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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:54,418 --> 00:00:59,550 Conscious Dreaming 2 00:01:01,250 --> 00:01:03,976 For as long as we've been able to talk about our dreams, 3 00:01:04,001 --> 00:01:07,083 we've been fascinated by them and try to understand them. 4 00:01:07,814 --> 00:01:12,330 Within us, we have this inbuilt virtual reality. 5 00:01:12,434 --> 00:01:13,756 We don't have to make it up. 6 00:01:13,781 --> 00:01:15,840 We don't have to invent it. 7 00:01:15,865 --> 00:01:17,864 It's there already. 8 00:01:18,001 --> 00:01:20,090 Even though strange and impossible things 9 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:21,490 often happen in dreams, 10 00:01:21,728 --> 00:01:24,723 we usually realize it was a dream only after waking up. 11 00:01:25,396 --> 00:01:28,690 Many people will have experienced this at some point 12 00:01:28,715 --> 00:01:30,086 and realize it was a dream 13 00:01:30,110 --> 00:01:31,716 and then they will have woken up straight away. 14 00:01:32,236 --> 00:01:36,000 However, it is possible to learn, to become aware that you are dreaming 15 00:01:36,001 --> 00:01:38,000 and start controlling the events. 16 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:40,696 These dreams are called lucid dreams 17 00:01:40,721 --> 00:01:44,030 and the experience is like waking up in your dream. 18 00:01:44,456 --> 00:01:47,783 A lucid dream is when you become 19 00:01:47,808 --> 00:01:49,836 aware of the fact that you are the dreamer 20 00:01:49,861 --> 00:01:52,670 during the dream and you can actually vocalize that 21 00:01:52,695 --> 00:01:54,450 to yourself intellectually. 22 00:01:54,541 --> 00:01:56,323 But the odd thing about that is, it 23 00:01:56,348 --> 00:01:58,330 tends to go along with both the feeling of, 24 00:01:58,355 --> 00:02:00,716 oh, now I am aware in my dream 25 00:02:00,741 --> 00:02:02,816 or I've woken up in my dream. 26 00:02:02,841 --> 00:02:04,983 And also it goes along with a sense of 27 00:02:05,007 --> 00:02:07,429 control, that I can control my dream. 28 00:02:08,649 --> 00:02:10,516 It's much more than a vivid dream 'cause 29 00:02:10,541 --> 00:02:12,023 we all know what vivid dreams are like, 30 00:02:12,048 --> 00:02:14,070 but there's another element and that is 31 00:02:14,095 --> 00:02:17,171 that you are fully aware that you are in a dream. 32 00:02:17,196 --> 00:02:18,416 Everything's sort of solid. 33 00:02:18,441 --> 00:02:20,436 My God, this is a dream. 34 00:02:20,647 --> 00:02:22,983 It's an incredible situation. 35 00:02:24,496 --> 00:02:27,776 Lucid dreaming itself as a form of mind training 36 00:02:27,970 --> 00:02:29,116 goes a bit deeper. 37 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:32,070 That is using the canvas 38 00:02:32,094 --> 00:02:34,391 or the platform of the lucid dream 39 00:02:34,416 --> 00:02:37,743 to gain insight and access to levels of mind 40 00:02:37,768 --> 00:02:41,376 which in the waking state are often inaccessible. 41 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:48,258 - The only limit is your imagination. 42 00:02:48,283 --> 00:02:52,543 So whatever you can imagine you can do, you can pretty much do. 43 00:02:57,469 --> 00:02:59,083 In order to find out more about different 44 00:02:59,108 --> 00:03:01,196 techniques of becoming a lucid dreamer 45 00:03:01,283 --> 00:03:03,776 and the challenges faced along the way for beginners, 46 00:03:03,801 --> 00:03:06,800 three individuals have been selected and given different methods 47 00:03:06,825 --> 00:03:09,156 of trying to achieve their first lucid dream. 48 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,616 To ensure that the results are accurate representations of the techniques, 49 00:03:13,641 --> 00:03:16,640 each of the candidates were chosen with a consistent demographic. 50 00:03:16,767 --> 00:03:20,143 The first candidate to pursue their lucid dream is Melanie Hindle. 51 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:24,803 - My name is Melanie and I'm 26 years old. 52 00:03:25,463 --> 00:03:27,730 I like to socialize, obviously, 53 00:03:27,755 --> 00:03:29,410 like most young people do. 54 00:03:29,634 --> 00:03:31,823 And I like to travel mainly. 55 00:03:31,848 --> 00:03:34,890 That's like my, probably one of my main passions really. 56 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,176 I've always been a keen traveler. 57 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,945 - Melanie will be using meditation as a way 58 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:42,956 of becoming more aware in her waking life 59 00:03:42,981 --> 00:03:45,423 and will soon be meeting with a meditation teacher. 60 00:03:46,001 --> 00:03:48,304 Meditation is regarded as one of the most effective 61 00:03:48,329 --> 00:03:50,956 and important methods for inducing lucid dreaming. 62 00:03:51,614 --> 00:03:54,716 - Okay, so it was my friend Patricia who first told me about lucid dreaming 63 00:03:55,001 --> 00:03:56,536 just a couple of years ago, I think. 64 00:03:56,561 --> 00:03:58,850 And I was a bit cynical about it at first, 65 00:03:59,170 --> 00:04:00,976 but I did some reading into it 66 00:04:01,001 --> 00:04:04,000 and then I realized that it's actually not as uncommon 67 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:05,496 as I thought it was. 68 00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:07,809 So I took an interest in it from there. 69 00:04:09,043 --> 00:04:10,030 It would be amazing. 70 00:04:10,063 --> 00:04:11,807 It would be amazing to be conscious 71 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:13,690 in your dream and to be able to control it 72 00:04:13,715 --> 00:04:15,709 the direction that you'd like it to go. 73 00:04:16,626 --> 00:04:19,084 When I was a student, it was really impossible 74 00:04:19,109 --> 00:04:22,016 to talk about lucid dreaming within a scientific context. 75 00:04:22,654 --> 00:04:24,883 People then would say, "Oh, well, it's just 76 00:04:24,908 --> 00:04:27,943 people are lying or they're inventing it and it isn't really true." 77 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:30,603 There's been generally very little research 78 00:04:30,628 --> 00:04:34,923 for lucid dreaming because I would say funding difficulties. 