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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:31,441 When Rainer Werner Fassbinder died at age 37 in 1982, 2 00:00:31,561 --> 00:00:35,201 he left us 44 films and TV series. 3 00:00:35,321 --> 00:00:39,201 What counts is the body of work you bequeath, he believed. 4 00:00:39,321 --> 00:00:44,801 It must say something about the era it was made in, or it's worthless. 5 00:00:44,921 --> 00:00:49,361 His films touch on the greatest fears and taboos of Germans. 6 00:00:50,241 --> 00:00:52,801 No other German director was as productive, 7 00:00:52,921 --> 00:00:57,321 controversial and obsessive as Rainer Werner Fassbinder. 8 00:00:59,201 --> 00:01:03,761 My goal is to make films that are perfect, 9 00:01:03,881 --> 00:01:08,601 that are indistinguishable from French, Italian or American films, 10 00:01:08,721 --> 00:01:13,001 but that remain personal reflections of their maker 11 00:01:14,001 --> 00:01:17,481 and cannot be mistaken for anyone else's work. 12 00:01:25,801 --> 00:01:29,081 I knew I'd make films. I knew it... 13 00:01:29,201 --> 00:01:30,761 from the age of 12. 14 00:01:31,721 --> 00:01:34,601 For me it was just a matter of time. 15 00:01:34,721 --> 00:01:37,481 I did various things, 16 00:01:37,601 --> 00:01:39,681 a little acting, a little writing. 17 00:01:39,801 --> 00:01:40,881 Ravioli! 18 00:01:41,001 --> 00:01:44,001 I spent two years in drama school. 19 00:01:44,121 --> 00:01:49,441 Filmmaking was what I knew least about, so I liked it best. 20 00:01:51,561 --> 00:01:53,841 That's the backstory. 21 00:01:55,481 --> 00:02:00,201 I'm used to a big camera. I haven't mastered this small one yet. 22 00:02:02,841 --> 00:02:04,121 Voila! 23 00:02:05,641 --> 00:02:08,361 He'd die laughing to see me now. 24 00:02:10,601 --> 00:02:12,521 - Lucy! - I'll empty the water. 25 00:02:12,641 --> 00:02:13,961 - What water? - That water. 26 00:02:14,081 --> 00:02:16,121 You're lying. Come closer. 27 00:02:16,241 --> 00:02:20,121 What did you want? Stand up for yourself. Look at me. 28 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:24,921 I remember we had to perform these exercises at school. 29 00:02:25,001 --> 00:02:26,441 ACTRESS 30 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:27,761 What school? 31 00:02:27,881 --> 00:02:33,241 It was a private school where I ended up by chance. 32 00:02:33,361 --> 00:02:37,081 I didn't know I wanted to become an actress. 33 00:02:37,201 --> 00:02:40,161 Then I noticed this boy. 34 00:02:40,281 --> 00:02:44,521 Somehow he was both touching and intimidating at the same time. 35 00:02:44,641 --> 00:02:47,201 Both vulnerable and... 36 00:02:50,081 --> 00:02:53,001 predatory, rapacious. 37 00:02:53,121 --> 00:02:54,801 He was this mixture... 38 00:02:54,921 --> 00:02:59,081 Everything he did, he did unlike anyone else. 39 00:02:59,201 --> 00:03:03,081 I met Fassbinder through a friend 40 00:03:04,201 --> 00:03:07,001 who was at drama school with him. 41 00:03:07,121 --> 00:03:08,441 She said to me, 42 00:03:08,521 --> 00:03:09,921 ACTRESS 43 00:03:10,001 --> 00:03:14,121 "There's an actor coming over, Rainer Werner Fassbinder... 44 00:03:14,241 --> 00:03:18,041 to do a kind of reading. 45 00:03:18,161 --> 00:03:19,481 Want to come?" 46 00:03:19,601 --> 00:03:22,121 I remember he smoked 100 cigarettes 47 00:03:22,241 --> 00:03:25,041 and read from a novel. I was electrified. 48 00:03:25,801 --> 00:03:28,161 Whatever hurts me feels good. 49 00:03:28,801 --> 00:03:30,361 How many people came? 50 00:03:30,481 --> 00:03:31,881 Maybe three. 51 00:03:32,001 --> 00:03:35,601 And what was so electrifying? 52 00:03:35,721 --> 00:03:40,441 The focus, the intensity, with which he read... 53 00:03:40,561 --> 00:03:43,961 It electrified me. It was completely new to me. 54 00:03:44,681 --> 00:03:50,121 A few weeks later, Christoph Roser called me at the office where I worked 55 00:03:50,241 --> 00:03:51,881 and said, "You see, 56 00:03:52,001 --> 00:03:56,361 Rainer would like to... He's shooting a short film... 57 00:03:56,481 --> 00:04:01,201 We have no money, we're very sorry..." But would I act in it? 58 00:04:01,321 --> 00:04:06,041 I thought I'd pass out. I was completely rattled. And... 59 00:04:06,161 --> 00:04:07,321 Why? 60 00:04:07,441 --> 00:04:11,161 I was so excited. It was all new. I felt out of my depth. 61 00:04:11,761 --> 00:04:13,321 But we shot it, 62 00:04:13,441 --> 00:04:17,121 and from that moment on I was under his spell. 63 00:04:17,241 --> 00:04:18,801 - Really? - Yes! 64 00:04:18,921 --> 00:04:20,921 The way he talked to me, 65 00:04:21,041 --> 00:04:25,521 told me to do this, do that, and demonstrating... 66 00:04:25,641 --> 00:04:28,881 He showed me how to deliver each of my lines. 67 00:04:29,001 --> 00:04:33,521 And it was more intimate than anything I'd done. 68 00:04:33,641 --> 00:04:35,881 It was amazing. 69 00:04:36,001 --> 00:04:39,601 No one had ever spoken to me like that before. 70 00:04:39,721 --> 00:04:43,321 Not as he did. It was absolutely unique. 71 00:04:44,161 --> 00:04:46,681 Then he moved into my apartment. 72 00:04:46,801 --> 00:04:49,041 I was with him day and night. 73 00:04:49,681 --> 00:04:53,561 It was exhausting. We never went to bed before 4am. 74 00:04:53,681 --> 00:04:57,001 We never slept more than three or four hours. 75 00:04:57,121 --> 00:04:59,161 We were always on the move. 76 00:04:59,281 --> 00:05:04,081 We saw all the American B movies. Four a day. 77 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:06,281 Then we'd go to a bar. 78 00:05:06,401 --> 00:05:10,081 We'd drink Coke. Fassbinder drank no alcohol then. 79 00:05:10,201 --> 00:05:11,921 - Only tea or Coke. - Really? 80 00:05:12,041 --> 00:05:18,001 Yes. For years. It wasn't until '74 and the Theater am Turm 81 00:05:18,121 --> 00:05:20,481 that he used alcohol or drugs. 82 00:05:23,121 --> 00:05:26,841 In '67 I met a fellow student from drama school 83 00:05:26,961 --> 00:05:32,921 who said she was playing Antigone at the Action-Theater, 84 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:36,241 and that I should come and see it. 85 00:05:36,361 --> 00:05:38,601 As it turned out, 86 00:05:38,721 --> 00:05:42,881 I was standing at the bar after the performance, 87 00:05:43,001 --> 00:05:46,641 and the director, Peer Raben, joined me. 88 00:05:46,761 --> 00:05:51,601 He said he was looking for actors with a Bavarian accent, and... 89 00:05:52,281 --> 00:05:58,081 we decided we'd see how well we worked together. 90 00:05:58,201 --> 00:06:02,961 He had someone drop off a note in my mailbox. 91 00:06:03,081 --> 00:06:08,441 I don't know if it was his handwriting. I hadn't seen much of his writing. 92 00:06:09,041 --> 00:06:11,521 All it said was, 93 00:06:12,361 --> 00:06:16,721 "Do you want to play Antigone? The premiere is in two days." 94 00:06:16,841 --> 00:06:18,921 It went really fast. 95 00:06:19,041 --> 00:06:23,121 You had to play both Antigone and in the chorus. 96 00:06:24,241 --> 00:06:28,841 In the chorus you just copied what the others did. 97 00:06:28,961 --> 00:06:32,441 And then in your moment as Antigone, 98 00:06:33,481 --> 00:06:38,441 you weren't told much more than, "Do what you want... 99 00:06:39,961 --> 00:06:43,761 And you can do very little, too. That also works." 100 00:06:44,721 --> 00:06:46,401 Who was directing? 101 00:06:46,521 --> 00:06:48,161 Peer Raben. 102 00:06:49,601 --> 00:06:51,521 Yes, he was really... 103 00:06:52,161 --> 00:06:54,521 the most important one there. 104 00:06:55,161 --> 00:06:58,601 He was... Later he did lots of music, 105 00:06:58,721 --> 00:07:02,281 but at times he was also Fassbinder's lover. 106 00:07:02,401 --> 00:07:06,841 I was overcome with ecstasy in the moment - 107 00:07:06,961 --> 00:07:09,201 the ecstasy of acting, I mean - 108 00:07:09,321 --> 00:07:13,441 as soon as the spotlight fell upon me, 109 00:07:13,561 --> 00:07:17,001 and I suddenly realized, "Right! 110 00:07:17,121 --> 00:07:20,041 That's just the feeling I've been looking for!" 111 00:07:21,201 --> 00:07:23,961 From then on I was part of it. 112 00:07:24,081 --> 00:07:27,001 They moved, suddenly called themselves Antiteater. 113 00:07:27,081 --> 00:07:28,801 ASSISTANT DIRECTOR/ACTOR 114 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:31,521 They had a play, The Beggar's Opera. 115 00:07:32,241 --> 00:07:37,401 There was a drummer in it who would beat his drum 116 00:07:37,521 --> 00:07:40,241 and say a few lines. That was my in. 117 00:07:40,361 --> 00:07:43,321 I'd never heard of Fassbinder. 118 00:07:43,801 --> 00:07:47,041 The first time I saw him 119 00:07:47,161 --> 00:07:50,041 he was bent over laughing at my performance. 120 00:07:50,161 --> 00:07:53,841 Because I spoke extremely slowly 121 00:07:53,961 --> 00:07:57,721 and looked like, the revolution incarnate... 122 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:02,801 moustache, sideburns, leather coat. Like from the Gestapo. 123 00:08:02,921 --> 00:08:09,641 He'd just sit there bent over laughing with Hanna. 124 00:08:09,761 --> 00:08:14,641 It never occurred to me that they were laughing about me. 125 00:08:14,761 --> 00:08:19,801 In the meantime, for my parents' sake, 126 00:08:19,921 --> 00:08:23,321 I was continuing my studies. 127 00:08:23,441 --> 00:08:25,241 They would've worried. 128 00:08:25,361 --> 00:08:28,721 With Fassbinder of all people! 129 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:31,641 - Why? - He was the bogeyman. 130 00:08:31,761 --> 00:08:32,881 Really? 131 00:08:33,001 --> 00:08:36,561 He was the bogeyman of the middle class. 132 00:08:36,681 --> 00:08:41,521 I used to write short theatre and film reviews for a Hamburg paper. 133 00:08:41,601 --> 00:08:43,081 ACTOR/DIRECTOR 134 00:08:43,161 --> 00:08:45,241 And I was sitting there 135 00:08:45,321 --> 00:08:49,241 in what was half theatre, half bar... 136 00:08:51,001 --> 00:08:54,521 He hung out there. I thought, who is that? 137 00:08:54,641 --> 00:08:58,081 He looked like some guy who'd just dropped by... 138 00:08:58,201 --> 00:09:02,361 But then he became, in fact, 139 00:09:02,481 --> 00:09:05,641 the central figure of the Action-Theater. 140 00:09:05,761 --> 00:09:10,041 He can do anything. He'd be excellent as von Schmettwitz. 141 00:09:10,161 --> 00:09:11,481 He's only directing. 142 00:09:12,441 --> 00:09:15,041 The major is forceful. 143 00:09:15,161 --> 00:09:17,641 He imposes his decisions. 144 00:09:19,041 --> 00:09:22,601 You have to play the way he wants, not as you would. 145 00:09:23,361 --> 00:09:26,721 You could feel that he had begun 146 00:09:26,841 --> 00:09:30,241 to dominate the Action-Theater troupe. 147 00:09:31,081 --> 00:09:36,001 At one point I realized he was the engine behind the whole thing. 148 00:09:36,121 --> 00:09:38,401 The way he directed... 149 00:09:38,521 --> 00:09:43,641 I'd always thought that Willi, Peer Raben, was the boss. 150 00:09:43,761 --> 00:09:48,321 And he was at first, but Rainer more or less took over. 151 00:09:48,441 --> 00:09:54,001 That's how society is. Those in charge don't have the money 152 00:09:54,121 --> 00:09:56,001 so that everyone can be on the payroll. 153 00:09:56,121 --> 00:10:01,001 So almost everyone also has to have a day job. 154 00:10:01,121 --> 00:10:06,281 Only a few of us are always available, so we're the ones who are involved. 155 00:10:06,401 --> 00:10:09,481 Why do you call it Antiteater? 156 00:10:09,601 --> 00:10:14,041 Is it experimental, or anti-theatre? 157 00:10:14,161 --> 00:10:17,401 It's more than just anti-theatre. 158 00:10:17,521 --> 00:10:21,601 - Anti what? - Oh, anti-state. 159 00:10:23,121 --> 00:10:24,921 Anti... 160 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:27,441 Anti-violence, war... 161 00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:32,401 It was this grand longing 162 00:10:33,721 --> 00:10:39,961 to change this capitalist, fascist, warmongering world. 163 00:10:43,281 --> 00:10:46,601 LOVE IS COLDER THAN DEATH 164 00:10:46,721 --> 00:10:50,041 He wanted to make films. That was clear. 165 00:10:50,161 --> 00:10:51,161 And... 166 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:54,601 It's about chance encounters. 167 00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:57,441 He met Ulli Lommel. 168 00:10:57,561 --> 00:11:00,921 And then they got money 169 00:11:01,041 --> 00:11:04,241 from an heiress to the Bosch fortune, 10,000 marks. 