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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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This is my house of dolls.
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Dolls were originally,
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vessels for the dead.
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My 9-year-old daughter,
she walked in her room
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and saw a little girl
playing in her closet.
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She just wants something bad to happen.
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Ghosts can't harm you. Only the living can.
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I feel like I'm just out of
my league with this one.
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The living people can hear
the dead people talking.
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(Squeals) No.
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I'd like some answers.
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You need to leave because it's not safe.
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(Man) Why isn't it safe?
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Because so many people died around here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's something down there.
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I see dead people.
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He doesn't want me back there.
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I speak to dead people.
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She's pissed.
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And they speak to me.
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She doesn't like the people who live here.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Someone did hang themselves here.
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- Where?
- There.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective.
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Did you want to kill him?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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She did die in this house.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Would you be surprised if there
were bodies in the basement?
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No.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Not good.
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Will we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Will it get worse?
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Or time to get out?
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- Oh, yes.
- Whew.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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(Train whistle blows)
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Steve will dig into the
history of a location.
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He'll talk to the people involved.
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He'll gather all the facts so
that later when we come together,
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we can see if our research has
drawn any significant conclusions.
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I'm down in Cramerton, North Carolina,
which is just outside of Charlotte.
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Cramerton used to be the location of
the country's largest cotton mill.
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This is classic America.
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I got a call from a couple
named Lisa and John.
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They have a 9 year old daughter,
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who's been seeing apparitions
and hearing noises.
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They're obviously concerned.
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So Amy and I are down here to see if we
can find out anything to help them out.
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(Eerie music)
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(Amy) Matt will come in and do what
we call a cleaning of the location.
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So he'll remove anything like...
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Personal family photos, artwork, names.
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Any type of leading information,
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so that I won't lose my focus
during the investigation.
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(Amy) Whoa. Somebody pushed me.
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- My head, man.
- What happened?
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I don't know. Maybe somebody got
hit in the back of the head...
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Really, really, really...
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Really hard.
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Like, eh. I got hit!
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And I'm on the ground now.
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- Steve? Hi.
- Lisa. Hi, how are you?
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- Good. Come on in.
- Thank you.
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This is my house of dolls.
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(Eerie music)
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I have over 2,000 dolls.
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- Here, in the house?
- Here, yes.
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Yeah, they're... they're everywhere.
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Just every place you can find
to fit a doll, there is one.
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Yeah, I mostly keep and collect dolls.
My dolls go back to over 100 years old.
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I got to be honest with you.
I'm a little creeped out.
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- This doesn't bother anybody else?
- Nobody in the house it bothers.
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I've had people that we
hire to do work for us,
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come in and not want to come in and work.
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Yeah, I could see.
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If I have five or six dolls,
I could put them away.
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I'm not putting away a hundred
so you can work on my house.
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We just have to get somebody else that's
not creeped out by eyes looking at him.
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Lisa, beside yourself, who
else lives in the house?
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- My husband Johnny...
- Okay.
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And my 9-year-old daughter Salem and me.
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All right, so why don't you
tell me what's going on?
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Well, Salem has been coming and telling
us about people sitting on her bed
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and talking to her since we moved in.
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She would say, the lady
was on my bed last night.
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You know, the lady talked to me last night.
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And just recently, about a month
ago, she walked in her room
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and saw a little girl
playing in her closet.
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(Girl laughing)
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She said a little girl was
messing in her clothes.
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Do you think she's getting
that from you guys,
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or is there something that she
just picked up on her own?
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She brings home books from
the library on World War II,
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and Yellow Fever epidemics.
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And she's very interested in war and death.
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- Really?
- But I got to really...
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Really stop her on some of the
things she's interested in.
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Like, no, that's all you can see of this.
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It's just kind of weird.
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All right.
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(Eerie music)
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Hmm, that's interesting.
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Yeah.
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Uh...
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Just a lot of dolls, which are creepy.
Dolls are creepy.
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My goodness.
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Oh, my. My, my goodness.
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Dolls were originally...
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Vessels for the dead. Like to...
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So that the dead could be within the dolls
because the dolls are hollow shells.
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Yeah, they were vessels made for the dead.
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And the dead are talking
about being trapped.
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They want to leave.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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(Amy) Oh, my. My, my goodness.
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I have never seen this
many dolls in my life.
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In some cultures, dolls
were created as vessels
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or resting places for the human soul.
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Problem is they can also attract
souls that haven't moved on yet.
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This is Salem's room.
This is where she sleeps.
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- And she's gonna be home soon?
- Yeah.
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- It won't be long, yeah. She'll be home.
- Okay.
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I'll be able to talk to
her when she gets here.
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And you mentioned something about,
there being somebody by the bed?
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Yeah. She has woken up many times and said
that she talked to a lady at her bed.
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One time, she said she could
feel the lady's weight
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of her arm when she laid
her arm across her legs.
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And there's the closet where she saw the
little girl playing in her clothes.
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(Girl laughing)
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There's, like, a little
dead girl in the closet.
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Uh...
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And I think...
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She just...
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Wants something bad to happen.
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Why do you say that they want
something bad to happen?
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Because the little girl just told me that.
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What did she tell you?
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Uh, that they want something bad to happen.
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What does that mean?
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She just is giggling.
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Have they tried to make bad things happen?
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Well, what did they say?
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That she doesn't like the
people who live here.
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- Hi, Salem.
- Hi.
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(Steve) I'm finally able
to sit down with Salem,
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who I'm the most concerned
about in this case.
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She's the only one that's
seen any paranormal activity.
