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I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger.

There was a face looking at us.

(Amy whispers) I really don't want to go down there.

I was absolutely spooked.

I just feel dead here.

There was a body in the basement.

Bludgeoned with a hammer. (Camera shutter clicks)

This is bad stuff.

Well, are you afraid of something happening to you?

Yeah.

Very, very angry.

(Whispers) This guy scares me.

My name is Amy Allan.

(Bell tolls)

There's something down there.

I see dead people.

He doesn't want me back there.

I speak to dead people...

She's pissed.

And they speak to me...

She doesn't like the people who live here.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

Someone did hang themselves here.

- Where? - There.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Dischiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective...

Did you want to kill him?

And I know every person, every house... has secrets.

She did die in this house.

It's my job to reveal them.

Would you be surprised if there were bodies in this basement?

No.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicated during an investigation...

Until the very end...

Not good.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Will it get worse?

Or time to get out.

- Oh, yes. - Whew.

(Indistinct whispering)

Steve will gather all of the facts while he's performing his investigation.

He interviews the witnesses.

He finds out the history.

Then we'll come together at the end.

And find out if there's anything that correlates.

I'm in Asbury Park, New Jersey.

This place was devastated by the economy and riddled with crime...

(Siren whoops)

But recently it's been making a comeback.

I'm down here to see a restaurant owner named Jeffrey.

Jeffrey owns a restaurant called "Plan B". He bought it a couple years back.

His, uh, staff is complaining about unexplained phenomenon.

They don't want to go in the kitchen, they don't want

to go in the basement, they don't want to work late.

So I'm gonna meet with him, uh, find out what's going on.

And try to find out what the history of the building is.

(Amy) Before I enter a location...

Matt has already cleared that location

of any information that may influence my walk.

(Police radio chatter)

(Amy) I'm, like, already starting to get physical sensations.

(Exhales deeply)

(Amy) En Route to the location, I start feeling physical pain.

Which is very unusual.

There was, like, two sharp blows.

First I felt in my jaw.

I don't know what that is.

(Inhales and exhales deeply)

Wherever I'm heading, I know that something very powerful is waiting for me.

When I encounter the dead, I am seeing them,

just like I'm interacting with a living person.

But I might be communicating with residual energy...

Or I might be communicating with dead people.

That's what I've always been trying to find out.

So one person's showing up.

I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger.

In where?

There's a male here.

Lots of anger here.

So angry.

(Sighs)

The problem, to him...

Is women.

Ooh.

A woman hater.

This guy scares me.

Jeffrey, how are ya? Steve Dischiavi.

Hi. Nice to meet you.

Uh, beautiful place.

- Thank you. Thank you. - Beautiful, yeah.

So you're having a little issue here at the restaurant?

Just some things have been happening here that I felt might...

Need some explaining.

This is pretty much where I spend my time during service.

Uh, it gives me good access to watching the front of the restaurant.

Watching the people at the tables, also watching the kitchen,

making sure the food is coming out right, and, um...

More than just a few times, I'll be standing here, and...

I hear my name being called.

Immediately I look around, because I feel like

it should be someone right next to me,

speaking to me, and there's nobody around.

Makes my hair stand up.

Now has anybody else that works with you,

had their name mentioned to them that... that have...

That I'm not sure.

You don't know?

(Steve) Guy thinks he's hearing his name called out.

In a busy restaurant, acoustic-wise, that's bound to happen.

It's not exactly proof that there's paranormal activity going on.

All right, is there anyplace else in the restaurant

you could show me they're having problems? Um, the basement's really pretty...

Uh, pretty frightening.

(Whispers) I really don't want to go down there.

Oh, man.

(Sighs)

I feel like vomiting.

(Sighs)

Like, everything in my body just, like, I don't...

Usually I'm fine.

(Creaks)

I don't know why this is bothering me.

Have you ever been so freaking scared that you throw up?

That's what I'm feeling right now.

Like you know. (Chuckles)

(Pants)

There's something down there.