170 00:11:04,361 --> 00:11:08,121 I was very convincing 171 00:11:08,241 --> 00:11:10,921 when asking people for money 172 00:11:11,041 --> 00:11:13,761 because I was so convinced about him. 173 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:17,001 I knew... I always said, "He's a genius. 174 00:11:17,121 --> 00:11:20,241 He's a genius. You have to give him money." 175 00:11:20,361 --> 00:11:25,401 - You knew that? - I was certain of it, that he's a genius. 176 00:11:25,521 --> 00:11:27,201 Darling! 177 00:11:30,081 --> 00:11:33,041 - Can I help you? - Do you have steel frames? 178 00:11:33,921 --> 00:11:35,241 - Steel frames? - I don't... 179 00:11:39,641 --> 00:11:42,601 - Do they suit me? - I don't know. Maybe. 180 00:11:42,721 --> 00:11:44,161 They're nice, yes. 181 00:11:44,281 --> 00:11:47,601 - Can I finally get help? - Yes sir? 182 00:11:47,721 --> 00:11:52,521 - Just tell me if you have steel frames. - I don't know. 183 00:11:52,641 --> 00:11:54,121 Wait your turn! 184 00:11:54,241 --> 00:11:55,641 - She only... - Fine. 185 00:11:55,761 --> 00:11:58,441 I'm looking for a pair of round glasses, 186 00:11:58,561 --> 00:12:01,081 like the cop in Psycho has. 187 00:12:01,201 --> 00:12:04,081 The one who finds Janet Leigh's car. 188 00:12:04,201 --> 00:12:07,121 - You know? - What lousy service! 189 00:12:07,241 --> 00:12:09,601 - I'm only human. - Steel frames. 190 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:11,161 - Steel frames! - Yes. 191 00:12:12,641 --> 00:12:16,161 If you don't have those, what do you have, doll? 192 00:12:16,281 --> 00:12:19,641 Our selection is limited. We're a department store. 193 00:12:19,761 --> 00:12:21,681 Thanks a lot. 194 00:12:21,801 --> 00:12:24,881 I let him do whatever he wanted. 195 00:12:25,001 --> 00:12:27,161 Because of course I realized 196 00:12:27,281 --> 00:12:30,081 how far ahead of us he was creatively. 197 00:12:31,121 --> 00:12:34,761 It hadn't escaped my notice that... 198 00:12:36,601 --> 00:12:38,001 he had something. 199 00:12:38,121 --> 00:12:41,001 There was never any hesitation in him. 200 00:12:42,001 --> 00:12:45,281 Often I didn't understand what he wanted. 201 00:12:45,401 --> 00:12:49,121 His stagings were so foreign to me. 202 00:12:51,281 --> 00:12:55,361 Even when it was about nasty little backstabbers, 203 00:12:56,841 --> 00:13:00,121 he'd want to give it something 204 00:13:00,241 --> 00:13:03,081 that went above and beyond that. 205 00:13:03,201 --> 00:13:06,441 Maybe he'd have wanted to make love stories 206 00:13:06,561 --> 00:13:09,761 if he'd experienced that kind of thing himself. 207 00:13:09,881 --> 00:13:13,601 But there must have been a lot of gaps to fill, 208 00:13:13,721 --> 00:13:17,601 the absences of the central figures in his life, 209 00:13:17,721 --> 00:13:20,961 his mother, his father and everyone... 210 00:13:23,001 --> 00:13:24,521 His mother? 211 00:13:26,241 --> 00:13:29,601 The way I saw his mother? 212 00:13:30,281 --> 00:13:31,921 I found Lilo... 213 00:13:32,041 --> 00:13:34,401 Of course it didn't escape me 214 00:13:34,521 --> 00:13:37,921 that we resembled each other a bit. 215 00:13:38,041 --> 00:13:42,081 You can see it in this book he made for her. 216 00:13:42,201 --> 00:13:44,521 And I saw it here. 217 00:13:45,521 --> 00:13:48,481 So there must have been something to it. 218 00:13:49,201 --> 00:13:52,561 And this book of his poems 219 00:13:52,681 --> 00:13:56,641 was also an act of tenderness for his mother 220 00:13:56,761 --> 00:14:00,801 that was probably not possible to express directly. 221 00:14:00,921 --> 00:14:03,641 Because first off she was aloof, 222 00:14:05,761 --> 00:14:09,401 and second always sick and away in a sanatorium. 223 00:14:09,521 --> 00:14:13,601 Then she took a husband who was never close to him. 224 00:14:13,721 --> 00:14:18,801 They constantly gave him money to go to the cinema. 225 00:14:18,921 --> 00:14:21,241 And so the cineaste was born. 226 00:14:22,201 --> 00:14:25,081 The 19th Berlin International Film Festival 227 00:14:25,201 --> 00:14:29,161 presents the German feature film Colder than Death. 228 00:14:31,041 --> 00:14:34,241 Eventually the film was finished. 229 00:14:35,321 --> 00:14:41,441 We sent a rough cut without any sound to the Berlinale, 230 00:14:41,561 --> 00:14:45,121 and it was invited to the 1969 Berlin competition. 231 00:14:46,321 --> 00:14:49,841 This simply confirmed for us everything 232 00:14:49,961 --> 00:14:52,001 we'd hoped and expected. 233 00:14:52,121 --> 00:14:55,801 The deft camerawork captures black and white contrasts 234 00:14:55,921 --> 00:14:58,561 while exploring every shade of gray 235 00:14:58,681 --> 00:15:02,201 from deepest dark to blinding, dissolving white. 236 00:15:02,321 --> 00:15:06,081 - Mr Fassbinder, good luck with your film. - Thanks. 237 00:15:07,081 --> 00:15:10,721 It'll be quick, simple and unconventional. 238 00:15:12,041 --> 00:15:14,001 - Bye, Mr Fassbinder. - Thanks. 239 00:15:17,641 --> 00:15:18,881 Boo! 240 00:15:19,801 --> 00:15:21,081 Shit! 241 00:15:22,121 --> 00:15:26,881 I have the honor of introducing the film's star and its director... 242 00:15:27,001 --> 00:15:29,641 Ulli Lommel and Rainer Werner Fassbinder. 243 00:15:36,681 --> 00:15:38,441 Did you like it? 244 00:15:44,721 --> 00:15:46,561 Where's the director? 245 00:15:55,561 --> 00:15:58,441 We wanted the film to make millions. 246 00:15:58,561 --> 00:16:02,201 We thought it would be an international success. 247 00:16:02,321 --> 00:16:08,641 We were convinced it would be a huge hit. 248 00:16:08,761 --> 00:16:11,961 That's the only way you can survive a production like that. 249 00:16:15,561 --> 00:16:17,881 Of course he was bitter. 250 00:16:18,001 --> 00:16:19,881 Sure he was angry and bitter. 251 00:16:20,001 --> 00:16:25,441 But he wasn't going to give up on his potential and slink off, 252 00:16:25,561 --> 00:16:29,601 his tail between his legs, saying, "I quit." It was just taking off. 253 00:16:30,721 --> 00:16:35,561 Harry! If I'd known, I'd have taken the afternoon off. 254 00:16:35,681 --> 00:16:38,761 Know what I was thinking on the way over? 255 00:16:38,881 --> 00:16:42,801 Someone who'd never do what we're doing is Rainer. 256 00:16:42,921 --> 00:16:44,881 He'd say, "Here, stick it!" 257 00:16:46,881 --> 00:16:48,281 Hey there! 258 00:16:48,401 --> 00:16:52,001 I'm not doing an interview with a director! No way! 259 00:16:52,121 --> 00:16:54,921 He used to say, "No one takes care of me, either." 260 00:16:55,041 --> 00:16:58,401 Which wasn't true. Everyone did. 261 00:16:59,001 --> 00:17:03,721 I wanted to make Baal. I was in pre-production 262 00:17:03,841 --> 00:17:07,321 and looking for someone for the lead. 263 00:17:07,441 --> 00:17:09,961 Anyway, Rainer screened the answer print 264 00:17:10,041 --> 00:17:11,601 DIRECTOR 265 00:17:11,681 --> 00:17:13,001 of Love is Colder Than Death... 266 00:17:13,081 --> 00:17:16,721 at a now-defunct cinema on Thierschstrasse. 267 00:17:16,841 --> 00:17:19,441 I saw the film there. 268 00:17:19,561 --> 00:17:23,761 And it was clear that his screen-presence was so strong... 269 00:17:23,881 --> 00:17:27,161 I didn't need to do a screen test or anything. 270 00:17:28,121 --> 00:17:30,641 We quickly agreed. 271 00:17:30,761 --> 00:17:34,841 The condition was I'd hire as many of his people as possible. 272 00:17:34,961 --> 00:17:39,081 He said, "If we rehearse for two weeks," as I'd suggested, 273 00:17:39,201 --> 00:17:42,921 "then film for three, I'm gone five weeks. 274 00:17:43,041 --> 00:17:45,361 What will my troupe do? 275 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:49,961 They need to eat. I have to feed them somehow." 276 00:17:50,081 --> 00:17:56,801 So I cast a lot of them in roles I hadn't yet filled. 277 00:17:56,921 --> 00:18:02,321 He also wanted his people to come and see all the rushes, 278 00:18:02,441 --> 00:18:04,761 the first cut, the second cut... 279 00:18:04,881 --> 00:18:08,161 They all had to come, both cast and crew. 280 00:18:08,281 --> 00:18:10,561 He wanted them to learn from it. 281 00:18:10,681 --> 00:18:13,601 To him it was like a big workshop. 282 00:18:13,721 --> 00:18:17,441 Was he difficult when his people were around? 283 00:18:17,561 --> 00:18:19,641 His worst tantrum was... 284 00:18:21,241 --> 00:18:27,041 when he saw that taxes had been deducted from his wages. 285 00:18:27,961 --> 00:18:30,281 He ripped it all up, threw it away, 286 00:18:30,401 --> 00:18:33,961 and told me, "I can't work like this. 287 00:18:34,081 --> 00:18:37,721 Everything gets paid gross, not net!" 288 00:18:37,841 --> 00:18:42,801 And that's how he produced his next three or four films, 289 00:18:42,921 --> 00:18:44,841 like the previous ones. 290 00:18:44,961 --> 00:18:48,561 He didn't keep a single receipt or anything. 291 00:18:48,681 --> 00:18:50,281 In fact that saved him. 292 00:18:50,401 --> 00:18:54,161 A few years later, when people realized it, 293 00:18:54,281 --> 00:18:57,081 the taxmen had no evidence against him. 294 00:19:05,121 --> 00:19:07,921 Colleagues like Schlondorff... 295 00:19:08,041 --> 00:19:14,601 who'd prepared Baal, and then started shooting three days later... 296 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:17,881 When he saw it he was blown away. 297 00:19:18,001 --> 00:19:21,521 Because five weeks after his last film screened... 298 00:19:21,641 --> 00:19:24,921 at the Berlinale, there was already another. 299 00:19:25,041 --> 00:19:28,081 I always said, and still do, 300 00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:31,161 if you have to make films, then you make them. 301 00:19:32,561 --> 00:19:35,041 Where in Greece are you from? 302 00:19:36,601 --> 00:19:38,721 - What town? - Piraeus. 303 00:19:41,361 --> 00:19:45,321 - Aren't there any jobs there? - Jobs, yes, but no money. 304 00:19:45,441 --> 00:19:48,801 It's a political statement, too. 305 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:51,601 This Greek who comes here from Greece 306 00:19:51,721 --> 00:19:57,481 and steals our women, in a manner of speaking, 307 00:19:57,601 --> 00:20:00,801 and fucks better than us... 308 00:20:00,921 --> 00:20:05,921 We are depicted as dumb, awkward, backward Bavarians, 309 00:20:06,041 --> 00:20:09,441 who gang up and give the Greek a beating. 310 00:20:10,921 --> 00:20:11,961 What? 311 00:20:12,081 --> 00:20:17,201 I see it as a protest against the stupid reactions at the Berlinale, 312 00:20:17,321 --> 00:20:20,361 where the critics went on about 313 00:20:20,481 --> 00:20:23,801 how static it was, the shots were so slow. 314 00:20:24,801 --> 00:20:28,321 So I made Katzelmacher even more static and slow. 315 00:20:28,441 --> 00:20:32,561 Besides which, it was right for the material. 316 00:20:32,681 --> 00:20:35,881 With Rainer Werner, it had to be unique. 317 00:20:36,001 --> 00:20:39,081 And in that respect I think Rainer Werner 318 00:20:40,681 --> 00:20:45,041 belonged to a German and European art tradition... 319 00:20:46,081 --> 00:20:50,161 You have to create something that's never before been done. 320 00:20:50,761 --> 00:20:52,161 Aesthetically, too. 321 00:20:52,281 --> 00:20:54,081 Dietrich Lohmann told me 322 00:20:54,201 --> 00:20:57,681 how a reel of Katzelmacher had been incorrectly exposed. 323 00:20:59,881 --> 00:21:00,921 God! 324 00:21:01,041 --> 00:21:02,921 And Rainer Werner said, 325 00:21:03,041 --> 00:21:07,081 "That's wonderful, a first. Incorrectly exposed. 326 00:21:07,201 --> 00:21:09,961 Everyone will think it's intentional." 327 00:21:10,081 --> 00:21:15,201 We won the German Film Award for Katzelmacher 328 00:21:15,321 --> 00:21:18,321 and gained a certain popularity. 329 00:21:18,441 --> 00:21:23,001 At a certain point Fassbinder was even very visible in the press. 330 00:21:23,121 --> 00:21:26,481 Back in the early days... 331 00:21:26,561 --> 00:21:28,681 HEAD OF WRD TV (65-79) 332 00:21:28,761 --> 00:21:31,201 both in public and in private, 333 00:21:31,321 --> 00:21:35,321 Fassbinder was a kind of anti-hero. 334 00:21:35,441 --> 00:21:40,641 He played the part... He always behaved like a rock star... 335 00:21:40,761 --> 00:21:45,561 a sullen, temperamental rock star 336 00:21:46,961 --> 00:21:51,121 with a certain tangible aggression, 337 00:21:52,321 --> 00:21:54,681 in a leather jacket and all, 338 00:21:54,801 --> 00:21:57,041 playing the big shot. 339 00:21:57,161 --> 00:22:01,001 So he came to see us at WDR. 340 00:22:01,121 --> 00:22:05,001 It can't have been easy for him to meet with us TV people, 341 00:22:05,121 --> 00:22:09,361 whose money he wanted and needed 342 00:22:09,481 --> 00:22:12,001 in order to make his films. 