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He has oftentimes tried
to destroy this house.
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This is not her house.
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He's a very violent person.
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It's like it's taking,
you know, over her life.
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- What did the voice says?
- [Whispers] "Leave."
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Her family was haunted.
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This is not good.
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There's a lot of chaotic energy,
and he'll flip out.
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She's not okay.
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She's a disaster.
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"You're mine. You can't escape."
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My name is Amy Allan.
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[Crying] What's happening?
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I see dead people.
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It seems like a devil.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's pissed off.
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And they speak to me.
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I felt real fear.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she's being murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Serial killer pops in my head.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Nobody believes me.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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- Do you think there's still bodies there?
- I do.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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You got problems, I got news for you.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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This is our house...
whether they like it or not.
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Or time to get out.
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This is their house, the house of the dead.
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I'm back in Flint, Michigan.
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I got a call from a local sheriff
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who's literally scared for his mom's life,
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and he's not talking about street crime.
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He says there's something in the house
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that's really trying to hurt her,
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and he has no idea how to fight it.
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Hopefully, Amy and I can help him out.
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MATT: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for any leading information.
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This house is filled with
photos and religious symbols.
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Once they're covered or removed,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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As soon as we pulled into the neighborhood,
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I feel horribly ill, dizzy, nauseous,
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panic, and this anxiety
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because of whatever happened here.
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It definitely is very present,
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and my head is like [bleep] killing me,
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like, all the back of my
head is just killing me.
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[Bleep] Ugh.
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STEVE: Well, Ryan, I'm glad to be here,
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especially knowing you're a fellow cop.
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- You called because of your mom.
- Yes.
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And she's going through
some tough times here.
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Correct. My mom lives here alone.
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She's had multiple things happen here,
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and it just seems to
have gradually escalated,
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and she told me that every
night something occurs,
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whether it's a noise, seeing apparitions,
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stuff getting thrown,
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feeling like something's
standing at the end of her bed,
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something getting in the bed with her.
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I know my mom.
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If she says something's going on,
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I know something's legitimately going on.
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Now, how long has she been here?
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Seven years.
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Did you ask her to move?
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No, because I know she couldn't.
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Financially,
times aren't the best for anybody.
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So, let me ask you another question,
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what do you think is going on in this house?
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According to the neighbors,
somebody passed away in here.
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- Okay.
- Previous owner.
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And I think it's probably him.
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I don't know much about it,
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but I could've researched
what exactly happened here,
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obviously being in law enforcement...
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- Right...
- a lot more than I did.
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And I guess that's because I
didn't really want to know.
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Now, it's got to be tough for you
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knowing your mom's here alone.
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Yes.
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I mean, she's not comfortable in her house.
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You want to be comfortable
when you come home from work.
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You want to feel safe. She doesn't.
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If my mom's not comfortable in her house,
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I don't feel comfortable
bringing my wife who's pregnant
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and my baby in this house.
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There is definitely something here.
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Oh, there's something wrong
with the [bleep] tree.
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MATT: What do you mean?
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Very bad things have happened.
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Several people have been injured.
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I feel like a kid got hurt,
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like, I'm actually seeing these
weird things in the trees.
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They're walking around, breaking branches.
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I don't know if they're dead
people or something else.
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They definitely can shape shift.
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What's gonna scare you is
what they're gonna show you.
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Yeah. There's some creepy [bleep]
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Now, Ryan,
why'd you bring me into this bedroom?
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Well, this is where I stayed
for the couple of months
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that I lived here with my mother,
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and this is where the situation occurred
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that started making me look into, you know,
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exactly what was going on here.
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Okay, what happened?
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Well, I was sleeping,
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and then the next thing I know,
woke up for 15 seconds.
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I was pinned down in my bed,
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and it was like I was paralyzed.
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I couldn't do anything.
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And I saw him holding me down.
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He was right in my face laughing,
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like, "I'm doing this to you,
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and you can't do anything about it."
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Okay, were you dreaming?
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No.
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I mean, I was clear-minded.
I knew where I was at.
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Now, Ryan, after experiencing what you did,
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and knowing what your mom's going through,
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I mean, that's got to have you worried
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that every night she comes
into the house alone.
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This is not her house.
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What the hell?
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I'm seeing, like, this guy.
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He's, like, a big guy...
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built, tough... and he's naked,
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and he has, like, a crust all over his body.
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He told me that he was
a convict and a felon.
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He definitely acts out a lot.
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The man does not like anyone in here.
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Anybody in here is gonna get it.
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And I do see him, like, coming up
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and, like, you know, just, like, bam!
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Bam! Over and over and over and over.
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He pretty much hated any...
everyone when he was alive,
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and he hates everybody now.
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I think he's even lifted the bed.
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To the living,
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it kind of looks like a big,
black shadow entity,
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you know, like,
just looming and just [bleep] going nuts.
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Now, Cyndi, you're Dawn's younger sister.
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CYNDI: Yes.
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Now, you know your sister better
than anybody, I would think.
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Have you seen any change in her?
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Yes. A lot.
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- In what way?
- It's this home.
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It's like it's taking,
you know, over her life,
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like a man takes over a woman's life...
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- Right. Right...
- controlling man.
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And it doesn't want her to go anywhere.
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Okay, so, now,
the obvious question I'm gonna ask you is,
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have you had any experiences
while you've been here?
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Yes, I have.
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Well, Dawn and I were down here,
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and I was standing, like, with my back
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towards the fire burner,
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and I feel like a quick tug on my shirt.
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Did you get caught up on anything?
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Were you moving or were
you standing next to...?
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No, I was in the middle of the room.
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That's strange.
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Anything else?
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A couple months ago, I thought I saw a man
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standing at the bottom of the stairs.
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- Of these stairs?
- Yes.
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Like, watching me come in.
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Okay, what did it look like?
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It was just a shadow of a man.
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It was so dark, I couldn't see through it.
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I don't like it being here right now.
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Now, Dawn's here alone.
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I'm curious what your opinion is
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as to whatever's here wants from her?
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Her.
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Her. Meaning?
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Soul.
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- Really?
- Mm-hmm.
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All right.
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- Sorry.
- It's okay.
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That's your sister.
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Seeing that convict, this is his area.
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Oh, he's pretty physical,
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like, he's pretty... a solid person.
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I think they do feel him pulling people,
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like, grabbing their arms,
like, "Get over here!"
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or "I'm trying to talk to you!"
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He's like, "I'm good. I can do this."
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He has oftentimes tried
to destroy this house,
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and then the walls won't be
able to hold him anymore.
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How does he try to do that?
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Well, he was showing me
with the oven and the gas...
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Yeah, like,
I wouldn't want to be down here with that.
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And he was [bleep] around with gas.
