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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,732 --> 00:00:13,833 She does not like children, whatsoever. 2 00:00:13,942 --> 00:00:16,710 My son said he's seen the floor covered with blood. 3 00:00:16,818 --> 00:00:19,018 She gets him at night, for sure, for sure. 4 00:00:19,124 --> 00:00:21,357 He stabs her 27 times with a screwdriver. 5 00:00:21,465 --> 00:00:23,431 [Bleep] This guy really did a job on her. 6 00:00:23,538 --> 00:00:27,207 She would torture the [bleep] out of them. 7 00:00:27,316 --> 00:00:29,850 I want... I want normalcy in our lives again. 8 00:00:29,958 --> 00:00:32,158 People should not live here. 9 00:00:33,067 --> 00:00:36,535 She just wants this person dead. 10 00:00:36,645 --> 00:00:39,212 Something bad's going to happen. 11 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:41,119 My name is Amy Allan. 12 00:00:41,225 --> 00:00:42,224 There's panic. 13 00:00:42,329 --> 00:00:44,129 And it's almost like a butchering. 14 00:00:44,235 --> 00:00:45,635 I see dead people. 15 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:47,907 They all died horribly. 16 00:00:48,014 --> 00:00:49,613 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:49,718 --> 00:00:50,717 Get out of here. 18 00:00:50,822 --> 00:00:52,188 And they speak to me. 19 00:00:52,293 --> 00:00:54,026 Vicious. 20 00:00:54,132 --> 00:00:57,133 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:00:57,242 --> 00:00:58,942 It doesn't matter where you are. I'll find you. 22 00:00:59,047 --> 00:01:00,413 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:00,519 --> 00:01:01,685 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 24 00:01:01,789 --> 00:01:04,223 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:05,796 This guy's a real piece of work. 26 00:01:05,885 --> 00:01:09,070 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 27 00:01:09,179 --> 00:01:10,328 I feel like I live in a house of Hell. 28 00:01:10,449 --> 00:01:12,349 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:12,455 --> 00:01:13,888 This is not good. 30 00:01:13,994 --> 00:01:15,627 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:15,732 --> 00:01:17,765 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:17,872 --> 00:01:19,739 Until the very end... 33 00:01:19,845 --> 00:01:21,094 I want my life back. 34 00:01:21,181 --> 00:01:23,181 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:23,289 --> 00:01:24,755 - Is he trying to kill her? - [Sobs] 36 00:01:24,843 --> 00:01:26,059 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:26,164 --> 00:01:27,597 Oh, my God. 38 00:01:27,702 --> 00:01:29,235 This is going to kill us. 39 00:01:30,802 --> 00:01:34,813 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 40 00:01:41,946 --> 00:01:43,062 STEVE: I'm in Delmont, Pennsylvania. 41 00:01:43,149 --> 00:01:45,533 It's about 25 miles east of Pittsburgh. 42 00:01:45,623 --> 00:01:47,724 I got a call from a desperate mother. 43 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:50,064 She says the activity is so bad in the house, 44 00:01:50,171 --> 00:01:51,337 she spends every night 45 00:01:51,441 --> 00:01:53,708 with her three kids sleeping in the living room. 46 00:01:53,815 --> 00:01:56,332 She thinks the activity is destroying their childhood, 47 00:01:56,457 --> 00:01:59,375 and if we can't help her out, someone's going to get hurt. 48 00:02:04,248 --> 00:02:05,697 MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives, 49 00:02:05,819 --> 00:02:09,220 I clear the area of any leading information. 50 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:13,182 Family photos and personal items can influence her findings, 51 00:02:13,309 --> 00:02:15,993 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 52 00:02:16,085 --> 00:02:19,569 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 53 00:02:29,593 --> 00:02:30,291 Wow, boy. 54 00:02:30,394 --> 00:02:33,796 There's a male, definitely. 55 00:02:33,906 --> 00:02:38,342 I think he did really awful things. 56 00:02:38,486 --> 00:02:40,937 He had a lot of issues with women, 57 00:02:41,028 --> 00:02:43,762 like any kind of involvement with women 58 00:02:43,869 --> 00:02:46,770 didn't really go very well. 59 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:49,883 And then, like, someone else is saying... 60 00:02:49,988 --> 00:02:53,390 You know, like... you know, people should not live here. 61 00:02:53,499 --> 00:02:56,516 It's been bad for a very long time. 62 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:03,924 STEVE: So, Melissa, on the phone you sounded pretty desperate 63 00:03:04,015 --> 00:03:06,065 for myself and my partner to come out here. 64 00:03:06,172 --> 00:03:07,204 What's going on? 65 00:03:07,292 --> 00:03:09,659 Since day one that we moved in here, 66 00:03:09,749 --> 00:03:12,016 I knew we weren't alone in this house. 67 00:03:12,156 --> 00:03:15,191 And it's just progressively just gotten worse. 68 00:03:15,283 --> 00:03:16,666 My husband sleeps upstairs. 69 00:03:16,771 --> 00:03:19,505 My children and myself sleep in this room. 70 00:03:19,596 --> 00:03:21,413 My kids will not sleep in their rooms. 71 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:23,052 Well, that can't be great for the marriage. 72 00:03:23,157 --> 00:03:24,323 Yeah. I mean, I should be able to 73 00:03:24,428 --> 00:03:26,428 sleep in my room with my husband, 74 00:03:26,534 --> 00:03:29,035 but I'm frightened of what it could do to my kids. 75 00:03:29,126 --> 00:03:31,259 Who exactly lives in the house? 76 00:03:31,382 --> 00:03:33,049 It's my husband, me. 77 00:03:33,121 --> 00:03:35,322 This is my daughter, Samone. She's 9. 78 00:03:35,412 --> 00:03:39,764 This is my son, Mason, and this is our baby, Cyrus. 79 00:03:39,859 --> 00:03:41,258 Let me ask you a question about the house itself. 80 00:03:41,347 --> 00:03:42,979 Do you know any of its history or anything? 81 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:46,637 This was my husband's grandfather's house, 82 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:48,379 so we are the third generation. 83 00:03:48,502 --> 00:03:50,585 I actually have a picture of it if you want to see, 84 00:03:50,708 --> 00:03:53,709 from, I believe, the 1800s. 85 00:03:53,818 --> 00:03:55,568 - Wow. - Yeah. 86 00:03:55,691 --> 00:03:58,442 Okay, so give me a run-down of what's going on. 87 00:03:58,566 --> 00:04:01,334 Noises, voices, 88 00:04:01,442 --> 00:04:04,109 horrible nightmares, and apparitions. 89 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,516 You feel like it's something threatening? 90 00:04:05,604 --> 00:04:07,020 Definitely. 91 00:04:07,126 --> 00:04:10,111 I think there's something very nasty here. 92 00:04:10,235 --> 00:04:11,568 How well are you dealing with this? 93 00:04:11,656 --> 00:04:13,723 I'm exhausted and I'm drained, 94 00:04:13,847 --> 00:04:16,114 and I've had chronic health problems for over five years 95 00:04:16,203 --> 00:04:19,054 which no doctor could tell me what was wrong with me. 96 00:04:19,163 --> 00:04:21,680 It feels like my body's shutting down. 97 00:04:21,804 --> 00:04:23,003 Either we're going to go 98 00:04:23,092 --> 00:04:25,659 or something bad's going to happen. 99 00:04:25,783 --> 00:04:27,950 I know you were desperate for Amy and I to come here. 100 00:04:28,090 --> 00:04:30,524 What would be the best outcome for you? 101 00:04:35,112 --> 00:04:37,112 I want... I want normalcy in our lives again. 102 00:04:37,252 --> 00:04:39,719 It's hard. Being sick is hard. 103 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:42,027 And I do feel like this house has a lot to do with it. 104 00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:43,449 My kids can't deal with it anymore. 105 00:04:43,571 --> 00:04:45,404 I can't deal with it anymore. 106 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:46,910 My husband can't deal with it anymore. 107 00:04:46,998 --> 00:04:50,433 It's just, like, I'd rather just pack up and go, 108 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,610 and just to start over, you know? 109 00:04:52,699 --> 00:04:54,799 - We're here to try to fix that. - I know. 110 00:04:54,889 --> 00:04:58,858 I was feeling so desperate and hopeless. 