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AMY: Something happened to these people.
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Something quick, something fast.
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Somebody grabbed my ankles
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and dragged me out the bottom of the bed.
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Somebody's physical here.
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You just can't rest in this house.
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Most of the problem is upstairs.
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We're gonna try to fix this, okay?
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This place is bad. Bad.
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Yeah,
there's a lot of crazy [bleep] going on.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Is he trying to kill her? [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my God.
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This is going to kill us.
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STEVE: I'm out here in Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania.
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Amy and I got called in
by a woman named Lisa.
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Now, this is a hardworking,
salt-of-the-earth, sweet woman.
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She's also scared out of her mind.
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Told me the activity in her house
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is so violent and out of control,
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she's barely getting any sleep.
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And now whatever's in the house
is attacking her grandchildren,
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and that's where she draws the line.
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She says we're her last hope and
she's praying that we can help.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house of
any leading information.
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Family photos and personal items
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: There's a lot of people...
dead people...
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and they're cognizant, conscious entities.
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They seem agitated when
I try to talk to them.
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This one guy wears, like, a bowler hat.
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He kind of is a troublemaker.
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He's an instigator for
the dead and the living.
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STEVE: Lisa, I'm glad to be here.
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You sounded really upset on the phone.
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Now that I'm here,
tell me what the hell's going on.
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LISA: I'm being attacked,
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my granddaughter's being attacked,
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and my daughter is being attacked, as well.
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I know something's here,
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and we need your help,
and that's why I called.
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What kind of things are we talking about?
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We're hearing walking,
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doors slamming upstairs,
opening and closing constantly,
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and I'm being touched.
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Our household is being turned upside down,
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and, you know,
my kids don't even want to come in here.
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When they do visit,
they don't want to stay long.
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Okay, so, let me ask you a question.
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When you moved here,
was there somebody else living here?
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When we first moved here,
it was an empty lot,
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and they just built the homes in 2006.
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That changes my investigation a lot.
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Who exactly is living here with you?
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My daughter Tamiera and
my granddaughter Kayla
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and my ex-husband.
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- Your ex-husband?
- Yes.
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Are you guys in the same bed?
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No. He sleeps in the spare room,
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and lately,
he started sleeping on the couch.
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We've spoken to him about it to
ask him if he's seen anything,
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and he just says, you know,
"I don't want to talk about it."
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All we do is argue.
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I truly believe it's the house
that's causing all of this.
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Now, Lisa, a lot of couples break up.
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What makes you think it's paranormal?
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Well, we've been together for 36 years,
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and his attitude that he has now,
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since we moved in this house,
has changed dramatically.
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What are you hoping we could do for you?
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Help me find out what's
going on in this house
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so we can have some peace of mind
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and be able to sleep in here.
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I just want my family back.
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Mm. There's panic... stress, panic, panic.
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Bad. Bad.
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These people who live here are very open,
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and they are being extremely
influenced by the dead,
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which instigator guy loves
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because he can do whatever
the [bleep] he wants.
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There's, uh... a woman,
maybe more, screaming upstairs.
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They're freaking out.
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And the other person in the
house is in [bleep] denial.
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This instigator guy
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is very focused on this
person who is in denial.
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He [bleep] them all the [bleep] time,
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and the person who is in denial knows this.
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But it's real nasty.
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Okay, so, what's going on in here?
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We hear the refrigerator
opening and closing constantly,
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and no one's in here.
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Okay, so...
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Like that?
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Just like that.
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Now, I've seen a dog actually
open and close a refrigerator.
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- You got animals?
- We don't have any animals.
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- Okay, so, you got no animals in the house.
- None.
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What about your ex-husband? Did he hear it?
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Yes, he's heard it,
and I'll say, "Did you hear it?"
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"Yeah. It could be the wind,
or it could be," you know...
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Okay, so he's just being a stubborn man.
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Yes, exactly. Yes.
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Would he talk to me?
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He says no.
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He's adamant about that.
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He just will refuse.
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Okay.
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There's, like,
a lot of stuff going on up here.
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Instigator guy can do a lot.
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He can open and close doors,
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and I think living people,
if they're kind of sensitive,
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would kind of feel this,
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and they're like, "Aah! That's freaky."
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He thinks it's funny.
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But it's something really evil.
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So, why'd you bring me into this room?
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I've seen an old lady in the closet,
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in my closet right there.
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She looked to be in her 80s.
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She had gray in her hair,
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and her hair looked like it was curly.
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She had almost like a witch nose.
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- Long?
- It was long. Yeah.
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And she kind of looked sinister.
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How the hell do you go to sleep
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knowing there's a head in your closet?
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I take sleeping pills to
help me sleep at night.
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Are you sure that the stuff you're taking
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is not giving you...?
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I know without a doubt it's not those.
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I don't know how you're
even dealing with that,
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but what else is going on in here?
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I, um,
was on my back in the middle of the bed,
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and I was being touched.
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Um...
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My breasts were being touched,
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and I saw this shadow figure get off of me.
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I looked to my left,
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and I saw this gentleman
standing to the left,
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facing the window, and he was well-dressed,
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and he smiled at me,
and I just lost it, Steve.
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I just started cursing him.
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Then he just disappeared after that.
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I know it's hard to talk about. It is.
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It's really hard to sleep
in this room at night.
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It's really hard to be in this house.
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- You weren't just touched.
- Yeah.
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You were physically assaulted sexually.
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Just can't rest...
We can't rest in this house.
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You've got to be going out of your mind
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thinking about your granddaughter
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and your daughter being here, as well.
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Yes. And that's my biggest worry.
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Are you afraid that maybe
something's happening with them?
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Something already has.
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This person's not [bleep] sleeping.
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The living person's afraid of this dead guy,
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and the instigator,
he really comes on full force.
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He does creepy stuff sometimes, you know.
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Explain that more. What do you mean?
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One thing I see is, like,
a shadow going up the wall,
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going up the ceiling.
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He's done things like go onto the bed.
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I see grabbing.
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Not a good area.
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STEVE: So, Tamiera, I was talking to Mom
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about the activity in the house.
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Mm-hmm.
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Now, you live here with your
8-year-old daughter, Makayla.
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- Makayla, yes.
- Okay.
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- And she's autistic?
- She's autistic.
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Okay.
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Here's a picture of her.
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- This is her?
- This is her.
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- Oh, she's cute.
- Thank you.
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She won't sleep nowhere else.
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Okay, so, she stays in bed with you?
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- All the time, yeah.
