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I'm not sure
this story can be told on the record,
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but I'm gonna tell you anyway.
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This idea that you could
come to Silicon Valley and not only
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invent something that is yours,
but also make the world a better place,
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that's the dream.
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The time was right
for new things to happen.
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Everybody was there for a purpose.
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Build something
that would change the world.
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Tech was gonna fix all of our problems,
all at once.
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There is one leading
preventable cause of death in America,
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and that is tobacco use.
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Innovation could address all the problems
associated with smoking.
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Our goal, our mission
is to eliminate combustible cigarettes.
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They had this relentless focus.
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Too many people smoke,
we want to help them smoke less,
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and we want to give them
a cooler, better, safer way to do it.
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People are talking about it.
They're like, "This is going to be big."
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One puff and never ever again smoked
another cigarette my whole entire life.
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Never again.
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{\an8}I'm optimistic
that this new innovation
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{\an8}will completely replace cigarettes.
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They had taken every lesson
from the tech industry
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and applied it to tobacco,
and people just threw money at them.
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We were the fastest-growing company
in world history.
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{\an8}They saw this
as just another tech product.
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It's not a tech product.
It's a nicotine product.
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Fuck it, ship it.
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Their goal was not
to make people quit smoking.
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Their goal was
to make people start JUULing.
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{\an8}I don't think anyone could
have anticipated how many children
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{\an8}would want this product.
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In the beginning,
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you felt like you were part
of a secret club no one knew about yet.
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It is not unreasonable
to be skeptical about our intent.
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Children's Hospital in Wisconsin
is sounding an alarm
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about serious health problems
linked to vaping.
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I remember waking up
in an ICU bed, you know,
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with my family by my side.
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{\an8}It was like a wave, it swept over.
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{\an8}Everyone was like,
"I don't know if I want to vape anymore."
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We would get hate mail.
"Kid killer, I hope you die!"
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{\an8}As JUUL became the story,
James became the face.
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{\an8}He was the face. He wanted to be the face.
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{\an8}You, sir, are an example to me
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{\an8}of the worst of the Bay Area.
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He felt villainized, and I think it was
too much for him to bear.
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There's so much vitriol
on both sides.
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The debate is unlike anything
I've seen in public health.
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We can't completely favor teens
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and completely ignore 35 million adults.
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How many kids are you willing to addict
to help one adult quit?
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The parents of this country are fed up.
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Parents got upset because they forgot
they had to parent their kids,
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and JUUL isn't responsible for that.
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E-cigarettes are not helping people
quit smoking.
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It helped me get off of cigarettes.
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Sounds like
a smoking-cessation device to me.
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They had a choice,
and they went to maximize the profits.
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We're all in this to make money.
We come to San Francisco to make money.
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This is America, right?
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As all of us have
probably experienced in our lives,
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if you watch a major event,
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different people come away
with different perspectives.
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They all say, "What I saw was the truth,"
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but they end up
with different versions of the truth.
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The story of JUUL,
I don't think it's black and white.
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The reality is it's gray.
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In the early 2000s, there was
this sense tech could do no wrong.
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We place a really big premium
on moving quickly.
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"Move fast and break things,"
that's the tech ethos.
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{\an8}You should never be afraid of making
small mistakes in service of huge success.
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Stanford and the tech industry have had
this symbiotic relationship for decades.
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You had investors all over Silicon Valley
who were starting to say,
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"Who's working on interesting
student projects that I can invest in
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that turn into hundred-billion-dollar
businesses down the road?"
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{\an8}You had all these undergraduates
wanting to create a start-up, an app.
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There were billionaire professors
on campus.
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There's this euphoria around
the Silicon Valley sort of ethos.
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"We innovate, we disrupt."
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{\an8}Stanford has a great reputation
in attracting talents.
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Sometimes it's hard to tell whether
it attracts them or makes them.
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But in either case, a lot of
the top people are coming out of Stanford.
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James Monsees
and Adam Bowen were classmates
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in the Stanford product design program.
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James and Adam were both
gifted product designers,
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and they both studied
this concept of design thinking
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{\an8}or basically infusing design
into every aspect of a product
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and its development.
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You're trying to have
empathy and understand your customers,
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and any problem you see,
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{\an8}we can try and make a product
to solve that problem.
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I was always drawing things,
designing things as a kid.
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Airplanes, cars... you name it, really.
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I don't realize that there was
this career called "Product Design."
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I was just naturally
sketching these things.
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My parents always told me
I didn't like playing with toys,
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I liked playing with vacuum cleaner parts.
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When I was 15,
my parents wouldn't give me a car,
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so I built a car.
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James and I met while we were
in this program at Stanford.
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We worked on a lot of projects that had
some social or environmental impact.
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Both Adam and James
had world-class minds.
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{\an8}Adam was an incredible engineer
and was highly competitive as well.
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And James was very gifted
in multiple disciplines.
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James was such a good artist,
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{\an8}and he's also
a brilliant scientist and engineer.
