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headed out on a night out with the mate
John who were the sportsmen at the time
we were pretty drunk by this point
anyway but it tends to means when I go
around to Martin a Ash's house I was
just like yeah whatever so we go around
to his house in there he greets us on
the door with a screwdriver in his hand
kind of being quite threatening I was
just like what the [ __ ] going on here
he had some MDMA on him the add light
probably about 4 grams or something in
this little baggie and this guy ash was
just like that's not real MDI made us
fake that so we were passed it round
it's just like oh yes that's definitely
real and everything so I've got one way
of testing this real down the whole
thing you started out all right but as
time went by I started like sweating and
talking [ __ ] like no idea what the
[ __ ] was going on about and we were
kind of contemplating bringing an
ambulance then he started Hawking on and
saying that he's gonna inductors into
the church at the Spider Queen he needed
to punishes so that we can be baptized
and be worthy for like being at the
Church of the Holy Spirit and that he
got out this stood at Belton it tried to
make us like take our trousers down and
benders over and like smokers wrongly
asked with this would this stood it belt
we were all kind of a bit like this
guy's going mental we kind of look back
and laugh now but at the time it was a
bit scary to the other three
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dude [ __ ] apocalypse it's like when
he rains down on you like when he's so
happy I'm right I practice for example
when we come up with a new heavy race
we literally take pick up our here
bloody stuff and just [ __ ] Marsh
that's the pleasure inside when I close
my eyes playing a song I see like
[ __ ] visuals I we've got a something
about hugging volcano I closed my eyes
and I think about a little kid I can see
the book looking out overflowing and
[ __ ] suppose II
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this is Sheffield a city in the north of
England built on the steel industry and
home to about half a million people it's
produced plenty of famous musicians and
bands over the years Def Leppard the
Human League pulp and Arctic Monkeys to
name a few for its size Sheffield boasts
a really healthy community of bands and
musicians right now independent and DIY
venues often play host were thriving
dune sludge and stone ax scene one band
associated with Sheffield's DIY scene a
wetland a guitar and drums Bureau they
released their debut album in 2013
creating big ripples in UK underground
music
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to begin with sort of just a blues band
like we were this trashy kind of garage
blues but I'm not about to lose bored
creative people that one it's like on
[ __ ] Maine really [ __ ] stupid
basically and ever think somewhere along
the way we've been into the kind of fast
think like that the previous bottom is
all about like how many [ __ ] chords
gonna play in this song line and you
know somewhere along the way we stumbled
across this like this like low pin kind
of like things heavy and that's what we
were about we're just trying to be as
heavy as we could be yeah it's always
like it's like trying to run in a
swimming pool kind of things like this
like being stuck in a tar pit or
something like it's just this like
couldn't just to me shortly after the
release of their debut wet non sweatshop
well the drummer luckily remained a
vital part of local music
pushing the new wave of slow heavy music
by bringing big bands to settle for gigs
or festivals
many of his events were held at a look
hole a DIY venue that you're only likely
to hear about by word of mouth
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facilitated that kind of relationship
with astonishing cry loss we got to know
members of bands and and he would bring
gigs of Sheffield that wouldn't
necessarily happen in Sheffield
beforehand I mean the evidence is that
like you know people sort of have him as
this kind of like you know none of this
would be happening if it wasn't for a
few key people and and he was one of
them they opened up the DIY ethos for
our people I think
they're really important shows I mean
trying to recall them slapjack I was
probably the one that can mostly call it
just brought a home a hundred new faces
to the venue hundred people that
probably have not seen how would the ly
space works that much before and when he
really started the sauna gigs in the
logo
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and this is mr. Vaman to lucky from well
wrestling paste from the wet nuns it was
a good friend
well of ourselves and punky did a lot of
I'd say stoner geeks here prior to his
passing it was a very important part of
the community and we're very sorry those
past like he took his own life in late
2014
an avoiding Sheffield's DIY community
appeared with very little do stoner or
[ __ ] related activity
fewer touring bands were stopping off in
Sheffield and the scene appeared to have
gone doorman
but Leki's strong character and DIY
attitude had served as an inspiration to
others and it was only a matter of time
before something filled this gap
but I'm also glad that since his passing
people have really picked up as well and
started to bring stony gigs again to
Sheffield because we should be able to
experience all kinds of music really
almost up to 12 months there was no at
local at least there was no stoner gigs
no one came forward asking for any gigs
it was I think Joe was the first one
that came and asked if you could use the
venue for a gig
and we were we I mean we were hesitant
at first because it was a new person and
we're always a bit wary of new people
but we gave him a chance and it worked
out
sure was our ruin to Sheffield's do
stoner in sports community he's the
drummer in Kakuma on one half of foley
spider promotions
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holy spider are playing Sheffield on the
map for heavy music again by bringing
back touring bands that would have
