:22,944
especially a guy
that was a budding guitar hero
1629
01:22:22,985 --> 01:22:26,364
in Vivian Campbell.
1630
01:22:26,405 --> 01:22:29,909
Yes, it was magical.
It was great in the beginning,
1631
01:22:29,951 --> 01:22:32,620
but people
have to go sometimes.
1632
01:22:32,662 --> 01:22:35,623
You know,
Vivian Campbell had to go.
1633
01:22:35,665 --> 01:22:40,002
I mean. It was Ronnie's band.
1634
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,801
You sometimes
get very trapped
1635
01:22:46,842 --> 01:22:50,513
by your own existence,
uh, you must maintain.
1636
01:22:50,554 --> 01:22:53,849
When you get
to a certain success plateau,
1637
01:22:53,891 --> 01:22:56,686
the only thing you can do is
to either try to maintain it
1638
01:22:56,727 --> 01:22:58,312
or reach above that.
1639
01:22:58,354 --> 01:23:01,857
When I got the call to,
to join, you know,
1640
01:23:01,899 --> 01:23:03,693
headlining 20,000-seat arenas
every night,
1641
01:23:03,734 --> 01:23:06,529
it was like...
1642
01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:09,949
And so back then,
heavy metal was going strong.
1643
01:23:09,991 --> 01:23:12,868
And that was during
the time that bands came to L.A.
1644
01:23:12,910 --> 01:23:15,121
to find their fame and fortune,
1645
01:23:15,162 --> 01:23:18,040
and they all got their hair
ran up to, you know,
1646
01:23:18,082 --> 01:23:20,626
ten feet and tons of makeup.
1647
01:23:20,668 --> 01:23:22,878
This is the reason I am
a rock 'n' roll drummer, see?
1648
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,630
Because girls like this
hang out with guys like me!
1649
01:23:24,672 --> 01:23:26,841
Can you believe it?
1650
01:23:26,882 --> 01:23:30,177
Motley Crue, Skid Row.
We looked like girls.
1651
01:23:32,555 --> 01:23:36,684
I mean, not just us, but you
know, all that look was huge.
1652
01:23:36,726 --> 01:23:40,354
And I'll always say it,
that the rock scene of the '80s,
1653
01:23:40,396 --> 01:23:43,149
we were our own undoing.
1654
01:23:43,190 --> 01:23:46,527
It became more important
about their look,
1655
01:23:46,569 --> 01:23:50,281
and not the songs...
bands like Poison.
1656
01:23:50,322 --> 01:23:51,866
Unskinny Bop
1657
01:23:51,907 --> 01:23:53,826
"Unskinny Bop" bop?
1658
01:23:53,868 --> 01:23:56,203
Ronnie couldn't
write "Unskinny Bop" bop
1659
01:23:56,245 --> 01:23:58,372
if they put a gun to his head.
1660
01:23:58,414 --> 01:24:03,669
Dio... he was never a part
of that hair metal thing.
1661
01:24:03,711 --> 01:24:05,880
He wasn't singing about
getting laid and doing drugs
1662
01:24:05,921 --> 01:24:07,631
and, you know, crap like that.
1663
01:24:07,673 --> 01:24:09,675
I mean,
the music was rubbish,
1664
01:24:09,717 --> 01:24:12,887
and they destroyed
what the rest of us created.
1665
01:24:12,928 --> 01:24:15,139
There's Sacred Heart
and what's the other one?
1666
01:24:15,181 --> 01:24:17,600
Dream Evil, I don't know.
1667
01:24:17,641 --> 01:24:19,310
Was there another one
after that? I don't know.
1668
01:24:19,351 --> 01:24:21,645
Sales, they started going
down, you know?
1669
01:24:21,687 --> 01:24:24,857
And MTV, that was built
upon heavy metal music,
1670
01:24:24,899 --> 01:24:27,068
suddenly went,
"Oh, no more of that."
1671
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,906
120 minutes.
1672
01:24:31,947 --> 01:24:34,033
Right here,
1673
01:24:34,075 --> 01:24:35,826
the 2nd of tonight's
2 world premiere videos.
1674
01:24:35,868 --> 01:24:37,912
It's from the Seattle band,
Nirvana.
1675
01:24:37,953 --> 01:24:40,039
Here is
the planet's first look at...
1676
01:24:40,081 --> 01:24:42,917
"Smells like Teen Spirit."
1677
01:24:45,377 --> 01:24:48,255
Basically, right after
Nirvana had their first play
1678
01:24:48,297 --> 01:24:51,258
of "Teen Spirit,"
it changed everything.
1679
01:24:55,304 --> 01:24:57,098
It needed it.
1680
01:24:57,139 --> 01:24:59,683
You know, the MTV toilet
needed to be flushed,
1681
01:24:59,725 --> 01:25:01,769
you know and clean up
1682
01:25:01,811 --> 01:25:04,146
and... and get something
else in there, you know?
1683
01:25:04,188 --> 01:25:06,398
You're talking to a guy
1684
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:09,110
who worked
in rock radio for decades.
1685
01:25:09,151 --> 01:25:13,447
I literally saw the day
the program director comes in
1686
01:25:13,489 --> 01:25:18,244
and says, "All of these CDs...
in a box. No more.
1687
01:25:18,285 --> 01:25:21,288
Here's what
we're playing now."
1688
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:23,749
There's a big misconception
that the birth of Nirvana
1689
01:25:23,791 --> 01:25:27,920
and all that
took down the "hair bands,"
1690
01:25:27,962 --> 01:25:29,880
and it certainly did.
1691
01:25:29,922 --> 01:25:32,883
But it didn't
discriminate to just that.
1692
01:25:32,925 --> 01:25:35,761
It took down everything.
Everybody got hit with that.
1693
01:25:35,803 --> 01:25:37,721
I don't care if
you were Black Sabbath,
1694
01:25:37,763 --> 01:25:40,808
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden,
whoever you were,
1695
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:45,646
across the board, was one of
the most harsh, abrupt things
1696
01:25:45,688 --> 01:25:49,441
I've ever seen in my life.
All of this goes away,
1697
01:25:49,483 --> 01:25:52,111
and all of this
is suddenly uncool.
1698
01:25:52,153 --> 01:25:55,656
It was like that, cut and dry.
1699
01:25:55,698 --> 01:25:58,492
Dio in the box?
Dio was in the box.
1700
01:26:09,211 --> 01:26:13,048
somber acoustic instrumental
1701
01:26:13,090 --> 01:26:15,467
The '90s
were the darkest period
1702
01:26:15,509 --> 01:26:18,637
because he got
dropped from Warner Bros.
1703
01:26:18,679 --> 01:26:20,389
Losing a record deal
was devastating.
1704
01:26:20,431 --> 01:26:24,185
Absolute devastating.
1705
01:26:24,226 --> 01:26:27,438
The music industry
at that time, it was like...
1706
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,983
Pfft. "We don't care, we don't
care about you anymore."
1707
01:26:31,025 --> 01:26:32,818
For someone like Ronnie,
1708
01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:34,737
it did get
a little awkward in the '90s.