79 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:37,070 Who's gonna fund a study when we can't 80 00:04:37,095 --> 00:04:39,690 see a good solid monetary outcome for it? 81 00:04:39,894 --> 00:04:41,670 It seems like the path of lucid dreaming 82 00:04:41,695 --> 00:04:45,679 may follow a similar path to that of clinical hypnosis. 83 00:04:46,110 --> 00:04:48,090 In that right now, we've got a lot of 84 00:04:48,115 --> 00:04:51,000 neuroscientific evidence around lucid dreaming, 85 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:52,909 a lot of psychological evidence. 86 00:04:52,934 --> 00:04:54,503 Around the benefits of lucid dreaming. 87 00:04:54,594 --> 00:04:57,323 And yet still, there's no such thing 88 00:04:57,348 --> 00:04:59,810 as a registered lucid dream therapist, 89 00:04:59,956 --> 00:05:01,143 but there could be. 90 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:04,403 Lucid dreaming was first scientifically verified 91 00:05:04,428 --> 00:05:08,038 in the early 70s by Keith Hearn 92 00:05:08,063 --> 00:05:09,743 at Hull University in the UK. 93 00:05:10,694 --> 00:05:12,383 It occurs to me one day, "Oh, wait a minute. 94 00:05:12,408 --> 00:05:14,369 This is called rapid eye movement sleep. 95 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:18,303 Although there's this profound paralysis, the eyes are not inhibited." 96 00:05:19,050 --> 00:05:23,000 So I set up an experiment with a lucid dreamer, 97 00:05:23,001 --> 00:05:25,090 a frequent lucid dreamer in a sleep lab. 98 00:05:25,534 --> 00:05:27,976 I'd previously told the subject before sleep, 99 00:05:28,001 --> 00:05:30,303 "Look, when you become aware you're dreaming, 100 00:05:30,467 --> 00:05:33,850 I want you to make some regular left-right eye movements." 101 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:35,874 These had come out in the chart record. 102 00:05:36,001 --> 00:05:38,976 I watched with great interest, and then suddenly 103 00:05:39,479 --> 00:05:41,479 a sequence of signals, 104 00:05:41,504 --> 00:05:44,270 left-right eye movements, and there they were. 105 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:46,750 Absolutely amazing. 106 00:05:47,001 --> 00:05:49,000 Consider the philosophy of this. 107 00:05:49,001 --> 00:05:51,870 There's the subject, unconscious, 108 00:05:51,895 --> 00:05:54,210 in his own sort of parallel universe 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,056 of dreams, and yet 110 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,831 knowing that, "Oh, I've got to 111 00:05:57,855 --> 00:06:00,886 signal to that other universe in which I am." 112 00:06:00,911 --> 00:06:05,169 And it was like getting signals from another planet. 113 00:06:05,550 --> 00:06:07,936 It was utterly staggering. 114 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:13,358 - Amy Thompson will be the second individual to attempt lucid dreaming 115 00:06:13,383 --> 00:06:15,136 over the course of the coming months. 116 00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:19,151 She will be focusing on using the traditional lucid dreaming techniques, 117 00:06:19,176 --> 00:06:22,349 such as reality testing and wake-back-to-bed methods. 118 00:06:24,489 --> 00:06:27,123 - I've lived in my wee village, Banton, 119 00:06:27,223 --> 00:06:28,450 for all my life now. 120 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:29,840 I've grown up there, 121 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:32,896 and I've had horses for all my life as well. 122 00:06:32,921 --> 00:06:34,476 I started maybe when I was about eight. 123 00:06:34,501 --> 00:06:35,930 It's a good hobby to get into, 124 00:06:36,125 --> 00:06:38,770 although it is an expensive one. 125 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,131 I've never heard about lucid dreaming before. 126 00:06:43,156 --> 00:06:48,000 Before, obviously I'd understood about all the different things you can do 127 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:49,603 and how you can control your dreams 128 00:06:49,735 --> 00:06:52,930 and be able to see and touch and do what you want. 129 00:06:53,001 --> 00:06:56,000 That was one of the first reasons I got interested into it. 130 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,863 In a few weeks, Amy will be meeting with Carolyn McCready, 131 00:07:01,050 --> 00:07:03,083 a lucid dreaming teacher who will go through 132 00:07:03,095 --> 00:07:05,000 the techniques of inducing lucid dreaming 133 00:07:05,001 --> 00:07:08,190 and help Amy in practicing the techniques which suit her best. 134 00:07:09,683 --> 00:07:12,000 - I think it'd be very exciting to hear 135 00:07:12,001 --> 00:07:15,443 from an expert's point of view what lucid dreaming is. 136 00:07:15,468 --> 00:07:18,156 I'm really excited to hear about her dreams 137 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,151 and her stories and about all the different people 138 00:07:20,175 --> 00:07:22,493 she's met, and I'm really confident that 139 00:07:22,936 --> 00:07:24,383 maybe not straight afterwards 140 00:07:24,408 --> 00:07:26,336 I'll have a lucid dream, but hopefully 141 00:07:26,403 --> 00:07:28,376 if I just keep working on it, then I will 142 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,036 I will experience my first one. 143 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,218 Can anybody learn to lucid dream? 144 00:07:33,243 --> 00:07:35,000 Yes, in my experience. 145 00:07:35,001 --> 00:07:37,610 I mean, I haven't been teaching long, like four or five years, 146 00:07:37,876 --> 00:07:40,803 but I'm yet to find somebody who can't do it. 147 00:07:41,216 --> 00:07:43,670 There is no equipment you need to buy to lucid dream. 148 00:07:44,001 --> 00:07:46,143 Whether you sleep in a gutter or a palace, 149 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,596 you can lucid dream. 150 00:07:48,001 --> 00:07:49,143 Don't have to be Buddhist 151 00:07:49,407 --> 00:07:50,236 Don't have to be atheist 152 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:51,216 Don't have to be Christian 153 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,216 Don't have to be anything 154 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,963 All you have to be is asleep. 