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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,428 --> 00:00:12,533 AMY: I wouldn't want to mess with this woman. 2 00:00:12,635 --> 00:00:14,243 She's very powerful. 3 00:00:14,344 --> 00:00:17,093 The last owner killed all three of her husbands. 4 00:00:17,098 --> 00:00:19,269 It hurts so much. 5 00:00:19,273 --> 00:00:21,410 I thought I was going to die. 6 00:00:21,414 --> 00:00:23,954 It absolutely terrified me. 7 00:00:23,958 --> 00:00:25,424 And it's almost like a butchering. 8 00:00:25,427 --> 00:00:27,133 In the name of Jesus, you go. 9 00:00:27,137 --> 00:00:29,142 Vicious. 10 00:00:29,146 --> 00:00:32,346 They're burning them alive. 11 00:00:32,350 --> 00:00:35,026 Something bad's going to happen. 12 00:00:35,031 --> 00:00:37,938 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:37,942 --> 00:00:39,307 There's panic. 14 00:00:39,311 --> 00:00:40,746 And it's almost like a butchering. 15 00:00:40,749 --> 00:00:41,817 I see dead people. 16 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:43,956 They all died horribly. 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,664 I speak to dead people. 18 00:00:45,667 --> 00:00:47,071 Get out of here. 19 00:00:47,074 --> 00:00:48,706 And they speak to me. 20 00:00:48,710 --> 00:00:50,747 Vicious. 21 00:00:50,751 --> 00:00:53,899 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:00:53,903 --> 00:00:55,607 It doesn't matter where you are. I'll find you. 23 00:00:55,611 --> 00:00:57,186 I rely on my partner. 24 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:58,823 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 25 00:00:58,827 --> 00:01:00,728 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 26 00:01:00,732 --> 00:01:02,434 This guy's a real piece of work. 27 00:01:02,437 --> 00:01:06,107 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:06,112 --> 00:01:07,612 I feel like I live in a house of Hell. 29 00:01:07,616 --> 00:01:08,784 It's my job to reveal them. 30 00:01:08,787 --> 00:01:11,057 This is not good. 31 00:01:11,061 --> 00:01:12,798 But Steve and I never speak... 32 00:01:12,801 --> 00:01:14,835 We never communicate during an investigation. 33 00:01:14,839 --> 00:01:16,606 Until the very end. 34 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:18,081 I want my life back. 35 00:01:18,084 --> 00:01:20,487 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 36 00:01:20,491 --> 00:01:22,093 - Is he trying to kill her? - [Sobs] 37 00:01:22,096 --> 00:01:23,364 Or time to get out. 38 00:01:23,368 --> 00:01:25,039 Oh, my god. 39 00:01:25,042 --> 00:01:26,444 This is going to kill us. 40 00:01:28,444 --> 00:01:32,461 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - Www.addic7ed.com - 41 00:01:44,612 --> 00:01:46,180 STEVE: This is the first time 42 00:01:46,184 --> 00:01:48,718 Amy and I are doing an investigation overseas together. 43 00:01:48,722 --> 00:01:52,428 We're in Jamaica, a Caribbean Island just south of Cuba. 44 00:01:52,433 --> 00:01:56,406 Now, the reason we're here is I got a call from a young expat 45 00:01:56,412 --> 00:01:58,848 who took over the family business. 46 00:01:58,852 --> 00:02:02,390 It's a historic plantation house in Montego Bay. 47 00:02:02,395 --> 00:02:04,379 He says the activity is out of control. 48 00:02:04,481 --> 00:02:06,886 His employees are scared, 49 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:08,722 guests are running out of the place screaming, 50 00:02:08,726 --> 00:02:11,097 and now even his kids are affected. 51 00:02:11,101 --> 00:02:12,235 He says if we can't help him, 52 00:02:12,238 --> 00:02:13,771 he's gonna pack his things and leave. 53 00:02:20,354 --> 00:02:22,425 MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives, 54 00:02:22,429 --> 00:02:25,430 I clear the area of any leading information. 55 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:30,541 Photographs and artwork can influence her findings, 56 00:02:30,546 --> 00:02:33,744 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 57 00:02:33,749 --> 00:02:34,981 When I'm finished, 58 00:02:34,984 --> 00:02:40,455 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 59 00:02:52,621 --> 00:02:54,655 AMY: There's this man. 60 00:02:54,658 --> 00:02:57,994 He was treated like a dog. He had a chain. 61 00:02:57,999 --> 00:03:01,166 Lots of, uh, blood. 62 00:03:03,009 --> 00:03:05,312 They were setting people on fire. 63 00:03:05,316 --> 00:03:06,949 They're burning them alive. 64 00:03:06,952 --> 00:03:10,355 You know, pretty [Bleep] brutal [Bleep] 65 00:03:13,406 --> 00:03:15,625 _ 66 00:03:24,429 --> 00:03:27,364 STEVE: Well, Michael, this is an incredible building 67 00:03:27,368 --> 00:03:28,418 with spectacular views. 68 00:03:28,519 --> 00:03:30,319 But I assume you guys don't live here 69 00:03:30,421 --> 00:03:33,288 because it looks like it's set up as, like a museum. 70 00:03:33,293 --> 00:03:34,794 You're exactly right. It's a museum. 71 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:37,840 But it, first, it was a sugarcane plantation. 72 00:03:37,943 --> 00:03:38,254 Okay. 73 00:03:38,354 --> 00:03:42,083 And eventually, my father bought this place in the mid-'60s 74 00:03:42,187 --> 00:03:45,252 and then started restoring this Rose Hall Great House. 75 00:03:45,256 --> 00:03:47,857 What kind of shape was the place in when your father took over? 76 00:03:47,862 --> 00:03:49,295 Well, when my father took over, 77 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:52,894 nobody had lived here for, I believe, over 60 years. 78 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:55,902 You'd never know it was the same building. 79 00:03:55,907 --> 00:03:57,306 How long have you been running this place? 80 00:03:57,309 --> 00:03:58,909 For close to three years now. 81 00:03:58,912 --> 00:04:00,611 Before that, I was in banking. 82 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:03,315 And I worked in finance, actually, in New York City. 83 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:07,921 It had been a 50-year, you know, passion project for my father. 84 00:04:07,927 --> 00:04:10,696 And it was very important for me to uphold that legacy. 85 00:04:10,701 --> 00:04:12,268 Now, Michael, what kind of things 86 00:04:12,271 --> 00:04:14,470 are we talking about that people are experiencing? 87 00:04:14,474 --> 00:04:17,175 It really runs the gamut from seeing things 88 00:04:17,179 --> 00:04:20,512 to hearing things 89 00:04:20,517 --> 00:04:22,918 to actually feeling as if they've been touched 90 00:04:22,923 --> 00:04:25,824 to, in the worst case, feeling as if they've been pushed. 91 00:04:25,828 --> 00:04:28,494 But for me, you know, the final straw 92 00:04:28,499 --> 00:04:29,968 was my daughter had had an experience. 93 00:04:29,971 --> 00:04:31,371 She was very scared 94 00:04:31,374 --> 00:04:34,707 and had a hard time being around here after that. 95 00:04:34,712 --> 00:04:35,977 What about yourself, any experiences? 96 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:36,979 Yes. 97 00:04:36,982 --> 00:04:38,515 When I would go up the staircase 98 00:04:38,518 --> 00:04:40,484 and start going the rounds to the bedrooms, 99 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,355 I felt as if there was a presence there, 100 00:04:42,359 --> 00:04:44,424 that somebody was on my back. 101 00:04:44,428 --> 00:04:46,593 But really, the reason why I called you 102 00:04:46,597 --> 00:04:48,897 was I was really worried about the guests, 103 00:04:48,901 --> 00:04:51,300 the employees who are here on a regular basis, 104 00:04:51,304 --> 00:04:52,768 and I'm worried about my kids. 105 00:04:52,771 --> 00:04:55,568 Now, has the activity always been bad? 106 00:04:55,572 --> 00:04:58,103 Activity didn't pick up till we started doing the night tour. 107 00:04:58,108 --> 00:04:59,774 When did the night tour start? 108 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:02,011 The night tour started about two years ago. 109 00:05:02,015 --> 00:05:03,515 Okay, so, now, what kind of tours are we talking about? 