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{\an8}He can do all of that.
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{\an8}We had this amazing place on campus
called The Product Design Loft,
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{\an8}and we got to hide out behind there,
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and we would smoke cigarettes.
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Smoking was always
a contentious issue in my family.
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My mom's father, he smoked a lot.
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He smoked many packs of cigarettes a day
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and, um, died at a sadly early age.
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I hated cigarettes.
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Every time I picked one up,
I felt conflicted about it.
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Smokers were always a bit the misfits.
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{\an8}And, you know, it wasn't very cool
to be smoking cigarettes
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{\an8}in the year 2005.
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{\an8}Adam and I would look
at each other, and we would ask each other
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why we were being quite so stupid
hiding out behind this loft.
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And, um, we looked inwards at ourselves,
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and what we realized was
that it isn't smoking that we love,
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it is the things
that smoking does for you.
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It is the sharing that you have,
the sharing moments,
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or taking a break from your day.
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Those are the things that really matter.
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James and Adam were out
on a smoke break
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looking down at the burning cigarettes
in their hands,
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and thought,
"We must do something better."
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{\an8}James was like,
"Can we take all the bad stuff out,
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{\an8}and still get the stuff we like?"
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And that's kind of where
James and Adam kicked off.
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As soon as they started talking to
each other, they found common ground
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and seemed to be filling in
knowledge gaps for each other.
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And James was like, "Why hasn't someone
come up with vaporization solutions yet?"
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And Adam just started going off
on essentially a brainstorm.
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{\an8}Smoking impacts a lot of lives,
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{\an8}and it occurred to us that
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{\an8}it's a space where there's been
little or no innovation.
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{\an8}There's 38 million Americans
that still smoke.
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{\an8}There are a billion people
who still smoke globally.
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We saw this as
a huge public health opportunity.
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I was excited about
the promise for what could come from it
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as the idea matured.
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Most people were
happy with it.
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But this might have been more from
the faculty side, if I remember right,
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they were kind of raising eyebrows.
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"So this is a drug-delivery device?"
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Um...
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And not like, "I need drugs
to keep my heart rate pressure down."
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This is like... This is like nicotine.
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Some of their professors
had concerns
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that they should slow down a little,
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do more research, make sure they were
building things responsibly
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because nicotine is incredibly addictive.
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In James and Adam's research,
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they found this massive archive
of tobacco industry documents
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stored at the University of California,
San Francisco.
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At the time,
what we really wanted to learn about was
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what are the best technologies
and techniques for eliminating smoking?
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It turns out tobacco companies
have worked on this quite a bit.
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Cigarette makers knew
they had a problem.
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They were never happy about the fact
their products were killing people.
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How can we make a new kind of cigarette
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that keeps the addiction
but loses the cancer?
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And that becomes a kind of hidden goal
of Big Tobacco in super-secret projects.
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And they've already started
in the late 1950s.
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To make a product
that would be less harmful,
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that was the Holy Grail.
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{\an8}Is there a way
we can reduce the temperature
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to generate smoke
without setting the tobacco on fire?
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You would basically warm up tobacco
and then get tobacco vapor,
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which would include nicotine.
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And it would be a truly safer cigarette
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because most of the harm from a cigarette
is in the combustion products.
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But if they introduce a safer cigarette,
what are they supposed to call it?
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They didn't want to admit that their
regular cigarettes were causing cancer.
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Trapped in their own webs of deception.
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Every major tobacco company lied,
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{\an8}saying that there is no way
to deliver nicotine
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{\an8}in a way safer than a cigarette.
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James' theory was that
someone on the outside,
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someone like him and Adam,
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would be necessary to come in
and make that innovation happen.
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They really started focusing more
on the vaporization of tobacco.
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At the time, vaporizers were a thing,
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but it was this massive system.
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Not at all portable, not practical.
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James was interested in,
how do you make that smaller?
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It seemed like
an awesome project to pursue.
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James and Adam
built the original prototype,
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and they were determined
to make this prototype meaningful.
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Is it even possible
to make a safe cigarette?
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It turns out that burning tobacco
is the real problem.
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Nicotine is addictive, clearly,
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but it's not the nicotine
that's really hurting you.
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Our goal was to basically create
a whole new experience for people
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that retains the positive aspects
of smoking, like the ritual,
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but makes it as healthy
and socially acceptable as possible.
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People were raving about it.
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And James, you know,
he was on to something
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and really hitting it big.
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But still, in the genesis of it,
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there was this serious health concern
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about preventing people
from getting cancer.
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It gives me great pleasure
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to introduce this year's
commencement speaker,
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Steve Jobs.
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I remember
all sitting together as a class,
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and many of us as designers
obviously very inspired by Steve Jobs.
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He was almost like a rock star,
you know.
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Stay hungry, stay foolish.
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And I've always wished that for myself.
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Each of us were hungry to make
an impact and a change in the world.
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As you graduate to begin anew,
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I wish that for you.
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Stay hungry, stay foolish.
