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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,166 --> 00:00:13,802 He has oftentimes tried to destroy this house. 2 00:00:15,738 --> 00:00:18,209 This is not her house. 3 00:00:18,211 --> 00:00:20,216 He's a very violent person. 4 00:00:20,218 --> 00:00:23,093 It's like it's taking, you know, over her life. 5 00:00:23,095 --> 00:00:25,533 - What did the voice says? - [Whispers] "Leave." 6 00:00:25,535 --> 00:00:27,168 Her family was haunted. 7 00:00:27,170 --> 00:00:28,636 This is not good. 8 00:00:28,638 --> 00:00:32,678 There's a lot of chaotic energy, and he'll flip out. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,447 She's not okay. 10 00:00:34,449 --> 00:00:36,821 She's a disaster. 11 00:00:36,823 --> 00:00:39,560 "You're mine. You can't escape." 12 00:00:39,562 --> 00:00:41,897 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:41,899 --> 00:00:44,802 [Crying] What's happening? 14 00:00:44,804 --> 00:00:46,372 I see dead people. 15 00:00:46,374 --> 00:00:48,410 It seems like a devil. 16 00:00:48,412 --> 00:00:50,082 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:50,084 --> 00:00:51,718 He's pissed off. 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,153 And they speak to me. 19 00:00:53,155 --> 00:00:54,791 I felt real fear. 20 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:58,266 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:00:58,268 --> 00:00:59,939 I think she's being murdered. 22 00:00:59,941 --> 00:01:01,878 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,480 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 24 00:01:03,482 --> 00:01:05,150 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:06,885 Serial killer pops in my head. 26 00:01:06,887 --> 00:01:10,458 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 27 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:11,660 Nobody believes me. 28 00:01:11,662 --> 00:01:13,128 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:13,130 --> 00:01:15,397 - Do you think there's still bodies there? - I do. 30 00:01:15,399 --> 00:01:17,134 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:17,136 --> 00:01:19,171 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:19,173 --> 00:01:20,406 Until the very end. 33 00:01:20,408 --> 00:01:22,142 You got problems, I got news for you. 34 00:01:22,144 --> 00:01:24,348 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:26,420 This is our house... whether they like it or not. 36 00:01:26,422 --> 00:01:27,689 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:27,691 --> 00:01:30,762 This is their house, the house of the dead. 38 00:01:30,786 --> 00:01:36,166 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 39 00:01:45,518 --> 00:01:47,921 I'm back in Flint, Michigan. 40 00:01:47,923 --> 00:01:49,659 I got a call from a local sheriff 41 00:01:49,661 --> 00:01:51,763 who's literally scared for his mom's life, 42 00:01:51,765 --> 00:01:54,767 and he's not talking about street crime. 43 00:01:54,769 --> 00:01:56,102 He says there's something in the house 44 00:01:56,104 --> 00:01:57,305 that's really trying to hurt her, 45 00:01:57,307 --> 00:01:58,541 and he has no idea how to fight it. 46 00:01:58,543 --> 00:02:01,576 Hopefully, Amy and I can help him out. 47 00:02:08,090 --> 00:02:10,492 MATT: Before Amy arrives, 48 00:02:10,494 --> 00:02:14,029 I look for any leading information. 49 00:02:14,031 --> 00:02:17,369 This house is filled with photos and religious symbols. 50 00:02:18,974 --> 00:02:20,742 Once they're covered or removed, 51 00:02:20,744 --> 00:02:23,378 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 52 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,002 As soon as we pulled into the neighborhood, 53 00:02:41,004 --> 00:02:47,542 I feel horribly ill, dizzy, nauseous, 54 00:02:47,544 --> 00:02:49,509 panic, and this anxiety 55 00:02:49,511 --> 00:02:52,545 because of whatever happened here. 56 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:58,951 It definitely is very present, 57 00:02:58,953 --> 00:03:02,759 and my head is like [bleep] killing me, 58 00:03:02,761 --> 00:03:08,630 like, all the back of my head is just killing me. 59 00:03:10,803 --> 00:03:12,768 [Bleep] Ugh. 60 00:03:21,906 --> 00:03:24,009 STEVE: Well, Ryan, I'm glad to be here, 61 00:03:24,011 --> 00:03:26,111 especially knowing you're a fellow cop. 62 00:03:26,113 --> 00:03:28,112 - You called because of your mom. - Yes. 63 00:03:28,114 --> 00:03:29,980 And she's going through some tough times here. 64 00:03:29,982 --> 00:03:32,482 Correct. My mom lives here alone. 65 00:03:32,484 --> 00:03:35,285 She's had multiple things happen here, 66 00:03:35,287 --> 00:03:38,556 and it just seems to have gradually escalated, 67 00:03:38,558 --> 00:03:42,956 and she told me that every night something occurs, 68 00:03:42,958 --> 00:03:45,856 whether it's a noise, seeing apparitions, 69 00:03:45,858 --> 00:03:48,058 stuff getting thrown, 70 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:50,662 feeling like something's standing at the end of her bed, 71 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:53,967 something getting in the bed with her. 72 00:03:53,969 --> 00:03:55,003 I know my mom. 73 00:03:55,005 --> 00:03:57,174 If she says something's going on, 74 00:03:57,176 --> 00:03:59,979 I know something's legitimately going on. 75 00:03:59,981 --> 00:04:01,614 Now, how long has she been here? 76 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:03,016 Seven years. 77 00:04:03,018 --> 00:04:04,685 Did you ask her to move? 78 00:04:04,687 --> 00:04:06,790 No, because I know she couldn't. 79 00:04:06,792 --> 00:04:09,927 Financially, times aren't the best for anybody. 80 00:04:09,929 --> 00:04:11,062 So, let me ask you another question, 81 00:04:11,064 --> 00:04:12,430 what do you think is going on in this house? 82 00:04:12,432 --> 00:04:14,765 According to the neighbors, somebody passed away in here. 83 00:04:14,767 --> 00:04:16,000 - Okay. - Previous owner. 84 00:04:16,002 --> 00:04:18,168 And I think it's probably him. 85 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:20,235 I don't know much about it, 86 00:04:20,237 --> 00:04:23,870 but I could've researched what exactly happened here, 87 00:04:23,872 --> 00:04:25,305 obviously being in law enforcement... 88 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:26,708 - Right... - a lot more than I did. 89 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:30,144 And I guess that's because I didn't really want to know. 90 00:04:30,146 --> 00:04:32,145 Now, it's got to be tough for you 91 00:04:32,147 --> 00:04:33,279 knowing your mom's here alone. 92 00:04:33,281 --> 00:04:34,412 Yes. 93 00:04:34,414 --> 00:04:36,346 I mean, she's not comfortable in her house. 94 00:04:36,348 --> 00:04:38,749 You want to be comfortable when you come home from work. 95 00:04:38,751 --> 00:04:40,384 You want to feel safe. She doesn't. 96 00:04:40,386 --> 00:04:43,119 If my mom's not comfortable in her house, 97 00:04:43,121 --> 00:04:46,623 I don't feel comfortable bringing my wife who's pregnant 98 00:04:46,625 --> 00:04:48,323 and my baby in this house. 99 00:04:48,325 --> 00:04:52,529 There is definitely something here. 100 00:04:53,997 --> 00:04:58,567 Oh, there's something wrong with the [bleep] tree. 101 00:04:58,569 --> 00:04:59,601 MATT: What do you mean? 102 00:04:59,603 --> 00:05:00,869 Very bad things have happened. 103 00:05:00,871 --> 00:05:02,870 Several people have been injured. 104 00:05:04,673 --> 00:05:06,843 I feel like a kid got hurt, 105 00:05:06,845 --> 00:05:10,678 like, I'm actually seeing these weird things in the trees. 106 00:05:12,749 --> 00:05:16,285 They're walking around, breaking branches. 107 00:05:16,287 --> 00:05:20,522 I don't know if they're dead people or something else. 108 00:05:21,691 --> 00:05:24,758 They definitely can shape shift. 109 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,694 What's gonna scare you is what they're gonna show you. 110 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:31,262 Yeah. There's some creepy [bleep] 111 00:05:36,364 --> 00:05:39,166 Now, Ryan, why'd you bring me into this bedroom? 