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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,911 --> 00:00:14,311 Somebody here is watching them. 2 00:00:14,354 --> 00:00:17,357 They just look creepy. 3 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:19,095 I've been physically touch. 4 00:00:19,097 --> 00:00:21,868 Things like touching. Ooh. 5 00:00:21,870 --> 00:00:24,544 They're cutting apart people with swords. 6 00:00:24,546 --> 00:00:26,847 I just want a safe spot for my family. 7 00:00:26,849 --> 00:00:28,349 Sue: I don't want my kids experiencing 8 00:00:28,351 --> 00:00:29,717 anything that I have. 9 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:33,456 They have their sights set on the children here. 10 00:00:34,592 --> 00:00:36,397 It's really bad in here. 11 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:38,566 My name is Amy Allan. 12 00:00:39,402 --> 00:00:41,604 Something is not right. 13 00:00:41,606 --> 00:00:42,740 I see dead people. 14 00:00:42,742 --> 00:00:44,978 This person might have been a serial killer. 15 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:46,815 I speak to dead people. 16 00:00:46,817 --> 00:00:48,550 You get those chills. 17 00:00:48,552 --> 00:00:49,918 And they speak to me. 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,456 He is darkness. He is evil. 19 00:00:52,458 --> 00:00:55,327 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 20 00:00:55,329 --> 00:00:57,129 I think she broke her neck. 21 00:00:57,131 --> 00:00:58,500 I rely on my partner. 22 00:00:58,502 --> 00:00:59,770 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 23 00:00:59,772 --> 00:01:02,974 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:02,976 --> 00:01:04,309 You telling me the truth? 25 00:01:04,311 --> 00:01:07,413 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 26 00:01:07,415 --> 00:01:09,049 I think the devil is down here. 27 00:01:09,051 --> 00:01:10,551 It's my job to reveal them. 28 00:01:10,553 --> 00:01:11,719 Who the hell would do this? 29 00:01:11,721 --> 00:01:14,155 But Steve and I never speak... 30 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:16,125 We never communicate during an investigation. 31 00:01:16,127 --> 00:01:17,493 ...until the very end. 32 00:01:17,495 --> 00:01:18,862 Who's he looking to kill? 33 00:01:18,864 --> 00:01:20,831 We uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 34 00:01:20,833 --> 00:01:23,136 You need to get out of here right now. 35 00:01:23,138 --> 00:01:24,305 Or time to get out. 36 00:01:24,307 --> 00:01:27,044 It was like endless darkness. 37 00:01:27,046 --> 00:01:31,050 The Dead Files 5x12 Innocent Blood - Rome, NY 38 00:01:31,052 --> 00:01:35,054 Sync & corrections by Alice www.addic7ed.com 39 00:01:46,852 --> 00:01:52,464 Steve: Amy and I work each case independently of one another. 40 00:01:52,466 --> 00:01:54,536 I interview living witnesses 41 00:01:54,538 --> 00:01:57,341 and uncover secrets about the property's past 42 00:01:57,343 --> 00:01:59,811 while Amy communicates with the dead. 43 00:02:03,887 --> 00:02:05,424 I'm in Rome, New York. 44 00:02:05,426 --> 00:02:07,463 It's about an hour east of Syracuse. 45 00:02:07,465 --> 00:02:09,699 Amy and I got called in by a young married couple, 46 00:02:09,701 --> 00:02:10,868 Sue and Joe. 47 00:02:10,870 --> 00:02:13,272 They didn't sound very good on the phone. 48 00:02:13,274 --> 00:02:15,543 The activity's so bad and so physical, 49 00:02:15,545 --> 00:02:17,814 Sue had moved out with the three kids. 50 00:02:17,816 --> 00:02:18,950 But now she's back. 51 00:02:18,952 --> 00:02:21,323 She says if we can't help her find a way 52 00:02:21,325 --> 00:02:24,192 to make the activity stop, it may end her marriage. 53 00:02:24,194 --> 00:02:26,829 I'm really hoping Amy and I can help them out. 54 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:34,905 Matthew: Before Amy arrives, 55 00:02:34,907 --> 00:02:38,079 I clear the area of any leading information. 56 00:02:38,081 --> 00:02:40,914 Family photos and other personal items 57 00:02:40,916 --> 00:02:43,015 need to be covered or removed. 58 00:02:43,017 --> 00:02:47,218 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 59 00:02:58,434 --> 00:03:00,536 Amy: So in my opening, 60 00:03:00,538 --> 00:03:07,044 I saw all of these thick trees, 61 00:03:07,046 --> 00:03:10,213 and there were all these native American warriors 62 00:03:10,215 --> 00:03:13,148 standing there with their bow and arrow drawn. 63 00:03:17,457 --> 00:03:20,859 They're waiting for something to happen. 64 00:03:20,861 --> 00:03:24,329 They were put there by this leader guy. 65 00:03:24,331 --> 00:03:28,967 He says it is some kind of, like, spirit warfare. 66 00:03:33,941 --> 00:03:39,880 He says that there were problems before the white man, 67 00:03:39,882 --> 00:03:44,654 that they had a lot of battles, many battles, 68 00:03:44,656 --> 00:03:47,722 with these spirits. 69 00:03:55,859 --> 00:03:59,731 Steve: Sue, you sounded clearly upset on the phone. 70 00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:03,237 Give me an idea of what you're going through. 71 00:04:05,272 --> 00:04:08,941 We hear banging, knocking, footsteps. 72 00:04:08,943 --> 00:04:11,111 I've seen apparitions. 73 00:04:11,113 --> 00:04:12,681 I've been physically touched. 74 00:04:12,683 --> 00:04:15,521 I've tried to rationalize with myself 75 00:04:15,523 --> 00:04:17,490 a million times over again. 76 00:04:17,492 --> 00:04:19,491 I have tried to make up every excuse in the book 77 00:04:19,493 --> 00:04:21,558 other than it being paranormal. 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,861 Now, do you believe in this stuff? 79 00:04:23,863 --> 00:04:25,631 What really made me believe in it 80 00:04:25,633 --> 00:04:27,369 was when my 8-year-old daughter, 81 00:04:27,371 --> 00:04:30,811 you know, she heard people talking, whispering. 82 00:04:30,813 --> 00:04:32,313 - Is this your kids here? - Yes. 83 00:04:33,882 --> 00:04:35,048 Now, who's who? 84 00:04:35,050 --> 00:04:36,249 This is Madison. 85 00:04:36,251 --> 00:04:37,184 Okay. 86 00:04:37,186 --> 00:04:39,321 That's Brooke Lynn and Joey. 87 00:04:39,323 --> 00:04:41,858 You had actually left with the kids at one point, right? 88 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:42,693 Yes. 89 00:04:42,695 --> 00:04:46,167 I moved out for 11 months. 90 00:04:46,169 --> 00:04:47,836 [ Sniffs ] 91 00:04:47,838 --> 00:04:50,572 I just couldn't take it anymore. 92 00:04:50,574 --> 00:04:53,177 They do not like to be alone. 93 00:04:53,179 --> 00:04:56,783 - So did you take them out to protect them? - Yes. 94 00:04:56,785 --> 00:04:59,053 I don't want my kids to grow up experiencing 95 00:04:59,055 --> 00:05:01,889 anything that I have. 96 00:05:03,292 --> 00:05:06,863 What made you come back home? 97 00:05:06,865 --> 00:05:09,469 I wanted my family back. 98 00:05:09,471 --> 00:05:13,412 I don't want them to be from a broken home. 99 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:14,780 But you came back to hell. 100 00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:15,781 Yeah. 101 00:05:15,783 --> 00:05:17,451 The same as it was before I left. 102 00:05:17,453 --> 00:05:21,224 Have you guys ever thought about just moving? 103 00:05:21,226 --> 00:05:23,528 That would be last resort only because 104 00:05:23,530 --> 00:05:25,798 my husband inherited it from his grandparents, 105 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,866 so he's got an emotional attachment. 106 00:05:31,972 --> 00:05:33,773 This native American guy 107 00:05:33,775 --> 00:05:37,512 says that there is some kind of a family of beasts, 108 00:05:37,514 --> 00:05:41,576 and they think that they're ghosts. 