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I think those two go hand-in-hand.
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I mean, being foolish is kind of
not afraid to take chances.
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{\an8}Try it, do it. Don't hesitate.
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Thank you all very much.
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This was one of the biggest problems
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this program ever tackled
and tried to solve.
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And everybody knows James and Adam
have an awesome idea.
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It's incredible,
and their prototype is amazing.
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Everyone knows.
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Now what?
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After they left Stanford,
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they decided this was an idea
they were going to run with
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and make into a real company.
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But James and Adam were
coming at this problem as underdogs,
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and they were not successful.
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A lot of companies told them
they were not interested.
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A lot of VCs have rules against
investing in vices. They won't do it.
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Because of those vice clauses,
and what are seen as vice industries,
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like marijuana, alcohol, tobacco,
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around 50 firms told them
that they were not interested at all.
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So James and Adam realized
that if they pursued individual investors,
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they might have more luck
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because they weren't necessarily bound
to the same vice clauses that firms had.
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Angel investing
is investing in start-up companies,
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{\an8}and angel investors
invest their own money.
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{\an8}And what angel investors
are looking to find
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{\an8}is a company that will change the world
in some level.
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Doesn't happen often, I will say that.
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James and Adam came to my office
to, uh, make a pitch for their idea,
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which they called "Ploom."
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They came across as very bright,
very passionate,
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and they had a very sophisticated design.
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There was no proof at that point in time
that heating and not burning the tobacco
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was going to be healthier,
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but if you weren't burning,
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the general attitude and feeling
was that this would be safer.
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It had such potential for saving lives.
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My mother smoked all of her life
and eventually died of lung cancer.
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So I thought about my mom
and thought this would have been a godsend
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if she could have been able
to use this instead
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and add years to her life.
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So...
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So I decided to invest.
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Riaz Valani was the investor
in that first round with us.
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He was sort of a no-nonsense,
very strong individual.
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We knew that we needed some way
to substantiate the health benefits,
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and it needed to come
from someone professional.
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{\an8}They called me and said,
"We have this great new idea
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{\an8}that we think is going to
revolutionize tobacco and save lives,
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{\an8}and we'd like to meet with you."
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The idea was that they would heat
the tobacco instead of setting it on fire.
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And I said to them,
"That's an interesting idea."
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"If you avoid the combustion,
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you're going to have
a less toxic mix probably."
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"But we need some evidence."
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"We need to know what effect
are these things actually having."
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This whole idea of
"move fast and break things,"
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in terms of public health, is stupid.
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We want to move progress forward
as fast as we can,
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but when you're dealing with things
that impact people's health,
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you need to be careful.
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Ploom was starting to look
more like a real company.
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The investors were more
than just funding sources,
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so they would guide them
on how to keep their business scaling up.
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The rule I use is that if you're
not spending as much on marketing
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as engineering,
your engineering is being wasted.
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That's when Kurt was brought in.
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{\an8}My experience with marketing
began when I started working at Red Bull.
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{\an8}They have a very unique philosophy
on how they come to market.
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Instead of blasting everybody
with advertising and hoping it worked,
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they did the opposite.
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It was about allowing people
to discover your product in a cool way.
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One day I saw
that there was a message from Adam,
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and it said something to the effect
that he and his partner
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were finishing school at Stanford,
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which, of course,
gave it some credibility.
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When I walked in,
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sometimes you empty your pockets
when you sit down at the table.
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I did that and didn't realize
I had a pack of cigarettes.
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Immediately, I saw James and Adam
look at the box and look at each other
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with an interesting look on their face.
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I think in their mind they were like,
"If this guy's a smoker, he'll get it."
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Cigarettes are kind of
the monkey on my back.
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I really enjoy the relaxation
of having a cigarette,
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but statistics are pretty clear.
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If you smoke,
you will very likely die from smoking.
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I remember they said to me what
I've heard them say hundreds of times.
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"Smoking isn't just nicotine delivery.
It's the ritual."
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"How can we preserve the ritual
and eliminate the harm?"
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That resonated with me right away
because here I am, a conflicted smoker,
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who likes the ritual, but can't stand
everything else about smoking.
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If they can do that for me,
that could be a great company,
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and also probably a pretty big business.
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The meeting went well.
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I got the job,
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but I did say that I felt pretty strongly
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that I didn't want to work for a company
that would sell to Big Tobacco.
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I thought they were the enemy.
Killing people for years,
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lying about the nature
of their own product,
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which they knew very well was one
of the most addictive products ever.
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I didn't want to be associated
with any of those companies.
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{\an8}When James and Adam
started working on Ploom,
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{\an8}around 37 million people in the US smoked.
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So many people write off smokers
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as people who have just made bad choices.
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The truth is that the overwhelming
majority of people who smoke
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{\an8}began their tobacco use as teenagers.
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Cigarette makers
recognize that
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if they can addict a teenager to nicotine,
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there's a good chance
they may have them for a lifetime.
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I was 19.
