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TV tonight on PSG on sensed hundreds of

people are reportedly killed in an air

strike on a hospital in Gaza City

President Biden heads to Israel tomorrow

as it forces prepare a deadly ground

Invasion I'll talk live to bassm MF and

we'll debate how can Israel be

proportionate about Terror also tonight

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exclusively live from the news building

in London this is Pierce Morgan

uncensored well good evening from London

welcome to Piers Morgan on sensor the

parallels between 911 and last week's

atrocities in Israel are painfully

obvious these were murderous terrorists

religious Fanatics who killed with

barbaric impunity on Sovereign land as I

said yesterday the proportion of the

Israeli population murdered in these

attacks was equivalent to 30,000

Americans being killed on us soil it's

no wonder Israel is expect a strong

response and Israel as I keep saying has

every right to defend itself from Hamas

going forward but the aftermath of 911

taught us some tough lessons too Across

the Western World there was a fervor for

Revenge

President Bush spoke for many when he

said

this I can hear

you I can hear you the rest of the world

hears you and the

people and the people who knock these

buildings down will hear all of us

soon with popular rhetoric with that

yearning for justice to commer America

and its allies including Britain into a

trap first G the war on terror in

Afghanistan lasted 20 years cost more

than $2 trillion to countless lives and

ultimately ended with the Taliban back

in charge of the country next came the

illegal invasion of Iraq which had

nothing much to do with Bin Laden or

Al-Qaeda and turned into a disaster more

than a million died Iraq became a

breeding ground for Isis a my superious

excuse for the war but Saddam Hussein

had weapons of mass destruction turned

out to be a credibility slaying lie well

the situation is very different but the

potential perils are the same there's no

dispute that Hamas committed these

attacks because they they've repulsively

boasted about it and threatened more but

a full-blown invasion of Gaza will be

horribly difficult to execute retired

General David betrus who commanded

Allied Forces in Iraq describes it like

this I almost can't imagine a more

challenging contextual set of

circumstances here than what they face

there are tunnels there will will be

rooms that will have improvised

explosive devices you have to clear

every building every floor every room

every basement every tunnel civilian

losses are inevitable and tough Israeli

losses lie ahead as well well civilian

deaths are sadly inevitable that is the

Grim reality of War if Israel gets this

wrong it could turn into a long deadly

and much expanded War which fuels the

next generation of terrorists and

unleashes Chaos across the whole region

Palestinian authorities already say that

more than 3,000 civilians have been

killed by Israeli air strike since last

week tonight the Hamas controlled

authorities in Gaza say a hospital has

been blown up and what they say was an

Israeli air strike that up to 500 people

could have died if it turns out to be

true and there are conflicting reports

as I came on air that it may have been a

misfired Hamas rocket so we'll have to

wait for verification on this then it

could be a massive turning point in this

war every day now the civilian death

toll is going to climb it will Skyrocket

of course with any ground Invasion and

every image like the ones we're seeing

tonight will pile more pressure on

Israel to show restraint to be

proportionate I'll be honest I don't

know what a proportionate response is to

what happened on October the 7th how can

anything be proportionate to the murder

of babies in their beds to the slaughter

of 260 people in a music festival to the

kidnapping of a holocaust Survivor and

198 other hostages to the burning aive

of innocent families together in their

homes I honestly don't have the answer

to that question but it's one that

Israel will have to ask your and soon

well joining me now to discuss the

conflict in Israel and Gaza it's a TV

host in Satur Bassam YF Bassam it's

great to have you back on the program I

wish it was under different

circumstances um first of all what is

your reaction to What happened on

October the

7th oh it was terrible of course I mean

we kind of get our news kind of also

secondhand because you know my my wife's

family they live in Gaza they they have

uh cousins and uncles there um and uh

their house also was bombed we haven't

been able to communicate with them for

the past three days communication are

lost so we don't know actually what is

the uh how is like how are they're doing

but you know we're used to that I mean

it's it just like it's it's it's very

repetitive we used to that we used to

them being bombed every time and moving

from one place to the other uh you know

it's just like those Palestinians

they're very dramatic ah Israel killing

us but they never die I mean they always

come back you know they they're very

difficult to kill very difficult people

to kill I know because I'm married to

one I tried many times couldn't kill her

I mean there's a dark humor there and I

understand why because no it's not dark

hum I really I try to get to her every

time but she uses our kids as human

Shields I can never take her

out again I understand the the human but

I to be serious basam about this tonight

there is okay I will be serious no I I I

I will be serious I was watching your

interview with Ben Shapiro and I'll will

tell you one thing I think that Ben

Shapiro is one of the smartest people

who ever walked this Earth he's very

very smart I follow him and I believe

everything he said and when he came out

on your show his solution was and I

quote his solution was that the solution

for this is for Israel to Annex Gaza and

to kill as many son of [ __ ] as

possible to make sure that this will

never happen again and anyone anyone who

call for a ceasefire will be a terrorist

sympathizer so God forbid I don't want

to be labeled as a terrorist sympathizer

so I agree with Ben shapir I think we

should kill as many son of [ __ ] as

possible so

far so far 3,500 people were killed

including 5,000 son of [ __ ] in the

bombing of the Baptist uh uh uh hospital

as we speak right now onethird of those

3,500 were children so my question to

Ben Shapiro is how many more son of

[ __ ] do we need to kill so Ben

Shapiro is happy because it changes from

changes from I'm I'm I'm sorry that

listen I'm I'm I'm really at a

