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This could be our guy. 9 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:35,274 This could be our guy. 10 00:00:35,344 --> 00:00:37,067 Let's go over there. 11 00:00:37,137 --> 00:00:39,033 I wonder if this is him. 12 00:00:39,103 --> 00:00:41,137 Mr. Lewis? 13 00:00:41,206 --> 00:00:42,826 You're not James Lewis? 14 00:00:42,896 --> 00:00:44,137 - Oh, no. 15 00:00:44,206 --> 00:00:45,246 - Do you know who that is? 16 00:00:45,310 --> 00:00:46,585 - I don't. 17 00:00:46,655 --> 00:00:47,768 - Oh, I thought you were him. 18 00:00:47,792 --> 00:00:49,067 You ever seen this guy? 19 00:00:49,137 --> 00:00:51,448 Looking for someone in your building. 20 00:00:52,896 --> 00:00:54,378 They live in... 21 00:00:59,171 --> 00:01:01,481 So we went looking for James Lewis. 22 00:01:01,551 --> 00:01:02,551 - Mm-hmm. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,724 - We found him. 24 00:01:06,793 --> 00:01:08,965 - Interesting. 25 00:01:10,551 --> 00:01:11,965 - Here we go. 26 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:15,412 - Hi, Mr. Lewis? 27 00:01:16,343 --> 00:01:17,861 - Ah, was that him? 28 00:01:17,930 --> 00:01:19,930 - There's my boy. 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,033 - You look like James Lewis. - That's him. 30 00:01:22,103 --> 00:01:23,585 - I'm Brad. - Ooh, there he is. 31 00:01:23,655 --> 00:01:25,251 - I just am trying to get your side of the story. 32 00:01:25,275 --> 00:01:27,275 - Did he talk to you 33 00:01:27,343 --> 00:01:29,103 or tell you to go screw yourself? 34 00:01:35,551 --> 00:01:36,826 - I'm Sergeant Joe Murphy 35 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:38,043 with the Arlington Heights Police Department. 36 00:01:38,067 --> 00:01:39,182 I'm one of the investigators 37 00:01:39,206 --> 00:01:40,353 assigned to the Tylenol murders. 38 00:01:40,378 --> 00:01:41,688 - We recently went out, 39 00:01:41,758 --> 00:01:44,240 and we found James Lewis. 40 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:45,965 Would you like to see that? 41 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:47,240 - Sure. 42 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:48,722 - You look like James Lewis. 43 00:01:48,793 --> 00:01:50,171 I'm... I'm Brad. 44 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,688 I just am trying to get your side of the story. 45 00:01:53,758 --> 00:01:54,758 - Yeah. 46 00:01:54,793 --> 00:01:56,310 - Did you ever hear from him? 47 00:01:57,930 --> 00:01:59,551 - We're waiting. 48 00:02:10,586 --> 00:02:13,310 - It almost caused a national panic. 49 00:02:13,378 --> 00:02:14,861 - These deaths have been associated 50 00:02:14,931 --> 00:02:17,343 with the presence of cyanide in two containers 51 00:02:17,413 --> 00:02:20,723 of Extra Strength Tylenol. 52 00:02:20,793 --> 00:02:22,655 - Do not take Tylenol until further notice. 53 00:02:22,723 --> 00:02:24,378 - Cyanide is so deadly, 54 00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:26,793 an amount the size of a pea can kill you. 55 00:02:26,861 --> 00:02:28,413 - This was a stone cold mystery, 56 00:02:28,481 --> 00:02:29,826 and people had died. 57 00:02:29,896 --> 00:02:31,496 And many of them were in the same family. 58 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,896 - I just knew something was wrong. 59 00:02:34,965 --> 00:02:36,586 - Paula was murdered. 60 00:02:36,655 --> 00:02:39,000 She was just murdered. 61 00:02:39,067 --> 00:02:40,389 - We know that there's somebody out there 62 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:42,137 trying to poison people. 63 00:02:42,206 --> 00:02:44,516 - How could he pull off the crime of the century 64 00:02:44,586 --> 00:02:46,448 perfectly and not get caught? 65 00:02:46,516 --> 00:02:48,586 - We're actively pursuing this investigation. 66 00:02:48,655 --> 00:02:50,378 This is not collecting dust on a shelf. 67 00:02:50,448 --> 00:02:51,688 - This could be our guy. 68 00:02:51,758 --> 00:02:53,413 Do you think you know who did it? 69 00:02:53,481 --> 00:02:55,171 - Yes. 70 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,413 - You're going to let a murderer just go? 71 00:02:58,896 --> 00:02:59,896 - Hi. 72 00:03:16,896 --> 00:03:21,413 - Mr. Lewis, I'm Brad. 73 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:24,205 I'm reporting on the Tylenol murders. 74 00:03:24,275 --> 00:03:27,586 I named our pursuit Painkiller. 75 00:03:27,655 --> 00:03:30,758 Are you the Painkiller? 76 00:03:30,826 --> 00:03:33,206 Did you lace little pills with poison, 77 00:03:33,275 --> 00:03:38,171 propagating murder and nationwide panic in 1982? 78 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,586 And was it all because your heart was broken 79 00:03:41,655 --> 00:03:44,481 over your little girls? 80 00:03:59,343 --> 00:04:00,516 - Stand by for the open 81 00:04:00,586 --> 00:04:04,516 in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 82 00:04:04,586 --> 00:04:07,171 - Major developments in the now 40-year-long 83 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,310 investigation into the Tylenol murders. 84 00:04:09,378 --> 00:04:11,758 - Seven people were murdered when someone put cyanide 85 00:04:11,826 --> 00:04:14,033 in that painkiller and then put those pills 86 00:04:14,103 --> 00:04:15,550 back on store shelves. 87 00:04:15,620 --> 00:04:17,586 - Today we learned investigators went to Boston 88 00:04:17,653 --> 00:04:19,586 this week to re-interview the man 89 00:04:19,653 --> 00:04:21,516 considered the prime suspect. 90 00:04:21,586 --> 00:04:24,896 CBS2 investigator Brad Edwards live at O'Hare Airport for us 91 00:04:24,964 --> 00:04:26,630 tonight to talk more about what we've learned. 92 00:04:26,654 --> 00:04:27,896 Brad? 93 00:04:27,964 --> 00:04:29,245 - Yeah, Joe, good evening to you. 94 00:04:29,274 --> 00:04:31,964 We went to Boston as well in June. 95 00:04:32,033 --> 00:04:34,413 We were looking for James Lewis, 96 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:35,516 and we found him. 97 00:04:35,586 --> 00:04:37,206 Two plus weeks ago, we showed 98 00:04:37,274 --> 00:04:40,103 our entire exchange to Arlington Heights Police. 99 00:04:40,172 --> 00:04:43,067 At the end, they asked for a copy of that interview. 100 00:04:43,137 --> 00:04:45,481 We're now going to hop a flight to Boston 101 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:49,137 to see what we can shake loose in these latest developments. 102 00:04:57,586 --> 00:05:01,343 Boston to the boondocks, thousands of miles, 103 00:05:01,413 --> 00:05:04,000 many months to discover 104 00:05:04,067 --> 00:05:07,000 the Chicago Tylenol murders in 1982 105 00:05:07,067 --> 00:05:09,000 some say should have never happened. 106 00:05:09,067 --> 00:05:11,689 The prime suspect should have been stopped 107 00:05:11,757 --> 00:05:15,379 four years earlier in 1978 108 00:05:15,447 --> 00:05:19,516 with a torso in an attic in Kansas City. 109 00:05:25,516 --> 00:05:28,240 - I am James Bell, 110 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:32,689 former Jackson County Assistant Prosecutor. 111 00:05:32,757 --> 00:05:34,723 Accept no imitations. 112 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:39,930 - I was going to be a journalism major. 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,137 They required a foreign language, 114 00:05:42,206 --> 00:05:45,586 and I unfortunately chose French. 