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{\an8}I was like, "I can't smoke weed.
I'll smoke cigarettes."
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{\an8}It was like some sort
of 19-year-old non-logic.
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Thanksgiving dinner,
my brother convinced me.
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{\an8}He's like, "Just have one. After a big
Thanksgiving dinner, it's the best."
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{\an8}And that was that. That was that.
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The thing I distinctly
remember is my dad making sure my mom,
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she had cigarettes.
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That was his husbandly duty.
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I remember asking her,
"Can you please quit smoking?"
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{\an8}So that's ironic how I wound up smoking.
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Nicotine keeps me focused.
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When I'm really stimulated,
it can bring me down.
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When I'm tired, it can bring me up.
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It's a really unique thing in that way.
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I enjoyed smoking.
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Just the physical activity of
blowing smoke and watching it dissipate.
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It did have a relaxing effect.
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I wanted to quit smoking
and tried so long to quit,
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and felt so badly about it.
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My dad had been a smoker my whole life.
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I told him I was smoking.
He was disappointed,
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then I think we shared a cigarette.
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He got cancer.
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And I remember all through
the experience of him being sick,
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feeling such deep shame
about continuing to smoke.
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But it was a huge part
of how I coped with stress.
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In the end, when he passed away,
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{\an8}every single time I smoked a cigarette,
I felt like I was doing him a dishonor.
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The overwhelming majority
of people who smoke want to quit
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and have tried multiple times to quit.
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But for people who have never smoked,
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the concept that it's not easy
just doesn't connect.
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Nicotine can be as addictive
as heroin and cocaine,
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{\an8}in such a way that you cannot feel normal
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{\an8}unless you have the next dose.
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I tried the patch,
that was the worst.
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I was having nightmares. It didn't work.
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I tried Nicorette Gum, tried cold turkey,
tried a book, tried a hypnotist one time.
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Nothing worked, no matter what I tried.
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I really wanted to quit,
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but those replacements
did not work for me.
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They just weren't the same
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because I couldn't do this,
and I couldn't do this.
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If you could not quit smoking
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with the gum, patch,
lozenge, or cold turkey,
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you were doomed to continue to smoke.
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For myself and millions of smokers
around the world,
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that is a death sentence.
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When we started Ploom,
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we were doing something
to possibly change the world.
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It was "Fuck Big Tobacco."
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If I walked in with a shirt
that said "Fuck Big Tobacco,"
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people would have been happy I wore it.
All, including Adam and James.
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I had some ideas on where I wanted
to start with the project,
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specifically probably on the branding
and things like that,
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but they didn't have
a working prototype yet.
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They thought that they would have it ready
after about six months.
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It was pretty clear that there were
more challenges than anticipated
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to get that product ready.
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We had a multitude of problems.
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We had some early devices,
and I took a hit,
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and all of a sudden, it exploded.
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It shot the rod up into the ceiling.
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I remember the look on James' face
was like, "Holy shit."
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It could have gone
into my head, basically.
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Because Riaz was the biggest
amount of money in the company,
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James and Adam, when he said, "Jump,"
they said, "How high?"
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Riaz became very adamant
that this had to get done fast.
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"We're running out of money
and we need to get more."
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"We're not gonna get more
if we don't have a working product."
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They were running out of time
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because other e-cigarettes
started coming on the market.
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This guy is here,
and he is not smoking next to me.
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What exactly is NJOY?
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NJOY is an electronic cigarette.
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NJOY was probably
the first company to come on our radar.
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They were the anti-Ploom.
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{\an8}As we were using these competitor devices,
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{\an8}which are basically
in the shape of prefab cigarettes,
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{\an8}the question was, "Why are they doing this
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if they're trying to help people
quit cigarettes?"
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And then eventually,
you started seeing
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what people started calling vapes.
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The products were pretty complicated.
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They had to have coils, these batteries,
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they had a tank that you could fill
with e-liquid of your choice,
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flavor of your choice,
nic strength of your choice...
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The industry was growing rapidly
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because there were no regulations
for vapor products.
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It was a new category.
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The FDA couldn't regulate it,
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so no one was checking
anything about the products,
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there were no age restrictions.
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It was the Wild West.
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But Ploom was a really different device.
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Adam and James,
they were coming at it from,
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how does it fit in your hand?
How are you going to hold it?
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There was more thinking involved.
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What we've tried to do
is create a new paradigm.
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Something that doesn't
look like a cigarette,
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doesn't feel or taste like a cigarette.
It's different.
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{\an8}The Model One was James
and Adam's first product
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{\an8}to enter the market.
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It launched in 2010
and represented the first time
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that Adam and James had successfully
made their thesis vision a reality.
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This is the Ploom Model One,
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which you open by removing the mouthpiece
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and inserting
a specially-designed pod capsule.
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Reinsert the mouthpiece,
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push the button on the bottom,
it clicks to start,
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it lights up in about 10 to 20 seconds.
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As we were getting ready
to launch the Model One,
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it was certainly an exciting time for us.