disadvantage here I'm looking at a

camera I don't see you I can hear you on

my the reason I'm interrupting is I

think you might be I think I think

you're conflating different interviews

with bench ofir he didn't use the phrase

sons of [ __ ] with me let me play to

you what he actually said on my he did

he did good

go back to your interview he didn't that

was another interview but let me play

what he said to me

here well I frankly I don't believe in

proportionate response to terrorism I

believe that the way that you stop

terrorism is with wildly

disproportionate response that doesn't

mean in terms of targeting civilians it

means in terms of killing as many

terrorists as humanly possible and

allowing them to dictate the terms of

Engagement by hiding behind civilians in

areas that that they are supposedly

responsible for means that the only

option for Israel is to surrender to

hamas's hatred of its own citizens its

willingness to use its own children as

human Shields no no country worth it

salt could ever do that now that is sign

substantively different to what you said

he said right he's talking there

specifically about agree with him I

agree I I I agree with him the the thing

is the question is what is a

proportionate response because it has

been different from one tier to other so

if you look to this graph for example

this is the death of Israeli and

Palestinians and it's changing from one

year to year it's like fluctuating like

crypto so my question is today what is

the going rate to day for human lives I

mean 2014 was a great year for Ben

chapiro 88 Israelis were died and there

was

2329 Palestinians killed on the other

side that is one Israeli for 27 uh

Palestinian that is a very good exchange

rate what I'm saying is what is the

exchange rate for today so you guys will

be happy that's my question well it's

not me it's not me guys I I I'm not on

either side not you like when I say you

guys I say like the people on the other

side of that I know that you you don't

think like that appears you one of the

good guys but let me tell you something

I mean I'm the reason that I'm I'm using

this is that I mean I could I can't

remember what happened in 2014 and there

was no music festival but there there

must be something I mean they must do

something it is their fault it has to be

something I mean 2018 300 Palestinian

died ah who's counting you know so the

thing is what my question is let's find

what is the exchange rate for human life

today so we know expect the fure future

death of Palestinians and will be happy

to it my my response to that would be

this B I thought carefully about this

because I think it's very tricky for

people like me to immerse ourselves into

a conflict where we're not directly

involved and I thought carefully about

what I feel about this I feel that the

scale of what Hamas did on October the

7th supersedes anything else I've seen

in this conflict really ever that the

the savagery The Butchery the slaughter

of 1300 people the shooting of babies

the kidnapping of grandmother and so on

so if if we can agree on that which I

think is inarguable then the question

then becomes again about proportion I I

don't disagree that there's been a lot

of bad stuff on both sides going back

historically for decades but if we agree

that this was on a different level

altogether quite deliberately by Hamas

designed designed to provoke designed to

here my question let me ask you a

question and and the question you you

raised it earlier about proportion I

honestly don't know what the

proportionate response is uh I I I

honestly don't I I don't I've been

watching the air strik what's your

question well I was asked I well I would

ask you if you were Israel what would

you was Israel if you were Israel and

that had happened to you what would you

think would be the appropriate way for

the country to respond I would do

exactly like Israel did Kill as many

people as possible since the the the

word is letting me do it I mean I I can

do it because I can you know but but the

thing is you know what I agree with you

and you know what I'm going to be even

ahead of you because I see the question

coming do you condemn Hames for the atro

yes I condemn Hames I condemn Hamas I

condemn Hamas is the source of all evil

there for and you know what let's for a

minute imagine a world without Hamas

right what will this word look like

let's give this word a name and let's

name this word the West Bank Hamas has

absolutely no control in the West Bank

and since the beginning of this stre

only through August 37 pales kids were

killed no music festival no paragliding

no Hamas since the occupation of the

West Bank 7,000 Palestinians were killed

no music festival no paragliding no

Hamas I can go on and on and on and

on because in a way in a way you're

preaching to the choir i' I've followed

this crisis Oh no you're not preaching

so the thing is like sense I know I know

that what you're saying has validity of

course of course Pier Pierce by the way

Pier Pierce Pierce I am at a

disadvantage here I can hear you I

cannot see you I am in a claustrophobic

room and so please cut me some slack and

don't interrupt me and interrupt my

points sure so because this this this

has to be fair because if you want to

only hear your opinion I can just

condemn Hames and go home I can do that

so if you do you want to do that or do

you have a much more Nuance conversation

no I absolutely want to have a Nuance

conversation I wasn't aware I was

interrupting you I amazing so let's I

mean I mean I would say I would say I

really applaud Israel for doing one

thing that no military force in the

world does because I heard I heard Ben

Shapiro and I heard Rond santis and they

said they said Israel is the only

military force in the world that warns

civilians before bombing them I mean how

[ __ ] cute that is so nice of them

because with this logic if Russian

troops started warning ukrainians before

bombing their houses we're cool with

Putin right I mean okay Habibi you have

warned them go invade it's fine you have

done your job job I mean the thing is

and I understand and I also heard Ben

Shapiro talking about uh about human

shield so you remember my wife's family

they live in Gaza so I asked them I told

them when Israel give you the nice

warning the cute warning does Hamas

force you to stay in your home so you

can be bombed and use a as as human

shield you know what Hass here my my

wife's uh my wife's cousin he's a he's

he's a loser you know he he told me you

know when I asked him does that happen

he told me no the lying son of a [ __ ]