112 00:05:39,168 --> 00:05:42,406 Well, this is where I stayed for the couple of months 113 00:05:42,408 --> 00:05:44,008 that I lived here with my mother, 114 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:48,012 and this is where the situation occurred 115 00:05:48,014 --> 00:05:50,879 that started making me look into, you know, 116 00:05:50,881 --> 00:05:53,083 exactly what was going on here. 117 00:05:53,085 --> 00:05:54,318 Okay, what happened? 118 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,985 Well, I was sleeping, 119 00:05:55,987 --> 00:05:59,454 and then the next thing I know, woke up for 15 seconds. 120 00:05:59,456 --> 00:06:02,126 I was pinned down in my bed, 121 00:06:02,128 --> 00:06:03,626 and it was like I was paralyzed. 122 00:06:03,628 --> 00:06:04,893 I couldn't do anything. 123 00:06:04,895 --> 00:06:06,626 And I saw him holding me down. 124 00:06:06,628 --> 00:06:08,529 He was right in my face laughing, 125 00:06:08,531 --> 00:06:10,132 like, "I'm doing this to you, 126 00:06:10,134 --> 00:06:12,034 and you can't do anything about it." 127 00:06:12,036 --> 00:06:13,467 Okay, were you dreaming? 128 00:06:13,469 --> 00:06:14,767 No. 129 00:06:14,769 --> 00:06:17,201 I mean, I was clear-minded. I knew where I was at. 130 00:06:17,203 --> 00:06:19,102 Now, Ryan, after experiencing what you did, 131 00:06:19,104 --> 00:06:21,004 and knowing what your mom's going through, 132 00:06:21,006 --> 00:06:22,740 I mean, that's got to have you worried 133 00:06:22,742 --> 00:06:24,876 that every night she comes into the house alone. 134 00:06:24,878 --> 00:06:27,178 This is not her house. 135 00:06:31,084 --> 00:06:32,484 What the hell? 136 00:06:34,487 --> 00:06:37,019 I'm seeing, like, this guy. 137 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:40,890 He's, like, a big guy... 138 00:06:40,892 --> 00:06:45,330 built, tough... and he's naked, 139 00:06:45,332 --> 00:06:51,940 and he has, like, a crust all over his body. 140 00:06:53,477 --> 00:06:57,314 He told me that he was a convict and a felon. 141 00:06:59,116 --> 00:07:03,455 He definitely acts out a lot. 142 00:07:03,457 --> 00:07:09,527 The man does not like anyone in here. 143 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:12,598 Anybody in here is gonna get it. 144 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,066 And I do see him, like, coming up 145 00:07:15,068 --> 00:07:18,239 and, like, you know, just, like, bam! 146 00:07:18,241 --> 00:07:20,408 Bam! Over and over and over and over. 147 00:07:20,410 --> 00:07:23,610 He pretty much hated any... everyone when he was alive, 148 00:07:23,612 --> 00:07:25,212 and he hates everybody now. 149 00:07:25,214 --> 00:07:28,347 I think he's even lifted the bed. 150 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:32,084 To the living, 151 00:07:32,086 --> 00:07:38,088 it kind of looks like a big, black shadow entity, 152 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:43,496 you know, like, just looming and just [bleep] going nuts. 153 00:07:50,967 --> 00:07:53,237 Now, Cyndi, you're Dawn's younger sister. 154 00:07:53,239 --> 00:07:54,570 CYNDI: Yes. 155 00:07:54,572 --> 00:07:56,670 Now, you know your sister better than anybody, I would think. 156 00:07:56,672 --> 00:07:59,171 Have you seen any change in her? 157 00:07:59,173 --> 00:08:00,506 Yes. A lot. 158 00:08:00,508 --> 00:08:02,143 - In what way? - It's this home. 159 00:08:02,145 --> 00:08:04,712 It's like it's taking, you know, over her life, 160 00:08:04,714 --> 00:08:06,513 like a man takes over a woman's life... 161 00:08:06,515 --> 00:08:08,214 - Right. Right... - controlling man. 162 00:08:08,216 --> 00:08:11,350 And it doesn't want her to go anywhere. 163 00:08:11,352 --> 00:08:13,320 Okay, so, now, the obvious question I'm gonna ask you is, 164 00:08:13,322 --> 00:08:15,157 have you had any experiences while you've been here? 165 00:08:15,159 --> 00:08:16,225 Yes, I have. 166 00:08:16,227 --> 00:08:18,328 Well, Dawn and I were down here, 167 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:20,866 and I was standing, like, with my back 168 00:08:20,868 --> 00:08:22,468 towards the fire burner, 169 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:26,637 and I feel like a quick tug on my shirt. 170 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,174 Did you get caught up on anything? 171 00:08:29,176 --> 00:08:30,710 Were you moving or were you standing next to...? 172 00:08:30,712 --> 00:08:31,911 No, I was in the middle of the room. 173 00:08:31,913 --> 00:08:33,281 That's strange. 174 00:08:33,283 --> 00:08:35,452 Anything else? 175 00:08:35,454 --> 00:08:37,985 A couple months ago, I thought I saw a man 176 00:08:37,987 --> 00:08:40,289 standing at the bottom of the stairs. 177 00:08:40,291 --> 00:08:41,890 - Of these stairs? - Yes. 178 00:08:41,892 --> 00:08:43,390 Like, watching me come in. 179 00:08:43,392 --> 00:08:44,957 Okay, what did it look like? 180 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:47,328 It was just a shadow of a man. 181 00:08:47,330 --> 00:08:48,962 It was so dark, I couldn't see through it. 182 00:08:48,964 --> 00:08:50,463 I don't like it being here right now. 183 00:08:50,465 --> 00:08:51,463 Now, Dawn's here alone. 184 00:08:51,465 --> 00:08:52,931 I'm curious what your opinion is 185 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:55,466 as to whatever's here wants from her? 186 00:08:55,468 --> 00:08:56,866 Her. 187 00:08:56,868 --> 00:08:58,967 Her. Meaning? 188 00:08:58,969 --> 00:09:00,201 Soul. 189 00:09:00,203 --> 00:09:01,369 - Really? - Mm-hmm. 190 00:09:02,705 --> 00:09:04,539 All right. 191 00:09:05,975 --> 00:09:08,176 - Sorry. - It's okay. 192 00:09:08,567 --> 00:09:09,978 _ 193 00:09:09,979 --> 00:09:11,980 That's your sister. 194 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,122 Seeing that convict, this is his area. 195 00:09:23,124 --> 00:09:25,723 Oh, he's pretty physical, 196 00:09:25,725 --> 00:09:28,794 like, he's pretty... a solid person. 197 00:09:28,796 --> 00:09:31,598 I think they do feel him pulling people, 198 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,939 like, grabbing their arms, like, "Get over here!" 199 00:09:34,941 --> 00:09:36,440 or "I'm trying to talk to you!" 200 00:09:36,442 --> 00:09:38,541 He's like, "I'm good. I can do this." 201 00:09:38,543 --> 00:09:41,609 He has oftentimes tried to destroy this house, 202 00:09:41,611 --> 00:09:45,047 and then the walls won't be able to hold him anymore. 203 00:09:45,049 --> 00:09:46,481 How does he try to do that? 204 00:09:46,483 --> 00:09:50,322 Well, he was showing me with the oven and the gas... 205 00:09:50,324 --> 00:09:52,990 Yeah, like, I wouldn't want to be down here with that. 206 00:09:55,093 --> 00:09:58,329 And he was [bleep] around with gas. 207 00:10:19,101 --> 00:10:22,171 STEVE: So, I talked to your son. I talked to you sister. 208 00:10:22,173 --> 00:10:23,606 They're worried about you. 209 00:10:23,608 --> 00:10:26,310 Yeah. I'm not as outgoing and as happy as I used to be. 210 00:10:26,312 --> 00:10:28,747 I'm just getting so used to things going on 211 00:10:28,749 --> 00:10:30,683 that it's just, like, "Oh, it happened again," 212 00:10:30,685 --> 00:10:34,423 or I hear a noise, and it's like, "Okay, it's in here." 213 00:10:34,425 --> 00:10:37,059 So, do you think that whatever's here is controlling you? 214 00:10:37,061 --> 00:10:39,295 Probably. 215 00:10:39,297 --> 00:10:42,531 Your son don't want to bring his family here. 216 00:10:42,533 --> 00:10:45,535 And I just feel like whatever's here 217 00:10:45,537 --> 00:10:47,972 enjoys that, that way I'm by myself. 218 00:10:47,974 --> 00:10:49,876 I feel watched. 219 00:10:49,878 --> 00:10:51,678 I'm not alone. 220 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,247 I'm just with it, whatever's here. 221 00:10:54,249 --> 00:10:55,782 Now, knowing you've had experiences 222 00:10:55,784 --> 00:10:57,548 throughout the house, is there any place you can show me? 223 00:10:57,550 --> 00:10:58,983 Sure. Yeah. Okay. 224 00:10:58,985 --> 00:11:04,289 I don't spend time down here 'cause it gives me the creeps. 225 00:11:04,291 --> 00:11:07,424 What's going on? 226 00:11:07,426 --> 00:11:09,558 Well, I've heard a voice. 