115 00:05:45,654 --> 00:05:50,965 Never got the hang of it, so ended up 116 00:05:51,033 --> 00:05:54,447 having to do two tours in Vietnam because of that. 117 00:05:54,516 --> 00:05:57,240 Had I not gone to Vietnam, 118 00:05:57,310 --> 00:05:59,343 I wouldn't have gotten the GI Bill. 119 00:05:59,413 --> 00:06:01,654 Had I not gotten the GI Bill, 120 00:06:01,723 --> 00:06:03,964 I wouldn't have gone to law school. 121 00:06:04,033 --> 00:06:06,137 Had I not gone to law school, 122 00:06:06,206 --> 00:06:08,310 I wouldn't be here talking to you about Jim Lewis. 123 00:06:21,447 --> 00:06:24,516 - Seven people were dead because someone 124 00:06:24,586 --> 00:06:27,757 had laced capsules of Extra Strength Tylenol with cyanide. 125 00:06:29,896 --> 00:06:33,862 - A 15-agency task force was formed. 126 00:06:33,930 --> 00:06:36,000 - Do not take Tylenol until further notice. 127 00:06:36,067 --> 00:06:38,172 - There was no more sophisticated 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,793 law enforcement apparatus at the time 129 00:06:40,862 --> 00:06:43,103 than the task force in Chicago. 130 00:06:43,172 --> 00:06:44,769 And they didn't know if they were looking for 131 00:06:44,793 --> 00:06:46,689 a guy named Lewis, a guy named Wilson, 132 00:06:46,757 --> 00:06:48,379 a guy named Richardson. 133 00:06:48,447 --> 00:06:51,137 - We have a nationwide search for a picture 134 00:06:51,206 --> 00:06:53,723 of a person who identifies himself 135 00:06:53,793 --> 00:06:56,206 at one time as James E. Lewis. 136 00:06:56,274 --> 00:06:59,000 - Or Theodore Elmer Wilson, as he is also known. 137 00:06:59,067 --> 00:07:03,137 David E. Woods, 138 00:07:03,206 --> 00:07:06,620 John Ryan, Robert Myers, Raymond Thompson, 139 00:07:06,689 --> 00:07:08,793 and Robert R. Johnson. 140 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:11,689 - Do you feel that a legitimate identification 141 00:07:11,757 --> 00:07:13,000 has been made in this case? 142 00:07:13,067 --> 00:07:15,103 Lewis Richardson, whatever his name is? 143 00:07:16,654 --> 00:07:21,033 - Oh, let me make sure my phone is off. 144 00:07:22,826 --> 00:07:24,550 - I'm going to show you the old video. 145 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:25,550 - Oh, you've got it? 146 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:28,826 - It's 1982, CBS Chicago. 147 00:07:28,896 --> 00:07:30,826 This is how I discovered you. 148 00:07:30,896 --> 00:07:33,550 - It was here in Kansas City that police 149 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:36,793 made the connection that has resulted in the hottest lead 150 00:07:36,862 --> 00:07:39,620 so far in the Tylenol cyanide case. 151 00:07:39,689 --> 00:07:41,206 - I've never seen this. 152 00:07:41,274 --> 00:07:42,757 The tax man, Mr. Lewis... 153 00:07:42,826 --> 00:07:44,654 Had that mustache for quite a while 154 00:07:44,723 --> 00:07:46,620 and wore contacts for quite a while. 155 00:07:46,689 --> 00:07:48,699 - Because of the evidence, a Kansas City police sergeant 156 00:07:48,723 --> 00:07:50,723 saw the picture on TV and recognized 157 00:07:50,793 --> 00:07:52,447 the man as James Lewis. 158 00:07:52,516 --> 00:07:54,413 - I was laying on the couch tired as hell. 159 00:07:54,481 --> 00:07:55,757 I remember that. 160 00:07:55,826 --> 00:07:57,757 And my little kids were in the room with me. 161 00:07:57,826 --> 00:08:01,172 We were watching the news, CBS, Dan Rather. 162 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,793 - Good evening. 163 00:08:02,862 --> 00:08:04,896 This is the CBS Evening News, Dan Rather reporting. 164 00:08:04,964 --> 00:08:07,379 - And they were doing a news story on the... 165 00:08:07,447 --> 00:08:09,206 - Seven deaths linked to poisoned 166 00:08:09,274 --> 00:08:11,000 Extra Strength Tylenol capsules. 167 00:08:11,067 --> 00:08:14,586 - And they flashed a picture of a suspect. 168 00:08:14,654 --> 00:08:17,757 - Investigators also said they are seeking these people, 169 00:08:17,826 --> 00:08:19,516 Robert and Nancy Richardson. 170 00:08:19,586 --> 00:08:23,103 - My daughter relates it to me that she remembers it vividly. 171 00:08:23,172 --> 00:08:26,930 I jumped off the couch, said that's damn James Lewis, 172 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,137 and then I went upstairs, picked up the phone, 173 00:08:29,206 --> 00:08:30,620 and made some phone calls. 174 00:08:30,689 --> 00:08:32,240 And my daughter says, you left 175 00:08:32,308 --> 00:08:33,860 and didn't come back for two weeks. 176 00:08:33,931 --> 00:08:36,447 I wanted to immediately let 177 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:38,413 Chicago people know who they had. 178 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:56,102 - This is the only remnants of a criminal case file 179 00:08:56,172 --> 00:09:01,240 that I've kept since I was in the prosecutor's office 180 00:09:01,309 --> 00:09:03,895 1978 through '81. 181 00:09:03,965 --> 00:09:07,274 James Lewis, 182 00:09:07,344 --> 00:09:10,033 Raymond West, 183 00:09:10,102 --> 00:09:12,309 Homicide. 184 00:09:12,379 --> 00:09:16,172 - In 1978, I was a detective assigned to the homicide unit, 185 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,344 Kansas City, Missouri, Police Department. 186 00:09:19,724 --> 00:09:21,182 My involvement in the Raymond West case 187 00:09:21,206 --> 00:09:26,274 started when a body was found in the attic of a house. 188 00:09:26,344 --> 00:09:28,688 - This was the scene in Kansas City when police 189 00:09:28,758 --> 00:09:31,931 found the dismembered body of 72-year-old Raymond West, 190 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,447 a friend of James Lewis. 191 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:40,447 - I was asked to organize this case after all the evidence 192 00:09:40,517 --> 00:09:43,136 had been collected and trying to put it in some sort 193 00:09:43,206 --> 00:09:44,620 of chronological order. 194 00:09:48,067 --> 00:09:52,102 - On July 25, 1978, 195 00:09:52,172 --> 00:09:56,344 a Charles P. Banker reported to the Missing Persons Unit 196 00:09:56,413 --> 00:09:59,793 that a close friend of his, Raymond West, 197 00:09:59,861 --> 00:10:04,206 was missing from his residence at 4812 Campbell 198 00:10:04,274 --> 00:10:07,379 and had not been seen since two days prior. 199 00:10:07,447 --> 00:10:11,826 Mr. Banker then found a taped note on the front door, 200 00:10:11,895 --> 00:10:16,206 which read, "Mr. West has gone to the Ozarks," 201 00:10:16,274 --> 00:10:18,758 signed James Lewis. 202 00:10:18,826 --> 00:10:21,274 When the police arrived, Mr. Banker told them 203 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:25,102 about James Lewis, Mr. West's tax man. 204 00:10:28,413 --> 00:10:31,102 - The house was locked up, which was very unusual. 205 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:32,931 There was a padlock on the front door 206 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,206 as opposed to just a door lock. 207 00:10:35,274 --> 00:10:39,517 - Mr. Banker then stated James Lewis arrived, 208 00:10:39,586 --> 00:10:42,517 ran up to the front porch, asking, 209 00:10:42,586 --> 00:10:44,240 what the hell are you doing? 210 00:10:44,309 --> 00:10:45,517 Mr. Banker said that 211 00:10:45,586 --> 00:10:48,517 James Lewis picked up a hammer. 