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AMY: Something kills people here.
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Lots of pain.
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This isn't normal.
There's something going on.
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Really strong.
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Something's grabbing my arm and hurting me.
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And then, she's screaming.
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He was classified as insane.
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This is not good.
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They're being tortured.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my god.
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This is going to kill us.
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STEVE: I'm in the small town of Falconer,
New York.
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It's about an hour south of Buffalo.
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I received a call from a woman named Sheila.
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She said there's something
very wrong in her new home.
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The activity is nonstop, and it's violent.
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Everybody in the house is living in fear.
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But Sheila says her 14-year-old daughter is
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getting the worst of it.
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She says she may be in grave danger.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for anything that
might influence her findings.
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Once all the family photos
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and personal items are covered or removed,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: Oh, boy.
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I'm getting lots of anger and drugs.
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Someone is sick.
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MATTHEW: Currently?
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It feels like it.
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Lots of pain.
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[bleep]
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Ugh, this person is a disaster.
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STEVE: Sheila, when we spoke on the phone,
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I know you were upset,
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and it sounds like you've
got a problem here.
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Tell me a little bit about what's going on.
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It seems like something
is targeting my daughter.
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It's very hard for her to be here.
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She doesn't want to be here.
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There's nothing I can do to protect her
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'cause I don't know what's going on.
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I mean, she's having experiences every day.
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She's having a lot of stomach issues,
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and the doctors can't find
anything wrong with her.
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At one point, she had bruises on her hand
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that looked like somebody grabbed her.
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And that was really what prompted me
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to try and find somebody to help us.
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So, who exactly is living in the house?
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That's my husband, George.
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- This is my daughter, Sara.
- Sara?
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And that's my 15-year-old son, Nathan.
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Okay.
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We've all had experiences.
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Okay.
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There's all kinds of noises in the house.
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We have a lot things that
just come up missing.
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My back has been worse than it's ever been.
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Now, what kind of back pain
are you talking about?
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Severe, stabbing pain,
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where sometimes it takes your breath away.
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And now it's to the point where, you know,
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I'm going to different doctors,
having injections,
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and taking medication just
so that I can basically do
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what I need to do.
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This isn't normal.
There's something going on.
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AMY: A lot of pain,
a lot of pain, physical pain.
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Somebody is [bleep] in
a lot of [bleep] pain.
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It's really bad back pain,
like super [bleep] bad.
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First, I have no idea how
anybody [bleep] lives here.
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I don't know how they sleep.
I don't know how they eat.
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I don't know how they can leave.
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And just the physical pain
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that I feel that they're
dealing with is ridiculous.
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STEVE: So, Sheila,
why did you bring me outside?
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I see somebody walking up the steps.
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And there's a couch right in there
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where I sit at night,
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and I'm thinking somebody's
coming to the door.
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So, I'll get up and answer,
you know, go to the door,
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and there's nobody there.
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Can you make out any features at all,
like a face or anything.
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No, it kind of happens really quick,
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but it looks more like a shadowy figure.
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Okay, so, have you ever seen
this figure anyplace else?
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Yes, inside the house.
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Okay, show me.
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SHEILA: I was sitting on that same couch,
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and I heard footsteps
coming down these stairs,
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so I was looking to see who it was,
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and I never heard the door open,
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but, all of a sudden,
I saw that same shadowy figure,
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like, look around the corner at me
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and then came right back
towards this direction.
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All right, so, you come to investigate,
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and you're sure there was nobody down here?
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I'm positive.
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Okay, did you hear it go back up the steps?
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No, I did not.
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- Okay.
- [Hinges squeak]
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And you definitely hear the door.
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I got no explanation for it other
than what you're telling me.
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What do you really hoping
for us to do for you?
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Well, I'm hoping to be able to find out
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whatever it is that's hurting Sara.
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Just show us how or tell
us how we can get rid of it
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so that we can have an everyday life,
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she can stay here without having
to worry about being alone.
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I don't know what else I can do.
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Okay.
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AMY: [Groans]
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There's, like, this guy.
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He's super-religious...
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like super-religious.
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Wow.
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He wants everyone in this home to leave
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because they are unclean.
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So, you know,
he's haunting the [bleep] out of them.
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MATTHEW: What does he do?
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He acts like a ghost.
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Out of here, he will stomp.
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Like, he'll...
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[Stomps, grumbles]
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He gives no privacy
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and lets it be known there's no privacy.
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So, Sara, I was talking to Mom earlier
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about the stuff that's going on here.
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And the reason I took this
case is because of you
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and what she said you're going through.
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She mentioned some physical problems.
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What's happening?
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Ever since we moved into this house,
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I've had really bad stomach pains
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that feel like someone's
stabbing me all the time,
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and I've gone to like 10 doctors about it,
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and none of them can
figure out what's wrong.
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Is that the only physical
thing you're having, I mean?
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I'll wake up at night,
and I'll be getting scratched,
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and even the whole family,
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like, says that it's centered around me.
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These scratches that
you're getting, I mean,
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how bad are we talking about?
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What are they looking like?
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They'll go away within three or four days,
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but I've had some that have scarred over.
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So I've had some bleeding.
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Where do you generally get these scratches?
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On my thigh and my lower back.
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You have cats here. Yeah.
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Are we pretty sure it's not that?
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Yeah, 'cause I had them
before the cats were here.
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Before the cats.
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Anything else physical happening to you?
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I've gotten bruises on my arm.
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What kind of bruises?
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Like,
something's grabbing my arm and hurting me.
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It looked like four fingers going across,
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and they were really big,
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like,
probably two times the size of my hand.
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- So, like a man's hands.
- Yes.
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The religious guy,
he prefers a particular woman here.
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I see him looming over her.
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He can make physical contact.
Like, he just grabbed my head.
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He was making it known
that he can touch me,
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and it felt like a tingling
where his fingers would be,
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like down into my brain even.
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He gets super-big, smothering,
you know, trying to smother.
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Pressure, panic.
