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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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I'm getting a really sharp pain here.
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And the guy came up and
just went, bam bam bam!
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I'm driven insane by this.
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You saw an apparition of a woman here.
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Right here, yes.
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Stop it!
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He died in a mental hospital.
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I heard this female voice.
There was nobody there.
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He went insane.
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Oh, I think she got murdered.
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(Amy) We will hurt you.
Don't think that we won't.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's something down there.
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I see dead people.
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He doesn't want me back there.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's pissed.
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And they speak to me.
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She doesn't like the people who live here.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Someone did hang themselves here.
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- Where?
- There.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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Did you want to kill him?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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She did die in this house.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Would you be surprised if there
were bodies in the basement?
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No.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Not good.
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Will we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Will it get worse?
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Or time to get out?
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- Oh, yes.
- Whew.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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Steve does the Detective work.
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He meets with the homeowners,
interviews the witnesses.
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And finds the evidence.
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So we can later find out if
there are any correlations.
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I'm pulling into Great Falls, Montana.
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It's a city that got its name from the
five waterfalls that surround the area.
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I'm going to investigate a house
that's about 120 years old.
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The home is occupied by a woman, Kelly, who
lives there with her 6-year-old daughter.
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Kelly says she's seen a female apparition.
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She thinks she's going
crazy, so I'm gonna go
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meet with her now and
find out what's going on.
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(Amy) Matt comes in before me to
make sure the location is clean.
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He takes down any information
that might seem leading.
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And could possibly influence my findings.
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He basically cleans the slate
before I come in and do my walk.
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(Eerie music playing)
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(Door creaks)
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(Amy sighs)
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So... much...
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Stress.
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Just feeling all these people, and
they're just so stressed out and...
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(Sighs)
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Worried and unhappy and...
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Stop it! Oh!
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I'm driven insane by this.
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I don't really like this place.
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(Eerie music playing)
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So, Kelly, now that I'm here, uh, why
don't you explain what's going on?
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Well, I bought this house
a couple years ago,
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and for some reason, I had to have it.
I felt compelled to buy it.
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It was the, um, founder of Great
Falls' home, Paris Gibson.
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- Well, what do you know about him?
- Well, he had the house built in 1890,
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and he is also the person
that founded Great Falls.
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So why don't you try to explain if you can
what, kind of strange things are going on?
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Well, when I bought the house
and I started renovating it,
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I realized that we weren't
really the only ones here.
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(Kelly) There was a lot of
remodel work that I had to do.
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I was standing here, looking at the floors,
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thinking about what to do with
them, and then I saw the woman.
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You saw an apparition of a
woman here in this room.
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- Right here, yes.
- Okay, can you describe her for me?
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She was very tall and
slender, very well-dressed.
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Old clothes, like around
the turn of the century.
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And I believe it's Valeria Gibson.
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Who's Valeria Gibson?
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Valeria Gibson was Paris Gibson's wife,
and I think she still lives here with us.
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- Have you ever told anybody that?
- Very few people.
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- Do they think you're crazy, or...
- Pretty much.
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And then all of a sudden,
after I saw her...
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She just tells me things.
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They sort of just come to
me, like, in my dreams.
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(Steve) Kelly's right...
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She may actually be crazy.
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If I'm getting this right, you're telling
me she's putting thoughts into your head.
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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She just sort of tells me what to do.
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I came here thinking she
was seeing a ghost.
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Now she's telling me that she has a ghost
that's actually controlling her dreams.
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(Floorboards creaking)
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Someone just walked from here...
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Over to the stairs.
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I think they're just spying on us.
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I think that maybe...
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People can see them sometimes.
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When I communicate with the dead,
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they sometimes tell me about the encounters
they've already had with the living.
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Somebody's definitely seen a dead
person here, like an apparition.
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When I saw her apparition, it gave me the
idea that I needed to tear this wall out.
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And when I tore the wall
out, this is what I found.
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This is an old, old inkwell...
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From, like, 1895.
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And I believe it was Valeria's.
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Now do you think she
wanted you to find this?
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Oh, I'm sure of it, because I would
never have taken this wall out.
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I had no reason to take the wall out.
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And I think there's a diary that's still
in this house, but I can't find it.
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Kelly's story sounds insane,
but it does make some sense.
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She dreamed she'd find something
hidden inside a wall, and she did.
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So I get that she would
expect the same result,
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when she dreams about a hidden diary.
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(Eerie music playing)
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(Heartbeat pounding)
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(Amy sighs)
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Man, they do not want me
to see this, do they?
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See what?
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I don't know why there's
screaming and yelling going on.
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What are you looking for?
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That's so weird, I feel almost like...
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There should be...
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A room.
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Mm...
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Somebody's putting stuff in there and...
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Who's putting stuff in there?
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A woman.
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(Matt) What kind of stuff
are they putting in there?
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Books.
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I feel like somebody's in there, but...
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Let's pull it out.
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Where the [Bleep] did they go?
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(Indistinct whispering)
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(Eerie music playing)
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I feel like it should go through somewhere.
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Well, why don't we pull it all out?
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(Amy) I can feel that this place was
used for hiding very important things.
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But now there's nothing
left but insulation.
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(Whispering) Ow.
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(Groans)
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I'm getting really sharp
pain through my chest...
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Really sharp pain here.
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I think this is the female.
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I'm hearing a female say, yes,
it's me, I died here. Mm-hmm.
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How?
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(Footsteps)
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I'm seeing stairs.
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(Steve) This is new territory for me.
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I'm standing here with a
woman who's convinced
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that a dead woman is implanting
thoughts into her head.
