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How often do you come to Brooklyn?
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Honestly, the only
time I come to Brooklyn
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is to eat at this neighborhood.
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Frankies, Pok Pok, and if the
line is not too long, Lucali's.
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But the main reason I come
is to eat at Lucali's.
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My favorite time to come
here is the summer or spring,
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when you can bring your own beer,
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if the line's long, you
put your name down...
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- You hang out.
- Hang out.
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Sometimes I get a couple spicy tuna
rolls at the sushi place on the corner.
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- Really?
- Yeah!
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When I first opened,
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I made the dough one night and
I didn't put enough water in it.
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I couldn't stretch it.
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So, I called my brother. He
lives right around the block.
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I was like, "Yo, bring
Grandma's rolling pin in here."
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The line was crazy and
I couldn't make pizza.
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He took too long. I just
grabbed a wine bottle,
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started doing it, the
pizzas came out better.
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When you roll it, you get
more of a flat, crispier pie.
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How did you end up with that dough?
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It's what I made.
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You know, it's like I says, I
thought, "Yeah, it's dough."
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I didn't know the whole
process and everything.
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You're not opening a pizzeria, are you?
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In the kitchen, I love the camaraderie
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of being able to work with other people.
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I looked at it as this
band of outsiders.
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One reason why I got into food
was because it was exactly that.
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It was, I guess, a form
of rebellion and badass,
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right, and badass through your food...
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That had this crazy
dichotomy of personality
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where they could barely take care
of themselves outside the kitchen,
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but inside the kitchen, they
were like special forces,
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highly trained assassins.
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A little light on the sauce,
but other than that...
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- I thought it was good on the sauce.
- Eh.
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So why pizza? Why pizza for you?
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Growing up as a kid, I was like,
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"If I was making pizza,
I'd do it this way."
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A friend of mine opened a pizzeria.
I said, "I wanna try making a pie,"
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and, like, I did it my way.
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And, he was like, "Wow,
that's a pretty good pizza."
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Mark Iacono in Lucali, I went
to it when it was not open yet.
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It's part of his shtick
that they're not fully open.
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And hearing the story of growing
up there, in the candy shop,
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and he'd gone there when it was closing.
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He couldn't bear to see that, so
he left his job as a marble cutter
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to open this pizzeria
for his neighborhood.
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See the difference
when you cook it slow?
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Wow. Totally.
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This is my favorite pie.
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- I tell everyone.
- This, as far as my pie,
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- or just...
- This is my favorite pizza.
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I voted for this on the top
50 restaurants in the world.
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- Again. Yeah!
- Again? Thank you.
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You would wish that on
him? He's such a nice man.
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- I have to be truthful.
- I'm here just making pies,
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I don't even pay attention
to what goes on out there.
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But then it's a debate of
what is actually pizza?
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If we were in Naples, would
they consider this pizza?
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- I can care less what they consider.
- Thank you.
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Right. What if you put barbecue
chicken and cilantro on top of it?
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You've had a barbecue
chicken pizza in your day.
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- No, I haven't.
- Really?
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I stick to the traditional
New York toppings.
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- Here...
- I try to do them really well.
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Is there, so... Where is the
outer limit of toppings for you?
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You can throw ramen
on top of pizza dough.
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- Is it pizza?
- Please, don't.
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Nah.
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What is that?
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This is Maguro tuna.
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Hmm.
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Wow.
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Please just separate it a
little like this and try it.
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A little wasabi and soy sauce.
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Oh, we're gonna get destroyed
with food, aren't we?
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Delicious.
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- You want a fork?
- No.
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That was mean. That was
mean of me, Aziz, I'm sorry.
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Uh, please come here.
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What is going on? Where
did you come from?
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I dunno what's happening. We're
supposed to be talking about pizza.
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That's right. That's right.
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That's a Japanese tip.
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If you don't know what's
going on, you just say...
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We're going to surprise you, Chang-san.
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Maybe life is a computer simulation.
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This is us Vanilla Sky-ing ourselves.
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First, please eat this meaty
red tuna with white vinegar.
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- He wants you to...
- I am perplexed.
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What does he wanna make with this?
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I'll be making pizza with this.
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Pizza?
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Yes, pizza.
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I used to make a tuna-wasabi
pizza, believe it or not.
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- Where was that? Wow.
- At The Mercer Kitchen.
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I don't even, I'm not going...
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I thought that was about
some dark days at CPK.
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- Yeah.
- California Pizza Kitchens.
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Every day,
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the taste of tuna from the
Japanese sea can change every day.
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Can we get to the pizza though?
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All right, let's cook the pizza.
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So the pizza we're about
to have is all Japanese.
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Every element is from Japan.
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Now what else is special about
this pizza isn't the tomato sauce.
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It's mayonnaise.
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Mayonnaise?
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What?
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What's going on?
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The sauce is original
mayonnaise and, uh, corn.
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Corn?
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Pizza, but sushi.
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This is this one. This is
this one. Please, together.
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Oh, my God, that's fucking delicious.
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A lot of wasabi, okay?
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I didn't even know, like,
that you had this stuff.
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But I also understand, that this is
a very different Japanese mentality
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- of you wanting to do more, different.
- Yes, I know.
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I don't like fusion. Separate.
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How you can say that's not fusion...
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Wait, what's happening?
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I really don't consider this fusion.
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This uses Japanese ingredients.
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I like this. Very Donald Trump
of you. Alternative facts.
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The reason he combined this is
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'cause it's, like, for
you, you're eating sushi.
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Yeah.
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When I thought about how to eat
tasty tuna on a delicious pizza,
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I thought about sushi
and made it that way.
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You realize that every pizza is a
living thing. Each one is different.
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Yes.
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Like snowflakes. But you can eat them.
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Can we just draw the line right now?
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So you...
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For all of America...
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- It's that sauce and cheese.
- Sauce and cheese and dough.
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Let's nip it in the bud.
I'm tired of the arguing.
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So let's just say this.
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Anything else that's not
sauce and cheese is flatbread.
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- Yeah.
- What about for you?
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The first time you ever made me
a pizza, it had mapo tofu on it.
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- It did. It was delicious.
- It was delicious.
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I know you'll say it's not a pizza,
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but one of those places that put salad
on a pizza. They cook the dough...
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Seems like a great thing
to eat salad on top of.
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When you say salad, are you talking
about arugula sprinkled on the...
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How about Chicago? Have you
done Chicago-style pizza?
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I like it.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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- Deep dish pizza?
- Yeah.
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It's a casserole in
a baked edible crust.
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I think New Haven pizza, as a community,
has the best pizza in America.
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Have you spent time up there...
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- I still have not made it there.
- Oh, my gosh.
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It's a surprising statement. I
understand, but you gotta check it out.
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You know what? All right.
I'll take your word for it.
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen,
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welcome aboard the...
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Brooklyn was an amazing
place to grow up.
