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ADOLF The FĂĽhrer has given
the order for physical extermination…
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literally… I had heard these
words for the first time.
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I know that all too well.
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Eichmann is
something of a logistical mastermind
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and he does this
with full awareness
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that the result of deporting
these Jewish persons
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to these killing centers is
that they're going to be killed.
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Previously
onThe Devil's Confession:
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The Lost Eichmann's Tapes.
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Israeli Attorney
General Gideon Hausner
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is determined to find the tapes
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Willem Sassen recorded
with Adolf Eichmann
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to prove he is the architect
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of the "Final Solution
to the Jewish Question."
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Faced with the
suspected interference
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from the West German,
Israeli, and US governments
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in his attempts to
secure the tapes,
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Hausner manages to somehow
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obtain transcripts
of the recordings
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that include notes
from Eichmann.
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But will the court allow them
to be admitted into evidence?
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GIDEON Efforts have
been made to obtain the manuscript,
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and indeed, it is
now in our hands.
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MAN All rise!
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Adolf Eichmann.
Adolf Eichmann.
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The extended arm of
Hitler's evil regime.
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Nazis have always
denied their role in the Holocaust.
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It could
not have been me,
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because it was not my
decision in such cases.
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After
the war, many fled Europe,
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including the architect
of the Final Solution-
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Adolf Eichmann.
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He's practically
the last important Nazi
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who arrived in
Argentina after the war.
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While
hiding in Argentina,
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Eichmann records a
series of interviews
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with Nazi journalist
Willem Sassen,
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admitting his role
in the Holocaust.
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Sassen came up with
this crazy idea
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that he would interview the
mastermind of the Holocaust.
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This is him boasting
about what he did.
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The tapes
are rediscovered.
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And now for the first time,
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we'll hear Eichmann
admitting his crimes,
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a true Nazi confession.
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All rise!
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GIDEON Okay,
so now take this text,
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analyze it sentence by sentence
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and tell us what is
true and what is false.
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Take a look at the
section I marked,
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"I wasn't an ordinary
receiver of orders.
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If I was, I would be stupid.
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I was an idealist."
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Did you say that?
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That's…
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I must say, this is
completely made-up nonsense.
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Being an idealist has nothing to
do with receiving or giving orders.
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Eichmann denies
that the transcripts are his words,
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challenging Hausner to produce
the original recordings.
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ADOLF I just thought
of something, Mr. Prosecutor.
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You said that there are tapes.
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One should try to
get these tapes.
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And it would prove
if I said it or not.
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Look, I can do my
job without advice.
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I ask that you tell me
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if you said those things or not?
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Eichmann
plays full risk
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and is 100% sure that the
tapes will never be heard
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because he knows what
else is on these tapes.
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Hausner must
convince the court
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of the validity
of the transcripts
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before they can be
admitted into evidence.
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We know
that the tapes exist,
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because they exist to this day.
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Did the Israeli government
know the tapes existed?
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And so the mystery,
the enduring mystery,
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is why the people that
had access to the tapes
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didn't tell the prosecutors
that those tapes existed.
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As Hausner waits for a
ruling on the transcripts' admission,
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the trial continues
in Jerusalem.
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And the Attorney General
pursues a new strategy
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to prove that Eichmann is
not just a simple bureaucrat,
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but also a cold-blooded
murderer himself.
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After the
middle of May 1944,
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we were led to a villa
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that later turned out to be the
private residence of Adolf Eichmann.
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I saw him when I was
digging, I heard shouting.
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Yes.
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I saw Eichmann's driver walk over to
one of the Jewish boys working with us,
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I knew him as Shalamon,
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and he yelled at him,
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"You stole cherries
off the tree,"
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and I saw Eichmann standing
on the upper balcony.
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Then I saw the boy
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being pushed into the
warehouse and locked up there.
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Then I heard horrible
screams, pounding, beatings.
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The screams went on
for 10-15 minutes.
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When I heard no more
screams, the door opened,
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and Eichmann emerged.
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He left quickly and the
boy's body was dragged out.
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On some level,
Hausner still found it
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necessary to try to add:
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"And yes, he killed someone
with his own hands."
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In response to
this question, I can only say
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that I have never
killed a human being,
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that I have never beaten
a human being to death,
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and that I have never
hit a human being.
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Eichmann
only really becomes very agitated
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in really rebutting that claim.
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So he's really
passionate about saying,
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"I didn't kill anyone
with my own hands."
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So I-I'm willing to give
him the benefit of the doubt
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that he didn't beat anyone
to death with his own hands.
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And ultimately, the judges
did not accept that.
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But that has nothing to do
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with, again, the kind of nature
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of bureaucratic responsibility,
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which Hausner himself recognizes
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as the key crime that
he's responsible for.
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MICHAEL Eichmann
never shot anyone himself.
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He only shot with his pen.
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The commander of Auschwitz
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once asked him
when he visited him
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if perhaps the babies
could be spared,
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not be put
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with their parents
in the gas chambers.
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Eichmann replied, and this
appears in Rudolf Höss memoirs,
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the children must
be exterminated,
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for they could grow up
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and want to seek revenge on us.
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That was Eichmann.
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To the end.
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On the tapes,
Eichmann refers to the same man,
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the commander of the
Auschwitz extermination camp,
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Rudolf Hoöss, as a role model.
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ADOLF And
this is what Höss did.
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That's what he did.
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I told you already, he was not
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the brutal concentration
camp commander
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one imagines with the
face of a bulldog,
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he was a father to
a load of children.
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He had sympathy for
human needs and worries.
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He had orders that bound him.
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Had I received the order
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to gas Jews or shoot Jews,
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I would have executed
these orders.
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Rudolf Höss,
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in the statements you know…
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- Yes, I met with Höss.
- He was at your place in Budapest.
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Yes, he visited me in Budapest.
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To determine Auschwitz's capacity
to absorb Hungarian Jews?
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Even in Hungary, I was not giving
orders, but receiving orders.
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He had to address
the higher ranks.
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Hausner
learns from the Sassen transcripts
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that Eichmann met
Hoöss in Budapest.
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It is in Hungary
where Eichmann commits
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perhaps his most heinous crime-
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the mass murder of Hungarian
Jews towards the end of the war.