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STEVE: So, I talked to your son.
I talked to you sister.
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They're worried about you.
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Yeah. I'm not as outgoing
and as happy as I used to be.
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I'm just getting so used to things going on
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that it's just, like,
"Oh, it happened again,"
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or I hear a noise, and it's like,
"Okay, it's in here."
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So, do you think that whatever's
here is controlling you?
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Probably.
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Your son don't want to
bring his family here.
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And I just feel like whatever's here
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enjoys that, that way I'm by myself.
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I feel watched.
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I'm not alone.
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I'm just with it, whatever's here.
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Now, knowing you've had experiences
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throughout the house,
is there any place you can show me?
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Sure. Yeah. Okay.
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I don't spend time down here
'cause it gives me the creeps.
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What's going on?
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Well, I've heard a voice.
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So, what did the voice say?
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It said, [Whispers] "Leave."
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I left very quickly.
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Could you tell if it was
a male or a female voice?
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To me, it sounded like a man.
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Was it threatening?
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Yeah, to me, it felt threatening,
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when somebody tells you
to leave your own home.
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Anything else?
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I was coming in from the garage,
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I heard a squeaky noise, and I looked down,
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and I see my basement door opening.
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There was no wind, nothing,
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and I saw it open halfway, it stopped.
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And I just ran out in the front
yard and called my sister.
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- Nobody was in the house, I assume?
- No.
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Now, I notice that you're
visibly more nervous
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talking inside the house here.
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Oh, very nervous.
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I normally don't talk about it in the house,
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because I feel as if when I do,
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there's gonna be more activity at night.
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Okay, so you feel us talking
about this inside the house
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is gonna make things worse here?
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Oh, definitely tonight.
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AMY: So, I'm seeing a big guy.
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One thing that he likes to do,
you know, like, slamming doors.
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He'll flip out and he'll, like, throw a fit,
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and, like, you know, bashing himself,
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like, full body, like, into the walls.
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MATT: And that's something that
the living would experience?
258
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Yeah. Yes.
259
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There's a lot of chaotic energy.
260
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He's very good at, like,
261
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throwing his [bleep] on other people.
262
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Like, in life he could hit them, you know,
263
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in death he can be as physical as he can be
264
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so, like, "Feel that. Take that. Feel that."
265
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He's really, really good at that.
266
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Okay.
This is a storage room, I guess, right?
267
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This is my storage room.
268
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I only come in here when I
need to get something out.
269
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What the hell is this?
270
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Well, one day I came in,
271
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and I keep a bouquet of flowers in this box.
272
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Okay. And when I came in,
273
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one single flower from that bouquet
274
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was in the middle of the floor.
275
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So, could have somebody come
down here and moved the flower?
276
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No. Nobody comes into the house.
277
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So, what's with the frames?
278
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It's Christian,
and I just felt safer putting them there.
279
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When did this happen,
a week... like, a couple days ago?
280
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No, it's been at least three years.
281
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It's been like this for three years?
282
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Yeah, at least three years.
283
00:13:32,807 --> 00:13:34,076
And you've left it here on the floor?
284
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I left it on the floor.
285
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And if I ever come down
here to get something,
286
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I just walk around it.
287
00:13:38,548 --> 00:13:39,878
Okay.
288
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,345
And what do you think the
meaning of the flower was?
289
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That whatever's here,
290
00:13:43,749 --> 00:13:46,181
it's wanted me to accept the flower.
291
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And I said right out loud,
292
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"I am not accepting this flower.
I'm leaving it right here."
293
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A woman is crying a lot down here.
294
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I think she's not okay.
295
00:14:03,163 --> 00:14:06,433
Mentally, she's not okay.
296
00:14:06,435 --> 00:14:09,335
She's a disaster.
297
00:14:09,337 --> 00:14:11,302
Very thin.
298
00:14:11,304 --> 00:14:13,570
She's decaying,
299
00:14:13,572 --> 00:14:15,973
and it hurts also in the back of the neck.
300
00:14:15,975 --> 00:14:17,909
It hurts.
301
00:14:17,911 --> 00:14:20,712
Ahh, and she said... Ow! [Bleep]
302
00:14:20,714 --> 00:14:23,579
Man, it hurts really [bleep] bad.
303
00:14:23,581 --> 00:14:25,414
[Laughs] Oh, my god.
304
00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:29,418
I don't know how old she is, mid-20s maybe.
305
00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:31,586
Very depressed all the time.
306
00:14:31,588 --> 00:14:34,757
How would the living experience that?
307
00:14:37,525 --> 00:14:39,893
They would feel her.
308
00:14:39,895 --> 00:14:42,328
They would feel a lot of stress.
309
00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:46,066
They would feel her get into bed with them,
310
00:14:46,068 --> 00:14:48,834
sleeping there, talking to them,
311
00:14:48,836 --> 00:14:52,473
touching, caressing, like petting almost,
312
00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:54,408
like petting them, and snuggling,
313
00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:55,910
like, trying to snuggle up.
314
00:14:55,912 --> 00:14:58,114
She wants a mom and a dad.
315
00:15:04,687 --> 00:15:06,922
This is a very active room.
316
00:15:06,924 --> 00:15:08,357
Okay. What's going on?
317
00:15:08,359 --> 00:15:10,025
I was sleeping on my back,
318
00:15:10,027 --> 00:15:13,698
and something leaned
over and gave me a kiss,
319
00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,301
like it was a goodnight kiss.
320
00:15:16,303 --> 00:15:18,504
Not in a romantic way?
321
00:15:18,506 --> 00:15:20,036
Not in a romantic way at all.
322
00:15:20,038 --> 00:15:21,671
Anything else going on in here?
323
00:15:21,673 --> 00:15:23,306
When I'm sleeping,
324
00:15:23,308 --> 00:15:26,042
it will come and sit down on the bed,
325
00:15:26,044 --> 00:15:28,310
and I wake up because I can feel something
326
00:15:28,312 --> 00:15:30,179
going down on the bed... Okay.
327
00:15:30,181 --> 00:15:32,348
As if someone's sitting down on the bed.
328
00:15:32,350 --> 00:15:33,583
I just can't move.
329
00:15:33,585 --> 00:15:36,223
I'm trying everything, and I can't move.
330
00:15:36,225 --> 00:15:40,196
I've tried ignoring it
331
00:15:40,198 --> 00:15:42,764
I guess I can't ignore it anymore.
332
00:15:42,766 --> 00:15:44,965
I want my granddaughter to
be able to spend the night.
333
00:15:44,967 --> 00:15:46,166
Doing these investigations
334
00:15:46,168 --> 00:15:48,102
for as long as I've been doing them now,
335
00:15:48,104 --> 00:15:50,838
everything you're describing to me,
this is not good.
