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Previously on
"The Girl from Plainville"...

- I'm going to direct
your attention

to July 12th of 2014.

That was the last day
you saw your son alive.

How was he that day?

I know my son.

And he didn't want to die.

Not that day.

- I'm here because
of Michelle Carter.

I don't like seeing
innocent people prosecuted.

I want to help this girl.

- 48 Hours
wants to talk to me.

- You gonna do it?
- He's not just

a dead kid on the news,
you know.

He's Coco.

Go away.

- What's wrong?

- I'm the murderer's sister,
that's what's wrong!

Get the fuck out!

Can you read
the highlighted text message

from Michelle?

- "Then I am left crying
in bed at night

"because I have no one

"and I have no plans,
no future.

I am nothing."

- If you ever
tell anyone about me,

I will never, ever
fucking talk to you again!

Got it?

Your text
freaked me out.

Call me back.

- I'm sorry.

I didn't know
you cared that much.

How could you say that?

I don't even have
anybody's number.

If something happened to you,
I wouldn't know who to call.

- I know, I know, I'm--

I'm sorry, okay?

- Is this just a game to you?

- No.

- Then tell me what to do.

Nothing.

You've done plenty.

- What does that mean?

You've been here for me.

You've listened.

It's just not enough.

I'm never satisfied.

I'm stuck.

In my own little reality,

and I thought everything
was good, but...

It's not.

- I'm not going to leave you.

You need me.

Stay.

Conrad?

- Carter has waived
her right to a jury trial,

which means
the judge alone will decide

whether or not she is guilty.

If convicted, she faces
up to 20 years in prison.

Could you please describe

your educational background?

I went to Harvard

and Case Western Reserve
Medical School,

researching the
psychophysiology of anxiety.

- And can you please
list and describe

your professional activities?

- Oh, golly.

There's a lot of them.

I have been
practicing psychiatry

full time since 1968.

I teach.

I have a subspecialty
in clinical psychopharmacology.

- And what is that?

- It's the study
of the effect of drugs

on the actual clinical,
real-life behavior of people.

- And have you given
any presentations

for any governmental bodies?

Yes.

- Well,
thank you for carving out

some time with us today,
Dr. Breggin.

You're quite a busy man.

- Of course.
Thank you for the invitation.

- Your Honor.

- Move it along.

Uh, Dr. Breggin,

for our non-medical experts
in the room,

could you illustrate, uh,
for us what an SSRI is

and how it affects the brain?

The SSRI is
a selective

serotonin reuptake inhibitor.

- And what is serotonin?

- Serotonin
is a neurotransmitter

that originates deep
in the brain.

It can affect our judgment,

love, and empathy.

When serotonin is naturally
created by the brain,

these--these receptors fire.

And the idea behind people
who are depressed or--or angry

is that maybe the feed
to the receptor gets backed up.

The brain isn't doing its job.

- Right,
and the SSRI, it--what?

The SSRI,

like Prozac and all SSRIs,

blocks the removal
of serotonin.

And unfortunately,

this is very unstable

because the brain reacts
to this as a toxic intrusion.

- And how does the brain
react to this toxic intrusion?

After the first dose even,

the brain stops
producing serotonin.

- So instead
of creating a clear pathway

for the serotonin
to enter the brain,

Prozac and other SSRIs
can actually halt

the natural production
of serotonin entirely?

- Yes, it's possible.

Oh.

- Does the FDA identify
the SSRIs in a specific way?

- They developed a
black box warning that remains

the highest level class warning
for all of these drugs.

- Does Celexa have
a black box warning?

- Yes, it does.

And do you know specifically

what the black box warning
is on Celexa?

- The black box warning
specifically says

that there's
an increased risk of suicide

in people aged 24 and younger.

And to the best
of your knowledge,

was Conrad Roy III

on Celexa
at the time of his death?

- Yes, he was.

Thank you.
No further questions.

