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- It's hard to believe
Grandma and Grandpa have
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been here for over 50 years.
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And the Janis brothers,
they're here 40 this year.
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Time goes by very, very fast.
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There's the monument.
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I know that as a landmark.
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Up over this way.
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Adam Janus, March '55 to '82.
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Stanley Janus, '57 to '82.
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What a tragedy.
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It's 40 years.
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I hope they can do
it, but I don't know.
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They haven't been
able to solve it so far.
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Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
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Blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
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Holy Mary, mother of God.
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Pray for us sinners now
and at the hour of our death.
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Amen.
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- Did you know
that the paramedic,
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his name is Chuck Kramer,
he goes to visit your brothers?
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- He does?
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Maybe... maybe he knew my...
my brothers, Adam, maybe, no?
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You know, I... I want to
thank him for doing that.
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You know, coming and
seeing my... my brothers' grave.
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- It almost caused
a national panic.
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- These deaths
have been associated
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with the presence of
cyanide in two containers
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of Extra Strength Tylenol.
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- Do not take Tylenol
until further notice.
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- Cyanide is so deadly,
an amount the size of a pea
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can kill you.
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- This was a stone-cold
mystery, and people died.
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And many of them were
were in the same family.
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- I just knew
something was wrong.
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- Paula was murdered.
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She was just murdered.
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- We know that there's
somebody out there
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trying to poison people.
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- How could he pull off the
crime of the century perfectly
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and not get caught?
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- We're actively
pursuing this investigation.
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This is not collecting
dust on a shelf.
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- This could be our guy.
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- Do you think you
know who did it?
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- Yes.
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- You're going to let
a murderer just go?
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- Hi.
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- As for the investigation,
it is continuing with little
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or no new information.
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There have been sightings
of the Richardsons,
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or Lewises, all
across the country.
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But none of the sightings
has proved to be valid.
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- We have a nationwide search
for a picture of a person who
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identifies himself
as, at one time,
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as James E. Lewis and Robert
Richardson, and other names.
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David E. Woods, John
Ryan, Robert Myers,
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Raymond Thompson,
and Robert R. Johnson.
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- Is there any area that
any search is centered
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for this man right now?
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- No, it's nationwide right now.
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- He could be anywhere.
- Right.
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- He could even be in Chicago.
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- Very possible.
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- The 36-year-old Lewis,
who has been described
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by authorities as a con man,
is bearded in photographs
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released by authorities.
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But a sketch by a
Channel 2 artist shows
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what the 6'1"
180-pound Lewis might
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look like without the beard.
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- I joined Corboy and
Demetriou in August of 1984.
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The firm then represented two
estates of people who had died
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due to the Tylenol poisonings.
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These were planned
exhibits for trial.
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This is of the
same type as 1982.
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This is a packaging that
J&J would acknowledge
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is not tamper-proof.
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And the capsules themselves
are not tamper-proof,
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not tamper-resistant in any way.
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You see there's no
glue, it's a fold-top box.
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Container shows
Tylenol Extra Strength.
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Open it up,
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we have a capsule
that is of the type
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that they sold.
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It's not sealed in any way.
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You can separate it and
take the drug out, if you wish,
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and put cyanide in.
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This is one of the
capsules themselves.
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You can see how you
can just pour the drug out
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of the capsule,
and then you have
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an empty device in which to put
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something harmful,
unfortunately.
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- Tylenol tablets began
going back on the store shelves
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in the Chicago suburbs today.
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All Tylenol is still
banned in the city,
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but tablets are now being
sold at suburban Jewel-Osco
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and Walgreens stores.
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The manufacturer continues
to work on a tamper-resistant
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container for the capsules.
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- Mayor Jane Byrne
was the mayor.
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It was an election year, meaning
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it was a year
before the election.
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And she was very
uptight about it,
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because these people were dying,
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and they were from Chicago.
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And it happened on her watch.
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- So we feel that all Tylenol
products should be removed.
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And I really... and as
of now, our inspectors
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will be out there making
certain that they are removed.
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- With the Tylenol scandal,
that was September, October.
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And then in November...
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I think it was
November 10, 1982,
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Harold Washington
announced his candidacy.
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- The Black community
is looking at the possibility
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of its first Black mayor while
this investigation of Tylenol
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is going on.
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- Absolutely.
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- Chicago is a divided city.
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Chicago is a city where
citizens are treated unfairly
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and unequally.
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But I cannot watch the city
of Chicago destroyed by petty
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politics and bad government.