336
00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,807
I'm glad your son called when he did.
337
00:15:53,809 --> 00:15:56,247
You know,
putting your head in the sand doesn't help.
338
00:15:56,249 --> 00:15:59,148
Look, I've done it for what?
339
00:15:59,150 --> 00:16:00,550
It's almost six years now.
340
00:16:00,552 --> 00:16:02,888
Well, I hope you know that I
believe what you're telling me.
341
00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:05,226
Thank you.
342
00:16:07,363 --> 00:16:11,702
The depressed girl likes it in here a lot.
343
00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:15,707
This is her bed... her bedroom.
344
00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:17,374
She comes here.
345
00:16:17,376 --> 00:16:20,379
She likes to sleep on that side.
346
00:16:20,381 --> 00:16:25,924
She would like to just
stay up here all the time,
347
00:16:25,926 --> 00:16:28,393
but she can't.
348
00:16:28,395 --> 00:16:31,960
She goes from the basement to here.
349
00:16:31,962 --> 00:16:33,628
She'll walk down the hallway,
350
00:16:33,630 --> 00:16:38,737
and I think that people have
seen her walking in the hallway.
351
00:16:38,739 --> 00:16:42,540
But when the living come,
she hangs on to them.
352
00:16:58,067 --> 00:17:00,265
STEVE: Yesterday Ryan told me
353
00:17:00,267 --> 00:17:02,536
he thought somebody passed
away at his mom's home,
354
00:17:02,538 --> 00:17:05,771
so I made a few calls,
and it turns out it's true.
355
00:17:05,773 --> 00:17:07,772
I'm on my way back to Dawn's place
356
00:17:07,774 --> 00:17:09,273
to meet the previous owner,
357
00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:11,538
who tells me her husband died unexpectedly
358
00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:12,772
right inside the house.
359
00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:21,647
STEVE: Let me ask you a question.
360
00:17:21,649 --> 00:17:23,814
Are you a little sad being back here?
361
00:17:23,816 --> 00:17:25,480
Just feel kind of funny.
362
00:17:25,482 --> 00:17:28,183
Funny? I feel like crying.
363
00:17:28,185 --> 00:17:30,084
[Chuckles]
364
00:17:30,086 --> 00:17:31,818
How long did you guys live here for?
365
00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:33,520
We lived here a couple of years.
366
00:17:33,522 --> 00:17:35,223
Do you remember the
years that you were here?
367
00:17:35,225 --> 00:17:38,764
I think maybe around 2003.
368
00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:41,100
He passed away in 2005.
369
00:17:41,102 --> 00:17:42,169
He died in the house?
370
00:17:42,171 --> 00:17:44,909
He died in the master bathroom.
371
00:17:44,911 --> 00:17:47,179
Was it sudden?
372
00:17:47,181 --> 00:17:48,280
Yeah. Very sudden.
373
00:17:48,282 --> 00:17:51,483
He was 52, I believe.
374
00:17:51,485 --> 00:17:54,322
- Okay.
- I didn't find him right away.
375
00:17:54,324 --> 00:17:56,721
I was bringing in some of the groceries,
376
00:17:56,723 --> 00:17:58,155
and I thought it strange
377
00:17:58,157 --> 00:18:00,357
that he wasn't out there helping me.
378
00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,326
It was just a little unnerving
379
00:18:03,328 --> 00:18:05,163
when I kept calling his name...
380
00:18:05,165 --> 00:18:06,733
Okay.
381
00:18:06,735 --> 00:18:08,501
And he never responded.
382
00:18:08,503 --> 00:18:10,302
I'm sorry to bring this up.
383
00:18:10,304 --> 00:18:12,473
It's okay. Okay? Yeah?
384
00:18:12,475 --> 00:18:13,809
- You okay?
- Yeah.
385
00:18:13,811 --> 00:18:15,211
You sure? All right.
386
00:18:15,213 --> 00:18:16,312
I know this is tough,
387
00:18:16,314 --> 00:18:18,345
and I really appreciate you helping me.
388
00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:19,745
Thank you.
389
00:18:19,747 --> 00:18:21,113
What did he do for a living?
390
00:18:21,115 --> 00:18:25,119
He was a career soldier, 23 1/2 years.
391
00:18:25,121 --> 00:18:26,455
This is a picture
392
00:18:26,457 --> 00:18:29,958
when my husband came home from the Gulf War.
393
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,861
What kind of guy was he?
394
00:18:31,863 --> 00:18:36,167
He was very fun-loving,
he liked to be the clown.
395
00:18:36,169 --> 00:18:38,169
Go to family reunions.
396
00:18:38,171 --> 00:18:40,307
This is one photo that we had taken,
397
00:18:40,309 --> 00:18:43,313
I believe it was on one of
our anniversaries in Hawaii.
398
00:18:43,315 --> 00:18:45,215
That's where we were stationed.
399
00:18:45,217 --> 00:18:48,619
I miss him a lot still.
400
00:18:48,621 --> 00:18:51,422
- I got to ask you an odd question.
- Okay.
401
00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:53,057
When you did live here,
402
00:18:53,059 --> 00:18:55,494
did you ever have anything happen here
403
00:18:55,496 --> 00:18:58,231
that you experienced that you can't explain?
404
00:18:58,233 --> 00:18:59,265
Mm-hmm. Yes.
405
00:18:59,267 --> 00:19:00,398
- You did.
- Definitely.
406
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,266
I always felt somebody was staring at me.
407
00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:04,537
After he died,
408
00:19:04,539 --> 00:19:09,675
I could really feel like
maybe he was the one.
409
00:19:09,677 --> 00:19:10,744
You think maybe he was here
410
00:19:10,746 --> 00:19:11,979
right after he died in the house?
411
00:19:11,981 --> 00:19:14,447
I think so. Just for a little while.
412
00:19:14,449 --> 00:19:16,349
It was a good feeling with that.
413
00:19:18,217 --> 00:19:21,889
AMY:
I feel like there is another shadow entity,
414
00:19:21,891 --> 00:19:24,893
like, crawling down the hallway.
415
00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:26,531
It's, like, really fast.
416
00:19:27,366 --> 00:19:29,768
In military they train you,
417
00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:33,005
like that movement when they're crawling.
418
00:19:33,007 --> 00:19:37,241
It's, like, nighttime,
somebody looking down the hall
419
00:19:37,243 --> 00:19:40,180
is seeing this thing
coming at them like this.
420
00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:48,621
He's confused about where he is.
421
00:19:48,623 --> 00:19:51,558
That's why I say military,
'cause it's almost like
422
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,959
he's doing tactical assessing, you know?
423
00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:56,260
Like he doesn't know he's in a house.
424
00:19:56,262 --> 00:19:57,862
MATT: Do you know if he
interacts with the living?