343 00:22:12,121 --> 00:22:15,761 But he came and we talked. 344 00:22:15,881 --> 00:22:20,641 I asked if he'd like a drink. He said, "I wouldn't mind a whiskey." 345 00:22:20,761 --> 00:22:25,561 Then he spent, I don't know, an hour with me. 346 00:22:25,681 --> 00:22:28,001 And in that hour 347 00:22:28,121 --> 00:22:30,961 he smoked at least 20 cigarettes 348 00:22:32,001 --> 00:22:33,961 and drank half a bottle of whiskey. 349 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:39,361 From every side, particularly WDR TV and its subsidiaries, 350 00:22:39,481 --> 00:22:44,601 there was always money coming in. 351 00:22:44,721 --> 00:22:47,041 Films cost money, after all. 352 00:22:47,161 --> 00:22:48,761 And... 353 00:22:49,961 --> 00:22:52,361 that's how so many films got made. 354 00:22:52,481 --> 00:22:55,281 This frenzy of production... 355 00:22:55,401 --> 00:23:00,681 we experienced it as something that became more and more focused on him. 356 00:23:00,801 --> 00:23:05,361 Do you think that the qualities of the author, director, 357 00:23:05,481 --> 00:23:08,441 and all-round man, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 358 00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:11,361 Munich's poster boy of the subculture, 359 00:23:11,481 --> 00:23:15,161 will lead to a Fassbinder inflation? 360 00:23:15,281 --> 00:23:18,281 Absolutely. No doubt about it. 361 00:23:20,081 --> 00:23:22,041 GODS OF THE PLAGUE 362 00:23:22,161 --> 00:23:23,961 THE AMERICAN SOLDIER 363 00:23:28,001 --> 00:23:29,681 THE NIKLASHAUSEN JOURNEY 364 00:23:29,801 --> 00:23:32,121 WHY DOES HERR R. RUN AMOK? 365 00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:33,681 BEWARE OF A HOLY WHORE 366 00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:36,721 There's an energy, 367 00:23:36,841 --> 00:23:38,281 a necessity - 368 00:23:38,401 --> 00:23:40,281 it has to come out - 369 00:23:40,401 --> 00:23:42,921 and the strength to articulate them. 370 00:23:43,041 --> 00:23:46,121 And he'd mastered the instruments 371 00:23:46,881 --> 00:23:49,481 to do so. And it was obvious 372 00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:52,121 he'd go his own way. 373 00:23:52,241 --> 00:23:55,401 It wouldn't work with a 30-man crew. 374 00:23:55,521 --> 00:23:57,481 It worked because 375 00:23:57,601 --> 00:24:01,201 the actors also had other jobs to do. 376 00:24:01,321 --> 00:24:06,161 Kurt Raab was a brilliant actor, and also the production designer. 377 00:24:06,281 --> 00:24:11,481 Mr Baer was an amateur actor, who'd do anything for a part, 378 00:24:11,601 --> 00:24:14,721 and also worked as assistant director or production manager. 379 00:24:14,841 --> 00:24:20,601 Everyone had two or three functions, 380 00:24:20,721 --> 00:24:24,041 and as a result they could work very quickly and efficiently. 381 00:24:25,121 --> 00:24:30,161 The sense of community was very present. 382 00:24:30,281 --> 00:24:33,921 At Stollbergstrasse we really tried 383 00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:37,041 to live as a commune. 384 00:24:38,201 --> 00:24:41,081 It was fascinating, the discussions... 385 00:24:41,201 --> 00:24:45,801 What we would do and how was discussed beforehand. 386 00:24:45,921 --> 00:24:47,761 We had a big flat. 387 00:24:47,881 --> 00:24:51,961 First a small one with Peer Raben and Stratz and me. 388 00:24:52,081 --> 00:24:54,881 - In one small flat? - Yes, for a while. 389 00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:58,001 Then we lived near the Nymphenburger canal, 390 00:24:58,121 --> 00:25:00,961 just Peer Raben, him, me, 391 00:25:01,081 --> 00:25:04,521 and Stratz sometimes stayed. It was a bigger place. 392 00:25:04,641 --> 00:25:09,401 I often visited the villa, of course, and the apartment in Lehel, but... 393 00:25:12,801 --> 00:25:14,601 I was... 394 00:25:15,801 --> 00:25:17,761 It was good I didn't live there. 395 00:25:18,561 --> 00:25:21,961 We would have killed each other. 396 00:25:24,961 --> 00:25:27,681 I wouldn't have had the emotional strength 397 00:25:27,801 --> 00:25:33,521 to live 24 hours a day with an entire troupe 398 00:25:33,641 --> 00:25:38,161 and to participate in working out group conflicts, 399 00:25:38,281 --> 00:25:42,121 plus do my own work, and make all that the centre of my work. 400 00:25:43,561 --> 00:25:45,841 I love him. 401 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:47,201 More than ever! 402 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:53,801 I can't exist without him in my head. 403 00:25:53,921 --> 00:26:00,481 I first met him on the production of The Coffeehouse, 404 00:26:00,561 --> 00:26:02,121 ACTRESS 405 00:26:02,201 --> 00:26:04,881 a play adapted from Goldoni. 406 00:26:06,561 --> 00:26:09,721 It was based on that, although the dialogue, 407 00:26:09,841 --> 00:26:13,201 as far as I can remember, 408 00:26:14,161 --> 00:26:19,481 was strongly based on his own intuition. 409 00:26:19,601 --> 00:26:22,881 It was a really important experience for us, 410 00:26:23,001 --> 00:26:27,401 seeing that it was possible 411 00:26:27,521 --> 00:26:30,361 to work with actors who were not group members, 412 00:26:30,481 --> 00:26:35,521 to create something special, specific and original. 413 00:26:36,121 --> 00:26:41,281 He gave me the leading role in everything we did... 414 00:26:43,001 --> 00:26:46,081 and I slowly found my way. 415 00:26:48,121 --> 00:26:50,961 That all sounds so harmonious. 416 00:26:51,081 --> 00:26:53,281 Yes... No, no. 417 00:26:53,401 --> 00:26:57,361 Well, it was more like... More like... 418 00:26:57,481 --> 00:26:59,641 a sort of education. 419 00:27:00,761 --> 00:27:03,161 For example, he... 420 00:27:03,281 --> 00:27:07,601 It was really mean of him, cruel. 421 00:27:07,721 --> 00:27:12,321 At night, after our performances, after we'd appeared on stage, 422 00:27:12,441 --> 00:27:16,201 he'd take a piece of paper and fold it several times, 423 00:27:16,321 --> 00:27:21,961 write our names, and each of us had to mark the other actors 424 00:27:23,081 --> 00:27:25,561 on their performance that evening. 425 00:27:26,201 --> 00:27:29,601 And we'd all enter our marks. 426 00:27:29,721 --> 00:27:32,601 Then we'd unfold the sheet 427 00:27:32,721 --> 00:27:34,761 and see who had won. 428 00:27:35,881 --> 00:27:37,721 Most of the time I won. 429 00:27:38,761 --> 00:27:42,721 It was so awkward. They were all... 430 00:27:42,841 --> 00:27:44,801 so afraid of him. 431 00:27:44,921 --> 00:27:48,521 They'd try to mark the way he wanted. 432 00:27:48,641 --> 00:27:51,681 THE AMERICAN SOLDIER 433 00:27:57,441 --> 00:27:59,161 Oh, it's... 434 00:27:59,281 --> 00:28:03,641 Isn't this The American Soldier? 435 00:28:03,761 --> 00:28:06,761 The role of Ricky, the German-American Vietnam vet, 436 00:28:06,881 --> 00:28:10,401 was written by Fassbinder for Gunther Kaufmann. 437 00:28:10,521 --> 00:28:14,521 He met him doing Baal, 438 00:28:15,561 --> 00:28:19,401 and wanted him, but Gunther kept a distance. 439 00:28:20,841 --> 00:28:23,361 Gunther was married, and... 440 00:28:25,401 --> 00:28:29,081 Fassbinder was hot for him, for this black man. 441 00:28:31,921 --> 00:28:33,561 What's he doing there? 442 00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:43,641 There I am. 443 00:28:43,761 --> 00:28:46,521 I didn't realize I was naked so often. 444 00:28:47,961 --> 00:28:49,561 It was never shown... 445 00:28:50,721 --> 00:28:53,041 The scene isn't in the film. 446 00:28:53,161 --> 00:28:54,481 It isn't in it? 447 00:28:55,641 --> 00:29:02,081 I quit the film because I couldn't stand being naked so much, 448 00:29:02,201 --> 00:29:05,001 and filmed from below, you know. 449 00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:07,281 He interrupted filming... 450 00:29:07,401 --> 00:29:10,881 because he couldn't use the scenes with us in them. 451 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:13,201 He chose then to announce 452 00:29:13,321 --> 00:29:17,161 he was marrying Ingrid Caven. 453 00:29:18,761 --> 00:29:21,281 We should never have married. 454 00:29:21,401 --> 00:29:24,961 We got on better before and after 455 00:29:25,561 --> 00:29:27,041 than during our marriage. 456 00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:30,641 A strange mechanism took over, 457 00:29:30,761 --> 00:29:33,561 one I wouldn't have expected with us: 458 00:29:33,681 --> 00:29:40,321 It was this weird possessiveness 459 00:29:40,441 --> 00:29:43,281 that strangely took over. 460 00:29:44,161 --> 00:29:46,361 After our divorce... 461 00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:48,161 it disappeared again. 462 00:29:51,921 --> 00:29:56,921 They came here after the wedding, he and Ingrid. 463 00:29:57,041 --> 00:29:59,001 Both came here that day. 464 00:29:59,121 --> 00:30:00,681 With Kaufmann, too. 465 00:30:01,361 --> 00:30:02,881 They were already... 466 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:05,601 Ingrid, at least, was sloshed. 467 00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:08,521 She suddenly said, 468 00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:13,041 "Just so you know, we have great sex together!" 469 00:30:13,161 --> 00:30:15,561 I wanted to sink into the ground 470 00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:19,161 because OK, you can do sexual things. 471 00:30:19,281 --> 00:30:21,801 But you don't talk about them. 472 00:30:25,681 --> 00:30:29,201 He had a real relationship with Ingrid. 473 00:30:29,321 --> 00:30:33,641 And he had one with Kaufmann, too. He wanted to have both. 474 00:30:43,201 --> 00:30:46,361 Then Kaufmann went back to his wife. 475 00:30:46,481 --> 00:30:48,561 He was married, after all. 476 00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:50,881 When Rainer found out, 477 00:30:51,001 --> 00:30:53,121 he fired him. 478 00:30:53,961 --> 00:30:57,561 You cow! You're as lousy as some third-rate ham actor. 479 00:30:57,681 --> 00:31:00,641 Katrin, you take the role! 480 00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:05,681 I knew nothing about homosexuality. 481 00:31:05,801 --> 00:31:08,481 I didn't realize he was homosexual. 482 00:31:08,601 --> 00:31:10,601 And anyway he was bi. 483 00:31:10,721 --> 00:31:12,721 That is, he was... 484 00:31:12,841 --> 00:31:14,921 I mean, he was a real man. 485 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:19,321 I didn't think, "He's weird, homosexual." 486 00:31:19,441 --> 00:31:22,081 He invited me to Paris. 487 00:31:23,881 --> 00:31:27,641 Of course he tried to get it on in our hotel double bed. 488 00:31:27,761 --> 00:31:31,281 I turned away, I didn't know how to respond. 489 00:31:31,961 --> 00:31:33,921 It was alien to me. 490 00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:38,521 The next day he rewarded me with a trip to the sauna. 491 00:31:38,641 --> 00:31:40,481 A gay sauna, of course. 492 00:31:41,321 --> 00:31:43,241 I had no idea what was up. 493 00:31:43,361 --> 00:31:48,801 I found myself surrounded by five or six French and Arab men, 494 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:53,201 each latched on to one of my orifices. So I fled, 495 00:31:54,201 --> 00:31:57,801 and landed in the arms of an older man. 496 00:31:58,921 --> 00:32:02,081 That was my first time. 497 00:32:03,561 --> 00:32:09,161 But it was the only disagreement I had with him about that. 498 00:32:09,281 --> 00:32:12,401 What happened? He'd taken you there to... 499 00:32:12,521 --> 00:32:17,201 He watched, amusing himself royally. I could hear him laughing. 500 00:32:23,881 --> 00:32:27,841 That's when we filmed the group's swansong. 501 00:32:27,961 --> 00:32:29,321 What was it called? 502 00:32:31,001 --> 00:32:33,841 Beware of a Holy Whore. 503 00:32:35,681 --> 00:32:40,201 Each of us wondered if we were the holy whore. 504 00:32:41,361 --> 00:32:44,681 He gave everyone someone else's voice. 505 00:32:44,801 --> 00:32:46,441 But he left me mine. 506 00:32:46,561 --> 00:32:51,481 For example, he gave Magdalena Montezuma 507 00:32:51,601 --> 00:32:54,841 - Irm's voice. - Not just her voice. 