lied to me I told him you don't

understand Ben Shapiro and Rond santis

keep saying that Israel warns you and

Hamas asked you to keep to stay put so I

I I told you he's a loser he never kept

a job he even like failed in all of the

interviews to become like a human shield

I I I would believe Ben shapir let ask

so let's go with that no no no let's no

no let me ask you at some point I must

be to ask question it's

not if we agree if we agree the the 14th

,000 casualties I mean who's counting

are human shield does that mean that

every single one of those civilians was

standing obscuring a military Target

behind them because that's a lot of

weapons I mean Hamas is packing no of

course it doesn't and look I you know it

do so so so there is some collateral

damage lots of collateral damage yes

it's fine yeah you kill you kill some to

save some and then kill some more yeah I

agree yeah yeah yeah I would let me ask

you this again it comes back to

proportionate response when the world

when the world decided it had to get rid

of Isis because of the appalling

Butchery they were carrying out uh it

did so by by also killing very sadly a

lot of civilians along the way by doing

air strikes against places which killing

civilians are in said that in the

beginning point it's inevitable but once

Israel once Israel has decided that they

want to get rid of Hamas and Hamas is

embedded with cilian population I'm very

concerned about what's going to happen

next I've written a column tonight

saying I remember

which I oppos right I remember all this

so my question for you is what would be

what would you think would be an

appropriate response by Israel to what

happened well well the these are years

of disproportionate responses of Israel

did it solve the solution did it solve

the problem did did it work before so it

will what what will be the surprise this

time what will be the twist that will

make this work this time what what will

be different this time seriously I mean

like this is only the last 15 years I

mean because it's too too many PE papers

I just got this but what how will this

will be different and the thing is it I

am so glad in the introduction that you

mentioned the Iraq War I applaud you

Pier for saying that because you were

honest about it you said that spreading

lies like wmds make people look at those

people as less of humans and they would

accept the death of a million Iraqi

whether by sh sanctions or by Invasion

right you are you you are a good man

this is amazing and you know what is

similar is when you spread the lies of

40 decapitated babies although it was

refuted so what happens when people hear

that you know killing babies is horrible

but when you say decapitated 40 babies

you are planting a certain image a

certain trigger in people's mind who has

said that who has said 4 said that you

have said 40 decapitate who has said

that you have you have repeat no no I

haven't what I've never said that you

haven't said on your show 40 decapitated

babies never Ben Pi didn't say it Ronda

Sanz didn't say it nobody has said okay

P nobody said it no oh okay okay maybe I

am wrong decapitated here you're wrong

I've never said that the thing what

happened what yeah well no you're you're

wrong but the thing is when Iraq the

thing is the same thing is happening in

Iraq Ben Shapiro once tweeted not even

about Gaza about the West Bank when

Israel continued to build the illegal

set he said 2017 Israel likes to build

things and Arabs not Palestine not Hamas

Arabs like the bomb crap and live in

open sewage yeah I thought that was very

very isra the Israeli defense the isra

defense minister he said those are human

animals and the thing is Ben shapir

should know better because you know long

before the Holocaust before Jewish

people were thrown in the gas

Chambers the Nazi propaganda called them

rats now as a human being I will never

accept that another human being being

thrown in a into a g chamber but a rat

kill a 10 kill a thand 3,500 they are

son of a bit they are human animals who

live in open sewage and decapitate

babies and because of that propaganda Mr

Morgan that guy in Illinois the 71 years

old guy he killed stabbing the six years

old Palestinian kid in Ino 26 times and

he used to play with him they used to be

friends but he went in marching into

their apartment stabbing his mother and

killing him shouting all Muslims could

die it took you8 years to change one

word from Jewish to Muslim and then you

transferred your guilt to us and took

away our land let me ask let me ask you

a question that deal sucks man let me

ask you a question uh how do we get from

where we are now to

peace well first of all you need to

change the perception uh Nikki Haley the

American presidential candidate said we

are in Israel in this because it's a

fight between EV Good and Evil now if

you already decided someone is good he

can do no evil and if you decided

someone is evil it's good to kill them

killing them is good you see the thing

is it is it is not like something new I

mean I I I look at history and I see I'm

sorry to say and I'm sorry to say this

but westerners has always dealt like

this with indigenous people you first

treated them like Savages you know

Native American First Nation Aboriginal

they're Savages kill all the Savages and

then when they almost extinct you start

feeling sorry for them you know like

animals so maybe maybe the solution is

that we kill as many Palestinians as

possible so the few of them that remains

do not bother you and maybe talking for

another 100 years become a tree hugger

let me just challenge you on this and he

will campaign for for preserving the

keep talking about westerners like me

okay so let me return the favor okay

Hamas is dedicated to the complete

eradication of Jewish people I am not

the spokesman for H why do you why do

you spokesman [ __ ] hate them [ __ ]

