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AMY:
I wouldn't want to mess with this woman.
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She's very powerful.
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The last owner killed all
three of her husbands.
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It hurts so much.
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I thought I was going to die.
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It absolutely terrified me.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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In the name of Jesus, you go.
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Vicious.
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They're burning them alive.
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my god.
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This is going to kill us.
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STEVE: This is the first time
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Amy and I are doing an
investigation overseas together.
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We're in Jamaica,
a Caribbean Island just south of Cuba.
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Now, the reason we're here is
I got a call from a young expat
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who took over the family business.
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It's a historic plantation
house in Montego Bay.
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He says the activity is out of control.
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His employees are scared,
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guests are running out
of the place screaming,
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and now even his kids are affected.
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He says if we can't help him,
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he's gonna pack his things and leave.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area of any leading information.
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Photographs and artwork
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: There's this man.
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He was treated like a dog. He had a chain.
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Lots of, uh, blood.
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They were setting people on fire.
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They're burning them alive.
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You know, pretty [Bleep] brutal [Bleep]
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STEVE: Well, Michael,
this is an incredible building
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with spectacular views.
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But I assume you guys don't live here
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because it looks like it's set up as,
like a museum.
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You're exactly right. It's a museum.
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But it, first,
it was a sugarcane plantation.
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Okay.
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And eventually,
my father bought this place in the mid-'60s
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and then started restoring
this Rose Hall Great House.
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What kind of shape was the place
in when your father took over?
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Well, when my father took over,
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nobody had lived here for,
I believe, over 60 years.
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You'd never know it was the same building.
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How long have you been running this place?
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For close to three years now.
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Before that, I was in banking.
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And I worked in finance,
actually, in New York City.
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It had been a 50-year, you know,
passion project for my father.
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And it was very important
for me to uphold that legacy.
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Now, Michael, what kind of things
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are we talking about that
people are experiencing?
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It really runs the gamut from seeing things
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to hearing things
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to actually feeling as
if they've been touched
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to, in the worst case,
feeling as if they've been pushed.
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But for me, you know, the final straw
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was my daughter had had an experience.
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She was very scared
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and had a hard time being
around here after that.
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What about yourself, any experiences?
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Yes.
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When I would go up the staircase
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and start going the rounds to the bedrooms,
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I felt as if there was a presence there,
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that somebody was on my back.
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But really, the reason why I called you
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was I was really worried about the guests,
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the employees who are
here on a regular basis,
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and I'm worried about my kids.
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Now, has the activity always been bad?
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Activity didn't pick up till we
started doing the night tour.
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When did the night tour start?
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The night tour started about two years ago.
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Okay, so, now,
what kind of tours are we talking about?
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It's for the most part historical.
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Okay, so these people
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- aren't coming in here ghost hunting?
- No.
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Okay, so, what kind of history
are you covering on this tour?
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The last mistress of the
house was Annie Palmer,
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who supposedly had, within 12 years,
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killed three husbands and countless slaves
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and was finally murdered at the house.
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And she's actually buried
over on the property,
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right over there.
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There's this woman.
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And she's very well-groomed.
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She's so, like, an authority,
like a powerful person.
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She's very in control.
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I would want to mess with this woman.
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Something is going on
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that is making her very
stressed out and angry.
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She definitely is present here.
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So, Mrs. Rollins,
it's good to meet with you.
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Likewise.
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So, I was talking to your son.
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And it sounds like you
got some problems here.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay, so, I'm curious.
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What actually drew you guys to this place?
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Well, my husband came for a vacation,
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and what really impressed
him the most were the people.
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There's just a joie de vivre,
a laughter, a joy about them.
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But when Michael came
and brought his family,
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I began to think, you know,
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"Maybe we should relook at this."
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Well, your 8-year-old granddaughter
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seems to have had an experience.
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Yes. I was shocked.
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Now, what about yourself?
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Well, you can be here at night
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and have the hackles raise
on the back of your neck.
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And, I mean, I was on a tour.
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There were clanging of chains.
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There were things that were going on
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that absolutely terrified me.
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Okay, so, now, after that happened,
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did employees come to you with stories?
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Oh, they certainly did. They said, you know,
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"The shutters banged,
but they were secured,"
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or, "floor creaking, floorboards,"
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all kinds of noises, all kinds of things.
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And I would not have
thought I was open to it,
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but I'm starting to pay
a little more attention.
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AMY: There was a man here.
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I think he went crazy.
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This guy causes issues with,
like, living people,
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you know, has, like, tantrums.
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He'll, like,
run into the wall and the door on purpose.
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I'd say this man is the
cause of hundreds of deaths.
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And it goes back in his family,
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like he comes from a line of monsters.
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Vicious.
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Very vicious man.
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Very vicious.
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So, Katherine, I was talking to Daddy,
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and he told me that you had
an experience that scared you.
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Yeah.
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Is that right?
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Mm-hmm.
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Can you tell me what happened?
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Well, we were doing the party
for the opening of the play
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that we talk about what happened
when Annie Palmer was alive.
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Okay.
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And I saw somebody up in
the top of the window.
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And she had red lipstick with
black markings over her eyes.
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It couldn't have been somebody
that was in the building?
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Mnh-mnh.
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Just some people at the front bottom.
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Okay, but not up here.
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Yeah. Not on the top floor.
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Now, are you afraid of the building?
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Yeah.
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I'm never alone when I'm in here.
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AMY: There's another lady.
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She went nuts.
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She went crazy.
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She is seen... a lot.
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And people, male, female,
kids, will see her around.
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Like,
it's always like she's moving along the wall.
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She's always, like, slithering.
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She's kind of spooking me out a little bit.
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STEVE:
After meeting with Michael and his family,
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I started talking to the
employees of Rose Hall.
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It shook.
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And Mrs. Rollins wasn't kidding.
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Everyone had experiences to share.
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My back was to the door.
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And the door slammed.
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One that really caught my attention
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came from a housekeeper named Becken.
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A few weeks ago,
right down there, the dungeon,
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I go to turn off that light over there.
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And then I feel like somebody
holding me around the waist.
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I say, "In the name of Jesus, you go."
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Now, Becken,
you're sure it couldn't have been
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one of the other employees
playing games with you
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and grabbing you and then running away?
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No, nobody was around.
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So,
do you think whatever's here is dangerous?
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Yeah.
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AMY: Crazy Lady makes her whole being felt.
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She doesn't just touch them.
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She wants to engulf them...
and make them feel her.