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The way that he smothers people is
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he sticks his fingers in
their mouth and down their...
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He makes people choke.
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He's like, "This is chaos,
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"and they need to fix
it and take care of it
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and accept Jesus Christ,"
into, you know, their lives.
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Okay.
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Things going on all the time.
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They're being tortured.
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So, George, I was talking to Sheila,
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and you guys are practically newlyweds,
right?
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Yes.
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But it seems like you can't even enjoy it.
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No.
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And I know you must be concerned for Sara,
as well.
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Being the stepdad,
it's my job to protect the family,
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and it just freaks me out
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that I can't prevent
what's happening to her.
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Do you ever experience anything?
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On two occasions,
something was on the porch,
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so got the flashlight,
and I took off toward the garage,
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and whatever it was went into the garage.
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Everything that was in
its way was pushed aside.
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It makes the hair on the
back of my neck stand up
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because if I can't catch
and if I can't see it
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and if I can't stop it,
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how can I stop it from
coming into the house?
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So, George,
with all this stuff going on in the house,
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have you tried any kind of...
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get help here or anything like that?
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One afternoon,
somebody stopped by the house,
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and I'm like, "Excuse me. Can I help you?
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Do you have the right house?"
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And he says, "Yeah,
I'm from your wife's church."
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He was wearing the old-style,
black-rimmed hat...
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Okay.
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And a full-length black jacket.
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Like an old preacher type of thing?
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Yes, exactly like an old preacher,
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like from the early 1900s maybe.
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So, he comes in,
and he checks out the house,
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and he starts to make for the door.
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I'm like, "Oh, hey, wait a minute.
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You got anything to tell us?"
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And he just looks at me
dead in the face and says,
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"I can't help you."
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Did you tell your wife what happened?
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Yes, I did.
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As soon as she came home, I told her.
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I said, "Hey,
your friend from the church came."
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And she says, "What friend?"
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I would say that this is not
a very good area in the house.
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This religious guy,
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he doesn't like it up here, either.
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It makes him agitated.
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He thinks that there is
something evil here.
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This is not good.
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From his religious perspective,
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it's, you know,
some kind of demon or something.
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Something kills people here.
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STEVE: So, when I was talking to Mom,
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she mentioned that everybody's
having experiences in the house,
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and I was wondering about you.
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I used to sleep in this bed right here
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and had a laptop there.
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I would watch stuff before I went to sleep.
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And I used to see eyes peering at me
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through this door leading
into the bathroom.
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Describe what it looked like.
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It kind of just looked like
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just two sets of balls that were red,
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that were right next to each other.
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Are you sure it's not something
you're looking at on your laptop
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that's screwing your eyes up?
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No, 'cause, I mean, I'm
trying to comprehend
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what's going on and find
a way to just prove
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that it's not, you know, paranormal.
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Right,
and you're not coming up with any answers?
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I haven't come up with
anything other than...
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Yeah, nothing.
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Okay, so, is there anything else going on?
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Well, I have a few items go
missing for months at a time
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that I've know I placed somewhere.
281
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What kind of stuff?
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It's been water bottles,
keys, a belt one time.
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It's not there when you check,
284
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and then you come back,
and it's in the spot.
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Like, you know it was there before,
286
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but you couldn't find it.
287
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Are you having trouble going
to bed at night or sleeping?
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Yeah, sometimes.
289
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I've always had feeling
that somebody's watched me
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from that corner ever since we moved in.
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AMY: [bleep]
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God.
293
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It gets even worse in here.
294
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There's something here that I'm missing.
295
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And I'm gonna tell you that
it can [bleep] jump people,
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get inside of people's bodies.
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I don't think it's this religious guy.
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It feels feminine.
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This person's good.
300
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They're [bleep] good.
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Really strong.
302
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She knows how to [bleep] hide.
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She knows that I...
304
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They're dangerous when they can...
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[bleep] dangerous.
306
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She makes people sick.
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This is way deliberate,
way intentional.
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Definitely.
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And she messed people up.
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STEVE:
Sheila and George didn't know anything
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about the history of their property,
312
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so I made few calls.
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Turns out one of the original owners
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had real bad go of things.
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I'm heading over to meet
with a local historian
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who says this story is filled
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with heartbreak, insanity, and death.
318
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STEVE: What can you tell me
about the Southland family?
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Jon and his wife, Jane,
purchased the property in 1869.
320
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They had 75 acres of land,
and he was a farmer.
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I have an 1881 atlas of Chautauqua County
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which shows the property, the 75 acres.
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Okay, Now, on the phone,
you said things were tough
324
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for this family. What did you mean by that?
325
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In 1880,
John and his wife were out one morning
326
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- for a ride in their carriage.
- Okay.
327
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And something spooked the horses,
328
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and they veered very hard,
329
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and it caused the carriage to topple over.
330
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Jonathan apparently hit his head.
331
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He managed to hold on to the reins,
332
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but he was dragged behind the horses.
333
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He managed to control them,
and he hitched them to a post
334
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and went back to aid his
wife and dropped dead.
335
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Wow.
336
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He must have had some hit to the head.
337
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So, I would assume that
Jane got the property then
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once he passed.
339
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No, at that time period,
a woman didn't automatically inherit
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her husband's full estate
because there were children.
341
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- Okay.
- They had two grown sons.
342
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Martin was 31, and Charles was 25.
343
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And they were the ones
who inherited the farm.
344
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And so, what happens?
345
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In 1883, Martin was committed
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to a mental institution in Buffalo.
347
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What was his issue?
348
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His commitment was for
religious excitement.
349
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What does that mean?
350
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In the mid to late 1800s,
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people were being exposed to spiritualism
352
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and Mormonism and other new beliefs.
353
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Perhaps his family was
concerned about that.
354
00:17:57,016 --> 00:18:00,053
Geez.
355
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He was classified as insane.
356
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AMY: This guy I met earlier,
he speaks funny.
357
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He does. He speaks strange.
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MATTHEW: How?