- What about you?
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Any experiences that you can share with me?
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Yeah. I seen an old lady.
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Okay, your mom mentioned an old lady.
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Which one are you seeing?
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She's hunched over.
She got salt-and-pepper hair.
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Okay.
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She's very, like, in her 80s-looking.
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- She got wrinkles.
- Okay.
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So, when you see her,
does she recog... Does she see you?
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Yeah. And what does she do?
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I feel like somebody's stroking my hair.
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Okay, is it, like, a gentle touch, though?
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Yeah, like a motherly love touch.
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But then, when I roll over
to see if it's my daughter,
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she will have her back towards me,
facing this way.
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- So it's not her.
- So it's not her.
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AMY: There are a couple of dead people
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that are hanging around
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because these people are
so easy to be influenced.
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I think it's a female.
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The only thing I can see in her
aging is her hair turns white.
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Kind of a witchy look,
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like her nose and chin
kind of witchy-looking.
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Do you know if the living would
have any interactions with her?
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Yes, I do believe they would.
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Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.
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Ow!
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Mm!
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What happened?
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I got pinched.
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The older woman is being
physical to a living male here.
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She won't leave him alone, really.
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She's always, like,
pinching, prodding, poking.
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She doesn't like him at all.
Like, he feels stalked.
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She feels like she's
protecting a living female
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from this living male.
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I think dead lady feels like
this dude shouldn't be here
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'cause he's no good for this living lady.
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Yeah, she hates him a lot.
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Let me ask you another question.
I was talking to Mom.
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She's had some physical
things happen to her.
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Yeah.
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What about you?
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I was in bed asleep.
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My daughter wasn't home at the time.
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She was with her dad, and, um...
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I felt like somebody grabbed my ankles
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and dragged me out the bottom of the bed,
255
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and I hit this right here.
256
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Okay.
257
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Look.
258
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You okay?
259
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Oh, honey. All right.
260
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Okay. You all right?
261
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[Voice breaking] I
hate talking about that.
262
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You okay?
263
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I'm right here with you.
264
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Nothing's gonna happen while I'm here, okay?
265
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Okay.
266
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My heart's beating fast.
267
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I feel like... I don't know.
268
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I feel like I'm going crazy sometimes
269
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dealing with this, you know?
270
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Like, why is it happening to me?
271
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That's how you feel. Like...
272
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Right.
273
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How often is this physical
stuff happening to you?
274
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_
275
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I'm seeing another dead person,
276
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and he's very distinguished-looking.
277
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He comes in here because, um, he wants help,
278
00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:43,221
and he wants to leave.
279
00:13:43,223 --> 00:13:45,591
He does feel trapped here.
280
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Why does he come here?
281
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'Cause I think one of
the person has abilities.
282
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He's inducing [bleep] panic attacks
283
00:13:53,172 --> 00:13:56,138
because he's super-forceful at night
284
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'cause that's when he
can get to this person.
285
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I think that they do see him,
um, and I think they hear him,
286
00:14:04,214 --> 00:14:08,015
and, you know,
I do see him getting physical.
287
00:14:08,017 --> 00:14:10,219
[Breathes deeply]
288
00:14:10,221 --> 00:14:13,254
And I think this person, like, sees him,
289
00:14:13,256 --> 00:14:16,456
like, you know, shaking the bed.
290
00:14:16,458 --> 00:14:19,930
Instigator guy wants to be friends
with this distinguished guy,
291
00:14:19,932 --> 00:14:21,599
you know, and the other guy's like,
"Would you just leave
292
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because I want to [bleep] leave," you know.
293
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Even though, at times,
I think they've seen both,
294
00:14:27,638 --> 00:14:29,005
like, at once.
295
00:14:29,007 --> 00:14:33,775
So, yeah,
there's a lot of crazy [bleep] going on.
296
00:14:36,449 --> 00:14:39,217
STEVE: How are you dealing with this?
297
00:14:39,219 --> 00:14:41,587
I'm trying to deal with it,
298
00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:44,526
and I think the reason why
I haven't given up and left
299
00:14:44,528 --> 00:14:45,994
is because of my mom.
300
00:14:45,996 --> 00:14:47,862
I don't want to leave her here by herself.
301
00:14:47,864 --> 00:14:49,262
Okay.
302
00:14:49,264 --> 00:14:54,799
You know, and at the same time,
I'm worried about my little girl
303
00:14:54,801 --> 00:14:56,867
'cause, you know, she see things, too.
304
00:14:56,869 --> 00:14:59,068
She screams out, "Monster."
305
00:15:00,704 --> 00:15:02,472
I don't know what else to do.
306
00:15:02,474 --> 00:15:06,376
Like, I'm so afraid of being
in this house at nighttime
307
00:15:06,378 --> 00:15:08,377
or even in the daytime.
308
00:15:08,379 --> 00:15:09,912
You mean alone?
309
00:15:09,914 --> 00:15:11,181
Yeah.
310
00:15:11,183 --> 00:15:15,787
Like, I'll sit in the car when people leave
'cause I...
311
00:15:18,594 --> 00:15:20,329
Aww, honey. Come here.
312
00:15:20,331 --> 00:15:22,697
It's okay.
313
00:15:26,004 --> 00:15:27,437
You know what? We're gonna try to fix this
314
00:15:27,439 --> 00:15:29,139
so you don't have to sit
in your car no more, okay?
315
00:15:29,141 --> 00:15:30,708
Okay.
316
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:33,145
It's frustrating, too,
317
00:15:33,147 --> 00:15:36,112
because I don't want it
to mess with my daughter.
318
00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,338
The second I get to a new location,
319
00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:56,607
I start making a bunch of calls.
320
00:15:56,609 --> 00:15:58,575
I reach out to cops and historians
321
00:15:58,577 --> 00:16:00,077
to help me out with my case.
322
00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:02,680
So, I just got a call
back from a genealogist
323
00:16:02,682 --> 00:16:05,552
who says one of the first
owners of Lisa's property
324
00:16:05,554 --> 00:16:08,415
has a story I'm definitely
gonna want to know about.
325
00:16:15,584 --> 00:16:17,518
Elissa, you mentioned this guy Edward Cappe
326
00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,620
had a tough go of things
327
00:16:18,622 --> 00:16:20,252
when he lived on my client's property
328
00:16:20,254 --> 00:16:21,852
in a house that's no longer there.
329
00:16:21,854 --> 00:16:24,622
Edward was born in 1843 in Ohio
330
00:16:24,624 --> 00:16:26,592
and came with his family to Pittsburgh.
