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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,964 --> 00:00:08,862 - It's hard to believe Grandma and Grandpa have 2 00:00:08,930 --> 00:00:12,067 been here for over 50 years. 3 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:17,137 And the Janis brothers, they're here 40 this year. 4 00:00:17,205 --> 00:00:20,103 Time goes by very, very fast. 5 00:00:20,172 --> 00:00:21,448 There's the monument. 6 00:00:21,516 --> 00:00:23,724 I know that as a landmark. 7 00:00:23,792 --> 00:00:27,205 Up over this way. 8 00:00:54,862 --> 00:01:00,310 Adam Janus, March '55 to '82. 9 00:01:00,378 --> 00:01:05,310 Stanley Janus, '57 to '82. 10 00:01:07,206 --> 00:01:10,930 What a tragedy. 11 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,861 It's 40 years. 12 00:01:12,930 --> 00:01:15,757 I hope they can do it, but I don't know. 13 00:01:15,826 --> 00:01:18,965 They haven't been able to solve it so far. 14 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:22,343 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 15 00:01:22,412 --> 00:01:24,000 Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 16 00:01:24,067 --> 00:01:25,861 Holy Mary, mother of God. 17 00:01:25,930 --> 00:01:29,103 Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. 18 00:01:29,171 --> 00:01:30,171 Amen. 19 00:01:31,585 --> 00:01:35,171 - Did you know that the paramedic, 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,412 his name is Chuck Kramer, he goes to visit your brothers? 21 00:01:39,481 --> 00:01:41,551 - He does? 22 00:01:47,896 --> 00:01:51,793 Maybe... maybe he knew my... my brothers, Adam, maybe, no? 23 00:01:55,551 --> 00:01:59,137 You know, I... I want to thank him for doing that. 24 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:05,343 You know, coming and seeing my... my brothers' grave. 25 00:02:15,137 --> 00:02:17,826 - It almost caused a national panic. 26 00:02:17,896 --> 00:02:19,310 - These deaths have been associated 27 00:02:19,378 --> 00:02:21,896 with the presence of cyanide in two containers 28 00:02:21,965 --> 00:02:25,240 of Extra Strength Tylenol. 29 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:27,137 - Do not take Tylenol until further notice. 30 00:02:27,205 --> 00:02:30,033 - Cyanide is so deadly, an amount the size of a pea 31 00:02:30,103 --> 00:02:31,413 can kill you. 32 00:02:31,481 --> 00:02:34,413 - This was a stone-cold mystery, and people died. 33 00:02:34,481 --> 00:02:37,275 And many of them were were in the same family. 34 00:02:37,343 --> 00:02:39,378 - I just knew something was wrong. 35 00:02:39,448 --> 00:02:40,793 - Paula was murdered. 36 00:02:40,861 --> 00:02:43,343 She was just murdered. 37 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:44,734 - We know that there's somebody out there 38 00:02:44,758 --> 00:02:46,481 trying to poison people. 39 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:49,481 - How could he pull off the crime of the century perfectly 40 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:50,826 and not get caught? 41 00:02:50,896 --> 00:02:53,000 - We're actively pursuing this investigation. 42 00:02:53,067 --> 00:02:54,723 This is not collecting dust on a shelf. 43 00:02:54,793 --> 00:02:55,896 - This could be our guy. 44 00:02:55,965 --> 00:02:57,516 - Do you think you know who did it? 45 00:02:57,586 --> 00:02:59,516 - Yes. 46 00:02:59,586 --> 00:03:03,000 - You're going to let a murderer just go? 47 00:03:04,103 --> 00:03:06,171 - Hi. 48 00:03:15,413 --> 00:03:17,965 - As for the investigation, it is continuing with little 49 00:03:18,033 --> 00:03:19,378 or no new information. 50 00:03:19,448 --> 00:03:21,240 There have been sightings of the Richardsons, 51 00:03:21,310 --> 00:03:23,310 or Lewises, all across the country. 52 00:03:23,378 --> 00:03:26,240 But none of the sightings has proved to be valid. 53 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:29,688 - We have a nationwide search for a picture of a person who 54 00:03:29,758 --> 00:03:32,448 identifies himself as, at one time, 55 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:37,206 as James E. Lewis and Robert Richardson, and other names. 56 00:03:37,275 --> 00:03:40,723 David E. Woods, John Ryan, Robert Myers, 57 00:03:40,793 --> 00:03:43,620 Raymond Thompson, and Robert R. Johnson. 58 00:03:43,688 --> 00:03:45,793 - Is there any area that any search is centered 59 00:03:45,861 --> 00:03:47,448 for this man right now? 60 00:03:47,516 --> 00:03:49,137 - No, it's nationwide right now. 61 00:03:49,206 --> 00:03:50,445 - He could be anywhere. - Right. 62 00:03:50,481 --> 00:03:52,137 - He could even be in Chicago. 63 00:03:52,206 --> 00:03:53,793 - Very possible. 64 00:03:53,861 --> 00:03:56,103 - The 36-year-old Lewis, who has been described 65 00:03:56,171 --> 00:03:59,481 by authorities as a con man, is bearded in photographs 66 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:00,895 released by authorities. 67 00:04:00,965 --> 00:04:03,586 But a sketch by a Channel 2 artist shows 68 00:04:03,655 --> 00:04:06,550 what the 6'1" 180-pound Lewis might 69 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:08,240 look like without the beard. 70 00:04:16,067 --> 00:04:20,550 - I joined Corboy and Demetriou in August of 1984. 71 00:04:20,620 --> 00:04:24,274 The firm then represented two estates of people who had died 72 00:04:24,343 --> 00:04:27,586 due to the Tylenol poisonings. 73 00:04:27,654 --> 00:04:30,206 These were planned exhibits for trial. 74 00:04:30,274 --> 00:04:33,550 This is of the same type as 1982. 75 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:37,274 This is a packaging that J&J would acknowledge 76 00:04:37,343 --> 00:04:38,757 is not tamper-proof. 77 00:04:38,826 --> 00:04:42,240 And the capsules themselves are not tamper-proof, 78 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:44,103 not tamper-resistant in any way. 79 00:04:44,172 --> 00:04:48,862 You see there's no glue, it's a fold-top box. 80 00:04:48,930 --> 00:04:53,930 Container shows Tylenol Extra Strength. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,413 Open it up, 82 00:04:58,481 --> 00:05:02,033 we have a capsule that is of the type 83 00:05:02,103 --> 00:05:03,033 that they sold. 84 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:05,550 It's not sealed in any way. 85 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:08,137 You can separate it and take the drug out, if you wish, 86 00:05:08,206 --> 00:05:09,550 and put cyanide in. 87 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:12,620 This is one of the capsules themselves. 88 00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:15,757 You can see how you can just pour the drug out 89 00:05:15,826 --> 00:05:19,137 of the capsule, and then you have 90 00:05:19,206 --> 00:05:21,240 an empty device in which to put 91 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:24,757 something harmful, unfortunately. 