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Somebody here is watching them.
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They just look creepy.
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I've been physically touch.
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Things like touching.
Ooh.
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They're cutting apart people
with swords.
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I just want a safe spot
for my family.
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Sue: I don't want my kids
experiencing
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anything that I have.
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They have their sights set
on the children here.
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It's really bad in here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Something is not right.
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I see dead people.
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This person might have been
a serial killer.
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I speak to dead people.
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You get those chills.
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And they speak to me.
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He is darkness.
He is evil.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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I think she broke her neck.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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You telling me the truth?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think the devil is down here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who the hell would do this?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Who's he looking to kill?
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We uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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You need to get out of here
right now.
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Or time to get out.
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It was like endless darkness.
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The Dead Files 5x12
Innocent Blood - Rome, NY
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Sync & corrections by Alice
www.addic7ed.com
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Steve: Amy and I work each case
independently of one another.
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I interview living witnesses
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and uncover secrets
about the property's past
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while Amy communicates
with the dead.
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I'm in Rome, New York.
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It's about an hour
east of Syracuse.
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Amy and I got called in
by a young married couple,
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Sue and Joe.
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They didn't sound very good
on the phone.
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The activity's so bad
and so physical,
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Sue had moved out
with the three kids.
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But now she's back.
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She says if we can't help her
find a way
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to make the activity stop,
it may end her marriage.
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I'm really hoping
Amy and I can help them out.
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Matthew:
Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area
of any leading information.
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Family photos
and other personal items
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need to be covered or removed.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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Amy:
So in my opening,
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I saw all of these thick trees,
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and there were all these
native American warriors
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standing there
with their bow and arrow drawn.
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They're waiting
for something to happen.
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They were put there
by this leader guy.
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He says it is some kind of,
like, spirit warfare.
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He says that there were problems
before the white man,
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that they had a lot of battles,
many battles,
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with these spirits.
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Steve: Sue, you sounded
clearly upset on the phone.
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Give me an idea
of what you're going through.
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We hear banging, knocking,
footsteps.
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I've seen apparitions.
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I've been physically touched.
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I've tried to rationalize
with myself
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a million times over again.
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I have tried to make up
every excuse in the book
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other than it being paranormal.
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Now, do you
believe in this stuff?
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What really made me
believe in it
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was when
my 8-year-old daughter,
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you know, she heard people
talking, whispering.
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- Is this your kids here?
- Yes.
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Now, who's who?
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This is Madison.
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Okay.
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That's Brooke Lynn and Joey.
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You had actually left with
the kids at one point, right?
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Yes.
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I moved out for 11 months.
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[ Sniffs ]
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I just couldn't take it
anymore.
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They do not like to be alone.
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- So did you take them out
to protect them? - Yes.
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I don't want my kids
to grow up experiencing
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anything that I have.
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What made you come back home?
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I wanted my family back.
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I don't want them
to be from a broken home.
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But you came back to hell.
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Yeah.
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The same as it was
before I left.
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Have you guys ever thought
about just moving?
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That would be last resort
only because
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my husband inherited it
from his grandparents,
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so he's got
an emotional attachment.
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This native American guy
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says that there is some kind
of a family of beasts,
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and they think
that they're ghosts.
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These things are occasionally
trying to enter the house.
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They're very dark,
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and they look kind of like
human beings,
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but they're definitely not.
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Were they living?
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I don't know yet.
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They just look creepy.
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Steve: Okay, so why'd you
bring me in the kitchen?
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Well, we hear knocking
at the door.
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Okay.
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Get up, answer it,
nobody there.
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Okay.
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So, is anything else going on?
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Banging.
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It's a... bang! Bang!
Bang! Bang! Bang!
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Where does it sound like
it's coming from?
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The far right corner
of the living room.
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If something's wrong
with the pressure in the pipes,
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that would bang.
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All of our pipes
are in the basement.
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And does it happen
at any given time?
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Mainly at night.
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Well, that's got to scare
the hell out of you.
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Startles you.
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I mean, you'll jump out of
your skin when you hear it.
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These things are pretty tall.
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How tall?
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Well, see where
that dent thing is?
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About that tall.
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Their head kind of jets forward
on a long neck,
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and they're hunched,
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and you can really see
their shoulder blades.
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And also, they have, like,
a spine thing that sticks out.
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And then really long arms
with the long fingers.
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It's like a weird dragging sound
against the house.
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Do you have any idea how
the living might perceive them?
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Making noises
on the outside of the house,
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looking in through windows,
growling.
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Do you know what they want?
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They definitely have their
sights set on the children here.
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Maybe these are what
the native American warriors
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- are fending off?
- Hm.
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Maybe they are trying
to protect kids?
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Sue: I hear footsteps
walking in here at night.
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So it sounds like
it's in the room with you?
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
You have the TV in here now.
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- Do you keep the TV on?
- No.
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And there's no sounds
coming from upstairs,
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- like the kids walking around, or...
- No.
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Is anything else going on?
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Aside from being touched
a few times, no.
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What do you mean "touched"?
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Well, there was an incident
in the shower one time
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where I felt like
somebody had rubbed
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the outer part of my right arm.
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And there was another time...
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in the living room,
on the couch.
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Okay, what happened?
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I felt this... grope.
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So I'm assuming
it was forceful.
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Okay.
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Being touched,
it's a violation.
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Not only for me,
but for my husband.
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I will do whatever I have to do
to make sure that my kids
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do not experience
what I have experienced.
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They definitely messed
with the boy who lives here.
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In this one,
I just hear crying.
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Crying and things like touching.
Ooh.
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This is not good.
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Oh [Bleep]
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Like, trying to hide,
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and those weird [Bleep]
finger [Bleep] or whatever.
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He was crying
'cause he was scared.
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So, you mentioned you
were worried about the kids.
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What's going on with them?
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Well, Joey...
he's more of just...
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Scared to go upstairs alone.
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Brooke Lynn
also is the same way,
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but she seems to be
a little bit more sensitive.
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She's hearing voices.
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I wonder if she's being affected
more than I know.
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I don't want them to grow up
and be scared.
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You know, my worst fear
is that they might get worse.
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[ Voice breaking ]
This is home to them,
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and they shouldn't be afraid.