331
00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:29,195
And then he joined his father
in the printing business.
332
00:16:29,197 --> 00:16:33,603
Then he met Sadie,
the love of his life, and marries her.
333
00:16:33,605 --> 00:16:35,906
And they move on to the
property you're investigating
334
00:16:35,908 --> 00:16:38,076
in about 1872.
335
00:16:38,078 --> 00:16:40,212
You mentioned on the phone
there was a lot of tragedy
336
00:16:40,214 --> 00:16:41,847
involving Edward Cappe and his family.
337
00:16:41,849 --> 00:16:43,516
What did you mean?
338
00:16:43,518 --> 00:16:46,116
He had lost four out of his
seven children and his wife.
339
00:16:46,118 --> 00:16:52,361
His second-born daughter, Ida,
died in 1875 of scarlet fever.
340
00:16:52,363 --> 00:16:55,630
This is Ida's death record.
341
00:16:55,632 --> 00:16:59,903
Then we have Harry,
who dies at age 9 months.
342
00:16:59,905 --> 00:17:05,307
And he dies of summer complaint,
which is a colloquial term
343
00:17:05,309 --> 00:17:08,875
for salmonella contamination
through breast milk.
344
00:17:08,877 --> 00:17:10,409
And then, nine years later,
345
00:17:10,411 --> 00:17:14,311
Dalton is born but dies at 5 weeks old.
346
00:17:14,313 --> 00:17:16,448
And he dies of malnutrition.
347
00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:18,819
How did Sadie take all this?
348
00:17:18,821 --> 00:17:20,853
I don't think she took it very well.
349
00:17:20,855 --> 00:17:24,322
She was only 41 when she
passed of uterine cancer.
350
00:17:24,324 --> 00:17:29,527
This is Sadie's death certificate from 1893.
351
00:17:29,529 --> 00:17:32,094
- She also died on the property?
- Yes.
352
00:17:32,096 --> 00:17:35,164
So, then, his namesake, Edward Jr.,
353
00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:39,869
dies in 1920 as a young man
due to a blood disorder.
354
00:17:39,871 --> 00:17:41,503
Oh, geez.
355
00:17:41,505 --> 00:17:43,470
So, Elissa, at this point,
this guy's been through a lot.
356
00:17:43,472 --> 00:17:44,505
What happens to him?
357
00:17:44,507 --> 00:17:48,410
He dies in 1922 of stomach cancer.
358
00:17:48,412 --> 00:17:50,513
I found his will,
359
00:17:50,515 --> 00:17:52,083
and there's something very interesting.
360
00:17:52,085 --> 00:17:54,916
The estate owed $707,
361
00:17:54,918 --> 00:17:58,989
so he dies broke, dependent on his children.
362
00:17:58,991 --> 00:18:01,325
You weren't kidding about a tragedy.
363
00:18:01,327 --> 00:18:05,728
I mean, he loses four of his kids,
his wife, then dies broke.
364
00:18:13,137 --> 00:18:15,975
AMY: The distinguished dude...
365
00:18:15,977 --> 00:18:18,446
Something with the newspapers
and stuff with him.
366
00:18:18,448 --> 00:18:21,115
I think it was the business
he was involved with.
367
00:18:22,284 --> 00:18:26,357
He was always traveling or
living in different places.
368
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,357
He would have money,
and then he wouldn't have money.
369
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,191
Like, he feels like people are after him.
370
00:18:32,893 --> 00:18:35,124
I think he's here because he wants help.
371
00:18:35,126 --> 00:18:37,793
So, he wants to get moved on.
372
00:18:37,795 --> 00:18:40,130
He doesn't think he's doing anything bad.
373
00:18:41,867 --> 00:18:43,266
STEVE: So far,
374
00:18:43,268 --> 00:18:45,734
I know one of the original
owners of my client's property
375
00:18:45,736 --> 00:18:49,209
suffered one crushing
tragedy after another...
376
00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:53,144
losing his wife, four children,
and all of his money.
377
00:18:53,146 --> 00:18:56,214
But I need to see if there's something else.
378
00:18:56,216 --> 00:18:59,316
Searching through old records,
I find the death
379
00:18:59,318 --> 00:19:02,418
of a 14-year-old right
on my client's property.
380
00:19:02,420 --> 00:19:04,954
I'm on my way to meet with an archivist
381
00:19:04,956 --> 00:19:06,555
who did some digging
382
00:19:06,557 --> 00:19:09,323
on this 14-year-old kid's
death on Lisa's property.
383
00:19:09,325 --> 00:19:11,459
Turns out that's only half the story.
384
00:19:12,728 --> 00:19:14,328
She says after the kid died,
385
00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:16,430
his dad went on a downward spiral
386
00:19:16,432 --> 00:19:19,067
and got hooked up with an infamous con man.
387
00:19:23,773 --> 00:19:26,240
Well, Joseph Sulzner moved onto the property
388
00:19:26,242 --> 00:19:27,975
with his wife, Elonora,
and their four children.
389
00:19:27,977 --> 00:19:30,878
He owned a butcher shop, and then, in 1890,
390
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,847
the same year he moved onto the property,
391
00:19:32,849 --> 00:19:34,515
he was appointed a meat inspector
392
00:19:34,517 --> 00:19:35,849
by the U.S. government.
393
00:19:35,851 --> 00:19:37,951
The kid... What happens to him?
394
00:19:37,953 --> 00:19:40,621
Well, in 1893, his eldest son, Christian,
395
00:19:40,623 --> 00:19:43,823
contracted typhoid fever,
and here's his death record.
396
00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:49,922
Now, you mentioned on the phone
that after this guy's kid died
397
00:19:49,924 --> 00:19:51,790
he got hooked up with some con man?
398
00:19:51,792 --> 00:19:54,059
What did you mean by that?
What was going on?
399
00:19:54,061 --> 00:19:56,528
Well, he got involved with James Larson,
a medical quack.
400
00:19:56,530 --> 00:19:59,362
A quack? Why do you call him a quack?
401
00:19:59,364 --> 00:20:01,863
Well, he wasn't an actual doctor.
402
00:20:01,865 --> 00:20:03,765
Before he even met Sulzner,
403
00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:06,935
he was arrested in St. Louis and fined $250
404
00:20:06,937 --> 00:20:09,605
for practicing medicine without a license.
405
00:20:09,607 --> 00:20:11,642
So, now,
why did Sulzner even hook up with this guy?
