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There's a lot of people running
around in here, like, mad.
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We've had people run
out of here screaming.
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I think they might feel trapped
and like they can't breathe.
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I've seen an apparition
of a little girl.
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All these dead people, they're
feeding off of living energy.
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This whole area is a battlefield.
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STEVE: What's going on?
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I felt like he was
gonna choke me to death.
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This guy, he's not good.
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There's a dark presence.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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These things, they're freaking out.
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They're from hell.
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I see dead people.
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They were being hunted.
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I speak to dead people.
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They were setting people
on fire, burning them alive.
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And they speak to me.
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Her neck got broken.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I hear a gunshot.
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- I rely on my partner.
- I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Something's not right here.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's not safe here. It's
my job to reveal them.
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Are any of them buried on the property?
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They're all buried here.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
I can't do it no more.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Holy [bleep] Look at this.
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Or time to get out.
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It does not have a happy ending.
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Something kills people here.
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I'm in Waipahu, Hawaii,
just northwest of Honolulu.
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I got a call from a guy named Jeff,
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who says he's got trouble in paradise.
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Now, he runs a museum on
an old sugar plantation.
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But business was so slow,
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he agreed to open up a
haunted house attraction.
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Since then, all hell's broken loose.
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He says, if we can't find a solution,
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he's gonna have to shut the place down
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before somebody gets seriously hurt.
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MATTHEW: This is a museum with
more than a dozen buildings.
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I've got to clear all of them
of any artwork, photographs
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or religious symbols
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so Amy is not influenced
by anything she sees.
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When I'm done, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: I'm feeling a lot of stress here.
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It feels like these dead
people are very stressed out.
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I'm seeing, like, a
tall, glass enclosure.
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And all these dead people were in it.
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It said, "Do not let them
out. They are my pets."
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Then, I hear,
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"The earth here is as
alive as a human, more so.
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Listen to its heartbeat."
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And then, I hear, "The earth
has been asleep for 1,000 years,
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and it's waking up."
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Hey, Jeff. This place is amazing.
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This is like a small city out here.
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How many buildings
altogether do you have?
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Do you know?
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- Uh, about 22.
- 22?
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- Yeah.
- Wow.
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We've never done an
investigation like this.
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I can tell you that.
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Tell me, what's the
story? What's going on?
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We've had numerous
incidents with my volunteers,
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with my staff, with the general public.
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And we're starting to
get a reputation for being
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really a hotbed of paranormal activity.
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Now, Jeff, you mentioned on the phone
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you allowed a haunted
attraction to come in.
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That's correct.
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I partnered with one of my friends, Noa.
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So why would you do that?
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Well, because we wanted
to get younger people here,
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get them interested
in their own history.
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So obviously, we're here.
So something backfired.
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We've had a lot more activity.
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We have school children here.
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We have seniors.
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It's becoming a real problem.
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Okay, so tell me about
some of the experiences
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people are having.
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People have been seeing apparitions.
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They've been seeing spirits.
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Some people have been touched.
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We've had workers who have
volunteered for a night
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and never come back.
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People run out of here screaming.
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I feel very, very bad about it.
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I feel like perhaps it's been my fault
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partnering with Noa.
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I'm ultimately responsible for that.
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So what if Amy turned around
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and said you need to
shut down this attraction?
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Honestly, if we had to
shut down the whole thing,
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I'm not sure that we would survive that.
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Okay.
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AMY: Oh, boy.
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There are two types
of dead here...
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the ones who stay inside and
the ones who stay outside.
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The outside ones are the problem.
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Yeah. They're mad.
And they've got issues.
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They don't want us here.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
They don't want us here.
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They are mostly out here, these people.
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They stay pretty much
outside all the...
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Pretty much all the time.
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I don't think they like the people.
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So they stay outside.
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One of the things that they
do to the living here is,
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obviously, they take their energy.
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It's got to be difficult, I think,
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for many people to be here
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because I think you would
feel immediately drained.
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So, now, what about
your own experiences?
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Well, I have had an experience
right in this house, right here.
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I was speaking to a tour
group in front of the kitchen.
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And a couple of pots banged together.
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Okay.
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Were the windows open,
wind going through there?
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No.
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All right. Anything else?
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Yeah. One night, I
was here with a friend.
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And we were walking along the sidewalk.
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And I looked down, and I noticed
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that there were three
shadows instead of two.
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And I knew which shadow was his
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'cause he was wearing a baseball hat.
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So I started to move to figure
out which shadow was mine.
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And in between us,
there was another shadow.
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A man, woman? Do you have any idea?
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You know, in that
area, we've...
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we've had other shadow activity.
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And people always seem
to think it's a male.
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Now, you said other people
have seen this shadow.
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Is that common?
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Yes, other people have
seen the shadow running
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and felt somebody brush past them.
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Let me ask you a question as far as
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what you're hoping to get
out of this investigation.
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I've been running this
thing for nine years.
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But now, we're at a point
where we've had so many problems
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that I don't know what to do.
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I want to be sure that the public,
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that my volunteers,
that my staff is safe.
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Okay.
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There's a man. And he
doesn't want us here.
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I'm definitely feeling,
like, a push, like, "Ahhhh."
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He's, like, this drunk guy, wasted.
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I think that people
would have, possibly,
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experiences with this man.
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He's very solid.
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I think they might feel trapped
and like they can't breathe.
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The wasted guy's in the tunnel.
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And what he's doing is just
bouncing back and forth,
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all along in there.
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I think that people would
probably see him like a shadow,
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but in human form.
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So, Noa, I was talking to Jeff.
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And he was explaining to me
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about how bad the
activity's gotten here.
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And he seems to think that it started
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when you guys started doing
the Halloween-type tours.
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You agree with that?
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I'm starting to believe
there's something.
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A few actors working for me
actually quit because of...
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- What's happened?
- Something, yeah.
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Have you had any experiences
at all that you can't explain?
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Yeah. I've had a few.
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Okay. Tell me about them.
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I would see the curtain go up and down.
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It looked like the curtain actually,
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like, was lifted up
and dropped, you know?
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And you're positive nobody
was in the house at the time?
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No. Nobody's in the house.
The doors are locked usually.
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That's why.
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Okay. Anything else?
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I've seen an apparition
of a little girl,
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maybe, like, around 4 or 5 years old.
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Did you get a color hair description?
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No, no. Maybe, like, black.
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- It was a darker color?
- Yeah.
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My partner says, when people
do these kind of attractions,
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they're antagonizing the spirits
and the dead that are here.
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Yeah. I thought about that.
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But, you know, pretty much
the whole state of Oahu is,
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like, a believer in this
kind of superstition.
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What if she turned around and said
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you guys need to shut this down,
or people are gonna get hurt?
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Wouldn't really care. I
wouldn't listen to her.
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I mean, we'd still be doing it.
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I would still continue.
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Yeah. I don't think these, you know,
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many of these dead people
really want to be here.
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There's an indication that,
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somehow, they were
trapped here by someone.
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People would have a really hard time
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with the dead out here.
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They're very [bleep]
present and pretty powerful.
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And then, the ones outside,
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they hate everybody
else, like, passionately.
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And they would really like
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to kick the other
deads' asses out of here.
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They want to get rid of the living.
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They were here first.
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They want this back.
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STEVE: So, Moira,
talking to Jeff, he seems
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to feel guilty about what he started
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with this ghost tour thing,
that it was a bad idea.
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Do you agree with that at all?
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I agree. I didn't think
they should have done it,
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energize more spirits
in different houses
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and got them to be really active.
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Can I assume you've
had experiences or not?
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Yes.