508 00:32:54,961 --> 00:32:57,001 - The role, too. - The role, too. 509 00:32:57,121 --> 00:33:01,241 He had himself played by someone else, too, 510 00:33:01,361 --> 00:33:04,961 while he played the production manager. 511 00:33:05,081 --> 00:33:08,281 You exploit me, then leave me high and dry. 512 00:33:08,401 --> 00:33:11,681 You terrorize me, you bastards! You're killing me! 513 00:33:11,801 --> 00:33:14,481 I hate you! Korbinian! 514 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:18,001 I want ten Cuba Libres! Ten, do you hear? 515 00:33:19,481 --> 00:33:22,761 I kept abreast of things by phone, 516 00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:28,001 the goings-on in Sorrento or wherever it was. 517 00:33:28,121 --> 00:33:33,761 The pattern was always the same: humiliation, praise, praise, humiliation. 518 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:38,801 Create dependency, exclude, then accept back into the group. 519 00:33:38,921 --> 00:33:44,721 An endless cycle of emotional power struggles. 520 00:33:45,681 --> 00:33:47,841 Of course he knew perfectly well, 521 00:33:48,321 --> 00:33:51,801 these power struggles simply reflected 522 00:33:51,921 --> 00:33:54,601 what takes place everywhere in society. 523 00:33:54,721 --> 00:33:58,401 Which is why he never had moral scruples 524 00:33:58,521 --> 00:34:00,921 about really laying into you. 525 00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:06,041 He said, "I'm only doing what constantly happens in society." 526 00:34:06,161 --> 00:34:08,681 If someone was on the floor whimpering, 527 00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:12,081 he'd say, "You coward, why are you whimpering? 528 00:34:12,201 --> 00:34:15,241 Why don't you get up and defend yourself?" 529 00:34:15,361 --> 00:34:18,241 You know, make a fist and fight. 530 00:34:18,361 --> 00:34:22,281 The film sets were often battlefields. 531 00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:28,721 I wasn't involved because I didn't belong to the clique. 532 00:34:29,761 --> 00:34:32,561 I was never dependent on him. 533 00:34:32,681 --> 00:34:35,961 Of course, as part of his group... 534 00:34:36,081 --> 00:34:42,281 you were dependent on whether he would think of you when casting his next film, 535 00:34:43,681 --> 00:34:48,521 whether he had a decent part for you. 536 00:34:48,641 --> 00:34:53,161 So you clung to these hopes and to his every word. 537 00:34:54,561 --> 00:34:58,121 Anyway, directing is about playing God. 538 00:34:58,241 --> 00:35:01,561 Everyone does what you tell them to. 539 00:35:01,681 --> 00:35:03,041 And so... 540 00:35:03,921 --> 00:35:08,281 it's easy for them to become your creatures. 541 00:35:09,721 --> 00:35:13,521 Fassbinder was a man with many people in his thrall. 542 00:35:14,961 --> 00:35:18,401 It's not an expression people use anymore. 543 00:35:18,521 --> 00:35:20,081 "Enthralled." 544 00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:24,961 Here you have a better chance of having fun at work. 545 00:35:26,321 --> 00:35:27,801 Try to understand. 546 00:35:29,641 --> 00:35:32,721 That's true, but we're still dependent on you. 547 00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:37,001 And dependency leads to the same fear we'd fled from. 548 00:35:37,921 --> 00:35:40,401 Why are you dependent? 549 00:35:40,521 --> 00:35:45,921 I think it's an example of the group psychology you often see. 550 00:35:46,881 --> 00:35:50,121 Selfish alpha animals 551 00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:53,921 who attract packs around them. 552 00:35:54,041 --> 00:35:58,961 Maybe such people do exist, the born followers. 553 00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:01,641 Loyal vassals? 554 00:36:02,281 --> 00:36:03,361 Yes? 555 00:36:05,601 --> 00:36:08,641 I guess you could say I was at my... 556 00:36:10,201 --> 00:36:12,961 apogee as an actor. 557 00:36:13,081 --> 00:36:16,961 I needed someone to tell me, "Screw Fassbinder! 558 00:36:17,081 --> 00:36:20,721 Why be at his beck and call as assistant director?" 559 00:36:21,161 --> 00:36:25,921 But there was no such person to give me a shake 560 00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:29,721 and say, "I'm kicking you upstairs." 561 00:36:30,441 --> 00:36:32,401 And for me it was... 562 00:36:33,481 --> 00:36:34,481 I... 563 00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:37,681 I liked working with Fassbinder. 564 00:36:37,801 --> 00:36:42,041 It's not like I was being forced to do anything. 565 00:36:42,161 --> 00:36:46,161 And there was always something to do, that's another thing. 566 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:54,361 If you can find a lawyer, I think you'd better hire one. 567 00:36:55,201 --> 00:36:58,281 Fassbinder went on making films while losing money. 568 00:36:58,401 --> 00:37:03,041 Cash flow problems led to debts he was slow to shake off. 569 00:37:03,881 --> 00:37:07,161 "Taxes? Why should we pay taxes? 570 00:37:07,281 --> 00:37:10,201 You pigs build tanks so you can... 571 00:37:10,321 --> 00:37:11,481 Forget it!" 572 00:37:11,601 --> 00:37:14,681 He didn't think about the taxmen. 573 00:37:14,801 --> 00:37:16,881 But later they came after him. 574 00:37:17,841 --> 00:37:20,481 He's threatened with prison. 575 00:37:20,601 --> 00:37:23,121 He owes over 200,000 marks. 576 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,121 To bring order to company finances, 577 00:37:26,241 --> 00:37:28,601 Fassbinder's mother, Lilo Eder, 578 00:37:28,721 --> 00:37:31,241 steps in as production accountant. 579 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:34,241 She dedicated herself to him. 580 00:37:34,361 --> 00:37:36,801 Her husband had passed away, 581 00:37:38,841 --> 00:37:42,321 so Rainer became the one. 582 00:37:42,441 --> 00:37:46,281 TABLE TENNIS FIVE DAYS IN THE LIFE OF A CHILD 583 00:37:46,401 --> 00:37:49,321 It takes place at Schwedenheim boarding school. 584 00:37:49,921 --> 00:37:54,361 The mother tries to make the school seem appealing to him and the girls... 585 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:58,041 You can tell that Franz is Fassbinder's alter ego? 586 00:37:58,161 --> 00:38:00,441 Certainly. Immediately. 587 00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:03,201 It's obvious that he is Franz. 588 00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:09,481 "Franz is carrying two suitcases. Mother: It's nice here, isn't it? 589 00:38:09,601 --> 00:38:11,521 Trees, lots of green. 590 00:38:12,321 --> 00:38:15,361 Franz: Why not move in here yourself? 591 00:38:16,521 --> 00:38:17,761 Mother: 592 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:22,721 Why are you always so mean, Franz? You know my life isn't easy. 593 00:38:23,361 --> 00:38:26,121 Franz: Sure. No one's life is easy. 594 00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:30,681 Mother: But things are much better than they were." 595 00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:36,401 He was always on the lookout for stories. 596 00:38:36,961 --> 00:38:40,281 He would always, or often... 597 00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,881 carry a little notepad 598 00:38:44,001 --> 00:38:47,481 and make notes so he'd remember things. 599 00:38:48,401 --> 00:38:52,481 That's why he always kept to one side. 600 00:38:52,601 --> 00:38:57,081 Judging from what I read here, it was to observe events better. 601 00:39:00,161 --> 00:39:01,161 "Helga: 602 00:39:01,281 --> 00:39:04,881 So I said he should tell me, 'I love you.' 603 00:39:05,001 --> 00:39:06,441 Waltraud: 604 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:09,001 Well? Did he say it? 605 00:39:09,121 --> 00:39:11,041 Helga: No. 606 00:39:11,161 --> 00:39:12,681 I think that's mean. 607 00:39:12,801 --> 00:39:14,161 I don't. 608 00:39:14,281 --> 00:39:18,001 This way I can go on thinking he loves me. 609 00:39:18,121 --> 00:39:20,161 Right. Love." 610 00:39:20,881 --> 00:39:24,241 Very realistic in terms of life there. 611 00:39:24,361 --> 00:39:25,641 - Yes? - Yes. 612 00:39:25,761 --> 00:39:29,121 Though I don't know about the bit with his mother. 613 00:39:29,241 --> 00:39:33,001 I didn't know her, so I can't judge their relationship. 614 00:39:36,361 --> 00:39:40,361 "The mother brings out the letter. Franz reads it. 615 00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:42,721 Franz: Given this situation, 616 00:39:42,841 --> 00:39:47,401 we can no longer keep your son at our school. 617 00:39:48,281 --> 00:39:52,401 Mother: Do an apprenticeship, become a respectable youth. 618 00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:56,241 I always hoped you'd turn out to be respectable." 619 00:39:56,961 --> 00:40:00,081 In your opinion, did he turn out respectable? 620 00:40:01,801 --> 00:40:05,401 The way he did his thing, practiced his profession, 621 00:40:05,521 --> 00:40:09,881 yes, he turned out respectable, like his mother wanted. 622 00:40:11,361 --> 00:40:12,641 THE BITTER TEARS OF PETRA VON KANT 623 00:40:12,761 --> 00:40:13,841 MERCHANT OF FOUR SEASONS 624 00:40:13,961 --> 00:40:15,481 JAILBAIT 625 00:40:15,601 --> 00:40:17,001 EIGHT HOURS DON'T MAKE A DAY 626 00:40:21,921 --> 00:40:23,361 MOTHER KUSTERS' TRIP TO HEAVEN 627 00:40:23,481 --> 00:40:24,841 I ONLY WANT YOU TO LOVE ME 628 00:40:25,281 --> 00:40:28,081 I don't like to speak badly of him, 629 00:40:28,201 --> 00:40:30,641 even though he was no angel. 630 00:40:31,321 --> 00:40:33,041 Yet he was an angel, too. 631 00:40:33,161 --> 00:40:39,001 For most of us, most of those involved with him, he made life... 632 00:40:39,121 --> 00:40:42,161 much more interesting than it had been. 633 00:40:48,481 --> 00:40:51,881 "You're probably in bed with a girl right now. 634 00:40:52,001 --> 00:40:54,161 Or is it a man again? 635 00:40:55,081 --> 00:40:57,921 You're stroking her smooth skin and hips... 636 00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:02,401 her thighs, belly, breasts... You kiss her hair, eyes, the... 637 00:41:03,441 --> 00:41:05,961 Shit. Stop. I can't stand it. 638 00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:10,201 When you didn't come, didn't smile, 639 00:41:10,321 --> 00:41:11,921 didn't speak of love... 640 00:41:12,721 --> 00:41:17,321 When I had to give up thinking of you as something real, 641 00:41:18,241 --> 00:41:20,281 I said to myself, 642 00:41:20,401 --> 00:41:22,881 'l have to die to make him love me."' 643 00:41:25,921 --> 00:41:27,761 What can you say? 644 00:41:28,961 --> 00:41:30,801 A powerful text. Wonderful. 645 00:41:32,161 --> 00:41:34,041 To me it's great poetry. 646 00:41:34,801 --> 00:41:36,201 Great writing. 647 00:41:36,921 --> 00:41:38,721 Any idea who it was meant for? 648 00:41:38,841 --> 00:41:40,281 AGONY 649 00:41:40,401 --> 00:41:44,001 Yes, I can imagine who. 650 00:41:44,681 --> 00:41:46,961 It dates back to then, I think. 651 00:41:47,081 --> 00:41:51,081 Just imagine, his big black hands on my white skin. 652 00:41:52,281 --> 00:41:54,321 And those lips! 653 00:41:54,441 --> 00:41:56,961 You know, Negroes all have thick, warm lips. 654 00:42:05,001 --> 00:42:07,081 Don't faint, darling! 655 00:42:09,321 --> 00:42:12,761 Stop staring, you cow! Bring the newspapers! 656 00:42:13,401 --> 00:42:17,401 What I didn't know then, and Willi didn't tell me, 657 00:42:17,521 --> 00:42:22,401 was that it was all an analysis of Rainer's love life. 658 00:42:23,641 --> 00:42:25,481 I didn't know that. 659 00:42:27,201 --> 00:42:29,521 What do you mean, Rainer's love life? 660 00:42:30,241 --> 00:42:33,121 Because he was Petra. Rainer was. 661 00:42:35,801 --> 00:42:37,161 I didn't know that. 662 00:42:37,281 --> 00:42:39,321 We said we'd be honest with each other. 663 00:42:40,361 --> 00:42:42,521 But you can't take it. 664 00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:44,601 You want to be lied to. 665 00:42:46,841 --> 00:42:48,201 Yes. 666 00:42:49,121 --> 00:42:50,521 Lie to me. 667 00:42:52,161 --> 00:42:53,801 Please lie to me. 668 00:42:59,281 --> 00:43:01,441 Fine. It's not true. 669 00:43:03,321 --> 00:43:05,721 I spent the night walking alone, 670 00:43:05,841 --> 00:43:07,961 thinking about us. 671 00:43:10,441 --> 00:43:12,001 Really? 