109 00:05:41,578 --> 00:05:45,815 These things are occasionally trying to enter the house. 110 00:05:49,154 --> 00:05:52,089 They're very dark, 111 00:05:52,091 --> 00:05:55,658 and they look kind of like human beings, 112 00:05:55,660 --> 00:05:58,296 but they're definitely not. 113 00:05:58,298 --> 00:05:59,831 Were they living? 114 00:05:59,833 --> 00:06:01,735 I don't know yet. 115 00:06:01,737 --> 00:06:04,837 They just look creepy. 116 00:06:10,174 --> 00:06:13,277 Steve: Okay, so why'd you bring me in the kitchen? 117 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,613 Well, we hear knocking at the door. 118 00:06:15,615 --> 00:06:17,146 Okay. 119 00:06:17,148 --> 00:06:19,512 Get up, answer it, nobody there. 120 00:06:19,514 --> 00:06:20,414 Okay. 121 00:06:20,416 --> 00:06:22,584 So, is anything else going on? 122 00:06:22,586 --> 00:06:25,022 Banging. 123 00:06:25,024 --> 00:06:27,893 It's a... bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! 124 00:06:27,895 --> 00:06:29,192 Where does it sound like it's coming from? 125 00:06:29,194 --> 00:06:31,926 The far right corner of the living room. 126 00:06:31,928 --> 00:06:33,659 If something's wrong with the pressure in the pipes, 127 00:06:33,661 --> 00:06:34,659 that would bang. 128 00:06:34,661 --> 00:06:36,594 All of our pipes are in the basement. 129 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:38,331 And does it happen at any given time? 130 00:06:38,333 --> 00:06:39,534 Mainly at night. 131 00:06:39,536 --> 00:06:41,236 Well, that's got to scare the hell out of you. 132 00:06:41,238 --> 00:06:42,603 Startles you. 133 00:06:42,605 --> 00:06:45,235 I mean, you'll jump out of your skin when you hear it. 134 00:06:48,203 --> 00:06:52,540 These things are pretty tall. 135 00:06:52,542 --> 00:06:54,643 How tall? 136 00:06:54,645 --> 00:06:56,944 Well, see where that dent thing is? 137 00:06:59,745 --> 00:07:01,778 About that tall. 138 00:07:01,780 --> 00:07:05,818 Their head kind of jets forward on a long neck, 139 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:07,154 and they're hunched, 140 00:07:07,156 --> 00:07:09,988 and you can really see their shoulder blades. 141 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:13,488 And also, they have, like, a spine thing that sticks out. 142 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:17,692 And then really long arms with the long fingers. 143 00:07:17,694 --> 00:07:24,564 It's like a weird dragging sound against the house. 144 00:07:28,833 --> 00:07:31,937 Do you have any idea how the living might perceive them? 145 00:07:31,939 --> 00:07:35,038 Making noises on the outside of the house, 146 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,537 looking in through windows, growling. 147 00:07:38,539 --> 00:07:40,170 Do you know what they want? 148 00:07:40,172 --> 00:07:43,641 They definitely have their sights set on the children here. 149 00:07:46,679 --> 00:07:49,813 Maybe these are what the native American warriors 150 00:07:49,815 --> 00:07:51,915 - are fending off? - Hm. 151 00:07:51,917 --> 00:07:56,054 Maybe they are trying to protect kids? 152 00:08:01,555 --> 00:08:06,758 Sue: I hear footsteps walking in here at night. 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,561 So it sounds like it's in the room with you? 154 00:08:08,563 --> 00:08:09,462 Mm-hmm. 155 00:08:09,464 --> 00:08:11,131 Okay. You have the TV in here now. 156 00:08:11,133 --> 00:08:12,599 - Do you keep the TV on? - No. 157 00:08:12,601 --> 00:08:14,265 And there's no sounds coming from upstairs, 158 00:08:14,267 --> 00:08:15,999 - like the kids walking around, or... - No. 159 00:08:16,001 --> 00:08:18,269 Is anything else going on? 160 00:08:18,271 --> 00:08:21,475 Aside from being touched a few times, no. 161 00:08:21,477 --> 00:08:23,678 What do you mean "touched"? 162 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,313 Well, there was an incident in the shower one time 163 00:08:26,315 --> 00:08:27,913 where I felt like somebody had rubbed 164 00:08:27,915 --> 00:08:29,312 the outer part of my right arm. 165 00:08:29,314 --> 00:08:31,615 And there was another time... 166 00:08:31,617 --> 00:08:33,852 in the living room, on the couch. 167 00:08:33,854 --> 00:08:35,156 Okay, what happened? 168 00:08:35,158 --> 00:08:40,827 I felt this... grope. 169 00:08:40,829 --> 00:08:43,361 So I'm assuming it was forceful. 170 00:08:43,363 --> 00:08:45,296 Okay. 171 00:08:45,298 --> 00:08:48,202 Being touched, it's a violation. 172 00:08:48,204 --> 00:08:51,205 Not only for me, but for my husband. 173 00:08:51,207 --> 00:08:54,372 I will do whatever I have to do to make sure that my kids 174 00:08:54,374 --> 00:08:57,206 do not experience what I have experienced. 175 00:08:59,912 --> 00:09:04,854 They definitely messed with the boy who lives here. 176 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:09,623 In this one, I just hear crying. 177 00:09:09,625 --> 00:09:14,763 Crying and things like touching. Ooh. 178 00:09:14,765 --> 00:09:17,600 This is not good. 179 00:09:17,602 --> 00:09:18,433 Oh [Bleep] 180 00:09:18,435 --> 00:09:19,768 Like, trying to hide, 181 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:22,402 and those weird [Bleep] finger [Bleep] or whatever. 182 00:09:25,004 --> 00:09:28,512 He was crying 'cause he was scared. 183 00:09:28,514 --> 00:09:32,081 So, you mentioned you were worried about the kids. 184 00:09:32,083 --> 00:09:34,213 What's going on with them? 185 00:09:34,215 --> 00:09:36,782 Well, Joey... he's more of just... 186 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:38,786 Scared to go upstairs alone. 187 00:09:38,788 --> 00:09:40,890 Brooke Lynn also is the same way, 188 00:09:40,892 --> 00:09:42,927 but she seems to be a little bit more sensitive. 189 00:09:42,929 --> 00:09:44,562 She's hearing voices. 190 00:09:44,564 --> 00:09:48,828 I wonder if she's being affected more than I know. 191 00:09:48,830 --> 00:09:53,002 I don't want them to grow up and be scared. 192 00:09:53,004 --> 00:09:56,675 You know, my worst fear is that they might get worse. 193 00:09:56,677 --> 00:09:58,674 [ Voice breaking ] This is home to them, 194 00:09:58,676 --> 00:10:01,107 and they shouldn't be afraid. 195 00:10:03,111 --> 00:10:05,716 Well, for some [Bleep] up reason, 196 00:10:05,718 --> 00:10:07,386 dead people come here. 197 00:10:07,388 --> 00:10:11,288 I see this dead woman. 198 00:10:11,290 --> 00:10:13,622 She's kneeling on the floor right here. 199 00:10:13,624 --> 00:10:16,026 She's only one of many... many of them. 200 00:10:18,832 --> 00:10:21,969 I think the creatures here have never been human, 201 00:10:21,971 --> 00:10:24,602 but now I'm seeing dead people lined up, 202 00:10:24,604 --> 00:10:26,871 and they're seeking help from a living person. 203 00:10:26,873 --> 00:10:30,680 This person here might have... 204 00:10:30,682 --> 00:10:34,084 ohh... an idea that they are a medium. 205 00:10:34,086 --> 00:10:38,318 Dead people coming to get moved on. 206 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,222 This is not good for them. 207 00:10:40,224 --> 00:10:42,058 No, this kid's got to go. 208 00:11:04,843 --> 00:11:05,910 Steve: Joe, your wife, Sue, 209 00:11:05,912 --> 00:11:08,344 said that you actually grew up in this house as a kid. 210 00:11:08,346 --> 00:11:11,783 My grandparents used to live in this house when I was a kid. 211 00:11:11,785 --> 00:11:14,087 - I grew up across the street. - Okay. 212 00:11:14,089 --> 00:11:15,891 So, I was always over here. 213 00:11:15,893 --> 00:11:18,191 Did you have experiences as a kid here? 214 00:11:18,193 --> 00:11:20,459 You know, a couple different times, 215 00:11:20,461 --> 00:11:23,195 but I kind of blew it off as, you know, it's no big deal. 216 00:11:23,197 --> 00:11:24,933 So your grandparents, I assume, 217 00:11:24,935 --> 00:11:27,972 - the way you're talking now, they both passed away? - Yeah. 218 00:11:27,974 --> 00:11:29,807 My grandmother passed in 1997. 