Oh, my God.

(Steve) So what's going on?

The scariest thing for me down here was, um...

One afternoon a friend of mine and I were down here

trying to get some stuff together, and, um...

As we were walking down we were looking back towards this back wall here.

Um...

There was a face...

That looked like it was peering through the 2x4s, looking at us.

Can you describe the way it looked? Was it a man?

Yeah, it was definitely a gentleman. I mean, it was just for, uh, a flash.

Now did it look like it was an actual person, where you went

back there and said, "maybe somebody's in the basement?"

Yeah, I mean, we, you know, like, were kinda startled

and then walked back there, and there was nothing there.

- And your friend saw this also? - Yes, she did.

It was spooky. We kinda ran up the stairs pretty quick.

(Creaks)

Now you must be frightened coming down here, I mean, after I'd seen

something like that, I don't think I'd want to come down.

It's not a place I like to come.

(Man panting)

I guess we should go down, but I don't really want to go down there.

(Creaks)

(Amy) It was unusual to be at the top of the stairs and not just run down them.

Usually I just jump into situations

that others probably consider not very safe or smart.

But in this case, I really had to work through the fear

in order to go down into the basement.

(Bleep)

(Chuckles) (Sighs)

(Footsteps echoing)

(Clears throat)

Something did happen down here.

It's like a hole, and, um...

(Sighs)

This nasty thing is there.

Ooh. I don't like it. Not good.

(Indistinct whispering)

It's like a hole, and, um...

(Sighs)

This nasty thing is there.

Right in there.

(Amy) Every place has some kind of energy, whether it's positive or negative.

It's very rare to go into a location that has no energy at all.

I can only describe it as a void, and it's very, very scary.

(Clicks tongue)

(Chuckles)

This is bad stuff.

(Steve) I decided to interview some of Jeffrey's staff,

to see what was going on around here.

I started with his Head Chef Evan.

I'm investigating, uh,

some of the unusual activity that's happening in this restaurant.

Can you just give me a background of what happened

with you and what you might have seen or heard?

Well, actually a couple weeks ago, I was, uh, upstairs working with Benny.

And I turned around by the staircase, and I actually, uh,

saw a man walk by and around the corner.

And he was walking focused, and he kinda turned towards where the kitchen is

and then just looked like he went right downstairs, but that's where I lost him.

I saw something, you know? I, uh, it wasn't me imagining, it was definitely something.

(Steve) So now I have two witnesses that claim to have seen a male apparition.

Once you have corroborating witnesses like that,

you gotta take things a little bit more serious.

At the time, did you freak out, or it was...

I was absolutely spooked.

I actually stepped back and looked up to Benny at that point.

I was like, "Benny, did you see that?"

And he was like, "no," but you knew that he has probably seen something before,

the way he said that

and a few weeks later, I found out that Benny has been terrified of this basement.

Has been seeing and hearing things nonstop.

I just feel dead here, just dead energy.

(Creaking)

Like, dead people or absence of...

- (Amy) Absence. - Okay.

Oh...

Okay.

(Exhales deeply)

There's something, like, growling at me to my left.

(Exhales unsteadily)

There's something...

Laughing and growling and... (Clears throat)

And touching my arm.

(Clears throat)

(Sighs)

I'm not getting, like, a human, like, form with this thing.

This thing is, like...

Evil. (Chuckles)

Evan the Chef was sure Benny was hiding something.

So I need to speak with Benny to find out why he's so afraid of the basement.

How long have you been working here?

Like, two years.

Uh, can you explain to me what's been going on, as far as what's weird?

Uh, I don't really like to go downstairs to the basement.

Did something happen to you in the basement that made you feel that way?

Yeah.

When I go down there, I feel, um, like, weird, like somebody is downstairs...

(Creaking)

(Heartbeat pounding)

Somebody's on my back.

I feel, like, weird things, like, touch me.

Ow. It's hurting my arm.

(Sniffles)

(Sighs)

It's, like, this thing is...

Something that...