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She makes you very, very nauseous.
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It hurts so much.
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How long have you worked here?
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I've been here for almost three years.
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Have you ever had actual experiences?
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I have many experiences.
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- You have?
- Yes.
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Okay, tell me about them.
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We have a lady that plays Annie.
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So she stands in Annie Palmer's room,
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at her window, looking out at the guests.
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There was another lady beside her
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in a nice silhouette, white dress.
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But there was no face.
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Okay.
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Now, is she solid like the actor,
or was she, like, misty?
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Yeah, she's misty.
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She's ghost-like. Yeah.
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Okay.
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She mimics everything that our Annie does.
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You mean, like, her movements?
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Yes.
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So, what else have you seen?
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I saw a gentleman.
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- He was black.
- Okay.
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And he had some wounds on his skin.
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What kind of wounds are we talking about,
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like a burn, a stabbing?
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Like, a whip wound. Yes.
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Okay, so you're assuming that
he was a slave at some point.
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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Oh, he followed me downstairs.
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And I saw six slaves.
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I saw one coming from out the dining room,
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one from out the morning room,
one from outside,
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one from the ballroom.
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So they were all coming towards me,
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and I couldn't move.
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The only thing,
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the one that came downstairs with me,
he held my hand.
261
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Okay.
262
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He held on my hands.
263
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And he said, "Come with me."
264
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Now, I've been doing this a long time.
265
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I've heard a lot of stories.
266
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But this slave story you're
telling me is pretty out there.
267
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I know when it's real from when it's not.
268
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Did you take it as something dangerous,
269
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or did you take it as...
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I thought I was going to die.
271
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AMY: A lot of the dead here, they're pissed.
272
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The things that these dead
people do to the living
273
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could be kind of justifiable
274
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because I think a lot of these people
275
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might have been tortured and kidnapped.
276
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This was done by the people from here.
277
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The dead... may have these guardians.
278
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What are the guardians?
279
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I don't know. They're these big things.
280
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I mean, I'd say they're 10, 12 feet tall.
281
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They have long legs.
282
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They're on all fours.
283
00:13:49,106 --> 00:13:51,274
Honestly, I've never seen anything like that.
Ever, ever, ever.
284
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How many are there?
285
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There's about six or seven of them.
286
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It's like a [Bleep] wall of defense.
287
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But they said something like,
288
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"Stand back," or, "Don't come near here."
289
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They're guarding the dead.
290
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I think that people would have experiences
291
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with them over the years.
292
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They're very powerful and dangerous.
293
00:14:17,895 --> 00:14:22,897
Do you know if this might affect
people that just work here?
294
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It would just destroy them.
295
00:14:40,434 --> 00:14:43,424
Michael, his mom,
and everyone that works at Rose Hall
296
00:14:43,527 --> 00:14:45,665
has really bought into
this Annie Palmer legend.
297
00:14:45,669 --> 00:14:47,568
You know? It's an incredible story.
298
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So I reached out to an author
299
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who has written about the property.
300
00:14:50,143 --> 00:14:51,978
He's out on the island doing research
301
00:14:51,982 --> 00:14:55,082
and agreed to meet me and
separate fact from fiction.
302
00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,003
So, Ben, the reason I asked
you to help me out on this case
303
00:15:05,008 --> 00:15:07,307
is I know you're an expert on this stuff.
304
00:15:07,311 --> 00:15:09,211
And I got told this story by my client
305
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that I don't know if
there's any truth to it.
306
00:15:11,118 --> 00:15:15,016
Said there was a woman named
Annie Palmer who lived here.
307
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She killed three of her husbands,
308
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as well as countless slaves.
309
00:15:18,227 --> 00:15:21,595
And to top it off,
they say she's buried right here.
310
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Is any of it true?
311
00:15:23,536 --> 00:15:24,635
Almost none of that's true.
312
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Really?
313
00:15:26,306 --> 00:15:28,106
Essentially,
the Annie Palmer that people talk about,
314
00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:30,111
the one that's supposedly
buried here and that lived here,
315
00:15:30,114 --> 00:15:31,780
it was a composite of two different women
316
00:15:31,784 --> 00:15:34,351
who lived almost a century apart.
317
00:15:34,355 --> 00:15:35,820
Okay, so, who's the first woman?
318
00:15:35,823 --> 00:15:38,291
Well, the very first one was
a woman named Rosa Kelly.
319
00:15:38,296 --> 00:15:41,033
The most interesting thing is
that she had four husbands,
320
00:15:41,037 --> 00:15:42,536
and three of them died
here on this property.
321
00:15:42,539 --> 00:15:45,240
She was on her fourth husband when she died.
322
00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:47,148
Okay,
so what happened to the previous husbands?
323
00:15:47,151 --> 00:15:49,349
The very first one is named Henry Fanning.
324
00:15:49,353 --> 00:15:51,484
He was married to her in 1746,
325
00:15:51,488 --> 00:15:53,655
and he died within six months.
326
00:15:53,659 --> 00:15:55,794
Okay. Do we know how he died?
327
00:15:55,798 --> 00:15:57,897
He died young. We don't know exactly how.
328
00:15:57,901 --> 00:16:00,095
You know, this is the tropics.
This is, you know, the 1700s.
329
00:16:00,099 --> 00:16:03,101
People drop dead of malaria,
all sorts of different things.
330
00:16:03,106 --> 00:16:04,505
Okay, so,
people dying young wasn't uncommon.
331
00:16:04,508 --> 00:16:06,507
Exactly. Exactly.
332
00:16:06,511 --> 00:16:08,212
What about the second husband? Who was he?
333
00:16:08,215 --> 00:16:10,150
A man named George Ash.
334
00:16:10,154 --> 00:16:11,854
And how long does that marriage last?
335
00:16:11,857 --> 00:16:15,156
That marriage lasted two years,
until he himself dies.
336
00:16:15,161 --> 00:16:16,627
Now, what about the third husband?
337
00:16:16,631 --> 00:16:18,197
The third husband was named Norwood Witter,
338
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,069
and he died 12 years after they married.
339
00:16:21,073 --> 00:16:23,072
Now, how do we know she
didn't murder these people?
340
00:16:23,076 --> 00:16:24,643
Well, there's no record that she did.
341
00:16:24,647 --> 00:16:25,948
All right.
342
00:16:25,951 --> 00:16:27,886
So in-between her husbands,
who's running the plantation?