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So I wanted to dig a
little bit deep to find
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out what she's seen and what she's heard.
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I was wondering if you
can explain some of the
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things that were going on,
if that's okay with you?
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Yeah.
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Okay, why don't you tell me about what you
experience when you're sleeping at night?
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There was this lady that came up on my bed.
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I was able to feel the pressure.
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And this happened while you were sleeping?
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Yeah, I woke up and saw
her, and I talked to her,
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but I really can't remember what she said.
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You said you felt?
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Mm-hmm, she was sitting like right
over here while I was laying down.
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- And you weren't frightened?
- No.
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- At all?
- I felt kind of calm.
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So seeing the apparitions
doesn't scare you.
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No.
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I just find that a little strange, you
know, that it wouldn't scare you.
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When I was younger, it scared
me because I didn't understand,
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but when I got to, like,
7, I understood, like,
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wait, ghosts can't harm
you, only the living can.
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I mean, I'm a retired Detective,
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and I've been in a lot of
situations where I get scared.
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And I can sit here and say
that that would scare me.
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Mm-hmm.
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Now you have an interest in World War II?
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Yeah. My mom started watching
movies about Anne Frank.
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Okay.
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And I wasn't there back
then in the 1940 to 1945
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and 1944 when it happened.
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All right.
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And so that's when I got interested in,
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and I got some books and
started reading about it.
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And I still have an interest in The Civil
War with the Confederate and Union.
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I think it's, like, scary
and cool at the same time.
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(Amy) See, this is where voices...
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There's a lot of voices in here.
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Lots of voices because people
are coming and going here.
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Dead people are coming and going here.
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And they're walking back and forth,
and they're walking back and forth.
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And there's a lot of talking,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And it's... people can hear it.
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People can hear people talking.
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The living people can hear
the dead people talking.
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And they don't want to hear it.
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And so they're like closing it off.
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Like, (Squeals) No.
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Lisa's concerned with their daughter.
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Quite frankly, so am I.
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It's time for me to sit
down with her husband John.
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And find out what he thinks about all this.
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Now, John, I'm curious about Salem.
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She's pretty young. She's 9.
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Now she's seen quite a few things.
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I mean how... do you have
a concern about that?
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Oh, yeah, I'm very concerned about that.
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That's been going on since
we bought the house.
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We need to know is this
something that is good?
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Is it evil? Is it... what is it?
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I'd like some answers.
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And, hm, somebody used to like...
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Walks up here, walks up here, right here,
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right here and then...
(Imitates whispering)
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Somebody's standing here,
and they're trying to talk.
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(Imitates whispering)
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Yeah, they're trying to talk.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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What are they trying to tell them?
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To leave.
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- To leave?
- Yeah.
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Why?
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You need to leave because it's not safe.
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Why isn't it safe?
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I think because so many
people died around here.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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(Eerie music)
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(Amy) When I walked into the basement,
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I was struck with the image
of death and disease.
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Bodies were just stacked up all over the
room, all the way up to the ceiling.
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And then I saw this evil man
that was torturing this girl.
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Oh, I get this, like, kind of like weird...
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Like... like...
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Like he had the black hat and the
black jacket and the black slacks.
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And..
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He's doing weird
things to this girl.
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Not even like... oh, man.
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[Bleeps] I'm getting these
weird pains that hurt.
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He might be poking her, and it's
over a long period of time.
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She felt poking it, poking it, didn't hurt.
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I'm like, really? Because it hurts me.
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No, mnh-mnh.
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It didn't hurt her. It was, like, poked.
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Like, poking, poking.
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(Steve) Doing my usual background
investigation on a home.
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Nothing really jumps out
at me on this case.
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The trail goes cold around 1946.
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That's when Cramerton Mills owned
this town as well as this house.
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So I've set up a meeting
with a man who literally
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wrote the book on the history of Cramerton.
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I'm conducting an investigation,
actually, at a home that's in Cramerton,
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so I was wondering if you could give me
some background information on the area,
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on some of its history.
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The area that the house
that you were looking at,
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is in what we called old town.
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Which was the original part of
town that was built to support,
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the families that lived and
worked in the original mill.
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I'm trying to figure out if anything
bad happened during that time?
264
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There was an earlier plague
that came through the area...
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In 1902, 1903.
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I can't tell you for sure how many
people were affected in Cramerton,
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but most of them died.
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And there would have been no mortuary.
269
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No way to keep that many dead bodies.
270
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So they lived in a segregated
area called a Pest House.
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(Amy) You know, there's
people laying down down here.
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And I don't know about that.
273
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I don't know.
274
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I don't know about that.
275
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How many?
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People, how many people were down here?
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Quite a few, yes.
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Quite a few stacked.
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Ewe.
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Ugh, I don't know what that's about.
281
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Eh, they're like in sacks and, uh, sheets.
282
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And uh...
283
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There's a lot of women.
284
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And, uh...
285
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And there are children, a lot of children.
286
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And... and women, and, um...
287
00:17:23,719 --> 00:17:27,388
And they got sick. They were sick.
288
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And people are like this.
289
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(Groans)
290
00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:33,815
I'm sick, I'm sick.
291
00:17:33,816 --> 00:17:36,516
(Shudders, sighs)
292
00:17:36,604 --> 00:17:39,185
And they're all, like, cold.
293
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It's cold, and they're sick.
294
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And...
295
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And some of them, they don't have shoes,
and, you know, and some of them don't...
296
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Don't even have, like, much clothing on.
297
00:17:52,265 --> 00:17:54,813
They don't feel so very well.
298
00:17:54,814 --> 00:17:57,514
And, um, very...