110 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:04,885 It's for the most part historical. 111 00:05:04,888 --> 00:05:06,087 Okay, so these people 112 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:07,988 - aren't coming in here ghost hunting? - No. 113 00:05:07,991 --> 00:05:10,591 Okay, so, what kind of history are you covering on this tour? 114 00:05:10,596 --> 00:05:13,596 The last mistress of the house was Annie Palmer, 115 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,267 who supposedly had, within 12 years, 116 00:05:16,272 --> 00:05:19,306 killed three husbands and countless slaves 117 00:05:19,311 --> 00:05:20,645 and was finally murdered at the house. 118 00:05:20,648 --> 00:05:23,511 And she's actually buried over on the property, 119 00:05:23,515 --> 00:05:24,613 right over there. 120 00:05:30,321 --> 00:05:33,025 There's this woman. 121 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:37,231 And she's very well-groomed. 122 00:05:37,236 --> 00:05:41,940 She's so, like, an authority, like a powerful person. 123 00:05:41,947 --> 00:05:44,313 She's very in control. 124 00:05:44,317 --> 00:05:47,185 I would want to mess with this woman. 125 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:50,691 Something is going on 126 00:05:50,696 --> 00:05:55,332 that is making her very stressed out and angry. 127 00:05:57,508 --> 00:06:04,045 She definitely is present here. 128 00:06:10,893 --> 00:06:13,027 So, Mrs. Rollins, it's good to meet with you. 129 00:06:13,031 --> 00:06:14,198 Likewise. 130 00:06:14,201 --> 00:06:15,735 So, I was talking to your son. 131 00:06:15,738 --> 00:06:17,370 And it sounds like you got some problems here. 132 00:06:17,374 --> 00:06:18,606 Mm-hmm. 133 00:06:18,609 --> 00:06:19,775 Okay, so, I'm curious. 134 00:06:19,778 --> 00:06:21,310 What actually drew you guys to this place? 135 00:06:21,313 --> 00:06:24,214 Well, my husband came for a vacation, 136 00:06:24,219 --> 00:06:26,187 and what really impressed him the most were the people. 137 00:06:26,191 --> 00:06:30,495 There's just a joie de vivre, a laughter, a joy about them. 138 00:06:30,501 --> 00:06:32,903 But when Michael came and brought his family, 139 00:06:32,907 --> 00:06:34,508 I began to think, you know, 140 00:06:34,511 --> 00:06:36,376 "Maybe we should relook at this." 141 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:38,715 Well, your 8-year-old granddaughter 142 00:06:38,719 --> 00:06:40,622 seems to have had an experience. 143 00:06:40,626 --> 00:06:41,791 Yes. I was shocked. 144 00:06:41,794 --> 00:06:43,192 Now, what about yourself? 145 00:06:43,195 --> 00:06:44,627 Well, you can be here at night 146 00:06:44,630 --> 00:06:46,833 and have the hackles raise on the back of your neck. 147 00:06:46,837 --> 00:06:47,936 And, I mean, I was on a tour. 148 00:06:47,939 --> 00:06:49,637 There were clanging of chains. 149 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,673 There were things that were going on 150 00:06:51,677 --> 00:06:54,281 that absolutely terrified me. 151 00:06:54,286 --> 00:06:56,220 Okay, so, now, after that happened, 152 00:06:56,223 --> 00:06:57,890 did employees come to you with stories? 153 00:06:57,894 --> 00:06:59,662 Oh, they certainly did. They said, you know, 154 00:06:59,665 --> 00:07:02,698 "The shutters banged, but they were secured," 155 00:07:02,703 --> 00:07:05,037 or, "floor creaking, floorboards," 156 00:07:05,041 --> 00:07:07,842 all kinds of noises, all kinds of things. 157 00:07:07,847 --> 00:07:09,812 And I would not have thought I was open to it, 158 00:07:09,815 --> 00:07:11,847 but I'm starting to pay a little more attention. 159 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:18,827 AMY: There was a man here. 160 00:07:18,832 --> 00:07:21,601 I think he went crazy. 161 00:07:21,606 --> 00:07:26,810 This guy causes issues with, like, living people, 162 00:07:26,816 --> 00:07:29,816 you know, has, like, tantrums. 163 00:07:29,821 --> 00:07:36,664 He'll, like, run into the wall and the door on purpose. 164 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:41,608 I'd say this man is the cause of hundreds of deaths. 165 00:07:41,614 --> 00:07:46,522 And it goes back in his family, 166 00:07:46,528 --> 00:07:50,697 like he comes from a line of monsters. 167 00:07:50,703 --> 00:07:52,635 Vicious. 168 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,208 Very vicious man. 169 00:07:56,211 --> 00:07:57,745 Very vicious. 170 00:08:05,767 --> 00:08:09,167 So, Katherine, I was talking to Daddy, 171 00:08:09,172 --> 00:08:13,307 and he told me that you had an experience that scared you. 172 00:08:13,313 --> 00:08:15,013 Yeah. 173 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:16,147 Is that right? 174 00:08:16,150 --> 00:08:17,582 Mm-hmm. 175 00:08:17,585 --> 00:08:20,118 Can you tell me what happened? 176 00:08:20,123 --> 00:08:23,256 Well, we were doing the party for the opening of the play 177 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:28,964 that we talk about what happened when Annie Palmer was alive. 178 00:08:28,971 --> 00:08:30,637 Okay. 179 00:08:30,641 --> 00:08:32,407 And I saw somebody up in the top of the window. 180 00:08:32,410 --> 00:08:39,448 And she had red lipstick with black markings over her eyes. 181 00:08:39,457 --> 00:08:41,824 It couldn't have been somebody that was in the building? 182 00:08:41,828 --> 00:08:42,827 Mnh-mnh. 183 00:08:42,830 --> 00:08:46,036 Just some people at the front bottom. 184 00:08:46,041 --> 00:08:47,940 Okay, but not up here. 185 00:08:47,943 --> 00:08:49,474 Yeah. Not on the top floor. 186 00:08:49,478 --> 00:08:51,613 Now, are you afraid of the building? 187 00:08:51,616 --> 00:08:52,650 Yeah. 188 00:08:52,653 --> 00:08:53,953 I'm never alone when I'm in here. 189 00:08:56,963 --> 00:08:59,998 AMY: There's another lady. 190 00:09:00,003 --> 00:09:01,835 She went nuts. 191 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:03,773 She went crazy. 192 00:09:03,776 --> 00:09:11,217 She is seen... a lot. 193 00:09:13,095 --> 00:09:18,567 And people, male, female, kids, will see her around. 194 00:09:18,573 --> 00:09:21,475 Like, it's always like she's moving along the wall. 195 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,384 She's always, like, slithering. 196 00:09:25,389 --> 00:09:29,359 She's kind of spooking me out a little bit. 197 00:09:44,682 --> 00:09:47,220 STEVE: After meeting with Michael and his family, 198 00:09:47,225 --> 00:09:49,692 I started talking to the employees of Rose Hall. 199 00:09:49,696 --> 00:09:52,063 It shook. 200 00:09:52,067 --> 00:09:54,031 And Mrs. Rollins wasn't kidding. 201 00:09:54,971 --> 00:09:57,394 _ 202 00:09:57,648 --> 00:09:59,397 _ 203 00:09:59,613 --> 00:10:02,114 Everyone had experiences to share. 204 00:10:02,118 --> 00:10:03,616 My back was to the door. 205 00:10:03,619 --> 00:10:04,684 And the door slammed. 206 00:10:04,687 --> 00:10:06,286 One that really caught my attention 207 00:10:06,290 --> 00:10:09,191 came from a housekeeper named Becken. 208 00:10:09,195 --> 00:10:16,298 A few weeks ago, right down there, the dungeon, 209 00:10:16,306 --> 00:10:18,438 I go to turn off that light over there. 210 00:10:18,442 --> 00:10:21,445 And then I feel like somebody holding me around the waist. 211 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:24,482 I say, "In the name of Jesus, you go." 212 00:10:24,487 --> 00:10:26,286 Now, Becken, you're sure it couldn't have been 213 00:10:26,289 --> 00:10:28,156 one of the other employees playing games with you 214 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,528 and grabbing you and then running away? 215 00:10:30,532 --> 00:10:32,063 No, nobody was around. 216 00:10:32,066 --> 00:10:34,252 So, do you think whatever's here is dangerous? 217 00:10:34,279 --> 00:10:34,824 Yeah. 218 00:10:39,011 --> 00:10:45,020 AMY: Crazy Lady makes her whole being felt. 219 00:10:45,027 --> 00:10:46,728 She doesn't just touch them. 220 00:10:46,731 --> 00:10:54,269 She wants to engulf them... and make them feel her. 221 00:10:54,278 --> 00:10:57,981 She makes you very, very nauseous. 