343
00:16:27,889 --> 00:16:29,054
She was.
344
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This is the 1700s.
345
00:16:31,496 --> 00:16:32,631
I mean, this had to be some woman
346
00:16:32,634 --> 00:16:34,199
to take care of a plantation this big.
347
00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:35,267
Mm-hmm.
348
00:16:35,270 --> 00:16:36,804
You can see how some of the stories
349
00:16:36,807 --> 00:16:38,909
might have come about her
being very strong-willed,
350
00:16:38,913 --> 00:16:41,280
you know, and an important person.
351
00:16:41,284 --> 00:16:43,382
Is it possible she's buried here, Rosa?
352
00:16:43,386 --> 00:16:44,886
No. That's not possible.
353
00:16:44,890 --> 00:16:45,990
Why is that?
354
00:16:45,993 --> 00:16:47,463
Because we know where she was buried.
355
00:16:47,466 --> 00:16:48,566
We have record.
356
00:16:48,569 --> 00:16:50,402
She's buried in St. James' Parish,
357
00:16:50,405 --> 00:16:52,037
which isn't too far from here.
358
00:16:52,041 --> 00:16:54,408
Okay,
so the records show that she died in 1790.
359
00:16:54,412 --> 00:16:55,777
How old was she by then?
360
00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:57,245
72.
361
00:16:57,248 --> 00:16:58,581
So this is not her?
362
00:16:58,585 --> 00:17:00,288
There may be somebody buried here,
but it ain't her.
363
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,193
AMY: This lady is way back.
364
00:17:08,199 --> 00:17:15,366
I want to go back to, like...
just like, 1700s?
365
00:17:15,375 --> 00:17:17,941
I'm seeing the powerful, angry woman again.
366
00:17:17,945 --> 00:17:20,716
And this time,
she's telling me about her life.
367
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,854
She's very wealthy,
368
00:17:22,858 --> 00:17:26,458
and she's very in control
and very powerful person,
369
00:17:26,463 --> 00:17:29,833
which is weird because she's a female
370
00:17:29,838 --> 00:17:32,270
and this is a long time ago.
371
00:17:32,275 --> 00:17:39,614
But, like,
I feel like she owns like everything.
372
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,029
She's had her share of enemies,
let me tell you,
373
00:17:47,036 --> 00:17:50,037
who have tried to kill her.
374
00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:52,942
So, you said the legend of this Annie Palmer
375
00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:54,179
is a combination of two women.
376
00:17:54,182 --> 00:17:55,948
All right, so, we got the first woman.
377
00:17:55,951 --> 00:17:57,283
What about the second one?
378
00:17:57,287 --> 00:17:59,520
The second one was actually
named Annie Palmer.
379
00:17:59,524 --> 00:18:01,389
Okay, so there was an Annie Palmer.
380
00:18:01,392 --> 00:18:03,026
There was an Annie Palmer,
381
00:18:03,030 --> 00:18:04,262
but there's nothing,
382
00:18:04,265 --> 00:18:06,331
No part of that biography fits her.
383
00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,368
The only connection is to her name.
384
00:18:08,371 --> 00:18:10,704
So anything that the legend
says has nothing to do
385
00:18:10,709 --> 00:18:12,109
with the real Annie Palmer.
386
00:18:12,112 --> 00:18:13,113
Essentially, yeah.
387
00:18:13,116 --> 00:18:14,982
All right, so, what do we know about her?
388
00:18:14,985 --> 00:18:18,790
Okay, so this is an image of Annie Palmer.
389
00:18:18,796 --> 00:18:20,799
Now, this is her or we think it's her?
390
00:18:20,802 --> 00:18:22,167
It's said to be of her.
391
00:18:22,171 --> 00:18:23,170
We don't know.
392
00:18:23,173 --> 00:18:24,539
It's a painting from that time.
393
00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:25,809
We know that she was originally English.
394
00:18:25,812 --> 00:18:27,211
She moved here in 1820.
395
00:18:27,214 --> 00:18:31,112
We know that her parents died
when she was fairly young.
396
00:18:31,118 --> 00:18:33,719
Beyond that, she seems to have had
397
00:18:33,723 --> 00:18:36,360
a relatively uneventful upbringing.
398
00:18:36,364 --> 00:18:37,496
Okay, so, what happens with her?
399
00:18:37,499 --> 00:18:39,198
Her husband died in 1827.
400
00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:41,969
Three years later,
she lost the title to the property.
401
00:18:41,973 --> 00:18:44,337
That was basically a year
before the slave rebellion.
402
00:18:44,341 --> 00:18:45,875
After she lost the plantation,
403
00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:47,381
she moved to another part of the island,
404
00:18:47,384 --> 00:18:49,650
and she died in 1846.
405
00:18:49,654 --> 00:18:51,687
- And how old was she?
- 34.
406
00:18:51,691 --> 00:18:52,991
- Okay. Was she murdered?
- No.
407
00:18:52,994 --> 00:18:55,130
As far as we know, natural causes.
408
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,566
Is it possible she's in here?
409
00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:57,834
No, that's not possible.
410
00:18:57,837 --> 00:18:59,269
And how do we know that?
411
00:18:59,273 --> 00:19:00,773
Because we know where she was buried.
412
00:19:00,776 --> 00:19:01,776
We have record of that.
413
00:19:01,779 --> 00:19:02,912
Okay.
414
00:19:02,915 --> 00:19:05,280
So, she's in the same place...
415
00:19:05,284 --> 00:19:06,785
Yup... as Rosa.
416
00:19:06,788 --> 00:19:09,023
Yup. They're both in the same cemetery.
417
00:19:11,097 --> 00:19:12,864
Essentially, none of the stories
418
00:19:12,868 --> 00:19:14,868
of cruelty and sadism and black magic,
419
00:19:14,871 --> 00:19:17,237
all the bad things that
people talk about her,
420
00:19:17,241 --> 00:19:19,375
had no relation to the real Annie Palmer.
421
00:19:19,379 --> 00:19:21,212
Okay.
422
00:19:21,216 --> 00:19:23,016
AMY: This crazy lady.
423
00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:24,688
She's pretty important.
424
00:19:24,691 --> 00:19:26,292
It's like she's 1860s.
425
00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:31,797
She had a lot of losses,
starting really early.
426
00:19:31,804 --> 00:19:38,639
This woman,
she went crazy because he father died.
427
00:19:38,647 --> 00:19:41,148
Very attached, very attached to her father.