1709
01:26:34,778 --> 01:26:39,491
Nu metal and grunge
became what the public face
1710
01:26:39,533 --> 01:26:41,785
of metal was depicted as.
1711
01:26:41,827 --> 01:26:43,579
Underground,
death metal, grindcore,
1712
01:26:43,621 --> 01:26:46,040
black metal got more intense.
1713
01:26:46,081 --> 01:26:49,210
The point being that stuff
like Ronnie James Dio,
1714
01:26:49,251 --> 01:26:51,670
people just
kind of maybe said,
1715
01:26:51,712 --> 01:26:55,633
"We don't need any of that
stuff. That's dinosaur shit."
1716
01:26:55,674 --> 01:26:58,344
Bands like Dio
will find it very difficult.
1717
01:26:58,385 --> 01:27:00,304
It's only really
alternate rock that seems
1718
01:27:00,346 --> 01:27:01,555
to be getting
most of the attention.
1719
01:27:04,308 --> 01:27:06,560
Where... Where is it going?
God knows. I mean, that's...
1720
01:27:06,602 --> 01:27:08,812
A lot of that has
to do with, you know,
1721
01:27:08,854 --> 01:27:11,106
with its acceptance, really.
1722
01:27:11,148 --> 01:27:13,025
It'll go as far as
people allow us to go.
1723
01:27:13,067 --> 01:27:15,986
The mid-'90s,
I remember he came over
1724
01:27:16,028 --> 01:27:19,406
to London to do interviews
to promote his latest album.
1725
01:27:19,448 --> 01:27:22,576
I had to beg, borrow, and steal
to try and get someone
1726
01:27:22,618 --> 01:27:25,496
to interview Ronnie James Dio.
1727
01:27:25,537 --> 01:27:28,874
I couldn't get anybody
interested in interviewing him.
1728
01:27:28,916 --> 01:27:31,252
That was, like,
a really down time for him.
1729
01:27:31,293 --> 01:27:33,420
He didn't feel loved anymore.
1730
01:27:40,886 --> 01:27:43,264
Well, because it's
a world that, uh, you know,
1731
01:27:43,305 --> 01:27:44,974
it's not a very happy place.
1732
01:27:45,015 --> 01:27:48,686
It's a world we live in that's,
uh, just really depressing.
1733
01:27:48,727 --> 01:27:50,646
And it couldn't allow me
to talk about dreams
1734
01:27:50,688 --> 01:27:51,939
and everything's
going to be wonderful
1735
01:27:51,981 --> 01:27:54,066
and the world will be happy.
1736
01:27:54,108 --> 01:27:56,068
Just, you know, work hard
and your dreams will come true.
1737
01:27:56,110 --> 01:27:57,736
Shit. I look at the
world around me now,
1738
01:27:57,778 --> 01:27:59,738
and I see that that's pretty
impossible to happen.
1739
01:27:59,780 --> 01:28:01,490
So I couldn't
in my conscience,
1740
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:03,784
write about dreams
and happiness.
1741
01:28:11,583 --> 01:28:14,712
I didn't really start going
to his house until the '90s.
1742
01:28:14,753 --> 01:28:16,964
I remember going
and taking photos of him,
1743
01:28:17,006 --> 01:28:19,341
and that's when
everything was changing.
1744
01:28:19,383 --> 01:28:21,135
He noticed it,
1745
01:28:21,176 --> 01:28:23,637
because he wasn't
selling out arenas anymore.
1746
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:25,764
I got here because
I believed in the music I made,
1747
01:28:25,806 --> 01:28:29,393
and somebody liked it.
So, hey, I got a nice house.
1748
01:28:29,435 --> 01:28:31,312
You know, as I told you
many times before,
1749
01:28:31,353 --> 01:28:32,771
I don't give a damn
about this house.
1750
01:28:32,813 --> 01:28:34,857
What do I care about this?
1751
01:28:34,898 --> 01:28:37,067
I could sleep on this table.
I could sleep on the floor.
1752
01:28:37,109 --> 01:28:39,528
It's not important.
It's all about playing.
1753
01:28:39,570 --> 01:28:41,447
It's all about
playing for people.
1754
01:28:41,488 --> 01:28:43,073
It's the only thing
that matters to me.
1755
01:28:43,115 --> 01:28:45,868
So, through the hard times,
love what you do.
1756
01:28:45,909 --> 01:28:48,162
He's one of those guys I don't
think would have ever retired
1757
01:28:48,203 --> 01:28:50,080
cause when you're an artist,
you're an artist.
1758
01:28:50,122 --> 01:28:52,207
That's what
you do forever, you know.
1759
01:28:52,249 --> 01:28:56,211
You just...you...till you die.
1760
01:28:56,253 --> 01:28:58,589
You've got such a long career.
1761
01:28:58,630 --> 01:29:00,591
You haven't had any breaks.
1762
01:29:00,632 --> 01:29:02,176
No, I never...
I haven't taken vacations.
1763
01:29:02,217 --> 01:29:03,594
I don't. I wouldn't
know what to do with myself.
1764
01:29:03,635 --> 01:29:05,054
What am I gonna do,
lay on a beach?
1765
01:29:05,095 --> 01:29:06,680
Waste...
That's a waste of my life.
1766
01:29:06,722 --> 01:29:09,016
Eating, sleeping, and vacations
are a waste of my life.
1767
01:29:09,058 --> 01:29:11,143
You only got so many years,
you may as well get
1768
01:29:11,185 --> 01:29:12,436
all you can out of it.
Just grind it out,
1769
01:29:12,478 --> 01:29:14,688
bring it out, go for it
1770
01:29:14,730 --> 01:29:16,440
because I got
a lot more to do yet.
1771
01:29:16,482 --> 01:29:19,568
Start with this one.
Title track of Dio LP #2.
1772
01:29:19,610 --> 01:29:22,488
This is called
"The Last in Line."
1773
01:29:22,529 --> 01:29:25,199
It was very much a
different thing from the '80s.
1774
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,909
For you,
we especially do this one.
1775
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:28,369
It's called
"The Last in Line."
1776
01:29:30,329 --> 01:29:32,247
But, uh, he would go to
the ends of the Earth
1777
01:29:32,289 --> 01:29:34,124
to play in front of people.
1778
01:29:34,166 --> 01:29:36,710
And I'd be the one going,
"Oh, Christ, I don't know.
1779
01:29:36,752 --> 01:29:38,796
You should think
about this, you know?"
1780
01:29:38,837 --> 01:29:43,258
He didn't care if 80 people
showed up to a show or 80,000.
1781
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:45,386
He never
lost sight of the guy
1782
01:29:45,427 --> 01:29:48,806
from Cortland, New York,
who, music was his salvation.
1783
01:29:48,847 --> 01:29:50,015
He never lost sight of that.
1784
01:29:54,603 --> 01:29:57,314
Ronnie never, ever complained.
1785
01:29:57,356 --> 01:30:00,234
You know,
he never phoned it in.
1786
01:30:00,275 --> 01:30:02,903
That was... He couldn't do that.
It was impossible.
1787
01:30:02,945 --> 01:30:06,240
The enthusiasm and the
hunger and the conviction,
1788
01:30:06,281 --> 01:30:07,491
it was unbreakable.