406
00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:12,810
What was the story?
407
00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:15,681
He had a fall at work and
ended up hurting himself
408
00:20:15,683 --> 00:20:18,218
and developing rheumatism from that injury.
409
00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:20,822
By 1919, it all catches up to him.
410
00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,090
He's paralyzed and bedridden,
411
00:20:23,092 --> 00:20:25,359
and he spends the next three
years of his life like that.
412
00:20:25,361 --> 00:20:29,097
And in 1922, he dies of cerebral hemorrhage.
413
00:20:29,099 --> 00:20:30,865
What about his wife?
414
00:20:30,867 --> 00:20:33,001
Well, she ends up spending
the next six years of her life
415
00:20:33,003 --> 00:20:34,068
alone,
416
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:38,139
and she dies in 1928 of a stroke.
417
00:20:38,141 --> 00:20:41,241
Okay, so, if I got this right,
418
00:20:41,243 --> 00:20:43,277
this poor woman loses her son, who was 14,
419
00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:44,612
and her husband loses it
420
00:20:44,614 --> 00:20:47,248
and winds up hanging around
with this quack doctor,
421
00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:48,816
then she has to take care of him
422
00:20:48,818 --> 00:20:50,650
because he's bedridden for three years.
423
00:20:50,652 --> 00:20:52,484
He dies, and then she's alone for six
424
00:20:52,486 --> 00:20:54,420
and then winds up dying from a stroke.
425
00:20:54,422 --> 00:20:57,388
It sounds like she's the biggest
victim in this whole mess.
426
00:21:01,159 --> 00:21:04,661
AMY: The old lady,
she's very upset, very angry.
427
00:21:04,663 --> 00:21:07,196
I think she lost her family?
428
00:21:07,198 --> 00:21:10,467
The old woman who tortures
the living man in denial
429
00:21:10,469 --> 00:21:12,601
likes to hang out down here.
430
00:21:12,603 --> 00:21:14,636
She's angry that I'm here,
431
00:21:14,638 --> 00:21:17,542
but I'm starting to see
what she was like in life.
432
00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:20,480
She's talking about the meat.
433
00:21:20,482 --> 00:21:22,747
Yeah, she's showing me just how...
I guess how it was,
434
00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:26,786
and she's showing me putting
slabs of meat down here.
435
00:21:26,788 --> 00:21:28,419
This is weird.
436
00:21:32,462 --> 00:21:34,598
All I know is that she literally
437
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,667
is, like, in love with this house.
438
00:21:36,669 --> 00:21:39,270
She loves this house.
439
00:21:39,272 --> 00:21:41,842
I think she was very lonely.
440
00:21:41,844 --> 00:21:43,176
I feel bad.
441
00:21:43,178 --> 00:21:46,179
I, like, see her, like,
talking to walls and stuff.
442
00:21:46,181 --> 00:21:51,152
I don't know if she was
mentally ill or she went crazy.
443
00:22:12,989 --> 00:22:15,959
Lisa's house sits right across
the street from train tracks.
444
00:22:15,961 --> 00:22:17,394
Believe me, you can hear it.
445
00:22:17,396 --> 00:22:19,495
Now, to cover all my bases,
446
00:22:19,497 --> 00:22:21,864
I reached out to a train
expert to look into it for me.
447
00:22:21,866 --> 00:22:23,500
I wasn't expecting much,
448
00:22:23,502 --> 00:22:26,070
but he just called me back, and he said
449
00:22:26,072 --> 00:22:28,273
he found three deadly
accidents on those tracks.
450
00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:38,120
So, professor, you mentioned on the phone
451
00:22:38,122 --> 00:22:39,790
that you found a lot of accidents
452
00:22:39,792 --> 00:22:42,493
regarding train tracks right
across from my client's house.
453
00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:46,030
From the opening in 1883,
there was constant death,
454
00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:48,335
constant injuries at this place.
455
00:22:48,337 --> 00:22:51,171
The rail roads were always
considered to be very hazardous.
456
00:22:51,173 --> 00:22:53,008
So, what about the first one you found?
457
00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:54,611
James Gattie, 1891.
458
00:22:56,082 --> 00:22:58,720
He's on the train tracks taking a shortcut,
459
00:22:58,722 --> 00:23:01,155
gets off the tracks when a train's coming,
460
00:23:01,157 --> 00:23:03,624
and then is surprised by another train,
461
00:23:03,626 --> 00:23:05,159
which will take his life.
462
00:23:05,161 --> 00:23:06,193
Geez.
463
00:23:06,195 --> 00:23:08,395
What are the other ones you found?
464
00:23:08,397 --> 00:23:11,768
Well, there's one in 1905,
which is a catastrophe.
465
00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:13,936
It involves over 100 men.
466
00:23:13,938 --> 00:23:16,805
They're waiting for the train
that usually takes them to work.
467
00:23:16,807 --> 00:23:17,972
Okay.
468
00:23:17,974 --> 00:23:19,873
But they're on the tracks waiting for it.
469
00:23:19,875 --> 00:23:21,942
All right, so, what happened?
470
00:23:21,944 --> 00:23:24,713
So, it's early in the morning, very foggy,
471
00:23:24,715 --> 00:23:26,648
and another train is coming behind them.
472
00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:30,217
In a matter of seconds,
they start pushing out on each other.
473
00:23:30,219 --> 00:23:32,154
Of course,
some people don't get off the tracks.
474
00:23:32,156 --> 00:23:34,223
It strikes them.
475
00:23:34,225 --> 00:23:37,124
There is three killed and two wounded.
476
00:23:42,369 --> 00:23:44,335
[Door opens]
477
00:23:48,273 --> 00:23:50,742
AMY: All right, so, let's go out here.
478
00:23:54,514 --> 00:23:58,284
So many people are hanging
out on the [bleep] lawn.
479
00:23:58,286 --> 00:24:00,287
And there's a lot.
480
00:24:00,289 --> 00:24:01,589
[Bleep]
481
00:24:01,591 --> 00:24:03,224
MATTHEW: Do you know who these people are?
482
00:24:03,226 --> 00:24:05,626
No, I don't know yet. Um...
483
00:24:05,628 --> 00:24:09,367
I would probably put them at, like, um...
484
00:24:09,369 --> 00:24:12,907
between 1900 up to like 1920.
485
00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:14,677
Okay.
486
00:24:14,679 --> 00:24:16,781
A lot of them work together.
487
00:24:16,783 --> 00:24:19,620
They know each other's families.