219 00:11:29,809 --> 00:11:32,308 She had developed emphysema, 220 00:11:32,310 --> 00:11:35,243 and then the emphysema led to bone cancer. 221 00:11:35,245 --> 00:11:38,949 She passed away in the house, under hospice care. 222 00:11:38,951 --> 00:11:39,784 Okay. 223 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:41,885 What kind of woman was she? 224 00:11:41,887 --> 00:11:44,085 She treated me like, you know, her little prince, 225 00:11:44,087 --> 00:11:45,152 to be honest with you, 226 00:11:45,154 --> 00:11:46,955 and that's how she always made me feel. 227 00:11:46,957 --> 00:11:49,960 She made me feel loved. 228 00:11:49,962 --> 00:11:54,232 Very kindhearted lady. Loved to cook. 229 00:11:54,234 --> 00:11:55,698 I mean, I miss her cooking. 230 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:57,399 You know, she was my role model. 231 00:11:57,401 --> 00:12:00,103 When Grandma passed on, it was very hard for me. 232 00:12:03,359 --> 00:12:05,830 I'm getting this older woman. 233 00:12:05,832 --> 00:12:08,368 She was always cooking and cleaning in here. 234 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:09,368 She was little. 235 00:12:09,370 --> 00:12:13,203 Tiny, little lady. Very frail. 236 00:12:13,205 --> 00:12:18,443 And she's putzing around, putzing around. 237 00:12:18,445 --> 00:12:21,981 She's, I don't know, related to somebody here or something? 238 00:12:21,983 --> 00:12:24,216 Living? 239 00:12:24,218 --> 00:12:25,918 Yes. 240 00:12:27,387 --> 00:12:31,425 Now, Joe, when did your grandfather die? 241 00:12:31,427 --> 00:12:35,198 He died September 10, 2001, the day before 9/11. 242 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,098 Wow. 243 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:38,367 I'm not sure how he passed on. 244 00:12:38,369 --> 00:12:41,436 There was never an autopsy done. 245 00:12:41,438 --> 00:12:44,475 I think that he had a massive heart attack. 246 00:12:44,477 --> 00:12:47,613 He was a hard-core smoker, three packs a day. 247 00:12:47,615 --> 00:12:50,715 He actually passed away right here in the kitchen, 248 00:12:50,717 --> 00:12:52,918 and he was, you know, dead on the floor. 249 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,419 Okay. 250 00:12:54,421 --> 00:12:56,255 Do you know how old grandpa was when he died? 251 00:12:56,257 --> 00:12:57,425 75. 252 00:12:57,427 --> 00:12:59,695 Okay, so what kind of a guy was your grandfather? 253 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:02,715 He was a Sicilian-American immigrant. 254 00:13:02,717 --> 00:13:05,519 He was very tough, hard-nosed, old-school Italian. 255 00:13:05,521 --> 00:13:07,323 Somebody that I looked up to. 256 00:13:07,325 --> 00:13:09,294 I actually have a picture here 257 00:13:09,296 --> 00:13:12,132 of him and I from when I was a little guy. 258 00:13:12,134 --> 00:13:14,800 Joe, you obviously knew your grandparents 259 00:13:14,802 --> 00:13:16,701 - better than anybody. - Right. 260 00:13:16,703 --> 00:13:17,969 Would they want you 261 00:13:17,971 --> 00:13:20,104 to stay here and fight whatever the hell is going on? 262 00:13:20,106 --> 00:13:21,875 They wouldn't want me to give up. 263 00:13:21,877 --> 00:13:23,111 Right. 264 00:13:23,113 --> 00:13:25,447 They would want me to fight for what is mine. 265 00:13:25,449 --> 00:13:29,648 And they instilled in me, you know, you never give up. 266 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,357 [ Sighs ] 267 00:13:35,359 --> 00:13:38,626 I see, like, some kids running by. 268 00:13:38,628 --> 00:13:43,063 A little girl and, I think, a little boy. 269 00:13:43,065 --> 00:13:46,832 They're probably between, like, 5 and 8? 270 00:13:46,834 --> 00:13:50,938 Somebody here is watching them. 271 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:54,675 I think that this is a male. 272 00:13:54,677 --> 00:13:58,513 He's pretty dang old. He's probably like 70 maybe. 273 00:13:58,515 --> 00:14:01,082 Yeah, I think he's Italian. 274 00:14:01,084 --> 00:14:02,519 A heavy, heavy smoker. 275 00:14:02,521 --> 00:14:04,555 He's not a bad guy. 276 00:14:04,557 --> 00:14:06,858 Do you know when he's from? 277 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:11,397 Maybe he died in, like, the '90s? 278 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:15,469 1990s? Early 2000? 279 00:14:15,471 --> 00:14:17,270 Do you know how he died? 280 00:14:17,272 --> 00:14:19,406 I think he had a heart attack. 281 00:14:19,408 --> 00:14:21,041 Maybe it was emphysema, 282 00:14:21,043 --> 00:14:25,213 'cause I can't [Bleep] breathe for [Bleep] from him. 283 00:14:31,382 --> 00:14:34,952 So, Joe, what made you bring me out here? 284 00:14:34,954 --> 00:14:36,321 I was inside, and I noticed, 285 00:14:36,323 --> 00:14:39,527 off to the right-hand side, over here, 286 00:14:39,529 --> 00:14:40,796 there was two mirrors, 287 00:14:40,798 --> 00:14:42,967 and I noticed that both of 'em cracked 288 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:44,369 and was just stunned. 289 00:14:44,371 --> 00:14:46,669 Kind of really frightened me, to be honest with you. 290 00:14:46,671 --> 00:14:48,935 So, did anything hit it that would have caused it to crack? 291 00:14:48,937 --> 00:14:51,905 There was nothing that could have been thrown at it, 292 00:14:51,907 --> 00:14:53,140 nothing that hit it. 293 00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:55,944 It wasn't broke when I looked at it 294 00:14:55,946 --> 00:14:57,746 three minutes prior to this happening. 295 00:14:57,748 --> 00:14:59,015 Okay. 296 00:14:59,017 --> 00:15:00,447 Let me ask you a question, Joe. 297 00:15:00,449 --> 00:15:02,282 What are you trying to get out of our investigation? 298 00:15:02,284 --> 00:15:03,817 What's the best thing we could do for you? 299 00:15:03,819 --> 00:15:06,153 I don't want the kids to be affected. 300 00:15:06,155 --> 00:15:08,924 I don't want to have to keep things from them. 301 00:15:08,926 --> 00:15:11,828 You know, as a dad and as a father, 302 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:14,527 I just want to be there to protect them. 303 00:15:14,529 --> 00:15:16,262 I just want things to stop. 304 00:15:16,264 --> 00:15:18,298 It's been tough on your marriage. 305 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:21,870 Yeah, it's been tough. It's weighed pretty hard. 306 00:15:21,872 --> 00:15:24,307 You know, it's tough to talk about those things 307 00:15:24,309 --> 00:15:27,176 because she means everything to me, 308 00:15:27,178 --> 00:15:30,379 and without her, I would have no family. 309 00:15:30,381 --> 00:15:32,548 Since she has come back, you know, 310 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:34,549 she's been touched and whatnot, 311 00:15:34,551 --> 00:15:37,051 and I just want a safe spot for my family. 312 00:15:37,053 --> 00:15:38,919 That's all that I want, really. 313 00:15:54,095 --> 00:15:55,732 Steve: I combed through my client's property records, 314 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:57,201 and as it turns out, 315 00:15:57,203 --> 00:16:00,071 a family lived on the land for 50 years. 316 00:16:00,073 --> 00:16:02,842 Most of the time, this doesn't amount to much, 317 00:16:02,844 --> 00:16:04,511 but I spoke to a local genealogist 318 00:16:04,513 --> 00:16:06,613 who told me the family that lived on the land 319 00:16:06,615 --> 00:16:09,784 suffered enough tragedy to last ten lifetimes. 320 00:16:11,254 --> 00:16:13,222 [ Thunder rumbles ] 321 00:16:18,831 --> 00:16:20,299 Steve: Kobler family... 