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We seen a shadow by the Portuguese House
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of a man, and you could fully see him.
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And he just, poof, vanished.
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Okay. Anything else?
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So, we walked over to the Social Club,
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and we were standing
outside after a tour ended.
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And a door was
latched open, and it...
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Someone unlatched it,
and it just slammed shut.
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And some people started running.
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Okay. What was the weather like?
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Still, no wind.
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- Like it is now?
- Yes.
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Okay. Is there anything else?
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There's a doll case that's in here.
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And every morning,
they would come back in
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to make sure everything's clean,
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presentable for the next
tours during the day.
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The doll would be out on the ground.
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This case is enclosed.
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So it got to the point where
you'd come in every morning,
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and the thing would be
open, the doll would be out?
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Yes.
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Now, are you sure nobody
was playing a prank?
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Yes.
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How do we know that?
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'Cause they always
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close the windows and
lock everything up.
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One day, someone thought
they saw a little girl
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that was in here.
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So we think that she's
been playing with the doll.
256
00:11:31,283 --> 00:11:32,983
Okay, so you think the
spirit of a young child
257
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might have been taking the
doll out to play with it
258
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- when everybody went home?
- Yes.
259
00:11:36,823 --> 00:11:38,589
That's kind of sad, actually,
when you think about it.
260
00:11:38,691 --> 00:11:39,905
Yes, it is.
261
00:11:39,926 --> 00:11:41,325
Moira, with all the stuff
that's going on here,
262
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I've got to ask you, why are you
so interested in working here?
263
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It's kind of important
to my side of the family.
264
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My grandmother, she
worked on the plantation.
265
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- This plantation?
- Yes.
266
00:11:49,702 --> 00:11:51,202
Okay. So you're telling family history.
267
00:11:51,304 --> 00:11:52,003
Yes.
268
00:11:52,105 --> 00:11:53,738
Okay.
269
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AMY: There's a lot of people here
270
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who didn't get along
when they were alive.
271
00:12:02,649 --> 00:12:05,850
And now, it's even worse
because they're dead.
272
00:12:05,952 --> 00:12:08,620
All these dead people, they're
feeding off of living energy.
273
00:12:08,722 --> 00:12:10,989
And all this combined energy
274
00:12:11,091 --> 00:12:14,726
is creating poltergeist-type
of phenomenon,
275
00:12:14,828 --> 00:12:18,496
things ending up in places
where they weren't left,
276
00:12:18,598 --> 00:12:21,833
things flying across the room,
doors opening and closing,
277
00:12:21,935 --> 00:12:25,770
and objects moving.
278
00:12:25,872 --> 00:12:27,338
They're prepping for something.
279
00:12:27,441 --> 00:12:30,809
Something's gonna happen...
280
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something really bad.
281
00:12:40,821 --> 00:12:42,353
All right, so now, it seems like
282
00:12:42,456 --> 00:12:44,155
everybody's having experiences here.
283
00:12:44,257 --> 00:12:45,290
But what about yourself?
284
00:12:45,392 --> 00:12:46,958
I've had some experiences here, too.
285
00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:49,694
Okay. Explain some of them to me.
286
00:12:49,796 --> 00:12:52,964
Um, I'm pretty exhausted
when I leave here,
287
00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:55,733
nauseated, dizzy.
288
00:12:55,836 --> 00:12:57,252
Why do you think it's paranormal?
289
00:12:57,337 --> 00:12:58,657
I'm really healthy.
290
00:12:59,272 --> 00:13:02,874
So are you the only one having
these physical experiences here?
291
00:13:02,976 --> 00:13:04,476
Oh, there's other actors, too,
292
00:13:04,578 --> 00:13:06,778
that have either injuries or illnesses.
293
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,581
Okay. Anything else?
294
00:13:09,683 --> 00:13:10,882
There were a few times
295
00:13:10,984 --> 00:13:13,785
when I came home with bruises
on my body, unexplained.
296
00:13:13,887 --> 00:13:16,621
Looks like a hand print,
like little fingerprints.
297
00:13:16,723 --> 00:13:18,857
Having bruising could be
a million-and-one things.
298
00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:20,425
But you're saying it
was the shape of a hand?
299
00:13:20,527 --> 00:13:21,593
Mm-hmm.
300
00:13:21,695 --> 00:13:22,694
Did you feel it?
301
00:13:22,796 --> 00:13:23,862
No. Oh, no.
302
00:13:23,964 --> 00:13:25,530
That's why I was
surprised when I got home
303
00:13:25,632 --> 00:13:26,397
and I had that bruise.
304
00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:27,765
Anything else?
305
00:13:27,868 --> 00:13:31,002
Yeah, there was an experience
that sticks in my mind.
306
00:13:31,104 --> 00:13:32,437
I got home from work,
307
00:13:32,539 --> 00:13:36,074
and I had a choking
sensation out of nowhere.
308
00:13:36,176 --> 00:13:37,442
And it was pretty scary.
309
00:13:37,544 --> 00:13:38,843
And I started to pray.
310
00:13:38,945 --> 00:13:40,011
And what happened?
311
00:13:40,113 --> 00:13:42,847
It eventually went
away, after my prayers.
312
00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,787
Oh, geez.
313
00:13:49,890 --> 00:13:52,957
MATTHEW: You okay?
314
00:13:53,059 --> 00:13:56,928
What's going on? Um, I got attacked.
315
00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:58,296
I'm, like, freaked out.
316
00:13:58,398 --> 00:14:00,198
There's a guy, um,
317
00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:03,067
and he doesn't want me here.
318
00:14:03,170 --> 00:14:05,436
He's, like, really aggressive.
319
00:14:05,539 --> 00:14:06,638
Like, first, I didn't know...
320
00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:08,206
I didn't understand what was happening.
321
00:14:08,308 --> 00:14:09,474
But he got really mad.
322
00:14:09,576 --> 00:14:15,513
And so he was like,
grabbing me like this...
323
00:14:16,716 --> 00:14:18,082
...really hard.
324
00:14:18,185 --> 00:14:19,517
And I got scared
325
00:14:19,619 --> 00:14:25,023
because I felt like he was
gonna choke me to death.
326
00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:27,325
I think that he can
physically harm people,
327
00:14:27,427 --> 00:14:30,395
choke them out or scare
the [bleep] out of me.
328
00:14:30,497 --> 00:14:32,063
Like, I'm still scared.
329
00:14:43,932 --> 00:14:46,566
STEVE: Jeffrey's property is
on an old sugar plantation.
330
00:14:46,668 --> 00:14:47,867
And you know what?
331
00:14:47,969 --> 00:14:49,368
It doesn't take a homicide detective
332
00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:51,270
to figure out where to
start this investigation.
333
00:14:51,372 --> 00:14:52,905
I'm on my way back to the property
334
00:14:53,007 --> 00:14:54,273
to meet a local historian,
335
00:14:54,375 --> 00:14:56,742
who said the conditions
there were absolutely brutal.
336
00:15:01,850 --> 00:15:03,783
What do you know about
the history of this place?
337
00:15:03,885 --> 00:15:06,052
It was built in 1897,
338
00:15:06,154 --> 00:15:08,087
and it stayed open for almost 100 years.
339
00:15:08,189 --> 00:15:08,888
Wow.
340
00:15:08,990 --> 00:15:10,590
It was about 10,000 acres,
341
00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:12,158
extended all the way
down to Pearl Harbor,
342
00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:14,126
which is that way.
343
00:15:14,229 --> 00:15:17,530
There are close to 1,000
people that worked here.
344
00:15:17,632 --> 00:15:18,831
All right. So do me a favor.