222 00:10:57,986 --> 00:11:02,086 It hurts so much. 223 00:11:08,834 --> 00:11:11,406 How long have you worked here? 224 00:11:11,410 --> 00:11:14,613 I've been here for almost three years. 225 00:11:14,618 --> 00:11:16,583 Have you ever had actual experiences? 226 00:11:16,587 --> 00:11:18,088 I have many experiences. 227 00:11:18,091 --> 00:11:19,158 - You have? - Yes. 228 00:11:19,161 --> 00:11:20,961 Okay, tell me about them. 229 00:11:20,965 --> 00:11:23,132 We have a lady that plays Annie. 230 00:11:23,136 --> 00:11:25,569 So she stands in Annie Palmer's room, 231 00:11:25,573 --> 00:11:29,610 at her window, looking out at the guests. 232 00:11:29,615 --> 00:11:32,215 There was another lady beside her 233 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:34,620 in a nice silhouette, white dress. 234 00:11:34,624 --> 00:11:36,158 But there was no face. 235 00:11:36,161 --> 00:11:37,461 Okay. 236 00:11:37,464 --> 00:11:39,498 Now, is she solid like the actor, or was she, like, misty? 237 00:11:39,502 --> 00:11:40,768 Yeah, she's misty. 238 00:11:40,771 --> 00:11:42,868 She's ghost-like. Yeah. 239 00:11:42,872 --> 00:11:44,671 Okay. 240 00:11:44,675 --> 00:11:46,909 She mimics everything that our Annie does. 241 00:11:46,913 --> 00:11:48,647 You mean, like, her movements? 242 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:50,917 Yes. 243 00:11:50,921 --> 00:11:52,721 So, what else have you seen? 244 00:11:52,725 --> 00:11:53,858 I saw a gentleman. 245 00:11:53,861 --> 00:11:56,294 - He was black. - Okay. 246 00:11:56,298 --> 00:11:59,670 And he had some wounds on his skin. 247 00:11:59,675 --> 00:12:01,508 What kind of wounds are we talking about, 248 00:12:01,512 --> 00:12:02,677 like a burn, a stabbing? 249 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,147 Like, a whip wound. Yes. 250 00:12:05,151 --> 00:12:07,051 Okay, so you're assuming that he was a slave at some point. 251 00:12:07,055 --> 00:12:08,588 - Yes. - Okay. 252 00:12:08,591 --> 00:12:11,391 Oh, he followed me downstairs. 253 00:12:11,395 --> 00:12:14,362 And I saw six slaves. 254 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:17,000 I saw one coming from out the dining room, 255 00:12:17,004 --> 00:12:19,974 one from out the morning room, one from outside, 256 00:12:19,979 --> 00:12:21,376 one from the ballroom. 257 00:12:21,379 --> 00:12:23,611 So they were all coming towards me, 258 00:12:23,615 --> 00:12:26,382 and I couldn't move. 259 00:12:26,387 --> 00:12:27,788 The only thing, 260 00:12:27,791 --> 00:12:31,823 the one that came downstairs with me, he held my hand. 261 00:12:31,828 --> 00:12:32,927 Okay. 262 00:12:32,930 --> 00:12:34,795 He held on my hands. 263 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:38,038 And he said, "Come with me." 264 00:12:38,043 --> 00:12:39,377 Now, I've been doing this a long time. 265 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:40,711 I've heard a lot of stories. 266 00:12:40,714 --> 00:12:42,346 But this slave story you're telling me is pretty out there. 267 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:45,352 I know when it's real from when it's not. 268 00:12:45,356 --> 00:12:47,189 Did you take it as something dangerous, 269 00:12:47,193 --> 00:12:48,459 or did you take it as... 270 00:12:48,462 --> 00:12:51,231 I thought I was going to die. 271 00:12:54,576 --> 00:12:57,410 AMY: A lot of the dead here, they're pissed. 272 00:12:57,414 --> 00:13:04,153 The things that these dead people do to the living 273 00:13:04,161 --> 00:13:07,797 could be kind of justifiable 274 00:13:07,802 --> 00:13:12,541 because I think a lot of these people 275 00:13:12,548 --> 00:13:16,616 might have been tortured and kidnapped. 276 00:13:18,087 --> 00:13:21,292 This was done by the people from here. 277 00:13:22,465 --> 00:13:25,764 The dead... may have these guardians. 278 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:27,767 What are the guardians? 279 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,408 I don't know. They're these big things. 280 00:13:36,084 --> 00:13:40,155 I mean, I'd say they're 10, 12 feet tall. 281 00:13:40,161 --> 00:13:44,661 They have long legs. 282 00:13:44,667 --> 00:13:49,100 They're on all fours. 283 00:13:49,106 --> 00:13:51,274 Honestly, I've never seen anything like that. Ever, ever, ever. 284 00:13:51,278 --> 00:13:53,046 How many are there? 285 00:13:53,049 --> 00:13:56,317 There's about six or seven of them. 286 00:13:56,322 --> 00:13:58,790 It's like a [Bleep] wall of defense. 287 00:13:58,794 --> 00:14:00,492 But they said something like, 288 00:14:00,496 --> 00:14:02,995 "Stand back," or, "Don't come near here." 289 00:14:02,999 --> 00:14:06,333 They're guarding the dead. 290 00:14:10,947 --> 00:14:13,148 I think that people would have experiences 291 00:14:13,152 --> 00:14:14,619 with them over the years. 292 00:14:14,622 --> 00:14:17,890 They're very powerful and dangerous. 293 00:14:17,895 --> 00:14:22,897 Do you know if this might affect people that just work here? 294 00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:25,536 It would just destroy them. 295 00:14:40,434 --> 00:14:43,424 Michael, his mom, and everyone that works at Rose Hall 296 00:14:43,527 --> 00:14:45,665 has really bought into this Annie Palmer legend. 297 00:14:45,669 --> 00:14:47,568 You know? It's an incredible story. 298 00:14:47,572 --> 00:14:48,704 So I reached out to an author 299 00:14:48,707 --> 00:14:50,140 who has written about the property. 300 00:14:50,143 --> 00:14:51,978 He's out on the island doing research 301 00:14:51,982 --> 00:14:55,082 and agreed to meet me and separate fact from fiction. 302 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,003 So, Ben, the reason I asked you to help me out on this case 303 00:15:05,008 --> 00:15:07,307 is I know you're an expert on this stuff. 304 00:15:07,311 --> 00:15:09,211 And I got told this story by my client 305 00:15:09,215 --> 00:15:11,114 that I don't know if there's any truth to it. 306 00:15:11,118 --> 00:15:15,016 Said there was a woman named Annie Palmer who lived here. 307 00:15:15,021 --> 00:15:16,187 She killed three of her husbands, 308 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:18,223 as well as countless slaves. 309 00:15:18,227 --> 00:15:21,595 And to top it off, they say she's buried right here. 310 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,532 Is any of it true? 311 00:15:23,536 --> 00:15:24,635 Almost none of that's true. 312 00:15:24,637 --> 00:15:26,302 Really? 313 00:15:26,306 --> 00:15:28,106 Essentially, the Annie Palmer that people talk about, 314 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:30,111 the one that's supposedly buried here and that lived here, 315 00:15:30,114 --> 00:15:31,780 it was a composite of two different women 316 00:15:31,784 --> 00:15:34,351 who lived almost a century apart. 317 00:15:34,355 --> 00:15:35,820 Okay, so, who's the first woman? 318 00:15:35,823 --> 00:15:38,291 Well, the very first one was a woman named Rosa Kelly. 319 00:15:38,296 --> 00:15:41,033 The most interesting thing is that she had four husbands, 320 00:15:41,037 --> 00:15:42,536 and three of them died here on this property. 321 00:15:42,539 --> 00:15:45,240 She was on her fourth husband when she died. 322 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:47,148 Okay, so what happened to the previous husbands? 323 00:15:47,151 --> 00:15:49,349 The very first one is named Henry Fanning. 324 00:15:49,353 --> 00:15:51,484 He was married to her in 1746, 325 00:15:51,488 --> 00:15:53,655 and he died within six months. 326 00:15:53,659 --> 00:15:55,794 Okay. Do we know how he died? 327 00:15:55,798 --> 00:15:57,897 He died young. We don't know exactly how. 328 00:15:57,901 --> 00:16:00,095 You know, this is the tropics. This is, you know, the 1700s. 329 00:16:00,099 --> 00:16:03,101 People drop dead of malaria, all sorts of different things. 330 00:16:03,106 --> 00:16:04,505 Okay, so, people dying young wasn't uncommon. 331 00:16:04,508 --> 00:16:06,507 Exactly. Exactly. 