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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,484 --> 00:00:04,021 Space, the final frontier. 2 00:00:04,053 --> 00:00:07,591 Science fiction is basically saying 3 00:00:07,623 --> 00:00:09,993 there are no limits. 4 00:00:10,027 --> 00:00:12,763 -Space is anything we want it to be. -Yes! 5 00:00:12,795 --> 00:00:15,732 The scale of the universe is unbelievably stunning. 6 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:18,969 We are asking those big questions, 7 00:00:19,001 --> 00:00:21,004 like "Where are we going?" 8 00:00:21,037 --> 00:00:24,107 and "What does it say about us as humans?" 9 00:00:24,141 --> 00:00:26,177 Think it answers something elemental 10 00:00:26,209 --> 00:00:29,045 in human beings, which is, "We love danger." 11 00:00:30,846 --> 00:00:32,782 Space travel sounds rather perilous. 12 00:00:32,815 --> 00:00:36,187 They will never get me onto one of those dreadful starships. 13 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:38,556 Science fiction inspired the rocketeers 14 00:00:38,589 --> 00:00:40,757 who brought us to the moon. 15 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:42,592 And that's just the beginning. 16 00:00:43,827 --> 00:00:45,095 Science fiction holds out hope 17 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:48,766 for even more incredible discoveries. 18 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:51,769 I think we're curious in our bones 19 00:00:51,802 --> 00:00:53,804 about going into the galaxy. 20 00:00:53,836 --> 00:00:55,839 What has the galaxy ever done for you? 21 00:00:55,872 --> 00:00:57,208 Why would you wanna save it? 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,543 Because I'm one of the idiots who lives in it! 23 00:00:59,576 --> 00:01:03,013 Humanity is hardwired to explore 24 00:01:03,046 --> 00:01:04,882 and to exploit. 25 00:01:04,915 --> 00:01:07,050 We are citizens of the universe. 26 00:01:08,085 --> 00:01:09,720 We belong there, too. 27 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:16,594 I hate space. 28 00:01:51,528 --> 00:01:52,830 I've been thinking about this idea 29 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:54,964 that space is anything we want it to be. 30 00:01:54,998 --> 00:01:56,900 It's the great unknown, and we can project 31 00:01:56,933 --> 00:01:59,570 our fantasies and our ideas, our sociology, 32 00:01:59,603 --> 00:02:01,638 and, you know, we can use it just as an excuse 33 00:02:01,672 --> 00:02:03,674 to get to a completely different culture, 34 00:02:03,707 --> 00:02:05,275 or we can take it at face-value 35 00:02:05,309 --> 00:02:08,512 as a problem we need to solve. Yeah. 36 00:02:08,544 --> 00:02:10,047 And I sorta think about science f... 37 00:02:10,079 --> 00:02:12,516 Space science-fiction as, you know, on the one hand, 38 00:02:12,548 --> 00:02:15,752 you got the hard-tech stuff, like "2001," 39 00:02:15,786 --> 00:02:17,854 and then, at the other end of the spectrum, 40 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:20,256 it's more space as a kind of 41 00:02:20,290 --> 00:02:23,192 complete unfettering of the imagination. 42 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:25,763 You got... You got two things. 43 00:02:25,796 --> 00:02:29,098 No matter how you do it, whether it's "2001" 44 00:02:29,131 --> 00:02:31,135 or "Star Wars," they're adventures. 45 00:02:31,167 --> 00:02:35,705 The... The... The big bogeyman is the unknown. 46 00:02:35,738 --> 00:02:37,840 Right. Because the thing about humans... 47 00:02:37,874 --> 00:02:38,942 It's always been with us... 48 00:02:38,975 --> 00:02:40,811 Is we have an imagination. 49 00:02:40,844 --> 00:02:43,746 The night sky has always been the great mystery. 50 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:46,050 One, it's terrifying because you walk out in it 51 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:48,118 and you get eaten. 52 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:49,686 And the other part is that there's... 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,588 There's things up there. 54 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:53,623 I mean, the stars, the planets. Yeah. 55 00:02:53,656 --> 00:02:55,792 And the things have to mean something. 56 00:02:55,826 --> 00:02:57,995 So this is a primal attraction, is what you're saying. 57 00:02:58,028 --> 00:03:00,930 Yes. And man has curiosity. 58 00:03:00,964 --> 00:03:04,001 Curiosity and imagination bring you things like stories. 59 00:03:04,034 --> 00:03:05,835 So you're saying it's a mystical connection. 60 00:03:05,869 --> 00:03:07,937 -Yep, yep. -But there's a mystical connection with the sky 61 00:03:07,971 --> 00:03:09,940 and with stars and all things, 62 00:03:09,972 --> 00:03:11,708 so they relate directly to us. 63 00:03:11,742 --> 00:03:13,344 Isn't that what we try to do with our movies? 64 00:03:13,376 --> 00:03:15,812 -Yeah. -Take... Capture a little bit of that awe 65 00:03:15,846 --> 00:03:17,648 and bring it into a movie theater 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,084 and... and feel what it might be like to go out there? 67 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:28,591 Houston, I have a bad feeling about this mission. 68 00:03:28,625 --> 00:03:30,227 What Alfonso Cuar�n does with the camera 69 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:32,328 at the very beginning of "Gravity" 70 00:03:32,362 --> 00:03:36,132 is you have this extended single-camera shot 71 00:03:36,166 --> 00:03:38,102 where you watch both George Clooney 72 00:03:38,135 --> 00:03:40,703 and Sandra Bullock float around space, 73 00:03:40,737 --> 00:03:43,973 and you have these images of how small a human 74 00:03:44,006 --> 00:03:47,343 can be in front of the entire planet, 75 00:03:47,376 --> 00:03:48,711 and then the camera will spin around 76 00:03:48,744 --> 00:03:50,046 and you'll see how small a human 77 00:03:50,079 --> 00:03:53,383 is in front of the vastness of the universe. 78 00:03:53,417 --> 00:03:57,054 Can't beat the view. 79 00:03:57,086 --> 00:04:01,257 That movie really brought people to space. 80 00:04:01,291 --> 00:04:05,262 It showed them not only what the view looked like, 81 00:04:05,294 --> 00:04:09,166 but also what it felt like to have the view, 82 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,936 and that was so important to me to be able to share 83 00:04:12,969 --> 00:04:16,005 because the view is unimaginable. 84 00:04:16,038 --> 00:04:20,010 It was so clean and pristine, it almost hurt your eyes 85 00:04:20,043 --> 00:04:22,012 because the edges are so sharp, 86 00:04:22,045 --> 00:04:25,015 and it's giant. 87 00:04:25,048 --> 00:04:28,285 So, what do you like about being up here? 88 00:04:28,317 --> 00:04:31,954 The silence. 89 00:04:31,988 --> 00:04:33,857 When I was living up on the space station, 90 00:04:33,889 --> 00:04:38,294 my little brother met Sandra Bullock's brother-in-law. 91 00:04:38,327 --> 00:04:40,096 He said, "Well, you know, my sister-in-law's 92 00:04:40,130 --> 00:04:43,166 making this movie. Maybe your sister would talk to her." 93 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,902 And my little brother said, "She's been up there 94 00:04:45,935 --> 00:04:47,937 for a couple of months with five guys, 95 00:04:47,971 --> 00:04:50,406 and I think she'd love to talk to Sandra Bullock." 96 00:04:51,875 --> 00:04:53,810 How feeling? 97 00:04:53,844 --> 00:04:56,046 Like a Chihuahua that's being tumble-dried. 98 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:58,014 Some of the things that she wanted to know 99 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:01,018 were what's it like for me when I wake up in the morning, 100 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:04,755 what's a hard thing, what's an easy thing, 101 00:05:04,788 --> 00:05:09,460 so that she understands how she can make space look real. 102 00:05:11,827 --> 00:05:14,464 Sandra, I thought, looked purposeful 103 00:05:14,498 --> 00:05:17,034 and not like a newbie. 104 00:05:17,067 --> 00:05:19,403 Space travel has been a science-fiction theme 105 00:05:19,435 --> 00:05:21,471 for a long, long, long time. 106 00:05:21,505 --> 00:05:23,440 It is really fantastic the lengths 107 00:05:23,473 --> 00:05:25,876 that the early science-fiction writers went to 108 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:29,947 to get a space craft from the Earth even to the moon. 109 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:33,083 George M�li�s was originally a stage magician 110 00:05:33,115 --> 00:05:34,918 who got enamored 111 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:38,354 with the brand-new art form of cinematography. 112 00:05:38,387 --> 00:05:41,224 And not only, did he invent the science-fiction movie, 113 00:05:41,257 --> 00:05:43,793 he essentially invented movie special effects. 