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I remember we were toying around
with an ad campaign,
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and one of the campaigns we launched with
was "Small, dark, and handsome."
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And that was it.
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And I dropped that
on one of the e-cig message boards,
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and it went crazy.
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No one had seen anything like it.
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{\an8}We got all these messages,
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{\an8}the number of reservations
shot through the roof,
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and it felt like,
"This is real, this is happening."
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"This could be the future of smoking."
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Around that time, I started looking for
brand ambassadors to promote the product.
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{\an8}I met Kurt, and I was invited over
to Ploom headquarters.
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{\an8}And they laid out the product
in front of me,
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and they're like, "What do you think?"
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And I was like, "This is cool."
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{\an8}But it's powered by butane, so you had
to have a little canister of gas.
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{\an8}And then a tiny little pod
with real tobacco.
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{\an8}Then you put the gas in, put the pod in,
screw it on, and off you go.
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They wanted it to be like
a modern, social, smoking experience,
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which I was like, "Yeah, sounds amazing."
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My job, as the field marketing manager,
was to introduce the world to the product
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and get as much information as I could
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from the people who use the product
to improve it.
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{\an8}At that time,
we had been doing a lot more testing,
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we had been inviting people to the office
for social happy hours,
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we were taking the product out and about.
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In the beginning, we had one or two.
Now everyone had a couple of devices.
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Pods were being made
and stockpiled in the back
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for hopefully what would be
a tsunami of orders.
472
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:05,040
{\an8}When it came time to start doing
the initial tastings and marketing,
473
00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,335
I was working all day and going out,
sometimes until midnight,
474
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:10,128
back at the office at 8:00.
475
00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:14,257
We don't know where it's gonna
work yet, so we're gonna try everything.
476
00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:17,344
We're gonna do movie theaters.
We're gonna do cafรฉs.
477
00:27:17,427 --> 00:27:20,347
We're gonna do boutiques, parties, clubs.
478
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:22,849
Clubs were the worst
because they were so loud,
479
00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:24,225
and everyone was drunk.
480
00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:26,728
You know, Plooms everywhere.
481
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:30,982
But we would set up in the back,
wait for people to come to us.
482
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,693
We would ask them what they think.
483
00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:35,862
A lot of the comments
in the early days were,
484
00:27:35,945 --> 00:27:38,073
"When are you coming out
with more flavors?"
485
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,700
There was a mint,
there was a chocolate one,
486
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:44,537
plus blueberry,
honey cognac, organic peach...
487
00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:47,624
and people specifically asked us
for these flavors.
488
00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:51,544
It wasn't just about nicotine delivery,
489
00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:55,090
it was about the experience,
so they were into flavors.
490
00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:59,511
{\an8}Flavors were important to ultimately
get smokers away from smoking,
491
00:27:59,594 --> 00:28:01,012
{\an8}with various options.
492
00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:05,558
But people who were smokers who Ploomed
493
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:09,938
would say, "It's fun,
but it's not giving me the same hit
494
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,524
as I would with a big pull
from a cigarette."
495
00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:18,863
The Ploom device itself
wasn't very good at delivering nicotine.
496
00:28:18,947 --> 00:28:20,573
It didn't work for me.
497
00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:25,453
I would tape two of them together,
sometimes at extreme displeasure of James,
498
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:30,250
because by taping two together,
it means his product isn't working.
499
00:28:32,085 --> 00:28:35,964
For a hardcore Marlboro pack-a-day smoker,
500
00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:40,301
they might try it, "Interesting,"
but they're gonna go back to smoking.
501
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:44,973
Kurt, Adam, and James
were constantly trying to fiddle with it.
502
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,767
Like, change up
the construction of the formula
503
00:28:47,851 --> 00:28:50,854
so that it would be
a bit more turbocharged.
504
00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:55,233
A lot of times, engineers,
they know so much about the product
505
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,611
that they don't understand
the pain points.
506
00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:02,115
There were a lot of pain points
with the early Ploom device.
507
00:29:03,366 --> 00:29:05,910
The number one was,
it's powered by butane,
508
00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:10,081
so nobody's carrying around
a giant bottle of butane wherever they go.
509
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:13,293
{\an8}Because it was an actual heating element,
510
00:29:13,376 --> 00:29:16,755
{\an8}there was a danger
of singeing your fingers,
511
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:19,924
{\an8}sometimes your mouth
if you took a big hit from it.
512
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,093
{\an8}It wasn't that every one of them was hot,
513
00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:26,139
{\an8}but every 50th one turned out
to burn somebody, right? It's too hot.
514
00:29:26,222 --> 00:29:31,186
And with that kind of a yield,
2%, you don't have a product.
515
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:33,563
It was unimpressive.
516
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:37,066
{\an8}It was something that maybe
you could get a small market for
517
00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:41,196
{\an8}if you really dedicated yourself,
but it wasn't going to change the world.