322 00:16:20,301 --> 00:16:23,636 they lived on my client's property for almost 50 years. 323 00:16:23,638 --> 00:16:25,739 From about 1874 to 1919. 324 00:16:25,741 --> 00:16:27,508 Now, when we spoke on the phone, 325 00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:29,478 you said that there were some terrible times 326 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,747 - on the property when they were there. - There was. 327 00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:34,685 It all seems to center around this guy, Henry J. Kobler. 328 00:16:37,523 --> 00:16:41,661 It started at the age of 9 when his dad died. 329 00:16:41,663 --> 00:16:43,997 His father was about 34 years old 330 00:16:43,999 --> 00:16:47,502 and passed away of unknown reasons. 331 00:16:47,504 --> 00:16:48,837 34 is young. 332 00:16:48,839 --> 00:16:50,706 - It is very young. - Okay. 333 00:16:50,708 --> 00:16:53,210 And as part of his father's will, 334 00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:55,846 Henry was actually to be given to another family 335 00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:59,285 as a valuable farmhand as a way for the family to live. 336 00:16:59,287 --> 00:17:01,487 I've never heard of that before. 337 00:17:01,489 --> 00:17:05,226 And this lasted for five years 338 00:17:05,228 --> 00:17:07,162 when he was finally returned to his mother. 339 00:17:07,164 --> 00:17:08,530 Okay. 340 00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:09,732 But it continues. 341 00:17:09,734 --> 00:17:11,768 In 1901, his grandmother, 342 00:17:11,770 --> 00:17:13,303 who was about 83 years old... 343 00:17:13,305 --> 00:17:15,406 keep in mind, she was deaf... 344 00:17:15,408 --> 00:17:18,744 was picking berries one day on the property 345 00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:23,484 and was attacked by a bull and killed. 346 00:17:23,486 --> 00:17:24,852 She was mutilated. 347 00:17:24,854 --> 00:17:26,188 All right. 348 00:17:28,725 --> 00:17:33,664 There's this crazy lady who does run around outside. 349 00:17:36,102 --> 00:17:40,340 She's just all over the [Bleep] place. 350 00:17:40,342 --> 00:17:42,843 And she did die poorly. 351 00:17:42,845 --> 00:17:45,113 What do you mean? 352 00:17:45,115 --> 00:17:46,982 Her head, you know, got... 353 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,319 it got chopped off... 354 00:17:49,321 --> 00:17:50,821 or ripped off, more. 355 00:17:50,823 --> 00:17:54,359 It's not a nice, clean cut. 356 00:17:57,464 --> 00:17:59,599 Oh, my gosh. 357 00:17:59,601 --> 00:18:01,335 It's messy, very messy. 358 00:18:05,074 --> 00:18:08,144 Steve: I'm almost afraid to ask. What else happened to him? 359 00:18:08,146 --> 00:18:10,614 This is probably the darkest part of his life. 360 00:18:10,616 --> 00:18:14,085 He had a daughter. Her name was Ella. 361 00:18:15,422 --> 00:18:19,893 And in 1920, she was 16 years old, 362 00:18:19,895 --> 00:18:22,664 and she was coming home from a friend's house, 363 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:25,434 and she was struck by a car. 364 00:18:25,436 --> 00:18:27,404 Wow. 365 00:18:27,406 --> 00:18:30,875 She was an only child. 366 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,677 Oh, geez. 367 00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:35,147 - This guy can't catch a break, can he? - Correct. 368 00:18:35,149 --> 00:18:38,485 And actually, three years later, his wife, Fannie, 369 00:18:38,487 --> 00:18:41,389 she passed away of a botched surgery. 370 00:18:41,391 --> 00:18:42,591 You're kidding. 371 00:18:42,593 --> 00:18:46,563 She was having a routine stomach procedure, 372 00:18:46,565 --> 00:18:50,067 and she just died mysteriously and unexpectedly. 373 00:18:50,069 --> 00:18:51,636 Wow. 374 00:18:51,638 --> 00:18:54,407 He ended up passing away at the age of 67. 375 00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:57,244 The tragedy in this guy's life is overwhelming. 376 00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:08,191 This native American guy is saying, like, 377 00:19:08,193 --> 00:19:10,094 how it's not safe here. 378 00:19:10,096 --> 00:19:12,964 There's no place that's safe here. 379 00:19:12,966 --> 00:19:16,008 Everyone's at risk. 380 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:20,813 He is saying that, um... 381 00:19:20,815 --> 00:19:26,819 that everyone knew that nobody should be here. 382 00:19:26,821 --> 00:19:30,917 That people shouldn't live in this area. 383 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:34,753 That it's just for ghosts to live. 384 00:19:34,755 --> 00:19:39,355 So, he just wants to help them clear the area out. 385 00:19:39,357 --> 00:19:41,457 Of what? 386 00:19:45,127 --> 00:19:46,661 Living people. 387 00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:09,175 Steve: So far, I've uncovered multiple deaths 388 00:20:09,177 --> 00:20:11,610 that are directly tied to my client's property. 389 00:20:12,612 --> 00:20:15,981 But I need to see if there's anything else. 390 00:20:15,983 --> 00:20:18,818 Digging through old records, I find the Joslin family 391 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:21,253 originally owned the land I'm investigating. 392 00:20:21,255 --> 00:20:25,791 Turns out, they suffered a lot of loss in their time there. 393 00:20:29,928 --> 00:20:31,230 I'm on my way to meet 394 00:20:31,232 --> 00:20:33,666 with a local historian who did some digging for me. 395 00:20:33,668 --> 00:20:35,834 She says she found some information 396 00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:37,937 that will definitely help my case. 397 00:20:45,411 --> 00:20:47,446 Now, Mary, when I did my research, 398 00:20:47,448 --> 00:20:49,281 I came across a couple of deaths 399 00:20:49,283 --> 00:20:50,749 associated with the Joslin family, 400 00:20:50,751 --> 00:20:53,252 - but you said there was a lot more. - There was a lot more, yes. 401 00:20:53,254 --> 00:20:55,587 - Okay, how many are we talking about? - They had ten children, 402 00:20:55,589 --> 00:20:58,423 and four of those children died as babies. 403 00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:01,126 And then they had two young adults die 404 00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:02,427 from tuberculosis, 405 00:21:02,429 --> 00:21:05,130 which was very prevalent in that era. 406 00:21:05,132 --> 00:21:08,533 Now, Mary, out of the remaining kids that lived, 407 00:21:08,535 --> 00:21:10,702 did any of them stay on the property? 408 00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:11,703 Yes, Foster did. 409 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,171 Okay, so what happened with him? 410 00:21:13,173 --> 00:21:15,540 He lived to be about 60 years old. 411 00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:17,075 He was a very busy man. 412 00:21:17,077 --> 00:21:19,111 He married at the age of 58, 413 00:21:19,113 --> 00:21:23,081 and they had one child, who died as a baby. 414 00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:25,350 Shortly afterwards, not even a year later, 415 00:21:25,352 --> 00:21:27,786 Foster dies on that property. 416 00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:35,060 I'm seeing those weird creatures again. 417 00:21:35,062 --> 00:21:37,963 A lot of children they would eat. 418 00:21:37,965 --> 00:21:40,398 I do see, like, the kids are being bit. 419 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,968 [ Indistinct screaming ] 420 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,335 Open their chests. 