114 00:05:43,827 --> 00:05:47,096 And it was really based on the two giants 115 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:48,865 of science fiction at the time... 116 00:05:48,899 --> 00:05:51,168 H.G. Wells and Jules Verne. 117 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,237 Jules Verne provided the plot and story 118 00:05:54,271 --> 00:05:55,806 for the first half of the movie 119 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,841 with his "From the Earth to the Moon." 120 00:05:57,873 --> 00:06:00,042 The second half was based on H.G. Wells' 121 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:01,945 "The First Men in the Moon." 122 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,451 Early depictions of space travel show characters 123 00:06:07,483 --> 00:06:10,120 just moving about freely, opening up the door, 124 00:06:10,152 --> 00:06:12,388 and walking out into space with no trouble. 125 00:06:17,060 --> 00:06:20,230 But within a couple decades, things change pretty quickly 126 00:06:20,262 --> 00:06:24,101 in cinematic depictions of, outer space and space travel, 127 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:25,869 so, as early as the 1920s, 128 00:06:25,901 --> 00:06:28,070 you have films like "Woman in the Moon" 129 00:06:28,103 --> 00:06:30,007 by Fritz Lang, 130 00:06:30,039 --> 00:06:32,409 where characters are strapped into their seats, 131 00:06:32,442 --> 00:06:33,877 and as the ship is taking off, 132 00:06:33,909 --> 00:06:35,011 they can feel the pressure 133 00:06:35,045 --> 00:06:36,812 of the g-force on their chests, 134 00:06:36,846 --> 00:06:39,949 struggling to breathe as they lift off. 135 00:06:39,983 --> 00:06:41,485 And then you've got writers that worked 136 00:06:41,517 --> 00:06:43,219 for John W. Campbell Jr. 137 00:06:43,252 --> 00:06:45,788 When he began editing "Astounding Science Fiction," 138 00:06:45,822 --> 00:06:49,259 who were held to a standard of scientific verisimilitude, 139 00:06:49,291 --> 00:06:51,460 and that's when you start getting realistic, 140 00:06:51,493 --> 00:06:53,329 believable space adventures. 141 00:06:53,363 --> 00:06:55,933 No time for count-off! Stand by. 142 00:06:55,966 --> 00:06:56,934 Fire! 143 00:07:00,036 --> 00:07:01,471 Tell us about this trip to the moon. 144 00:07:01,503 --> 00:07:03,906 Do you... Do you think this is possible? 145 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:05,942 Yes. Yes. It's quite possible. 146 00:07:05,976 --> 00:07:07,276 -We're here, aren't we? -Yeah. 147 00:07:07,310 --> 00:07:09,179 Not only are we here, but, 148 00:07:09,211 --> 00:07:10,380 it can be done. 149 00:07:10,413 --> 00:07:12,215 It can be done as soon as anyone 150 00:07:12,248 --> 00:07:14,384 is willing to foot the bill to do it. 151 00:07:14,416 --> 00:07:17,119 Robert Heinlein was the guru of hard science-fiction, 152 00:07:17,152 --> 00:07:19,922 but I think, before that and beyond that, 153 00:07:19,956 --> 00:07:22,259 he was the guru of logical science-fiction. 154 00:07:22,291 --> 00:07:23,960 Heinlein asked the question... 155 00:07:23,993 --> 00:07:26,329 Which is the classic hard science-fiction question... 156 00:07:26,363 --> 00:07:28,832 How do you do it? How do you solve that problem? 157 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:31,901 Even today, that's a key theme in science fiction. 158 00:07:31,935 --> 00:07:33,502 The pre-chain reaction is out of control. 159 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:35,372 We're rapidly expanding. 160 00:07:35,404 --> 00:07:38,541 Multiple satellites are down and they keep on falling. 161 00:07:38,574 --> 00:07:41,945 The Cuar�ns wanted to recreate the good, the bad, 162 00:07:41,978 --> 00:07:43,480 and the ugly of space travel. 163 00:07:43,512 --> 00:07:45,014 Look, we need to get the hell out of here. 164 00:07:45,048 --> 00:07:46,283 -All right. -You need some help there, Matt? 165 00:07:46,315 --> 00:07:47,583 -No, don't wait for us. -It's stuck! 166 00:07:47,616 --> 00:07:48,986 One of the things I discussed 167 00:07:49,019 --> 00:07:50,988 with the Cuar�ns was the Kessler syndrome 168 00:07:51,021 --> 00:07:53,223 and the notion that a destroyed satellite 169 00:07:53,255 --> 00:07:55,191 can lead to debris, which destroys more satellites 170 00:07:55,224 --> 00:07:57,094 and more debris. 171 00:07:57,127 --> 00:07:59,963 Space debris is a real concern for any spacecraft 172 00:07:59,995 --> 00:08:02,198 that has to travel through low Earth orbit today. 173 00:08:02,231 --> 00:08:04,467 Explore. 174 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,304 At the speeds debris can travel, a small object like a bolt 175 00:08:08,337 --> 00:08:10,106 can hit you with the kinetic energy 176 00:08:10,139 --> 00:08:11,308 of a howitzer round. 177 00:08:14,644 --> 00:08:17,581 The film "Gravity" is visually compelling 178 00:08:17,613 --> 00:08:21,385 because it really sets up the unforgiving dynamic, 179 00:08:21,418 --> 00:08:25,389 how just the smallest step in the wrong direction 180 00:08:25,422 --> 00:08:30,226 is going to send the entire series of events tumbling. 181 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:32,229 And it only takes that much. 182 00:08:32,261 --> 00:08:33,663 No! 183 00:08:33,697 --> 00:08:35,499 The only really big mistake they made 184 00:08:35,532 --> 00:08:39,036 in that movie is that, if you were up on a space station, 185 00:08:39,068 --> 00:08:41,471 the last thing you'd do is let George Clooney go. 186 00:08:45,094 --> 00:08:47,162 There's a lot of secrets in the universe. 187 00:08:47,196 --> 00:08:48,630 We don't know anything. 188 00:08:48,663 --> 00:08:49,965 That's the one thing I do know for sure. 189 00:08:49,999 --> 00:08:52,935 But we've gotta get out of our solar system. 190 00:08:52,968 --> 00:08:55,038 We've gotta get to another solar system. 191 00:08:55,071 --> 00:08:57,139 Yeah, but Einstein says you can't travel 192 00:08:57,172 --> 00:08:58,640 faster than the speed of light. 193 00:08:58,673 --> 00:09:02,210 Science fiction is basically saying 194 00:09:02,244 --> 00:09:03,779 there are no limits. 195 00:09:03,812 --> 00:09:05,247 -That's right. -Think outside the box. 196 00:09:05,281 --> 00:09:06,649 -No matter what somebody tells you... -Right. 197 00:09:06,681 --> 00:09:07,783 No matter what you've learned, 198 00:09:07,816 --> 00:09:08,951 throw all that away and say, 199 00:09:08,984 --> 00:09:10,820 "I can do anything I wanna do. 200 00:09:10,853 --> 00:09:12,789 You're in a completely different universe." 201 00:09:12,821 --> 00:09:15,325 Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dustin' crops, boy. 202 00:09:15,358 --> 00:09:16,792 We sometimes forget that space 203 00:09:16,826 --> 00:09:19,662 is cosmologically big. 204 00:09:19,695 --> 00:09:21,664 Traveling to the rest of the universe would take 205 00:09:21,696 --> 00:09:24,801 tens, thousands of years with current technology. 206 00:09:24,834 --> 00:09:26,135 The reason we measure them in light-years 207 00:09:26,167 --> 00:09:28,638 is because it takes that long 208 00:09:28,671 --> 00:09:31,941 for the speed of light to travel that distance. 209 00:09:31,974 --> 00:09:35,578 Faster-than-light travel is the holy grail of space travel. 210 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:38,580 And right now, it's the "baloneum" that we... 211 00:09:38,614 --> 00:09:42,652 Baloneum is that stuff you make up to make the story work 212 00:09:42,685 --> 00:09:44,354 and it's different from "handwaveum," 213 00:09:44,387 --> 00:09:46,155 which is how you distract 214 00:09:46,187 --> 00:09:48,090 the reader or the viewer, 215 00:09:48,124 --> 00:09:50,093 but... and it's not "unobtainium." 216 00:09:50,125 --> 00:09:53,228 That's a diff... But baloneum is that stuff. 217 00:09:53,262 --> 00:09:54,830 If we had the right baloneum, 218 00:09:54,864 --> 00:09:57,667 we could make faster-than-light travel work. 219 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:00,703 So, here is a perfect limitation for an artist. 220 00:10:00,735 --> 00:10:02,705 You can't go faster than light speed. 221 00:10:02,738 --> 00:10:05,874 How are we gonna get around it to explore the universe? 222 00:10:05,907 --> 00:10:07,276 Science-fiction writers said, 223 00:10:07,308 --> 00:10:09,344 "Okay, well, we have to create a speed 224 00:10:09,378 --> 00:10:11,214 faster than light speed." 225 00:10:11,247 --> 00:10:14,250 Are you ready to say goodbye to our solar system? 226 00:10:14,282 --> 00:10:16,652 Execute jump. 227 00:10:16,685 --> 00:10:18,855 I'm not sure what's wrong here. 228 00:10:18,888 --> 00:10:20,189 Is the parking brake on? 229 00:10:21,322 --> 00:10:23,058 Compressor. 230 00:10:34,135 --> 00:10:36,271 What a rush. 231 00:10:36,305 --> 00:10:38,274 And with that rush, science fiction 232 00:10:38,306 --> 00:10:40,276 launches an age of exploration. 233 00:10:40,308 --> 00:10:43,678 We're down to 0.3896th of light speed. 