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Well, for some
[Bleep] up reason,
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dead people come here.
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I see this dead woman.
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She's kneeling on the floor
right here.
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She's only one of many...
many of them.
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I think the creatures here
have never been human,
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but now I'm seeing dead people
lined up,
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and they're seeking help
from a living person.
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This person here might have...
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ohh... an idea
that they are a medium.
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Dead people
coming to get moved on.
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This is not good for them.
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No, this kid's got to go.
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Steve:
Joe, your wife, Sue,
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said that you actually grew up
in this house as a kid.
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My grandparents used to live
in this house when I was a kid.
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- I grew up across the street.
- Okay.
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So, I was always over here.
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Did you have experiences
as a kid here?
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You know,
a couple different times,
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but I kind of blew it off as,
you know, it's no big deal.
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So your grandparents, I assume,
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- the way you're talking now,
they both passed away? - Yeah.
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My grandmother passed in 1997.
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She had developed emphysema,
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and then the emphysema
led to bone cancer.
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She passed away in the house,
under hospice care.
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Okay.
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What kind of woman was she?
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She treated me like, you know,
her little prince,
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to be honest with you,
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and that's how she always
made me feel.
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She made me feel loved.
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Very kindhearted lady.
Loved to cook.
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I mean, I miss her cooking.
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You know,
she was my role model.
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When Grandma passed on,
it was very hard for me.
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I'm getting this older woman.
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She was always cooking
and cleaning in here.
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She was little.
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Tiny, little lady.
Very frail.
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And she's putzing around,
putzing around.
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She's, I don't know, related
to somebody here or something?
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Living?
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Yes.
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Now, Joe, when did
your grandfather die?
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He died September 10, 2001,
the day before 9/11.
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Wow.
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I'm not sure how he passed on.
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There was never
an autopsy done.
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I think that he had
a massive heart attack.
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He was a hard-core smoker,
three packs a day.
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He actually passed away
right here in the kitchen,
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and he was, you know,
dead on the floor.
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Okay.
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Do you know how old
grandpa was when he died?
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75.
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Okay, so what kind of a guy
was your grandfather?
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He was a Sicilian-American
immigrant.
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He was very tough, hard-nosed,
old-school Italian.
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Somebody that I looked up to.
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I actually have a picture here
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of him and I
from when I was a little guy.
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Joe, you obviously
knew your grandparents
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- better than anybody.
- Right.
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Would they want you
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to stay here and fight
whatever the hell is going on?
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They wouldn't want me
to give up.
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Right.
264
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They would want me to fight
for what is mine.
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And they instilled in me,
you know, you never give up.
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[ Sighs ]
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I see, like,
some kids running by.
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A little girl
and, I think, a little boy.
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They're probably
between, like, 5 and 8?
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Somebody here is watching them.
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I think that this is a male.
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He's pretty dang old.
He's probably like 70 maybe.
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Yeah, I think he's Italian.
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A heavy, heavy smoker.
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He's not a bad guy.
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Do you know when he's from?
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Maybe he died
in, like, the '90s?
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1990s? Early 2000?
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Do you know how he died?
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I think he had a heart attack.
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Maybe it was emphysema,
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'cause I can't [Bleep] breathe
for [Bleep] from him.
283
00:14:31,382 --> 00:14:34,952
So, Joe, what made you
bring me out here?
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I was inside, and I noticed,
285
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off to the right-hand side,
over here,
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there was two mirrors,
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and I noticed
that both of 'em cracked
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and was just stunned.
289
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Kind of really frightened me,
to be honest with you.
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So, did anything hit it that
would have caused it to crack?
291
00:14:48,937 --> 00:14:51,905
There was nothing that
could have been thrown at it,
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nothing that hit it.
293
00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:55,944
It wasn't broke
when I looked at it
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three minutes
prior to this happening.
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Okay.
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Let me ask you a question, Joe.
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What are you trying to get
out of our investigation?
298
00:15:02,284 --> 00:15:03,817
What's the best thing
we could do for you?
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I don't want the kids
to be affected.
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00:15:06,155 --> 00:15:08,924
I don't want to have to keep
things from them.
301
00:15:08,926 --> 00:15:11,828
You know, as a dad
and as a father,
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00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:14,527
I just want to be there
to protect them.
303
00:15:14,529 --> 00:15:16,262
I just want things to stop.
304
00:15:16,264 --> 00:15:18,298
It's been tough
on your marriage.
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00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:21,870
Yeah, it's been tough.
It's weighed pretty hard.
306
00:15:21,872 --> 00:15:24,307
You know, it's tough
to talk about those things
307
00:15:24,309 --> 00:15:27,176
because she means
everything to me,
308
00:15:27,178 --> 00:15:30,379
and without her,
I would have no family.
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00:15:30,381 --> 00:15:32,548
Since she has come back,
you know,
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she's been touched and whatnot,
311
00:15:34,551 --> 00:15:37,051
and I just want a safe spot
for my family.
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That's all that I want, really.
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Steve: I combed through
my client's property records,
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and as it turns out,
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a family lived on the land
for 50 years.
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00:16:00,073 --> 00:16:02,842
Most of the time,
this doesn't amount to much,
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00:16:02,844 --> 00:16:04,511
but I spoke
to a local genealogist
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00:16:04,513 --> 00:16:06,613
who told me the family
that lived on the land
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suffered enough tragedy
to last ten lifetimes.
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00:16:11,254 --> 00:16:13,222
[ Thunder rumbles ]
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00:16:18,831 --> 00:16:20,299
Steve:
Kobler family...
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00:16:20,301 --> 00:16:23,636
they lived on my client's
property for almost 50 years.
323
00:16:23,638 --> 00:16:25,739
From about 1874 to 1919.
324
00:16:25,741 --> 00:16:27,508
Now, when we spoke
on the phone,
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00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:29,478
you said that there
were some terrible times
326
00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,747
- on the property when they were there.
- There was.
327
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:34,685
It all seems to center around
this guy, Henry J. Kobler.
328
00:16:37,523 --> 00:16:41,661
It started at the age of 9
when his dad died.
329
00:16:41,663 --> 00:16:43,997
His father
was about 34 years old
330
00:16:43,999 --> 00:16:47,502
and passed away
of unknown reasons.