359
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Like old-fashioned.
360
00:18:20,416 --> 00:18:24,792
This creepy religious guy is
suddenly opening up to me,
361
00:18:24,794 --> 00:18:27,894
and I'm seeing glimpses of
what he was like in life.
362
00:18:27,896 --> 00:18:30,231
I thought he was in his 60s, but, actually,
363
00:18:30,233 --> 00:18:31,734
looking at him when he was healthy,
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he might have been younger.
365
00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:36,771
In his 50s, maybe, I'm thinking.
366
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He's very skittish.
367
00:18:42,311 --> 00:18:44,479
He's like, "Where are you going?
368
00:18:44,481 --> 00:18:45,715
"Where are you going? What's up? What's up?
369
00:18:45,717 --> 00:18:46,950
"Where are you going? Where are you going?
370
00:18:46,952 --> 00:18:49,017
Okay, okay, okay, okay."
371
00:18:50,585 --> 00:18:55,721
He was detained at some point in his life.
372
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So, yeah, he had problems,
you know, with his family.
373
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There were problems there.
374
00:19:02,329 --> 00:19:03,794
Hmm.
375
00:19:04,828 --> 00:19:09,964
He's okay with us knowing some
things but not everything.
376
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STEVE: So, now, what happens to him?
377
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Well, he was discharged from
that commitment in 1883.
378
00:19:17,272 --> 00:19:19,839
I don't know how long he was there in 1883,
379
00:19:19,841 --> 00:19:22,008
but I found him in later census records
380
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working in Buffalo as a shoemaker.
381
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So, was he okay after that?
382
00:19:25,917 --> 00:19:28,416
Well, he apparently wasn't,
383
00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:30,882
because he ended up taking his own life.
384
00:19:31,983 --> 00:19:34,653
He slit his own throat with a razor.
385
00:19:34,655 --> 00:19:36,856
Geez.
386
00:19:38,558 --> 00:19:41,394
Martin kills himself in 1909.
387
00:19:41,396 --> 00:19:44,534
- He was 60 years old at the time.
- Right.
388
00:19:44,536 --> 00:19:46,536
This is interesting... "An effort
is being made to find relatives."
389
00:19:46,538 --> 00:19:47,703
Correct.
390
00:19:47,705 --> 00:19:51,037
His brother's gone. His parents are gone.
391
00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:52,371
He was pretty much alone.
392
00:19:58,311 --> 00:20:03,609
AMY: He, uh, got really hurt, really bad.
393
00:20:05,578 --> 00:20:07,279
He goes, "Then, it all just stopped."
394
00:20:09,783 --> 00:20:13,049
Mmm...
395
00:20:13,051 --> 00:20:14,451
He's like, "I was trying to...
396
00:20:14,453 --> 00:20:16,587
I got to get to the church.
I got to get to the church."
397
00:20:17,622 --> 00:20:22,926
Didn't work out that way.
Mm, they put him in the ground.
398
00:20:22,928 --> 00:20:25,362
They just threw him in the ground.
399
00:20:31,736 --> 00:20:35,474
But he's not angry anymore,
not angry anymore.
400
00:20:35,476 --> 00:20:41,011
Now it's the sad. He's sad.
401
00:20:52,426 --> 00:20:55,263
STEVE: Now that I know a former
owner of Sheila and George's property
402
00:20:55,265 --> 00:20:57,367
was committed to mental institution
403
00:20:57,369 --> 00:20:59,438
and later committed suicide,
404
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,940
I need to see if there's anything else
405
00:21:00,942 --> 00:21:03,142
that could help my case.
406
00:21:04,143 --> 00:21:07,713
Searching through old records,
I come across the Crapo family
407
00:21:07,715 --> 00:21:14,254
and find not one but four deaths
all inside my clients' house.
408
00:21:14,256 --> 00:21:16,559
I'm heading over to meet
with a local genealogist
409
00:21:16,561 --> 00:21:18,259
who says she's got information
410
00:21:18,261 --> 00:21:19,695
that will definitely help my case.
411
00:21:27,008 --> 00:21:30,509
So, in my research,
I came across the Crapo family
412
00:21:30,511 --> 00:21:31,776
that lived on my clients' property.
413
00:21:31,778 --> 00:21:33,879
What do you know about the family itself?
414
00:21:33,881 --> 00:21:36,483
Well, Archie Crapo and his
wife and his four children
415
00:21:36,485 --> 00:21:42,456
moved here from Kansas in 1931
during the Great Depression.
416
00:21:42,458 --> 00:21:44,927
I saw that there was four
deaths inside the house.
417
00:21:44,929 --> 00:21:46,429
What do you know about those?
418
00:21:46,431 --> 00:21:50,599
By this time, Archie had moved
his ailing parents in with them.
419
00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:52,433
The first death was Archie's mother
420
00:21:52,435 --> 00:21:54,635
in January of 1948,
421
00:21:54,637 --> 00:21:56,970
and she died of heart failure.
422
00:21:56,972 --> 00:21:59,107
And this is her death certificate.
423
00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:00,843
She was 88 years old.
424
00:22:00,845 --> 00:22:02,111
Mm-hmm.
425
00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:05,181
Well, less than a month later,
her husband dies.
426
00:22:05,183 --> 00:22:09,054
His official cause of death
was heart failure, as well.
427
00:22:09,056 --> 00:22:10,689
Was he around the same age?
428
00:22:10,691 --> 00:22:11,690
I think he was about 96.
429
00:22:11,692 --> 00:22:13,126
Wow.
430
00:22:13,128 --> 00:22:14,829
So, what was the third death?
431
00:22:14,831 --> 00:22:18,165
The third death happens in 1962...
432
00:22:18,167 --> 00:22:20,033
Archie's wife, Carola.
433
00:22:20,035 --> 00:22:22,368
After a long struggle with lung cancer,
434
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:24,271
she passes away in the house.
435
00:22:26,941 --> 00:22:28,242
She was 67.
