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Those creatures are here.
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They can take your soul.
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It was a man, but he didn't look human.
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That had to scare the [bleep] out of you.
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They have, like, pointed ears, sharp teeth.
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Seems like she's possessed sometimes.
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A lot of [bleep] pain in this room.
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I live in constant fear we're being haunted.
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What is going on here?
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"You're mine. You can't escape."
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My name is Amy Allan.
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[Crying] What's happening?
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I see dead people.
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It seems like a devil.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's pissed off.
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And they speak to me.
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I felt real fear.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she's being murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Serial killer pops in my head.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Nobody believes me.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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- Do you think there's still bodies there?
- I do.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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You got problems. I got news for you.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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This is our house...
whether they like it or not.
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Or time to get out.
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This is their house, the house of the dead.
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- Sync and corrected by TheDelta -
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I'm in the heart of the rust belt...
Toledo, Ohio.
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I'm heading over to meet
with a woman named Angie.
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She says everyone in the
family's being affected.
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They're being pushed, scratched,
burnt, and even molested.
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When I heard this on the phone, I got upset.
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And I'm really hoping we can help her out.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for any leading information.
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This house is filled with
photos and religious symbols.
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Once they're covered or removed,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: What the hell?
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There's a male here who...
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knows how it used to be and is disturbed,
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so he's very much
functioning in that reality,
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and he's angry.
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He's [bleep] pissed.
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There's something wrong with his head.
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[Inhales deeply] Mm.
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The head pain is so bad.
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STEVE: So, Angie, I'm glad I'm here
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'cause you sounded pretty
upset on the phone.
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So,
just give me an idea of what's happening.
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- ANGIE: We've been here about 12 years.
- Okay.
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Shortly after we moved in is
when the activity started.
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At first, it just started out as noises.
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It increased to apparitions.
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It's getting now to the point
where it's getting violent.
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We've had a couple of episodes
where we've been burned.
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We've been scratched,
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we've been pushed, we've been shoved.
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I live in constant fear here.
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Who do you live here with?
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I live here with my partner, Leslie,
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my daughter, Maggie,
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and my 2-year-old grandson, Nathan.
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Oh, he's precious.
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It seems like it got
worse after he was born.
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- Is he being affected by this?
- He is.
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We were sitting in the living room,
watching TV.
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He was sitting on the floor,
playing with his toys,
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and we seen him literally
lift up off the ground
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and was shoved a good foot and a half.
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I fear greatly for him
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because he's unable to protect himself,
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and I feel like we can't protect him,
either.
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- Why don't you just move?
- We're into it financially.
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We put all of our money
into buying this home,
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and we can't afford to move.
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Do you know any history of the house at all?
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Me, personally, no.
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I don't know any history of the house.
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Have you ever had paranormal activity
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- prior to moving into this house?
- Never.
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- I was never a believer.
- What about now?
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[Sighs] I believe it wholeheartedly.
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We're being haunted.
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AMY: There's something here,
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and it came in through the front door.
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These things...
they look like little [bleep] demons,
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and they're getting too out of hand.
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That's what this older dude was saying.
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And he says, "I can't handle that.
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"I can't get involved in that.
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I can't do anything about that."
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Things have just gotten too bad.
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He can't fight anymore
because they're gonna get him.
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They can take your soul.
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STEVE: Okay, what's going on in here?
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I've seen various apparitions in here.
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There was an older gentleman I seen in here,
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wearing kind of like a suit.
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Grayish hair.
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He startles me at first,
but he doesn't seem threatening.
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Okay,
what time period do you think he's from?
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I would say early 1900s.
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If you saw a photo,
would you be able to identify him?
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I would.
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Now, what else are you seeing in here?
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One time in the stairwell,
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there was an apparition of a little boy.
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Can you describe him?
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He appeared to have been in a fire.
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He had a burnt face, burnt arms.
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Angie, I got to do my due diligence and ask
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questions you're not gonna like, but...
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Okay. Medications? Alcohol abuse?
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Anything that may cause you to hallucinate
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and see these things?
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No, sir.
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- I seen one other one.
- What's that?
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This one bothers me
'cause it really scared me.
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[Sighs]
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It was a man, but he didn't look human.
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He was in the mirror.
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He had two horns off the top of his head.
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Big teeth.
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I would say at least 6 foot,
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and I seen him kind of let out a growl,
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and it came right at me.
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"Foof," right through me,
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and I immediately broke out into tears,
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felt like I was gonna faint.
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I was sick to my stomach.
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- That had to scare the [bleep] out of you.
- It did.
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All I can tell you, Steve,
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it was the scariest thing
I've ever seen in my life.
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Those demons...
they are very [bleep] weird-looking.
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They kind of have, like, bat faces.
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They have, like, pointed ears, big eyes,
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sharp teeth,
kind of centered on this female.
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Okay, what's going on in here?
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I've had things move around in the room.
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I've had my glasses moved.
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You sure it's not your
grandson maybe playing games
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or just moving stuff on you?
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Probably not.
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He's two, and most of it's up high...
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the stuff that's moved...
and I put my glasses up high,
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- so no, it's not him.
- All right.
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Anything else?
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I was laying in bed, sleeping one night,
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and I had a physical presence come over me.
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I felt like I was being pinned to the bed.
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My shirt was pulled up around my chest area.
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- Okay.
- I felt like I was being
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physically assaulted at the moment.
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Talking about sexually assaulted?
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Yes, sir.
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I just remember feeling... violated.
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I was just crying.
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Okay. So, how long did it last?
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It seemed like it lasted forever,
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but I started praying,
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and within a couple of minutes, it stopped.
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[Singsong voice] There's a lot of things
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that went on up here.
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There's, like, panic.
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Oh, geez.
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Uh...
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Oh.
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I am seeing a woman.
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She's being...
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physically attacked by nothing... like,
dragged.
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What the [bleep] is going on here?
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She's not the only one.
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Holy [bleep]
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This is, like, one of the worst rooms.
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Why?
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There's definitely an agent here
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who's [bleep] very unhappy
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and not stable and lashing out.
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It's a poltergeist.
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STEVE: Maggie, I was talking to your mom,
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and she was telling me about everything
that's going on in the house.