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- All right.
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- Well, people were
angry at Jane Byrne,
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because she had
appointed three people
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to the Board of
Education, I believe it was.
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And they were furious,
because they were whites,
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and they thought that
some Blacks should
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be on the Board of Education.
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So there was anger over that.
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The accusations that
she double crossed
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the Black community.
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She got in there, and
then she turned her back.
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So she had to come
up with some plan
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to allay the fears of
the Black community,
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the white community,
the Hispanic community.
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It was a lot on this woman.
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It was a lot on her.
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- I'm also asking that an
ordinance be developed
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by the Department of
Health and Consumer Affairs
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to require seals
on all containers
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of medicine sold in the city.
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- If someone can put
poison into capsules,
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and then put it
back on the shelf,
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that means that it was
too easily accessible.
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So I knew that they had
to come up with something.
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And the only elected
body to do that
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would be the city council.
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- There could be a seal
around the cap of the bottle.
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A type of seal that would
clearly show that it had
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been broken and tampered with.
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There could be a seal
on the top of the package.
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Additionally, we would
require a warning statement
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to the consumer not
to buy this product,
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not to use this product
if these seals are broken.
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So we don't expect to see
any major increase in price.
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In fact, we hope
there won't be any.
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But if there is,
we feel it's well
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worth it if it saves one life.
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- Well, I know that there
were a lot of concern
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from the retailers.
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When they come
up with an ordinance,
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they didn't want it
to be cost-prohibitive.
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There is a way to seal
this to make it tamper-proof
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but not too expensive.
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Because that cuts
into their profit.
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I don't think they were
thinking about lives lost.
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The bottom line was profit.
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She didn't want
them coming after her,
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so they came up
with a compromise.
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She got an accepted
ordinance passed.
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So I guess she passed
the test without angering
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the retailers, which are the
money people who would
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contribute to her campaign.
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- The makers of Tylenol
announced their comeback
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campaign today
at one of the largest
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and probably one of the
most expensive corporate news
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conferences in
history linking 30 cities
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by satellite television.
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- We have made the
unequivocal commitment
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to rebuild this business
under the Tylenol name.
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We are coming back.
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It will take time.
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It will take money.
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And it will be very difficult.
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- Before September
of 1982, McNeil
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had enough information
to connect the dots that
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their product was tamperable
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and that they had
received some information,
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not of poisonings,
but of tampering done
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with some malicious intent.
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The technology to make
products tamper-resistant
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and tamper-evident
preceded September of 1982,
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could have been done then.
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- There were safer
kinds of packaging
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on the market before
the Tylenol incident.
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Plastic seals, individual
doses in blister packs.
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- There were a lot of denials.
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Nobody wanted to take
responsibility at J&J.
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- A spokesman for Johnson
and Johnson denies any guilt.
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"These tampering
poisonings in Chicago
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were an unprecedented
event," the statement says.
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"There was no way we
could have anticipated
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or prevented those deaths."
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- Everybody said,
"Yeah, it would have been
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"feasible to make
tamper-evident packaging,
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"or tamper-resistant packaging.
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"But the thought
never occurred to us.
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"There was never
enough information for us
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to warrant making that choice."
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But when you're selling a
drug that millions and millions
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of people take
and there's a risk,
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you can't let that risk go.
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Like a design defect
case against a car maker.
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Millions of people
are affected by that.
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They have to perceive the risk,
acknowledge it, and act on it.
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And they don't.
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People don't want to
take responsibility for that.
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- The new Tylenol capsule
package will start showing up
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on store shelves within weeks.
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- Tylenol tablets
are sealed two ways.
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The carton is securely
glued, and the bottle
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is foil-wrapped.
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Tylenol capsules have the
same two seals, plus a third.
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The cap is tightly wrapped
for your added protection.
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- They spoke in
almost religious terms
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of the moral imperative
of saving Tylenol
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and said that a
failure of Tylenol
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would be a failure for
the American people.
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But there was economic
reasoning behind the decision.
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The brand name is worth an
estimated $400 million a year.
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And even if sales
dropped by half,
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Tylenol would
still be the leading
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over-the-counter analgesic.
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So far, the manufacturers say
they have spent $100 million
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in recalling the product,
testing it, and developing
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the new package.
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- The public relations nightmare
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that they had to endure,
even though it's a good product,
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it works.
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How do you respond to a
tampering of your main product
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that you can't control?
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They survived.