345
00:15:18,933 --> 00:15:20,233
Paint the picture. What's
their work day like?
346
00:15:20,335 --> 00:15:21,701
So, you leave before sunrise.
347
00:15:21,803 --> 00:15:24,670
You spend the entire day
working on the plantation.
348
00:15:24,772 --> 00:15:26,138
Back-breaking work.
349
00:15:26,241 --> 00:15:29,675
Now, the people who worked here,
did they live here, as well?
350
00:15:29,777 --> 00:15:30,843
Lived and died.
351
00:15:30,945 --> 00:15:32,411
What were living conditions like?
352
00:15:32,513 --> 00:15:34,447
Well, can you imagine
coming home to a house
353
00:15:34,549 --> 00:15:38,584
that has a corrugated tin
roof and your floor is dirt?
354
00:15:38,686 --> 00:15:42,154
The health conditions are
just unbelievably just filthy.
355
00:15:42,257 --> 00:15:44,624
You were lucky if your
baby lived to see a year.
356
00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:45,958
Geez.
357
00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:48,094
Are these native Hawaiians
that are in this picture?
358
00:15:48,196 --> 00:15:51,063
Native Hawaiians were
decimated by sicknesses.
359
00:15:51,165 --> 00:15:54,533
And so plantation bosses,
the chief laborers,
360
00:15:54,636 --> 00:15:57,236
had to go elsewhere to find
other people to bring here
361
00:15:57,338 --> 00:15:58,638
to work the plantation,
362
00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:01,207
like the Japanese, the
Chinese, the Filipinos,
363
00:16:01,309 --> 00:16:04,543
the Puerto Ricans, Portuguese
and even the Koreans.
364
00:16:04,646 --> 00:16:06,145
Okay, so now, with all these different
365
00:16:06,247 --> 00:16:08,447
cultures and ethnicities here,
did they all live together?
366
00:16:08,549 --> 00:16:09,782
What was the story?
367
00:16:09,884 --> 00:16:13,753
According to this map, everybody
was separated by ethnicity.
368
00:16:13,855 --> 00:16:16,088
Now, is that by the people
that worked here's choice
369
00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:17,556
or by the people that owned the place?
370
00:16:17,659 --> 00:16:19,191
People that owned the place.
371
00:16:19,294 --> 00:16:21,427
They wanted to make sure that
these different ethnicities
372
00:16:21,529 --> 00:16:23,696
didn't get together
and unionize and demand
373
00:16:23,798 --> 00:16:25,865
better living conditions and better pay.
374
00:16:25,967 --> 00:16:27,033
So they thought it was a better thing
375
00:16:27,135 --> 00:16:29,435
to keep them segregated,
376
00:16:29,537 --> 00:16:31,437
even to the point where
they began to pay people
377
00:16:31,539 --> 00:16:34,573
a different rate
according to the ethnicity.
378
00:16:34,676 --> 00:16:36,575
So, what was the purpose of
paying people differently?
379
00:16:36,678 --> 00:16:38,311
To make sure that they
resented each other
380
00:16:38,413 --> 00:16:40,713
and they didn't get along.
381
00:16:40,815 --> 00:16:42,768
Okay.
382
00:16:42,984 --> 00:16:45,651
AMY: These dead people
who are lined up outside,
383
00:16:45,753 --> 00:16:47,820
they were, like, neglected
or mistreated or something
384
00:16:47,922 --> 00:16:49,388
when they were alive.
385
00:16:49,490 --> 00:16:53,993
I think that they were kind
of starving at some point.
386
00:16:54,095 --> 00:16:58,030
They don't seem like they
had good clothing, either.
387
00:16:58,132 --> 00:17:01,901
Doesn't seem like they
had good shelter, either.
388
00:17:02,003 --> 00:17:04,370
They were outside a lot.
389
00:17:04,472 --> 00:17:07,106
They're pretty old. I
don't know from when.
390
00:17:07,208 --> 00:17:08,674
There's a lot of people here
391
00:17:08,776 --> 00:17:11,243
who didn't get along
when they were alive.
392
00:17:11,346 --> 00:17:13,412
And now, it's even worse
because they're dead
393
00:17:13,514 --> 00:17:15,448
and they're all [bleep]
jumbled together.
394
00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:19,719
Yeah. They're really mad.
395
00:17:19,821 --> 00:17:22,154
Look, when you got that
many people packed together
396
00:17:22,256 --> 00:17:23,189
under bad conditions,
397
00:17:23,291 --> 00:17:25,558
there's definitely gonna be violence.
398
00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:28,094
I had a retired detective
look into it for me.
399
00:17:28,196 --> 00:17:30,529
Says she found at least 10 homicides
400
00:17:30,631 --> 00:17:32,264
right on the plantation.
401
00:17:37,038 --> 00:17:39,772
Chris, I don't think I've
ever handled an investigation
402
00:17:39,874 --> 00:17:41,874
where I had at least 10
homicides in one location.
403
00:17:41,976 --> 00:17:44,744
Here's some of them.
404
00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,645
Okay.
405
00:17:46,748 --> 00:17:48,881
Did any of these stand out to you?
406
00:17:48,983 --> 00:17:52,752
Yes. April 5th of 1905.
407
00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:54,987
A captain in the police department,
408
00:17:55,089 --> 00:17:58,524
a lieutenant and four officers
are asked to assist a sheriff
409
00:17:58,626 --> 00:18:03,162
in raiding a gambling
game on the plantation.
410
00:18:03,264 --> 00:18:06,665
They arrested 11 Chinese laborers.
411
00:18:06,768 --> 00:18:07,767
Okay.
412
00:18:07,869 --> 00:18:10,369
All of a sudden, all hell breaks loose.
413
00:18:10,471 --> 00:18:12,304
Police and the prisoners get surrounded
414
00:18:12,407 --> 00:18:15,007
by the rest of the laborers
that are at the gambling game.
415
00:18:15,109 --> 00:18:16,308
Okay.
416
00:18:16,411 --> 00:18:20,046
Now they are being attacked
with clubs and sticks.
417
00:18:20,148 --> 00:18:22,048
Shots are fired.
418
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:25,451
In the chaos, a laborer
named Chong Chi Fat
419
00:18:25,553 --> 00:18:27,486
was shot six times and was killed.
420
00:18:27,588 --> 00:18:29,055
Do we know who shoots him?
421
00:18:29,157 --> 00:18:33,859
There was never a determination
of who actually shot the man.
422
00:18:33,961 --> 00:18:35,761
Okay.
423
00:18:35,863 --> 00:18:39,965
I'm just hearing people
yelling numbers or something,
424
00:18:40,068 --> 00:18:41,200
some numbers.
425
00:18:41,302 --> 00:18:44,870
But it's, like, you know, "Eight, nine,
426
00:18:44,972 --> 00:18:47,506
two, zero, four, five, six! Ah!
427
00:18:47,608 --> 00:18:48,874
Three, nine, eight!"
428
00:18:48,976 --> 00:18:51,043
You know, like, somebody's
[bleep] yelling all this...
429
00:18:51,145 --> 00:18:53,279
These numbers.
430
00:18:55,416 --> 00:19:00,052
I'm hearing, um, a man
screaming and crying.
431
00:19:00,154 --> 00:19:04,390
It feels like his back is broken.
432
00:19:04,492 --> 00:19:08,761
Like, he is, like, on his forearms.
433
00:19:08,863 --> 00:19:10,529
He's looking at the ground.
434
00:19:10,631 --> 00:19:15,367
And there's something
on his back and his neck.
435
00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:18,938
He's just [bleep] screaming.
436
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,841
Okay, so what was the other
homicide you were talking about?