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Mm-hmm.
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- Now, this is your son's room?
- Yes.
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Apparently,
your mom said she actually saw him
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get picked up and kind of thrown or pushed.
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Yeah, it has happened.
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He was playing in his room.
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I was cleaning up,
and I heard him hit the ground,
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and when I came into his room,
he was flat on his back,
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and his face was bloodshot red.
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- Now, was there anything he
could have jumped off of? - No.
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He wasn't climbing on anything.
He didn't trip over anything.
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As a mother, I know his cries,
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and it was definitely something
I've never heard before.
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Okay, so, this was a terrifying cry?
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Yeah,
this was... he wanted to get out of here.
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Something scared him.
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Okay, anything else going on up here?
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Yeah, actually.
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One day, it was just me and him here,
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and I came up to check on him,
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and he was leaning out of his window,
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throwing his toys out,
and this window's never unlocked.
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There's no way he could unlock the window.
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He can't open doors, like doorknobs.
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I got really scared because he
could have easily fallen out.
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- You said it's always locked?
- It's locked right now.
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So, who would have unlocked it?
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It's only me and him here,
and I definitely didn't do it.
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- But it was closed when you last saw it?
- Oh, yeah.
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And there was nobody else around?
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Nope.
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That's a problem.
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AMY: This is not good.
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There might be someone here,
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at a very [bleep] young age,
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figured out that they were capable
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of manipulating their environment,
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and those are why those creatures are here.
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There's a relationship there
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between this thing and this living person.
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The older man was trying to stop this,
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then it changed, and now there's more.
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There's more of them.
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Leslie,
I was talking to your partner, Angie,
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and I spoke to her daughter, Maggie,
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they seemed pretty upset
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- about the things that are happening here.
- LESLIE: Yes.
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- I mean, she's your partner.
- Yes.
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- I mean, she looks like she's taking it hard.
- Yeah, she does.
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Hard on her and makes it hard on me
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- to watch her go through some of the stuff.
- Right.
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The fighting, and, just... it's hard.
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- The mood swings.
- Especially Maggie.
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Nothing.
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I swear,
it seems like she's possessed sometimes...
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just angry and mean and hateful she gets.
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I don't like the drama.
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Just want everything to go back to normal.
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Well,
that brings me to a question I have for you.
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I mean, everybody's experienced something.
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- Have you?
- Yes, I have.
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Okay, like what?
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My cross on my neck got ripped off
257
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and thrown across the floor.
258
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- You mean, you had a necklace?
- Yes.
259
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And it ripped off your chest?
260
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Ripped off. Yes. Broke.
261
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Thrown across the hardwood floor and slid.
262
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That's...
263
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It was strange.
264
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- Strange? It's a little bit scary.
- Yeah.
265
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- Was anybody else home?
- No.
266
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So, what did you end up
doing when that happened?
267
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- Did you get your cross again?
- Yeah, I sure did.
268
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I picked it back up, and I said,
"You think you broke it?
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You didn't 'cause I got another
clasp I can put it on,"
270
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and I stuck it back on another one.
271
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I don't know what my partner's gonna say.
272
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She may tell you that whatever's here,
you can't fix.
273
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You got to get the hell out of here.
274
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I mean, how would you feel about that?
275
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I'd probably get the hell out of here.
276
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- You would?
- Mm-hmm.
277
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There's the battle.
278
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There's this [bleep] battle going on
279
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between the living and these things.
280
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Do you know what these things are?
281
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I don't believe they were ever alive.
282
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I guess you would call them,
like, some kind of demons.
283
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They're kept out.
284
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They can be kept at bay because
they respond to religion,
285
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but it doesn't matter because
the poltergeist is always here.
286
00:14:44,087 --> 00:14:46,020
There's a lot of pain in this room.
287
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A lot of [bleep] pain in this room.
288
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The living... they're fighting,
289
00:14:53,327 --> 00:14:56,160
and they're crying, and it never stops.
290
00:14:56,162 --> 00:14:59,631
These people...
what they're doing to each other, it's awful.
291
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I can't stand it anymore.
292
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Would you say it's dangerous
for the living to be here?
293
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The house isn't the issue.
294
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What is?
295
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They are.
296
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They who?
297
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The living people.
298
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STEVE:
Angie didn't know any history about her home,
299
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so I made a few calls.
300
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And a retired homicide detective tells me
301
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a famous criminal used to live there.
302
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He did some research into it for me,
303
00:15:35,361 --> 00:15:37,094
and he found some information he says
304
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will definitely help my investigation.
305
00:15:48,237 --> 00:15:50,005
Well, Bob, thanks for meeting me.
306
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- I appreciate it.
- BOB: Sure.
307
00:15:51,507 --> 00:15:54,072
Now, you mentioned on the phone
there was an actual criminal
308
00:15:54,074 --> 00:15:55,871
that lived in the property
I'm investigating.
309
00:15:55,873 --> 00:15:57,272
Right. Yes, there was.
310
00:15:57,274 --> 00:16:00,510
Clarence Brown had moved into
that home with his family.
311
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He was young.
312
00:16:02,313 --> 00:16:04,813
He was 17 at the time in 1930.
313
00:16:04,815 --> 00:16:07,982
Of course,
the Depression hit the family real bad,
314
00:16:07,984 --> 00:16:10,820
and they lost most of everything they had,
315
00:16:10,822 --> 00:16:14,159
even though they had had a
lucrative printing business.
316
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Clarence especially took it pretty hard.
317
00:16:16,295 --> 00:16:17,993
He didn't think the government
318
00:16:17,995 --> 00:16:20,627
put enough money into the local economy,
319
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:23,231
and he was gonna do his part to help out,
320
00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:27,467
and he got this idea about
counterfeiting bills.
321
00:16:27,469 --> 00:16:29,602
He kind of felt like he was a Robin Hood.
322
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Here's a picture of him.
323
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,441
He was just a clean-cut,
ordinary-looking kid, you know.
324
00:16:34,443 --> 00:16:38,178
Now, was he operating out of
the house I'm investigating?