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Actually, you could
conduct a trial solely
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around the Hungarian affair.
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Doing so would be
quite convincing
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that the trial is a fair trial.
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Nobody would say any criticism
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about the handling of the
trial and its outcome.
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In Sassen's
transcript, page 737,
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you made a comparison between
the various countries.
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As for Holland, you said,
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"It was a splendor how
it was all rolling."
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As for Denmark, you said,"It was
almost a scandal," or similar words.
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And as for Hungary, you said,
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"Hungary really offered us
the Jews like in a fire sale!
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Hungary was the only country
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for which we couldn't
work fast enough."
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Hungary was
a relatively safe place for Jews
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during Second World
War until May of 1944.
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In Hungary still lives
the largest community,
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untouched, about 800,000 Jews,
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and they are convinced that
they will come out of the war
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completely unharmed.
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The Soviet army was
standing at the Hungarian border.
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They were ready to cross
the mountains into Hungary.
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What is clear at that point
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is that Germany is
going to lose this war.
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For the Hungarian Jews,
there was so much hope.
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Eichmann comes in
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and he organizes
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he deportation of
Hungarian Jews.
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The people
he brought with him
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were also all
experienced deporters.
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They had deported Jews
from all over Europe,
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and they knew how to do it.
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And they also knew that
the Hungarian government
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would play along with them,
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the marionettes.
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He gets
Hungarian railways,
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the Hungarian militia,
the Hungarian police.
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Nazi
law requires Jews
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in all communities across
the occupied territories
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to form a Judenrat,
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a Jewish council
of local leaders.
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Eichmann then sets
about gaining the trust
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of these Jewish
community leaders
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and puts pressure on them
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to help with the deportations.
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The Eichmann system is
first of all to use pressure
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to help him organize
deportations.
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When he
arrives in Budapest,
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he has a meeting with the leaders
of the Hungarian Jewish community.
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He says to them,
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"You know, you have to
wear the yellow star
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and you have to pay
for it yourself,
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but if you do what I say,
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everything will be okay."
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I met a woman,
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she remembers her father
coming home from the meeting
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and saying to her mother,
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"We can work with this man."
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WILLEM "On March
31st, 1944 the Judenrat
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had a first discussion with
Eichmann at the Majestic.
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'You don't know who I
am? I am a bloodhound',
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Eichmann declared at that time."
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Yes, maybe I said that,
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how shall I say,
sarcastically, and…
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with a combination
of humor and sarcasm.
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Just as I occasionally said
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to the important
Jews, when I met them,
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when they arrived.
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Something like, "Do
you know where you are?
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You are with the Tsar of
the Jews, dear friend!"
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This is how I wanted
to address them
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so they wouldn't have
worries or concerns.
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Because I am not the bloodhound
that people accuse me of being.
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Most of these
Jewish families from the countryside
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believed that it could
not happen with them.
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They will be deported
for work in Germany
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and they prepared
themselves also that way,
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so if you see what they brought,
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uh, these 50-kilogram packages,
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for example, a doctor
prepared himself as a doctor.
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And then,
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of course, they believed that they
will work as a doctor in Germany.
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Forced labor, but still work.
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I never ever heard
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about a letter to the mayor
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or to the school director
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asking, "What happened
with my Jewish neighbors?"
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We must remember it
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as the most shameful event
in Hungarian history.
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Such a united effort
for that single purpose
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to deport and transport
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so many Hungarian
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fellow citizens
from this country.
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GIDEON You told Sassen
that Hungary was the only country
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in which you weren't able to keep
up with the rate of deportations.
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That's what you said
to Sassen, true?
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No, that cannot be true.
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Many things were written, as you said,
Mr. Prosecutor, and this is not correct.
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During the trial, Eichmann
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adamantly denies responsibility
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for the massacre
of Hungary's Jews.
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But on the tapes, Eichmann
does not dispute his role
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and admits that the
deportations happened quickly.
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WILLEM We have concluded
that the deportations from…
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Hungary, under the leadership
of the master
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were conducted in
an exemplary manner.
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Can one say that in 46
days all this happened?
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It seems exaggerated.
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Too fast?
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Of course it happened fast.
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But 46 days seems a
bit exaggerated to me.
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Maybe you are referring
to 46 work days?
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But not in 46 days,
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meaning, a month and a half.
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There were only
whispers and rumors
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about a place in Poland where
terrible things are happening.
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But the people who were
deported to Auschwitz,
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they all sent a postcard
that said the same thing,
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that they feel fine, that they're
working, something like that.
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These were uniform postcards
that were sent to the relatives.
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My own mother
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arrived in Auschwitz
in September of 1944.
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She didn't know
what is that place.
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Where did she arrive to?
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We have an album,
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the Auschwitz album,
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which has pictures of one of
the transports from Hungary.
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You see people
very well-dressed,
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standing in a very
idyllic forest
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like on a lovely Sunday picnic.
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They are standing in circles.
they are sitting on the ground.
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Some of them are laughing.
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The gap between what
you see in the pictures
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and what you know that will
happen in the next half an hour,
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it is a completely
classical illustration
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of the way Eichmann
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cheated his victims
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to believe that no harm
will happen to them.
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MARTIN Once we arrived in
Auschwitz, we got an order to get out.
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And I saw my wife. How
did I recognize her?
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My daughter was
wearing a red coat
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and that red dot was the sign
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that she is there
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and the dot became
smaller and smaller.
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I walked away and
never saw her again.
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When I heard that,
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I fell silent. Why?
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Because my daughter was
two and a half years old
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and shortly before that
I bought her a red coat.
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I couldn't get a
word out of my mouth.
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Even before we
entered the barracks,
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All the
boys to the soccer field.
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Those days were the
pinnacle of Auschwitz.
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Within seven weeks,
from May 16 to June 10,
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438,000 Jews were brought
to Auschwitz on 150 trains.
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Four chimneys emitted flames
and black smoke day and night.
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When those didn't suffice, they dug
pits and burned bodies to ashes.
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It was horrible.
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Some days the smoke did
not rise into the sky,
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but spread over
the Auschwitz camp
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and covered the camp
with a black cloud.
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To prove that
Eichmann played a key role in Hungary,
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Hausner calls
witnesses to testify
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that knew Eichmann
during that time.