425
00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:02,000
I saw this kid seeing a shadow person
426
00:20:02,002 --> 00:20:03,669
crawling down the hallway.
427
00:20:03,671 --> 00:20:07,975
Was in a crib.
428
00:20:07,977 --> 00:20:11,279
Probably two or three years old.
429
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,880
STEVE: Now,
in just about every investigation,
430
00:20:17,882 --> 00:20:19,380
I reach out to a local historian
431
00:20:19,382 --> 00:20:22,015
to see if they know anything
about my client's property.
432
00:20:22,017 --> 00:20:24,318
I just got a call from a local archivist
433
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,186
who says he hit pay dirt.
434
00:20:26,188 --> 00:20:28,923
It seems the original owner
of Dawn's land suffered a lot.
435
00:20:28,925 --> 00:20:30,758
I'm heading over to meet with him now
436
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,992
to see what he found out.
437
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:41,196
STEVE: Now, you mentioned on the phone
438
00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:43,364
that the original owners
of my client's property
439
00:20:43,366 --> 00:20:44,628
had a rough go of it.
440
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:46,097
What do you know about them?
441
00:20:46,099 --> 00:20:49,467
The Utley family came here
around 1848 from New York State.
442
00:20:49,469 --> 00:20:51,135
More than likely, they're Methodist.
443
00:20:51,137 --> 00:20:53,737
John came out here with his wife,
Lydia, and their four children.
444
00:20:53,739 --> 00:20:55,172
Well, you mentioned they had
a tragic time on the land,
445
00:20:55,174 --> 00:20:56,508
what'd you mean?
446
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:59,212
Well, they had 16 grandchildren
between the three sons.
447
00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:02,750
And six of them died fairly
young, before age 15.
448
00:21:02,752 --> 00:21:04,452
- That's a lot.
- That's quite a few.
449
00:21:04,454 --> 00:21:06,154
We do know that they had a set of twins,
450
00:21:06,156 --> 00:21:09,727
a boy and a girl,
and they died at age one day,
451
00:21:09,729 --> 00:21:11,431
no cause of death listed.
452
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:12,800
Okay.
453
00:21:12,802 --> 00:21:14,802
And then a grandson, Clarence,
454
00:21:14,804 --> 00:21:19,410
who died at 15 years, 5 months from dropsy.
455
00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:21,043
All right. What about the other three?
456
00:21:21,045 --> 00:21:23,178
We have no idea.
They all died before death records.
457
00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:25,783
Well, that's a lot of tragedy
for just one family.
458
00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:26,918
Those weren't the only deaths.
459
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,521
The one daughter-in-law died at age 41.
460
00:21:29,523 --> 00:21:31,389
Now, Michael,
you mentioned the original owners
461
00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:32,490
were John and Lydia.
462
00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:33,825
Now, what winded up happening to them?
463
00:21:33,827 --> 00:21:37,128
Lydia died in 1861. She was in her 60s.
464
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,631
Then John dies, 1874. He's 86.
465
00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:42,132
We're talking about a lot of tragedy here.
466
00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:45,835
Talking about six grandchildren,
a daughter-in-law,
467
00:21:45,837 --> 00:21:48,706
and John and Lydia all
dying on the property.
468
00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:49,874
Yes, in a short period of time.
469
00:21:53,111 --> 00:21:57,051
AMY: I see this little woman.
470
00:21:57,053 --> 00:22:01,458
She's, like, very motherly...
471
00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:04,362
and very nurturing.
472
00:22:04,364 --> 00:22:11,071
She is thrilled that this is happening,
473
00:22:11,073 --> 00:22:14,442
which is strange, because she's religious.
474
00:22:14,444 --> 00:22:16,278
I want to say that she's Christian.
475
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,281
She's excited that we're here.
476
00:22:18,283 --> 00:22:22,417
I think she had several sons.
477
00:22:22,419 --> 00:22:27,890
She says that the family...
her family was haunted.
478
00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:32,060
She thought, "Oh, it's a family curse."
479
00:22:32,062 --> 00:22:33,862
I thought that they were demons
480
00:22:33,864 --> 00:22:37,066
and that the family was for some reason
481
00:22:37,068 --> 00:22:39,568
being haunted or tormented by these things
482
00:22:39,570 --> 00:22:40,967
through the generations.
483
00:22:40,969 --> 00:22:44,303
She was just hoping and praying
484
00:22:44,305 --> 00:22:46,405
that it wouldn't happen to her sons,
485
00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:49,840
but now, you know, and now she feels bad,
486
00:22:49,842 --> 00:22:54,378
because it did, and it is,
and it's not gonna stop.
487
00:23:07,837 --> 00:23:10,438
STEVE: I've already uncovered 10 people
488
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,109
who died on Dawn's property,
489
00:23:12,209 --> 00:23:14,509
eight of them way too young,
490
00:23:14,511 --> 00:23:16,780
but I still need to see
if there's anything else
491
00:23:16,782 --> 00:23:18,447
that might help my investigation.
492
00:23:18,449 --> 00:23:20,913
Searching through the archives,
493
00:23:20,915 --> 00:23:23,250
I find one of Flint's most
notorious criminals...
494
00:23:23,252 --> 00:23:25,121
Tommie Nesbitt.
495
00:23:25,123 --> 00:23:28,392
Turns out he lived right next
door to my client's property.
496
00:23:30,062 --> 00:23:32,596
I don't know if it's
gonna help my case or not,
497
00:23:32,598 --> 00:23:34,766
but I got to know more about it.
498
00:23:34,768 --> 00:23:36,938
I made some calls,
and reached a retired detective
499
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:39,440
who said he's gonna look into it for me.
500
00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,881
STEVE: So, Robert,
what were you able to find out
501
00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:48,982
about this Tommie Nesbitt guy?
502
00:23:48,984 --> 00:23:50,383
He apparently likes to be in jail.
503
00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:51,383
Okay.
504
00:23:51,385 --> 00:23:53,888
He became a thief at the age of 12.
505
00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,756
He was caught stealing from orchards
506
00:23:56,758 --> 00:23:59,094
adjacent to his neighborhood.
507
00:23:59,096 --> 00:24:00,629
I got to assume we're not sitting here
508
00:24:00,631 --> 00:24:02,799
because this kid just stole fruit.
509
00:24:02,801 --> 00:24:05,000
No. But the crimes increased and escalated.
510
00:24:05,002 --> 00:24:06,768
By the time he was 13,
511
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:09,171
he was sent away to juvenile hall.
512
00:24:09,173 --> 00:24:14,072
His first prison time was
for breaking into trains
513
00:24:14,074 --> 00:24:16,241
and stealing mittens and gloves.
514
00:24:16,243 --> 00:24:18,442
Once he got out of prison,
did he straighten out?