672 00:43:14,241 --> 00:43:16,241 That's not true? 673 00:43:17,241 --> 00:43:18,801 Of course not. 674 00:43:19,801 --> 00:43:22,361 I did sleep with a guy. 675 00:43:22,481 --> 00:43:24,721 But it doesn't matter does it? 676 00:43:25,921 --> 00:43:27,841 No, no. 677 00:43:27,961 --> 00:43:29,841 Of course not. 678 00:43:30,401 --> 00:43:31,881 But... 679 00:43:35,161 --> 00:43:37,081 I don't understand. 680 00:43:39,401 --> 00:43:40,921 Really. 681 00:43:42,361 --> 00:43:44,401 I don't understand. 682 00:43:49,161 --> 00:43:50,841 Why? 683 00:43:56,281 --> 00:43:57,761 Why? 684 00:44:12,601 --> 00:44:14,321 Don't cry, Petra. 685 00:44:16,921 --> 00:44:19,961 Look, I like you. I love you, but... 686 00:44:22,561 --> 00:44:24,281 But it's obvious. 687 00:44:24,401 --> 00:44:26,801 I need a man from time to time. 688 00:44:26,921 --> 00:44:28,281 That's how I am. 689 00:44:28,401 --> 00:44:31,681 There were no explanations and no rehearsals. 690 00:44:32,641 --> 00:44:36,401 He wanted the people who interact to be individuals. 691 00:44:36,521 --> 00:44:39,121 I think Rainer always wanted 692 00:44:39,241 --> 00:44:42,441 to let people be as different as possible... 693 00:44:43,761 --> 00:44:46,481 so as to somehow... 694 00:44:46,601 --> 00:44:50,281 characterize and maybe even denounce them. 695 00:44:50,401 --> 00:44:53,361 I liked that, I thought it was great. 696 00:44:53,481 --> 00:44:58,201 Drawing characters so clearly that they're also being denounced. 697 00:44:58,321 --> 00:45:01,521 I simply took in what Margit was saying. 698 00:45:01,641 --> 00:45:04,601 And then I reacted to it. 699 00:45:04,721 --> 00:45:06,161 That's easy for me, 700 00:45:07,201 --> 00:45:11,801 reacting to what other people say. 701 00:45:13,281 --> 00:45:16,001 In those nine days of shooting, 702 00:45:16,121 --> 00:45:18,201 he made a total wreck of me. 703 00:45:18,321 --> 00:45:22,121 Time after time he managed to reduce me to tears. 704 00:45:22,241 --> 00:45:27,721 The poor makeup artist had to keep redoing my makeup 705 00:45:27,841 --> 00:45:30,041 because the tears were streaming. 706 00:45:30,161 --> 00:45:34,481 He reduced me to a mental state 707 00:45:34,601 --> 00:45:38,161 of complete depression for those nine days. 708 00:45:38,281 --> 00:45:42,561 - Though it wasn't necessary. - How did he make you cry? 709 00:45:42,681 --> 00:45:46,401 By divulging intimate details in front of 50 people. 710 00:45:46,521 --> 00:45:50,121 It was a game he liked to play. Not just with me. 711 00:45:50,241 --> 00:45:55,641 One time he threw me by telling me to learn a text by heart... 712 00:45:55,761 --> 00:46:00,041 It was this long. And that was right before the shoot. 713 00:46:00,161 --> 00:46:02,841 I was supposed to learn it in minutes, 714 00:46:02,961 --> 00:46:05,161 memorize it, you know. 715 00:46:05,601 --> 00:46:06,721 Impossible. 716 00:46:07,961 --> 00:46:10,641 You're in such a state after that, 717 00:46:10,761 --> 00:46:14,001 one you could never portray. 718 00:46:15,201 --> 00:46:18,561 You're suffering horribly. 719 00:46:18,681 --> 00:46:21,201 I am so screwed. 720 00:46:22,521 --> 00:46:25,441 Dear God, what did I do to deserve this? 721 00:46:26,681 --> 00:46:28,481 Whatever did I do? 722 00:46:29,641 --> 00:46:31,121 Karin? 723 00:46:33,801 --> 00:46:35,441 These women... 724 00:46:36,881 --> 00:46:40,161 There's this wonderful quote from James Cagney. 725 00:46:40,281 --> 00:46:42,361 He once said to an actor, 726 00:46:42,481 --> 00:46:44,521 "Learn your lines, 727 00:46:44,641 --> 00:46:46,601 find your mark, 728 00:46:47,721 --> 00:46:49,681 look people in the eyes, 729 00:46:50,521 --> 00:46:52,241 tell the truth 730 00:46:53,081 --> 00:46:55,201 and don't bump into the furniture." 731 00:46:55,961 --> 00:46:57,201 That's really... 732 00:47:00,121 --> 00:47:03,841 And that was always my approach as an actor. 733 00:47:04,401 --> 00:47:05,801 Are you in or not? 734 00:47:08,041 --> 00:47:09,361 - Sure. - Well then. 735 00:47:14,321 --> 00:47:16,801 I never thought about 736 00:47:16,921 --> 00:47:19,681 what the character's backstory is, 737 00:47:19,801 --> 00:47:21,681 what he ate for breakfast... 738 00:47:21,801 --> 00:47:25,121 To me, all that Stanislavsky crap is... 739 00:47:25,241 --> 00:47:29,201 Also, I don't like working with amateur actors. 740 00:47:30,201 --> 00:47:31,521 Because... 741 00:47:32,441 --> 00:47:34,761 Because I'm trying... 742 00:47:35,401 --> 00:47:40,241 to develop a form of acting together with the actors 743 00:47:40,361 --> 00:47:43,481 that you cannot develop with amateurs. 744 00:47:43,601 --> 00:47:47,881 And it involves a development from one film to the next. 745 00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:53,041 Besides the fact that I like working with actors only as long 746 00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:57,361 as a director is inspired by the actors and vice versa. 747 00:47:57,481 --> 00:48:00,521 Due to the influence and intrusion 748 00:48:00,641 --> 00:48:03,641 of actors from outside 749 00:48:03,761 --> 00:48:07,361 and so-called stars, 750 00:48:07,481 --> 00:48:10,401 he distanced himself from me, of course. 751 00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:14,161 That is, I was a burden from the past... 752 00:48:15,281 --> 00:48:16,521 you might say. 753 00:48:18,921 --> 00:48:21,801 WORLD ON A WIRE 754 00:48:22,481 --> 00:48:26,001 The group around Rainer, and Rainer himself... 755 00:48:26,121 --> 00:48:28,521 The whole thing was like a machine. 756 00:48:29,521 --> 00:48:34,241 Like with road construction. It advances slowly but surely. 757 00:48:34,361 --> 00:48:35,761 And... 758 00:48:36,601 --> 00:48:39,041 while one film was being shot, 759 00:48:40,561 --> 00:48:44,361 the next was in development. 760 00:48:45,921 --> 00:48:50,121 It would go into pre-production, usually under Kurt Raab. 761 00:48:51,161 --> 00:48:54,681 And since something had been developed, 762 00:48:54,801 --> 00:48:57,521 it was then ready to shoot. 763 00:48:57,641 --> 00:49:01,001 So you'd jump from one project to the next. 764 00:49:01,081 --> 00:49:02,841 ASSISTANT DIRECTOR/SCREENWRITER 765 00:49:02,921 --> 00:49:04,961 Meanwhile, you'd keep working on it 766 00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:08,121 so the material would mature and you'd be ready to start. 767 00:49:08,201 --> 00:49:11,841 That's how it was when we said, 768 00:49:11,961 --> 00:49:15,641 "Now we'll write World on a Wire." 769 00:49:15,761 --> 00:49:17,961 We did it like this: 770 00:49:18,081 --> 00:49:22,241 One Friday evening around 6pm we flew to Paris, 771 00:49:22,361 --> 00:49:25,881 because at the time it was Rainer's favorite city. 772 00:49:26,801 --> 00:49:30,761 Saturday and Sunday we worked on the script, 773 00:49:30,881 --> 00:49:35,441 and on Monday caught the first flight back to Bochum. 774 00:49:35,561 --> 00:49:38,641 If everything has gone according to plan, 775 00:49:40,481 --> 00:49:44,521 he's in a straitjacket by now. 776 00:49:44,641 --> 00:49:47,881 We'd actually intended 777 00:49:48,721 --> 00:49:51,281 to write a simple, taut thriller. 778 00:49:51,401 --> 00:49:54,081 We thought we could do it. 779 00:49:55,681 --> 00:49:57,841 And we wanted to have fun, too. 780 00:49:58,681 --> 00:50:04,321 Back then we always managed, while working, to have fun. 781 00:50:04,441 --> 00:50:05,921 Really. 782 00:50:06,841 --> 00:50:11,921 We were young, we were both 27. 783 00:50:13,041 --> 00:50:14,121 And... 784 00:50:15,521 --> 00:50:18,481 we thought, we can do this. And we could. 785 00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:28,081 It was a huge adventure for me, being with this madman... 786 00:50:29,841 --> 00:50:33,361 whom others saw as a firebrand. 787 00:50:33,481 --> 00:50:35,881 It was fascinating 788 00:50:36,001 --> 00:50:40,641 and gave you access to a world you would never otherwise enter. 789 00:50:40,761 --> 00:50:42,601 The guy was so charming 790 00:50:42,721 --> 00:50:46,121 and yet such a stinker... 791 00:50:46,881 --> 00:50:49,961 a tyrant, a manipulator. 792 00:50:50,081 --> 00:50:51,641 Terrible. 793 00:50:51,761 --> 00:50:53,641 But amazing, too. 794 00:50:58,121 --> 00:51:01,841 Do your stories inhabit you long before you film them? 795 00:51:01,961 --> 00:51:04,881 Usually, yes. Most of the stories 796 00:51:05,001 --> 00:51:08,241 are there for a couple of years. 797 00:51:12,881 --> 00:51:15,801 Two years before Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, 798 00:51:15,921 --> 00:51:19,881 Fassbinder has Margarethe von Trotta tell the following story... 799 00:51:20,921 --> 00:51:22,801 Happiness isn't always funny. 800 00:51:24,321 --> 00:51:26,081 There was once a cleaning woman. 801 00:51:27,001 --> 00:51:30,041 Her name was Emmi, she was 60 or 65. 802 00:51:30,841 --> 00:51:32,601 One day, 803 00:51:33,241 --> 00:51:36,561 on her way home, it started pouring. 804 00:51:36,681 --> 00:51:38,761 So she goes into a bar, 805 00:51:39,761 --> 00:51:41,481 a bar for immigrant workers. 806 00:51:42,961 --> 00:51:44,841 She sits down and drinks a Coke. 807 00:51:46,681 --> 00:51:48,841 Suddenly a man asks her 808 00:51:49,641 --> 00:51:51,641 to dance with him. 809 00:51:52,961 --> 00:51:56,481 He's really tall, has very broad shoulders. 810 00:51:57,561 --> 00:51:59,241 And she finds him handsome 811 00:52:00,321 --> 00:52:02,241 and dances with him. 812 00:52:03,601 --> 00:52:05,881 Then he sits down with her 813 00:52:06,001 --> 00:52:07,561 and talks to her. 814 00:52:09,601 --> 00:52:11,761 He says he has nowhere to stay, 815 00:52:13,241 --> 00:52:16,281 and Emmi offers to let him stay with her. 816 00:52:18,401 --> 00:52:21,961 He goes to her place and sleeps with her. 817 00:52:23,601 --> 00:52:25,521 And a few days later 818 00:52:27,321 --> 00:52:29,561 he says they should get married. 819 00:52:30,201 --> 00:52:32,041 Why cry? 820 00:52:32,161 --> 00:52:35,361 Because I am so happy and also full of fear. 821 00:52:35,481 --> 00:52:37,361 Not fear. Fear not good. 822 00:52:37,481 --> 00:52:39,001 Fear eat the soul. 823 00:52:39,121 --> 00:52:40,961 Fear eats the soul. 824 00:52:42,161 --> 00:52:43,881 That's beautiful. 825 00:52:45,201 --> 00:52:47,001 With Fear Eats the Soul, 826 00:52:47,121 --> 00:52:52,281 I'd been close to the Moroccan lead for two years. 827 00:52:52,401 --> 00:52:56,281 And a lot of what's in the film is the reaction 828 00:52:57,161 --> 00:53:00,841 of other people to us. 829 00:53:00,961 --> 00:53:02,441 I've got married. 830 00:53:03,001 --> 00:53:04,481 Come in. 831 00:53:07,121 --> 00:53:09,201 This is my husband. 832 00:53:09,321 --> 00:53:13,401 El Hedi ben Salem m'Barek Mohammed Mustafa. 833 00:53:13,521 --> 00:53:14,601 I call him Ali. 834 00:53:14,721 --> 00:53:17,441 - Mom! - But... 835 00:53:21,521 --> 00:53:23,721 Come, Eugen. We're not staying... 836 00:53:23,841 --> 00:53:25,561 in this pigsty! 837 00:53:27,641 --> 00:53:30,121 He was Rainer's partner at the time. 838 00:53:30,921 --> 00:53:33,601 You know, boyfriend, lover, whatever. 839 00:53:34,441 --> 00:53:35,921 And... 840 00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:39,121 he had to be there, bored stiff of course. 841 00:53:39,241 --> 00:53:43,281 He had a sense of honor, a very strong sense of honor, 842 00:53:43,401 --> 00:53:48,481 and he insisted on working, on participating, 843 00:53:48,601 --> 00:53:53,281 not just sitting there in the corner as Rainer's lover. 844 00:53:54,401 --> 00:53:56,281 Rainer had to go along. 845 00:53:56,401 --> 00:53:59,361 - Do you fancy him? - He looks solid. 846 00:54:00,521 --> 00:54:02,281 At least he's well dressed. 847 00:54:03,401 --> 00:54:06,641 Judging by his nose and hands, he must be well hung. 848 00:54:07,441 --> 00:54:09,761 Marry him if you want, be my guest! 849 00:54:13,481 --> 00:54:17,921 The story has a sad ending. 850 00:54:18,041 --> 00:54:24,201 When Rainer Werner couldn't take El Hedi anymore, 851 00:54:25,721 --> 00:54:29,441 someone arranged for him to be... 852 00:54:30,481 --> 00:54:35,361 sent by the authorities to Paris, to France. 853 00:54:36,121 --> 00:54:39,881 He eventually ended up in prison and died there. 854 00:54:41,641 --> 00:54:43,641 Actually, 855 00:54:43,761 --> 00:54:45,721 it's pretty macabre, right? 