325
00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:39,747
He operated out of the house,
and then, I guess,
326
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:43,117
part of it moved over to
the family printing business
327
00:16:43,119 --> 00:16:45,222
across the river on Huron Street.
328
00:16:45,224 --> 00:16:47,057
How big of an operation
are we talking about?
329
00:16:47,059 --> 00:16:48,757
Well, they got to the point
330
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of being considered international.
331
00:16:50,794 --> 00:16:54,529
There was a lot of their
money showing up in Indiana,
332
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Michigan, the surrounding states,
333
00:16:56,466 --> 00:16:59,236
Illinois, even into Windsor, Canada.
334
00:16:59,238 --> 00:17:02,407
- So, who was all involved?
Was it just this guy, Clarence? - Well, no.
335
00:17:02,409 --> 00:17:05,244
Clarence and Sherman,
his dad, and his brother,
336
00:17:05,246 --> 00:17:06,379
and two other associates.
337
00:17:06,381 --> 00:17:07,882
Okay, so, he basically ran it.
338
00:17:07,884 --> 00:17:10,452
- Yes, he did.
- So, what happens next?
339
00:17:10,454 --> 00:17:13,821
Eventually, he got caught.
They were busted in 1935.
340
00:17:13,823 --> 00:17:17,529
They raided the Huron Street plant
341
00:17:17,531 --> 00:17:20,897
and seized probably $20,000 there
342
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- and a bunch of equipment.
- Okay.
343
00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:24,231
That led them over to
344
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the house that you're
looking into on east side.
345
00:17:27,067 --> 00:17:30,099
Got another 6 grand there
and a lot of equipment.
346
00:17:30,101 --> 00:17:32,036
A lot of money back then.
That's a lot of money today.
347
00:17:32,038 --> 00:17:35,568
Yeah, in today's figures,
it would be about $340,000.
348
00:17:35,570 --> 00:17:38,940
Now, when all is said and done,
how many people got arrested?
349
00:17:38,942 --> 00:17:40,474
There were five total, yes.
350
00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:43,545
It was Clarence; his father, Sherman;
351
00:17:43,547 --> 00:17:46,382
brother Louis; and two other associates.
352
00:17:46,384 --> 00:17:49,648
But when it came to trial,
according to this article here,
353
00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:52,985
Clarence took the heat for the entire family
354
00:17:52,987 --> 00:17:55,557
and got a 3 1/2-year sentence,
355
00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:57,393
and he did about 2 1/2 years.
356
00:18:01,701 --> 00:18:04,103
AMY: The older male,
357
00:18:04,105 --> 00:18:06,574
I feel him very much
involved with the structure.
358
00:18:06,576 --> 00:18:09,109
Do you know anything about
what he was like in life?
359
00:18:09,111 --> 00:18:13,780
I would say that he was a...
360
00:18:13,782 --> 00:18:16,148
no bull[bleep] kind of guy.
361
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:21,586
I would guess that he might have been,
like, a boss
362
00:18:21,588 --> 00:18:23,656
because he's very much like,
363
00:18:23,658 --> 00:18:26,225
"This is what's going on. This is what
we're doing. This is what's happening."
364
00:18:26,227 --> 00:18:28,196
Does the old man interact with the living?
365
00:18:28,198 --> 00:18:32,503
It think he's tried talking to them.
366
00:18:32,505 --> 00:18:37,010
He's definitely trying to
keep these demons at bay.
367
00:18:37,012 --> 00:18:39,746
I think he was also trying
368
00:18:39,748 --> 00:18:44,118
to give warnings about what's going on.
369
00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,558
[Door creaks]
370
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,492
Like, I see him talking to
somebody laying in bed,
371
00:18:50,494 --> 00:18:54,364
trying to explain things to them.
372
00:18:57,402 --> 00:18:59,306
So, he gets sentenced to 3 1/2 years.
373
00:18:59,308 --> 00:19:01,108
- He does 2 1/2, and he gets out.
- Right.
374
00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:03,345
Okay, does he go back to counterfeiting?
I mean, what's he do?
375
00:19:03,347 --> 00:19:05,079
No, he gave up the counterfeiting,
376
00:19:05,081 --> 00:19:06,913
moved back into your clients' house.
377
00:19:06,915 --> 00:19:08,615
His mom lived there, too.
378
00:19:08,617 --> 00:19:10,483
He got a job at a local printing shop,
379
00:19:10,485 --> 00:19:12,619
and then he got married in 1940.
380
00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:16,323
And this was the wedding
of Clarence and his wife.
381
00:19:16,325 --> 00:19:19,460
And him and his wife had three little boys.
382
00:19:19,462 --> 00:19:21,330
Okay, so, what happens to this guy?
383
00:19:21,332 --> 00:19:26,100
Well, things went real
bad in 1948 initially,
384
00:19:26,102 --> 00:19:27,868
when his mother died.
385
00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:30,403
It hit him pretty hard.
386
00:19:30,405 --> 00:19:34,174
Kind of started into a
downward spiral mentally.
387
00:19:34,176 --> 00:19:36,642
- Did she die in the house?
- She died at home.
388
00:19:36,644 --> 00:19:38,878
I have the death certificate here.
389
00:19:41,118 --> 00:19:43,653
Okay, so, cerebral hemorrhages.
390
00:19:43,655 --> 00:19:45,418
- So, it was a natural cause.
- Right.
391
00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:46,820
So, what happens after that?
392
00:19:46,822 --> 00:19:49,689
Things started spiraling downhill.
393
00:19:49,691 --> 00:19:51,958
He was developing a real paranoia.
394
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,897
He was convinced the
government was out to get him.
395
00:19:54,899 --> 00:19:56,330
They were spying on him.
396
00:19:56,332 --> 00:20:00,100
He had pretty much
alienated his wife and sons.
397
00:20:00,102 --> 00:20:03,106
It got so bad that she
actually had him committed.
398
00:20:03,108 --> 00:20:05,976
They used electroshock therapy on him,
399
00:20:05,978 --> 00:20:07,677
which apparently didn't help,
400
00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:09,679
and it got so bad that she eventually
401
00:20:09,681 --> 00:20:11,380
had him committed to a
mental institution...