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I can tell you what she told
me what happened to her.
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She was up here writing, and,
um, her son Theodore came up,
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and they got into a confrontation.
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And he pushed her down the stairs.
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(Woman screaming)
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And she broke her neck and died.
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- That's what she's relayed to you?
- Yeah. Yes.
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That came to me in a... in a dream.
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(Amy) She's, like, running up the stairs...
(Heavy breathing)
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And then I do see her...
she's falling back down.
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Somebody did this to her?
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Um...
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She's saying it was done to her.
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You know, there was a lot
of things done to her.
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Her whole life was kind of...
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Dictated. And...
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How she died was...
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Also dictated.
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(Amy) I'm actually seeing a woman...
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Who was murdered.
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(Kelly) Valeria Gibson told me that there's
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underground tunnels
underneath the house, too.
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And they took her corpse
down to the basement.
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And through the tunnels to the Park Hotel.
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It says in the newspaper that,
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she jumped off the Park Hotel and committed
suicide, but she didn't do that.
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She didn't commit suicide.
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And I think that's what she wants people to
know, and that's why she's telling me that.
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From what you're saying, if she's saying
it, is that they made it look accidental.
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It was a cover-up.
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And Valeria's telling me that...
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The family got the tunnel system going.
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These tunnels are all
associated with this house?
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Yep.
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And you've never seen this tunnel yourself.
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- No.
- Okay.
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I had a dream, and I know where they are.
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But I haven't opened the one
up from underneath my house.
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- But I know where it is, yes.
- You do?
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I do.
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This is where I think the tunnels are.
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Okay, and you think that because Valeria...
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- Told me.
- Okay.
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This is where they took the corpse
out down to the Park Hotel.
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Did you ever have blueprints
for this house, by any chance?
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- I never did.
- Okay.
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When I bought the house, I
checked out City Hall...
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To see if I could get a set of
blueprints, and they're completely gone.
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There's nothing showing any
kind of a tunnel or anything.
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- That's why...
- All the tunnels are unrecorded.
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Right.
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I'm having a hard time believing
everything I'm hearing,
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but I've heard stranger things
that turned out to be true.
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And since I can't disprove any of this,
I'm gonna continue the investigation
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and see if there's anything I can validate.
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(Eerie music playing)
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Oh, man.
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I really... I really don't like it in here.
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(Rubbing hands together)
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(Sighs)
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(Door creaking)
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(Scoffs)
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What is that?
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See, I'm wondering if the
floor could go down more.
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I see probably, like, a few people...
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Um, down in the ground further.
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I feel like...
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There's like, more down...
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Like a little cellar area.
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Or something like that.
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(Steve) After speaking with Kelly today,
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I'm having a problem trying
to prove any of this.
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Basically, it's hearsay.
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I need to start with something concrete,
so I'm gonna go look into the tunnels.
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I called a guy named Brad.
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He's gonna use some radar equipment to see
if there's any tunnels under the house.
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Basically, it sends a signal down,
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which then reflects off of
things in the subsurface.
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If there's a change in reflectivity,
like from a void space,
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the signal comes back up very distinctly
and records on the instrument.
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(Eerie music playing)
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(Buttons beeping)
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(Device beeps)
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(Beeping increases)
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Okay, so what's the verdict?
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There was some change in the fill material.
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So it's possible there could have been a
tunnel there that was then filled in later.
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Okay, Brad's test found
an area of the basement
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filled with different dirt from the
rest of it, so maybe Kelly's right.
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There could be a tunnel under there.
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(Heartbeat pounding)
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What is that?
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Big man.
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Doesn't want me back there.
Does not want me back there.
252
00:16:54,902 --> 00:16:55,979
He's like...
253
00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:58,910
(Voice echoing) Get outta here. Shut up.
254
00:16:58,911 --> 00:17:03,687
(Normal voice) And he's calling me some
names like, you [Bleep], blah blah blah.
255
00:17:03,688 --> 00:17:07,288
He's telling me to go away.
256
00:17:07,892 --> 00:17:10,658
- Can you see him?
- Yeah, he's a big guy.
257
00:17:10,659 --> 00:17:16,559
I don't know how he fits in there,
because he's bigger than the door.
258
00:17:19,228 --> 00:17:25,005
He's probably, like, 6-foot, and
he's, like, a real stocky guy.
259
00:17:25,006 --> 00:17:28,463
He's very protective of this area.
260
00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:32,364
He's yelling in my ear really...
261
00:17:33,709 --> 00:17:35,869
Stop it.
262
00:17:40,056 --> 00:17:41,856
Mm.
263
00:17:42,326 --> 00:17:44,334
He's like, uh, (Clicks lips)
264
00:17:44,335 --> 00:17:46,363
Stop it. (Gasps)
265
00:17:46,364 --> 00:17:49,424
(Indistinct whispering)
266
00:18:00,979 --> 00:18:03,381
(Amy) Walking through the
basement of this house,
267
00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:07,591
there's a large man who's blocking the
doorway and won't stop yelling at me.
268
00:18:07,592 --> 00:18:11,495
I think he's trying to stop me from
seeing what's in the back of that room.
269
00:18:11,496 --> 00:18:15,494
He's, like, retreating,
because I didn't leave.
270
00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:20,604
And, um, he doesn't really want
to give me any more information.
271
00:18:20,605 --> 00:18:23,154
Um, and he's just like,
just don't touch anything.
272
00:18:23,155 --> 00:18:26,575
Just don't touch anything.
273
00:18:33,216 --> 00:18:37,806
(Steve) I still don't know what
to make of this woman Kelly.
