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She does not like children, whatsoever.
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My son said he's seen the
floor covered with blood.
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She gets him at night, for sure, for sure.
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He stabs her 27 times with a screwdriver.
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[Bleep] This guy really did a job on her.
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She would torture the [bleep] out of them.
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I want...
I want normalcy in our lives again.
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People should not live here.
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She just wants this person dead.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my God.
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This is going to kill us.
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STEVE: I'm in Delmont, Pennsylvania.
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It's about 25 miles east of Pittsburgh.
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I got a call from a desperate mother.
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She says the activity
is so bad in the house,
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she spends every night
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with her three kids
sleeping in the living room.
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She thinks the activity is
destroying their childhood,
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and if we can't help her out,
someone's going to get hurt.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area of any
leading information.
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Family photos and personal items
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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Wow, boy.
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There's a male, definitely.
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I think he did really awful things.
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He had a lot of issues with women,
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like any kind of involvement with women
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didn't really go very well.
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And then, like, someone else is saying...
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You know, like... you know,
people should not live here.
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It's been bad for a very long time.
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STEVE: So, Melissa,
on the phone you sounded pretty desperate
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for myself and my partner to come out here.
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What's going on?
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Since day one that we moved in here,
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I knew we weren't alone in this house.
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And it's just progressively
just gotten worse.
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My husband sleeps upstairs.
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My children and myself sleep in this room.
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My kids will not sleep in their rooms.
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Well, that can't be great for the marriage.
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Yeah. I mean, I should be able to
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sleep in my room with my husband,
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but I'm frightened of what
it could do to my kids.
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Who exactly lives in the house?
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It's my husband, me.
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This is my daughter, Samone. She's 9.
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This is my son, Mason,
and this is our baby, Cyrus.
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Let me ask you a question
about the house itself.
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Do you know any of its history or anything?
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This was my husband's grandfather's house,
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so we are the third generation.
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I actually have a picture
of it if you want to see,
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from, I believe, the 1800s.
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- Wow.
- Yeah.
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Okay,
so give me a run-down of what's going on.
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Noises, voices,
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horrible nightmares, and apparitions.
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You feel like it's something threatening?
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Definitely.
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I think there's something very nasty here.
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How well are you dealing with this?
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I'm exhausted and I'm drained,
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and I've had chronic health
problems for over five years
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which no doctor could tell
me what was wrong with me.
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It feels like my body's shutting down.
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Either we're going to go
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or something bad's going to happen.
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I know you were desperate
for Amy and I to come here.
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What would be the best outcome for you?
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I want...
I want normalcy in our lives again.
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It's hard. Being sick is hard.
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And I do feel like this house
has a lot to do with it.
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My kids can't deal with it anymore.
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I can't deal with it anymore.
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My husband can't deal with it anymore.
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It's just, like,
I'd rather just pack up and go,
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and just to start over, you know?
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- We're here to try to fix that.
- I know.
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I was feeling so desperate and hopeless.
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I mean, and I'm ready to fight it,
whatever it is.
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AMY: This guy, like,
as far as his interaction with women,
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is a problem here, you know?
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He's a real creepy creep.
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He's, like,
kind of on your back all the time
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stalking, following, watching, watching.
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Are they aware of it at all?
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I think so.
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Like, going through ladies' stuff,
underwear,
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you know,
watching them get dressed or undressed.
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It's a feeling of, like,
I'm going to the bathroom.
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I'm being watched.
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Like, skeevy, skeevy perv-o.
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Why'd you bring me in this room?
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Uh, this is the room we all sleep in.
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It's no way for anybody to live.
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No, not when we have a
big house with rooms.
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So, I'm curious about yourself.
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What experiences have you had?
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When I was walking through
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the second floor hallway upstairs
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a very large black shadow
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moved right in front of the door
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when I was trying to cross through.
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I ran out into the hallway
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and there was nothing there, nobody there.
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Is it possible that the shadow
did come in from outside?
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No, 'cause it was up in that hallway,
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there's no windows or anything.
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- Was anybody in the house with you?
- No.
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It scared me to death, you know? It did.
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So, anything else going on?
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My son just woke up the other day
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and had a big bruise on his side.
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I wake up with bruises.
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I mean, my daughter's woken
up with scratches on her.
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And that's in this so-called
safe room you're in.
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Mm-hmm.
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Could that be as a result
of tossing and turning?
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No, I mean, everyone's on a soft,
cushy surface
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and away from each other.
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Are you afraid there's
something attacking you, guys?
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It's crossed my mind.
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Because if that's the case,
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then it takes it to a whole 'nother level.
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I see two women...
an older one and a younger one.
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The younger one's angry with me.
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Dead guy is yelling,
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and he says she's a spiteful little [bleep]
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Who doesn't know her place
and doesn't know manners,
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and she needs to be regulated?
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She does not like children whatsoever.
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She doesn't look at them
like they're human.
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And I think that's a big problem
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if there's any children in this house.
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She would literally torture
the [bleep] out of them.
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STEVE: So, Jimmy,
I was talking to your wife about
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a lot of things that your
kids are going through.
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She also told me that
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the house has been in
your family a long time.
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- Yeah.
- Do you know how long?
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Since, uh, 1952, I believe.
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Did you spend time here as a kid.
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Yes, I spent a lot of time here.
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Here's a picture of when
I was, I believe, 5
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with my grandfather.
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We were fishing down here at the creek,
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and I caught a 17-inch rainbow trout.
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- So you had good memories.
- Oh, yeah.
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Your kids aren't having
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the nice times that you had, though.
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No, my kids are afraid to
go anywhere in the house.
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From what they said,
I can't blame them either, you know?
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Right.
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You know any history about the house?
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My grandmother died in the house.
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From what I've been told,
is she had bone cancer.
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She committed suicide.
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In the house?
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In the room next to us, and that's where...
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Right here?
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That's where Mason and Samone
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both have their dreams about
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where they swear they've
seen things in there.
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My son, multiple times,
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has said he's seen the
floor covered with blood.
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It's just tough.
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It's just things that kids shouldn't,
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you know, even talk about.
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And that's why I agreed to all this.
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Have you had experiences?
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I was sleeping and next thing you know
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I woke up, like bouncing, you know...
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like it felt like
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I got picked up to the ceiling and dropped.
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I come straight out of the room.
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My wife said I was white as a ghost.
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Strangest thing I've ever had happen to me.
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- Do you suffer from seizures?
- No.
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- Nothing like that?
- No.
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Were you drinking heavy that night
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or anything like that?
No.
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That's the main reason that I said
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to contact you guys,
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is because there's no normalcy here at all.
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You know,
kids shouldn't have to feel this way
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or go through this stuff.
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Yeah.
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They should be allowed to just be kids.
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There's a lot of anger.
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There's a person yelling and screaming.
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Um, I saw the dead guy
doing stuff to a living guy.