234 00:10:43,711 --> 00:10:45,814 "Forbidden Planet" is one of those rare, 235 00:10:45,848 --> 00:10:47,417 big-budget science-fiction movies 236 00:10:47,450 --> 00:10:49,018 from a time when most science-fiction movies 237 00:10:49,051 --> 00:10:50,353 looked pretty cheesy. 238 00:10:50,385 --> 00:10:53,155 It's very easy to see many of the things 239 00:10:53,188 --> 00:10:54,823 that later science fiction, 240 00:10:54,856 --> 00:10:57,292 specifically "Star Trek," if not directly took from, 241 00:10:57,326 --> 00:10:59,961 was certainly inspired by. 242 00:10:59,994 --> 00:11:01,263 The ship on "Forbidden Planet"... 243 00:11:01,297 --> 00:11:03,298 It almost looks like the saucer section 244 00:11:03,331 --> 00:11:05,201 of the Enterprise without the rest of it. 245 00:11:05,234 --> 00:11:07,335 These discs that they stand on... 246 00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:09,739 It looks just like the transporter. 247 00:11:09,772 --> 00:11:12,340 It definitely looks like the designers of "Star Trek" 248 00:11:12,374 --> 00:11:13,909 looked at this and said, 249 00:11:13,942 --> 00:11:16,044 "Boy, this is a beautiful-looking movie." 250 00:11:16,077 --> 00:11:17,913 "Forbidden Planet" is definitely less diverse, 251 00:11:17,946 --> 00:11:19,948 which makes "Star Trek" special. 252 00:11:21,182 --> 00:11:24,319 Space, the final frontier. 253 00:11:24,353 --> 00:11:27,356 The importance of "Star Trek" is that it brought space 254 00:11:27,388 --> 00:11:29,124 into the living rooms of Americans 255 00:11:29,157 --> 00:11:30,927 and people really across the globe. 256 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,061 It made space accessible. 257 00:11:36,197 --> 00:11:38,768 "Star Trek" was a classic, humanistic vision 258 00:11:38,801 --> 00:11:42,171 of a kind of utopian future that you l-live and let live. 259 00:11:42,204 --> 00:11:43,239 These are the voyages 260 00:11:43,272 --> 00:11:45,741 of the starship Enterprise. 261 00:11:45,773 --> 00:11:47,409 Gene Roddenberry said he wanted 262 00:11:47,442 --> 00:11:50,779 to do an all-inclusive series in space 263 00:11:50,812 --> 00:11:54,350 with all the ideas that could more easily be done 264 00:11:54,383 --> 00:11:57,420 in science fiction in the '60s than in realistic fiction. 265 00:11:57,452 --> 00:12:01,156 To boldly go where no man has gone before. 266 00:12:01,190 --> 00:12:03,359 So, you could deal with controversial issues, 267 00:12:03,392 --> 00:12:05,962 but they weren't controversial because they're distanced. 268 00:12:05,994 --> 00:12:08,330 They're not us. That's not our own society. 269 00:12:08,364 --> 00:12:11,934 We did wanna get into racial issues, sexist issues, 270 00:12:11,966 --> 00:12:13,401 that were going on at the time. 271 00:12:13,435 --> 00:12:17,773 And I think it opened a door into an alien world 272 00:12:17,806 --> 00:12:20,042 that people could say, "Yeah, I get that." 273 00:12:20,075 --> 00:12:21,444 It offered lots of story opportunities 274 00:12:21,476 --> 00:12:24,012 to tell stories about 275 00:12:24,046 --> 00:12:25,414 things going on right here on Earth. 276 00:12:26,514 --> 00:12:28,884 This is no game, Captain. 277 00:12:28,917 --> 00:12:31,186 Half a million people have just been killed. 278 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:34,290 There's an episode called "A Taste of Armageddon" 279 00:12:34,322 --> 00:12:37,025 about these two planets that have... 280 00:12:37,058 --> 00:12:39,060 That are conducting a virtual war. 281 00:12:39,094 --> 00:12:41,063 Computers, captain. 282 00:12:41,095 --> 00:12:43,398 They fight their war with computers, totally. 283 00:12:43,431 --> 00:12:46,536 Computers don't kill a half-million people. 284 00:12:46,569 --> 00:12:48,004 Deaths have been registered. 285 00:12:48,037 --> 00:12:50,105 Of course, they have 24 hours to report. 286 00:12:50,138 --> 00:12:51,273 To report? 287 00:12:51,306 --> 00:12:53,008 To our disintegration machines. 288 00:12:53,042 --> 00:12:54,810 At the very end of it, Kirk says... 289 00:12:54,843 --> 00:12:56,245 We're human beings 290 00:12:56,278 --> 00:12:58,980 with the blood of a million savage years 291 00:12:59,013 --> 00:13:01,216 on our hands. 292 00:13:01,249 --> 00:13:03,418 But we can stop it. 293 00:13:03,451 --> 00:13:05,855 We can admit that we're killers, 294 00:13:05,888 --> 00:13:07,189 but we're not going to kill today. 295 00:13:07,221 --> 00:13:09,090 So all of these different stories, 296 00:13:09,124 --> 00:13:12,327 they all had a social message buried in them. 297 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,828 Gene knew what he was doing, 298 00:13:13,861 --> 00:13:15,397 the writers knew what they were doing. 299 00:13:15,431 --> 00:13:16,799 It's up to you. 300 00:13:16,831 --> 00:13:18,100 "Star Trek" was a way of saying, 301 00:13:18,133 --> 00:13:19,969 "Look, we can do better. 302 00:13:20,002 --> 00:13:21,337 Things, the way they are, 303 00:13:21,369 --> 00:13:23,438 it's not necessarily the way they have to be." 304 00:13:23,471 --> 00:13:25,240 What about the cast of the show? 305 00:13:25,273 --> 00:13:28,410 I'm told that NBC only wanted white males on the bridge. 306 00:13:28,444 --> 00:13:30,012 No women, no blacks. 307 00:13:30,045 --> 00:13:32,515 When I brought in a mixed-racial crew, 308 00:13:32,547 --> 00:13:34,450 both the network and Desilu Studios, 309 00:13:34,483 --> 00:13:36,986 which had it at that time, came in, saying, 310 00:13:37,018 --> 00:13:38,220 "What are you doing?! 311 00:13:38,253 --> 00:13:40,056 You're going to ruin us!" 312 00:13:40,089 --> 00:13:42,992 I can tell you what happened to me the first time 313 00:13:43,024 --> 00:13:45,595 I saw "Star Trek." Really, before "Star Trek," 314 00:13:45,628 --> 00:13:49,065 there were no people of color in the future. 315 00:13:49,098 --> 00:13:51,867 We didn't really exist at all anywhere, 316 00:13:51,899 --> 00:13:55,937 and Gene Roddenberry created this group 317 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:58,106 where this beautiful black woman, 318 00:13:58,139 --> 00:14:01,876 not a mammy, was head of communications. 319 00:14:01,909 --> 00:14:04,145 Captain, I'm picking up a sub-space distress call, 320 00:14:04,178 --> 00:14:07,315 priority channel. It's from Space Station K7. 321 00:14:07,349 --> 00:14:09,619 So to see her in that position, for me, 322 00:14:09,652 --> 00:14:11,220 was, like, extraordinary. 323 00:14:11,253 --> 00:14:13,556 And it's why I went to Gene 324 00:14:13,589 --> 00:14:17,593 The Next Generation," 325 00:14:17,625 --> 00:14:21,930 was because of what Nichelle Nichols showed me, 326 00:14:21,964 --> 00:14:24,566 which was that I had a future in the world. 327 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,335 What about you? Do you speak Romulan, cadet? 328 00:14:27,369 --> 00:14:30,639 Uhura. All three dialects, sir. 329 00:14:30,672 --> 00:14:32,340 The day that I met Nichelle Nichols, 330 00:14:32,374 --> 00:14:33,542 I was very nervous 331 00:14:33,575 --> 00:14:36,145 because that was a first time for me 332 00:14:36,177 --> 00:14:38,446 to step into someone else's shoes. 333 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,449 And she suspended any kind of judgment. 334 00:14:40,481 --> 00:14:42,884 If anything, she handed me that torch 335 00:14:42,917 --> 00:14:44,253 and she said, "Run with it." 336 00:14:44,286 --> 00:14:45,554 The jamming signal's gone. 337 00:14:45,586 --> 00:14:48,023 Transport abilities are reestablished. 338 00:14:50,526 --> 00:14:52,294 The main attribute that "Star Trek" 339 00:14:52,326 --> 00:14:55,096 gives people is hope. 340 00:14:55,129 --> 00:14:58,466 May we together become greater than the sum of both of us. 341 00:14:58,499 --> 00:15:00,936 What I took from the original series 342 00:15:00,969 --> 00:15:04,407 was the love humanity is able to have, 343 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,443 even if it's set in a time that they may never recognize, 344 00:15:07,475 --> 00:15:12,181 they may never meet, the strive for that is tangible. 345 00:15:12,214 --> 00:15:14,684 Live long and prosper, Spock. 346 00:15:14,716 --> 00:15:17,285 Live long and prosper. 347 00:15:17,319 --> 00:15:19,188 The cultural importance of the "Star Trek" franchise 348 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:20,690 can't be underestimated. 349 00:15:20,723 --> 00:15:24,527 We've had, to date, seven different series, 13 films, 350 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,065 and hundreds of novelizations, comic books, board games, 351 00:15:29,098 --> 00:15:32,435 video games, costumes. 352 00:15:32,468 --> 00:15:35,037 Fans love "Star Trek" because it does suggest 353 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:36,672 that there will be opportunities for us 354 00:15:36,705 --> 00:15:39,709 to meet each other in space and to learn from each other. 