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- Tylenol makers showed
a survey that indicated
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the number of people likely
to buy Tylenol in the future
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now has jumped from 40%
to 59% in just five weeks
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since the Tylenol tragedy.
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- This is why we believe
we can rebuild the business.
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Our consumers want us to.
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- Today, seven weeks later,
Mayor Byrne lifted the ban.
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Tamper-resistant packages
of new Tylenol products
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can be sold.
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Representatives of
major chain stores
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were there, Jewel, Dominick's,
Walgreens, Treasure Island,
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in support of the
return of Tylenol.
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There too the chairman and
president of McNeil consumer
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products, maker of Tylenol.
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- There is understandably
a measure of caution
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in the minds of the
Chicago consumer
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with regard to capsule
products in general.
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And... but nevertheless,
we are encouraged
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by the signs of support...
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expressed signs of support
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that the Chicago
consumer is evidence.
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- The ban has been
lifted, pharmacies
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will carry the product.
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But will people buy it?
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- Maybe the ca...
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tablets, but not capsules.
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- Even though
they're in three layers
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of tamper-resistant packaging?
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- I would probably buy
them. Yeah, I guess so.
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- Would you buy Tylenol?
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- No, I don't think I will.
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- Well, they're difficult
to open, aren't they?
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I mean, I kind of got it.
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But, I mean, this changed
everything for us, didn't it?
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In other words,
this is the way of life.
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I couldn't just open
up... absent-mindedly
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open up a bottle of aspirin.
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I had to go... right?
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And try to get it off, and
then break the seal and...
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- This is still a
pain in the rear end
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to open if it's...
regardless of 20
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years old or at 90 something.
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- Why does it take
me five minutes
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to open this pill bottle?
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Well, it's better
than being dead.
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- According to the
paper's Sunday edition,
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the note was included
along with other materials
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from James Lewis
in Friday's mail.
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In the note, fugitive
James Lewis says,
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neither he nor his wife are
responsible for the seven
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cyanide murders.
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The note says, "As you have
probably guessed, my wife
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"and I have not committed the
Chicago area Tylenol murders.
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"We do not go
around killing people.
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We never have,
and we never shall."
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The paper says the
envelope the note came in
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had a New York City postmark
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suggesting the Lewis
couple might still
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be in New York, where
they were last seen October
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14th at this Midtown hotel.
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Today, Illinois Attorney General
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Tyrone Faner said
he had no doubt
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that the note was authentic.
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He had a message for Lewis.
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- We'd like you to
consider turning yourself in.
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It's our feeling that if
you continue to run,
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you'll be caught in any event.
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I can understand your running,
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if indeed you are responsible
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for the terrible
cyanide murders.
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But if your letter
to us is true,
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that is all the more reason
for you to turn yourself in.
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If you were indeed innocent,
we will help you prove it.
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If you are innocent, your
continued hiding is pointless.
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We'd like you to
consider that since you've
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become a very prolific writer.
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- Whether or not Lewis
accepts the attorney general's
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invitation remains to be seen.
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In the meantime,
officials say they'll
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intensify their search
for the Lewis couple
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on the East Coast.
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- I was practicing out of state
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but joined Corboy
and Demetrio in 1984
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and began working on
the cases not long after that.
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Mary Kellerman, who died at
age 12, and Mary Sue McFarland
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was 32.
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Mary Kellerman took
the Tylenol the morning,
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I believe, of the
29th of September.
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Her mom was at work.
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Her dad called her mom and said,
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"She's having trouble breathing.
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Please come home."
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By the time she got
home, she couldn't get
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to within 100 feet
of her daughter.
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Police, ambulance, whatever.
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She sees her
daughter in a gurney
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going into an ambulance.
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She never saw
her daughter alive.
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What stuck with me about
her mother's testimony,
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she was asked,
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"What do you know about
what happened that day
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at home" while she's at work?
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And she said her husband said,
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"You don't want to
know what happened
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that morning in the bathroom."
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And he never told her.
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It was a horrible scene.
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Can't imagine having
to see something like that
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happen to your child.
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And making the
decision not to tell his wife
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was a very brave move.
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- And he shouldered it.
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- Yes, he did.
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- The investigation was ongoing,
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so there was a lot
they couldn't tell us.
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But the clear opinion I drew
from talking with those people
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was that James
Lewis was the guy.
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- I think he was
arrested, or at least found
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in a library in New York City.