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I actually see him touching a living male.
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I don't think that
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the living male appreciates this.
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So I'm seeing yelling...
yelling and screaming.
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Like, "Stop! I've had it!
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Stop! Leave me alone!
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Go away! Stop!"
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STEVE: I was talking to Mommy earlier,
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and she was saying that
you and your brother
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were having a tough time.
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SAMONE: Yeah.
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Are you guys all sleeping
downstairs together?
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Yeah.
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Now,
can you tell me about some of the things
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that are making you afraid?
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Well,
I heard my door and dresser drawers slam
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and, um, this was when I was laying down
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getting ready to go to bed.
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Okay, is that part of the reason, you know,
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you sleep downstairs with Mom?
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No. I've seen mists in corners of the room.
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Okay, what kind of mist?
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Like, blackish that you can see through.
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Okay. Can you describe how it's shaped?
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It's shaped, like, usually in a circle.
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But sometimes it's in, like, weird shapes.
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Okay.
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Mommy mentioned something about
you guys having bad dreams.
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- Is that right?
- Yeah.
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What's going on with that?
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Well, I have dreams about...
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people chasing me in the house.
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They're usually grown-ups.
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Okay.
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And it's usually a man,
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but sometimes it's a woman.
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Do they say anything to you, honey?
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Mm-hmm.
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They say "I'm going to kill you."
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AMY: The younger lady,
she really hates kids.
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Absolutely despises them.
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Like, the energy she puts out is monstrous.
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And these kids can feel that.
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You know what I mean?
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It's weird too, because the older lady
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is really the one kind of ratting her out.
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Okay.
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I see her, like, as a darkness.
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Um, it's like the night.
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She gets them at night, for sure, for sure.
273
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Um...
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She's in here a lot.
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She comes in there a lot.
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She likes that doorway a lot.
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I see her sleeping in the bed.
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I think that this person,
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they used to be cuddled or caressed
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and then it got bad.
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It got frightening,
like clutched, being clutched.
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Cold, icy hands.
283
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Really bad. Really bad.
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STEVE:
So I was talking to Mommy earlier today.
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She told me that you and your sister
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are pretty scared.
287
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Yeah.
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There any reason why that you can tell me?
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_
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That's kind of scary.
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Okay.
Is there anything else that scares you?
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I saw, like,
a white shadow coming down the stairs.
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Do you remember what it looked like?
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It looked like... I don't know.
295
00:14:04,816 --> 00:14:08,017
It was the shape of a... a man.
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00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:09,692
Okay.
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So was that the only thing that scared you?
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No.
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00:14:13,459 --> 00:14:15,209
I hear sounds a lot.
300
00:14:15,298 --> 00:14:19,350
Like, rattling and banging.
301
00:14:19,461 --> 00:14:20,527
It's coming from Mom's dressing room.
302
00:14:20,631 --> 00:14:22,898
- From Mom's dressing room?
- Yeah.
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00:14:22,972 --> 00:14:24,138
Okay, it sounds like
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00:14:24,226 --> 00:14:25,475
that kind of scares you then, huh?
305
00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:26,579
Yeah.
306
00:14:26,683 --> 00:14:29,251
I'll only go up here, like, sometimes
307
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when my mom's up here.
308
00:14:31,298 --> 00:14:32,264
- Okay.
- If nobody's up here,
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I won't go up here, especially at night.
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Especially at night, okay.
311
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We're gonna try and fix things,
me and my partner.
312
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And then you can come here all by yourself
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and just have a good time in your bedroom.
314
00:14:43,117 --> 00:14:44,533
That sound like a plan?
315
00:14:44,672 --> 00:14:46,355
Mm-hmm.
316
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There's a little boy.
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I don't know, maybe 8?
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Okay.
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And the younger woman,
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she's like this silhouette
321
00:15:00,872 --> 00:15:03,489
rushing back and forth between the rooms.
322
00:15:03,597 --> 00:15:06,331
It's like... like there's a weird noise
323
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like she's moaning or
screaming or something.
324
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[Bleep]
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These kids, they're both, you know,
326
00:15:19,713 --> 00:15:22,881
seeing this and hearing this.
327
00:15:22,990 --> 00:15:25,507
But I don't feel the clutching in here,
328
00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:30,634
the touching from her to this person.
329
00:15:30,714 --> 00:15:34,349
It's more like smothering,
much smothering in here.
330
00:15:36,833 --> 00:15:39,533
Much smothering.
331
00:15:39,642 --> 00:15:40,874
There's a weird relationship
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between her and that person in that room.
333
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But, here, she just wants this person dead.
334
00:16:00,488 --> 00:16:01,487
STEVE: Jimmy doesn't know a lot about
335
00:16:01,624 --> 00:16:03,124
his grandmother's suicide in the house,
336
00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:05,764
but he said I could reach
out to some of his relatives.
337
00:16:05,871 --> 00:16:07,787
Turns out his aunt, the victim's daughter,
338
00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:10,661
was there minutes after
her mom shot herself.
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00:16:19,078 --> 00:16:21,212
STEVE: So, Kathy,
you grew up in that house, right?
340
00:16:21,318 --> 00:16:22,451
KATHY: Yes.
341
00:16:22,556 --> 00:16:25,723
Did you ever experience
anything in the house
342
00:16:25,833 --> 00:16:27,732
- that you couldn't explain.
- I haven't.
343
00:16:27,822 --> 00:16:28,954
- You haven't?
- No.
344
00:16:29,075 --> 00:16:32,243
Okay. Now, your mom.
What kind of woman was she?
345
00:16:32,352 --> 00:16:34,619
Um, Mom was the best.
346
00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,627
There was never anything, in my world,
347
00:16:37,718 --> 00:16:40,936
she did wrong, ever.
348
00:16:41,029 --> 00:16:42,745
I have a picture of my mom.
349
00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:46,803
This was in the mid-to-late '50s.
350
00:16:46,898 --> 00:16:49,882
It was actually taken in
the living room there.
351
00:16:49,973 --> 00:16:52,240
Now, I understand your mom had gotten ill,
352
00:16:52,331 --> 00:16:52,946
is that correct?
353
00:16:53,032 --> 00:16:55,283
My mother got bone cancer.
354
00:16:55,390 --> 00:17:02,328
She was diagnosed with
it about 1981 or 1982,
355
00:17:02,445 --> 00:17:03,578
somewhere like that.
356
00:17:03,682 --> 00:17:05,081
My grandmother died of bone cancer,
357
00:17:05,187 --> 00:17:06,570
and I remember how painful that was.
358
00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:08,825
Very terrible.
359
00:17:08,931 --> 00:17:12,616
Just said, "Well, runs in the family.
360
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:14,876
I guess it's my turn."
361
00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:18,452
And here's a picture of her
shortly before she died.