212 00:10:48,586 --> 00:10:52,136 Mr. Banker said James Lewis eventually calmed down, 213 00:10:52,206 --> 00:10:57,000 got into his brown station wagon and left. 214 00:10:57,067 --> 00:10:59,379 Mr. Banker then drove to the bank 215 00:10:59,447 --> 00:11:02,724 to see if Mr. West had withdrawn 216 00:11:02,793 --> 00:11:04,793 any money from his account. 217 00:11:04,861 --> 00:11:07,724 The bank vice president said the bank 218 00:11:07,793 --> 00:11:14,274 just received a check made out to James Lewis for $5,000. 219 00:11:14,344 --> 00:11:16,206 The check was returned because they felt 220 00:11:16,274 --> 00:11:18,274 the check was a forgery. 221 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,033 Mr. Banker returned to the residence 222 00:11:30,102 --> 00:11:34,172 at 4812 Campbell and smelled a foul odor. 223 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,344 He then called the police. 224 00:11:39,206 --> 00:11:42,102 In the attic was found a highly decomposed 225 00:11:42,172 --> 00:11:45,654 body of a white male, later identified 226 00:11:45,724 --> 00:11:48,309 as being Raymond West. 227 00:11:48,379 --> 00:11:50,206 Both legs had been severed 228 00:11:50,274 --> 00:11:52,102 from the torso at the hip joints. 229 00:11:52,172 --> 00:11:55,517 - It was mummified and decomposed. 230 00:11:56,965 --> 00:11:59,413 We're talking about middle of August 231 00:11:59,481 --> 00:12:00,826 in Kansas City. 232 00:12:00,895 --> 00:12:02,136 It gets very, very hot. 233 00:12:05,793 --> 00:12:09,274 - How somebody's body can be up there 234 00:12:09,344 --> 00:12:13,758 in 130, 140 degree heat, if not hotter, 235 00:12:13,826 --> 00:12:18,274 in July and August and not see the stains, 236 00:12:18,344 --> 00:12:24,793 not smell the decomposition for a month, 237 00:12:24,861 --> 00:12:28,965 why did they never, ever go to the basement... 238 00:12:33,067 --> 00:12:38,344 Where the lawn chair that Raymond had in his stereo room 239 00:12:38,413 --> 00:12:40,274 now has blood all over it? 240 00:12:43,654 --> 00:12:47,793 If you're searching the house for Raymond West, 241 00:12:47,861 --> 00:12:50,688 why don't you go to the goddamn basement 242 00:12:50,758 --> 00:12:53,309 and see if he's down there? 243 00:12:55,447 --> 00:12:57,861 - Take me there. 244 00:13:03,274 --> 00:13:05,102 - And he got away with it. 245 00:13:17,724 --> 00:13:20,826 - So we are looking for the home of Raymond West, 246 00:13:20,895 --> 00:13:24,620 murder victim, 247 00:13:24,688 --> 00:13:26,758 4812 Campbell. 248 00:13:26,826 --> 00:13:28,274 Here's Campbell right here. 249 00:13:28,344 --> 00:13:31,102 Here's Campbell, 250 00:13:31,172 --> 00:13:34,413 4812 Campbell. 251 00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:36,551 If we find the home... 252 00:13:39,344 --> 00:13:41,067 We'll go up to it, knock, knock. 253 00:13:41,136 --> 00:13:42,413 Hi, I'm Brad. 254 00:13:42,481 --> 00:13:46,033 Can me and my crew... 255 00:13:46,102 --> 00:13:48,965 get a shot of your crawl space? 256 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:54,654 There was once a human torso in it. 257 00:14:02,861 --> 00:14:08,447 - Beside the access door was a triple pulley game hoist. 258 00:14:08,517 --> 00:14:12,620 - A game hoist was used to haul the body up into the attic. 259 00:14:12,688 --> 00:14:16,861 We lifted fingerprints from that game hoist. 260 00:14:16,931 --> 00:14:19,067 They were faint. 261 00:14:19,136 --> 00:14:22,481 Our examiner said no identifiable prints, 262 00:14:22,551 --> 00:14:25,758 but we retained the lift as part of evidence. 263 00:14:28,481 --> 00:14:30,481 - Do you remember anything about the hoist? 264 00:14:30,551 --> 00:14:31,688 - No. 265 00:14:31,758 --> 00:14:34,447 What I remember are the ropes. 266 00:14:37,654 --> 00:14:40,344 The signature was that the same slipknot 267 00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:42,309 that was used to tie the body up 268 00:14:42,379 --> 00:14:44,654 was found on the trunk of James Lewis's car. 269 00:14:44,724 --> 00:14:46,379 I know my way around knots. 270 00:14:46,447 --> 00:14:48,274 I was in the Navy, and I was a sailor. 271 00:14:48,344 --> 00:14:52,724 And this was not a run-of-the-mill knot. 272 00:14:52,793 --> 00:14:56,447 This is a knot that required a little bit of know-how 273 00:14:56,517 --> 00:15:00,481 on how to tie knots and that here we had 274 00:15:00,551 --> 00:15:04,172 a sophisticated knot used 275 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,309 to tie up Raymond West's body. 276 00:15:07,379 --> 00:15:09,620 And that same knot is found in the trunk 277 00:15:09,688 --> 00:15:11,758 of James Lewis's car. 278 00:15:14,206 --> 00:15:17,586 As I was preparing for 279 00:15:17,654 --> 00:15:21,067 the trial of the case, 280 00:15:21,136 --> 00:15:23,206 I went to the crime lab, 281 00:15:23,274 --> 00:15:28,861 and I opened up those bags of rope 282 00:15:28,931 --> 00:15:31,240 that included the slipknots 283 00:15:31,309 --> 00:15:35,826 that tied Raymond West's legs and torso up. 284 00:15:35,895 --> 00:15:42,517 And the stench that I got 285 00:15:42,586 --> 00:15:48,517 on my fingers stayed for days. 286 00:15:48,586 --> 00:15:50,102 You couldn't wash it off. 287 00:15:50,172 --> 00:15:53,344 It was just so god-awful. 288 00:15:54,931 --> 00:15:58,517 Curl your hair. 289 00:16:21,586 --> 00:16:25,067 - Why was the case eventually kicked? 290 00:16:25,136 --> 00:16:28,240 - Stuff in the car... 291 00:16:28,309 --> 00:16:31,724 no Miranda warning, it doesn't come in. 292 00:16:31,793 --> 00:16:33,240 - That case had been thrown out 293 00:16:33,309 --> 00:16:34,826 for insufficient medical evidence 294 00:16:34,895 --> 00:16:36,861 and improper police procedures. 295 00:16:41,551 --> 00:16:44,724 - He had a couple remarkable attorneys, didn't he? 296 00:16:44,793 --> 00:16:45,826 - He did. 297 00:16:45,895 --> 00:16:48,102 Albert Riederer and Russ Millin. 298 00:16:48,172 --> 00:16:49,517 Albert later became 299 00:16:49,586 --> 00:16:52,309 the Jackson County Prosecuting Attorney. 300 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:55,793 Russ Millin was a former U.S. Attorney. 301 00:16:55,861 --> 00:16:58,895 - How in the hell did James Lewis get such attorneys? 302 00:17:00,724 --> 00:17:04,722 - Uh, that's an interesting question. 303 00:17:04,791 --> 00:17:07,791 James Lewis, from information I've gathered, 304 00:17:07,862 --> 00:17:10,586 was active in Democratic politics. 305 00:17:11,586 --> 00:17:15,103 James Lewis had done some fundraisers. 306 00:17:15,172 --> 00:17:17,413 That's the best connection 307 00:17:17,481 --> 00:17:20,791 I've been able to make is politics. 308 00:17:20,862 --> 00:17:25,309 I'll have this criminal case in my file drawer 309 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:27,722 till the day I die. 310 00:17:37,309 --> 00:17:40,586 - 4812 Campbell. 311 00:17:42,964 --> 00:17:44,136 Where are you at? 312 00:17:47,481 --> 00:17:51,378 Where I think the 4800 block would be, it's a park. 313 00:17:52,895 --> 00:17:54,862 Where the hell are you? 314 00:18:02,067 --> 00:18:03,481 What's going on? 315 00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,067 - Hey, so I just got off the phone 316 00:18:05,136 --> 00:18:06,413 with the zoning department, 317 00:18:06,481 --> 00:18:08,481 and the place no longer exists. 