ham are you happy you're missing my

point you're talking in a generalized

way about people in the west who always

talk about Arabs as Savages I don't no

no no I'm

talking actually the campaign I led the

media campaign in this country against

the Iraq War okay so I don't see I don't

see people in the Middle East savages

the good ones but what I say talking

about you you're great no no it's not

about me being it's about it's about the

way Hamas behaved on October the 7th was

like Savages like a pack of savages it

was the worst atrocity against Jewish

people since the Holocaust there has to

be of there has to be a response and my

question beic my question for you ising

the history B what is the proportionate

response but I don't know but there's no

Hamas in the West Bank and there's still

lying there so what's your excuse I

don't have any

excuse okay what's what's your

explanation sorry sorry uh my earpiece

went down I I listen I don't make any

pretense that this hasn't been a massive

problem okay between Palestine and

Israel going back to the mid-40s we all

know this right I I'm I'm I'm yeah yeah

yeah Pierce Pierce Pierce listen I'm not

saying that you're making excus but if

you are adopting a certain point of view

you have to at least defend it I'm

telling you there is no Hamas in the

West Bank what is what is the excuse not

your excuse what is the excuse to kill

those

people well it's listen this question of

proportionality is one that no no no

answer my question I've been answering

your question you answer mine it's

actually not my job to answer your

questions it's not okay not your not

your job I I I agree with you I'm more

interested in you who has family in Gaza

who's an A in the Middle East right I'm

more interested in what you have to say

okay I'm telling you I'm telling you

think Hamas is the problem okay now

let's say Hamas is removed let's ham

yeah I I I'm agreeing with everything

about I you want me to go Hamas I will

condemn Hamas hus Hass everybody guys

say wait I can't hear you the uh the

earpiece damn okay

oops okay yeah uh I I do need I think I

think just go go back is he there you go

back you go back go back okay go thank

you guys can you hear yeah yeah now I

can hear so here's the thing can you

hear okay so is let's say for example

Hamas ceased to exist okay do you hear

me yes yeah Hamas ceased to exist today

now right now in Palestine in West Bank

and and uh and Gaza 20% of Palestinians

go through Israeli prison system whether

imprisonment whether interrogation

whether torture and the rest of them

they live a life of daily loss of land

of homes of life and they are they are

suffocated by the so let me ask you

something if you are a Palestinian

living into these conditions for decades

would you would you sympathize with your

oppressor or sympathize with the people

who claim they resist them even if they

are terrorists I have made I have made

no secret that I think the conditions

Palestinians have had to exist under are

completely unacceptable I've said that

for years so the question then becomes

how do you forge peace between two

Waring parts of that region who for

decades have approached peace in my view

with mutual sledgehammers with no actual

desire to have peace and I think it

comes down in the end to great

leadership and I I don't think there's

great leadership I don't think well hang

on let me make my point I don't think

there's great leadership on either side

where is the Nelson Mandela figure here

to come through all this hat on both

Mandela where is that

Mandela NE Nelson Mandela actually have

criticized Israel for being a horrible

State all of the South African activist

have actually Israel my point is about

how he how he responded to a country

that was so divided is a temp is a

template is a template for how you get

to peace isn't it I I I I haven't met

Danon Mandela so I wouldn't know but

like I I I there is a point there's a

there's a very important Point here you

know I want to understand what is the

logic of Israel carpet boming Gaza I

mean if there's a logic if there's a

good if this will make Israel safe I

want to hear the logic so if they

continue bombing what are they hoping to

achieve we know what their we know what

their stated aim is their stated aim is

to eradicate and wipe out Hamas they

believe Hamas are living are living

predominantly in Northern Gaza they also

are aware they're living amongst

civilians so it's an incredibly

difficult thing as I said as I said in

my you know it is very very difficult to

see how they do this without massive

collateral damage

so if I can understand this correctly

basically Israel is doing this to

pressure the Palestinian community in

Gaza to turn against Hamas is that right

I'm sure that's part of it yes that's

part of it so this is exactly what

terrorist organization do because

terrorist organizations will have no

chance beating a whole nation in battle

so they terrorize and they kill the

civilians in order to spread fear and

Terror so they can turn against their

government to change their policy or to

resign you have just compared Israel

with Isis no I haven't I don't I don't

see any comparison between it's going to

be the headlines tomorrow Israel is Isis

only only amongst people who weren't

listening the comparison which is more

apite is Isis and Hamas they are both

nihilistic Terror groups intent on

killing as many Jewish people and others

as they can possibly kill and you can't

you can't you can't get peace with

people like that absolutely you know

what I'm going to do something that

nobody done on your television you know

what I'm going to do on your episode I'm

I'm going to do I'm going to pretend

that I'm an Israeli citizen I'm going to

put my my myself in the in the place of

an Israeli settler in the kaputs and I

want to speak to my prime minister

Benyamin nany Mr Benyamin Netanyahu I

have voted for you because you have

promised us peace and prosperity and

security on the 7th of October those son

of [ __ ] Hamas they went into defense

that is regularly heavy heavily guarded

usually usually if there's like a dove

that comes close to it it will be shot

those people went in and they went for

six hours before IDF forces was deployed

killing our friends our families

kidnapping our grandmothers and babies

and went in I want to ask you Mr Prime

Minister after you have fractured the

Israeli community and you have [ __ ]

