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You know. There are drugs in this country that are
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classified as legal
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and other drugs that are
classified as illegal.
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And, for some people,
all it needs
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to be labeled is legal
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and if you have a doctor in place.
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A doctor's an authority figure
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who has the, you know,
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ability to prescribe drugs.
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A lot of people feel like,
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"Well. If a doctor prescribed it,
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it's fine."
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But if we look at someone
like Michael Jackson
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who is probably
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the most famous person
on the planet
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at the time that he died,
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he was getting drugs
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such as Propofol or Diprivan.
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This is a medication that is
used in an operating room,
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should never be used outside of
an operating room.
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But he was taking pain pills.
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He was taking pills for anxiety,
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pills for sleep.
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It's sort of an
interesting question why,
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you know, are prescription drugs
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less dangerous than alcohol
and cigarettes?
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Sometimes.
But sometimes not.
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We've turned the corner on
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drug addiction in the
United States.
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One of the most famous stars
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in Hollywood history
is dead at 36.
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Marilyn Monroe was found
dead in bed
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under circumstances that
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were in tragic contrast to her
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to her glamorous career
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as a comic talent.
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♪ I'm gonna get it
'cause I'm a fiend
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♪ sell the devil my soul
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♪ to get me what I need
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♪ get me a fix
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♪ get me back into the zone
just one more... ♪
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I said, "We need an
ambulance at Graceland.
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Get somebody real quick."
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Rigor mortis had set in. And...
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I turned him over real quick.
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I pulled up his pajama bottoms.
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He walked in, said,
"Elvis is gone."
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♪ tripled up on everything,
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♪ I'm not breathing right
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♪ it's got a hold on me
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♪ and it might seize my life
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Flowers. Candles. Notes.
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These are items found
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left outside of the
Manhattan apartment
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where the body of
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Oscar nominated actor
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Heath Ledger was found.
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Police say prescription pills
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were found nearby.
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An autopsy performed Wednesday
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was inconclusive.
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We have a--
gentleman here
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that needs help
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and he's not breathing.
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prescription drug abuse
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had been a problem for
Jackson for years.
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Jackson family attorney
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Brian Oxman tells us weekly.
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"I warned them.
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There is the misuse of
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prescription medications by
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people who were enabling him."
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It all really started in 1972
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when Richard Nixon coined
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the phrase "The war on drugs."
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But it's pretty clear
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at this point that
we have lost that war.
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And that war was really
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dealing with illegal drug trade.
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God bless you.
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What a glorious day
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for American seniors.
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A strong and modern
Medicare starts today.
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It took a lot of work
to get us here,
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and it took the leadership
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of President George W. Bush.
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Law enforcement now
after 9/11
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is locking down the border
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and focusing on
terrorism.
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But when you
lock down the borders
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what's not getting in?
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All of the illegal substances
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that were coming in
from out of state
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are significantly reduced.
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So look at the statistics.
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After 9/11, it looked like
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we were winning
the war on drugs.
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But the problem is,
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no one addressed
the drug seeking behavior.
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The supply was reduced of your
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of your street level drug.
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But the demand
was still there
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for the misuse of drugs.
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Whitney Houston was
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pronounced dead at
the Beverly Hilton hotel.
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Greg Giraldo, who died from
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accidental overdose.
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Brittany Murphy,
she died very suddenly.
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Leslie Carter has died.
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I was addicted to
Oxycontin and Opanas.
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40 milligrams
a day along with
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Dilaudid.
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4 milligrams
six times a day.
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I was taking Norco.
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I was taking about
eight a day.
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'co... Anywhere from two to--
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Every two to three hours.
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about six times a day.
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Norco.
Eight a day.
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And pretty much
every other
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Opioid or
dangerous narcotic
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that's out there.
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He said he had
hurt his back
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and that he was
taking it because
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his back was hurting.
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Oxycontin and
Roxicodone
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and... Somas.
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All prescribed at one time.
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And this doctor
was prescribing him
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medication for an illness
he didn't have.
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He kind of lost his--
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his drive...
you want to say.
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And I went to work. And about
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probably like, 10:00--
I don't... even the day...
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the day is just
a mess for me.
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I get a call.
And it's my mom.