92 00:05:31,103 --> 00:05:34,550 - Tylenol tablets began going back on the store shelves 93 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:36,274 in the Chicago suburbs today. 94 00:05:36,343 --> 00:05:38,723 All Tylenol is still banned in the city, 95 00:05:38,793 --> 00:05:41,826 but tablets are now being sold at suburban Jewel-Osco 96 00:05:41,896 --> 00:05:43,516 and Walgreens stores. 97 00:05:43,586 --> 00:05:46,723 The manufacturer continues to work on a tamper-resistant 98 00:05:46,793 --> 00:05:49,481 container for the capsules. 99 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,654 - Mayor Jane Byrne was the mayor. 100 00:05:51,723 --> 00:05:54,240 It was an election year, meaning 101 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:56,620 it was a year before the election. 102 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:59,067 And she was very uptight about it, 103 00:05:59,137 --> 00:06:00,550 because these people were dying, 104 00:06:00,620 --> 00:06:02,586 and they were from Chicago. 105 00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:04,343 And it happened on her watch. 106 00:06:04,413 --> 00:06:07,310 - So we feel that all Tylenol products should be removed. 107 00:06:07,379 --> 00:06:10,343 And I really... and as of now, our inspectors 108 00:06:10,413 --> 00:06:14,137 will be out there making certain that they are removed. 109 00:06:14,206 --> 00:06:19,033 - With the Tylenol scandal, that was September, October. 110 00:06:19,103 --> 00:06:20,826 And then in November... 111 00:06:20,896 --> 00:06:23,481 I think it was November 10, 1982, 112 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:26,862 Harold Washington announced his candidacy. 113 00:06:28,896 --> 00:06:32,620 - The Black community is looking at the possibility 114 00:06:32,689 --> 00:06:38,516 of its first Black mayor while this investigation of Tylenol 115 00:06:38,586 --> 00:06:39,516 is going on. 116 00:06:39,586 --> 00:06:40,586 - Absolutely. 117 00:06:40,620 --> 00:06:42,172 - Chicago is a divided city. 118 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,067 Chicago is a city where citizens are treated unfairly 119 00:06:46,137 --> 00:06:47,620 and unequally. 120 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:50,723 But I cannot watch the city of Chicago destroyed by petty 121 00:06:50,793 --> 00:06:52,965 politics and bad government. 122 00:06:53,033 --> 00:06:54,240 - All right. 123 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:55,965 - Well, people were angry at Jane Byrne, 124 00:06:56,033 --> 00:06:59,274 because she had appointed three people 125 00:06:59,343 --> 00:07:04,103 to the Board of Education, I believe it was. 126 00:07:04,172 --> 00:07:06,550 And they were furious, because they were whites, 127 00:07:06,620 --> 00:07:08,689 and they thought that some Blacks should 128 00:07:08,757 --> 00:07:10,689 be on the Board of Education. 129 00:07:10,757 --> 00:07:13,379 So there was anger over that. 130 00:07:13,447 --> 00:07:15,033 The accusations that she double crossed 131 00:07:15,103 --> 00:07:16,586 the Black community. 132 00:07:16,654 --> 00:07:18,389 She got in there, and then she turned her back. 133 00:07:18,413 --> 00:07:20,447 So she had to come up with some plan 134 00:07:20,516 --> 00:07:22,896 to allay the fears of the Black community, 135 00:07:22,964 --> 00:07:25,862 the white community, the Hispanic community. 136 00:07:25,930 --> 00:07:28,447 It was a lot on this woman. 137 00:07:28,516 --> 00:07:29,826 It was a lot on her. 138 00:07:29,896 --> 00:07:31,630 - I'm also asking that an ordinance be developed 139 00:07:31,654 --> 00:07:34,240 by the Department of Health and Consumer Affairs 140 00:07:34,310 --> 00:07:36,274 to require seals on all containers 141 00:07:36,343 --> 00:07:37,793 of medicine sold in the city. 142 00:07:37,862 --> 00:07:41,620 - If someone can put poison into capsules, 143 00:07:41,689 --> 00:07:43,103 and then put it back on the shelf, 144 00:07:43,172 --> 00:07:46,447 that means that it was too easily accessible. 145 00:07:46,516 --> 00:07:48,476 So I knew that they had to come up with something. 146 00:07:48,516 --> 00:07:50,965 And the only elected body to do that 147 00:07:51,033 --> 00:07:52,413 would be the city council. 148 00:07:54,586 --> 00:07:57,723 - There could be a seal around the cap of the bottle. 149 00:07:57,793 --> 00:08:00,689 A type of seal that would clearly show that it had 150 00:08:00,757 --> 00:08:02,550 been broken and tampered with. 151 00:08:02,620 --> 00:08:04,654 There could be a seal on the top of the package. 152 00:08:04,723 --> 00:08:07,896 Additionally, we would require a warning statement 153 00:08:07,964 --> 00:08:10,240 to the consumer not to buy this product, 154 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:12,723 not to use this product if these seals are broken. 155 00:08:12,793 --> 00:08:15,343 So we don't expect to see any major increase in price. 156 00:08:15,413 --> 00:08:16,596 In fact, we hope there won't be any. 157 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:18,067 But if there is, we feel it's well 158 00:08:18,137 --> 00:08:19,447 worth it if it saves one life. 159 00:08:19,516 --> 00:08:22,654 - Well, I know that there were a lot of concern 160 00:08:22,723 --> 00:08:24,033 from the retailers. 161 00:08:24,103 --> 00:08:26,033 When they come up with an ordinance, 162 00:08:26,103 --> 00:08:28,343 they didn't want it to be cost-prohibitive. 163 00:08:28,413 --> 00:08:33,033 There is a way to seal this to make it tamper-proof 164 00:08:33,101 --> 00:08:34,654 but not too expensive. 165 00:08:34,724 --> 00:08:37,413 Because that cuts into their profit. 166 00:08:37,481 --> 00:08:40,274 I don't think they were thinking about lives lost. 167 00:08:40,344 --> 00:08:43,033 The bottom line was profit. 168 00:08:43,101 --> 00:08:45,861 She didn't want them coming after her, 169 00:08:45,931 --> 00:08:48,481 so they came up with a compromise. 170 00:08:48,551 --> 00:08:51,344 She got an accepted ordinance passed. 171 00:08:51,413 --> 00:08:55,344 So I guess she passed the test without angering 172 00:08:55,413 --> 00:08:58,000 the retailers, which are the money people who would 173 00:08:58,067 --> 00:09:01,240 contribute to her campaign. 174 00:09:05,413 --> 00:09:07,620 - The makers of Tylenol announced their comeback 175 00:09:07,688 --> 00:09:09,931 campaign today at one of the largest 176 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,793 and probably one of the most expensive corporate news 177 00:09:12,861 --> 00:09:15,724 conferences in history linking 30 cities 178 00:09:15,793 --> 00:09:17,481 by satellite television. 