355 00:15:39,741 --> 00:15:41,976 The most powerful message, to me, of "Star Trek" 356 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:45,580 was just the idea that, by stepping out into the universe, 357 00:15:45,614 --> 00:15:47,950 we put our old problems behind us 358 00:15:47,983 --> 00:15:50,518 and we become better people through cooperation 359 00:15:50,552 --> 00:15:53,122 and, you know, believing in a certain set of values. 360 00:15:54,455 --> 00:15:56,024 It's a very romantic notion, 361 00:15:56,057 --> 00:15:57,426 it's a very idealistic notion, 362 00:15:57,459 --> 00:15:59,328 but that's a universe I wanna go live in. 363 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,850 I wanna go get on a starship, 364 00:16:00,869 --> 00:16:02,705 I wanna be part of the Federation. 365 00:16:05,672 --> 00:16:07,941 "2001," as far as I'm concerned, 366 00:16:07,974 --> 00:16:09,810 is the best science-fiction film ever made. 367 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:13,281 It is the quintessential what space travel is. 368 00:16:13,314 --> 00:16:15,183 Yeah. And it looks great. 369 00:16:15,215 --> 00:16:17,051 You know, it's... it's... It's... it's just... 370 00:16:17,084 --> 00:16:18,853 It's impeccable the way they put it together. 371 00:16:18,886 --> 00:16:22,924 The discovery coming overhead endlessly is basically... 372 00:16:22,956 --> 00:16:24,591 Right. The precursor 373 00:16:24,624 --> 00:16:26,326 of the... of the opening shot of "Star Wars." 374 00:16:26,359 --> 00:16:29,229 Right. It stunned everybody, myself included. 375 00:16:29,262 --> 00:16:33,767 Probably "2001" had more of an influence on me than I realize. 376 00:16:33,801 --> 00:16:35,103 But at the same time, 377 00:16:35,136 --> 00:16:37,238 I was completely stoked by that movie. 378 00:16:37,271 --> 00:16:40,241 It's brilliant. 379 00:16:40,273 --> 00:16:46,913 I think "2001" opened up films to be a much broader 380 00:16:46,946 --> 00:16:48,782 and interesting canvas, 381 00:16:48,815 --> 00:16:51,319 in terms of what space travel might be like, 382 00:16:51,352 --> 00:16:54,188 than anything that had been shown before. 383 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:56,690 Everything was believable, even though we'd have 384 00:16:56,723 --> 00:16:59,993 our jaws on our laps in amazement, 385 00:17:00,027 --> 00:17:04,998 but everything always had a reality to it. 386 00:17:05,031 --> 00:17:07,067 That's absolutely the most 387 00:17:07,101 --> 00:17:09,404 meticulously accurate science-fiction 388 00:17:09,437 --> 00:17:11,738 movie between Arthur C. Clarke, 389 00:17:11,771 --> 00:17:13,407 the hard science-fiction writer, 390 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,942 and Stanley Kubrick, the visionary filmmaker, 391 00:17:15,976 --> 00:17:17,745 who thought this image was all you need. 392 00:17:17,777 --> 00:17:20,014 Let the audience figure it out. 393 00:17:20,046 --> 00:17:24,285 In that sense, everything was a surprise 394 00:17:24,317 --> 00:17:30,391 and a visual entr�e of unbelievable significance. 395 00:17:30,423 --> 00:17:32,759 But it's really not the... The filmmaking part of it. 396 00:17:32,793 --> 00:17:34,796 It's the "let's go into outer space" part of it. 397 00:17:34,828 --> 00:17:37,431 -That, too. That, too. -And we have the reality now to deal with it, 398 00:17:37,465 --> 00:17:39,767 which is why Mars is becoming more of a thing, 399 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:41,802 but we have to get people to say, 400 00:17:41,835 --> 00:17:43,336 "This is a fun adventure." 401 00:17:47,141 --> 00:17:49,877 Yee-haw! 402 00:17:49,910 --> 00:17:52,846 I guess I was probably 11 years old when I... 403 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,450 When I first saw "Star Wars." 404 00:17:55,482 --> 00:17:59,986 It was the most magnificent experience 405 00:18:00,019 --> 00:18:02,190 I had ever had in my life. 406 00:18:02,222 --> 00:18:06,159 My... My mind was, you know, searching for those answers 407 00:18:06,192 --> 00:18:07,961 and the world and you're hungry 408 00:18:07,995 --> 00:18:10,298 and I looked at "Star Wars" 409 00:18:10,331 --> 00:18:14,335 and I j... I knew I wanted to live in that world. 410 00:18:14,367 --> 00:18:18,138 I've been chasing "Star Wars" for my entire career. 411 00:18:20,508 --> 00:18:22,075 "Star Wars" is a landmark film 412 00:18:22,108 --> 00:18:23,810 in the history of science-fiction stories 413 00:18:23,844 --> 00:18:27,014 about space because it opened up the excitement 414 00:18:27,046 --> 00:18:29,283 and the adventure of traveling from planet to planet 415 00:18:29,315 --> 00:18:32,152 and made us all want to go there with the heroes. 416 00:18:32,186 --> 00:18:35,256 -Take 555. Take two. -Action. 417 00:18:35,288 --> 00:18:38,158 We built the cameras, we built the optical printers, 418 00:18:38,191 --> 00:18:41,094 we had built the miniatures all under one roof, 419 00:18:41,127 --> 00:18:44,197 which was kind of unusual. 420 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:48,102 We could fabricate metal, we could do machining, 421 00:18:48,134 --> 00:18:51,506 the chemistry for the explosions. 422 00:18:51,538 --> 00:18:55,509 It was a whole litany of things that were new. 423 00:18:55,543 --> 00:18:59,280 The first shot in the movie was sort of the touchstone 424 00:18:59,313 --> 00:19:02,249 for whether it was gonna work or not. 425 00:19:02,283 --> 00:19:06,053 It had a miniature of the Star Destroyer, 426 00:19:06,085 --> 00:19:07,488 which was three feet long. 427 00:19:09,023 --> 00:19:11,859 When we saw it, everybody went," 428 00:19:11,892 --> 00:19:14,261 It's great." 429 00:19:14,295 --> 00:19:18,999 That is a shot of pure awe where suddenly, as a viewer, 430 00:19:19,033 --> 00:19:21,369 you're just knocked out by the potential of space 431 00:19:21,402 --> 00:19:22,937 and where this movie could go. 432 00:19:22,969 --> 00:19:24,337 This was revolutionary. 433 00:19:24,371 --> 00:19:28,809 It really felt like you were standing there. 434 00:19:28,842 --> 00:19:30,311 And the ship was coming overhead. 435 00:19:30,344 --> 00:19:34,148 It was so transformative. 436 00:19:34,181 --> 00:19:37,485 Talk about what your influences were 437 00:19:37,517 --> 00:19:40,054 that fed into the creation of "Star Wars." 438 00:19:40,086 --> 00:19:42,789 As much as "Star Wars" seemed to just leap from your forehead... 439 00:19:42,823 --> 00:19:44,325 No. Fully formed, 440 00:19:44,357 --> 00:19:45,892 it had roots that any... 441 00:19:45,925 --> 00:19:47,861 Anybody in the science fiction world knows. 442 00:19:47,894 --> 00:19:49,195 Nothing, nothing, nothing in this world 443 00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:50,931 pops into your head fully formed. 444 00:19:50,965 --> 00:19:54,135 It's an accumulation of all the things you've seen, 445 00:19:54,168 --> 00:19:56,103 and then, when you go to regurgitate it 446 00:19:56,135 --> 00:19:58,071 into your own thing, 447 00:19:58,104 --> 00:20:00,307 you take all the best parts. 448 00:20:00,341 --> 00:20:03,311 The roll-up... that was taken from "Flash Gordon." 449 00:20:03,344 --> 00:20:05,345 The angle that it rolls up the screen 450 00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:07,481 with the way the text was arranged. 451 00:20:07,514 --> 00:20:09,350 Even the number of ellipses. 452 00:20:09,383 --> 00:20:13,086 And he was very much influenced by the movies of Akira Kurosawa. 453 00:20:24,198 --> 00:20:27,101 So, in terms of cowboy films, Lucas was very influenced 454 00:20:27,133 --> 00:20:30,604 by John Ford's "The Searchers," 455 00:20:30,638 --> 00:20:33,240 which contains a scene that very much mirrors 456 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:36,911 the scene where Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are murdered. 457 00:20:45,486 --> 00:20:49,256 Martha! Martha! 458 00:20:49,288 --> 00:20:52,093 Uncle Owen! Aunt Beru! 459 00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:55,061 That definitely helped fuel this notion that "Star Wars" 460 00:20:55,094 --> 00:20:56,896 is a space Western. 461 00:21:00,534 --> 00:21:03,270 One of the things that was really critical in "Star Wars" 462 00:21:03,303 --> 00:21:05,006 was, again, this sense of adrenaline 463 00:21:05,038 --> 00:21:08,541 and the idea of trajectory in space. 464 00:21:08,575 --> 00:21:10,478 Almost there. 465 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:13,380 And that brought some of that visceral quality back to it, 466 00:21:13,413 --> 00:21:16,883 sort of the idea of having that rush. 467 00:21:16,917 --> 00:21:19,587 I can't shake him! 468 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:21,455 And you know, it's interesting. 469 00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:24,458 The closer you get to something that speed, the faster it feels. 