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- James Lewis was sitting alone
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in a New York City library
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going through lists of
newspapers and periodicals
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when someone recognized
him from a wanted poster.
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- After lunch today, Monday,
we received a telephone call
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at the New York FBI office
that an individual answering
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the description of
James Lewis, as set forth
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in his wanted poster, was at
the New York Public Library
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on 40th Street and Fifth Avenue.
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We sent agents up
there, they located
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the man, placed him under
arrest, brought him down here.
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- Chicago detectives flew out
of O'Hare tonight for New York
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to question James
Lewis, not just
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about extortion, but about
the Tylenol murders as well.
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- He is high on
our list of people
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that we have to
determine whether or not
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he's responsible.
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- Lewis has denied
any role in the poisoning
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of seven Chicago area
residents in late September.
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- "Because I love
my country America,
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"I have a deep and
abiding respect for the law.
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"I love my wife LeAnn.
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I love her very much."
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- Authorities had established
that Lewis and his wife
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were registered
at a New York hotel
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at the time of the
murders in Chicago.
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But investigators now
are checking airline records
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between the two cities.
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In other words, where was
Lewis when poison was placed
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on the shelves of this store
where Tylenol victim Paula
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Prentiss shopped, and on
the shelves of other stores
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resulting in seven deaths?
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That is the question
authorities want answered.
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- He wrote a letter to
the Johnson and Johnson,
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which distributed
the Tylenol capsules,
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and said, "You want... you want
me to stop poisoning people?
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Then you give me
a million dollars."
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That was insane.
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- And he said he waited
for the first national tragedy
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to come along after
he hatched this plan.
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Could have been a
plane wreck, the sinking
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00:18:43,619 --> 00:18:45,862
of a ship, an airplane...
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00:18:45,931 --> 00:18:47,723
an airplane crash.
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Turned out to be
the Tylenol killings.
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- Only hours after
he was seized,
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00:18:52,517 --> 00:18:55,413
his wife was on the phone
with her attorney in Chicago.
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00:18:55,481 --> 00:18:56,837
- She was concerned
for her husband.
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She was. She was apprehensive.
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She wasn't too
concerned for herself,
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except that her
whole conversation
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with respect to her husband
and her great concern for him.
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She indicated to give him a
message that she loved him.
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00:19:09,517 --> 00:19:11,103
- As soon as she
arrived at O'Hare,
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LeAnn Lewis was rushed in
an unmarked car by FBI agents
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to the Dirksen Federal
Building downtown.
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00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:19,275
Immediately, U.S. Attorney
Dan Webb asked for a
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$5 million bond.
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- The government is saying
her husband is charged,
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or may be charged
with these crimes,
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therefore, she
should be penalized
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in that her husband
is the subject
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of these other investigations.
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And that's obviously not fair.
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- As of tonight,
Mrs. Lewis is only
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charged with having a fraudulent
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social security card.
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- This is the Dirksen
Federal Building,
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otherwise known as
the U.S. Courthouse,
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where all federal
trials are held
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in the Northern
District of Illinois.
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This is the building where James
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Lewis stood trial for the
Tylenol extortion letters.
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This is the building
where he was
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sentenced for those crimes.
436
00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:02,654
- Lewis was convicted
only of writing an extortion
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letter to Johnson and Johnson,
the makers of the painkiller.
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During his presentation
to the judge,
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U.S. Attorney Dan Webb asked
that the convicted extortionist
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be given the maximum 20 years,
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calling Lewis a
walking crimewave.
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00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:17,205
Webb claimed that Lewis
had attacked and tried
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to kill his parents in 1966
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00:20:19,654 --> 00:20:21,344
and said there is
evidence linking
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00:20:21,413 --> 00:20:25,136
Lewis to a dismemberment
murder in Kansas City in 1978.
446
00:20:25,205 --> 00:20:26,654
As for the extortion letter,
447
00:20:26,723 --> 00:20:28,931
Webb called it
evil and depraved.
448
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,723
Lewis, acting as
his own attorney,
449
00:20:30,792 --> 00:20:32,550
launched into an
hour-long rambling
450
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defense of his record.
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"The Justice Department
wants to show," Lewis said,
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"That I am a criminal genius.
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That is not the case."
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He went on, "I do not lie.
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"I do not cheat.
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I do not steal."
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Said Judge McGarr,
"In the face of two felony
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convictions, that is a
pretty hollow claim."
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Then the sentence.
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10 years in federal prison.
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- I have great confidence in
Judge McGarr's discretion.