362
00:17:20,768 --> 00:17:22,267
I know it's gonna be tough to talk about,
363
00:17:22,406 --> 00:17:23,405
but can you take me through
364
00:17:23,493 --> 00:17:25,410
what happened the day your mom passed?
365
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:30,886
The day mom died, um, I was working.
366
00:17:30,999 --> 00:17:34,184
I got a phone call from my dad.
367
00:17:34,276 --> 00:17:39,446
He says, "come quick, Mom's shot."
368
00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:43,094
Got here as quick as I can,
come into the house,
369
00:17:43,237 --> 00:17:47,490
and went upstairs, and
found her in her bed.
370
00:17:47,617 --> 00:17:51,486
- And with a gunshot wound?
- Yes.
371
00:17:51,579 --> 00:17:53,129
And seeing where the gunshot wound was,
372
00:17:53,217 --> 00:17:55,568
it went right through the brain stem.
373
00:17:55,676 --> 00:17:59,010
- She was gone.
- Okay.
374
00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,869
Yeah. I know.
375
00:18:00,959 --> 00:18:02,291
I'm sorry, honey.
376
00:18:06,007 --> 00:18:08,441
After all these years.
377
00:18:08,531 --> 00:18:09,647
It doesn't matter.
378
00:18:09,752 --> 00:18:11,519
You could be 80 years old
379
00:18:11,608 --> 00:18:13,024
and you'll still think about it.
380
00:18:13,163 --> 00:18:14,846
Mm-hmm.
381
00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:20,747
[Breathes deeply]
382
00:18:20,853 --> 00:18:22,886
You all right?
383
00:18:23,026 --> 00:18:24,959
[Groans]
384
00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:26,365
It's the older woman.
385
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:29,438
She was sick, a lot.
386
00:18:31,084 --> 00:18:35,353
I'm trying to figure out
what exactly she had.
387
00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:39,499
She was, like,
very confused about where she was,
388
00:18:39,594 --> 00:18:43,546
what was happening, what's going on.
389
00:18:43,689 --> 00:18:45,222
Very, very dizzy.
390
00:18:45,362 --> 00:18:47,262
I do think the living would feel this...
391
00:18:47,368 --> 00:18:49,468
Passing out, fainting.
392
00:18:50,745 --> 00:18:52,544
Somebody got it in the head.
393
00:18:54,323 --> 00:18:56,924
Ah [bleep]
394
00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:00,137
STEVE: Now that I know Jimmy's grandmother
395
00:19:00,224 --> 00:19:02,875
committed suicide in the house,
396
00:19:03,016 --> 00:19:04,099
I need to see if there's anything else
397
00:19:04,219 --> 00:19:06,119
that could help my investigation.
398
00:19:06,225 --> 00:19:09,226
Searching through old records,
I find a strange story.
399
00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,836
It involves a woman who lived
right by my clients' property
400
00:19:11,943 --> 00:19:13,009
who got married
401
00:19:13,114 --> 00:19:15,014
only to have her husband kill himself
402
00:19:15,153 --> 00:19:16,653
a couple of days later.
403
00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:18,007
I called the local historian
404
00:19:18,129 --> 00:19:20,129
to look into this weird suicide for me.
405
00:19:20,268 --> 00:19:22,819
She called me back and said
there's a lot more to this story
406
00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:24,660
that will definitely help my case.
407
00:19:30,667 --> 00:19:32,934
So, Tracy,
before we get to this weird suicide,
408
00:19:33,025 --> 00:19:34,141
uh, you mentioned on the phone
409
00:19:34,228 --> 00:19:36,979
there was some interesting
stuff about his widow.
410
00:19:37,087 --> 00:19:38,086
What can you tell me?
411
00:19:38,191 --> 00:19:39,590
Her name is Mattie Waugaman,
412
00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:40,995
and she lived a few doors down
413
00:19:41,083 --> 00:19:42,916
from the property you're investigating.
414
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:46,240
Her family had a very
successful tavern in Delmont.
415
00:19:46,349 --> 00:19:47,365
So she would have been
416
00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:49,286
a child of privilege in the area.
417
00:19:49,425 --> 00:19:50,791
All right. Did she do anything,
418
00:19:50,930 --> 00:19:52,296
or did she live off the parents' money?
419
00:19:52,384 --> 00:19:54,734
She was a seamstress,
but she had bigger plans.
420
00:19:54,842 --> 00:19:56,208
She wanted to make her own money
421
00:19:56,313 --> 00:19:58,062
and not live off of her dad's money.
422
00:19:58,152 --> 00:19:59,051
So she got involved in
423
00:19:59,155 --> 00:20:01,655
the Westmoreland County home scandal.
424
00:20:01,797 --> 00:20:02,829
What's that all about?
425
00:20:02,933 --> 00:20:04,650
She's in these rich homes,
426
00:20:04,772 --> 00:20:07,106
selling dresses,
making things for these ladies,
427
00:20:07,247 --> 00:20:10,314
and she's seeing some
things that maybe she wants.
428
00:20:10,423 --> 00:20:11,956
So probably took things here and there.
429
00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:13,094
She ever get charged?
430
00:20:13,181 --> 00:20:15,315
She did not, and she did
not serve any time.
431
00:20:15,438 --> 00:20:17,739
Okay, so now,
I saw in the article I came across
432
00:20:17,829 --> 00:20:19,829
- that she got married at 35.
- Mmhmm.
433
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,219
I mean, which seems kind of late
434
00:20:21,306 --> 00:20:22,322
for that time period.
435
00:20:22,427 --> 00:20:24,527
Well, Mattie was a rebel.
436
00:20:24,617 --> 00:20:26,283
She got married late,
437
00:20:26,406 --> 00:20:29,207
and she had a child out of wedlock in 1873,
438
00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:30,914
and she named him Everett.
439
00:20:31,004 --> 00:20:32,653
So I could imagine in 1873,
440
00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:34,758
having a kid out of wedlock's
got to be a big to-do.
441
00:20:34,849 --> 00:20:35,898
Oh, absolutely.
442
00:20:35,985 --> 00:20:38,769
I mean,
even in the 1970s it was a big scandal.
443
00:20:38,861 --> 00:20:39,977
So just imagine the shame
444
00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:41,982
that was brought on her in that small town.
445
00:20:42,121 --> 00:20:43,687
So possibly
'cause it was a scandalous thing,
446
00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,192
nobody wanted to marry this girl.
447
00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:47,597
Well, in April of 1884,
448
00:20:47,738 --> 00:20:50,105
she goes,
and she meets this guy in Greensburg,
449
00:20:50,195 --> 00:20:51,578
- this J.R. Taylor.
- Okay.
450
00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:53,500
And she married him within the day,
451
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:55,473
shocked friends and family.
452
00:20:55,596 --> 00:20:56,628
What do you... wait... wait a minute.
453
00:20:56,716 --> 00:20:58,499
She got married the same
day she met the guy?
454
00:20:58,588 --> 00:21:00,471
- Same day she met him.