428
00:19:41,153 --> 00:19:42,350
Very attached.
429
00:19:42,353 --> 00:19:46,222
[Laughter]
430
00:19:46,227 --> 00:19:50,632
She seems... very not stable right now.
431
00:19:52,374 --> 00:19:55,345
Lots of darkness.
432
00:19:55,349 --> 00:19:57,720
A lot of darkness here.
433
00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:16,664
Ben mentioned a bloody slave
rebellion in Montego Bay.
434
00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:19,267
I'm heading over to meet
with a local professor
435
00:20:19,271 --> 00:20:20,804
who says the fighting came really close
436
00:20:20,808 --> 00:20:22,274
to the property I'm investigating.
437
00:20:29,892 --> 00:20:32,543
So, Nicole, you told me on the phone
438
00:20:32,547 --> 00:20:35,865
that the slave rebellion
was the most important
439
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:39,571
and violent event that took
place in Jamaican history.
440
00:20:39,576 --> 00:20:42,778
It was certainly one of the most important.
441
00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:49,754
On December 27, 1831,
this emancipation war started.
442
00:20:49,762 --> 00:20:53,197
This emancipation war would see
443
00:20:53,202 --> 00:20:57,855
60,000 enslaved Africans take arms
444
00:20:57,862 --> 00:21:00,145
against the colonial overlords,
445
00:21:00,149 --> 00:21:02,783
namely the white plantation masters.
446
00:21:02,787 --> 00:21:05,037
Okay, so what kind of a
battle are we talking about?
447
00:21:05,041 --> 00:21:06,157
What would we have seen?
448
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,394
This was a guerrilla fight.
449
00:21:08,398 --> 00:21:09,597
Okay.
450
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,267
But it was also armed combat.
451
00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,005
Occasionally, the fields were put on fire.
452
00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:16,460
So, Nicole, let me ask you a question,
453
00:21:16,463 --> 00:21:18,046
as far as the property I'm investigating.
454
00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:22,184
How close did this whole uprising get to it?
455
00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:26,159
Palmyra Plantation,
which was about two miles away, was burnt.
456
00:21:26,165 --> 00:21:30,000
So it was probably likely
that the enslaved Africans,
457
00:21:30,005 --> 00:21:31,705
as well as the white management,
458
00:21:31,709 --> 00:21:33,041
if they couldn't see it,
459
00:21:33,044 --> 00:21:35,278
they could at least smell what was going on.
460
00:21:35,282 --> 00:21:37,182
So, how long does this rebellion last?
461
00:21:37,185 --> 00:21:39,018
It was actually 10 days.
462
00:21:39,022 --> 00:21:41,890
I'm sure a lot of people
got killed on both sides.
463
00:21:41,895 --> 00:21:43,928
Not quite.
464
00:21:43,931 --> 00:21:46,598
You see, over 500 people we killed,
465
00:21:46,603 --> 00:21:50,338
and 14 of these individuals were white.
466
00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:52,343
Okay, so what did the plantation owners do
467
00:21:52,347 --> 00:21:54,014
after they stopped the rebellion?
468
00:21:54,017 --> 00:21:57,385
This was actually one of the
most heart-rending part of it.
469
00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,592
You see, innocent persons of color
470
00:22:01,598 --> 00:22:03,731
could easily be rounded up.
471
00:22:03,735 --> 00:22:07,637
312 were judicially executed.
472
00:22:07,642 --> 00:22:11,411
Several enslaved Africans
were shot on the spot.
473
00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,750
In fact, they executed so many people
474
00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,154
that the bodies would pile up.
475
00:22:15,157 --> 00:22:17,574
Eventually, slavery was abolished.
476
00:22:17,578 --> 00:22:19,595
When did that happen here?
477
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,466
The emancipation bill was passed.
478
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:26,505
By August 1, 1834, slavery ended.
479
00:22:31,688 --> 00:22:34,723
AMY:
I'm seeing a lot of different things here.
480
00:22:34,727 --> 00:22:39,096
Like, first I'm feeling, like,
all of this panic and distress.
481
00:22:39,102 --> 00:22:42,803
Someone's bleeding, bleeding, cut, stabbed.
482
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,778
It feels more like a stab, right here.
483
00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:48,149
Right here.
484
00:22:48,152 --> 00:22:51,987
This is a male, young male.
485
00:22:51,993 --> 00:22:53,993
Tongue ripped out.
486
00:22:53,996 --> 00:22:57,197
There's a lot of [Bleep] horrible things
487
00:22:57,202 --> 00:22:58,769
being done to people.
488
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,400
STEVE: Now that I know the
truth about Annie Palmer
489
00:23:06,403 --> 00:23:07,619
and the bloody slave rebellion,
490
00:23:07,622 --> 00:23:09,221
I need to see if there's anything else
491
00:23:09,225 --> 00:23:11,192
that could help my case.
492
00:23:11,196 --> 00:23:12,812
So I'm at the local library.
493
00:23:15,888 --> 00:23:18,972
Searching for old records,
I find a deadly rampage
494
00:23:18,976 --> 00:23:21,477
involving a man named Rudolph Franklin.
495
00:23:21,482 --> 00:23:24,283
It turns out,
he lived on Rose Hall property.
496
00:23:24,287 --> 00:23:28,155
I'm heading over to meet a
local Rastafarian activist
497
00:23:28,161 --> 00:23:30,128
who knows all about this deadly shoot-out.
498
00:23:30,131 --> 00:23:33,716
He told me the information he's
got will be critical to my case.
499
00:23:40,217 --> 00:23:42,317
Mr. Ras Karbi, I appreciate you meeting me.
500
00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:45,288
Saw an article during my research
501
00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:48,261
about a shoot-out between
Rastafarians and police
502
00:23:48,265 --> 00:23:49,664
that was pretty deadly.
503
00:23:49,668 --> 00:23:51,285
When I looked at the research,
504
00:23:51,288 --> 00:23:53,071
everything came back to Rose Hall
505
00:23:53,075 --> 00:23:54,975
and the property I'm investigating.
506
00:23:54,978 --> 00:23:57,445
So I wanted to find out from you,
507
00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:58,916
if you knew exactly what happened.
508
00:23:58,919 --> 00:24:02,854
What actually took place was this guy,
Rudolph Franklin,
509
00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,976
who used to live on the Rose Hall property
510
00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:06,463
and he was a worker there.
511
00:24:06,467 --> 00:24:08,050
And he's gotten some land
512
00:24:08,053 --> 00:24:10,603
that he claimed that his father's given him.