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I believe that the sentence that
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was imposed of a 10-year
consecutive sentence
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is a very fair sentence.
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I'm very pleased
with the sentence.
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00:21:01,275 --> 00:21:02,862
- But Webb also
said, "The question
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"of Lewis' possible involvement
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"in the Tylenol killings
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has not been cleared
up to his satisfaction."
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- I cannot eradicate
the fact that
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he sent the letter itself which
confessed the Tylenol murders.
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I can't take away
the fact that he has
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a bizarre background.
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I can't take away the fact
that in certain interviews
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that I revealed in court today
in which Mr. Lewis in effect
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00:21:25,103 --> 00:21:27,205
started to discuss how
these murders might
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00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:30,275
have been conducted, in which
he went into elaborate detail.
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When you put all
of those together,
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I am not about
to sit here and say
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that he's no longer a suspect.
481
00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:41,000
- After his conviction,
Lewis volunteered
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00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:46,792
to assist the FBI and
me in investigating
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00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:48,034
the Tylenol killings.
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00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:50,448
He said he was
very bright, well-read,
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00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:52,423
understood how government
works, and had a lot of time
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00:21:52,448 --> 00:21:55,000
on his hands, and he
offered his assistance.
487
00:21:55,067 --> 00:21:57,654
So the pictures on
this wall represent
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a portion of different
events and circumstances
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IN my public career.
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This is James Lewis.
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00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:06,550
This is actually Mr. Lewis.
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00:22:06,619 --> 00:22:08,619
This is his drilled
board method.
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00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:10,067
His words, not mine.
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Where you drill these
holes into this little plywood
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00:22:13,448 --> 00:22:18,067
contraption, put the
bottom capsule into this hole,
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00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:20,654
put a mound of cyanide
on top of the board.
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00:22:20,723 --> 00:22:25,413
Scrape it across with a bread
knife, clean up the excess.
498
00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:27,275
Put the tops of the capsules in,
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00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:29,931
load them into
the Tylenol bottles,
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00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,964
and put them on
the store shelves.
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00:22:33,034 --> 00:22:33,964
- So he drew that?
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- He drew that.
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00:22:35,378 --> 00:22:38,067
This is a photocopy
of his original drawing.
504
00:22:38,136 --> 00:22:40,964
He speculated...
hypothesized on how the killings
505
00:22:41,034 --> 00:22:42,378
might have taken place.
506
00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:45,654
- What were you thinking
when he first gave you that?
507
00:22:45,723 --> 00:22:49,172
- Bizarre to put it mildly.
508
00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:55,862
He spent a great deal of
time... many, many hours...
509
00:22:55,931 --> 00:22:58,240
thinking, ruminating, and
preparing these manuscripts
510
00:22:58,309 --> 00:22:59,931
and these drawings.
511
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,654
But he was always
very careful to explain
512
00:23:02,723 --> 00:23:06,481
that this was speculation,
these were all hypotheticals.
513
00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:10,240
These were merely his
musings to try to give us
514
00:23:10,309 --> 00:23:12,034
investigative ideas
that might lead
515
00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:14,240
to finding the Tylenol killer.
516
00:23:15,654 --> 00:23:17,078
- When you put all
of those together,
517
00:23:17,103 --> 00:23:18,758
I am not about
to sit here and say
518
00:23:18,826 --> 00:23:21,067
that he's no longer a suspect.
519
00:23:21,136 --> 00:23:23,550
- For the moment,
he is one of 384
520
00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,517
prisoners at the
Metropolitan Correctional
521
00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:28,136
Center in The Loop.
522
00:23:28,205 --> 00:23:30,964
He is 37-year-old
James Lewis, the man
523
00:23:31,034 --> 00:23:33,240
convicted of writing
the notorious Tylenol
524
00:23:33,309 --> 00:23:34,654
extortion letter.
525
00:23:34,723 --> 00:23:36,413
- The late, great
Mike Parker, of course,
526
00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:38,550
was our lead
reporter on this story.
527
00:23:38,619 --> 00:23:41,895
And he's the one who got
the interview with James Lewis.
528
00:23:41,964 --> 00:23:43,448
And I think that,
you know, that that
529
00:23:43,517 --> 00:23:45,758
was a really groundbreaking
moment in the coverage
530
00:23:45,826 --> 00:23:47,413
of the story nationally.
531
00:23:47,481 --> 00:23:49,792
- And running from the law
during a nationwide manhunt,
532
00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:53,481
until his arrest in New York
City in December of 1982.