331
00:16:47,504 --> 00:16:48,837
34 is young.
332
00:16:48,839 --> 00:16:50,706
- It is very young.
- Okay.
333
00:16:50,708 --> 00:16:53,210
And as part
of his father's will,
334
00:16:53,212 --> 00:16:55,846
Henry was actually to be given
to another family
335
00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:59,285
as a valuable farmhand
as a way for the family to live.
336
00:16:59,287 --> 00:17:01,487
I've never heard of that
before.
337
00:17:01,489 --> 00:17:05,226
And this lasted for five years
338
00:17:05,228 --> 00:17:07,162
when he was finally returned
to his mother.
339
00:17:07,164 --> 00:17:08,530
Okay.
340
00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:09,732
But it continues.
341
00:17:09,734 --> 00:17:11,768
In 1901, his grandmother,
342
00:17:11,770 --> 00:17:13,303
who was about 83 years old...
343
00:17:13,305 --> 00:17:15,406
keep in mind, she was deaf...
344
00:17:15,408 --> 00:17:18,744
was picking berries one day
on the property
345
00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:23,484
and was attacked by a bull
and killed.
346
00:17:23,486 --> 00:17:24,852
She was mutilated.
347
00:17:24,854 --> 00:17:26,188
All right.
348
00:17:28,725 --> 00:17:33,664
There's this crazy lady
who does run around outside.
349
00:17:36,102 --> 00:17:40,340
She's just all over
the [Bleep] place.
350
00:17:40,342 --> 00:17:42,843
And she did die poorly.
351
00:17:42,845 --> 00:17:45,113
What do you mean?
352
00:17:45,115 --> 00:17:46,982
Her head, you know, got...
353
00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,319
it got chopped off...
354
00:17:49,321 --> 00:17:50,821
or ripped off, more.
355
00:17:50,823 --> 00:17:54,359
It's not a nice, clean cut.
356
00:17:57,464 --> 00:17:59,599
Oh, my gosh.
357
00:17:59,601 --> 00:18:01,335
It's messy, very messy.
358
00:18:05,074 --> 00:18:08,144
Steve: I'm almost afraid to ask.
What else happened to him?
359
00:18:08,146 --> 00:18:10,614
This is probably
the darkest part of his life.
360
00:18:10,616 --> 00:18:14,085
He had a daughter.
Her name was Ella.
361
00:18:15,422 --> 00:18:19,893
And in 1920,
she was 16 years old,
362
00:18:19,895 --> 00:18:22,664
and she was coming home
from a friend's house,
363
00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:25,434
and she was struck by a car.
364
00:18:25,436 --> 00:18:27,404
Wow.
365
00:18:27,406 --> 00:18:30,875
She was an only child.
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00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,677
Oh, geez.
367
00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:35,147
- This guy can't catch a break, can he?
- Correct.
368
00:18:35,149 --> 00:18:38,485
And actually, three years later,
his wife, Fannie,
369
00:18:38,487 --> 00:18:41,389
she passed away
of a botched surgery.
370
00:18:41,391 --> 00:18:42,591
You're kidding.
371
00:18:42,593 --> 00:18:46,563
She was having a routine
stomach procedure,
372
00:18:46,565 --> 00:18:50,067
and she just died mysteriously
and unexpectedly.
373
00:18:50,069 --> 00:18:51,636
Wow.
374
00:18:51,638 --> 00:18:54,407
He ended up passing away
at the age of 67.
375
00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:57,244
The tragedy in this guy's life
is overwhelming.
376
00:19:04,854 --> 00:19:08,191
This native American guy
is saying, like,
377
00:19:08,193 --> 00:19:10,094
how it's not safe here.
378
00:19:10,096 --> 00:19:12,964
There's no place
that's safe here.
379
00:19:12,966 --> 00:19:16,008
Everyone's at risk.
380
00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:20,813
He is saying that, um...
381
00:19:20,815 --> 00:19:26,819
that everyone knew
that nobody should be here.
382
00:19:26,821 --> 00:19:30,917
That people shouldn't live
in this area.
383
00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:34,753
That it's just for ghosts
to live.
384
00:19:34,755 --> 00:19:39,355
So, he just wants to help them
clear the area out.
385
00:19:39,357 --> 00:19:41,457
Of what?
386
00:19:45,127 --> 00:19:46,661
Living people.
387
00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:09,175
Steve: So far,
I've uncovered multiple deaths
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00:20:09,177 --> 00:20:11,610
that are directly tied
to my client's property.
389
00:20:12,612 --> 00:20:15,981
But I need to see
if there's anything else.
390
00:20:15,983 --> 00:20:18,818
Digging through old records,
I find the Joslin family
391
00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:21,253
originally owned
the land I'm investigating.
392
00:20:21,255 --> 00:20:25,791
Turns out, they suffered a lot
of loss in their time there.
393
00:20:29,928 --> 00:20:31,230
I'm on my way to meet
394
00:20:31,232 --> 00:20:33,666
with a local historian
who did some digging for me.
395
00:20:33,668 --> 00:20:35,834
She says she found
some information
396
00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:37,937
that will definitely help
my case.
397
00:20:45,411 --> 00:20:47,446
Now, Mary,
when I did my research,
398
00:20:47,448 --> 00:20:49,281
I came across
a couple of deaths
399
00:20:49,283 --> 00:20:50,749
associated
with the Joslin family,
400
00:20:50,751 --> 00:20:53,252
- but you said there was a lot more.
- There was a lot more, yes.
401
00:20:53,254 --> 00:20:55,587
- Okay, how many are we talking about?
- They had ten children,
402
00:20:55,589 --> 00:20:58,423
and four of those children died
as babies.
403
00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:01,126
And then they had
two young adults die
404
00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:02,427
from tuberculosis,
405
00:21:02,429 --> 00:21:05,130
which was very prevalent
in that era.
406
00:21:05,132 --> 00:21:08,533
Now, Mary, out of the remaining
kids that lived,
407
00:21:08,535 --> 00:21:10,702
did any of them
stay on the property?
408
00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:11,703
Yes, Foster did.
409
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,171
Okay, so what happened
with him?
410
00:21:13,173 --> 00:21:15,540
He lived to be
about 60 years old.