318 00:18:08,550 --> 00:18:10,792 Now it's Kauffman Legacy Park. 319 00:18:10,862 --> 00:18:12,586 - Oh, shit. 320 00:18:17,103 --> 00:18:19,344 This is where it is. 321 00:18:19,413 --> 00:18:22,758 So the deeds office says 322 00:18:22,826 --> 00:18:27,723 Raymond West's house was demolished. 323 00:18:27,792 --> 00:18:30,723 I think it's about right here, right? 324 00:18:30,792 --> 00:18:36,344 Where he ended up a torso in his own crawl space, 325 00:18:36,413 --> 00:18:38,517 now a pretty park. 326 00:18:44,309 --> 00:18:46,619 - He is 37-year-old James Lewis, 327 00:18:46,689 --> 00:18:48,758 the man convicted of writing the notorious 328 00:18:48,826 --> 00:18:50,550 Tylenol extortion letter. 329 00:18:50,619 --> 00:18:52,309 - Did you feel then that you were on trial 330 00:18:52,378 --> 00:18:53,309 for the Tylenol murders? 331 00:18:53,378 --> 00:18:54,758 - I did. 332 00:18:54,826 --> 00:18:56,517 - Did you commit the Tylenol murders? 333 00:18:56,586 --> 00:18:57,862 - I did not. 334 00:18:57,931 --> 00:18:59,895 - What do you want to say to the people of Chicago 335 00:18:59,964 --> 00:19:02,275 and to the country, for that matter? 336 00:19:03,481 --> 00:19:05,619 How should they look upon James Lewis? 337 00:19:05,689 --> 00:19:08,103 How should they view you today? 338 00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:11,344 - I think that is something that you're going to 339 00:19:11,413 --> 00:19:13,654 have to take a while to look at. 340 00:19:18,481 --> 00:19:19,586 - These are the case files. 341 00:19:19,654 --> 00:19:20,862 - Yep. 342 00:19:24,758 --> 00:19:29,586 United States of America versus James W. Lewis. 343 00:19:29,654 --> 00:19:31,826 Mr. Lewis argued that he intended 344 00:19:31,895 --> 00:19:35,723 to spur the investigation into a former employer 345 00:19:35,792 --> 00:19:38,586 of Mr. Lewis's wife. 346 00:19:39,895 --> 00:19:42,172 All right, here it is. 347 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,689 It's addressed to Johnson & Johnson, 348 00:19:44,758 --> 00:19:47,689 parent of McNeil Laboratories. 349 00:19:47,758 --> 00:19:52,619 "Gentlemen," it says, "As you can see, 350 00:19:52,689 --> 00:19:57,723 "it is easy to place cyanide, both potassium and sodium, 351 00:19:57,792 --> 00:20:00,689 "into capsules sitting on store shelves... 352 00:20:00,758 --> 00:20:02,964 "To get buyers to swallow the bitter pill... 353 00:20:03,034 --> 00:20:04,619 "Take countermeasures... 354 00:20:04,689 --> 00:20:07,000 "Don't mind the publicity of these little capsules... 355 00:20:07,067 --> 00:20:09,619 "If you want to stop the killing, 356 00:20:09,689 --> 00:20:12,136 then wire $1 million." 357 00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:19,067 - Can you imagine trying to tell your wife that, 358 00:20:19,136 --> 00:20:23,240 "Honey, I... I wrote a letter"? 359 00:20:23,309 --> 00:20:24,550 Uh... 360 00:20:24,619 --> 00:20:26,586 "Oh, yeah?" 361 00:20:26,654 --> 00:20:29,826 Well, there's something else I need to tell you. 362 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:32,344 They're talking about it in the radio and on TV. 363 00:20:35,619 --> 00:20:40,862 - One more, James Lewis, 364 00:20:40,931 --> 00:20:44,792 orphaned, adopted. 365 00:20:44,862 --> 00:20:50,309 Wow, he tried to kill his parents in June of '66 366 00:20:50,378 --> 00:20:56,378 in Carl Junction, Missouri. 367 00:21:05,413 --> 00:21:08,448 I'm just going to walk up. 368 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:11,309 Ever heard of a last name Lewis around here? 369 00:21:11,378 --> 00:21:12,309 - Nope. 370 00:21:12,378 --> 00:21:14,240 - No? 371 00:21:14,309 --> 00:21:15,240 We're from out of town. 372 00:21:15,309 --> 00:21:16,654 We're shooting a documentary. 373 00:21:16,723 --> 00:21:18,172 - Oh. 374 00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:20,931 Do you know the last name Lewis? 375 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,309 - Lewis? - Yeah. 376 00:21:22,378 --> 00:21:24,481 - You remember the name Lewis? 377 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:26,931 - I just told you that three goddamn times. 378 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,344 They used to live down there. 379 00:21:31,862 --> 00:21:35,205 - Well, this is the address we had. 380 00:21:35,275 --> 00:21:37,758 Nice lady just told me the Lewises 381 00:21:37,826 --> 00:21:41,758 did indeed used to live here. 382 00:21:46,275 --> 00:21:49,413 - Carl Junction, Missouri, is about 150 miles 383 00:21:49,481 --> 00:21:50,964 south of Kansas City. 384 00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,481 It is the place where James Lewis grew up 385 00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:56,034 and a place where he is remembered. 386 00:21:56,103 --> 00:21:57,689 - The student is a bit unusual, 387 00:21:57,758 --> 00:22:00,931 one that has problems with other students, 388 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,931 has personal problems, family problems at home. 389 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,205 And I think James probably had all of these. 390 00:22:11,689 --> 00:22:17,000 - Here we are, Carl Junction High School. 391 00:22:18,758 --> 00:22:23,172 All right, 1964. 392 00:22:27,103 --> 00:22:32,136 Fourth row... one, two, three, four. 393 00:22:35,136 --> 00:22:39,448 That is James Lewis, FTA, 394 00:22:39,517 --> 00:22:42,275 Future Teachers of America. 395 00:22:43,689 --> 00:22:46,000 - Mm-hmm, we tracked him down. 396 00:22:50,758 --> 00:22:52,136 - No. 397 00:22:52,964 --> 00:22:55,448 - He is remembered in family photographs, 398 00:22:55,517 --> 00:22:58,034 the adopted child of a churchgoing farm couple 399 00:22:58,103 --> 00:22:59,862 who gave him the name Jim Lewis. 400 00:22:59,931 --> 00:23:02,067 Relatives who would not appear on camera 401 00:23:02,136 --> 00:23:03,723 described him as a troubled boy 402 00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,517 with a history of family violence. 403 00:23:05,586 --> 00:23:08,550 This picture shows Lewis at the state mental hospital 404 00:23:08,619 --> 00:23:11,654 where he was voluntarily committed in 1966 405 00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,586 after attacking his adopted mother with an ax. 406 00:23:19,550 --> 00:23:22,309 - Nevada, Missouri. 407 00:23:26,964 --> 00:23:29,862 This is where James Lewis spent time, 408 00:23:29,931 --> 00:23:32,517 the now shuttered state hospital. 409 00:23:32,586 --> 00:23:34,792 A sign once hung here, 410 00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:38,586 "Lunatic Asylum Number 3." 411 00:23:53,619 --> 00:23:55,964 Have you ever seen these people? 412 00:23:56,034 --> 00:23:58,136 We're just fiddle-faddling around, 413 00:23:58,205 --> 00:23:59,826 out of town doing a story. 414 00:23:59,895 --> 00:24:01,481 - Sure. - Okay. 415 00:24:01,550 --> 00:24:04,826 I'm sitting in a car outside the Lewis's apartment 416 00:24:04,895 --> 00:24:07,172 right now in Cambridge. 417 00:24:12,205 --> 00:24:14,517 - The number you've dialed is not in service. 418 00:24:18,448 --> 00:24:19,792 - Damn it. 419 00:24:25,689 --> 00:24:29,619 What was the name of that, Cambridge Community Television? 420 00:24:29,689 --> 00:24:32,586 - Welcome to the Cambridge Rag, and I have today Jim Lewis. 