470 00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:28,094 It will be just like Beggar's Canyon back home. 471 00:21:28,127 --> 00:21:31,131 So that was really the idea behind the trench 472 00:21:31,164 --> 00:21:32,932 for the Death Star. 473 00:21:32,966 --> 00:21:35,603 Let's get people down into a space 474 00:21:35,635 --> 00:21:38,338 that's traveling at an extreme speed 475 00:21:38,372 --> 00:21:40,908 and give you the excitement that you get 476 00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:43,143 when you do it for real. 477 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:45,146 I mean, there's so many great shots in "Star Wars," 478 00:21:45,179 --> 00:21:49,383 but I think if there's one that makes my heart ache a bit, 479 00:21:49,415 --> 00:21:52,652 it's Luke seeing the two suns set. 480 00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:55,089 It just has this very "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" 481 00:21:55,122 --> 00:21:58,692 kind of wistful vibe to it. 482 00:21:58,726 --> 00:22:00,161 That was a shot that I can relate to 483 00:22:00,193 --> 00:22:01,661 as a teenager in Texas. 484 00:22:01,694 --> 00:22:03,963 That is a shot that I think any kid can relate to. 485 00:22:03,997 --> 00:22:08,568 This idea of "What is next for me and how do I go?" 486 00:22:08,602 --> 00:22:11,639 There's this yearning that makes this space story 487 00:22:11,671 --> 00:22:15,508 feel like something that's happening to us. 488 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:18,479 One of the reasons why I made "Star Wars" 489 00:22:18,511 --> 00:22:20,580 was it's made for 12-year-olds. 490 00:22:20,613 --> 00:22:23,150 It appeals to everybody, but it was still made for 12-year-olds. 491 00:22:23,182 --> 00:22:25,085 We were all 12 once. And I tell people, 492 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,487 "Don't underestimate 12-year-olds. 493 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:28,122 They're smarter than the rest of us." Right. 494 00:22:28,154 --> 00:22:30,190 They get stuff much faster than you do. 495 00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,992 -Yeah. -And the whole point was to get them to allow to think... 496 00:22:33,026 --> 00:22:34,729 To allow them to think outside the box. 497 00:22:34,761 --> 00:22:36,463 The whole thing is subjective and dream-like. 498 00:22:36,497 --> 00:22:38,431 Yeah, who said Wookiees can't fly? 499 00:22:38,465 --> 00:22:40,167 Well, I said they can fly. Yeah. 500 00:22:42,102 --> 00:22:44,138 I said, "I'm not gonna obey the rules." 501 00:22:44,171 --> 00:22:47,208 If you can imagine it, you can do it, 502 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,210 -but if you can't imagine it, you can't do it. -Yeah. 503 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:51,144 -Because... -It's the prison of your own mind, again. 504 00:22:51,178 --> 00:22:52,979 It's that prison of your own mind 505 00:22:53,013 --> 00:22:55,416 that allows you to do it, and you can enjoy that 506 00:22:55,449 --> 00:22:57,183 and come up with really crazy stuff. 507 00:22:57,217 --> 00:22:58,652 Yeah, just look at Chewbacca. 508 00:22:58,684 --> 00:23:00,668 Well, I can guarantee you there's no Wookiees in space. 509 00:23:00,687 --> 00:23:03,090 How do you know? 510 00:23:04,102 --> 00:23:07,640 You single-handedly revolutionized science fiction 511 00:23:07,672 --> 00:23:11,676 in pop culture with "Star Wars," 1977. 512 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:14,913 'Cause it had been three decades of downer stuff... 513 00:23:14,945 --> 00:23:18,249 Dystopian stuff, apocalyptic stuff, 514 00:23:18,282 --> 00:23:20,251 and science fiction was making less and less 515 00:23:20,285 --> 00:23:22,187 and less money every year and then, all of a sudden, 516 00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,757 you came along with another vision. 517 00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:28,527 One of wonder and hope and empowerment, 518 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:29,794 and boom! 519 00:23:29,827 --> 00:23:31,562 "Star Wars" is a space opera. 520 00:23:31,596 --> 00:23:33,632 It's not science fiction. 521 00:23:33,664 --> 00:23:37,036 And because it's really just, you know, 522 00:23:37,068 --> 00:23:39,238 one of those soap operas, only in space. 523 00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:41,072 Yeah, but it's more than that. Well... 524 00:23:41,105 --> 00:23:42,740 And you know... And you know it is. All right, all right. 525 00:23:42,774 --> 00:23:44,310 It's... It's a neo-myth. 526 00:23:44,343 --> 00:23:46,144 But it's... yeah, yes. It fulfills the role 527 00:23:46,178 --> 00:23:47,813 that myth played in society. 528 00:23:47,846 --> 00:23:49,013 Yeah, it is. It's mythology. 529 00:23:49,047 --> 00:23:50,915 But you took it to a new level. 530 00:23:50,949 --> 00:23:55,754 No film that I can think of had the used future idea. 531 00:23:55,787 --> 00:23:58,057 The future was always shiny, it was always perfect, 532 00:23:58,089 --> 00:24:00,992 it always had just been unwrapped on Christmas morning 533 00:24:01,026 --> 00:24:03,796 'cause it was kind of this optimistic ideal. 534 00:24:03,828 --> 00:24:06,565 And you said, "No, the future has to have been lived in 535 00:24:06,597 --> 00:24:07,899 for thousands of years," 536 00:24:07,932 --> 00:24:09,934 so the Sandcrawlers are all rusted 537 00:24:09,968 --> 00:24:11,670 and things are kind of broken 538 00:24:11,702 --> 00:24:14,072 and it looked like it had been lived in. 539 00:24:14,105 --> 00:24:15,641 So where did that idea come from? 540 00:24:15,673 --> 00:24:17,175 'Cause there was no precursor to that. 541 00:24:17,209 --> 00:24:21,212 I just felt that it's gotta look like it's a real place. 542 00:24:21,246 --> 00:24:24,350 The transition from the science-fiction space travel 543 00:24:24,383 --> 00:24:26,751 of the '60s to the '70s... Aggh! 544 00:24:26,785 --> 00:24:31,090 It probably reflects a wider shift in culture at that time, 545 00:24:31,123 --> 00:24:33,192 the sort of general cynicism of the '70s 546 00:24:33,224 --> 00:24:36,094 has kind of infected this vision of the future 547 00:24:36,127 --> 00:24:38,663 and it's like, "Okay, if we get into outer space, 548 00:24:38,697 --> 00:24:39,998 probably giant corporations 549 00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:41,700 are still gonna be running everything." 550 00:24:41,732 --> 00:24:44,302 And that's when you get to movies like "Alien." 551 00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:48,172 Where you have a spacecraft 552 00:24:48,205 --> 00:24:51,175 that looks like it's been through the mill. 553 00:24:51,209 --> 00:24:55,980 Things are leaking, steam's running out of broken pipes, 554 00:24:56,013 --> 00:24:57,215 it's grimy, 555 00:24:57,249 --> 00:24:59,651 and the place is a mess. 556 00:24:59,683 --> 00:25:01,353 Look, I'm not gonna do any more work 557 00:25:01,385 --> 00:25:03,355 till we get this straightened out. 558 00:25:03,387 --> 00:25:08,159 Grant, you're guaranteed by law to get a share. 559 00:25:08,192 --> 00:25:10,061 And it's, I think, no accident 560 00:25:10,095 --> 00:25:12,398 that, in a lot of these films, 561 00:25:12,431 --> 00:25:15,134 it's the military-industrial complex 562 00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:17,301 that are the real monster in space. 563 00:25:17,335 --> 00:25:18,737 This could cause trouble for us 564 00:25:18,769 --> 00:25:20,638 on all the other mining operations. 565 00:25:20,672 --> 00:25:22,975 That could put my people out of business. 566 00:25:23,008 --> 00:25:26,211 Don't worry. He's a dead man. 567 00:25:26,243 --> 00:25:29,213 From the moment that humans set off to lands 568 00:25:29,247 --> 00:25:32,151 that they'd never been to before, immediately what follows 569 00:25:32,183 --> 00:25:35,052 that is you see all of the normal human problems 570 00:25:35,086 --> 00:25:39,258 that we have in societies transposed to other worlds. 571 00:25:39,290 --> 00:25:41,826 Which means you're going to have labor problems. 572 00:25:41,859 --> 00:25:45,263 You're going to have hazardous environments for workers. 573 00:25:45,297 --> 00:25:46,865 You're going to have all kinds of things 574 00:25:46,897 --> 00:25:48,266 that reflect what might be 575 00:25:48,299 --> 00:25:51,002 the reality of outer-space exploration. 576 00:25:51,036 --> 00:25:54,038 At some point, corporations are going to have to get involved. 577 00:25:54,072 --> 00:25:55,374 At some point, maybe the government 578 00:25:55,406 --> 00:25:57,074 will have to take over, 579 00:25:57,107 --> 00:26:00,345 and lead to something like a militarized society 580 00:26:00,377 --> 00:26:02,146 like "Starship Troopers." 581 00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:05,049 We break net now and take you live to Klendathu 582 00:26:05,083 --> 00:26:06,919 where the invasion has begun. 583 00:26:06,951 --> 00:26:09,954 It's an ugly planet, a bug planet. 584 00:26:11,957 --> 00:26:13,926 Aaaah! 