332 00:16:06,511 --> 00:16:08,212 What about the second husband? Who was he? 333 00:16:08,215 --> 00:16:10,150 A man named George Ash. 334 00:16:10,154 --> 00:16:11,854 And how long does that marriage last? 335 00:16:11,857 --> 00:16:15,156 That marriage lasted two years, until he himself dies. 336 00:16:15,161 --> 00:16:16,627 Now, what about the third husband? 337 00:16:16,631 --> 00:16:18,197 The third husband was named Norwood Witter, 338 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,069 and he died 12 years after they married. 339 00:16:21,073 --> 00:16:23,072 Now, how do we know she didn't murder these people? 340 00:16:23,076 --> 00:16:24,643 Well, there's no record that she did. 341 00:16:24,647 --> 00:16:25,948 All right. 342 00:16:25,951 --> 00:16:27,886 So in-between her husbands, who's running the plantation? 343 00:16:27,889 --> 00:16:29,054 She was. 344 00:16:29,058 --> 00:16:31,492 This is the 1700s. 345 00:16:31,496 --> 00:16:32,631 I mean, this had to be some woman 346 00:16:32,634 --> 00:16:34,199 to take care of a plantation this big. 347 00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:35,267 Mm-hmm. 348 00:16:35,270 --> 00:16:36,804 You can see how some of the stories 349 00:16:36,807 --> 00:16:38,909 might have come about her being very strong-willed, 350 00:16:38,913 --> 00:16:41,280 you know, and an important person. 351 00:16:41,284 --> 00:16:43,382 Is it possible she's buried here, Rosa? 352 00:16:43,386 --> 00:16:44,886 No. That's not possible. 353 00:16:44,890 --> 00:16:45,990 Why is that? 354 00:16:45,993 --> 00:16:47,463 Because we know where she was buried. 355 00:16:47,466 --> 00:16:48,566 We have record. 356 00:16:48,569 --> 00:16:50,402 She's buried in St. James' Parish, 357 00:16:50,405 --> 00:16:52,037 which isn't too far from here. 358 00:16:52,041 --> 00:16:54,408 Okay, so the records show that she died in 1790. 359 00:16:54,412 --> 00:16:55,777 How old was she by then? 360 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:57,245 72. 361 00:16:57,248 --> 00:16:58,581 So this is not her? 362 00:16:58,585 --> 00:17:00,288 There may be somebody buried here, but it ain't her. 363 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,193 AMY: This lady is way back. 364 00:17:08,199 --> 00:17:15,366 I want to go back to, like... just like, 1700s? 365 00:17:15,375 --> 00:17:17,941 I'm seeing the powerful, angry woman again. 366 00:17:17,945 --> 00:17:20,716 And this time, she's telling me about her life. 367 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,854 She's very wealthy, 368 00:17:22,858 --> 00:17:26,458 and she's very in control and very powerful person, 369 00:17:26,463 --> 00:17:29,833 which is weird because she's a female 370 00:17:29,838 --> 00:17:32,270 and this is a long time ago. 371 00:17:32,275 --> 00:17:39,614 But, like, I feel like she owns like everything. 372 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,029 She's had her share of enemies, let me tell you, 373 00:17:47,036 --> 00:17:50,037 who have tried to kill her. 374 00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:52,942 So, you said the legend of this Annie Palmer 375 00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:54,179 is a combination of two women. 376 00:17:54,182 --> 00:17:55,948 All right, so, we got the first woman. 377 00:17:55,951 --> 00:17:57,283 What about the second one? 378 00:17:57,287 --> 00:17:59,520 The second one was actually named Annie Palmer. 379 00:17:59,524 --> 00:18:01,389 Okay, so there was an Annie Palmer. 380 00:18:01,392 --> 00:18:03,026 There was an Annie Palmer, 381 00:18:03,030 --> 00:18:04,262 but there's nothing, 382 00:18:04,265 --> 00:18:06,331 No part of that biography fits her. 383 00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,368 The only connection is to her name. 384 00:18:08,371 --> 00:18:10,704 So anything that the legend says has nothing to do 385 00:18:10,709 --> 00:18:12,109 with the real Annie Palmer. 386 00:18:12,112 --> 00:18:13,113 Essentially, yeah. 387 00:18:13,116 --> 00:18:14,982 All right, so, what do we know about her? 388 00:18:14,985 --> 00:18:18,790 Okay, so this is an image of Annie Palmer. 389 00:18:18,796 --> 00:18:20,799 Now, this is her or we think it's her? 390 00:18:20,802 --> 00:18:22,167 It's said to be of her. 391 00:18:22,171 --> 00:18:23,170 We don't know. 392 00:18:23,173 --> 00:18:24,539 It's a painting from that time. 393 00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:25,809 We know that she was originally English. 394 00:18:25,812 --> 00:18:27,211 She moved here in 1820. 395 00:18:27,214 --> 00:18:31,112 We know that her parents died when she was fairly young. 396 00:18:31,118 --> 00:18:33,719 Beyond that, she seems to have had 397 00:18:33,723 --> 00:18:36,360 a relatively uneventful upbringing. 398 00:18:36,364 --> 00:18:37,496 Okay, so, what happens with her? 399 00:18:37,499 --> 00:18:39,198 Her husband died in 1827. 400 00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:41,969 Three years later, she lost the title to the property. 401 00:18:41,973 --> 00:18:44,337 That was basically a year before the slave rebellion. 402 00:18:44,341 --> 00:18:45,875 After she lost the plantation, 403 00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:47,381 she moved to another part of the island, 404 00:18:47,384 --> 00:18:49,650 and she died in 1846. 405 00:18:49,654 --> 00:18:51,687 - And how old was she? - 34. 406 00:18:51,691 --> 00:18:52,991 - Okay. Was she murdered? - No. 407 00:18:52,994 --> 00:18:55,130 As far as we know, natural causes. 408 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,566 Is it possible she's in here? 409 00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:57,834 No, that's not possible. 410 00:18:57,837 --> 00:18:59,269 And how do we know that? 411 00:18:59,273 --> 00:19:00,773 Because we know where she was buried. 412 00:19:00,776 --> 00:19:01,776 We have record of that. 413 00:19:01,779 --> 00:19:02,912 Okay. 414 00:19:02,915 --> 00:19:05,280 So, she's in the same place... 415 00:19:05,284 --> 00:19:06,785 Yup... as Rosa. 416 00:19:06,788 --> 00:19:09,023 Yup. They're both in the same cemetery. 417 00:19:11,097 --> 00:19:12,864 Essentially, none of the stories 418 00:19:12,868 --> 00:19:14,868 of cruelty and sadism and black magic, 419 00:19:14,871 --> 00:19:17,237 all the bad things that people talk about her, 420 00:19:17,241 --> 00:19:19,375 had no relation to the real Annie Palmer. 421 00:19:19,379 --> 00:19:21,212 Okay. 422 00:19:21,216 --> 00:19:23,016 AMY: This crazy lady. 423 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:24,688 She's pretty important. 424 00:19:24,691 --> 00:19:26,292 It's like she's 1860s. 425 00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:31,797 She had a lot of losses, starting really early. 426 00:19:31,804 --> 00:19:38,639 This woman, she went crazy because he father died. 427 00:19:38,647 --> 00:19:41,148 Very attached, very attached to her father. 428 00:19:41,153 --> 00:19:42,350 Very attached. 429 00:19:42,353 --> 00:19:46,222 [Laughter] 430 00:19:46,227 --> 00:19:50,632 She seems... very not stable right now. 431 00:19:52,374 --> 00:19:55,345 Lots of darkness. 432 00:19:55,349 --> 00:19:57,720 A lot of darkness here. 433 00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:16,664 Ben mentioned a bloody slave rebellion in Montego Bay. 434 00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:19,267 I'm heading over to meet with a local professor 435 00:20:19,271 --> 00:20:20,804 who says the fighting came really close 436 00:20:20,808 --> 00:20:22,274 to the property I'm investigating. 437 00:20:29,892 --> 00:20:32,543 So, Nicole, you told me on the phone 438 00:20:32,547 --> 00:20:35,865 that the slave rebellion was the most important 439 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:39,571 and violent event that took place in Jamaican history. 440 00:20:39,576 --> 00:20:42,778 It was certainly one of the most important. 441 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:49,754 On December 27, 1831, this emancipation war started. 