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She says:
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"Something's wrong
with Joseph.
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I went to wake him up
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and there's this stuff coming
out of his mouth."
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And I yelled at my mom.
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I'm like.
"Why are you calling me?
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Why aren't you calling the--
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you know, the paramedics
or something?"
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I ran out of work,
I left work.
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And I prayed all
the way home,
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tried to bargain with god
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No bargaining with god.
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I got here.
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No paramedics.
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Only police.
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And so he was gone.
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And from what the coroner says, he...
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he only took one pill.
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He took one pill.
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And his body couldn't
handle it anymore.
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And he went to sleep.
He didn't wake up.
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And I guess they found out that.
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Well, maybe it wasn't
just my son.
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Maybe there's others.
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So they started doing
their own undercover work.
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They went in there undercover
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and how easy it is to walk into
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a doctor's office and say your back hurts
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"My neck hurts,
my leg hurts."
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and get a prescription for
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A drug that is really for people
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with, like, cancer or something
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that's very--you know,
a very severe illness.
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OK. My name is
sergeant Steve Opferman
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from the Los Angeles
county Sheriff's Department.
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I'm assigned to
our detective
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division, major crimes bureau.
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I supervise a
multi-agency Task Force
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called HALT, which is the
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Health Authority
Law Enforcement Task Force.
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We handle over 100 cases a year.
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We confiscate and destroy
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probably $3 - $5 millions
worth of
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confiscated drugs annually.
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We've estimated we've probably
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saved the government by
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stopping, you know, a lot of
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These illegal businesses about
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$50 million in Medicare
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and Medi-Cal claims.
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This is an example of
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medications that we seize from
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what we call "a capper".
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This is a recruiter that would
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go around skid row and, you know,
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find people with Medicare cards.
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When we're talking about the
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non-controlled substances,
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when we're talking about
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medicines themselves.
when we're talking about
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medicines themselves.
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There's a different black market
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but the drugs are initially
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acquired by the same means.
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The main focus by government
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is usually on supply.
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If we reduce the supply,
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that reduces the problem.
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Well, not true.
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If you have drug seeking behavior
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and you reduce the supply,
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it's like squeezing the
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End of a balloon.
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It just blows up somewhere else.
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And you see this tremendously
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with drugs, whether it's illegal
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drugs and legal drugs.
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The model of sort of optimizing
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control and profits on drugs
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is, to me,
very much one model,
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because the economics of both
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the illegal and the legal drugs
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are very integral from a--
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from a policy and
governance standpoint.
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I'm pleased that all of you
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are here to witness
the greatest advance
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in health care coverage
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for America's seniors
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since the founding of Medicare.
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This social phenomena is now
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growing with the misuse of
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pharmaceutical drugs.
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Everybody, including
their parents,
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their brothers,
their sisters
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their grandparents,
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everybody's popping pills.
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♪ I'm feeling shitty now
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♪ my pills are gone
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♪ I done popped all my vicodin
♪ my pills are gone
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♪ I done popped all my vicodin
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♪ the other day
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♪ now that my meds are done
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♪ I'm paranoid
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♪ but I'm get high
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♪ in some other way
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♪ I must get high
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♪ in some other way
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♪ I got to get high
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♪ to get through the day
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♪ I must get high
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♪ to get through the day
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♪ I must get high
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♪ get high
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♪ I must get high
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♪ getting in it now
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Prescription drug abuse is
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rising in all categories in the
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United States and
all age groups.
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But unfortunately,
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12- to 17-years olds are
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the fastest growing
segment of everybody,
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growing faster in terms
of drug abuse,
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prescription drug abuse.
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The state of Florida
is now experiencing
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up to seven individuals a day
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dying from the misuse
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and the abuse of
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pharmaceutical drugs.
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We have three times as many
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people die every year from
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prescription pills versus
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heroin, cocaine, and
methamphetamine combined.
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They started going to
physicians' offices.
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They started getting drugs
from "legitimate sources."
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And all of a sudden
you can see the influx
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in pain management clinics.
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You can see the influx
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In legalized drug dealing.
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Broward, which is the
Fort Lauderdale area,
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is the epicenter of
this pill mill epidemic.