274
00:18:37,807 --> 00:18:40,724
She lives in a house built by
the founder of Great Falls,
275
00:18:40,725 --> 00:18:44,595
and she thinks his dead wife is
planting thoughts into her head.
276
00:18:44,596 --> 00:18:47,765
I'm gonna go talk to the guys who
did remodeling in the house.
277
00:18:47,766 --> 00:18:50,879
I'm gonna find out if their story
jives with what Kelly is telling me.
278
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,947
Kelly told me you guys
did some work in there,
279
00:18:52,948 --> 00:18:55,473
and she said you had some
strange things happen.
280
00:18:55,474 --> 00:18:58,868
Um, one time, when we were working on
the trim work in the living room area,
281
00:18:58,869 --> 00:19:01,813
we heard this female voice
coming from the kitchen area.
282
00:19:01,814 --> 00:19:04,984
And I said, well, great, Kelly's here.
So we walk out there and,
283
00:19:04,985 --> 00:19:08,045
there's nobody there.
284
00:19:08,110 --> 00:19:11,086
All of a sudden, we hear
these footsteps upstairs.
285
00:19:11,087 --> 00:19:13,279
So I said, well, she must be upstairs.
286
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,211
And so Mark runs upstairs, and he came
back and he goes, there's nobody there.
287
00:19:18,212 --> 00:19:22,054
There'd be times, uh, that he'd
be gone picking me up material,
288
00:19:22,055 --> 00:19:24,667
and, uh, I'd hear somebody talking.
289
00:19:24,668 --> 00:19:27,624
You know, it's full
conversation, a woman's voice.
290
00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:29,653
And I'm thinking, oh, great, they're back.
291
00:19:29,654 --> 00:19:31,598
I go out there to go see where he parked
292
00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:33,493
and grab my material, and
they're not even here.
293
00:19:33,494 --> 00:19:37,121
Nobody's here, you know.
It's just me and the house.
294
00:19:37,122 --> 00:19:39,367
(Steve) Now you guys won't
go back in the house, right?
295
00:19:39,368 --> 00:19:41,768
- No.
- No.
296
00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:45,973
(Eerie music playing)
297
00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:53,280
(Stairs creaking)
298
00:19:59,979 --> 00:20:05,879
This woman's saying, you know, I just
don't want any more of this going on.
299
00:20:06,232 --> 00:20:11,374
You know, I just want to sleep,
and I just want to relax.
300
00:20:11,375 --> 00:20:14,104
- Who's saying this?
- This lady.
301
00:20:14,105 --> 00:20:17,432
It's the same lady as...
302
00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:19,833
Downstairs...
303
00:20:20,318 --> 00:20:24,325
But she's kind of, like,
walking away from me.
304
00:20:24,326 --> 00:20:27,419
She thinks, you know, that we're evil.
305
00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:31,560
And, uh, that we shouldn't be here.
306
00:20:32,122 --> 00:20:33,966
These children...
307
00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:37,627
She's trying to protect them.
308
00:20:41,264 --> 00:20:45,276
She can't do the things
that she wants to do.
309
00:20:45,277 --> 00:20:48,805
Um, because there's all these
different people that come.
310
00:20:48,806 --> 00:20:54,578
And different things happening,
and they don't make sense to her.
311
00:20:54,579 --> 00:21:00,479
And, uh, she's gonna leave, because
she thinks that we're evil.
312
00:21:03,989 --> 00:21:07,357
(Steve) Since Kelly's convinced she's
seeing the ghost of Valeria Gibson.
313
00:21:07,358 --> 00:21:12,458
I need to find out more
about the Gibson family.
314
00:21:14,931 --> 00:21:17,721
Paris Gibson is legendary in Great Falls.
315
00:21:17,722 --> 00:21:20,307
He founded the city in 1883.
316
00:21:20,308 --> 00:21:25,259
You can't even spit in this town without
hitting something with his name on it.
317
00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:29,112
What's weird is, I can't
find much on Valeria.
318
00:21:29,113 --> 00:21:33,750
Not even solid evidence as to when
or if she ever lived in that house.
319
00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:36,612
She did have two sons...
Theodore and Philip...
320
00:21:36,613 --> 00:21:39,362
Who were both very involved
in Paris' business.
321
00:21:39,363 --> 00:21:43,927
And two other children that were born
before them but died at a very young age.
322
00:21:43,928 --> 00:21:48,601
But I can't find a single portrait or
picture of Valeria around this town.
323
00:21:48,602 --> 00:21:51,101
And that's a bit suspicious.
324
00:21:51,102 --> 00:21:54,102
(Eerie music playing)
325
00:21:58,642 --> 00:22:01,462
(Footsteps echoing)
326
00:22:03,814 --> 00:22:08,497
(Amy) I'm hearing a guy yell at
me that nobody wants me here.
327
00:22:08,498 --> 00:22:10,520
Okay, this is a very...
328
00:22:10,521 --> 00:22:12,921
Quiet group.
329
00:22:13,995 --> 00:22:15,959
They don't like outsiders.
330
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,361
(Men speaking indistinctly)
331
00:22:18,362 --> 00:22:20,163
There are men.
332
00:22:20,164 --> 00:22:23,361
How are these men that
are around her related?
333
00:22:23,362 --> 00:22:26,602
I think they're family.
334
00:22:36,112 --> 00:22:39,068
There's something really...
335
00:22:39,069 --> 00:22:41,109
Foul...
336
00:22:41,552 --> 00:22:43,592
Foul...
337
00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:48,319
And nasty.
338
00:22:48,456 --> 00:22:50,436
And...
339
00:22:52,095 --> 00:22:56,045
I think someone who was a little...