We'll break for lunch.

- Am I really selfish?

- No.

Why?

- Well, for wanting
to kill myself so bad

and dragging you along
with all this.

- No.

You're not selfish.

Don't ever think that.

And you're not
dragging me along.

I chose to stay.

- I don't want to fail again.

That's what I'm scared of.

- Obviously, you don't
really want to die then.

Because you wouldn't
be scared to try.

You'd want to try anything
as much as you could.

- I guess
you're partially right.

I'm just still
researching and hoping that

I find a better way.

- I am so right.

Part of me wants you
to try something and then fail.

Just so you could go get help.

I love you.

Say it back.

- I love you too.

- I'm gonna turn in.

Okay.

- You good?

- Yeah, I'm good.

- Don't stay up too late, okay?

- Hey.

Can I get a beer?

- Is it over?

- Lunch.

Thank you.

Some of this stuff
this doctor's saying...

We thought we'd be doing
the right thing.

Right?

- Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

You know what
I can't stop thinking about?

- What?

- The fucking guacamole.

- I mean, how the hell
has this kid

never had guacamole before?

Well, I mean, it's not like
we're known for it here.

- Fair.

Your mom says you're running.

You even talked to my mom?

- Yeah, you sent her over
to check on me.

- I just didn't like the idea
of you being alone, that's all.

I'm training
for the Boston Marathon.

- You?

Yeah?

- You who drives two blocks.

- I who used to
drive two blocks.

- They say it makes
your nipples bleed.

They're not lying.

Hot.

I'm doing it
for suicide awareness.

Running it, I mean.

You know, raising money for it.

- That's good, Co.

Yeah.

- He'd be real proud.

I tried drinking
all the water I could,

but nothing happened.

- What the fuck is that?

Why didn't you
tell me you tried?

All of a sudden, you're trying
and serious about it?

- I'm sorry,
I want to tell you the truth,

but I don't want to scare you.

- I want you to always
tell me the truth.

Never be sorry about it.

- I want it to look
like an accident.

- Why?

Well, I'd like people

to think that
and not feel guilty.

Can I tell you something?

Of course.

- There's nothing anyone can do

that's gonna make me
want to live.

Come on!

Come in!

You okay?

I can't really talk about it.

- That doesn't sound good.

"Ooh, Constantine!

I love you, Constantine."

- Give it back, Cassie--
- You guys write love letters.

- Ooh, does he
send you dick pics?

- I said give it back!

- Jesus Christ, fine.

I'm just playing.

- This is life
and death, Cassie.

Hey.

I'm sorry about Cassie.

She was--
Can be a bitch.

- Sometimes.

Now he's not responding.

- Conrad?

Talk to me.

You can trust me.

- Can I?

Of course.

I'm here for you.

- God, he's so messed up.

He'll only talk to me
about things,

and he said that he won't
be with me anymore

if I tell anyone.

So you have
to promise me, okay?

You can't tell anyone, Natalie.

Seriously.

You have to promise.

- Of course.

Of course,
I won't say anything.

Is there anything I can do?

Oh, it's just...

I don't even know
where to begin.

What information did you review

in connection to this case?

Every available medical record

for Michelle and Conrad.

I evaluated
every available text, uh,

or phone or Facebook message
for both people.

I interviewed
a half a dozen people

in great detail
who knew Michelle.

- And--and why the interviews?

- I needed to get, uh,
a baseline

for Michelle's behavior.

Was Michelle known to do
mean, angry, hostile things?

Before age 12 was key for me
because at 12,

she begins to develop anorexia
and is put on Prozac,

and she's then medicated
off and on

for her entire adolescence.

And did that have
any significance for you

ultimately in forming
certain opinions on this case?

- It shows that
she's a very vulnerable person

who does very severe cutting
of herself

in order to control her pain.

And did the text messages

between Michelle Carter
and Conrad Roy

have any relevance
or significance

to your clinical analysis
of the case?