442 00:20:49,762 --> 00:20:53,197 This emancipation war would see 443 00:20:53,202 --> 00:20:57,855 60,000 enslaved Africans take arms 444 00:20:57,862 --> 00:21:00,145 against the colonial overlords, 445 00:21:00,149 --> 00:21:02,783 namely the white plantation masters. 446 00:21:02,787 --> 00:21:05,037 Okay, so what kind of a battle are we talking about? 447 00:21:05,041 --> 00:21:06,157 What would we have seen? 448 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,394 This was a guerrilla fight. 449 00:21:08,398 --> 00:21:09,597 Okay. 450 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,267 But it was also armed combat. 451 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,005 Occasionally, the fields were put on fire. 452 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:16,460 So, Nicole, let me ask you a question, 453 00:21:16,463 --> 00:21:18,046 as far as the property I'm investigating. 454 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:22,184 How close did this whole uprising get to it? 455 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:26,159 Palmyra Plantation, which was about two miles away, was burnt. 456 00:21:26,165 --> 00:21:30,000 So it was probably likely that the enslaved Africans, 457 00:21:30,005 --> 00:21:31,705 as well as the white management, 458 00:21:31,709 --> 00:21:33,041 if they couldn't see it, 459 00:21:33,044 --> 00:21:35,278 they could at least smell what was going on. 460 00:21:35,282 --> 00:21:37,182 So, how long does this rebellion last? 461 00:21:37,185 --> 00:21:39,018 It was actually 10 days. 462 00:21:39,022 --> 00:21:41,890 I'm sure a lot of people got killed on both sides. 463 00:21:41,895 --> 00:21:43,928 Not quite. 464 00:21:43,931 --> 00:21:46,598 You see, over 500 people we killed, 465 00:21:46,603 --> 00:21:50,338 and 14 of these individuals were white. 466 00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:52,343 Okay, so what did the plantation owners do 467 00:21:52,347 --> 00:21:54,014 after they stopped the rebellion? 468 00:21:54,017 --> 00:21:57,385 This was actually one of the most heart-rending part of it. 469 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,592 You see, innocent persons of color 470 00:22:01,598 --> 00:22:03,731 could easily be rounded up. 471 00:22:03,735 --> 00:22:07,637 312 were judicially executed. 472 00:22:07,642 --> 00:22:11,411 Several enslaved Africans were shot on the spot. 473 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:13,750 In fact, they executed so many people 474 00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,154 that the bodies would pile up. 475 00:22:15,157 --> 00:22:17,574 Eventually, slavery was abolished. 476 00:22:17,578 --> 00:22:19,595 When did that happen here? 477 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,466 The emancipation bill was passed. 478 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:26,505 By August 1, 1834, slavery ended. 479 00:22:31,688 --> 00:22:34,723 AMY: I'm seeing a lot of different things here. 480 00:22:34,727 --> 00:22:39,096 Like, first I'm feeling, like, all of this panic and distress. 481 00:22:39,102 --> 00:22:42,803 Someone's bleeding, bleeding, cut, stabbed. 482 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,778 It feels more like a stab, right here. 483 00:22:46,783 --> 00:22:48,149 Right here. 484 00:22:48,152 --> 00:22:51,987 This is a male, young male. 485 00:22:51,993 --> 00:22:53,993 Tongue ripped out. 486 00:22:53,996 --> 00:22:57,197 There's a lot of [Bleep] horrible things 487 00:22:57,202 --> 00:22:58,769 being done to people. 488 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,400 STEVE: Now that I know the truth about Annie Palmer 489 00:23:06,403 --> 00:23:07,619 and the bloody slave rebellion, 490 00:23:07,622 --> 00:23:09,221 I need to see if there's anything else 491 00:23:09,225 --> 00:23:11,192 that could help my case. 492 00:23:11,196 --> 00:23:12,812 So I'm at the local library. 493 00:23:15,888 --> 00:23:18,972 Searching for old records, I find a deadly rampage 494 00:23:18,976 --> 00:23:21,477 involving a man named Rudolph Franklin. 495 00:23:21,482 --> 00:23:24,283 It turns out, he lived on Rose Hall property. 496 00:23:24,287 --> 00:23:28,155 I'm heading over to meet a local Rastafarian activist 497 00:23:28,161 --> 00:23:30,128 who knows all about this deadly shoot-out. 498 00:23:30,131 --> 00:23:33,716 He told me the information he's got will be critical to my case. 499 00:23:40,217 --> 00:23:42,317 Mr. Ras Karbi, I appreciate you meeting me. 500 00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:45,288 Saw an article during my research 501 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:48,261 about a shoot-out between Rastafarians and police 502 00:23:48,265 --> 00:23:49,664 that was pretty deadly. 503 00:23:49,668 --> 00:23:51,285 When I looked at the research, 504 00:23:51,288 --> 00:23:53,071 everything came back to Rose Hall 505 00:23:53,075 --> 00:23:54,975 and the property I'm investigating. 506 00:23:54,978 --> 00:23:57,445 So I wanted to find out from you, 507 00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:58,916 if you knew exactly what happened. 508 00:23:58,919 --> 00:24:02,854 What actually took place was this guy, Rudolph Franklin, 509 00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,976 who used to live on the Rose Hall property 510 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:06,463 and he was a worker there. 511 00:24:06,467 --> 00:24:08,050 And he's gotten some land 512 00:24:08,053 --> 00:24:10,603 that he claimed that his father's given him. 513 00:24:10,607 --> 00:24:13,758 So there was a dispute because they want him off the land. 514 00:24:13,763 --> 00:24:15,647 Right, Rastas weren't welcome. 515 00:24:15,651 --> 00:24:17,067 Now, did he have any paperwork 516 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:18,853 documenting that he owned that property? 517 00:24:18,857 --> 00:24:20,423 Most Jamaicans didn't have paperwork 518 00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:21,959 that they owned any property. 519 00:24:21,962 --> 00:24:24,329 So, now, what happens in 1961, when the cops do eventually...? 520 00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:26,550 In 1961, a dispute developed. 521 00:24:26,554 --> 00:24:28,854 Rudolph Franklin had his machete, okay? 522 00:24:28,858 --> 00:24:30,308 He was on his property. 523 00:24:30,312 --> 00:24:32,545 And they told him to drop his machete. 524 00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:36,484 He perhaps refused to drop the machete, so he was shot. 525 00:24:36,489 --> 00:24:38,556 And they left him to die in the grass. 526 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,894 So, he survived the shooting. 527 00:24:40,898 --> 00:24:44,299 He decided to come back with a personal grudge 528 00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:45,971 or a personal revenge. 529 00:24:45,975 --> 00:24:48,575 So he got some friends together. 530 00:24:48,579 --> 00:24:49,612 So, they went to the gas station. 531 00:24:49,615 --> 00:24:51,548 Gas station's set on fire. Cops came. 532 00:24:51,551 --> 00:24:54,418 And there was a big clash 533 00:24:54,423 --> 00:24:58,525 between Franklin and his men and the policemen. 534 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:01,299 You know, what was the outcome of this whole, big mess? 535 00:25:01,303 --> 00:25:05,372 By the time it was over, eight people got killed. 536 00:25:05,378 --> 00:25:08,545 One was... Franklin himself got killed. 537 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:13,020 Two friends that he brought there, two policemen got shot. 538 00:25:13,025 --> 00:25:15,275 One that was assisting the police 539 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,080 also got hacked to death by Franklin's men. 540 00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:19,701 And two other bystanders. 541 00:25:23,177 --> 00:25:25,511 AMY: So there's two people. 542 00:25:25,516 --> 00:25:28,317 They're both lying on the ground. 543 00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:33,123 It's dark out. There's a fire that's burning. 