533
00:23:53,550 --> 00:23:56,517
- When one is the focus
of that much hatred,
534
00:23:56,586 --> 00:23:59,067
it is virtually
impossible for a person
535
00:23:59,136 --> 00:24:04,000
to convince very
many people that he is
536
00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:05,862
not as he has been described.
537
00:24:05,931 --> 00:24:08,000
- What was it like
to be on the run,
538
00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:10,309
knowing that every
law enforcement
539
00:24:10,378 --> 00:24:13,103
agency in the country
was looking for you?
540
00:24:13,172 --> 00:24:14,586
- It is terrifying...
541
00:24:14,654 --> 00:24:16,240
absolutely, terrifying.
542
00:24:16,309 --> 00:24:18,205
Can you imagine
trying to tell your wife
543
00:24:18,275 --> 00:24:24,172
that, "Honey, I wrote a letter."
544
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,136
"Oh, yeah?"
545
00:24:26,205 --> 00:24:29,344
"Well, there's something
else I need to tell you.
546
00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:34,862
They're talking about it
in the radio and on TV."
547
00:24:34,931 --> 00:24:35,862
- Go on.
548
00:24:35,931 --> 00:24:37,103
Go on.
549
00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:39,413
- Just trying to explain
that to your wife.
550
00:24:39,481 --> 00:24:42,034
- How did she take that?
551
00:24:42,103 --> 00:24:46,619
- She, uh, just sat and
stared at the wall for a while.
552
00:24:46,689 --> 00:24:49,034
"How could you have
done such a thing?"
553
00:24:49,103 --> 00:24:52,862
- So then you found
yourselves running from the law?
554
00:24:52,931 --> 00:24:54,205
- Didn't really run that much.
555
00:24:54,275 --> 00:24:58,654
We just moved to
another hotel and...
556
00:24:58,723 --> 00:25:00,481
just a few blocks away.
557
00:25:00,550 --> 00:25:02,517
And didn't really hide.
558
00:25:02,586 --> 00:25:07,931
We were out on the streets
in New York every day.
559
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,550
For example, the
Thanksgiving Day parade,
560
00:25:10,619 --> 00:25:15,000
the Macy's Thanksgiving
Day parade at Herald Square,
561
00:25:15,067 --> 00:25:18,240
there were about 400
policemen standing,
562
00:25:18,309 --> 00:25:20,240
waiting to get their
orders on where they
563
00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:21,689
were going to be stationed.
564
00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:23,448
My wife and I
walked hand in hand
565
00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:25,550
through all of those
people at the time
566
00:25:25,619 --> 00:25:28,034
that this big manhunt
was going on.
567
00:25:28,103 --> 00:25:29,481
We did not hide.
568
00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:31,286
- As he did throughout
his trial, Lewis says he
569
00:25:31,309 --> 00:25:33,517
wrote the letter only
to focus attention
570
00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:36,550
on his wife's former
employer Lewis suspected
571
00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:38,103
of financial wrongdoing.
572
00:25:38,172 --> 00:25:40,862
In that letter, Lewis
had asked that $1 million
573
00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:43,378
be placed in the
man's bank account.
574
00:25:43,448 --> 00:25:45,275
- The letter itself
is not illegal,
575
00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,275
unless you have the intent.
576
00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:49,000
And there is no
way that I could have
577
00:25:49,067 --> 00:25:50,895
possibly had any intent there.
578
00:25:50,964 --> 00:25:54,000
The bank account was
a closed bank account.
579
00:25:54,067 --> 00:25:56,344
It was at Continental
Illinois Bank.
580
00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:59,758
I had no more access to
that bank account than one
581
00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,275
of your gentlemen here.
582
00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:02,769
- Did you feel then
that you were on trial
583
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,034
for the Tylenol murders?
584
00:26:04,103 --> 00:26:05,172
- I did.
585
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,034
- Did you commit
the Tylenol murders?
586
00:26:07,103 --> 00:26:09,067
- I did not.
587
00:26:09,136 --> 00:26:10,792
- Do you know who did?
588
00:26:10,862 --> 00:26:13,654
Do not know who did, no.
589
00:26:13,723 --> 00:26:15,895
- What do you want to say
to the people of Chicago,
590
00:26:15,964 --> 00:26:17,586
and to the country,
for that matter?
591
00:26:17,654 --> 00:26:20,034
- I have been subjected
to an awful lot of...