bypassed it before we called in to Joe
shop where he works we wanted to talk to
him about why it's so involved it's slow
heavy music the world really know what
to get it's actually a pipe fitter album
laughing you don't really go to doom
Georgian stoner shows to hear nice
melodies and to hear someone singing
nice songs you go because you want to
feel like something heavy like hitting
you in the chest and that's the kind of
shows we try and put on with holy spider
we don't want to do something that feels
like a normal metal gig we want to do
something that feels like you're on some
kind of other plane of existence
it all just mashes together into this
experience of like really loud extreme
heavy affecting music I guess I've seen
many different things coming from Louis
Fieser
all in spite of always showed me a good
deal of new music would come from Joe
and also crave different types of doom
some classic imbalance some really stone
a different balance also a lot of just
like doom or just even playing city
we also went to speak with Craig Joe's
partner in holy spider promotions it was
Craig who spoke at the beginning of this
film about the origin of the holy spot
and named on a drunken night ow we
wanted to chat with him about how holy
spider operates and what the atmosphere
is like they're nice essentially it's
like a nonprofit organization by doing
it just for the sake of doing it in a
way I think the best way to describe it
was really like everybody else sort of
walk in like either before or during the
first button or something like grab a
pine going out there like you know see
the band stuff and then once that
banished everybody is like halt Luffy
jokey and like having a really good time
like trying to each other and everything
but then as soon as the next band starts
it's just straight to the stage like
watching and appreciating that Bank the
community of people that are into like
doom and stone and like actually fully
immerse themselves in the music if you
haven't come to a doom gig to fully
immerse yourself in the music I don't
think you have as good a time whereas if
you have and that's the reason why
you're there like you always walk away
that was amazing when we first got
involved the pair were working towards
their biggest project yet an all-day
event in the summer called doom lines
the venue was to be West Street Ale
House a bar on one of the busiest
streets in town the old deya would run
alongside tram lines a popular in a city
festival which takes over Sheffield's
venues hopes and parks for one weekend
every year we wanted to ask Joe what the
motivation behind doom lines was and why
it wasn't a part of the official
festival so you've got this the official
trans lineup and then you've got the
fringe the fringe is the best from a
book I feel like sometimes the official
lineup
it doesn't cater for doesn't clay it for
the underground I mean you can't really
expect it to when it's such a mainstream
festival now but that's kind of why we
started doing lines I could say we felt
heavy music was under-represent
we are never going to be part of that
official trombones thing but almost
doesn't matter because yeah what we're
doing for me and for the people who come
to things like do mines is far more
enjoyable
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but before we go any further let's
clarify exactly what doom is doom metal
is a sub-genre of heavy metal and
involves very slow tempos extremely loud
volumes repetitive sometimes psychedelic
riffs long compositions and lyrics
dealing with evil negativity
spirituality or fantasy it's a musical
equivalent of wading through thick black
treacle and inspires a devoted community
of fans
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it's all started with Birmingham's Black
Sabbath as well as been the forefathers
of metal in general they're specifically
credited with setting the template for
doomed guitarist Tony Iommi slow
trudging riffs and the eerie tone on
their debut in 1970 was new and unique
at the time
geezer Butler's wickedly dark lyrics and
Ozzy Osbourne's dramatic delivery also
really stood out over in the u.s. in the
70s and 80s pentagram and Scott why no
wine Rick's two bands the obsessed and
st. vitus began to solidify a sound that
can now be recognized as do later groups
like Candlemas from sweden and cathedral
from the UK continued to carry the doom
flag as a sound went on to grow and
contribute to heavy music around the
world we were lucky enough to be able to
speak with Black Sabbath's original
drummer Bill Ward he told us about first
channeling the power of doom on the
band's debut record at the same time and
allowed the Sun Black Sabbath to come
about and we all knew where to go and
there was very little said Tony played
those chords and then he's saying what
is this the stands before me it's like
okay I don't know what this is I don't
know what we're into but I [ __ ] like
it you know Sabbath influenced everybody
you know they're the first band that's
been down because Tony had between the
guitars down plays with his accent with
his fingers that started the whole thing
Tony plays more so in the pocket you
know playing these chords and want to
hear Dubey chords just let Tony went
from a little bit it's amazing that's
why we call the mr. mr. riff the riff
doctor
you know for me playing in a loud
aggressive band which is what Black
Sabbath was it's the most comfortable
sunny can heartfelt place one could
possibly be when I joined I had to play
overboard stuff you know so I had to
listen to bills he always said he was a
percussionist economy that we responded
to it was pretty much what we were
brought up around to be honest I saw a
lots before I was 15 you know there was
you know you get to see all kinds of
things when you living in the heart of
the city and you see all kinds of things
that you don't miss a might not want to
see but you see it anyway you know
people dropping dead fights violence
we're lifting the threat of the Iron
Curtain so there was a darkness across
Great Britain anyway you know we lived