421 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,938 The leader of the native Americans 422 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:48,840 is showing me a horrifying scene 423 00:21:48,842 --> 00:21:51,843 where the tall creatures by the side of the house 424 00:21:51,845 --> 00:21:53,478 are killing small children. 425 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,913 Kids? 426 00:21:54,915 --> 00:21:56,047 Kids. 427 00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:02,287 It's pretty gross and sad. 428 00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,761 Steve: In my research, I also found out 429 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,629 that my client's property was near 430 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:14,465 the site of a bloody battle during the French-Indian war. 431 00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:16,901 I'm heading over to meet with a local historian 432 00:22:16,903 --> 00:22:18,236 at the actual battle site. 433 00:22:18,238 --> 00:22:20,371 He tells me it was the most violent fight 434 00:22:20,373 --> 00:22:21,639 in the region's history. 435 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,384 Keith: This is where the actual Battle of Fort Bull took place 436 00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:36,354 in March 27, 1756. 437 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:38,689 What was the French-Indian war all about? 438 00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:40,458 It was between two superpowers... 439 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:41,826 the British and the French. 440 00:22:41,828 --> 00:22:44,161 The British were building forts here, 441 00:22:44,163 --> 00:22:48,232 and the French felt that it was getting too close to their area, 442 00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:49,600 so they sent the men down here 443 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,736 with the Indians from Canada, 444 00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,971 and they ended up surrounding the fort. 445 00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:55,072 And who led these people? 446 00:22:55,074 --> 00:22:57,308 The Lieutenant Gaspard de Léry. 447 00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:58,309 Okay. 448 00:22:58,311 --> 00:23:00,611 And he had with him the Indian... 449 00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:03,080 Colonel Louis Cook, who was from Canada. 450 00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:05,883 Okay, so now what went down with this fight? 451 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:07,952 - The British were inside this fort here. - Okay. 452 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:10,588 The French come up to the holes in the fort 453 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:12,223 and were shooting in there, 454 00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:13,557 then they started chopping at the door. 455 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,659 And finally, they got through it, 456 00:23:15,661 --> 00:23:18,028 and they're cutting apart people with swords, 457 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:19,663 and then they were scalping them. 458 00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:21,098 Wow. 459 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,299 It was a bloodbath. 460 00:23:22,301 --> 00:23:26,403 The British ended up losing approximately 60 men. 461 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:29,373 So, what wound up happening to the fort? 462 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:31,575 The French burned it down with he bodies right in it. 463 00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:33,110 Okay. 464 00:23:35,146 --> 00:23:39,817 Somebody says something about the dead man down there. 465 00:23:39,819 --> 00:23:41,385 I guess they were settlers. 466 00:23:41,387 --> 00:23:43,287 For whatever reason, 467 00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:46,523 they seem to be stuck down there. 468 00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:53,463 I do see one of them getting their head bashed in. 469 00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:59,569 I think they got ambushed, were brutally murdered. 470 00:23:59,571 --> 00:24:01,071 Yeah. 471 00:24:01,073 --> 00:24:03,240 Do you know who ambushed them? 472 00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:05,342 I think it was native Americans. 473 00:24:11,949 --> 00:24:16,253 I saw many entities during my walk, 474 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:18,388 but two stood out the clearest. 475 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:21,224 First, the old man watching over the kids. 476 00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:26,296 He was probably 60, 65. 477 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:28,465 Heavyset. 478 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,002 Very long eyebrows, very thick. 479 00:24:32,004 --> 00:24:34,104 His nose is rather large. 480 00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,607 Next, I described the tall, dangerous creatures 481 00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:39,476 by the side of the house. 482 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,478 It was hunched. 483 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,381 The shoulder blades were kind of popping out. 484 00:24:45,383 --> 00:24:49,185 It didn't have any features. 485 00:24:54,657 --> 00:24:57,192 Yes, that's what I saw. 486 00:25:16,237 --> 00:25:19,706 Steve: Now that Amy and I have finished our investigations, 487 00:25:19,708 --> 00:25:21,574 it's time to reveal our findings 488 00:25:21,576 --> 00:25:24,544 to our clients and each other for the first time. 489 00:25:24,546 --> 00:25:26,679 Amy, I'd like you to meet Joe and Sue. 490 00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:30,350 They're a great, down-to-earth couple, 491 00:25:30,352 --> 00:25:32,485 but the activity in the house is ripping them apart. 492 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,454 It's got so bad last year, 493 00:25:34,456 --> 00:25:36,789 Sue actually left with the three kids 494 00:25:36,791 --> 00:25:39,392 and moved out and stayed away for a while. 495 00:25:39,394 --> 00:25:41,761 She's been back around, what, five months? 496 00:25:41,763 --> 00:25:44,564 Actually, the activity's gotten even worse now. 497 00:25:44,566 --> 00:25:46,499 They needed our help, and they want to know 498 00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:49,135 if they can actually stay here and be safe with their family. 499 00:25:49,137 --> 00:25:50,736 So now that Amy knows a little bit 500 00:25:50,738 --> 00:25:52,405 about what's going on with you guys, 501 00:25:52,407 --> 00:25:54,407 I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk for us. 502 00:25:58,846 --> 00:26:05,117 When I first opened, I saw native Americans, 503 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,521 and they had their bows and arrows drawn, 504 00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:11,424 and they were just in that stance. 