585 00:26:13,959 --> 00:26:16,161 When Paul Verhoeven and I were talking one day, 586 00:26:16,193 --> 00:26:17,995 "What movies would we like to make?" 587 00:26:18,028 --> 00:26:19,832 He said, "Well, I've always wanted to do a movie about, 588 00:26:19,865 --> 00:26:21,365 like, what it was like to be, you know, 589 00:26:21,399 --> 00:26:24,937 15 years old in Nazi Germany in 1935 590 00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:27,105 when nobody knew it was bad yet." 591 00:26:27,137 --> 00:26:29,307 It was a pretty interesting idea. 592 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:31,175 It came to me the idea, 593 00:26:31,209 --> 00:26:33,045 based on being a young boy 594 00:26:33,077 --> 00:26:34,712 when I was occupied by the Germans, 595 00:26:34,746 --> 00:26:36,315 of course, in... in Holland, which... 596 00:26:36,347 --> 00:26:38,216 Which was fascist, clearly. 597 00:26:38,249 --> 00:26:39,984 Or Nazis, whatever you want to call it. 598 00:26:40,018 --> 00:26:41,286 I said... I remember saying to him, 599 00:26:41,318 --> 00:26:42,921 "Well, they won't let us do that." 600 00:26:42,953 --> 00:26:45,022 But then I thought, "'Starship Troopers.' 601 00:26:45,056 --> 00:26:47,292 We can do that." 602 00:26:47,325 --> 00:26:52,130 Based on the book by Robert Heinlein. 603 00:26:52,163 --> 00:26:54,499 Really is a... Kind of a political tract 604 00:26:54,532 --> 00:26:58,336 and fairly conservative political tract where he said, 605 00:26:58,369 --> 00:27:00,338 "If people who had been in the military ran the world, 606 00:27:00,372 --> 00:27:02,039 it would be fair and right." 607 00:27:02,073 --> 00:27:06,111 He really felt that the kind of mentality 608 00:27:06,144 --> 00:27:09,448 that was encouraged in the U.S. Army 609 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,653 was extremely important for making boys into men. 610 00:27:16,555 --> 00:27:18,990 "Starship Troopers" is an important science-fiction movie 611 00:27:19,024 --> 00:27:20,359 because it's one of the few movies 612 00:27:20,392 --> 00:27:23,028 that warns us that humans may bring 613 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:24,929 the worst of themselves into space 614 00:27:24,962 --> 00:27:26,498 rather than the best of themselves. 615 00:27:26,530 --> 00:27:28,066 Burn 'em all! 616 00:27:30,035 --> 00:27:35,841 We really tried to bring in a level of criticism 617 00:27:35,874 --> 00:27:38,376 about what these people are doing, 618 00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:40,546 especially in the newsreels, 619 00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:43,548 continuously telling to the audience, 620 00:27:43,582 --> 00:27:45,017 "You like these people. 621 00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:47,118 These are your heroes and heroines. 622 00:27:47,152 --> 00:27:48,452 By the way, 623 00:27:48,486 --> 00:27:51,023 they're probably fascist." 624 00:27:51,056 --> 00:27:52,257 And what's fascinating 625 00:27:52,289 --> 00:27:54,425 about these patriotic newsreels... 626 00:27:54,459 --> 00:27:56,827 They're very shot-for-shot similar 627 00:27:56,861 --> 00:27:58,330 to "Triumph of the Will." 628 00:28:07,972 --> 00:28:11,042 It's this galaxy now and always! 629 00:28:11,076 --> 00:28:15,314 The movie I wanted to do was a movie about war and propaganda 630 00:28:15,346 --> 00:28:21,019 and why we go to war and what happens to us when we do, 631 00:28:21,051 --> 00:28:22,320 but I wanted to tell it, you know, 632 00:28:22,354 --> 00:28:25,057 almost like a 1950s B-movie. 633 00:28:25,089 --> 00:28:28,459 "Starship Troopers" is Troy Donahue and Sandra Dee 634 00:28:28,492 --> 00:28:31,195 go to outer space, fight giant bugs, 635 00:28:31,229 --> 00:28:34,499 and become Nazis was my kind of logline. 636 00:28:34,531 --> 00:28:36,167 Kill them! Kill them all! 637 00:28:38,103 --> 00:28:40,605 The story of humankind is exploration 638 00:28:40,638 --> 00:28:45,076 is followed by colonialization and exploitation, 639 00:28:45,109 --> 00:28:46,410 so we've always done this. 640 00:28:46,443 --> 00:28:48,279 He figured that he could get an alien 641 00:28:48,313 --> 00:28:50,515 back through quarantine 642 00:28:50,547 --> 00:28:53,417 if one of us was impregnated. 643 00:28:53,451 --> 00:28:56,087 I don't know which species is worse. 644 00:28:56,121 --> 00:28:57,922 You don't see them each other over 645 00:28:57,955 --> 00:28:59,323 for a damn percentage. 646 00:28:59,356 --> 00:29:01,359 And I think what you see in science fiction is, 647 00:29:01,393 --> 00:29:03,362 as we reach out into the universe, 648 00:29:03,394 --> 00:29:06,464 we take all of our baggage with us. 649 00:29:09,472 --> 00:29:11,741 My parents thought that television... 650 00:29:11,774 --> 00:29:13,476 And this is back in the early '50s... 651 00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:15,511 -Yeah? -Was the worst influence, 652 00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:17,581 so they prevented me from watching television. 653 00:29:17,614 --> 00:29:19,717 I could only watch, like, Jackie Gleason, 654 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:21,417 -"The Honeymooners." -Yeah, right. 655 00:29:21,451 --> 00:29:24,855 And so I started to imagine my own shows. 656 00:29:24,887 --> 00:29:27,223 I couldn't watch television, I would just dream up something 657 00:29:27,257 --> 00:29:28,592 -for myself to enjoy. -Yeah. 658 00:29:28,625 --> 00:29:31,462 And that's what kids do when they're exercising 659 00:29:31,494 --> 00:29:32,695 their natural ability 660 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:34,732 to create worlds that don't exist. 661 00:29:34,764 --> 00:29:36,966 I mean, I remember when I saw "Mysterious Island," 662 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,568 in... In the third grade. 663 00:29:38,601 --> 00:29:40,837 I raced home and started doing my own version 664 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:42,372 -of "Mysterious Island." -Yeah, yeah. 665 00:29:42,405 --> 00:29:44,273 So I think that's the creative impulse. 666 00:29:44,307 --> 00:29:45,576 You take it in. Y... 667 00:29:45,608 --> 00:29:47,578 I don't wanna copy it in a slavish fan way. 668 00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:49,312 Yes. I wanna create my own version of it. 669 00:29:49,346 --> 00:29:51,248 It was... it always had to do with a pencil 670 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,883 and a piece of paper and, of course, later, 671 00:29:52,915 --> 00:29:54,385 the 8-millimeter movie camera. 672 00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:57,487 But you were processing the world back out 673 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,257 in the form of something visual. Exactly. 674 00:30:00,289 --> 00:30:01,692 That... that... That... that's a blast 675 00:30:01,724 --> 00:30:03,459 'cause, you know, you do the same thing. 676 00:30:03,492 --> 00:30:05,762 When I sit down to storyboard, I come up with my best ideas 677 00:30:05,796 --> 00:30:07,931 in the process of making my sketches. 678 00:30:07,963 --> 00:30:09,599 I mean, ideas that weren't even in the script 679 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:11,635 and weren't even in my imagination... Right. 680 00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:14,337 Will come out as I'm actually drawing. 681 00:30:20,976 --> 00:30:24,447 The science-fiction artists are often overlooked 682 00:30:24,481 --> 00:30:25,749 in the history of science fiction. 683 00:30:29,819 --> 00:30:32,588 But artists have influenced authors 684 00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:33,824 in their own right because they're... 685 00:30:33,857 --> 00:30:35,959 You know, they're bringing their ideas 686 00:30:35,991 --> 00:30:41,065 and characters to life visually. 687 00:30:41,097 --> 00:30:42,699 But you think back to everything you 688 00:30:42,732 --> 00:30:45,469 probably have visualized about science fiction, 689 00:30:45,501 --> 00:30:47,870 you're probably going back to what a science-fiction artist 690 00:30:47,904 --> 00:30:50,741 has done. 691 00:30:50,773 --> 00:30:53,643 Chesley Bonestell is considered the father of space art 692 00:30:53,676 --> 00:30:55,812 or astronomic art. 693 00:30:55,846 --> 00:30:58,449 He started producing in the 1940s. 694 00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:03,553 These paintings that were extraordinarily realistic. 695 00:31:03,587 --> 00:31:07,090 You'll find, even today, astronomers, astronauts, 696 00:31:07,124 --> 00:31:09,827 astrophysicists, engineers who will say that, 697 00:31:09,859 --> 00:31:11,928 you know, they got into doing what they're doing 698 00:31:11,962 --> 00:31:15,031 because, as kids, they were inspired by Chesley Bonestell. 699 00:31:17,901 --> 00:31:20,070 The great advantage of science fiction 700 00:31:20,103 --> 00:31:24,475 is that you can draw anything on this vast canvas of space. 