592
00:26:20,103 --> 00:26:23,378
of statements in the
press by government
593
00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:25,309
and a lot of other people.
594
00:26:25,378 --> 00:26:30,309
It is very, very difficult
to overcome that much
595
00:26:30,378 --> 00:26:32,862
in the way of
hostile statements.
596
00:26:32,931 --> 00:26:36,034
I have been the officially
designated evil one
597
00:26:36,103 --> 00:26:38,240
by the Justice Department.
598
00:26:38,309 --> 00:26:41,344
When one gains that status,
599
00:26:41,413 --> 00:26:43,034
if there is such a
thing as a status,
600
00:26:43,103 --> 00:26:45,205
it's a horrible status to have.
601
00:26:45,275 --> 00:26:49,723
- I don't think there's
evidence that anyone else did.
602
00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:56,413
The problem is, there
isn't clear physical evidence
603
00:26:56,481 --> 00:27:01,205
that's not clear physical
evidence that he did.
604
00:27:01,275 --> 00:27:02,423
So I'm not the only one that was
605
00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:04,034
frustrated when it was over.
606
00:27:04,103 --> 00:27:05,596
Everybody who was in that
room the first day, I'm sure
607
00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:06,964
was frustrated when it was over.
608
00:27:07,034 --> 00:27:08,862
Well, they knew what happened.
609
00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:13,344
Thought they knew who probably
was responsible at the end.
610
00:27:15,378 --> 00:27:16,826
There's rules.
611
00:27:16,895 --> 00:27:17,826
You follow the rules.
612
00:27:17,895 --> 00:27:18,826
You follow the law.
613
00:27:18,895 --> 00:27:20,862
You follow the evidence.
614
00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:23,378
And most of the time, you
need physical evidence.
615
00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:27,517
And when it came
to the seven murders,
616
00:27:27,586 --> 00:27:31,309
the physical evidence
was the capsules.
617
00:27:31,378 --> 00:27:32,723
But there wasn't any more.
618
00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:35,309
- When the feds couldn't
even nail James Lewis,
619
00:27:35,378 --> 00:27:37,136
but let it be known
in their court filings
620
00:27:37,205 --> 00:27:39,931
that there's no question in
their mind he was behind this,
621
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,826
what more can law
enforcement do?
622
00:27:41,895 --> 00:27:44,067
- We had a little
girl, 12 years old.
623
00:27:44,136 --> 00:27:45,792
We had a brand-new mom.
624
00:27:45,862 --> 00:27:48,654
You had a family
you've destroyed.
625
00:27:48,723 --> 00:27:50,205
How could anybody
live with that?
626
00:27:50,275 --> 00:27:53,586
I don't understand.
627
00:27:53,654 --> 00:27:56,205
I was hoping, for years,
that they would catch this guy.
628
00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:57,586
I really was.
629
00:27:57,654 --> 00:27:59,654
But it doesn't look like
it's going to happen.
630
00:27:59,723 --> 00:28:03,067
And let's face it, if he
was... he'd be my age, right?
631
00:28:03,136 --> 00:28:05,034
Probably 40 years ago.
632
00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,862
And if he was in his 20s or 30s,
633
00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:09,931
he's going to be 70
years old by this time.
634
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,448
They haven't caught him by now.
635
00:28:11,517 --> 00:28:12,654
I don't know.
636
00:28:12,723 --> 00:28:14,044
I wish they would.
I really would.
637
00:28:14,103 --> 00:28:15,550
That would be a nice...
638
00:28:15,619 --> 00:28:19,034
nice thing to... to know
before I go that they got him.
639
00:28:19,103 --> 00:28:20,502
- I think, you
know, there are a lot
640
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:26,172
of people that are afraid
to open and tell the truth.
641
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,172
But there might
be that somebody...
642
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,792
there might be
that somebody that
643
00:28:31,862 --> 00:28:35,205
will come forward
and tell their story
644
00:28:35,275 --> 00:28:38,344
if they were there that day
and they saw what happened.
645
00:28:38,413 --> 00:28:43,240
That would be, actually,
closure for our family.
646
00:28:43,309 --> 00:28:50,067
Because that would be fair
for us to know what happened.
647
00:28:50,136 --> 00:28:52,136
- Your mother never
got to hear the truth?
648
00:28:52,205 --> 00:28:54,275
- She never did.
649
00:28:57,758 --> 00:28:58,895
- She just passed?
650
00:28:58,964 --> 00:29:01,723
- She just passed in December.