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And what we saw was that, in the
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first six months of 2008,
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67% of the Oxycodone
nationwide
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that was put out by
dispensing practitioners
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came out of
Broward county, Florida.
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The entire mid-eastern quadrant
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of the U.S., all those states
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had a prescription drug
monitoring program.
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Well, what that did
is started to drive
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drug seekers--and I'm not
gonna use the term "patient",
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it drove drug seekers
from those states
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into the state of Florida.
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Prescription drug abuse is rising.
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But the innocent victims
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are the infants born exposed
to opiates in utero.
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Broward county Florida has
seen a quadruple increase
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and more than
half of the people
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taking prescription drugs
are women.
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They're--over the last
several years,
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there has been
no regulation whatsoever
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in terms of patients
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being able to go to
different offices
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and get prescription pills.
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And because of that,
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you have an influx of people
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actually coming from other states
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to get these medications.
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So as the number of adults and
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women rise taking these
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prescription pills, it's no
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surprise that they're having
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babies that are dependent on
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painkillers.
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Yeah. There you go,
Ok, look right there.
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He's making a buy
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with the guy in the brown.
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He's got his money in his hand.
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He's showing him something.
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The drug dealers, when they're
dealing with prescription drugs.
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Get the insurance companies.
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Medi-Cal or Medicaid.
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These programs pay for these drugs.
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And then they're resold.
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It starts with people that
we call "cappers"
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that generally
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drive around indigent
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neighborhoods,
anywhere where people
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are receiving government
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benefits, primarily Medicare.
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They're usually never
seen by a doctor.
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Somebody in there
will write a prescription.
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Then they'll pay that person to
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go to a pharmacy and
fill that prescription.
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And then they'll
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give those drugs back to what we
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call a capper.
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They will take those drugs to
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somebody that's generally
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involved in organized crime
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here in L.A.
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They'll take them back to
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retail pharmacies that they own.
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They'll take them back to what
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They call closed-door pharmacies
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that they own. Use that as part
342
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of their inventory.
343
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So now they're able to
bill again Medicare
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for prescribing these drugs to,
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say, an elderly patient
in a nursing home.
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That person never receives those
347
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drugs even though there's
348
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a paper trail and a billing
349
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trail created so they can
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continue billing.
351
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Then when those drugs expire.
352
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they're gonna package them up.
353
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and they're gonna take them to
354
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out-of-state to a wholesale
355
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repackaging business.
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If you automate all the
357
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records in the state, all the
358
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controlled substance records,
359
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and a physician accesses your
360
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file through the PDMP, he can
361
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see whatever physicians you've
362
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been to, what quantities you've
363
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been prescribed.
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And if he's checking the system,
365
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and you've received a controlled
366
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substance from another doctor.
367
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he's not going to prescribe,
368
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because that's a threat to his
369
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license.
370
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That would be a legitimate
371
00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,010
doctor identifying drug seeking
372
00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:05,480
activity.
373
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So our bill, our original
374
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bill last year would've charged
375
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,880
1/4 cent per prescription
376
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drug -- pill, I should say --
377
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to go into a fund, to collect
378
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a few million dollars, so that we
379
00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:17,450
could develop the capacity to
380
00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:18,890
get everyone who writes
381
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prescriptions--175.000 people
382
00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:23,330
who are legally able to write
383
00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:25,100
prescriptions in California--
384
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to be electronically
on this database.
385
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So in real time, the
Department of Justice
386
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and the doctor
prescribing the drug
387
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can see who's
prescribing what drugs.
388
00:15:35,540 --> 00:15:36,710
And on the other hand,
389
00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:38,510
the Department of Justice can see
390
00:15:38,510 --> 00:15:39,820
that if there are physicians or
391
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anyone who's allowed to write
392
00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:43,620
prescriptions are abusing it
393
00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:46,280
and basically taking the trust
394
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:48,020
the public puts in them
as physicians
395
00:15:49,020 --> 00:15:50,140
and abusing it
396
00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:52,260
by making profit money
by selling
397
00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:54,510
opiates, painkillers to people.
398
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,910
They found a prescription
399
00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:02,800
receipt in his car,
and I guess.
400
00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:04,510
The coroner called the doctor
401
00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:06,570
asked him: "What did you
give this boy?