155 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,616 I think some people are 156 00:07:56,013 --> 00:07:58,486 maybe more naturally adapted to it than others. 157 00:07:58,807 --> 00:08:00,663 Like a language or, 158 00:08:00,820 --> 00:08:03,030 you know, some people are better at math than others. 159 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:05,609 It's that kind of thing, but I think everyone can do it. 160 00:08:05,714 --> 00:08:07,713 Some people get lucid the first night 161 00:08:08,001 --> 00:08:11,000 after coming to like a half hour talk at a music festival. 162 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:12,890 One dude, it took him like a year, 163 00:08:12,914 --> 00:08:14,276 and he was coming to everything. 164 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,103 He was coming to like every talk, every workshop, 165 00:08:16,127 --> 00:08:17,378 every retreat, and I was like 166 00:08:17,403 --> 00:08:18,476 wanting to give him his money back. 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,662 I was like, "Oh, sorry, dude." 168 00:08:19,829 --> 00:08:21,883 But eventually even he had his lucid dream. 169 00:08:22,090 --> 00:08:23,503 So everyone can learn how to do it. 170 00:08:26,050 --> 00:08:28,736 - The third and final person to take part is Katie Riley, 171 00:08:28,761 --> 00:08:30,338 who will be using modern technology, 172 00:08:30,363 --> 00:08:33,383 which is designed to help her in lucid dreaming practice. 173 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,809 - My name's Katie Riley. 174 00:08:35,834 --> 00:08:39,050 I'm 20 years old, and I'm from the Scottish Borders. 175 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,110 From a young age, I wanted to be in theater. 176 00:08:43,323 --> 00:08:47,000 I enjoyed, well, dancing mostly first, 177 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,683 and then I got into singing when I was at school. 178 00:08:49,708 --> 00:08:52,000 I played piano from a young age as well. 179 00:08:57,883 --> 00:09:00,075 I haven't heard of lucid dreaming. 180 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,136 I mean, I might've heard of it, but it's 181 00:09:02,243 --> 00:09:05,000 definitely nothing I've ever known about 182 00:09:05,001 --> 00:09:06,423 or looked into at all. 183 00:09:07,001 --> 00:09:09,583 I think things like that would sometimes, 184 00:09:09,595 --> 00:09:11,729 I wouldn't believe in stuff like that, 185 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:16,000 but actually looking into it, it's made me more interested about actually 186 00:09:16,001 --> 00:09:17,456 what you can do and what can happen. 187 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:21,398 Recently, lucid dreaming technology has become more accessible 188 00:09:21,423 --> 00:09:23,430 thanks to the rapid increase in iPhone apps 189 00:09:23,455 --> 00:09:25,550 and more affordable lucid dreaming masks. 190 00:09:25,687 --> 00:09:27,849 Katie will be testing both the iPhone apps 191 00:09:27,874 --> 00:09:29,576 and a mask to see if these new waveforms 192 00:09:29,601 --> 00:09:31,600 of inducing lucid dreaming are beneficial. 193 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:35,770 Before each of the candidates pursue their individual methods, 194 00:09:35,827 --> 00:09:38,324 Melanie, Amy, and Katie have arranged to meet 195 00:09:38,349 --> 00:09:40,616 in order to discuss what they would like to gain 196 00:09:40,641 --> 00:09:42,576 from the experience if they were successful 197 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,243 in achieving a lucid dream. 198 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:48,956 That's exactly what I was gonna say. 199 00:09:48,981 --> 00:09:50,131 I'm terrified of heights though. 200 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:51,889 But because if you're lucid dreaming, 201 00:09:51,913 --> 00:09:53,065 you'll be able to get over that fear 202 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:54,296 because you won't be scared be cause you'll be like, 203 00:09:54,321 --> 00:09:55,270 ah, I know I'm dreaming, 204 00:09:55,295 --> 00:09:57,000 and so I'm not gonna be scared of that. 205 00:09:57,001 --> 00:09:58,810 I think that would be the best thing as well. 206 00:09:59,001 --> 00:10:00,769 I think interest and things like that, 207 00:10:00,794 --> 00:10:03,793 like magic stuff like flying and everything like that. 208 00:10:03,818 --> 00:10:06,358 Yeah, I want to solve problems definitely 209 00:10:06,383 --> 00:10:08,000 in my day-to-day life 'cause again, 210 00:10:08,001 --> 00:10:11,000 I read in a book that you can ask questions. 211 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:12,000 So once you realize you're dreaming, 212 00:10:12,001 --> 00:10:15,000 you can go, well, what am I gonna do about this situation? 213 00:10:15,001 --> 00:10:16,623 Because I think my subconscious would 214 00:10:16,655 --> 00:10:19,490 definitely have something to say about it. 215 00:10:20,910 --> 00:10:24,870 Which one of you do you think would be the most likely one to get one? 216 00:10:25,103 --> 00:10:26,198 I think Mel. I think Mel. 217 00:10:26,223 --> 00:10:27,229 Yeah. I think Mel. 218 00:10:32,063 --> 00:10:34,823 It feels wonderfully free to be in a lucid dream. 219 00:10:35,450 --> 00:10:37,303 Here I am in this amazing world 220 00:10:37,467 --> 00:10:39,396 that's all kind of strange and dreamlike 221 00:10:39,534 --> 00:10:42,703 that I can change, flow through, manipulate. 222 00:10:42,977 --> 00:10:44,676 It's a lovely, free feeling. 223 00:10:44,701 --> 00:10:47,743 Normally, when a person becomes lucid, 224 00:10:47,983 --> 00:10:49,976 they do so because they notice 225 00:10:50,001 --> 00:10:54,000 some incredible incongruity in the dream. 226 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:56,196 Like you see someone who's dead. 227 00:10:56,327 --> 00:10:59,521 You're like, wait a minute, this is so weird. 228 00:10:59,546 --> 00:11:00,813 This is all fake. 229 00:11:01,423 --> 00:11:03,616 Everything seems solid, but paradoxically, 230 00:11:03,641 --> 00:11:06,449 you can push your hand through a wall, 231 00:11:06,474 --> 00:11:07,716 a door, anything. 