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There was just so much to do.
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It was very adventurous,
believe it or not.
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As a young kid, going into all the
neighborhoods, it was like Tom Sawyer.
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Like we were running away from home.
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I'm so closed-minded, you know,
New York, New York, New York.
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A lot of people recommend pizzerias to me
and, for the most part, they fall short.
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So now I'm a little leery
about making these trips.
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I gotta step up my
pizza game, my travels.
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When people speak of Connecticut pizza,
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they only mention two
places: Pepe's and Sally's.
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My grandfather, he had this headdress,
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and he would have his
pizzas on his headdress,
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and he would go around
selling his pizzas.
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Wait, he'd transport pizzas on his head?
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- On his head, yeah.
- Okay.
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My grandfather was the
first one in New Haven
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to have a dine-in pizza
restaurant. Frank Pepe's.
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- This is a coal fire.
- Yep.
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This is open hearth.
It's all open inside.
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- Wow.
- This oven was actually a bread baker.
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- This was a bread oven?
- Right.
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- You could fit a lot of pizzas in there.
- Oh, yeah.
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- We're gonna make some pizza?
- We're gonna make some pizza.
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All right. It looks like you
guys use a really wet dough.
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It is. My grandfather, back in the
day, he never had refrigeration.
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- Right.
- So the dough was out all the time.
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I love the rustic look of it.
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- It's not cookie-cutter perfect.
- It shouldn't be.
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We use imported tomatoes from Italy.
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- You season them at all?
- Uh, I can't tell you that.
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All right. You'd have to kill me.
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- How many locations are you at?
- Currently eight.
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Stay out of Brooklyn. I
don't want no competition.
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Wow, look at that. I'm
starting to believe the hype.
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- What are we making now?
- I think we'll make the white clam.
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I've been hearing so
much about this pie.
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As the story goes, there used
to be two houses in front,
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so there was a little
alleyway to get back here.
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There was a guy in the alleyway, he
used to cut clams on the half-shell,
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called Nick, he was a bookie.
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He came in, he goes, "Do you ever
think of putting them on a pizza?"
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Really?
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Put them on the pizza and
that was the end of that.
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All right. You put a
lot of clams on the pie.
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No, it's about normal.
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A little oregano, grated
cheese, fresh garlic.
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- And that's it?
- That's it.
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- Stand back.
- Yeah.
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- You gonna start with the clam?
- Yeah.
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I'll start with the plain.
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I think my favorite so
far is the clam pie.
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I really couldn't envision
how it would taste
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and I'm really surprised
at how good it is.
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One guy once told me, uh, anyone
who puts seafood on a pizza
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should get slapped in the head.
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- I disagree. We all...
- I'd like to slap him in the head now,
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after eating that.
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So how do you feel about pizza now?
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Do you think it's more of an
Italian thing or an American thing?
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Back in the day, this was
a very strong Italian...
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- Predominantly Italian?
- Predominantly Italian neighborhood.
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A lot of the older ones
passed on or moved to Florida.
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How the Italian culture
evolved over the years...
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It really kind of morphed into
something. It's kind of losing its...
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- It's watered down.
- Yeah, it's watered down.
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- It's losing its...
- It has, yeah.
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- We're probably, like, the last...
- Of the Mohicans?
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Yeah, the last breed, you know?
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We're no longer Italian-Americans,
we're American-Italians now.
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I agree, I agree.
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Uh...
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We are the oldest pizzeria in
the world by the same family.
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And we look it. 92 years.
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My grandfather, Anthony Pero,
brought pizza to America.
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It's been the same recipe from day one.
You don't fix something that isn't broken.
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What could I... Cookie, could you
get a good pizza in California?
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No.
240
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No! That's kinda what
I thought she'd say.
241
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How do you feel about a Chicago pie?
242
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No!
243
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No! No!
244
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You see, you're asking these questions
and you haven't even eaten our pizza.
245
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If you ate the pizza, you
wouldn't ask these questions.
246
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See what I'm saying, why
you have to talk to her.
247
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I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut,
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where it is known to have
the best pizza, Pepe's.
249
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And I will say Totonno's
is by far the best pizza.
250
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You should come here in the summer.
251
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You have to wait an hour and a half
around the block in a line to get here.
252
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- What topping you should never put on?
- Pineapple and chicken.
253
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Pineapple! Pineapple!
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Ham, pineapple and chicken.
255
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- And clams.
- Why no clams?
256
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You want clams? Have spaghetti and
clams, that's where it belongs.
257
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That's where clams belong, on spaghetti.
258
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I think New York is pizza.
280
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It became a food for the world
when it came to New York, right?
281
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I think it went from
Italian to Italian-American,
282
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and now it's at American, you know.
283
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I think there's all
three of those things.
284
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Question I have is,
what's the best pizza?
285
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Right? I would rather eat this
than Neapolitan style, so...
286
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Just because it's from Italy
287
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- doesn't mean it's better.
- Thank you.
288
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And that's what I say about pizza.
289
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They invented it, we
Italian-Americans perfected it.
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I am Antonio Pace.
291
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The President of the Association
Verace Pizza Napoletana.
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Our association was founded 32
years ago with a specific purpose:
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Guaranteeing the authority of
pizza to the City of Naples.
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And to spread all over the world the
right way to make a Neapolitan pizza.
295
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For us, Neapolitan pizza
is a philosophy of life.
296
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When we were making pizzas, you
were still fighting with Indians.
297
00:16:39,373 --> 00:16:41,250
- So, you've been to Italy before?
- Never in Naples.
298
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Never in Naples.
299
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It's this way.
300
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We're in the back streets of Naples.
301
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- I love this.
- I know.
302
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I can't quite get over how pretty it is.
303
00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:54,304
I feel like there's an almost obsession
304
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with the idea of Neapolitan
pizza being the first pizza
305
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or the place that pizza comes from.
306
00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:01,854
- It's a romantic story.
- Yeah.
307
00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:06,400
I don't buy so deeply into the
idea of bread topped with things
308
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came from one place, one time.
309
00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,490
I feel as soon as humans figured
out how to mix wheat and water,
310
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they probably started putting shit
on it to try to make it taste better.
311
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- But it is their culture.
- Right.
312
00:17:18,662 --> 00:17:20,414
So, I guess we have to respect it.
313
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Wish I'd taken the line of respecting it,
but now I'm the asshole criticizing it.
314
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Look at this.
315
00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:29,757
- Look at these.
- They look like heirlooms.
316
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- Give me one basket.
- One basket?
317
00:17:35,512 --> 00:17:37,556
Yeah, and two of these.
318
00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:38,891
- No. Two, no.
- No?
319
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Two basket. It's a particular tomato.
320
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- All right, two baskets.
- Yeah.
321
00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:50,778
Our region made tomatoes an
element of gastronomic culture.