227 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,158 So, what did the voice say? 228 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,228 It said, [Whispers] "Leave." 229 00:11:15,230 --> 00:11:17,797 I left very quickly. 230 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:19,899 Could you tell if it was a male or a female voice? 231 00:11:19,901 --> 00:11:22,136 To me, it sounded like a man. 232 00:11:22,138 --> 00:11:23,571 Was it threatening? 233 00:11:23,573 --> 00:11:25,642 Yeah, to me, it felt threatening, 234 00:11:25,644 --> 00:11:28,012 when somebody tells you to leave your own home. 235 00:11:28,014 --> 00:11:29,211 Anything else? 236 00:11:29,213 --> 00:11:30,712 I was coming in from the garage, 237 00:11:30,714 --> 00:11:33,718 I heard a squeaky noise, and I looked down, 238 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,555 and I see my basement door opening. 239 00:11:36,557 --> 00:11:38,858 There was no wind, nothing, 240 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:42,497 and I saw it open halfway, it stopped. 241 00:11:42,499 --> 00:11:45,202 And I just ran out in the front yard and called my sister. 242 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,236 - Nobody was in the house, I assume? - No. 243 00:11:47,238 --> 00:11:49,505 Now, I notice that you're visibly more nervous 244 00:11:49,507 --> 00:11:51,108 talking inside the house here. 245 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:52,241 Oh, very nervous. 246 00:11:52,243 --> 00:11:54,844 I normally don't talk about it in the house, 247 00:11:54,846 --> 00:11:57,380 because I feel as if when I do, 248 00:11:57,382 --> 00:12:00,020 there's gonna be more activity at night. 249 00:12:00,022 --> 00:12:02,157 Okay, so you feel us talking about this inside the house 250 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:03,525 is gonna make things worse here? 251 00:12:03,527 --> 00:12:04,760 Oh, definitely tonight. 252 00:12:06,798 --> 00:12:09,466 AMY: So, I'm seeing a big guy. 253 00:12:09,468 --> 00:12:13,270 One thing that he likes to do, you know, like, slamming doors. 254 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:19,547 He'll flip out and he'll, like, throw a fit, 255 00:12:19,549 --> 00:12:22,016 and, like, you know, bashing himself, 256 00:12:22,018 --> 00:12:24,617 like, full body, like, into the walls. 257 00:12:27,882 --> 00:12:30,887 MATT: And that's something that the living would experience? 258 00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:32,156 Yeah. Yes. 259 00:12:32,158 --> 00:12:35,696 There's a lot of chaotic energy. 260 00:12:35,698 --> 00:12:38,766 He's very good at, like, 261 00:12:38,768 --> 00:12:40,535 throwing his [bleep] on other people. 262 00:12:40,537 --> 00:12:44,175 Like, in life he could hit them, you know, 263 00:12:44,177 --> 00:12:47,474 in death he can be as physical as he can be 264 00:12:47,476 --> 00:12:49,174 so, like, "Feel that. Take that. Feel that." 265 00:12:49,176 --> 00:12:51,075 He's really, really good at that. 266 00:12:57,376 --> 00:12:59,645 Okay. This is a storage room, I guess, right? 267 00:12:59,647 --> 00:13:01,047 This is my storage room. 268 00:13:01,049 --> 00:13:03,382 I only come in here when I need to get something out. 269 00:13:03,384 --> 00:13:04,449 What the hell is this? 270 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:06,684 Well, one day I came in, 271 00:13:06,686 --> 00:13:10,386 and I keep a bouquet of flowers in this box. 272 00:13:10,388 --> 00:13:12,386 Okay. And when I came in, 273 00:13:12,388 --> 00:13:14,856 one single flower from that bouquet 274 00:13:14,858 --> 00:13:16,625 was in the middle of the floor. 275 00:13:16,627 --> 00:13:18,596 So, could have somebody come down here and moved the flower? 276 00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:21,529 No. Nobody comes into the house. 277 00:13:21,531 --> 00:13:22,995 So, what's with the frames? 278 00:13:22,997 --> 00:13:26,267 It's Christian, and I just felt safer putting them there. 279 00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:28,468 When did this happen, a week... like, a couple days ago? 280 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:30,469 No, it's been at least three years. 281 00:13:30,471 --> 00:13:31,736 It's been like this for three years? 282 00:13:31,738 --> 00:13:32,805 Yeah, at least three years. 283 00:13:32,807 --> 00:13:34,076 And you've left it here on the floor? 284 00:13:34,078 --> 00:13:35,544 I left it on the floor. 285 00:13:35,546 --> 00:13:37,145 And if I ever come down here to get something, 286 00:13:37,147 --> 00:13:38,546 I just walk around it. 287 00:13:38,548 --> 00:13:39,878 Okay. 288 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,345 And what do you think the meaning of the flower was? 289 00:13:42,347 --> 00:13:43,747 That whatever's here, 290 00:13:43,749 --> 00:13:46,181 it's wanted me to accept the flower. 291 00:13:46,183 --> 00:13:47,947 And I said right out loud, 292 00:13:47,949 --> 00:13:50,414 "I am not accepting this flower. I'm leaving it right here." 293 00:13:53,686 --> 00:13:59,093 A woman is crying a lot down here. 294 00:13:59,095 --> 00:14:01,763 I think she's not okay. 295 00:14:03,163 --> 00:14:06,433 Mentally, she's not okay. 296 00:14:06,435 --> 00:14:09,335 She's a disaster. 297 00:14:09,337 --> 00:14:11,302 Very thin. 298 00:14:11,304 --> 00:14:13,570 She's decaying, 299 00:14:13,572 --> 00:14:15,973 and it hurts also in the back of the neck. 300 00:14:15,975 --> 00:14:17,909 It hurts. 301 00:14:17,911 --> 00:14:20,712 Ahh, and she said... Ow! [Bleep] 302 00:14:20,714 --> 00:14:23,579 Man, it hurts really [bleep] bad. 303 00:14:23,581 --> 00:14:25,414 [Laughs] Oh, my god. 304 00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:29,418 I don't know how old she is, mid-20s maybe. 305 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,586 Very depressed all the time. 306 00:14:31,588 --> 00:14:34,757 How would the living experience that? 307 00:14:37,525 --> 00:14:39,893 They would feel her. 308 00:14:39,895 --> 00:14:42,328 They would feel a lot of stress. 309 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:46,066 They would feel her get into bed with them, 310 00:14:46,068 --> 00:14:48,834 sleeping there, talking to them, 311 00:14:48,836 --> 00:14:52,473 touching, caressing, like petting almost, 312 00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:54,408 like petting them, and snuggling, 313 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:55,910 like, trying to snuggle up. 314 00:14:55,912 --> 00:14:58,114 She wants a mom and a dad. 315 00:15:04,687 --> 00:15:06,922 This is a very active room. 316 00:15:06,924 --> 00:15:08,357 Okay. What's going on? 317 00:15:08,359 --> 00:15:10,025 I was sleeping on my back, 318 00:15:10,027 --> 00:15:13,698 and something leaned over and gave me a kiss, 319 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,301 like it was a goodnight kiss. 320 00:15:16,303 --> 00:15:18,504 Not in a romantic way? 321 00:15:18,506 --> 00:15:20,036 Not in a romantic way at all. 322 00:15:20,038 --> 00:15:21,671 Anything else going on in here? 323 00:15:21,673 --> 00:15:23,306 When I'm sleeping, 324 00:15:23,308 --> 00:15:26,042 it will come and sit down on the bed, 325 00:15:26,044 --> 00:15:28,310 and I wake up because I can feel something 326 00:15:28,312 --> 00:15:30,179 going down on the bed... Okay. 327 00:15:30,181 --> 00:15:32,348 As if someone's sitting down on the bed. 328 00:15:32,350 --> 00:15:33,583 I just can't move. 329 00:15:33,585 --> 00:15:36,223 I'm trying everything, and I can't move. 330 00:15:36,225 --> 00:15:40,196 I've tried ignoring it 331 00:15:40,198 --> 00:15:42,764 I guess I can't ignore it anymore. 332 00:15:42,766 --> 00:15:44,965 I want my granddaughter to be able to spend the night. 