505 00:26:11,426 --> 00:26:18,464 I got that they were alive around 1740, 1750s. 506 00:26:18,466 --> 00:26:22,568 What they're doing is attempting to protect the area. 507 00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:26,539 There was some type of... 508 00:26:26,541 --> 00:26:30,309 and still is... some kind of, like, spiritual warfare 509 00:26:30,311 --> 00:26:31,744 going on for them. 510 00:26:31,746 --> 00:26:36,148 I met this older native American man. 511 00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:38,284 What he said was that this place 512 00:26:38,286 --> 00:26:42,421 was not meant for the living to be in. 513 00:26:42,423 --> 00:26:44,690 It is meant for the dead. 514 00:26:44,692 --> 00:26:47,726 I'm not surprised you saw native Americans 515 00:26:47,728 --> 00:26:50,863 because the British had set up a fort on the land here. 516 00:26:50,865 --> 00:26:52,598 It was called Fort Bull back then, 517 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,737 in March 27, 1756, the French and Canadian Indians 518 00:26:58,739 --> 00:27:01,974 came down here during the French-Indian wars, 519 00:27:01,976 --> 00:27:03,909 and they attacked the fort. 520 00:27:03,911 --> 00:27:06,511 It was known as the Fort Bull Massacre. 521 00:27:06,513 --> 00:27:07,846 Now, the guy I spoke to said 522 00:27:07,848 --> 00:27:09,681 it was probably the bloodiest battle 523 00:27:09,683 --> 00:27:11,817 that was fought during the French-Indian war 524 00:27:11,819 --> 00:27:13,952 near your property. 525 00:27:13,954 --> 00:27:16,688 Now, the native American you spoke to 526 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:18,223 said it wasn't safe for the living here. 527 00:27:18,225 --> 00:27:19,491 No. 528 00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:22,360 Doing the research on your property, I went back. 529 00:27:22,362 --> 00:27:23,795 The first white settlers on your land 530 00:27:23,797 --> 00:27:25,130 was the Joslin family. 531 00:27:25,132 --> 00:27:27,566 They settled in the 1840s. 532 00:27:27,568 --> 00:27:29,634 Hosea and Louisa. They had ten kids. 533 00:27:29,636 --> 00:27:32,370 Six of them died. 534 00:27:33,806 --> 00:27:38,443 1874, the Koblers moved into your property. 535 00:27:38,445 --> 00:27:41,046 Most of the tragedy surrounds a guy named Henry J. 536 00:27:41,048 --> 00:27:45,083 I actually got a photo of him. 537 00:27:45,085 --> 00:27:49,621 He moved onto your property, he was about... he was a kid. 538 00:27:49,623 --> 00:27:53,925 Three years after he gets there, his father drops dead, 539 00:27:53,927 --> 00:27:55,960 - 34 years old. - Oh. 540 00:27:55,962 --> 00:27:58,463 In the will, he's willed off to be an indentured slave 541 00:27:58,465 --> 00:27:59,731 for some other farm family. 542 00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:02,467 - What? - Took the mother five years to get him back. 543 00:28:02,469 --> 00:28:07,172 Now, a few years later, 1901, on your property, 544 00:28:07,174 --> 00:28:09,007 his grandmother, who is deaf, 545 00:28:09,009 --> 00:28:13,278 gets gored to death by a bull on the property. 546 00:28:14,446 --> 00:28:16,147 Next thing you know, he gets married, 547 00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:17,415 lives on your property. 548 00:28:17,417 --> 00:28:20,518 His 16-year-old daughter is coming home on a bicycle. 549 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,021 - She gets hit by a car and killed. - Oh. 550 00:28:23,023 --> 00:28:24,655 I got a picture of her. 551 00:28:24,657 --> 00:28:28,059 Wow. 552 00:28:28,061 --> 00:28:30,528 Three years after that happens, 553 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,931 his wife goes in for a simple stomach procedure. 554 00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:34,932 She dies. 555 00:28:36,535 --> 00:28:38,502 So, it's like there's nothing but death 556 00:28:38,504 --> 00:28:39,804 surrounding this property. 557 00:28:42,906 --> 00:28:45,109 Are you surprised to hear about all this tragedy? 558 00:28:45,111 --> 00:28:46,577 No, not really. 559 00:28:46,579 --> 00:28:50,114 The location, it's not healthy for the living. 560 00:28:52,184 --> 00:28:54,919 When I went into the kitchen, 561 00:28:54,921 --> 00:28:58,422 I encountered an older woman, 562 00:28:58,424 --> 00:29:00,391 and from her specifically, 563 00:29:00,393 --> 00:29:02,393 I got that there was a relationship 564 00:29:02,395 --> 00:29:05,262 with someone living in the house now. 565 00:29:05,264 --> 00:29:09,200 She prefers the kitchen area, 566 00:29:09,202 --> 00:29:11,635 and then a bit later, when I went upstairs, 567 00:29:11,637 --> 00:29:13,137 I encountered an older man. 568 00:29:13,139 --> 00:29:17,541 And both of them seem to have strong ties to the house. 569 00:29:17,543 --> 00:29:20,177 And he was watching two children playing. 570 00:29:20,179 --> 00:29:22,012 He looked Italian. 571 00:29:22,014 --> 00:29:24,615 He was wearing suspenders. 572 00:29:24,617 --> 00:29:29,019 He definitely did a lot of work outside. 573 00:29:29,021 --> 00:29:31,622 And when I was around him, I couldn't breathe. 574 00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:35,659 Like, I felt that he was a very heavy smoker, 575 00:29:35,661 --> 00:29:41,632 and he either died of a heart attack or emphysema. 576 00:29:41,634 --> 00:29:44,868 And I think that he died in the '90s or early 2000s. 577 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:48,438 I would say that those would be my grandparents, for sure. 578 00:29:49,874 --> 00:29:53,477 Both of them were smokers. Grandma was a light smoker. 579 00:29:53,479 --> 00:29:55,379 Grandpa was a heavy smoker. 580 00:29:55,381 --> 00:29:58,048 Worked construction his whole entire life. 581 00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:02,019 Grandma's favorite spot was the kitchen, 582 00:30:02,021 --> 00:30:04,121 and I remember, as a little kid, 583 00:30:04,123 --> 00:30:06,023 Grandpa used to spend a lot of time 584 00:30:06,025 --> 00:30:07,324 at the top of the stairs. 585 00:30:07,326 --> 00:30:10,594 So, for you to say that, it hits home, big time. 586 00:30:10,596 --> 00:30:14,097 So, my grandmother passed on of... 587 00:30:14,099 --> 00:30:16,466 it started with emphysema, 588 00:30:16,468 --> 00:30:19,135 and the emphysema led to bone cancer. 589 00:30:19,137 --> 00:30:21,371 - Oh. - And that's what she passed on from 590 00:30:21,373 --> 00:30:22,872 - was bone cancer. - Oh, wow. 591 00:30:22,874 --> 00:30:24,741 And she did pass away in the house. 592 00:30:24,743 --> 00:30:26,776 Yes, both of them passed away in the house. 593 00:30:26,778 --> 00:30:28,812 My grandfather passed away in the kitchen, 594 00:30:28,814 --> 00:30:31,448 and my grandmother passed away in what is now our bedroom. 595 00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:34,651 Would it be okay if I showed Amy their pictures? 596 00:30:34,653 --> 00:30:36,119 - Sure, sure. - You sure? 597 00:30:36,121 --> 00:30:37,554 Yeah. It's be all right? 598 00:30:37,556 --> 00:30:40,256 I'm all right with you sharing. 599 00:30:40,258 --> 00:30:41,925 This is his Grandma. 600 00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:45,094 Mm. Okay. 601 00:30:45,096 --> 00:30:49,632 And this is his grandpa, and that's him as a baby. 602 00:30:49,634 --> 00:30:50,700 Oh, okay. 603 00:30:50,702 --> 00:30:54,070 I did do a sketch of the guy I met, 604 00:30:54,072 --> 00:30:59,409 but just sitting up on the bed. 605 00:31:01,745 --> 00:31:03,646 Oh, geez. 606 00:31:05,449 --> 00:31:07,950 That's your grandfather, trust me. 607 00:31:09,853 --> 00:31:12,889 Oh, my gosh. 608 00:31:21,331 --> 00:31:24,000 I miss him. 609 00:31:24,002 --> 00:31:27,537 He watches the kids. 610 00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:30,039 I'm just glad to know 611 00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:33,376 that he, too, watches over the little ones 612 00:31:33,378 --> 00:31:36,379 'cause that's how he was with me when I was a little guy. 613 00:31:39,082 --> 00:31:42,151 And this is why it's so important, really, 614 00:31:42,153 --> 00:31:44,220 for Joe to make this house work for him. 615 00:31:44,222 --> 00:31:46,922 He just... he feels like it's a tribute, really, 616 00:31:46,924 --> 00:31:48,124 to your grandparents. 