under the threat of nuclear war I mean
it's not such a large step to take to
write about something like something
like war peace it's that's such a you
know we were in that reality yeah yeah
Sabbath really isn't it yeah be honest
like they just smoke weed all the time
so did all the bands in the 60s and
stuff and they make the music that we
pretty much make inspired by blues
psychedelic rock and Black Sabbath it
was during the early 90s that a STONER
sound started to emerge from California
focused around desert generator shows
the scene shunned the inner-city venues
and trappings of standard gigs for a
more freeform party atmosphere bands
like Caius Foo Mantua and sleep
pioneered this music full of groove and
fuzz with a laid-back stoned feel in
case you hadn't noticed already
marijuana plays a big part in this kind
of
many take this association to the
extreme with a gut of bands choosing
cannabis themed names for themselves
this that extends to album and song
titles artwork merchandise in fact we'll
be exploring this whole connection
between music and mary-jane later on
also during the early 90s sludge metal
was born from the marriage of doom with
the aggression of hardcore punk sludge
is like a Wilder greased-up version of
doom and it was a Melvin's from
Washington and first began to establish
a sound then came a sludge explosion in
New Orleans Louisiana this city full of
Catholicism and Voodoo birth - plenty of
drawling dirty blues bands we got the
chance to speak with Kurt Winston of New
Orleans sludge pioneers crowbar when
they came to Sheffield you know whatever
else was to be standard playing a
thousand miles an hour and we [ __ ] be
in travail and play super slow just we
felt that made it a lot heavier
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sound of it any motion of it whether
it's it's you know aggression or or
depression or whatever it might be
coming up in on a song you just move you
to the point where it's just like god
it's so [ __ ] heavy you know just I
don't know that's no way to describe it
I just I love heavy music and it's worth
pointing out that the word doom is now
something of an umbrella term when
people use it they might also be
referring to sludge and stoner and the
lines between these three subgenres are
pretty blurry anyway the bands in this
film all fall into the broader category
of doom in that they're slow loud
droning or psychedelic back in Sheffield
we wanted to see what kind of gigs holy
spider were putting on in the lead up to
doom lines this next one was taking
place at the Washington a traditional
pub in the city center popular with
Sheffield alternative crowd as well as
Friday night drinkers
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yes so we're coming to you live from the
Washington Alex Lama restore yeah yeah
this is this is the baton barrier right
here I've never seen so many out of the
entire global stage by these guys in
destroy you can't see the drummer will
see his head yeah the sound is good is a
small room so a fuse box then
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we've broken even again which is all yes
again yeah is it the way that I'm seeing
is like everything that we're doing so
far is on the lead up to two months like
everything that we do or money that we
make for that is gonna make enough
material to find things that indeed do
mine successful which like in tissue by
the responsive because so far
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back at the shop we asked Joe why it was
at first inspired him to get into doom
and sludge I grew up listening to a lot
of punk rock hardcore and then gradually
as was the fashion when you know we were
all growing up got into like metalcore
and just going to heavy shows in
Sheffield I guess I started smoking a
lot of weed and I was looking for
something that that fit that vibe that I
felt when I was high it goes hand in
hand because the way that it makes you
feel when it when you smoke it's like
sounds like sludge or doom makes you
feel you know from this what how it
makes me feel is how do miss life sounds
yeah the two things do you just seem to
go hand in hand really when you take a
hit and you put on your favorite album
it it sounds way better and it becomes
like this fantasy world that kind of you
just get sort of thinking you'll
probably find that there are a lot of
people who do smoke weed that will be
into that kind of music because it's
quite good to just have a spliff sit
back and just concentrate on it there's
a lot to concentrate on I was I was
always kind of irritated by the terms
stoner rock laughter I think he's it's
sad when any kind of form of creative
expression becomes just about the drops
that people are into it and they're
taking color äj-- what poetry I think
it's sad that everyone just looks at
coloration things that's that you know
it's it's pretty cool to smoke we didn't
listen to slow heavy music I stay well
together
when I was with down you know we are at
the time you know drank pretty heavily
and you know a lot of the guys did smoke
weed so you know we would you were we
were very creative in a circle together
look pretty good buzz you know it coming
up which ended up being great down was
much more of a a collaboration
jam session type thing so we jam from
you know [ __ ] in the afternoon until
whenever two o'clock in the [ __ ]
morning summoned by then everybody was
pretty tanked or hi whatever it might be
you know but we were able to come up
with some great music doing it that way
pretty early on I tried to curtail my
drinking to just be having a few drinks
during the day and then getting totally
pissed after the gig so so I tried not
to bring it onto the stage too much but
he went on the stage for a while and so
did the LSD and a few other things
cocaine but they found no I found no
real solutions or the real enjoyment and
real in playing that way on stage I was
realizing that I could have easily
[ __ ] everything up you know it's
interesting to talk about the phenomenon
of using LSD while you're playing in
front of twenty-five thirty thousand
people but at the same time