333 00:15:44,967 --> 00:15:46,166 Doing these investigations 334 00:15:46,168 --> 00:15:48,102 for as long as I've been doing them now, 335 00:15:48,104 --> 00:15:50,838 everything you're describing to me, this is not good. 336 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,807 I'm glad your son called when he did. 337 00:15:53,809 --> 00:15:56,247 You know, putting your head in the sand doesn't help. 338 00:15:56,249 --> 00:15:59,148 Look, I've done it for what? 339 00:15:59,150 --> 00:16:00,550 It's almost six years now. 340 00:16:00,552 --> 00:16:02,888 Well, I hope you know that I believe what you're telling me. 341 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:05,226 Thank you. 342 00:16:07,363 --> 00:16:11,702 The depressed girl likes it in here a lot. 343 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:15,707 This is her bed... her bedroom. 344 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:17,374 She comes here. 345 00:16:17,376 --> 00:16:20,379 She likes to sleep on that side. 346 00:16:20,381 --> 00:16:25,924 She would like to just stay up here all the time, 347 00:16:25,926 --> 00:16:28,393 but she can't. 348 00:16:28,395 --> 00:16:31,960 She goes from the basement to here. 349 00:16:31,962 --> 00:16:33,628 She'll walk down the hallway, 350 00:16:33,630 --> 00:16:38,737 and I think that people have seen her walking in the hallway. 351 00:16:38,739 --> 00:16:42,540 But when the living come, she hangs on to them. 352 00:16:58,067 --> 00:17:00,265 STEVE: Yesterday Ryan told me 353 00:17:00,267 --> 00:17:02,536 he thought somebody passed away at his mom's home, 354 00:17:02,538 --> 00:17:05,771 so I made a few calls, and it turns out it's true. 355 00:17:05,773 --> 00:17:07,772 I'm on my way back to Dawn's place 356 00:17:07,774 --> 00:17:09,273 to meet the previous owner, 357 00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:11,538 who tells me her husband died unexpectedly 358 00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:12,772 right inside the house. 359 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:21,647 STEVE: Let me ask you a question. 360 00:17:21,649 --> 00:17:23,814 Are you a little sad being back here? 361 00:17:23,816 --> 00:17:25,480 Just feel kind of funny. 362 00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:28,183 Funny? I feel like crying. 363 00:17:28,185 --> 00:17:30,084 [Chuckles] 364 00:17:30,086 --> 00:17:31,818 How long did you guys live here for? 365 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:33,520 We lived here a couple of years. 366 00:17:33,522 --> 00:17:35,223 Do you remember the years that you were here? 367 00:17:35,225 --> 00:17:38,764 I think maybe around 2003. 368 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:41,100 He passed away in 2005. 369 00:17:41,102 --> 00:17:42,169 He died in the house? 370 00:17:42,171 --> 00:17:44,909 He died in the master bathroom. 371 00:17:44,911 --> 00:17:47,179 Was it sudden? 372 00:17:47,181 --> 00:17:48,280 Yeah. Very sudden. 373 00:17:48,282 --> 00:17:51,483 He was 52, I believe. 374 00:17:51,485 --> 00:17:54,322 - Okay. - I didn't find him right away. 375 00:17:54,324 --> 00:17:56,721 I was bringing in some of the groceries, 376 00:17:56,723 --> 00:17:58,155 and I thought it strange 377 00:17:58,157 --> 00:18:00,357 that he wasn't out there helping me. 378 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,326 It was just a little unnerving 379 00:18:03,328 --> 00:18:05,163 when I kept calling his name... 380 00:18:05,165 --> 00:18:06,733 Okay. 381 00:18:06,735 --> 00:18:08,501 And he never responded. 382 00:18:08,503 --> 00:18:10,302 I'm sorry to bring this up. 383 00:18:10,304 --> 00:18:12,473 It's okay. Okay? Yeah? 384 00:18:12,475 --> 00:18:13,809 - You okay? - Yeah. 385 00:18:13,811 --> 00:18:15,211 You sure? All right. 386 00:18:15,213 --> 00:18:16,312 I know this is tough, 387 00:18:16,314 --> 00:18:18,345 and I really appreciate you helping me. 388 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:19,745 Thank you. 389 00:18:19,747 --> 00:18:21,113 What did he do for a living? 390 00:18:21,115 --> 00:18:25,119 He was a career soldier, 23 1/2 years. 391 00:18:25,121 --> 00:18:26,455 This is a picture 392 00:18:26,457 --> 00:18:29,958 when my husband came home from the Gulf War. 393 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,861 What kind of guy was he? 394 00:18:31,863 --> 00:18:36,167 He was very fun-loving, he liked to be the clown. 395 00:18:36,169 --> 00:18:38,169 Go to family reunions. 396 00:18:38,171 --> 00:18:40,307 This is one photo that we had taken, 397 00:18:40,309 --> 00:18:43,313 I believe it was on one of our anniversaries in Hawaii. 398 00:18:43,315 --> 00:18:45,215 That's where we were stationed. 399 00:18:45,217 --> 00:18:48,619 I miss him a lot still. 400 00:18:48,621 --> 00:18:51,422 - I got to ask you an odd question. - Okay. 401 00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:53,057 When you did live here, 402 00:18:53,059 --> 00:18:55,494 did you ever have anything happen here 403 00:18:55,496 --> 00:18:58,231 that you experienced that you can't explain? 404 00:18:58,233 --> 00:18:59,265 Mm-hmm. Yes. 405 00:18:59,267 --> 00:19:00,398 - You did. - Definitely. 406 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,266 I always felt somebody was staring at me. 407 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:04,537 After he died, 408 00:19:04,539 --> 00:19:09,675 I could really feel like maybe he was the one. 409 00:19:09,677 --> 00:19:10,744 You think maybe he was here 410 00:19:10,746 --> 00:19:11,979 right after he died in the house? 411 00:19:11,981 --> 00:19:14,447 I think so. Just for a little while. 412 00:19:14,449 --> 00:19:16,349 It was a good feeling with that. 413 00:19:18,217 --> 00:19:21,889 AMY: I feel like there is another shadow entity, 414 00:19:21,891 --> 00:19:24,893 like, crawling down the hallway. 415 00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:26,531 It's, like, really fast. 416 00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:29,768 In military they train you, 417 00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:33,005 like that movement when they're crawling. 418 00:19:33,007 --> 00:19:37,241 It's, like, nighttime, somebody looking down the hall 419 00:19:37,243 --> 00:19:40,180 is seeing this thing coming at them like this. 420 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:48,621 He's confused about where he is. 421 00:19:48,623 --> 00:19:51,558 That's why I say military, 'cause it's almost like 422 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,959 he's doing tactical assessing, you know? 423 00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:56,260 Like he doesn't know he's in a house. 424 00:19:56,262 --> 00:19:57,862 MATT: Do you know if he interacts with the living? 425 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:02,000 I saw this kid seeing a shadow person 426 00:20:02,002 --> 00:20:03,669 crawling down the hallway. 427 00:20:03,671 --> 00:20:07,975 Was in a crib. 428 00:20:07,977 --> 00:20:11,279 Probably two or three years old. 429 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,880 STEVE: Now, in just about every investigation, 430 00:20:17,882 --> 00:20:19,380 I reach out to a local historian 431 00:20:19,382 --> 00:20:22,015 to see if they know anything about my client's property. 432 00:20:22,017 --> 00:20:24,318 I just got a call from a local archivist 433 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,186 who says he hit pay dirt. 434 00:20:26,188 --> 00:20:28,923 It seems the original owner of Dawn's land suffered a lot. 435 00:20:28,925 --> 00:20:30,758 I'm heading over to meet with him now 436 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,992 to see what he found out. 437 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:41,196 STEVE: Now, you mentioned on the phone 438 00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:43,364 that the original owners of my client's property 439 00:20:43,366 --> 00:20:44,628 had a rough go of it. 440 00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:46,097 What do you know about them? 441 00:20:46,099 --> 00:20:49,467 The Utley family came here around 1848 from New York State. 442 00:20:49,469 --> 00:20:51,135 More than likely, they're Methodist. 443 00:20:51,137 --> 00:20:53,737 John came out here with his wife, Lydia, and their four children. 444 00:20:53,739 --> 00:20:55,172 Well, you mentioned they had a tragic time on the land, 445 00:20:55,174 --> 00:20:56,508 what'd you mean? 446 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:59,212 Well, they had 16 grandchildren between the three sons. 447 00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:02,750 And six of them died fairly young, before age 15. 