617 00:31:48,126 --> 00:31:50,426 Yeah, and I just feel that I have to pay 618 00:31:50,428 --> 00:31:51,861 a debt of gratitude to them. 619 00:31:51,863 --> 00:31:54,997 Okay, I have a few questions. 620 00:31:54,999 --> 00:31:58,167 How old are your children, and what are their names? 621 00:31:58,169 --> 00:32:00,402 Madison, she's 10. 622 00:32:00,404 --> 00:32:04,039 Brooke Lynn is 8, and Joey is 6. 623 00:32:04,041 --> 00:32:05,074 Okay. 624 00:32:05,076 --> 00:32:11,347 Um, so... My walk was very active. 625 00:32:11,349 --> 00:32:19,188 So, I'm upstairs, and I went into the room on the left. 626 00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:21,990 So, I go in there, and I see a little boy, 627 00:32:21,992 --> 00:32:25,227 and he's crying because there's something 628 00:32:25,229 --> 00:32:27,896 in the room, and it was touching him. 629 00:32:27,898 --> 00:32:31,066 This was obviously very disturbing, 630 00:32:31,068 --> 00:32:32,868 and I don't feel that this 631 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:36,772 is a very good place for children. 632 00:32:36,774 --> 00:32:39,608 So, I went into the other room, 633 00:32:39,610 --> 00:32:43,211 and what I saw there was, like, a line of people out the door. 634 00:32:43,213 --> 00:32:45,614 So, initially, there's this one woman. 635 00:32:45,616 --> 00:32:47,949 She's kneeling at the side of the bed 636 00:32:47,951 --> 00:32:50,185 trying to talk to this little girl, 637 00:32:50,187 --> 00:32:53,021 and she's begging her for help. 638 00:32:53,023 --> 00:32:55,390 And then there's a line of dead people 639 00:32:55,392 --> 00:32:57,826 out the door and going down the stairs, 640 00:32:57,828 --> 00:33:01,463 and all of them want help to be moved on. 641 00:33:01,465 --> 00:33:03,698 And the young girl is living? 642 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:04,733 Yes. 643 00:33:04,735 --> 00:33:06,635 Whether this child knows it or not, 644 00:33:06,637 --> 00:33:07,669 she's a medium. 645 00:33:07,671 --> 00:33:11,373 And is actually helping people in her sleep 646 00:33:11,375 --> 00:33:13,441 to, you know, move on. 647 00:33:13,443 --> 00:33:15,977 I [Bleep] Knew it. 648 00:33:15,979 --> 00:33:17,645 That's why this is so hard on Sue. 649 00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:21,383 She actually thinks Brooke Lynn's sensitive. 650 00:33:21,385 --> 00:33:25,186 I know that this is crazy, 651 00:33:25,188 --> 00:33:28,556 but Brooke Lynn wrote this book a couple years ago 652 00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:32,026 out of nowhere that was called "Blood drops Everywhere." 653 00:33:32,028 --> 00:33:34,629 And it kind of scared us. 654 00:33:34,631 --> 00:33:37,599 - It was pretty graphic. - Yeah, okay. 655 00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:40,768 She was probably in kindergarten, first grade. 656 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,838 I mean, talking about somebody being stabbed with a knife. 657 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,510 Honestly, it's not unusual for children who are mediums 658 00:33:49,512 --> 00:33:54,649 to act these things out via dolls or writing stories 659 00:33:54,651 --> 00:33:58,619 that, you know, would be more appropriate for an adult. 660 00:33:58,621 --> 00:34:01,322 Apparently, she probably knows more than I do. 661 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,828 You had a lot of stuff on this walk. 662 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:08,062 What else did you see? 663 00:34:08,064 --> 00:34:09,297 This is, you know, 664 00:34:09,299 --> 00:34:12,066 one of the things that really bothered me. 665 00:34:12,068 --> 00:34:15,002 I saw this thing by the house, 666 00:34:15,004 --> 00:34:18,406 and it was, like, trying to get into the house. 667 00:34:18,408 --> 00:34:19,607 It was odd. 668 00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:21,042 It was very, very tall. 669 00:34:21,044 --> 00:34:23,310 It was kind of hunched by its neck, 670 00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:25,312 but it had a weird, long neck. 671 00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:27,515 It had, like, a human-shaped head. 672 00:34:27,517 --> 00:34:31,185 It just really bothered me. 673 00:34:31,187 --> 00:34:33,220 It did not look human. 674 00:34:33,222 --> 00:34:36,724 I feel, like, this draw to the window, 675 00:34:36,726 --> 00:34:40,761 and them being outside and, like, looking in, 676 00:34:40,763 --> 00:34:42,296 making weird noises and scratches. 677 00:34:42,298 --> 00:34:46,066 And I could see it had, like, sharp teeth. 678 00:34:46,068 --> 00:34:47,835 Can they make noises that they'll hear... 679 00:34:47,837 --> 00:34:50,504 like a knocking... by any chance? 680 00:34:50,506 --> 00:34:51,939 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. 681 00:34:51,941 --> 00:34:54,041 - How about banging? - Yeah. 682 00:34:54,043 --> 00:34:57,778 Which we've had numerous, numerous encounters with, 683 00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:59,413 knocking and banging. 684 00:34:59,415 --> 00:35:01,648 Ooh. 685 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:06,420 - I'm trying to figure out what the hell these things look like. - Well, I did do a sketch. 686 00:35:06,422 --> 00:35:07,955 I'm dying to see this. 687 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:18,065 Oh, get the [Bleep] out of here. 688 00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:20,590 ___ 689 00:35:40,468 --> 00:35:45,405 - I'm trying to figure out what the hell these things look like. - Well, I did do a sketch. 690 00:35:45,407 --> 00:35:46,940 I'm dying to see this. 691 00:35:54,315 --> 00:35:56,816 Oh, get the [Bleep] out of here. 692 00:35:56,841 --> 00:35:59,341 ___ 693 00:36:09,697 --> 00:36:12,899 I'm never gonna get any sleep in that house... never. 694 00:36:15,136 --> 00:36:19,973 She doesn't want to look at it, and I'll explain why. 695 00:36:19,975 --> 00:36:21,574 When was it, last week? 696 00:36:21,576 --> 00:36:23,109 Ugh. 697 00:36:23,611 --> 00:36:26,579 Broad daylight, and she says to me, 698 00:36:26,581 --> 00:36:28,614 "did you just see something walk across the lawn?" 699 00:36:28,616 --> 00:36:32,351 I seen its head up above the porch railing. 700 00:36:32,353 --> 00:36:34,620 A couple days later, she says to me, 701 00:36:34,622 --> 00:36:36,388 "it must have been pretty tall." 702 00:36:43,163 --> 00:36:44,263 You know what, babe, 703 00:36:44,265 --> 00:36:45,798 I'm gonna turn this around, all right? 704 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,566 This way, you don't have to look at it. 705 00:36:47,568 --> 00:36:49,435 [ Sighs ] 706 00:36:49,437 --> 00:36:52,104 Let me ask you, what the [Bleep] are these things? 707 00:36:52,106 --> 00:36:54,039 I don't think I've ever seen you 708 00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:56,108 sketch something like that before. 709 00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:58,177 - Were they ever human? - No. Mnh-mnh. 710 00:36:58,179 --> 00:37:01,380 I think that these things harmed children in the past. 711 00:37:01,382 --> 00:37:03,382 - Geez. - Like, way back when. 712 00:37:03,384 --> 00:37:05,117 They're very old, 713 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,353 and they're definitely focused on your son. 714 00:37:08,355 --> 00:37:11,190 I think it's what was touching him. 715 00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:15,060 Sue's been physically touched twice. 716 00:37:15,062 --> 00:37:18,096 Describe that to Amy, what it was like. 717 00:37:18,098 --> 00:37:20,766 Sue: It was just a rub. 718 00:37:20,768 --> 00:37:22,167 You know, like this. 719 00:37:22,169 --> 00:37:23,302 Flesh on flesh. 