402
00:20:13,149 --> 00:20:15,751
where he spent the
last 26 years of his life,
403
00:20:15,753 --> 00:20:18,089
dying at age 83.
404
00:20:18,091 --> 00:20:22,125
This guy was the leader of a
pretty good-sized operation
405
00:20:22,127 --> 00:20:24,096
early on in his life,
406
00:20:24,098 --> 00:20:26,066
and he died, wasted down to nothing.
407
00:20:33,278 --> 00:20:36,411
This guy is [bleep] sick. [Clears throat]
408
00:20:36,413 --> 00:20:38,848
Do you know how he died?
Something with his head.
409
00:20:41,053 --> 00:20:42,787
He had a lot of pain in his head.
410
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:44,320
That's all I know.
411
00:20:44,322 --> 00:20:46,757
[Exhales heavily]
412
00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:48,893
He was sick for a long time. I know that.
413
00:20:50,228 --> 00:20:51,928
This [bleep] so thick.
414
00:20:51,930 --> 00:20:54,599
I don't know how they
[bleep] even stay here.
415
00:21:08,975 --> 00:21:11,509
STEVE: So far,
I've uncovered a major counterfeit ring
416
00:21:11,511 --> 00:21:12,877
tied to my clients' property,
417
00:21:12,879 --> 00:21:14,313
where the previous owner
418
00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:16,648
was committed to a mental institution.
419
00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:18,353
But I need to see if there's anything else.
420
00:21:20,757 --> 00:21:22,894
Searching through old archives,
421
00:21:22,896 --> 00:21:24,728
I find something I didn't expect...
422
00:21:26,898 --> 00:21:30,103
a deadly explosion that happened in 1898
423
00:21:30,105 --> 00:21:34,210
right down the street from my clients'
house.
424
00:21:34,212 --> 00:21:37,313
I've called out a local reporter
425
00:21:37,315 --> 00:21:40,649
who says it was one of the worst
accidents in Toledo's history.
426
00:21:49,092 --> 00:21:53,062
This explosion I came across...
what exactly happened?
427
00:21:53,064 --> 00:21:55,128
So, there was the Union Railroad,
428
00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:56,696
which had a grain elevator.
429
00:21:56,698 --> 00:21:58,998
Here it is right here.
430
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,003
On the night of September 21, 1898,
431
00:22:04,005 --> 00:22:05,638
25 people were working there.
432
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,073
They had just received a big
shipment of oats, and they were,
433
00:22:08,075 --> 00:22:09,475
you know, processing these oats,
434
00:22:09,477 --> 00:22:12,378
but they didn't have the
safety mechanisms in place.
435
00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:14,412
So, there were highly
flammable dust particles
436
00:22:14,414 --> 00:22:16,945
- in the air from this device.
- Okay.
437
00:22:16,947 --> 00:22:19,315
And somehow or another,
these floating dust particles
438
00:22:19,317 --> 00:22:21,717
got into the furnace,
439
00:22:21,719 --> 00:22:23,617
which then exploded.
440
00:22:23,619 --> 00:22:25,851
This is the aftermath.
441
00:22:25,853 --> 00:22:29,687
This is the rubble from
the explosion and the fire.
442
00:22:32,455 --> 00:22:33,689
Wow.
443
00:22:33,691 --> 00:22:35,626
I mean, it just looks like
444
00:22:35,628 --> 00:22:37,459
somebody dropped a 500-pound bomb on it.
445
00:22:37,461 --> 00:22:38,694
Oh, yeah.
446
00:22:39,795 --> 00:22:41,730
Where my clients'
property is is pretty close.
447
00:22:41,732 --> 00:22:43,402
What would it have felt like for them?
448
00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:44,836
It felt like an earthquake.
449
00:22:44,838 --> 00:22:46,304
It broke out windows.
450
00:22:46,306 --> 00:22:48,475
It melted rail road cars.
451
00:22:48,477 --> 00:22:52,848
Everything with a 200-foot
radius was consumed by flames.
452
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:54,414
Wow.
453
00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,814
15 people were killed.
454
00:22:56,816 --> 00:22:59,252
- Two of those bodies were never recovered.
- At all?
455
00:22:59,254 --> 00:23:01,920
Essentially,
they were just reduced to ashes.
456
00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:05,390
One of the bodies that was never recovered
457
00:23:05,392 --> 00:23:08,963
was the youngest son of the superintendent,
Mr. Parks.
458
00:23:08,965 --> 00:23:10,665
Harold was 6.
459
00:23:10,667 --> 00:23:13,835
And then, shortly after he died,
460
00:23:13,837 --> 00:23:16,102
his 10-year-old son, Hamilton,
461
00:23:16,104 --> 00:23:19,274
- also died as a result of the explosion.
- Wow.
462
00:23:19,276 --> 00:23:22,079
He also had his daughter,
Grace, a 19-year-old,
463
00:23:22,081 --> 00:23:25,083
who died a day after the accident.
464
00:23:25,085 --> 00:23:26,985
That's a real tragedy.
465
00:23:26,987 --> 00:23:29,455
One of the headlines referred to it
466
00:23:29,457 --> 00:23:31,390
as "The Holocaust at Toledo."
467
00:23:37,899 --> 00:23:42,032
AMY: I'm seeing people running.
468
00:23:42,034 --> 00:23:43,434
They're screaming.
469
00:23:43,436 --> 00:23:47,836
I'm just getting a lot of physical trauma.
470
00:23:49,072 --> 00:23:52,176
It was something that was huge.
471
00:23:54,413 --> 00:23:57,147
Something unexpected, something very big.
472
00:23:57,149 --> 00:23:59,116
Getting a big accident.
473
00:23:59,118 --> 00:24:00,652
[bleep]
474
00:24:00,654 --> 00:24:02,354
Like a building collapsing on them.
475
00:24:11,795 --> 00:24:15,667
There were several entities
that stood out during my walk,
476
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:17,636
but what has me the most concerned
477
00:24:17,638 --> 00:24:19,837
are the demon creatures
tormenting the living.
478
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,676
There were three or four
that came from the closet,
479
00:24:23,678 --> 00:24:26,347
and there was a small kid,
480
00:24:26,349 --> 00:24:30,021
and one of them was standing behind him.