448 00:21:02,752 --> 00:21:04,452 - That's a lot. - That's quite a few. 449 00:21:04,454 --> 00:21:06,154 We do know that they had a set of twins, 450 00:21:06,156 --> 00:21:09,727 a boy and a girl, and they died at age one day, 451 00:21:09,729 --> 00:21:11,431 no cause of death listed. 452 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:12,800 Okay. 453 00:21:12,802 --> 00:21:14,802 And then a grandson, Clarence, 454 00:21:14,804 --> 00:21:19,410 who died at 15 years, 5 months from dropsy. 455 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:21,043 All right. What about the other three? 456 00:21:21,045 --> 00:21:23,178 We have no idea. They all died before death records. 457 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:25,783 Well, that's a lot of tragedy for just one family. 458 00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:26,918 Those weren't the only deaths. 459 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,521 The one daughter-in-law died at age 41. 460 00:21:29,523 --> 00:21:31,389 Now, Michael, you mentioned the original owners 461 00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:32,490 were John and Lydia. 462 00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:33,825 Now, what winded up happening to them? 463 00:21:33,827 --> 00:21:37,128 Lydia died in 1861. She was in her 60s. 464 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,631 Then John dies, 1874. He's 86. 465 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:42,132 We're talking about a lot of tragedy here. 466 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:45,835 Talking about six grandchildren, a daughter-in-law, 467 00:21:45,837 --> 00:21:48,706 and John and Lydia all dying on the property. 468 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:49,874 Yes, in a short period of time. 469 00:21:53,111 --> 00:21:57,051 AMY: I see this little woman. 470 00:21:57,053 --> 00:22:01,458 She's, like, very motherly... 471 00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:04,362 and very nurturing. 472 00:22:04,364 --> 00:22:11,071 She is thrilled that this is happening, 473 00:22:11,073 --> 00:22:14,442 which is strange, because she's religious. 474 00:22:14,444 --> 00:22:16,278 I want to say that she's Christian. 475 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,281 She's excited that we're here. 476 00:22:18,283 --> 00:22:22,417 I think she had several sons. 477 00:22:22,419 --> 00:22:27,890 She says that the family... her family was haunted. 478 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:32,060 She thought, "Oh, it's a family curse." 479 00:22:32,062 --> 00:22:33,862 I thought that they were demons 480 00:22:33,864 --> 00:22:37,066 and that the family was for some reason 481 00:22:37,068 --> 00:22:39,568 being haunted or tormented by these things 482 00:22:39,570 --> 00:22:40,967 through the generations. 483 00:22:40,969 --> 00:22:44,303 She was just hoping and praying 484 00:22:44,305 --> 00:22:46,405 that it wouldn't happen to her sons, 485 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:49,840 but now, you know, and now she feels bad, 486 00:22:49,842 --> 00:22:54,378 because it did, and it is, and it's not gonna stop. 487 00:23:07,837 --> 00:23:10,438 STEVE: I've already uncovered 10 people 488 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,109 who died on Dawn's property, 489 00:23:12,209 --> 00:23:14,509 eight of them way too young, 490 00:23:14,511 --> 00:23:16,780 but I still need to see if there's anything else 491 00:23:16,782 --> 00:23:18,447 that might help my investigation. 492 00:23:18,449 --> 00:23:20,913 Searching through the archives, 493 00:23:20,915 --> 00:23:23,250 I find one of Flint's most notorious criminals... 494 00:23:23,252 --> 00:23:25,121 Tommie Nesbitt. 495 00:23:25,123 --> 00:23:28,392 Turns out he lived right next door to my client's property. 496 00:23:30,062 --> 00:23:32,596 I don't know if it's gonna help my case or not, 497 00:23:32,598 --> 00:23:34,766 but I got to know more about it. 498 00:23:34,768 --> 00:23:36,938 I made some calls, and reached a retired detective 499 00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:39,440 who said he's gonna look into it for me. 500 00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,881 STEVE: So, Robert, what were you able to find out 501 00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:48,982 about this Tommie Nesbitt guy? 502 00:23:48,984 --> 00:23:50,383 He apparently likes to be in jail. 503 00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:51,383 Okay. 504 00:23:51,385 --> 00:23:53,888 He became a thief at the age of 12. 505 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,756 He was caught stealing from orchards 506 00:23:56,758 --> 00:23:59,094 adjacent to his neighborhood. 507 00:23:59,096 --> 00:24:00,629 I got to assume we're not sitting here 508 00:24:00,631 --> 00:24:02,799 because this kid just stole fruit. 509 00:24:02,801 --> 00:24:05,000 No. But the crimes increased and escalated. 510 00:24:05,002 --> 00:24:06,768 By the time he was 13, 511 00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:09,171 he was sent away to juvenile hall. 512 00:24:09,173 --> 00:24:14,072 His first prison time was for breaking into trains 513 00:24:14,074 --> 00:24:16,241 and stealing mittens and gloves. 514 00:24:16,243 --> 00:24:18,442 Once he got out of prison, did he straighten out? 515 00:24:18,444 --> 00:24:21,610 No. He continued to commit crimes. 516 00:24:21,612 --> 00:24:26,047 In 1904, Tommie robbed a hobo on one of the trains, 517 00:24:26,049 --> 00:24:29,184 and the train was moving, and during the robbery, 518 00:24:29,186 --> 00:24:30,819 the hobo fell off the train 519 00:24:30,821 --> 00:24:33,986 and eventually died from his injuries that he received. 520 00:24:33,988 --> 00:24:36,354 And he winds up in the fight, throwing him off the train? 521 00:24:36,356 --> 00:24:37,356 Yep. 522 00:24:37,358 --> 00:24:39,526 And Tommie was charged with robbery 523 00:24:39,528 --> 00:24:45,400 and sent to Marquette Prison for 5 to 25 years. 524 00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,270 He told the justice 525 00:24:47,272 --> 00:24:49,404 that he wanted to be a world-class bank robber. 526 00:24:50,952 --> 00:24:52,519 How much time does he wind up doing? 527 00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:53,719 Seven years. 528 00:24:53,721 --> 00:24:54,955 - Seven years. - Yes. 529 00:24:54,957 --> 00:24:56,157 All right, so do they parole him? 530 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,962 Well, his mother became sick at that time, 531 00:24:58,964 --> 00:25:02,436 and when he was in prison he learned he had tuberculosis, 532 00:25:02,438 --> 00:25:03,408 or TB. 533 00:25:03,508 --> 00:25:04,740 That was one of the reasons they sent him home, 534 00:25:04,742 --> 00:25:07,310 both his mother was sick and he was sick. 535 00:25:07,312 --> 00:25:09,614 They spent a lot of time talking about this kid, 536 00:25:09,616 --> 00:25:12,349 like he was a real famous criminal here. 537 00:25:12,351 --> 00:25:14,483 Well, he was famous. 538 00:25:14,485 --> 00:25:16,354 Some of the articles referred to it as, 539 00:25:16,356 --> 00:25:18,758 "Tommie's in jail again," or something, 540 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,992 but first name only. 541 00:25:19,994 --> 00:25:21,863 So, what winds up happening to this guy? 542 00:25:21,865 --> 00:25:23,064 Well, he came home. 543 00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:26,170 And 30 days after that or a month after that, 544 00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:28,842 his mother died from her disease. 545 00:25:28,844 --> 00:25:31,709 And in June of 1912, he died of TB. 546 00:25:31,711 --> 00:25:34,411 So, this kid was just born bad, basically? 547 00:25:34,413 --> 00:25:35,512 I would think so. 548 00:25:41,185 --> 00:25:44,454 AMY: I'm seeing the big violent guy again. 549 00:25:44,456 --> 00:25:48,323 This guy causes problems. 