437
00:19:21,943 --> 00:19:23,876
Well, in May 1985,
438
00:19:23,978 --> 00:19:27,680
we have a man that was
killed at a cock fight,
439
00:19:27,782 --> 00:19:30,916
which was across from
the plantation housing.
440
00:19:31,018 --> 00:19:32,585
And his name is Henry Cuba.
441
00:19:32,687 --> 00:19:35,287
All right, so what's this guy
get killed for? What happened?
442
00:19:35,389 --> 00:19:38,124
Mr. Cuba had gotten into
altercations with the guy
443
00:19:38,226 --> 00:19:40,092
that was running the chicken fight.
444
00:19:40,194 --> 00:19:42,728
And he also got into another altercation
445
00:19:42,830 --> 00:19:45,865
and was acting belligerent
and out of control
446
00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:47,366
with Jaime Fernandez.
447
00:19:47,468 --> 00:19:48,634
Who's this Fernandez guy?
448
00:19:48,736 --> 00:19:50,402
Just someone watching the fights?
449
00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:51,604
Yes.
450
00:19:51,706 --> 00:19:52,838
By the way you're
telling the story to me,
451
00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:54,440
it sounds like this
guy showed up already
452
00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:57,042
a little bit inebriated.
453
00:19:57,145 --> 00:19:59,245
So what's the circumstances
of this guy getting killed?
454
00:19:59,347 --> 00:20:02,414
Well, Fernandez went back
to his house, got his gun,
455
00:20:02,517 --> 00:20:04,583
came back to the chicken fight
456
00:20:04,685 --> 00:20:07,920
and shot him four times in the chest.
457
00:20:08,022 --> 00:20:09,455
Okay. Is he D.O.A. right there?
458
00:20:09,557 --> 00:20:12,024
And he died right there on the scene.
459
00:20:12,126 --> 00:20:13,159
Okay.
460
00:20:14,128 --> 00:20:16,862
That drunk dude is, like, wasted.
461
00:20:16,964 --> 00:20:18,297
And he's, like,
462
00:20:18,399 --> 00:20:21,834
running around, like,
just acting like a fool.
463
00:20:24,939 --> 00:20:26,605
Hmm. He's a big guy.
464
00:20:26,707 --> 00:20:28,941
He's not that old.
465
00:20:29,043 --> 00:20:32,478
I'd say, like, you know,
between 30 and 40 years of age.
466
00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:34,380
And he died...
467
00:20:34,482 --> 00:20:36,715
This was fairly recently,
468
00:20:36,817 --> 00:20:39,066
I would say within the last 20 years.
469
00:20:39,153 --> 00:20:41,320
But he's yelling about the animals.
470
00:20:41,422 --> 00:20:44,056
Like, all the animals died?
471
00:20:44,158 --> 00:20:45,257
There's a lot of confusion.
472
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,327
Like, if you try to ask
him certain questions,
473
00:20:48,429 --> 00:20:50,717
he gets very confused.
474
00:20:51,933 --> 00:20:53,799
I really don't think that, right now,
475
00:20:53,901 --> 00:20:56,735
he doesn't understand that he's dead.
476
00:21:04,312 --> 00:21:05,511
If you need us to investigate
477
00:21:05,613 --> 00:21:07,413
unexplained activity in your home,
478
00:21:07,515 --> 00:21:09,515
go to the "Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
479
00:21:09,617 --> 00:21:11,551
Click on, "Help me, Dead
Files," to submit your story,
480
00:21:11,653 --> 00:21:12,652
and we'll help if we can.
481
00:21:21,249 --> 00:21:24,550
STEVE: So far, I know a deadly
riot and at least 10 homicides
482
00:21:24,652 --> 00:21:27,419
took place on my client's property.
483
00:21:27,522 --> 00:21:29,755
But I need to see if
there's anything else.
484
00:21:29,857 --> 00:21:33,159
Searching through old records,
485
00:21:33,261 --> 00:21:36,544
I find the plantation shared
a border with Pearl Harbor
486
00:21:37,732 --> 00:21:39,565
and that two people on Jeff's property
487
00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:42,902
were actually killed during the attack.
488
00:21:43,004 --> 00:21:45,037
I'm heading over to the
Naval base to meet with
489
00:21:45,139 --> 00:21:47,540
one of the world's foremost
authorities on Pearl Harbor.
490
00:21:47,642 --> 00:21:50,342
And he says Jeffrey's plantation
played an important role
491
00:21:50,444 --> 00:21:52,313
in that dark day in American history.
492
00:22:00,321 --> 00:22:03,756
DANIEL: Right here, this
is where it all started.
493
00:22:03,858 --> 00:22:05,057
So, during the attack,
494
00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:07,059
what am I seeing from
my client's property?
495
00:22:07,161 --> 00:22:09,762
You are seeing aircraft
buzzing about you like bees.
496
00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:11,397
You are seeing, in the distance,
497
00:22:11,499 --> 00:22:13,098
the Pacific fleet being destroyed.
498
00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:15,000
This whole area's a battlefield.
499
00:22:15,102 --> 00:22:17,736
So where your clients were
was part of the battlefield.
500
00:22:17,838 --> 00:22:21,893
There's indication that Japanese
aircrafts strafed that camp.
501
00:22:21,993 --> 00:22:24,360
And probably from a Japanese
pilot's point of view,
502
00:22:24,462 --> 00:22:25,828
it looked like a military camp.
503
00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:29,899
The two killed on my property
during the day of the attack,
504
00:22:30,001 --> 00:22:31,033
Is that from the Japanese fire?
505
00:22:31,135 --> 00:22:32,134
It's not.
506
00:22:32,236 --> 00:22:34,670
The indication is, it was friendly fire
507
00:22:34,772 --> 00:22:37,940
that was raining down all
over the island of Oahu
508
00:22:38,042 --> 00:22:41,343
from the anti-aircraft guns
firing at the Japanese planes.
509
00:22:41,446 --> 00:22:43,546
Now, what can you tell
me about the victims?
510
00:22:43,648 --> 00:22:45,414
There's a report that I have here.
511
00:22:45,516 --> 00:22:48,717
It indicates a Hawaiian
girl, 3 years of age,
512
00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:50,519
was hit by shrapnel.
513
00:22:50,621 --> 00:22:53,823
She died within 10 minutes of
being admitted to the hospital.
514
00:22:53,925 --> 00:22:57,827
And then, a 19-year-old
man, Tomaso Kimura,
515
00:22:57,929 --> 00:23:00,629
suffered a shrapnel wound
that penetrated his brain.
516
00:23:00,731 --> 00:23:03,566
He lost his life at
about 5:00 that afternoon,
517
00:23:03,668 --> 00:23:06,635
December 7, 1941.
518
00:23:06,737 --> 00:23:09,205
Oh, geez.
519
00:23:09,307 --> 00:23:13,108
I'm, like, hearing
yelling, [bleep] screaming.
520
00:23:13,211 --> 00:23:15,544
There's dirt and debris hitting my eyes,
521
00:23:15,646 --> 00:23:17,313
blinding so many people,
522
00:23:17,415 --> 00:23:19,281
like, so many people having this happen.
523
00:23:19,383 --> 00:23:23,519
Like, this dirt and all this
[bleep] is hitting their face.
524
00:23:23,621 --> 00:23:24,720
I can't breathe.
525
00:23:24,822 --> 00:23:26,822
Awful breathing problems, asphyxiation,
526
00:23:26,924 --> 00:23:28,691
incredibly dizzy and nauseous.