in hindsight which I couldn't you time
to look at that I was taking huge risks
with not only my performance but with
the entire performance and I really
recognize how foolish that was it's just
like I like you know in comparison to
how I am today and in the way that I'd
like to play drums in the way that I'd
like to be onstage you know it's just
like I guess that was something that I
went through I was never really into the
whole listening to music smoking me it
doesn't affect me nicely but music and
the musicians seem to be able to bring
through that feeling that they possess
when they are maybe influenced and they
can't actually channel it into music
effectively giving the listener that
kind of same feeling - I think it
totally has influenced them were not any
kind of vibe you know the repetitious
vibe of this kind of music right if we'd
wasn't
around people just kind of end the riff
I'll just end it we've played it four
times as I send it instead of like no
I'm so stoned man play it another 16
times
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why else would you get these long doom
epics we'd like stoned out fuzz kind of
sauce they changed the riff yeah he said
it's too good
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one of UK dooms biggest bands right now
is Conan from Liverpool
they were playing destructively heavy
doom before the genres recent surge in
popularity I'm back in 2013
Robin lucky put them on at a venue in
Sheffield called the Harley Rob told us
a bit about how the two of them used to
put on gigs and although festivals we
were gonna call it depressed of all it
didn't look very detestable
from that we started doing some shows
that were like just bands that we
thought recall that we're going on tour
and when playing a Sheffield gig so that
Conan show was like a detestable
presents gig I just remember Conan being
extremely atmospheric extremely moody
extremely heavy extremely loud and that
was only amplified by the way we were
feeling and it was almost a transcendent
experience like I was touched by the
finger of doom that night what we left
that gave me like we need to do
something like this we need to create
our own thing that you know makes us
feel like we just felt tonight Conan's
influence can be witnessed at most doom
gigs in the UK we'd noticed that you'll
often find at least one person wearing
one of their shirts
fortunately the band invited us to film
them a gig they were playing at the star
and garter so we go on the train from
Sheffield to Manchester I just like the
honesty of it I like that I like the
fact that the music is quite simple and
us to live it's hard you know it was
really not a lot of music has that same
level of honesty in a way you people
just want to put themselves in turn the
ramps or bridges
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Chris and John from Conan room skyhammer
a studio in Cheshire where plenty of UK
tomb bands have been recording recently
after the gig they offered as a guided
tour of the place so what comes she do
I'm she around
see all the noise stuff happens shades a
Lloyd
yeah yeah
just that best to my name three new 506
patients new produced something really
virtually outlawed that very old so we
get not so old that's about it really
I think the main things would like the
cone guitar sound general is just the
fact that guitar is tuned to drop F so
that's totally and it sounds like you
know the tuning the this fuzz style of
the riffs and tempo of a song lends to
when you know when stuff not so fast you
can end so it's just like sustained
chords or sound huge you can get a real
fix and we got John talking about the
origins of Conan there's been plenty of
lineup changes since the band first
formed but John has been the one
constant member behind everything 2005
2006 I just wanted to start a band that
played like heavy music book you know
I'm [ __ ] at guitar so wanted to play
something where I could just play really
simple stuff and just play as loud as
possible and the name Conan just came up
I was like oh yeah coño because that
like sums of the lyrical themes also the
character himself is quite simple you
know he's like just like a guy who goes
around the clutter and people on the
head with a sword it's a song music
which is played by people who really
just and just want to play heavy music
for the fun of it because it promises
very little I think you can enjoy it for
longer so you can you can get a 40 Chris
is 22
and you can get to that age and still
feel good that you're playing this music
it doesn't feel like a waste of time
you've not headlined at Wembley but who
gives a [ __ ] you have a great time doing
it
John also recently started his own
record label black folk
independent labels are a vital part of
underground music and directly share
pajamas identity and sound like Bowie is
really pushing the new wave of doom at
the moment and is a home to both
established and up-and-coming bands
okaywell records began life with the
release of busts debut album didn't
really have any plans to start a label
up but then when I heard that record and
I thought and they didn't have a label
at the time and I thought wow well why
don't I just put the records out then so
I put their release on my credit card
paid for the pressing of the album it
went really well
that's a repressive awesome and now our
label owner like oh this is cool as [ __ ]
over time it snowballed you know like
I'm releasing quite a lot of music in
all different formats and for me it's
just really enjoyable to put music out
full of the bands and most of the 99% of
the bands that were out of release I've
recorded their music hero Chris so it is
an advert for studio as well
back in Sheffield Joe told us about a
leaving party happening on Saturday
night his friend's house
it wasn't a holy spider show but we went
along to film anyway and discovered
another aspect of Sheffield's music
scene parties in cellars just a father
Dale Road Chris Luna Maria about that
cocoon will fade with and I find that
shows one of their members is leaving to
travel around the world his bite so he's