515
00:24:18,444 --> 00:24:21,610
No. He continued to commit crimes.
516
00:24:21,612 --> 00:24:26,047
In 1904,
Tommie robbed a hobo on one of the trains,
517
00:24:26,049 --> 00:24:29,184
and the train was moving,
and during the robbery,
518
00:24:29,186 --> 00:24:30,819
the hobo fell off the train
519
00:24:30,821 --> 00:24:33,986
and eventually died from his
injuries that he received.
520
00:24:33,988 --> 00:24:36,354
And he winds up in the fight,
throwing him off the train?
521
00:24:36,356 --> 00:24:37,356
Yep.
522
00:24:37,358 --> 00:24:39,526
And Tommie was charged with robbery
523
00:24:39,528 --> 00:24:45,400
and sent to Marquette
Prison for 5 to 25 years.
524
00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,270
He told the justice
525
00:24:47,272 --> 00:24:49,404
that he wanted to be a
world-class bank robber.
526
00:24:50,952 --> 00:24:52,519
How much time does he wind up doing?
527
00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:53,719
Seven years.
528
00:24:53,721 --> 00:24:54,955
- Seven years.
- Yes.
529
00:24:54,957 --> 00:24:56,157
All right, so do they parole him?
530
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,962
Well, his mother became sick at that time,
531
00:24:58,964 --> 00:25:02,436
and when he was in prison he
learned he had tuberculosis,
532
00:25:02,438 --> 00:25:03,408
or TB.
533
00:25:03,508 --> 00:25:04,740
That was one of the
reasons they sent him home,
534
00:25:04,742 --> 00:25:07,310
both his mother was sick and he was sick.
535
00:25:07,312 --> 00:25:09,614
They spent a lot of time
talking about this kid,
536
00:25:09,616 --> 00:25:12,349
like he was a real famous criminal here.
537
00:25:12,351 --> 00:25:14,483
Well, he was famous.
538
00:25:14,485 --> 00:25:16,354
Some of the articles referred to it as,
539
00:25:16,356 --> 00:25:18,758
"Tommie's in jail again," or something,
540
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,992
but first name only.
541
00:25:19,994 --> 00:25:21,863
So, what winds up happening to this guy?
542
00:25:21,865 --> 00:25:23,064
Well, he came home.
543
00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:26,170
And 30 days after that
or a month after that,
544
00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:28,842
his mother died from her disease.
545
00:25:28,844 --> 00:25:31,709
And in June of 1912, he died of TB.
546
00:25:31,711 --> 00:25:34,411
So, this kid was just born bad, basically?
547
00:25:34,413 --> 00:25:35,512
I would think so.
548
00:25:41,185 --> 00:25:44,454
AMY: I'm seeing the big violent guy again.
549
00:25:44,456 --> 00:25:48,323
This guy causes problems.
550
00:25:48,325 --> 00:25:53,026
He said he's a convict and a felon,
and he has a gun.
551
00:25:53,028 --> 00:25:54,661
He's spinning the gun.
552
00:25:54,663 --> 00:25:58,198
And he's like, "Aw,
sometimes you got to play the game."
553
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,099
This big guy is the most advanced
554
00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:02,068
and dangerous entity in the house.
555
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:05,105
I'm going back downstairs
to see if I can get
556
00:26:05,107 --> 00:26:08,540
any more information about
what he was like in life.
557
00:26:08,542 --> 00:26:10,977
He was a very violent person.
558
00:26:13,216 --> 00:26:15,350
He was always carrying a gun,
559
00:26:15,352 --> 00:26:17,717
you know,
he always had to take care of business.
560
00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:31,702
I encountered a lot of
dead people during my walk,
561
00:26:31,704 --> 00:26:34,676
but the dead woman
interacting with the living
562
00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:36,248
concerns me the most.
563
00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:41,054
There's two people in the bed,
and then there's a dead female
564
00:26:41,056 --> 00:26:43,791
who is in the bed in between them,
565
00:26:43,793 --> 00:26:49,229
but she's kind of cuddling
the person to the left.
566
00:26:49,231 --> 00:26:52,528
She has long hair. She's pretty thin.
567
00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:54,895
She has dark circles under her eyes,
568
00:26:54,897 --> 00:26:56,393
you know, sunken cheeks.
569
00:26:58,527 --> 00:27:00,526
MAN: Is this what you saw?
570
00:27:00,528 --> 00:27:03,995
Yes. That's what I saw.
571
00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:27,531
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
572
00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,066
we're ready to reveal our findings
573
00:27:29,068 --> 00:27:32,935
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
574
00:27:32,937 --> 00:27:35,070
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Dawn.
575
00:27:35,072 --> 00:27:36,307
This is her home. She lives here alone.
576
00:27:36,309 --> 00:27:38,911
Now,
the reason we're here is 'cause her son Ryan
577
00:27:38,913 --> 00:27:41,779
and her sister Cyndi are
really worried about her.
578
00:27:41,781 --> 00:27:43,280
She actually thinks that
something in this house
579
00:27:43,282 --> 00:27:44,513
is trying to take her sister's soul.
580
00:27:45,581 --> 00:27:48,151
Now, when I spoke to Dawn,
it seems like she was in denial,
581
00:27:48,153 --> 00:27:49,985
but the more I was talking to her,
582
00:27:49,987 --> 00:27:51,785
the more I think she's ready
583
00:27:51,787 --> 00:27:53,388
to face what's going on in this house,
584
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:54,689
and meet it head-on and fight it.
585
00:27:54,691 --> 00:27:56,389
With that, I'm gonna have Amy tell us
586
00:27:56,391 --> 00:27:58,554
about what she saw on her walk.
587
00:28:02,625 --> 00:28:06,790
When I walked in the house,
I saw an elderly woman.
588
00:28:06,792 --> 00:28:10,126
She is extremely religious.
589
00:28:10,128 --> 00:28:13,564
She's very motherly, very nurturing.
590
00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:15,230
She said that she had several sons,
591
00:28:15,232 --> 00:28:16,831
that she was very proud of them.
592
00:28:16,833 --> 00:28:19,402
But she did have a regret,
593
00:28:19,404 --> 00:28:22,737
and that was not telling her sons
594
00:28:22,739 --> 00:28:26,072
that she felt their family
was being haunted by demons.
595
00:28:26,074 --> 00:28:29,378
And she didn't tell them
596
00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:32,579
because she was praying that
it wouldn't affect them.
597
00:28:32,581 --> 00:28:34,446
- It would go away.
- Right.
598
00:28:34,448 --> 00:28:38,083
And she feels guilty because it ended up
599
00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:42,121
that they too were seeing
and having experiences.