- Wow.
455
00:21:00,611 --> 00:21:01,710
What happened?
456
00:21:01,848 --> 00:21:05,483
Just a couple days later,
he wrote four suicide notes.
457
00:21:05,592 --> 00:21:06,792
And in those suicide notes,
458
00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:10,615
he expressed how sorry he
was that he had no money
459
00:21:10,742 --> 00:21:13,259
and he could not support his new bride.
460
00:21:13,384 --> 00:21:15,818
Only possession he had of
value was a gold piece,
461
00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,991
and he wrote in the suicide letter
462
00:21:18,081 --> 00:21:19,547
to leave it to Mattie,
463
00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:22,337
a woman that he only knew for a few days.
464
00:21:22,428 --> 00:21:24,294
Then, after he wrote those notes,
465
00:21:24,418 --> 00:21:26,618
he went and took a lethal dose of morphine
466
00:21:26,724 --> 00:21:29,358
and was found the next morning.
467
00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,299
"From the Alter to the Grave."
468
00:21:31,389 --> 00:21:33,639
That says it all right there, huh?
469
00:21:34,816 --> 00:21:36,482
AMY: The younger lady,
470
00:21:36,588 --> 00:21:39,122
she was all about money,
money, money, money.
471
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,968
Her parents may have had some money.
472
00:21:44,061 --> 00:21:46,628
Um, I'm seeing, like, gold.
473
00:21:46,719 --> 00:21:50,655
I would put her not much further than 1918.
474
00:21:50,765 --> 00:21:54,767
She might have had two
relationships with two men,
475
00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:58,313
uh, that didn't end well.
476
00:21:58,405 --> 00:22:01,122
She was, like, a control freak.
477
00:22:01,214 --> 00:22:03,197
She was kind of demented.
478
00:22:18,058 --> 00:22:19,324
STEVE: Another thing caught my attention.
479
00:22:19,429 --> 00:22:20,695
Back in 1970,
480
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,884
just down the block from
Jimmy and Melissa's house,
481
00:22:23,006 --> 00:22:24,639
a guy broke in and murdered a woman
482
00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:27,446
right in front of her 6-year-old kid.
483
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:29,154
I'm heading over to meet
with the county sheriff,
484
00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:30,792
who said it was one of
the most brutal crimes
485
00:22:30,881 --> 00:22:32,664
in the city's history.
486
00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,818
So, Sheriff Held, this homicide
I asked you to look into for me,
487
00:22:39,926 --> 00:22:41,525
it was pretty brutal.
488
00:22:41,631 --> 00:22:43,831
Yeah, It was one of the most
notorious in Delmont's history.
489
00:22:43,971 --> 00:22:44,803
So, what were you able to find out
490
00:22:44,908 --> 00:22:46,407
about the victim in this case?
491
00:22:46,512 --> 00:22:47,745
Her name's Harriet Thomas.
492
00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:50,417
She was a 52-year-old white female.
493
00:22:50,525 --> 00:22:52,492
She lived across the
street and one house over
494
00:22:52,631 --> 00:22:54,464
from, your client's property.
495
00:22:54,554 --> 00:22:56,337
All right, so,
what do we know about our perp in this case?
496
00:22:56,426 --> 00:22:57,542
His name is Johnny Fostar.
497
00:22:57,681 --> 00:22:59,781
He was 25 years old at
the time of the murder.
498
00:22:59,870 --> 00:23:01,086
He lived across the street
499
00:23:01,174 --> 00:23:02,841
but one house in the opposite direction
500
00:23:02,929 --> 00:23:04,228
from the victim.
501
00:23:04,334 --> 00:23:07,268
And we have a picture of him too.
502
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,610
Got into trouble at a very young age.
503
00:23:09,701 --> 00:23:11,651
- First arrest was at 12.
- Okay.
504
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,224
And it started out just petty crimes...
you know, theft,
505
00:23:14,315 --> 00:23:16,398
breaking into houses, and stealing.
506
00:23:16,488 --> 00:23:18,672
He was once investigated for
507
00:23:18,812 --> 00:23:19,728
breaking into a neighbor's home
508
00:23:19,849 --> 00:23:21,565
and observing her while she slept
509
00:23:21,687 --> 00:23:23,653
and actually touched her and woke her up.
510
00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:24,976
- He's a creeper?
- Yes.
511
00:23:25,065 --> 00:23:25,930
- Peeping Tom maybe.
- Right.
512
00:23:26,017 --> 00:23:28,000
He could be referred to as.
513
00:23:30,748 --> 00:23:33,015
AMY: The pervy guy, I
would kind of put him,
514
00:23:33,122 --> 00:23:38,592
like, in the '70s, like
1970s or '60s maybe.
515
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:40,206
I'm trying to get a read on the creepy guy
516
00:23:40,311 --> 00:23:42,211
who watches the living here.
517
00:23:42,317 --> 00:23:44,401
He doesn't want me to see anything,
518
00:23:44,524 --> 00:23:47,625
but I'm getting quick glimpses
of what he was like in life.
519
00:23:47,734 --> 00:23:49,568
He's weird.
520
00:23:49,674 --> 00:23:51,607
Like, stalker.
521
00:23:55,023 --> 00:23:59,126
He was some kind of sexual offender.
522
00:23:59,237 --> 00:24:01,153
All right, so how's this homicide go down?
523
00:24:01,276 --> 00:24:03,076
On February 28th, 1970,
524
00:24:03,165 --> 00:24:05,299
he broke into Harriet Thomas' house.
525
00:24:05,421 --> 00:24:06,537
Apparently, he was mixing alcohol
526
00:24:06,659 --> 00:24:08,726
with 15 Benzodiazepine pills.
527
00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,748
- Very strong narcotics.
- Yes.
528
00:24:10,872 --> 00:24:12,839
There's a struggle with her,
529
00:24:12,928 --> 00:24:14,778
and he stabs her 27 times
with a screwdriver
530
00:24:14,918 --> 00:24:16,367
in front of her 6-year-old son.
531
00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,889
And I have the coroner's report here.
532
00:24:20,301 --> 00:24:21,800
Okay.
533
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:24,473
So she's stabbed in the
chest with a screwdriver.
534
00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:26,647
[Bleep] This guy really did a job on her.
535
00:24:26,738 --> 00:24:28,187
He was actually convicted in this courtroom
536
00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:30,292
right here on December 7th, 1970.
537
00:24:30,382 --> 00:24:32,782
So now, what did he get convicted of?
538
00:24:32,907 --> 00:24:34,106
He got convicted of murder
539
00:24:34,244 --> 00:24:35,943
and got sentenced to life
in prison without parole.
540
00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:38,850
And we have a, uh... we have a photo here
541
00:24:38,942 --> 00:24:40,791
that is a Department of Corrections photo.