1789
01:30:07,533 --> 01:30:10,536
We're off to the witch
1790
01:30:10,577 --> 01:30:12,913
We may never,
never, never, come home
1791
01:30:12,955 --> 01:30:14,373
But the magic
that we'll feel
1792
01:30:14,415 --> 01:30:16,417
Is worth the lifetime
1793
01:30:16,458 --> 01:30:19,711
Hard rock was
out of favor. MTV was gone.
1794
01:30:19,753 --> 01:30:22,339
We got record deals
on smaller labels.
1795
01:30:22,381 --> 01:30:25,843
Ronnie just continued
to keep making records
1796
01:30:25,884 --> 01:30:28,720
and keep creating, putting
together some great bands.
1797
01:30:28,762 --> 01:30:30,055
There were some great lineups,
1798
01:30:30,097 --> 01:30:32,433
people that were
in and out of Dio.
1799
01:30:32,474 --> 01:30:35,102
They still did some
great work during that time,
1800
01:30:35,144 --> 01:30:37,604
whether it sold anything
or anybody acknowledged it.
1801
01:30:37,646 --> 01:30:40,107
Ronnie just kept going.
1802
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:43,444
Think about the miles
that are on that voice.
1803
01:30:43,485 --> 01:30:47,573
And I always felt maybe
he would have sort of started
1804
01:30:47,614 --> 01:30:49,825
to relax a little bit.
1805
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:53,745
But we did four whole albums,
maybe five DVDs,
1806
01:30:53,787 --> 01:30:55,664
and he would be
here every minute,
1807
01:30:55,706 --> 01:30:58,083
of every day
for every part of it.
1808
01:30:58,125 --> 01:30:59,543
Being in the studio with Ronnie,
1809
01:30:59,585 --> 01:31:02,254
it was un-fucking believable.
1810
01:31:02,296 --> 01:31:04,673
He was on a level
that some people never get to
1811
01:31:04,715 --> 01:31:08,260
in their prime when they're 21.
1812
01:31:08,302 --> 01:31:10,012
He would sing with the band
1813
01:31:10,053 --> 01:31:14,808
while they were cutting
all day long, every time.
1814
01:31:14,850 --> 01:31:17,478
I mean, I told him
a hundred times and said,
1815
01:31:17,519 --> 01:31:19,480
"We could just use the vocal
you just sang, you know,
1816
01:31:19,521 --> 01:31:21,315
every time they go through it.
1817
01:31:21,356 --> 01:31:23,400
You know, you don't
have to keep singing it."
1818
01:31:23,442 --> 01:31:26,320
He said, "No, no, no,
I'm singing with the band."
1819
01:31:26,361 --> 01:31:30,908
I said, "Ok."
He's such a remarkable person.
1820
01:31:30,949 --> 01:31:33,994
There's certain people out
there, people with conviction,
1821
01:31:34,036 --> 01:31:35,662
people who have it here.
1822
01:31:35,704 --> 01:31:38,165
"This is what I want to do,
and I'm doing it."
1823
01:31:38,207 --> 01:31:40,000
And that's all
that should fucking matter,
1824
01:31:40,042 --> 01:31:42,628
you know, forever.
1825
01:31:42,669 --> 01:31:44,171
I must say,
I'm not going to go away.
1826
01:31:44,213 --> 01:31:46,215
No matter what happens.
1827
01:31:46,256 --> 01:31:48,342
I'm gonna be here again
to haunt you next year, too.
1828
01:31:48,383 --> 01:31:50,511
Perhaps the year after that
and the year after that.
1829
01:31:50,552 --> 01:31:54,181
I love to do what I do
very much, and as long as people
1830
01:31:54,223 --> 01:31:57,392
will accept me for what I am,
I'll still be back
1831
01:31:57,434 --> 01:31:58,727
year after year after year
doing this, and hopefully
1832
01:31:58,769 --> 01:32:00,521
getting better at it if I can.
1833
01:32:00,562 --> 01:32:03,482
There was always that
hardcore faction of fans.
1834
01:32:03,524 --> 01:32:05,317
They'd always be there,
1835
01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:07,528
and, uh, he felt
immensely grateful for that.
1836
01:32:07,569 --> 01:32:09,196
Dio's the best!
1837
01:32:09,238 --> 01:32:11,240
I told him to say that.
1838
01:32:13,033 --> 01:32:15,369
If there was 200
people or one person,
1839
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:18,205
he'd treat them as if
he was their long lost friend.
1840
01:32:18,247 --> 01:32:21,208
And sometimes we
used to argue about that
1841
01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:23,210
because he'd be, like,
1842
01:32:23,252 --> 01:32:25,712
talking to two fans
till about three in the morning.
1843
01:32:25,754 --> 01:32:27,673
And we'd be going, "Come on,
Ronnie. It's time to leave.
1844
01:32:27,714 --> 01:32:29,383
We gotta get on
the bus to the next gig."
1845
01:32:29,424 --> 01:32:31,218
He's going,
"Yeah, just a minute."
1846
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:34,179
He had this remarkable
way of, uh, remembering people
1847
01:32:34,221 --> 01:32:36,181
and what they were about.
You know, he'd see somebody,
1848
01:32:36,223 --> 01:32:38,225
you know, ten years later
and he'd go,
1849
01:32:38,267 --> 01:32:40,811
"Oh, hi, Mary,
how's your mother doing?"
1850
01:32:40,852 --> 01:32:42,354
"Hey, Larry, how you doing?
1851
01:32:42,396 --> 01:32:44,523
How's your cousin, Bill?"
1852
01:32:44,565 --> 01:32:46,024
And he would
rattle on all these names.
1853
01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:47,734
And I'm going, like...
1854
01:32:47,776 --> 01:32:50,487
He would say, "Hey, wait
a minute, your dad was sick
1855
01:32:50,529 --> 01:32:52,573
last time I saw you.
How's he doing?"
1856
01:32:52,614 --> 01:32:54,199
And you know,
the look on fans' faces
1857
01:32:54,241 --> 01:32:56,868
would be like,
"He remembered that?"
1858
01:32:56,910 --> 01:33:01,373
He fed off that energy,
that direct connection
1859
01:33:01,415 --> 01:33:03,208
with every single fan.
1860
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:05,377
You know,
they've got the records.
1861
01:33:05,419 --> 01:33:07,546
They got the dreams.
1862
01:33:07,588 --> 01:33:10,799
That's living in the face
of career death, if you like.
1863
01:33:16,471 --> 01:33:17,264
Thank you!
1864
01:33:20,559 --> 01:33:23,770
Aah!
1865
01:33:27,065 --> 01:33:29,776
In the movie,
The Pick of Destiny.
1866
01:33:29,818 --> 01:33:33,280
It's, uh, the origin story
of my band, Tenacious D.
1867
01:33:33,322 --> 01:33:35,616
We took some
creative liberties,
1868
01:33:35,657 --> 01:33:37,451
but it starts off at
the beginning, you know,
1869
01:33:37,492 --> 01:33:39,119
when I'm a kid and, uh,
1870
01:33:39,161 --> 01:33:42,372
my parents disapprove
of my rocking.