111 00:04:58,985 --> 00:05:01,686 I mean, and I'm ready to fight it, whatever it is. 112 00:05:04,285 --> 00:05:09,071 AMY: This guy, like, as far as his interaction with women, 113 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:13,419 is a problem here, you know? 114 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:15,530 He's a real creepy creep. 115 00:05:15,637 --> 00:05:18,371 He's, like, kind of on your back all the time 116 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:22,414 stalking, following, watching, watching. 117 00:05:22,524 --> 00:05:24,090 Are they aware of it at all? 118 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:25,496 I think so. 119 00:05:25,601 --> 00:05:28,835 Like, going through ladies' stuff, underwear, 120 00:05:28,978 --> 00:05:32,696 you know, watching them get dressed or undressed. 121 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:36,758 It's a feeling of, like, I'm going to the bathroom. 122 00:05:36,868 --> 00:05:38,234 I'm being watched. 123 00:05:38,339 --> 00:05:41,441 Like, skeevy, skeevy perv-o. 124 00:05:46,063 --> 00:05:47,396 Why'd you bring me in this room? 125 00:05:47,501 --> 00:05:49,668 Uh, this is the room we all sleep in. 126 00:05:49,758 --> 00:05:50,791 It's no way for anybody to live. 127 00:05:50,911 --> 00:05:53,195 No, not when we have a big house with rooms. 128 00:05:53,285 --> 00:05:55,018 So, I'm curious about yourself. 129 00:05:55,158 --> 00:05:57,024 What experiences have you had? 130 00:05:57,164 --> 00:05:58,630 When I was walking through 131 00:05:58,719 --> 00:06:01,937 the second floor hallway upstairs 132 00:06:02,030 --> 00:06:05,281 a very large black shadow 133 00:06:05,423 --> 00:06:06,372 moved right in front of the door 134 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:08,043 when I was trying to cross through. 135 00:06:08,165 --> 00:06:09,180 I ran out into the hallway 136 00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:11,102 and there was nothing there, nobody there. 137 00:06:11,191 --> 00:06:13,642 Is it possible that the shadow did come in from outside? 138 00:06:13,732 --> 00:06:14,781 No, 'cause it was up in that hallway, 139 00:06:14,869 --> 00:06:15,951 there's no windows or anything. 140 00:06:16,039 --> 00:06:17,656 - Was anybody in the house with you? - No. 141 00:06:17,744 --> 00:06:20,361 It scared me to death, you know? It did. 142 00:06:20,453 --> 00:06:21,752 So, anything else going on? 143 00:06:21,874 --> 00:06:22,873 My son just woke up the other day 144 00:06:23,010 --> 00:06:24,226 and had a big bruise on his side. 145 00:06:24,348 --> 00:06:25,430 I wake up with bruises. 146 00:06:25,518 --> 00:06:27,618 I mean, my daughter's woken up with scratches on her. 147 00:06:27,708 --> 00:06:29,625 And that's in this so-called safe room you're in. 148 00:06:29,714 --> 00:06:30,897 Mm-hmm. 149 00:06:31,035 --> 00:06:34,704 Could that be as a result of tossing and turning? 150 00:06:34,814 --> 00:06:37,548 No, I mean, everyone's on a soft, cushy surface 151 00:06:37,656 --> 00:06:39,456 and away from each other. 152 00:06:39,545 --> 00:06:41,695 Are you afraid there's something attacking you, guys? 153 00:06:41,801 --> 00:06:43,501 It's crossed my mind. 154 00:06:43,607 --> 00:06:44,773 Because if that's the case, 155 00:06:44,861 --> 00:06:46,444 then it takes it to a whole 'nother level. 156 00:06:48,622 --> 00:06:52,291 I see two women... an older one and a younger one. 157 00:06:52,401 --> 00:06:55,402 The younger one's angry with me. 158 00:06:55,494 --> 00:06:56,777 Dead guy is yelling, 159 00:06:56,865 --> 00:07:00,450 and he says she's a spiteful little [bleep] 160 00:07:00,559 --> 00:07:03,760 Who doesn't know her place and doesn't know manners, 161 00:07:03,869 --> 00:07:06,353 and she needs to be regulated? 162 00:07:08,083 --> 00:07:11,884 She does not like children whatsoever. 163 00:07:11,995 --> 00:07:15,496 She doesn't look at them like they're human. 164 00:07:15,588 --> 00:07:17,438 And I think that's a big problem 165 00:07:17,545 --> 00:07:20,930 if there's any children in this house. 166 00:07:21,056 --> 00:07:25,058 She would literally torture the [bleep] out of them. 167 00:07:31,387 --> 00:07:33,571 STEVE: So, Jimmy, I was talking to your wife about 168 00:07:33,694 --> 00:07:35,961 a lot of things that your kids are going through. 169 00:07:36,069 --> 00:07:37,985 She also told me that 170 00:07:38,075 --> 00:07:39,958 the house has been in your family a long time. 171 00:07:40,081 --> 00:07:41,513 - Yeah. - Do you know how long? 172 00:07:41,619 --> 00:07:43,820 Since, uh, 1952, I believe. 173 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:45,242 Did you spend time here as a kid. 174 00:07:45,330 --> 00:07:46,629 Yes, I spent a lot of time here. 175 00:07:46,718 --> 00:07:51,454 Here's a picture of when I was, I believe, 5 176 00:07:51,549 --> 00:07:52,648 with my grandfather. 177 00:07:52,753 --> 00:07:54,854 We were fishing down here at the creek, 178 00:07:54,943 --> 00:07:57,060 and I caught a 17-inch rainbow trout. 179 00:07:57,167 --> 00:07:59,300 - So you had good memories. - Oh, yeah. 180 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:00,607 Your kids aren't having 181 00:08:00,744 --> 00:08:02,777 the nice times that you had, though. 182 00:08:02,918 --> 00:08:04,985 No, my kids are afraid to go anywhere in the house. 183 00:08:05,074 --> 00:08:07,258 From what they said, I can't blame them either, you know? 184 00:08:07,348 --> 00:08:08,264 Right. 185 00:08:08,351 --> 00:08:11,135 You know any history about the house? 186 00:08:11,227 --> 00:08:13,510 My grandmother died in the house. 187 00:08:13,651 --> 00:08:18,220 From what I've been told, is she had bone cancer. 188 00:08:18,315 --> 00:08:21,133 She committed suicide. 189 00:08:21,224 --> 00:08:21,839 In the house? 190 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:24,680 In the room next to us, and that's where... 191 00:08:24,818 --> 00:08:26,184 Right here? 192 00:08:26,324 --> 00:08:27,556 That's where Mason and Samone 193 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:29,877 both have their dreams about 194 00:08:29,968 --> 00:08:32,518 where they swear they've seen things in there. 195 00:08:32,643 --> 00:08:33,909 My son, multiple times, 196 00:08:33,997 --> 00:08:37,415 has said he's seen the floor covered with blood. 197 00:08:43,108 --> 00:08:44,407 It's just tough. 198 00:08:44,495 --> 00:08:45,778 It's just things that kids shouldn't, 199 00:08:45,866 --> 00:08:47,750 you know, even talk about. 200 00:08:47,856 --> 00:08:49,922 And that's why I agreed to all this. 201 00:08:50,013 --> 00:08:51,562 Have you had experiences? 202 00:08:51,651 --> 00:08:55,002 I was sleeping and next thing you know 203 00:08:55,146 --> 00:08:56,145 I woke up, like bouncing, you know... 204 00:08:56,232 --> 00:08:57,815 like it felt like 205 00:08:57,903 --> 00:09:00,020 I got picked up to the ceiling and dropped. 206 00:09:00,127 --> 00:09:01,060 I come straight out of the room. 207 00:09:01,164 --> 00:09:02,813 My wife said I was white as a ghost. 208 00:09:02,903 --> 00:09:05,837 Strangest thing I've ever had happen to me. 209 00:09:05,928 --> 00:09:08,112 - Do you suffer from seizures? - No. 210 00:09:08,219 --> 00:09:09,618 - Nothing like that? - No. 211 00:09:09,707 --> 00:09:10,622 Were you drinking heavy that night 212 00:09:10,710 --> 00:09:12,343 or anything like that? No. 213 00:09:12,466 --> 00:09:15,083 That's the main reason that I said 214 00:09:15,207 --> 00:09:16,206 to contact you guys, 215 00:09:16,293 --> 00:09:19,861 is because there's no normalcy here at all. 216 00:09:19,988 --> 00:09:22,021 You know, kids shouldn't have to feel this way 217 00:09:22,112 --> 00:09:23,445 or go through this stuff. 218 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:24,565 Yeah. 219 00:09:24,653 --> 00:09:26,536 They should be allowed to just be kids. 220 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:36,900 There's a lot of anger. 221 00:09:37,008 --> 00:09:40,709 There's a person yelling and screaming. 222 00:09:40,819 --> 00:09:45,888 Um, I saw the dead guy doing stuff to a living guy. 223 00:09:48,375 --> 00:09:52,811 I actually see him touching a living male. 224 00:09:52,923 --> 00:09:55,674 I don't think that 225 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:59,467 the living male appreciates this. 226 00:10:00,897 --> 00:10:06,484 So I'm seeing yelling... yelling and screaming. 227 00:10:09,340 --> 00:10:12,341 Like, "Stop! I've had it! 228 00:10:12,449 --> 00:10:14,850 Stop! Leave me alone! 