542
00:24:40,881 --> 00:24:41,997
Okay, so now, this guy's 25
543
00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:43,618
at the time of the homicide in '70.
544
00:24:43,706 --> 00:24:45,506
Plausibly,
he could still be alive in jail, right?
545
00:24:45,596 --> 00:24:47,445
Oh, no. He died in 2003 of lung cancer
546
00:24:47,585 --> 00:24:48,701
at the age of 57.
547
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:50,939
Good. He deserved it.
548
00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:55,534
Something about fif... The number 15
549
00:24:55,643 --> 00:24:57,810
has something to do with this male.
550
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:02,053
I do see blood on his hands
when he's talking about this.
551
00:25:05,106 --> 00:25:07,573
He's older. He's probably in his 50s.
552
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,231
He's got, like, that kind of hairstyle.
553
00:25:10,355 --> 00:25:12,955
It's longer, you know, swept over.
554
00:25:13,063 --> 00:25:15,831
He occasionally has a mustache.
555
00:25:15,939 --> 00:25:18,106
You would never think he was a weirdo.
556
00:25:18,213 --> 00:25:22,849
Like, he looks like a nice,
little middle-aged,
557
00:25:22,961 --> 00:25:25,328
you know, family man or something.
558
00:25:30,718 --> 00:25:33,419
AMY:
I saw several dead people during my walk.
559
00:25:33,527 --> 00:25:35,960
But the angry woman
tormenting a living child
560
00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:37,734
had me the most concerned.
561
00:25:37,873 --> 00:25:39,273
She's young.
562
00:25:39,378 --> 00:25:40,510
Pretty thin.
563
00:25:40,648 --> 00:25:43,382
She had dark hair.
564
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:49,461
There was a kid in the bed.
565
00:25:49,576 --> 00:25:55,046
And this lady,
she was smothering this child.
566
00:25:58,236 --> 00:26:00,920
Is this what you saw?
567
00:26:01,011 --> 00:26:02,894
Yes. That's what I saw.
568
00:26:22,754 --> 00:26:25,521
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
569
00:26:25,613 --> 00:26:26,812
we're ready to reveal our findings
570
00:26:26,934 --> 00:26:30,902
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
571
00:26:31,012 --> 00:26:34,080
Now, Amy, when you talked to
Jimmy and Melissa here, um,
572
00:26:34,189 --> 00:26:35,722
it doesn't take but a couple of seconds
573
00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:38,461
to realize how much they love their kids.
574
00:26:38,569 --> 00:26:40,669
I have a photo here of the family.
575
00:26:40,775 --> 00:26:42,875
This is their oldest daughter,
Samone, who's 9.
576
00:26:42,966 --> 00:26:44,816
This is Mason, who's 7.
577
00:26:44,955 --> 00:26:47,289
And this is Cyrus, who is now what, 20...
578
00:26:47,379 --> 00:26:48,629
- 22 months.
- 22 months.
579
00:26:48,717 --> 00:26:50,617
Now, they're the reason we're here.
580
00:26:50,706 --> 00:26:53,324
Melissa thinks they're in danger.
581
00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:55,649
Even though that house
has been in Jimmy's family
582
00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:58,289
for three generations,
if we can't help them,
583
00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:00,397
he's ready to pack up and leave.
584
00:27:00,504 --> 00:27:02,270
So now that Amy knows a
little bit about your family
585
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,324
and what's going on here,
586
00:27:03,446 --> 00:27:07,481
I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk.
587
00:27:07,575 --> 00:27:09,658
AMY: When I got here,
588
00:27:09,765 --> 00:27:14,168
there were several dead
people roaming about.
589
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,080
But first I want to discuss
590
00:27:17,188 --> 00:27:19,455
the male that's in the living room area.
591
00:27:19,562 --> 00:27:20,611
Okay.
592
00:27:20,699 --> 00:27:25,702
And, um,
he seemed to be kind of a sexual deviant.
593
00:27:25,814 --> 00:27:28,899
I actually saw him going through ladies'
underwear.
594
00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:32,226
He likes to watch people get undressed.
595
00:27:32,335 --> 00:27:35,536
He also likes to caress or touch people.
596
00:27:35,678 --> 00:27:36,761
That doesn't surprise me,
597
00:27:36,882 --> 00:27:38,381
'cause I always feel
like I'm being watched,
598
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:40,503
and it's weird because when I'm
getting a shower or anything,
599
00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:41,592
it's like I shut the door,
and then I still feel like
600
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,929
there's a camera or something on me.
601
00:27:43,017 --> 00:27:46,369
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not alone in there.
602
00:27:46,461 --> 00:27:49,629
I did actually see him in
the upstairs master bedroom,
603
00:27:49,721 --> 00:27:52,189
and he was touching a male.
604
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,628
What I saw was
605
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,935
this male feeling something
strange happening,
606
00:27:57,027 --> 00:27:58,877
and kind of being like,
607
00:27:58,983 --> 00:28:00,666
you know, "I'm sick and tired of this.
608
00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:02,422
It's got to stop."
609
00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:04,460
It's funny you mentioned upstairs because,
I mean,
610
00:28:04,551 --> 00:28:06,968
things are so bad in the house
that Melissa and the kids
611
00:28:07,108 --> 00:28:08,641
sleep down here in the living room.
612
00:28:08,746 --> 00:28:09,411
Okay.
613
00:28:09,499 --> 00:28:10,565
Do me a favor.
614
00:28:10,685 --> 00:28:13,152
Tell Amy about the incident with the bed.
615
00:28:13,261 --> 00:28:15,044
JIMMY: Yeah.
616
00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:17,934
I felt like I was picked up,
617
00:28:18,042 --> 00:28:20,276
picked up to the ceiling and dropped.
618
00:28:20,383 --> 00:28:21,582
MELISSA:
And he's not someone who scares easily.
619
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:23,502
When he came out, he was white as a ghost,
620
00:28:23,592 --> 00:28:25,008
and I knew something was wrong.
621
00:28:25,131 --> 00:28:28,065
JIMMY: I had no clue.
622
00:28:28,156 --> 00:28:30,473
Now,
I did come across a perv in my research,
623
00:28:30,614 --> 00:28:32,147
but I need to know a little
bit more about this guy
624
00:28:32,285 --> 00:28:33,818
if you've got anything.
625
00:28:33,924 --> 00:28:37,659
I got that he was from the '60s or '70s.
626
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,321
The number 15 was important.
627
00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:43,847
He was talking about women in his life
628
00:28:43,955 --> 00:28:46,506
and how that never went well.
629
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:49,297
Obviously, he had sexual problems.
630
00:28:49,438 --> 00:28:51,872
So then I saw him looking
in a mirror in a bathroom,
631
00:28:51,979 --> 00:28:53,495
and he had his hands up,
632
00:28:53,585 --> 00:28:56,569
and there was blood all over his hands.