Really nasty...

Dark...

Darkness.

What is it?

Mm...

Well, um...

I guess that the closest thing that I could relate it to...

Would be...

A demon.

(Indistinct sounds)

I've only encountered these types of entities a handful of times.

And these things can be extremely dangerous.

It can move objects.

It can manipulate perception.

It can...

Strike fear.

I think this one really likes to scare people.

Are you afraid when you go down there?

Yeah.

Do you feel like you're in physical danger?

Yeah.

How many times has this happened to you?

- Every single day. - Every time you go downstairs?

Yeah.

There's this root of, like...

(Smacks lips)

Evil.

(Amy) I'm not sure where they come from.

I don't know if there's a hell or anything like that,

but what I do know is that they do exist, and they're very nasty.

(Steve) Jeffrey moved here only three years ago,

and he rented the building without checking into its history...

So I need to find out if anything went wrong in that place,

before he opened the restaurant.

(Clicks and whirs)

It takes me about 15 minutes to find out what happened.

Jeffrey is gonna wish he'd spent 15 minutes doing

a little more research before he opened his restaurant.

There was a murder that took place in this location,

a brutal murder about 14 years ago.

I'm still gonna need to speak to the people that know the most about the case.

I got some information about this homicide that happened in '97.

Uh, that was in an antique shop,

uh, but being a former Detective myself, I knew the best thing

to do was go to the detectives that, uh, worked the case.

So if either one of yous could just, start out and just tell me, you know,

when you got there, what you observed and what you saw.

We responded about 6 pm in the evening on...

Uh, April 29th, which was a Tuesday.

And, uh, there was a body in the basement of the building on Cookman Avenue.

Ray Johnson was 72 years old.

He was the owner and operator of...

"When I was a child" collectibles, which was the scene of the crime.

Uh, it was a pretty gruesome scene at the time.

Vile.

(Pants)

(Voice echoes) Yeah.

Something happened here.

Something with my... the right side of my face...

(Voice echoes) On my jaw.

Anything you can remember specifically about the body or, uh, the scene itself,

when you guys actually got into the scene?

We were informed by the Forensics team that the body was in the basement on the floor.

(Amy) There's, like, an anger...

And a...

Despair.

One is despair, and one is anger, and the anger is pounding on the despair.

These are people.

(Smacks)

"Smack you. I'll smack you".

Mr. Johnson's head was bludgeoned with a hammer.

(Camera shutter clicks)

(Pants)

Like, "I want to smash you down".

(Indistinct whispering)

This is our perp?

That is. That's, uh, Moses Farrow.

Uh, he was ultimately arrested and charged with the homicide of Ray.

Uh, what can you tell me about Moses, as far as, uh, his background? I, uh...

Moses was 20 years old at the time. Uh, he was homeless.

He was working for, uh, our victim?

He worked for Ray for about three or four days prior, uh, to the homicide.

In his statement to us.

He talks about Ray coming up behind him and grabbing his buttocks.

And he turns around and hits Ray once with the hammer.

Uh, Ray according to him, does not go down.

He's staggering but not down.

He hits him a second time, and Ray goes down to the ground.

And then he stands over him and hits him more in the head,

while he's down on the ground.

(Camera shutter clicks)

(Sighs)

( Inhales and exhales deeply)

(Amy) I just see, like, his energy is here.

It's very, very...

Solid energy, but...

It's not like I'm talking to...

Him.

He's not here.

The way that I encountered this male was as a residual energy.

At some point, something very violent happened here.

And a part of his personality still remains.

He was here once, and then he left, but he left this...

Stuff here.

It's just what remains of him.

His energy is here, but do you know if he is dead himself?

I don't think so.

He had a girlfriend that lived in Ocean Grove,

which is the next town over from Asbury Park.

Uh, we spoke with her.

She... she grabbed us and said, "he told me, he did it".

Ultimately he gets convicted, is that correct?

That's correct. He's doing 30 years currently at Trenton State Prison.