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- Do you see the defendant here?
- Yes.
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Can you identify him?
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In my memory, Herr
ObersturmbannfĂĽhrer Eichmann.
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Is in uniform, in high boots,
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standing with his legs spread and
his hand on the gun in his belt,
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shouting at me in a tone that was so
characteristic of the "Master Race."
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But despite that, I
know that this is him.
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When did you find out what was
being done to the Jews in Auschwitz?
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I received letters
once, and among them
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was the report on Auschwitz.
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It says
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that to date, one
million and 450 thousand
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Jews have been killed.
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Detailed, in France, numbers.
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And the last sentence -
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"And now we are preparing to
receive the Jews of Hungary."
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Our leaders fed us sedatives in the
ghettos so that we don't revolt!
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Silence in the court.
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I request silence once again
and this is the last time!
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Get this man out of here.
I am stopping the session.
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Only once during the
trial did someone from the gallery cry out:
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"You, the Jewish leadership,
you saved yourselves.
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You ran away."
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The man crying out from
the crowd during the testimony
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is no accident.
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He accuses Hungarian
community leaders
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of collaborating with the Nazis
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and abandoning their people.
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Gideon
Hausner's great fear
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was that the trial
would be riddled
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with accounts between
the Jews and themselves.
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There were Jews who
collaborated with the Nazis.
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There's no hiding that.
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ADOLF You can
imagine that with such people,
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Storfer, Löwenherz, Eppstein,
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that one Jewish lawyer Kasztner…
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On
the tapes, Eichmann mentions
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various Jewish leaders.
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Among them is Israel Kasztner,
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a Hungarian community leader and
representative of the Zionist movement
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that will become the
Israeli government.
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The story of Kasztner and
the accusations against him,
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both during and after the war,
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are so controversial
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that the mention of his name
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is probably something
Ben-Gurion and his government
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would prefer to keep out
of the Eichmann trial.
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The image of Kasztner hovers
over Eichmann's trial.
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Kasztner
arranged for a train
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of around 1,600
prominent Hungarian Jews,
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including members
of his own family,
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to basically, um,
go to Switzerland.
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And one of the questions
that, uh, arose
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was whether Kasztner was a
collaborator with the devil.
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The devil in
question is Eichmann.
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After the war, Kastner is
accused by many Jewish survivors
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of collaborating with the Nazis
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to keep the nature of
the deportations a secret
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in exchange for the freedom
of those he managed to save.
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There are Jews in Hungary,
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survivors to this day and
certainly their offspring,
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who feel that Kasztner could
have warned them and didn't.
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Kasztner insisted he did warn,
he did tell in the underground
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and that he did save more
Jews than anybody else saved,
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more Jews than Schindler.
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And this had become
a cause célèbre
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in the first years of
the State of Israel,
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because it raised the question
of dealing with the devil.
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SUZANNE
My father told me,
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"You'll hear a lot of bad
things about your dad."
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I remember laughing, because he
didn't know how much I already knew.
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He was spit on. He
couldn't get on a bus.
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He couldn't buy a newspaper.
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They actually spat in his face.
398
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I got spit on too once.
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My parents didn't know that I was
beaten up and got stones hurled at me.
400
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That I was tossed into a
pit of lime and almost died.
401
00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:18,656
We haven't
yet heard, have we,
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00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,667
what happened to these
Jews from Hungary?
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00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:23,296
Later, at
the Nuremberg Trials,
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00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,580
Kasztner testifies
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on behalf of accused Nazis.
406
00:26:29,152 --> 00:26:31,552
When asked why he
would do such a thing,
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Kasztner astonishes everyone
by admitting that he'd done so
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at the request of the
provisional Israeli government.
409
00:26:38,248 --> 00:26:40,468
But many deny Kasztner's claims.
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SUZZANE Father was sent to the
Nuremberg Trials on behalf of the Jewish Agency
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and the Israeli government.
It's as simple as that.
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I found all the documents
related to the trip,
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also the expenses he received.
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And when he said so,
they said he's lying.
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It is clear that
Ben-Gurion is denying this.
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The leadership of the settlement
would not protect people
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who were involved in the
murder of Jews in Europe.
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It's unfathomable,
it's unforgivable.
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Kasztner feels abandoned
by the Israeli government,
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knowing they fear he will reveal
the reason for his testimony.
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On the night between March 3rd and
4th, when he returned to his home,
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three assassins were
waiting outside the building
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and shot him.
424
00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:57,942
Ten days later, he passed away.
425
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He knew they
were going to murder him.
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He knew.
427
00:28:05,768 --> 00:28:07,978
I came home from school
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and he called me over
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00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:12,534
and there was an
urgency in his voice,
430
00:28:12,608 --> 00:28:14,608
as if to say, if he
didn't tell me now,
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he may never have the chance.
432
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:19,700
That I should always
remember - he tried his best
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to save as many
Jews as possible.
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00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:28,204
Kasztner
dies, never revealing the reason
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00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:31,318
for his testimony in Nuremberg.
436
00:28:31,361 --> 00:28:33,541
The secrets he knew about
the Israeli government
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00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:35,321
are thought to be safe forever.
438
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:41,763
But just four years later, the risk
of the secrets being revealed returns
439
00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:45,587
when the possibility of Sassen's
tapes being heard in court emerges.
440
00:28:48,378 --> 00:28:54,338
The tapes contain information that connects
to Kasztner's testimony in Nuremberg.
441
00:28:54,384 --> 00:28:58,654
Eichmann discusses a Nazi
officer named Kurt Becher,
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who is one of the men that Kasztner
testifies for at the trials.
443
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:08,012
Becher manages the assets
seized from the Hungarian Jews,
444
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including companies like
Manfred Weiss Steel,
445
00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:15,058
which had 40,000
employees during the war.
446
00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,491
And Eichmann mentions
on the tapes.
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00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:23,284
WILLEM Was it Becher
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00:29:23,285 --> 00:29:25,890
who led the negotiations
regarding the takeover
449
00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:28,933
- of the Manfred Weiss enterprise?
- Yes.
450
00:29:29,351 --> 00:29:33,271
Followed the negotiations
between Eichmann and Kasztner
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and reported to Himmler
about the progress?