1871
01:33:42,414 --> 01:33:45,792
You gotta praise the Lord
when you're in my home
1872
01:33:45,834 --> 01:33:49,421
And I pray to Ronnie James Dio
to please show me the way.
1873
01:33:52,674 --> 01:33:54,968
And then, he, like,
comes to life in the poster,
1874
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:57,638
and he delivers the advice.
1875
01:33:57,679 --> 01:33:59,681
Escape your father's clutches
1876
01:33:59,723 --> 01:34:01,391
In this
oppressive neighborhood
1877
01:34:01,433 --> 01:34:03,101
On a journey you must go
1878
01:34:03,143 --> 01:34:07,314
To find
the land of Hollywood
1879
01:34:07,356 --> 01:34:09,733
A lot of people say it's the
best part of the whole movie,
1880
01:34:09,775 --> 01:34:14,071
which is awesome
and a little bit sad,
1881
01:34:14,112 --> 01:34:17,032
'cause me and Kyle
aren't even in it.
1882
01:34:17,074 --> 01:34:21,161
It's Dio, Meat Loaf, and a
little kid that looks like me.
1883
01:34:21,203 --> 01:34:23,246
We had to record all the songs
1884
01:34:23,288 --> 01:34:25,415
before we started
filming the movie.
1885
01:34:25,457 --> 01:34:26,917
Can you play it
for me from the end
1886
01:34:26,958 --> 01:34:30,003
of "Go my... Now, go my son
and rock" into the softer bit?
1887
01:34:30,045 --> 01:34:34,174
So, he came over to the studio,
and, um, he brought a microphone
1888
01:34:34,216 --> 01:34:37,844
still, like, attached
to a stand with a cord.
1889
01:34:37,886 --> 01:34:39,763
And he was like,
"I brought my mic,"
1890
01:34:39,805 --> 01:34:42,140
and we're like,
"Awesome, but you know,
1891
01:34:42,182 --> 01:34:45,185
we're at John King's Studio.
He's a dust brother.
1892
01:34:45,227 --> 01:34:47,854
We've got, like, the best
mics in the world here.
1893
01:34:47,896 --> 01:34:49,690
Let's try it on
the Sennheiser 5000, first."
1894
01:34:49,731 --> 01:34:51,441
He was like, "Sure,
whatever you want to do."
1895
01:34:51,483 --> 01:34:53,318
And this sounds
like I'm making this up
1896
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,946
but dude laid down
such a heavy vocal,
1897
01:34:55,987 --> 01:34:58,699
it, like, was distorting.
1898
01:34:58,740 --> 01:35:01,034
We're all just like, "Holy fuck,
turn down the levels."
1899
01:35:01,076 --> 01:35:03,328
"I did turn down the levels!"
1900
01:35:03,370 --> 01:35:07,749
And so, then he said, "Let's
take out the Sennheiser 5000,
1901
01:35:07,791 --> 01:35:11,336
bring in the Robotron 6000.
This is..."
1902
01:35:11,378 --> 01:35:13,338
And it's like, you know.
1903
01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:15,382
We went through, like,
three different, like,
1904
01:35:15,424 --> 01:35:18,719
state-of-the-art, cutting edge
bleeding edge microphones.
1905
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:22,222
And he was just,
like, too big a voice
1906
01:35:22,264 --> 01:35:23,890
for these fucking microphones.
1907
01:35:23,932 --> 01:35:24,933
And he's like,
"I kind of told you guys.
1908
01:35:24,975 --> 01:35:27,477
"That's why
I bring my own mic."
1909
01:35:27,519 --> 01:35:29,479
And so, they're like,
"Oh, yeah."
1910
01:35:29,521 --> 01:35:32,065
And they plugged in his mic,
and it was like, ding.
1911
01:35:32,107 --> 01:35:34,735
And it was like,
it just sounded like Dio.
1912
01:35:34,776 --> 01:35:37,571
Now, go, my son
1913
01:35:37,612 --> 01:35:42,576
And rock
1914
01:35:46,955 --> 01:35:48,874
Oh, yeah.
1915
01:35:48,915 --> 01:35:50,917
Yeah, I just can't believe
this is really happening.
1916
01:35:50,959 --> 01:35:55,255
I just felt an obligation
to thank him for, you know,
1917
01:35:55,297 --> 01:35:59,801
gracing us with his gift
of, uh, of his singing
1918
01:35:59,843 --> 01:36:02,179
and... and music
ability and inspiration.
1919
01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:05,098
It was deeply moving to me.
1920
01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:07,350
Holy diver
1921
01:36:07,392 --> 01:36:10,312
You've been down too long
in the midnight sea
1922
01:36:10,353 --> 01:36:13,690
Oh, what's becoming of me
1923
01:36:13,732 --> 01:36:15,692
Look out
1924
01:36:15,734 --> 01:36:17,444
Ride the tiger
1925
01:36:17,486 --> 01:36:20,363
You can see his stripes,
but you know he's clean
1926
01:36:20,405 --> 01:36:23,992
Oh,
don't you see what I mean
1927
01:36:24,034 --> 01:36:25,619
Whatever happens,
wherever you are,
1928
01:36:25,660 --> 01:36:28,914
as a musician,
you have to play through it.
1929
01:36:28,955 --> 01:36:30,415
Let the music push through
and play through
1930
01:36:30,457 --> 01:36:32,250
and still stay strong.
1931
01:36:32,292 --> 01:36:34,795
Yeah
1932
01:36:34,836 --> 01:36:36,630
The music industry
and music, it's...
1933
01:36:36,671 --> 01:36:38,507
everything has a season.
1934
01:36:38,548 --> 01:36:40,926
People missed
that kind of music again.
1935
01:36:40,967 --> 01:36:44,137
I'll never forget it.
I was married to a woman.
1936
01:36:44,179 --> 01:36:46,598
She had two boys and they had
a ball because they were
1937
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,100
kicking my ass in Guitar Hero
with "Holy Diver."
1938
01:36:49,142 --> 01:36:51,645
I was getting my ass
kicked on Guitar Hero
1939
01:36:51,686 --> 01:36:54,231
by these two nine-year-olds
on a Dio song
1940
01:36:54,272 --> 01:36:56,983
and I was in Dio,
for fuck's sake, you know?
1941
01:36:57,025 --> 01:36:59,444
Holy diver
1942
01:36:59,486 --> 01:37:01,404
Sole survivor
1943
01:37:01,446 --> 01:37:03,907
Suddenly, rock and heavy metal,
1944
01:37:03,949 --> 01:37:07,536
people are starting to dig it.
It's not a passing fad.
1945
01:37:07,577 --> 01:37:09,204
It's something
much deeper than that.
1946
01:37:09,246 --> 01:37:11,456
And sure enough,
within a few years,
1947
01:37:11,498 --> 01:37:14,626
the whole classic rock market
has matured.
1948
01:37:14,668 --> 01:37:17,420
And it's the ones
that really, really mean
1949
01:37:17,462 --> 01:37:21,007
something to people
that will always endure.
1950
01:37:21,049 --> 01:37:23,844
And we got a phone call
from the record label.
1951
01:37:23,885 --> 01:37:26,888
And they're going to re-release
the Dio years with Sabbath.