(Steve) The detectives were able to tell me what he did.

Now I gotta find somebody that was close to Moses to find out why he did it.

I spoke with the two detectives that, uh,

locked up Moses, and they gave me your name.

So at the time Moses was your boyfriend.

And he lived with you on and off, and they actually apprehended him in your apartment?

- Yes. - What I need for you to...

If you can, is tell me what you can remember from that time.

He showed up. I was on the phone with my girlfriend, and I was

washing dishes or something, and he said, "I killed my boss".

I really just didn't believe it was true.

I thought he was just being crazy, because, you know, who kills somebody

and then just goes and tells somebody that you killed somebody?

- So you weren't scared? - I was not scared of him.

I knew he wasn't gonna do anything to me. I was never afraid of him.

I do believe that there are events that can happen in life that can...

Destroy someone's psyche, to a point where they don't think rationally.

His thought processes are very...

Distorted and disturbed.

He doesn't perceive reality.

And he...

You know, he feels...

(Sighs)

(Inhales and exhales deeply)

I don't like him.

I do not like this person at all.

(Indistinct whispering)

(Inhales deeply)

I do not like this person at all.

Mnh-mnh. He was in jail.

There was time done there.

For what?

Robbery, burglary.

Where was he in prison?

(Sighs)

(Sighs) Um... not far.

Not far.

(Steve) I take a 30-minute ride to visit Moses at Trenton State Prison.

I've gotten about as much background information as I can about the case.

Now it's time to talk to the killer.

I've interviewed a lot of people, detectives, people you may know,

so why don't you just bring me to what brought you

to that point on Cookman Avenue?

I was working there.

One day I was in the basement pulling nails out of wood.

While I bent over to pull a nail out of the wood with the hammer,

and Raymond Johnson walked past me and grabbed my ass.

So I just hit him upside the head with the hammer.

Was that the first time that had happened, that he touched you?

Yeah.

You didn't hit him upside the head just once, and you know, and I know that.

Yeah. When it happened, I just turned around and hit him.

Did you want to kill him, or did you just...

Want to make a point by hitting him upside the head with a hammer?

Just make a point. Don't touch me.

You made your point nine or ten times, you know that, right?

The demon gets angry.

Very, very angry.

I think it influences...

It wreaks havoc.

(Matt) How does it wreak havoc?

Oh.

When you look at your record, this came out of nowhere, this... this murder.

It just... it... it... that... it's a little odd.

It wasn't planned.

Did you have thoughts of doing that to anybody,

or even him prior to that happening?

No.

You'd never done anything violent in the past before this incident with Raymond?

Mnh-mnh.

(Exhales deeply)

I don't know what brought me to that point.

(Steve) When Amy sees an identifiable figure.

She often brings in a sketch artist to put her findings down on paper.

(Amy) So the lips are fuller on the bottom, thinner on the top.

I just saw him pissed off.

Yeah. Yeah. Angry. Yeah. Mm.

His nose is, like...

Flat, kinda like a boxer's nose, like a punch smooshed it.

Okay.

How about his, uh, his eyes?

His eyes are, like, so dark brown, almost black.

Like, I'm feeling the anger now from him.

(Sighs)

Yeah, this is weird. (Chuckles)

Okay. I thought it would just be a normal thing.

I should've protected myself. I didn't... I had no idea.

(Scratching echoing)

He's right there.

He's wearing a yellow shirt now with, like, some stuff on it.

And he's yelling at me to shut the (Bleep) Up, (Bleep).

I kinda want to leave. (Chuckles)

Um, I'm just really nervous.

(Voice breaks) I don't like him.

(Sighs)

- Okay. - You all right?

(Indistinct whispering)

(Steve) Jeff's the reason we're here. He, uh, he owns the restaurant.

Uh, he's having some unexplained events happen...

- To him. Your staff... - Yes.

Um, and it's causing some disruption for work.

Me and Amy haven't talked since we started the investigation.

Amy came in, and she did a walk-through, and if it's okay with you,

I'd like to hear from her, tell us both what she saw that night.