527
00:23:28,793 --> 00:23:34,330
And I feel, like, lots
of sticks piercing my body
528
00:23:34,432 --> 00:23:37,867
on my right jaw, my neck,
my left eye, my right side.
529
00:23:37,969 --> 00:23:40,302
[Bleep]
530
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:45,007
So, Daniel, I'm aware
that Japanese immigrants,
531
00:23:45,109 --> 00:23:46,709
as well as Japanese Americans,
532
00:23:46,811 --> 00:23:48,177
worked on the plantation.
533
00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:50,613
Were they ever put in internment camps?
534
00:23:50,715 --> 00:23:51,413
Yes.
535
00:23:51,516 --> 00:23:52,681
After the attack,
536
00:23:52,783 --> 00:23:55,718
there was a suspicion that
the local Japanese population
537
00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:57,586
was somehow involved with it.
538
00:23:57,688 --> 00:24:01,657
There was arrests made,
and they were interned.
539
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:03,759
The camp was established
on your property
540
00:24:03,861 --> 00:24:05,094
that you're investigating.
541
00:24:05,196 --> 00:24:09,365
It was known as Honouliuli.
And this is what it looked like.
542
00:24:09,467 --> 00:24:11,233
It was over 160 acres,
543
00:24:11,335 --> 00:24:13,836
barbed-wire fences
nearly eight feet tall,
544
00:24:13,938 --> 00:24:15,070
eight guard towers.
545
00:24:15,172 --> 00:24:16,505
It almost looks like a base.
546
00:24:16,607 --> 00:24:18,407
What was the population like this place?
547
00:24:18,509 --> 00:24:19,742
Well, there was two populations.
548
00:24:19,844 --> 00:24:22,778
Initially, 322 Japanese Americans
549
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,946
were interned.
550
00:24:24,048 --> 00:24:26,015
Later on, as the months
progressed into the war,
551
00:24:26,117 --> 00:24:27,182
there'll be a population
552
00:24:27,285 --> 00:24:29,385
of Italian Americans
and German Americans,
553
00:24:29,487 --> 00:24:31,353
Koreans, were brought here
554
00:24:31,455 --> 00:24:34,089
because they were considered
possibilities of disloyalty.
555
00:24:34,191 --> 00:24:37,826
And here's some of their dossiers.
556
00:24:37,929 --> 00:24:39,528
So, what were the conditions
like for these people?
557
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:42,998
Let's put it this way. They
called it Hell's Canyon.
558
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:46,235
They lived in tents. They
had latrines they went to.
559
00:24:46,337 --> 00:24:49,104
It was hot, dusty, uncomfortable.
560
00:24:49,206 --> 00:24:50,973
It would be over 90 to 100 degrees
561
00:24:51,075 --> 00:24:52,107
in that canyon.
562
00:24:52,209 --> 00:24:54,610
So, it starts out as a plantation...
563
00:24:54,712 --> 00:24:56,145
And then a battlefield,
564
00:24:56,247 --> 00:24:59,848
and then an internment
and prisoner-of-war camp.
565
00:25:08,593 --> 00:25:12,027
Something about a camp.
566
00:25:12,129 --> 00:25:14,463
I don't know. A bunch of people
talking all at the same time.
567
00:25:14,565 --> 00:25:16,332
I can't understand any of it.
568
00:25:16,434 --> 00:25:18,400
Somebody's freaking out about the camp.
569
00:25:18,502 --> 00:25:20,302
Camp... Stop the
camp? I don't know.
570
00:25:20,404 --> 00:25:21,604
Something like this.
571
00:25:21,706 --> 00:25:23,305
You're just overhearing random snippets?
572
00:25:23,407 --> 00:25:25,040
Yeah. They're having,
like, meetings, like,
573
00:25:25,142 --> 00:25:26,842
"Should we talk about
these things or not?"
574
00:25:29,947 --> 00:25:32,948
Oh.
575
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:37,886
I feel a lot of anxiousness,
stress, illness immediately.
576
00:25:37,989 --> 00:25:40,222
It's like a [bleep] tidal wave of it.
577
00:25:40,324 --> 00:25:42,591
There's a lot of people
running around in here
578
00:25:42,693 --> 00:25:45,194
like mad, like mad,
prepping for something.
579
00:25:45,296 --> 00:25:47,229
Something's gonna
happen. They need to talk.
580
00:25:47,331 --> 00:25:49,598
They need to take care
of the situation promptly.
581
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,300
Something big, big, big is happening,
582
00:25:51,402 --> 00:25:52,901
and they're freaking
the [bleep] out about it.
583
00:25:53,004 --> 00:25:55,771
Whoo, so [bleep] stressful.
584
00:25:55,873 --> 00:25:57,339
Holy [bleep]
585
00:25:57,441 --> 00:26:00,209
My god, it's like whoosh.
586
00:26:00,311 --> 00:26:02,978
Like, crazy, crazy, crazy.
587
00:26:08,552 --> 00:26:11,687
I encountered many dead
people during my walk.
588
00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:15,224
But the angry group outside
had me the most concerned.
589
00:26:18,262 --> 00:26:21,363
I saw these people.
590
00:26:21,465 --> 00:26:25,234
They were all lined up, side by side.
591
00:26:25,336 --> 00:26:27,836
They were very upset.
592
00:26:27,938 --> 00:26:30,339
Basically, they want to
destroy the living here.
593
00:26:30,441 --> 00:26:32,741
They don't want anything to live here.
594
00:26:37,615 --> 00:26:40,863
Is this what you saw?
595
00:26:41,419 --> 00:26:43,786
Yes.
596
00:27:03,197 --> 00:27:06,198
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
597
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:08,467
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
598
00:27:08,569 --> 00:27:10,463
and our clients for the first time.
599
00:27:11,146 --> 00:27:13,346
So, Amy, I'm sure this walk
600
00:27:13,448 --> 00:27:15,515
must have been a little
disorienting for you
601
00:27:15,617 --> 00:27:17,650
because the property here is so big.
602
00:27:17,752 --> 00:27:19,352
Mm-hmm.
603
00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:20,920
I don't want to give away too much,
604
00:27:21,022 --> 00:27:25,191
but this place used to be
a major sugar plantation.
605
00:27:25,293 --> 00:27:27,293
And now, it's a museum.
606
00:27:27,395 --> 00:27:28,428
Now, this is Jeff.
607
00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:30,830
He's been running the
place for almost 10 years.
608
00:27:30,932 --> 00:27:34,667
This is Laura and Moira.
They both work here.
609
00:27:34,769 --> 00:27:37,503
Activity is bad and getting worse.
610
00:27:37,606 --> 00:27:40,490
And Jeff is concerned
that, if they can't stop it,
611
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:42,590
this important part of Hawaii's history
612
00:27:42,692 --> 00:27:44,091
may not survive.
613
00:27:44,193 --> 00:27:45,259
So with that,
614
00:27:45,361 --> 00:27:47,795
Amy knows a little
bit about the location.
615
00:27:47,897 --> 00:27:49,864
I'll ask her to
describe her walk for us.
616
00:27:52,869 --> 00:27:56,937
When I first arrived, I
got a lot of information.
617
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,407
I was feeling the
emotions from the dead.
618
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:04,845
And they seemed very stressed out.
619
00:28:04,947 --> 00:28:10,084
Then, I was seeing this
kind of glass dome structure.
620
00:28:10,186 --> 00:28:13,621
And inside of it was all of the dead.
621
00:28:13,723 --> 00:28:16,290
And I heard someone say,
622
00:28:16,392 --> 00:28:20,327
"Don't let them out. These are my pets."
623
00:28:20,429 --> 00:28:22,530
Well, might as well get right into this.