633
00:28:57,865 --> 00:28:58,997
Well, a lot of things you're saying
634
00:28:59,101 --> 00:29:01,802
reminds me of a guy named Johnny Fostar.
635
00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:03,943
He grew up a couple doors down from here.
636
00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:06,116
I got a photo of him here.
637
00:29:06,207 --> 00:29:07,706
Now, this guy was a neighborhood criminal.
638
00:29:07,795 --> 00:29:08,977
- Oh.
- He stole a lot from everybody.
639
00:29:09,099 --> 00:29:10,298
He was a thief.
640
00:29:10,403 --> 00:29:13,321
Now, most of these crimes
took place during the '60s.
641
00:29:13,446 --> 00:29:17,114
Now, in 1968,
he got caught breaking into a woman's house
642
00:29:17,207 --> 00:29:18,607
and watching her sleep,
643
00:29:18,728 --> 00:29:20,628
and she woke up when he touched her.
644
00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:21,300
Oh, my goodness.
645
00:29:21,404 --> 00:29:22,670
Oh, Lord.
646
00:29:22,757 --> 00:29:24,540
- You mentioned about blood on his hands...
- Uh-huh.
647
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,596
- ...and the number 15.
- Uh-huh.
648
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,855
On the night of February 28th, 1970,
649
00:29:29,946 --> 00:29:32,196
uh, Johnny here wound up taking 15 pills,
650
00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:34,153
- very strong narcotics...
- Oh.
651
00:29:34,243 --> 00:29:35,408
Mixed with booze,
652
00:29:35,514 --> 00:29:37,247
and he breaks into a woman's house
653
00:29:37,353 --> 00:29:38,519
right across the street from you
654
00:29:38,606 --> 00:29:39,688
by the name of Harriet Thomas.
655
00:29:39,793 --> 00:29:43,061
She was a 52-year-old female.
656
00:29:44,107 --> 00:29:47,175
Harriet gets attacked by Johnny.
657
00:29:47,283 --> 00:29:48,599
He stabs her 27 times in the chest
658
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,020
- with a screwdriver...
- Oh, my God.
659
00:29:50,125 --> 00:29:53,243
- Oh, my God.
- ...In front of her 6-year-old kid.
660
00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:55,569
- Whoa.
- Oh, my God.
661
00:29:55,676 --> 00:29:57,943
STEVE: I actually got the coroner's report.
662
00:29:58,050 --> 00:29:59,883
Stab wound of chest with a screwdriver.
663
00:29:59,989 --> 00:30:02,189
Oh, my goodness.
664
00:30:02,296 --> 00:30:04,530
My God.
665
00:30:04,619 --> 00:30:07,437
He was convicted and
sentenced to life in prison.
666
00:30:07,545 --> 00:30:10,062
He wound up dying in
prison at the age of 57.
667
00:30:10,187 --> 00:30:14,723
- I got a photo of him just before he died.
- Oh, hmm.
668
00:30:14,835 --> 00:30:16,718
Now, is it possible this
could be the guy you saw?
669
00:30:16,807 --> 00:30:19,024
Yeah. I think that's the guy.
670
00:30:23,243 --> 00:30:24,459
I wish I could just meet him,
671
00:30:24,564 --> 00:30:27,565
and I wish I could just
do something [bleep]
672
00:30:29,513 --> 00:30:31,413
Could this be who lifted Jimmy?
673
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,253
Oh, I don't think so.
674
00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:36,194
There's someone worse.
675
00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:42,797
I met two women in here.
676
00:30:42,921 --> 00:30:45,388
Um, but the first one I'm going to discuss
677
00:30:45,528 --> 00:30:47,562
is the older woman.
678
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:52,071
She doesn't really interact
with living people.
679
00:30:52,182 --> 00:30:54,850
Um, I know that she got sick here.
680
00:30:54,941 --> 00:30:56,758
She felt ill here.
681
00:30:56,864 --> 00:31:00,065
I got her sickness a lot upstairs...
682
00:31:00,174 --> 00:31:02,274
Dizziness, pain.
683
00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:05,566
I got that there was some mental confusion
684
00:31:05,657 --> 00:31:08,425
with her, uh, death,
685
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,065
and then the worst part,
686
00:31:10,155 --> 00:31:12,105
there was an impact to her head.
687
00:31:15,755 --> 00:31:18,639
You okay, Jimmy?
688
00:31:18,765 --> 00:31:20,181
What?
689
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:23,704
This is a little bit of
a delicate situation.
690
00:31:23,797 --> 00:31:27,548
Um,
you mentioned the woman you saw was sick.
691
00:31:27,658 --> 00:31:28,991
Back in the 1980s, Jimmy's
grandmother Helen
692
00:31:29,129 --> 00:31:31,630
was diagnosed with bone cancer.
693
00:31:31,721 --> 00:31:32,921
Oh.
694
00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:34,875
Um, she suffered a great deal.
695
00:31:34,964 --> 00:31:35,913
It might've been a problem
with the medication.
696
00:31:36,017 --> 00:31:38,584
- She was disoriented.
- Yes. Okay.
697
00:31:38,676 --> 00:31:39,808
So, um...
698
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:43,602
back in 1989,
699
00:31:43,691 --> 00:31:45,224
Jimmy's grandmother wound
up committing suicide
700
00:31:45,346 --> 00:31:47,346
by shooting herself in the head upstairs.
701
00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:57,374
She was just a good woman, you know?
702
00:31:57,517 --> 00:32:01,752
She was, like, a... like,
a saint, you know?
703
00:32:02,866 --> 00:32:06,018
I actually have a picture
of your grandmother.
704
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:09,345
This is not too long before she passed.
705
00:32:09,437 --> 00:32:11,420
They didn't tell me she was sick.
706
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:12,809
Wow.
707
00:32:14,603 --> 00:32:16,503
The important thing is for Jimmy to know,
708
00:32:16,592 --> 00:32:17,675
is his grandmother here?
709
00:32:17,762 --> 00:32:19,228
I...Yeah.
710
00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:22,406
The good news is
711
00:32:22,527 --> 00:32:24,894
I think she's here watching over you guys.
712
00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:27,135
She was really helpful as far as...
713
00:32:27,242 --> 00:32:28,041
Oh, okay.
714
00:32:28,128 --> 00:32:30,028
You know, telling me bad things
715
00:32:30,117 --> 00:32:31,717
that other dead people
were doing, you know?
716
00:32:31,856 --> 00:32:33,089
Okay.
717
00:32:34,497 --> 00:32:36,130
I mean, I was hoping this wasn't the case,
718
00:32:36,236 --> 00:32:37,769
that your grandmother wasn't here,
719
00:32:37,858 --> 00:32:41,409
but it sounds like at
least she's trying to help.
720
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:42,919
She's protecting.
721
00:32:43,024 --> 00:32:44,657
Yeah.
722
00:32:46,802 --> 00:32:48,052
There's one other thing I want to bring up,
723
00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,605
and this involves one of the kids.