544 00:25:33,129 --> 00:25:39,133 And there's a man who... is standing over them. 545 00:25:39,141 --> 00:25:42,242 And it's almost like a butchering, 546 00:25:42,246 --> 00:25:47,099 like you would butcher an animal, like he's being gutted. 547 00:25:59,747 --> 00:26:01,947 I saw several dead people during my walk, 548 00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:04,618 but the bizarre creatures guarding the dead outside 549 00:26:04,622 --> 00:26:07,957 pose the biggest threat. 550 00:26:07,962 --> 00:26:10,596 There were several trees, 551 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,451 and there were these things 552 00:26:13,456 --> 00:26:19,676 that were probably like 10 or 12 feet tall. 553 00:26:19,684 --> 00:26:23,553 Like a fly with no head. 554 00:26:23,558 --> 00:26:25,525 - And no face? - No face. 555 00:26:25,529 --> 00:26:30,498 It was dark... very, very dark. 556 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,440 Is this what you saw? 557 00:26:35,815 --> 00:26:38,315 Yes, that's what I saw. 558 00:26:58,432 --> 00:27:01,216 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 559 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:03,187 we're ready to reveal our findings 560 00:27:03,191 --> 00:27:06,392 to each other and our clients for the first time. 561 00:27:06,397 --> 00:27:08,030 Amy, I'd like you to meet Michael. 562 00:27:08,033 --> 00:27:11,868 Now, Michael gave up a banking job in New York a few years ago 563 00:27:11,874 --> 00:27:13,640 to come here and run this historic place, 564 00:27:13,643 --> 00:27:16,911 but he got a lot more than he bargained for. 565 00:27:16,916 --> 00:27:18,750 This is his mom, Mrs. Rollins. 566 00:27:18,754 --> 00:27:21,921 Back in 1965, her husband purchased this place. 567 00:27:21,926 --> 00:27:26,129 This is what it looked like when they purchased it. 568 00:27:26,134 --> 00:27:30,269 They spent years restoring it to what it is today. 569 00:27:30,275 --> 00:27:31,441 And this is Janique. 570 00:27:31,444 --> 00:27:34,645 She's an employee of Rose Hall. 571 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:37,184 And she's had more than her fair share of experiences. 572 00:27:37,188 --> 00:27:39,688 Now, Michael's the one that called us in. 573 00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:41,692 Activity's gotten really bad, 574 00:27:41,696 --> 00:27:42,862 and he wants to make sure 575 00:27:42,865 --> 00:27:44,331 he can continue on with the family legacy. 576 00:27:44,334 --> 00:27:48,036 So now that Amy knows a little bit about what's going on, 577 00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:50,409 I'm gonna have her describe what she saw on her walk. 578 00:27:50,413 --> 00:27:56,651 When I arrived, there was a lot of chaos that was happening. 579 00:27:56,658 --> 00:28:02,295 I immediately encountered a male who is bound by his leg, 580 00:28:02,302 --> 00:28:07,472 and he was telling me how he had been here for a long time. 581 00:28:07,479 --> 00:28:11,347 But he was someone who was treated really like an animal. 582 00:28:11,352 --> 00:28:14,220 Then, right after him, 583 00:28:14,225 --> 00:28:19,294 I saw people were lined up and then set on fire. 584 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,702 Then they were just kind of scattered and running, 585 00:28:22,707 --> 00:28:25,241 while they are engulfed in flames. 586 00:28:26,915 --> 00:28:31,751 I think that this happened a very, very long time ago. 587 00:28:31,757 --> 00:28:34,024 STEVE: That's pretty easy to explain. 588 00:28:34,028 --> 00:28:37,730 I mean, this place was a slave plantation back in the 1700s. 589 00:28:37,736 --> 00:28:41,204 At its peak, it had 500 slaves 590 00:28:41,209 --> 00:28:43,209 that lived, died, and were buried here. 591 00:28:43,213 --> 00:28:47,815 Now, you saw a lot of violence and a fire. 592 00:28:47,821 --> 00:28:49,071 Yeah. 593 00:28:49,074 --> 00:28:51,291 Now, it kind of sounds like you're talking about 594 00:28:51,295 --> 00:28:54,696 the slave rebellion that took place on December 27, 1831. 595 00:28:54,701 --> 00:28:57,068 Now, the slaves burnt down the plantation 596 00:28:57,072 --> 00:28:59,606 and took up arms to fight for their freedom. 597 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:01,410 Battle lasted 10 days. 598 00:29:01,414 --> 00:29:03,247 Slaves were crushed. 599 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:06,551 221 died during that 10-day battle. 600 00:29:06,556 --> 00:29:09,357 Only 14 of those 221 were white. 601 00:29:09,362 --> 00:29:12,430 Now, afterwards, the whites that were here were out for blood. 602 00:29:12,434 --> 00:29:14,434 They wind up rounding up any blacks 603 00:29:14,438 --> 00:29:17,539 they could find on the streets, threw them in jail, tried them, 604 00:29:17,544 --> 00:29:20,511 and 312 were executed. 605 00:29:20,516 --> 00:29:22,183 Even though the whites won that battle, 606 00:29:22,186 --> 00:29:23,352 they lost the war 607 00:29:23,355 --> 00:29:24,821 because slavery was abolished in 1834 here. 608 00:29:25,893 --> 00:29:30,892 Now, Janique, you had experiences with slaves. 609 00:29:30,997 --> 00:29:31,996 Yeah. 610 00:29:31,999 --> 00:29:33,832 Explain to Amy what you encountered. 611 00:29:33,835 --> 00:29:35,402 So, I went upstairs, 612 00:29:35,406 --> 00:29:37,139 and I was cleaning the commode. 613 00:29:37,142 --> 00:29:39,142 And there was a gentlemen behind me. 614 00:29:39,146 --> 00:29:40,312 You know, he's black. 615 00:29:40,315 --> 00:29:42,748 He had wounds on his skin, 616 00:29:42,752 --> 00:29:44,335 and he grabbed my hand. 617 00:29:44,339 --> 00:29:47,290 And he was saying, "Come with me." 618 00:29:47,294 --> 00:29:50,545 After a few minutes or so, there was a gentleman 619 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,201 coming from all corners of the house, 620 00:29:53,206 --> 00:29:55,273 about four of them, all slaves. 621 00:29:55,276 --> 00:29:56,809 It seems all wounded. 622 00:29:56,813 --> 00:30:02,083 I was afraid that I might have died or something. 623 00:30:05,445 --> 00:30:07,445 STEVE: So, what else happened on your walk? 624 00:30:07,449 --> 00:30:10,667 AMY: I encountered this one guy. 625 00:30:10,672 --> 00:30:12,639 This is his favorite area. 626 00:30:12,643 --> 00:30:21,750 He was very angry, a very forceful person. 627 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,162 This guy causes issues with, like, living people. 628 00:30:26,168 --> 00:30:29,169 You know? Has, like, tantrums. 629 00:30:29,173 --> 00:30:36,478 He'll, like, run into the wall and the door on purpose. 630 00:30:36,487 --> 00:30:40,056 You've had a lot of people telling you they hear footsteps? 631 00:30:40,061 --> 00:30:41,593 I've had people telling me 632 00:30:41,596 --> 00:30:43,596 that they'll be on the second floor. 633 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,834 And they'll hear things downstairs. 634 00:30:45,838 --> 00:30:47,938 There's a lot of activity, a lot of movement, 635 00:30:47,942 --> 00:30:50,242 and all of that without people really here. 636 00:30:50,246 --> 00:30:51,279 AMY: Mm-hmm. 637 00:30:51,282 --> 00:30:52,614 Yeah, that's how he operates. 638 00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:58,224 STEVE: So, what else did you see? 639 00:30:58,228 --> 00:31:00,895 There were two women that I encountered on my walk. 640 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:05,703 The first one was extremely old, very, very wealthy. 641 00:31:05,709 --> 00:31:09,344 She is from probably 1600s, 1700s. 642 00:31:09,349 --> 00:31:12,567 She was someone who was a decision-maker 643 00:31:12,572 --> 00:31:14,622 and could implement power, 644 00:31:14,626 --> 00:31:18,361 and from my knowledge, as a woman at that time, 645 00:31:18,366 --> 00:31:19,999 that didn't happen. 646 00:31:20,002 --> 00:31:22,569 She was in control. 647 00:31:22,574 --> 00:31:25,208 Now, you've heard stories for years, right, Mrs. Rollins, 648 00:31:25,212 --> 00:31:27,346 about people seeing an apparition of a woman. 