179 00:09:17,551 --> 00:09:21,000 - We have made the unequivocal commitment 180 00:09:21,067 --> 00:09:26,067 to rebuild this business under the Tylenol name. 181 00:09:26,136 --> 00:09:28,724 We are coming back. 182 00:09:28,793 --> 00:09:31,067 It will take time. 183 00:09:31,136 --> 00:09:33,379 It will take money. 184 00:09:33,447 --> 00:09:35,344 And it will be very difficult. 185 00:09:35,413 --> 00:09:37,965 - Before September of 1982, McNeil 186 00:09:38,033 --> 00:09:41,724 had enough information to connect the dots that 187 00:09:41,793 --> 00:09:43,724 their product was tamperable 188 00:09:43,793 --> 00:09:46,965 and that they had received some information, 189 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:49,688 not of poisonings, but of tampering done 190 00:09:49,758 --> 00:09:52,136 with some malicious intent. 191 00:09:52,206 --> 00:09:56,172 The technology to make products tamper-resistant 192 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,793 and tamper-evident preceded September of 1982, 193 00:09:59,861 --> 00:10:01,586 could have been done then. 194 00:10:01,654 --> 00:10:03,379 - There were safer kinds of packaging 195 00:10:03,447 --> 00:10:05,481 on the market before the Tylenol incident. 196 00:10:05,551 --> 00:10:08,826 Plastic seals, individual doses in blister packs. 197 00:10:08,895 --> 00:10:10,206 - There were a lot of denials. 198 00:10:10,274 --> 00:10:12,931 Nobody wanted to take responsibility at J&J. 199 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,965 - A spokesman for Johnson and Johnson denies any guilt. 200 00:10:16,033 --> 00:10:18,206 "These tampering poisonings in Chicago 201 00:10:18,274 --> 00:10:20,620 were an unprecedented event," the statement says. 202 00:10:20,688 --> 00:10:23,102 "There was no way we could have anticipated 203 00:10:23,172 --> 00:10:25,447 or prevented those deaths." 204 00:10:25,517 --> 00:10:27,586 - Everybody said, "Yeah, it would have been 205 00:10:27,654 --> 00:10:30,033 "feasible to make tamper-evident packaging, 206 00:10:30,102 --> 00:10:31,654 "or tamper-resistant packaging. 207 00:10:31,724 --> 00:10:33,379 "But the thought never occurred to us. 208 00:10:33,447 --> 00:10:35,379 "There was never enough information for us 209 00:10:35,447 --> 00:10:37,758 to warrant making that choice." 210 00:10:37,826 --> 00:10:41,654 But when you're selling a drug that millions and millions 211 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:43,517 of people take and there's a risk, 212 00:10:43,586 --> 00:10:45,826 you can't let that risk go. 213 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:48,620 Like a design defect case against a car maker. 214 00:10:48,688 --> 00:10:51,379 Millions of people are affected by that. 215 00:10:51,447 --> 00:10:54,965 They have to perceive the risk, acknowledge it, and act on it. 216 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:56,309 And they don't. 217 00:10:56,379 --> 00:10:58,758 People don't want to take responsibility for that. 218 00:10:58,826 --> 00:11:01,793 - The new Tylenol capsule package will start showing up 219 00:11:01,861 --> 00:11:03,481 on store shelves within weeks. 220 00:11:03,551 --> 00:11:06,206 - Tylenol tablets are sealed two ways. 221 00:11:06,274 --> 00:11:08,861 The carton is securely glued, and the bottle 222 00:11:08,931 --> 00:11:10,551 is foil-wrapped. 223 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:13,758 Tylenol capsules have the same two seals, plus a third. 224 00:11:13,826 --> 00:11:16,517 The cap is tightly wrapped for your added protection. 225 00:11:16,586 --> 00:11:18,895 - They spoke in almost religious terms 226 00:11:18,965 --> 00:11:21,861 of the moral imperative of saving Tylenol 227 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:24,102 and said that a failure of Tylenol 228 00:11:24,172 --> 00:11:26,481 would be a failure for the American people. 229 00:11:26,551 --> 00:11:30,000 But there was economic reasoning behind the decision. 230 00:11:30,067 --> 00:11:34,172 The brand name is worth an estimated $400 million a year. 231 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,206 And even if sales dropped by half, 232 00:11:36,274 --> 00:11:38,172 Tylenol would still be the leading 233 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,895 over-the-counter analgesic. 234 00:11:39,965 --> 00:11:43,620 So far, the manufacturers say they have spent $100 million 235 00:11:43,688 --> 00:11:46,067 in recalling the product, testing it, and developing 236 00:11:46,136 --> 00:11:47,206 the new package. 237 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:48,895 - The public relations nightmare 238 00:11:48,965 --> 00:11:51,517 that they had to endure, even though it's a good product, 239 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:53,067 it works. 240 00:11:53,136 --> 00:11:56,447 How do you respond to a tampering of your main product 241 00:11:56,517 --> 00:11:58,517 that you can't control? 242 00:11:58,586 --> 00:12:00,344 They survived. 243 00:12:00,413 --> 00:12:03,206 - Tylenol makers showed a survey that indicated 244 00:12:03,274 --> 00:12:06,895 the number of people likely to buy Tylenol in the future 245 00:12:06,965 --> 00:12:12,172 now has jumped from 40% to 59% in just five weeks 246 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,033 since the Tylenol tragedy. 247 00:12:14,102 --> 00:12:19,586 - This is why we believe we can rebuild the business. 248 00:12:19,654 --> 00:12:21,274 Our consumers want us to. 249 00:12:21,344 --> 00:12:24,136 - Today, seven weeks later, Mayor Byrne lifted the ban. 250 00:12:24,206 --> 00:12:26,758 Tamper-resistant packages of new Tylenol products 251 00:12:26,826 --> 00:12:28,102 can be sold. 252 00:12:28,172 --> 00:12:29,826 Representatives of major chain stores 253 00:12:29,895 --> 00:12:32,931 were there, Jewel, Dominick's, Walgreens, Treasure Island, 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,931 in support of the return of Tylenol. 255 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,861 There too the chairman and president of McNeil consumer 256 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:39,481 products, maker of Tylenol. 257 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:42,274 - There is understandably a measure of caution 258 00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:44,688 in the minds of the Chicago consumer 259 00:12:44,758 --> 00:12:47,965 with regard to capsule products in general. 260 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:53,000 And... but nevertheless, we are encouraged 261 00:12:53,067 --> 00:12:55,481 by the signs of support... 262 00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:57,344 expressed signs of support 263 00:12:57,413 --> 00:12:59,793 that the Chicago consumer is evidence. 264 00:12:59,861 --> 00:13:01,758 - The ban has been lifted, pharmacies 265 00:13:01,826 --> 00:13:02,861 will carry the product. 