229 00:10:14,957 --> 00:10:18,492 Go away! Stop!" 230 00:10:38,849 --> 00:10:40,148 STEVE: I was talking to Mommy earlier, 231 00:10:40,287 --> 00:10:41,619 and she was saying that you and your brother 232 00:10:41,708 --> 00:10:43,124 were having a tough time. 233 00:10:43,212 --> 00:10:44,762 SAMONE: Yeah. 234 00:10:44,868 --> 00:10:46,701 Are you guys all sleeping downstairs together? 235 00:10:46,807 --> 00:10:47,973 Yeah. 236 00:10:48,077 --> 00:10:50,144 Now, can you tell me about some of the things 237 00:10:50,284 --> 00:10:51,817 that are making you afraid? 238 00:10:51,956 --> 00:10:59,445 Well, I heard my door and dresser drawers slam 239 00:10:59,579 --> 00:11:01,579 and, um, this was when I was laying down 240 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,704 getting ready to go to bed. 241 00:11:04,829 --> 00:11:06,212 Okay, is that part of the reason, you know, 242 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:08,050 you sleep downstairs with Mom? 243 00:11:08,173 --> 00:11:12,875 No. I've seen mists in corners of the room. 244 00:11:12,987 --> 00:11:15,087 Okay, what kind of mist? 245 00:11:15,195 --> 00:11:18,095 Like, blackish that you can see through. 246 00:11:18,204 --> 00:11:20,671 Okay. Can you describe how it's shaped? 247 00:11:20,778 --> 00:11:23,111 It's shaped, like, usually in a circle. 248 00:11:23,202 --> 00:11:27,554 But sometimes it's in, like, weird shapes. 249 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:29,032 Okay. 250 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:31,404 Mommy mentioned something about you guys having bad dreams. 251 00:11:31,512 --> 00:11:33,245 - Is that right? - Yeah. 252 00:11:33,351 --> 00:11:35,718 What's going on with that? 253 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:39,760 Well, I have dreams about... 254 00:11:39,904 --> 00:11:41,770 people chasing me in the house. 255 00:11:43,314 --> 00:11:45,047 They're usually grown-ups. 256 00:11:45,153 --> 00:11:46,352 Okay. 257 00:11:46,457 --> 00:11:48,040 And it's usually a man, 258 00:11:48,129 --> 00:11:50,296 but sometimes it's a woman. 259 00:11:50,403 --> 00:11:52,236 Do they say anything to you, honey? 260 00:11:52,375 --> 00:11:53,241 Mm-hmm. 261 00:11:53,345 --> 00:11:56,496 They say "I'm going to kill you." 262 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:06,959 AMY: The younger lady, she really hates kids. 263 00:12:07,054 --> 00:12:08,887 Absolutely despises them. 264 00:12:09,027 --> 00:12:13,863 Like, the energy she puts out is monstrous. 265 00:12:13,975 --> 00:12:16,342 And these kids can feel that. 266 00:12:16,449 --> 00:12:18,132 You know what I mean? 267 00:12:18,255 --> 00:12:20,722 It's weird too, because the older lady 268 00:12:20,813 --> 00:12:24,164 is really the one kind of ratting her out. 269 00:12:24,273 --> 00:12:25,606 Okay. 270 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:28,378 I see her, like, as a darkness. 271 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,602 Um, it's like the night. 272 00:12:29,724 --> 00:12:32,725 She gets them at night, for sure, for sure. 273 00:12:32,816 --> 00:12:34,649 Um... 274 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,862 She's in here a lot. 275 00:12:55,971 --> 00:12:59,072 She comes in there a lot. 276 00:12:59,181 --> 00:13:02,048 She likes that doorway a lot. 277 00:13:04,430 --> 00:13:07,365 I see her sleeping in the bed. 278 00:13:07,473 --> 00:13:09,206 I think that this person, 279 00:13:09,295 --> 00:13:11,612 they used to be cuddled or caressed 280 00:13:11,719 --> 00:13:14,854 and then it got bad. 281 00:13:14,946 --> 00:13:18,965 It got frightening, like clutched, being clutched. 282 00:13:21,650 --> 00:13:24,952 Cold, icy hands. 283 00:13:25,044 --> 00:13:27,494 Really bad. Really bad. 284 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,493 STEVE: So I was talking to Mommy earlier today. 285 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:39,432 She told me that you and your sister 286 00:13:39,538 --> 00:13:40,404 are pretty scared. 287 00:13:40,508 --> 00:13:41,524 Yeah. 288 00:13:41,611 --> 00:13:44,195 There any reason why that you can tell me? 289 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:49,616 _ 290 00:13:50,171 --> 00:13:52,471 That's kind of scary. 291 00:13:52,562 --> 00:13:56,914 Okay. Is there anything else that scares you? 292 00:13:57,025 --> 00:14:00,860 I saw, like, a white shadow coming down the stairs. 293 00:14:00,971 --> 00:14:02,103 Do you remember what it looked like? 294 00:14:02,241 --> 00:14:04,709 It looked like... I don't know. 295 00:14:04,816 --> 00:14:08,017 It was the shape of a... a man. 296 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:09,692 Okay. 297 00:14:09,782 --> 00:14:11,581 So was that the only thing that scared you? 298 00:14:11,671 --> 00:14:13,371 No. 299 00:14:13,459 --> 00:14:15,209 I hear sounds a lot. 300 00:14:15,298 --> 00:14:19,350 Like, rattling and banging. 301 00:14:19,461 --> 00:14:20,527 It's coming from Mom's dressing room. 302 00:14:20,631 --> 00:14:22,898 - From Mom's dressing room? - Yeah. 303 00:14:22,972 --> 00:14:24,138 Okay, it sounds like 304 00:14:24,226 --> 00:14:25,475 that kind of scares you then, huh? 305 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:26,579 Yeah. 306 00:14:26,683 --> 00:14:29,251 I'll only go up here, like, sometimes 307 00:14:29,341 --> 00:14:31,174 when my mom's up here. 308 00:14:31,298 --> 00:14:32,264 - Okay. - If nobody's up here, 309 00:14:32,351 --> 00:14:34,701 I won't go up here, especially at night. 310 00:14:34,842 --> 00:14:36,825 Especially at night, okay. 311 00:14:36,915 --> 00:14:39,215 We're gonna try and fix things, me and my partner. 312 00:14:39,305 --> 00:14:40,605 And then you can come here all by yourself 313 00:14:40,693 --> 00:14:43,027 and just have a good time in your bedroom. 314 00:14:43,117 --> 00:14:44,533 That sound like a plan? 315 00:14:44,672 --> 00:14:46,355 Mm-hmm. 316 00:14:50,456 --> 00:14:52,940 There's a little boy. 317 00:14:53,065 --> 00:14:55,732 I don't know, maybe 8? 318 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,340 Okay. 319 00:14:57,478 --> 00:14:58,978 And the younger woman, 320 00:14:59,083 --> 00:15:00,782 she's like this silhouette 321 00:15:00,872 --> 00:15:03,489 rushing back and forth between the rooms. 322 00:15:03,597 --> 00:15:06,331 It's like... like there's a weird noise 323 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:10,175 like she's moaning or screaming or something. 324 00:15:11,638 --> 00:15:13,254 [Bleep] 325 00:15:17,540 --> 00:15:19,624 These kids, they're both, you know, 326 00:15:19,713 --> 00:15:22,881 seeing this and hearing this. 327 00:15:22,990 --> 00:15:25,507 But I don't feel the clutching in here, 328 00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:30,634 the touching from her to this person. 329 00:15:30,714 --> 00:15:34,349 It's more like smothering, much smothering in here. 330 00:15:36,833 --> 00:15:39,533 Much smothering. 331 00:15:39,642 --> 00:15:40,874 There's a weird relationship 332 00:15:40,978 --> 00:15:44,780 between her and that person in that room. 333 00:15:44,891 --> 00:15:48,159 But, here, she just wants this person dead. 334 00:16:00,488 --> 00:16:01,487 STEVE: Jimmy doesn't know a lot about 335 00:16:01,624 --> 00:16:03,124 his grandmother's suicide in the house, 336 00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:05,764 but he said I could reach out to some of his relatives. 337 00:16:05,871 --> 00:16:07,787 Turns out his aunt, the victim's daughter, 338 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:10,661 was there minutes after her mom shot herself. 339 00:16:19,078 --> 00:16:21,212 STEVE: So, Kathy, you grew up in that house, right? 340 00:16:21,318 --> 00:16:22,451 KATHY: Yes. 341 00:16:22,556 --> 00:16:25,723 Did you ever experience anything in the house 342 00:16:25,833 --> 00:16:27,732 - that you couldn't explain. - I haven't. 343 00:16:27,822 --> 00:16:28,954 - You haven't? - No. 344 00:16:29,075 --> 00:16:32,243 Okay. Now, your mom. What kind of woman was she? 345 00:16:32,352 --> 00:16:34,619 Um, Mom was the best. 346 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,627 There was never anything, in my world, 347 00:16:37,718 --> 00:16:40,936 she did wrong, ever. 348 00:16:41,029 --> 00:16:42,745 I have a picture of my mom. 349 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:46,803 This was in the mid-to-late '50s. 350 00:16:46,898 --> 00:16:49,882 It was actually taken in the living room there. 