436
00:22:30,313 --> 00:22:31,849
But what was the fourth one?
437
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:35,020
Well, Archie sold the house to his son,
Joseph,
438
00:22:35,022 --> 00:22:36,555
and his wife, Joyce, and their two kids.
439
00:22:36,557 --> 00:22:38,057
Okay.
440
00:22:38,059 --> 00:22:41,993
And soon after they moved her mother in,
Margaret Penticoff.
441
00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:46,232
She passes away on February 1, 1975
442
00:22:46,234 --> 00:22:49,300
of congestive heart failure in the house.
443
00:22:49,302 --> 00:22:50,301
This is a photo of her?
444
00:22:50,303 --> 00:22:52,772
This is a photo of her.
445
00:22:52,774 --> 00:22:54,240
I mean, I know it's natural causes,
446
00:22:54,242 --> 00:22:57,074
but, I mean, this house is like bad luck.
447
00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:02,481
What the hell? There's some lady.
448
00:23:02,483 --> 00:23:04,249
And they're flipping the [bleep] out.
449
00:23:07,323 --> 00:23:11,924
Feisty, feisty,
and not happy that we're here,
450
00:23:11,926 --> 00:23:18,563
and she's like spitting at
us and calling us names.
451
00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:21,768
We'd probably maybe hear her yelling
452
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:23,804
or maybe see her quickly.
453
00:23:25,609 --> 00:23:27,410
MATTHEW: Any idea what time
period she might be from?
454
00:23:27,412 --> 00:23:29,246
'70s or '80s.
455
00:23:30,983 --> 00:23:33,250
[Hinges squeak]
456
00:23:33,252 --> 00:23:37,086
The little old lady from outside,
457
00:23:37,088 --> 00:23:39,619
she likes it in here.
458
00:23:41,521 --> 00:23:43,689
She's vomiting.
459
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:46,823
I think she died here.
460
00:23:47,892 --> 00:23:49,225
It was fast.
461
00:23:49,227 --> 00:23:51,226
I don't know if it's her heart.
462
00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:56,930
This is making me too sick.
463
00:24:01,903 --> 00:24:04,973
It's not healthy for the living
464
00:24:04,975 --> 00:24:09,911
to be in that area
465
00:24:09,913 --> 00:24:14,047
because they are... [Grunts]
466
00:24:14,049 --> 00:24:16,984
Absorbing that.
467
00:24:16,986 --> 00:24:19,854
And that's very bad for them.
468
00:24:24,395 --> 00:24:25,862
Look,
I don't know if this is gonna help my case,
469
00:24:25,864 --> 00:24:28,364
but during my research,
one thing really caught my eye...
470
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,366
the murder of a pregnant girl
471
00:24:30,368 --> 00:24:32,336
less than a mile from my client's house.
472
00:24:32,338 --> 00:24:35,170
I'm heading over to meet
with a local police sergeant
473
00:24:35,172 --> 00:24:37,273
who said this is one of
the most brutal murders
474
00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:38,543
in the county's history.
475
00:24:43,781 --> 00:24:45,982
The reason I called you is
I came across that article
476
00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:49,520
about a 7-month-pregnant
female that was murdered
477
00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:52,324
within less than a mile from my clients'
property,
478
00:24:52,326 --> 00:24:54,325
and you were able to look into it for me.
479
00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:56,225
Yeah, that's why I brought you here.
480
00:24:56,227 --> 00:24:58,160
Just a couple hundred
yards up the riverbank is
481
00:24:58,162 --> 00:24:59,494
where the woman's body was found.
482
00:24:59,496 --> 00:25:01,663
Okay, so when did this happen?
483
00:25:01,665 --> 00:25:03,366
It was September 23, 1899.
484
00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:05,469
It was about 8:00 at night.
485
00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:07,671
There was three boys that were
walking along the riverbank,
486
00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,138
and they heard a woman screaming.
487
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:11,975
The three of them went down
to the edge of the riverbank,
488
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:13,843
and they found the woman facedown,
489
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:15,045
partially in the water.
490
00:25:15,047 --> 00:25:19,151
They turned her over and
immediately noticed
491
00:25:19,153 --> 00:25:21,753
that she was bleeding
severely from her neck.
492
00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:24,391
Before the doctor could come, she had died.
493
00:25:25,526 --> 00:25:27,793
Okay, now,
did they ever wind up identifying her?
494
00:25:27,795 --> 00:25:28,762
Yes.
495
00:25:28,764 --> 00:25:30,298
They identified her at the morgue
496
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,204
as 26-year-old Emily Adolphson.
497
00:25:33,206 --> 00:25:34,806
She was a Swedish immigrant.
498
00:25:34,808 --> 00:25:37,710
Her throat had been slit from
her chin to her spinal column,
499
00:25:37,712 --> 00:25:38,445
and she bled to death.
500
00:25:38,447 --> 00:25:39,713
Okay.
501
00:25:39,715 --> 00:25:42,680
And they also determined that
she was 7 months pregnant.
502
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:48,021
So, did they have any idea
who might have done this?
503
00:25:48,023 --> 00:25:50,325
She had a lover named Frank Vennerholm.
504
00:25:50,327 --> 00:25:51,930
Now, did they go after this guy?
505
00:25:51,932 --> 00:25:53,663
They go in the early morning hours,
506
00:25:53,665 --> 00:25:56,034
and they go to his
residence to interview him.
507
00:25:56,036 --> 00:25:59,037
They scour the apartment
508
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,103
just trying to look for some evidence.
509
00:26:01,105 --> 00:26:02,838
They go into the closet,
510
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,775
and they find a pair of pants and a vest
511
00:26:05,777 --> 00:26:07,409
that are covered in mud and blood.
512
00:26:07,411 --> 00:26:10,080
And then, he gets arrested.
513
00:26:10,082 --> 00:26:12,283
So, does it go to trial?
Does he get indicted?
514
00:26:12,285 --> 00:26:14,720
- Yes.
- And so, how'd the trial go?