starting to leave a fight in his
basement
few bands few DJ's curcuma and his
bamboo Maria are playing so yeah it's a
nice crowd nice basement
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for a few years just gotten used someone
from during offset and they'll just be
mining
but the good times can't last forever
everything seemed to be on track for
doom lines but with only a month to go
out of nowhere
holy spider received some terrible news
through the whole event into jeopardy
from Craig I don't know all the ins and
outs but the venue that we were going to
put be put in Doom lines on at has White
was off the calendar and just say no you
can't do it here anymore all I know
apart from that is that um it's going to
be taken over by a new set of people and
they ideas about mondo it's just very
cool and because I feel like the city
center gets overrun with the same bands
and the same type of music and people
who like this kind of music don't have
anything to go to really they didn't he
said holy spider or I did we had you
know I do mines last year and it was
meant to be a heavy alternative to
tramlines
you know is the I why he's meant to do
something different and in the way that
doom pushes the envelope in how extreme
it is I wanted to do that a bit more and
just not provoke but just not be scared
about we're putting on this kind of
music and yet people like it you know I
didn't want it to necessarily be on the
fringes but it's just the way goes it
just has to be
we wanted to find out why holy spider
was having such trouble putting on a
heavy all daya during a citywide
festival meant to celebrate music we
spoke to Dan a local sound engineer and
in-house promoted from another venue in
town especially funny I got approached
by promoter asking if he could pawn day
on Sunday and I'd have loved to because
they put a lot of shows that my venue
and they do draw a bigger crowd than
most of the gigs to be honest you took
on guaranteed 50 plus people however
whether being tramlines
the bars gonna be full we don't
necessarily need the music to bring
people in so it's more about trying to
not scare off the people that have come
in they'd rather so you keep it safe
have something a bit easier to listen to
and all this it isn't gonna scare off
the punters rather than take a risk and
pawn a bit something a bit heavier and
louder which is gonna scare away all the
Fairweather people and their neutrals
and all of that it's kind of always been
like the black sheep of the music world
I just in general I think that means
that means that the DIY scene
surrounding it is even stronger because
people know if they don't keep it alive
no one else will
it seemed that alternative music venues
in Sheffield were constantly up against
uncertainty and financial instability
we've been hearing about a lot of venue
closures or venues changing hands from
this leads to an ever-shifting playing
field for promoters and bands
fortunately DIY venues seem to be
picking up a lot of the slack
these are collectively run spaces that
work around the law and fall somewhere
in between a practice space and gig
venue the lug hole where we attended our
first holy spider gig is one example but
even DIY spaces are far from safe we
went to speak with tie-dye tapes to find
out about how city wide redevelopment
has forced them out of the home this
business face holidays is going knocked
down to make way for flats we've had
troubles in the past with probably quite
Riley and our neighbors residential
neighbors complaining about the noise
occasional kind of police turning up
here and coming in and searching the
place and things like that I think those
kind of things will become more
prevalent in Sheffield as it becomes
more residential and I think that will
you know hopefully won't but it could
prove to be a bit of a problem for the
local who just down the road
go upstairs and see what a couple of
practice rooms out here the cleanest
civilian ages
you see setlist on the wall
another practice room it's all pretty
Punk
this is the waiting area / Hmong smoking
room here's all the ones of Catherine's
stage 12 people where besides a prime
example for it I mean Riverside has
taken over it was owned by a charity by
Point Blanc which was a theatre charity
but it then was a beggar bought out by
the foreign company and since then
they've eliminated any kind of life
music because food makes more money when
you're making that kind of comparison we
think in that kind of mind frame when
what's motivating you is the financial
bottom line there's no point trying to
work with those people at all trying to
do good evening with those people I'm
part of a probably about a ten member
group that puts on gigs here we will
last up gig prices are no more than 10
pounds we were like we will say that you
can bring your own beer so we try and
promote a affordable culture of music
for young people old people middle-aged
people I mean the 30s I say so we try
and make try and make an accessible
space
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another band are no strangers to play
Sheffield a slab driver from London in
the past they played gigs for both lucky
and totally Spyder including the first
gig at the lug hole we filmed the
three-piece practice and record at the
Crowsnest a home studio owned and
operated by their guitarist Sam I was
recording a band years ago someone did
this fo called it like just made me
crack up laughing I was like that sounds
like someone dragging a slab of concrete
over like concrete
it was just like it was horrible
was I just named it the slug dragger and
that name stuck in my head for a while
and then I just thought that would be a
good name for the band like since
science lab dragger in that i just
started recording loads of doom slide
stone airy jam jammy bands and
psychedelic weird [ __ ] I make a band
sound like a band in the room all dance
just like melting and like you know
broken drum heads you can hear the snare
at all I might come up live like his
filthy and dirty like technically but it
gives a result that people seem to think