856 00:54:45,841 --> 00:54:49,241 Here was this once calm guy, 857 00:54:50,081 --> 00:54:53,881 who couldn't get along with people in the West. 858 00:54:54,001 --> 00:54:58,721 Who knows what would have become of him if he'd stayed back home? 859 00:55:08,521 --> 00:55:11,521 In 1974, Fassbinder comes to Frankfurt's Theater am Turm 860 00:55:11,641 --> 00:55:14,601 to save it from impending closure. 861 00:55:14,721 --> 00:55:16,881 Though hired as its director, 862 00:55:17,001 --> 00:55:20,361 he has no interest in managing budgets, PR, 863 00:55:20,481 --> 00:55:22,641 or the dogma of collective decision-making. 864 00:55:22,761 --> 00:55:25,521 He and his troupe hijack the stage. 865 00:55:25,641 --> 00:55:28,521 REPRESENTATION A CAPITALIST CON? 866 00:55:28,641 --> 00:55:32,001 I think he staged only one play. 867 00:55:32,601 --> 00:55:35,921 I learned during rehearsals 868 00:55:36,041 --> 00:55:38,281 and then performances 869 00:55:38,401 --> 00:55:41,681 that Rainer was far more sensitive than I. 870 00:55:41,801 --> 00:55:46,441 Jean is actually the one who torments Miss Julie. 871 00:55:47,641 --> 00:55:52,641 But he played him as this really sensitive individual. 872 00:55:52,761 --> 00:55:54,521 He played it so subtly. 873 00:55:55,281 --> 00:55:57,121 Incomparable! 874 00:55:57,241 --> 00:55:59,521 I can imagine that 875 00:55:59,641 --> 00:56:05,761 in a theatre which depends on municipal and state funding, 876 00:56:05,881 --> 00:56:13,281 you can grasp a great deal about political processes at work in a city. 877 00:56:13,921 --> 00:56:17,561 And I am sure you can develop from this... 878 00:56:17,681 --> 00:56:21,241 you can develop themes that are both true for Frankfurt 879 00:56:21,361 --> 00:56:25,121 and also relevant in any political discussion. 880 00:56:25,241 --> 00:56:27,601 To him it was important 881 00:56:27,721 --> 00:56:30,801 that he write the play Garbage, the City and Death. 882 00:56:32,001 --> 00:56:34,721 I don't know how long he spent on it. 883 00:56:34,841 --> 00:56:37,841 It's wonderfully written and structured. 884 00:56:38,921 --> 00:56:40,841 A weird take on city life 885 00:56:40,961 --> 00:56:44,161 that suggests the involvement of Jewish speculators 886 00:56:44,281 --> 00:56:48,361 in the tearing down of old buildings in Frankfurt. 887 00:56:48,481 --> 00:56:50,281 Someone assumed 888 00:56:50,401 --> 00:56:57,161 that the Frankfurt real estate shark in the play had to be Ignatz Bubis. 889 00:56:57,961 --> 00:57:00,761 The very word "Jew" was taboo. 890 00:57:01,601 --> 00:57:05,881 So there was this sudden outcry 891 00:57:07,281 --> 00:57:09,481 from every classroom 892 00:57:09,601 --> 00:57:14,521 all the way to... the editorial offices of Die Zeit. 893 00:57:17,121 --> 00:57:20,241 He'd thought it all through, of course. 894 00:57:20,961 --> 00:57:23,801 He didn't suspect it would blow up like that, 895 00:57:23,921 --> 00:57:27,281 that the reaction would be so extreme, 896 00:57:27,841 --> 00:57:30,201 and the play even banned. 897 00:57:30,321 --> 00:57:32,601 It was a real political scandal. 898 00:57:32,721 --> 00:57:35,721 And it gave him a reason to leave. 899 00:57:35,841 --> 00:57:39,041 He wouldn't have written a play if he imagined 900 00:57:39,161 --> 00:57:43,241 it would never be staged in Germany. 901 00:57:43,361 --> 00:57:46,401 But what he always did consider 902 00:57:46,521 --> 00:57:49,561 was a theme's relevance. 903 00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:52,681 And the theme was relevant. 904 00:57:52,801 --> 00:57:59,161 To me it simply somehow confirmed the fact 905 00:58:00,361 --> 00:58:03,561 that once you create something, 906 00:58:03,681 --> 00:58:05,801 it is then treated 907 00:58:07,481 --> 00:58:10,561 in a way you can no longer influence. 908 00:58:11,601 --> 00:58:14,081 All the same, 909 00:58:14,201 --> 00:58:18,881 the accusations naturally made me quite sad, since... 910 00:58:20,241 --> 00:58:24,001 as you said, I think that in everything I've done 911 00:58:24,841 --> 00:58:28,361 I've made it fairly plain 912 00:58:30,201 --> 00:58:32,001 that such an accusation 913 00:58:33,401 --> 00:58:35,761 simply doesn't apply to me. 914 00:58:35,881 --> 00:58:37,161 FEAR OF FEAR 915 00:58:37,281 --> 00:58:38,401 SATAN'S BREW 916 00:58:38,521 --> 00:58:40,001 CHINESE ROULETTE 917 00:58:40,121 --> 00:58:41,441 THE STATIONMASTER'S WIFE 918 00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:42,961 WOMEN IN NEW YORK 919 00:58:44,841 --> 00:58:51,921 GERMANY IN AUTUMN 920 00:58:52,601 --> 00:58:54,441 October 1977. 921 00:58:54,561 --> 00:58:59,241 After RAF members fail to forcibly secure the release of their three leaders, 922 00:58:59,361 --> 00:59:03,201 the latter allegedly commit suicide in their cells. 923 00:59:03,321 --> 00:59:05,281 Fear of more terrorist activity 924 00:59:05,401 --> 00:59:08,561 leads to incommunicado confinement, and persecution of RAF sympathizers. 925 00:59:08,681 --> 00:59:12,321 Germany is close to a state of emergency: 926 00:59:12,441 --> 00:59:15,961 One of the FRG's worst ever crises. 927 00:59:16,081 --> 00:59:19,441 We all felt we had to react. 928 00:59:19,561 --> 00:59:23,001 Because our generation 929 00:59:23,121 --> 00:59:26,321 and the image of our generation were at stake. 930 00:59:26,441 --> 00:59:29,001 But while we were still talking, 931 00:59:29,121 --> 00:59:34,521 Rainer was swiftly filming his own contribution in his apartment. 932 00:59:41,321 --> 00:59:45,521 I don't know. They had a gun and shot themselves. 933 00:59:47,601 --> 00:59:50,401 Nobody knows how the weapons got inside. 934 00:59:54,481 --> 00:59:58,881 An international commission has to investigate 935 00:59:59,001 --> 01:00:01,201 whether it was suicide or not. 936 01:00:02,241 --> 01:00:04,241 It... 937 01:00:04,361 --> 01:00:08,681 shocked all of us deeply when we saw it. 938 01:00:08,801 --> 01:00:12,001 We said, "You can't put that in our film. 939 01:00:12,841 --> 01:00:18,201 At best it's a Fassbinder film, but not one of our collective's films." 940 01:00:18,321 --> 01:00:21,361 You might even literally say 941 01:00:21,481 --> 01:00:26,801 that the high intentions of the film are fouled up 942 01:00:26,921 --> 01:00:30,881 by his sitting around completely naked, 943 01:00:31,001 --> 01:00:34,881 being provocative like that. 944 01:00:35,001 --> 01:00:39,481 But Alexander Kluge recognised at once 945 01:00:39,601 --> 01:00:43,681 that it was the most important contribution to the matter. 946 01:00:43,801 --> 01:00:49,441 When the pilot was shot in Mogadishu or Aden, 947 01:00:49,561 --> 01:00:53,721 you said that for every person shot in Aden, 948 01:00:53,841 --> 01:00:56,561 you want a terrorist shot in Stammheim Prison. 949 01:00:56,681 --> 01:00:58,641 - Yes. In public. - In public? 950 01:00:58,761 --> 01:01:01,161 - Yes. - Is that democratic? 951 01:01:01,281 --> 01:01:04,241 No, it's not democratic. But neither was... 952 01:01:04,361 --> 01:01:07,121 hijacking that plane and announcing, 953 01:01:07,241 --> 01:01:09,641 "We'll shoot them one after another." 954 01:01:09,761 --> 01:01:12,921 What if you'd been on board? Or me? 955 01:01:13,041 --> 01:01:17,641 How would you have felt? You have to consider that. 956 01:01:17,761 --> 01:01:21,281 - An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? - No, not that. 957 01:01:21,401 --> 01:01:27,201 But in a situation like that, democracy won't get you anywhere. 958 01:01:27,321 --> 01:01:33,921 His segment has lost none of its power as a defining document. 959 01:01:34,041 --> 01:01:38,121 The scene of him naked, and the one with him and his mother. 960 01:01:38,241 --> 01:01:40,921 That really is the conversation 961 01:01:41,041 --> 01:01:45,521 that, for generations, was missing in post-war Germany. 962 01:01:45,641 --> 01:01:48,961 Here we have it in its essence. 963 01:01:59,801 --> 01:02:03,521 It was Germany, 1945. The war was over. 964 01:02:04,281 --> 01:02:06,961 There were lots of people from the German East 965 01:02:07,681 --> 01:02:12,081 who had fled the Russians to the so-called West 966 01:02:12,201 --> 01:02:14,561 where the Americans and English and so on were. 967 01:02:16,361 --> 01:02:20,801 Suddenly there were all these relatives 968 01:02:20,921 --> 01:02:25,321 who would normally have had no reason to stay with us 969 01:02:25,441 --> 01:02:27,241 who were there. 970 01:02:28,641 --> 01:02:31,681 My father, a doctor, had his surgery there, too. 971 01:02:31,801 --> 01:02:36,601 On top of that, because we had a very large flat, 972 01:02:36,721 --> 01:02:40,721 my father rented out some of the rooms. 973 01:02:40,841 --> 01:02:46,601 So there was quite a number of adults who were there regularly. 974 01:02:53,401 --> 01:02:55,201 THE MARRIAGE OF MARIA BRAUN 975 01:02:55,321 --> 01:02:58,001 I relied more on what I could... 976 01:02:59,601 --> 01:03:03,241 what I could remember in terms of emotions. 977 01:03:03,361 --> 01:03:07,801 My mother pulling on stockings, the way she... 978 01:03:07,921 --> 01:03:11,561 I don't know, combed her hair. Things like that. 979 01:03:11,681 --> 01:03:15,881 I used them far more than any photographic material. 980 01:03:16,001 --> 01:03:19,441 I approached the story in very personal terms. 981 01:03:19,561 --> 01:03:24,481 So often women would come up, would run up, 982 01:03:27,601 --> 01:03:29,761 and still do, 983 01:03:29,881 --> 01:03:32,121 to hug me and say, 984 01:03:32,241 --> 01:03:34,561 "Thank you for Maria Braun." 985 01:03:35,681 --> 01:03:39,121 The film was incredibly important for women. 986 01:03:39,241 --> 01:03:42,041 Because for them it was a film where the woman 987 01:03:42,161 --> 01:03:46,641 finally understood she had to step out of the shadows 988 01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:51,321 and that she could control her own life. 989 01:03:51,441 --> 01:03:57,121 But where that led was something they completely blanked out. 990 01:03:57,241 --> 01:04:00,521 They only saw the positive in it, 991 01:04:01,961 --> 01:04:05,441 whereas his take was actually very negative. 992 01:04:06,041 --> 01:04:09,081 - You know each other? - Extremely well. 993 01:04:09,201 --> 01:04:12,601 I didn't notice it all this time. 994 01:04:12,721 --> 01:04:14,841 Because I'm a master of disguise. 995 01:04:14,961 --> 01:04:20,281 A stooge of capitalism by day, an agent of the working masses by night. 996 01:04:21,881 --> 01:04:24,841 The Mata Hari of the economic miracle. 997 01:04:26,681 --> 01:04:30,201 It was a result of being able to divide oneself 998 01:04:30,321 --> 01:04:33,441 into a crass materialist and... 999 01:04:33,561 --> 01:04:35,801 an equally crass idealist. 1000 01:04:35,921 --> 01:04:38,601 It was the continuation of German history. 1001 01:04:39,681 --> 01:04:43,801 In spite of idealism, there'd been Hitler. 1002 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:48,081 And afterwards, people weren't overwhelmed by grief, 1003 01:04:48,201 --> 01:04:52,201 but acted as if nothing had happened, 1004 01:04:52,321 --> 01:04:59,401 and grew drunk on the new materialist boom. 1005 01:05:00,681 --> 01:05:03,921 The whole thing ended in a sort of... 1006 01:05:05,361 --> 01:05:07,241 unreality. 1007 01:05:07,361 --> 01:05:11,761 What Maria Braun had saved herself for, 1008 01:05:11,881 --> 01:05:15,521 a real life, so to speak, simply did not exist. 1009 01:05:15,641 --> 01:05:20,401 The unreal, the transient, had taken its place. 1010 01:05:20,521 --> 01:05:24,681 When her husband arrived back and started eating sardines 1011 01:05:24,801 --> 01:05:26,681 instead of giving her a kiss, 1012 01:05:26,801 --> 01:05:30,241 the disenchantment was complete. 1013 01:05:30,361 --> 01:05:35,081 A football game counted more than their reunion. 1014 01:05:35,201 --> 01:05:37,441 As did Germany winning again. 1015 01:05:37,561 --> 01:05:40,401 And that they were both victims here. 1016 01:05:40,521 --> 01:05:42,761 Which is why it all had to explode. 1017 01:05:46,401 --> 01:05:49,921 1979. A triumphant Berlinale premiere. 1018 01:05:50,041 --> 01:05:53,841 The leading actress and team win two Silver Bears. 1019 01:05:53,961 --> 01:05:58,241 The director gets nothing, but "Maria Braun" is a world success: 1020 01:05:58,361 --> 01:06:01,001 It's seen as the figurehead of New German Cinema 1021 01:06:01,121 --> 01:06:06,041 and runs for 54 weeks at New York's Lincoln Center. 1022 01:06:06,161 --> 01:06:08,841 It's no coincidence... 