351 00:16:49,973 --> 00:16:52,240 Now, I understand your mom had gotten ill, 352 00:16:52,331 --> 00:16:52,946 is that correct? 353 00:16:53,032 --> 00:16:55,283 My mother got bone cancer. 354 00:16:55,390 --> 00:17:02,328 She was diagnosed with it about 1981 or 1982, 355 00:17:02,445 --> 00:17:03,578 somewhere like that. 356 00:17:03,682 --> 00:17:05,081 My grandmother died of bone cancer, 357 00:17:05,187 --> 00:17:06,570 and I remember how painful that was. 358 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:08,825 Very terrible. 359 00:17:08,931 --> 00:17:12,616 Just said, "Well, runs in the family. 360 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:14,876 I guess it's my turn." 361 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:18,452 And here's a picture of her shortly before she died. 362 00:17:20,768 --> 00:17:22,267 I know it's gonna be tough to talk about, 363 00:17:22,406 --> 00:17:23,405 but can you take me through 364 00:17:23,493 --> 00:17:25,410 what happened the day your mom passed? 365 00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:30,886 The day mom died, um, I was working. 366 00:17:30,999 --> 00:17:34,184 I got a phone call from my dad. 367 00:17:34,276 --> 00:17:39,446 He says, "come quick, Mom's shot." 368 00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:43,094 Got here as quick as I can, come into the house, 369 00:17:43,237 --> 00:17:47,490 and went upstairs, and found her in her bed. 370 00:17:47,617 --> 00:17:51,486 - And with a gunshot wound? - Yes. 371 00:17:51,579 --> 00:17:53,129 And seeing where the gunshot wound was, 372 00:17:53,217 --> 00:17:55,568 it went right through the brain stem. 373 00:17:55,676 --> 00:17:59,010 - She was gone. - Okay. 374 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,869 Yeah. I know. 375 00:18:00,959 --> 00:18:02,291 I'm sorry, honey. 376 00:18:06,007 --> 00:18:08,441 After all these years. 377 00:18:08,531 --> 00:18:09,647 It doesn't matter. 378 00:18:09,752 --> 00:18:11,519 You could be 80 years old 379 00:18:11,608 --> 00:18:13,024 and you'll still think about it. 380 00:18:13,163 --> 00:18:14,846 Mm-hmm. 381 00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:20,747 [Breathes deeply] 382 00:18:20,853 --> 00:18:22,886 You all right? 383 00:18:23,026 --> 00:18:24,959 [Groans] 384 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:26,365 It's the older woman. 385 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:29,438 She was sick, a lot. 386 00:18:31,084 --> 00:18:35,353 I'm trying to figure out what exactly she had. 387 00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:39,499 She was, like, very confused about where she was, 388 00:18:39,594 --> 00:18:43,546 what was happening, what's going on. 389 00:18:43,689 --> 00:18:45,222 Very, very dizzy. 390 00:18:45,362 --> 00:18:47,262 I do think the living would feel this... 391 00:18:47,368 --> 00:18:49,468 Passing out, fainting. 392 00:18:50,745 --> 00:18:52,544 Somebody got it in the head. 393 00:18:54,323 --> 00:18:56,924 Ah [bleep] 394 00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:00,137 STEVE: Now that I know Jimmy's grandmother 395 00:19:00,224 --> 00:19:02,875 committed suicide in the house, 396 00:19:03,016 --> 00:19:04,099 I need to see if there's anything else 397 00:19:04,219 --> 00:19:06,119 that could help my investigation. 398 00:19:06,225 --> 00:19:09,226 Searching through old records, I find a strange story. 399 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,836 It involves a woman who lived right by my clients' property 400 00:19:11,943 --> 00:19:13,009 who got married 401 00:19:13,114 --> 00:19:15,014 only to have her husband kill himself 402 00:19:15,153 --> 00:19:16,653 a couple of days later. 403 00:19:16,758 --> 00:19:18,007 I called the local historian 404 00:19:18,129 --> 00:19:20,129 to look into this weird suicide for me. 405 00:19:20,268 --> 00:19:22,819 She called me back and said there's a lot more to this story 406 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:24,660 that will definitely help my case. 407 00:19:30,667 --> 00:19:32,934 So, Tracy, before we get to this weird suicide, 408 00:19:33,025 --> 00:19:34,141 uh, you mentioned on the phone 409 00:19:34,228 --> 00:19:36,979 there was some interesting stuff about his widow. 410 00:19:37,087 --> 00:19:38,086 What can you tell me? 411 00:19:38,191 --> 00:19:39,590 Her name is Mattie Waugaman, 412 00:19:39,695 --> 00:19:40,995 and she lived a few doors down 413 00:19:41,083 --> 00:19:42,916 from the property you're investigating. 414 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:46,240 Her family had a very successful tavern in Delmont. 415 00:19:46,349 --> 00:19:47,365 So she would have been 416 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:49,286 a child of privilege in the area. 417 00:19:49,425 --> 00:19:50,791 All right. Did she do anything, 418 00:19:50,930 --> 00:19:52,296 or did she live off the parents' money? 419 00:19:52,384 --> 00:19:54,734 She was a seamstress, but she had bigger plans. 420 00:19:54,842 --> 00:19:56,208 She wanted to make her own money 421 00:19:56,313 --> 00:19:58,062 and not live off of her dad's money. 422 00:19:58,152 --> 00:19:59,051 So she got involved in 423 00:19:59,155 --> 00:20:01,655 the Westmoreland County home scandal. 424 00:20:01,797 --> 00:20:02,829 What's that all about? 425 00:20:02,933 --> 00:20:04,650 She's in these rich homes, 426 00:20:04,772 --> 00:20:07,106 selling dresses, making things for these ladies, 427 00:20:07,247 --> 00:20:10,314 and she's seeing some things that maybe she wants. 428 00:20:10,423 --> 00:20:11,956 So probably took things here and there. 429 00:20:12,045 --> 00:20:13,094 She ever get charged? 430 00:20:13,181 --> 00:20:15,315 She did not, and she did not serve any time. 431 00:20:15,438 --> 00:20:17,739 Okay, so now, I saw in the article I came across 432 00:20:17,829 --> 00:20:19,829 - that she got married at 35. - Mmhmm. 433 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,219 I mean, which seems kind of late 434 00:20:21,306 --> 00:20:22,322 for that time period. 435 00:20:22,427 --> 00:20:24,527 Well, Mattie was a rebel. 436 00:20:24,617 --> 00:20:26,283 She got married late, 437 00:20:26,406 --> 00:20:29,207 and she had a child out of wedlock in 1873, 438 00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:30,914 and she named him Everett. 439 00:20:31,004 --> 00:20:32,653 So I could imagine in 1873, 440 00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:34,758 having a kid out of wedlock's got to be a big to-do. 441 00:20:34,849 --> 00:20:35,898 Oh, absolutely. 442 00:20:35,985 --> 00:20:38,769 I mean, even in the 1970s it was a big scandal. 443 00:20:38,861 --> 00:20:39,977 So just imagine the shame 444 00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:41,982 that was brought on her in that small town. 445 00:20:42,121 --> 00:20:43,687 So possibly 'cause it was a scandalous thing, 446 00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:45,192 nobody wanted to marry this girl. 447 00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:47,597 Well, in April of 1884, 448 00:20:47,738 --> 00:20:50,105 she goes, and she meets this guy in Greensburg, 449 00:20:50,195 --> 00:20:51,578 - this J.R. Taylor. - Okay. 450 00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:53,500 And she married him within the day, 451 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:55,473 shocked friends and family. 452 00:20:55,596 --> 00:20:56,628 What do you... wait... wait a minute. 453 00:20:56,716 --> 00:20:58,499 She got married the same day she met the guy? 454 00:20:58,588 --> 00:21:00,471 - Same day she met him. - Wow. 455 00:21:00,611 --> 00:21:01,710 What happened? 456 00:21:01,848 --> 00:21:05,483 Just a couple days later, he wrote four suicide notes. 457 00:21:05,592 --> 00:21:06,792 And in those suicide notes, 458 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:10,615 he expressed how sorry he was that he had no money 459 00:21:10,742 --> 00:21:13,259 and he could not support his new bride. 