232 00:11:07,787 --> 00:11:09,516 The best way I can describe it is probably 233 00:11:09,541 --> 00:11:11,251 from a film that I've seen recently. 234 00:11:11,276 --> 00:11:13,670 It was the race of the Planet of the Apes. 235 00:11:13,783 --> 00:11:17,623 When the apes were sort of in the cages and someone 236 00:11:17,876 --> 00:11:19,346 gave them this chemical. 237 00:11:19,527 --> 00:11:20,720 In the morning, they woke up. 238 00:11:20,745 --> 00:11:21,896 They looked at the hands. 239 00:11:21,921 --> 00:11:25,345 They looked at each other and they're like, oh my God, 240 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:28,245 I know that this is me and I'm aware of myself. 241 00:11:28,270 --> 00:11:31,000 And this is almost how it feels in the lucid dream. 242 00:11:31,001 --> 00:11:32,516 It's an amazing thing. 243 00:11:32,594 --> 00:11:34,890 But beyond that is so much more as well. 244 00:11:35,001 --> 00:11:38,000 I mean, consciousness is something that modern science can't explain. 245 00:11:38,001 --> 00:11:40,749 And this is a firsthand way 246 00:11:40,774 --> 00:11:42,996 to kind of explore your own consciousness 247 00:11:43,150 --> 00:11:45,596 and maybe the greater consciousness as well. 248 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:47,670 In my first lucid dream, 249 00:11:47,694 --> 00:11:49,683 I was walking along a beach. 250 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:51,707 It was just an ordinary, vivid dream. 251 00:11:51,732 --> 00:11:53,503 It seemed to be the south of France. 252 00:11:53,528 --> 00:11:54,963 Everything was perfect. 253 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:58,360 Then I suddenly saw some coins on the 254 00:11:58,372 --> 00:12:01,396 beach and it seemed to be like a gold coin, 255 00:12:01,674 --> 00:12:02,674 about that big. 256 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:06,000 So wait a minute, this is a dream. 257 00:12:06,001 --> 00:12:08,000 This is a lucid dream. 258 00:12:08,001 --> 00:12:12,040 Now, for purely scientific purposes, 259 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:14,636 I decided to conjure up a young lady. 260 00:12:14,661 --> 00:12:16,636 So I could talk to her. 261 00:12:17,050 --> 00:12:19,430 So I looked down and I looked up again. 262 00:12:19,455 --> 00:12:23,709 It had worked because there's this woman walking towards me. 263 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,483 Anyway, she came up to me and she said, hello, my name is Jane. 264 00:12:27,508 --> 00:12:29,903 But you know, a couple of weeks later, I 265 00:12:29,928 --> 00:12:32,575 actually met that girl and her name was Jane. 266 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,410 I went out with her a couple of years or so. 267 00:12:44,443 --> 00:12:47,716 So today I'm meeting with Caroline McKinney 268 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:49,976 who is a lucid dream expert. 269 00:12:50,001 --> 00:12:52,956 Very excited, but I'm kind of nervous as well. 270 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:57,610 So thank you very much for seeing me today, Caroline. 271 00:12:57,635 --> 00:12:59,363 Now for my talk. 272 00:12:59,590 --> 00:13:01,563 So what I wanted to speak to yourself about 273 00:13:01,588 --> 00:13:02,670 was lucid dreaming. 274 00:13:02,695 --> 00:13:06,516 So if you were to get into lucid dreaming as a beginner, 275 00:13:06,541 --> 00:13:09,629 what kind of techniques would you start off using? 276 00:13:09,907 --> 00:13:11,570 So the most important thing, 277 00:13:11,594 --> 00:13:13,594 number one thing is a dream journal. 278 00:13:13,961 --> 00:13:16,110 And a lot of people start their dream journal 279 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:17,676 and then after a couple of weeks, 280 00:13:17,701 --> 00:13:19,576 they get bored of writing down all their dreams. 281 00:13:19,867 --> 00:13:23,175 But that's when people really stop having lucid dreams 282 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,903 is when they let the dream journal slide. 283 00:13:24,928 --> 00:13:27,452 So I can't emphasize enough, it's really, 284 00:13:27,477 --> 00:13:29,116 really important to have a dream journal. 285 00:13:29,841 --> 00:13:33,611 One thing you can do is reality tests 286 00:13:33,636 --> 00:13:34,756 or state tests. 287 00:13:34,781 --> 00:13:38,869 And that's things that are kind of checking your state of reality. 288 00:13:39,096 --> 00:13:42,316 We are unlikely to recognize the dream as a dream 289 00:13:42,596 --> 00:13:45,063 because we don't question 290 00:13:45,087 --> 00:13:47,087 this waking reality very much. 291 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,803 We just go along like we know exactly what's happening. 292 00:13:50,001 --> 00:13:52,483 Most often people would look at their hands 293 00:13:52,508 --> 00:13:54,836 and they would just check, am I dreaming right now? 294 00:13:55,343 --> 00:13:58,103 And sometimes you can, for example, pull your finger. 295 00:13:58,463 --> 00:14:00,485 The idea is that if you do this 296 00:14:00,510 --> 00:14:03,083 several times during the day you create a habit. 297 00:14:03,256 --> 00:14:05,116 So in your dream, suddenly you ask yourself, 298 00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:07,316 oh, am I dreaming right now? 299 00:14:07,823 --> 00:14:10,111 And your finger goes longer and you realize, 300 00:14:10,136 --> 00:14:12,000 oh my God, I'm actually dreaming right now. 301 00:14:12,001 --> 00:14:14,000 Another technique which I particularly like 302 00:14:14,001 --> 00:14:17,578 is to write a "C" on your hand for consciousness, 303 00:14:17,603 --> 00:14:19,196 but it doesn't matter what you write. 304 00:14:19,270 --> 00:14:22,449 All day long, you look at this thing written on your hand 305 00:14:22,473 --> 00:14:23,592 again and again 306 00:14:23,616 --> 00:14:26,810 and whenever you see it, you say, am I conscious now? 307 00:14:27,123 --> 00:14:28,763 And you keep on doing that all day. 308 00:14:28,788 --> 00:14:30,876 And with any luck, then you'll do it in a dream. 