515
00:26:14,722 --> 00:26:17,423
They find Vennerholm guilty
for the murder of Emily.
516
00:26:17,425 --> 00:26:19,025
Okay.
517
00:26:19,027 --> 00:26:25,134
On July 16, 1901, Vennerholm was
executed in Auburn, New York.
518
00:26:25,136 --> 00:26:27,037
Does this guy ever confess to anything?
519
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:28,438
He never confesses.
520
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,939
- Never?
- Never.
521
00:26:32,076 --> 00:26:33,043
AMY: There's a woman.
522
00:26:33,045 --> 00:26:34,043
She's crying.
523
00:26:34,045 --> 00:26:36,245
There's a river, or, like, a stream.
524
00:26:36,247 --> 00:26:39,246
Something about that and
something about her child.
525
00:26:39,248 --> 00:26:41,980
Usually, she's down like this,
526
00:26:41,982 --> 00:26:43,617
and she's like rocking, you know,
527
00:26:43,619 --> 00:26:45,452
and she's like, "Aah," crying.
528
00:26:45,454 --> 00:26:46,787
But then, she stands up,
529
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:50,256
and she becomes this big different,
530
00:26:50,258 --> 00:26:55,196
totally different kind
of thing, uh, person.
531
00:26:55,198 --> 00:26:58,764
I think that's, like, really,
like, her pain and everything,
532
00:26:58,766 --> 00:26:59,767
like, comes up like that.
533
00:26:59,769 --> 00:27:01,771
And then, she's screaming.
534
00:27:05,073 --> 00:27:09,408
If someone sees this happening,
it's not good for them.
535
00:27:18,384 --> 00:27:21,051
I saw several dead people during my walk,
536
00:27:21,053 --> 00:27:23,887
but the religious man
smothering a female in the house
537
00:27:23,889 --> 00:27:25,955
has me the most concerned.
538
00:27:25,957 --> 00:27:29,892
AMY: There was a female on the bed.
539
00:27:29,894 --> 00:27:35,799
And there was a male there.
540
00:27:35,801 --> 00:27:41,143
He would kind of make himself into a black,
thick mass.
541
00:27:46,049 --> 00:27:47,449
Amy, is this what you saw?
542
00:27:47,451 --> 00:27:49,718
Yes.
543
00:28:09,493 --> 00:28:12,628
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
544
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:15,064
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
545
00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:17,866
and our clients for the first time.
546
00:28:17,868 --> 00:28:19,432
Amy, I'd like you to
meet George and Sheila.
547
00:28:19,434 --> 00:28:21,400
This is their home.
548
00:28:21,402 --> 00:28:22,435
They've owned it about two years.
549
00:28:22,437 --> 00:28:24,704
Now, the activity's really bad here.
550
00:28:24,706 --> 00:28:26,340
They actually live here
551
00:28:26,342 --> 00:28:29,778
with Sheila's son, Nathan, who's 15.
552
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:31,679
This is Evan, who's 18,
553
00:28:31,681 --> 00:28:33,014
who moved out about 10 days ago?
554
00:28:33,016 --> 00:28:34,149
Mm-hmm.
555
00:28:34,151 --> 00:28:35,383
And this is Sara, who's 14,
556
00:28:35,385 --> 00:28:36,884
and she's the main reason we're here.
557
00:28:36,886 --> 00:28:38,685
And she's a sweet kid,
558
00:28:38,687 --> 00:28:41,151
and she's getting physically attacked.
559
00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:42,921
They're desperate for help,
and that's why they called us.
560
00:28:42,923 --> 00:28:45,326
So, now that Amy knows a little
bit about what's going on,
561
00:28:45,328 --> 00:28:46,995
I'm gonna ask her to
tell us about her walk.
562
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,601
AMY: When I first arrived,
563
00:28:53,603 --> 00:28:55,202
I noticed this little old lady there,
564
00:28:55,204 --> 00:28:59,071
and she was yelling at me from the garage.
565
00:28:59,073 --> 00:29:02,176
Later on, in the house,
566
00:29:02,178 --> 00:29:03,742
I encountered her in the kitchen,
567
00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:08,143
and I saw her and felt
her become extremely ill,
568
00:29:08,145 --> 00:29:10,413
like violently ill.
569
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:14,252
She was vomiting, extreme stomach pain.
570
00:29:14,254 --> 00:29:16,921
It's like... I'm like,
"Maybe this is a heart attack."
571
00:29:16,923 --> 00:29:20,787
She projects it out so intensely
572
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:22,789
that the living would absorb this,
573
00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:25,491
and it would physically affect you.
574
00:29:25,493 --> 00:29:32,968
So, I don't think it's good
for you to be in that area.
575
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:36,940
I do think that she died
possibly in the kitchen,
576
00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:41,078
and fairly recently... '70s, '80s.
577
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,748
You know,
the one thing that really struck me odd
578
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:45,449
during the research for your property...
579
00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:47,785
actually, the home itself...
580
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,856
was that four people actually
died right inside the house.
581
00:29:49,858 --> 00:29:51,491
Oh, my.
582
00:29:51,493 --> 00:29:54,394
- Three of them were women.
- Oh.
583
00:29:54,396 --> 00:29:55,796
And all from the same family.
584
00:29:55,798 --> 00:30:00,701
Now, who I think you may be
talking about is this woman.
585
00:30:00,703 --> 00:30:02,135
This is Margaret Penticoff.
586
00:30:02,137 --> 00:30:04,474
She died of congestive heart failure
587
00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:08,311
in 1975 in the home.
588
00:30:08,313 --> 00:30:10,711
Okay. How old was she when she died?
589
00:30:10,713 --> 00:30:12,578
She was pretty young... 62.
590
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:15,515
Yeah, that looks like her.
591
00:30:15,517 --> 00:30:17,251
The lips and the nose.
592
00:30:19,819 --> 00:30:22,522
- It's a little disconcerting.
- Yeah.