518
00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:43,948
I was going to smoke shops,
519
00:29:44,032 --> 00:29:47,202
{\an8}and I was getting quite a bit
of negative feedback there.
520
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:51,581
{\an8}So, eventually, Adam came
to do a ride-along with me.
521
00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:55,627
We went to five or six shops,
and I remember one time in particular,
522
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:58,505
when it finally, I think,
really hit home for Adam.
523
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,966
Instead of doing
the whole setup for the owner,
524
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,718
I just put it on the table.
525
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:08,014
The first thing he did was try
to put the butane in. It spilled out.
526
00:30:08,097 --> 00:30:09,700
He clicked it to start it...
527
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:13,561
...and his finger was in the wrong spot
on the device, and he got a shock.
528
00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:16,523
Eventually, he got it started,
put the pod in,
529
00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:19,192
the top popped off,
and the pod burned his lip.
530
00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:23,112
So it was the perfect storm
of everything that could have gone wrong,
531
00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:25,490
did go wrong,
and Adam got to experience it.
532
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:29,744
I think when we walked out of that shop,
Adam came to the conclusion
533
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,205
that, "Shit, this product isn't working."
534
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,749
"We're gonna have to redesign it,
535
00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:38,002
and it's gonna take somewhere
between a year and 18 months."
536
00:30:38,086 --> 00:30:42,590
We were frustrated at that point that
we hadn't seen the progress we wanted,
537
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,426
{\an8}and the buck has to stop someplace.
538
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:49,764
{\an8}James took over in
the CEO role, and Adam took a step back.
539
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:53,184
And it was kind of a crisis point
for this new company.
540
00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:57,647
Ploom was starting to get low on funds
and struggling to get additional funds.
541
00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:00,483
I thought, "It's probably all over.
It's a shame."
542
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:10,618
At this point, James was on the hunt for
any investor who could help Ploom succeed.
543
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:14,664
Japan Tobacco International
approached us to invest in Ploom.
544
00:31:14,747 --> 00:31:15,832
$10 million.
545
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,628
{\an8}JTI was this huge Japanese conglomerate
making cigarettes.
546
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,131
We were conflicted.
547
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:29,095
Again, Big Tobacco killing people
for almost 100 years and lying about it,
548
00:31:29,178 --> 00:31:31,890
and they come in
with a significant investment.
549
00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:34,559
It was difficult.
550
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:38,730
But without that investment,
I'm not sure we would have made it.
551
00:31:39,647 --> 00:31:42,525
Our mission was really important.
552
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:45,486
We can't scrap it
and go to the next thing.
553
00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:49,282
The goal of the company
was to save a billion lives.
554
00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:52,785
{\an8}James and Adam told me
that of all the Big Tobacco companies,
555
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:55,079
{\an8}JTI was the most progressive,
556
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,082
{\an8}and they seemed to be
the most open-minded.
557
00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:02,378
It was a way to get more distribution
of a product that was gonna save lives.
558
00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,089
My spine was softened,
so to speak.
559
00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:11,763
If by partnering with Big Tobacco,
it helps you achieve your core mission,
560
00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:14,349
maybe it's not the worst thing.
561
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,353
Japan Tobacco enabled them to expand,
562
00:32:18,436 --> 00:32:20,939
so now you have the funds
to create your own playground.
563
00:32:21,022 --> 00:32:22,440
What does that look like?
564
00:32:26,027 --> 00:32:27,862
After the Ploom device flopped,
565
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,865
Adam and James knew
they needed to make something better.
566
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,493
{\an8}And the $10 million that they got from JTI
567
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:37,205
{\an8}gave them the ability to take a step back
and go back to the drawing board.
568
00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:41,459
So with that money,
they pivoted.
569
00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:46,172
They didn't come out with
a new and improved version of the Ploom,
570
00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:48,257
they came out with something called PAX.
571
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:56,766
The PAX was an induction vaporizer
for "loose-leaf" tobacco.
572
00:32:58,184 --> 00:32:59,310
So this is PAX.
573
00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,063
A pinch of pipe tobacco.
574
00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:07,777
You can really unlock
the sort of excellence of tobacco.
575
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:08,861
Pretty awesome.
576
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,911
{\an8}PAX was supposed to vaporize
loose-leaf tobacco,
577
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:21,666
{\an8}but it became popular with marijuana users
instead of tobacco users.
578
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:26,379
{\an8}At that point, cannabis was becoming
more and more acceptable.
579
00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:28,965
Even though it wasn't fully legal
in a lot of places,
580
00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:30,800
it looked like a good opportunity.
581
00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:33,302
A friend,
he handed me this vaporizer
582
00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:35,680
that had this little X thing
on the front of it.
583
00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:37,140
Told me it was called a PAX.
584
00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:41,185
{\an8}It changed my world.
585
00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:44,856
I made a decision right then
I was gonna work for this company.
586
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:46,649
The way that you smoke marijuana
587
00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:49,444
is mostly complicated,
mostly bad, mostly inefficient.
588
00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:52,238
PAX showed up and said,
"We'll make it easier."