649 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:28,382 Yes. 650 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,654 Michael, you had told me your daughter saw an apparition. 651 00:31:31,658 --> 00:31:33,024 Was it upstairs? 652 00:31:33,027 --> 00:31:35,561 Yeah, upstairs in the far bedroom, in the far corner. 653 00:31:35,565 --> 00:31:37,365 Which would be? 654 00:31:37,369 --> 00:31:38,735 - Annie's room. - Right. 655 00:31:38,738 --> 00:31:41,372 Now's probably a good time to tell Amy 656 00:31:41,376 --> 00:31:44,343 about the legend of Annie Palmer 657 00:31:44,348 --> 00:31:46,582 that everybody at this table believes is true 658 00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:49,687 and everybody in town does, including my cab driver. 659 00:31:49,692 --> 00:31:53,744 Supposedly, she was a tyrannical and sadistic slave owner 660 00:31:53,749 --> 00:31:55,799 who ruled with an iron fist. 661 00:31:55,803 --> 00:31:57,803 She murdered three of her husbands, 662 00:31:57,807 --> 00:32:01,042 as well as countless slaves. 663 00:32:01,047 --> 00:32:02,947 Apparently, she's also buried right here on the property. 664 00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:06,418 But, Amy, this is only the legend. 665 00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,290 I did my own research, 666 00:32:08,293 --> 00:32:09,926 and I'll tell you about it in a minute. 667 00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,165 Michael, tell Amy about the Annie Palmer tours 668 00:32:13,169 --> 00:32:14,435 you run at night. 669 00:32:14,439 --> 00:32:16,439 As of close to two years ago, 670 00:32:16,442 --> 00:32:18,208 we started doing tours at night. 671 00:32:18,212 --> 00:32:20,112 People started hearing things, 672 00:32:20,116 --> 00:32:22,283 feeling as if a presence was there. 673 00:32:22,287 --> 00:32:24,187 They've actually been touched. 674 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:25,973 And then, in the most extreme cases, 675 00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:27,760 people felt as if they were pushed. 676 00:32:27,763 --> 00:32:29,463 Are you doing reenactments? 677 00:32:29,467 --> 00:32:31,800 Yeah, there are aspects of reenactments. 678 00:32:31,804 --> 00:32:39,310 Are you doing any of... the bad stuff that happened? 679 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,119 I mean, we designed the night tour 680 00:32:41,122 --> 00:32:43,889 so that we could bring a story to life. 681 00:32:43,894 --> 00:32:46,295 We never dreamt the spirits would do it for us. 682 00:32:48,836 --> 00:32:52,171 STEVE: Now, who was the second woman you saw? 683 00:32:52,176 --> 00:32:55,544 The other woman that I met, who was younger, 684 00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:59,918 from around 1860, her family... extremely wealthy. 685 00:32:59,924 --> 00:33:02,191 She was very well-taken-care-of. 686 00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,562 She had definite father issues. 687 00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:08,285 I do think that people see her on the staircase. 688 00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:11,074 I think they would see her along the walls. 689 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,546 She does like to be felt. 690 00:33:13,550 --> 00:33:16,684 So she'll literally put her whole physical self 691 00:33:16,689 --> 00:33:18,689 around a person. 692 00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:22,028 Now, I think I can clear this stuff up. 693 00:33:22,032 --> 00:33:24,899 I talked to an expert who wrote about Rose Hall. 694 00:33:24,904 --> 00:33:27,438 He says the legend of Annie Palmer is mostly false. 695 00:33:33,286 --> 00:33:37,455 That legend may be the combination of two women 696 00:33:37,461 --> 00:33:39,161 that lived on this property at two different times. 697 00:33:40,934 --> 00:33:46,338 The first woman, Rosa Palmer, came here in 1746. 698 00:33:46,345 --> 00:33:48,545 Now, Rosa had four husbands, 699 00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:52,551 and three of them died right here on this property. 700 00:33:52,556 --> 00:33:55,257 There's no indication that any of them were murdered. 701 00:33:55,262 --> 00:33:57,062 She was also a very strong woman 702 00:33:57,065 --> 00:33:59,999 because she had to run the plantation in-between husbands. 703 00:34:00,004 --> 00:34:01,670 So, this is another aspect 704 00:34:01,674 --> 00:34:03,941 of what you said about the first woman. 705 00:34:03,945 --> 00:34:06,579 When she married her fourth husband, they built this house, 706 00:34:06,583 --> 00:34:08,483 and that's who he named it after. 707 00:34:08,487 --> 00:34:10,187 Her name was Rosa. They named it Rose Hall. 708 00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:14,092 Rosa Palmer died right here in Rose Hall in 1790, 709 00:34:14,098 --> 00:34:17,632 at the age of 72, but she's not buried here. 710 00:34:19,742 --> 00:34:24,611 Now, right here I have the burial records for Rosa Palmer. 711 00:34:24,617 --> 00:34:27,134 She's buried at the St. James Church, 712 00:34:27,138 --> 00:34:28,838 about nine miles from you. 713 00:34:32,432 --> 00:34:35,166 Now, the second woman... she was actually named Annie Palmer, 714 00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:37,771 but the similarities end there. 715 00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:40,143 According to the author I spoke to, 716 00:34:40,147 --> 00:34:43,848 this is supposed to be the only known image of Annie Palmer. 717 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,516 You said she had daddy issues. 718 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,869 Her father died young. 719 00:34:53,872 --> 00:34:55,539 She moved here in 1820. 720 00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:58,376 Her husband dies in 1827. 721 00:34:58,381 --> 00:35:02,016 Now, in 1846, Annie Palmer died sick and broke 722 00:35:02,021 --> 00:35:05,122 on another part of the island at the age of 34. 723 00:35:05,127 --> 00:35:07,127 Now, is that her buried outside there? No. 724 00:35:07,131 --> 00:35:09,298 I mean, I have another doc that says 725 00:35:09,301 --> 00:35:13,336 she's buried in the same church cemetery as Rosa. 726 00:35:13,342 --> 00:35:15,843 ROLLINS: I'm just shocked. 727 00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:19,182 It's a lot of information. 728 00:35:20,488 --> 00:35:21,921 The story's overwhelming. 729 00:35:21,925 --> 00:35:25,527 You can't change a legend. 730 00:35:25,532 --> 00:35:26,948 Let me ask you a question. You saw the two women, right? 731 00:35:26,951 --> 00:35:28,067 AMY: Yes. 732 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:31,705 Does this look like who you might've seen? 733 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:35,578 It does look similar to the needy lady. 734 00:35:37,187 --> 00:35:40,755 Obviously, there's a huge mystery here. 735 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,130 And I don't think that anyone is going to resolve this mystery. 736 00:35:46,137 --> 00:35:51,140 But from Steve's research that he presented, 737 00:35:51,147 --> 00:35:54,682 I need to just go with my gut. 738 00:35:54,687 --> 00:35:58,923 I think that this very strong, independent woman 739 00:35:58,928 --> 00:36:01,561 is possibly Rosa Palmer. 740 00:36:01,566 --> 00:36:05,335 I think the male that's here is probably 741 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,543 one of her former husbands that she may have killed. 742 00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:17,221 As for the younger female that I encountered, this female, 743 00:36:17,229 --> 00:36:22,833 possibly Annie Palmer because she had father issues, 744 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,775 and she is extraordinarily needy. 745 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:29,481 Well, I think we need to really take a close look 746 00:36:29,485 --> 00:36:31,151 at doing as much as we can 747 00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:33,589 in order to not provoke something 748 00:36:33,593 --> 00:36:35,209 that has the ability to be awful. 