452
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,058
Years
later, a possible reason
453
00:29:40,082 --> 00:29:43,782
for Kasztner's testimony
at Nuremberg is revealed.
454
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,995
Declassified documents confirm
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00:29:46,045 --> 00:29:48,785
that the young State
of Israel used funds
456
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:52,620
that Kurt Becher seized from
Jewish families during the war
457
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,530
to obtain arms.
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00:30:02,496 --> 00:30:04,536
Ben-Gurion feared
that at the Eichmann trial
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people would discover what
he had managed to hide.
460
00:30:07,675 --> 00:30:09,325
He somehow managed
to shift the blame
461
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against him and the
Zionist leadership
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for what they did or didn't
do, vis a vis the Nazis.
463
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:17,080
He feared that everything
would be revealed with Eichmann
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00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,249
and he didn't want
the Sassen interview.
465
00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:21,945
Ben-Gurion is scarred
from the Kasztner affair.
466
00:30:24,605 --> 00:30:27,605
The Israeli leadership
learns from the "Life" article
467
00:30:27,651 --> 00:30:29,181
that Kasztner helps Eichmann
468
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:30,648
to keep the Hungarian Jews
469
00:30:30,698 --> 00:30:32,738
from resisting deportation
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in exchange for allowing
a few hundred Jews
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train passage to Switzerland.
472
00:30:37,574 --> 00:30:40,364
And they fear what
else might be revealed.
473
00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:46,581
Hausner's request that the
transcripts of the Sassen
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00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:49,587
Sassen interviews be
admitted into evidence
475
00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:51,980
once again creates
a sense of concern
476
00:30:52,024 --> 00:30:55,854
on the part of the
Israeli government.
477
00:30:55,897 --> 00:30:59,157
But Eichmann's lawyer, Servatius,
objects to their admittance
478
00:30:59,205 --> 00:31:02,025
based on the fact that
there is no way to prove
479
00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:05,467
that the transcripts are
Eichmann's actual words.
480
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,448
JUDGE MOSHE We
decide by a majority of opinions
481
00:31:10,449 --> 00:31:13,955
to accept as evidence
from the Sassen document
482
00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:20,586
only things that were written
in the defendant's handwriting.
483
00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:27,392
In this ruling, we dismiss the
Attorney General's petition.
484
00:31:29,278 --> 00:31:31,538
The
judges decide to disqualify
485
00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:34,935
the 700 pages of the
Sassen transcripts,
486
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,330
but makes an exception
for a few pages
487
00:31:37,373 --> 00:31:40,073
where Eichmann's notes
are clearly visible.
488
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,640
There was no way that
Hausner could actually verify
489
00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:49,341
the truthfulness of the
transcripts themselves.
490
00:31:49,385 --> 00:31:51,555
Now, he did not
have the audiotapes.
491
00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:56,314
Here my explanation begins to be
within the realm of conspiracy.
492
00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,529
Because if this
document is given life,
493
00:31:58,568 --> 00:32:01,178
it proves the accusations
against Kasztner.
494
00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:03,143
It proves the allegations
against Kasztner.
495
00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:04,792
It proves the allegations
496
00:32:04,835 --> 00:32:07,095
against the Zionist
movement in Hungary,
497
00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,972
which is affiliated to the ruling
party of the Israeli government.
498
00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:13,015
The Mossad hides many things about
the Eichmann affair to this day
499
00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:16,501
and the Secret Service hides
details about the Kasztner affair,
500
00:32:16,543 --> 00:32:17,999
because if these
things are discovered
501
00:32:18,023 --> 00:32:20,813
even today, they
will cause a storm.
502
00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:22,681
The fuse hasn't yet
been neutralized.
503
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Much surrounding
Kasztner's death remains a mystery.
504
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:29,897
Three men with ties
to a right-wing
505
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,508
underground movement
were arrested.
506
00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:34,784
They claimed they acted alone.
507
00:32:34,822 --> 00:32:36,522
Convicted of murder,
508
00:32:36,563 --> 00:32:38,043
they were sentenced
to life in prison.
509
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:43,180
But in 1963, just a year
after the Eichmann trial,
510
00:32:43,222 --> 00:32:45,832
they were all mysteriously
granted a full pardon
511
00:32:45,876 --> 00:32:47,746
and released from prison.
512
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:56,575
While the tapes are never
heard during the trial,
513
00:32:56,626 --> 00:32:59,016
Eichmann clearly says that
Kasztner confronted him
514
00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,334
regarding the fate
of his fellow Jews.
515
00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:05,717
ADOLF I set up the Central
Department for Jewish Emigration.
516
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:08,737
I couldn't fool these people,
517
00:33:08,821 --> 00:33:11,621
I couldn't tell them, "Guys,
I don't know anything."
518
00:33:11,699 --> 00:33:13,909
Or Kasztner, who told me
519
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:16,372
I should stop the
annihilation machine.
520
00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:19,329
He was so outrageous,
he asked me directly
521
00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:22,035
what was happening
to the Jews, etc…
522
00:33:22,292 --> 00:33:25,502
I can't say to him, "I
don't know anything."
523
00:33:28,049 --> 00:33:30,269
Eichmann
was so proud of himself.
524
00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:33,922
He was able to manipulate
Kasztner and take advantage of him
525
00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:38,283
so that Kasztner could not
get a true picture of reality.
526
00:33:42,107 --> 00:33:44,497
I believe that from
this part of the tapes,
527
00:33:44,544 --> 00:33:47,904
the tough situation Kasztner
was in becomes much clearer
528
00:33:47,938 --> 00:33:49,938
and appears in a
different light.
529
00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:53,994
You get a much fairer
perspective of it.
530
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,342
The disqualification
of the Sassen transcripts
531
00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:58,992
is a victory for the defense
532
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,817
and a major blow to Attorney General
Hausner's case against Eichmann.
533
00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:08,787
Since Eichmann denied
that those were his words,
534
00:34:08,829 --> 00:34:12,699
even though his handwriting
was on certain pages,
535
00:34:12,746 --> 00:34:14,616
you had to have the tapes.
536
00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:18,841
Naturally, Gideon Hausner
would have given anything
537
00:34:18,882 --> 00:34:21,582
to be able to play the
Eichmann recordings in court.
538
00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:27,721
And there was a rumor
539
00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:30,421
that the trial took so long,
because he always hoped for it.