624
00:28:22,632 --> 00:28:26,033
When Jeff took over the
museum, business was slow.
625
00:28:26,135 --> 00:28:30,704
So a friend of his came with
an idea to turn this museum
626
00:28:30,806 --> 00:28:33,240
into a haunted attraction for 10 nights
627
00:28:33,342 --> 00:28:35,442
during the month of October.
628
00:28:35,545 --> 00:28:37,044
And that's when activity went nuts.
629
00:28:37,146 --> 00:28:38,045
Okay.
630
00:28:38,147 --> 00:28:40,881
So that's why they called us in.
631
00:28:40,983 --> 00:28:43,384
Now, tell Amy why you
thought you had to do this.
632
00:28:43,486 --> 00:28:44,985
Young people aren't exactly
633
00:28:45,087 --> 00:28:47,288
that interested in history sometimes.
634
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:50,624
So we thought a haunted attraction would
635
00:28:50,726 --> 00:28:53,427
appeal to a younger demographic.
636
00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:55,992
Moira, when we spoke originally,
637
00:28:56,094 --> 00:28:57,593
you said you weren't
crazy about the idea
638
00:28:57,695 --> 00:28:59,896
of this haunted attraction.
639
00:28:59,998 --> 00:29:01,664
My parents and my grandparents
640
00:29:01,766 --> 00:29:04,967
would tell me that there's
strange things that happen here.
641
00:29:05,069 --> 00:29:06,669
My mom would tell me,
you know, "Be careful,"
642
00:29:06,771 --> 00:29:11,240
that the spirits that was here
would probably attack a person.
643
00:29:11,342 --> 00:29:14,377
Now, I talked to the guy
that runs the attraction.
644
00:29:14,479 --> 00:29:15,711
His name's Noa.
645
00:29:15,813 --> 00:29:17,213
I was thinking about
bringing him to the reveal,
646
00:29:17,315 --> 00:29:18,915
but, honestly, it was a waste of time.
647
00:29:19,017 --> 00:29:21,584
He told me he didn't really
care what you would have to say,
648
00:29:21,686 --> 00:29:23,486
and nothing would convince
him that what he's doing
649
00:29:23,588 --> 00:29:24,820
is a bad thing.
650
00:29:24,923 --> 00:29:27,990
Jeff, on the other hand,
thinks he's opened a door.
651
00:29:28,092 --> 00:29:30,660
And he thinks that they can't close it.
652
00:29:30,762 --> 00:29:34,597
I'm really concerned about
the increase in activity.
653
00:29:34,699 --> 00:29:37,367
And it's more confrontational now.
654
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:41,133
It's kind of in-your-face
and very direct.
655
00:29:41,673 --> 00:29:45,308
Yeah, there's a lot of different
things going on as far as
656
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:48,511
how the dead are interpreting
what you're doing.
657
00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:51,244
So some are irritated
and some are frightened
658
00:29:51,783 --> 00:29:53,466
and some are confused.
659
00:29:55,286 --> 00:29:58,603
I looked in the tunnel,
and I saw this man.
660
00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:02,011
He was kind of a mess.
661
00:30:02,694 --> 00:30:05,494
He had a special
attachment to this property.
662
00:30:05,597 --> 00:30:07,763
He used to be here a lot.
663
00:30:07,865 --> 00:30:09,899
I got that he was
probably in his 30s or 40s.
664
00:30:10,001 --> 00:30:13,302
And he died fairly recently,
within the last 20 years.
665
00:30:13,404 --> 00:30:17,573
And he was drunk when he died.
666
00:30:17,675 --> 00:30:21,344
And what I got that the
living might encounter there
667
00:30:21,446 --> 00:30:25,348
is hearing him bang into the
walls and things like that.
668
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:27,383
And I believe that they would see him
669
00:30:27,485 --> 00:30:31,703
as a very, very dark, large shadow.
670
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:33,756
Tell Amy that story.
671
00:30:33,858 --> 00:30:35,925
One day, I was walking with a friend.
672
00:30:36,027 --> 00:30:37,627
And we were just walking down the path.
673
00:30:37,729 --> 00:30:38,828
And then, I looked down,
674
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:40,296
and I noticed there's
only the two of us,
675
00:30:40,398 --> 00:30:42,665
but there's three shadows on the ground.
676
00:30:42,767 --> 00:30:45,501
And I just kept looking at
that as we walked down the path.
677
00:30:45,603 --> 00:30:47,349
I was so surprised.
678
00:30:47,372 --> 00:30:49,171
What I found shocking about the property
679
00:30:49,274 --> 00:30:50,273
during my investigation
680
00:30:50,375 --> 00:30:52,575
is the amount of homicides
and strange deaths
681
00:30:52,677 --> 00:30:54,610
that occurred on the property.
682
00:30:54,712 --> 00:30:58,714
One of the most recent deaths
may be of interest to you.
683
00:30:58,816 --> 00:31:01,617
Now, back in '85, a group
of plantation employees
684
00:31:01,719 --> 00:31:05,628
used to hold illegal cock
fights on the land here.
685
00:31:05,757 --> 00:31:08,124
Now, there was a guy named Henry Cuba
686
00:31:08,226 --> 00:31:10,493
who used to come here all the time.
687
00:31:10,595 --> 00:31:14,730
May of 1985, he came here,
but he got into a fight
688
00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:17,033
with the guy running the cock fight
689
00:31:17,135 --> 00:31:18,625
and a couple of the patrons.
690
00:31:18,803 --> 00:31:22,392
It sounded like he was pretty
belligerent, and he was drunk.
691
00:31:23,007 --> 00:31:25,785
He gets into a fight with
this guy, Jaime Fernandez.
692
00:31:26,311 --> 00:31:27,443
This guy gets mad.
693
00:31:27,545 --> 00:31:29,645
He goes back to his house,
grabs a gun, comes back
694
00:31:29,748 --> 00:31:31,447
and plants four in this guy's chest.
695
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:32,915
Wow.
696
00:31:33,018 --> 00:31:35,151
And he kills him right here.
697
00:31:36,381 --> 00:31:38,982
Now, you said the man
was between 30 and 40.
698
00:31:39,084 --> 00:31:41,349
Cuba was 40 when he got gunned down.
699
00:31:41,821 --> 00:31:46,623
I actually managed to track
down a photo from the family.
700
00:31:46,725 --> 00:31:48,916
This is him, here.
701
00:31:50,897 --> 00:31:51,929
This guy look familiar to you?
702
00:31:52,031 --> 00:31:54,065
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
703
00:31:54,167 --> 00:31:55,166
All right. So that's interesting.
704
00:31:55,268 --> 00:31:57,735
At least you know who
the shadow might be.
705
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:02,273
Okay. So what else?
706
00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:07,578
I was standing on the
porch, and I got attacked.
707
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,781
This person came up from
behind and to my side
708
00:32:10,883 --> 00:32:11,960
and grabbed my neck.
709
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:16,329
Like, I was being choked
and was squeezing so hard.
710
00:32:16,429 --> 00:32:20,144
And it was excruciating pain.
711
00:32:20,244 --> 00:32:21,910
Then, he was standing in the doorway,
712
00:32:22,012 --> 00:32:24,980
and he was, like, a dark,
tall, you know, shadow figure.
713
00:32:25,082 --> 00:32:29,093
And I got that he, obviously,
doesn't want me here,
714
00:32:29,193 --> 00:32:31,059
doesn't want anybody here.
715
00:32:31,161 --> 00:32:33,462
He's aggressive.
716
00:32:33,564 --> 00:32:37,165
I think that the living would
have experiences with him
717
00:32:37,267 --> 00:32:39,860
and could possibly get physically hurt.