299
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Um...
300
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Sad.
301
00:18:00,535 --> 00:18:02,815
And, um...
302
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There's no building.
There's just the Earth.
303
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All of them are dying.
304
00:18:17,957 --> 00:18:19,464
(Steve) After speaking with Larry,
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00:18:19,465 --> 00:18:22,237
he told me that Cramerton was
overrun with two epidemics.
306
00:18:22,238 --> 00:18:23,958
One in the early 1900s,
307
00:18:23,959 --> 00:18:27,715
and another one when the Native
Americans inhabited the land over here.
308
00:18:27,716 --> 00:18:29,759
So now I'm gonna meet
with a local historian.
309
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,100
Maybe he can shed some light
on Cramerton's history.
310
00:18:43,838 --> 00:18:48,924
I'm doing an investigation regarding a
home in and around the area of Cramerton.
311
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I understand there were two major plagues
that happened in the history of this area.
312
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Right.
313
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And it would severely
debilitate the population.
314
00:18:57,086 --> 00:18:59,433
I had read somewhere during
the research I was doing
315
00:18:59,434 --> 00:19:01,618
that there was things called a Pest House?
316
00:19:01,619 --> 00:19:05,181
And was there a certain area where
they would keep people quarantined?
317
00:19:05,182 --> 00:19:08,525
The idea of a quarantined area...
318
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Was particularly associated
with diseases like um...
319
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Well, Smallpox.
320
00:19:15,082 --> 00:19:20,982
And there was disfigurement and
scarring, and there was isolation.
321
00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:26,905
(Eerie music)
322
00:19:37,691 --> 00:19:40,161
(Amy) There's a lot of
activity inside the house,
323
00:19:40,162 --> 00:19:43,464
but there's even more dead people outside.
324
00:19:43,465 --> 00:19:49,365
And I'm being drawn to the edge of the
woods that run behind the property.
325
00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,797
I've never seen anything like it.
326
00:19:51,798 --> 00:19:54,438
(Frogs chirping)
327
00:19:54,842 --> 00:19:57,690
They're going down.
328
00:19:57,691 --> 00:20:00,691
That's really weird.
329
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,850
They're just... yeah, they're just going...
330
00:20:02,851 --> 00:20:04,952
Being sucked right into the Earth.
331
00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:07,167
And then the other ones
are just crawling out,
332
00:20:07,168 --> 00:20:11,085
crawling up, standing up, and walking.
333
00:20:11,086 --> 00:20:13,782
I mean, obviously, I think
there's water there.
334
00:20:13,783 --> 00:20:15,096
Hmm.
335
00:20:15,097 --> 00:20:16,177
Is that happening now?
336
00:20:16,178 --> 00:20:18,632
Like, the people who are
coming up, though...
337
00:20:18,633 --> 00:20:20,868
They don't look so good.
338
00:20:20,869 --> 00:20:23,828
They don't look good at
all, like, initially.
339
00:20:23,829 --> 00:20:27,402
Like, when they come up,
and then they're like...
340
00:20:27,403 --> 00:20:31,177
They're like all, ugh, and
they're, like, crawling.
341
00:20:31,178 --> 00:20:33,663
And then they... then they get...
and they stand up.
342
00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:35,721
Can you describe them?
343
00:20:35,722 --> 00:20:38,362
Native American.
344
00:20:40,727 --> 00:20:43,437
Dr. May, I know that
once white man settled,
345
00:20:43,438 --> 00:20:45,668
- they brought a lot of disease with them.
- Right.
346
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:48,616
So when Smallpox did hit the
Native American population,
347
00:20:48,617 --> 00:20:50,374
what did they do with their dead?
348
00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:53,429
They would have used the river as a means,
349
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:56,596
of disposal of the remains.
350
00:20:56,597 --> 00:21:00,437
To get it out of the community.
351
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:05,849
They're going down...
352
00:21:07,464 --> 00:21:10,524
Like, into the water.
353
00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:15,256
They're just going. People
are coming up, walking.
354
00:21:15,257 --> 00:21:19,392
People... and then people are walking,
and they're going down into the Earth.
355
00:21:19,393 --> 00:21:22,496
Like, literally down into the Earth.
356
00:21:22,497 --> 00:21:25,233
Is there any kind of
opening or anything or...
357
00:21:25,234 --> 00:21:26,533
I don't know.
358
00:21:26,534 --> 00:21:30,284
Are they just kind of
walking through it? Like...
359
00:21:30,285 --> 00:21:32,907
No, it's like they're being sucked into it.
360
00:21:32,908 --> 00:21:36,042
- Like is there any kind of...
- Like... (Slurps)
361
00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:40,471
I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing.
362
00:21:40,472 --> 00:21:43,782
I feel kind of weird about it.
363
00:21:43,783 --> 00:21:48,121
Like, it's kind of freaking
me out a little bit.
364
00:21:48,122 --> 00:21:51,182
(Indistinct whispering)
365
00:22:01,902 --> 00:22:04,902
(Train bell clanging)
366
00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,366
(Eerie music)
367
00:22:20,353 --> 00:22:23,963
There are just a lot of people...
368
00:22:23,964 --> 00:22:27,761
Dead people that are just everywhere here.
369
00:22:27,762 --> 00:22:31,667
And this man came up, and
he was trying to touch me.
370
00:22:31,668 --> 00:22:33,689
And I don't like him.
371
00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:36,407
He's not a good person.
372
00:22:36,408 --> 00:22:38,976
And I don't know if he's,
like, manipulating himself
373
00:22:38,977 --> 00:22:41,112
or what because he's super tall.