589
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,325
{\an8}Suddenly, you didn't have to have
a Ziploc bag with your weed in it.
590
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:59,537
{\an8}Suddenly you didn't have to have
a match or a lighter.
591
00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,914
You can just vape a little bit,
and you're done.
592
00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:03,916
This is fantastic.
593
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,919
It was a beautiful product.
It worked really well.
594
00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,630
It was something you want
to share with your friends.
595
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:11,049
It even had a game function,
596
00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:14,260
so you could shake it up,
and it would go around...
597
00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:17,513
Like Spin the Bottle, whoever
it lands on would have to take a hit.
598
00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:22,435
There was a lot of care in even choosing
who we had representing our product.
599
00:34:22,518 --> 00:34:26,189
We collaborate with people
like The Weeknd or Broad City,
600
00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:30,610
one of the coolest, most relatable
stoner shows on TV at that time.
601
00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:33,738
It was really fun,
it was well-thought-out,
602
00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:35,823
and it blew up really fast.
603
00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:39,660
{\an8}The PAX was very big.
I remember it was all over the city.
604
00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:41,871
{\an8}You saw people using it everywhere.
605
00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:44,874
Every concert you went to,
you saw the little light.
606
00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:48,169
I have a friend
who was a distributor for PAX,
607
00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:50,963
and he was selling
as many as he could get.
608
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:53,299
It started outselling Ploom,
substantially,
609
00:34:53,382 --> 00:34:56,552
so Ploom dropped to the wayside
and PAX took over.
610
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:04,727
The PAX was
a phenomenal success.
611
00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:08,022
Some people could have just said,
"Okay, we did great."
612
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:11,150
"Let's kick back,
enjoy the success for a while."
613
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,820
But there's a certain ceiling
in the cannabis space.
614
00:35:14,403 --> 00:35:17,698
So, the venture capitalists
that would back this
615
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:19,784
were like, "Congratulations, guys."
616
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,871
"You have a successful product,
but that's not what we signed up for."
617
00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:27,041
"We signed up for the big project."
618
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,043
"The project
to solve the smoking problem."
619
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,337
"The $90-billion-a-year project."
620
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:34,257
At the same time, Adam and James,
621
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:38,511
they still wanted to do
a revolutionary product
622
00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:41,264
that delivered revolutionary results.
623
00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:45,226
In this case, saving millions,
if not, possibly, a billion lives.
624
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,770
They still had that dream
625
00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:50,648
and passion to solve
a critical health problem,
626
00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:52,358
and PAX wouldn't be targeting that.
627
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:55,653
So I think that led
to the evolution of the JUUL.
628
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:59,115
In this "move fast
and break things" world of tech,
629
00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:01,993
you should constantly
be cannibalizing your own ideas
630
00:36:02,076 --> 00:36:05,371
and rethinking the way that things work,
all the time.
631
00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:09,292
Look at something that seems good,
and say, "I bet this could be better."
632
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:12,753
{\an8}We said, "We're going to
build something from scratch,
633
00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:14,630
{\an8}from the ground up."
634
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,258
{\an8}That's really how we became JUUL.
635
00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,218
{\an8}As they went back to the drawing board,
636
00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,847
James was focused
on the design side of a new device,
637
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:25,433
while Adam was more focused
on the science.
638
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,812
For James, the design of it
was always number one.
639
00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,481
"Let's make it look like
it came from San Francisco."
640
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:36,690
What they needed
to do was two things.
641
00:36:36,736 --> 00:36:39,697
They needed to make it simple,
easy to use.
642
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,741
That was a problem in the vape industry.
643
00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:45,036
Big devices, complicated,
people would try it,
644
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,955
and if it wasn't easy to use,
they'd put it down.
645
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,000
And the other side of the coin
was satisfying.
646
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:54,086
It had to be satisfying
pretty much from the get-go.
647
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,589
While James focused
on the design side,
648
00:36:56,672 --> 00:37:00,968
Adam was finding a way to deliver
enough nicotine to keep smokers satisfied.
649
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:04,096
There was something missing about
the products we had developed,
650
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,390
and the products on the marketplace.
651
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:08,601
You would vape them, smoke them,
652
00:37:08,684 --> 00:37:11,187
and not get that sensation
of smoking a cigarette.
653
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:14,398
I knew this because
I was still smoking cigarettes.
654
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,277
Earlier generations
of so-called electronic cigarettes
655
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,906
used what's called freebase nicotine,
which was difficult to inhale.
656
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,669
It had a bite in your throat.
657
00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:27,745
{\an8}What it did is it inhibited the ability
to raise the nicotine level up,
658
00:37:27,828 --> 00:37:29,038
{\an8}because it got too bitter.
659
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:32,237
Adam was looking
for an answer to this question
660
00:37:32,291 --> 00:37:36,420
of how to make the nicotine delivery
of his product equal that of a cigarette.
661
00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:40,466
And he found what he was looking for
in cigarette industry research.