481
00:24:30,023 --> 00:24:32,191
MAN: Okay.
482
00:24:32,193 --> 00:24:34,963
The nose was kind of like a pig's nose...
483
00:24:36,366 --> 00:24:39,099
and it had, like, fangs.
484
00:24:40,634 --> 00:24:42,835
- What about the build?
- Very thin.
485
00:24:42,837 --> 00:24:46,532
Longer than the average arms.
486
00:24:52,043 --> 00:24:54,241
Is this what you saw?
487
00:24:57,209 --> 00:25:00,611
Yes, that's what I saw.
488
00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:26,755
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
489
00:25:26,757 --> 00:25:29,257
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
490
00:25:29,259 --> 00:25:31,458
and our clients for the first time.
491
00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:34,385
Amy, I'd like you to meet
492
00:25:34,485 --> 00:25:36,719
the three ladies that live in this house.
493
00:25:36,721 --> 00:25:38,387
This is Maggie.
494
00:25:38,389 --> 00:25:40,187
This is Angie, Maggie's mom,
495
00:25:40,189 --> 00:25:43,691
and this is Leslie, Angie's partner.
496
00:25:43,693 --> 00:25:45,759
All three of them are
having a tough time here,
497
00:25:45,761 --> 00:25:47,027
and they've experienced a lot,
498
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:49,064
but the main reason we're here
499
00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:51,929
is for Maggie's 2-year-old son, Nathan.
500
00:25:52,896 --> 00:25:54,866
AMY: Aww.
501
00:25:54,868 --> 00:25:57,036
Now, the ladies don't think
it's safe for any of them,
502
00:25:57,038 --> 00:25:59,236
but they're more concerned for him.
503
00:25:59,238 --> 00:26:02,041
So, now that Amy knows a little
bit about what's going on,
504
00:26:02,043 --> 00:26:05,144
I'll ask her to tell us about her walk.
505
00:26:09,418 --> 00:26:12,051
AMY: So, I was outside,
506
00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,386
and I started seeing all
of these dead people.
507
00:26:14,388 --> 00:26:18,392
They were not looking very good.
508
00:26:18,394 --> 00:26:21,194
It seemed like some kind of major accident
509
00:26:21,196 --> 00:26:23,632
that all of these people
had been involved with,
510
00:26:23,634 --> 00:26:26,802
and they were in a lot of pain and agony.
511
00:26:26,804 --> 00:26:32,710
It seemed to me like some kind of collapse,
like a building.
512
00:26:32,712 --> 00:26:34,980
STEVE: It makes sense.
513
00:26:34,982 --> 00:26:36,983
One of the worst accidents
in Toledo's history
514
00:26:36,985 --> 00:26:40,418
happened only half a mile
from your residence here.
515
00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:44,158
It was an accident
involving the Union Railroad
516
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,496
where the grain elevator was operated.
517
00:26:47,498 --> 00:26:50,598
This is what the factory looked like.
518
00:26:51,867 --> 00:26:55,673
Now, back on September 21, 1898,
519
00:26:55,675 --> 00:26:58,106
dust got into the boiler, and boom.
520
00:26:59,207 --> 00:27:01,510
Huge explosion.
521
00:27:01,512 --> 00:27:03,747
This is what it looked like after.
522
00:27:06,184 --> 00:27:07,751
It looks like a war zone.
523
00:27:07,753 --> 00:27:10,788
28 people were in the building.
524
00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:12,521
15 died.
525
00:27:13,654 --> 00:27:15,717
Only 13 bodies were recovered.
526
00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,753
Two actually just burnt to a crisp.
527
00:27:17,755 --> 00:27:19,189
They never recovered them.
528
00:27:19,191 --> 00:27:22,193
Worst part of this story is
529
00:27:22,195 --> 00:27:24,228
the three kids that were
killed because they were there,
530
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:26,062
visiting their father,
who was the superintendent.
531
00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:31,533
I saw a young boy in the staircase,
532
00:27:31,535 --> 00:27:33,400
and he was burnt.
533
00:27:33,402 --> 00:27:35,070
He was burnt all over.
534
00:27:35,072 --> 00:27:38,305
I've also seen him at the top of the stairs.
535
00:27:38,307 --> 00:27:41,406
STEVE: Now, could these kids
have come inside the house here?
536
00:27:41,408 --> 00:27:42,874
AMY: Yes.
537
00:27:42,876 --> 00:27:45,376
They're all over the neighborhood...
these people.
538
00:27:47,812 --> 00:27:50,144
What else did you see on your walk?
539
00:27:50,146 --> 00:27:51,813
I did meet an older male.
540
00:27:53,782 --> 00:27:59,825
This individual has been trying
to warn you for some time.
541
00:27:59,827 --> 00:28:02,228
He's here to protect.
542
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:05,032
He's been trying to communicate to you
543
00:28:05,034 --> 00:28:08,605
via literally talking to you
or through dreams, as well.
544
00:28:08,607 --> 00:28:10,307
[Sighs]
545
00:28:10,309 --> 00:28:11,775
- You told me about the old man, right?
- Right.
546
00:28:11,777 --> 00:28:14,114
I often see him tinkering around.
547
00:28:14,116 --> 00:28:16,282
We call him Clarence.
548
00:28:16,284 --> 00:28:18,419
We don't know if that's his real name.
549
00:28:18,421 --> 00:28:19,955
Where'd you get the name Clarence from?
550
00:28:19,957 --> 00:28:22,456
I don't know. I just named him it.
551
00:28:22,458 --> 00:28:26,227
I don't know if it came to me in a dream.
They've been talking to you.
552
00:28:26,229 --> 00:28:28,061
You know what kind of guy
he was when he was alive?
553
00:28:28,063 --> 00:28:31,564
Straightforward guy,
just told you like it was.
554
00:28:31,566 --> 00:28:33,197
He liked to fix problems.
555
00:28:33,199 --> 00:28:35,300
He took charge. He took control.
556
00:28:35,302 --> 00:28:37,233
He was a boss.
557
00:28:37,235 --> 00:28:39,035
Um...
558
00:28:39,037 --> 00:28:42,004
I started to have...