our courts our Supreme Courts what are

you doing with the money being given to

you to the United States also you are

carpet bombing Gaza with absolutely no

regard to our hostages our people I

heard a rumor in the kaputs that you're

doing that as an you let that happen to

as an excuse to carpet bomb Gaza so you

push them into Sinai and I didn't

believe that I like not my prime

minister he can never do that and then I

watched an interview for Danny Alon he

was your Chief advisor he was also the

Israeli ambassador to the United States

and you know what he said Mr Prime

Minister he said that the solution for

those Palestinians is to go into a vast

land of Sinai and live into tent cities

temporarily huh temporarily wink wink

until we build Gaza again and then we

invite you

back we've seen this movie before so and

I and when I saw this I couldn't explain

to my fellows in the Kuts how come our

Israeli government is trading human

lives for another piece of land so as an

Israeli citizen I need to hold my

Israeli government accountable and as an

American citizen I want to know all of

these money that we are giving to Israel

we giving them $4 billion every year Joe

Biden said it's the best investment they

ever America ever done well I if I am in

the in the place of Joe Biden I would

say sorry don't speak

uh I I would I would say if I was Joe

Biden I would go down and whisper in the

ears of Nano and tell them I hate bad

Investments they haunt me you know like

little finger in Game of Thrones but the

thing is the thing I think is this is

the problem Israel always victimizes

itself and I have never seen a victim

putting their oppressor Under Siege and

bombing them 24/7 Israel wants you to

believe that they are the victim dealing

with Israel is so difficult it's like

being in a relationship with a

narcissistic psychopath he [ __ ] you up

and then he makes you think it's your

fault you look at Israel as Superman but

they're really homelander they are like

they they are

shooting and they are annoyed with the

splashes B I want to say two things one

if you could just slightly Mound your

language we are uncensored but if you

keep swearing we have to apologize to

viewers you may be offended by that but

I understand passions Run High so let's

not get too bugged down about the oldd

swear I apologize to the viewers I

apologize to the viewers for my language

my second question is this after site of

of dead civilian after the break we have

the managing director of The Daily wire

which is Ben Shapiro's company we were

going to interview him on his own but

he's happy to come on and talk with you

directly if you are prepared to stay

well of course I I I can stay but again

I am [ __ ]

this I am in a disadvantage and I would

like to have my space to respond okay

we'll come back after the break I I I

because because because here's the thing

there we got to go to a break when we

come back from the break be you and

Jeremy B my my I have new we're taking a

short break B I'll be

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welcome back to on senson for more on