550 00:25:48,325 --> 00:25:53,026 He said he's a convict and a felon, and he has a gun. 551 00:25:53,028 --> 00:25:54,661 He's spinning the gun. 552 00:25:54,663 --> 00:25:58,198 And he's like, "Aw, sometimes you got to play the game." 553 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,099 This big guy is the most advanced 554 00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:02,068 and dangerous entity in the house. 555 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,105 I'm going back downstairs to see if I can get 556 00:26:05,107 --> 00:26:08,540 any more information about what he was like in life. 557 00:26:08,542 --> 00:26:10,977 He was a very violent person. 558 00:26:13,216 --> 00:26:15,350 He was always carrying a gun, 559 00:26:15,352 --> 00:26:17,717 you know, he always had to take care of business. 560 00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:31,702 I encountered a lot of dead people during my walk, 561 00:26:31,704 --> 00:26:34,676 but the dead woman interacting with the living 562 00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:36,248 concerns me the most. 563 00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:41,054 There's two people in the bed, and then there's a dead female 564 00:26:41,056 --> 00:26:43,791 who is in the bed in between them, 565 00:26:43,793 --> 00:26:49,229 but she's kind of cuddling the person to the left. 566 00:26:49,231 --> 00:26:52,528 She has long hair. She's pretty thin. 567 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:54,895 She has dark circles under her eyes, 568 00:26:54,897 --> 00:26:56,393 you know, sunken cheeks. 569 00:26:58,527 --> 00:27:00,526 MAN: Is this what you saw? 570 00:27:00,528 --> 00:27:03,995 Yes. That's what I saw. 571 00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:27,531 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 572 00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,066 we're ready to reveal our findings 573 00:27:29,068 --> 00:27:32,935 to each other and our clients for the first time. 574 00:27:32,937 --> 00:27:35,070 Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Dawn. 575 00:27:35,072 --> 00:27:36,307 This is her home. She lives here alone. 576 00:27:36,309 --> 00:27:38,911 Now, the reason we're here is 'cause her son Ryan 577 00:27:38,913 --> 00:27:41,779 and her sister Cyndi are really worried about her. 578 00:27:41,781 --> 00:27:43,280 She actually thinks that something in this house 579 00:27:43,282 --> 00:27:44,513 is trying to take her sister's soul. 580 00:27:45,581 --> 00:27:48,151 Now, when I spoke to Dawn, it seems like she was in denial, 581 00:27:48,153 --> 00:27:49,985 but the more I was talking to her, 582 00:27:49,987 --> 00:27:51,785 the more I think she's ready 583 00:27:51,787 --> 00:27:53,388 to face what's going on in this house, 584 00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:54,689 and meet it head-on and fight it. 585 00:27:54,691 --> 00:27:56,389 With that, I'm gonna have Amy tell us 586 00:27:56,391 --> 00:27:58,554 about what she saw on her walk. 587 00:28:02,625 --> 00:28:06,790 When I walked in the house, I saw an elderly woman. 588 00:28:06,792 --> 00:28:10,126 She is extremely religious. 589 00:28:10,128 --> 00:28:13,564 She's very motherly, very nurturing. 590 00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:15,230 She said that she had several sons, 591 00:28:15,232 --> 00:28:16,831 that she was very proud of them. 592 00:28:16,833 --> 00:28:19,402 But she did have a regret, 593 00:28:19,404 --> 00:28:22,737 and that was not telling her sons 594 00:28:22,739 --> 00:28:26,072 that she felt their family was being haunted by demons. 595 00:28:26,074 --> 00:28:29,378 And she didn't tell them 596 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:32,579 because she was praying that it wouldn't affect them. 597 00:28:32,581 --> 00:28:34,446 - It would go away. - Right. 598 00:28:34,448 --> 00:28:38,083 And she feels guilty because it ended up 599 00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:42,121 that they too were seeing and having experiences. 600 00:28:42,123 --> 00:28:46,257 Well, the only woman that comes even close to that 601 00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:48,460 is the original owner of your property. 602 00:28:48,462 --> 00:28:49,562 A woman named Lydia Utley. 603 00:28:49,564 --> 00:28:51,430 She had several sons, 604 00:28:51,432 --> 00:28:53,697 and she was a religious woman... she was Methodist. 605 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:56,965 But there was some tragedy in her family. 606 00:28:56,967 --> 00:28:59,336 I came across a whole bunch of death records 607 00:28:59,338 --> 00:29:01,205 for the entire family. 608 00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:02,807 - Wow. - Uh-huh. 609 00:29:02,809 --> 00:29:05,076 Now, the three sons that she did have 610 00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:10,447 all lost two kids each on this property. 611 00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:12,350 So she lost six grandchildren, 612 00:29:12,352 --> 00:29:14,353 five of them under the age of three. 613 00:29:14,355 --> 00:29:17,389 Now, one of the sons actually had a wife 614 00:29:17,391 --> 00:29:19,058 who died at the age of 41. 615 00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:20,961 His name was Asa. 616 00:29:20,963 --> 00:29:22,527 They all died on the property, the whole family did. 617 00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:23,729 Oh, my gosh. 618 00:29:25,933 --> 00:29:31,936 AMY: Next, I encountered a male who was tall and thin, 619 00:29:31,938 --> 00:29:36,809 and it seemed to me that he seemed lost and confused. 620 00:29:36,811 --> 00:29:40,146 Didn't really know he was, like, in a house. 621 00:29:40,148 --> 00:29:42,616 And he was crawling down the hall, 622 00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:46,288 and I think because of how he was doing what he was doing, 623 00:29:46,290 --> 00:29:50,559 he probably was military at some point. 624 00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:55,163 And also, I do think that it's very possible 625 00:29:55,165 --> 00:30:00,103 that the living might see him as a shadow person. 626 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,108 I was hoping this wasn't gonna happen, 627 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:06,146 but you guys knew that the previous homeowner died here. 628 00:30:06,148 --> 00:30:08,583 His name was Ron. 629 00:30:08,585 --> 00:30:12,122 I was able to talk to his wife and actually meet her in person. 630 00:30:12,124 --> 00:30:15,260 Patsy and Ron wind up moving into your house in 2003. 631 00:30:15,262 --> 00:30:17,727 Now, Ron wind up dying of a massive heart attack 632 00:30:17,729 --> 00:30:20,733 suddenly on December 17, 2005. 633 00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:23,103 Amy, you mentioned he may be a military guy, 634 00:30:23,105 --> 00:30:25,640 well, Ron wind up serving 23 years in the Army. 635 00:30:25,642 --> 00:30:28,209 This is him here. 636 00:30:28,211 --> 00:30:31,715 When I talked to her, she felt that she was still here 637 00:30:31,717 --> 00:30:33,148 'cause she stayed here two years after he passed. 638 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:37,318 What do you think about this guy? 639 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,958 I never encountered him here as a conscious entity. 640 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,159 So, he might have moved on then. 641 00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:46,995 Now, you guys have theories about this guy, 642 00:30:46,997 --> 00:30:49,929 so at least now you have an answer about what the deal was. 643 00:30:52,362 --> 00:30:53,528 So, what else? 644 00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:57,501 When I was in the basement, there was a male. 645 00:30:57,503 --> 00:31:00,103 - He is a fairly big guy, bald. - Oh, my gosh. 646 00:31:00,105 --> 00:31:04,973 And he's very solid for a dead person, 647 00:31:04,975 --> 00:31:07,810 and I saw him, like, banging up against the walls, 648 00:31:07,812 --> 00:31:10,176 like, just like throwing a fit. 649 00:31:10,178 --> 00:31:13,410 So, I feel he can be a physical threat. 