322
00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:53,947
So San Marzano tomato is the ideal one.
323
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The Neapolitan pizza came
together in its glorious state
324
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with the use of tomato as food.
325
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That is the mark of
Verace Pizza Napoletana.
326
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It certifies the quality of our pizza.
327
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That mark certifies that
our product is made with
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mozzarella fior di latte Campana.
329
00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:28,816
Our dough is made
according to regulation.
330
00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:31,777
- It looks super wet.
- Yes, very delicate.
331
00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:35,489
You just need 3 or 4 ingredients
for Neapolitan pizza.
332
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Those are the tomatoes you
bought across the street.
333
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This is classic Margherita.
334
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- Parmigiano.
- Parmigiano.
335
00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,127
Makes everything delicious.
336
00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:51,797
Is it okay to put parmesan
cheese on a Neapolitan pizza?
337
00:18:52,381 --> 00:18:54,383
In every pizza, parmesan, yes.
338
00:18:55,592 --> 00:18:57,427
How long does it take
you to cook a pizza?
339
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50 or 60 seconds.
340
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,724
- Wow, that's fast.
- That's fast.
341
00:19:06,353 --> 00:19:09,022
Wow. Just like that.
342
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:15,988
We start a visual check.
343
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The first thing is breaking the crust
344
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and see if inside there
is an alveolar structure.
345
00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:25,038
In this case, the
pizza has fairly risen.
346
00:19:26,915 --> 00:19:29,042
We're about to eat our
first pizza in Naples.
347
00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:34,173
Then we should smell it, even
if it is not really polite.
348
00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:40,846
The smell of the crust should
be a fragrance of fresh bread,
349
00:19:41,471 --> 00:19:43,682
without strong smell of yeast.
350
00:19:46,768 --> 00:19:49,897
So, if you smell the yeast or
the fermentation, it's no good?
351
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,774
Right! If it has a sour
smell, it is not good.
352
00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:58,280
The way to eat pizza is
fold it like a wallet.
353
00:19:58,363 --> 00:20:04,453
After the first bite, you feel
the dough melt in your mouth.
354
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,247
I love the pizza. I'm very into this.
355
00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:11,376
I tried a lot of Neapolitan pizza.
I've never had anything this good.
356
00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:15,505
Maybe we should get another pie?
357
00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:16,965
- Margherita?
- Yeah.
358
00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:18,133
All right, great.
359
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:19,635
Can we get one more?
360
00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:31,480
♪ Pizza, I'm in love with pizza ♪
361
00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:34,233
♪ All I think is pizza ♪
362
00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:38,028
♪ A piece of pizza ♪
363
00:20:38,111 --> 00:20:41,114
♪ And I don't care what they say ♪
364
00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:43,659
♪ I'm gonna eat it anyway ♪
365
00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:47,246
♪ 'Cause it's pizza ♪
366
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,515
Superstar celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck.
367
00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:08,976
Now, he has restaurants
all over the world.
368
00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:13,146
This guy is crazy successful.
He is such a mogul.
369
00:21:15,732 --> 00:21:18,568
- Oh, my God!
- Hi, Chef.
370
00:21:18,652 --> 00:21:19,820
- How are you?
- Sorry, I'm so late.
371
00:21:19,903 --> 00:21:23,573
We can make pizza at midnight,
for breakfast, anytime.
372
00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:27,286
You don't make pizza
yet in your restaurant?
373
00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:28,495
No.
374
00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:32,582
I want to, but I think a lot of
my friends would be upset at me.
375
00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:36,169
You know how upset they were at me.
They say, "An Austrian making pizza?
376
00:21:36,253 --> 00:21:37,671
What the heck?"
377
00:21:37,754 --> 00:21:44,177
If we wanna make pizza the way they
did in Naples 300 years ago, it's okay.
378
00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:48,515
I'm not saying it's not good or
whatever, but it's just not our style.
379
00:21:48,598 --> 00:21:52,144
So, do you think authenticity
is overrated in certain things?
380
00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:55,605
Authenticity, I love it
when you go to a place.
381
00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:58,525
You know, when I'm in Italy,
I wanna taste Italian food.
382
00:21:58,608 --> 00:22:01,903
But America is a
melting pot of cultures.
383
00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:06,533
So, I think there's nothing wrong with
melting some of the cuisines together.
384
00:22:06,616 --> 00:22:10,245
So, in the old times, there
was a guy named Johnny Carson.
385
00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:13,165
- He was what Jimmy Fallon does today.
- Yeah.
386
00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:16,335
- I'm not that young.
- Okay.
387
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:18,628
- I remember Johnny Carson's last episode.
- Oh, yeah?
388
00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,590
Little something here, it's nice.
389
00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:22,966
Can I try it, if you like?
390
00:22:23,050 --> 00:22:25,552
Please sit down, and we'll
give you a Pinacolonic.
391
00:22:27,262 --> 00:22:29,306
Johnny Carson used to
come on Friday nights
392
00:22:29,389 --> 00:22:30,849
and order 10, 12 pizzas to go.
393
00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:32,476
Sit in the sun today?
394
00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,605
- We're going to Spago.
- Spago!
395
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:38,398
After the third or fourth time, I said,
396
00:22:38,482 --> 00:22:40,317
"Johnny, you're having
another pizza party."
397
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,402
He says, "No, I put them in my freezer."
398
00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:45,447
I said, "What the hell? You
put my pizzas in the freezer?
399
00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:46,823
I'm not gonna make
pizzas anymore for you."
400
00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:49,951
He says, "No, it's as good
as the regular one here."
401
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,704
I said, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah." I was so upset.
402
00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:56,875
Finally, I tried it myself,
and I said, "You know what?
403
00:22:56,958 --> 00:23:00,337
Maybe it's not quite as good as ours we
have at Spago, but it's pretty good."
404
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,215
- So, we started doing...
- Johnny Carson is behind...
405
00:23:03,298 --> 00:23:04,758
Behind the frozen pizzas.
406
00:23:04,841 --> 00:23:09,387
But he didn't sign a deal with me so
he didn't get any royalties, thank God.
407
00:23:09,471 --> 00:23:12,099
- Let's do our smoked salmon pizza.
- I wanna see that.
408
00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:13,517
Yeah.
409
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,437
You think we've lost craftsmanship
though? If we're sacrificing creativity?
410
00:23:17,521 --> 00:23:21,108
Creativity is good by somebody
who is a good craftsman.
411
00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:25,779
If you know the basics, if you
know your profession really well,
412
00:23:25,862 --> 00:23:29,116
then you can navigate
and try other things.
413
00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:32,160
If you were from Italy, there is
no way you could have done this.
414
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:33,411
I know.
415
00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:35,330
Because you're an outsider,
you're allowed to do this.
416
00:23:35,413 --> 00:23:36,289
Exactly.
417
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:39,626
My Italian friends would have come
and said, "What the heck is that?"