559
00:28:42,006 --> 00:28:45,573
extreme pain in my head,
560
00:28:45,575 --> 00:28:48,443
and I knew that it was coming from him.
561
00:28:48,445 --> 00:28:50,912
Well, I'll tell you a story
562
00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:52,611
about a guy that lived in this house.
563
00:28:52,613 --> 00:28:54,346
Name was Clarence.
564
00:28:54,348 --> 00:28:56,513
Really?
565
00:28:56,515 --> 00:28:58,213
Hmm.
566
00:28:58,215 --> 00:29:00,882
- Clarence Brown.
- My God.
567
00:29:00,884 --> 00:29:02,386
You didn't know that?
568
00:29:02,388 --> 00:29:05,324
Okay, he was 17 years old
when he moved here in 1930.
569
00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:08,294
Lived here with his father,
his mother, and his brother.
570
00:29:08,296 --> 00:29:10,463
Father had a printing shop in town.
571
00:29:10,465 --> 00:29:12,429
Depression hits, and they lose everything.
572
00:29:12,431 --> 00:29:14,800
Clarence is a 17-year-old kid.
573
00:29:14,802 --> 00:29:16,836
He decided, "You know what?
574
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,970
"I'm gonna start up a
counterfeiting business
575
00:29:18,972 --> 00:29:23,374
right in the basement here and
in the shop in Huron Street."
576
00:29:23,376 --> 00:29:26,140
So, he employed his father, his brother,
577
00:29:26,142 --> 00:29:28,274
and they were printing up money
578
00:29:28,276 --> 00:29:29,976
to the point where it got international.
579
00:29:29,978 --> 00:29:32,646
He was pissed about the government
580
00:29:32,648 --> 00:29:36,381
not doing the right thing
and helping the city.
581
00:29:36,383 --> 00:29:38,518
So, he thought by making money
582
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,154
and putting it into the community,
it would help things.
583
00:29:41,156 --> 00:29:44,724
So, it's 1935. The FBI busts him.
584
00:29:44,726 --> 00:29:47,828
- They arrested everybody... his father,
his brother. - Oh [bleep]
585
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:49,030
He said, "No, no. It was all on me.
586
00:29:49,032 --> 00:29:50,633
I'm the one that came up
with this whole scheme."
587
00:29:50,635 --> 00:29:53,471
He took the hit,
588
00:29:53,473 --> 00:29:55,707
and he did 2 1/2 out of 3 1/2
years he was supposed to do.
589
00:29:55,709 --> 00:29:57,844
So, he gets out of jail, comes back,
590
00:29:57,846 --> 00:29:59,612
and moves back into this house,
591
00:29:59,614 --> 00:30:01,147
gets married to a woman named Florence.
592
00:30:01,149 --> 00:30:03,348
And this is a photo.
593
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:07,185
This is him and Florence
when they got married.
594
00:30:07,187 --> 00:30:10,352
They had three boys and lived here.
595
00:30:10,354 --> 00:30:13,722
He goes straight, and he goes to
work for a local printing shop.
596
00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:15,422
1948, his mom,
597
00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:19,761
who lived in this house with him,
died in the house.
598
00:30:21,497 --> 00:30:24,833
That's when his life
kind of went for a turn.
599
00:30:24,835 --> 00:30:28,237
He starts getting mentally unstable.
600
00:30:28,239 --> 00:30:31,237
His wife tried everything...
601
00:30:31,239 --> 00:30:34,407
in and out of doctors,
electroshock therapy.
602
00:30:34,409 --> 00:30:38,781
1971, she had him committed
into a mental hospital.
603
00:30:38,783 --> 00:30:44,015
- He laid there for 26 years till he died,
1997. - Geez.
604
00:30:44,017 --> 00:30:46,220
Now, that head pain you were talking about.
605
00:30:46,222 --> 00:30:48,421
I have his death certificate.
606
00:30:48,423 --> 00:30:52,056
He died of cerebral atrophy.
607
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,698
I got photos of him later on in life.
608
00:31:00,302 --> 00:31:03,105
That's him right there.
609
00:31:03,107 --> 00:31:06,309
- So, you never knew the name Clarence?
- I didn't.
610
00:31:06,311 --> 00:31:07,443
You're not bull[bleep] me, right?
611
00:31:07,445 --> 00:31:09,644
I'm not bull[bleep] I'm
not bull[bleep] you.
612
00:31:09,646 --> 00:31:11,244
It happened, Steve.
613
00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:14,814
He's been talking to her for years.
614
00:31:14,816 --> 00:31:18,149
- You're pretty sure you met Clarence?
- Yeah.
615
00:31:18,151 --> 00:31:19,616
I'm blown away myself.
616
00:31:19,618 --> 00:31:22,051
Makes me very emotional.
617
00:31:22,053 --> 00:31:25,821
[Sighs]
618
00:31:31,097 --> 00:31:34,997
A lot of issues were going on upstairs.
619
00:31:34,999 --> 00:31:39,039
When I went into the bedroom to the right,
620
00:31:39,041 --> 00:31:41,009
it almost felt like I was suffocating.
621
00:31:41,011 --> 00:31:43,544
There's somebody in there
622
00:31:43,546 --> 00:31:45,915
who's very unhappy and lashing out.
623
00:31:45,917 --> 00:31:49,019
That person was a possible
poltergeist agent.
624
00:31:49,021 --> 00:31:52,889
Their emotions were coming
out in a physical way
625
00:31:52,891 --> 00:31:55,193
and affecting their surroundings...
626
00:31:55,195 --> 00:31:57,361
objects moving without explanation
627
00:31:57,363 --> 00:32:00,430
and possible harm to others.
628
00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:01,699
Oh, my gosh.
629
00:32:01,701 --> 00:32:03,832
That was my old room.
630
00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:06,601
I have really, really bad mood swings.
631
00:32:06,603 --> 00:32:09,773
Sometimes,
I can just go from being really happy
632
00:32:09,775 --> 00:32:11,206
to being really, really pissed off.
633
00:32:14,679 --> 00:32:17,314
- STEVE: Is there a poltergeist here?
- Absolutely.
634
00:32:17,316 --> 00:32:19,114
Is she the living agent?