650 00:31:13,412 --> 00:31:16,311 He doesn't want to be here anymore, 651 00:31:16,313 --> 00:31:19,284 but he is trapped here. 652 00:31:19,286 --> 00:31:24,488 Sometimes he'll be interacting with a living person here. 653 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:27,790 So, like, grabbing their arm or pulling them. 654 00:31:27,792 --> 00:31:29,926 So, he gets physical in the basement? 655 00:31:29,928 --> 00:31:31,264 Yeah. 656 00:31:31,266 --> 00:31:33,800 Well, you've been tugged, right? 657 00:31:33,802 --> 00:31:35,068 - Yes. - Tell Amy about that. 658 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:37,334 Dawn was showing me her basement, 659 00:31:37,336 --> 00:31:40,703 and I felt somebody grab the back of my sweater 660 00:31:40,705 --> 00:31:42,806 and tug on it. 661 00:31:42,808 --> 00:31:45,676 And I turned around and there was nothing there. 662 00:31:45,678 --> 00:31:47,742 And I was in the middle of the room. 663 00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:50,913 Now, tell Amy about the door incident. 664 00:31:50,915 --> 00:31:52,614 DAWN: I came home in the middle of the day, 665 00:31:52,616 --> 00:31:54,114 and I heard a noise, the creaking noise, 666 00:31:54,116 --> 00:31:58,786 and I looked down and saw the basement door opening. 667 00:31:58,788 --> 00:32:02,554 Didn't you see a shadow at the bottom of the stairs? 668 00:32:02,556 --> 00:32:04,088 I was coming in the back door, 669 00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:05,822 and out of the corner of my eye I saw a man 670 00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:07,624 standing at the bottom of the stairs looking up at me, 671 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:09,058 like, waiting for me. 672 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:10,959 What did he look like to you? 673 00:32:10,961 --> 00:32:13,829 He was just all... he was tall, big, 674 00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,369 and he just stood there like he was something, 675 00:32:16,371 --> 00:32:18,737 - that, "I am here. I'm the boss." - Mm-hmm. 676 00:32:18,739 --> 00:32:21,173 When I was upstairs, 677 00:32:21,175 --> 00:32:23,844 and I went into the guest bedroom, 678 00:32:23,846 --> 00:32:26,580 he was pissed. 679 00:32:26,582 --> 00:32:28,116 That's his area, 680 00:32:28,118 --> 00:32:30,452 and he does not like anybody in there. 681 00:32:30,454 --> 00:32:32,254 Basically, he said 682 00:32:32,256 --> 00:32:35,992 that anybody who comes in there is gonna get it. 683 00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:38,827 I do see him, like, coming up 684 00:32:38,829 --> 00:32:41,994 and, like, you know, just, like, bam! 685 00:32:41,996 --> 00:32:43,798 Bam! Over and over and over and over. 686 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,034 I think he's even lifted the bed. 687 00:32:47,036 --> 00:32:49,401 STEVE: Amy, the one thing I didn't mention to you 688 00:32:49,403 --> 00:32:52,103 is that Ryan here is actually a local cop. 689 00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:53,707 Now, being that he's a cop, 690 00:32:53,709 --> 00:32:56,076 I take his testimony a little bit more seriously. 691 00:32:56,078 --> 00:32:58,043 Why don't you tell Amy what happened 692 00:32:58,045 --> 00:32:59,478 in the guest bedroom to you? 693 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,281 It was about a 10- to 15-second situation... 694 00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:02,882 Okay. 695 00:33:02,884 --> 00:33:04,083 Where my hands were pinned... 696 00:33:04,085 --> 00:33:05,651 All right... up like this. 697 00:33:05,653 --> 00:33:06,985 Okay. 698 00:33:06,987 --> 00:33:10,524 He was looking at me, like, "I can do this to you... 699 00:33:10,526 --> 00:33:14,291 and I am doing this to you, and I'm gonna do it to you." 700 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:17,028 - That sound like the guy? - Yes. 701 00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:18,629 Do you know anything about him, like, when he was alive? 702 00:33:18,631 --> 00:33:21,030 He told me that he was a convict and a felon. 703 00:33:21,032 --> 00:33:23,334 Extremely violent and angry person. 704 00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:25,503 He kept showing me a gun 705 00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:29,742 that he always had on him, never left his side. 706 00:33:29,744 --> 00:33:32,978 And he kind of indicated to me 707 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:35,349 that he had done bad things with it. 708 00:33:35,351 --> 00:33:36,750 One guy comes to mind. 709 00:33:36,752 --> 00:33:38,485 I don't know if it fits or not, but it's the guy 710 00:33:38,487 --> 00:33:40,223 that lived right next door on your property. 711 00:33:40,225 --> 00:33:42,426 This guy named Tommie Nesbitt. 712 00:33:46,062 --> 00:33:48,567 Career criminal. He's all over the papers. 713 00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:50,570 I mean, every cop in the town knew him. 714 00:33:50,572 --> 00:33:52,339 He winds up doing burglaries on the trains 715 00:33:52,341 --> 00:33:55,009 that went through here, and then he robbed a hobo, 716 00:33:55,011 --> 00:33:58,213 a bum, and in the fight on the train 717 00:33:58,215 --> 00:34:01,283 he fell off the train, and the guy wind up dying. 718 00:34:01,285 --> 00:34:02,684 He went to jail for that, 719 00:34:02,686 --> 00:34:03,884 but they didn't charge him with the murder, 720 00:34:03,886 --> 00:34:05,018 they only charged him with the robbery. 721 00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:06,919 Now, he wind up only doing seven years, 722 00:34:06,921 --> 00:34:08,754 and they did pardon him, 723 00:34:08,756 --> 00:34:10,955 but two of the reasons were because he had TB, 724 00:34:10,957 --> 00:34:12,254 and his mother was dying. 725 00:34:12,256 --> 00:34:14,188 And when he was released, he wind up coming back here, 726 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:16,391 living with his mom right next door. 727 00:34:16,393 --> 00:34:18,493 Few months later he winds up dying of TB. 728 00:34:18,495 --> 00:34:20,960 He died in 1912. 729 00:34:20,962 --> 00:34:24,063 Kind of sounds like... 730 00:34:24,065 --> 00:34:26,265 - Uh-huh... - this guy. 731 00:34:26,267 --> 00:34:28,267 You're not gonna sleep well tonight. 732 00:34:28,269 --> 00:34:31,636 I haven't. I don't sleep well most of the time. 733 00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:33,104 - Anyways. - I've been ignoring it, 734 00:34:33,106 --> 00:34:35,506 just hoping it would go away on its own. 735 00:34:35,508 --> 00:34:38,680 Yeah. It's controlling her a little bit, I think. 736 00:34:39,582 --> 00:34:42,048 He's my biggest concern. 737 00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:45,386 He definitely does pose a real threat. 738 00:34:45,388 --> 00:34:47,990 I mean, in a physical sense. 739 00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:52,392 But he's fixated on getting out of here, 740 00:34:52,394 --> 00:34:56,332 and he thinks that the only way to do that 741 00:34:56,334 --> 00:34:59,600 at this point is that he wants to destroy the house. 742 00:34:59,602 --> 00:35:04,374 And what he was showing me was gas line and fire. 743 00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:09,575 He better hope I don't pass away any time soon. 744 00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:16,554 STEVE: Anything else? 745 00:35:16,556 --> 00:35:19,223 AMY: I went out into the backyard, 746 00:35:19,225 --> 00:35:21,692 and as soon as I walked out there, 747 00:35:21,694 --> 00:35:25,029 there were these really bad things 748 00:35:25,031 --> 00:35:28,097 that would cause accidents and problems 749 00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:29,829 and horrible things to happen to people. 750 00:35:29,831 --> 00:35:32,729 And what I saw was, like, 751 00:35:32,731 --> 00:35:38,338 all these, like, kind of shapes in the trees and the brush. 752 00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:43,307 They are shape-shifters, so they will project themselves 753 00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:46,477 in whatever manner will scare someone. 