513
00:24:10,607 --> 00:24:13,758
So there was a dispute because
they want him off the land.
514
00:24:13,763 --> 00:24:15,647
Right, Rastas weren't welcome.
515
00:24:15,651 --> 00:24:17,067
Now, did he have any paperwork
516
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:18,853
documenting that he owned that property?
517
00:24:18,857 --> 00:24:20,423
Most Jamaicans didn't have paperwork
518
00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:21,959
that they owned any property.
519
00:24:21,962 --> 00:24:24,329
So, now, what happens in 1961,
when the cops do eventually...?
520
00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:26,550
In 1961, a dispute developed.
521
00:24:26,554 --> 00:24:28,854
Rudolph Franklin had his machete, okay?
522
00:24:28,858 --> 00:24:30,308
He was on his property.
523
00:24:30,312 --> 00:24:32,545
And they told him to drop his machete.
524
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:36,484
He perhaps refused to drop the machete,
so he was shot.
525
00:24:36,489 --> 00:24:38,556
And they left him to die in the grass.
526
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,894
So, he survived the shooting.
527
00:24:40,898 --> 00:24:44,299
He decided to come back
with a personal grudge
528
00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:45,971
or a personal revenge.
529
00:24:45,975 --> 00:24:48,575
So he got some friends together.
530
00:24:48,579 --> 00:24:49,612
So, they went to the gas station.
531
00:24:49,615 --> 00:24:51,548
Gas station's set on fire. Cops came.
532
00:24:51,551 --> 00:24:54,418
And there was a big clash
533
00:24:54,423 --> 00:24:58,525
between Franklin and his
men and the policemen.
534
00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:01,299
You know, what was the outcome
of this whole, big mess?
535
00:25:01,303 --> 00:25:05,372
By the time it was over,
eight people got killed.
536
00:25:05,378 --> 00:25:08,545
One was... Franklin himself got killed.
537
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:13,020
Two friends that he brought there,
two policemen got shot.
538
00:25:13,025 --> 00:25:15,275
One that was assisting the police
539
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,080
also got hacked to death by Franklin's men.
540
00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:19,701
And two other bystanders.
541
00:25:23,177 --> 00:25:25,511
AMY: So there's two people.
542
00:25:25,516 --> 00:25:28,317
They're both lying on the ground.
543
00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:33,123
It's dark out.
There's a fire that's burning.
544
00:25:33,129 --> 00:25:39,133
And there's a man who...
is standing over them.
545
00:25:39,141 --> 00:25:42,242
And it's almost like a butchering,
546
00:25:42,246 --> 00:25:47,099
like you would butcher an animal,
like he's being gutted.
547
00:25:59,747 --> 00:26:01,947
I saw several dead people during my walk,
548
00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:04,618
but the bizarre creatures
guarding the dead outside
549
00:26:04,622 --> 00:26:07,957
pose the biggest threat.
550
00:26:07,962 --> 00:26:10,596
There were several trees,
551
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,451
and there were these things
552
00:26:13,456 --> 00:26:19,676
that were probably like 10 or 12 feet tall.
553
00:26:19,684 --> 00:26:23,553
Like a fly with no head.
554
00:26:23,558 --> 00:26:25,525
- And no face?
- No face.
555
00:26:25,529 --> 00:26:30,498
It was dark... very, very dark.
556
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,440
Is this what you saw?
557
00:26:35,815 --> 00:26:38,315
Yes, that's what I saw.
558
00:26:58,432 --> 00:27:01,216
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
559
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:03,187
we're ready to reveal our findings
560
00:27:03,191 --> 00:27:06,392
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
561
00:27:06,397 --> 00:27:08,030
Amy, I'd like you to meet Michael.
562
00:27:08,033 --> 00:27:11,868
Now, Michael gave up a banking
job in New York a few years ago
563
00:27:11,874 --> 00:27:13,640
to come here and run this historic place,
564
00:27:13,643 --> 00:27:16,911
but he got a lot more than he bargained for.
565
00:27:16,916 --> 00:27:18,750
This is his mom, Mrs. Rollins.
566
00:27:18,754 --> 00:27:21,921
Back in 1965,
her husband purchased this place.
567
00:27:21,926 --> 00:27:26,129
This is what it looked like
when they purchased it.
568
00:27:26,134 --> 00:27:30,269
They spent years restoring
it to what it is today.
569
00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:31,441
And this is Janique.
570
00:27:31,444 --> 00:27:34,645
She's an employee of Rose Hall.
571
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:37,184
And she's had more than her
fair share of experiences.
572
00:27:37,188 --> 00:27:39,688
Now, Michael's the one that called us in.
573
00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:41,692
Activity's gotten really bad,
574
00:27:41,696 --> 00:27:42,862
and he wants to make sure
575
00:27:42,865 --> 00:27:44,331
he can continue on with the family legacy.
576
00:27:44,334 --> 00:27:48,036
So now that Amy knows a little
bit about what's going on,
577
00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:50,409
I'm gonna have her describe
what she saw on her walk.
578
00:27:50,413 --> 00:27:56,651
When I arrived, there was a lot
of chaos that was happening.
579
00:27:56,658 --> 00:28:02,295
I immediately encountered a
male who is bound by his leg,
580
00:28:02,302 --> 00:28:07,472
and he was telling me how he
had been here for a long time.
581
00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:11,347
But he was someone who was
treated really like an animal.
582
00:28:11,352 --> 00:28:14,220
Then, right after him,
583
00:28:14,225 --> 00:28:19,294
I saw people were lined
up and then set on fire.
584
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,702
Then they were just kind
of scattered and running,
585
00:28:22,707 --> 00:28:25,241
while they are engulfed in flames.
586
00:28:26,915 --> 00:28:31,751
I think that this happened a very,
very long time ago.
587
00:28:31,757 --> 00:28:34,024
STEVE: That's pretty easy to explain.
588
00:28:34,028 --> 00:28:37,730
I mean, this place was a slave
plantation back in the 1700s.
589
00:28:37,736 --> 00:28:41,204
At its peak, it had 500 slaves
590
00:28:41,209 --> 00:28:43,209
that lived, died, and were buried here.
591
00:28:43,213 --> 00:28:47,815
Now, you saw a lot of violence and a fire.
592
00:28:47,821 --> 00:28:49,071
Yeah.