418
00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:43,547
You have to put a little caviar on top.
419
00:23:44,422 --> 00:23:48,343
But it makes people upset when you
change and challenge convention.
420
00:23:48,426 --> 00:23:51,304
You know, people hate change.
421
00:23:51,388 --> 00:23:54,015
- Aren't you tired of pissing people off?
- No.
422
00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:57,269
- Never?
- As long as I live, I always will do that.
423
00:23:57,352 --> 00:23:59,229
And at the end of the day,
424
00:23:59,312 --> 00:24:02,065
as long as you get enough
other people to come
425
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:05,068
who'll say, "Wow! This is
really interesting," it's fine.
426
00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:06,903
I mean, just talking
to you now, I'm like,
427
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:09,072
"Oh, my gosh! There's
so many similarities."
428
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:11,950
Part of it is there's a
rebellious streak in you. Right?
429
00:24:12,033 --> 00:24:13,493
Yeah. No, totally.
430
00:24:13,577 --> 00:24:17,038
Still today, still today, I think,
431
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:20,917
in a way, for me, I'm more like
the coach now than the player.
432
00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:22,043
No matter how good you are,
433
00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:26,840
you won't wanna play basketball when
you're 45 or 48 or 50 years old.
434
00:24:26,923 --> 00:24:28,675
I use the same analogy
for myself all the time.
435
00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:29,593
Yeah?
436
00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:33,388
Yeah. I can't believe it. I'm a
Korean-American version of you.
437
00:24:33,471 --> 00:24:34,306
Really?
438
00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:40,520
Pizza is a disk of dough.
439
00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:42,981
Toppings must be picked
with a gastronomic culture
440
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:45,066
and sense of taste.
441
00:24:46,234 --> 00:24:48,862
When we wrote our guidelines,
442
00:24:48,945 --> 00:24:51,698
fior di latte cheese
was having a decline.
443
00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:56,203
That's why I, when I wrote
the first guidelines,
444
00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:58,663
I added buffalo mozzarella as an option.
445
00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:12,344
Wow! What makes the buffalo
milk from Campania so special?
446
00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:15,931
In Campania, we started
breeding buffaloes
447
00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:19,142
around the years 1000-1100.
448
00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:20,852
In 1000 A.D.?
449
00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:21,811
Yes.
450
00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:24,773
The animals came from
Northern Africa and Asia,
451
00:25:24,856 --> 00:25:27,567
brought to Italy by the Normans.
452
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:36,409
We are those who know how to make
the real mozzarella di bufala.
453
00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:41,581
There are good industries, of course,
454
00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:44,584
but artisans have something more.
455
00:25:49,547 --> 00:25:51,508
- You good?
- Okay.
456
00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:53,009
All right.
457
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:56,721
- Don't fold.
- I'm trying.
458
00:25:57,305 --> 00:25:59,724
Around the year 1000,
459
00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:02,811
the monastery of Capua
460
00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:08,650
tried to curdle their milk
461
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,611
and make cheese.
462
00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:13,905
They tried to cook it
463
00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:19,536
and noticed that it started straining.
464
00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:26,084
And they found that
the product was tasty.
465
00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:30,922
Easy, just twist it up
into a perfect braid.
466
00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:32,173
Go for it.
467
00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:33,842
I think I'm gonna leave
that to the professionals.
468
00:26:38,138 --> 00:26:41,558
Authenticity, in terms of
storytelling, is important to me,
469
00:26:41,641 --> 00:26:45,770
but authenticity in food is not a thing.
470
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,940
And it's like, whoever gave you
that authentic food experience,
471
00:26:49,024 --> 00:26:51,484
probably has never thought
about themselves as authentic.
472
00:26:52,694 --> 00:26:56,698
There's a reductive quality to
saying that something's authentic.
473
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:10,086
Some things become special
474
00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:12,464
when you try and find your own way.
475
00:27:12,547 --> 00:27:17,010
The starting point was
to do something authentic
476
00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:19,596
by not trying to be authentic.
477
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:23,350
I think that's a big flaw in the
world of pizza, particularly.
478
00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:24,642
That is the most Italian thing,
479
00:27:24,726 --> 00:27:26,936
but if you only look at
how it used to be done,
480
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:28,980
or how it's supposed to be done,
481
00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:30,565
you don't allow yourself
to move it forward.
482
00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:34,027
If you do an authentic Neapolitan pizza,
483
00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:38,365
you must import buffalo mozzarella
from the Campania region.
484
00:27:38,448 --> 00:27:40,408
Now, who makes these rules...
485
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:44,788
...has an obvious interest in
the export of buffalo mozzarella.
486
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:49,542
So, how is it that you can be
told that freshness is everything?
487
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,337
That in Naples, they say you
have 24 different mozzarellas
488
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:54,672
for every hour after it's been produced.
489
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,007
But you still you need
to buy it in import,
490
00:27:56,091 --> 00:27:57,675
and it's gonna take you seven
days to get it to Copenhagen.
491
00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,052
It didn't make sense to me.
492
00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,347
If I need freshness, we'll
need to make it ourselves.
493
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:03,264
You taught yourself how to make it?
494
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:05,141
- YouTube.
- YouTube?
495
00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:06,851
- Amazing.
- A lot of YouTube,
496
00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:10,522
a lot of research, a lot of
experimenting, a lot of shit mozzarella.
497
00:28:10,605 --> 00:28:13,024
Then, last year, we got cows.
498
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,572
We got our own milk from
our own herd of Jersey cows.
499
00:28:20,156 --> 00:28:21,950
The mozzarella just...
500
00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:23,993
Like magical dust on it.
501
00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:24,911
It was crazy.
502
00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:27,872
Much, much better.
503
00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,792
- You're a big-ass dreamer.
- Yeah, I am.
504
00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:32,460
That's what I've always
admired about you.
505
00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,421
You just fucking go for it.
506
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:37,966
I always make fun of my friends
that are Italian chefs that
507
00:28:38,049 --> 00:28:39,884
you can't fuck with
anything that's Italian.
508
00:28:39,968 --> 00:28:42,178
And that tradition,
509
00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:46,182
that, like, fear of doing something
that is not really Italian,
510
00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:49,352
which, as an immigrant,
for me was a big deal.
511
00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:52,021
I so wanted to be Italian,
wanted to feel Italian.
512
00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:55,650
I want... I was like, "You know
what? I'm mixed. My mom is Norwegian.
513
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,652
- I'm born in Italy, my father is Italian."
- Yeah.
514
00:28:57,736 --> 00:28:58,903
I'm a big mix. I don't care.
515
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:02,198
This idea of everything
is in a certain way
516
00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:03,533
and it should be kept that way,
517
00:29:03,616 --> 00:29:07,620
has really been, like,
provoking me to tinker,
518
00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:10,331
to say, "I think this
can be done better."