754 00:35:46,479 --> 00:35:47,844 It's really bad. 755 00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:50,581 They've caused a lot of accidents 756 00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,120 to happen to people here. 757 00:35:53,122 --> 00:35:55,122 Very bad things have happened to people here. 758 00:35:55,124 --> 00:35:57,323 Well, could that explain some of the deaths... 759 00:35:57,325 --> 00:35:58,993 the Utley's with their grandkids? 760 00:35:58,995 --> 00:36:00,263 That's what I'm thinking. 761 00:36:00,265 --> 00:36:03,500 Now, he won't bring his 18-month-old daughter here 762 00:36:03,502 --> 00:36:04,734 or his wife who's pregnant now. 763 00:36:04,736 --> 00:36:06,136 Yeah, no way. 764 00:36:06,138 --> 00:36:07,538 Yeah. 765 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,445 These things, they're capable of harming anyone. 766 00:36:19,687 --> 00:36:21,821 And I know it's got to be bothering you a little bit, 767 00:36:21,823 --> 00:36:22,955 knowing what's here now. 768 00:36:22,957 --> 00:36:24,622 Not a little bit, a lot. 769 00:36:25,923 --> 00:36:29,725 [Crying] I won't be able to have Amore here. 770 00:36:36,097 --> 00:36:39,304 So, I ended up going into the storage room. 771 00:36:39,306 --> 00:36:43,205 Sitting there was this frail woman. 772 00:36:43,207 --> 00:36:45,777 She... extremely depressed. 773 00:36:45,779 --> 00:36:49,847 I think that you would feel her stress and her sadness. 774 00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:53,016 So, what she does is she tries to come 775 00:36:53,018 --> 00:36:55,454 up to the master bedroom all the time. 776 00:36:55,456 --> 00:36:58,588 She wants to snuggle in the bed. 777 00:36:58,590 --> 00:37:00,259 She wants nurturing. 778 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:03,028 You know, I felt very much like she was acting like a child. 779 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:04,562 Don't you feel people get on your bed? 780 00:37:04,564 --> 00:37:06,362 DAWN: Right. 781 00:37:06,364 --> 00:37:08,199 But there's been times when I'm sleeping 782 00:37:08,201 --> 00:37:10,969 and I feel someone sitting on my bed. 783 00:37:10,971 --> 00:37:12,806 STEVE: She's had a lot of experiences. 784 00:37:12,808 --> 00:37:15,507 I mean, she's even had a kiss. 785 00:37:15,509 --> 00:37:17,476 I just felt someone knelt down 786 00:37:17,478 --> 00:37:18,643 and just gave me a kiss goodnight. 787 00:37:19,979 --> 00:37:21,210 You never told me that. 788 00:37:21,212 --> 00:37:23,111 Could that have been this girl trying to... 789 00:37:23,113 --> 00:37:25,110 Yes. 790 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:32,090 I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed. 791 00:38:08,593 --> 00:38:14,958 I did do a sketch of the girl laying in the bed. 792 00:38:36,102 --> 00:38:37,635 [Sighs] 793 00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:42,208 She looks very sad. 794 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,976 This looks like a male. 795 00:38:44,978 --> 00:38:47,245 What I saw was a male and a female. 796 00:38:47,247 --> 00:38:48,513 Okay. 797 00:38:48,515 --> 00:38:50,214 And her cuddling with the mommy and daddy figure, 798 00:38:50,216 --> 00:38:52,349 then she's doing with you, so... 799 00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:55,589 How does that make you feel, that you're not alone in bed? 800 00:38:55,591 --> 00:38:56,890 Not good. 801 00:38:58,728 --> 00:39:01,762 It's more than what I expected. 802 00:39:09,702 --> 00:39:11,970 Well, Dawn, it's a good thing you have a son 803 00:39:11,972 --> 00:39:14,238 that worries about you so much, 804 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,769 because if he didn't call us in when he did, 805 00:39:15,771 --> 00:39:17,370 we don't know what would have happened to you. 806 00:39:17,372 --> 00:39:19,105 Question is, can you have a safe home 807 00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:21,307 and make this the place you want to live in, 808 00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:23,240 and live comfortably? 809 00:39:23,242 --> 00:39:25,007 So, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 810 00:39:28,046 --> 00:39:32,050 For the things in the back, they're some type of elemental, 811 00:39:32,052 --> 00:39:35,456 and basically an elemental is a being 812 00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:38,160 that never was in human form. 813 00:39:38,162 --> 00:39:41,263 They're not supposed to be bad, 814 00:39:41,265 --> 00:39:46,205 but I've encountered quite a few, 815 00:39:46,207 --> 00:39:53,073 and I have seen them not be good towards living humans. 816 00:39:53,075 --> 00:39:55,844 So, I think that a shaman should be brought in, 817 00:39:55,846 --> 00:40:01,151 and having them do a ritual to set up a permanent boundary 818 00:40:01,153 --> 00:40:05,391 to keep those things at bay forever. 819 00:40:05,393 --> 00:40:08,558 Then you could bring the kids over. 820 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,726 The second thing is to have a psychic healer. 821 00:40:14,728 --> 00:40:19,361 So, this person needs to come and go down 822 00:40:19,363 --> 00:40:23,797 and talk to the girl in the storage room. 823 00:40:23,799 --> 00:40:27,703 Okay, so this'll get this poor kid out of here. 824 00:40:27,705 --> 00:40:29,971 Yes. 825 00:40:29,973 --> 00:40:32,541 So, now once that happens, will Dawn start feeling any better? 826 00:40:32,543 --> 00:40:33,710 Yeah. 827 00:40:33,712 --> 00:40:35,012 You won't get no more sitting on the bed, 828 00:40:35,014 --> 00:40:37,016 no more feeling depressed or isolated. 829 00:40:38,551 --> 00:40:44,022 And then, the third thing is hiring a male medium, 830 00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:46,692 who's a tough guy, to come in, 831 00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:52,465 and he is going to engage crazy guy. 832 00:40:52,467 --> 00:40:55,903 He's going to, basically, have to set this man straight, 833 00:40:55,905 --> 00:40:58,540 and move him on. 834 00:41:00,042 --> 00:41:01,943 The elderly woman, 835 00:41:01,945 --> 00:41:04,415 once everything has been dealt with 836 00:41:04,417 --> 00:41:08,318 and she doesn't feel like there's a threat anymore, 837 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,486 she'll leave. 838 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:12,555 So, you got three major steps, 839 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:14,922 but at the end of all of it, you have your house back. 840 00:41:14,924 --> 00:41:16,391 I mean, do you feel better, Dawn? 841 00:41:16,393 --> 00:41:17,994 I just didn't expect all this. 842 00:41:17,996 --> 00:41:22,495 I'm just overwhelmed. It's not a good feeling. 843 00:41:22,497 --> 00:41:26,232 I feel better. I mean, based upon what she said. 844 00:41:26,234 --> 00:41:28,902 I mean, if it's fixable. 845 00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:31,372 Something breaks and you can fix it. 846 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:35,044 That's the goal here, 847 00:41:35,046 --> 00:41:37,146 is for you to be happy in your own home, 848 00:41:37,148 --> 00:41:38,480 and for your grandchildren to come here 849 00:41:38,482 --> 00:41:40,415 and him feel okay about coming here. 850 00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:43,551 That is the goal. 851 00:41:43,553 --> 00:41:46,321 Sorry, Mom, that I haven't brought her over more. 852 00:41:46,323 --> 00:41:47,923 You weren't paranoid. 853 00:41:47,925 --> 00:41:50,891 You had a good reason, but we're gonna fix it. 854 00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,590 AMY: Dawn finally seems to understand 855 00:41:53,592 --> 00:41:56,156 just how active and dangerous her home is, 856 00:41:56,158 --> 00:41:59,326 but I believe if she follows my advice, 857 00:41:59,328 --> 00:42:01,563 she'll be able to live a peaceful life, 858 00:42:01,565 --> 00:42:04,064 where her family will feel safe visiting her. 859 00:42:04,114 --> 00:42:08,664 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 64881

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