724
00:32:49,711 --> 00:32:50,910
It's Mason, who's 7, right?
725
00:32:51,014 --> 00:32:52,447
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
726
00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:53,702
You know what, Jimmy?
You explain it to her better.
727
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:56,023
It's your son, about what he sees in...
728
00:32:56,131 --> 00:32:58,664
He says he sees blood on the floor
729
00:32:58,756 --> 00:33:01,473
in the same room that my grandmother died.
730
00:33:01,564 --> 00:33:02,479
Okay.
731
00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:06,051
And he's pretty dead set on it.
732
00:33:06,145 --> 00:33:09,596
Well, you do have a dead person here
733
00:33:09,705 --> 00:33:15,359
who would prefer the children
have negative experiences.
734
00:33:15,456 --> 00:33:16,956
MELISSA: That's what I thought.
735
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:26,246
So the person that I think
is the biggest threat here
736
00:33:26,357 --> 00:33:29,892
is this younger dead woman.
737
00:33:30,001 --> 00:33:34,337
She seems to be from a very long time ago.
738
00:33:34,449 --> 00:33:37,583
I put her at about 25 years of age.
739
00:33:37,691 --> 00:33:39,858
I think her parents had some money
740
00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:42,666
because her fixation in life
741
00:33:42,807 --> 00:33:46,509
was very much focused on money and image.
742
00:33:46,603 --> 00:33:50,821
And she had two relationships
with two different men
743
00:33:50,916 --> 00:33:53,250
that did not end well.
744
00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:56,177
I got one woman in the
research that came up
745
00:33:56,282 --> 00:33:58,549
that actually only lived a
couple doors down from here.
746
00:33:58,656 --> 00:34:00,456
This woman named Mattie Waugaman
747
00:34:00,595 --> 00:34:02,295
lived down here in the late 1800s.
748
00:34:02,401 --> 00:34:03,534
Her parents owned a tavern in town
749
00:34:03,621 --> 00:34:06,072
and were part of Delmont's high society.
750
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,363
Now, you mentioned the woman
you saw is obsessed with money.
751
00:34:08,487 --> 00:34:09,403
Uh, this woman, Mattie,
752
00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:12,791
was caught up in a pretty big scandal.
753
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,433
She was accused of stealing things
754
00:34:14,522 --> 00:34:15,637
from wealthy people's homes,
755
00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:17,726
but she was never charged.
756
00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:18,848
Interesting.
757
00:34:18,985 --> 00:34:20,251
But what really got my attention
758
00:34:20,390 --> 00:34:23,090
was what you said about the
bad relationships with men.
759
00:34:23,198 --> 00:34:24,381
- Um...
- Mm-hmm.
760
00:34:24,503 --> 00:34:28,405
This woman had disastrous
relationships with two men.
761
00:34:28,515 --> 00:34:30,114
- Hmm.
- 1873, she had a kid out of wedlock,
762
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,922
- which is pretty unheard of back then.
- Back then, yeah, of course.
763
00:34:34,015 --> 00:34:36,166
So when she had the baby,
it was a huge scandal.
764
00:34:36,272 --> 00:34:37,421
About 11 years later,
765
00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,810
she wound up having a second
disastrous relationship
766
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,534
with a man, a guy named J.R. Taylor.
767
00:34:42,659 --> 00:34:44,592
She met him and married him the same day.
768
00:34:44,681 --> 00:34:46,064
- Oh.
- Oh, nice.
769
00:34:46,153 --> 00:34:49,237
Three days later,
this guy J.R. Taylor committed suicide
770
00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:52,547
with an overdose of morphine.
771
00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:54,822
- Wow.
- I actually have an article here from it.
772
00:34:57,671 --> 00:34:58,737
Now, in the suicide letter,
773
00:34:58,841 --> 00:35:00,474
he basically said that he
didn't have enough money
774
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:01,679
to support his new wife,
775
00:35:01,783 --> 00:35:04,134
and he left her the only
thing he had of value,
776
00:35:04,258 --> 00:35:05,457
the gold piece.
777
00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:07,378
So you got to wonder what
kind of a woman that was
778
00:35:07,501 --> 00:35:09,535
that had this guy so wrapped up in one day.
779
00:35:09,625 --> 00:35:10,674
Mm.
780
00:35:10,761 --> 00:35:12,878
Now, when Mattie died in 1905,
781
00:35:12,985 --> 00:35:15,152
she was buried in the
cemetery right up the street.
782
00:35:15,242 --> 00:35:16,925
- Oh, my God.
- Okay.
783
00:35:17,014 --> 00:35:20,516
Now, does this sound like
possibly who you ran into?
784
00:35:20,642 --> 00:35:22,309
Sounds about right.
785
00:35:25,406 --> 00:35:29,959
I feel, obviously,
that she has some mental issues.
786
00:35:30,054 --> 00:35:36,141
The biggest problem was that
she really despises children.
787
00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:42,135
She doesn't even see them as human.
788
00:35:43,362 --> 00:35:45,812
When I saw her upstairs,
789
00:35:45,919 --> 00:35:49,388
she's like this monstrous,
like, being up there.
790
00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:53,199
And there's this energy
that's just horrendous.
791
00:35:53,343 --> 00:35:58,913
She knows exactly what
to do to torture someone.
792
00:35:59,026 --> 00:36:00,759
I see her sleeping in the bed,
793
00:36:00,865 --> 00:36:04,067
like, clutched, being clutched.
794
00:36:06,383 --> 00:36:09,617
Cold, icy hands.
795
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,793
Really bad.
796
00:36:11,899 --> 00:36:14,900
I saw her racing back and
forth through that door
797
00:36:15,043 --> 00:36:16,909
as, like, a silhouetted figure
798
00:36:16,999 --> 00:36:19,449
between the two children's bedrooms.
799
00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:23,762
STEVE:
Now you know why the kids sleep downstairs.
800
00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:26,454
My daughter woke up screaming
801
00:36:26,578 --> 00:36:27,811
that somebody was in her room
802
00:36:27,898 --> 00:36:29,248
opening and slamming her drawers.
803
00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:31,219
- Mm-hmm.
- I mean, she was terrified.
804
00:36:31,326 --> 00:36:34,561
Mason had an incident where he saw
white mist coming up the stairs.
805
00:36:34,669 --> 00:36:37,386
Yeah. He said it was a white mist.
806
00:36:37,478 --> 00:36:38,977
It looked like a human shape.
807
00:36:39,067 --> 00:36:40,433
Okay.
808
00:36:40,555 --> 00:36:42,438
And they wake up with bruises.
809
00:36:42,561 --> 00:36:43,693
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh, my God.
810
00:36:43,781 --> 00:36:45,096
- STEVE: And scratches.
- Yeah.
811
00:36:45,185 --> 00:36:46,701
Wow.