540
00:34:35,247 --> 00:34:38,817
Unable to locate the tapes
or use the majority of the transcripts
541
00:34:38,859 --> 00:34:40,729
to prove Eichmann's guilt,
542
00:34:40,774 --> 00:34:43,654
Hausner summons the
survivors of the Holocaust
543
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:47,040
to confront Eichmann with the
horrors his crimes inflicted.
544
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:51,827
I call
on Avraham Aviel.
545
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,742
Avraham Aviel. Avraham Aviel.
546
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:59,143
Today
when you speak about survivors:
547
00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:02,404
"Our honored survivors,"
"our treasured survivors,"
548
00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:06,538
but then there was even
a feeling, common enough,
549
00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:10,892
that we know you must have
stepped on someone to survive.
550
00:35:12,632 --> 00:35:14,812
Put the
kippah on your head,
551
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,241
your right hand on the Bible,
552
00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:20,544
I swear to God
553
00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:24,409
that my testimony in this trial
554
00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:29,708
will be the truth, the whole
truth and only the truth.
555
00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:34,933
It was no pleasure saying that
I came from the Holocaust.
556
00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:38,009
Because there were
bad opinions too,
557
00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:43,136
that the Holocaust survivors
are not decent people,
558
00:35:43,225 --> 00:35:45,185
they endured such
trials and tribulations,
559
00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:47,266
they're not decent people,
560
00:35:47,688 --> 00:35:48,768
so they hid it.
561
00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:54,026
Tell us what happened
on May 7, 1942.
562
00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:56,988
- They came from Lida…
- Who?
563
00:35:57,072 --> 00:35:58,412
The Germans came,
564
00:35:59,116 --> 00:36:01,486
in battle uniform,
565
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:04,370
armed with automatic weapons.
566
00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:06,043
My mother…
567
00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:10,375
said, "Children…
568
00:36:13,255 --> 00:36:15,295
say a prayer.
569
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:17,843
We will die as Jews."
570
00:36:20,929 --> 00:36:25,179
I didn't want to cry, I wanted
them to hear the testimony.
571
00:36:26,977 --> 00:36:30,557
I took a breath to
continue the testimony,
572
00:36:30,814 --> 00:36:32,904
I took a second…
573
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:36,280
Gunfire rang out
574
00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:39,701
and they fell into the pit.
575
00:36:49,555 --> 00:36:51,228
The author Yehiel De-Nur,
576
00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:53,432
known by his pen
name Ka-Tsetnik,
577
00:36:53,472 --> 00:36:55,952
writes books influenced
by his time as a prisoner
578
00:36:55,996 --> 00:36:57,556
in the Auschwitz death camp.
579
00:36:58,346 --> 00:37:01,256
He told me that he
did not want to testify.
580
00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,346
He was not sleeping,
he couldn't eat.
581
00:37:04,396 --> 00:37:08,616
And Hausner put such a
heavy pressure on him
582
00:37:08,661 --> 00:37:10,791
that his resistance broke.
583
00:37:10,837 --> 00:37:13,957
What is the reason you use
the literary name Ka-Tsetnik, Mr. De-Nur?
584
00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:20,154
He
took his pen name, Ka-Tsetnik,
585
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:23,374
from the initials for the German
word for "concentration camp"
586
00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:25,105
and the number that was tattooed
587
00:37:25,155 --> 00:37:27,585
on each prisoner's
arm by the Nazis.
588
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,727
Their name was
589
00:37:33,919 --> 00:37:37,459
the number Ka-Tsetnik.
590
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,548
I see them…
591
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:43,930
they are looking at me…
592
00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,677
- I see them…
- Please sit, Mr…
593
00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:49,733
I remember…
594
00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:55,516
- No, Mr. De-Nur, listen to the prosecutor.
- Then…
595
00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:59,399
Just a minute, listen
to me, no, Mr. De-Nur.
596
00:38:03,657 --> 00:38:05,077
Quiet, quiet, quiet!
597
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,019
In
retrospect, Hausner was right.
598
00:38:08,068 --> 00:38:09,808
In the collective memory,
599
00:38:09,852 --> 00:38:13,202
the one testimony that
was imprinted forcefully
600
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:16,773
was that testimony
of Ka-Tsetnik.
601
00:38:18,165 --> 00:38:22,125
ZVI Yechiel De-Nur,
Ka-Tsetnik, fell unconscious.
602
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,104
The audience in the courtroom
stood up in astonishment
603
00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:27,559
and cleared a path for
the stretcher bearers
604
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,483
on which the witness lay and
was taken to the hospital.
605
00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:37,107
My role was then the news
coordinator of the Voice of Israel.
606
00:38:37,899 --> 00:38:42,569
Ka-Tsetnik's testimony was, in
my opinion the most dramatic
607
00:38:43,572 --> 00:38:47,492
of the witness testimonies.
608
00:38:47,784 --> 00:38:50,624
Not only as a result of
the Eichmann trial did
609
00:38:50,704 --> 00:38:54,504
more people become familiar
with the Holocaust,
610
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,460
they became familiar with the
Holocaust of every single survivor,
611
00:38:59,546 --> 00:39:02,716
every survivor had a
Holocaust of their own,
612
00:39:02,799 --> 00:39:04,219
I had my own Holocaust.
613
00:39:04,301 --> 00:39:08,601
People learned about that
from the testimonies.
614
00:39:09,806 --> 00:39:13,686
It was possible to
rely only on documents
615
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:15,444
but…
616
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,608
this would not have become
the Holocaust trial.
617
00:39:22,142 --> 00:39:23,882
Miki Goldman serves
618
00:39:23,926 --> 00:39:26,146
as Hausner's assistant
during the trial.
619
00:39:26,189 --> 00:39:29,369
One survivor's testimony
will stick with him forever.
620
00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:32,197
He hit
one boy 80 times
621
00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:39,379
with a stick.
622
00:39:39,461 --> 00:39:43,971
Do you see in court the
boy that was hit 80 times?
623
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:50,260
Everyone started to
look to all around
624
00:39:50,347 --> 00:39:52,217
to see where the
boy was sitting.
625
00:39:52,641 --> 00:39:55,231
It's the officer sitting
next to Mr. Hausner.