266 00:13:02,931 --> 00:13:04,379 But will people buy it? 267 00:13:04,447 --> 00:13:06,000 - Maybe the ca... 268 00:13:06,067 --> 00:13:08,000 tablets, but not capsules. 269 00:13:08,067 --> 00:13:09,517 - Even though they're in three layers 270 00:13:09,586 --> 00:13:12,067 of tamper-resistant packaging? 271 00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:13,871 - I would probably buy them. Yeah, I guess so. 272 00:13:13,895 --> 00:13:15,000 - Would you buy Tylenol? 273 00:13:15,067 --> 00:13:16,517 - No, I don't think I will. 274 00:13:16,586 --> 00:13:19,206 - Well, they're difficult to open, aren't they? 275 00:13:19,274 --> 00:13:21,033 I mean, I kind of got it. 276 00:13:21,102 --> 00:13:24,861 But, I mean, this changed everything for us, didn't it? 277 00:13:24,931 --> 00:13:27,586 In other words, this is the way of life. 278 00:13:27,654 --> 00:13:29,413 I couldn't just open up... absent-mindedly 279 00:13:29,481 --> 00:13:30,601 open up a bottle of aspirin. 280 00:13:30,654 --> 00:13:34,000 I had to go... right? 281 00:13:34,067 --> 00:13:36,043 And try to get it off, and then break the seal and... 282 00:13:36,067 --> 00:13:37,320 - This is still a pain in the rear end 283 00:13:37,344 --> 00:13:39,102 to open if it's... regardless of 20 284 00:13:39,172 --> 00:13:41,136 years old or at 90 something. 285 00:13:41,206 --> 00:13:42,895 - Why does it take me five minutes 286 00:13:42,965 --> 00:13:46,033 to open this pill bottle? 287 00:13:46,102 --> 00:13:52,620 Well, it's better than being dead. 288 00:13:52,688 --> 00:13:54,758 - According to the paper's Sunday edition, 289 00:13:54,826 --> 00:13:57,206 the note was included along with other materials 290 00:13:57,274 --> 00:13:59,481 from James Lewis in Friday's mail. 291 00:13:59,551 --> 00:14:01,895 In the note, fugitive James Lewis says, 292 00:14:01,965 --> 00:14:05,379 neither he nor his wife are responsible for the seven 293 00:14:05,447 --> 00:14:07,033 cyanide murders. 294 00:14:07,102 --> 00:14:10,067 The note says, "As you have probably guessed, my wife 295 00:14:10,136 --> 00:14:13,654 "and I have not committed the Chicago area Tylenol murders. 296 00:14:13,724 --> 00:14:16,000 "We do not go around killing people. 297 00:14:16,067 --> 00:14:18,379 We never have, and we never shall." 298 00:14:18,447 --> 00:14:20,447 The paper says the envelope the note came in 299 00:14:20,517 --> 00:14:22,654 had a New York City postmark 300 00:14:22,724 --> 00:14:24,413 suggesting the Lewis couple might still 301 00:14:24,481 --> 00:14:27,136 be in New York, where they were last seen October 302 00:14:27,206 --> 00:14:29,447 14th at this Midtown hotel. 303 00:14:29,517 --> 00:14:31,067 Today, Illinois Attorney General 304 00:14:31,136 --> 00:14:33,724 Tyrone Faner said he had no doubt 305 00:14:33,793 --> 00:14:35,000 that the note was authentic. 306 00:14:35,067 --> 00:14:37,551 He had a message for Lewis. 307 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:40,000 - We'd like you to consider turning yourself in. 308 00:14:40,067 --> 00:14:41,827 It's our feeling that if you continue to run, 309 00:14:41,895 --> 00:14:43,206 you'll be caught in any event. 310 00:14:43,274 --> 00:14:44,758 I can understand your running, 311 00:14:44,826 --> 00:14:46,206 if indeed you are responsible 312 00:14:46,274 --> 00:14:47,965 for the terrible cyanide murders. 313 00:14:48,033 --> 00:14:50,067 But if your letter to us is true, 314 00:14:50,136 --> 00:14:53,447 that is all the more reason for you to turn yourself in. 315 00:14:53,517 --> 00:14:57,102 If you were indeed innocent, we will help you prove it. 316 00:14:57,172 --> 00:14:59,586 If you are innocent, your continued hiding is pointless. 317 00:14:59,654 --> 00:15:01,113 We'd like you to consider that since you've 318 00:15:01,136 --> 00:15:03,240 become a very prolific writer. 319 00:15:03,309 --> 00:15:05,620 - Whether or not Lewis accepts the attorney general's 320 00:15:05,688 --> 00:15:07,517 invitation remains to be seen. 321 00:15:07,586 --> 00:15:09,274 In the meantime, officials say they'll 322 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:11,344 intensify their search for the Lewis couple 323 00:15:11,413 --> 00:15:12,688 on the East Coast. 324 00:15:16,861 --> 00:15:18,206 - I was practicing out of state 325 00:15:18,274 --> 00:15:21,102 but joined Corboy and Demetrio in 1984 326 00:15:21,172 --> 00:15:24,620 and began working on the cases not long after that. 327 00:15:26,481 --> 00:15:29,861 Mary Kellerman, who died at age 12, and Mary Sue McFarland 328 00:15:29,931 --> 00:15:31,447 was 32. 329 00:15:31,517 --> 00:15:34,413 Mary Kellerman took the Tylenol the morning, 330 00:15:34,481 --> 00:15:36,931 I believe, of the 29th of September. 331 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,206 Her mom was at work. 332 00:15:38,274 --> 00:15:40,172 Her dad called her mom and said, 333 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,895 "She's having trouble breathing. 334 00:15:41,965 --> 00:15:43,481 Please come home." 335 00:15:43,551 --> 00:15:46,136 By the time she got home, she couldn't get 336 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:47,826 to within 100 feet of her daughter. 337 00:15:47,895 --> 00:15:49,758 Police, ambulance, whatever. 338 00:15:49,826 --> 00:15:52,344 She sees her daughter in a gurney 339 00:15:52,413 --> 00:15:54,826 going into an ambulance. 340 00:15:54,895 --> 00:15:56,758 She never saw her daughter alive. 341 00:15:58,688 --> 00:16:02,517 What stuck with me about her mother's testimony, 342 00:16:02,586 --> 00:16:03,861 she was asked, 343 00:16:03,931 --> 00:16:06,517 "What do you know about what happened that day 344 00:16:06,586 --> 00:16:08,826 at home" while she's at work? 345 00:16:08,895 --> 00:16:11,793 And she said her husband said, 346 00:16:11,861 --> 00:16:13,517 "You don't want to know what happened 347 00:16:13,586 --> 00:16:15,447 that morning in the bathroom." 348 00:16:20,067 --> 00:16:22,793 And he never told her. 349 00:16:22,861 --> 00:16:24,895 It was a horrible scene. 350 00:16:24,965 --> 00:16:27,620 Can't imagine having to see something like that 351 00:16:27,688 --> 00:16:29,965 happen to your child. 352 00:16:30,033 --> 00:16:32,586 And making the decision not to tell his wife 353 00:16:32,654 --> 00:16:37,447 was a very brave move. 354 00:16:37,517 --> 00:16:38,826 - And he shouldered it. 355 00:16:38,895 --> 00:16:40,793 - Yes, he did. 356 00:16:40,861 --> 00:16:42,447 - The investigation was ongoing, 357 00:16:42,517 --> 00:16:46,274 so there was a lot they couldn't tell us. 358 00:16:46,344 --> 00:16:50,172 But the clear opinion I drew from talking with those people 359 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,102 was that James Lewis was the guy. 360 00:16:52,172 --> 00:16:56,102 - I think he was arrested, or at least found 361 00:16:56,172 --> 00:16:58,136 in a library in New York City. 362 00:16:59,895 --> 00:17:01,481 - James Lewis was sitting alone 363 00:17:01,551 --> 00:17:03,413 in a New York City library 364 00:17:03,481 --> 00:17:06,586 going through lists of newspapers and periodicals 365 00:17:06,654 --> 00:17:09,517 when someone recognized him from a wanted poster. 