718
00:32:40,238 --> 00:32:44,640
One night that I went home
after doing the attraction,
719
00:32:44,742 --> 00:32:48,244
I had a choking sensation.
720
00:32:48,346 --> 00:32:51,847
I just started praying, and I just said,
721
00:32:51,949 --> 00:32:54,450
"Rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus."
722
00:32:54,552 --> 00:32:56,585
- And it just went away.
- Mm-hmm.
723
00:32:56,687 --> 00:32:58,821
And then, I also, another
night, had a bruise on my arms,
724
00:32:58,923 --> 00:33:00,923
like somebody was grabbing me.
725
00:33:01,025 --> 00:33:02,424
Now, does that sound like
726
00:33:02,526 --> 00:33:04,526
something that this guy might do?
727
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:10,799
Yeah. And he is not good.
728
00:33:14,005 --> 00:33:15,271
Anything else?
729
00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:19,608
There's a lot of issues
here between the dead people.
730
00:33:20,225 --> 00:33:23,126
The dead who stay outside,
731
00:33:23,228 --> 00:33:26,997
they spent a lot of time
outside when they were alive.
732
00:33:27,099 --> 00:33:28,932
And they still like to be outside
733
00:33:29,034 --> 00:33:30,801
even though they're deceased.
734
00:33:30,903 --> 00:33:32,369
They were telling me
735
00:33:32,471 --> 00:33:35,038
that they were mistreated
when they were alive.
736
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:36,339
They didn't have good clothing.
737
00:33:36,442 --> 00:33:38,108
They didn't have a lot of food.
738
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:40,844
And their shelter was not so great.
739
00:33:40,946 --> 00:33:43,947
They didn't get along
that well with each other
740
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:45,615
when they were alive.
741
00:33:45,717 --> 00:33:47,250
They're very unsettled.
They're very mad.
742
00:33:47,352 --> 00:33:48,552
They're very angry.
743
00:33:48,654 --> 00:33:51,555
And I heard, "The camp,
the camp. Stop the camp."
744
00:33:51,657 --> 00:33:55,158
Okay, well, the history of
this place is pretty incredible.
745
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:58,028
There's two possibilities of
what you might have been seeing.
746
00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:00,197
As I mentioned before,
the museum sits on the land
747
00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:02,566
that used to be the
Oahu Sugar Plantation.
748
00:34:02,668 --> 00:34:03,667
Right.
749
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:05,435
Now, the plantation ran
for almost 100 years,
750
00:34:05,537 --> 00:34:09,039
from 1897 to 1995.
751
00:34:09,141 --> 00:34:11,208
In the beginning, there
weren't enough local workers.
752
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:13,143
So the plantation
owners brought people in
753
00:34:13,245 --> 00:34:14,478
from around the world.
754
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:16,880
Now, the conditions
these workers lived in
755
00:34:16,982 --> 00:34:18,215
was horrible.
756
00:34:18,317 --> 00:34:21,751
They lived in tin-roofed
houses with this heat
757
00:34:21,854 --> 00:34:23,854
and, basically, dirt floors.
758
00:34:23,956 --> 00:34:26,022
Now, you mentioned that
the different groups
759
00:34:26,124 --> 00:34:27,424
didn't like each other.
760
00:34:27,526 --> 00:34:32,429
Well, the plantation owners
were worried they may unionize.
761
00:34:32,531 --> 00:34:36,433
So they made segregated camps.
762
00:34:36,535 --> 00:34:39,202
And they would pay each
ethnic group a different wage
763
00:34:39,304 --> 00:34:41,505
so that they would resent each other.
764
00:34:41,607 --> 00:34:44,508
Now, there is one other possibility.
765
00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:46,443
When this place was a plantation,
766
00:34:46,545 --> 00:34:49,079
it actually touched the
shores of Pearl Harbor.
767
00:34:49,181 --> 00:34:51,515
Now, when Pearl Harbor
was bombed in '41,
768
00:34:51,617 --> 00:34:53,783
the Americans fired
at the Japanese planes.
769
00:34:53,886 --> 00:34:57,053
And you had two fatalities
right on the property
770
00:34:57,155 --> 00:34:58,889
from friendly fire.
771
00:34:58,991 --> 00:35:01,558
The day after the attack,
martial law is imposed,
772
00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:04,294
and the military rounded
up Japanese immigrants
773
00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:05,695
and Japanese Americans,
774
00:35:05,797 --> 00:35:07,364
and they placed them
in an internment camp
775
00:35:07,466 --> 00:35:08,431
right on this property.
776
00:35:08,534 --> 00:35:10,300
Oh.
777
00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:13,537
And I got photos of that.
778
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,438
The conditions were so bad at this camp,
779
00:35:15,541 --> 00:35:18,308
they called it Hell's Canyon.
780
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:19,609
As the war waged on,
781
00:35:19,711 --> 00:35:22,045
not only did they bring
Japanese P.O.W.s here.
782
00:35:22,147 --> 00:35:23,747
They brought in German, Italian,
783
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:25,949
and kept them separated
in the same camp.
784
00:35:26,051 --> 00:35:28,919
So based on the
information that I provided,
785
00:35:29,021 --> 00:35:31,321
who do you think you
might have ran into?
786
00:35:31,423 --> 00:35:36,760
I think that they're
probably from both camps.
787
00:35:36,862 --> 00:35:40,297
And I think they're from
different time periods.
788
00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:42,332
Now, Moira, your grandparents
worked on this plantation.
789
00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:43,466
Yes.
790
00:35:43,569 --> 00:35:44,801
How's that make you
feel, hearing all this?
791
00:35:44,903 --> 00:35:46,102
It's, like, sad.
792
00:35:46,204 --> 00:35:48,138
We didn't even realize
how many of them were here.
793
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,274
It's sad to see them, you
know, get caught in here.
794
00:35:51,376 --> 00:35:53,109
I wouldn't want to be caught here.
795
00:35:53,211 --> 00:35:54,878
So now, the dead people on the outside,
796
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:57,347
do they interact with
the living in any way?
797
00:35:57,449 --> 00:35:59,516
They feed off the energy of the living.
798
00:35:59,618 --> 00:36:02,319
So I think that, when
people would leave here,
799
00:36:02,421 --> 00:36:07,090
they would feel excessively drained.
800
00:36:07,192 --> 00:36:09,492
Like, also, people would
feel stressed and anxious
801
00:36:09,595 --> 00:36:10,994
because they are so angry.
802
00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:12,529
The other thing that I got
803
00:36:12,631 --> 00:36:17,567
is that they've become able to
interact with their environment.
804
00:36:17,669 --> 00:36:22,639
And so they can make
doors open and close.
805
00:36:22,741 --> 00:36:26,343
They're able to move objects
from one location to another
806
00:36:26,445 --> 00:36:29,713
and also move objects,
like, in front of you.
807
00:36:29,815 --> 00:36:34,451
Well, now you're hitting
on pretty much everything
808
00:36:34,553 --> 00:36:35,919
these guys are experiencing.
809
00:36:36,021 --> 00:36:38,188
Moira, tell Amy about the doll.
810
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:40,991
We have a doll. It's in a Japanese case.
811
00:36:41,093 --> 00:36:43,593
How they built it was with
glass on both sides of the wood.
812
00:36:43,695 --> 00:36:45,962
Every morning, when we came to
make sure everything was clean,
813
00:36:46,064 --> 00:36:48,531
nothing was messed, the
doll would be outside.
814
00:36:48,634 --> 00:36:50,667
Tell her about the
story right in this room.
815
00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:53,203
We were standing outside on the porch.