626
00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:03,572
I was unable to move.
627
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:07,360
It's a story I'm
not eager to tell.
628
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:12,579
Once I told it to
a man and his wife
629
00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:19,502
and he said to her: these
people suffered so much
630
00:40:20,627 --> 00:40:27,547
that at times they mix
truth with fantasy.
631
00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:29,394
Then and there I decided
632
00:40:29,469 --> 00:40:33,139
that no one would hear
that story from me anymore.
633
00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:37,022
It was the 81st blow
that I received.
634
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:45,397
I think there was
a tendency, certainly amongst Israelis,
635
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:49,928
to see survivors as
the "Ghetto Jews."
636
00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:54,189
They called them
"Sabonim," the soaps,
637
00:40:54,234 --> 00:40:57,724
the people who were supposed
to be made into soap.
638
00:40:58,673 --> 00:41:00,983
So, in other words,
they're not like us.
639
00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:03,773
There was something
fatally flawed about them
640
00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:06,859
that they allowed this
to happen to them.
641
00:41:06,899 --> 00:41:09,379
We walked towards
the pit. I turned my head.
642
00:41:11,386 --> 00:41:15,716
He asked me who to shoot first.
643
00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:19,807
I did not answer anything.
644
00:41:19,895 --> 00:41:23,105
I felt my daughter
being torn away from me.
645
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,941
I heard her last cry
and how she was shot.
646
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:33,970
GIDEON These
people, these tongue-tied people,
647
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,453
they'll never be again the
same as they were before
648
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:41,414
Hitler came there and before
the roof caved in on them.
649
00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:44,284
Uh, there is something traumatic
650
00:41:44,327 --> 00:41:47,287
in their make-up which
will never be good again.
651
00:41:48,027 --> 00:41:51,547
AMOS My father wanted
there to be a trial of testimonies,
652
00:41:51,548 --> 00:41:54,099
look what a visionary he was.
653
00:41:54,179 --> 00:41:56,309
We have hardly any survivors.
654
00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,140
- Is that it? Can we get started?
- Please.
655
00:42:01,228 --> 00:42:02,808
Can this light…?
656
00:42:03,396 --> 00:42:04,556
Yes, that's it.
657
00:42:06,132 --> 00:42:09,092
At the
conclusion of the witnesses' testimony,
658
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:10,785
Hausner confronts Eichmann
659
00:42:10,832 --> 00:42:12,622
with irrefutable evidence
660
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:15,530
of the atrocities
committed by the Nazis.
661
00:42:23,453 --> 00:42:26,543
All the lights
were off in the courtroom
662
00:42:27,632 --> 00:42:30,592
and documentary pictures
or news pictures
663
00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:32,895
were being projected
on the wall.
664
00:42:33,986 --> 00:42:38,816
Bodies being bulldozed
into a death pit.
665
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:40,251
Awful!
666
00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:45,815
But we had one
camera on Eichmann
667
00:42:47,086 --> 00:42:49,776
and it looked as
if he was laughing.
668
00:42:56,356 --> 00:42:59,926
This was the first time you
could see who's Eichmann,
669
00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:01,228
what he felt like.
670
00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:09,795
ADOLF I had recurring
encounters with the dead
671
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,341
and I always had
the same feeling.
672
00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:16,257
I still remember seeing the ones
that were burnt, I told you already,
673
00:43:16,511 --> 00:43:20,141
my knees shook.
674
00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:23,392
Do you know what I said?
675
00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:25,774
You will laugh.
676
00:43:26,438 --> 00:43:29,638
"I believe in God, the Father almighty,
the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary,
677
00:43:29,691 --> 00:43:32,651
died under Pontius Pilate,"
and so on and so on
678
00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:36,282
"resurrected from
the dead…" and so on,
679
00:43:37,157 --> 00:43:39,777
to stop my knees from shaking.
680
00:43:40,035 --> 00:43:42,745
Otherwise, I would
have felt embarrassed.
681
00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,503
As a ObersturmbannfĂĽhrer
Colonel in uniform,
682
00:43:46,583 --> 00:43:49,213
wearing a thick leather coat,
683
00:43:49,294 --> 00:43:53,174
with ranks on my shoulders,
saying, "I feel nauseous."
684
00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:07,342
Finally, Gideon Hausner
685
00:44:07,383 --> 00:44:10,473
provides one last crucial
piece of evidence.
686
00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:12,647
Towards the end of the war,
687
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,223
Eichmann commits perhaps
his most devilish crime,
688
00:44:15,261 --> 00:44:19,401
as it becomes clear that Germany
is going to lose the war.
689
00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:21,699
REPORTER It is
certainly great news
690
00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:23,506
when we heard that the 7th
British armored division,
691
00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:25,100
the "Desert Rats" is
in action in France
692
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:27,670
and the Germans don't like it.
693
00:44:27,708 --> 00:44:30,188
They know to their cost what it
is to come in contact with them.
694
00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:35,665
There was a vision among some
leading Nazis, Himmler among them,
695
00:44:35,716 --> 00:44:39,546
that there would emerge some kind
of Nazi Germany without Hitler.
696
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:41,549
And there came
697
00:44:41,591 --> 00:44:44,941
the
order from Himmler
698
00:44:44,986 --> 00:44:46,946
to stop the deportations.
699
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:51,726
And still, there was
this one transport
700
00:44:51,776 --> 00:44:56,346
that Eichmann sent against
Himmler's order to Auschwitz.
701
00:44:59,218 --> 00:45:01,048
He could say whatever he wanted,
702
00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:06,009
being a small wheel
in a big engine
703
00:45:06,051 --> 00:45:07,711
and obeying orders.
704
00:45:07,748 --> 00:45:11,188
At this point, he
went against orders
705
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:15,100
and he killed 2,000 people.
706
00:45:18,541 --> 00:45:21,201
His insane
fanaticism in Hungary,
707
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,500
where he even went behind the
back of his great superior,
708
00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:26,197
Heinrich Himmler.
709
00:45:26,245 --> 00:45:29,155
He made moves he was
not allowed to do
710
00:45:29,204 --> 00:45:32,824
just to finally
accomplish one achievement
711
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:35,300
written on his own
name, Adolf Eichmann.