1952
01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:29,182
And I don't know,
out of the blue, Ronnie goes,
1953
01:37:29,224 --> 01:37:31,643
"Well, maybe we should just
write a couple of songs."
1954
01:37:31,685 --> 01:37:35,355
We worked on these songs
to go into the box set
1955
01:37:35,397 --> 01:37:38,817
and, uh, we really enjoyed it.
We really enjoyed doing it.
1956
01:37:38,859 --> 01:37:40,610
When we got together,
1957
01:37:40,652 --> 01:37:42,404
it was like old friends
meeting again.
1958
01:37:42,445 --> 01:37:44,906
I don't know.
just a certain vibe that you get
1959
01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:47,325
that just feels right.
1960
01:37:47,367 --> 01:37:50,787
And we said,
"Well, let's get together,
1961
01:37:50,829 --> 01:37:52,873
"Let's make another album
and go on tours
1962
01:37:52,914 --> 01:37:55,542
and get
the band back together."
1963
01:37:55,584 --> 01:37:57,377
And they decided
they were not going to call it
1964
01:37:57,419 --> 01:37:59,713
Black Sabbath, this time.
1965
01:37:59,754 --> 01:38:01,548
They were going
to call it Heaven and Hell.
1966
01:38:04,801 --> 01:38:07,554
Alright,
let's check this out, guys.
1967
01:38:07,596 --> 01:38:10,932
Oh, for God's sakes,
my eyes suck.
1968
01:38:10,974 --> 01:38:13,810
Can you tell me which...
1969
01:38:13,852 --> 01:38:15,687
God, I'm a little jittery
from coffee.
1970
01:38:17,689 --> 01:38:21,109
Now to pretend
1971
01:38:21,151 --> 01:38:24,362
And make up an ending
1972
01:38:24,404 --> 01:38:26,948
Somewhere
1973
01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:31,661
Far away
1974
01:38:31,703 --> 01:38:35,248
Here's one thing that is true.
1975
01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:40,295
I think that Ronnie James Dio's
best-ever song
1976
01:38:40,337 --> 01:38:44,841
was his very last song,
which was called "Bible Black"
1977
01:38:44,883 --> 01:38:47,510
off the Heaven and Hell
record.
1978
01:38:47,552 --> 01:38:50,013
How many artists can say that
1979
01:38:50,055 --> 01:38:52,724
their last single
was among the best?
1980
01:38:52,766 --> 01:38:55,894
To me, it's the best.
I love that song.
1981
01:38:55,936 --> 01:38:57,562
Thank God, I remembered
to say that on here
1982
01:38:57,604 --> 01:38:59,564
because it's totally true.
You can put it on.
1983
01:38:59,606 --> 01:39:01,691
Thank me later.
1984
01:39:01,733 --> 01:39:04,569
Bible black
1985
01:39:08,031 --> 01:39:09,741
How heavy is that?!
1986
01:39:15,538 --> 01:39:18,041
What's this world I see?
1987
01:39:18,083 --> 01:39:20,794
Who are you
and who are me?
1988
01:39:20,835 --> 01:39:23,004
The fact
that Ronnie got back together
1989
01:39:23,046 --> 01:39:26,216
with Tony
and Geezer and Vinnie,
1990
01:39:26,257 --> 01:39:30,261
I've never known him
quite so, uh, Zen.
1991
01:39:30,303 --> 01:39:33,264
This was exactly
the way it was supposed to be.
1992
01:39:33,306 --> 01:39:35,600
Just like the early days, just
like Heaven and Hell again.
1993
01:39:35,642 --> 01:39:38,979
And it was just so much fun.
It was just, wow.
1994
01:39:39,020 --> 01:39:42,691
Everybody was absolutely
kickin' ass, being friends.
1995
01:39:42,732 --> 01:39:45,652
Everybody was having
such an amazing time together.
1996
01:39:45,694 --> 01:39:47,278
You could tell.
1997
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,448
Even Iommi would
smile occasionally.
1998
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:53,284
It was really great
because we've gone through
1999
01:39:53,326 --> 01:39:55,245
a lot together over the years.
2000
01:39:55,286 --> 01:39:57,497
And you get to
appreciate things a lot...
2001
01:39:57,539 --> 01:40:00,125
Sometimes you can't see it
when you're involved in it.
2002
01:40:00,166 --> 01:40:02,919
But later on, you think, "Oh,
wow, that was great." You know?
2003
01:40:02,961 --> 01:40:07,340
We seemed to have grown
out of all our miserable days.
2004
01:40:07,382 --> 01:40:09,843
Life's too short now.
You realize as you get older,
2005
01:40:09,884 --> 01:40:14,305
you go, "Why carry
a grudge or be unhappy?"
2006
01:40:14,347 --> 01:40:16,516
You realize,
you know, you don't get
2007
01:40:16,558 --> 01:40:18,977
these kind
of friendships, really good,
2008
01:40:19,019 --> 01:40:21,855
strong friendships.
They're so hard to get.
2009
01:40:21,896 --> 01:40:23,857
So, this is
a wonderful, wonderful time
2010
01:40:23,898 --> 01:40:25,692
of all of our lives.
2011
01:40:25,734 --> 01:40:27,485
Heaven and Hell
has made great difference
2012
01:40:27,527 --> 01:40:30,363
in just my, my attitude
as a human being now.
2013
01:40:30,405 --> 01:40:32,866
Let him go
He can't come back
2014
01:40:32,907 --> 01:40:38,371
He's reading
from the Bible Black
2015
01:40:38,413 --> 01:40:41,082
Heaven and Hell
took off. It was killer.
2016
01:40:41,124 --> 01:40:44,586
Got a great reception.
The album did really well.
2017
01:40:44,627 --> 01:40:48,006
Heaven and Hell
embodied a time when the big,
2018
01:40:48,048 --> 01:40:53,386
major, important heavy metal
stars were authentic.
2019
01:40:53,428 --> 01:40:56,556
They didn't learn it from
the bands that came before.
2020
01:40:56,598 --> 01:41:00,101
They didn't learn it from MTV.
They invented it.
2021
01:41:00,143 --> 01:41:02,687
Heaven and Hell
is an important band
2022
01:41:02,729 --> 01:41:04,898
because they
came along at a time
2023
01:41:04,939 --> 01:41:06,900
when you need
a kick in the ass.
2024
01:41:06,941 --> 01:41:09,861
And there's this man
all these years later,
2025
01:41:09,903 --> 01:41:12,781
still loving what he does
to do as a legendary singer.
2026
01:41:12,822 --> 01:41:16,201
That's remarkable, considering
we go all the way back
2027
01:41:16,242 --> 01:41:18,912
to The Red Caps.
2028
01:41:18,953 --> 01:41:21,581
It was like all
the chickens were coming home
2029
01:41:21,623 --> 01:41:24,584
to roost, and Heaven and Hell
was as much
2030
01:41:24,626 --> 01:41:28,713
about the culmination
of his journey, his music,
2031
01:41:28,755 --> 01:41:31,925
his universe, the love
he gave out every night
2032
01:41:31,966 --> 01:41:33,593
he walked on stage.