812
00:36:48,612 --> 00:36:49,361
STEVE: Now, could this be this...
813
00:36:49,482 --> 00:36:52,332
- this woman?
- Yeah. Yeah.
814
00:36:57,290 --> 00:37:00,674
To think that something is...
is attacking my kids,
815
00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:03,367
that's enraging.
816
00:37:03,491 --> 00:37:08,728
Yeah, kids can't grow up like this.
817
00:37:08,825 --> 00:37:10,808
So I had a sketch done of something
818
00:37:10,898 --> 00:37:15,083
that she would like to do, um, to your son.
819
00:37:24,489 --> 00:37:25,455
As a parent, I don't even want to
820
00:37:25,542 --> 00:37:27,025
put this down in front of you,
821
00:37:27,165 --> 00:37:28,531
but, you know...
822
00:37:30,742 --> 00:37:31,824
Oh, my God.
823
00:37:34,604 --> 00:37:36,153
She's lucky I can't see her.
824
00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:39,297
I carry a gun on me.
825
00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:43,843
She's lucky she's not living.
826
00:37:56,549 --> 00:37:58,316
AMY: I had a sketch done of something
827
00:37:58,422 --> 00:38:02,757
that she would like to do, um, to your son.
828
00:38:11,997 --> 00:38:12,996
As a parent, I don't even want to
829
00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:14,499
put this down in front of you,
830
00:38:14,638 --> 00:38:16,387
but, you know...
831
00:38:18,717 --> 00:38:19,800
Oh, my God.
832
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,700
She's lucky I can't see her.
833
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,710
I carry a gun on me.
834
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,256
She's lucky she's not living.
835
00:38:35,201 --> 00:38:36,367
So she's trying to smother him?
836
00:38:36,455 --> 00:38:37,905
Mm-hmm.
837
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:40,777
JIMMY: Mason breathes real heavy.
838
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:43,720
You can hear him... [Inhaling sharply]
839
00:38:43,811 --> 00:38:45,861
It sounds like he's
having problems breathing.
840
00:38:45,968 --> 00:38:48,052
Okay.
841
00:38:48,174 --> 00:38:51,776
She does a weird thing
with her hands and fingers
842
00:38:51,853 --> 00:38:56,188
over his mouth, so that does worry me.
843
00:38:56,283 --> 00:38:58,400
This wicked, little [bleep] needs to go.
844
00:38:59,843 --> 00:39:00,942
STEVE: What's her endgame?
845
00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:04,849
As far as your son is concerned,
846
00:39:04,993 --> 00:39:07,493
like, she would like to kill him.
847
00:39:10,544 --> 00:39:13,011
I mean, that's her... her goal.
848
00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:16,202
Is she even capable of doing
that to this kid, God forbid?
849
00:39:16,295 --> 00:39:18,261
I think it's a possibility.
850
00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:21,118
So... so that does worry me.
851
00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:22,309
I'd burn it to the ground
852
00:39:22,446 --> 00:39:24,980
if it meant for my family to be happy.
853
00:39:25,122 --> 00:39:27,489
It's just... I mean,
the house does mean a lot to me,
854
00:39:27,629 --> 00:39:29,412
but it doesn't mean nowhere even close
855
00:39:29,502 --> 00:39:31,552
to what my children and my wife mean to me.
856
00:39:31,675 --> 00:39:32,591
Right.
857
00:39:35,821 --> 00:39:37,154
So guys, it's been a rough night,
858
00:39:37,259 --> 00:39:42,462
and I'm really sorry about that,
especially about your grandma.
859
00:39:42,558 --> 00:39:44,375
Um, but you two are fighters,
860
00:39:44,464 --> 00:39:46,965
and now you know what's
going after your kids.
861
00:39:47,056 --> 00:39:50,124
Now the thing is, how do we get
rid of the bad dead in the house
862
00:39:50,232 --> 00:39:51,598
so you guys can live a normal life
863
00:39:51,703 --> 00:39:54,754
and raise your kids here
in a comfortable manner?
864
00:39:54,846 --> 00:39:56,680
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
865
00:39:58,792 --> 00:40:03,828
Uh,
the first thing is to find a male medium.
866
00:40:04,994 --> 00:40:09,380
And this person,
on the first day they're here,
867
00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:12,792
is to deal with the male that's here.
868
00:40:12,935 --> 00:40:16,303
So the medium's job here is
to get him out of your house
869
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:18,380
and to banish him from the house.
870
00:40:18,469 --> 00:40:21,103
And then the second day, actually,
871
00:40:21,228 --> 00:40:23,228
I would like for him, the male medium,
872
00:40:23,317 --> 00:40:25,200
to give you a reading
873
00:40:25,307 --> 00:40:27,540
because there are things
874
00:40:27,647 --> 00:40:31,566
that your grandmother needs to talk about.
875
00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:34,877
Once the reading is finished,
she'll be ready to move on.
876
00:40:36,174 --> 00:40:39,709
Okay. Now, what about the lunatic woman?
877
00:40:39,801 --> 00:40:42,752
Uh, the last thing that you guys do
878
00:40:42,861 --> 00:40:45,195
is to have a Voodoo priestess come.
879
00:40:46,405 --> 00:40:49,289
This is something that terrifies her.
880
00:40:49,381 --> 00:40:51,614
So I think that she feels like
881
00:40:51,705 --> 00:40:54,622
that's going to put her in a place
882
00:40:54,764 --> 00:40:58,365
where she kind of knows she belongs.
883
00:40:58,475 --> 00:41:00,642
She's pretty terrified.
884
00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:01,381
Good.
885
00:41:01,484 --> 00:41:03,000
This little [bleep]...
886
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:05,524
she could get hit by a bus tomorrow
887
00:41:05,664 --> 00:41:08,432
and I wouldn't care, you know what I mean?
888
00:41:08,523 --> 00:41:09,806
So, Jimmy, it's got to make you feel good
889
00:41:09,911 --> 00:41:11,677
that you can keep the house
that's been in your family
890
00:41:11,767 --> 00:41:12,849
for three generations.
891
00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:15,804
Of course. Yes.
892
00:41:15,895 --> 00:41:17,562
You gonna take Amy's advice?
893
00:41:17,668 --> 00:41:20,869
Absolutely. Absolutely.
894
00:41:20,961 --> 00:41:21,743
She's gone.
895
00:41:24,656 --> 00:41:26,523
AMY:
I'm really concerned for Melissa and Jimmy,
896
00:41:26,629 --> 00:41:28,262
as the dead terrorizing their family
897
00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:30,400
present a serious danger.
898
00:41:30,508 --> 00:41:33,108
But with the help of a medium
and a Voodoo priestess,
899
00:41:33,249 --> 00:41:34,414
they'll be able to rid their home
900
00:41:34,503 --> 00:41:36,453
of the evil surrounding it
and live a peaceful life.
901
00:41:36,503 --> 00:41:41,053
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