488
00:24:19,622 --> 00:24:21,959
I'm trying to understand, like,
489
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:23,862
why are they all together, you know.
490
00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:25,798
Usually when they're all together like that,
491
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,800
they all died together, but...
492
00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:32,136
Okay, so,
that's two pretty bad accidents so far.
493
00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:33,204
What else did you find?
494
00:24:33,206 --> 00:24:36,473
It's a very sad story, very tragic story.
495
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:40,012
It's going to happen in
1913 around Christmastime.
496
00:24:40,014 --> 00:24:42,546
There's a young couple, John and Dorothy,
497
00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:44,881
and they're coming back from church,
498
00:24:44,883 --> 00:24:47,485
and they decide to cut across the tracks.
499
00:24:47,487 --> 00:24:48,886
And suddenly,
500
00:24:48,888 --> 00:24:51,454
he saw the train barreling
down on him and Dorothy.
501
00:24:51,456 --> 00:24:54,954
He decides to sacrifice himself.
502
00:24:54,956 --> 00:24:58,357
He pushes her out of the way,
and he's struck.
503
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,491
Ah.
504
00:24:59,493 --> 00:25:02,524
His arms are broken and skull is fractured.
505
00:25:02,526 --> 00:25:03,925
Wow.
506
00:25:03,927 --> 00:25:06,295
So, we got five deaths and a lot of injuries
507
00:25:06,297 --> 00:25:08,330
associated with my client's property
508
00:25:08,332 --> 00:25:09,628
with these train tracks.
509
00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:10,861
I mean, that's a lot.
510
00:25:10,863 --> 00:25:11,929
Yes.
511
00:25:11,931 --> 00:25:14,333
But that's just what's in headline news.
512
00:25:14,335 --> 00:25:17,168
I could show you where
a brakeman was killed,
513
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:19,203
a flagman was killed.
514
00:25:19,205 --> 00:25:21,174
There's plenty of deaths that go unreported.
515
00:25:21,176 --> 00:25:23,843
It was pretty much a death trap.
516
00:25:25,945 --> 00:25:27,979
[Train whistle blows]
517
00:25:27,981 --> 00:25:31,851
I'm trying to figure out their deal.
518
00:25:31,853 --> 00:25:34,721
Um... something about church with them.
519
00:25:34,723 --> 00:25:37,491
Going to church,
520
00:25:37,493 --> 00:25:39,994
but something happened to these people.
521
00:25:39,996 --> 00:25:42,097
Something quick, something fast.
522
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:54,410
There's some kind of walkway here.
523
00:25:57,115 --> 00:26:01,384
Some kind of walkway that they're following.
524
00:26:04,256 --> 00:26:07,722
But I feel like everything should move back.
525
00:26:07,724 --> 00:26:12,296
Like,
I feel like everybody take a step back,
526
00:26:12,298 --> 00:26:14,500
and I don't know why.
527
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:27,344
During my walk, I saw dozens of dead people,
528
00:26:27,346 --> 00:26:29,644
but what has me the most concerned
529
00:26:29,646 --> 00:26:33,216
is the living person being
tortured in the master bedroom.
530
00:26:33,218 --> 00:26:35,751
At the end of the bed is a dead guy.
531
00:26:35,753 --> 00:26:39,490
He's agitated.
532
00:26:39,492 --> 00:26:43,060
And then there's another
dead guy who's under the bed,
533
00:26:43,062 --> 00:26:46,163
shoving his knees up into the mattress.
534
00:26:46,165 --> 00:26:47,563
Okay.
535
00:26:53,201 --> 00:26:54,600
Is this what you saw?
536
00:26:58,369 --> 00:27:01,240
Yes, that's what I saw.
537
00:27:23,185 --> 00:27:26,087
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
538
00:27:26,089 --> 00:27:28,455
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
539
00:27:28,457 --> 00:27:31,056
and our clients for the first time.
540
00:27:31,058 --> 00:27:33,059
Amy, I'd like to meet you Lisa.
541
00:27:33,061 --> 00:27:35,329
This is her daughter Tamiera.
542
00:27:35,331 --> 00:27:37,566
Now, obviously, we're not in their house.
543
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:41,203
The reason for that is Lisa's ex-husband,
who lives with them,
544
00:27:41,205 --> 00:27:44,171
didn't want us around all of a sudden,
545
00:27:44,173 --> 00:27:46,072
and he's not happy about the investigation.
546
00:27:46,074 --> 00:27:51,309
But these guys know they got a problem...
a serious problem.
547
00:27:51,311 --> 00:27:52,742
The activity's bad in their house,
548
00:27:52,744 --> 00:27:54,576
and it gets worse by the day.
549
00:27:54,578 --> 00:27:56,044
They called us in 'cause they want to know
550
00:27:56,046 --> 00:27:57,979
if it's gonna be safe
for them to live there.
551
00:27:57,981 --> 00:28:01,181
Right now, I'm gonna have Amy tell
us a little bit about her walk
552
00:28:01,183 --> 00:28:02,884
and see what she uncovered.
553
00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:09,491
AMY: I went into the house.
554
00:28:09,493 --> 00:28:16,667
I felt a lot of stress and panic,
a lot of anxiety.
555
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:19,869
I did get that there are people in the house
556
00:28:19,871 --> 00:28:22,404
who are very open to the dead there.
557
00:28:22,406 --> 00:28:30,675
I heard,
um... a word right after I walked in,
558
00:28:30,677 --> 00:28:33,474
and the word was "denial."
559
00:28:33,476 --> 00:28:35,844
And, um...
560
00:28:35,846 --> 00:28:40,180
This is associated with a
particular person in the house.
561
00:28:40,182 --> 00:28:42,081
They've had experiences,
562
00:28:42,083 --> 00:28:45,248
but they are just, like,
completely denying it
563
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:48,221
to themselves and to everybody else,
564
00:28:48,223 --> 00:28:51,857
and this is causing a lot
of the yelling and fighting.
565
00:28:51,859 --> 00:28:53,761
It's obvious who she's talking about, Lisa.
566
00:28:53,763 --> 00:28:56,233
Yeah. My ex-husband.
567
00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:58,666
Yeah, when we talk to him
568
00:28:58,668 --> 00:29:01,766
about what we've experienced in the house,
569
00:29:01,768 --> 00:29:08,437
he sometimes just ignore us,
and it's really gotten worse.
570
00:29:08,439 --> 00:29:13,642
The arguing and the anger, that's constant.