701 00:31:24,508 --> 00:31:26,009 It's all open, you know, 702 00:31:26,041 --> 00:31:28,544 for you to throw your own imagination in. 703 00:31:28,578 --> 00:31:30,780 With world-building, you are creating 704 00:31:30,814 --> 00:31:32,583 a society from scratch, 705 00:31:32,616 --> 00:31:35,452 a planet from scratch, a people from scratch. 706 00:31:35,484 --> 00:31:38,454 They may not look like people like you or me, 707 00:31:38,488 --> 00:31:41,991 but they are people. 708 00:31:42,024 --> 00:31:44,494 Every plant that you see 709 00:31:44,528 --> 00:31:47,131 in that remarkable forest on Pandora... 710 00:31:47,164 --> 00:31:49,633 Even if you see it for half a second, 711 00:31:49,665 --> 00:31:52,135 has an English name, 712 00:31:52,168 --> 00:31:54,737 a Latin name, a Na'vi name, 713 00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:58,575 and probably a two-page description on its ecology, 714 00:31:58,607 --> 00:32:01,744 on how it reproduces, on how it's used by the Na'vi. 715 00:32:01,778 --> 00:32:04,414 So if you're gonna go into that much detail, 716 00:32:04,446 --> 00:32:05,781 then you're not gonna skimp on the language. 717 00:32:08,984 --> 00:32:10,520 You've got to make sure that everything 718 00:32:10,553 --> 00:32:11,821 really holds together. 719 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:16,894 And the language I wrote it, 720 00:32:16,926 --> 00:32:19,562 it's like 400 words. 721 00:32:19,596 --> 00:32:21,030 And I make a little dictionary. 722 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:23,600 And that was interesting because the only two person 723 00:32:23,633 --> 00:32:25,536 who can speak the language at the time was... 724 00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:26,970 Was Milla and me. 725 00:32:27,002 --> 00:32:30,973 We were kind of fluent after a couple of weeks. 726 00:32:31,007 --> 00:32:32,643 What is your name? 727 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,997 That's her name. 728 00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:41,833 I think there's like a first, middle, 729 00:32:41,866 --> 00:32:43,901 and last somewhere in there. 730 00:32:43,934 --> 00:32:46,570 Don't ask me which. 731 00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:48,973 Working with Luc Besson, who wrote and directed 732 00:32:49,005 --> 00:32:51,608 "Fifth Element"... It changed my life. 733 00:32:51,642 --> 00:32:54,345 Just seemed so realistic to me, 734 00:32:54,377 --> 00:32:56,079 which I was really impressed by. 735 00:32:56,113 --> 00:32:58,982 It's the white page that you can write everything. 736 00:32:59,015 --> 00:33:03,487 You can make everything beautiful again in space. 737 00:33:03,521 --> 00:33:05,088 I like the fantasy of it. 738 00:33:05,121 --> 00:33:08,892 I, like, just take a subject, like the law, 739 00:33:08,925 --> 00:33:10,962 the police, the food. 740 00:33:10,994 --> 00:33:13,463 Good fortune for you. 741 00:33:13,496 --> 00:33:17,868 And then I start writing, you know, 10, 15 pages on each. 742 00:33:17,902 --> 00:33:19,437 And then you give that to the actors 743 00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:22,874 and it gives some life and polish on the story, 744 00:33:22,906 --> 00:33:25,609 even if you never talk about it. 745 00:33:25,643 --> 00:33:28,880 Science fiction is probably the best way to open your mind 746 00:33:28,913 --> 00:33:30,114 about everything, 747 00:33:30,146 --> 00:33:34,085 and sci-fi is just an oil 748 00:33:34,117 --> 00:33:36,521 so the doors open easier. 749 00:33:36,553 --> 00:33:38,588 It doesn't like 750 00:33:38,621 --> 00:33:41,057 So hard to push. 751 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:44,494 Space is the biggest canvas to write whatever you want 752 00:33:44,528 --> 00:33:47,464 and to push all the limits because, by definition, 753 00:33:47,498 --> 00:33:49,901 future doesn't have a limit. 754 00:33:49,934 --> 00:33:52,970 Or if there is one, we don't know it. 755 00:33:56,072 --> 00:33:58,475 When I was eight or nine years old, 756 00:33:58,509 --> 00:34:02,612 I was obsessed with creating different planets, 757 00:34:02,645 --> 00:34:05,682 creating these worlds and these universes and... 758 00:34:05,715 --> 00:34:08,786 And building them up from the ground, even at that young age. 759 00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:12,422 And I wrote up the visuals of "Guardians of the Galaxy." 760 00:34:12,456 --> 00:34:16,059 Hundreds of pages of documents with the different cultures 761 00:34:16,092 --> 00:34:18,061 and what they do and how do they think. 762 00:34:20,697 --> 00:34:25,735 We are creating a world in outer space based on real rules 763 00:34:25,768 --> 00:34:29,739 that is still filled with imagination and fantasy. 764 00:34:29,773 --> 00:34:32,710 Yeah. 765 00:34:32,742 --> 00:34:35,779 Yeah! 766 00:34:35,813 --> 00:34:37,848 When you're dealing with a raccoon and a tree, 767 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,884 you are, in some ways, dealing with space fantasy, 768 00:34:39,916 --> 00:34:45,088 but, within that, let's say there is a talking raccoon. 769 00:34:45,121 --> 00:34:46,223 What would it be? 770 00:34:46,257 --> 00:34:47,692 And how would it be? 771 00:34:47,724 --> 00:34:49,927 And I came up with Rocket Raccoon 772 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,996 is a result of experiments on his body 773 00:34:53,029 --> 00:34:56,700 to turn him into something that's designed to kill. 774 00:34:56,733 --> 00:34:59,237 Ain't no thing like me except me. 775 00:34:59,270 --> 00:35:01,204 I am Groot. 776 00:35:01,237 --> 00:35:02,572 Yeah, you said that. 777 00:35:02,605 --> 00:35:04,507 Groot's the most popular character 778 00:35:04,541 --> 00:35:06,244 from "Guardians of the Galaxy." 779 00:35:06,277 --> 00:35:09,012 He's probably the soul of the movie. 780 00:35:09,045 --> 00:35:10,614 I mean, I remember like it was yesterday. 781 00:35:10,648 --> 00:35:12,783 We were getting ready to shoot this scene 782 00:35:12,815 --> 00:35:15,953 where Groot grows into sort of like this nest 783 00:35:15,985 --> 00:35:17,989 and protects us from this impact 784 00:35:18,021 --> 00:35:22,125 that was just going to completely kill us. 785 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,162 That day when we're shooting that scene, that... 786 00:35:25,195 --> 00:35:27,965 We couldn't stop crying. 787 00:35:27,998 --> 00:35:30,701 This character that doesn't even exist, 788 00:35:30,733 --> 00:35:35,672 but risking his life for mine, was very moving. 789 00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:37,141 Why are you doing this? 790 00:35:37,174 --> 00:35:39,809 It's very much of a Christ story. 791 00:35:39,842 --> 00:35:42,178 You have this character who gives his life 792 00:35:42,212 --> 00:35:43,581 and is born again. 793 00:35:43,614 --> 00:35:45,583 We... 794 00:35:45,616 --> 00:35:47,150 are... 795 00:35:47,183 --> 00:35:48,852 Groot. 796 00:35:48,886 --> 00:35:52,123 "We are Groot" is the line of dialogue 797 00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:55,759 that every single other thing in the movie is hanging on. 798 00:35:55,793 --> 00:35:58,929 It's about seeing a raccoon and a human being 799 00:35:58,962 --> 00:36:01,866 and a green assassin and a big oaf, 800 00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:04,801 and they find a family with each other for the first time. 801 00:36:04,835 --> 00:36:06,070 An outer-space family. 802 00:36:06,103 --> 00:36:07,637 That's what makes it science fiction, 803 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:09,239 is that it's an outer-space family. 804 00:36:11,585 --> 00:36:14,804 Today, it is you who will learn the power of Mars. 805 00:36:14,836 --> 00:36:17,578 Tomorrow, it will be the whole world. 806 00:36:17,602 --> 00:36:20,437 You're dreaming. Is it about Mars? 807 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:21,939 The angry red planet. 808 00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:23,942 We're heading straight for Mars. 809 00:36:23,975 --> 00:36:26,544 Mars is burning up. 810 00:36:26,577 --> 00:36:29,413 Good God. I'm on Mars. 811 00:36:31,082 --> 00:36:32,917 50 years ago, space is 812 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:35,653 an extraordinarily hostile environment 813 00:36:35,685 --> 00:36:37,588 and then we go through the trajectory of science fiction, 814 00:36:37,622 --> 00:36:40,859 which includes exploring the rest of the universe. 815 00:36:40,892 --> 00:36:43,127 But the solar system is now very much within our reach. 816 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,131 The closest Mars ever gets to us is 36 million miles, 817 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:50,101 which doesn't seem so huge when you think about light-years. 818 00:36:50,133 --> 00:36:53,937 It's a tiny distance by comparison. 