411
00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:17,075
He was a very busy man.
412
00:21:17,077 --> 00:21:19,111
He married at the age of 58,
413
00:21:19,113 --> 00:21:23,081
and they had one child,
who died as a baby.
414
00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:25,350
Shortly afterwards,
not even a year later,
415
00:21:25,352 --> 00:21:27,786
Foster dies on that property.
416
00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:35,060
I'm seeing
those weird creatures again.
417
00:21:35,062 --> 00:21:37,963
A lot of children
they would eat.
418
00:21:37,965 --> 00:21:40,398
I do see, like,
the kids are being bit.
419
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,968
[ Indistinct screaming ]
420
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,335
Open their chests.
421
00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,938
The leader
of the native Americans
422
00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:48,840
is showing me a horrifying scene
423
00:21:48,842 --> 00:21:51,843
where the tall creatures
by the side of the house
424
00:21:51,845 --> 00:21:53,478
are killing small children.
425
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,913
Kids?
426
00:21:54,915 --> 00:21:56,047
Kids.
427
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:02,287
It's pretty gross and sad.
428
00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,761
Steve:
In my research, I also found out
429
00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,629
that my client's property
was near
430
00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:14,465
the site of a bloody battle
during the French-Indian war.
431
00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:16,901
I'm heading over
to meet with a local historian
432
00:22:16,903 --> 00:22:18,236
at the actual battle site.
433
00:22:18,238 --> 00:22:20,371
He tells me
it was the most violent fight
434
00:22:20,373 --> 00:22:21,639
in the region's history.
435
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,384
Keith: This is where the actual
Battle of Fort Bull took place
436
00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:36,354
in March 27, 1756.
437
00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:38,689
What was the French-Indian war
all about?
438
00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:40,458
It was between
two superpowers...
439
00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:41,826
the British and the French.
440
00:22:41,828 --> 00:22:44,161
The British
were building forts here,
441
00:22:44,163 --> 00:22:48,232
and the French felt that it was
getting too close to their area,
442
00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:49,600
so they sent the men down here
443
00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,736
with the Indians from Canada,
444
00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,971
and they ended up
surrounding the fort.
445
00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:55,072
And who led these people?
446
00:22:55,074 --> 00:22:57,308
The Lieutenant Gaspard de Léry.
447
00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:58,309
Okay.
448
00:22:58,311 --> 00:23:00,611
And he had with him
the Indian...
449
00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:03,080
Colonel Louis Cook,
who was from Canada.
450
00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:05,883
Okay, so now what went down
with this fight?
451
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:07,952
- The British were inside this fort here.
- Okay.
452
00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:10,588
The French come up
to the holes in the fort
453
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:12,223
and were shooting in there,
454
00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:13,557
then they started chopping
at the door.
455
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,659
And finally,
they got through it,
456
00:23:15,661 --> 00:23:18,028
and they're cutting apart people
with swords,
457
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:19,663
and then they were
scalping them.
458
00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:21,098
Wow.
459
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,299
It was a bloodbath.
460
00:23:22,301 --> 00:23:26,403
The British ended up losing
approximately 60 men.
461
00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:29,373
So, what wound up happening
to the fort?
462
00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:31,575
The French burned it down
with he bodies right in it.
463
00:23:31,577 --> 00:23:33,110
Okay.
464
00:23:35,146 --> 00:23:39,817
Somebody says something
about the dead man down there.
465
00:23:39,819 --> 00:23:41,385
I guess they were settlers.
466
00:23:41,387 --> 00:23:43,287
For whatever reason,
467
00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:46,523
they seem to be stuck
down there.
468
00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:53,463
I do see one of them getting
their head bashed in.
469
00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:59,569
I think they got ambushed,
were brutally murdered.
470
00:23:59,571 --> 00:24:01,071
Yeah.
471
00:24:01,073 --> 00:24:03,240
Do you know who ambushed them?
472
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:05,342
I think
it was native Americans.
473
00:24:11,949 --> 00:24:16,253
I saw many entities
during my walk,
474
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:18,388
but two stood out the clearest.
475
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:21,224
First, the old man
watching over the kids.
476
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:26,296
He was probably 60, 65.
477
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:28,465
Heavyset.
478
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:32,002
Very long eyebrows, very thick.
479
00:24:32,004 --> 00:24:34,104
His nose is rather large.
480
00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,607
Next, I described
the tall, dangerous creatures
481
00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:39,476
by the side of the house.
482
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,478
It was hunched.
483
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,381
The shoulder blades
were kind of popping out.
484
00:24:45,383 --> 00:24:49,185
It didn't have any features.
485
00:24:54,657 --> 00:24:57,192
Yes, that's what I saw.
486
00:25:16,237 --> 00:25:19,706
Steve: Now that Amy and I have
finished our investigations,
487
00:25:19,708 --> 00:25:21,574
it's time to reveal our findings
488
00:25:21,576 --> 00:25:24,544
to our clients and each other
for the first time.
489
00:25:24,546 --> 00:25:26,679
Amy, I'd like you to meet
Joe and Sue.
490
00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:30,350
They're a great,
down-to-earth couple,
491
00:25:30,352 --> 00:25:32,485
but the activity in the house
is ripping them apart.
492
00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,454
It's got so bad last year,
493
00:25:34,456 --> 00:25:36,789
Sue actually left
with the three kids
494
00:25:36,791 --> 00:25:39,392
and moved out
and stayed away for a while.
495
00:25:39,394 --> 00:25:41,761
She's been back
around, what, five months?
496
00:25:41,763 --> 00:25:44,564
Actually, the activity's
gotten even worse now.
497
00:25:44,566 --> 00:25:46,499
They needed our help,
and they want to know
498
00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:49,135
if they can actually stay here
and be safe with their family.
499
00:25:49,137 --> 00:25:50,736
So now that Amy knows
a little bit
500
00:25:50,738 --> 00:25:52,405
about what's going on
with you guys,
501
00:25:52,407 --> 00:25:54,407
I'm gonna ask her to describe
her walk for us.
502
00:25:58,846 --> 00:26:05,117
When I first opened,
I saw native Americans,
503
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,521
and they had
their bows and arrows drawn,
504
00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:11,424
and they were
just in that stance.