600
00:28:42,123 --> 00:28:46,257
Well, the only woman that
comes even close to that
601
00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:48,460
is the original owner of your property.
602
00:28:48,462 --> 00:28:49,562
A woman named Lydia Utley.
603
00:28:49,564 --> 00:28:51,430
She had several sons,
604
00:28:51,432 --> 00:28:53,697
and she was a religious woman...
she was Methodist.
605
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:56,965
But there was some tragedy in her family.
606
00:28:56,967 --> 00:28:59,336
I came across a whole bunch of death records
607
00:28:59,338 --> 00:29:01,205
for the entire family.
608
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:02,807
- Wow.
- Uh-huh.
609
00:29:02,809 --> 00:29:05,076
Now, the three sons that she did have
610
00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:10,447
all lost two kids each on this property.
611
00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:12,350
So she lost six grandchildren,
612
00:29:12,352 --> 00:29:14,353
five of them under the age of three.
613
00:29:14,355 --> 00:29:17,389
Now, one of the sons actually had a wife
614
00:29:17,391 --> 00:29:19,058
who died at the age of 41.
615
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:20,961
His name was Asa.
616
00:29:20,963 --> 00:29:22,527
They all died on the property,
the whole family did.
617
00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:23,729
Oh, my gosh.
618
00:29:25,933 --> 00:29:31,936
AMY: Next,
I encountered a male who was tall and thin,
619
00:29:31,938 --> 00:29:36,809
and it seemed to me that he
seemed lost and confused.
620
00:29:36,811 --> 00:29:40,146
Didn't really know he was, like, in a house.
621
00:29:40,148 --> 00:29:42,616
And he was crawling down the hall,
622
00:29:42,618 --> 00:29:46,288
and I think because of how he
was doing what he was doing,
623
00:29:46,290 --> 00:29:50,559
he probably was military at some point.
624
00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:55,163
And also, I do think that it's very possible
625
00:29:55,165 --> 00:30:00,103
that the living might see
him as a shadow person.
626
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,108
I was hoping this wasn't gonna happen,
627
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:06,146
but you guys knew that the
previous homeowner died here.
628
00:30:06,148 --> 00:30:08,583
His name was Ron.
629
00:30:08,585 --> 00:30:12,122
I was able to talk to his wife
and actually meet her in person.
630
00:30:12,124 --> 00:30:15,260
Patsy and Ron wind up moving
into your house in 2003.
631
00:30:15,262 --> 00:30:17,727
Now, Ron wind up dying of
a massive heart attack
632
00:30:17,729 --> 00:30:20,733
suddenly on December 17, 2005.
633
00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:23,103
Amy, you mentioned he may be a military guy,
634
00:30:23,105 --> 00:30:25,640
well, Ron wind up serving
23 years in the Army.
635
00:30:25,642 --> 00:30:28,209
This is him here.
636
00:30:28,211 --> 00:30:31,715
When I talked to her,
she felt that she was still here
637
00:30:31,717 --> 00:30:33,148
'cause she stayed here
two years after he passed.
638
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:37,318
What do you think about this guy?
639
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,958
I never encountered him
here as a conscious entity.
640
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,159
So, he might have moved on then.
641
00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:46,995
Now, you guys have theories about this guy,
642
00:30:46,997 --> 00:30:49,929
so at least now you have an
answer about what the deal was.
643
00:30:52,362 --> 00:30:53,528
So, what else?
644
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:57,501
When I was in the basement,
there was a male.
645
00:30:57,503 --> 00:31:00,103
- He is a fairly big guy, bald.
- Oh, my gosh.
646
00:31:00,105 --> 00:31:04,973
And he's very solid for a dead person,
647
00:31:04,975 --> 00:31:07,810
and I saw him, like,
banging up against the walls,
648
00:31:07,812 --> 00:31:10,176
like, just like throwing a fit.
649
00:31:10,178 --> 00:31:13,410
So, I feel he can be a physical threat.
650
00:31:13,412 --> 00:31:16,311
He doesn't want to be here anymore,
651
00:31:16,313 --> 00:31:19,284
but he is trapped here.
652
00:31:19,286 --> 00:31:24,488
Sometimes he'll be interacting
with a living person here.
653
00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:27,790
So, like,
grabbing their arm or pulling them.
654
00:31:27,792 --> 00:31:29,926
So, he gets physical in the basement?
655
00:31:29,928 --> 00:31:31,264
Yeah.
656
00:31:31,266 --> 00:31:33,800
Well, you've been tugged, right?
657
00:31:33,802 --> 00:31:35,068
- Yes.
- Tell Amy about that.
658
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:37,334
Dawn was showing me her basement,
659
00:31:37,336 --> 00:31:40,703
and I felt somebody grab
the back of my sweater
660
00:31:40,705 --> 00:31:42,806
and tug on it.
661
00:31:42,808 --> 00:31:45,676
And I turned around and
there was nothing there.
662
00:31:45,678 --> 00:31:47,742
And I was in the middle of the room.
663
00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:50,913
Now, tell Amy about the door incident.
664
00:31:50,915 --> 00:31:52,614
DAWN: I came home in the middle of the day,
665
00:31:52,616 --> 00:31:54,114
and I heard a noise, the creaking noise,
666
00:31:54,116 --> 00:31:58,786
and I looked down and saw
the basement door opening.
667
00:31:58,788 --> 00:32:02,554
Didn't you see a shadow at
the bottom of the stairs?
668
00:32:02,556 --> 00:32:04,088
I was coming in the back door,
669
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:05,822
and out of the corner of my eye I saw a man
670
00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:07,624
standing at the bottom of
the stairs looking up at me,
671
00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:09,058
like, waiting for me.
672
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:10,959
What did he look like to you?
673
00:32:10,961 --> 00:32:13,829
He was just all... he was tall, big,
674
00:32:13,831 --> 00:32:16,369
and he just stood there
like he was something,
675
00:32:16,371 --> 00:32:18,737
- that, "I am here. I'm the boss."
- Mm-hmm.
676
00:32:18,739 --> 00:32:21,173
When I was upstairs,
677
00:32:21,175 --> 00:32:23,844
and I went into the guest bedroom,
678
00:32:23,846 --> 00:32:26,580
he was pissed.
679
00:32:26,582 --> 00:32:28,116
That's his area,
680
00:32:28,118 --> 00:32:30,452
and he does not like anybody in there.
681
00:32:30,454 --> 00:32:32,254
Basically, he said
682
00:32:32,256 --> 00:32:35,992
that anybody who comes
in there is gonna get it.
683
00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:38,827
I do see him, like, coming up
684
00:32:38,829 --> 00:32:41,994
and, like, you know, just, like, bam!
685
00:32:41,996 --> 00:32:43,798
Bam! Over and over and over and over.