Oh, yes.

He's a very distressed
young man

who has a lot
of family conflict

that, uh, he's dealing with,
and he is constantly

telling Michelle that
he's gonna kill himself

and there's nothing she can do.

And this goes on and on

for hours and hours
and months and months of text.

And she gets more
and more desperate.

And this boy that she loves

says that he's going
to kill himself

and that he's even got plans.

This is an intolerable position
for her to be in.

- Doctor.

What is
involuntary intoxication?

It means that
there's a disruption

in the neurochemistry
of the brain

where intoxication
is observable

through thoughts
and behaviors, activities.

And during an intoxication,

the person generally
has loss of judgment,

maybe confusion,

and often
loss of memory of the event.

And how do you
analyze and determine

if someone is involuntarily
intoxicated by drugs?

Well, first,

you need to know,
can the drug do this?

Does Celexa?

Do all SSRIs cause marked
changes in behavior?

Yes.

And when SSRIs
cause abnormal reactions,

which involuntary intoxication
is the extreme,

they cause agitation,
anxiety, um,

panic, irritability,

and a dramatic, sometimes
instant, shift in behavior.

It's in the diagnostic manual.

And specifically,

as to Michelle,
do you have an opinion

as to whether or not she was
involuntarily intoxicated?

- Yes, I do. Yes, she was.

There's a significant change
in her behavior

about 11 days
before Conrad's suicide

on July 12th.

And as a result of this

involuntary intoxication
suffered by Michelle Carter,

do you have an opinion
as to whether or not

she was able to conform
her actions and conduct

to the requirements of the law?

- She couldn't.

She was enmeshed in a delusion

where she was thinking it was
a good thing to help him die,

that she could mitigate
the circumstances,

reassure him that he was
going to heaven,

and that she could then go
to his family and help them

to mourn less severely.

And are you able to pinpoint,

in your opinion, of course,
around

when Michelle became
involuntarily intoxicated?

On or about July 2nd,

she begins to help him
go to heaven.

- I don't know if it's
bad or good that you

understand me this way.

If I do end up...

Dying...

I don't...

want to go to hell.

I don't belong there.

- You won't go to hell.

I promise you.

Heaven needs a hero.

- You're gonna help me
with this tomorrow.

- With what?

- I've been reading
about it on the internet.

I've been talking
to people online about it.

- Talking to who?

I don't know,

it's the internet.

- Are you really sure
you're gonna do this?

- I'm going to try again.

When I'm home.

Tomorrow.

- Promise me something.

- Sure.

- Say goodbye before you do it.

Of course.

How's he doing?

- Not good.

- Yeah.

- It's a good thing
you're doing.

Seriously.

He's really lucky
to have a friend like you.

- Girlfriend.

Right.

Girlfriend.

- Thanks, Cassie.

Some things
I've been doing is

trying to realize that
it's not realistic.

What's going on in my head

that keeps on
piling and piling?

- He wanted to excel.

He just wanted to be this,
like, great person.

And in my eyes,
he was all that.

He was rough on himself.

He really, really struggled

with just disappointing,
I think, my husband and me.

I don't understand
why you would want

someone that was
so beautiful inside and out

that had so much,

that was
such a kind person to die.

what this young woman did?

- I cannot.

Only--only she can.

Had to fight off a nurse
for a cruller.

Worth it.

Any bright ideas in
the half hour I've been gone?

No.

I don't know how to get him.

I--you saw, Moniz loves him.

He trusts him.

None of this was in the report.

Nothing about cutting or--
or "involuntary intoxication."

I mean,
what the hell even is that?

I can't prepare overnight.

Well, maybe that's it.

I mean, he didn't say
any of it in the report.

Gonna have to get him
to bury himself.

You said during
your direct examination

that the defendant
had been cutting, correct?

- Yes.

- Would you agree with me
that your initial

60 or so page report

didn't mention
anything about that, correct?