593
00:28:49,074 --> 00:28:51,291
Now,
it kind of sounds like you're talking about
594
00:28:51,295 --> 00:28:54,696
the slave rebellion that took
place on December 27, 1831.
595
00:28:54,701 --> 00:28:57,068
Now, the slaves burnt down the plantation
596
00:28:57,072 --> 00:28:59,606
and took up arms to fight for their freedom.
597
00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:01,410
Battle lasted 10 days.
598
00:29:01,414 --> 00:29:03,247
Slaves were crushed.
599
00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:06,551
221 died during that 10-day battle.
600
00:29:06,556 --> 00:29:09,357
Only 14 of those 221 were white.
601
00:29:09,362 --> 00:29:12,430
Now, afterwards, the whites that
were here were out for blood.
602
00:29:12,434 --> 00:29:14,434
They wind up rounding up any blacks
603
00:29:14,438 --> 00:29:17,539
they could find on the streets,
threw them in jail, tried them,
604
00:29:17,544 --> 00:29:20,511
and 312 were executed.
605
00:29:20,516 --> 00:29:22,183
Even though the whites won that battle,
606
00:29:22,186 --> 00:29:23,352
they lost the war
607
00:29:23,355 --> 00:29:24,821
because slavery was abolished in 1834 here.
608
00:29:25,893 --> 00:29:30,892
Now, Janique,
you had experiences with slaves.
609
00:29:30,997 --> 00:29:31,996
Yeah.
610
00:29:31,999 --> 00:29:33,832
Explain to Amy what you encountered.
611
00:29:33,835 --> 00:29:35,402
So, I went upstairs,
612
00:29:35,406 --> 00:29:37,139
and I was cleaning the commode.
613
00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:39,142
And there was a gentlemen behind me.
614
00:29:39,146 --> 00:29:40,312
You know, he's black.
615
00:29:40,315 --> 00:29:42,748
He had wounds on his skin,
616
00:29:42,752 --> 00:29:44,335
and he grabbed my hand.
617
00:29:44,339 --> 00:29:47,290
And he was saying, "Come with me."
618
00:29:47,294 --> 00:29:50,545
After a few minutes or so,
there was a gentleman
619
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,201
coming from all corners of the house,
620
00:29:53,206 --> 00:29:55,273
about four of them, all slaves.
621
00:29:55,276 --> 00:29:56,809
It seems all wounded.
622
00:29:56,813 --> 00:30:02,083
I was afraid that I might
have died or something.
623
00:30:05,445 --> 00:30:07,445
STEVE: So, what else happened on your walk?
624
00:30:07,449 --> 00:30:10,667
AMY: I encountered this one guy.
625
00:30:10,672 --> 00:30:12,639
This is his favorite area.
626
00:30:12,643 --> 00:30:21,750
He was very angry, a very forceful person.
627
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,162
This guy causes issues with,
like, living people.
628
00:30:26,168 --> 00:30:29,169
You know? Has, like, tantrums.
629
00:30:29,173 --> 00:30:36,478
He'll, like,
run into the wall and the door on purpose.
630
00:30:36,487 --> 00:30:40,056
You've had a lot of people
telling you they hear footsteps?
631
00:30:40,061 --> 00:30:41,593
I've had people telling me
632
00:30:41,596 --> 00:30:43,596
that they'll be on the second floor.
633
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,834
And they'll hear things downstairs.
634
00:30:45,838 --> 00:30:47,938
There's a lot of activity,
a lot of movement,
635
00:30:47,942 --> 00:30:50,242
and all of that without people really here.
636
00:30:50,246 --> 00:30:51,279
AMY: Mm-hmm.
637
00:30:51,282 --> 00:30:52,614
Yeah, that's how he operates.
638
00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:58,224
STEVE: So, what else did you see?
639
00:30:58,228 --> 00:31:00,895
There were two women that
I encountered on my walk.
640
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:05,703
The first one was extremely old,
very, very wealthy.
641
00:31:05,709 --> 00:31:09,344
She is from probably 1600s, 1700s.
642
00:31:09,349 --> 00:31:12,567
She was someone who was a decision-maker
643
00:31:12,572 --> 00:31:14,622
and could implement power,
644
00:31:14,626 --> 00:31:18,361
and from my knowledge,
as a woman at that time,
645
00:31:18,366 --> 00:31:19,999
that didn't happen.
646
00:31:20,002 --> 00:31:22,569
She was in control.
647
00:31:22,574 --> 00:31:25,208
Now, you've heard stories for years,
right, Mrs. Rollins,
648
00:31:25,212 --> 00:31:27,346
about people seeing an
apparition of a woman.
649
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:28,382
Yes.
650
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,654
Michael, you had told me your
daughter saw an apparition.
651
00:31:31,658 --> 00:31:33,024
Was it upstairs?
652
00:31:33,027 --> 00:31:35,561
Yeah, upstairs in the far bedroom,
in the far corner.
653
00:31:35,565 --> 00:31:37,365
Which would be?
654
00:31:37,369 --> 00:31:38,735
- Annie's room.
- Right.
655
00:31:38,738 --> 00:31:41,372
Now's probably a good time to tell Amy
656
00:31:41,376 --> 00:31:44,343
about the legend of Annie Palmer
657
00:31:44,348 --> 00:31:46,582
that everybody at this
table believes is true
658
00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:49,687
and everybody in town does,
including my cab driver.
659
00:31:49,692 --> 00:31:53,744
Supposedly, she was a tyrannical
and sadistic slave owner
660
00:31:53,749 --> 00:31:55,799
who ruled with an iron fist.
661
00:31:55,803 --> 00:31:57,803
She murdered three of her husbands,
662
00:31:57,807 --> 00:32:01,042
as well as countless slaves.
663
00:32:01,047 --> 00:32:02,947
Apparently, she's also buried
right here on the property.
664
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:06,418
But, Amy, this is only the legend.
665
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,290
I did my own research,
666
00:32:08,293 --> 00:32:09,926
and I'll tell you about it in a minute.
667
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,165
Michael,
tell Amy about the Annie Palmer tours
668
00:32:13,169 --> 00:32:14,435
you run at night.
669
00:32:14,439 --> 00:32:16,439
As of close to two years ago,
670
00:32:16,442 --> 00:32:18,208
we started doing tours at night.
671
00:32:18,212 --> 00:32:20,112
People started hearing things,
672
00:32:20,116 --> 00:32:22,283
feeling as if a presence was there.
673
00:32:22,287 --> 00:32:24,187
They've actually been touched.