374
00:22:41,113 --> 00:22:44,548
Like abnormal, like long
arms and long legs.
375
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:47,263
It's, like, doesn't look
really normal to me.
376
00:22:47,264 --> 00:22:48,999
It looks really creepy.
377
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,821
Uh...
378
00:22:50,822 --> 00:22:53,902
He looks like a mortician would.
379
00:22:53,903 --> 00:22:57,651
(Amy) I see dead people every day,
and it takes a lot to scare me.
380
00:22:57,652 --> 00:23:00,210
But this guy scares me.
381
00:23:00,211 --> 00:23:01,667
And...
382
00:23:01,668 --> 00:23:04,332
There's this woman...
383
00:23:04,333 --> 00:23:06,317
Who he...
384
00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:09,240
Keeps prodding her...
385
00:23:09,241 --> 00:23:12,210
Poking her, cutting her.
386
00:23:12,211 --> 00:23:14,671
(Eerie music)
387
00:23:21,584 --> 00:23:23,162
(Steve) Digging deeper into the case,
388
00:23:23,163 --> 00:23:26,099
I found that they have these
places called Pest Houses
389
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:30,403
that quarantined people that fell
sick to Typhoid Fever and Smallpox.
390
00:23:30,404 --> 00:23:34,507
In 1902 alone, there were 400 people
confined to these Pest Houses.
391
00:23:34,508 --> 00:23:37,510
In a town whose population was
4,000 people at the time,
392
00:23:37,511 --> 00:23:39,299
that's a big chunk of the people.
393
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,720
Most interesting were the doctors
that worked in these Pest Houses
394
00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:46,219
and the measures that they took to prevent
themselves from getting infected.
395
00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:48,680
(Eerie music)
396
00:23:59,065 --> 00:24:03,803
The dead man who looked like a
mortician really scared me,
397
00:24:03,804 --> 00:24:06,272
and I saw him very clearly.
398
00:24:06,273 --> 00:24:09,109
So I'm gonna have the
sketch artist draw him.
399
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:12,321
So in this situation, it's
a little bit different.
400
00:24:12,322 --> 00:24:15,672
The reason why it's
different is because he...
401
00:24:15,673 --> 00:24:19,935
Is projecting how he
wants people to see him.
402
00:24:19,936 --> 00:24:22,936
Which is not normal.
403
00:24:23,227 --> 00:24:25,536
So we're gonna draw that entire person.
404
00:24:25,537 --> 00:24:29,974
- Is that okay?
- Okay, that's no problem.
405
00:24:29,975 --> 00:24:31,831
What kind of a shape, the head?
406
00:24:31,832 --> 00:24:34,472
It's elongated.
407
00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:38,702
So the thing is is that he was very thin.
408
00:24:38,703 --> 00:24:41,763
Like, abnormally thin.
409
00:24:45,926 --> 00:24:51,826
His eyes were deep-set so his cheekbones
were a little bit pronounced.
410
00:24:53,352 --> 00:24:55,812
That's good.
411
00:24:59,034 --> 00:25:00,594
What kind of clothes was he wearing?
412
00:25:00,595 --> 00:25:04,375
He had on a long black jacket.
413
00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:11,821
Okay, then, you think we're almost there?
414
00:25:11,822 --> 00:25:13,742
Yeah.
415
00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:26,543
How's that look?
416
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:37,430
(Steve) So I finally uncover some
real facts about this house.
417
00:25:37,431 --> 00:25:40,945
But that doesn't necessarily explain
these experiences that Salem's having.
418
00:25:40,946 --> 00:25:44,807
She's a 9-year-old kid. Frankly
I'm concerned about her.
419
00:25:44,808 --> 00:25:50,639
So I'm gonna break the rules a little
bit here and ask Amy for help.
420
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,077
Amy, listen, this case has got me a
little perplexed as far as the kid.
421
00:25:55,078 --> 00:25:58,143
- What's her name?
- Her name is Salem.
422
00:25:58,144 --> 00:25:59,254
Okay.
423
00:25:59,255 --> 00:26:02,205
She's got an incredible
infatuation with the dead.
424
00:26:02,206 --> 00:26:03,831
Now she's seen apparitions.
425
00:26:03,832 --> 00:26:06,534
She's not afraid of the
paranormal whatsoever.
426
00:26:06,535 --> 00:26:08,276
I mean, she's pretty adamant about it.
427
00:26:08,277 --> 00:26:11,459
I've never seen a 9 year old so...
428
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:13,881
Confident in the way she feels.
429
00:26:13,882 --> 00:26:16,509
I feel like I'm just out of
my league with this one.
430
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:20,014
And I think you're better
suited to speak with her.
431
00:26:20,015 --> 00:26:22,585
I mean, I've talked to her as a
Detective talks to a witness,
432
00:26:22,586 --> 00:26:25,740
- and once she speaks with you...
- Mm hmm.
433
00:26:25,741 --> 00:26:28,552
I think you'll get a better idea
of what's going on than I will.
434
00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:32,327
You know, myself, like, when I was a
child and dealing with all of this,
435
00:26:32,328 --> 00:26:35,754
I was very fascinated and
fixated on death as well.
436
00:26:35,755 --> 00:26:38,305
Like, I would see these
things on television.
437
00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:42,710
Lizzie Borden, became obsessed with
that, became obsessed with Anne Frank.
438
00:26:42,711 --> 00:26:45,363
You have this fear of death.
439
00:26:45,364 --> 00:26:48,557
Because all you know of it is
these people wandering around.