309 00:14:31,001 --> 00:14:33,331 And if you do that first thing when you wake up, 310 00:14:33,356 --> 00:14:36,796 then quite often you will find you wake up 311 00:14:36,821 --> 00:14:39,026 into a false awakening and you can come loose that way. 312 00:14:39,136 --> 00:14:40,856 So it's a really good habit to have 313 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:43,663 to do some kind of reality check as soon as you wake up. 314 00:14:44,043 --> 00:14:48,349 A false awakening is where you dream that you're woken up 315 00:14:48,374 --> 00:14:52,609 and you are absolutely convinced you are awake. 316 00:14:52,827 --> 00:14:54,670 It's your bedroom, it's all there. 317 00:14:54,695 --> 00:14:56,694 Everything is as it is. 318 00:14:56,719 --> 00:14:59,056 But you might then go to the bathroom, 319 00:14:59,081 --> 00:15:01,976 cleaning your teeth, pull the curtains, 320 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,603 and it's not your road outside. 321 00:15:04,628 --> 00:15:06,590 So then you go, ah, and the 322 00:15:06,614 --> 00:15:08,503 shock usually will then wake you up. 323 00:15:08,528 --> 00:15:10,756 But you can get repeated false awakenings. 324 00:15:10,781 --> 00:15:13,165 I once spoke to a woman when she was at school. 325 00:15:13,190 --> 00:15:16,810 She dreamed that she thought she'd woken up. 326 00:15:16,835 --> 00:15:19,834 You went down for breakfast, but then she woke up. 327 00:15:20,316 --> 00:15:22,383 She got on a bus to go to school. 328 00:15:22,568 --> 00:15:25,567 The bell went in school, then she woke up. 329 00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:27,790 This happened half a dozen times. 330 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:32,361 Now this is the ultimate nightmare 331 00:15:32,386 --> 00:15:35,275 because she said to this day, 332 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:39,470 "I do not know whether I'm awake or dreaming.". 333 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,336 That's pretty nightmarish. 334 00:15:48,803 --> 00:15:50,783 Carolyn MacReady is one in a growing 335 00:15:50,808 --> 00:15:52,863 number of lucid dreaming teachers in the UK 336 00:15:52,888 --> 00:15:54,774 who hold a monthly lucid dream group 337 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:56,750 where people can come to share their dreams 338 00:15:56,775 --> 00:15:58,476 and gain advice on their practice. 339 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:01,323 Amy joined the group for a session in London. 340 00:16:01,814 --> 00:16:03,204 I've actually had a couple of dreams 341 00:16:03,229 --> 00:16:07,185 where I've been interacting with someone in my life 342 00:16:07,210 --> 00:16:08,790 that I've been having some problems with. 343 00:16:09,025 --> 00:16:10,390 And I was like, I'm in New York. 344 00:16:10,415 --> 00:16:12,203 I want to go to my sister's flat. 345 00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:18,722 And I went into her flat 346 00:16:18,767 --> 00:16:21,323 and I was like, I want to write her a note. 347 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:26,576 And I was like, I've got to pin it up somewhere where she's going to see it. 348 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,000 I literally did that and I wrote this note just saying, 349 00:16:31,001 --> 00:16:33,391 I really want us to be more in touch with each other 350 00:16:33,416 --> 00:16:34,876 and things like that, things I want to say. 351 00:16:34,901 --> 00:16:36,405 And I pinned it up in her flat. 352 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:39,731 And then I came out of it 353 00:16:39,755 --> 00:16:41,043 and I woke up and I was like, 354 00:16:41,068 --> 00:16:42,796 yeah, she's gotten that note. 355 00:16:43,001 --> 00:16:45,000 It was just this feeling of this connection. 356 00:16:46,716 --> 00:16:48,496 We should move on to Amy. 357 00:16:48,521 --> 00:16:50,870 What would you like to either share or ask? 358 00:16:51,606 --> 00:16:54,756 I do feel like I do have weird dreams. 359 00:16:54,847 --> 00:16:58,846 Job that I currently work at just now, I've been working as a barmaid. 360 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:01,576 Usually after that, when I go back 361 00:17:01,601 --> 00:17:05,310 to my bed, I wake up kind of, and I feel like, 362 00:17:05,594 --> 00:17:08,593 it's not as if I wake up, I feel like I'm still dreaming. 363 00:17:09,125 --> 00:17:11,251 Do you actually get out of bed at any point? 364 00:17:11,276 --> 00:17:13,850 You do, yeah, 'cause I had this with something I did. 365 00:17:13,875 --> 00:17:15,470 Now I get out of bed and look for somebody 366 00:17:15,495 --> 00:17:17,230 and then realise, oh no, they're not here 367 00:17:17,356 --> 00:17:18,000 and go to bed. 368 00:17:18,001 --> 00:17:20,258 Yeah, that's usually, eventually comes to that point. 369 00:17:20,283 --> 00:17:23,243 But for ages, I'm fighting to part with it. 370 00:17:23,268 --> 00:17:26,001 It's just something where I had a responsibility and sometimes I can't. 371 00:17:31,523 --> 00:17:34,496 Today, I'm hoping to just learn more tips 372 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:36,769 because I know that meditation is one of 373 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,710 the ways to help you have a lucid dream. 374 00:17:38,735 --> 00:17:41,171 I think that's gonna be really good to learn how to do that properly 375 00:17:41,196 --> 00:17:43,510 because I've always liked the idea of meditation, 376 00:17:43,535 --> 00:17:45,776 but I've just never really known how to do it. 377 00:17:45,801 --> 00:17:46,796 I've never really got into it. 378 00:17:46,821 --> 00:17:47,976 I've never given it the time of day. 379 00:17:50,223 --> 00:17:54,000 Well, I've been practicing meditation probably about 17 years now. 380 00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:55,650 I'm quite a lucid dreamer. 381 00:17:55,675 --> 00:17:57,976 I dream every night and I remember my dreams. 382 00:17:58,350 --> 00:18:00,171 When I teach, I always start with showing people 383 00:18:00,196 --> 00:18:02,000 how to relax their body. 384 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:03,216 But we do it seated. 385 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:06,000 We don't do it lying down for the obvious reason 386 00:18:06,001 --> 00:18:08,543 that if you're lying down, you will go to sleep. 