- Correct.
I didn't have those texts.

Would it be
fair to say that

her mother never reported
any concern about cutting?

I didn't interview Mom
in that depth.

- May I approach, Your Honor?

Mm-hmm.

Didn't you write here,

page 60,

"Michelle's mother cannot
recall any bizarre behavior

"on Michelle's part
at any time of her life,

including during the period
of the alleged crime."

- Yes.

- So you at least talked
to her a little bit.

- Yes.

- And in that conversation,

she did not report any concerns
about her daughter at all.

No, she didn't.

- The information that
you had about her cutting

was based on text messages
with her friends?

Yes.

And now, of course, when you
looked at these messages

where she was talking about
how severely she cut herself,

you would also look
at other messages

she sent to other people
contemporaneously?

- Yes, she often sent
different messages

to different people.

- And it would be
significant to you

if, uh, she was simultaneously
texting one person

that she was cut so badly,

she had to go
to the emergency room

and then a moment later,
texting a boy

something completely different.

Yes, she did that a lot

about a lot
of different things.

Yes.

But in these texts,

she is claiming that
she's talking to her mother

about going to the hospital,
correct?

- Yes.

Isn't it true that
at the initial outset

of your involvement
in this case,

you did not diagnose
the defendant as depressed?

- Well, yes,
that was the knowledge

I had at the time.

- You were wrong?

- Oh, golly, yeah.

- You completely
misdiagnosed the defendant?

- No.
- Well--

I'm sorry, uh, you said
she wasn't depressed,

and now you're saying she is?

- I literally did not
have enough information.

And I didn't know that I didn't
have very much information.

- Oh, but when you
talked to the defendant...

- I never talked
to the defendant.

- How many times
have you formed the opinion

that a patient or someone
you've been asked to examine,

uh, is involuntarily
intoxicated?

Golly, maybe...

40 times
over the last 20 years?

It's really a wild guess.

- A wild guess.

So one of the things
you need to do

in forming a baseline
is determining if the behavior

during the period in question
is of stark contrast

to his or her normal behavior,
correct?

- Yes.

- Would you agree with me that
if your baseline is off,

it could greatly affect
your opinion?

- That's why I
carefully rechecked my opinion

and found that everything
in there reconfirmed

the date she had the breakdown
of the intoxication.

- Right, you--you were saying
that happened on, uh, July 2nd?

- Yes.

- It's important that
it happened on July 2nd

because it shows
that she had a break.

She behaved one way
on July 1st and on July 2nd,

she behaved entirely
differently

because of the intoxication,

and it was completely
out of her control.

Do--do I have that right?

Yes.

- Uh, "What about hanging
yourself or stabbing yourself?

"What about overdosing
on sleeping pills

"or suffocating
with a plastic bag?

"Sleeping pills would work,

"but if you really want to die,

I don't get why
you wouldn't try it."

Yes, correct, exactly.

- But you said that her
behavior changed on July 2nd?

- Yes.

- Well, these text messages

from Michelle Carter
to Conrad Roy

were sent on June 29th, 2014.

You're taking my words
out of context.

Okay.

May I approach?

Can you please tell the court
what this book is?

- Yes, it's the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual

of Mental Disorders,
the DSM-5.

- An encyclopedia of every
diagnosed mental disorder.

Yes.

Could you grab
the section that covers

involuntary intoxication
for me, please?

- Well, there is no section
on involuntary intoxication.

It's a legal term.

- Well, then, what are
you diagnosing her with?

- Oh, she has
drug intoxication.

It's in the general group...

Of substance-induced

mood disorders.

- So it's not in there.
- Well, it's--

Sir, I'm asking whether or not

the DSM-5 has
a specific criteria

for the diagnosis
of involuntary intoxication,

the diagnosis that you are
providing for the defendant.

Is it in there?

- Well, no.

It's a legal--
- Legal term.