662
00:37:40,549 --> 00:37:43,302
What they found is
if you conjugate nicotine
663
00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:47,223
with a weak organic acid,
so-called salt nicotine,
664
00:37:47,306 --> 00:37:49,433
that it tasted much softer.
665
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:51,394
It burned the throat less.
666
00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:56,607
That overcame that harshness
of the traditional e-cigarette.
667
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,318
It's a kind of a chemical trickery
668
00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:03,781
that allows the body's normal
defense mechanisms to be overcome,
669
00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:07,285
{\an8}and is very smooth
and goes down very easily.
670
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:10,121
In the summer of 2013,
671
00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:12,873
Adam brought on a chemist
named Chenyue Xing
672
00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,209
to help with
the nicotine delivery problem.
673
00:38:20,631 --> 00:38:23,634
{\an8}The question was
what would be the right salt formulation.
674
00:38:26,095 --> 00:38:28,848
When they started
doing the chemistry for JUUL,
675
00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:31,892
it was a ramp-up. Incremental ramp-up.
676
00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:34,770
Adam and Chenyue
went outside of some of the protocols
677
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:36,814
in a typical research lab.
678
00:38:36,897 --> 00:38:41,319
They would just recruit their co-workers
to test whatever they were working on.
679
00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:44,405
It was called
"buzz testing",
680
00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:47,825
it's a commonly-used term by smokers
681
00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:52,747
to describe the nicotine head hit
that they feel.
682
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:58,085
The test
was simple. Ten puffs in two minutes.
683
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:02,548
Around the fourth or fifth puff,
I would have to start tallying
684
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:06,052
{\an8}because I'd hit a buzz so hard
I'd be like, "Where am I?"
685
00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:09,764
{\an8}Then I'd come back and be like,
"I'm done with number six."
686
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:14,977
The potency, I had never really felt
anything like that before
687
00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:17,688
since high school,
when I tried my first cigarette.
688
00:39:18,272 --> 00:39:20,232
Like a punch in the face, "Whoa."
689
00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:23,110
It really opened our minds
to what was possible.
690
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:26,864
As soon as we tried nicotine salts,
we were like, "Boom."
691
00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:29,158
"All right, we're done. This is it."
692
00:39:29,241 --> 00:39:33,746
Now it was something
that could actually satisfy a smoker.
693
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:39,543
Adam discovered the secret sauce
to making it effective.
694
00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:43,296
Everyone knew.
695
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:45,800
This is it. We crushed it.
696
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,888
At the 2014 holiday party,
697
00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:53,891
it wasn't more than 25 of us in this room.
698
00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:57,311
{\an8}They got in front of us,
pulled out the JUUL and showed us.
699
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:02,983
Sleek little design,
no moving parts, no on/off button.
700
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:05,903
{\an8}The shape of the pod
sort of told you how to insert it.
701
00:40:05,986 --> 00:40:08,656
That simplicity, I was like,
"Everyone's gonna love this."
702
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,827
Everybody was comparing it
to an Apple product.
703
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:15,871
"God. It's like an iPod,
except it's for a vape."
704
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:19,417
There were smokers who hit it
and their eyes lit up.
705
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,877
Like, "We found it. This is great."
706
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,796
I knew
that it was significant
707
00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:25,923
when I took the first couple of puffs
708
00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:29,343
because the nicotine delivery was
far better than anything I'd tried.
709
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:34,265
To be honest, I not only got a head rush,
I almost vomited. It was that strong.
710
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:38,519
I did have a pull off of it,
and I was like, "Damn."
711
00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:42,148
The plume that came out of it
was so satisfying,
712
00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:46,402
and exactly what I think anybody
who wants to vape wanted to feel.
713
00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:48,946
It was a home run.
714
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,049
It didn't look like
an object that might be abused.
715
00:40:53,075 --> 00:40:54,869
It looked like a thumb drive.
716
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,038
And so, that was part
of the genius of the designers,
717
00:40:58,122 --> 00:41:00,124
make something that not only delivered
718
00:41:00,207 --> 00:41:04,795
a perfect level of nicotine to the brain,
but could be used almost anywhere.
719
00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:10,009
And in that sense, it's the culmination
of this century-long effort
720
00:41:10,092 --> 00:41:12,803
to produce a perfect engine of addiction.
721
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:15,848
I think JUUL
should have asked the question,
722
00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,602
"If we make the greatest e-cig
in the world, is that a good idea?"
723
00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:23,522
"Is that a thing
we should bring into the world?"
724
00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:26,609
But once they decided to,
a lot of what happened after that
725
00:41:26,692 --> 00:41:28,486
feels inevitable to me.
726
00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:31,697
E-cigarette use has skyrocketed
among America's youth.
727
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:33,616
An epidemic among adolescents.
728
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:36,327
No one should
use vaping products, period.
729
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,787
{\an8}You're nothing but a marketer of a poison.
730
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:42,750
{\an8}JUUL's getting richer
while people are getting sicker!
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