366 00:17:09,586 --> 00:17:13,000 - After lunch today, Monday, we received a telephone call 367 00:17:13,067 --> 00:17:15,618 at the New York FBI office that an individual answering 368 00:17:15,689 --> 00:17:18,204 the description of James Lewis, as set forth 369 00:17:18,275 --> 00:17:21,275 in his wanted poster, was at the New York Public Library 370 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:22,791 on 40th Street and Fifth Avenue. 371 00:17:22,862 --> 00:17:24,963 We sent agents up there, they located 372 00:17:25,034 --> 00:17:28,204 the man, placed him under arrest, brought him down here. 373 00:17:28,275 --> 00:17:31,826 - Chicago detectives flew out of O'Hare tonight for New York 374 00:17:31,895 --> 00:17:33,895 to question James Lewis, not just 375 00:17:33,964 --> 00:17:37,378 about extortion, but about the Tylenol murders as well. 376 00:17:37,448 --> 00:17:39,792 - He is high on our list of people 377 00:17:39,862 --> 00:17:41,147 that we have to determine whether or not 378 00:17:41,172 --> 00:17:42,586 he's responsible. 379 00:17:42,654 --> 00:17:44,481 - Lewis has denied any role in the poisoning 380 00:17:44,550 --> 00:17:47,481 of seven Chicago area residents in late September. 381 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:49,619 - "Because I love my country America, 382 00:17:49,689 --> 00:17:52,136 "I have a deep and abiding respect for the law. 383 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:53,895 "I love my wife LeAnn. 384 00:17:53,964 --> 00:17:55,481 I love her very much." 385 00:17:55,550 --> 00:17:58,103 - Authorities had established that Lewis and his wife 386 00:17:58,172 --> 00:18:00,136 were registered at a New York hotel 387 00:18:00,205 --> 00:18:02,586 at the time of the murders in Chicago. 388 00:18:02,654 --> 00:18:05,344 But investigators now are checking airline records 389 00:18:05,413 --> 00:18:06,792 between the two cities. 390 00:18:06,862 --> 00:18:10,000 In other words, where was Lewis when poison was placed 391 00:18:10,067 --> 00:18:12,792 on the shelves of this store where Tylenol victim Paula 392 00:18:12,862 --> 00:18:15,309 Prentiss shopped, and on the shelves of other stores 393 00:18:15,378 --> 00:18:17,000 resulting in seven deaths? 394 00:18:17,067 --> 00:18:19,034 That is the question authorities want answered. 395 00:18:20,723 --> 00:18:23,758 - He wrote a letter to the Johnson and Johnson, 396 00:18:23,826 --> 00:18:26,240 which distributed the Tylenol capsules, 397 00:18:26,309 --> 00:18:30,172 and said, "You want... you want me to stop poisoning people? 398 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,481 Then you give me a million dollars." 399 00:18:32,550 --> 00:18:35,067 That was insane. 400 00:18:35,136 --> 00:18:38,344 - And he said he waited for the first national tragedy 401 00:18:38,413 --> 00:18:41,136 to come along after he hatched this plan. 402 00:18:41,205 --> 00:18:43,550 Could have been a plane wreck, the sinking 403 00:18:43,619 --> 00:18:45,862 of a ship, an airplane... 404 00:18:45,931 --> 00:18:47,723 an airplane crash. 405 00:18:47,792 --> 00:18:50,413 Turned out to be the Tylenol killings. 406 00:18:50,481 --> 00:18:52,448 - Only hours after he was seized, 407 00:18:52,517 --> 00:18:55,413 his wife was on the phone with her attorney in Chicago. 408 00:18:55,481 --> 00:18:56,837 - She was concerned for her husband. 409 00:18:56,862 --> 00:18:58,275 She was. She was apprehensive. 410 00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:00,619 She wasn't too concerned for herself, 411 00:19:00,689 --> 00:19:02,964 except that her whole conversation 412 00:19:03,034 --> 00:19:06,689 with respect to her husband and her great concern for him. 413 00:19:06,758 --> 00:19:09,448 She indicated to give him a message that she loved him. 414 00:19:09,517 --> 00:19:11,103 - As soon as she arrived at O'Hare, 415 00:19:11,172 --> 00:19:14,240 LeAnn Lewis was rushed in an unmarked car by FBI agents 416 00:19:14,309 --> 00:19:16,689 to the Dirksen Federal Building downtown. 417 00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:19,275 Immediately, U.S. Attorney Dan Webb asked for a 418 00:19:19,344 --> 00:19:21,136 $5 million bond. 419 00:19:21,205 --> 00:19:24,309 - The government is saying her husband is charged, 420 00:19:24,378 --> 00:19:26,758 or may be charged with these crimes, 421 00:19:26,826 --> 00:19:29,136 therefore, she should be penalized 422 00:19:29,205 --> 00:19:31,275 in that her husband is the subject 423 00:19:31,344 --> 00:19:32,458 of these other investigations. 424 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:35,000 And that's obviously not fair. 425 00:19:35,067 --> 00:19:36,826 - As of tonight, Mrs. Lewis is only 426 00:19:36,895 --> 00:19:38,240 charged with having a fraudulent 427 00:19:38,309 --> 00:19:40,723 social security card. 428 00:19:44,344 --> 00:19:46,758 - This is the Dirksen Federal Building, 429 00:19:46,826 --> 00:19:48,964 otherwise known as the U.S. Courthouse, 430 00:19:49,034 --> 00:19:50,413 where all federal trials are held 431 00:19:50,481 --> 00:19:51,964 in the Northern District of Illinois. 432 00:19:52,034 --> 00:19:53,550 This is the building where James 433 00:19:53,619 --> 00:19:56,689 Lewis stood trial for the Tylenol extortion letters. 434 00:19:56,758 --> 00:19:57,941 This is the building where he was 435 00:19:57,964 --> 00:20:00,240 sentenced for those crimes. 436 00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:02,654 - Lewis was convicted only of writing an extortion 437 00:20:02,723 --> 00:20:05,550 letter to Johnson and Johnson, the makers of the painkiller. 438 00:20:05,619 --> 00:20:07,517 During his presentation to the judge, 439 00:20:07,586 --> 00:20:10,517 U.S. Attorney Dan Webb asked that the convicted extortionist 440 00:20:10,586 --> 00:20:12,723 be given the maximum 20 years, 441 00:20:12,792 --> 00:20:15,103 calling Lewis a walking crimewave. 442 00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:17,205 Webb claimed that Lewis had attacked and tried 443 00:20:17,275 --> 00:20:19,586 to kill his parents in 1966 444 00:20:19,654 --> 00:20:21,344 and said there is evidence linking 445 00:20:21,413 --> 00:20:25,136 Lewis to a dismemberment murder in Kansas City in 1978. 446 00:20:25,205 --> 00:20:26,654 As for the extortion letter, 447 00:20:26,723 --> 00:20:28,931 Webb called it evil and depraved. 448 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,723 Lewis, acting as his own attorney, 449 00:20:30,792 --> 00:20:32,550 launched into an hour-long rambling 450 00:20:32,619 --> 00:20:34,103 defense of his record. 