421 00:24:32,654 --> 00:24:34,758 Hi, Jim. How are you? 422 00:24:34,826 --> 00:24:38,309 Jim, uh... Jim, I've been your nemesis for a couple of years, 423 00:24:38,378 --> 00:24:39,964 and you're finally on my show. 424 00:24:40,034 --> 00:24:42,205 - Shame on you. - I know, shame on me. 425 00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:45,344 - I just heard back from Roger Nicholson. 426 00:24:45,413 --> 00:24:47,550 "No shit." 427 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,517 "Can you call me?" 428 00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:03,172 This is Brad. 429 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,931 - Hello, this is Roger. 430 00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:08,492 - I need to ask you on the record, 431 00:25:08,517 --> 00:25:10,413 can we record this interview? 432 00:25:10,481 --> 00:25:13,172 - Yes, but here's the deal. You have to know this. 433 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,758 If I look like a rat bastard just ratting him out 434 00:25:15,826 --> 00:25:18,964 to people, he'll stop talking to me. 435 00:25:19,034 --> 00:25:24,000 - Were you the last person he ever talked to officially? 436 00:25:24,067 --> 00:25:25,964 - I think so. 437 00:25:26,034 --> 00:25:28,413 You were eyed as the prime suspect 438 00:25:28,481 --> 00:25:33,413 in the Tylenol poisonings in 1982. 439 00:25:33,481 --> 00:25:34,619 '82, right? 440 00:25:34,689 --> 00:25:35,964 - That's what I've heard. 441 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,723 - I think he, on some level, 442 00:25:37,792 --> 00:25:39,792 likes it that I challenge him. 443 00:25:39,862 --> 00:25:42,136 He's also super smart, 444 00:25:42,205 --> 00:25:45,792 and I find his intelligence fascinating. 445 00:25:45,862 --> 00:25:49,309 If Jeopardy ever held a mass murder 446 00:25:49,378 --> 00:25:52,723 serial killer championship game, he would win. 447 00:25:52,792 --> 00:25:55,931 He would beat all the other serial killer mass murderers. 448 00:25:58,413 --> 00:26:00,723 - Hi, I'm wanting to talk to the man 449 00:26:00,792 --> 00:26:03,378 that's there tonight about his book. 450 00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:04,723 - Oh, excellent. 451 00:26:04,792 --> 00:26:07,136 Uh, this is Jim Lewis, and he wrote a book 452 00:26:07,205 --> 00:26:09,619 called "Poison! A Doctor's Dilemma." 453 00:26:12,792 --> 00:26:17,103 - The last time Lewis did an interview, 454 00:26:17,172 --> 00:26:19,448 he was promoting his own book. 455 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:23,205 Lewis self-describes it as a chilling thriller 456 00:26:23,275 --> 00:26:25,723 about a modern Midwestern city. 457 00:26:25,792 --> 00:26:28,550 Poisoned, pure hell on Earth. 458 00:26:30,413 --> 00:26:32,654 And on page 184, 459 00:26:32,723 --> 00:26:36,205 he randomly writes about the Tylenol murders. 460 00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:41,931 - Decades before Lewis was a published author, 461 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,586 he fancied himself a writer. 462 00:26:46,136 --> 00:26:47,862 - Lewis was convicted only of writing 463 00:26:47,931 --> 00:26:49,895 an extortion letter to Johnson & Johnson, 464 00:26:49,964 --> 00:26:51,205 the makers of the painkiller. 465 00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:52,826 Lewis, acting as his own attorney, 466 00:26:52,895 --> 00:26:54,689 launched into an hourlong rambling... 467 00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:57,413 - Rambling statement, 468 00:26:57,481 --> 00:27:01,205 compared his manuals, his interests, 469 00:27:01,275 --> 00:27:03,723 then himself to Agatha Christie, 470 00:27:03,792 --> 00:27:05,481 the famed novelist, 471 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:07,240 the queen of crime. 472 00:27:10,517 --> 00:27:13,758 Poison played a role in nearly 30 of her works. 473 00:27:13,826 --> 00:27:17,103 Christie, in maybe her finest book, 474 00:27:17,172 --> 00:27:20,448 writes it as the character Dr. Sheppard. 475 00:27:20,517 --> 00:27:21,758 He's the killer. 476 00:27:21,826 --> 00:27:23,758 He used Veronal. 477 00:27:23,826 --> 00:27:25,275 That's a bitter pill. 478 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,895 Money. 479 00:27:27,964 --> 00:27:32,964 Lewis also writes under another name, Robert Richardson, 480 00:27:33,034 --> 00:27:35,067 the killer, per the letter. 481 00:27:35,136 --> 00:27:39,205 Cyanide, also a bitter pill. 482 00:27:39,275 --> 00:27:42,619 Also money. 483 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,205 Do you think he killed these people? 484 00:27:58,275 --> 00:27:59,931 - I think he killed these people. 485 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,481 - What potentially inspired him to do this? 486 00:28:04,378 --> 00:28:07,136 - I think he wanted to make a million dollars, 487 00:28:07,205 --> 00:28:09,550 and I think he has some bug up his ass 488 00:28:09,619 --> 00:28:12,136 about Johnson & Johnson. 489 00:28:12,205 --> 00:28:16,034 And I think he wanted to get back at LeAnn's boss, 490 00:28:16,103 --> 00:28:18,067 who stiffed her out of her paycheck. 491 00:28:18,136 --> 00:28:19,931 In some way, he was trying to kill 492 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,517 three birds with one stone. 493 00:28:39,862 --> 00:28:42,862 - I was one of the agents assigned 494 00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:46,517 to the Tylenol murders in 1982. 495 00:28:46,586 --> 00:28:50,275 - When you start delving into Lewis's history... 496 00:28:50,344 --> 00:28:52,758 - Revenge. 497 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,067 He's into revenge. 498 00:28:58,964 --> 00:29:01,067 - It's thematic throughout his life. 499 00:29:01,136 --> 00:29:03,413 - That's correct. 500 00:29:05,654 --> 00:29:08,378 - New information has surfaced in New York City 501 00:29:08,448 --> 00:29:10,448 that raises still more questions about 502 00:29:10,517 --> 00:29:12,689 James and LeAnn Lewis's connection 503 00:29:12,758 --> 00:29:14,964 with the Tylenol murders in Chicago. 504 00:29:15,034 --> 00:29:17,275 While the Lewises lived in Kansas City, 505 00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:19,862 they had wanted to sue a hospital there 506 00:29:19,931 --> 00:29:22,378 after the death of their five-year-old daughter, 507 00:29:22,448 --> 00:29:23,931 Toni Ann. 508 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,481 The girl had Down syndrome and a heart condition, 509 00:29:26,550 --> 00:29:27,964 but there were reports 510 00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:30,000 that the Lewis's connected the death 511 00:29:30,067 --> 00:29:31,619 with hospital medication 512 00:29:31,689 --> 00:29:33,895 manufactured by Johnson & Johnson, 513 00:29:33,964 --> 00:29:35,344 the makers of Tylenol. 514 00:29:35,413 --> 00:29:38,000 Until now, there was no reason to believe 515 00:29:38,067 --> 00:29:40,550 that the Lewis's might still be carrying a grudge 516 00:29:40,619 --> 00:29:43,067 about their child's death. 517 00:29:53,034 --> 00:29:55,826 - Who is to blame for Toni Ann Lewis's death? 518 00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:58,103 - No one. 519 00:29:58,172 --> 00:30:01,172 - How many autopsies have you performed? 520 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,172 - Thousands in my career. 521 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,931 - How many autopsies have you reviewed? 