440
00:26:48,558 --> 00:26:52,227
It's funny you mention Anne Frank because
she mentioned the same thing to me.
441
00:26:52,228 --> 00:26:53,632
Anne Frank specifically?
442
00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:54,908
- Yeah.
- Interesting.
443
00:26:54,909 --> 00:26:56,538
- So...
- Okay.
444
00:26:56,539 --> 00:26:59,000
The more you can help with her interview,
445
00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:04,161
I think its gonna bring a
lot more to the table.
446
00:27:12,439 --> 00:27:16,383
(Amy) So I understand that you've
had some unusual experiences?
447
00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:17,296
Mm-hmm.
448
00:27:17,297 --> 00:27:19,386
Can you tell me about a few of those?
449
00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:23,156
Like, maybe two or three that
really stick out in your mind?
450
00:27:23,157 --> 00:27:26,436
- Well, one time, uh, in my room...
- Mm hmm.
451
00:27:26,437 --> 00:27:30,314
And I saw a little girl playing through my
closet, I was about like right here, and
452
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,390
she was like right in there.
453
00:27:32,391 --> 00:27:35,110
In the other room or in the closet?
454
00:27:35,111 --> 00:27:36,435
- Closet.
- Okay.
455
00:27:36,436 --> 00:27:38,945
Playing through my clothes, and
it looked like she was like a,
456
00:27:38,946 --> 00:27:41,149
girl maybe about 7 or 8.
457
00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:43,873
Maybe about a year younger than me.
458
00:27:43,874 --> 00:27:45,129
All right.
459
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:50,150
And one time, I was sleeping in
my bed, but I woke up, I feel...
460
00:27:50,151 --> 00:27:52,628
Feeling something, it
looked like an old woman.
461
00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:55,155
And I was able to feel
the pressure on the leg.
462
00:27:55,156 --> 00:27:56,789
- She was touching you?
- Mm hmm.
463
00:27:56,790 --> 00:27:58,879
Why was she touching you?
464
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,562
Because I think I got in trouble
that day, and I fell asleep crying.
465
00:28:02,563 --> 00:28:04,631
- So she was comforting you?
- Mm hmm.
466
00:28:04,632 --> 00:28:05,901
Okay, okay.
467
00:28:05,902 --> 00:28:08,335
(Amy) You know, Salem and
I are not that different.
468
00:28:08,336 --> 00:28:11,959
I started to see the dead
at a very young age, too.
469
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,705
And hopefully I can help her understand
what she's been experiencing.
470
00:28:16,706 --> 00:28:21,617
How long have you been
kind of seeing the dead?
471
00:28:21,618 --> 00:28:23,807
Since we came here.
472
00:28:23,808 --> 00:28:25,729
- Since you moved here.
- Yeah.
473
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:28,904
Okay, so you never had
any experiences before?
474
00:28:28,905 --> 00:28:33,847
No. My last house was calm. Like, it was
a brand-new house, like a modern house.
475
00:28:33,848 --> 00:28:36,550
- Like, nobody was able to die in it yet.
- Hmm.
476
00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:40,521
And so I did want to ask you
about the dolls in the house.
477
00:28:40,522 --> 00:28:41,614
Mm-hmm.
478
00:28:41,615 --> 00:28:45,859
And I want to ask you how you feel
about having all these dolls.
479
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:50,180
Um, I feel pretty all right with it...
480
00:28:50,303 --> 00:28:53,372
Except they get in your way,
and they get on your nerves.
481
00:28:53,373 --> 00:28:55,079
- But not my mom, though.
- Mm hmm.
482
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,108
She's like, don't bother them!
They're all right.
483
00:28:57,109 --> 00:28:59,959
- They're not living.
- Mm hmm.
484
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,830
- Do you want them to move the dolls or...
- I want to scoot them out and...
485
00:29:03,831 --> 00:29:07,151
- Or stretch out the house.
- Right, right, yes.
486
00:29:07,152 --> 00:29:10,764
So you feel good about the friendly dead?
487
00:29:10,765 --> 00:29:14,241
I believe that Jesus and God
will be able to protect me.
488
00:29:14,242 --> 00:29:16,676
Okay, good. That's very good.
489
00:29:16,677 --> 00:29:21,214
So do you have any questions that you'd
like to ask or anything like that?
490
00:29:21,215 --> 00:29:23,822
Have you ever seen anything, like,
491
00:29:23,823 --> 00:29:26,743
that you believe was bad or really bad?
492
00:29:26,744 --> 00:29:28,999
Yes, I have.
493
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,194
It's kind of like the living.
494
00:29:30,195 --> 00:29:32,335
There are some bad ones, and
there are some good ones.
495
00:29:32,336 --> 00:29:33,628
Ooh.
496
00:29:33,629 --> 00:29:38,030
Have you felt, like, really,
really calm when you see a ghost?
497
00:29:38,031 --> 00:29:39,954
Like, it made you happy to see it?
498
00:29:39,955 --> 00:29:42,886
Mm-hmm, yes, I've had some really good...
499
00:29:42,887 --> 00:29:45,372
Really good encounters with the dead.
500
00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:47,841
- Um, you okay?
- Yeah.
501
00:29:47,842 --> 00:29:49,702
Yeah? What's going on?
502
00:29:49,703 --> 00:29:52,021
- My eyes are watery.
- Okay.
503
00:29:52,022 --> 00:29:56,858
So, yeah, there, there
are bad entities. And...
504
00:29:56,859 --> 00:29:59,578
It's good that you know
to protect yourself.
505
00:29:59,579 --> 00:30:00,558
Mm-hmm.