2033
01:41:33,635 --> 01:41:35,428
It seemed to me
that Heaven and Hell
2034
01:41:35,470 --> 01:41:40,058
was the encompassment
of all that good stuff.
2035
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:42,602
It was awesome. I went to
a couple of different shows.
2036
01:41:42,644 --> 01:41:46,231
There he was
in a 20,000-seat arena again.
2037
01:41:46,272 --> 01:41:48,274
And it was like,
"Ah, you're back home, man."
2038
01:41:48,316 --> 01:41:51,319
Thank you!
2039
01:42:04,958 --> 01:42:06,960
It was absolutely fantastic.
2040
01:42:07,001 --> 01:42:09,129
Everybody was
enjoying what we were doing.
2041
01:42:09,170 --> 01:42:11,256
And I remember sitting
with Ronnie and saying,
2042
01:42:11,297 --> 01:42:13,174
"You know, do you fancy
doing another album?"
2043
01:42:13,216 --> 01:42:16,803
He said,
"Yeah, I'll be up for that."
2044
01:42:16,845 --> 01:42:19,806
But of course, we never did.
2045
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:24,394
This is Damian
with BlackSabbath.com here,
2046
01:42:24,435 --> 01:42:26,271
backstage
with Ronnie James Dio
2047
01:42:26,312 --> 01:42:27,981
after performing
the last show on the tour.
2048
01:42:28,022 --> 01:42:30,984
Ronnie, sum up
the tour for us. How was it?
2049
01:42:31,025 --> 01:42:35,321
Uh, it was, uh, tiring.
It was...
2050
01:42:35,363 --> 01:42:37,157
Every show was great,
as always.
2051
01:42:37,198 --> 01:42:38,825
This band is never not great.
2052
01:42:38,867 --> 01:42:40,827
Uh, it was...
It was very productive.
2053
01:42:40,869 --> 01:42:42,829
We've been on the road
for such a long, long time.
2054
01:42:42,871 --> 01:42:44,622
Uh, you know, the music
made all the difference,
2055
01:42:44,664 --> 01:42:46,166
the shows we did
made all the difference.
2056
01:42:46,207 --> 01:42:47,667
And that's all why we do it.
2057
01:42:47,709 --> 01:42:49,335
So, I guess I'll you know,
2058
01:42:49,377 --> 01:42:51,504
I'll give it a nine and a half
out of ten.
2059
01:42:51,546 --> 01:42:53,548
And is that half point because
of a little bit of sadness
2060
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:55,508
that now the tour is ending?
2061
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:56,885
Or is this actually
the beginning,
2062
01:42:56,926 --> 01:42:58,636
the start of something new?
2063
01:42:58,678 --> 01:43:00,346
You always say,
"Well, gee, maybe I...
2064
01:43:00,388 --> 01:43:04,142
I'm going home. Oh, what
am I gonna do when I get home?
2065
01:43:04,184 --> 01:43:05,810
Maybe we should have done more."
2066
01:43:05,852 --> 01:43:07,312
Of course,
there's always sadness for that,
2067
01:43:07,353 --> 01:43:09,522
but, uh, we will do...
we'll do more,
2068
01:43:09,564 --> 01:43:11,274
and we'll
probably do another album,
2069
01:43:11,316 --> 01:43:13,484
and I'm sure we'll
certainly do another tour.
2070
01:43:13,526 --> 01:43:16,863
And for me, I know nothing
else other than to... to play.
2071
01:43:20,491 --> 01:43:22,744
Yeah, it was on the last...
We didn't know
2072
01:43:22,785 --> 01:43:25,580
it was the last tour
at the time. Heaven and Hell.
2073
01:43:25,622 --> 01:43:28,541
And before he was
going on stage, he'd be, like,
2074
01:43:28,583 --> 01:43:33,046
doubled up some nights,
terrible pain in the stomach.
2075
01:43:33,087 --> 01:43:36,049
And we're going, "Come on,
Ronnie. Go and see a doctor."
2076
01:43:36,090 --> 01:43:38,051
And he's going, "No, it will
pass. It will pass."
2077
01:43:38,092 --> 01:43:39,802
And he'd go on, as if nothing
2078
01:43:39,844 --> 01:43:41,471
was going on
when he got on stage.
2079
01:43:41,512 --> 01:43:43,181
He was just the usual Ronnie.
2080
01:43:43,223 --> 01:43:45,141
He wouldn't let it
interfere with him.
2081
01:43:45,183 --> 01:43:47,810
And then, he'd come off
and he'd be doubled up in pain.
2082
01:43:47,852 --> 01:43:49,479
He'd had problems
for about a year
2083
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,899
of, um, indigestion.
2084
01:43:52,941 --> 01:43:56,319
So he did a blood test.
The doctor called me
2085
01:43:56,361 --> 01:43:58,154
and he said,
"It's not good news."
2086
01:43:58,196 --> 01:44:00,865
somber instrumental
2087
01:44:00,907 --> 01:44:04,744
When we first found out
that he had cancer,
2088
01:44:04,786 --> 01:44:08,081
the two of us cried all night.
2089
01:44:08,122 --> 01:44:10,541
My life fell apart then.
2090
01:44:10,583 --> 01:44:14,170
I...Actually,
Ronnie was comforting me.
2091
01:44:14,212 --> 01:44:16,923
That night, when we both cried,
he was comforting me
2092
01:44:16,965 --> 01:44:20,260
'cause I was hysterically crying.
I couldn't...
2093
01:44:20,301 --> 01:44:24,347
I just couldn't think
of life without Ronnie.
2094
01:44:24,389 --> 01:44:26,766
You know, I mean,
I just couldn't think of life
2095
01:44:26,808 --> 01:44:28,685
without Ronnie at all.
2096
01:44:28,726 --> 01:44:31,729
And he was comforting me,
telling me,
2097
01:44:31,771 --> 01:44:34,274
"It's going to be ok,
it's going to be ok."
2098
01:44:34,315 --> 01:44:36,526
somber music
2099
01:44:36,567 --> 01:44:41,281
Every time I tried
to express concern and direct
2100
01:44:41,322 --> 01:44:43,116
the conversation towards
what he was dealing with
2101
01:44:43,157 --> 01:44:45,410
and let him know that I loved
him and I cared for him,
2102
01:44:45,451 --> 01:44:47,787
and I was there for him,
if I could do anything for him,
2103
01:44:47,829 --> 01:44:50,873
a lot of the conversation
was about him lifting me up
2104
01:44:50,915 --> 01:44:53,459
and making me feel good.
2105
01:44:53,501 --> 01:44:55,628
Where I was supposed
to be doing that to him,
2106
01:44:55,670 --> 01:44:58,965
as much as I tried,
that kept coming back to me.
2107
01:44:59,007 --> 01:45:01,551
Ronnie lost
the eyesight in one of his eyes.
2108
01:45:01,592 --> 01:45:04,429
Also, his hands
started shaking as well.
2109
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:06,014
Did he lose his voice?
2110
01:45:06,055 --> 01:45:09,267
No. No.
Never lost his voice. No.
2111
01:45:09,309 --> 01:45:12,437
Um, no.