519
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:16,755
I hate being on camera, and being like,
"Oh, that's so delicious." I'm like...
520
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,590
'cause it seems so lame,
521
00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:20,759
- but it's fucking delicious.
- Right.
522
00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:26,055
Our pizza is sourdough-based.
523
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,099
Like, the traditional pizza is on yeast,
524
00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:31,186
and it is a fast fermentation,
it's a fast food.
525
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:34,773
If you do a real Neapolitan
pizza, you will probably have
526
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,691
the outside, the crust
on it, be bigger...
527
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,109
- More bubbles.
- ...more open. Yeah.
528
00:29:38,193 --> 00:29:40,236
But what I think is a huge factor is
529
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,574
when you open this, if you smell
this, it doesn't smell of yeast.
530
00:29:44,657 --> 00:29:48,203
And there is no pizza that has yeast
in it where you cannot smell the yeast.
531
00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:51,831
And for me, it's like, you
put a... you put a cap on it.
532
00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:55,084
It's not possible to, flavor-wise,
develop something that is not that thing.
533
00:29:55,168 --> 00:29:57,420
It's funny to me because
Italians should be
534
00:29:57,504 --> 00:30:00,590
proponents of the sourdough
method, and not the yeast method.
535
00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:02,509
- That doesn't make sense.
- Yeah.
536
00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:06,054
But in that trade-off
between flavor and texture,
537
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:07,889
this is our choice.
538
00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:12,811
Think about all the bad
Italian restaurants in America.
539
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:14,187
- Yeah.
- Think about
540
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:17,482
all the restaurants that open
up in New York City to this day.
541
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:18,691
How many are Italian?
542
00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:21,486
Just, Italian never goes out of style.
543
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:25,406
I think that Italian-American
food is a source of anger for you.
544
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:26,825
You're jealous of the success...
545
00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:29,118
- Yes. Jealous.
- ...and acceptance
546
00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:32,121
that Italian-American
cuisine receives in America.
547
00:30:32,205 --> 00:30:36,584
And it's not really anger, it's
just sort of rage that, uh...
548
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:40,964
I don't understand why Italian
food, Italian-American food,
549
00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,174
is so beloved in this country,
550
00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:45,093
- more than anything else.
- Have you ever had it?
551
00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:46,970
- Of course I've had it.
- It's very delicious.
552
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:49,722
What about bad pizza?
What about Domino's Pizza?
553
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,015
Did you ever have...
554
00:30:51,099 --> 00:30:54,644
I grew up in the suburbs and
Domino's was the pizza of my youth.
555
00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:56,980
It's good. It's pretty good right now.
556
00:30:57,063 --> 00:30:58,064
What?
557
00:30:58,147 --> 00:30:59,816
- No?
- Not the one I had.
558
00:30:59,899 --> 00:31:01,568
Is it because you know
more about pizza now?
559
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,778
No, no. I was really,
really disappointed.
560
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,446
Don't be upset at me.
561
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,866
- No, I'm not.
- But I order Domino's,
562
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:11,202
you know, occasionally,
once a couple of months.
563
00:31:11,286 --> 00:31:12,787
I'll send you pies more often.
564
00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:20,003
Delivery.
565
00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,463
What do you want on your pizza, man?
566
00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:23,590
- Why don't you get...
- Get a plain pie.
567
00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:26,342
You get a plain pie and then make
one of your insane creations.
568
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:27,260
Don't be jerks.
569
00:31:27,343 --> 00:31:28,845
We'll wait till the
pizza's here to be jerks.
570
00:31:28,928 --> 00:31:31,139
Do you want hand-tossed,
thin crust, Brooklyn style?
571
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:32,515
- Brooklyn style?
- Yeah, thin crust one.
572
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,435
Let's go with the
thin-crust Brooklyn style.
573
00:31:40,273 --> 00:31:41,357
Hi.
574
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:45,278
I'm Walter Green, a New
York City-based human,
575
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:46,905
who sometimes eats unhealthy food
576
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,532
and then writes about it
for small amounts of money.
577
00:31:49,616 --> 00:31:53,536
I also happen to enjoy eating
unhealthy food in my personal life.
578
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:56,080
So, when this production
offered me the opportunity
579
00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:58,833
to attend the world-famous
Pizza Expo in Las Vegas,
580
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,752
I jumped at the chance.
581
00:32:00,835 --> 00:32:03,713
Please, sit down, strap in, and join me
582
00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:06,174
as I dive directly into the heart
of the pizza industrial complex.
583
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:12,764
I took a hit of acid.
584
00:32:12,847 --> 00:32:15,475
I've been awake for 24 hours straight.
585
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,686
We have some food professionals,
586
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,772
some pizza inventors.
587
00:32:22,273 --> 00:32:23,483
Pizza!
588
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:50,009
Is the goal just to find more
customers? Stuff like that?
589
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:51,219
That's the game.
590
00:32:51,302 --> 00:32:52,345
- Amazing.
- Sales.
591
00:32:57,266 --> 00:33:00,353
We got people going up for
deals, talking price per unit.
592
00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:19,706
Where it really became as big
as this is in the mid '80s,
593
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:22,917
when pizza, really, as an
independent group, really took off.
594
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,045
One order of tomato sauce coming up!
595
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:29,632
Fun to play with, not to eat!
596
00:33:37,598 --> 00:33:40,810
Mmm, you're delicious!
597
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:50,278
There's a rat in there. Just
kidding. There's not a rat.
598
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:55,908
But it could fit a human. It
could definitely fit a human body.
599
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:01,873
David Chang. Yeah, two pies.
600
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:02,957
Thank you, sir.
601
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,709
Man, you got something...
602
00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:10,089
This is my Domino's order.
603
00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:12,508
Do you offer free points for free pizza?
604
00:34:12,592 --> 00:34:14,635
Just... Hey. Just stop
with your fucking jokes.
605
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,016
So, this is a thin crust pizza with
alfredo sauce, onions and bacon.
606
00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:21,559
It's like an Alsatian pie.
607
00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:25,188
Let's go for it.
608
00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:27,732
- Oh, squares, they've cut it into.
- Really?
609
00:34:32,987 --> 00:34:34,781
Come on, you don't like it?
It's not bad for eating.
610
00:34:34,864 --> 00:34:37,033
- No. No, I like it. It's not pizza.
- Yeah.
611
00:34:37,116 --> 00:34:38,409
- It's not pizza.
- What do you mean?
612
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:40,495
It's not pizza.
613
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,705
- I wanna try the pizza.
- All right.
614
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:43,998
Wow, look at that.
615
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:46,209
This is the Brooklyn-style Domino's.
616
00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:50,296
You've just done a side-by-side. And?
617
00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:53,674
No. No, no, no.
618
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:54,967
I mean, I'd much rather have your pie.
619
00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,220
I'm not trying to be disgraceful here.