571
00:29:13,644 --> 00:29:16,612
You said people in the house are open?
572
00:29:16,614 --> 00:29:19,816
Tamiera's got an 8-year-old
daughter named Makayla.
573
00:29:19,818 --> 00:29:23,919
I have a picture of her.
She's a beautiful little kid.
574
00:29:23,921 --> 00:29:27,421
This is Makayla. Now, Kayla's also autistic.
575
00:29:28,723 --> 00:29:31,724
Would that make her more open to the dead?
576
00:29:31,726 --> 00:29:37,765
She refuses to be in the house by herself,
577
00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:40,402
and when we are in the room,
578
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:42,505
she will point to certain corners,
saying, "Monster."
579
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,112
It tears me up because
I don't know what to do.
580
00:29:53,316 --> 00:29:56,317
Okay, baby. It's okay.
581
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,251
TAMIERA:
[Voice breaking] I don't know what to do.
582
00:29:58,253 --> 00:30:02,688
She's my baby. I love her to death.
583
00:30:04,522 --> 00:30:07,059
It's frustrating.
584
00:30:07,061 --> 00:30:09,163
It really is.
585
00:30:17,001 --> 00:30:20,435
There's three main conscious entities
586
00:30:20,437 --> 00:30:22,837
that hang out in the house.
587
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,871
One of them is a female.
588
00:30:25,873 --> 00:30:28,072
She kind of has, like,
a witchy kind of look,
589
00:30:28,074 --> 00:30:29,839
so, like, a bigger nose and chin.
590
00:30:29,841 --> 00:30:31,407
- You know what I'm saying?
- Yes.
591
00:30:31,409 --> 00:30:33,710
And as soon as I hit the top of the stairs,
592
00:30:33,712 --> 00:30:36,711
to the left, there's a room.
593
00:30:36,713 --> 00:30:39,082
That's her ex-husband's room.
I went in there.
594
00:30:39,084 --> 00:30:43,748
And she was telling me how
much she hated this male.
595
00:30:45,185 --> 00:30:49,653
I think dead lady feels like
this dude shouldn't be here
596
00:30:49,655 --> 00:30:52,321
'cause he's no good for this living lady.
597
00:30:53,358 --> 00:30:55,624
She hates him a lot.
598
00:30:57,158 --> 00:30:59,959
Well, obviously,
the woman she's talking about...
599
00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:01,159
Is the old lady.
600
00:31:01,161 --> 00:31:03,227
Is the old lady you've
seen and you have seen.
601
00:31:03,229 --> 00:31:04,228
Yeah.
602
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:05,463
Describe her.
603
00:31:05,465 --> 00:31:09,568
In my closet, I saw this old lady,
604
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:13,176
just her face, looking at me.
605
00:31:13,178 --> 00:31:16,844
It was, like, smiling at me,
but it was real wide.
606
00:31:16,846 --> 00:31:19,014
You could actually see her teeth.
607
00:31:19,782 --> 00:31:22,581
Now,
who do you think this woman might've been
608
00:31:22,583 --> 00:31:24,615
when she was alive?
609
00:31:24,617 --> 00:31:29,089
She was talking about how
attached she is to the property,
610
00:31:29,091 --> 00:31:33,094
and then,
when I went down into the basement,
611
00:31:33,096 --> 00:31:35,895
she was going on and on and on
612
00:31:35,897 --> 00:31:40,868
about how she used to
store her meat down there.
613
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:45,235
She was indicating that
her entire family died.
614
00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:48,140
I think she died alone.
615
00:31:48,142 --> 00:31:51,910
Now, you mentioned something
in the beginning about meat
616
00:31:51,912 --> 00:31:54,080
and how this lady was
attached to the property.
617
00:31:54,082 --> 00:31:56,215
What you said kind of makes sense
618
00:31:56,217 --> 00:31:57,916
because, in 1890,
a woman moved onto the property
619
00:31:57,918 --> 00:31:59,949
and lived in a different house
with her husband and her son.
620
00:31:59,951 --> 00:32:02,584
Her name was Elonora Sulzner.
621
00:32:02,586 --> 00:32:04,586
Her husband, Joseph, owned a butcher shop
622
00:32:04,588 --> 00:32:06,390
- right around the corner.
- Oh, okay.
623
00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:09,258
And later on became the meat
inspector for the state.
624
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,658
Interesting.
625
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:12,726
Now, you mentioned she lost her family.
626
00:32:12,728 --> 00:32:17,132
Now, she did lose her son at the age of 14.
627
00:32:17,134 --> 00:32:19,633
He died from typhoid.
628
00:32:22,038 --> 00:32:27,415
His name was Christian, and he died in 1893.
629
00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:29,884
Now, right after that happened, the husband,
630
00:32:29,886 --> 00:32:32,221
he had gotten hurt in an accident at work,
631
00:32:32,223 --> 00:32:33,756
and he developed rheumatism.
632
00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:36,625
And this guy wound up being bedridden
633
00:32:36,627 --> 00:32:39,530
for the last three years of his life.
634
00:32:39,532 --> 00:32:43,401
Now, in 1922, he dies.
Here's his death certificate.
635
00:32:43,403 --> 00:32:47,241
Now, Elonora lived alone for six years
636
00:32:47,243 --> 00:32:49,478
until she finally died
from a stroke in 1928.
637
00:32:53,084 --> 00:32:57,421
So, does that sound like
the woman you ran into?
638
00:32:57,423 --> 00:32:59,124
Yeah.
639
00:33:02,262 --> 00:33:07,735
So, the next person that I met was a guy
640
00:33:07,737 --> 00:33:12,972
who I kind of called the
distinguished gentleman.
641
00:33:12,974 --> 00:33:19,415
His whole thing is that he wants
help and he wants to leave.
642
00:33:19,417 --> 00:33:24,653
You guys are so open in this house,
he's keyed in on that.
643
00:33:24,655 --> 00:33:27,158
So, one of the things that I saw him doing
644
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,860
was trying to get, you know,
the living's attention.
645
00:33:32,297 --> 00:33:34,099
Not only is he trying to reach you guys,
646
00:33:34,101 --> 00:33:35,967
but other people are trying to interfere
647
00:33:35,969 --> 00:33:37,868
with that... dead people...
648
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:39,904
and so this pisses him off even more,
649
00:33:39,906 --> 00:33:41,774
and then he gets really agitated,
650
00:33:41,776 --> 00:33:43,875
and he starts acting out a little bit,
651
00:33:43,877 --> 00:33:46,144
and so what he'll do is scream and yell.