522 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,309 - Thousands as well. 523 00:30:06,378 --> 00:30:09,654 - How many cases have you testified in? 524 00:30:09,723 --> 00:30:13,309 - Hundreds, if not low thousands. 525 00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:17,172 - Toni Ann Lewis died almost 50 years ago. 526 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,517 Her father, James Lewis, has been on a warpath... 527 00:30:22,931 --> 00:30:26,034 Against Johnson & Johnson. 528 00:30:26,103 --> 00:30:28,413 In your expert medical opinion, 529 00:30:28,481 --> 00:30:31,550 no Johnson & Johnson connection 530 00:30:31,619 --> 00:30:35,586 to the passing of Toni Ann Lewis. 531 00:30:35,654 --> 00:30:38,172 - None. 532 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,000 Toni Lewis's death was a complication 533 00:30:41,067 --> 00:30:44,067 of her underlying congenital heart disease 534 00:30:44,136 --> 00:30:45,895 from her Down syndrome. 535 00:30:45,964 --> 00:30:48,654 After the surgery, she had a weakness 536 00:30:48,723 --> 00:30:51,240 in the wall of her aorta, the big blood vessel 537 00:30:51,309 --> 00:30:54,067 that comes out of the heart, that ultimately burst. 538 00:30:54,136 --> 00:30:59,275 This was an uncommon but known complication 539 00:30:59,344 --> 00:31:00,826 of this type of surgery. 540 00:31:00,895 --> 00:31:03,550 - Our own reporting from years ago 541 00:31:03,619 --> 00:31:06,067 said maybe it was a hospital medication. 542 00:31:06,136 --> 00:31:09,034 Recent printed reports said 543 00:31:09,103 --> 00:31:12,723 it was a suture failure made by Johnson & Johnson. 544 00:31:12,792 --> 00:31:16,792 If the FBI was actually operating under the premise 545 00:31:16,862 --> 00:31:18,895 that there was a suture failure 546 00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:21,240 and that may have been the motive behind all this, 547 00:31:21,309 --> 00:31:22,895 what would you say to the FBI? 548 00:31:22,964 --> 00:31:25,448 - If the FBI thinks that, with all due respect, 549 00:31:25,517 --> 00:31:27,448 they are in error. 550 00:31:27,517 --> 00:31:30,309 - I'm going to want you to compare 551 00:31:30,378 --> 00:31:35,792 Toni Ann Lewis's autopsy to that of Raymond West. 552 00:31:35,862 --> 00:31:37,931 - The victim, 72-year-old Raymond West, 553 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,758 his body stuffed in a plastic bag 554 00:31:39,826 --> 00:31:41,586 and so badly decomposed 555 00:31:41,654 --> 00:31:44,275 that the coroner could not determine the cause of death. 556 00:31:53,136 --> 00:31:54,378 - Well, shit. 557 00:31:54,448 --> 00:31:56,826 Okay. 558 00:31:56,895 --> 00:31:58,448 The body was examined, 559 00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:02,000 and no specific body wounds could be determined. 560 00:32:02,067 --> 00:32:04,654 - But the detectives noted... 561 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:07,136 - Several large lacerations to the top and back... 562 00:32:07,205 --> 00:32:10,067 - Of the victim's head. - Yeah. 563 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:11,964 - Quote, "A specific cause of death 564 00:32:12,034 --> 00:32:14,240 was not found in this autopsy." 565 00:32:14,309 --> 00:32:16,550 - Who was the medical examiner? - Bonita Peterson. 566 00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:20,550 - What do you think of her work in the case? 567 00:32:20,619 --> 00:32:22,689 - Pathetic. 568 00:32:22,758 --> 00:32:24,619 - And she didn't find it a homicide. 569 00:32:24,689 --> 00:32:25,792 - No. 570 00:32:29,862 --> 00:32:31,826 - I certainly would have called this a homicide. 571 00:32:31,895 --> 00:32:34,034 - Raymond West. - Oh, yes. 572 00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:39,103 - So Jim Lewis goes over there, 573 00:32:39,172 --> 00:32:41,067 needs $5,000, 574 00:32:41,136 --> 00:32:45,689 sees that Raymond West has died from aspiration, 575 00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:50,758 and decides to cut up his body... 576 00:32:52,654 --> 00:32:56,758 And put a bullet hole in the bedroom wall 577 00:32:56,826 --> 00:33:01,586 and go out and buy a hoist... 578 00:33:01,654 --> 00:33:03,378 and put it all up in the attic. 579 00:33:05,481 --> 00:33:08,619 After Raymond had died from natural causes. 580 00:33:12,136 --> 00:33:16,067 - Like the old man aspirated and cut up himself? 581 00:33:16,136 --> 00:33:19,413 - That was going to be the defense's strongest argument, 582 00:33:19,481 --> 00:33:24,758 that we could not prove how Raymond West died. 583 00:33:26,931 --> 00:33:29,517 We were stuck with Bonita Peterson's 584 00:33:29,586 --> 00:33:31,550 medical examiner report. 585 00:33:34,792 --> 00:33:38,826 Just another one of the... 586 00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:40,103 - Sad. 587 00:33:40,172 --> 00:33:44,309 - Fuck-ups that plagued this case. 588 00:33:50,517 --> 00:33:53,205 - I left Homicide, went to this task force. 589 00:33:53,275 --> 00:33:56,689 And we met with the fraud unit, Kansas City Fraud Unit, 590 00:33:56,758 --> 00:34:00,826 who had this very interesting 591 00:34:00,895 --> 00:34:03,862 multiple victim fraud, 592 00:34:03,931 --> 00:34:06,895 which was identity theft and credit card fraud. 593 00:34:06,964 --> 00:34:09,585 The uniqueness of this case was, 594 00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,827 in certain parts of Kansas City, 595 00:34:11,896 --> 00:34:15,481 the mail was delivered by a mail carrier 596 00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:19,447 to rows of rural mailboxes. 597 00:34:19,516 --> 00:34:22,516 Every once in a while, he'd come to a row of mailboxes, 598 00:34:22,585 --> 00:34:24,619 and there'd be an extra mailbox at the end. 599 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:28,378 And it'd be standing alone on a pole 600 00:34:28,447 --> 00:34:31,309 with a big pot of concrete below it. 601 00:34:31,378 --> 00:34:35,172 And there'd be mail, all kinds of real mail. 602 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,619 But this mailbox just popped up. 603 00:34:37,688 --> 00:34:40,206 What are things in common with these people? 604 00:34:40,275 --> 00:34:42,757 And we'd go, where do they get their hair cut? 605 00:34:42,827 --> 00:34:44,251 Where do they go to the grocery store? 606 00:34:44,275 --> 00:34:47,172 Where do they wash their car... just everything. 607 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:50,137 Who does their taxes? And bang, who does their taxes? 608 00:34:50,206 --> 00:34:52,655 James Lewis. 609 00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:56,550 And we put up a stationary surveillance on that box. 610 00:34:56,619 --> 00:34:58,068 And over the radio... 611 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,068 I'm sitting doing other things in the office. 612 00:35:00,137 --> 00:35:01,757 Over the radio, I hear, he's here. 613 00:35:01,827 --> 00:35:02,896 He's picking up mail. 614 00:35:02,965 --> 00:35:04,378 And they started taking pictures. 615 00:35:04,447 --> 00:35:06,862 I said, God damn it. It's Jim Lewis again. 616 00:35:08,724 --> 00:35:12,309 So we blitzed over to Troost, his house. 617 00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:14,896 And there in the driveway was his station wagon 618 00:35:14,965 --> 00:35:17,034 with a mailbox sticking out of the back of it. 619 00:35:17,103 --> 00:35:19,516 We decided, let's go ahead and, you know, 620 00:35:19,585 --> 00:35:21,655 get a search warrant, see what we find in the house. 