340
00:22:56,046 --> 00:22:58,368
Mentally unstable.
341
00:22:58,369 --> 00:23:00,589
(Laughter)
342
00:23:00,832 --> 00:23:05,432
They're screaming. They're
screaming, we will hurt you.
343
00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:08,923
Don't think that we won't.
344
00:23:08,924 --> 00:23:11,984
(Indistinct whispering)
345
00:23:20,311 --> 00:23:23,311
(Eerie music playing)
346
00:23:27,788 --> 00:23:32,435
How are these men that
are around her related?
347
00:23:32,436 --> 00:23:34,529
Um, I think...
348
00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:37,170
They're family.
349
00:23:38,867 --> 00:23:42,947
I think someone who was a little...
350
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,153
Mentally unstable.
351
00:23:45,154 --> 00:23:46,985
(Laughter)
352
00:23:46,986 --> 00:23:49,655
And it's so weird. Yeah, it's weird.
353
00:23:49,656 --> 00:23:54,431
They're screaming. They're
screaming, we will hurt you.
354
00:23:54,432 --> 00:23:57,972
Don't think that we won't.
355
00:24:03,135 --> 00:24:05,776
(Steve) Continuing my research
into the Gibson family,
356
00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:10,242
I read some disturbing things about Paris
Gibson's sons Theodore and Philip.
357
00:24:10,243 --> 00:24:12,849
Since Theodore also lived in
Kelly's house for quite a while,
358
00:24:12,850 --> 00:24:16,154
I'm meeting with a town historian to
get his thoughts on the two sons.
359
00:24:16,155 --> 00:24:18,695
Uh, do you know anything
about the sons themselves?
360
00:24:18,696 --> 00:24:24,366
In many ways, I think of the
two sons as good cop/bad cop.
361
00:24:24,367 --> 00:24:27,371
Philip was a toughie.
362
00:24:27,372 --> 00:24:31,952
He was in fights. He was
Paris Gibson's enforcer.
363
00:24:31,953 --> 00:24:37,853
Uh, Theodore was the good cop, and it was
almost like they were playing roles.
364
00:24:39,382 --> 00:24:42,382
(Eerie music playing)
365
00:24:50,463 --> 00:24:54,543
(Amy) Some guy was hitting the guy.
366
00:24:55,398 --> 00:24:57,758
Sometimes when I touch objects,
367
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:01,927
my mind is flooded with the residual
imprint that lives within them.
368
00:25:01,928 --> 00:25:06,810
It's basically like opening up a
window to another point in time.
369
00:25:06,811 --> 00:25:10,531
Somebody hit him on his hands.
370
00:25:11,952 --> 00:25:15,099
The guy came up and just went, bam bam bam!
371
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:19,660
And I think he broke some of his fingers.
372
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,699
- The other guy was a nut job.
- (Matt) Which one?
373
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:27,620
The one who's hitting
this other guy's hands.
374
00:25:27,997 --> 00:25:30,895
The guy was, like, just in shock.
375
00:25:30,896 --> 00:25:33,228
(Voice echoing) What's wrong with you?
376
00:25:33,229 --> 00:25:37,009
What... why are you doing that?
377
00:25:42,311 --> 00:25:47,171
Philip, uh, was sent to
Warm Springs, Montana.
378
00:25:47,174 --> 00:25:50,119
To the state mental hospital.
379
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:54,791
The medical records say in his
case it was exhaustion of paresis,
380
00:25:54,792 --> 00:25:56,492
and that is a mental disorder.
381
00:25:56,493 --> 00:25:59,395
And he died in the mental hospital.
382
00:25:59,396 --> 00:26:03,310
Ironically, later the other son, Theodore.
383
00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:06,848
Suffered some similar mental problems.
384
00:26:06,849 --> 00:26:10,787
And he was sent to Warm Springs, as well.
385
00:26:10,788 --> 00:26:13,976
So both of her sons died in
the state mental hospital?
386
00:26:13,977 --> 00:26:16,617
That's correct.
387
00:26:18,127 --> 00:26:20,525
The other guy was just like...
(Laughs crazily)
388
00:26:20,526 --> 00:26:23,598
Like, he thought it was just funny.
389
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,019
He was definitely unstable.
390
00:26:30,842 --> 00:26:34,634
(Steve) Now that I have some solid facts
about the Paris Gibson family home.
391
00:26:34,635 --> 00:26:40,399
It's time to find out more about the
house after the family died off.
392
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,498
Kelly's neighbor Mark was born and
raised in the house next door,
393
00:26:43,499 --> 00:26:45,875
and has lived there for over 40 years.
394
00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:48,540
Mark, as I was talking to Kelly
about what's going on at her house,
395
00:26:48,541 --> 00:26:50,858
she said that...
396
00:26:50,859 --> 00:26:53,446
She thinks she's living with
the spirit of Valeria Gibson.
397
00:26:53,447 --> 00:26:55,141
What... what do you think about that?
398
00:26:55,142 --> 00:26:59,682
Um, yeah, actually, I think it's...
it's very possible.
399
00:26:59,683 --> 00:27:04,300
And the reason being is, uh, things
I've experienced over there myself.
400
00:27:04,301 --> 00:27:06,122
Now have you seen anything at her house?
401
00:27:06,123 --> 00:27:07,984
I haven't seen anything,
but I've felt things.
402
00:27:07,985 --> 00:27:11,585
Absolutely, I've felt things.
403
00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:14,034
I have felt threatened...
404
00:27:14,035 --> 00:27:18,719
Um, times where I would
not go in that house.