506
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,680
It took me a long time
to learn that because...
507
00:30:04,681 --> 00:30:08,821
- Yes, that absolutely works.
- Yeah.
508
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:13,890
(Indistinct whispering)
509
00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:23,920
(Eerie music)
510
00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:47,009
(Steve) John, Lisa, it's
good to see you again.
511
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:48,634
This is my partner Amy.
512
00:30:48,635 --> 00:30:50,902
Now the reason we're here
is to try to give them a
513
00:30:50,903 --> 00:30:54,087
hand with some issues they're
having in the house.
514
00:30:54,088 --> 00:30:58,284
Normally I don't meet with Amy until
the end of our investigation.
515
00:30:58,285 --> 00:31:01,071
In this case, after speaking with Salem,
516
00:31:01,072 --> 00:31:03,741
I felt that I was a little
bit out of my league.
517
00:31:03,742 --> 00:31:06,918
I thought Amy would be better
suited to speak with her.
518
00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:09,758
She doesn't know what I
uncovered till the end anyway.
519
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,027
Um, and I don't know what
she sees on her walk.
520
00:31:14,028 --> 00:31:17,980
So this is the part where we both find out
each other's findings in the investigation,
521
00:31:17,981 --> 00:31:19,365
and we share them with you.
522
00:31:19,366 --> 00:31:20,160
Right.
523
00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:23,350
Now I did a lot of research
as far as the house goes.
524
00:31:23,351 --> 00:31:26,978
And the house is very old.
It was built in 1900.
525
00:31:26,979 --> 00:31:29,332
There was a mill here years ago.
526
00:31:29,333 --> 00:31:34,060
Owner ran the mill and built these
homes for the people that work there.
527
00:31:34,061 --> 00:31:35,975
This being one of the homes.
528
00:31:35,976 --> 00:31:38,313
But I got to be honest with you.
529
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:42,381
I didn't come up with
anything, documentation-wise,
530
00:31:42,382 --> 00:31:47,063
that brings me any validation
to what you've seen here.
531
00:31:47,064 --> 00:31:49,499
So I talked with an historian.
532
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,624
Years ago, this was a...
533
00:31:51,625 --> 00:31:54,871
Large Native American area.
534
00:31:54,872 --> 00:31:56,077
Wow. Okay.
535
00:31:56,078 --> 00:32:00,561
So I wanted to know what the Native
Americans did with their dead.
536
00:32:00,562 --> 00:32:02,984
He mentioned that if there
were so many bodies
537
00:32:02,985 --> 00:32:05,101
that they couldn't do anything with them,
538
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:09,850
they would throw them into
the water, in the river.
539
00:32:09,851 --> 00:32:12,064
They're going down...
540
00:32:12,065 --> 00:32:15,125
Like, into the water.
541
00:32:15,523 --> 00:32:16,826
They're just going.
542
00:32:16,827 --> 00:32:20,136
People are coming up, walking.
543
00:32:20,137 --> 00:32:24,384
People... and then people are walking,
and they're going down into the Earth.
544
00:32:24,385 --> 00:32:26,753
I mean, obviously, I think
there's water there.
545
00:32:26,754 --> 00:32:28,991
Hmm. Like...
546
00:32:28,992 --> 00:32:31,691
No, it's like they're being sucked into it.
547
00:32:31,692 --> 00:32:34,610
- Like is there any kind of...
- Like... (Slurps)
548
00:32:34,611 --> 00:32:37,947
I didn't get a positive feeling off of it.
549
00:32:37,948 --> 00:32:42,063
I felt very concerned about
what the dead were doing,
550
00:32:42,064 --> 00:32:44,018
and why were they being
sucked into the ground?
551
00:32:44,019 --> 00:32:46,603
Why were they coming out a mess?
552
00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:49,197
So I think that possibly,
553
00:32:49,198 --> 00:32:54,298
the mass disposal of their
bodies in the creek...
554
00:32:55,212 --> 00:32:58,752
May have harmed their souls.
555
00:33:00,714 --> 00:33:03,524
On top of everything else, when...
556
00:33:03,525 --> 00:33:05,604
Settlers came here, they brought along,
557
00:33:05,605 --> 00:33:08,350
their new ways, and they
also brought along disease.
558
00:33:08,351 --> 00:33:09,726
- Smallpox...
- Okay.
559
00:33:09,727 --> 00:33:12,863
- The flu, stuff like that so...
- That's something else I got.
560
00:33:12,864 --> 00:33:15,578
- You caught that?
- Right.
561
00:33:15,579 --> 00:33:19,165
You know, there was people
laying down down here.
562
00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:22,056
And I don't know about that.
563
00:33:22,057 --> 00:33:24,277
How many?
564
00:33:24,475 --> 00:33:27,454
People, how many people were down here?
565
00:33:27,455 --> 00:33:29,112
Quite a few, yes.
566
00:33:29,113 --> 00:33:31,778
Quite a few stacked.
567
00:33:31,779 --> 00:33:33,120
Ewe.
568
00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:35,695
Ugh, I don't know what that's about.
569
00:33:35,696 --> 00:33:40,316
Eh, they're like in sacks and, uh, sheets.
570
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:45,328
So here's kind of the bad news.
571
00:33:45,329 --> 00:33:49,314
Um, there's quite a bit of activity here.
572
00:33:49,315 --> 00:33:53,755
Um, there's a lot of dead in the area.
573
00:33:55,650 --> 00:34:00,563
So this is the man that I encountered,
and he does look very strange.
574
00:34:00,564 --> 00:34:02,844
This is...