621 00:35:21,724 --> 00:35:24,275 We took pictures of a lot of the stuff 622 00:35:24,344 --> 00:35:27,344 we could not seize. 623 00:35:27,413 --> 00:35:30,896 - Was there any indication that he was researching poisoning? 624 00:35:30,965 --> 00:35:34,550 - I've heard that. 625 00:35:34,619 --> 00:35:35,980 - But you can't say whether or not. 626 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:37,827 - I can't, no. 627 00:35:39,724 --> 00:35:41,378 - Richard Shollenberger, 628 00:35:41,447 --> 00:35:44,447 the U.S. Postal Inspector at the time, 629 00:35:44,516 --> 00:35:46,413 kept these pictures 630 00:35:46,481 --> 00:35:51,206 from the mail fraud raid on Lewis's Kansas City home. 631 00:35:51,275 --> 00:35:54,862 Mr. Shollenberger says a book on poisons was found that day, 632 00:35:54,931 --> 00:35:58,619 and Lewis's fingerprints were found 633 00:35:58,688 --> 00:36:02,000 on a page detailing cyanide. 634 00:36:04,309 --> 00:36:07,447 - But once the search warrant was executed 635 00:36:07,516 --> 00:36:10,344 and the arrest warrants were obtained for mail fraud 636 00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:14,550 and for the land fraud, Lewis disappeared. 637 00:36:14,619 --> 00:36:17,068 - Vanished. - Vanished, he and LeAnn both. 638 00:36:17,137 --> 00:36:20,206 - Gone. - Gone, with their car. 639 00:36:20,275 --> 00:36:24,137 - In '78, you think you got him for murder and fraud. 640 00:36:24,206 --> 00:36:26,137 A couple of years later, you think you got him 641 00:36:26,206 --> 00:36:27,827 for a massive amount of fraud. 642 00:36:27,896 --> 00:36:29,309 And then boom, he's gone. 643 00:36:29,378 --> 00:36:31,344 - Sure enough, he popped up again. 644 00:36:31,413 --> 00:36:33,172 - Another strange twist tonight 645 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,068 in the investigation of those seven deaths 646 00:36:35,137 --> 00:36:37,481 from poisoned Extra Strength Tylenol capsules. 647 00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:38,965 - It was him. 648 00:36:39,034 --> 00:36:40,931 I mean, you know, it's a full face picture. 649 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,585 We were on an airplane three hours later 650 00:36:44,655 --> 00:36:46,896 with everything up to Chicago. 651 00:36:46,965 --> 00:36:48,688 - The Kansas City murder connection 652 00:36:48,757 --> 00:36:51,862 is what caused authorities in Chicago to take a second look 653 00:36:51,931 --> 00:36:54,378 at the extortion letter and begin forming 654 00:36:54,447 --> 00:36:56,724 a psychological profile of the man 655 00:36:56,793 --> 00:36:58,585 who may have written it. 656 00:36:58,655 --> 00:37:00,516 - They took another look at our evidence. 657 00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:04,172 - They took another look at a fingerprint you guys weren't... 658 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,965 - Able to identify. 659 00:37:07,034 --> 00:37:09,034 - And what did the FBI find? 660 00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:13,481 - That that fingerprint was a thumbprint of James Lewis. 661 00:37:15,481 --> 00:37:19,619 - And that thumbprint was on the hoist 662 00:37:19,688 --> 00:37:23,137 that hoisted the dead man's body 663 00:37:23,206 --> 00:37:25,550 into the attic and crawl space. 664 00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:28,896 - My detective was with the evidence in Washington 665 00:37:28,965 --> 00:37:32,275 when they discovered the fingerprint matched Lewis. 666 00:37:32,344 --> 00:37:34,757 - Couldn't you recharge him for murder then? 667 00:37:34,827 --> 00:37:38,068 - I think the case was resubmitted. 668 00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:44,516 - Why didn't that go anywhere? 669 00:37:44,585 --> 00:37:48,309 - Can't find the hoist. 670 00:37:48,378 --> 00:37:51,413 - You can't find the hoist. 671 00:37:51,481 --> 00:37:54,447 - That's what I was told. 672 00:37:54,516 --> 00:37:57,137 All I know is, when we came back from Chicago, 673 00:37:57,206 --> 00:37:59,275 we were in the chief's office. 674 00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:01,827 And the property room commander came up 675 00:38:01,896 --> 00:38:04,103 and had to tell the chief, I can't find it. 676 00:38:04,172 --> 00:38:07,172 Oh, yeah, it was a lot of yelling and screaming, yeah. 677 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,655 There's no doubt about that. 678 00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:13,000 It has bothered me for a long time. 679 00:38:13,068 --> 00:38:14,619 So... 680 00:38:23,965 --> 00:38:25,862 - Convicted extortionist James William Lewis, 681 00:38:25,931 --> 00:38:28,137 who tried to cash in on the Tylenol murders 682 00:38:28,206 --> 00:38:30,068 goes free today on parole. 683 00:38:30,137 --> 00:38:33,655 - After his release, Lewis settled in greater Boston 684 00:38:33,724 --> 00:38:36,965 and was connected to yet more crime. 685 00:38:37,034 --> 00:38:40,344 - In 2004, Lewis was charged with rape and kidnapping. 686 00:38:40,413 --> 00:38:41,862 That case was dropped. 687 00:39:02,724 --> 00:39:04,619 - What are the odds they'd talk to me? 688 00:39:04,688 --> 00:39:06,103 - I think it's zero. 689 00:39:06,172 --> 00:39:07,733 He doesn't... he's not going to talk to you. 690 00:39:07,757 --> 00:39:10,344 I mean, good luck, but he's not going to talk to you. 691 00:39:10,413 --> 00:39:12,447 You can try. 692 00:39:14,309 --> 00:39:16,655 - Oh, shit. 693 00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:18,550 Here we go. 694 00:39:25,688 --> 00:39:27,655 Lewis. 695 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:31,896 - Here we go. 696 00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:36,344 - Hi, Mr. Lewis? 697 00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:37,413 - No. 698 00:39:37,447 --> 00:39:38,728 - James Lewis, yeah, I'm Brad... 699 00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:39,724 - No. 700 00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,137 - Who are you? 701 00:39:42,206 --> 00:39:43,793 - Not James Lewis. 702 00:39:43,862 --> 00:39:45,389 - You look like James Lewis. - That's him. 703 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:46,757 - I'm Brad. 704 00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:49,688 I just am trying to get your side of the story. 705 00:39:49,757 --> 00:39:51,655 Can I give you my number? 706 00:39:51,724 --> 00:39:53,137 - No. 707 00:39:53,206 --> 00:39:55,010 - I mean, I'd like to at least give you my number. 708 00:39:55,034 --> 00:40:00,447 We are doing a large-scale documentary on this story, 709 00:40:00,516 --> 00:40:04,413 and we would really like to get your side of the story. 710 00:40:04,481 --> 00:40:06,309 And I honestly mean that... 711 00:40:06,378 --> 00:40:10,240 your side of the story, your truth. 712 00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:15,378 We need your truth for this story to happen. 713 00:40:15,447 --> 00:40:18,309 Again, my name is Brad Edwards. 714 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,034 I'm a reporter with CBS. 715 00:40:24,103 --> 00:40:27,172 I'm going to give you my cell number. 716 00:40:30,757 --> 00:40:34,724 I know it's been a long time since you've talked. 