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it's a kind of a broad fing doom or
stone or whatever it is the jaws from so
many different influences so you get
some bands herb you know really crusty
and some are more psychedelic and more
prog bands and stuff and you end up with
this whole like well for different stuff
and different influences but it it all
ends up coming back to just like loads
of dudes and like playing guitar riffs
yeah yeah is Sabbath really isn't it
happy honest put it this way like if you
want to play doom to make money then
you're probably gonna say baa-baa-baa or
be disappointed yeah but saying that
playing in Augustine's like this is only
scene I've ever played in where bands
actually get paid like honest from
owners that actually want to pay for the
band's to see the band's themselves like
they're fans after years and years of
learning to play and putting all your
money and effort into buying instruments
and stuff it once you got that it
becomes a self-perpetuating thing yeah
where there's like all these places in
the UK and Europe that I would not have
seen if it wasn't for playing music and
I've got to do it for free
I've not made any money but you know
some guys pay for my petrol and give me
some beers and some food
back in sheffield joandcraig met up to
discuss their options for saving doom
lines from cancellation that did well to
hide it but we knew that this was a
pretty stressful situation for them both
basically the occupancy by the best
option because is the best location pros
are it's free you can help us with PA
hire
he doesn't mind giving up this venue for
that because it'll be good for the show
I'm the only condition is we just set
the door charge off a little bit earlier
than we normally comes the space isn't
really that big is not really anywhere
to pull any of the gear and there's
definitely no sort of green room who
wants to hang out and stuff green room
isn't an issue for physical none so it's
just a location thing man light that's
why it needs to be because people they
want to go to another it's a bad
location for what takes pretty much all
the boxes yeah I mean the only thing
gives up will be concerned about is
sound sound we can get Sawyer's sound
good
yeah I'm gonna get something as good as
I physically
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as soon as the new venue was set Craig
and Joe jumped online to spread the word
the Internet is a vital tool when it
comes to being abandoned or promoter in
the 21st century
especially for underground music one
person who recognizes this is Kaz Whelan
from Terrorizer Terrorizer is a
long-standing print magazine that
supported extreme metal for years but
lately it's had to expand its online
presence to stay relevant just been
around for years and years
it's kind of like it's not quite as big
underground stuff more extreme soundings
thoughtful or just kind of lesser-known
stuff I suppose there's just so much
music out there now that it can be
pretty the wildering just try to like
take it all in so I still think like in
that sense magazines and things like
that do have a role to play and just
like narrowing down the focus a bit I
guess
just so you know you're not confronted
with this vast realm of music you can
kind of pick and choose of it you've got
all these different groups and pages and
blogs and stuff on Facebook that all
you're all kind of focused around it and
it just helps that network of people
find this stuff very quickly it's really
helpful for putting on games and stuff
as well team just some chatting in work
it's made it's made the world a smaller
place in effect I especially like with
organizing tools and stuff my probably
even awful it's not just getting the
music out there it's just like being
connected with people and like you know
wants to sue our tour in Japan like
easily just hit up some people
straightaway like before internet and
stuff else free world hard you probably
are signed to a label and get like
managers involved the reason I found
that kiraku me in the first place
made me want to get into this was
because I looked on YouTube family by
accident really enjoyed the music for
where they from I don't know I'd see a
show
turns out they were from Sheffield
complete accident and that's the story
from there I hear a lot of arguments to
say that like the internet is killing
live music because people can get what
they want on demand and they don't go
out and check out new bands I think more
than anything like it it's it's creative
platform so people don't need big labels
and they don't need massive amounts of
money to get their music out there they
can just put it online and you know
hopeless you know they may still listen
to it and then they can show it to more
people from there it's kind of like like
that the music is the thing everyone
just gets for free and then they fund
the other parts of it that allow people
to make the music which in a way is kind
of a shame but then in another way it's
that's pretty cool because it means you
know everyone kind of has access to the
music and everyone can you know take
part in the main thing the big important
thing yes hard work not a band set or
good then use it the right way and still
do the hard work are the ones that are
gonna be successful you know um you
can't just you know put out a be a
Facebook page be in a ceramic Twitter
and all I kind of [ __ ] music and expect
our you know expect all these great
results it's like he's still gonna work
on you still gonna bust your ass
holy spider have used the internet and
Facebook to book fans from all over the
world
in the lead up to doom lines they were
hosting primitive man from Denver
Colorado
these guys are signed to relapse records
and a well known for their desolate
sound and imagery we spoke to them after
the gig about playing music as an escape
from the nine-to-five lifestyle
we both work at bars
we make [ __ ] I mean we're modern men but
the music really sounds I'm not trying
to let go over-the-top and shred
anyone's head off so you know I mean you
live in the modern age but we're trying