405
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,970
Well, that's strange, because she has
a totally different outlook about it.
406
00:27:21,971 --> 00:27:23,760
She doesn't have any fear of it.
407
00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:27,030
It seemed that, um, whatever
was going on over there,
408
00:27:27,031 --> 00:27:30,511
it was focused towards men.
409
00:27:30,798 --> 00:27:34,398
She had workers that would...
410
00:27:34,482 --> 00:27:38,894
Have a lot of issues, hear a lot of
things, and refuse to go in her home.
411
00:27:38,895 --> 00:27:40,512
What do you know about her house?
412
00:27:40,513 --> 00:27:42,971
I've been born and raised in this
neighborhood, in this house,
413
00:27:42,972 --> 00:27:44,512
and I know quite a bit about it.
414
00:27:44,513 --> 00:27:49,252
A lot of these older homes were
converted into apartments.
415
00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:54,176
Kelly's home was, um, turned
into a renter or boardinghouse.
416
00:27:54,177 --> 00:27:56,360
What kind of, uh, people were living here?
417
00:27:56,361 --> 00:27:59,463
In the early years, when they first
started, it was military personnel.
418
00:27:59,464 --> 00:28:01,483
In Kelly's place, it was
a little different.
419
00:28:01,484 --> 00:28:05,186
The people that were renting
exclusively over at...
420
00:28:05,187 --> 00:28:08,288
The Gibson home were...
421
00:28:08,289 --> 00:28:10,890
Mentally challenged.
422
00:28:10,891 --> 00:28:14,445
People that were out of,
um, an institution.
423
00:28:14,446 --> 00:28:15,767
- Really?
- Yes.
424
00:28:15,768 --> 00:28:19,124
The owner that I remember as growing up.
425
00:28:19,125 --> 00:28:20,710
He...
426
00:28:20,711 --> 00:28:23,311
He went insane.
427
00:28:23,312 --> 00:28:27,358
But I do remember him being
escorted out of his home.
428
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,027
And I... that's what I remember,
sitting on the front porch,
429
00:28:30,028 --> 00:28:33,270
watching him being taken out...
430
00:28:33,271 --> 00:28:35,837
Literally in a white straitjacket.
431
00:28:35,838 --> 00:28:40,504
It was... it was a big ordeal,
and it was a spectacle.
432
00:28:40,505 --> 00:28:46,405
I mean, he was taken to Warm
Springs after living in that home.
433
00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:49,129
(Steve) So let me get this straight...
434
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:52,650
This guy that used to own the Gibson
house wound up in a mental hospital?
435
00:28:52,651 --> 00:28:55,342
Paris Gibson's kids, too?
436
00:28:55,343 --> 00:29:00,191
If Kelly's having a mental breakdown, she
wouldn't be the first one in this house.
437
00:29:00,192 --> 00:29:03,192
(Eerie music playing)
438
00:29:13,237 --> 00:29:17,317
Man, I am getting a lot of people.
439
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:23,126
When I first walked into this house, the
amount of activity I saw was pretty normal.
440
00:29:23,127 --> 00:29:26,350
But the longer I stay here,
the more I feel consumed
441
00:29:26,351 --> 00:29:30,300
by the abnormal amount of the
dead vying for my attention.
442
00:29:30,301 --> 00:29:35,521
There's a lot of, uh, of
people coming and going.
443
00:29:37,061 --> 00:29:42,034
I mean, there's more than,
uh, would be normal...
444
00:29:42,035 --> 00:29:44,555
In the house.
445
00:29:45,626 --> 00:29:47,666
(Sighs)
446
00:29:50,264 --> 00:29:53,684
What is with these people?
447
00:29:54,327 --> 00:29:57,087
It's just weird.
448
00:29:58,908 --> 00:30:01,629
And there's so much, uh...
449
00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:04,105
Sadness, uh...
450
00:30:04,106 --> 00:30:06,135
(Groans)
451
00:30:06,136 --> 00:30:09,256
And illness and, uh...
452
00:30:10,073 --> 00:30:15,973
Yeah, lots of people, like,
climbing in and out of the windows.
453
00:30:16,569 --> 00:30:22,469
And then people who don't want
to talk, who are taunting us.
454
00:30:22,598 --> 00:30:27,458
We have one who's having
psychological issues.
455
00:30:28,084 --> 00:30:33,904
And one who doesn't like us,
because we're not from here.
456
00:30:34,442 --> 00:30:38,679
(Amy) Is this really
happening, or am I crazy?
457
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,740
(Indistinct whispering)
458
00:30:49,229 --> 00:30:52,229
(Eerie music playing)
459
00:31:06,253 --> 00:31:09,168
Now that Amy and I have finished
with our investigation,
460
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:13,542
this is the first time we'll be
hearing each other's findings.
461
00:31:13,543 --> 00:31:16,457
Kelly's a little on edge about
what we're gonna reveal,
462
00:31:16,458 --> 00:31:19,744
so she asked her neighbor Mark to
join her for some moral support.
463
00:31:19,745 --> 00:31:21,335
He reluctantly agreed.
464
00:31:21,336 --> 00:31:24,902
The reason we were called in is
Kelly's had some issues in the house.
465
00:31:24,903 --> 00:31:27,749
I'd like Kelly to now tell
you about her interactions.
466
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,771
(Kelly) A year and a half
ago, I bought this house.
467
00:31:29,772 --> 00:31:33,378
And Paris Gibson was the founder of
Great Falls, and this was his house.
468
00:31:33,379 --> 00:31:37,615
And, um, he lived here
with his wife Valeria.
469
00:31:37,616 --> 00:31:42,053
And I've been communicating with a
woman for the past year and a half.