505
00:26:11,426 --> 00:26:18,464
I got that they were alive
around 1740, 1750s.
506
00:26:18,466 --> 00:26:22,568
What they're doing is attempting
to protect the area.
507
00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:26,539
There was some type of...
508
00:26:26,541 --> 00:26:30,309
and still is... some kind of,
like, spiritual warfare
509
00:26:30,311 --> 00:26:31,744
going on for them.
510
00:26:31,746 --> 00:26:36,148
I met this older
native American man.
511
00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:38,284
What he said
was that this place
512
00:26:38,286 --> 00:26:42,421
was not meant
for the living to be in.
513
00:26:42,423 --> 00:26:44,690
It is meant for the dead.
514
00:26:44,692 --> 00:26:47,726
I'm not surprised you saw
native Americans
515
00:26:47,728 --> 00:26:50,863
because the British had set up
a fort on the land here.
516
00:26:50,865 --> 00:26:52,598
It was called Fort Bull
back then,
517
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,737
in March 27, 1756,
the French and Canadian Indians
518
00:26:58,739 --> 00:27:01,974
came down here
during the French-Indian wars,
519
00:27:01,976 --> 00:27:03,909
and they attacked the fort.
520
00:27:03,911 --> 00:27:06,511
It was known as
the Fort Bull Massacre.
521
00:27:06,513 --> 00:27:07,846
Now, the guy I spoke to said
522
00:27:07,848 --> 00:27:09,681
it was probably
the bloodiest battle
523
00:27:09,683 --> 00:27:11,817
that was fought
during the French-Indian war
524
00:27:11,819 --> 00:27:13,952
near your property.
525
00:27:13,954 --> 00:27:16,688
Now, the native American
you spoke to
526
00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:18,223
said it wasn't safe
for the living here.
527
00:27:18,225 --> 00:27:19,491
No.
528
00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:22,360
Doing the research
on your property, I went back.
529
00:27:22,362 --> 00:27:23,795
The first white settlers
on your land
530
00:27:23,797 --> 00:27:25,130
was the Joslin family.
531
00:27:25,132 --> 00:27:27,566
They settled in the 1840s.
532
00:27:27,568 --> 00:27:29,634
Hosea and Louisa.
They had ten kids.
533
00:27:29,636 --> 00:27:32,370
Six of them died.
534
00:27:33,806 --> 00:27:38,443
1874, the Koblers
moved into your property.
535
00:27:38,445 --> 00:27:41,046
Most of the tragedy
surrounds a guy named Henry J.
536
00:27:41,048 --> 00:27:45,083
I actually got a photo of him.
537
00:27:45,085 --> 00:27:49,621
He moved onto your property,
he was about... he was a kid.
538
00:27:49,623 --> 00:27:53,925
Three years after he gets there,
his father drops dead,
539
00:27:53,927 --> 00:27:55,960
- 34 years old.
- Oh.
540
00:27:55,962 --> 00:27:58,463
In the will, he's willed off
to be an indentured slave
541
00:27:58,465 --> 00:27:59,731
for some other farm family.
542
00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:02,467
- What?
- Took the mother five years to get him back.
543
00:28:02,469 --> 00:28:07,172
Now, a few years later, 1901,
on your property,
544
00:28:07,174 --> 00:28:09,007
his grandmother, who is deaf,
545
00:28:09,009 --> 00:28:13,278
gets gored to death by a bull
on the property.
546
00:28:14,446 --> 00:28:16,147
Next thing you know,
he gets married,
547
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:17,415
lives on your property.
548
00:28:17,417 --> 00:28:20,518
His 16-year-old daughter
is coming home on a bicycle.
549
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,021
- She gets hit by a car and killed.
- Oh.
550
00:28:23,023 --> 00:28:24,655
I got a picture of her.
551
00:28:24,657 --> 00:28:28,059
Wow.
552
00:28:28,061 --> 00:28:30,528
Three years after that happens,
553
00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,931
his wife goes in
for a simple stomach procedure.
554
00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:34,932
She dies.
555
00:28:36,535 --> 00:28:38,502
So, it's like
there's nothing but death
556
00:28:38,504 --> 00:28:39,804
surrounding this property.
557
00:28:42,906 --> 00:28:45,109
Are you surprised to hear
about all this tragedy?
558
00:28:45,111 --> 00:28:46,577
No, not really.
559
00:28:46,579 --> 00:28:50,114
The location,
it's not healthy for the living.
560
00:28:52,184 --> 00:28:54,919
When I went into the kitchen,
561
00:28:54,921 --> 00:28:58,422
I encountered an older woman,
562
00:28:58,424 --> 00:29:00,391
and from her specifically,
563
00:29:00,393 --> 00:29:02,393
I got that there was
a relationship
564
00:29:02,395 --> 00:29:05,262
with someone living
in the house now.
565
00:29:05,264 --> 00:29:09,200
She prefers the kitchen area,
566
00:29:09,202 --> 00:29:11,635
and then a bit later,
when I went upstairs,
567
00:29:11,637 --> 00:29:13,137
I encountered an older man.
568
00:29:13,139 --> 00:29:17,541
And both of them seem to have
strong ties to the house.
569
00:29:17,543 --> 00:29:20,177
And he was watching
two children playing.
570
00:29:20,179 --> 00:29:22,012
He looked Italian.
571
00:29:22,014 --> 00:29:24,615
He was wearing suspenders.
572
00:29:24,617 --> 00:29:29,019
He definitely did
a lot of work outside.
573
00:29:29,021 --> 00:29:31,622
And when I was around him,
I couldn't breathe.
574
00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:35,659
Like, I felt
that he was a very heavy smoker,
575
00:29:35,661 --> 00:29:41,632
and he either died
of a heart attack or emphysema.
576
00:29:41,634 --> 00:29:44,868
And I think that he died
in the '90s or early 2000s.
577
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:48,438
I would say that those would be
my grandparents, for sure.
578
00:29:49,874 --> 00:29:53,477
Both of them were smokers.
Grandma was a light smoker.
579
00:29:53,479 --> 00:29:55,379
Grandpa was a heavy smoker.
580
00:29:55,381 --> 00:29:58,048
Worked construction
his whole entire life.