387 00:18:08,814 --> 00:18:11,660 And really, teaching you things that aren't 388 00:18:12,126 --> 00:18:13,684 you relying on a teacher, 389 00:18:13,709 --> 00:18:16,970 but more that you can take into your normal daily life. 390 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:19,976 So we'll do a bit of body relaxation first. 391 00:18:20,001 --> 00:18:22,616 So like I said, you'll have to be seated. 392 00:18:22,641 --> 00:18:25,300 So I need you to turn so that you're actually side onto me 393 00:18:25,325 --> 00:18:27,883 and you're gonna need that cushion underneath your feet. 394 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:28,756 All right. 395 00:18:28,781 --> 00:18:31,363 And then I'll ask you to close your eyes. 396 00:18:32,226 --> 00:18:34,190 And then we'll start with the breath. 397 00:18:34,525 --> 00:18:37,000 Because the breath is the anchor in any meditation. 398 00:18:37,438 --> 00:18:39,629 Just noticing as you breathe in and out, 399 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:41,176 the air coming in and out, 400 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,383 whether you're breathing in and out of your nose. 401 00:18:43,496 --> 00:18:44,670 Or breathing in your mouth. 402 00:18:46,001 --> 00:18:48,123 I think the key to lucid dreaming 403 00:18:48,147 --> 00:18:49,750 is meditation in essence. 404 00:18:49,775 --> 00:18:51,896 Meditation is something 405 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,483 that we in the Western world 406 00:18:53,770 --> 00:18:55,443 have our own misguided view of. 407 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,876 It's not what people think it is. 408 00:18:57,901 --> 00:18:59,496 That is to say, it's not learning 409 00:18:59,521 --> 00:19:01,175 how to think and think deeply. 410 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,670 It's the exact opposite. 411 00:19:02,695 --> 00:19:03,630 It's learning not to think. 412 00:19:03,655 --> 00:19:05,489 Some people can go a whole day 413 00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:07,970 and the whole day almost goes by like a dream. 414 00:19:08,001 --> 00:19:09,171 You know, they're doing the same job. 415 00:19:09,196 --> 00:19:10,894 They're taking the same commute 416 00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:15,463 and they don't really live that day in the present moment. 417 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:18,016 It's very interesting that people who meditate. 418 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:20,543 Say they have lucid dreams more often. 419 00:19:20,861 --> 00:19:22,976 And this is not just an anecdotal thing. 420 00:19:23,001 --> 00:19:25,703 There is actually evidence that increasing meditation 421 00:19:25,728 --> 00:19:27,256 increases lucid dream. 422 00:19:28,270 --> 00:19:31,576 And you can open your eyes when you feel you want to. 423 00:19:31,721 --> 00:19:33,210 Have a stop. 424 00:19:34,001 --> 00:19:35,830 Have a wee drink of water. 425 00:19:35,855 --> 00:19:36,705 Oh my God. 426 00:19:36,907 --> 00:19:38,906 - You okay? - Yeah. 427 00:19:39,001 --> 00:19:40,001 - Whoa. 428 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,000 That was amazing. 429 00:19:51,343 --> 00:19:53,691 Today, Katie is researching information 430 00:19:53,716 --> 00:19:55,603 about the different lucid dreaming devices 431 00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:57,410 which are available to the public. 432 00:19:57,761 --> 00:20:00,611 - Yeah, so for the past few days, I've been 433 00:20:00,636 --> 00:20:03,358 looking at apps to do with lucid dreaming. 434 00:20:03,383 --> 00:20:05,623 One is called DreamOn. 435 00:20:06,001 --> 00:20:08,000 DreamOn is a very straightforward idea. 436 00:20:08,001 --> 00:20:10,610 It's an app that aims to influence your dreams. 437 00:20:10,635 --> 00:20:11,899 So before you go to bed, 438 00:20:11,923 --> 00:20:13,923 you indicate what time you'd like to wake up 439 00:20:14,001 --> 00:20:16,000 and also what kind of dream you'd like to have. 440 00:20:16,001 --> 00:20:17,783 Put the iPhone next to you on the bed. 441 00:20:17,808 --> 00:20:19,425 It starts to monitor your movement. 442 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:22,275 When you are very still, it's an indication that you're dreaming 443 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,736 and it will quietly play in a soundscape 444 00:20:24,947 --> 00:20:27,123 that matches the sorts of dreams you want to have. 445 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:29,270 And the theory is that it influences your dreams. 446 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:31,930 Once they have this idea of their dream being influenced, 447 00:20:31,955 --> 00:20:33,358 some of those dreams become lucid, 448 00:20:33,383 --> 00:20:36,710 that they start to be able to take control of the dream. 449 00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:40,570 Also, I've been looking at the Remy mask device as well, 450 00:20:41,001 --> 00:20:43,910 which I'm going to use to try and see 451 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:47,000 what happens when I put it on at night. 452 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:49,425 There are a lot of kind of electronic devices 453 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:52,000 that help you lucid dream and iPhone apps 454 00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:55,410 and HemiSync CDs and all these kinds of things. 455 00:20:55,536 --> 00:20:56,416 They're cool 456 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,138 and they can help you lucid dream. 457 00:20:58,163 --> 00:21:01,210 That's great, but I think they should be viewed as stabilizers on a bike. 458 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:05,710 You know, use them until you know how to cycle on your own 459 00:21:05,735 --> 00:21:08,000 and then you can remove the stabilizers. 460 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,730 One of the weird things about lucid dreams 461 00:21:10,755 --> 00:21:12,803 is if you read about them or 462 00:21:12,827 --> 00:21:14,623 hear about them or go to a lecture about them, 463 00:21:14,648 --> 00:21:16,856 it tends to make you have them more often. 