620
00:34:57,303 --> 00:34:59,138
I don't think the appeal
of this pizza has to do
621
00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,015
with its flavor, or its
texture, or its composition.
622
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:04,352
I think it has to do with its
availability and its price point.
623
00:35:04,435 --> 00:35:07,105
Again, it's like, it's
what you grew up on.
624
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:09,524
I went to a real, authentic
Chinese restaurant.
625
00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:11,859
And I found it terrible.
626
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,655
To me it was that, it wasn't
something that I was used to.
627
00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:19,033
This is what they grew up on.
This is what they had access to.
628
00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:24,080
But... I still, sort of,
weirdly, celebrate this too.
629
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:27,583
It's pretty weird.
630
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:30,670
No, no. I wanna do it in...
631
00:35:30,753 --> 00:35:32,171
I'm not gonna do this.
632
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:37,051
I'm one of the biggest snobs you've
ever met. But I hate elitism.
633
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,137
And snobs in general.
634
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,598
I guess what I hate is being
told that I can't like something.
635
00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:44,517
"Oh, you can't do this."
636
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,602
"Fuck you, I'm definitely
gonna do this."
637
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:53,734
I think the main reason I
like Domino's is because
638
00:35:53,818 --> 00:35:57,655
I'm being told by the culinary
snob patrol that I can't like it.
639
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:02,910
It's not something I eat all the time,
but it reminds me of, like, growing up,
640
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:05,663
'cause this is literally the
pizza that I grew up eating...
641
00:36:05,746 --> 00:36:07,665
- ...you know?
- Mmm-hmm. Are you from Alexandria? Yeah.
642
00:36:07,748 --> 00:36:09,208
- Northern Virginia. Yeah, Vienna.
- Yeah.
643
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:15,923
One pepperoni topping goes 30.
Two toppings go 24 pepperonis.
644
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:16,883
- Twenty-four?
- Yeah.
645
00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:18,301
Three toppings go 18 pepperonis.
646
00:36:18,384 --> 00:36:22,680
So, as more toppings you add,
less quantity you have to put in.
647
00:36:22,763 --> 00:36:24,182
How many combinations can you make?
648
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:25,308
Thirty-four million.
649
00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:27,977
- Thirty-four million?
- Pizza combinations.
650
00:36:30,479 --> 00:36:32,690
This is, like, very
exciting for me to see.
651
00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:35,318
'Cause this is years and years and years
652
00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:39,614
of a lot of people's efforts to
make it as streamlined as possible.
653
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,035
I can no longer taste anything.
654
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:47,163
You'll probably like this.
Look how this comes in.
655
00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:50,708
It's already cut. We don't
have to cut anything.
656
00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,084
That's wild.
657
00:36:52,168 --> 00:36:53,169
So...
658
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,713
Can you even eat your product anymore?
659
00:36:55,796 --> 00:36:58,090
I can, but I'd rather
go to your restaurant.
660
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:02,762
This right here, on a Super Bowl
Sunday, probably 300 come out per hour.
661
00:37:02,845 --> 00:37:04,180
Wow!
662
00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:07,058
I love the app. I love
tracking where it's at.
663
00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:11,020
So, how... Are you pressing so it
updates on the app continuously?
664
00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:14,607
No. When the pizza's loaded in
the oven, we kill it on that,
665
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:16,317
so it comes off the
screen, so it's made.
666
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,528
The computer's gonna add the time that
you have the oven setting at to it.
667
00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:20,488
Oh, that's crazy.
668
00:37:20,571 --> 00:37:25,117
And then, when you dispatch there,
it knows that it left in 12 minutes.
669
00:37:25,201 --> 00:37:27,286
So, it sat here for three minutes.
670
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:28,537
That's what's crazy to me is,
671
00:37:28,621 --> 00:37:31,916
I don't even think that Domino's
is a food company anymore.
672
00:37:31,999 --> 00:37:33,626
- I think of you as a tech company.
- We're technology?
673
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,882
- You wanna get driver training?
- Yeah.
674
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:41,842
You're gonna be with
Bill, delivering pizzas.
675
00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:43,219
- How are you? Good?
- Very good.
676
00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:46,347
First thing you do, you get the order
in the bag, get it set, ready to go.
677
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:48,849
We'll head out the door and
take a slight jog to my truck.
678
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:50,059
All right.
679
00:37:50,142 --> 00:37:51,560
You here.
680
00:37:53,437 --> 00:37:54,480
Oh, my God.
681
00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:56,107
Seat belts on first.
682
00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,193
Safety first.
683
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:02,947
Can you talk about Franco Pepe, who
broke off from your association?
684
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:07,618
It is a pleasure for me to answer
this question with this nice story.
685
00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:09,787
Of course, Franco Pepe, okay.
686
00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:13,040
All the famous pizza makers
today started with us.
687
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:16,043
So I love to say that
they are all our children.
688
00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:19,171
Even if some of them
were not my best work.
689
00:38:28,389 --> 00:38:31,017
We could spend our entire trip
walking on these little streets.
690
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,227
I know. What do you
think of Naples so far?
691
00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:34,687
I'm loving it.
692
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:36,397
And now we're in Caiazzo?
693
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,442
"Caiazzo?" My Italian.
694
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:40,359
I gotta work on it.
695
00:38:40,443 --> 00:38:41,777
Yeah. You and me both.
696
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:46,324
Many people don't believe me,
697
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:49,535
but I had dreamed of this place.
698
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,204
- Where is everybody?
- I don't know.
699
00:38:52,288 --> 00:38:54,540
- They're all at his pizzeria.
- They're all... yeah.
700
00:38:54,623 --> 00:38:58,711
Many pizza makers just
add toppings to pizza.
701
00:38:58,794 --> 00:39:01,005
No, in my opinion,
702
00:39:01,088 --> 00:39:04,342
it's in the simplicity
that makes a difference.
703
00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:07,053
- Oh, this is it?
- Yeah.
704
00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:09,680
We're here. This place gotta be good.
705
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,060
When I opened my business in this alley,
706
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:18,939
the city center was almost abandoned.
All small shops were closing down.
707
00:39:19,023 --> 00:39:23,778
Everyone kept saying to me,
"He's crazy! He's crazy!"
708
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:30,785
And now, after four years,
many shops have opened again.
709
00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:33,746
Many people have come to eat my pizza.
710
00:39:34,663 --> 00:39:36,957
So, you cook the pie first?
711
00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:41,420
Well, instead of putting
tomato, I only put mozzarella.
712
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:46,133
Then, when it comes out of the oven, I
put the tomato and a basil reduction.
713
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:49,428
This was my intuition, an idea of mine.
714
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:51,680
So when you eat the pizza,
715
00:39:51,764 --> 00:39:56,602
you totally feel the taste of tomato,
716
00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:59,522
mozzarella, basil and of olive oil.