460 00:21:13,384 --> 00:21:15,818 Only possession he had of value was a gold piece, 461 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,991 and he wrote in the suicide letter 462 00:21:18,081 --> 00:21:19,547 to leave it to Mattie, 463 00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:22,337 a woman that he only knew for a few days. 464 00:21:22,428 --> 00:21:24,294 Then, after he wrote those notes, 465 00:21:24,418 --> 00:21:26,618 he went and took a lethal dose of morphine 466 00:21:26,724 --> 00:21:29,358 and was found the next morning. 467 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,299 "From the Alter to the Grave." 468 00:21:31,389 --> 00:21:33,639 That says it all right there, huh? 469 00:21:34,816 --> 00:21:36,482 AMY: The younger lady, 470 00:21:36,588 --> 00:21:39,122 she was all about money, money, money, money. 471 00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:43,968 Her parents may have had some money. 472 00:21:44,061 --> 00:21:46,628 Um, I'm seeing, like, gold. 473 00:21:46,719 --> 00:21:50,655 I would put her not much further than 1918. 474 00:21:50,765 --> 00:21:54,767 She might have had two relationships with two men, 475 00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:58,313 uh, that didn't end well. 476 00:21:58,405 --> 00:22:01,122 She was, like, a control freak. 477 00:22:01,214 --> 00:22:03,197 She was kind of demented. 478 00:22:18,058 --> 00:22:19,324 STEVE: Another thing caught my attention. 479 00:22:19,429 --> 00:22:20,695 Back in 1970, 480 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,884 just down the block from Jimmy and Melissa's house, 481 00:22:23,006 --> 00:22:24,639 a guy broke in and murdered a woman 482 00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:27,446 right in front of her 6-year-old kid. 483 00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:29,154 I'm heading over to meet with the county sheriff, 484 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:30,792 who said it was one of the most brutal crimes 485 00:22:30,881 --> 00:22:32,664 in the city's history. 486 00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,818 So, Sheriff Held, this homicide I asked you to look into for me, 487 00:22:39,926 --> 00:22:41,525 it was pretty brutal. 488 00:22:41,631 --> 00:22:43,831 Yeah, It was one of the most notorious in Delmont's history. 489 00:22:43,971 --> 00:22:44,803 So, what were you able to find out 490 00:22:44,908 --> 00:22:46,407 about the victim in this case? 491 00:22:46,512 --> 00:22:47,745 Her name's Harriet Thomas. 492 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:50,417 She was a 52-year-old white female. 493 00:22:50,525 --> 00:22:52,492 She lived across the street and one house over 494 00:22:52,631 --> 00:22:54,464 from, your client's property. 495 00:22:54,554 --> 00:22:56,337 All right, so, what do we know about our perp in this case? 496 00:22:56,426 --> 00:22:57,542 His name is Johnny Fostar. 497 00:22:57,681 --> 00:22:59,781 He was 25 years old at the time of the murder. 498 00:22:59,870 --> 00:23:01,086 He lived across the street 499 00:23:01,174 --> 00:23:02,841 but one house in the opposite direction 500 00:23:02,929 --> 00:23:04,228 from the victim. 501 00:23:04,334 --> 00:23:07,268 And we have a picture of him too. 502 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,610 Got into trouble at a very young age. 503 00:23:09,701 --> 00:23:11,651 - First arrest was at 12. - Okay. 504 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,224 And it started out just petty crimes... you know, theft, 505 00:23:14,315 --> 00:23:16,398 breaking into houses, and stealing. 506 00:23:16,488 --> 00:23:18,672 He was once investigated for 507 00:23:18,812 --> 00:23:19,728 breaking into a neighbor's home 508 00:23:19,849 --> 00:23:21,565 and observing her while she slept 509 00:23:21,687 --> 00:23:23,653 and actually touched her and woke her up. 510 00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:24,976 - He's a creeper? - Yes. 511 00:23:25,065 --> 00:23:25,930 - Peeping Tom maybe. - Right. 512 00:23:26,017 --> 00:23:28,000 He could be referred to as. 513 00:23:30,748 --> 00:23:33,015 AMY: The pervy guy, I would kind of put him, 514 00:23:33,122 --> 00:23:38,592 like, in the '70s, like 1970s or '60s maybe. 515 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:40,206 I'm trying to get a read on the creepy guy 516 00:23:40,311 --> 00:23:42,211 who watches the living here. 517 00:23:42,317 --> 00:23:44,401 He doesn't want me to see anything, 518 00:23:44,524 --> 00:23:47,625 but I'm getting quick glimpses of what he was like in life. 519 00:23:47,734 --> 00:23:49,568 He's weird. 520 00:23:49,674 --> 00:23:51,607 Like, stalker. 521 00:23:55,023 --> 00:23:59,126 He was some kind of sexual offender. 522 00:23:59,237 --> 00:24:01,153 All right, so how's this homicide go down? 523 00:24:01,276 --> 00:24:03,076 On February 28th, 1970, 524 00:24:03,165 --> 00:24:05,299 he broke into Harriet Thomas' house. 525 00:24:05,421 --> 00:24:06,537 Apparently, he was mixing alcohol 526 00:24:06,659 --> 00:24:08,726 with 15 Benzodiazepine pills. 527 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,748 - Very strong narcotics. - Yes. 528 00:24:10,872 --> 00:24:12,839 There's a struggle with her, 529 00:24:12,928 --> 00:24:14,778 and he stabs her 27 times with a screwdriver 530 00:24:14,918 --> 00:24:16,367 in front of her 6-year-old son. 531 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,889 And I have the coroner's report here. 532 00:24:20,301 --> 00:24:21,800 Okay. 533 00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:24,473 So she's stabbed in the chest with a screwdriver. 534 00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:26,647 [Bleep] This guy really did a job on her. 535 00:24:26,738 --> 00:24:28,187 He was actually convicted in this courtroom 536 00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:30,292 right here on December 7th, 1970. 537 00:24:30,382 --> 00:24:32,782 So now, what did he get convicted of? 538 00:24:32,907 --> 00:24:34,106 He got convicted of murder 539 00:24:34,244 --> 00:24:35,943 and got sentenced to life in prison without parole. 540 00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:38,850 And we have a, uh... we have a photo here 541 00:24:38,942 --> 00:24:40,791 that is a Department of Corrections photo. 542 00:24:40,881 --> 00:24:41,997 Okay, so now, this guy's 25 543 00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:43,618 at the time of the homicide in '70. 544 00:24:43,706 --> 00:24:45,506 Plausibly, he could still be alive in jail, right? 545 00:24:45,596 --> 00:24:47,445 Oh, no. He died in 2003 of lung cancer 546 00:24:47,585 --> 00:24:48,701 at the age of 57. 547 00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:50,939 Good. He deserved it. 548 00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:55,534 Something about fif... The number 15 549 00:24:55,643 --> 00:24:57,810 has something to do with this male. 550 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:02,053 I do see blood on his hands when he's talking about this. 551 00:25:05,106 --> 00:25:07,573 He's older. He's probably in his 50s. 552 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,231 He's got, like, that kind of hairstyle. 553 00:25:10,355 --> 00:25:12,955 It's longer, you know, swept over. 554 00:25:13,063 --> 00:25:15,831 He occasionally has a mustache. 555 00:25:15,939 --> 00:25:18,106 You would never think he was a weirdo. 556 00:25:18,213 --> 00:25:22,849 Like, he looks like a nice, little middle-aged, 557 00:25:22,961 --> 00:25:25,328 you know, family man or something. 558 00:25:30,718 --> 00:25:33,419 AMY: I saw several dead people during my walk. 559 00:25:33,527 --> 00:25:35,960 But the angry woman tormenting a living child 560 00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:37,734 had me the most concerned. 561 00:25:37,873 --> 00:25:39,273 She's young. 562 00:25:39,378 --> 00:25:40,510 Pretty thin. 563 00:25:40,648 --> 00:25:43,382 She had dark hair. 564 00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:49,461 There was a kid in the bed. 565 00:25:49,576 --> 00:25:55,046 And this lady, she was smothering this child. 566 00:25:58,236 --> 00:26:00,920 Is this what you saw? 567 00:26:01,011 --> 00:26:02,894 Yes. That's what I saw. 568 00:26:22,754 --> 00:26:25,521 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 569 00:26:25,613 --> 00:26:26,812 we're ready to reveal our findings 570 00:26:26,934 --> 00:26:30,902 to each other and our clients for the first time. 571 00:26:31,012 --> 00:26:34,080 Now, Amy, when you talked to Jimmy and Melissa here, um, 572 00:26:34,189 --> 00:26:35,722 it doesn't take but a couple of seconds 573 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:38,461 to realize how much they love their kids. 574 00:26:38,569 --> 00:26:40,669 I have a photo here of the family. 