581
00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:02,019
Grandma's favorite spot
was the kitchen,
582
00:30:02,021 --> 00:30:04,121
and I remember,
as a little kid,
583
00:30:04,123 --> 00:30:06,023
Grandpa used to spend
a lot of time
584
00:30:06,025 --> 00:30:07,324
at the top of the stairs.
585
00:30:07,326 --> 00:30:10,594
So, for you to say that,
it hits home, big time.
586
00:30:10,596 --> 00:30:14,097
So, my grandmother
passed on of...
587
00:30:14,099 --> 00:30:16,466
it started with emphysema,
588
00:30:16,468 --> 00:30:19,135
and the emphysema
led to bone cancer.
589
00:30:19,137 --> 00:30:21,371
- Oh. - And that's what
she passed on from
590
00:30:21,373 --> 00:30:22,872
- was bone cancer.
- Oh, wow.
591
00:30:22,874 --> 00:30:24,741
And she did pass away
in the house.
592
00:30:24,743 --> 00:30:26,776
Yes, both of them passed away
in the house.
593
00:30:26,778 --> 00:30:28,812
My grandfather passed away
in the kitchen,
594
00:30:28,814 --> 00:30:31,448
and my grandmother passed away
in what is now our bedroom.
595
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:34,651
Would it be okay
if I showed Amy their pictures?
596
00:30:34,653 --> 00:30:36,119
- Sure, sure.
- You sure?
597
00:30:36,121 --> 00:30:37,554
Yeah.
It's be all right?
598
00:30:37,556 --> 00:30:40,256
I'm all right with you sharing.
599
00:30:40,258 --> 00:30:41,925
This is his Grandma.
600
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:45,094
Mm. Okay.
601
00:30:45,096 --> 00:30:49,632
And this is his grandpa,
and that's him as a baby.
602
00:30:49,634 --> 00:30:50,700
Oh, okay.
603
00:30:50,702 --> 00:30:54,070
I did do a sketch
of the guy I met,
604
00:30:54,072 --> 00:30:59,409
but just sitting up on the bed.
605
00:31:01,745 --> 00:31:03,646
Oh, geez.
606
00:31:05,449 --> 00:31:07,950
That's your grandfather,
trust me.
607
00:31:09,853 --> 00:31:12,889
Oh, my gosh.
608
00:31:21,331 --> 00:31:24,000
I miss him.
609
00:31:24,002 --> 00:31:27,537
He watches the kids.
610
00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:30,039
I'm just glad to know
611
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:33,376
that he, too,
watches over the little ones
612
00:31:33,378 --> 00:31:36,379
'cause that's how he was with me
when I was a little guy.
613
00:31:39,082 --> 00:31:42,151
And this is why
it's so important, really,
614
00:31:42,153 --> 00:31:44,220
for Joe to make this house
work for him.
615
00:31:44,222 --> 00:31:46,922
He just... he feels like
it's a tribute, really,
616
00:31:46,924 --> 00:31:48,124
to your grandparents.
617
00:31:48,126 --> 00:31:50,426
Yeah, and I just feel
that I have to pay
618
00:31:50,428 --> 00:31:51,861
a debt of gratitude to them.
619
00:31:51,863 --> 00:31:54,997
Okay, I have a few questions.
620
00:31:54,999 --> 00:31:58,167
How old are your children,
and what are their names?
621
00:31:58,169 --> 00:32:00,402
Madison, she's 10.
622
00:32:00,404 --> 00:32:04,039
Brooke Lynn is 8,
and Joey is 6.
623
00:32:04,041 --> 00:32:05,074
Okay.
624
00:32:05,076 --> 00:32:11,347
Um, so...
My walk was very active.
625
00:32:11,349 --> 00:32:19,188
So, I'm upstairs, and I went
into the room on the left.
626
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:21,990
So, I go in there,
and I see a little boy,
627
00:32:21,992 --> 00:32:25,227
and he's crying
because there's something
628
00:32:25,229 --> 00:32:27,896
in the room,
and it was touching him.
629
00:32:27,898 --> 00:32:31,066
This was obviously
very disturbing,
630
00:32:31,068 --> 00:32:32,868
and I don't feel that this
631
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:36,772
is a very good place
for children.
632
00:32:36,774 --> 00:32:39,608
So, I went into the other room,
633
00:32:39,610 --> 00:32:43,211
and what I saw there was, like,
a line of people out the door.
634
00:32:43,213 --> 00:32:45,614
So, initially,
there's this one woman.
635
00:32:45,616 --> 00:32:47,949
She's kneeling
at the side of the bed
636
00:32:47,951 --> 00:32:50,185
trying to talk
to this little girl,
637
00:32:50,187 --> 00:32:53,021
and she's begging her for help.
638
00:32:53,023 --> 00:32:55,390
And then there's
a line of dead people
639
00:32:55,392 --> 00:32:57,826
out the door
and going down the stairs,
640
00:32:57,828 --> 00:33:01,463
and all of them want help
to be moved on.
641
00:33:01,465 --> 00:33:03,698
And the young girl is living?
642
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:04,733
Yes.
643
00:33:04,735 --> 00:33:06,635
Whether this child
knows it or not,
644
00:33:06,637 --> 00:33:07,669
she's a medium.
645
00:33:07,671 --> 00:33:11,373
And is actually helping people
in her sleep
646
00:33:11,375 --> 00:33:13,441
to, you know, move on.
647
00:33:13,443 --> 00:33:15,977
I [Bleep] Knew it.
648
00:33:15,979 --> 00:33:17,645
That's why this is so hard
on Sue.
649
00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:21,383
She actually thinks
Brooke Lynn's sensitive.
650
00:33:21,385 --> 00:33:25,186
I know that this is crazy,
651
00:33:25,188 --> 00:33:28,556
but Brooke Lynn wrote
this book a couple years ago
652
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:32,026
out of nowhere that was called
"Blood drops Everywhere."
653
00:33:32,028 --> 00:33:34,629
And it kind of scared us.
654
00:33:34,631 --> 00:33:37,599
- It was pretty graphic.
- Yeah, okay.
655
00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:40,768
She was probably
in kindergarten, first grade.
656
00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,838
I mean, talking about somebody
being stabbed with a knife.