651
00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:10,862
- My wife, she wanted
to know too the person
652
00:29:10,931 --> 00:29:12,275
that killed my brothers, too.
653
00:29:12,344 --> 00:29:16,103
She was waiting for
that day, but she never...
654
00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:17,205
never got it.
655
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,895
It's... it's hard
for me to live.
656
00:29:25,689 --> 00:29:28,792
But I still got my daughter,
my son, my grandchildren.
657
00:29:28,862 --> 00:29:34,172
I got to live for them.
658
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,517
I'm very... every time I know...
659
00:29:39,586 --> 00:29:42,172
I think about
everything, it's just...
660
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,344
it's terrible what I
went through my life.
661
00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:47,517
- Do you think Lewis did it?
662
00:29:50,103 --> 00:29:53,586
- I've never speculated
on who I believe did it.
663
00:29:53,654 --> 00:29:54,931
Well, I shouldn't say that.
664
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,172
I've never said publicly
who I think did it.
665
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,619
- Who did it?
666
00:30:01,689 --> 00:30:04,758
- I don't discuss that.
667
00:30:04,826 --> 00:30:06,895
- Do you think you
know who did it?
668
00:30:06,964 --> 00:30:11,481
- Yes.
669
00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:14,654
- If you think you
know who did it,
670
00:30:14,723 --> 00:30:17,000
some might think the
families of the victims
671
00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:21,481
are owed that knowledge.
672
00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:23,723
- I think what the
victims' families
673
00:30:23,792 --> 00:30:27,103
are owed is ultimate justice.
674
00:30:27,172 --> 00:30:31,723
And my opinion of
who did it isn't justice.
675
00:30:31,792 --> 00:30:33,792
That's just my opinion.
676
00:30:33,862 --> 00:30:36,172
What I would like
to see, and what
677
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,309
the agents who have
continued to work this case 40
678
00:30:39,378 --> 00:30:41,619
years after it happened
would like to see
679
00:30:41,689 --> 00:30:43,931
is the killer be
brought to justice.
680
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000
And I do believe that
that will happen one day.
681
00:30:47,067 --> 00:30:48,000
- You do?
682
00:30:48,067 --> 00:30:49,067
- Yes.
683
00:30:56,067 --> 00:30:57,586
- Leave the tripod. Ready?
684
00:30:57,654 --> 00:30:58,964
This could be our guy.
685
00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:01,481
"Mr. Lewis, I'm Brad.
686
00:31:01,550 --> 00:31:04,136
"I'm reporting on
the Tylenol murders.
687
00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:07,344
"I named our pursuit Painkiller.
688
00:31:07,413 --> 00:31:09,862
Are you the Painkiller?"
689
00:31:09,931 --> 00:31:12,964
- The man in that photo
is Lewis Richardson,
690
00:31:13,034 --> 00:31:14,378
whatever his name is.
691
00:31:14,448 --> 00:31:18,964
- James Lewis tried to
kill his parents June of '66.
692
00:31:19,034 --> 00:31:20,275
Do you know who that is?
693
00:31:21,895 --> 00:31:24,758
James Lewis, ever heard of him?
694
00:31:24,826 --> 00:31:27,000
What are the odds
they talk to me?
695
00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:28,458
All right, I'm going
to throw a mic on you.
696
00:31:28,481 --> 00:31:29,872
- I'm Sergeant Joe
Murphy with the Arlington
697
00:31:29,895 --> 00:31:31,034
Heights Police department.
698
00:31:31,103 --> 00:31:32,113
I'm one of the
investigators assigned
699
00:31:32,136 --> 00:31:33,689
to the Tylenol murders.
700
00:31:33,758 --> 00:31:36,067
- This was the scene four
years ago in Kansas City
701
00:31:36,136 --> 00:31:37,862
when police found
the dismembered body
702
00:31:37,931 --> 00:31:41,758
of 72-year-old Raymond
West, a friend of James Lewis.
703
00:31:41,826 --> 00:31:45,034
- If you're searching the
house for Raymond West,
704
00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:48,034
why don't you go to
the goddamn basement
705
00:31:48,103 --> 00:31:49,792
and see if he's down there?
706
00:31:49,862 --> 00:31:51,481
- Lewis.
707
00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:53,931
- We're actively
pursuing this investigation.
708
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,826
This is not collecting
dust on a shelf.
709
00:31:56,895 --> 00:31:58,517
- Hi. Mr. Lewis?
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