the situation in Israel I'm joined now

by the CEO and co-founder of the daily

wi Ben Shapiro's partner Jeremy boring

uh Jeremy thank you very much indeed for

joining me I'm sorry we demoted you

earlier to Mia MD you are the CEO and

co-founder uh you know Ben Shapiro

better than anyone really I did a big

interview with Ben obviously the other

night um which went around the world um

and has sparked a big reaction including

from uh Our Guest Bassam youf who's

still with us first of all you've been

listening to to Bassam and what he's

been saying what's your

response well first of all I make it a

point not to speak for Ben Shapiro he's

got a 20 IQ points on me and speaks for

a living professionally so he's much

better prepared to defend himself but as

his business partner as his best friend

I I do feel like I have to respond to

the things that bosam was just saying

uh first of all the question of how many

sons of [ __ ] have to be killed in

order to end this conflict I suppose

that the answer is as many of them as it

takes that doesn't mean that I or Ben or

any decent person in their right mind is

happy with the killing of civilians uh I

posted at the very beginning of this

conflict that a a woman or a child blown

apart in Gaza is just as tragic as a

Jewish baby killed in one of the

settlements that doesn't mean that

Israel's actions and the actions of

Hamas are morally equivalent you know

the tragedy is the tragedy but the moral

equivalency is nonsense if you if you

entered Israel with the express purpose

of targeting and murdering civilians

with your own hands and cold blood that

is not comparable to Israel bombing

targets and the Gaza Strip and killing

civilians is a terrible tragic

consequence war war is terrible war is

an awful thing that's why decent people

don't lightly engage in War and why

Hamas should not have incited this war

you know we can talk about the history

of the Israeli conflict I'm not a

professional political commentator I'm a

I'm a CEO I'm a

screenwriter uh and I'm certainly not

Ben Shapiro I'm not here to discuss the

history of the Israeli Palestinian

conflict but we all saw what happened on

October 7th and the idea that Israel was

not going to react severely to that or

that Israel should not react severely to

that is ludicrous and the let

Meo should be a moderating voice that

Ben Shapiro should be what saying no

Israel should not respond in the

situation that's nonsense let me ask you

though Jeremy what I mean the question

which I think is the big question what

is a proportionate response to that

outrage on October the 7th which is the

worst attack on Jewish people since the

Holocaust what is proportionate if it's

true as reports are suggesting tonight

that there may have been a hospital hit

by an Israeli strike and up to 500

people or more have died that would seem

to me if that is verified and it's not

verified yet you know we don't know

exactly what has happened other than

there's been a hit on this hospital but

if that is verified to have been an

Israeli strike that will strike many

people as

disproportionate certainly well first of

all I don't know what a proportionate

response is or why we would want it I

suppose a proportionate response would

be for 3,000 Israelis to go through the

fence gun down innocent Palestinian

women and children burn their bodies

burn them alive take hostages rape their

women no one wants a proportionate

response no no moral person could

possibly call for a proportionate

response the purpose of war is to defeat

your enemy the West W has in my lifetime

forgotten the purpose of War because the

true cost of war is so terrible the last

time the West engaged in war and won it

was World War II and they did it through

incredible brutality they did it by

bringing their enemies to heal that is

not a thing to that's not a thing to rah

rah about that's not a thing to look

forward to as I said all decent people

should avoid war but I think the sort of

lie of the postor War II the post-war

consensus lie is that somehow War uh in

which you kill a bunch of people and

don't secure Victory is morally Superior

to war where you do secure Victory I

would say that the only way to morally

justify a war is to win it otherwise

your AR the very argument that brought

you into the war this enemy must be

defeated ends up being proven a lie I

mean Afghanistan I think America had

every right to go into Afghanistan uh

the Taliban was harboring Osama Bin

Laden and al- Qaeda al- Qaeda flew

planes into buildings in the United

States killed thousands of our citizens

brought the nation into Untold Agony

pain and horror America had every right

morally to go in and destroy the Taliban

and Destroy al- Qaeda but I would ARG

the Taliban now but the Taliban now

rules in Afghanistan the war was not won

but that's my point actually I've done a

column about this tonight uh for the sun

here in the UK which is I I was editor

of a newspaper when the Iraq War

happened I uh opposed it very

aggressively as the editor of the paper

um and sadly we were borne out by events

it was a complete disaster the Iraq War

in my view it was illegally contested I

think um and the consequences were

appalling in terms of loss of life a

million people in terms of Isis being

allowed to breed and create their merry

hell around the world in terms of

complete dismantling of of Iraq itself

as a as a functioning country uh and I

think Afghanistan again 20 years of you

know attacking an enemy which is now

running the country again seemed to me

again to be kind of pointless and I do

wonder whether Israel in its Blind Fury

which I completely understand has

thought through the consequences of

actually launching a full air ground and

sea offensive into Gaza as to actually

what happens at the end of that well I

suppose Israel wasn't really given the

opportunity to fully contemplate what

the consequences of that action might be

because Israel didn't instigate this war

this war was instigated by a horrible

terrorist attack on Israel and a state

is put in a position where it has to

respond now one might argue that the

very fact that Israel has yet to

actually launch their ground Invasion

means that they are actually making a

calculation about what the cost will be

what victory looks like any rational

person any decent person can engage in a

conversation about what is the

appropriate response for Israel of

course they can but this sort of moral

equivalency thing I don't think is a

sign of decency to engage in a

conversation about moral equivalency let

me bring uh bassim back in you've been

listening to this Bassin what's your

response to what Jeremy's been saying

I'm I'm sorry I didn't catch gentleman's

name it's Jeremy boring he's the chief

executive of the daily wire co-founder

with Ben Shapiro of the daily wire hi

Jeremy please say hello to Ben Shapiro

and please tell him that I do think he

is the smartest person to ever walk the

earth thank you so much so as response

to Jeremy uh I I I I I agree with

everything you said I mean what is

disproportionate I mean that you he just

used the uh examples from second world

war in America showing that civilian

casualty is a I mean I I heard his voice

he was very sad and he as he was telling

us it is so inevitable to kill so many

civilians because it's something that we

cannot avoid I hear the sadness in his

voice and I know that it's a very

difficult decision to kill all of these

civilians because that's for a higher

cast and I understand but my question I

I have two questions the question is how

can you justify The Killing In The West

Bank where Hamas does not exist and if

the disproportionate response during the

all of these years have actually worked

what will be new this time that did not

happen before I just want to that that

that was my question okay that question

I'm so so so now so now now if I ask the

question can I can I say something on my

side B with respect you Bassam with

respect I gave you half the show to have

your side Jeremy's had a lot less time

uh I'm going to have to you want me to

leave B I'm going to have to I'm going

to have to let you go because we've been

on there with you for 40 minutes okay

bye bye but listen byebye I would like

to talk to you again and thank you for

joining the program I appreciate it oh

by by by the way my my my wife's family

is is all right and they send us a house

it's it's bombed it's beautiful it's

it's going to be a good uh uh like

Halloween theme so well I'm very sorry

for what your family are going through

in Gaza and I mean by the way I don't

know I I don't know my I don't know him

by the way I don't I haven't actually

met them they didn't even come to my

wedding they couldn't because they are

stuck in Gaza and she never saw them

because you know Gaza is not a

destination we hear their voices and

it's uh they they die it's fine it's

fine Bassam I wish your family all the

very best thank you for joining me I

appreciate it I I don't thank you

Jeremy's going to stay with us and we're

going to be joined by the pack after the

break and we'll talk to Jeremy about

some other stuff connected with this

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welcome back to on S we still with me is