816
00:36:53,305 --> 00:36:56,506
So the door's really
heavy, and it was latched.
817
00:36:56,608 --> 00:36:59,075
And all of a sudden, the
door just slammed really hard.
818
00:36:59,177 --> 00:37:00,143
Everybody else jumped.
819
00:37:00,245 --> 00:37:02,379
We saw some people run the other way.
820
00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:05,482
Laura, tell Amy about
co-workers getting sick.
821
00:37:05,584 --> 00:37:11,721
Getting dizzy, nauseated,
kind of a streak of the flu.
822
00:37:12,338 --> 00:37:14,205
I'm pretty exhausted when I leave here.
823
00:37:14,307 --> 00:37:15,239
So does that make sense?
824
00:37:15,341 --> 00:37:17,975
Yes.
825
00:37:18,077 --> 00:37:19,477
I did do a sketch
826
00:37:19,579 --> 00:37:22,947
of some of the outside
people that I encountered
827
00:37:23,049 --> 00:37:25,349
and how they are draining the living.
828
00:37:33,393 --> 00:37:35,726
Take a look at this.
829
00:37:35,828 --> 00:37:36,894
Oh, God.
830
00:37:36,996 --> 00:37:38,329
Oh, my gosh.
831
00:37:38,431 --> 00:37:39,297
Uh-huh.
832
00:37:42,936 --> 00:37:46,223
That explains why I feel
the way I do sometimes.
833
00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:48,439
STEVE: What do these people want?
834
00:37:48,542 --> 00:37:51,643
The majority of them feel
that they were here first
835
00:37:51,745 --> 00:37:53,478
and this was their land.
836
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:56,781
So their common goal, the
people who live outside,
837
00:37:56,883 --> 00:37:58,583
is to drive out everyone here.
838
00:37:58,685 --> 00:38:01,386
They want the dead gone, and
they want the living gone.
839
00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:04,022
Wow. Oh, my God.
840
00:38:05,692 --> 00:38:07,425
How's that make you
feel, hearing all this?
841
00:38:07,527 --> 00:38:10,094
Just really freaks me out.
842
00:38:10,197 --> 00:38:13,498
I'm just stunned.
843
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,600
I can understand why
all this is happening,
844
00:38:15,702 --> 00:38:17,368
to know how many spirits are here.
845
00:38:17,470 --> 00:38:20,705
It's like they have no rest.
846
00:38:20,807 --> 00:38:22,607
I don't know if I'd feel comfortable
847
00:38:22,709 --> 00:38:24,550
coming back here to work.
848
00:38:38,896 --> 00:38:41,863
One thing I've learned
this week is that Hawaiians
849
00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:45,033
have a very different
attitude about the paranormal.
850
00:38:45,135 --> 00:38:46,802
You believe in spirits,
851
00:38:46,904 --> 00:38:49,538
and you believe in respecting the dead.
852
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,807
So I know you want to make
sure this place is safe
853
00:38:51,909 --> 00:38:54,276
for both the living and the dead.
854
00:38:54,378 --> 00:38:59,314
To find out how you can do that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
855
00:38:59,416 --> 00:39:03,585
I think that, if you do a few things,
856
00:39:03,687 --> 00:39:06,354
it'll help a great deal.
857
00:39:06,457 --> 00:39:09,191
The first thing that
I would have you do,
858
00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:12,427
because you have such
an eclectic group here,
859
00:39:12,529 --> 00:39:16,531
is to find various religious leaders.
860
00:39:16,633 --> 00:39:19,734
And then, those
individuals would proceed
861
00:39:19,837 --> 00:39:24,039
to do funeral rites from their faith.
862
00:39:24,141 --> 00:39:26,842
This would assist the dead that are here
863
00:39:26,944 --> 00:39:30,212
from that particular religion
to go ahead and move on.
864
00:39:30,314 --> 00:39:32,547
Then, what I would have you do
865
00:39:32,649 --> 00:39:36,918
is bring in maybe three
or four different mediums
866
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:42,357
to do a walk and see if
they find any dead people
867
00:39:42,459 --> 00:39:46,828
that couldn't move on
because they don't have
868
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:49,231
a particular faith that they follow.
869
00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:52,167
The mediums will help
those dead move on.
870
00:39:52,269 --> 00:39:55,053
Okay, so, what about the
guy that's choking people?
871
00:39:55,205 --> 00:39:59,274
I think that he probably
would prefer to move on.
872
00:39:59,376 --> 00:40:01,142
But if you have any more incidents,
873
00:40:01,245 --> 00:40:05,280
then you're going to need
to bring in an exorcist.
874
00:40:08,853 --> 00:40:11,320
Now, as far as the haunted tours go,
875
00:40:11,422 --> 00:40:15,190
maybe toning it down just a smidge.
876
00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:16,859
How can we tone it down?
877
00:40:16,961 --> 00:40:18,160
You know, maybe only having,
878
00:40:18,262 --> 00:40:21,597
like, one or two of the locations open.
879
00:40:21,699 --> 00:40:22,798
Yeah, that would be nice.
880
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:25,801
I mean, it wasn't as bad
when you first started.
881
00:40:25,903 --> 00:40:29,004
The years pass on,
and it got more spooky.
882
00:40:29,106 --> 00:40:30,539
It really got worse.
883
00:40:30,641 --> 00:40:35,477
How's your boy, Noa, gonna
take this toning down stuff?
884
00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:39,548
Well, I think we can work it out.
885
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:42,618
What are you shaking your head for?
886
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,153
I mean, I don't want to disappoint,
887
00:40:44,255 --> 00:40:45,921
but I don't think he's gonna like it.
888
00:40:46,023 --> 00:40:48,390
You gonna talk to him, or
you just gonna, you know?
889
00:40:48,492 --> 00:40:49,892
Of course I'm gonna talk to him.
890
00:40:49,994 --> 00:40:53,462
I mean, he needs us, you know?
891
00:40:53,564 --> 00:40:55,797
Now, Laura, if Jeff
follows Amy's advice,
892
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:57,065
will you come back?
893
00:40:57,168 --> 00:40:59,368
Yeah.
894
00:40:59,824 --> 00:41:01,790
It's encouraging to
know that we can help
895
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,058
the dead that are here.
896
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,129
And that's, I think, what
our hope was to begin with.
897
00:41:07,231 --> 00:41:09,899
It's been a real education.
898
00:41:10,001 --> 00:41:12,167
I'll ask you first. You
gonna take Amy's advice?
899
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:13,435
Yeah, definitely.
900
00:41:13,538 --> 00:41:17,545
I mean, to do nothing
would just make it worse.
901
00:41:17,645 --> 00:41:19,342
Whatever will make this place better.
902
00:41:19,442 --> 00:41:22,009
I'm gonna make sure he's gonna
do what he's supposed to do.
903
00:41:22,111 --> 00:41:23,844
It's very important.
904
00:41:25,948 --> 00:41:27,815
I really hope Jeff follows my advice,
905
00:41:27,917 --> 00:41:30,451
or the dead will continue
to put all those who visit
906
00:41:30,553 --> 00:41:32,086
in harm's way.
907
00:41:32,188 --> 00:41:34,522
But I believe, if he
performs funeral rites,
908
00:41:34,624 --> 00:41:37,525
brings in mediums and
tones down the haunted tour,
909
00:41:37,627 --> 00:41:38,659
the dead will move on,
910
00:41:38,761 --> 00:41:40,861
and this important
piece of Hawaii's history
911
00:41:40,963 --> 00:41:43,064
can stay open for years to come.
912
00:41:43,114 --> 00:41:47,664
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