712
00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:46,791
Without the tapes, the
biggest challenge Hausner faced
713
00:45:46,831 --> 00:45:50,751
was to break Eichmann during
the cross-examination,
714
00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:54,531
to admit that he
was a key person
715
00:45:54,577 --> 00:45:57,797
in the execution of
the "Final Solution."
716
00:45:58,799 --> 00:45:59,969
Hausner failed.
717
00:46:00,018 --> 00:46:02,148
Eichmann did not break
718
00:46:02,847 --> 00:46:04,977
through the cross-examination.
719
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:11,560
I'm showing you a
section from the Sassen document
720
00:46:11,561 --> 00:46:16,071
that has many corrections
in your handwriting.
721
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:23,454
Look at the segment in
parentheses in red pencil.
722
00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:25,198
Page 282.
723
00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:31,117
You said the following,
724
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,379
"And now, in conclusion,
I must tell you,
725
00:46:35,543 --> 00:46:38,593
I regret nothing.
726
00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:41,472
I am unwilling to regret.
727
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,089
I must tell you honestly,
728
00:46:44,177 --> 00:46:47,807
had we put 10 million
Jews to death,
729
00:46:48,056 --> 00:46:49,846
then I would say
with satisfaction,
730
00:46:50,350 --> 00:46:54,770
'good, we have
exterminated an enemy'."
731
00:46:55,647 --> 00:46:56,647
That's what you said.
732
00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:58,649
No, I didn't say that.
733
00:46:59,484 --> 00:47:01,534
I definitely didn't say that.
734
00:47:04,656 --> 00:47:08,576
…and now I want to
tell you… to conclude…
735
00:47:10,245 --> 00:47:12,115
all these recordings:
736
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:16,000
I regret nothing.
737
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:20,380
Every fiber of my being resists
738
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,260
to say that…
739
00:47:25,426 --> 00:47:30,596
we did something wrong. No.
740
00:47:33,643 --> 00:47:36,443
I must tell you honestly,
741
00:47:37,772 --> 00:47:42,402
had we killed 10.3 million Jews,
742
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:47,950
then, I would be satisfied.
743
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:50,990
And would say,
744
00:47:51,411 --> 00:47:56,211
good… we have
exterminated an enemy.
745
00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:03,087
Then we would have
fulfilled our task.
746
00:48:04,257 --> 00:48:06,587
But since it is not the case…
747
00:48:09,178 --> 00:48:13,098
I still have some
brief questions here…
748
00:48:14,225 --> 00:48:17,475
It's harsh what I am
telling you, I know it…
749
00:48:17,562 --> 00:48:19,812
and I will be judged.
750
00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:25,145
If I'm… so harsh in my wording.
751
00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:30,656
But I can't tell you anything
other than… That's the truth.
752
00:48:31,367 --> 00:48:33,237
Why should I deny it?
753
00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,327
Right?
754
00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:41,746
No, I didn't say that.
755
00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:44,553
I definitely didn't say that.
756
00:48:45,882 --> 00:48:49,012
This has been patched
together out of…
757
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:51,603
It's a combination of
imagination and truth.
758
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,309
That is not my question.
759
00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:57,599
The question is if the
transcript is right?
760
00:48:57,685 --> 00:49:03,515
I can't give a detailed
and precise answer to that,
761
00:49:03,608 --> 00:49:06,358
because I was under the
influence of alcohol
762
00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:09,954
and I don't know if I was under the
influence of alcohol in this moment.
763
00:49:10,031 --> 00:49:13,201
Under the influence
of alcohol or not,
764
00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:15,914
did you say those things or not?
765
00:49:16,245 --> 00:49:17,865
I don't remember.
766
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,665
If you want to continue making
a fool of yourself, go ahead.
767
00:49:21,751 --> 00:49:22,841
Excuse me?
768
00:49:23,586 --> 00:49:26,836
If you want to keep making a
fool of yourself, then go ahead.
769
00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:33,143
I don't want to make a fool of myself,
I'm just saying that I don't know
770
00:49:33,221 --> 00:49:35,601
and I have only one thing…
771
00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:40,352
I officially ask to
have the recordings.
772
00:49:42,066 --> 00:49:43,695
Hausner
later wrote in his book,
773
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,549
Justice In Jerusalem,
774
00:49:45,591 --> 00:49:47,251
"I wanted to get
the Sassen tapes
775
00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:48,638
to bring Eichmann's defense
776
00:49:48,681 --> 00:49:51,641
to a complete standstill.
777
00:49:51,684 --> 00:49:55,124
Then he could hardly have been
able to deny his own voice."
778
00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:57,166
Hausner also
mentions in the book
779
00:49:57,211 --> 00:49:59,301
that an anonymous source
780
00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:01,365
offered him the opportunity
to purchase the recordings,
781
00:50:01,389 --> 00:50:04,309
with one condition:
782
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:07,869
that he could not play them in
the courtroom during the trial.
783
00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,877
Hausner refuses, and
the Sassen recordings
784
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,710
are never played at
the Eichmann trial.
785
00:50:18,537 --> 00:50:21,057
Why those tapes didn't appear
786
00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:23,975
and make it possible to
introduce as a confession
787
00:50:24,499 --> 00:50:29,199
Eichmann's own words? Why
didn't they appear at the trial?
788
00:50:29,243 --> 00:50:32,993
The answer to that question
has great moral consequences.
789
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,680
If there is one thing
that is very clear today,
790
00:50:36,337 --> 00:50:38,337
it's that the
abduction of Eichmann
791
00:50:38,905 --> 00:50:43,335
hit the most sensitive part
in the semi-secret relations
792
00:50:43,388 --> 00:50:45,298
between Israel and Germany,
793
00:50:45,346 --> 00:50:48,736
or, if you like, between
Ben-Gurion and Adenauer.
794
00:50:50,438 --> 00:50:52,478
Adenauer had a meeting
795
00:50:52,527 --> 00:50:54,527
with the director of the
Israel Mission in Germany.
796
00:50:57,619 --> 00:50:59,879
And he said
something scandalous:
797
00:50:59,926 --> 00:51:02,576
If Israel agrees that
we stop these trials
798
00:51:02,624 --> 00:51:05,894
and don't start chasing after
Nazis all over the world,
799
00:51:06,585 --> 00:51:09,195
I will promote the
diplomatic relations.