593
00:30:22,524 --> 00:30:25,556
Yeah,
that definitely might have put a difference
594
00:30:25,558 --> 00:30:29,192
onto whether or not I would
have bought the house, honestly,
595
00:30:29,194 --> 00:30:31,929
had I known.
596
00:30:31,931 --> 00:30:39,439
The other thing was when
I got to the porch area,
597
00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:43,077
I felt a lot of anger,
598
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:47,484
and this anger is actually
from a living person.
599
00:30:47,486 --> 00:30:52,124
I felt that someone
who's living in the house
600
00:30:52,126 --> 00:30:53,424
is actually very sick.
601
00:30:53,426 --> 00:30:58,864
I felt extreme physical pain,
especially in the back.
602
00:31:01,168 --> 00:31:03,335
Yeah, it was really bad.
603
00:31:03,337 --> 00:31:05,001
That would be me.
604
00:31:06,369 --> 00:31:08,705
[Voice breaking] And pretty
much every single thing
605
00:31:08,707 --> 00:31:10,107
that I go through every day.
606
00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:12,374
[Sniffles]
607
00:31:12,376 --> 00:31:15,743
And I'm angry because I hurt so bad.
608
00:31:15,745 --> 00:31:18,615
It sucks.
609
00:31:24,285 --> 00:31:28,723
And I get anxiety, and I can't breathe.
610
00:31:28,725 --> 00:31:32,130
So, every single thing you
said just nailed it up.
611
00:31:33,735 --> 00:31:36,838
And it's just kind of nice
to know that somebody knows
612
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,473
that I'm making it up.
613
00:31:38,475 --> 00:31:40,140
Mm-hmm.
614
00:31:40,142 --> 00:31:41,741
I can see it upsets you
seeing your wife like that.
615
00:31:41,743 --> 00:31:43,109
It does.
616
00:31:43,111 --> 00:31:46,545
You know,
and I really can't do anything to help her.
617
00:31:46,547 --> 00:31:49,279
Well, I didn't even realize I was angry
618
00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:52,216
until you said it, and I want my life back.
619
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:55,153
I couldn't believe
620
00:31:55,155 --> 00:31:57,523
that people could even get
out of bed in the morning
621
00:31:57,525 --> 00:32:00,862
or do anything because it's so severe.
622
00:32:00,864 --> 00:32:03,133
I was just overwhelmed.
623
00:32:03,135 --> 00:32:07,941
I felt that there were possibly
other people in the house
624
00:32:07,943 --> 00:32:10,878
that might be having health issues, too.
625
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,614
Well, Sara... You've been taking her
626
00:32:12,616 --> 00:32:14,536
to the doctors for how
long for her stomach?
627
00:32:14,561 --> 00:32:15,517
A year and a half.
628
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,755
And they can't find anything wrong.
629
00:32:24,761 --> 00:32:26,462
GEORGE: What else did you get?
630
00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:32,497
So, there's one male that's
causing a lot of problems here.
631
00:32:32,499 --> 00:32:35,465
Right off the bat, it was...
632
00:32:35,467 --> 00:32:37,367
You know, he was telling me, you know,
633
00:32:37,369 --> 00:32:42,371
that he's extremely religious, that you...
634
00:32:42,373 --> 00:32:44,472
the family that's there now...
635
00:32:44,474 --> 00:32:48,608
needs to accept Jesus Christ
into your hearts as your savior.
636
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:51,678
He despises everybody in the house,
637
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,612
and he wants you all out
638
00:32:53,614 --> 00:32:55,916
because he believes you
are not clean or pure,
639
00:32:55,918 --> 00:32:59,782
and he is taking on the role of a ghost.
640
00:32:59,784 --> 00:33:03,955
He was showing himself
becoming massive and dark,
641
00:33:03,957 --> 00:33:05,557
and he was showing me
642
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,428
how he would stomp down the hallway
643
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:11,300
between the rooms and
be in the hall like...
644
00:33:11,302 --> 00:33:12,734
[Stomps]
645
00:33:12,736 --> 00:33:15,437
[Sighs] The footstep stuff
is something they all hear.
646
00:33:15,439 --> 00:33:18,076
Oh, yeah.
647
00:33:18,078 --> 00:33:20,446
Yep, on a daily basis.
648
00:33:21,716 --> 00:33:24,053
Now, you see a shadow figure
649
00:33:24,055 --> 00:33:26,090
- coming up the porch all the time.
- Yeah.
650
00:33:26,092 --> 00:33:28,692
Like somebody's coming up the stairs
651
00:33:28,694 --> 00:33:32,297
and then passing the windows
and going to the door,
652
00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:33,797
but when I go to answer the door,
653
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:35,366
- there's nobody there.
- Mm-hmm.
654
00:33:35,368 --> 00:33:37,502
You got a real interesting story.
655
00:33:37,504 --> 00:33:39,370
GEORGE: It was about 2:30 in the morning.
656
00:33:39,372 --> 00:33:42,504
The shadow was on the porch, and I said,
657
00:33:42,506 --> 00:33:44,439
"I'm gonna do something,"
658
00:33:44,441 --> 00:33:45,540
so I grabbed the flashlight,
659
00:33:45,542 --> 00:33:47,241
I opened the door, and this thing took off.
660
00:33:47,243 --> 00:33:48,943
- And I gave chase.
- Mm-hmm.
661
00:33:48,945 --> 00:33:52,380
And we get to the garage,
and I stopped immediately
662
00:33:52,382 --> 00:33:58,288
because whatever it was just
cleared a path for itself.
663
00:33:58,290 --> 00:34:01,258
The bikes were thrown to
the left and to the right.
664
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:03,394
I didn't know what to do.
665
00:34:03,396 --> 00:34:04,595
STEVE: Now,
does the stuff they're describing
666
00:34:04,597 --> 00:34:06,297
sound like it's him?
667
00:34:06,299 --> 00:34:08,532
I think so because those are all things
668
00:34:08,534 --> 00:34:12,673
that I think he believes would bother you.