451 00:20:34,172 --> 00:20:36,309 "The Justice Department wants to show," Lewis said, 452 00:20:36,378 --> 00:20:37,931 "That I am a criminal genius. 453 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,586 That is not the case." 454 00:20:39,654 --> 00:20:41,275 He went on, "I do not lie. 455 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:42,275 "I do not cheat. 456 00:20:42,344 --> 00:20:43,792 I do not steal." 457 00:20:43,862 --> 00:20:46,103 Said Judge McGarr, "In the face of two felony 458 00:20:46,172 --> 00:20:48,481 convictions, that is a pretty hollow claim." 459 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:49,826 Then the sentence. 460 00:20:49,895 --> 00:20:51,689 10 years in federal prison. 461 00:20:51,758 --> 00:20:54,481 - I have great confidence in Judge McGarr's discretion. 462 00:20:54,550 --> 00:20:56,240 I believe that the sentence that 463 00:20:56,309 --> 00:20:58,205 was imposed of a 10-year consecutive sentence 464 00:20:58,275 --> 00:20:59,586 is a very fair sentence. 465 00:20:59,654 --> 00:21:01,205 I'm very pleased with the sentence. 466 00:21:01,275 --> 00:21:02,862 - But Webb also said, "The question 467 00:21:02,931 --> 00:21:04,413 "of Lewis' possible involvement 468 00:21:04,481 --> 00:21:06,067 "in the Tylenol killings 469 00:21:06,136 --> 00:21:08,378 has not been cleared up to his satisfaction." 470 00:21:08,448 --> 00:21:10,964 - I cannot eradicate the fact that 471 00:21:11,034 --> 00:21:14,619 he sent the letter itself which confessed the Tylenol murders. 472 00:21:14,689 --> 00:21:16,619 I can't take away the fact that he has 473 00:21:16,689 --> 00:21:18,517 a bizarre background. 474 00:21:18,586 --> 00:21:21,481 I can't take away the fact that in certain interviews 475 00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:25,034 that I revealed in court today in which Mr. Lewis in effect 476 00:21:25,103 --> 00:21:27,205 started to discuss how these murders might 477 00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:30,275 have been conducted, in which he went into elaborate detail. 478 00:21:30,344 --> 00:21:31,458 When you put all of those together, 479 00:21:31,481 --> 00:21:33,654 I am not about to sit here and say 480 00:21:33,723 --> 00:21:35,413 that he's no longer a suspect. 481 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:41,000 - After his conviction, Lewis volunteered 482 00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:46,792 to assist the FBI and me in investigating 483 00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:48,034 the Tylenol killings. 484 00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:50,448 He said he was very bright, well-read, 485 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:52,423 understood how government works, and had a lot of time 486 00:21:52,448 --> 00:21:55,000 on his hands, and he offered his assistance. 487 00:21:55,067 --> 00:21:57,654 So the pictures on this wall represent 488 00:21:57,723 --> 00:22:00,103 a portion of different events and circumstances 489 00:22:00,172 --> 00:22:02,517 IN my public career. 490 00:22:02,586 --> 00:22:04,689 This is James Lewis. 491 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:06,550 This is actually Mr. Lewis. 492 00:22:06,619 --> 00:22:08,619 This is his drilled board method. 493 00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:10,067 His words, not mine. 494 00:22:10,136 --> 00:22:13,378 Where you drill these holes into this little plywood 495 00:22:13,448 --> 00:22:18,067 contraption, put the bottom capsule into this hole, 496 00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:20,654 put a mound of cyanide on top of the board. 497 00:22:20,723 --> 00:22:25,413 Scrape it across with a bread knife, clean up the excess. 498 00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:27,275 Put the tops of the capsules in, 499 00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:29,931 load them into the Tylenol bottles, 500 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,964 and put them on the store shelves. 501 00:22:33,034 --> 00:22:33,964 - So he drew that? 502 00:22:34,034 --> 00:22:35,309 - He drew that. 503 00:22:35,378 --> 00:22:38,067 This is a photocopy of his original drawing. 504 00:22:38,136 --> 00:22:40,964 He speculated... hypothesized on how the killings 505 00:22:41,034 --> 00:22:42,378 might have taken place. 506 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:45,654 - What were you thinking when he first gave you that? 507 00:22:45,723 --> 00:22:49,172 - Bizarre to put it mildly. 508 00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:55,862 He spent a great deal of time... many, many hours... 509 00:22:55,931 --> 00:22:58,240 thinking, ruminating, and preparing these manuscripts 510 00:22:58,309 --> 00:22:59,931 and these drawings. 511 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,654 But he was always very careful to explain 512 00:23:02,723 --> 00:23:06,481 that this was speculation, these were all hypotheticals. 513 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:10,240 These were merely his musings to try to give us 514 00:23:10,309 --> 00:23:12,034 investigative ideas that might lead 515 00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:14,240 to finding the Tylenol killer. 516 00:23:15,654 --> 00:23:17,078 - When you put all of those together, 517 00:23:17,103 --> 00:23:18,758 I am not about to sit here and say 518 00:23:18,826 --> 00:23:21,067 that he's no longer a suspect. 519 00:23:21,136 --> 00:23:23,550 - For the moment, he is one of 384 520 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,517 prisoners at the Metropolitan Correctional 521 00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:28,136 Center in The Loop. 522 00:23:28,205 --> 00:23:30,964 He is 37-year-old James Lewis, the man 523 00:23:31,034 --> 00:23:33,240 convicted of writing the notorious Tylenol 524 00:23:33,309 --> 00:23:34,654 extortion letter. 525 00:23:34,723 --> 00:23:36,413 - The late, great Mike Parker, of course, 526 00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:38,550 was our lead reporter on this story. 527 00:23:38,619 --> 00:23:41,895 And he's the one who got the interview with James Lewis. 528 00:23:41,964 --> 00:23:43,448 And I think that, you know, that that 529 00:23:43,517 --> 00:23:45,758 was a really groundbreaking moment in the coverage 530 00:23:45,826 --> 00:23:47,413 of the story nationally. 531 00:23:47,481 --> 00:23:49,792 - And running from the law during a nationwide manhunt, 532 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:53,481 until his arrest in New York City in December of 1982. 533 00:23:53,550 --> 00:23:56,517 - When one is the focus of that much hatred, 534 00:23:56,586 --> 00:23:59,067 it is virtually impossible for a person 535 00:23:59,136 --> 00:24:04,000 to convince very many people that he is 536 00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:05,862 not as he has been described. 