575
00:34:03,248 --> 00:34:07,628
How he looked when I initially met him.
576
00:34:08,795 --> 00:34:10,502
Oh, God.
577
00:34:10,503 --> 00:34:13,180
And then I wanted um...
578
00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:16,516
Them to do just his face.
579
00:34:16,517 --> 00:34:20,897
And that's kind of how his face looks.
580
00:34:22,111 --> 00:34:24,511
Oh, my God.
581
00:34:24,787 --> 00:34:26,378
So...
582
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:29,436
He's definitely a menacing...
583
00:34:29,437 --> 00:34:31,153
Person.
584
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:33,378
And he was looking for something.
585
00:34:33,379 --> 00:34:36,190
I don't know what it was, though.
586
00:34:36,191 --> 00:34:38,857
Well, it's interesting you
mentioned about all that,
587
00:34:38,858 --> 00:34:42,991
because back when we were talking about
these epidemics, when everybody was dying.
588
00:34:42,992 --> 00:34:46,167
They had these homes
called these Pest Houses.
589
00:34:46,168 --> 00:34:52,068
Now what a Pest House was was a location
where they brought all the sick.
590
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,531
Now I came across a photo of...
591
00:34:55,532 --> 00:35:00,088
It's a doctor that treated these people,
like in let's say a leper colony.
592
00:35:00,089 --> 00:35:01,816
They wouldn't want to
get too close to their
593
00:35:01,817 --> 00:35:05,062
patients because they were
afraid of contamination.
594
00:35:05,063 --> 00:35:08,303
This is what they wore.
595
00:35:09,671 --> 00:35:11,531
Wow.
596
00:35:13,474 --> 00:35:16,534
(Indistinct whispering)
597
00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:34,081
Now I came across a photo of...
598
00:35:34,082 --> 00:35:38,933
It's a doctor that treated these people,
like in let's say a leper colony.
599
00:35:38,934 --> 00:35:42,174
This is what they wore.
600
00:35:48,572 --> 00:35:51,092
That's weird.
601
00:35:58,295 --> 00:36:01,108
These bird masks worn by
these Pest House doctors
602
00:36:01,109 --> 00:36:03,247
were basically like Medieval gas masks.
603
00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:05,716
So they went and put these
long noses on these masks
604
00:36:05,717 --> 00:36:07,718
because they thought it
would stop the infected air
605
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,138
from getting into their systems.
606
00:36:09,139 --> 00:36:11,222
And they also wore clothes from head to toe
607
00:36:11,223 --> 00:36:15,091
so that their skin wouldn't be
exposed to the infected air.
608
00:36:15,092 --> 00:36:17,525
I mean, it looks bizarre, I don't know...
609
00:36:17,526 --> 00:36:21,665
He would poke them. And he was looking
for something inside of them.
610
00:36:21,666 --> 00:36:26,998
So he would make little cuts, and
he was looking for something.
611
00:36:26,999 --> 00:36:30,255
Now they did use a tool...
612
00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:32,510
In order to examine the
patients at that time,
613
00:36:32,511 --> 00:36:34,213
because they didn't want to get too close.
614
00:36:34,214 --> 00:36:37,652
- So they would prod at the bodies so...
- Oh.
615
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:39,594
I don't know if that all
plays into what you saw.
616
00:36:39,595 --> 00:36:41,755
My gosh.
617
00:36:42,439 --> 00:36:47,504
When I was over there, this man came
up, and he was trying to touch me.
618
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:50,220
He looks like a mortician.
619
00:36:50,221 --> 00:36:53,581
And there's this woman...
620
00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:56,110
Who he...
621
00:36:56,117 --> 00:36:58,713
Keeps prodding her...
622
00:36:58,714 --> 00:37:01,954
Poking her, cutting her.
623
00:37:03,105 --> 00:37:06,557
Oh, my gosh, this is so much to take in.
624
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,109
(John) Yeah.
625
00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:13,011
I feel like all this is from
some fiction book, or a movie.
626
00:37:13,012 --> 00:37:14,648
Well, do you believe us now?
627
00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:20,068
I tried to tell you something was
weird, but you didn't want to listen.
628
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:22,527
Is it gonna bother Salem?
629
00:37:22,528 --> 00:37:24,808
(Amy) Yes.
630
00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:28,363
When I spoke with Salem...
631
00:37:28,364 --> 00:37:31,827
And with her interest in death...
632
00:37:31,828 --> 00:37:34,696
And seeing the dead.
633
00:37:34,697 --> 00:37:35,949
Is that...
634
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:38,410
Wanting to...
635
00:37:38,696 --> 00:37:41,906
Have these experiences...
636
00:37:41,907 --> 00:37:44,916
You know that saying, be
careful what you wish for?
637
00:37:44,917 --> 00:37:48,229
And so the dead are going to stay.
638
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:51,174
And you want them here.
639
00:37:51,175 --> 00:37:55,369
And that want, whether it be
consciously or subconsciously,
640
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:58,070
keeps them here.
641
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,686
And I think...
642
00:38:03,687 --> 00:38:05,722
They...
643
00:38:05,723 --> 00:38:09,323
Want something bad to happen.
644
00:38:11,113 --> 00:38:13,405
Why do you say that they want
something bad to happen?
645
00:38:13,406 --> 00:38:16,697
Because the little girl just told me that.
646
00:38:16,698 --> 00:38:20,744
She doesn't like the people who live here.
647
00:38:20,745 --> 00:38:25,352
When I spoke with the little
dead girl, she indicated...
648
00:38:25,353 --> 00:38:29,365
That they were unhappy with the
situation, and the situation is...