686
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,034
I think he's even lifted the bed.
687
00:32:47,036 --> 00:32:49,401
STEVE: Amy,
the one thing I didn't mention to you
688
00:32:49,403 --> 00:32:52,103
is that Ryan here is actually a local cop.
689
00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:53,707
Now, being that he's a cop,
690
00:32:53,709 --> 00:32:56,076
I take his testimony a
little bit more seriously.
691
00:32:56,078 --> 00:32:58,043
Why don't you tell Amy what happened
692
00:32:58,045 --> 00:32:59,478
in the guest bedroom to you?
693
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,281
It was about a 10- to 15-second situation...
694
00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:02,882
Okay.
695
00:33:02,884 --> 00:33:04,083
Where my hands were pinned...
696
00:33:04,085 --> 00:33:05,651
All right... up like this.
697
00:33:05,653 --> 00:33:06,985
Okay.
698
00:33:06,987 --> 00:33:10,524
He was looking at me, like,
"I can do this to you...
699
00:33:10,526 --> 00:33:14,291
and I am doing this to you,
and I'm gonna do it to you."
700
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:17,028
- That sound like the guy?
- Yes.
701
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:18,629
Do you know anything about him,
like, when he was alive?
702
00:33:18,631 --> 00:33:21,030
He told me that he was
a convict and a felon.
703
00:33:21,032 --> 00:33:23,334
Extremely violent and angry person.
704
00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:25,503
He kept showing me a gun
705
00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:29,742
that he always had on him,
never left his side.
706
00:33:29,744 --> 00:33:32,978
And he kind of indicated to me
707
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:35,349
that he had done bad things with it.
708
00:33:35,351 --> 00:33:36,750
One guy comes to mind.
709
00:33:36,752 --> 00:33:38,485
I don't know if it fits or not,
but it's the guy
710
00:33:38,487 --> 00:33:40,223
that lived right next door on your property.
711
00:33:40,225 --> 00:33:42,426
This guy named Tommie Nesbitt.
712
00:33:46,062 --> 00:33:48,567
Career criminal. He's all over the papers.
713
00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:50,570
I mean, every cop in the town knew him.
714
00:33:50,572 --> 00:33:52,339
He winds up doing burglaries on the trains
715
00:33:52,341 --> 00:33:55,009
that went through here,
and then he robbed a hobo,
716
00:33:55,011 --> 00:33:58,213
a bum, and in the fight on the train
717
00:33:58,215 --> 00:34:01,283
he fell off the train,
and the guy wind up dying.
718
00:34:01,285 --> 00:34:02,684
He went to jail for that,
719
00:34:02,686 --> 00:34:03,884
but they didn't charge him with the murder,
720
00:34:03,886 --> 00:34:05,018
they only charged him with the robbery.
721
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:06,919
Now, he wind up only doing seven years,
722
00:34:06,921 --> 00:34:08,754
and they did pardon him,
723
00:34:08,756 --> 00:34:10,955
but two of the reasons
were because he had TB,
724
00:34:10,957 --> 00:34:12,254
and his mother was dying.
725
00:34:12,256 --> 00:34:14,188
And when he was released,
he wind up coming back here,
726
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:16,391
living with his mom right next door.
727
00:34:16,393 --> 00:34:18,493
Few months later he winds up dying of TB.
728
00:34:18,495 --> 00:34:20,960
He died in 1912.
729
00:34:20,962 --> 00:34:24,063
Kind of sounds like...
730
00:34:24,065 --> 00:34:26,265
- Uh-huh...
- this guy.
731
00:34:26,267 --> 00:34:28,267
You're not gonna sleep well tonight.
732
00:34:28,269 --> 00:34:31,636
I haven't.
I don't sleep well most of the time.
733
00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:33,104
- Anyways.
- I've been ignoring it,
734
00:34:33,106 --> 00:34:35,506
just hoping it would go away on its own.
735
00:34:35,508 --> 00:34:38,680
Yeah.
It's controlling her a little bit, I think.
736
00:34:39,582 --> 00:34:42,048
He's my biggest concern.
737
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:45,386
He definitely does pose a real threat.
738
00:34:45,388 --> 00:34:47,990
I mean, in a physical sense.
739
00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:52,392
But he's fixated on getting out of here,
740
00:34:52,394 --> 00:34:56,332
and he thinks that the only way to do that
741
00:34:56,334 --> 00:34:59,600
at this point is that he
wants to destroy the house.
742
00:34:59,602 --> 00:35:04,374
And what he was showing
me was gas line and fire.
743
00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:09,575
He better hope I don't
pass away any time soon.
744
00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:16,554
STEVE: Anything else?
745
00:35:16,556 --> 00:35:19,223
AMY: I went out into the backyard,
746
00:35:19,225 --> 00:35:21,692
and as soon as I walked out there,
747
00:35:21,694 --> 00:35:25,029
there were these really bad things
748
00:35:25,031 --> 00:35:28,097
that would cause accidents and problems
749
00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:29,829
and horrible things to happen to people.
750
00:35:29,831 --> 00:35:32,729
And what I saw was, like,
751
00:35:32,731 --> 00:35:38,338
all these, like,
kind of shapes in the trees and the brush.
752
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:43,307
They are shape-shifters,
so they will project themselves
753
00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:46,477
in whatever manner will scare someone.
754
00:35:46,479 --> 00:35:47,844
It's really bad.
755
00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:50,581
They've caused a lot of accidents
756
00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,120
to happen to people here.
757
00:35:53,122 --> 00:35:55,122
Very bad things have
happened to people here.
758
00:35:55,124 --> 00:35:57,323
Well,
could that explain some of the deaths...
759
00:35:57,325 --> 00:35:58,993
the Utley's with their grandkids?
760
00:35:58,995 --> 00:36:00,263
That's what I'm thinking.
761
00:36:00,265 --> 00:36:03,500
Now, he won't bring his
18-month-old daughter here
762
00:36:03,502 --> 00:36:04,734
or his wife who's pregnant now.
763
00:36:04,736 --> 00:36:06,136
Yeah, no way.
764
00:36:06,138 --> 00:36:07,538
Yeah.
765
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,445
These things,
they're capable of harming anyone.
766
00:36:19,687 --> 00:36:21,821
And I know it's got to be
bothering you a little bit,
767
00:36:21,823 --> 00:36:22,955
knowing what's here now.
768
00:36:22,957 --> 00:36:24,622
Not a little bit, a lot.
769
00:36:25,923 --> 00:36:29,725
[Crying] I won't be
able to have Amore here.
770
00:36:36,097 --> 00:36:39,304
So, I ended up going into the storage room.
771
00:36:39,306 --> 00:36:43,205
Sitting there was this frail woman.
772
00:36:43,207 --> 00:36:45,777
She... extremely depressed.