575 00:26:40,775 --> 00:26:42,875 This is their oldest daughter, Samone, who's 9. 576 00:26:42,966 --> 00:26:44,816 This is Mason, who's 7. 577 00:26:44,955 --> 00:26:47,289 And this is Cyrus, who is now what, 20... 578 00:26:47,379 --> 00:26:48,629 - 22 months. - 22 months. 579 00:26:48,717 --> 00:26:50,617 Now, they're the reason we're here. 580 00:26:50,706 --> 00:26:53,324 Melissa thinks they're in danger. 581 00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:55,649 Even though that house has been in Jimmy's family 582 00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:58,289 for three generations, if we can't help them, 583 00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:00,397 he's ready to pack up and leave. 584 00:27:00,504 --> 00:27:02,270 So now that Amy knows a little bit about your family 585 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,324 and what's going on here, 586 00:27:03,446 --> 00:27:07,481 I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk. 587 00:27:07,575 --> 00:27:09,658 AMY: When I got here, 588 00:27:09,765 --> 00:27:14,168 there were several dead people roaming about. 589 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,080 But first I want to discuss 590 00:27:17,188 --> 00:27:19,455 the male that's in the living room area. 591 00:27:19,562 --> 00:27:20,611 Okay. 592 00:27:20,699 --> 00:27:25,702 And, um, he seemed to be kind of a sexual deviant. 593 00:27:25,814 --> 00:27:28,899 I actually saw him going through ladies' underwear. 594 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:32,226 He likes to watch people get undressed. 595 00:27:32,335 --> 00:27:35,536 He also likes to caress or touch people. 596 00:27:35,678 --> 00:27:36,761 That doesn't surprise me, 597 00:27:36,882 --> 00:27:38,381 'cause I always feel like I'm being watched, 598 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:40,503 and it's weird because when I'm getting a shower or anything, 599 00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:41,592 it's like I shut the door, and then I still feel like 600 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,929 there's a camera or something on me. 601 00:27:43,017 --> 00:27:46,369 You know what I mean? Like, I'm not alone in there. 602 00:27:46,461 --> 00:27:49,629 I did actually see him in the upstairs master bedroom, 603 00:27:49,721 --> 00:27:52,189 and he was touching a male. 604 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,628 What I saw was 605 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,935 this male feeling something strange happening, 606 00:27:57,027 --> 00:27:58,877 and kind of being like, 607 00:27:58,983 --> 00:28:00,666 you know, "I'm sick and tired of this. 608 00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:02,422 It's got to stop." 609 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:04,460 It's funny you mentioned upstairs because, I mean, 610 00:28:04,551 --> 00:28:06,968 things are so bad in the house that Melissa and the kids 611 00:28:07,108 --> 00:28:08,641 sleep down here in the living room. 612 00:28:08,746 --> 00:28:09,411 Okay. 613 00:28:09,499 --> 00:28:10,565 Do me a favor. 614 00:28:10,685 --> 00:28:13,152 Tell Amy about the incident with the bed. 615 00:28:13,261 --> 00:28:15,044 JIMMY: Yeah. 616 00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:17,934 I felt like I was picked up, 617 00:28:18,042 --> 00:28:20,276 picked up to the ceiling and dropped. 618 00:28:20,383 --> 00:28:21,582 MELISSA: And he's not someone who scares easily. 619 00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:23,502 When he came out, he was white as a ghost, 620 00:28:23,592 --> 00:28:25,008 and I knew something was wrong. 621 00:28:25,131 --> 00:28:28,065 JIMMY: I had no clue. 622 00:28:28,156 --> 00:28:30,473 Now, I did come across a perv in my research, 623 00:28:30,614 --> 00:28:32,147 but I need to know a little bit more about this guy 624 00:28:32,285 --> 00:28:33,818 if you've got anything. 625 00:28:33,924 --> 00:28:37,659 I got that he was from the '60s or '70s. 626 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,321 The number 15 was important. 627 00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:43,847 He was talking about women in his life 628 00:28:43,955 --> 00:28:46,506 and how that never went well. 629 00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:49,297 Obviously, he had sexual problems. 630 00:28:49,438 --> 00:28:51,872 So then I saw him looking in a mirror in a bathroom, 631 00:28:51,979 --> 00:28:53,495 and he had his hands up, 632 00:28:53,585 --> 00:28:56,569 and there was blood all over his hands. 633 00:28:57,865 --> 00:28:58,997 Well, a lot of things you're saying 634 00:28:59,101 --> 00:29:01,802 reminds me of a guy named Johnny Fostar. 635 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:03,943 He grew up a couple doors down from here. 636 00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:06,116 I got a photo of him here. 637 00:29:06,207 --> 00:29:07,706 Now, this guy was a neighborhood criminal. 638 00:29:07,795 --> 00:29:08,977 - Oh. - He stole a lot from everybody. 639 00:29:09,099 --> 00:29:10,298 He was a thief. 640 00:29:10,403 --> 00:29:13,321 Now, most of these crimes took place during the '60s. 641 00:29:13,446 --> 00:29:17,114 Now, in 1968, he got caught breaking into a woman's house 642 00:29:17,207 --> 00:29:18,607 and watching her sleep, 643 00:29:18,728 --> 00:29:20,628 and she woke up when he touched her. 644 00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:21,300 Oh, my goodness. 645 00:29:21,404 --> 00:29:22,670 Oh, Lord. 646 00:29:22,757 --> 00:29:24,540 - You mentioned about blood on his hands... - Uh-huh. 647 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,596 - ...and the number 15. - Uh-huh. 648 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,855 On the night of February 28th, 1970, 649 00:29:29,946 --> 00:29:32,196 uh, Johnny here wound up taking 15 pills, 650 00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:34,153 - very strong narcotics... - Oh. 651 00:29:34,243 --> 00:29:35,408 Mixed with booze, 652 00:29:35,514 --> 00:29:37,247 and he breaks into a woman's house 653 00:29:37,353 --> 00:29:38,519 right across the street from you 654 00:29:38,606 --> 00:29:39,688 by the name of Harriet Thomas. 655 00:29:39,793 --> 00:29:43,061 She was a 52-year-old female. 656 00:29:44,107 --> 00:29:47,175 Harriet gets attacked by Johnny. 657 00:29:47,283 --> 00:29:48,599 He stabs her 27 times in the chest 658 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,020 - with a screwdriver... - Oh, my God. 659 00:29:50,125 --> 00:29:53,243 - Oh, my God. - ...In front of her 6-year-old kid. 660 00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:55,569 - Whoa. - Oh, my God. 661 00:29:55,676 --> 00:29:57,943 STEVE: I actually got the coroner's report. 662 00:29:58,050 --> 00:29:59,883 Stab wound of chest with a screwdriver. 663 00:29:59,989 --> 00:30:02,189 Oh, my goodness. 664 00:30:02,296 --> 00:30:04,530 My God. 665 00:30:04,619 --> 00:30:07,437 He was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. 666 00:30:07,545 --> 00:30:10,062 He wound up dying in prison at the age of 57. 667 00:30:10,187 --> 00:30:14,723 - I got a photo of him just before he died. - Oh, hmm. 668 00:30:14,835 --> 00:30:16,718 Now, is it possible this could be the guy you saw? 669 00:30:16,807 --> 00:30:19,024 Yeah. I think that's the guy. 670 00:30:23,243 --> 00:30:24,459 I wish I could just meet him, 671 00:30:24,564 --> 00:30:27,565 and I wish I could just do something [bleep] 672 00:30:29,513 --> 00:30:31,413 Could this be who lifted Jimmy? 673 00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,253 Oh, I don't think so. 674 00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:36,194 There's someone worse. 675 00:30:40,463 --> 00:30:42,797 I met two women in here. 676 00:30:42,921 --> 00:30:45,388 Um, but the first one I'm going to discuss 677 00:30:45,528 --> 00:30:47,562 is the older woman. 678 00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:52,071 She doesn't really interact with living people. 