1023 01:06:08,961 --> 01:06:14,801 that Wim and I are the only ones right now who are masters of our craft. 1024 01:06:14,921 --> 01:06:18,241 That's not arrogant, don't misunderstand me. 1025 01:06:18,361 --> 01:06:23,201 But you need that if you want to deal with very personal material. 1026 01:06:23,321 --> 01:06:26,721 If you don't have that mastery and get personal, 1027 01:06:26,841 --> 01:06:31,761 then you're on a losing foot, you're vulnerable and dilettantish 1028 01:06:31,881 --> 01:06:36,841 and subject to the public's rejection in terms of external factors. 1029 01:06:36,961 --> 01:06:41,641 My goal is to make films that are perfect, 1030 01:06:41,761 --> 01:06:46,441 that are indistinguishable from French, Italian or American films, 1031 01:06:46,561 --> 01:06:50,441 but that remain personal reflections of their maker. 1032 01:06:50,561 --> 01:06:55,121 I felt an amazing sense of accomplishment. 1033 01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:59,681 I'd grasped what it means to edit a film and be one with a director. 1034 01:06:59,761 --> 01:07:01,321 EDITOR 1035 01:07:01,401 --> 01:07:05,161 To really let go. It was like a dance. 1036 01:07:05,281 --> 01:07:07,121 Then he said, "Listen, 1037 01:07:07,241 --> 01:07:08,641 sweetheart" 1038 01:07:09,801 --> 01:07:11,281 I thought, uh-oh! 1039 01:07:11,401 --> 01:07:14,961 And he said, "Hanna looks to... one, two, three... 1040 01:07:15,081 --> 01:07:17,201 right, left, cut, cut, cut!" 1041 01:07:17,721 --> 01:07:21,881 I didn't make notes, I just listened, in a daze. 1042 01:07:22,001 --> 01:07:24,641 I thought, I'm in deep shit! 1043 01:07:25,641 --> 01:07:31,081 I muddled my way for two nights, then showed it to him. 1044 01:07:31,201 --> 01:07:35,161 About one scene he said, "I said the shot from that angle, 1045 01:07:35,281 --> 01:07:37,201 not this one." Fine. 1046 01:07:37,721 --> 01:07:40,081 I was being pushed so hard. 1047 01:07:40,201 --> 01:07:43,841 I had no time to think, and no one gave me a break by saying, 1048 01:07:43,961 --> 01:07:45,801 "Do you follow?" 1049 01:07:45,921 --> 01:07:48,761 Or "Need a hand?" That didn't happen. 1050 01:07:54,041 --> 01:07:55,481 Armin! 1051 01:07:59,121 --> 01:08:03,801 Fassbinder meets butcher boy Armin Meier at his favorite bar. 1052 01:08:03,921 --> 01:08:07,721 He becomes his lover and acts in his film. 1053 01:08:07,841 --> 01:08:12,121 He's the first person Fassbinder is to set up home with. 1054 01:08:14,601 --> 01:08:18,521 I thought, those two, it can only end badly. 1055 01:08:18,641 --> 01:08:22,161 And it did. Intellectually, too, of course. 1056 01:08:22,281 --> 01:08:23,881 It's my flat! 1057 01:08:33,561 --> 01:08:35,881 OK, OK, OK. 1058 01:08:36,721 --> 01:08:38,121 Now get out. 1059 01:08:38,241 --> 01:08:39,601 Get out, I said! 1060 01:08:39,721 --> 01:08:41,161 They split up. 1061 01:08:41,281 --> 01:08:45,001 He did it intentionally, out of despair, 1062 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:49,521 because he couldn't cope with the complex question of Armin, 1063 01:08:49,641 --> 01:08:52,561 and because he... wanted to work. 1064 01:08:52,681 --> 01:08:56,441 In the end Armin realized Rainer didn't love him anymore, 1065 01:08:56,561 --> 01:09:00,081 that he wanted to fob him off with a different flat 1066 01:09:00,201 --> 01:09:04,681 or the one he was in... and money, whatever. 1067 01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:07,561 Armin was found dead in the flat. 1068 01:09:07,681 --> 01:09:12,761 The cause is noted in the so-called post-mortem examination report. 1069 01:09:12,881 --> 01:09:16,761 Poppers, cocaine, heroin, you name it. 1070 01:09:16,881 --> 01:09:20,521 Maybe it was an act of despair, I've no idea. 1071 01:09:21,841 --> 01:09:27,881 But he died of an overdose from the whole mixture. 1072 01:09:29,441 --> 01:09:31,681 And afterwards, Rainer... 1073 01:09:32,841 --> 01:09:37,201 He never went back to the flat, not once. 1074 01:09:37,321 --> 01:09:41,001 For him it was traumatic. And he felt guilty. 1075 01:09:41,121 --> 01:09:43,921 And he was seen as guilty 1076 01:09:44,041 --> 01:09:48,121 by those in the group, which had long since fallen apart. 1077 01:09:48,241 --> 01:09:51,681 But there was still "He killed him" and so on. 1078 01:09:52,481 --> 01:09:54,601 In the meantime the funeral was held. 1079 01:09:54,721 --> 01:10:00,441 The press asked, "ls Fassbinder here?" Of course he wasn't. 1080 01:10:00,561 --> 01:10:04,001 For weeks, months, I'd had no news from him. 1081 01:10:04,121 --> 01:10:07,841 Then I heard he'd made a film in Frankfurt, 1082 01:10:07,961 --> 01:10:09,601 In a Year of 13 Moons. 1083 01:10:09,721 --> 01:10:13,761 For but an instant give me back the present! 1084 01:10:13,881 --> 01:10:18,041 Concept Script Production Design Editing Camera Directing 1085 01:10:18,161 --> 01:10:21,681 Though a man be silenced by pain, 1086 01:10:21,801 --> 01:10:25,121 a god gave me the power to say... how much I... 1087 01:10:25,241 --> 01:10:28,961 I can't tell you how it was. It was so... 1088 01:10:29,481 --> 01:10:32,721 It was so complete. You could feel 1089 01:10:34,121 --> 01:10:39,841 how he must have pulled himself together to transpose so much pain in that way. 1090 01:10:44,921 --> 01:10:47,601 He earned enough money 1091 01:10:47,721 --> 01:10:50,521 that I could stop hustling. 1092 01:10:50,641 --> 01:10:52,961 He wanted to provide for me. 1093 01:10:53,081 --> 01:10:56,641 I just gave him a start, bought the flat. 1094 01:10:56,761 --> 01:11:02,281 But these last years I've lived off him. He wants to make me happy. I know it. 1095 01:11:02,401 --> 01:11:05,961 Believe me, Zora, I really tried, but in the end 1096 01:11:06,081 --> 01:11:09,161 he admitted he didn't have what it takes. 1097 01:11:09,281 --> 01:11:15,041 Still, I helped him secure his chance of survival. 1098 01:11:15,161 --> 01:11:18,801 Officially I was his assistant. He wanted to edit. 1099 01:11:18,921 --> 01:11:21,641 And that's what we did. 1100 01:11:21,761 --> 01:11:25,841 I said, "You edit, I assist." I totally played along. 1101 01:11:25,961 --> 01:11:30,321 He splices the black leader at the front, click, click, clock, 1102 01:11:30,441 --> 01:11:33,601 removes the first clap, puts it back on the rack. 1103 01:11:33,721 --> 01:11:36,601 Then he says, "Like that." And he's gone. 1104 01:11:39,161 --> 01:11:43,361 Germany's most expensive TV series of its day, Berlin Alexanderplatz. 1105 01:11:43,481 --> 01:11:47,641 This story of fascism's rise has fascinated Fassbinder 1106 01:11:47,761 --> 01:11:49,441 since the age of 19. 1107 01:11:49,561 --> 01:11:53,161 He has less than a year to film over 14 hours of film 1108 01:11:53,281 --> 01:11:55,601 featuring 50 lead roles. 1109 01:11:56,721 --> 01:11:59,441 I remember that Horst Wendlandt, 1110 01:11:59,561 --> 01:12:03,761 a well-known producer back then... 1111 01:12:03,881 --> 01:12:07,081 Sadly he's no longer alive. 1112 01:12:07,201 --> 01:12:08,801 He said to me, 1113 01:12:08,921 --> 01:12:10,841 "It's impossible! 1114 01:12:10,961 --> 01:12:13,561 It's an enormous production. 1115 01:12:13,681 --> 01:12:16,521 There's no chance he'll survive it. 1116 01:12:16,641 --> 01:12:20,241 You have to sign on another director as backup." 1117 01:12:21,201 --> 01:12:23,121 - It was like that? - Yes. 1118 01:12:23,241 --> 01:12:26,881 - Why? - Well, because of all of his, you know, 1119 01:12:27,001 --> 01:12:31,441 use of drugs and alcohol, and so on... 1120 01:12:31,561 --> 01:12:35,761 He was seen as not being up to such an undertaking. 1121 01:12:35,881 --> 01:12:37,921 Not up to it physically. 1122 01:12:38,601 --> 01:12:41,441 I can only answer... 1123 01:12:41,561 --> 01:12:45,561 by saying that right up to the first day of shooting, 1124 01:12:45,681 --> 01:12:49,641 he tried everything to get out of directing. And from the first... 1125 01:12:49,761 --> 01:12:52,081 - Really? - Yes! 1126 01:12:52,201 --> 01:12:56,281 He suggested me, but Xaver Schwarzenberger said, 1127 01:12:56,401 --> 01:12:58,321 "I'll only do it with you." 1128 01:12:58,441 --> 01:13:01,361 Then he wanted Lowitsch to play the lead. 1129 01:13:02,641 --> 01:13:04,481 Complete chaos. 1130 01:13:04,601 --> 01:13:06,681 - On Berlin Alexanderplatz? - Yes. 1131 01:13:06,801 --> 01:13:11,801 But from day one of shooting he was on top of everything. Amazing! 1132 01:13:11,921 --> 01:13:16,921 They were filming a scene with Sukowa, her first ever big scene. 1133 01:13:17,041 --> 01:13:19,281 ASSISTANT DIRECTOR/PRODUCER 1134 01:13:19,361 --> 01:13:22,161 I was standing around and had to... 1135 01:13:22,281 --> 01:13:25,201 - Which episode is this? - No idea. 1136 01:13:25,321 --> 01:13:28,441 It must be one of the first scenes. 1137 01:13:28,561 --> 01:13:31,841 - When she's brought in. - That's it. 1138 01:13:31,961 --> 01:13:35,401 I was standing around and he said to me, 1139 01:13:35,521 --> 01:13:39,921 "Now I'll show you how to direct. What it's about." 1140 01:13:40,041 --> 01:13:42,361 He sat under the table, 1141 01:13:43,041 --> 01:13:46,001 gently laid a hand on her thigh, 1142 01:13:46,121 --> 01:13:49,721 very gently, and looked up at her from below. 1143 01:13:49,841 --> 01:13:50,841 Franz, 1144 01:13:50,961 --> 01:13:52,801 leave politics alone. 1145 01:13:53,481 --> 01:13:55,321 I'm not in politics. 1146 01:13:55,441 --> 01:13:57,881 And she did the scene fantastically. 1147 01:13:58,761 --> 01:14:01,281 Berlin Alexanderplatz, 1148 01:14:01,401 --> 01:14:04,601 a series for television 1149 01:14:05,801 --> 01:14:07,841 based on the novel by Alfred Doblin. 1150 01:14:07,961 --> 01:14:10,281 He more or less dictated it. 1151 01:14:10,401 --> 01:14:15,321 He went through the novel, 1152 01:14:16,321 --> 01:14:23,561 and then dictated the script, page by page into a Dictaphone. 1153 01:14:23,681 --> 01:14:25,881 Then it was typed up. 1154 01:14:30,401 --> 01:14:32,121 Eight hundred... 1155 01:14:33,361 --> 01:14:34,841 and forty-three. 1156 01:14:34,961 --> 01:14:37,161 At least I think so. 1157 01:14:38,161 --> 01:14:42,521 Street in front of Fabisch & Co. 1158 01:14:42,641 --> 01:14:45,001 Franz, colon: 1159 01:14:47,161 --> 01:14:50,641 He has to buy a tie clip to go with it, 1160 01:14:50,761 --> 01:14:55,241 and when he's bought one, it doesn't work, he can't clip his tie. 1161 01:14:55,361 --> 01:14:57,481 It's a swindle, it embitters people 1162 01:14:57,601 --> 01:15:02,321 and pushes Germany deeper into the misery it's already in. 1163 01:15:03,441 --> 01:15:06,081 It's a swindle, it embitters people 1164 01:15:06,201 --> 01:15:10,841 and pushes Germany deeper into the calamity it's already in. 1165 01:15:11,961 --> 01:15:12,961 Thanks. 1166 01:15:13,081 --> 01:15:17,521 I'm certain that a precise description of the Weimar Republic, 1167 01:15:17,641 --> 01:15:19,721 like Alexanderplatz, 1168 01:15:21,641 --> 01:15:24,281 has something to say about our republic, 1169 01:15:24,401 --> 01:15:26,601 a republic that I think 1170 01:15:27,681 --> 01:15:32,401 is moving to the right like the Weimar Republic did. 1171 01:15:32,521 --> 01:15:38,001 And if the next elections go the way I hope they won't, 1172 01:15:38,121 --> 01:15:40,521 then I really don't know what'll happen. 1173 01:15:41,561 --> 01:15:43,601 There'll still be entertainment. 1174 01:15:43,721 --> 01:15:46,361 Not for me in Germany. I'll leave. 1175 01:15:48,041 --> 01:15:50,361 - And go where? - To America. 1176 01:15:51,441 --> 01:15:53,201 We both wanted that: 1177 01:15:53,321 --> 01:15:56,561 To go to New York and find a flat. That was the plan. 1178 01:15:56,641 --> 01:15:58,401 FASSBINDER'S PARTNER 1179 01:15:58,481 --> 01:16:02,241 But then came the next plan and the next... 1180 01:16:11,281 --> 01:16:13,881 VERONIKA VOSS 1181 01:16:17,121 --> 01:16:22,641 In Veronika Voss, Fassbinder eyes the draining film industry itself. 1182 01:16:22,761 --> 01:16:28,321 He ends the story of a drug addicted star with the death of its heroine. 1183 01:16:28,441 --> 01:16:30,881 At the 1982 Berlinale 1184 01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:34,921 the film brings its director the coveted Golden Bear. 1185 01:16:35,961 --> 01:16:40,601 I once had a film in Berlin I expected a prize for. 1186 01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:44,881 Effi Briest. I was surprised when I didn't win. 1187 01:16:45,001 --> 01:16:47,081 Nothing surprises me anymore. 