649
00:38:29,366 --> 00:38:32,630
That they don't want you guys in the house.
650
00:38:32,631 --> 00:38:36,051
And that they're plotting.
651
00:38:37,664 --> 00:38:39,866
They want you out of the home,
652
00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:42,968
or they want things to
change so that the trapped,
653
00:38:42,969 --> 00:38:46,481
dead that are here can leave.
654
00:38:46,482 --> 00:38:47,989
Why are they trapped?
655
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:50,410
There's too many things.
656
00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,584
There's too many dolls. There's too much.
657
00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:56,918
Dolls were first created...
658
00:38:56,919 --> 00:38:59,335
Um, in order to house the dead.
659
00:38:59,336 --> 00:39:01,602
Or to be vessels for the dead.
660
00:39:01,603 --> 00:39:07,483
Um, because they're human-looking,
but they're empty inside.
661
00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:13,741
So one of the things that crossed
my mind was is it possible that,
662
00:39:13,742 --> 00:39:17,303
some of them have been
trapped inside the dolls?
663
00:39:17,304 --> 00:39:19,704
I hope not.
664
00:39:19,816 --> 00:39:24,146
So you're options are you can
clear out the dolls or...
665
00:39:24,147 --> 00:39:26,405
Yeah, you can move.
666
00:39:26,406 --> 00:39:31,746
But basically, this is just
gonna continue to happen.
667
00:39:37,737 --> 00:39:40,197
It is, uh...
668
00:39:40,741 --> 00:39:42,288
It's very scary.
669
00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:47,334
What you brought us tonight is
very scary, very scary indeed.
670
00:39:47,335 --> 00:39:50,581
- I feel horrible. I mean...
- Yeah.
671
00:39:50,582 --> 00:39:53,028
- This is not what I expected.
- No.
672
00:39:53,029 --> 00:39:57,285
I thought it was something you could
deal with or be taken care of or...
673
00:39:57,286 --> 00:40:01,186
- Yeah.
- I feel really terrible.
674
00:40:02,168 --> 00:40:04,862
- I love my dolls. That's part of my...
- Right.
675
00:40:04,863 --> 00:40:07,772
- 90% of my life has to do with dolls.
- Right.
676
00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:10,612
And now, you know, I'm
like what should I do?
677
00:40:10,613 --> 00:40:12,757
Should I, you know... should I move?
678
00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:15,892
Or should I get rid of the dolls, or...?
679
00:40:15,893 --> 00:40:18,390
- I don't know. I'm just very horrified.
- Well, that's...
680
00:40:18,391 --> 00:40:21,824
- And I really don't feel well right now.
- Mm hmm.
681
00:40:21,825 --> 00:40:25,798
And it makes me scared for Salem.
I don't want her frightened.
682
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:30,814
And I hate it that whoever they are
that they don't like my dolls.
683
00:40:30,815 --> 00:40:34,592
They don't want us in the house, but, you
know, I feel like it's my house now.
684
00:40:34,593 --> 00:40:37,989
- Right.
- And I don't like them going through it.
685
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:43,890
And I don't know if I want to
continue living here or not.
686
00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:48,708
Um, also, you have the fascination with...
687
00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:51,605
The death and the paranormal, which,
688
00:40:51,606 --> 00:40:55,438
you know, they will linger around for that.
689
00:40:55,439 --> 00:40:58,437
Well, so far, things aren't that bad.
690
00:40:58,438 --> 00:41:00,670
But will it get worse?
691
00:41:00,671 --> 00:41:02,831
Oh, yes.
692
00:41:09,016 --> 00:41:11,428
I'm horrified. I just...
693
00:41:11,429 --> 00:41:15,346
It's just scary. It's creepy,
and it's not what I expected.
694
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:17,575
You know, I'll never be comfortable again.
695
00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:18,617
Mm-hmm.
696
00:41:18,618 --> 00:41:20,760
There are ways to alleviate it.
697
00:41:20,761 --> 00:41:23,622
You can't stop it, but
you can alleviate it.
698
00:41:23,623 --> 00:41:25,250
There's ways to do that,
699
00:41:25,251 --> 00:41:29,527
one of them would be to remove as many
dolls from the house as possible.
700
00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:35,152
And then do a thorough cleaning and
cleansing of the house, top to bottom.
701
00:41:35,153 --> 00:41:37,596
And I can tell you how to do this.
702
00:41:37,597 --> 00:41:40,200
But you feel that you can
take that first step of
703
00:41:40,201 --> 00:41:43,987
trying to make room and
cleansing some of the dolls...
704
00:41:43,988 --> 00:41:45,977
- Yeah.
- And the house.
705
00:41:45,978 --> 00:41:48,693
I would like to until,
you know, it can be...
706
00:41:48,694 --> 00:41:51,395
- Okay for us to move.
- Right, right, exactly.
707
00:41:51,396 --> 00:41:54,166
So a lot of good may come out
of this in the long run.
708
00:41:54,167 --> 00:41:56,267
Mm-hmm.
709
00:41:56,271 --> 00:41:59,330
And you might have stopped something
before it got out of hand.
710
00:41:59,331 --> 00:42:01,431
Mm-hmm.
711
00:42:01,974 --> 00:42:07,050
(Amy) Having to tell a family that
their children could be in danger...
712
00:42:07,051 --> 00:42:10,575
Is probably the hardest part of my job.
713
00:42:10,576 --> 00:42:16,150
But if the dead want them out, it's
my responsibility to tell them.
714
00:42:16,151 --> 00:42:22,051
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