720 00:37:23,304 --> 00:37:24,536 The other one, 721 00:37:24,538 --> 00:37:26,438 it's a little difficult for her to talk about, 722 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,340 but they were together on the couch, 723 00:37:28,342 --> 00:37:30,242 and she was inappropriately touched. 724 00:37:30,244 --> 00:37:32,944 - Okay. - There was nobody else there. 725 00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:35,680 It automatically triggered just pure anger. 726 00:37:41,687 --> 00:37:44,222 Joe and Sue, I know you've heard a lot tonight, 727 00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:48,126 and it wasn't easy to hear. 728 00:37:48,128 --> 00:37:50,462 But at least now you know what's going on in your home. 729 00:37:50,464 --> 00:37:52,530 Big question is, though, can you continue 730 00:37:52,532 --> 00:37:55,033 the legacy of your grandparents, Joe, 731 00:37:55,035 --> 00:37:59,371 and stay here safely with your wife and children? 732 00:37:59,373 --> 00:38:01,206 For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 733 00:38:07,713 --> 00:38:10,248 There's a lot going on here. 734 00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:12,684 Especially because of Brooke Lynn. 735 00:38:12,686 --> 00:38:13,818 She's a medium. 736 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:16,788 So what you're gonna have there is, like, 737 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:19,457 a lighthouse, almost, in your case, 738 00:38:19,459 --> 00:38:22,527 where the dead are coming to seek help 739 00:38:22,529 --> 00:38:24,562 from the living sensitives in the house. 740 00:38:26,065 --> 00:38:28,833 Some of the dead on your property don't want to leave, 741 00:38:28,835 --> 00:38:31,469 that's why she's gonna need to learn about her abilities 742 00:38:31,471 --> 00:38:33,671 and to feel comfortable with them. 743 00:38:33,673 --> 00:38:36,741 I would suggest opening a line of communication 744 00:38:36,743 --> 00:38:39,977 with all the kids about any experiences that they have. 745 00:38:39,979 --> 00:38:42,280 My suggestion is, 746 00:38:42,282 --> 00:38:44,148 let them all keep dream journals, 747 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:45,249 as well as you guys. 748 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,722 I didn't even mention this to nobody. 749 00:38:51,724 --> 00:38:55,560 Brooke Lynn just said that a couple weeks ago. 750 00:38:55,562 --> 00:38:57,428 She wanted all of us to get journals 751 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,997 and write our dreams down. 752 00:38:59,999 --> 00:39:02,400 Honest to God. 753 00:39:02,402 --> 00:39:04,301 [ Sniffs ] 754 00:39:06,672 --> 00:39:10,741 It's so weird. 755 00:39:10,743 --> 00:39:12,576 She wants to talk about it. 756 00:39:12,578 --> 00:39:14,445 Sounds like she's ahead of the game. 757 00:39:14,447 --> 00:39:16,046 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 758 00:39:16,048 --> 00:39:19,517 All right, the next thing is the need to protect. 759 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,019 Since native Americans are guarding your land, 760 00:39:22,021 --> 00:39:24,021 I suggest you contact a local shaman 761 00:39:24,023 --> 00:39:25,289 who can help you remove 762 00:39:25,291 --> 00:39:27,725 the dead that have been attracted to your property. 763 00:39:27,727 --> 00:39:31,161 In the meantime... this is black salt. 764 00:39:31,163 --> 00:39:33,163 Take just a little bit of this 765 00:39:33,165 --> 00:39:36,900 and put it at the entrance of each bedroom door. 766 00:39:36,902 --> 00:39:39,937 This will create a protective barrier. 767 00:39:39,939 --> 00:39:41,872 The next thing I would like you to do 768 00:39:41,874 --> 00:39:47,911 is to build a stone fence following that property line. 769 00:39:47,913 --> 00:39:50,347 So, this stone wall you're talking about, 770 00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:52,149 - is this keep the bad out? - Yeah. 771 00:39:52,151 --> 00:39:54,384 Is it gonna keep that thing you drew out? 772 00:39:54,386 --> 00:39:56,253 No, I don't think so. 773 00:39:56,255 --> 00:40:00,424 So, no matter what, they're gonna be there? 774 00:40:00,426 --> 00:40:01,558 Yeah. 775 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,360 Yeah. 776 00:40:03,362 --> 00:40:06,463 Well... ugh. 777 00:40:06,465 --> 00:40:08,932 You have a potential situation 778 00:40:08,934 --> 00:40:12,669 that I personally have never encountered before. 779 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:17,174 When I was doing the sketch of the thing that I saw, 780 00:40:17,176 --> 00:40:20,510 I started to get really upset by it, 781 00:40:20,512 --> 00:40:24,080 and the reason why was because 782 00:40:24,082 --> 00:40:27,684 I was being told that, in fact, 783 00:40:27,686 --> 00:40:30,954 it was some type of alien creature. 784 00:40:30,956 --> 00:40:33,089 [Bleep] 785 00:40:33,091 --> 00:40:34,391 I know, it's a lot. 786 00:40:34,393 --> 00:40:37,060 And they're trying, through subtle ways, 787 00:40:37,062 --> 00:40:42,098 to have the living people get out of the area. 788 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:46,903 Amy: I've never encountered anything like this in my entire career. 789 00:40:46,905 --> 00:40:49,973 I'm not exactly sure what these things are 790 00:40:49,975 --> 00:40:52,909 or where they're from, but it's possible 791 00:40:52,911 --> 00:40:56,346 they're from another world or another dimension. 792 00:40:56,348 --> 00:40:58,715 I can introduce you to some experts, 793 00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:02,318 and it's very possible that they'll have suggestions 794 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,223 as far as how to keep those suckers away. 795 00:41:07,225 --> 00:41:10,526 Steve: What about his grandparents? 796 00:41:10,528 --> 00:41:12,762 They're good. They're gonna hang out. 797 00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:13,596 Mm. 798 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,164 What are you thinking about? 799 00:41:15,166 --> 00:41:18,034 It's just craziness. 800 00:41:18,036 --> 00:41:19,902 It's a lot of stuff, huh? 801 00:41:19,904 --> 00:41:22,305 Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. 802 00:41:25,509 --> 00:41:26,576 So, Joe, I got to ask. 803 00:41:26,578 --> 00:41:29,112 Are you gonna take Amy's advice and do what she says? 804 00:41:29,114 --> 00:41:30,280 Absolutely. 805 00:41:30,282 --> 00:41:32,582 I mean, you know, all I'm looking for as a dad 806 00:41:32,584 --> 00:41:37,754 is just, you know, keep my wife and kids safe. 807 00:41:37,756 --> 00:41:39,706 I want to take her advice. 808 00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:41,975 I want to do what we can do 809 00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:44,944 to eliminate all of this chaos... 810 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:52,619 And hope that those creatures will go. 811 00:41:53,121 --> 00:41:56,756 Amy: I wish I had better news for Joe and Sue. 812 00:41:56,758 --> 00:42:00,126 I know if they build a barrier and work with Brooke Lynn, 813 00:42:00,128 --> 00:42:01,761 their lives should improve. 814 00:42:01,763 --> 00:42:04,730 But whether they can continue to co-exist 815 00:42:04,732 --> 00:42:06,265 with those creatures, 816 00:42:06,267 --> 00:42:08,801 unfortunately, remains to be seen. 817 00:42:09,326 --> 00:42:12,926 Sync & corrections by Alice www.addic7ed.com 818 00:42:12,976 --> 00:42:17,526 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 61516

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