537 00:24:05,931 --> 00:24:08,000 - What was it like to be on the run, 538 00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:10,309 knowing that every law enforcement 539 00:24:10,378 --> 00:24:13,103 agency in the country was looking for you? 540 00:24:13,172 --> 00:24:14,586 - It is terrifying... 541 00:24:14,654 --> 00:24:16,240 absolutely, terrifying. 542 00:24:16,309 --> 00:24:18,205 Can you imagine trying to tell your wife 543 00:24:18,275 --> 00:24:24,172 that, "Honey, I wrote a letter." 544 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,136 "Oh, yeah?" 545 00:24:26,205 --> 00:24:29,344 "Well, there's something else I need to tell you. 546 00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:34,862 They're talking about it in the radio and on TV." 547 00:24:34,931 --> 00:24:35,862 - Go on. 548 00:24:35,931 --> 00:24:37,103 Go on. 549 00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:39,413 - Just trying to explain that to your wife. 550 00:24:39,481 --> 00:24:42,034 - How did she take that? 551 00:24:42,103 --> 00:24:46,619 - She, uh, just sat and stared at the wall for a while. 552 00:24:46,689 --> 00:24:49,034 "How could you have done such a thing?" 553 00:24:49,103 --> 00:24:52,862 - So then you found yourselves running from the law? 554 00:24:52,931 --> 00:24:54,205 - Didn't really run that much. 555 00:24:54,275 --> 00:24:58,654 We just moved to another hotel and... 556 00:24:58,723 --> 00:25:00,481 just a few blocks away. 557 00:25:00,550 --> 00:25:02,517 And didn't really hide. 558 00:25:02,586 --> 00:25:07,931 We were out on the streets in New York every day. 559 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,550 For example, the Thanksgiving Day parade, 560 00:25:10,619 --> 00:25:15,000 the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade at Herald Square, 561 00:25:15,067 --> 00:25:18,240 there were about 400 policemen standing, 562 00:25:18,309 --> 00:25:20,240 waiting to get their orders on where they 563 00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:21,689 were going to be stationed. 564 00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:23,448 My wife and I walked hand in hand 565 00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:25,550 through all of those people at the time 566 00:25:25,619 --> 00:25:28,034 that this big manhunt was going on. 567 00:25:28,103 --> 00:25:29,481 We did not hide. 568 00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:31,286 - As he did throughout his trial, Lewis says he 569 00:25:31,309 --> 00:25:33,517 wrote the letter only to focus attention 570 00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:36,550 on his wife's former employer Lewis suspected 571 00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:38,103 of financial wrongdoing. 572 00:25:38,172 --> 00:25:40,862 In that letter, Lewis had asked that $1 million 573 00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:43,378 be placed in the man's bank account. 574 00:25:43,448 --> 00:25:45,275 - The letter itself is not illegal, 575 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,275 unless you have the intent. 576 00:25:47,344 --> 00:25:49,000 And there is no way that I could have 577 00:25:49,067 --> 00:25:50,895 possibly had any intent there. 578 00:25:50,964 --> 00:25:54,000 The bank account was a closed bank account. 579 00:25:54,067 --> 00:25:56,344 It was at Continental Illinois Bank. 580 00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:59,758 I had no more access to that bank account than one 581 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,275 of your gentlemen here. 582 00:26:01,344 --> 00:26:02,769 - Did you feel then that you were on trial 583 00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,034 for the Tylenol murders? 584 00:26:04,103 --> 00:26:05,172 - I did. 585 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,034 - Did you commit the Tylenol murders? 586 00:26:07,103 --> 00:26:09,067 - I did not. 587 00:26:09,136 --> 00:26:10,792 - Do you know who did? 588 00:26:10,862 --> 00:26:13,654 Do not know who did, no. 589 00:26:13,723 --> 00:26:15,895 - What do you want to say to the people of Chicago, 590 00:26:15,964 --> 00:26:17,586 and to the country, for that matter? 591 00:26:17,654 --> 00:26:20,034 - I have been subjected to an awful lot of... 592 00:26:20,103 --> 00:26:23,378 of statements in the press by government 593 00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:25,309 and a lot of other people. 594 00:26:25,378 --> 00:26:30,309 It is very, very difficult to overcome that much 595 00:26:30,378 --> 00:26:32,862 in the way of hostile statements. 596 00:26:32,931 --> 00:26:36,034 I have been the officially designated evil one 597 00:26:36,103 --> 00:26:38,240 by the Justice Department. 598 00:26:38,309 --> 00:26:41,344 When one gains that status, 599 00:26:41,413 --> 00:26:43,034 if there is such a thing as a status, 600 00:26:43,103 --> 00:26:45,205 it's a horrible status to have. 601 00:26:45,275 --> 00:26:49,723 - I don't think there's evidence that anyone else did. 602 00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:56,413 The problem is, there isn't clear physical evidence 603 00:26:56,481 --> 00:27:01,205 that's not clear physical evidence that he did. 604 00:27:01,275 --> 00:27:02,423 So I'm not the only one that was 605 00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:04,034 frustrated when it was over. 606 00:27:04,103 --> 00:27:05,596 Everybody who was in that room the first day, I'm sure 607 00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:06,964 was frustrated when it was over. 608 00:27:07,034 --> 00:27:08,862 Well, they knew what happened. 609 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:13,344 Thought they knew who probably was responsible at the end. 610 00:27:15,378 --> 00:27:16,826 There's rules. 611 00:27:16,895 --> 00:27:17,826 You follow the rules. 612 00:27:17,895 --> 00:27:18,826 You follow the law. 613 00:27:18,895 --> 00:27:20,862 You follow the evidence. 614 00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:23,378 And most of the time, you need physical evidence. 615 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:27,517 And when it came to the seven murders, 616 00:27:27,586 --> 00:27:31,309 the physical evidence was the capsules. 617 00:27:31,378 --> 00:27:32,723 But there wasn't any more. 618 00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:35,309 - When the feds couldn't even nail James Lewis, 619 00:27:35,378 --> 00:27:37,136 but let it be known in their court filings 620 00:27:37,205 --> 00:27:39,931 that there's no question in their mind he was behind this, 621 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,826 what more can law enforcement do? 622 00:27:41,895 --> 00:27:44,067 - We had a little girl, 12 years old. 623 00:27:44,136 --> 00:27:45,792 We had a brand-new mom. 624 00:27:45,862 --> 00:27:48,654 You had a family you've destroyed. 