464 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:23,000 We met Caroline and basically she was just going over 465 00:21:23,001 --> 00:21:26,000 what lucid dreaming is and why she does it. 466 00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:29,000 At first I did think, is this for just certain people? 467 00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:30,000 Can everyone do it? 468 00:21:30,001 --> 00:21:32,703 After speaking to her, that did give me the confidence 469 00:21:32,728 --> 00:21:34,876 and the excitement to try this. 470 00:21:35,787 --> 00:21:38,045 So when I had the one-to-one meditation session, 471 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:40,064 it just taught me the sort of basics that 472 00:21:40,076 --> 00:21:42,000 beginners need to know for meditation. 473 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:43,430 I wouldn't say I was cynical before I went, 474 00:21:43,455 --> 00:21:45,416 but it's definitely made me realize 475 00:21:45,441 --> 00:21:46,976 why people do meditation. 476 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,463 It's really, really helpful. 477 00:21:48,616 --> 00:21:51,156 I'm 99% at the moment that I'll have one. 478 00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:53,000 Is that too high? 479 00:21:59,063 --> 00:22:01,236 Tonight when I go to bed, I will put it on, 480 00:22:01,261 --> 00:22:04,316 and flick the switch and see what happens. 481 00:22:05,363 --> 00:22:07,193 I think the motivation and the intention, 482 00:22:07,205 --> 00:22:09,318 it's a huge part of lucid dreaming. 483 00:22:09,343 --> 00:22:11,225 Because once you really understand 484 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:13,718 what benefits you can get from lucid dreaming, 485 00:22:13,743 --> 00:22:17,000 then you're sending your unconscious a message 486 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:19,325 that this is your intention and you really wanna do it. 487 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:24,465 Lucid dreams have an enormous potential for everyone. 488 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:27,323 We spend a third of our lives in that space asleep. 489 00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:31,000 So we're active anyway, you're not resting during dreaming. 490 00:22:31,001 --> 00:22:32,766 So we might as well make use of that 491 00:22:32,778 --> 00:22:35,000 non-rest time so you could use lucid dreaming 492 00:22:35,001 --> 00:22:38,225 to just sustain egoistic fantasy, 493 00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:41,518 to engage in like hedonistic sexual orgies 494 00:22:41,543 --> 00:22:43,090 like I used to do when I was a teenager. 495 00:22:43,256 --> 00:22:46,525 We also can help people who are 496 00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:51,071 incarcerated, but if they can at least escape, 497 00:22:51,856 --> 00:22:53,673 almost literally in their dreams because 498 00:22:53,685 --> 00:22:56,843 they can be anywhere doing anything. 499 00:22:57,616 --> 00:22:59,000 People who are paralyzed. 500 00:22:59,323 --> 00:23:01,458 Robert Wagner mentions a guy who, 501 00:23:01,483 --> 00:23:04,710 within a dream said, "Show me the most amazing painting "I can paint." 502 00:23:05,116 --> 00:23:09,000 And he saw this amazing painting, all fully formed. 503 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:13,000 And he painted that painting exactly as he saw it. 504 00:23:13,263 --> 00:23:16,770 And as he was painting it, he said it was as though he'd painted it before. 505 00:23:16,795 --> 00:23:19,188 If you can cure yourself of a phobia 506 00:23:19,213 --> 00:23:21,807 in a lucid dream, if you can face a fear, 507 00:23:21,881 --> 00:23:23,880 if you can engage a past trauma 508 00:23:23,905 --> 00:23:25,904 which you were too scared to engage in the waking state, 509 00:23:26,001 --> 00:23:28,670 if you can do that in the lucid dream, you'll wake up 510 00:23:28,695 --> 00:23:30,856 and your waking state will be very different. 511 00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:33,135 You get on the tube, you see the miserable 512 00:23:33,147 --> 00:23:35,000 looking people that are sitting there, 513 00:23:35,001 --> 00:23:39,000 but an hour beforehand, they'd all been flying over the Grand Canyon. 514 00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:41,000 They'd all look rather good, you know? 515 00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:45,000 Because a good dream can really make your day. 516 00:23:45,001 --> 00:23:48,405 Yeah, people are often worried that if you do loads of lucid dreaming, 517 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:52,000 you're gonna get like really ungrounded, really floaty, hippy, like, 518 00:23:52,001 --> 00:23:53,000 "Oh, where's the dream? 519 00:23:53,001 --> 00:23:54,000 "Where's reality? 520 00:23:54,001 --> 00:23:54,638 "Am I alive?" 521 00:23:54,663 --> 00:23:56,000 It's like rubbish. 522 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:57,790 The opposite happens. 523 00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:00,976 You know, the unconscious mind is very happy for us to be lucid. 524 00:24:01,001 --> 00:24:03,000 It wants us there, saying, "Yeah, come on. 525 00:24:03,001 --> 00:24:04,100 "Be conscious. 526 00:24:04,125 --> 00:24:06,638 "Let, you know, listen to what I've been trying to tell you 527 00:24:06,663 --> 00:24:08,463 "every single night of your life.". 528 00:24:15,234 --> 00:24:18,536 3 Months Later 529 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,796 Because I've kept track with a dream diary now, 530 00:24:24,821 --> 00:24:27,570 which I never have before, I've definitely started to realise 531 00:24:27,595 --> 00:24:31,736 that whatever's going on in your life is reflected in your dreams. 532 00:24:31,761 --> 00:24:33,351 - I've seen a difference in my life. 533 00:24:33,376 --> 00:24:34,756 Like, over the last few months, 534 00:24:34,781 --> 00:24:37,531 I've become more confident to try new things 535 00:24:37,974 --> 00:24:39,973 and not care about what anyone else thinks. 