to ride some simple music this just
right I'm trying to overthink things
now smokes and bells and all that [ __ ]
is just [ __ ] three dudes you kind of
sacrifice having a society standard
successful life to play music together
and really do art me personally like I
just I never really questioned it I
guess I just always wanted to play like
the happiest hardest music that I could
possibly play and I would play with a
book right good at the time but this is
the first time that I felt like I'd find
the image but I really wanted
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we're writing about like real life stuff
you know so I mean it's like a more of
like a way or at least bad feelings
about life's life [ __ ] that makes sense
a lot of people see this music as an
outlet I do think they reflect the
sentiment that kind of exists especially
in countries like the US and UK at the
moment where everyone's just pissed off
with everything a lot of deem you could
say that's escapism with a lot a lot of
you know places that go a little like
witches and wizards and all the kind of
fantastical thing but even then there's
a lot of like social commentary within
that and it's just kind of like that the
whole fantastical element is just used
as like a saying for it rather than just
like I don't know you know don't think
about what's going on here's a dude with
a big beard and a pointy hat whatever
it's kind of like I think there's more
to it than just like I'll just switch
off from the world it's kind of like but
to know it helps you can like kind of
process the world as opposed to just
like disconnecting from it I have to go
to the very bottom of wherever I am and
celeb it's not not particularly nice but
I have to go to the bottom of it drag it
all out and put it on a piece of vinyl
or vigorously do if it sounds like it's
morbidity or if it sounds depressing
then then so be it you know but a lot
but when you release these things like
for instance right now using it as an
example I'm not necessarily depressed
but suicidal or anything else I have
been I've been through what I've been
through those and there was a long time
ago
you know you can just like screamer
people for 30 minutes it's like like
primal scream therapy or something like
that but there's also like a kind of
creative aspect to it as well so it's I
don't know it's kind of my like the
anger in otherwise you would just be
walking around with it's kind of light
it forces you to like focus night into
something I'm a bit different myself but
I mean especially now
I [ __ ] love my job like but I still
come home and listen to heavy [ __ ] all
the time but please I'm not trying to
escape anything really through it at
certain teams like the ones that are
kind of like expansive ones and kind of
are they're the ones where you can
actually like think about stuff almost
like they're better than more cathartic
ones I think really long-run doubts
lodges anything it's kind of deliberate
that it's an in that kind of really
sucks you in just being able to switch
up from your own dogs and they
I mean you just don't have any space and
your brains think about your problems as
well when you get hit by a wall of you
know horrendous noise you just totally
at the moment that point you know huge
this here
I mean if escapism is what it's about
then it's you know we are pressed to
find music you can escape into this kind
I think yeah like there's like a droning
thing and so much of music which is
quite like mantra like
inducing that sort of stuff obviously
has come through and you know probably
resonates people when they listen to
sort music that we blamed other bands
you know of our peers and muscle stuff
it's the trance thing man yeah sending
you into trance my not sony and
repetition here kind of being
overpowered and guided by something
yes I'm weird force that these notes are
making you should hit that that's what
it's there for
like whatever level you want to get into
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whilst I'm stood there like you know
with other guys in a room like playing
music it's or if the only thing that I'm
thinking about for that moment is the
music that I'm playing so yeah that is
my form of escapism for me it's a really
nice release you know escapism not like
I've got this weird life that I need to
escape from but at the same time playing
live on stage gives me the same feeling
that though you play like a cool could
be a game be doing a live gig for me was
I need it same way the audience whatever
they needed to get from it I needed to
get from it as well and I and I need to
to thrash in to fly and to get
everything care of me and you know and
breach that that place of satisfaction
on the inside I like to come off the
stage wasted you know so it's very
sexual actually so it's just like you
know it's the same thing that we have to
do and we have to get together have sex
the water
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it's hard as [ __ ] but it's got the love
at the end and that's why that's what I
like and that's why I feel so I feel
angry but I'm like loving it
positive anger yeah it's actually that
yeah I see it
exactly I might look like I'm totally
just pissed off everyone on stage but
like I might loving it totally and I'll
be grinning afterwards for hours
see phone from me like like lyrically a
lot of people at first listen they hear
the music they they might look at a song
title they might hear a few lines and
they think it's negative and whatnot but
lyrically I really write positive lyrics
come on the subject matter might be dark
it might be about you know um you know
drug abuse alcoholism things that I've
been through in my life that I've been
around you know depression anxiety um
you know suicide whatever it might be
but it's it's never Pro any of those
things it's about getting over you know
the lights about the light at the end of
the tunnel for me personally I was
motivated by not letting my own personal
situation take over my not not letting
it bugged me down you know and I thought
okay we're gonna deal with all the [ __ ]