674
00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:25,973
And then, in the most extreme cases,
675
00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:27,760
people felt as if they were pushed.
676
00:32:27,763 --> 00:32:29,463
Are you doing reenactments?
677
00:32:29,467 --> 00:32:31,800
Yeah, there are aspects of reenactments.
678
00:32:31,804 --> 00:32:39,310
Are you doing any of...
the bad stuff that happened?
679
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,119
I mean, we designed the night tour
680
00:32:41,122 --> 00:32:43,889
so that we could bring a story to life.
681
00:32:43,894 --> 00:32:46,295
We never dreamt the
spirits would do it for us.
682
00:32:48,836 --> 00:32:52,171
STEVE: Now,
who was the second woman you saw?
683
00:32:52,176 --> 00:32:55,544
The other woman that I met, who was younger,
684
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:59,918
from around 1860,
her family... extremely wealthy.
685
00:32:59,924 --> 00:33:02,191
She was very well-taken-care-of.
686
00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,562
She had definite father issues.
687
00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:08,285
I do think that people
see her on the staircase.
688
00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:11,074
I think they would see her along the walls.
689
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,546
She does like to be felt.
690
00:33:13,550 --> 00:33:16,684
So she'll literally put
her whole physical self
691
00:33:16,689 --> 00:33:18,689
around a person.
692
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:22,028
Now, I think I can clear this stuff up.
693
00:33:22,032 --> 00:33:24,899
I talked to an expert who
wrote about Rose Hall.
694
00:33:24,904 --> 00:33:27,438
He says the legend of Annie
Palmer is mostly false.
695
00:33:33,286 --> 00:33:37,455
That legend may be the
combination of two women
696
00:33:37,461 --> 00:33:39,161
that lived on this property
at two different times.
697
00:33:40,934 --> 00:33:46,338
The first woman, Rosa Palmer,
came here in 1746.
698
00:33:46,345 --> 00:33:48,545
Now, Rosa had four husbands,
699
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:52,551
and three of them died
right here on this property.
700
00:33:52,556 --> 00:33:55,257
There's no indication that
any of them were murdered.
701
00:33:55,262 --> 00:33:57,062
She was also a very strong woman
702
00:33:57,065 --> 00:33:59,999
because she had to run the
plantation in-between husbands.
703
00:34:00,004 --> 00:34:01,670
So, this is another aspect
704
00:34:01,674 --> 00:34:03,941
of what you said about the first woman.
705
00:34:03,945 --> 00:34:06,579
When she married her fourth husband,
they built this house,
706
00:34:06,583 --> 00:34:08,483
and that's who he named it after.
707
00:34:08,487 --> 00:34:10,187
Her name was Rosa. They named it Rose Hall.
708
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:14,092
Rosa Palmer died right
here in Rose Hall in 1790,
709
00:34:14,098 --> 00:34:17,632
at the age of 72, but she's not buried here.
710
00:34:19,742 --> 00:34:24,611
Now, right here I have the
burial records for Rosa Palmer.
711
00:34:24,617 --> 00:34:27,134
She's buried at the St. James Church,
712
00:34:27,138 --> 00:34:28,838
about nine miles from you.
713
00:34:32,432 --> 00:34:35,166
Now, the second woman...
she was actually named Annie Palmer,
714
00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:37,771
but the similarities end there.
715
00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:40,143
According to the author I spoke to,
716
00:34:40,147 --> 00:34:43,848
this is supposed to be the only
known image of Annie Palmer.
717
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,516
You said she had daddy issues.
718
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,869
Her father died young.
719
00:34:53,872 --> 00:34:55,539
She moved here in 1820.
720
00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:58,376
Her husband dies in 1827.
721
00:34:58,381 --> 00:35:02,016
Now, in 1846,
Annie Palmer died sick and broke
722
00:35:02,021 --> 00:35:05,122
on another part of the
island at the age of 34.
723
00:35:05,127 --> 00:35:07,127
Now, is that her buried outside there? No.
724
00:35:07,131 --> 00:35:09,298
I mean, I have another doc that says
725
00:35:09,301 --> 00:35:13,336
she's buried in the same
church cemetery as Rosa.
726
00:35:13,342 --> 00:35:15,843
ROLLINS: I'm just shocked.
727
00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:19,182
It's a lot of information.
728
00:35:20,488 --> 00:35:21,921
The story's overwhelming.
729
00:35:21,925 --> 00:35:25,527
You can't change a legend.
730
00:35:25,532 --> 00:35:26,948
Let me ask you a question.
You saw the two women, right?
731
00:35:26,951 --> 00:35:28,067
AMY: Yes.
732
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:31,705
Does this look like who you might've seen?
733
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:35,578
It does look similar
to the needy lady.
734
00:35:37,187 --> 00:35:40,755
Obviously, there's a huge mystery here.
735
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,130
And I don't think that anyone is
going to resolve this mystery.
736
00:35:46,137 --> 00:35:51,140
But from Steve's research that he presented,
737
00:35:51,147 --> 00:35:54,682
I need to just go with my gut.
738
00:35:54,687 --> 00:35:58,923
I think that this very strong,
independent woman
739
00:35:58,928 --> 00:36:01,561
is possibly Rosa Palmer.
740
00:36:01,566 --> 00:36:05,335
I think the male that's here is probably
741
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,543
one of her former husbands
that she may have killed.
742
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:17,221
As for the younger female that
I encountered, this female,
743
00:36:17,229 --> 00:36:22,833
possibly Annie Palmer because
she had father issues,
744
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,775
and she is extraordinarily needy.
745
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:29,481
Well,
I think we need to really take a close look
746
00:36:29,485 --> 00:36:31,151
at doing as much as we can
747
00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:33,589
in order to not provoke something
748
00:36:33,593 --> 00:36:35,209
that has the ability to be awful.
749
00:36:38,085 --> 00:36:42,704
One of the things that
I find very concerning
750
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:46,579
is what I encountered in the backyard.
751
00:36:46,585 --> 00:36:48,385
And the interesting thing was
752
00:36:48,388 --> 00:36:51,422
that there were guardians of the dead.
753
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:56,915
These things said to me to stay
back and not to come there.
754
00:36:57,939 --> 00:37:00,140
They're about 12 feet tall,
755
00:37:00,144 --> 00:37:04,880
black body, bizarre arms and legs.
756
00:37:04,886 --> 00:37:07,787
They're very odd-looking.