669
00:34:12,675 --> 00:34:15,976
But the other thing that he would do is
670
00:34:15,978 --> 00:34:18,982
become physical towards people.
671
00:34:18,984 --> 00:34:21,486
He touched my head.
672
00:34:21,488 --> 00:34:28,464
He also showed me him kind
of trying to smother people.
673
00:34:28,466 --> 00:34:32,135
He likes to get close to certain
people while they're in bed.
674
00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:34,305
He likes to take his fingers
675
00:34:34,307 --> 00:34:36,006
and try to push them down people's throats
676
00:34:36,008 --> 00:34:39,173
to make you choke.
677
00:34:39,175 --> 00:34:43,945
This man kind of has his sights set
678
00:34:43,947 --> 00:34:47,479
on one female in particular
in the household,
679
00:34:47,481 --> 00:34:49,845
and the one thing that I did see
was that she had longer hair.
680
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:54,720
What he would do is, like,
go to the end of the bed
681
00:34:54,722 --> 00:34:56,387
and, like, become this dark,
682
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:57,752
you know, this darkness
683
00:34:57,754 --> 00:34:59,754
and would then show me him,
684
00:34:59,756 --> 00:35:03,324
like, laying on top of this person.
685
00:35:03,326 --> 00:35:06,899
Yeah, that is quite disturbing.
686
00:35:06,901 --> 00:35:10,530
The main reason we're here
is for your daughter, Sara.
687
00:35:10,555 --> 00:35:11,437
Right.
688
00:35:11,439 --> 00:35:14,108
- And she just kind of described her.
- Yeah.
689
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:15,578
But she's also been getting scratched.
690
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:16,912
Okay.
691
00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:19,516
And at one point, it had looked
692
00:35:19,518 --> 00:35:22,488
like somebody had taken her by the wrist
693
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:25,258
and held her wrist tight,
and she was bruised.
694
00:35:26,895 --> 00:35:30,867
I explained the situation to an artist,
and she drew it.
695
00:35:30,869 --> 00:35:32,601
Of what he's doing?
696
00:35:32,603 --> 00:35:33,769
Yes.
697
00:35:37,742 --> 00:35:39,177
Oh, geez.
698
00:35:44,151 --> 00:35:45,083
Wow.
699
00:35:50,086 --> 00:35:53,689
Wow.
700
00:35:53,691 --> 00:35:56,793
Yeah, that's very disturbing.
701
00:35:59,666 --> 00:36:02,135
You can't even protect her from him.
702
00:36:02,137 --> 00:36:04,534
That's the infuriating part.
703
00:36:04,536 --> 00:36:07,135
I can't... That's my job.
704
00:36:07,137 --> 00:36:08,671
I can't do it.
705
00:36:08,673 --> 00:36:13,976
But it at least explains
some things of why maybe
706
00:36:13,978 --> 00:36:15,812
nobody could find out
what's going on with her.
707
00:36:17,081 --> 00:36:18,280
They're not gonna find it.
708
00:36:18,282 --> 00:36:20,115
It's not anything that
any doctors can find.
709
00:36:20,117 --> 00:36:23,155
Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly.
710
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:30,062
Do you have any idea who this
guy might have been in life?
711
00:36:30,064 --> 00:36:31,966
Well, the first thing is, obviously,
712
00:36:32,167 --> 00:36:36,106
he was extremely religious.
713
00:36:36,108 --> 00:36:37,775
I know that at some point he
was living with his mother,
714
00:36:37,777 --> 00:36:43,412
also that he was, at some point, detained.
715
00:36:43,414 --> 00:36:45,281
When I first met him,
716
00:36:45,283 --> 00:36:49,819
he was kind of giving me
the details about his death.
717
00:36:49,821 --> 00:36:53,325
And there was extreme head and chest pain,
718
00:36:53,327 --> 00:36:56,995
and then everything just stopped for him.
719
00:36:56,997 --> 00:37:01,765
He was, I mean, severely injured and hurt.
720
00:37:01,767 --> 00:37:03,833
Well, a lot of who you're describing
721
00:37:03,835 --> 00:37:05,134
reminds me of a guy
722
00:37:05,136 --> 00:37:07,169
that actually lived on
your property at one time.
723
00:37:07,171 --> 00:37:09,204
Now, a guy named Martin Southland
724
00:37:09,206 --> 00:37:12,442
moved onto your property
with this parents in 1869.
725
00:37:12,444 --> 00:37:14,142
You said the guy was detained.
726
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:15,911
Well, he was institutionalized three times.
727
00:37:15,913 --> 00:37:16,979
Oh.
728
00:37:16,981 --> 00:37:21,282
1871, 1878, and then again in 1883.
729
00:37:21,284 --> 00:37:23,318
And you said the guy was a religious freak,
right?
730
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,086
- Uh, yes.
- Okay.
731
00:37:26,088 --> 00:37:28,556
So, the article I came across for him...
732
00:37:28,558 --> 00:37:30,725
According to this, he's "mentally disturbed
733
00:37:30,727 --> 00:37:32,261
by religious excitement."
734
00:37:33,397 --> 00:37:36,001
And the other thing you said...
He was a painful death?
735
00:37:36,003 --> 00:37:37,636
Mm-hmm.
736
00:37:37,638 --> 00:37:39,839
He didn't do it on the property,
but he was living in Buffalo.
737
00:37:39,841 --> 00:37:41,875
At the age of 60, he committed suicide,
738
00:37:41,877 --> 00:37:42,878
and he cut his throat.
739
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,014
Oh.
740
00:37:44,016 --> 00:37:46,051
Makes sense, it does.
741
00:37:52,825 --> 00:37:54,125
Okay, you've got a lot going on.
742
00:37:54,127 --> 00:37:55,927
I mean, did you encounter anything else?
743
00:37:55,929 --> 00:37:57,362
Yes, I did.
744
00:37:57,364 --> 00:37:59,231
Geez.
745
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:04,708
The upstairs is a very, very bad area.