635
00:32:19,116 --> 00:32:22,351
I don't know if she created the poltergeist,
636
00:32:22,353 --> 00:32:23,718
but she's definitely feeding it.
637
00:32:26,354 --> 00:32:28,688
It isn't a fully formed
entity at this point,
638
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:31,122
but it can cause a lot of chaos.
639
00:32:31,124 --> 00:32:33,992
When I first walked upstairs,
640
00:32:33,994 --> 00:32:37,501
I did see a woman get physically attacked.
641
00:32:37,503 --> 00:32:41,208
I saw her get lifted off the floor
642
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,510
and dragged across the little hallway.
643
00:32:44,811 --> 00:32:47,815
She wasn't the only one
being physically harmed.
644
00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:57,028
I was, uh... held down in the bed
645
00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:59,333
and sexually assaulted...
646
00:33:01,804 --> 00:33:03,071
in that bedroom.
647
00:33:03,073 --> 00:33:04,739
I couldn't breathe.
648
00:33:04,741 --> 00:33:06,442
I couldn't move.
649
00:33:06,444 --> 00:33:08,977
I don't know how long it lasted.
650
00:33:08,979 --> 00:33:11,280
It seemed like it lasted forever,
651
00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:15,549
and when it was gone, it was gone,
652
00:33:15,551 --> 00:33:16,950
but I was very sick after that.
653
00:33:16,952 --> 00:33:20,188
So, was this poltergeist what
could have attacked Angie?
654
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:22,256
Oh, no. That, I think, is something else.
655
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:29,864
The older man was telling
me that he had been fighting
656
00:33:29,866 --> 00:33:34,270
for quite some time a particular entity,
657
00:33:34,272 --> 00:33:36,105
but now there's more,
658
00:33:36,107 --> 00:33:40,806
and he can't contend with them any further.
659
00:33:40,808 --> 00:33:42,977
They're very strange-looking.
660
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:44,878
They kind of have bat faces.
661
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,511
Their mouths are kind of round,
662
00:33:46,513 --> 00:33:48,279
and they have, like, very sharp teeth.
663
00:33:48,281 --> 00:33:50,449
They have the pointed ears.
664
00:33:50,451 --> 00:33:53,349
I do not think that these
things were ever alive.
665
00:33:53,351 --> 00:33:57,820
I think they're innately, inherently evil.
666
00:33:57,822 --> 00:34:02,492
One thing I noticed was someone was saying
667
00:34:02,494 --> 00:34:04,993
some type of religious statement,
668
00:34:04,995 --> 00:34:09,269
and it did make them back... back up.
669
00:34:09,271 --> 00:34:12,373
So, for lack of a better word,
670
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:15,212
I would say that these things
are some kind of demons.
671
00:34:17,914 --> 00:34:20,518
You guys say when you pray, it stops.
672
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,220
Oh, yeah. It does.
673
00:34:22,222 --> 00:34:26,092
Also, the closet where I
saw most of these things
674
00:34:26,094 --> 00:34:28,964
was in the smaller room upstairs.
675
00:34:28,966 --> 00:34:31,465
That's my son's room.
676
00:34:31,467 --> 00:34:34,534
Is it possible that he's seen them?
677
00:34:34,536 --> 00:34:36,035
Yes.
678
00:34:36,037 --> 00:34:37,534
[Voice breaking] Because...
679
00:34:37,536 --> 00:34:41,307
he used to wake up with
really bad nightmares...
680
00:34:43,411 --> 00:34:45,810
and he's been pushed in his room before.
681
00:34:48,646 --> 00:34:52,083
I did do a sketch of what I saw.
682
00:35:00,855 --> 00:35:03,589
- Oh, I feel sick.
- [Bleep]
683
00:35:05,325 --> 00:35:08,460
Are you kidding me?
684
00:35:11,064 --> 00:35:12,299
[Sighs]
685
00:35:17,437 --> 00:35:18,938
Oh, geez.
686
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:21,438
That's the thing that I see.
687
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,342
[Sighs]
688
00:35:41,122 --> 00:35:44,459
AMY: I did do a sketch of what I saw.
689
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,902
- Oh, I feel sick.
- [Bleep]
690
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,140
Are you kidding me?
691
00:35:58,379 --> 00:35:59,612
[Sighs]
692
00:36:04,684 --> 00:36:06,254
Oh, geez.
693
00:36:06,256 --> 00:36:08,756
That's the thing that I see.
694
00:36:08,758 --> 00:36:10,655
[Sighs]
695
00:36:18,732 --> 00:36:23,205
More than likely,
that's the thing that attacked you.
696
00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:27,608
The big question for me now
697
00:36:27,610 --> 00:36:29,676
is are those things still in the closet?
698
00:36:29,678 --> 00:36:31,111
Um, yes.
699
00:36:33,783 --> 00:36:36,449
MAGGIE: [Sniffles]
700
00:36:36,451 --> 00:36:39,286
[Sobbing]
701
00:36:39,288 --> 00:36:42,356
It's all right, baby.
702
00:36:46,493 --> 00:36:49,597
I just feel guilty.
703
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,198
Why would you feel guilty, baby?
704
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,839
Just remembering him waking up and...
705
00:36:55,841 --> 00:36:57,408
[Sighs heavily]
706
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:58,776
There's just been times
707
00:36:58,778 --> 00:37:01,244
where I've kind of just put
him back to bed in there.
708
00:37:01,246 --> 00:37:02,879
It just makes me feel guilty.
709
00:37:05,914 --> 00:37:09,386
AMY: When I went into the child's room,
710
00:37:09,388 --> 00:37:12,121
I became very upset.
711
00:37:12,123 --> 00:37:17,161
The child in that room
had very strong abilities.
712
00:37:17,163 --> 00:37:19,931
That child comprehended very quickly
713
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:21,968
that he had these abilities,
714
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:24,671
was able to manipulate his environment,
715
00:37:24,673 --> 00:37:29,779
and therefore,
began attracting the other demons to come.
716
00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,583
These things are extraordinarily dangerous
717
00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:37,020
and that the older man is very concerned
718
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:42,131
and feels that they are
here to take... souls.