717 00:40:37,275 --> 00:40:39,688 We're here for a day. 718 00:40:39,757 --> 00:40:42,931 That's it. 719 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,447 One day. 720 00:40:44,516 --> 00:40:45,688 - What's the T-shirt? 721 00:40:45,757 --> 00:40:47,688 - And we need... 722 00:40:47,757 --> 00:40:51,896 Jim, we need your side of the story. 723 00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:55,137 - Well, I'm not Jim. 724 00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:57,655 Can you give that to LeAnn? 725 00:40:57,724 --> 00:40:59,275 - Who? 726 00:40:59,344 --> 00:41:01,447 - LeAnn Lewis? 727 00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:04,527 - Please get out of the building. 728 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:06,137 - You have my number. 729 00:41:06,206 --> 00:41:08,034 - Close the door. 730 00:41:13,585 --> 00:41:15,793 - He's a sly one. 731 00:41:15,862 --> 00:41:18,793 - Sly. - Sly. 732 00:41:18,862 --> 00:41:20,619 - He opened the door. 733 00:41:20,688 --> 00:41:22,481 He opened the door. 734 00:41:24,481 --> 00:41:26,585 So hopefully he'll talk. 735 00:41:26,655 --> 00:41:29,862 - You know, it's possible you might get a phone call. 736 00:41:29,931 --> 00:41:32,309 - He's torn... 737 00:41:32,378 --> 00:41:36,344 between not wanting to get in trouble and talk to you. 738 00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:37,619 But the other thing is, 739 00:41:37,688 --> 00:41:40,309 is you're paying attention to him. 740 00:41:40,378 --> 00:41:43,413 - He wouldn't admit that he's James Lewis. 741 00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:44,585 - No kidding. 742 00:41:44,655 --> 00:41:45,757 You were obviously there. 743 00:41:45,827 --> 00:41:47,516 You knew who he was, for God's sakes. 744 00:41:47,585 --> 00:41:49,034 But I'm very surprised, though, 745 00:41:49,103 --> 00:41:50,699 that you came all the way out there from Chicago, 746 00:41:50,724 --> 00:41:52,000 and he knew right away 747 00:41:52,068 --> 00:41:54,931 that you knew that he was Lewis, for Christ's sake. 748 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,275 - To deny who you are, that's kind of strange. 749 00:41:57,344 --> 00:41:58,965 - And he stood there. 750 00:41:59,034 --> 00:42:01,206 - Yeah, that is odd. 751 00:42:01,275 --> 00:42:05,481 - Jim, we need your side of the story. 752 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:08,068 If you could ask one question to him... 753 00:42:08,137 --> 00:42:10,724 - It'd be why. - Why what? 754 00:42:10,793 --> 00:42:13,000 - Why'd you kill Raymond West? 755 00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:17,034 - How did you kill Raymond West? 756 00:42:18,068 --> 00:42:21,309 - What do you really think... 757 00:42:21,378 --> 00:42:23,688 when you see him? 758 00:42:25,619 --> 00:42:28,619 - Cold-blooded killer... 759 00:42:36,757 --> 00:42:42,275 Who has managed to get away with it. 760 00:43:16,619 --> 00:43:21,172 - Mr. Lewis, this story is written... 761 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,757 first though, do you have any comment on the crimes 762 00:43:24,827 --> 00:43:27,275 you've been connected to and/or charged with 763 00:43:27,344 --> 00:43:29,447 and/or convicted of? 764 00:43:29,516 --> 00:43:32,275 The land fraud, the mail fraud, 765 00:43:32,344 --> 00:43:35,068 extortion, the rape claim, 766 00:43:35,137 --> 00:43:39,172 attempted murder, and the eight murders... 767 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,827 12-year-old Mary Kellerman 768 00:43:40,896 --> 00:43:43,240 of Elk Grove Village, Illinois, 769 00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:45,068 27-year-old Adam Janus 770 00:43:45,137 --> 00:43:47,896 of Arlington Heights, Illinois, 771 00:43:47,965 --> 00:43:52,240 27-year-old Mary Reiner of Winfield, Illinois, 772 00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:56,619 25-year-old Stanley Janus of Lisle, Illinois, 773 00:43:56,688 --> 00:44:01,000 20-year-old Theresa Janus of Lisle, Illinois, 774 00:44:01,068 --> 00:44:05,757 31-year-old Mary McFarland of Elmhurst, Illinois, 775 00:44:05,827 --> 00:44:10,000 35-year-old Paula Prince of Chicago, Illinois, 776 00:44:10,068 --> 00:44:12,896 and 72-year-old Raymond West 777 00:44:12,965 --> 00:44:16,000 of Kansas City, Missouri. 778 00:44:16,068 --> 00:44:19,516 I know you loved your little daughter Toni Ann. 779 00:44:19,585 --> 00:44:21,516 So did Raymond West. 780 00:44:21,585 --> 00:44:25,585 He waved at her when she was in your tax office. 781 00:44:25,655 --> 00:44:30,275 He was your client, just an old man, alone, 782 00:44:30,344 --> 00:44:33,931 perpetually pruning his rose bushes. 783 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,068 So why? 784 00:44:38,137 --> 00:44:42,378 She was just a little girl with a broken heart. 785 00:44:42,447 --> 00:44:45,585 I know yours broke too. 786 00:44:45,655 --> 00:44:47,724 No one's to blame though. 787 00:44:47,793 --> 00:44:52,931 It wasn't the sutures made by Johnson & Johnson. 788 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,378 So again, why? 789 00:44:57,447 --> 00:45:01,103 We've written your story, 790 00:45:01,172 --> 00:45:03,862 but it's unfinished. 791 00:45:03,931 --> 00:45:08,447 The ending is yours... 792 00:45:08,516 --> 00:45:10,896 if you desire. 793 00:45:25,516 --> 00:45:28,344 Anything else? 794 00:45:33,103 --> 00:45:35,619 - Uh... 795 00:45:40,655 --> 00:45:43,481 - I hope he tries it again. 796 00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:47,103 - James Lewis? - Yes. 797 00:45:47,172 --> 00:45:49,206 - Tries? 798 00:45:49,275 --> 00:45:54,206 - Tries to get away with murder again. 799 00:45:54,275 --> 00:45:58,172 Maybe this time we can catch him. 800 00:46:17,585 --> 00:46:19,413 - New technology led investigators 801 00:46:19,481 --> 00:46:22,000 to search the Cambridge, Massachusetts, home of a man 802 00:46:22,068 --> 00:46:23,931 who was connected to the case. 803 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,034 Police removed five boxes and a computer 804 00:46:26,103 --> 00:46:28,965 from the home of 62-year-old James Lewis yesterday. 805 00:46:29,034 --> 00:46:30,757 - We're going to link, finally link 806 00:46:30,827 --> 00:46:32,931 James Lewis to these murders. 807 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,516 - You were the lucky ones. 808 00:46:35,585 --> 00:46:38,034 - Yeah, we were. 809 00:46:38,103 --> 00:46:40,862 I don't know why we were spared, 810 00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:43,862 but we were. 811 00:46:43,931 --> 00:46:45,585 - The only thing that I can do 812 00:46:45,655 --> 00:46:49,309 is follow the forensics and follow the evidence. 813 00:46:49,378 --> 00:46:51,309 - DNA, you think, would catch something. 814 00:46:51,378 --> 00:46:52,413 But I don't know. 815 00:46:52,481 --> 00:46:54,034 I haven't heard anything about it. 816 00:46:54,103 --> 00:46:56,481 - Every time you run a piece of DNA, 817 00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:58,000 you're consuming, 818 00:46:58,068 --> 00:47:01,103 often, someone's last hope of getting justice. 819 00:47:02,481 --> 00:47:04,585 - I come into the office one afternoon 820 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,516 after being out all day, 821 00:47:06,585 --> 00:47:10,172 and there's a note saying that James Lewis called me. 60105

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