470
00:31:42,054 --> 00:31:44,616
And I believe that it's Valeria.
471
00:31:44,617 --> 00:31:49,327
I would like to know if I am totally crazy.
472
00:31:49,328 --> 00:31:51,486
Well, you're not crazy.
473
00:31:51,487 --> 00:31:55,267
Um, I encountered a woman here.
474
00:31:55,528 --> 00:31:57,064
Wow.
475
00:31:57,065 --> 00:32:01,096
When I came in, she was the
first person I connected with.
476
00:32:01,097 --> 00:32:04,675
And had two children that she
was protecting with her.
477
00:32:04,676 --> 00:32:08,117
She thinks, you know, that we're evil.
478
00:32:08,118 --> 00:32:11,742
And, uh, that we shouldn't be here.
479
00:32:11,743 --> 00:32:13,844
These children...
480
00:32:13,845 --> 00:32:17,117
She's trying to protect them.
481
00:32:17,118 --> 00:32:20,584
During my background investigation, I
found out that Valeria had four children.
482
00:32:20,585 --> 00:32:22,748
Two of them actually died
at a very young age.
483
00:32:22,749 --> 00:32:25,315
One was 1, and one was 2.
484
00:32:25,316 --> 00:32:27,954
Um, well, I know she was protecting them.
485
00:32:27,955 --> 00:32:30,086
She wouldn't let me
interact with them at all.
486
00:32:30,087 --> 00:32:33,496
She wouldn't let me see them,
so that there would be no,
487
00:32:33,497 --> 00:32:35,120
interaction with the children.
488
00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:38,659
Because she wanted to protect
them as much as possible.
489
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:40,398
And...
490
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,166
She's surrounded by a lot of men.
491
00:32:43,167 --> 00:32:46,111
And it was hard to communicate with her,
492
00:32:46,112 --> 00:32:49,297
because the men didn't
want her to talk to me.
493
00:32:49,298 --> 00:32:51,953
And they were kind of
making her feel guilty.
494
00:32:51,954 --> 00:32:57,359
And she felt, um, that communicating
with me might be evil.
495
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,393
Kelly, tell her the story
that you relayed to me
496
00:33:00,394 --> 00:33:03,001
about what you think
might have went on here.
497
00:33:03,002 --> 00:33:05,234
Well, Valeria Gibson...
498
00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:08,329
I feel, I guess, that she's
a very intelligent woman.
499
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:11,541
And very outspoken, but she couldn't speak.
500
00:33:11,542 --> 00:33:14,092
She was repressed.
501
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,095
She was not allowed to...
502
00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:18,990
To talk about anything.
503
00:33:18,991 --> 00:33:21,271
And she...
504
00:33:22,722 --> 00:33:28,045
Has sort of communicated to me that a lot
of bad things have happened in this house.
505
00:33:28,046 --> 00:33:31,826
And that those men were responsible
for a lot of very bad things.
506
00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:35,454
Yes, I would agree with that 100%.
507
00:33:35,455 --> 00:33:38,035
Um, in fact...
508
00:33:38,465 --> 00:33:41,281
I did get her death.
509
00:33:41,282 --> 00:33:46,861
I did see her running and
possibly falling down the stairs.
510
00:33:46,862 --> 00:33:49,968
(Amy) She's, like, running up the stairs.
511
00:33:49,969 --> 00:33:53,164
She's falling back down.
512
00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:56,825
Oh, I think she got murdered.
513
00:33:57,117 --> 00:33:59,404
I felt like her death was not natural.
514
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:02,024
It... it was a murder.
515
00:34:02,025 --> 00:34:04,176
I... wow. Wow.
516
00:34:04,177 --> 00:34:06,893
Because that's exactly
what I said to Steve.
517
00:34:06,894 --> 00:34:09,912
What she's communicated to me...
518
00:34:09,913 --> 00:34:11,714
Wow, um...
519
00:34:11,715 --> 00:34:16,752
Is that she was pushed down the
third-floor staircase and broke her neck.
520
00:34:16,753 --> 00:34:18,914
- Wow.
- Mm hmm.
521
00:34:18,915 --> 00:34:21,500
And the... the newspapers had reported...
522
00:34:21,501 --> 00:34:24,070
That she fell off the Park Hotel.
523
00:34:24,071 --> 00:34:28,084
But that was not what happened.
She was murdered here.
524
00:34:28,085 --> 00:34:31,498
(Steve) The odd thing about it, there's not
much, I mean, there's newspaper articles.
525
00:34:31,499 --> 00:34:35,993
There's only two. One says she
died accidentally from a fall.
526
00:34:35,994 --> 00:34:38,853
And the other one just says she died.
They're contradicting.
527
00:34:38,854 --> 00:34:40,386
Mm-hmm.
528
00:34:40,387 --> 00:34:44,640
To top it all off, the death certificate
was signed off on, which I have.
529
00:34:44,641 --> 00:34:47,209
And it said that it was
an accidental death.
530
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:49,190
But...
531
00:34:49,666 --> 00:34:52,250
That's it... just accidental.
532
00:34:52,251 --> 00:34:57,388
And it was actually signed off on by her
brother-in-law, her sister's husband.
533
00:34:57,389 --> 00:35:00,492
When you look at the facts
surrounding Valeria's death.
534
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:03,217
A lot of fingers point
towards the Gibson family.
535
00:35:03,218 --> 00:35:06,068
Kelly might be on to
something, it's very possible,
536
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:08,540
this could have been
some kind of a cover-up.
537
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,894
She was transported through the
underground tunnel from this house,
538
00:35:11,895 --> 00:35:14,063
to the Park Hotel.