657
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,510
Honestly, it's not unusual
for children who are mediums
658
00:33:49,512 --> 00:33:54,649
to act these things out
via dolls or writing stories
659
00:33:54,651 --> 00:33:58,619
that, you know, would be
more appropriate for an adult.
660
00:33:58,621 --> 00:34:01,322
Apparently, she probably knows
more than I do.
661
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,828
You had a lot of stuff
on this walk.
662
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:08,062
What else did you see?
663
00:34:08,064 --> 00:34:09,297
This is, you know,
664
00:34:09,299 --> 00:34:12,066
one of the things
that really bothered me.
665
00:34:12,068 --> 00:34:15,002
I saw this thing by the house,
666
00:34:15,004 --> 00:34:18,406
and it was, like,
trying to get into the house.
667
00:34:18,408 --> 00:34:19,607
It was odd.
668
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:21,042
It was very, very tall.
669
00:34:21,044 --> 00:34:23,310
It was kind of hunched
by its neck,
670
00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:25,312
but it had a weird, long neck.
671
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:27,515
It had, like,
a human-shaped head.
672
00:34:27,517 --> 00:34:31,185
It just really bothered me.
673
00:34:31,187 --> 00:34:33,220
It did not look human.
674
00:34:33,222 --> 00:34:36,724
I feel, like,
this draw to the window,
675
00:34:36,726 --> 00:34:40,761
and them being outside
and, like, looking in,
676
00:34:40,763 --> 00:34:42,296
making weird noises
and scratches.
677
00:34:42,298 --> 00:34:46,066
And I could see it had,
like, sharp teeth.
678
00:34:46,068 --> 00:34:47,835
Can they make noises
that they'll hear...
679
00:34:47,837 --> 00:34:50,504
like a knocking...
by any chance?
680
00:34:50,506 --> 00:34:51,939
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
681
00:34:51,941 --> 00:34:54,041
- How about banging?
- Yeah.
682
00:34:54,043 --> 00:34:57,778
Which we've had numerous,
numerous encounters with,
683
00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:59,413
knocking and banging.
684
00:34:59,415 --> 00:35:01,648
Ooh.
685
00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:06,420
- I'm trying to figure out what the hell these
things look like. - Well, I did do a sketch.
686
00:35:06,422 --> 00:35:07,955
I'm dying to see this.
687
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:18,065
Oh, get the [Bleep]
out of here.
688
00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:20,590
___
689
00:35:40,468 --> 00:35:45,405
- I'm trying to figure out what the hell these
things look like. - Well, I did do a sketch.
690
00:35:45,407 --> 00:35:46,940
I'm dying to see this.
691
00:35:54,315 --> 00:35:56,816
Oh, get the [Bleep]
out of here.
692
00:35:56,841 --> 00:35:59,341
___
693
00:36:09,697 --> 00:36:12,899
I'm never gonna get any sleep
in that house... never.
694
00:36:15,136 --> 00:36:19,973
She doesn't want to look at it,
and I'll explain why.
695
00:36:19,975 --> 00:36:21,574
When was it, last week?
696
00:36:21,576 --> 00:36:23,109
Ugh.
697
00:36:23,611 --> 00:36:26,579
Broad daylight,
and she says to me,
698
00:36:26,581 --> 00:36:28,614
"did you just see something
walk across the lawn?"
699
00:36:28,616 --> 00:36:32,351
I seen its head
up above the porch railing.
700
00:36:32,353 --> 00:36:34,620
A couple days later,
she says to me,
701
00:36:34,622 --> 00:36:36,388
"it must have been
pretty tall."
702
00:36:43,163 --> 00:36:44,263
You know what, babe,
703
00:36:44,265 --> 00:36:45,798
I'm gonna turn this around,
all right?
704
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,566
This way,
you don't have to look at it.
705
00:36:47,568 --> 00:36:49,435
[ Sighs ]
706
00:36:49,437 --> 00:36:52,104
Let me ask you, what the [Bleep]
are these things?
707
00:36:52,106 --> 00:36:54,039
I don't think
I've ever seen you
708
00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:56,108
sketch something like that
before.
709
00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:58,177
- Were they ever human?
- No. Mnh-mnh.
710
00:36:58,179 --> 00:37:01,380
I think that these things
harmed children in the past.
711
00:37:01,382 --> 00:37:03,382
- Geez.
- Like, way back when.
712
00:37:03,384 --> 00:37:05,117
They're very old,
713
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,353
and they're definitely focused
on your son.
714
00:37:08,355 --> 00:37:11,190
I think
it's what was touching him.
715
00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:15,060
Sue's been
physically touched twice.
716
00:37:15,062 --> 00:37:18,096
Describe that to Amy,
what it was like.
717
00:37:18,098 --> 00:37:20,766
Sue:
It was just a rub.
718
00:37:20,768 --> 00:37:22,167
You know, like this.
719
00:37:22,169 --> 00:37:23,302
Flesh on flesh.
720
00:37:23,304 --> 00:37:24,536
The other one,
721
00:37:24,538 --> 00:37:26,438
it's a little difficult
for her to talk about,
722
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,340
but they were together
on the couch,
723
00:37:28,342 --> 00:37:30,242
and she was inappropriately
touched.
724
00:37:30,244 --> 00:37:32,944
- Okay.
- There was nobody else there.
725
00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:35,680
It automatically triggered
just pure anger.
726
00:37:41,687 --> 00:37:44,222
Joe and Sue, I know you've heard
a lot tonight,
727
00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:48,126
and it wasn't easy to hear.
728
00:37:48,128 --> 00:37:50,462
But at least now you know
what's going on in your home.
729
00:37:50,464 --> 00:37:52,530
Big question is, though,
can you continue
730
00:37:52,532 --> 00:37:55,033
the legacy
of your grandparents, Joe,
731
00:37:55,035 --> 00:37:59,371
and stay here safely
with your wife and children?
732
00:37:59,373 --> 00:38:01,206
For that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
733
00:38:07,713 --> 00:38:10,248
There's a lot going on here.
734
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:12,684
Especially
because of Brooke Lynn.
735
00:38:12,686 --> 00:38:13,818
She's a medium.
736
00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:16,788
So what you're
gonna have there is, like,
737
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:19,457
a lighthouse, almost,
in your case,
738
00:38:19,459 --> 00:38:22,527
where the dead are coming
to seek help
739
00:38:22,529 --> 00:38:24,562
from the living sensitives
in the house.