719
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:49,003
But their goal, really, is to...
possess him
720
00:37:49,005 --> 00:37:52,944
so that they can
721
00:37:52,946 --> 00:37:57,883
basically be able to function
through him to do harm.
722
00:37:57,885 --> 00:38:01,089
STEVE: All the things that
have happened to your son,
723
00:38:01,091 --> 00:38:05,128
him getting pushed and thrown,
724
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,963
that would have been from these things?
725
00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:08,601
Yes.
726
00:38:10,937 --> 00:38:12,436
ANGIE: I worry about the baby.
727
00:38:12,438 --> 00:38:14,539
Doesn't make me feel too
good about staying here.
728
00:38:14,541 --> 00:38:15,775
I'll tell you that.
729
00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:22,082
What do we do? That's what we need to know.
730
00:38:22,084 --> 00:38:24,951
What do we do?
731
00:38:24,953 --> 00:38:29,087
STEVE: I know this is not what
you wanted to hear tonight.
732
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:30,689
At least you know what's
going on in the house now.
733
00:38:30,691 --> 00:38:32,990
The big question is, though,
734
00:38:32,992 --> 00:38:36,792
can you still stay here
and raise Nathan safely?
735
00:38:36,794 --> 00:38:38,293
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy,
736
00:38:38,295 --> 00:38:39,927
and hopefully,
she'll have an answer for you.
737
00:38:41,796 --> 00:38:46,430
It seems to me that what's
basically going on here
738
00:38:46,432 --> 00:38:50,199
is that this older man is reaching out
739
00:38:50,201 --> 00:38:54,769
because he really feels
like he failed his family,
740
00:38:54,771 --> 00:38:59,241
and I think he wants to protect Nathan
741
00:38:59,243 --> 00:39:02,942
because he sees history repeating itself.
742
00:39:02,944 --> 00:39:04,511
I think that the first thing
743
00:39:04,513 --> 00:39:07,648
that needs to be done immediately
744
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:13,387
is the contact of a priest
or a demonologist...
745
00:39:13,389 --> 00:39:18,926
someone who can perform
an exorcism on the home
746
00:39:18,928 --> 00:39:20,928
and the property
747
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:23,997
that is just to be directed towards
748
00:39:23,999 --> 00:39:28,801
the negative demonic
entities that are present.
749
00:39:28,803 --> 00:39:31,138
I want this exorcism
750
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:38,173
to not incorporate the older man at all,
751
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:43,045
so that needs to be stated to
the priest or demonologist.
752
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:46,615
The second thing that needs to
be done as soon as possible...
753
00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:49,784
take Nathan to a child psychologist
754
00:39:49,786 --> 00:39:52,019
for a behavior observation.
755
00:39:52,021 --> 00:39:55,484
Once that's done,
give it about two or three weeks.
756
00:39:55,486 --> 00:39:58,155
Really pay attention to his behavior.
757
00:39:58,157 --> 00:40:01,426
If it improves substantially,
everything's good.
758
00:40:01,428 --> 00:40:03,226
If it does not,
759
00:40:03,228 --> 00:40:07,863
then he, as well,
would need to be, uh, exorcised.
760
00:40:11,538 --> 00:40:15,307
And that would have to be
done only by a priest.
761
00:40:17,243 --> 00:40:18,910
The issue with the older male...
762
00:40:18,912 --> 00:40:22,913
one night, Angie,
I want you to go and lay in your bed.
763
00:40:22,915 --> 00:40:26,781
I want you to ask Clarence to come to you.
764
00:40:26,783 --> 00:40:29,654
Let him know that his work is done,
765
00:40:29,656 --> 00:40:33,223
that he did a good job,
and it's time for him to go.
766
00:40:33,225 --> 00:40:35,928
Concerning the poltergeist phenomenon,
767
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:40,365
Maggie should take up a physical
but gentle form of exercise,
768
00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:43,202
such as yoga, tai chi, or qigong.
769
00:40:43,204 --> 00:40:47,472
This will help you to learn
how to control your abilities.
770
00:40:47,474 --> 00:40:50,407
It'll also serve as an emotional release.
771
00:40:50,409 --> 00:40:52,142
STEVE: You guys looked
pretty stunned when she said
772
00:40:52,144 --> 00:40:54,940
the exorcism of the house,
but especially of the baby.
773
00:40:54,942 --> 00:40:57,411
Yeah, I didn't expect that at all.
774
00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:59,078
I didn't, either,
to be honest with you, so...
775
00:41:05,655 --> 00:41:09,424
We'll do what we have to do to protect him.
776
00:41:09,426 --> 00:41:12,363
If, God forbid,
he has to have an exorcism from a priest,
777
00:41:12,365 --> 00:41:14,397
what would he go through?
778
00:41:14,399 --> 00:41:15,999
Would it be simple?
779
00:41:16,001 --> 00:41:19,906
I don't think that it's a full possession,
780
00:41:19,908 --> 00:41:23,543
so it would be fairly quick.
781
00:41:23,545 --> 00:41:28,584
He probably wouldn't even
fully register what's going on.
782
00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:30,252
He'd probably think that this person
783
00:41:30,254 --> 00:41:33,219
was just praying over him,
784
00:41:33,221 --> 00:41:35,788
so I don't think it would be
785
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:39,421
psychologically damaging in any way.
786
00:41:39,423 --> 00:41:43,391
That's tough advice that she gave you,
787
00:41:43,393 --> 00:41:45,729
and if, God forbid, he needs an exorcism,
788
00:41:45,731 --> 00:41:48,696
- are you gonna go through that?
- Yeah, we have to.
789
00:41:48,698 --> 00:41:53,133
I don't want to, but I will.
790
00:41:55,372 --> 00:41:58,140
AMY: There are several dead
people on Angie's property,
791
00:41:58,142 --> 00:42:01,144
but the demons inside
pose the greatest threat.
792
00:42:01,146 --> 00:42:03,349
I believe if they follow my advice,
793
00:42:03,351 --> 00:42:05,383
they will free their home
of the evil within it
794
00:42:05,385 --> 00:42:07,585
and be able to live a peaceful life.
795
00:42:07,635 --> 00:42:12,185
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