539
00:35:14,064 --> 00:35:17,298
And she... her body was dumped off.
540
00:35:17,299 --> 00:35:19,464
Wow. Okay.
541
00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:22,268
And that's what I told Steve.
542
00:35:22,269 --> 00:35:27,215
Amy, I saw the look on your face when
Kelly mentioned the underground tunnels.
543
00:35:27,216 --> 00:35:30,559
Um, what I can recall is that...
544
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,452
I was in the basement, and I
wanted to go down further,
545
00:35:34,453 --> 00:35:36,890
which made no sense to me at the time.
546
00:35:36,891 --> 00:35:40,218
It was kind of a little frustrating.
547
00:35:40,219 --> 00:35:43,111
I feel like there's, like..
548
00:35:43,112 --> 00:35:44,911
More down.
549
00:35:44,912 --> 00:35:48,332
Like a little cellar area.
550
00:35:49,071 --> 00:35:50,889
When Kelly mentioned about the tunnels,
551
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:55,034
I called in a guy, Brad, and he used a
system called ground-penetrating radar.
552
00:35:55,035 --> 00:35:57,027
They do a lot of this
testing around here for
553
00:35:57,028 --> 00:35:58,938
- old mine shafts and stuff like that.
- Oh.
554
00:35:58,939 --> 00:36:01,440
So I had him do a test here.
555
00:36:01,441 --> 00:36:04,235
Um, he didn't find any tunnels,
556
00:36:04,236 --> 00:36:06,593
but what he did find was, uh...
557
00:36:06,594 --> 00:36:11,183
Areas where it looked like there may
have been tunnels that were filled in.
558
00:36:11,184 --> 00:36:13,729
- They've been filled in.
- How do you know that?
559
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:17,056
I don't know. I can't tell you that.
I just know it.
560
00:36:17,057 --> 00:36:20,229
Because you can't tell when you go down
there that there's anything at all.
561
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:21,237
Right, I know.
562
00:36:21,238 --> 00:36:23,124
- Mark and I have talked about this...
- Yeah.
563
00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:25,443
And I'm like, I have to get in this tunnel.
564
00:36:25,444 --> 00:36:27,332
I have to get in this tunnel.
565
00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:31,506
Right. I understand that feeling totally.
566
00:36:31,507 --> 00:36:34,567
(Indistinct whispering)
567
00:36:35,557 --> 00:36:39,957
One of the things that uh,
I did get as well, was...
568
00:36:39,958 --> 00:36:43,618
Something about, uh, five men.
569
00:36:44,606 --> 00:36:46,159
And two of the men were...
570
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,280
Were unstable mentally.
571
00:36:51,573 --> 00:36:55,398
(Amy) Some guy was hitting the guy.
572
00:36:55,399 --> 00:36:58,513
The guy came up and just went, bam bam bam!
573
00:36:58,514 --> 00:37:01,482
And I think he broke some of his fingers.
574
00:37:01,483 --> 00:37:04,423
Guy was a nut job.
575
00:37:05,165 --> 00:37:08,290
Well, when I was speaking with
Ken, the historian in town.
576
00:37:08,291 --> 00:37:13,527
He mentioned that the son Philip was
the muscle for the father, so...
577
00:37:13,528 --> 00:37:16,348
Is he still here?
578
00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:20,026
Yes.
579
00:37:21,937 --> 00:37:24,997
(Indistinct whispering)
580
00:37:37,594 --> 00:37:39,958
Is he still here?
581
00:37:39,959 --> 00:37:41,624
Yes.
582
00:37:41,625 --> 00:37:46,462
But he came in from outside,
and so he's not in the house.
583
00:37:46,463 --> 00:37:49,943
He's outside of the house.
584
00:37:50,092 --> 00:37:54,036
Well, it turns out that both the sons,
Theodore and Philip, went insane.
585
00:37:54,037 --> 00:37:55,028
(Gasps)
586
00:37:55,029 --> 00:37:56,287
Oh, my.
587
00:37:56,288 --> 00:37:59,047
And I got Theodore's
death certificate here,
588
00:37:59,048 --> 00:38:04,748
and it says exhaustion of general
paralysis of the insane.
589
00:38:04,938 --> 00:38:08,569
Philip went insane, also, according to the
documentation on his death certificate.
590
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,157
Exhaustion of para... same thing... insane.
591
00:38:11,158 --> 00:38:12,826
Wow.
592
00:38:12,827 --> 00:38:15,665
The most frustrating thing
about this case for me...
593
00:38:15,666 --> 00:38:19,867
There's nothing about Valeria anywhere.
There's no portraits. There's no pictures.
594
00:38:19,868 --> 00:38:21,730
Apparently somebody wanted
her to be anonymous.
595
00:38:21,731 --> 00:38:23,673
Why is there no documentation on her?
596
00:38:23,674 --> 00:38:25,326
- Right.
- Why are there no photos of her?
597
00:38:25,327 --> 00:38:28,644
I don't get that. An
influential man like that...
598
00:38:28,645 --> 00:38:32,390
You would think the woman he's married
to, there would be something about her.
599
00:38:32,391 --> 00:38:34,541
- Yeah.
- I think she'd become a problem.
600
00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:37,425
Because of their stature in this town.
601
00:38:37,426 --> 00:38:42,025
Her murder needed to be just wiped
off the face of history, really.
602
00:38:42,026 --> 00:38:43,517
- Excuses.
- Well, that's the whole...
603
00:38:43,518 --> 00:38:47,594
The suppression and how she was
treated, which is horribly, so...