the CEO and co-founder of the daily wide

Jeremy boring I'm joined by my pack the

author and socialist Grace Blakeley to

to a contributor Paul Ron Adrian and the

journalist and author Hillary Freeman

who I'll come to all three of you in a

moment Jeremy I just want to talk to you

just pivot slightly I read a column for

the New York Post yesterday about this

kind of fical situation in America where

universities like Harvard who were

literally just named the worst school in

America for failure to ex exercise free

speech on campus now saying that the

reason they allowed their students to

all sign this absurdly offensive letter

in the immediate aftermath of these

attacks effectively siding with Hamas uh

was because of their Devotion to free

speech and the reason I think it's

relevant for you to answer that is I

know that you as a company you're

producing your own children's content to

counter the left and woke propaganda and

so on so it kinds to me there's a

there's a neat link here but what are

you making of what's been happening in

these universities in America I think

that the universities are in many ways

victims of their own rhetoric you one of

the dangerous things to do in life is to

say things out loud because pretty soon

you'll have to defend them and soon

after that you'll start to believe them

and Harvard has been preaching this sort

of intersectional hierarchy now for at

least a decade and maybe more the

problem with the intersectional

hierarchy is that someone has to be on

the bottom in the in the sort of name of

equality or fostering some sort of

better sense of equality they've created

a situation where you know people who

they see as having been historically in

places of power now are at the very

bottom and have been completely

dehumanized and one of the funny quirks

is they think that that is sort of

anti-majoritarian

anti-patriarchy you know in America it's

anti- Christian white male in

particular and that it protects

minorities but of course one of the

smallest minorities in the world is the

Jews and unfortunately in every other

way they seem to fit more in positions

of power they tend to excel acad Al they

tend to excel in business they're

disproportionately represented in media

in education in science you know in

traditionally white collar and

governmental type roles and so the

intersectional hierarchy being preached

by these schools has left them in a

position where you know the most

probably hard done by minority of the

20th and 21st century somehow has been

dehumanized by them and they don't know

how to get out of the way of their own

bad extraord there was actually a

professor at Cornell who was called on

camera doing

this I think we have it Hamas has

shifted the balance of power

yeah Hamas has

punctured the

illusion of

invincibility that's what they've done

it was

exhilarating resistance life it was

exhilarating it was energizing

exhilarating and energizing that's a

professor at a top American University

and I found that completely shocking a

that he would have that thought process

but be you would be so brazenly free to

do it in public like that well sure I

mean if what that Professor had said

instead is that gender and biological

sex are inextricably linked he'd be out

on the streets by now and never work

again instead he says that it's

exhilarating to watch children murdered

in their homes because of some sort of

bizarre academic theory about power

structures here's here's the thing

strength does not necessarily connote

virtue but strength also does not

necessarily connote a lack of virtue

weakness does not confer upon a person

virtue any more than weakness confers

upon a person a lack of virtue there are

wonderful Jews in the world and there

are terrible Jews in the world there are

wonderful Muslims in the world and there

are terrible Muslims in the world there

are wonderful people in positions of

strength I think the West is an a

relatively extraordinary job compared to

other societies throughout human history

and there are terrible people in

positions of we need only look to the

ruling regime in China among others to

know that when you collectivism is you

forget about the individual right we

know a lot of this obviously starts from

childhood you as a company have decided

to take on this what you see is the

indoctrination by the woke left of kids

tell me just briefly about that yeah

well I think that one of the things that

we at the daily wire feel is that

childhood uh has been sort of distorted

on one hand we have this University

system as you were just discussing that

infantilizes adults we refer to 23

three-year-olds as college kids and we

treat them like that like kids who

aren't responsible who have no agency

who can't be held accountable for their

own actions on the other hand we have

actual children actual kids and instead

of letting them live in a world of

imagination and adventure and joy and

wonder we want to use them as political

props we want to March them in our

rallies uh we want to hold them up as

some sort of symbol of the struggle

against you know entrenched power

structures or whatever the the invogue

terms are and what we believe at the

daily wire is actually why don't we let

adults be adults incl including 23 year

olds and why don't we let children be

children and so we've launched this

initiative bent key which is our new

company our new app and it's just

entertainment for kids it's not overtly

political we're overtly political as a

company of course but our content at

bent key is not it really is just a

place where kids can sit down actually

enjoy entertaining content and parents

don't have to worry about having these

sort of destructive ideas you know

Jeremy I've got four kids and I I say

hurrah to that honestly do I'm sick and

tired of these kids getting grabbed by

people who think they know what's best

for what these kids should be thinking

and doing it's it's ridiculous uh I've

got to leave it there Jeremy you've been

brilliant thank you very much indeed for

rolling with the the punches earlier you

came on to talk about this and we then

brought you into to respond to what

Bassam mus said I think that was

important and I I really appreciate

thank you very much thank you okay uh

Hillary welcome first time we've had you

on um Bassam mus have very fired up I

mean a lot of people who are pro

Palestinian historically are very fired

up about this tonight as we came on air

this as yet unverified in terms of who's

responsible but it's it the Hamas are

claiming uh that this is an Israeli air

strike on a Hospital May killed 500

people it comes back to proportion for