least thing I can do is write some music
and try and find happiness in that and
then let the rest of my life kind of
work its way out you know over time you
know and then yeah we definitely
definitely was able to bridge that gap
between feeling [ __ ] and feeling okay
again you know musics always been there
has always helped me to do that and that
is like something that really I can't
play to youth culture I think is about
fashionable attached
you know no one gets to talk about that
feelings or anything like that
everyone's just so I don't care chill
that's sort of in it in happy music
which is yeah like you get people who
are ball might say where the hardness
leaves and the lyrics it's like you know
there's some very serious stuff going on
yes that's great we write in speak about
reality you know a lot of people are
scared of reality that's the truth hurts
and you know a lot of people try to
sugarcoat it try to sweep it under the
rug you know whatever you want to call
it but I think it's important like
people always ask me you know can we
talk about this in an interview like you
can ask me anything you want I might not
answer but chances are I'm gonna because
I think it's important for people
struggling you know with some type of
with depression or whatever it might be
alcohol enjoy like I would say it's very
important for them to realize that
they're not alone other people have been
there there's never been any time that
I've never wanted to be playing music I
want to play music till the day I die
the only time was in 1983 I felt so
ashamed drank again that I decide I did
a really stupid thing I said I swore off
it was my own self-will and they I swore
off that I would never ever play ever
again in my life ever ever ever and that
was in 1980s their fall of 1983 and I
fell into such a horrible depression
that I because they had music inside me
all the time it's with me 24 hours a day
and crammed it all down it's like no I'm
not going to listen to that no one even
at a pieman have been to do their own
movie that did things like that that I'm
gonna hear drunk you know and by doing
that I became incredibly ill and I'll
never do that to myself
again never ever ever ever do that to
myself again
finally the weekend music fans in South
Yorkshire had been waiting for was here
tramlines festival the Yorkshire Minh
had stepped in at the last minute and
all of holy spiders planning was about
to be put to the test we navigated our
way through the city centre crowds to
this humble pub where Joe Craig and all
the other bands were setting up and
hoping that the day would turn out to be
a success
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I think it's kind of like the
camaraderie of it yeah like everyone
gets what everyone's made see stuff
everyone knows each other there's none
of that weird [ __ ] you like competition
where bands feel like they I don't know
they're getting competition with one of
them they're really good in completely
full of energy flow keep coming in low
to heavy [ __ ] going on
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there's a huge part of life these things
everywhere by even fact from where I
mean you just got to make your own scene
you I'll make it happen if you don't
there's not a scene tough you probably
know about it that's what musics
supposed to do
it's supposed to go wherever it's
supposed to it's pretty simple in our
soul I find out fall to a final judgment
you know leave that to something else is
wrong writers as well as opens metals
[ __ ] men
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I'll enjoy don't forget too much we
walked you by none other than those by
the promotions they must have shoutouts
my mind to this entire thing has been
organized between the collection of
people doing this but absolutely free
what are going to pick shot up to my
mind jump behind the boss helping us to
move this cake down here at the West
relleno house beside the devil's music
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mmm it doesn't matter they wasn't
eventually house this was almost perfect
in its own way I know what we do in is
special is not just mainstream it's not
background beer drinking music by it's
for real music crafts that's what we've
got today we've got now in Sheffield you
know I've got mates I've made through
honey pigs and you see people making
friends with each other YouTube
and it's just that's what it's all about
people coming together
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so I guess it's been eight months since
do minds ii do minds and yeah it was a
great day
looking back now it was hard by figuring
it all out especially with the venue
changed at the last minute but it worked
out and yeah it was a success and
definitely one of the best gigs all the
spiders poor and i guess people are
expecting it now expecting this to be a
third one and yeah hopefully it'll be
even bigger and better than than the
previous ones i'm not really doing too
many other holy spider shows because
cocoon was really taking off but as i
take a step back it worked out really
well because terry who's you know being
coming to our shows for a while and
helping out in in his own way he really
wants to get into putting shows on so
yeah we're bringing her into the holy
spider fold and and hopefully you'll be
able to do some good things in sheffield
I am excited to put some food on we're
at least even one person came to me and
said that was great I really enjoyed
myself it would just make me later and
realitor bring so many happiness like
that much like what many promoters have
done for me it does seem that Joe
doesn't believe in me and I do like them
effectively and just
there's a whole beaver that becomes like
part of your life thing after yeah yeah
you have to do it well yeah yeah you
have this like that need like in years
yeah hope you like the passing thing in
it you usually put it down yeah
this is different it changes like once
you get past that level it changes from
a hobby to like a lifestyle a lifestyle
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