746
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:06,276
Okay.
747
00:38:06,278 --> 00:38:08,944
I figured out that there was someone
748
00:38:08,946 --> 00:38:11,247
or something there that could jump you.
749
00:38:11,249 --> 00:38:15,416
So, this means that they can
enter your body and take over.
750
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:20,752
So, initially, I was assuming
that it was the religious male,
751
00:38:20,754 --> 00:38:25,022
but later,
I figured out that it's actually a female.
752
00:38:25,024 --> 00:38:28,022
She's really good.
753
00:38:28,024 --> 00:38:29,690
Like, she can hide.
754
00:38:29,692 --> 00:38:33,794
That scares me.
755
00:38:33,796 --> 00:38:37,165
I think that she is very dangerous,
756
00:38:37,167 --> 00:38:41,369
and I think she has an
extreme effect on the living.
757
00:38:41,371 --> 00:38:44,039
One of things that she's doing
to draw out her energy needs
758
00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:46,675
is to actually tap into
the electrical impulses
759
00:38:46,677 --> 00:38:51,213
of the human brain and feed off of that,
as well.
760
00:38:51,215 --> 00:38:56,487
And this could possibly cause
brain damage in the long term.
761
00:38:56,489 --> 00:39:00,793
We feel lost. I don't know what to do.
762
00:39:00,795 --> 00:39:02,794
There's no words that can even describe
763
00:39:02,796 --> 00:39:03,829
how I feel about it.
764
00:39:03,831 --> 00:39:06,231
Totally helpless.
765
00:39:23,566 --> 00:39:24,700
Well, all I can say is
766
00:39:24,702 --> 00:39:26,203
I'm glad you guys called us when you did
767
00:39:26,205 --> 00:39:29,208
because, obviously,
you've got a serious problem in your house.
768
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:31,408
The big question is do you stay and fight,
769
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:33,776
or do you pack up your bags
770
00:39:33,778 --> 00:39:36,611
and take Nathan and Sara, especially,
771
00:39:36,613 --> 00:39:38,812
and move the hell out of here?
772
00:39:38,814 --> 00:39:41,712
For the answer to that question,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
773
00:39:43,313 --> 00:39:46,380
I have some good news and some bad news.
774
00:39:46,382 --> 00:39:52,385
Unfortunately,
there's nothing that can really be done
775
00:39:52,387 --> 00:39:54,888
in the case of the elderly woman.
776
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:57,861
If someone was to approach her
777
00:39:57,863 --> 00:40:02,166
and try to tell her that she's deceased,
778
00:40:02,168 --> 00:40:05,835
it would make matters worse.
779
00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:08,337
As far as the religious man,
780
00:40:08,339 --> 00:40:11,877
I think the best thing
to do is to reach out
781
00:40:11,879 --> 00:40:16,818
to an Evangelical or Pentecostal church.
782
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:19,587
And you need to find a holy person,
783
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:23,927
and this person needs to deliver
a sermon a perform a blessing.
784
00:40:23,929 --> 00:40:27,063
And then, once that's done,
he'll move right on.
785
00:40:29,501 --> 00:40:32,000
So, what do they do about
this woman that jumps people?
786
00:40:32,002 --> 00:40:33,233
There needs to be three sensitives.
787
00:40:33,235 --> 00:40:37,402
It needs to be two females and one male.
788
00:40:37,404 --> 00:40:39,168
One of them has to be a physical medium.
789
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:40,969
The other two, I want to be different,
790
00:40:40,971 --> 00:40:45,810
whatever,
like a psychic knower or a psychic empath.
791
00:40:45,812 --> 00:40:48,445
And what they need to do is
actually have s?ance upstairs.
792
00:40:51,317 --> 00:40:54,085
That's how they're going
to basically trap her...
793
00:40:54,087 --> 00:40:56,355
amongst the three of them.
794
00:40:56,357 --> 00:41:00,026
And then,
each one is going to do what they do
795
00:41:00,028 --> 00:41:02,396
to move a deceased person on.
796
00:41:02,398 --> 00:41:06,234
And then, once that's completed,
she'll be gone.
797
00:41:06,236 --> 00:41:09,671
In the meantime,
798
00:41:09,673 --> 00:41:15,341
because your daughter is so sensitive,
799
00:41:15,343 --> 00:41:18,645
I do think that she
should not be in the house
800
00:41:18,647 --> 00:41:19,746
until this is completed.
801
00:41:22,046 --> 00:41:23,545
And things could get a lot more intense.
802
00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:24,981
[Sighs]
803
00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:27,550
Now, the question is will
there be a change in Sara
804
00:41:27,552 --> 00:41:28,518
when all this is done?
805
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,754
I mean, she should be fine.
806
00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:33,623
I'm glad to hear that.
807
00:41:33,625 --> 00:41:35,424
And, you know, I don't even have to ask you
808
00:41:35,426 --> 00:41:36,891
if you're gonna take Amy's advice.
809
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:38,291
- Oh, yeah.
- GEORGE: Oh, yes.
810
00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:39,890
Without question.
811
00:41:39,892 --> 00:41:42,234
No, I just really want to
get started with these tasks
812
00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:43,999
that we have that Amy has given us
813
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:45,668
so that we can help Sara,
814
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:46,870
help the family, and get our house back.
815
00:41:46,872 --> 00:41:49,241
It's like taking that big sigh
816
00:41:49,341 --> 00:41:51,207
that you've wanted to take forever.
817
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:55,509
AMY: I really hope Sheila
and George follow my advice
818
00:41:55,511 --> 00:41:56,843
and deal with the dangerous entities
819
00:41:56,845 --> 00:41:58,544
terrorizing their family.
820
00:41:58,546 --> 00:42:01,547
With the help of priest and mediums,
821
00:42:01,549 --> 00:42:03,416
they should be able to
free their home of evil
822
00:42:03,418 --> 00:42:05,085
and lead a peaceful life.
823
00:42:05,135 --> 00:42:09,685
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