773
00:36:45,779 --> 00:36:49,847
I think that you would feel
her stress and her sadness.
774
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:53,016
So, what she does is she tries to come
775
00:36:53,018 --> 00:36:55,454
up to the master bedroom all the time.
776
00:36:55,456 --> 00:36:58,588
She wants to snuggle in the bed.
777
00:36:58,590 --> 00:37:00,259
She wants nurturing.
778
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:03,028
You know, I felt very much like
she was acting like a child.
779
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:04,562
Don't you feel people get on your bed?
780
00:37:04,564 --> 00:37:06,362
DAWN: Right.
781
00:37:06,364 --> 00:37:08,199
But there's been times when I'm sleeping
782
00:37:08,201 --> 00:37:10,969
and I feel someone sitting on my bed.
783
00:37:10,971 --> 00:37:12,806
STEVE: She's had a lot of experiences.
784
00:37:12,808 --> 00:37:15,507
I mean, she's even had a kiss.
785
00:37:15,509 --> 00:37:17,476
I just felt someone knelt down
786
00:37:17,478 --> 00:37:18,643
and just gave me a kiss goodnight.
787
00:37:19,979 --> 00:37:21,210
You never told me that.
788
00:37:21,212 --> 00:37:23,111
Could that have been this girl trying to...
789
00:37:23,113 --> 00:37:25,110
Yes.
790
00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:32,090
I did do a sketch of the
girl laying in the bed.
791
00:38:08,593 --> 00:38:14,958
I did do a sketch of the
girl laying in the bed.
792
00:38:36,102 --> 00:38:37,635
[Sighs]
793
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:42,208
She looks very sad.
794
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,976
This looks like a male.
795
00:38:44,978 --> 00:38:47,245
What I saw was a male and a female.
796
00:38:47,247 --> 00:38:48,513
Okay.
797
00:38:48,515 --> 00:38:50,214
And her cuddling with the
mommy and daddy figure,
798
00:38:50,216 --> 00:38:52,349
then she's doing with you, so...
799
00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:55,589
How does that make you feel,
that you're not alone in bed?
800
00:38:55,591 --> 00:38:56,890
Not good.
801
00:38:58,728 --> 00:39:01,762
It's more than what I expected.
802
00:39:09,702 --> 00:39:11,970
Well, Dawn, it's a good thing you have a son
803
00:39:11,972 --> 00:39:14,238
that worries about you so much,
804
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,769
because if he didn't call us in when he did,
805
00:39:15,771 --> 00:39:17,370
we don't know what would
have happened to you.
806
00:39:17,372 --> 00:39:19,105
Question is, can you have a safe home
807
00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:21,307
and make this the place you want to live in,
808
00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:23,240
and live comfortably?
809
00:39:23,242 --> 00:39:25,007
So, for that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
810
00:39:28,046 --> 00:39:32,050
For the things in the back,
they're some type of elemental,
811
00:39:32,052 --> 00:39:35,456
and basically an elemental is a being
812
00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:38,160
that never was in human form.
813
00:39:38,162 --> 00:39:41,263
They're not supposed to be bad,
814
00:39:41,265 --> 00:39:46,205
but I've encountered quite a few,
815
00:39:46,207 --> 00:39:53,073
and I have seen them not be
good towards living humans.
816
00:39:53,075 --> 00:39:55,844
So, I think that a shaman
should be brought in,
817
00:39:55,846 --> 00:40:01,151
and having them do a ritual
to set up a permanent boundary
818
00:40:01,153 --> 00:40:05,391
to keep those things at bay forever.
819
00:40:05,393 --> 00:40:08,558
Then you could bring the kids over.
820
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,726
The second thing is to
have a psychic healer.
821
00:40:14,728 --> 00:40:19,361
So, this person needs to come and go down
822
00:40:19,363 --> 00:40:23,797
and talk to the girl in the storage room.
823
00:40:23,799 --> 00:40:27,703
Okay,
so this'll get this poor kid out of here.
824
00:40:27,705 --> 00:40:29,971
Yes.
825
00:40:29,973 --> 00:40:32,541
So, now once that happens,
will Dawn start feeling any better?
826
00:40:32,543 --> 00:40:33,710
Yeah.
827
00:40:33,712 --> 00:40:35,012
You won't get no more sitting on the bed,
828
00:40:35,014 --> 00:40:37,016
no more feeling depressed or isolated.
829
00:40:38,551 --> 00:40:44,022
And then,
the third thing is hiring a male medium,
830
00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:46,692
who's a tough guy, to come in,
831
00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:52,465
and he is going to engage crazy guy.
832
00:40:52,467 --> 00:40:55,903
He's going to, basically,
have to set this man straight,
833
00:40:55,905 --> 00:40:58,540
and move him on.
834
00:41:00,042 --> 00:41:01,943
The elderly woman,
835
00:41:01,945 --> 00:41:04,415
once everything has been dealt with
836
00:41:04,417 --> 00:41:08,318
and she doesn't feel like
there's a threat anymore,
837
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,486
she'll leave.
838
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:12,555
So, you got three major steps,
839
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:14,922
but at the end of all of it,
you have your house back.
840
00:41:14,924 --> 00:41:16,391
I mean, do you feel better, Dawn?
841
00:41:16,393 --> 00:41:17,994
I just didn't expect all this.
842
00:41:17,996 --> 00:41:22,495
I'm just overwhelmed.
It's not a good feeling.
843
00:41:22,497 --> 00:41:26,232
I feel better.
I mean, based upon what she said.
844
00:41:26,234 --> 00:41:28,902
I mean, if it's fixable.
845
00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:31,372
Something breaks and you can fix it.
846
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:35,044
That's the goal here,
847
00:41:35,046 --> 00:41:37,146
is for you to be happy in your own home,
848
00:41:37,148 --> 00:41:38,480
and for your grandchildren to come here
849
00:41:38,482 --> 00:41:40,415
and him feel okay about coming here.
850
00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:43,551
That is the goal.
851
00:41:43,553 --> 00:41:46,321
Sorry, Mom,
that I haven't brought her over more.
852
00:41:46,323 --> 00:41:47,923
You weren't paranoid.
853
00:41:47,925 --> 00:41:50,891
You had a good reason,
but we're gonna fix it.
854
00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,590
AMY: Dawn finally seems to understand
855
00:41:53,592 --> 00:41:56,156
just how active and dangerous her home is,
856
00:41:56,158 --> 00:41:59,326
but I believe if she follows my advice,
857
00:41:59,328 --> 00:42:01,563
she'll be able to live a peaceful life,
858
00:42:01,565 --> 00:42:04,064
where her family will
feel safe visiting her.
859
00:42:04,114 --> 00:42:08,664
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