- Sure. That would be great. Thank you. - Okay?

So when I came in and did the walk.

When I got to the back of the restaurant...

I encountered a male energy.

And this male is very aggressive, um, very angry.

Wow. I just felt, like...

(Whispering) A lot of anger.

(Sighs)

There's a lot of anger going on here.

We're talking about excessive amounts of rage and anger and hatred and just...

A very bad, person that dwells...

- Right. - In this.

And he was, like, stocky build.

He also had, with his nose,

um, which was probably the most distinct, um, feature...

Uh, it looked like he had been in a lot of fights.

Um, because it was, um, the bridge was basically smooshed in.

I got that he was in prison.

Um, there's robbery, burglary, and weapons there.

He...

Has done a lot of very bad things in his life.

Um, the other thing is, I think that this individual is still alive.

His energy is here.

He's not here.

(Matt) Do you know if he is dead himself?

(Sighs)

I don't think so.

So let me get this right.

You're getting energy from somebody that's still alive?

Potentially, yes.

- Potentially still alive. - Yes.

It's amazing to me, uh, your description of him, because during my research...

Uh, and investigation of the building itself and its background.

Um, about 14 years ago there was a male fitting that description.

That did work in this building.

Okay, so I'm gonna show you a photo of who I think it may be.

You take a look at it.

Go ahead.

And, Amy, what are you feeling when you see this photo?

(Clears throat)

I'm sick to my stomach. (Chuckles)

It's making me uncomfortable.

Okay. (Clears throat)

Now, uh, we brought in a sketch artist for Amy to sit with.

And she was able to describe who she saw the night you did the walk-through.

I have that with me. I haven't seen it yet...

- Okay. - And we'll...

Maybe we'll compare and see what we got.

- Wow. - All right.

It's... it's...

Uncanny how close it is.

Now, Amy, this picture here...

When you look at his face, does that bring you back to the night you did the walk?

(Whispers) This guy scares me. I don't like him.

That's, like...

- Okay. - That's...

Really frightening.

This is why I had that shocked look on my face when I pulled this out,

because I couldn't... I can't equate how she has...

A vision of somebody that's alive, that I just spoke to.

Oh, it's... it's... frightening.

It's him.

The look in his eyes, which I really tried hard to capture with the sketch...

That... that's the thing that's really bothering me. (Laughs)

- Yeah, I don't like this person at all. - You're making me...

- You're making me very nervous. - I'm sorry.

It's all right.

( Exhales deeply)

So who's this?

Well, let me just give you a little bit further of what I found out about...

- The history of the building. - Okay.

About 14 years ago this was an antique shop.

Uh, it was owned by a man named Raymond Johnson.

Okay.

He was about a 72 year old man.

He was viciously murdered in the basement of this building.

I have a photo of Raymond.

He was prominent in the gay community.

He was nice enough to bring this individual, Moses Farrow...

- Who was homeless. - Mm.

He brought him in, fed him, put him to work.

According to Moses, Raymond did a sexual advance towards him.

And he turned around with the hammer that he had in his hand.

And he just beat him in the head.

I mean, he beat him between 9 and 12 times with the hammer.

Oh, my God.

Wow. That's, like, making some sense to me.

In the basement...

I did feel there was two, uh, emotions that I encountered.

There was anger and despair.

Anger is pounding on the despair, and... (Sighs)

And I also had an extreme amount of pain.

Um, specifically the right jaw.

And then it... it went to the whole, um, right side of the head.

The pain was just so intense.

Something happened. Something with my... the right side of my face...

(Voice echoes) On my jaw.

And he was apprehended, did go to trial.

And he is incarcerated currently in Trenton State Prison,

maybe an hour from here.

I did get that he was in a prison nearby.

I'm still trying to wrap around how you get

visions of people that are actually still alive.

Uh, it... it's mind-boggling to me.

I guess for me, if I knew it was someone that wasn't still alive...

That I'd have an easier time dealing with it.