536 00:24:40,256 --> 00:24:44,236 I used to wake myself up during the night and believe I was still at work. 537 00:24:44,474 --> 00:24:46,183 But after doing this experiment, 538 00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:48,210 it's actually taken that away. 539 00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:51,923 I do tend to meditate a lot more. 540 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:53,948 Like, even if I'm like on the bus on the way home, 541 00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:55,640 sometimes I just sit there and look out 542 00:24:55,652 --> 00:24:57,101 the window and try and clear my mind. 543 00:24:57,126 --> 00:24:58,917 That's been really beneficial, like 544 00:24:59,401 --> 00:25:00,976 learning how to do that. 545 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,290 So, unfortunately, I don't think I've actually 546 00:25:03,403 --> 00:25:05,970 managed to have a lucid dream yet. 547 00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:09,556 I think I've had something similar to a lucid dream. 548 00:25:09,821 --> 00:25:12,690 The weird thing is I've always, every time I've been dreaming and I wake up 549 00:25:12,715 --> 00:25:16,603 and I think I forgot to do the test, but that one time I remembered to do it 550 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:19,110 and I remember my finger went through my hand 551 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,000 and then I tried my finger and my finger went dead long. 552 00:25:22,001 --> 00:25:24,000 Like, I knew I was dreaming, 553 00:25:24,593 --> 00:25:25,976 but the dream was of a lucid dream. 554 00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:30,000 It's really hard to explain, but I do think it has opened up a wee doorway. 555 00:25:30,450 --> 00:25:33,000 So, basically, I thought I'd had a lucid dream 556 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000 not long ago and I woke up and I was really excited about it. 557 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:40,000 So I did some research online, but it turned out that what had happened 558 00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:42,000 was actually called sleep paralysis, 559 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,516 which is a good sign because that can help you 560 00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:48,976 it can develop into a lucid dream. 561 00:25:49,001 --> 00:25:52,000 So, shortly after, it can't have even been a week past, 562 00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:55,323 the same thing happened and I had this sleep paralysis. 563 00:25:55,568 --> 00:25:58,516 But because I'd researched it and understood what it was, 564 00:25:59,303 --> 00:26:04,000 I managed to develop that into a lucid dream there and then 565 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:08,270 because I was telling myself, you're not awake, this isn't happening. 566 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,389 Once I realised, actually, you're just 567 00:26:10,401 --> 00:26:12,663 dreaming and you're aware that you're dreaming, 568 00:26:12,688 --> 00:26:14,687 that's how it developed into the lucid dream. 569 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,804 In my lucid dream, I ended up flying and 570 00:26:18,816 --> 00:26:21,016 that was amazing because that's exactly 571 00:26:21,041 --> 00:26:22,041 what I wanted to do. 572 00:26:23,813 --> 00:26:24,813 I flew, man. 573 00:26:29,716 --> 00:26:31,863 What do you guys think about the idea that this world 574 00:26:31,888 --> 00:26:34,790 where we are just now is some kind of a dream or an illusion? 575 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:38,850 I don't believe that our life is all just a dream, I don't believe that. 576 00:26:39,001 --> 00:26:40,471 I still want to think about it. 577 00:26:40,496 --> 00:26:43,263 Are we all sleeping just now in another body? 578 00:26:44,109 --> 00:26:46,075 But you might just wake up and this is a dream. 579 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,570 And then you're like, "Oh, I dreamt last 580 00:26:47,582 --> 00:26:49,101 night "that we were at that coffee shop." 581 00:26:49,125 --> 00:26:51,486 I don't think life is a dream because 582 00:26:51,498 --> 00:26:53,636 I dream and I don't want to believe it. 583 00:26:54,663 --> 00:26:57,643 Man, I don't know, now I'm totally confused. 584 00:26:58,343 --> 00:27:00,856 It's a very human thing to just basically accept 585 00:27:00,881 --> 00:27:03,318 what's in front of your eyes and believe what you hear. 586 00:27:03,343 --> 00:27:05,310 Some people would say, "Well, it's all an illusion." 587 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:08,000 Coming from the lucid dreaming where everything 588 00:27:08,323 --> 00:27:13,336 seems to be as solid, as tangible, as real, 589 00:27:14,063 --> 00:27:15,597 I believe it's all a dream. 590 00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:19,391 I agree with that, that's definitely what I've experienced, 591 00:27:19,743 --> 00:27:25,000 that this is a dream and there's something bigger than us dreaming us. 592 00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:29,000 Actually, you can't really say everything is a dream. 593 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:32,000 It's like saying everything is black, 594 00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:34,538 then you must compare it to something else, 595 00:27:34,563 --> 00:27:36,490 which is not a dream, what would that be? 596 00:27:36,783 --> 00:27:39,245 So you can never know for certain, 597 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:40,836 there's always that philosophical argument 598 00:27:40,861 --> 00:27:42,976 that everything is a dream, and so on. 599 00:27:43,001 --> 00:27:45,000 In conclusion, what I would say is. 600 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:49,000 The only way you would ever know that you're dreaming 601 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,730 was if you were awake in a dream. 602 00:27:50,834 --> 00:27:54,750 Likewise, right now, this experience, you'll only ever understand what it is 603 00:27:54,775 --> 00:27:56,774 when you're awake in this experience. 604 00:27:57,150 --> 00:28:01,756 In essence, there's only the waking up to do. 605 00:28:01,781 --> 00:28:03,780 And once you're awake, you'll know. 606 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:08,000 You'll know. 49349

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