652
00:33:46,146 --> 00:33:51,079
He will sometimes cause
or create panic attacks.
653
00:33:53,749 --> 00:33:56,319
You had that look on your face
when she said panic attack.
654
00:33:56,321 --> 00:33:58,753
Because I feel like that a lot.
655
00:33:58,755 --> 00:34:01,357
As soon as I walk in, I'm like...
656
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,160
[Pants] "Ma,
I can't feel my heart speeding up."
657
00:34:04,162 --> 00:34:05,662
And then it kind of, like...
658
00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:08,496
You know how you feel your
heart kind of skip a beat?
659
00:34:08,498 --> 00:34:10,367
- Yeah.
- That's how it feels.
660
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:14,542
And he wants them to move him on?
661
00:34:14,544 --> 00:34:18,412
Well, you know who he really
would like to have him move on
662
00:34:18,414 --> 00:34:20,513
is your ex.
663
00:34:20,515 --> 00:34:22,214
My dad?
664
00:34:22,216 --> 00:34:23,818
Mm-hmm.
665
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:28,022
Wants her father to move him on?
666
00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:29,323
Wait. Huh?
667
00:34:29,325 --> 00:34:32,161
So now you're telling me that
he's probably got abilities.
668
00:34:35,032 --> 00:34:36,764
- Oh, wow.
- I knew it.
669
00:34:37,866 --> 00:34:40,269
Okay, so, now, the guy that you saw
670
00:34:40,271 --> 00:34:41,570
you said was distinguished, well-mannered...
671
00:34:41,572 --> 00:34:42,671
Yes, yes.
672
00:34:42,673 --> 00:34:44,973
Who was he in life? Any idea at all?
673
00:34:44,975 --> 00:34:46,975
He was traveling a lot, like for work,
674
00:34:46,977 --> 00:34:49,376
and then he was showing me how,
like, sometimes
675
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:52,340
he would be really wealthy and
sometimes he'd be really poor,
676
00:34:52,342 --> 00:34:55,045
like it was always fluctuating for him.
677
00:34:55,047 --> 00:34:58,549
I think that his work was something around
678
00:34:58,551 --> 00:35:00,885
or to do with newspapers.
679
00:35:00,887 --> 00:35:02,784
You said this guy was a traveler,
680
00:35:02,786 --> 00:35:04,953
had something to do with newspapers
681
00:35:04,955 --> 00:35:06,989
and that, at points of his life,
682
00:35:06,991 --> 00:35:09,626
he had money,
then didn't have money, had money.
683
00:35:09,628 --> 00:35:12,025
The only guy that comes to mind
on the research on the property
684
00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:13,494
is this guy Edward Cappe.
685
00:35:13,496 --> 00:35:16,998
He came here from Ohio in the 1840s.
686
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,001
He wound up operating a printing press
687
00:35:20,003 --> 00:35:23,606
for a local publishing company.
688
00:35:23,608 --> 00:35:27,576
Now, right after he moved
onto your property in 1872,
689
00:35:27,578 --> 00:35:30,212
things took a turn for him.
690
00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:32,581
Everybody started dying.
691
00:35:32,583 --> 00:35:36,720
I got death records here for
his wife and four kids that died
692
00:35:36,722 --> 00:35:38,222
during the time he was on your property.
693
00:35:38,224 --> 00:35:42,429
Now, in 1922, he died of stomach cancer.
694
00:35:42,431 --> 00:35:44,899
Now, you said this guy had
money but that he lost it.
695
00:35:44,901 --> 00:35:46,900
I was able to track down this guy's will.
696
00:35:46,902 --> 00:35:49,905
When you look at it,
he actually died owing $700.
697
00:35:49,907 --> 00:35:50,973
He died broke.
698
00:35:50,975 --> 00:35:53,040
Is it possible this could be the guy?
699
00:35:53,042 --> 00:35:54,741
It's possible.
700
00:35:54,743 --> 00:35:57,611
I mean, the newspaper thing is interesting.
701
00:35:57,613 --> 00:35:59,917
Now, that's two people.
You said there were three.
702
00:35:59,919 --> 00:36:01,353
So who's the third one?
703
00:36:01,355 --> 00:36:04,489
Yeah, the third guy is...
704
00:36:04,491 --> 00:36:06,725
I called him the instigator.
705
00:36:06,727 --> 00:36:09,062
He does have a bowler hat on.
706
00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:12,367
I saw him inside actually
messing with the living
707
00:36:12,369 --> 00:36:17,270
and, like,
really just trying to start [bleep]
708
00:36:17,272 --> 00:36:20,903
And his thing, too, is, like,
he really likes the drama,
709
00:36:20,905 --> 00:36:23,903
so, you know, he wants to see the fighting
710
00:36:23,905 --> 00:36:26,604
and the yelling and all this.
711
00:36:28,674 --> 00:36:32,279
Some of the things that the
instigator guy likes to do
712
00:36:32,281 --> 00:36:36,250
is he does like to make a lot of noise.
713
00:36:37,752 --> 00:36:41,124
Um, he will go under the bed and grab.
714
00:36:43,626 --> 00:36:46,391
I can't stand him.
715
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:48,927
Now, you pretty much nailed everything
716
00:36:48,929 --> 00:36:51,328
these guys are experiencing.
717
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:53,394
Tell her what happened.
718
00:36:53,396 --> 00:36:57,232
I was sleeping,
and I had my daughter with me,
719
00:36:57,234 --> 00:37:00,601
and I felt like somebody grabbed my ankles
720
00:37:00,603 --> 00:37:04,507
and just pulled me to the
bottom of the headboard.
721
00:37:04,509 --> 00:37:07,175
And the other thing is she was touched
722
00:37:07,177 --> 00:37:09,044
in an inappropriate manner.
723
00:37:09,046 --> 00:37:12,883
I was asleep, and I just... Something...
724
00:37:12,885 --> 00:37:15,086
It felt like something woke me up,
725
00:37:15,088 --> 00:37:19,488
and I just felt myself being touched.
726
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:24,554
To my right,
this dark figure got off the bed,
727
00:37:24,556 --> 00:37:27,623
and then it disappeared.
728
00:37:29,792 --> 00:37:30,891
Does that make sense?
729
00:37:30,893 --> 00:37:32,391
Yeah.