717
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,359
This is the Mistaken Margherita!
718
00:40:04,151 --> 00:40:06,737
It tastes like a
traditional Neapolitan pie.
719
00:40:07,863 --> 00:40:08,989
With everything amped up a little bit.
720
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,078
There's our address. 234.
Very simple, very easy.
721
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,832
This is surreal.
722
00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:19,458
So, is there a greeting?
Can we say anything?
723
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:22,336
First, let's run to the door.
Let the customer know we're...
724
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,547
- You gotta hustle.
- You gotta hustle. You run to the door
725
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:27,049
'cause you never know if they're
standing there looking at you.
726
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,175
- Hello.
- Hi, how are you?
727
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:29,176
- Hello.
- Hello.
728
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:30,469
You ordered two medium pies.
729
00:40:30,553 --> 00:40:32,179
- One with cheese, one with black olives?
- Yes.
730
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:33,806
Let me get you your change.
731
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:34,807
It's all right.
732
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:35,766
- You sure?
- Sure.
733
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:37,726
Oh, thank you very much.
You have a wonderful day.
734
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:38,811
- Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
735
00:40:38,894 --> 00:40:40,396
- Take care.
- Bye, guys.
736
00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:44,900
And, basically, that's it.
737
00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:46,402
That was weird.
738
00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:53,242
I got this one.
739
00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:56,620
Wait for the car. Go, run across.
740
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:03,961
I give him the receipt?
741
00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:08,132
Uh, no. Receipt's just for us.
Everything's attached to the box for them.
742
00:41:09,967 --> 00:41:11,343
Hi, Ricardo.
743
00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:12,678
This is your...
744
00:41:12,761 --> 00:41:14,430
You gotta take it out of the bag.
We don't wanna give him that.
745
00:41:14,513 --> 00:41:16,682
Sorry, my first day on the job.
746
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:22,146
Those who are eating pizza here
747
00:41:22,229 --> 00:41:26,650
can watch my team working
downstairs, making pizza.
748
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:28,903
You stream this on the Internet?
749
00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:30,446
It's the new open kitchen.
750
00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:33,032
I created a corner, three tables.
751
00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:37,244
A sommelier matches pizzas
with wine and champagne.
752
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,288
This is the champagne
room we're going into now.
753
00:41:41,248 --> 00:41:42,917
Wow. Look at that.
754
00:41:44,585 --> 00:41:47,254
You ever thought about, like, buying
the apartment upstairs above Lucali,
755
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:49,173
and doing a little bit of this action?
756
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,134
Put a pole where I could slide down.
757
00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:53,552
Wow!
758
00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:54,762
Wait till you see this.
759
00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:56,514
These are reserved tables.
760
00:41:56,597 --> 00:42:02,436
I have created this corner for
people who want to eat pizza.
761
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,522
On their own, in silence.
762
00:42:04,605 --> 00:42:06,440
I could get... I would
charge $1,000 for it.
763
00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:07,983
- Just to sit there.
- Yeah.
764
00:42:08,567 --> 00:42:09,944
Pizza extra.
765
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:11,278
This is pizza heaven.
766
00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:12,988
Yeah, I don't know
that you can do better.
767
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:14,073
No.
768
00:42:15,407 --> 00:42:17,660
We need to take video for Dave.
769
00:42:17,743 --> 00:42:20,412
Right, yeah. Yeah, if Dave was
here, he'd be ordering Domino's.
770
00:42:20,496 --> 00:42:22,456
He would be on his app,
trying to figure out
771
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:25,918
if he could get 'em to send one
up here, his favorite pizza.
772
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:33,259
Has anyone offered you anything
other than money? Like a favor?
773
00:42:33,342 --> 00:42:36,428
We do have a regular customer
in our Patterson store.
774
00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:39,473
She always comes to the
door wearing a negligee.
775
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:42,142
Very see-through, and
nothing at all underneath it.
776
00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:45,187
- Does she tip big?
- No, I think that is the tip.
777
00:42:47,523 --> 00:42:49,733
Who doesn't wanna be a pizza man?
778
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:54,863
It does come from my grandmother's
kitchen and her palate.
779
00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:57,116
When you're in my restaurant...
780
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,077
it's like, you're not
coming there to eat pizza,
781
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,912
you're going there to visit Mark.
782
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:06,166
Kind of, like, every Sunday,
going to her house to have dinner.
783
00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,963
So what do you make of, like,
the Neapolitan pizza consortium?
784
00:43:11,046 --> 00:43:14,300
The people who give out
the stamp that say it's...
785
00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:16,176
DOC or DOP.
786
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,054
Is that a shakedown or is
there some merit to it?
787
00:43:23,017 --> 00:43:26,729
For me, only good pizza exists.
788
00:43:32,067 --> 00:43:33,944
Again, we wanna jog up and make sure
789
00:43:34,028 --> 00:43:35,863
that if they're looking at
us, or anyone else is looking,
790
00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:37,239
we're representing who we are.
791
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,993
So I tell the new pizza makers,
792
00:43:41,076 --> 00:43:44,830
look inside yourself to create
an identity for your pizza,
793
00:43:44,913 --> 00:43:48,125
and try to offer it to people
in the best possible way.
794
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,337
Okay, I have no idea
how to get in this door.
795
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,547
Have you ever just eaten the pizza?
796
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:55,841
- No, never done that.
- Can we do that now?
797
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,678
- Salute!
- Salute!
798
00:44:04,058 --> 00:44:05,309
I'm at the door downstairs.
799
00:44:05,392 --> 00:44:07,645
Looks like the machine, I don't
know if it's not working or not.
800
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:10,606
Is there any way you can
buzz me in? Thank you, bye.
801
00:44:10,689 --> 00:44:11,690
Do you think Domino's...
802
00:44:11,774 --> 00:44:14,860
- What?
- ...is the best pizza in the world?
803
00:44:14,943 --> 00:44:16,445
Not to put you on the spot, but I am.
804
00:44:16,528 --> 00:44:18,656
It's very good. It is very good pizza.
805
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:22,534
When done correctly, our pizza
is, it's up there with anybody.
806
00:44:22,618 --> 00:44:24,328
And I've been to...
807
00:44:24,411 --> 00:44:28,123
I actually went to Italy to look for
the right pizza, the perfect pizza.
808
00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:30,584
And I gotta tell you
that, went to four cities,
809
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:32,586
and in those four cities, I
could have made a better pizza
810
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,630
than every one of them made.
811
00:44:34,713 --> 00:44:37,299
If people that like Domino's,
and only like Domino's,
812
00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:38,676
but they haven't had any other pizza...
813
00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:40,427
Right, it's a different product.
814
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:43,555
- Correct.
- It's...
815
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,016
I now have a wealth of pizza knowledge.
816
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,977
I'm not saying Domino's is
not delicious, but I'm...
817
00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:50,854
- I love Domino's.