But someone who's still alive...

Makes me very uncomfortable.

Even though he's still alive...

Things can happen throughout our lives that are very traumatic.

And sometimes when those incidents happen,

they can disperse into the surroundings.

And so if we have a very traumatic experience,

or we are extremely angry like this person...

Right.

Um, you can leave traces of that in the environment.

Okay.

- I did speak with Moses' ex girlfriend. - Mm.

She's actually the one who helped the police track him down...

Really?

And she felt that, you know, uh, he was ready to snap, and this was it.

I do believe that there are events that can happen in life that can...

Destroy someone's psyche.

She feels that it just came to a head down in the basement here...

- Right. - That makes sense.

And that, when, uh, Mr. Johnson did the sexual advance...

That, well, he says that he did, that he just snapped...

Wow.

But he snapped to the tune of 9 to 12 shots to the head with the hammer.

That poses another question for me.

If his footprint is left here, am I realizing some of his anger?

Honestly, his footprint...

Is not particularly capable of interacting with anyone.

It's just a footprint.

Let me ask you a question.

Everybody's having, uh, a sensation of getting touched.

And a heavy feeling in the basement.

Mm-hmm. That makes sense.

Well, that's what I'm trying to find out I'm a little

confused with having an energy up here, and in the basement,

- is where they're feeling everything. - The residual...

Energy that he left behind is upstairs.

Right. What you have in the basement is something different.

(Indistinct whispering)

The residual energy that he left behind is upstairs.

What you have in the basement is something different.

I went back into the basement.

And all of sudden there was kind of this void.

I was stumped, because usually there's some type of energy everywhere...

- Right. - And this was just kind of...

Nothing.

It's like a hole, and, um...

(Sighs)

This nasty thing is there.

Right in there.

And I looked...

And I saw this little...

Dark mass.

The...

Being approached me.

And...

As it was approaching me, and then touching me.

I understood that, in fact, this thing was very old.

Um, was never human.

And, um, is very, very negative.

There's something... (Clears throat)

Touching my arm.

(Clears throat)

I'm not getting, like, a human, like, form with this thing.

This thing is...

Evil.

This thing has been here for hundreds of years.

- It... - How...

Can cause things to happen...

Bad luck, uh, emotional outbursts.

In the Catholic religion...

These types of things would be referred to as a demon.

They're extremely rare.

I've only encountered them in a handful of situations,

and I've done hundreds of investigations.

It's capable of manipulating an individual's thoughts and emotions.

It can take on any form that would unnerve someone.

Taking the opportunity to...

Latch on to a person who is ready to snap...

- Oh, my God. - And letting them go for it.

Whoa.

So whatever entity you're talking about might have caused our...

Yes.

Who was already an emotional wreck to begin with.

Correct. Yes.

Amy this has me really freaked out.

It's... seems, uh, a lot worse than... than I anticipated.

I've been hit pretty hard for the past five years.

And, um, this is...

This is, like, freaking me out.

Can this be affecting me inside these four walls...

And can it follow me outside these four walls?

Um, yes to both.

I want to tell you that there are, um, things that we can do.

You have options available.

One is, yes, you could move.

Um, the other one is that we could do something proactive

to get rid of this thing.

We are lucky enough that...

Out of the handful of beings that I've met like this.

This one is very young.

I would equate it to a baby.

Which means it's very easy to get rid of.

This thing right now is using negativity...

To feed and grow itself.

You don't have to give it that.

You have the power now to get rid of it.

So what do I do to try to...

I guess, annihilate this?

We will go through this together.

I will show you what needs to be done.

But you have to promise me that you will continue it here

- and at your home and... - No problem.

For the benefit of yourself and your employees.

No, I promise that I will do that, and, uh, I'd like to get it started

as soon as possible.

Okay.

(Creaking)

We have a doorway here.

So you're gonna want to just, in a circle.

Letting the smoke purify the area.

All negativity must leave this place.

No negativity may remain in this place.

Only love, light, and peace may enter.

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