730
00:37:34,759 --> 00:37:36,895
So, I had a sketch done
731
00:37:36,897 --> 00:37:40,862
of a scene that I witnessed in the bedroom,
732
00:37:40,864 --> 00:37:45,500
and both of the dead guys were in there,
733
00:37:45,502 --> 00:37:49,605
the distinguished guy and the instigator.
734
00:37:54,447 --> 00:37:56,749
Oh, geez. Take a look at this.
735
00:37:58,253 --> 00:37:59,987
[Gasps]
736
00:38:01,389 --> 00:38:04,688
[Voice breaking] I can't leave you.
737
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:07,225
This is there. I can't leave you.
738
00:38:07,227 --> 00:38:08,361
[Sobs]
739
00:38:19,598 --> 00:38:21,731
AMY: So, I had a sketch done
740
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:26,398
of a scene that I witnessed in the bedroom,
741
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,097
and both of the dead guys were in there,
742
00:38:31,099 --> 00:38:35,194
the distinguished guy and the instigator.
743
00:38:39,330 --> 00:38:41,631
Oh, geez. Take a look at this.
744
00:38:43,067 --> 00:38:44,766
[Gasps]
745
00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:52,597
Oh, gosh.
746
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,998
[Voice breaking] I can't leave you.
747
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,131
This is there. I can't leave you.
748
00:38:57,133 --> 00:38:58,932
It's okay, baby.
749
00:39:03,372 --> 00:39:06,939
That's why Amy and Steve
is here to help us.
750
00:39:14,113 --> 00:39:15,580
So, Lisa, when we first met,
751
00:39:15,582 --> 00:39:17,481
you said you wanted your old life back.
752
00:39:17,483 --> 00:39:19,149
Yes. But now you know what took it away.
753
00:39:19,151 --> 00:39:23,185
The big question here is what
can you do to fight back?
754
00:39:23,187 --> 00:39:25,886
This way you, your daughter,
and your granddaughter
755
00:39:25,888 --> 00:39:27,357
can live there safely.
756
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:30,091
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
757
00:39:33,563 --> 00:39:36,900
What you're going to do is
you're going to find a medium.
758
00:39:36,902 --> 00:39:40,905
The first thing that they
need to do when they come over
759
00:39:40,907 --> 00:39:44,442
is move the old lady on.
760
00:39:44,444 --> 00:39:47,281
The medium's objective is going to be
761
00:39:47,283 --> 00:39:53,323
reuniting this woman with
her dead 14-year-old son.
762
00:39:53,325 --> 00:39:54,959
So you think it's Elonora Sulzner?
763
00:39:54,961 --> 00:39:56,729
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Okay.
764
00:39:56,731 --> 00:40:00,465
Once that's done,
the medium's gonna be working
765
00:40:00,467 --> 00:40:05,611
on moving the distinguished gentleman on,
766
00:40:05,613 --> 00:40:07,344
and when she does that,
it'll go very quickly.
767
00:40:07,346 --> 00:40:09,812
- Because he's looking to go.
- Yes.
768
00:40:09,814 --> 00:40:11,047
Okay.
769
00:40:11,049 --> 00:40:15,751
Then you have the instigator guy.
770
00:40:15,753 --> 00:40:18,353
He's going to put up a fight,
771
00:40:18,355 --> 00:40:21,424
but the medium will be able to
force him out of your house.
772
00:40:21,426 --> 00:40:23,957
After everyone's been moved on,
773
00:40:23,959 --> 00:40:25,661
I want you to take this tar-water
774
00:40:25,663 --> 00:40:29,932
and put this at every entrance,
including the windows and doors.
775
00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:34,438
This will keep all of the dead out forever,
okay?
776
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,641
Yes.
777
00:40:38,178 --> 00:40:40,513
STEVE: I got a question for you.
778
00:40:40,515 --> 00:40:42,114
Your ex-husband, how's he gonna react
779
00:40:42,116 --> 00:40:44,452
to you having to bring in a medium?
780
00:40:44,454 --> 00:40:46,790
Um, I'm gonna find out.
781
00:40:46,792 --> 00:40:50,026
He's stubborn. He's not going to do it.
782
00:40:50,028 --> 00:40:51,662
Then he'll have to deal with it.
783
00:40:51,664 --> 00:40:53,700
- Yeah.
- I'll probably move
784
00:40:53,702 --> 00:40:56,203
because I don't want to
deal with it anymore.
785
00:40:56,205 --> 00:40:59,237
So, let's say her ex-husband
stays there and they leave.
786
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,474
Have fun.
787
00:41:00,476 --> 00:41:02,943
If he stays there,
788
00:41:02,945 --> 00:41:07,846
I would not ever go to that
house and visit him, ever,
789
00:41:07,848 --> 00:41:10,817
because you'd be walking
into a [bleep] storm.
790
00:41:10,819 --> 00:41:12,952
Literally, all the focus
791
00:41:12,954 --> 00:41:17,256
would just be completely
and utterly on him.
792
00:41:17,258 --> 00:41:19,656
Last night, I straight-up called him...
793
00:41:19,658 --> 00:41:21,557
I was like, "You're selfish."
794
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,293
He is selfish.
795
00:41:23,295 --> 00:41:25,529
"Because, you know,
this is happening to your granddaughter
796
00:41:25,531 --> 00:41:26,629
and you don't even care."
797
00:41:26,631 --> 00:41:28,097
You know, Lisa, normally I would ask you
798
00:41:28,099 --> 00:41:29,865
are you gonna take Amy's advice,
799
00:41:29,867 --> 00:41:32,736
but in this particular case with you,
800
00:41:32,738 --> 00:41:33,971
it's not that simple.
801
00:41:33,973 --> 00:41:35,505
No.
802
00:41:35,507 --> 00:41:38,341
But are you at least gonna, you know, try
803
00:41:38,343 --> 00:41:39,775
to talk to your ex-husband about this?
804
00:41:39,777 --> 00:41:42,813
Yes, definitely, I will. I will.
805
00:41:42,815 --> 00:41:44,215
Are you gonna help her, Tamiera?
806
00:41:44,217 --> 00:41:45,316
Yeah.
807
00:41:47,819 --> 00:41:50,754
AMY:
Removing the dead is extremely important
808
00:41:50,756 --> 00:41:54,290
if Lisa and her family ever
want to find any peace.
809
00:41:54,292 --> 00:41:56,659
I can only hope her husband realizes this
810
00:41:56,661 --> 00:41:58,295
and allows a medium to come in
811
00:41:58,297 --> 00:42:01,800
and deal with the evil that's
terrorizing this family.
812
00:42:01,850 --> 00:42:06,400
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