me what is the correct response to the

outrage of October the 7th I don't know

what the correct response is but I don't

believe that Israel would be stupid

enough to bomb a hospital the day before

Biden can I just say Israel has released

a statement already saying that they

warned civilians to evacuate the

hospital not true that's been that's

been taken down by Al jazer already it

wasn't true there's a lot of stuff

flying around there's a lot of people

putting videos they claim Hamas

misfiring a rocket others are saying

it's definitely Israeli I think we need

to wait for absolute Clarity on this

what is indisputable is a hospital has

been here and it appears hundreds and

hundreds of people have died it it feels

to me with President Biden arriving

tomorrow this is a bit of a gamech

changer yeah yeah which is why I don't

believe it was deliberate because it

just seems it just doesn't make sense

that they would do that but is it the

kind of thing which you would say that

if you're bombing the hell out of Gaza

and this happens is collateral damage

and you have to suck it up I don't think

Israel has ever targeted hospitals it

would always avoid hospitals if it

possibly could so no of course I don't

think that it's good to I mean Israel

has already targeted hospitals by saying

that it was shutting off power and water

which resulted in hospitals overflowing

with patients that were effectively

untreatable that was considered a war

crime many people have called that out

was a war crime just to be clear the

Reuters news agency is now reporting

comments from the Israeli military

saying its intelligence shows a

Palestinian Islamic Jihad group is

responsible for the hospital attack at a

rocket barrage from Gaza intended for

Israel pass near the Gaza hospital and

is hereit we don't know you we don't

know let's talk about what we do know

shall we okay we know that the Israeli

state has committed war crimes we know

that they have instituted a basically a

regime of collective punishment we know

now that they've used white phosphorus

in uh civilian areas which is considered

a war crime we know that this comes on

the back of the brutalization for many

many years now of the

Palestinian

over already

6,400 Palestinians have died inations

with troops since 2008 including 1,400

children we also know that Hamas just

perpetrated one of the worst Terror

attacks in modern history and the worst

attack on Jewish people since the

Holocaust and so I can answer your

question I can answer your question

about proportionality because

international law tells us what the

answer is in relation to proportionality

it tells us that we have a right to

defend ourselves it tells us that we

have a right whilst defending ourselves

to ensure that the outcome is Ultimate

peace and that is what as far as I'm

concerned we have not witnessed even in

the minute that we've been on and if and

if we were to ensure that the rule of

law was applied which is what I hope Joe

Biden is going to be um reinforcing when

he visits and when Rishi sunak visits I

hope that that's what they're going to

reinforce this is quite clearly though

not what many people within the Israeli

government want one Israeli Minister

said that he wanted to unleash a second

NABA do you guys know what that means

you know what the NABA was right the

official position of the Israeli state

for a long time has been there was no

NAA there was no catastrophe this didn't

happen this foundational Act of VI

violence that really led up in many ways

to the conflict we're seeing today to

Min is's minister of National Security

Ben says are the only thing that should

enter Gaza until the hostages are

released are hundreds of tons of

explosives from the Israeli Air Force

not an ounce of humanitarian Aid now

that strikes me as a statement which

doesn't care about international law

clearly clearly right benav is apping

and problem isn't the problem Netanyahu

has he's packed his cabinet for

political self expedience

he's packed the cabinet with a bunch of

right-wing Headbangers say stuff that

have' been saying stuff like this for a

long time this year absolutely and that

has a part of the reason why this has

happened um but you can't blame Israel

again for what Hamas did it's again

people trying to justify Palestinians

all Palestinians for what Hamas has done

that is what many actually we've seen

now IDF soldiers we've seen people

saying this is a war with Palestinian

civan do you agree that hamash should be

removed P piss you know my answer to

that question and it's so frustrating

the way that whenever anyone comes on

these show and talks about the

horrendous loss of life that has been

inflicted on Palestinian for many many

years there this idea there's this idea

that you can ask this question should we

condone Hass should we condone should we

condone Hass and what that does should

be removed breaks of course Hamas should

be removed nobody seriously doubt as

soon as you respond to the question I

said Israel has committed more crimes

and you respond by saying should should

we R the implications

SYM my question is how do you remove

them what you okay well what do we know

about Hamas we know that actually

Netanyahu has said in the past that he

wanted to strengthen Hamas because that

was the only way that he could ever get

rid of the Palestinian State he has said

that outright we have evidence that he

knew about these Terror attacks shinb

knew about these Terror we have we have

evidence that shinb said this was an

immense intelligence failure and that

was there was Intelligence that

suggested that this was going to happen

there's there's no question

would allow this to happen to his people

there is absolutely no way that's a

conspiracy theory the head of shin as

said this was an extraordinary askary as

a Jewish person yeah this has been a

nightmare 10 days yes but as a

Palestinian person right now in Gaza

they're going through if they're an

innocent Palestinian civilian they are

going through utter hell too do you feel

empathy for them I feel absolute empathy

for them and all the Jewish people I

know nobody wants Palestinian people to

suffer nobody does we want to get rid of

Hamas and we want our hostage is back

and so to answer P's question how to

remove remove her mask is it going to

happen by a ground wall

is that is the only way you can possibly

do it but the consequences could be

disastrous we've got to leave it there

we run out of time thank you all very

much indeed that's it for me whatever

you're up to keep been uncensored good

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