- Yes.
818
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:52,564
But I'm not saying it's the
greatest pizza in the world.
819
00:44:52,648 --> 00:44:53,482
Okay.
820
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:55,109
Is that the guy?
821
00:44:58,278 --> 00:45:04,660
A Netflix documentary on delivery
and pizzas. Pizza delivery.
822
00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:06,703
All right. Thank you very much.
823
00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:09,915
That's it? We're done? I'm
not doing another delivery.
824
00:45:19,258 --> 00:45:22,302
I view authenticity like
a totalitarian state.
825
00:45:23,345 --> 00:45:26,557
It's something that, I
think, has been overvalued.
826
00:45:27,141 --> 00:45:29,935
But reality is, it hasn't
been scrutinized enough.
827
00:45:31,437 --> 00:45:34,940
If you really boil it down to why
food in Italy is gonna be so good,
828
00:45:35,524 --> 00:45:38,318
it's because you're there, the
terroir makes a big difference.
829
00:45:38,402 --> 00:45:39,903
There's microorganisms.
830
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:44,575
There's the people there, there's
the smells. It's what makes it.
831
00:45:45,826 --> 00:45:47,828
It's not that I hate authenticity.
832
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:52,040
I hate that people want this
singular thing that is authentic.
833
00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:55,711
There are people that
are making Italian food
834
00:45:55,794 --> 00:45:59,256
that are more Italian
in its idea and thesis
835
00:45:59,339 --> 00:46:01,675
than anyone in Italy is making,
836
00:46:01,758 --> 00:46:04,761
because they're not using
anything that's imported.
837
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:07,431
They're using everything
that's around them.
838
00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:10,476
Last year in Japan,
839
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:14,813
I told our Japanese members that I was
pleased for the extremely high level
840
00:46:14,897 --> 00:46:16,023
of their product.
841
00:46:16,106 --> 00:46:18,066
Then I said, "No, please stop improving.
842
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:22,196
Because, if you make pizza better
than we do, I'd get really angry."
843
00:46:23,655 --> 00:46:25,824
You think that we can do
anything better in America
844
00:46:25,908 --> 00:46:28,160
than the Japanese do here?
845
00:46:28,243 --> 00:46:34,124
Japanese are so dedicated in a
way that Americans are just not.
846
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:37,211
This is true.
847
00:46:43,509 --> 00:46:45,552
Konnichiwa!
848
00:46:48,096 --> 00:46:50,807
I love this restaurant because
849
00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:55,479
it embodies everything I love about
what I think authenticity should be.
850
00:46:56,063 --> 00:47:00,734
I went to Naples 23 years ago.
851
00:47:00,817 --> 00:47:05,739
It was just for fun, but not to study.
852
00:47:05,822 --> 00:47:08,116
Basically, I just went there to eat.
853
00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:10,118
Learn through eating.
854
00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:19,086
Very funny. Very funny.
855
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:22,923
When I first started at a pizzeria,
856
00:47:23,006 --> 00:47:26,843
everything was imported from Italy,
but it wasn't of good quality.
857
00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:32,349
Everyone thinks that delicious
pizza is made from Italian flour,
858
00:47:32,432 --> 00:47:35,644
but I think that's wrong.
859
00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:38,522
Fresh flour is best.
860
00:47:38,605 --> 00:47:42,109
So if you're in Japan,
it's Japanese flour.
861
00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:49,408
Everything was imitation
at first. Everything.
862
00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:56,498
The music, the food,
everything started as a copy.
863
00:47:56,582 --> 00:48:01,253
But I think Japanese people
are good at taking something
864
00:48:01,336 --> 00:48:05,090
and making it their
own, making it original.
865
00:48:05,716 --> 00:48:08,385
That's true in a lot of art forms.
866
00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:11,013
If you watch the progression
of people that are great,
867
00:48:11,096 --> 00:48:14,224
they often start just
imitating things they like.
868
00:48:15,142 --> 00:48:18,604
And then, over time, they
develop their own style,
869
00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:21,064
and then they evolve beyond it.
870
00:48:23,775 --> 00:48:27,362
When I tell people I think the
best pizza in the world's in Tokyo,
871
00:48:27,446 --> 00:48:29,406
- they get really upset, you know?
- I see. Yeah...
872
00:48:29,489 --> 00:48:31,283
But people get upset.
873
00:48:31,366 --> 00:48:33,493
They don't get upset when I say
the best sushi, the best ramen,
874
00:48:33,577 --> 00:48:36,246
- the best French restaurant...
- I think, on first hearing it,
875
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:38,874
their gut reaction is just one of shock.
876
00:48:38,957 --> 00:48:42,794
Or are they not believing it because
877
00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:46,131
people believe it's gotta be this
Italian, Italian-American thing?
878
00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:50,677
What Naples has given me is pizza,
879
00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:54,514
which I make in the image of myself.
880
00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:02,314
This is, to me, the best way
881
00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:05,859
to show homage to something
you love the most.
882
00:49:05,942 --> 00:49:08,403
By not replicating it with
the exact ingredients.
883
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:14,720
What did I know about pizza? But I care.
884
00:50:14,803 --> 00:50:18,682
Whether I was Italian, Asian,
885
00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:23,520
as long as I care about what I'm doing,
and wanna put the best product out there.
886
00:50:23,603 --> 00:50:25,439
Is it so cheesy to say that
887
00:50:25,522 --> 00:50:27,691
as long as you care, or if
you put love into the food,
888
00:50:27,774 --> 00:50:29,401
- it's gonna be delicious?
- No.
889
00:50:29,484 --> 00:50:31,862
No, no, no. No. You still
need to know what...
890
00:50:32,946 --> 00:50:34,364
you know, good pizza tastes like.
891
00:50:35,449 --> 00:50:37,909
I liked the way you tried to
tightly wrap that up, though.
892
00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:39,536
That was good.
893
00:50:39,619 --> 00:50:41,538
- Like that?
- Yeah.
894
00:50:41,621 --> 00:50:44,082
Little warm swell of violins at the end.
895
00:50:45,792 --> 00:50:47,794
If you ever send Domino's
to my pizzeria again,
896
00:50:47,878 --> 00:50:49,212
we're gonna be rolling
around on the sidewalk.
897
00:50:51,548 --> 00:50:52,632
Wow.
898
00:50:55,302 --> 00:50:56,970
Whoa!
899
00:50:58,221 --> 00:50:59,556
What?
900
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:00,891
- Oh, my God.
- This is amazing.
901
00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:02,225
What!
902
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:03,477
Okay.
903
00:51:24,956 --> 00:51:26,500
- That was cool.
- I thought you were gonna sing.
904
00:51:26,583 --> 00:51:27,584
No, no, no, no.
905
00:51:27,667 --> 00:51:28,794
Chang's gonna sing next time.
906
00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:29,920
Next time.
73508
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