I tender the witness,
Your Honor.

Sorry, I took some
sleeping pills

and I fell asleep.

- You said you wanted this bad.

I knew you wouldn't try hard.

I feel like such an idiot.

Why?

- Because you didn't even
do anything.

You lied
about this whole thing.

I'm just--

I'm just so confused because...

I thought
you really wanted to die.

But apparently you don't.

I just feel played
and just stupid.

Don't.

I found out a new plan,
and I'm gonna do it.

- I don't believe you.

You're gonna have
to prove me wrong

because I don't think
you really want this.

You just keep pushing it
to another night.

And you never do it.

- Okay.

- Okay what?
- Okay.

I'll prove you wrong.

you know what I'd say?

"Your parents aren't
going to miss you

if you're locked up
for the next 30 years."

This is evil.
Turn it off.

- It's the news.
- Your sister does not

need to hear this right now.

Turn it off, Hayden.

- He was an easy target.

It's all about attention,

people noticing her.

- We're just
supposed to ignore it?

- I'm not doing this
with you right now, sorry.

No, you know what
everyone thinks of me

in school, in this town?

Hayden, I am sorry,
but this is not helping.

We can't be watching
this garbage right now.

- You should go get ready.
- No, you always yell

at me and I don't understand.
It's always about her.

- Don't be dramatic.
- I'm serious.

All you do is focus on her,
talk about her.

Your closing argument,
Mr. Cataldo.

- The medical examiner
ruled the death a suicide.

Now, there's no statute
in the state of Massachusetts

outlawing suicide,
there's no statute

in the state of Massachusetts
that says

it's against the law to help

or assist in a suicide.

The evidence shows
that Conrad Roy

was suicidal for a very,
very lengthy period of time.

That comes out in the text
messages very clearly,

and Miss Carter was
under no legal duty

to call for assistance.

The evidence also shows
in the text messages

that Conrad Roy

specifically sought out
her encouragement.

Your Honor, I believe that

the Commonwealth
has failed to provide

any evidence that
Miss Carter caused him to die.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Cataldo.

Who's arguing
for the Commonwealth?

- Okay.

Okay.

- I'm not just gonna
stand here and say,

"Look at Commonwealth v.
Carter"

and sit down, Your Honor.

With regards
to the offense of manslaughter,

I would, uh,
suggest that the Commonwealth

needed to prove that
the conduct was intentional,

not that the outcome
was intentional,

but that the conduct was.

I believe we have done that.

Your Honor,
I ask that you consider

not just what you know
about Conrad,

but what you have learned
about the defendant

through the course of all this.

The defendant clearly had many,

what she believed, to be
substantial relationships,

mostly through texting.

And for Mr. Cataldo to suggest

that Conrad had free will
is an oversimplification

because she knew him.

She knew he had social anxiety.

She knew that he was depressed.

She knew his frailties.

And not only that, Your Honor,
she knew what it was like

to feel lonely
and want someone to talk to.

And she did talk to him
that night

and she told him
to get back in the truck.

Yes, the medical examiner
has said this is a suicide,

but she is not
the final determiner

of what the crime here is.

You are, Your Honor.

Thank you.

- We should go home.

We're here for your sister.

- She doesn't want me here.

- Well, your mother
needed to take a night off.

- Do you think
the judge likes me?

- It doesn't have anything
to do with him liking you.

Is that--what the--
the doctor was saying,

is that what happened?

Did you black out?

I wish you would talk to me.

I wish you knew that
you could talk to me.

I...

I love you no matter what.

I will always be here for you,

no matter what.

- You should just go in
without me.

- I can't.

- It's okay.

No, you're not allowed
to be left alone.

We'll just let them get
through the first few songs

and then we'll go in.

- I'd like to perform
a song for someone

very special to me
that's here tonight.

My sister, Michelle.

Michelle, come up here.

Come on.
- Go on.

Sit.

Stop!

- You okay?