604
00:38:47,595 --> 00:38:50,838
Do you think the woman you saw
is the same woman she saw?
605
00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:53,196
I don't know. She didn't
tell me who she was.
606
00:38:53,197 --> 00:38:58,474
There was no opportunity, really, um,
just because of the men coming in.
607
00:38:58,475 --> 00:39:01,844
- She's in the house.
- She's guarding this house.
608
00:39:01,845 --> 00:39:04,251
- Yeah.
- This was her house.
609
00:39:04,252 --> 00:39:08,184
The woman in this house stayed
behind for a very specific reason.
610
00:39:08,185 --> 00:39:10,704
To guard the spirits of
these two young children,
611
00:39:10,705 --> 00:39:13,410
from all of the insanity around them.
612
00:39:13,411 --> 00:39:15,993
Kelly, explain to her what you
were talking with me about,
613
00:39:15,994 --> 00:39:17,497
the ink bottle you found here.
614
00:39:17,498 --> 00:39:19,001
And you said something about a diary.
615
00:39:19,002 --> 00:39:22,925
There's a diary. There's some
documentation that's written down...
616
00:39:22,926 --> 00:39:26,484
Somewhere in this house of
what happened to Valeria.
617
00:39:26,485 --> 00:39:31,285
But I cannot find it.
This just tortures me.
618
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,081
Somebody's putting stuff in there.
619
00:39:34,082 --> 00:39:37,691
(Matt) What kind of stuff
are they putting in there?
620
00:39:37,692 --> 00:39:39,672
Books.
621
00:39:41,075 --> 00:39:43,300
I kind of saw like,
622
00:39:43,301 --> 00:39:47,104
her putting a little box in
there or books in there.
623
00:39:47,105 --> 00:39:50,313
She told me I needed to tear the
wall out to find the inkwell.
624
00:39:50,314 --> 00:39:52,896
I mean, I didn't even know it was there.
625
00:39:52,897 --> 00:39:56,151
Kelly, you just wake up sometimes
and you know things. Is that right?
626
00:39:56,152 --> 00:39:57,280
That's how she talks to me.
627
00:39:57,281 --> 00:39:58,969
- It's at night in my dreams.
- Right.
628
00:39:58,970 --> 00:40:02,204
I just know these things, and
I'm like, this is crazy.
629
00:40:02,205 --> 00:40:05,304
Um, you know, when you're
asleep is the easiest
630
00:40:05,305 --> 00:40:08,113
time for them to communicate with you.
631
00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:13,449
Because the brain is actually the
most active when we're asleep.
632
00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:16,986
Which may mean that it's so active,
633
00:40:16,987 --> 00:40:22,887
that it's actually open to receiving
the information from the dead.
634
00:40:24,029 --> 00:40:26,529
The other thing about the houses here...
635
00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:28,392
Uh, they made 'em into boardinghouses.
636
00:40:28,393 --> 00:40:31,191
So you had a lot of transient
occupants coming in and out of here.
637
00:40:31,192 --> 00:40:35,349
Mm-hmm. I got a lot of different stories.
638
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:38,167
Why is there such a heavy feeling
or dark feeling still there?
639
00:40:38,168 --> 00:40:41,393
Sometimes a location will hold on to...
640
00:40:41,394 --> 00:40:45,388
Very traumatic, major
events that have occurred.
641
00:40:45,389 --> 00:40:48,278
That leave an imprint on the location.
642
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:51,233
Is there anything that would help...
643
00:40:51,234 --> 00:40:54,824
Prove what we're talking about.
644
00:40:54,825 --> 00:40:59,625
Valeria's death... I
mean, is there anything?
645
00:40:59,662 --> 00:41:03,358
I really wish I could find more
evidence to support these theories.
646
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:04,967
It seems very possible.
647
00:41:04,968 --> 00:41:09,151
The answers we're looking for
could be somewhere in this house.
648
00:41:09,152 --> 00:41:14,310
The main thing that the dead typically
want us to do is to tell their stories.
649
00:41:14,311 --> 00:41:17,121
I've been in positions where I've
had to tell the dead's story,
650
00:41:17,122 --> 00:41:20,568
and some people didn't
react very well to it.
651
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:26,184
Um, so you do have to be careful about
how you go about it in some situations.
652
00:41:26,185 --> 00:41:30,743
(Amy) Kelly is communicating with a female
apparition on a very primitive level.
653
00:41:30,744 --> 00:41:33,991
With time, she can learn how
to hone her abilities...
654
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:38,061
And establish a direct line of
communication with the spirit.
655
00:41:38,062 --> 00:41:41,173
If you want to, um, hear them out.
656
00:41:41,174 --> 00:41:43,439
Before you go to sleep
you could say, you know,
657
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,376
it's okay to come and talk to me.
658
00:41:46,377 --> 00:41:48,501
Not through me.
659
00:41:48,502 --> 00:41:52,648
And show... you know, through my
dreams you can tell me your story.
660
00:41:52,649 --> 00:41:55,576
- It'll help them.
- That's amazing.
661
00:41:55,577 --> 00:41:57,411
I mean, it's just amazing,
662
00:41:57,412 --> 00:42:00,929
because it's not something that I
can really tell very many people.
663
00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:02,749
- I mean, Mark knows.
- Right.
664
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:06,345
But that's not something you can actually,
like, have a complete conversation with,
665
00:42:06,346 --> 00:42:09,064
because they think you're a raging lunatic.
666
00:42:09,065 --> 00:42:11,045
Right.
667
00:42:12,071 --> 00:42:13,861
Thank you.
668
00:42:13,862 --> 00:42:19,762
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