679 00:30:52,182 --> 00:30:54,850 Um, I know that she got sick here. 680 00:30:54,941 --> 00:30:56,758 She felt ill here. 681 00:30:56,864 --> 00:31:00,065 I got her sickness a lot upstairs... 682 00:31:00,174 --> 00:31:02,274 Dizziness, pain. 683 00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:05,566 I got that there was some mental confusion 684 00:31:05,657 --> 00:31:08,425 with her, uh, death, 685 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,065 and then the worst part, 686 00:31:10,155 --> 00:31:12,105 there was an impact to her head. 687 00:31:15,755 --> 00:31:18,639 You okay, Jimmy? 688 00:31:18,765 --> 00:31:20,181 What? 689 00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:23,704 This is a little bit of a delicate situation. 690 00:31:23,797 --> 00:31:27,548 Um, you mentioned the woman you saw was sick. 691 00:31:27,658 --> 00:31:28,991 Back in the 1980s, Jimmy's grandmother Helen 692 00:31:29,129 --> 00:31:31,630 was diagnosed with bone cancer. 693 00:31:31,721 --> 00:31:32,921 Oh. 694 00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:34,875 Um, she suffered a great deal. 695 00:31:34,964 --> 00:31:35,913 It might've been a problem with the medication. 696 00:31:36,017 --> 00:31:38,584 - She was disoriented. - Yes. Okay. 697 00:31:38,676 --> 00:31:39,808 So, um... 698 00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:43,602 back in 1989, 699 00:31:43,691 --> 00:31:45,224 Jimmy's grandmother wound up committing suicide 700 00:31:45,346 --> 00:31:47,346 by shooting herself in the head upstairs. 701 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:57,374 She was just a good woman, you know? 702 00:31:57,517 --> 00:32:01,752 She was, like, a... like, a saint, you know? 703 00:32:02,866 --> 00:32:06,018 I actually have a picture of your grandmother. 704 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:09,345 This is not too long before she passed. 705 00:32:09,437 --> 00:32:11,420 They didn't tell me she was sick. 706 00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:12,809 Wow. 707 00:32:14,603 --> 00:32:16,503 The important thing is for Jimmy to know, 708 00:32:16,592 --> 00:32:17,675 is his grandmother here? 709 00:32:17,762 --> 00:32:19,228 I...Yeah. 710 00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:22,406 The good news is 711 00:32:22,527 --> 00:32:24,894 I think she's here watching over you guys. 712 00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:27,135 She was really helpful as far as... 713 00:32:27,242 --> 00:32:28,041 Oh, okay. 714 00:32:28,128 --> 00:32:30,028 You know, telling me bad things 715 00:32:30,117 --> 00:32:31,717 that other dead people were doing, you know? 716 00:32:31,856 --> 00:32:33,089 Okay. 717 00:32:34,497 --> 00:32:36,130 I mean, I was hoping this wasn't the case, 718 00:32:36,236 --> 00:32:37,769 that your grandmother wasn't here, 719 00:32:37,858 --> 00:32:41,409 but it sounds like at least she's trying to help. 720 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:42,919 She's protecting. 721 00:32:43,024 --> 00:32:44,657 Yeah. 722 00:32:46,802 --> 00:32:48,052 There's one other thing I want to bring up, 723 00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,605 and this involves one of the kids. 724 00:32:49,711 --> 00:32:50,910 It's Mason, who's 7, right? 725 00:32:51,014 --> 00:32:52,447 - Yeah. - Yeah. 726 00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:53,702 You know what, Jimmy? You explain it to her better. 727 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:56,023 It's your son, about what he sees in... 728 00:32:56,131 --> 00:32:58,664 He says he sees blood on the floor 729 00:32:58,756 --> 00:33:01,473 in the same room that my grandmother died. 730 00:33:01,564 --> 00:33:02,479 Okay. 731 00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:06,051 And he's pretty dead set on it. 732 00:33:06,145 --> 00:33:09,596 Well, you do have a dead person here 733 00:33:09,705 --> 00:33:15,359 who would prefer the children have negative experiences. 734 00:33:15,456 --> 00:33:16,956 MELISSA: That's what I thought. 735 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:26,246 So the person that I think is the biggest threat here 736 00:33:26,357 --> 00:33:29,892 is this younger dead woman. 737 00:33:30,001 --> 00:33:34,337 She seems to be from a very long time ago. 738 00:33:34,449 --> 00:33:37,583 I put her at about 25 years of age. 739 00:33:37,691 --> 00:33:39,858 I think her parents had some money 740 00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:42,666 because her fixation in life 741 00:33:42,807 --> 00:33:46,509 was very much focused on money and image. 742 00:33:46,603 --> 00:33:50,821 And she had two relationships with two different men 743 00:33:50,916 --> 00:33:53,250 that did not end well. 744 00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:56,177 I got one woman in the research that came up 745 00:33:56,282 --> 00:33:58,549 that actually only lived a couple doors down from here. 746 00:33:58,656 --> 00:34:00,456 This woman named Mattie Waugaman 747 00:34:00,595 --> 00:34:02,295 lived down here in the late 1800s. 748 00:34:02,401 --> 00:34:03,534 Her parents owned a tavern in town 749 00:34:03,621 --> 00:34:06,072 and were part of Delmont's high society. 750 00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,363 Now, you mentioned the woman you saw is obsessed with money. 751 00:34:08,487 --> 00:34:09,403 Uh, this woman, Mattie, 752 00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:12,791 was caught up in a pretty big scandal. 753 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,433 She was accused of stealing things 754 00:34:14,522 --> 00:34:15,637 from wealthy people's homes, 755 00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:17,726 but she was never charged. 756 00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:18,848 Interesting. 757 00:34:18,985 --> 00:34:20,251 But what really got my attention 758 00:34:20,390 --> 00:34:23,090 was what you said about the bad relationships with men. 759 00:34:23,198 --> 00:34:24,381 - Um... - Mm-hmm. 760 00:34:24,503 --> 00:34:28,405 This woman had disastrous relationships with two men. 761 00:34:28,515 --> 00:34:30,114 - Hmm. - 1873, she had a kid out of wedlock, 762 00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,922 - which is pretty unheard of back then. - Back then, yeah, of course. 763 00:34:34,015 --> 00:34:36,166 So when she had the baby, it was a huge scandal. 764 00:34:36,272 --> 00:34:37,421 About 11 years later, 765 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,810 she wound up having a second disastrous relationship 766 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,534 with a man, a guy named J.R. Taylor. 767 00:34:42,659 --> 00:34:44,592 She met him and married him the same day. 768 00:34:44,681 --> 00:34:46,064 - Oh. - Oh, nice. 769 00:34:46,153 --> 00:34:49,237 Three days later, this guy J.R. Taylor committed suicide 770 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:52,547 with an overdose of morphine. 771 00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:54,822 - Wow. - I actually have an article here from it. 772 00:34:57,671 --> 00:34:58,737 Now, in the suicide letter, 773 00:34:58,841 --> 00:35:00,474 he basically said that he didn't have enough money 774 00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:01,679 to support his new wife, 775 00:35:01,783 --> 00:35:04,134 and he left her the only thing he had of value, 776 00:35:04,258 --> 00:35:05,457 the gold piece. 777 00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:07,378 So you got to wonder what kind of a woman that was 778 00:35:07,501 --> 00:35:09,535 that had this guy so wrapped up in one day. 779 00:35:09,625 --> 00:35:10,674 Mm. 780 00:35:10,761 --> 00:35:12,878 Now, when Mattie died in 1905, 781 00:35:12,985 --> 00:35:15,152 she was buried in the cemetery right up the street. 782 00:35:15,242 --> 00:35:16,925 - Oh, my God. - Okay. 783 00:35:17,014 --> 00:35:20,516 Now, does this sound like possibly who you ran into? 784 00:35:20,642 --> 00:35:22,309 Sounds about right. 785 00:35:25,406 --> 00:35:29,959 I feel, obviously, that she has some mental issues. 786 00:35:30,054 --> 00:35:36,141 The biggest problem was that she really despises children. 787 00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:42,135 She doesn't even see them as human. 788 00:35:43,362 --> 00:35:45,812 When I saw her upstairs, 789 00:35:45,919 --> 00:35:49,388 she's like this monstrous, like, being up there. 