800
00:51:16,943 --> 00:51:21,253
We got
the tapes in 1999
801
00:51:21,295 --> 00:51:24,775
from a newspaper in Switzerland.
802
00:51:25,256 --> 00:51:28,126
We knew that this newspaper
803
00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,442
bought these tapes from
the family of Eichmann.
804
00:51:32,219 --> 00:51:34,699
Can you tell us who
is the owner of the tapes?
805
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:39,752
We have signed that we
won't tell who the owner is.
806
00:51:42,186 --> 00:51:46,016
Sassen always knew the
value of the Eichmann recordings.
807
00:51:46,059 --> 00:51:47,709
Just before his death,
808
00:51:47,756 --> 00:51:50,186
he gives the tapes to
the Eichmann family,
809
00:51:50,237 --> 00:51:52,627
likely in an attempt
to, in some way,
810
00:51:52,674 --> 00:51:56,724
make up for his betraying
his fellow Nazi comrade.
811
00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:58,805
Around the same time,
812
00:51:58,854 --> 00:52:01,734
Sassen is secretly filmed
by an Argentinian filmmaker
813
00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:04,120
and asked about his
sessions with Eichmann.
814
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:07,650
MAN And he came
to you to write his memories?
815
00:52:07,651 --> 00:52:08,963
Yes.
816
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:13,800
We can give this book a
title: "Accountant of Death"
817
00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:20,433
And… "Accountant of Death."
818
00:52:20,888 --> 00:52:24,058
Yes, you have not
killed anyone. I know.
819
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:26,769
You have been an accountant.
820
00:52:27,937 --> 00:52:32,607
And… That was something,
those sessions…
821
00:52:36,237 --> 00:52:40,117
Now, are we finally done
with this recording?
822
00:52:40,449 --> 00:52:44,749
No, actually not, I have a
few more pages of questions,
823
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:48,423
but we can do this quickly.
824
00:52:48,916 --> 00:52:50,876
We're not done with the book?
825
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,590
That's why I just gave my
little concluding talk.
826
00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:00,181
That hardly matters.
827
00:53:00,928 --> 00:53:03,348
But what do you say
about these things,
828
00:53:03,431 --> 00:53:05,771
which so spontaneously
came from my heart?
829
00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:09,520
- What do you say, Comrade Sassen?
- I'm quite intrigued.
830
00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:10,654
Intrigued?
831
00:53:10,938 --> 00:53:12,358
Yes, very important.
832
00:53:13,581 --> 00:53:15,451
We are very fortunate
833
00:53:15,496 --> 00:53:18,626
that due to Sassen's delusions
834
00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:21,423
and Eichmann's vanity,
835
00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:23,939
we have an
incontrovertible confession
836
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:27,510
from the architect
of the Holocaust.
837
00:53:27,552 --> 00:53:30,212
So the tapes... the
legacy of the tapes,
838
00:53:31,164 --> 00:53:33,254
it's hopeful,
839
00:53:33,297 --> 00:53:37,777
which means that there's hope
that big lies can be exploded.
840
00:53:38,302 --> 00:53:41,832
Perpetrators of such crimes
841
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:44,090
should never feel comfortable
842
00:53:45,178 --> 00:53:46,878
that they can get
away with them.
843
00:53:46,919 --> 00:53:49,179
They might have
been sure in 1959,
844
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:53,317
but after 1960,
845
00:53:54,143 --> 00:53:58,193
they could never quite sleep as
soundly and that was a good thing.
846
00:54:04,784 --> 00:54:09,504
This court sentences
Adolf Eichmann to death.
847
00:54:33,574 --> 00:54:37,174
GABRIEL That man, Eichmann, whose
sole purpose was to destroy the Jewish people,
848
00:54:39,944 --> 00:54:43,284
had to stand trial
in an Israeli court
849
00:54:43,656 --> 00:54:50,246
with the symbol of the State of
Israel on the wall behind the judges,
850
00:54:50,496 --> 00:54:53,826
for me, that is an
unforgettable moment.
851
00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:59,507
It's something that provided us
with extraordinary satisfaction.
852
00:55:01,776 --> 00:55:04,206
It was six
months after the liberation.
853
00:55:04,207 --> 00:55:06,295
You see this shirt?
854
00:55:06,595 --> 00:55:10,635
A Jewish U.S. Army officer
who liberated us said,
855
00:55:10,725 --> 00:55:13,475
"Come, boy, the war
is over for you,
856
00:55:13,561 --> 00:55:15,231
come, let me dress you nicely."
857
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:19,900
This is the shirt. I've kept
it with me until this day.
858
00:55:23,237 --> 00:55:26,737
"I shall not die, but live, and
declare the works of the Lord,
859
00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:30,754
the Lord hath chastened me sore; but
He hath not given me over unto death."
860
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,290
And you will be able to
tell future generations
861
00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:37,463
that you heard about
Auschwitz firsthand.
862
00:55:39,003 --> 00:55:45,843
The fact that the Jewish people arose
and are able to judge their murderers,
863
00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:52,556
we are a nation that
cannot be trampled on.
864
00:55:58,006 --> 00:56:00,176
MICHAEL The first
time I visited Auschwitz,
865
00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:10,033
in the same barracks I
had been in Birkenau then,
866
00:56:10,117 --> 00:56:11,737
I put on Tefillin and prayed.
867
00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:16,714
I put on Tefillin and prayed.
868
00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:32,060
The human revenge
is five children,
869
00:56:32,139 --> 00:56:38,019
12 grandchildren, two
great-grandchildren, a wonderful wife.
870
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:42,530
That's my personal revenge,
but there is no revenge,
871
00:56:44,026 --> 00:56:45,436
it is consolation.
872
00:56:50,189 --> 00:56:52,149
TAMI He
didn't leave the Holocaust
873
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:56,036
and the Holocaust didn't leave
him, not for a single day.
874
00:56:57,123 --> 00:57:03,553
And I think that… it
wouldn't be farfetched to say
875
00:57:03,629 --> 00:57:07,549
that it also brought
him closer to his end,
876
00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:12,926
because his soul was scorched
opposite that glass booth.
877
00:57:13,764 --> 00:57:17,604
He really turned into
a different person.
69553