1188 01:16:47,681 --> 01:16:50,201 He kept getting better, 1189 01:16:50,321 --> 01:16:53,001 and kept getting more recognition. 1190 01:16:53,121 --> 01:16:56,201 But he realized that wasn't it, either. 1191 01:16:56,321 --> 01:16:59,001 And so he struck the pose of the... 1192 01:16:59,841 --> 01:17:02,281 exhausted ruler or emperor... 1193 01:17:04,001 --> 01:17:06,801 in a state of profound melancholy. 1194 01:17:08,081 --> 01:17:11,641 He said, "The worst thing about success is 1195 01:17:11,761 --> 01:17:16,601 people aren't really the way they are when they're with me." 1196 01:17:17,681 --> 01:17:22,441 It was a combination of many things. There was disillusionment, 1197 01:17:22,561 --> 01:17:27,321 combined, no doubt, with lots of stimulants. 1198 01:17:27,441 --> 01:17:30,281 Because he'd totally burned himself out. 1199 01:17:35,521 --> 01:17:38,961 Maybe it's comparable to pop groups, 1200 01:17:39,081 --> 01:17:43,321 who have to go out on stage to sing and rock. 1201 01:17:43,441 --> 01:17:47,881 They aren't drinking chamomile tea backstage. 1202 01:17:48,001 --> 01:17:50,881 They have to get cranked up. 1203 01:17:51,001 --> 01:17:56,041 And if you make five films and every day need new ideas, 1204 01:17:56,161 --> 01:17:59,161 you're going to reach for these means. 1205 01:17:59,281 --> 01:18:03,681 Plus he had all these yes-men and bootlickers around him... 1206 01:18:03,801 --> 01:18:08,521 I really hated that, I saw them for what they were, 1207 01:18:08,641 --> 01:18:11,321 what they wanted from him, 1208 01:18:11,441 --> 01:18:15,401 and how they ingratiated themselves with him. 1209 01:18:16,641 --> 01:18:19,561 Men are crazy about women addicts. 1210 01:18:19,681 --> 01:18:22,841 - Need a shot for your comeback? - Naturally. 1211 01:18:22,961 --> 01:18:24,561 I thought so. 1212 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:27,921 And how do you intend to pay for it? 1213 01:18:33,361 --> 01:18:34,881 With my salary. 1214 01:18:35,001 --> 01:18:41,041 Like a man giving a woman a bouquet of roses... 1215 01:18:41,161 --> 01:18:44,121 I knew where he'd be 1216 01:18:44,241 --> 01:18:46,721 and took him the roses. 1217 01:18:46,841 --> 01:18:52,401 I took his hand, kissed it and gave him the roses. 1218 01:18:52,521 --> 01:18:58,721 But... I knew he was beyond reach then. 1219 01:18:58,841 --> 01:19:02,001 That there was nothing left to... 1220 01:19:03,361 --> 01:19:04,961 It was too late. 1221 01:19:05,081 --> 01:19:06,961 - Really? - Yes. 1222 01:19:07,961 --> 01:19:09,361 Why is that? 1223 01:19:09,921 --> 01:19:13,801 Without knowing how deeply into drugs he was, 1224 01:19:13,921 --> 01:19:18,841 since he was always very focused when shooting... 1225 01:19:18,961 --> 01:19:23,721 There are... I knew there was something 1226 01:19:24,561 --> 01:19:27,761 that had got out of hand long ago. 1227 01:19:29,801 --> 01:19:31,361 Then let's keep going. 1228 01:19:34,721 --> 01:19:36,921 Adio... 1229 01:19:37,041 --> 01:19:41,881 Adio amore! 1230 01:19:46,481 --> 01:19:49,361 He's someone who led a kamikaze life. 1231 01:19:49,481 --> 01:19:54,161 That is, the life of someone who doesn't care about anything. 1232 01:19:54,281 --> 01:19:56,921 He just wants to live in the now. 1233 01:19:57,041 --> 01:20:00,481 That's what counts. That's why it's called Kamikaze. 1234 01:20:03,841 --> 01:20:06,841 He was finished. Wiped out. 1235 01:20:08,001 --> 01:20:12,761 There's always a reason if someone takes this or that... 1236 01:20:12,881 --> 01:20:14,561 and uses drugs... 1237 01:20:14,681 --> 01:20:16,921 There's always a deeper reason. 1238 01:20:17,041 --> 01:20:19,601 There was so much pressure... 1239 01:20:19,721 --> 01:20:24,681 It took him so long to get the money for Querelle. 1240 01:20:24,801 --> 01:20:27,641 And the pressure to have another hit 1241 01:20:27,761 --> 01:20:31,161 was incredibly strong. 1242 01:20:31,281 --> 01:20:34,601 His only way of coping was... You do a line, feel good... 1243 01:20:34,721 --> 01:20:38,641 He has this big glass of whiskey. 1244 01:20:38,761 --> 01:20:40,841 It's all in my documentary. 1245 01:20:40,961 --> 01:20:44,201 The day goes by and you barely survive. 1246 01:20:44,321 --> 01:20:45,961 But by night time... 1247 01:20:46,081 --> 01:20:51,041 I always say, if you floor the gas pedal 1248 01:20:51,161 --> 01:20:55,481 while pressing the brake, you destroy the transmission. 1249 01:20:56,081 --> 01:20:59,641 He wanted out, to get off the roller-coaster. 1250 01:20:59,761 --> 01:21:02,961 - And do what? - Just take a break. 1251 01:21:03,801 --> 01:21:05,361 He said one time, 1252 01:21:06,161 --> 01:21:08,081 "I'm gonna live another life." 1253 01:21:08,921 --> 01:21:10,641 It was an interesting sentence. 1254 01:21:10,761 --> 01:21:14,681 Very interesting. I asked, "What'll it be like?" 1255 01:21:14,801 --> 01:21:16,801 His "I'm gonna live another life..." 1256 01:21:17,961 --> 01:21:22,241 And he said, "Well, we'll live a different life." 1257 01:21:31,801 --> 01:21:35,921 I saw that Rainer's life was drawing to an end. 1258 01:21:37,201 --> 01:21:39,561 It was so hot... 1259 01:21:39,681 --> 01:21:42,281 Two Mandrax, two Valium, 1260 01:21:42,401 --> 01:21:45,201 that fucking cut cocaine, 1261 01:21:45,321 --> 01:21:50,441 and that fucking, that incredibly and unspeakably irresponsible Mick... 1262 01:21:51,201 --> 01:21:55,161 All that led to his end. Physically he was healthy. 1263 01:21:55,281 --> 01:21:57,401 We turn here, right? 1264 01:22:01,121 --> 01:22:03,401 I stayed far away... 1265 01:22:03,521 --> 01:22:05,961 Clemensstrasse and the apartment. 1266 01:22:06,081 --> 01:22:10,001 I was close by at times but I never went in. 1267 01:22:10,761 --> 01:22:12,721 I just couldn't. 1268 01:22:13,401 --> 01:22:15,161 Goodness! 1269 01:22:17,401 --> 01:22:19,081 There was a door here. 1270 01:22:21,761 --> 01:22:23,281 I can't believe it. 1271 01:22:25,081 --> 01:22:28,081 Rainer would be bent over laughing. 1272 01:22:28,201 --> 01:22:31,201 Sorry, but all this baby stuff! 1273 01:22:31,761 --> 01:22:33,521 It's so sweet! 1274 01:22:34,281 --> 01:22:38,361 He had a deep longing for a child, a deep longing for... 1275 01:22:40,601 --> 01:22:41,801 a family. 1276 01:22:41,921 --> 01:22:47,041 But the family naturally wasn't a Mom-Dad-one-baby family. 1277 01:22:47,161 --> 01:22:48,641 It was... 1278 01:22:48,761 --> 01:22:55,601 Rainer's real wish was for us to live with a man he loved. 1279 01:22:57,641 --> 01:23:00,321 I asked him, "Where do I fit in?" 1280 01:23:01,081 --> 01:23:02,681 And he said, 1281 01:23:02,801 --> 01:23:04,961 "Well, you're the one I love." 1282 01:23:20,201 --> 01:23:24,841 We'd agreed we'd each make our own documentary about our films, 1283 01:23:24,961 --> 01:23:27,401 not let some TV people do them. 1284 01:23:27,521 --> 01:23:30,441 So I went to interview him. 1285 01:23:30,561 --> 01:23:32,161 - Sorry? - Fassbinder. 1286 01:23:32,281 --> 01:23:35,241 I went to Munich to interview him 1287 01:23:35,361 --> 01:23:39,041 the day before his death. He was sitting there... 1288 01:23:39,161 --> 01:23:41,601 - The day before? - Yes. 1289 01:23:41,721 --> 01:23:44,841 It still exists. We just need to find it. 1290 01:23:44,961 --> 01:23:49,481 He was wearing a red shirt, his hat, sunglasses. 1291 01:23:49,601 --> 01:23:54,481 He was sitting there, so completely exhausted. 1292 01:23:55,161 --> 01:23:59,161 And the next day... He died that night. 1293 01:23:59,281 --> 01:24:01,441 Thirty-two years ago, 1294 01:24:01,561 --> 01:24:06,801 I left the flat at night to go to the cutting room at Bavaria Studio, 1295 01:24:07,801 --> 01:24:11,641 and I came back at 4am... just before 5. 1296 01:24:11,761 --> 01:24:14,201 - Where did you find him? - On his bed. 1297 01:24:15,481 --> 01:24:17,321 He was lying on his bed. 1298 01:24:17,441 --> 01:24:19,201 The TV was hissing. 1299 01:24:19,321 --> 01:24:22,921 He had a burned-out cigarette in his hand. 1300 01:24:23,641 --> 01:24:27,441 And he was lying there. His head was resting easy, 1301 01:24:27,561 --> 01:24:29,441 facing this way, with a smile. 1302 01:24:29,561 --> 01:24:32,641 "...found Mr Fassbinder lying lifeless..." Right. 1303 01:24:33,561 --> 01:24:36,841 For half an hour she tried to shake him awake. 1304 01:24:36,961 --> 01:24:39,361 My God! How awful! 1305 01:24:40,601 --> 01:24:43,841 Didn't she say she came to get me? 1306 01:24:44,441 --> 01:24:47,801 Wolf wouldn't wake up. I shook him 'til he woke up. 1307 01:24:47,921 --> 01:24:49,921 He came over 1308 01:24:50,041 --> 01:24:54,561 and lifted him up, and then he said, "He's dead." 1309 01:24:54,681 --> 01:25:00,201 What can I say? I knew my whole life was going to change. 1310 01:25:00,321 --> 01:25:05,241 Life in... West Germany was going to change. 1311 01:25:05,361 --> 01:25:07,961 One of its leading public figures 1312 01:25:08,081 --> 01:25:12,401 who had documented German history with "Maria Braun" 1313 01:25:12,521 --> 01:25:17,561 and created international understanding for Germany... 1314 01:25:17,681 --> 01:25:22,401 His death was the end of a great friendship 1315 01:25:22,521 --> 01:25:26,001 and the end of an era. 1316 01:25:26,121 --> 01:25:28,841 - You realized that? - Immediately, yes. 1317 01:25:28,961 --> 01:25:34,721 And the shock it unleashed, the waves of shock, continued for years. 1318 01:25:35,601 --> 01:25:39,961 I think I had to lead the life I led to lead... 1319 01:25:40,081 --> 01:25:44,441 I had to lead the life I led to be able to make my films. 1320 01:25:54,321 --> 01:26:00,121 I really believed you would stand at my grave and weep over me. 1321 01:26:00,241 --> 01:26:02,201 That was childish, too. 1322 01:26:03,161 --> 01:26:04,961 I had to accept 1323 01:26:05,681 --> 01:26:08,881 that I am alone, was alone, will be alone. 1324 01:26:10,521 --> 01:26:13,121 You will not come 1325 01:26:13,241 --> 01:26:15,761 to heal, to redeem. 1326 01:26:15,881 --> 01:26:17,721 No one will. 1327 01:26:20,401 --> 01:26:22,921 Somehow each of us had... 1328 01:26:24,841 --> 01:26:28,601 you know, a private relationship with him. 1329 01:26:29,441 --> 01:26:34,041 Because he was so existentially linked to each of us 1330 01:26:34,161 --> 01:26:37,721 that it had a direct effect on your life. 1331 01:26:38,481 --> 01:26:43,241 So all of us had our burden to bear. 1332 01:26:44,201 --> 01:26:48,001 And had to come to terms with it. 1333 01:26:50,641 --> 01:26:51,881 Me, too. 1334 01:26:52,001 --> 01:26:55,441 That's why I left Munich 1335 01:26:56,321 --> 01:26:58,241 for West Berlin. 1336 01:26:58,361 --> 01:27:00,161 Because I... 1337 01:27:02,041 --> 01:27:06,281 It started over whether he should be buried 1338 01:27:06,401 --> 01:27:09,881 with other notables in Bogenhausen Cemetery. 1339 01:27:10,001 --> 01:27:16,041 The outcry over whether that queer bastard, you know... 1340 01:27:16,161 --> 01:27:18,761 should be allowed a grave there. 1341 01:27:19,641 --> 01:27:22,441 Think anyone would hire us? 1342 01:27:22,561 --> 01:27:26,001 "You? You never did anything for us." 1343 01:27:26,121 --> 01:27:29,561 They came crawling while he was still alive. 1344 01:27:29,681 --> 01:27:35,961 Begging us to help them gain access to him. 1345 01:27:36,081 --> 01:27:38,641 No sooner was he buried than... 1346 01:27:38,761 --> 01:27:41,961 What would you say to Fassbinder now if you could? 1347 01:27:44,441 --> 01:27:46,281 Thank you... 1348 01:27:47,041 --> 01:27:49,401 For such a wondrous time 1349 01:27:49,521 --> 01:27:53,041 Thank you for the joy you gave 1350 01:27:53,161 --> 01:27:55,761 If he could hear me now, 1351 01:27:55,881 --> 01:27:57,961 he'd find it really strange. 1352 01:27:59,041 --> 01:28:05,241 Maybe it's exactly the proof of love he always wanted to hear. 1353 01:28:05,361 --> 01:28:09,321 If I'd said something like that to him... 1354 01:28:09,441 --> 01:28:17,401 It's exactly what you learn every time you lose someone... 1355 01:28:17,521 --> 01:28:20,281 That you shouldn't put off things for later 1356 01:28:20,401 --> 01:28:24,641 because maybe it'll be too late to say it. 1357 01:28:25,641 --> 01:28:29,041 So, all the nice things you can say... 1358 01:28:30,521 --> 01:28:31,761 Say them! 1359 01:28:34,161 --> 01:28:35,161 Yes. 1360 01:28:39,081 --> 01:28:40,921 You're nice, I like you. 1361 01:28:44,361 --> 01:28:46,121 You can't say a thing.98218

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