790 00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:53,199 And there's this energy that's just horrendous. 791 00:35:53,343 --> 00:35:58,913 She knows exactly what to do to torture someone. 792 00:35:59,026 --> 00:36:00,759 I see her sleeping in the bed, 793 00:36:00,865 --> 00:36:04,067 like, clutched, being clutched. 794 00:36:06,383 --> 00:36:09,617 Cold, icy hands. 795 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,793 Really bad. 796 00:36:11,899 --> 00:36:14,900 I saw her racing back and forth through that door 797 00:36:15,043 --> 00:36:16,909 as, like, a silhouetted figure 798 00:36:16,999 --> 00:36:19,449 between the two children's bedrooms. 799 00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:23,762 STEVE: Now you know why the kids sleep downstairs. 800 00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:26,454 My daughter woke up screaming 801 00:36:26,578 --> 00:36:27,811 that somebody was in her room 802 00:36:27,898 --> 00:36:29,248 opening and slamming her drawers. 803 00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:31,219 - Mm-hmm. - I mean, she was terrified. 804 00:36:31,326 --> 00:36:34,561 Mason had an incident where he saw white mist coming up the stairs. 805 00:36:34,669 --> 00:36:37,386 Yeah. He said it was a white mist. 806 00:36:37,478 --> 00:36:38,977 It looked like a human shape. 807 00:36:39,067 --> 00:36:40,433 Okay. 808 00:36:40,555 --> 00:36:42,438 And they wake up with bruises. 809 00:36:42,561 --> 00:36:43,693 - Oh, yeah. - Oh, my God. 810 00:36:43,781 --> 00:36:45,096 - STEVE: And scratches. - Yeah. 811 00:36:45,185 --> 00:36:46,701 Wow. 812 00:36:48,612 --> 00:36:49,361 STEVE: Now, could this be this... 813 00:36:49,482 --> 00:36:52,332 - this woman? - Yeah. Yeah. 814 00:36:57,290 --> 00:37:00,674 To think that something is... is attacking my kids, 815 00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:03,367 that's enraging. 816 00:37:03,491 --> 00:37:08,728 Yeah, kids can't grow up like this. 817 00:37:08,825 --> 00:37:10,808 So I had a sketch done of something 818 00:37:10,898 --> 00:37:15,083 that she would like to do, um, to your son. 819 00:37:24,489 --> 00:37:25,455 As a parent, I don't even want to 820 00:37:25,542 --> 00:37:27,025 put this down in front of you, 821 00:37:27,165 --> 00:37:28,531 but, you know... 822 00:37:30,742 --> 00:37:31,824 Oh, my God. 823 00:37:34,604 --> 00:37:36,153 She's lucky I can't see her. 824 00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:39,297 I carry a gun on me. 825 00:37:41,826 --> 00:37:43,843 She's lucky she's not living. 826 00:37:56,549 --> 00:37:58,316 AMY: I had a sketch done of something 827 00:37:58,422 --> 00:38:02,757 that she would like to do, um, to your son. 828 00:38:11,997 --> 00:38:12,996 As a parent, I don't even want to 829 00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:14,499 put this down in front of you, 830 00:38:14,638 --> 00:38:16,387 but, you know... 831 00:38:18,717 --> 00:38:19,800 Oh, my God. 832 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,700 She's lucky I can't see her. 833 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,710 I carry a gun on me. 834 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,256 She's lucky she's not living. 835 00:38:35,201 --> 00:38:36,367 So she's trying to smother him? 836 00:38:36,455 --> 00:38:37,905 Mm-hmm. 837 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:40,777 JIMMY: Mason breathes real heavy. 838 00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:43,720 You can hear him... [Inhaling sharply] 839 00:38:43,811 --> 00:38:45,861 It sounds like he's having problems breathing. 840 00:38:45,968 --> 00:38:48,052 Okay. 841 00:38:48,174 --> 00:38:51,776 She does a weird thing with her hands and fingers 842 00:38:51,853 --> 00:38:56,188 over his mouth, so that does worry me. 843 00:38:56,283 --> 00:38:58,400 This wicked, little [bleep] needs to go. 844 00:38:59,843 --> 00:39:00,942 STEVE: What's her endgame? 845 00:39:01,081 --> 00:39:04,849 As far as your son is concerned, 846 00:39:04,993 --> 00:39:07,493 like, she would like to kill him. 847 00:39:10,544 --> 00:39:13,011 I mean, that's her... her goal. 848 00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:16,202 Is she even capable of doing that to this kid, God forbid? 849 00:39:16,295 --> 00:39:18,261 I think it's a possibility. 850 00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:21,118 So... so that does worry me. 851 00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:22,309 I'd burn it to the ground 852 00:39:22,446 --> 00:39:24,980 if it meant for my family to be happy. 853 00:39:25,122 --> 00:39:27,489 It's just... I mean, the house does mean a lot to me, 854 00:39:27,629 --> 00:39:29,412 but it doesn't mean nowhere even close 855 00:39:29,502 --> 00:39:31,552 to what my children and my wife mean to me. 856 00:39:31,675 --> 00:39:32,591 Right. 857 00:39:35,821 --> 00:39:37,154 So guys, it's been a rough night, 858 00:39:37,259 --> 00:39:42,462 and I'm really sorry about that, especially about your grandma. 859 00:39:42,558 --> 00:39:44,375 Um, but you two are fighters, 860 00:39:44,464 --> 00:39:46,965 and now you know what's going after your kids. 861 00:39:47,056 --> 00:39:50,124 Now the thing is, how do we get rid of the bad dead in the house 862 00:39:50,232 --> 00:39:51,598 so you guys can live a normal life 863 00:39:51,703 --> 00:39:54,754 and raise your kids here in a comfortable manner? 864 00:39:54,846 --> 00:39:56,680 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 865 00:39:58,792 --> 00:40:03,828 Uh, the first thing is to find a male medium. 866 00:40:04,994 --> 00:40:09,380 And this person, on the first day they're here, 867 00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:12,792 is to deal with the male that's here. 868 00:40:12,935 --> 00:40:16,303 So the medium's job here is to get him out of your house 869 00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:18,380 and to banish him from the house. 870 00:40:18,469 --> 00:40:21,103 And then the second day, actually, 871 00:40:21,228 --> 00:40:23,228 I would like for him, the male medium, 872 00:40:23,317 --> 00:40:25,200 to give you a reading 873 00:40:25,307 --> 00:40:27,540 because there are things 874 00:40:27,647 --> 00:40:31,566 that your grandmother needs to talk about. 875 00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:34,877 Once the reading is finished, she'll be ready to move on. 876 00:40:36,174 --> 00:40:39,709 Okay. Now, what about the lunatic woman? 877 00:40:39,801 --> 00:40:42,752 Uh, the last thing that you guys do 878 00:40:42,861 --> 00:40:45,195 is to have a Voodoo priestess come. 879 00:40:46,405 --> 00:40:49,289 This is something that terrifies her. 880 00:40:49,381 --> 00:40:51,614 So I think that she feels like 881 00:40:51,705 --> 00:40:54,622 that's going to put her in a place 882 00:40:54,764 --> 00:40:58,365 where she kind of knows she belongs. 883 00:40:58,475 --> 00:41:00,642 She's pretty terrified. 884 00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:01,381 Good. 885 00:41:01,484 --> 00:41:03,000 This little [bleep]... 886 00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:05,524 she could get hit by a bus tomorrow 887 00:41:05,664 --> 00:41:08,432 and I wouldn't care, you know what I mean? 888 00:41:08,523 --> 00:41:09,806 So, Jimmy, it's got to make you feel good 889 00:41:09,911 --> 00:41:11,677 that you can keep the house that's been in your family 890 00:41:11,767 --> 00:41:12,849 for three generations. 891 00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:15,804 Of course. Yes. 892 00:41:15,895 --> 00:41:17,562 You gonna take Amy's advice? 893 00:41:17,668 --> 00:41:20,869 Absolutely. Absolutely. 894 00:41:20,961 --> 00:41:21,743 She's gone. 895 00:41:24,656 --> 00:41:26,523 AMY: I'm really concerned for Melissa and Jimmy, 896 00:41:26,629 --> 00:41:28,262 as the dead terrorizing their family 897 00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:30,400 present a serious danger. 898 00:41:30,508 --> 00:41:33,108 But with the help of a medium and a Voodoo priestess, 899 00:41:33,249 --> 00:41:34,414 they'll be able to rid their home 900 00:41:34,503 --> 00:41:36,453 of the evil surrounding it and live a peaceful life. 901 00:41:36,503 --> 00:41:41,053 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66719

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