757
00:37:07,791 --> 00:37:10,958
So I did do a sketch of what I saw.
758
00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:12,797
I'm dying to see what
these things look like.
759
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,482
Well, you weren't kidding
when you said this is weird.
760
00:37:23,487 --> 00:37:26,154
This is what you got in your backyard,
just so you know.
761
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:27,826
Oh.
762
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:29,562
They're horrific.
763
00:37:29,566 --> 00:37:34,268
They're capable, really,
of anything, including death.
764
00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:53,067
This is what you got in your backyard,
just so you know.
765
00:37:53,169 --> 00:37:54,835
Oh.
766
00:37:54,838 --> 00:37:56,571
They're horrific.
767
00:37:56,575 --> 00:38:01,278
They're capable, really,
of anything, including death.
768
00:38:09,699 --> 00:38:12,600
So,
what do we need to do to make it all stop?
769
00:38:12,605 --> 00:38:16,641
The guardians... they're making sure
770
00:38:16,646 --> 00:38:21,265
that nothing bad happens to the
dead that were unjustly killed.
771
00:38:22,891 --> 00:38:26,993
And if these dead people feel threatened,
772
00:38:26,999 --> 00:38:29,366
they would reach out to these guardians
773
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:33,639
and allow them to protect them.
774
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:36,161
All right, well, I got to ask,
775
00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:39,518
I mean, you think his nighttime shows here
776
00:38:39,523 --> 00:38:40,722
are causing a problem?
777
00:38:40,725 --> 00:38:42,625
Yeah, that's what I'm saying
is I'm nervous about that.
778
00:38:42,628 --> 00:38:44,995
Well, that makes me nervous, so...
779
00:38:44,999 --> 00:38:46,732
The picture that you just showed.
780
00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:52,876
STEVE: Well, Michael,
you're a successful guy,
781
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,549
and I'm sure you got that way
by tackling problems head on.
782
00:38:56,555 --> 00:38:59,389
And right now there's a problem here.
783
00:38:59,393 --> 00:39:02,427
So the big question is,
can you keep your father's legacy alive
784
00:39:02,432 --> 00:39:05,400
while ensuring the safety of
your employees, your guests,
785
00:39:05,405 --> 00:39:07,105
and your family?
786
00:39:07,108 --> 00:39:08,557
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy
787
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,526
and see what she can tell us.
788
00:39:12,585 --> 00:39:16,453
AMY: As far as the dead are concerned,
789
00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:18,625
I do believe that some of the reenactments
790
00:39:18,629 --> 00:39:20,696
probably need to cease.
791
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,466
It is causing them stress.
792
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:26,773
So I think that that needs to be curtailed.
793
00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:28,477
So we want to make them
as comfortable as possible
794
00:39:28,481 --> 00:39:31,049
until they're able to go on.
795
00:39:31,053 --> 00:39:34,688
But as far as the guardians are concerned,
796
00:39:34,693 --> 00:39:36,442
offerings need to be made.
797
00:39:37,865 --> 00:39:39,115
Maybe once a month,
798
00:39:39,118 --> 00:39:41,935
bringing flowers and putting them out there.
799
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:44,808
While you're doing this,
all you're saying is,
800
00:39:44,812 --> 00:39:48,680
"I respect what you're doing. Thank you."
801
00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:50,403
That's it.
802
00:39:52,093 --> 00:39:54,793
STEVE: Now, what do they do
about the two women you saw?
803
00:39:54,797 --> 00:39:58,032
Rosa Palmer, with her three husbands,
804
00:39:58,037 --> 00:40:01,472
bring in a medium to talk to her and say,
you know,
805
00:40:01,477 --> 00:40:05,312
"Look, let's do this nice.
806
00:40:05,318 --> 00:40:06,600
"I can help you.
807
00:40:06,603 --> 00:40:09,488
I can help guide you to
move on and this and this."
808
00:40:09,492 --> 00:40:10,891
I hope that goes well.
809
00:40:12,431 --> 00:40:15,565
All right, so now what about the
second one with daddy issues?
810
00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:22,142
Okay, so that person,
who could possibly be Annie Palmer,
811
00:40:22,149 --> 00:40:27,268
I think that she actually will
be the easiest person to go.
812
00:40:27,275 --> 00:40:28,625
She is looking for love.
813
00:40:28,628 --> 00:40:32,163
And I think that a medium
who could connect with her
814
00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:35,769
would be able to talk to her,
communicate with her
815
00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:37,975
and let her know that it's okay
816
00:40:37,978 --> 00:40:41,730
and that she'll be reunited with
those that she's looking for
817
00:40:41,736 --> 00:40:44,453
and has always been looking for and lost.
818
00:40:44,457 --> 00:40:46,941
The male is honestly going to be
819
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:49,996
the most difficult person to remove.
820
00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:52,068
In order to remove him,
821
00:40:52,072 --> 00:40:58,493
you would need to have a
priest come and do an exorcism.
822
00:40:59,954 --> 00:41:01,253
He is not budging.
823
00:41:01,256 --> 00:41:03,623
But I always thought an exorcism
824
00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:06,595
was the removal of the devil from a person.
825
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,534
An exorcism can be done
826
00:41:09,538 --> 00:41:15,008
when a dead person is
refusing to leave.
827
00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,582
He's going to have be forcefully,
828
00:41:17,587 --> 00:41:19,520
unfortunately, removed.
829
00:41:19,523 --> 00:41:24,693
Now, to keep your father's
legacy alive and to respect it,
830
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,901
are you gonna at least do
what Amy tells you to do?
831
00:41:26,905 --> 00:41:29,989
We need to do that to protect people
832
00:41:29,994 --> 00:41:32,945
who are visiting at our invitation
833
00:41:32,949 --> 00:41:35,116
and our family and Dad's legacy.
834
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,484
So if that's what it takes to
keep Rose Hall Great House,
835
00:41:39,588 --> 00:41:43,755
safe and alive... Then I think
of course we'll do that.
836
00:41:43,859 --> 00:41:46,967
I think, we don't have choice.
837
00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:53,300
Presenting offering to these creatures
shouldn't be taken lightly,
838
00:41:53,327 --> 00:41:55,327
as they pose a very serious danger.
839
00:41:55,353 --> 00:41:58,983
But I believe if Michael and
his mother follow my advice,
840
00:41:59,086 --> 00:42:02,037
the dead will be set free,
and his family�s legacy
841
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:04,140
can continue safely for
generations to come.
842
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:08,740
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