749 00:36:38,085 --> 00:36:42,704 One of the things that I find very concerning 750 00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:46,579 is what I encountered in the backyard. 751 00:36:46,585 --> 00:36:48,385 And the interesting thing was 752 00:36:48,388 --> 00:36:51,422 that there were guardians of the dead. 753 00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:56,915 These things said to me to stay back and not to come there. 754 00:36:57,939 --> 00:37:00,140 They're about 12 feet tall, 755 00:37:00,144 --> 00:37:04,880 black body, bizarre arms and legs. 756 00:37:04,886 --> 00:37:07,787 They're very odd-looking. 757 00:37:07,791 --> 00:37:10,958 So I did do a sketch of what I saw. 758 00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:12,797 I'm dying to see what these things look like. 759 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,482 Well, you weren't kidding when you said this is weird. 760 00:37:23,487 --> 00:37:26,154 This is what you got in your backyard, just so you know. 761 00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:27,826 Oh. 762 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:29,562 They're horrific. 763 00:37:29,566 --> 00:37:34,268 They're capable, really, of anything, including death. 764 00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:53,067 This is what you got in your backyard, just so you know. 765 00:37:53,169 --> 00:37:54,835 Oh. 766 00:37:54,838 --> 00:37:56,571 They're horrific. 767 00:37:56,575 --> 00:38:01,278 They're capable, really, of anything, including death. 768 00:38:09,699 --> 00:38:12,600 So, what do we need to do to make it all stop? 769 00:38:12,605 --> 00:38:16,641 The guardians... they're making sure 770 00:38:16,646 --> 00:38:21,265 that nothing bad happens to the dead that were unjustly killed. 771 00:38:22,891 --> 00:38:26,993 And if these dead people feel threatened, 772 00:38:26,999 --> 00:38:29,366 they would reach out to these guardians 773 00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:33,639 and allow them to protect them. 774 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:36,161 All right, well, I got to ask, 775 00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:39,518 I mean, you think his nighttime shows here 776 00:38:39,523 --> 00:38:40,722 are causing a problem? 777 00:38:40,725 --> 00:38:42,625 Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I'm nervous about that. 778 00:38:42,628 --> 00:38:44,995 Well, that makes me nervous, so... 779 00:38:44,999 --> 00:38:46,732 The picture that you just showed. 780 00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:52,876 STEVE: Well, Michael, you're a successful guy, 781 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,549 and I'm sure you got that way by tackling problems head on. 782 00:38:56,555 --> 00:38:59,389 And right now there's a problem here. 783 00:38:59,393 --> 00:39:02,427 So the big question is, can you keep your father's legacy alive 784 00:39:02,432 --> 00:39:05,400 while ensuring the safety of your employees, your guests, 785 00:39:05,405 --> 00:39:07,105 and your family? 786 00:39:07,108 --> 00:39:08,557 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy 787 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,526 and see what she can tell us. 788 00:39:12,585 --> 00:39:16,453 AMY: As far as the dead are concerned, 789 00:39:16,458 --> 00:39:18,625 I do believe that some of the reenactments 790 00:39:18,629 --> 00:39:20,696 probably need to cease. 791 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,466 It is causing them stress. 792 00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:26,773 So I think that that needs to be curtailed. 793 00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:28,477 So we want to make them as comfortable as possible 794 00:39:28,481 --> 00:39:31,049 until they're able to go on. 795 00:39:31,053 --> 00:39:34,688 But as far as the guardians are concerned, 796 00:39:34,693 --> 00:39:36,442 offerings need to be made. 797 00:39:37,865 --> 00:39:39,115 Maybe once a month, 798 00:39:39,118 --> 00:39:41,935 bringing flowers and putting them out there. 799 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:44,808 While you're doing this, all you're saying is, 800 00:39:44,812 --> 00:39:48,680 "I respect what you're doing. Thank you." 801 00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:50,403 That's it. 802 00:39:52,093 --> 00:39:54,793 STEVE: Now, what do they do about the two women you saw? 803 00:39:54,797 --> 00:39:58,032 Rosa Palmer, with her three husbands, 804 00:39:58,037 --> 00:40:01,472 bring in a medium to talk to her and say, you know, 805 00:40:01,477 --> 00:40:05,312 "Look, let's do this nice. 806 00:40:05,318 --> 00:40:06,600 "I can help you. 807 00:40:06,603 --> 00:40:09,488 I can help guide you to move on and this and this." 808 00:40:09,492 --> 00:40:10,891 I hope that goes well. 809 00:40:12,431 --> 00:40:15,565 All right, so now what about the second one with daddy issues? 810 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:22,142 Okay, so that person, who could possibly be Annie Palmer, 811 00:40:22,149 --> 00:40:27,268 I think that she actually will be the easiest person to go. 812 00:40:27,275 --> 00:40:28,625 She is looking for love. 813 00:40:28,628 --> 00:40:32,163 And I think that a medium who could connect with her 814 00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:35,769 would be able to talk to her, communicate with her 815 00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:37,975 and let her know that it's okay 816 00:40:37,978 --> 00:40:41,730 and that she'll be reunited with those that she's looking for 817 00:40:41,736 --> 00:40:44,453 and has always been looking for and lost. 818 00:40:44,457 --> 00:40:46,941 The male is honestly going to be 819 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:49,996 the most difficult person to remove. 820 00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:52,068 In order to remove him, 821 00:40:52,072 --> 00:40:58,493 you would need to have a priest come and do an exorcism. 822 00:40:59,954 --> 00:41:01,253 He is not budging. 823 00:41:01,256 --> 00:41:03,623 But I always thought an exorcism 824 00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:06,595 was the removal of the devil from a person. 825 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,534 An exorcism can be done 826 00:41:09,538 --> 00:41:15,008 when a dead person is refusing to leave. 827 00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,582 He's going to have be forcefully, 828 00:41:17,587 --> 00:41:19,520 unfortunately, removed. 829 00:41:19,523 --> 00:41:24,693 Now, to keep your father's legacy alive and to respect it, 830 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,901 are you gonna at least do what Amy tells you to do? 831 00:41:26,905 --> 00:41:29,989 We need to do that to protect people 832 00:41:29,994 --> 00:41:32,945 who are visiting at our invitation 833 00:41:32,949 --> 00:41:35,116 and our family and Dad's legacy. 834 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,484 So if that's what it takes to keep Rose Hall Great House, 835 00:41:39,588 --> 00:41:43,755 safe and alive... Then I think of course we'll do that. 836 00:41:43,859 --> 00:41:46,967 I think, we don't have choice. 837 00:41:49,876 --> 00:41:53,300 Presenting offering to these creatures shouldn't be taken lightly, 838 00:41:53,327 --> 00:41:55,327 as they pose a very serious danger. 839 00:41:55,353 --> 00:41:58,983 But I believe if Michael and his mother follow my advice, 840 00:41:59,086 --> 00:42:02,037 the dead will be set free, and his family�s legacy 841 00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:04,140 can continue safely for generations to come. 842 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:08,740 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 64372

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