That would have killed him.
2112
01:45:12,478 --> 01:45:16,107
A heavy metal music
icon is in Houston
2113
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:18,484
dealing with some
serious health issues.
2114
01:45:18,526 --> 01:45:20,486
The staff are
just so wonderful.
2115
01:45:20,528 --> 01:45:22,822
They just are the best people,
as you can see.
2116
01:45:22,864 --> 01:45:24,782
This is the Ronnie James Dio
2117
01:45:24,824 --> 01:45:26,659
few people have ever seen.
2118
01:45:26,701 --> 01:45:29,370
He's a bit soft-spoken.
He's relaxed.
2119
01:45:29,412 --> 01:45:32,081
Dio has stomach cancer.
2120
01:45:32,123 --> 01:45:34,292
You know, I've been
poked and prodded in holes
2121
01:45:34,334 --> 01:45:36,127
I didn't know I had before,
and they probably
2122
01:45:36,169 --> 01:45:38,463
made a few new ones. I don't
even know where they are.
2123
01:45:38,504 --> 01:45:40,673
I'm lucky
that I am a very, you know,
2124
01:45:40,715 --> 01:45:42,842
hard person and strong
within my beliefs.
2125
01:45:42,884 --> 01:45:44,844
Dio calls this experience
2126
01:45:44,886 --> 01:45:46,637
"Something to roll with."
2127
01:45:46,679 --> 01:45:48,973
I refuse to be beaten
in any way, shape or form
2128
01:45:49,015 --> 01:45:50,516
so I'm going
to beat this, too.
2129
01:45:50,558 --> 01:45:52,018
I just want to get better.
2130
01:45:52,060 --> 01:45:54,270
I just want to be cured,
you know?
2131
01:45:54,312 --> 01:45:56,606
They were trying a lot
of experimental drugs on him.
2132
01:45:56,647 --> 01:45:59,359
So, eyesight
came completely back.
2133
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:00,943
His hands stopped shaking.
2134
01:46:00,985 --> 01:46:03,613
Wendy Dio is always with him.
2135
01:46:03,654 --> 01:46:05,740
The treatment
seems to be working.
2136
01:46:05,782 --> 01:46:10,286
She says the tumor in
his stomach is getting smaller.
2137
01:46:10,328 --> 01:46:12,246
We used to call it
"killing the dragon."
2138
01:46:12,288 --> 01:46:13,581
We used to skip
down the halls going,
2139
01:46:13,623 --> 01:46:14,916
"We're killing the dragon.
2140
01:46:14,957 --> 01:46:17,585
We're coming to kill
the dragon."
2141
01:46:17,627 --> 01:46:20,588
And the Golden God goes to...
2142
01:46:20,630 --> 01:46:25,468
Ah! Ronnie James Dio!
2143
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:28,805
About the Golden Gods,
I remember very much that
2144
01:46:28,846 --> 01:46:31,349
because that was
the night that we thought,
2145
01:46:31,391 --> 01:46:34,018
"This is it.
He's back on track."
2146
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:36,854
It's great to be
back amongst people again.
2147
01:46:36,896 --> 01:46:39,273
It's been a little while since
I've been able to do that,
2148
01:46:39,315 --> 01:46:41,317
but I feel pretty good.
2149
01:46:41,359 --> 01:46:44,070
Can't wait to get back
on the stage again. Thank you.
2150
01:46:44,112 --> 01:46:45,446
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
2151
01:46:45,488 --> 01:46:46,864
I love everybody.
Thanks a lot.
2152
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:52,036
Dio, Dio, Dio!
2153
01:46:52,078 --> 01:46:54,580
"Dio, Dio, Dio."
Yeah, they were chanting
2154
01:46:54,622 --> 01:46:59,252
because I think that they also
were being as positive as I was.
2155
01:46:59,293 --> 01:47:00,628
It's all going to be over.
2156
01:47:00,670 --> 01:47:02,004
It's all going
to be a bad dream.
2157
01:47:02,046 --> 01:47:03,881
Dio! Dio! Dio!
2158
01:47:13,015 --> 01:47:15,143
During Angry Machines,
2159
01:47:15,184 --> 01:47:17,186
the first record
I ever made with him,
2160
01:47:17,228 --> 01:47:19,730
the record was done,
2161
01:47:19,772 --> 01:47:23,151
and he came in and he said,
"I wanna do one more song."
2162
01:47:23,192 --> 01:47:25,945
And I thought,
"Oh, really? You mean, so..."
2163
01:47:25,987 --> 01:47:29,073
I thought he meant, you know,
bring the whole band in.
2164
01:47:29,115 --> 01:47:30,658
And he said, "Oh, no,
it's just gonna be
2165
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:32,076
just me and some piano."
2166
01:47:32,118 --> 01:47:33,369
And I thought,
"Oh, ok, cool."
2167
01:47:33,411 --> 01:47:35,830
And just went out
and sang that song,
2168
01:47:35,872 --> 01:47:37,582
"This is Your Life."
2169
01:47:45,965 --> 01:47:49,927
There are people in
this world that are...
2170
01:47:49,969 --> 01:47:53,681
There are people that make
the world a better place.
2171
01:47:53,723 --> 01:47:59,479
Who cares
what came before
2172
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:04,817
We were only starlight
2173
01:48:06,569 --> 01:48:09,989
One day then nevermore
2174
01:48:10,031 --> 01:48:14,619
And he was one of them.
2175
01:48:14,660 --> 01:48:19,665
Because we're
whispers in the wind
2176
01:48:19,707 --> 01:48:22,543
He was in the hospital.
Everybody left.
2177
01:48:22,585 --> 01:48:25,838
I slept on the bed with him,
holding his hand.
2178
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,592
It was like 7:15 in the morning,
2179
01:48:29,634 --> 01:48:33,429
and he just, like,
shot up and looked at me.
2180
01:48:33,471 --> 01:48:35,223
And I was calling the nurse.
It's fine.
2181
01:48:35,264 --> 01:48:37,767
Like, what's happened?
And then he died.
2182
01:48:37,808 --> 01:48:40,728
It was like... it was like,
almost like he said goodbye.
2183
01:48:40,770 --> 01:48:45,900
This is your life
This is your time
2184
01:48:45,942 --> 01:48:50,279
What if the flame
won't last forever?
2185
01:48:50,321 --> 01:48:54,534
Ronnie and I had
a mutual friend that called me,
2186
01:48:54,575 --> 01:48:56,994
and I heard him in tears,
2187
01:48:57,036 --> 01:48:59,997
and he just said to me,
"He's gone."
2188
01:49:00,039 --> 01:49:02,959
And, um...
2189
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,378
Sorry, 'cause it's still...
2190
01:49:09,924 --> 01:49:11,676
Ronnie was that special, man.
2191
01:49:11,717 --> 01:49:15,304
All these years later,
it can still hit ya.
2192
01:49:15,346 --> 01:49:20,017
He was the heart and
soul of so many things,
2193
01:49:20,059 --> 01:49:22,186
so much music.
2194
01:49:22,228 --> 01:49:25,273
You don't always see that
while it's happening
2195
01:49:25,314 --> 01:49:28,568
because you feel like
there's gonna be more.