625 00:27:48,723 --> 00:27:50,205 How could anybody live with that? 626 00:27:50,275 --> 00:27:53,586 I don't understand. 627 00:27:53,654 --> 00:27:56,205 I was hoping, for years, that they would catch this guy. 628 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:57,586 I really was. 629 00:27:57,654 --> 00:27:59,654 But it doesn't look like it's going to happen. 630 00:27:59,723 --> 00:28:03,067 And let's face it, if he was... he'd be my age, right? 631 00:28:03,136 --> 00:28:05,034 Probably 40 years ago. 632 00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,862 And if he was in his 20s or 30s, 633 00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:09,931 he's going to be 70 years old by this time. 634 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,448 They haven't caught him by now. 635 00:28:11,517 --> 00:28:12,654 I don't know. 636 00:28:12,723 --> 00:28:14,044 I wish they would. I really would. 637 00:28:14,103 --> 00:28:15,550 That would be a nice... 638 00:28:15,619 --> 00:28:19,034 nice thing to... to know before I go that they got him. 639 00:28:19,103 --> 00:28:20,502 - I think, you know, there are a lot 640 00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:26,172 of people that are afraid to open and tell the truth. 641 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,172 But there might be that somebody... 642 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,792 there might be that somebody that 643 00:28:31,862 --> 00:28:35,205 will come forward and tell their story 644 00:28:35,275 --> 00:28:38,344 if they were there that day and they saw what happened. 645 00:28:38,413 --> 00:28:43,240 That would be, actually, closure for our family. 646 00:28:43,309 --> 00:28:50,067 Because that would be fair for us to know what happened. 647 00:28:50,136 --> 00:28:52,136 - Your mother never got to hear the truth? 648 00:28:52,205 --> 00:28:54,275 - She never did. 649 00:28:57,758 --> 00:28:58,895 - She just passed? 650 00:28:58,964 --> 00:29:01,723 - She just passed in December. 651 00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:10,862 - My wife, she wanted to know too the person 652 00:29:10,931 --> 00:29:12,275 that killed my brothers, too. 653 00:29:12,344 --> 00:29:16,103 She was waiting for that day, but she never... 654 00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:17,205 never got it. 655 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,895 It's... it's hard for me to live. 656 00:29:25,689 --> 00:29:28,792 But I still got my daughter, my son, my grandchildren. 657 00:29:28,862 --> 00:29:34,172 I got to live for them. 658 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,517 I'm very... every time I know... 659 00:29:39,586 --> 00:29:42,172 I think about everything, it's just... 660 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,344 it's terrible what I went through my life. 661 00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:47,517 - Do you think Lewis did it? 662 00:29:50,103 --> 00:29:53,586 - I've never speculated on who I believe did it. 663 00:29:53,654 --> 00:29:54,931 Well, I shouldn't say that. 664 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,172 I've never said publicly who I think did it. 665 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,619 - Who did it? 666 00:30:01,689 --> 00:30:04,758 - I don't discuss that. 667 00:30:04,826 --> 00:30:06,895 - Do you think you know who did it? 668 00:30:06,964 --> 00:30:11,481 - Yes. 669 00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:14,654 - If you think you know who did it, 670 00:30:14,723 --> 00:30:17,000 some might think the families of the victims 671 00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:21,481 are owed that knowledge. 672 00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:23,723 - I think what the victims' families 673 00:30:23,792 --> 00:30:27,103 are owed is ultimate justice. 674 00:30:27,172 --> 00:30:31,723 And my opinion of who did it isn't justice. 675 00:30:31,792 --> 00:30:33,792 That's just my opinion. 676 00:30:33,862 --> 00:30:36,172 What I would like to see, and what 677 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,309 the agents who have continued to work this case 40 678 00:30:39,378 --> 00:30:41,619 years after it happened would like to see 679 00:30:41,689 --> 00:30:43,931 is the killer be brought to justice. 680 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000 And I do believe that that will happen one day. 681 00:30:47,067 --> 00:30:48,000 - You do? 682 00:30:48,067 --> 00:30:49,067 - Yes. 683 00:30:56,067 --> 00:30:57,586 - Leave the tripod. Ready? 684 00:30:57,654 --> 00:30:58,964 This could be our guy. 685 00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:01,481 "Mr. Lewis, I'm Brad. 686 00:31:01,550 --> 00:31:04,136 "I'm reporting on the Tylenol murders. 687 00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:07,344 "I named our pursuit Painkiller. 688 00:31:07,413 --> 00:31:09,862 Are you the Painkiller?" 689 00:31:09,931 --> 00:31:12,964 - The man in that photo is Lewis Richardson, 690 00:31:13,034 --> 00:31:14,378 whatever his name is. 691 00:31:14,448 --> 00:31:18,964 - James Lewis tried to kill his parents June of '66. 692 00:31:19,034 --> 00:31:20,275 Do you know who that is? 693 00:31:21,895 --> 00:31:24,758 James Lewis, ever heard of him? 694 00:31:24,826 --> 00:31:27,000 What are the odds they talk to me? 695 00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:28,458 All right, I'm going to throw a mic on you. 696 00:31:28,481 --> 00:31:29,872 - I'm Sergeant Joe Murphy with the Arlington 697 00:31:29,895 --> 00:31:31,034 Heights Police department. 698 00:31:31,103 --> 00:31:32,113 I'm one of the investigators assigned 699 00:31:32,136 --> 00:31:33,689 to the Tylenol murders. 700 00:31:33,758 --> 00:31:36,067 - This was the scene four years ago in Kansas City 701 00:31:36,136 --> 00:31:37,862 when police found the dismembered body 702 00:31:37,931 --> 00:31:41,758 of 72-year-old Raymond West, a friend of James Lewis. 703 00:31:41,826 --> 00:31:45,034 - If you're searching the house for Raymond West, 704 00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:48,034 why don't you go to the goddamn basement 705 00:31:48,103 --> 00:31:49,792 and see if he's down there? 706 00:31:49,862 --> 00:31:51,481 - Lewis. 707 00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:53,931 - We're actively pursuing this investigation. 708 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,826 This is not collecting dust on a shelf. 709 00:31:56,895 --> 00:31:58,517 - Hi. Mr. Lewis? 54622

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