819 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,407 Stories like "The Martian" make us believe 820 00:36:57,441 --> 00:37:01,011 that we can and will do this in our own lifetime. 821 00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:04,615 I gotta figure out a way to grow three years' 822 00:37:04,649 --> 00:37:06,851 worth of food here. 823 00:37:06,883 --> 00:37:08,986 On a planet where nothing grows. 824 00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:11,856 In "The Martian," what you see is a smart person 825 00:37:11,888 --> 00:37:14,024 actually acting smart. 826 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:16,026 Using his brain to solve problems, 827 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:18,663 instead of a lightsaber or a ray gun. 828 00:37:18,696 --> 00:37:21,466 They say that, once you grow crops somewhere, 829 00:37:21,499 --> 00:37:23,935 you've officially colonized it. 830 00:37:23,968 --> 00:37:27,172 So, technically, 831 00:37:27,205 --> 00:37:29,507 I colonized Mars. 832 00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:30,975 One of the other great things 833 00:37:31,008 --> 00:37:32,977 that Andy Weir's "The Martian" does 834 00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:34,546 is make the experience 835 00:37:34,578 --> 00:37:37,948 seem like an everyday experience, almost. 836 00:37:37,982 --> 00:37:41,719 You can see yourself as Mark Watney. 837 00:37:41,752 --> 00:37:43,121 He doesn't power through problems 838 00:37:43,153 --> 00:37:44,588 without hitting a hitch. 839 00:37:44,622 --> 00:37:46,658 He hits every single hitch there is. 840 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,163 And you get to see him work through them, 841 00:37:52,196 --> 00:37:55,200 and you find yourself thinking, "I could do that." 842 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:58,937 So, it's inspirational, but it's also just very practical. 843 00:37:58,970 --> 00:38:03,674 I forgot to account for the excess oxygen 844 00:38:03,707 --> 00:38:06,577 that I've been exhaling 845 00:38:06,611 --> 00:38:09,513 when I did my calculations 846 00:38:09,546 --> 00:38:11,715 because I'm stupid. 847 00:38:11,749 --> 00:38:15,453 The whole story is just one prolonged cascade failure. 848 00:38:15,486 --> 00:38:18,156 Basically, his solution to this immediate problem 849 00:38:18,189 --> 00:38:22,859 leads to the next problem and the next and the next and so on. 850 00:38:22,892 --> 00:38:25,495 I would say that the problem-solving style 851 00:38:25,528 --> 00:38:26,997 of Arthur Clarke 852 00:38:27,031 --> 00:38:29,133 and also Robert Heinlein influenced 853 00:38:29,165 --> 00:38:30,834 how I wrote "The Martian," 854 00:38:30,868 --> 00:38:32,971 although I would say one of the biggest influences 855 00:38:33,004 --> 00:38:34,772 on "The Martian" was Apollo 13, 856 00:38:34,805 --> 00:38:37,107 both the real event and the movie. 857 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:38,508 This is Houston. 858 00:38:38,542 --> 00:38:40,111 Say again, please. 859 00:38:40,144 --> 00:38:42,946 Houston, we have a problem. 860 00:38:42,979 --> 00:38:44,682 My father is a particle physicist 861 00:38:44,714 --> 00:38:46,550 and my mother is an electrical engineer, 862 00:38:46,584 --> 00:38:50,821 so I was pretty much doomed to be a nerd. 863 00:38:50,854 --> 00:38:53,991 There is one joke where they tell him everything he's typing 864 00:38:54,024 --> 00:38:56,160 is being broadcast live to the entire world. 865 00:38:56,192 --> 00:38:57,861 Yeah? 866 00:38:57,895 --> 00:39:00,131 In the novel, he says, "Look! A pair of boobs!" 867 00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:01,999 and draws, like, these ASCII art boobs... 868 00:39:02,033 --> 00:39:05,569 That's open parenthesis, period, "Y," period, close parenthesis. 869 00:39:05,602 --> 00:39:07,571 They didn't put that in the movie. 870 00:39:07,604 --> 00:39:10,674 They just had everyone and look up and go, 871 00:39:10,707 --> 00:39:12,075 My God. 872 00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:14,045 As if he'd written something really profane. 873 00:39:16,046 --> 00:39:17,615 In the face of overwhelming odds, 874 00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:20,617 I'm left with only one option. 875 00:39:20,651 --> 00:39:23,788 I'm gonna have to science the out of this. 876 00:39:23,821 --> 00:39:25,890 I'm gonna have to science the out of this. 877 00:39:25,923 --> 00:39:27,625 How... What does that mean to you? 878 00:39:27,658 --> 00:39:32,596 Well, it equates with his thrill of terror, saying, 879 00:39:32,629 --> 00:39:35,767 "I'm... I'm either gonna die here or I can survive." 880 00:39:35,799 --> 00:39:40,171 -Yep. -And so he leans heavily on what I call gallows humor. 881 00:39:40,203 --> 00:39:42,240 "I'm not gonna think too much about this. 882 00:39:42,272 --> 00:39:44,675 I'm gonna take it day by day, hour by hour." 883 00:39:44,709 --> 00:39:46,911 -Yeah. -And "I'm gonna have to science the out of this" 884 00:39:46,944 --> 00:39:48,646 to get my survival going. 885 00:39:48,678 --> 00:39:50,213 -That kinda humor... -Yeah. 886 00:39:50,247 --> 00:39:53,917 Probably keeps in check terror and fear 887 00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:55,586 -which will stop him functioning. -Right, right. 888 00:39:55,618 --> 00:39:56,921 Do you know what I got out of it? 889 00:39:56,953 --> 00:39:59,756 We're all that guy. Are... 890 00:39:59,790 --> 00:40:02,927 That our state right now of affairs on Earth... 891 00:40:02,959 --> 00:40:05,562 -Yeah. -Is such that we have no choice 892 00:40:05,595 --> 00:40:07,097 but to "science the out of it"... 893 00:40:07,131 --> 00:40:08,633 -Correct. -In order to survive. 894 00:40:08,665 --> 00:40:10,200 That's a good... The threat's in front of us. 895 00:40:10,234 --> 00:40:12,236 Yes. Our threats that will be solved... 896 00:40:12,269 --> 00:40:14,004 That are... That are caused by technology, 897 00:40:14,037 --> 00:40:16,340 for the most part, and they need to be solved by science. 898 00:40:16,374 --> 00:40:18,743 Yes. That's a good point. Yeah? 899 00:40:18,776 --> 00:40:21,245 I think the drive for the realism of "The Martian" 900 00:40:21,278 --> 00:40:24,314 is the fact that we will get to Mars quite soon, 901 00:40:24,348 --> 00:40:27,819 so suddenly it's come right back to our doorstep, 902 00:40:27,852 --> 00:40:29,587 that we now have the technology 903 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:31,888 and are building the sophisticated means 904 00:40:31,921 --> 00:40:34,791 for getting to Mars and colonizing Mars. 905 00:40:34,825 --> 00:40:37,627 That's why "The Martian" is... is important 906 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:39,663 and why it has that realism to it. 907 00:40:39,696 --> 00:40:41,098 This is space. 908 00:40:41,131 --> 00:40:43,166 It does not cooperate. 909 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,703 At some point, everything's gonna go south 910 00:40:45,736 --> 00:40:47,971 and you're gonna say, "This is it." 911 00:40:48,004 --> 00:40:49,874 Now, you can either accept that, 912 00:40:49,906 --> 00:40:52,142 or you can get to work. 913 00:40:52,176 --> 00:40:56,314 If we don't figure out how to get to Mars and live there 914 00:40:56,346 --> 00:40:57,982 and then build another spaceship 915 00:40:58,015 --> 00:40:59,850 that can go to another solar system... 916 00:40:59,883 --> 00:41:01,818 -Yep. -We're toast. 917 00:41:01,852 --> 00:41:03,321 We're toast. Yeah. In the long term, we are. 918 00:41:03,354 --> 00:41:05,356 And to... And to say, yeah, we've only got a million years 919 00:41:05,388 --> 00:41:06,691 to figure this out. We better... 920 00:41:06,723 --> 00:41:08,392 We're way behind schedule here. 921 00:41:08,426 --> 00:41:12,663 So you have to get people to sort of buy into the idea. 922 00:41:12,696 --> 00:41:14,966 And if we didn't have these movies... Yeah. 923 00:41:14,999 --> 00:41:16,366 To say, "This is an adventure, 924 00:41:16,399 --> 00:41:18,135 -this is really gonna be fun"... -Yep. 925 00:41:18,169 --> 00:41:19,270 Do you think we'd be dumb enough 926 00:41:19,303 --> 00:41:21,272 to go in a spaceship off to Mars 927 00:41:21,305 --> 00:41:23,073 where there's nothing there but a bunch of red dirt? 928 00:41:23,107 --> 00:41:25,375 -Yeah. -No, it's like the adventure, 929 00:41:25,408 --> 00:41:27,677 the whole idea of it. 930 00:41:27,711 --> 00:41:29,946 We have to do this. 931 00:41:29,979 --> 00:41:31,948 The human race depends on it. 932 00:41:31,982 --> 00:41:33,750 Well, thank you for doing this. 933 00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:36,887 My pleasure. This has been an amazing brain jam. 934 00:41:36,921 --> 00:41:38,890 Yeah, well, this is all I have to do now. 935 00:41:38,923 --> 00:41:41,526 And I don't get to do it very much. 73019

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