2196
01:49:28,609 --> 01:49:32,655
When Ronnie died,
there wasn't more.
2197
01:49:32,697 --> 01:49:35,616
There's not more Ronnies
out there.
2198
01:49:39,954 --> 01:49:44,000
He was the real deal.
That's who he was... is.
2199
01:49:44,041 --> 01:49:45,793
To me it's all about "is."
2200
01:49:45,835 --> 01:49:47,420
Ronnie still is in my head,
2201
01:49:47,461 --> 01:49:51,340
in my ears,
you know, in my heart.
2202
01:49:51,382 --> 01:49:55,720
Most importantly,
the music is what lets us know
2203
01:49:55,761 --> 01:49:57,179
that Ronnie is alive
and living with us.
2204
01:49:57,221 --> 01:49:59,557
Ronnie's beautiful messages
in his songs,
2205
01:49:59,599 --> 01:50:01,309
you know,
they're lifting people.
2206
01:50:01,350 --> 01:50:04,687
They're helping people get
through their own challenges.
2207
01:50:04,729 --> 01:50:05,938
These are the beautiful elements
of Ronnie
2208
01:50:05,980 --> 01:50:07,398
that will live forever.
2209
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,775
That's why he's everlasting.
2210
01:50:09,817 --> 01:50:12,278
And that's one of
the things he once said to me.
2211
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,574
He said, "The important thing
is it isn't just what you do
2212
01:50:16,616 --> 01:50:20,077
and what you learn,"
He said, "You gotta pass it on.
2213
01:50:20,119 --> 01:50:23,956
Then you've lived a life
worth living."
2214
01:50:23,998 --> 01:50:26,917
And now he passed his message
on to millions of us.
2215
01:50:26,959 --> 01:50:30,129
The message is, if you do
put your heart and soul
2216
01:50:30,171 --> 01:50:33,716
into something, no one
can take that away from you.
2217
01:50:33,758 --> 01:50:35,384
If you really
have something to say,
2218
01:50:35,426 --> 01:50:36,927
if you have
that love in your heart,
2219
01:50:36,969 --> 01:50:40,473
that really is
the most important thing.
2220
01:50:42,975 --> 01:50:45,269
There's a quote that I live by,
2221
01:50:45,311 --> 01:50:47,521
that Ronnie definitely nailed,
2222
01:50:47,563 --> 01:50:49,649
is from Horace Mann,
the educator.
2223
01:50:49,690 --> 01:50:51,484
He said, "Be ashamed to die
2224
01:50:51,525 --> 01:50:55,780
until you've won some
victory for mankind."
2225
01:50:55,821 --> 01:50:58,199
Ronnie ought not be ashamed.
2226
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,326
This is your life
2227
01:51:00,368 --> 01:51:02,370
This is your time
2228
01:51:02,411 --> 01:51:05,247
Look at your world
2229
01:51:05,289 --> 01:51:10,503
This is your life
2230
01:51:11,212 --> 01:51:13,714
I still talk to him, but it's
not like talking to him.
2231
01:51:13,756 --> 01:51:18,761
You know? I miss him.
2232
01:51:18,803 --> 01:51:21,430
The fans are still there.
2233
01:51:21,472 --> 01:51:24,350
I'm sure Ronnie
would love to know that.
2234
01:51:24,392 --> 01:51:27,520
He would love to know that
his memory is still there.
2235
01:51:27,561 --> 01:51:29,480
He's not forgotten.
He'll never be forgotten.
2236
01:51:29,522 --> 01:51:32,483
I will never allow him to be
forgotten as long as I live.
2237
01:51:44,328 --> 01:51:49,208
I believe in reincarnation.
2238
01:51:49,250 --> 01:51:51,335
I think you have
to be the ultimate being
2239
01:51:51,377 --> 01:51:53,379
before you get to that point.
2240
01:51:53,421 --> 01:51:55,381
You have to keep coming back
till you get it right.
2241
01:51:55,423 --> 01:52:00,261
I think Ronnie got it right.
2242
01:52:00,302 --> 01:52:02,888
I really think he got it right.
2243
01:52:52,313 --> 01:52:55,941
We're the ship
without a storm
2244
01:52:55,983 --> 01:52:58,569
The cold
without the warm
2245
01:52:58,611 --> 01:53:01,155
Light inside the darkness
2246
01:53:01,197 --> 01:53:04,992
That it needs, yeah
2247
01:53:05,034 --> 01:53:08,621
We're a laugh without tear
2248
01:53:08,662 --> 01:53:11,332
The hope without the fear
2249
01:53:11,373 --> 01:53:17,288
We are coming...
2250
01:53:17,630 --> 01:53:22,551
Home
2251
01:53:39,985 --> 01:53:42,822
We're off to the witch
2252
01:53:42,863 --> 01:53:45,407
We may never, never,
never, come home
2253
01:53:45,449 --> 01:53:48,077
But the magic that we'll feel
2254
01:53:48,118 --> 01:53:50,329
Is worth the lifetime
2255
01:53:50,371 --> 01:53:53,833
We're all born upon the cross
2256
01:53:53,874 --> 01:53:56,418
We're the throw
before the toss
2257
01:53:56,460 --> 01:53:58,587
You can release yourself
2258
01:53:58,629 --> 01:54:02,299
But the only way is down
2259
01:54:02,341 --> 01:54:04,885
We don't come alone
2260
01:54:04,927 --> 01:54:07,763
We are fire, we are stone
2261
01:54:07,805 --> 01:54:09,431
We're the hand that writes
2262
01:54:09,473 --> 01:54:14,436
Then quickly moves away
2263
01:54:14,478 --> 01:54:19,441
We'll know for the first time
2264
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:23,988
If we're evil or divine
2265
01:54:24,029 --> 01:54:28,325
We're the last in line
2266
01:54:28,367 --> 01:54:29,326
Yeah
2267
01:54:29,368 --> 01:54:32,913
We're the last in line
2268
01:54:34,707 --> 01:54:38,502
See how we shine
2269
01:54:38,544 --> 01:54:40,362
We're the last in
2270
01:54:40,504 --> 01:54:41,739
We're the last in
2271
01:54:41,881 --> 01:54:43,407
We're the last in
2272
01:54:43,549 --> 01:54:44,784
We're the last in
2273
01:54:44,925 --> 01:54:46,218
We're the last in
2274
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:49,346
We're the first in line
2275
01:54:49,388 --> 01:54:52,349
Oh-oh
2276
01:54:58,105 --> 01:55:00,524
We're a ship without a storm
2277
01:55:00,566 --> 01:55:03,152
We're the cold inside the warm
2278
01:55:03,193 --> 01:55:05,946
We're the laugh
without the tear
2279
01:55:05,988 --> 01:55:08,616
We're the smile
without the mirror
2280
01:55:08,657 --> 01:55:11,560
We're the last in line
2281
01:55:11,702 --> 01:55:14,188
We're the last in line
2282
01:55:14,330 --> 01:55:16,540
We're the last in line
2283
01:55:16,582 --> 01:55:19,293
See how we shine
2284
01:55:19,335 --> 01:55:25,299
We're the last in line
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