740
00:38:26,065 --> 00:38:28,833
Some of the dead on your
property don't want to leave,
741
00:38:28,835 --> 00:38:31,469
that's why she's gonna need
to learn about her abilities
742
00:38:31,471 --> 00:38:33,671
and to feel comfortable
with them.
743
00:38:33,673 --> 00:38:36,741
I would suggest opening
a line of communication
744
00:38:36,743 --> 00:38:39,977
with all the kids about
any experiences that they have.
745
00:38:39,979 --> 00:38:42,280
My suggestion is,
746
00:38:42,282 --> 00:38:44,148
let them all keep
dream journals,
747
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:45,249
as well as you guys.
748
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:51,722
I didn't even mention this
to nobody.
749
00:38:51,724 --> 00:38:55,560
Brooke Lynn just said that
a couple weeks ago.
750
00:38:55,562 --> 00:38:57,428
She wanted all of us
to get journals
751
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,997
and write our dreams down.
752
00:38:59,999 --> 00:39:02,400
Honest to God.
753
00:39:02,402 --> 00:39:04,301
[ Sniffs ]
754
00:39:06,672 --> 00:39:10,741
It's so weird.
755
00:39:10,743 --> 00:39:12,576
She wants to talk about it.
756
00:39:12,578 --> 00:39:14,445
Sounds like she's
ahead of the game.
757
00:39:14,447 --> 00:39:16,046
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
758
00:39:16,048 --> 00:39:19,517
All right, the next thing
is the need to protect.
759
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,019
Since native Americans
are guarding your land,
760
00:39:22,021 --> 00:39:24,021
I suggest you contact
a local shaman
761
00:39:24,023 --> 00:39:25,289
who can help you remove
762
00:39:25,291 --> 00:39:27,725
the dead that have been
attracted to your property.
763
00:39:27,727 --> 00:39:31,161
In the meantime...
this is black salt.
764
00:39:31,163 --> 00:39:33,163
Take just a little bit of this
765
00:39:33,165 --> 00:39:36,900
and put it at the entrance
of each bedroom door.
766
00:39:36,902 --> 00:39:39,937
This will create
a protective barrier.
767
00:39:39,939 --> 00:39:41,872
The next thing
I would like you to do
768
00:39:41,874 --> 00:39:47,911
is to build a stone fence
following that property line.
769
00:39:47,913 --> 00:39:50,347
So, this stone wall
you're talking about,
770
00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:52,149
- is this keep the bad out?
- Yeah.
771
00:39:52,151 --> 00:39:54,384
Is it gonna keep
that thing you drew out?
772
00:39:54,386 --> 00:39:56,253
No, I don't think so.
773
00:39:56,255 --> 00:40:00,424
So, no matter what,
they're gonna be there?
774
00:40:00,426 --> 00:40:01,558
Yeah.
775
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,360
Yeah.
776
00:40:03,362 --> 00:40:06,463
Well... ugh.
777
00:40:06,465 --> 00:40:08,932
You have a potential situation
778
00:40:08,934 --> 00:40:12,669
that I personally
have never encountered before.
779
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:17,174
When I was doing the sketch
of the thing that I saw,
780
00:40:17,176 --> 00:40:20,510
I started to get really upset
by it,
781
00:40:20,512 --> 00:40:24,080
and the reason why was because
782
00:40:24,082 --> 00:40:27,684
I was being told that, in fact,
783
00:40:27,686 --> 00:40:30,954
it was some type
of alien creature.
784
00:40:30,956 --> 00:40:33,089
[Bleep]
785
00:40:33,091 --> 00:40:34,391
I know, it's a lot.
786
00:40:34,393 --> 00:40:37,060
And they're trying,
through subtle ways,
787
00:40:37,062 --> 00:40:42,098
to have the living people
get out of the area.
788
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:46,903
Amy: I've never encountered anything
like this in my entire career.
789
00:40:46,905 --> 00:40:49,973
I'm not exactly sure
what these things are
790
00:40:49,975 --> 00:40:52,909
or where they're from,
but it's possible
791
00:40:52,911 --> 00:40:56,346
they're from another world
or another dimension.
792
00:40:56,348 --> 00:40:58,715
I can introduce you
to some experts,
793
00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:02,318
and it's very possible
that they'll have suggestions
794
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,223
as far as how to keep
those suckers away.
795
00:41:07,225 --> 00:41:10,526
Steve:
What about his grandparents?
796
00:41:10,528 --> 00:41:12,762
They're good.
They're gonna hang out.
797
00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:13,596
Mm.
798
00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,164
What are you thinking about?
799
00:41:15,166 --> 00:41:18,034
It's just craziness.
800
00:41:18,036 --> 00:41:19,902
It's a lot of stuff, huh?
801
00:41:19,904 --> 00:41:22,305
Yeah, no doubt.
No doubt.
802
00:41:25,509 --> 00:41:26,576
So, Joe, I got to ask.
803
00:41:26,578 --> 00:41:29,112
Are you gonna take Amy's advice
and do what she says?
804
00:41:29,114 --> 00:41:30,280
Absolutely.
805
00:41:30,282 --> 00:41:32,582
I mean, you know,
all I'm looking for as a dad
806
00:41:32,584 --> 00:41:37,754
is just, you know,
keep my wife and kids safe.
807
00:41:37,756 --> 00:41:39,706
I want to take her advice.
808
00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:41,975
I want to do what we can do
809
00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:44,944
to eliminate
all of this chaos...
810
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:52,619
And hope that those creatures
will go.
811
00:41:53,121 --> 00:41:56,756
Amy: I wish I had better news
for Joe and Sue.
812
00:41:56,758 --> 00:42:00,126
I know if they build a barrier
and work with Brooke Lynn,
813
00:42:00,128 --> 00:42:01,761
their lives should improve.
814
00:42:01,763 --> 00:42:04,730
But whether they can continue
to co-exist
815
00:42:04,732 --> 00:42:06,265
with those creatures,
816
00:42:06,267 --> 00:42:08,801
unfortunately,
remains to be seen.
817
00:42:09,326 --> 00:42:12,926
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