402
00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:08,680
What did you give this boy?"
403
00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:10,850
The doctor said
"Well, why?"
404
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,440
"Because he's dead.
405
00:16:12,970 --> 00:16:14,220
He's dead.
406
00:16:14,420 --> 00:16:15,980
He's 25 years old.
And he's dead."
407
00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:19,490
Then he told him what he
prescribed to him.
408
00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:22,400
And it was
409
00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:26,540
The roxi...
No, Oxycontin.
410
00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:28,340
It's... the form of it was
411
00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:30,400
the kind that does not...
412
00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:33,740
it doesn't time release
or something like that.
413
00:16:33,770 --> 00:16:37,340
It's just
instantaneous pain relief.
414
00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:39,640
So systematically from 2001
415
00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:42,210
up to approximately 2009.
416
00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:44,410
the state of Florida fought for
417
00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:46,580
a PDMP in the legislature.
418
00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:48,740
Bills were introduced.
419
00:16:48,850 --> 00:16:51,250
And it was fought down
every year.
420
00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:54,600
Purdue Pharma also
stepped up to the plate
421
00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:56,740
and most recently
as of a week ago,
422
00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:59,620
offered $1 million to support
423
00:16:59,650 --> 00:17:02,170
the state of Florida
in a PDMP program.
424
00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:05,820
and to pay for the PDMP program
for the state of Florida.
425
00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:08,300
And this is where politics
comes into play.
426
00:17:08,650 --> 00:17:10,510
The governor of
the state of Florida
427
00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:13,540
declined and does not
428
00:17:13,570 --> 00:17:15,510
see fit that a PDMP
429
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:17,710
be implemented within
the state of Florida.
430
00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:20,570
He cites that it's
a violation of privacy.
431
00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:22,220
I met with the
pharmaceutical industry
432
00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:23,140
I was right upfront with them.
433
00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:24,420
I told them: "This is
what I want to do.
434
00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:26,370
It seems to me
it's in your best interest
435
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,910
to help us do this.
436
00:17:27,930 --> 00:17:29,170
It's not in your best interest
437
00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:31,370
to read about
people dying from
438
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,370
abuse of your legal product."
439
00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:36,250
And we had some
good meetings
440
00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:38,480
but when the bill actually
went to Committee
441
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,910
and, obviously, had to get
442
00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:41,880
passed out of Committee
in a majority vote
443
00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:43,910
to get here to
the floor of the Senate,
444
00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:45,110
I couldn't do it.
445
00:17:45,170 --> 00:17:46,370
I couldn't do it twice.
446
00:17:46,450 --> 00:17:49,800
The first time,
I came out of
447
00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:50,800
the hearing room,
and I could
448
00:17:50,850 --> 00:17:52,170
see some lobbyist talking with
449
00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:53,170
a couple of my colleagues.
450
00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:54,800
And these are
democratic colleagues
451
00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:57,080
who I thought I had their vote.
452
00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:00,110
And when the roll call
was taken,
453
00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:01,370
I didn't have their vote.
454
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,220
If we are seeing
455
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:06,370
rapid acceleration of
456
00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,770
prescription drugs
that are being given
457
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,480
to more and more and more
people including children
458
00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,110
over the years in the future,
459
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,680
we are also looking at
460
00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:19,000
a corresponding increase
of diagnoses by doctors.
461
00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:21,080
What was once a diagnostic
462
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:23,250
manual that was paper thin
463
00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:25,340
is now a huge book
with hundreds of
464
00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:28,250
diagnoses in it that grows
and grows and grows
465
00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:30,250
to the point where people are
466
00:18:30,250 --> 00:18:31,770
being sliced and diced
467
00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:35,570
where there is nothing
wrong with the person,
468
00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:37,940
but something is being said
469
00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:39,280
to be wrong with that person.
470
00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:42,620
It gets into that area
in this country.
471
00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:45,820
We have created
illnesses for drugs.
472
00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:49,710
So, in other words,
I've seen, you see,
473
00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:51,640
people have seen the commercial
"Restless Leg Syndrome."
474
00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:53,280
Most people had
never heard of that.
475
00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:55,450
But once that commercial
started playing,
476
00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,680
the number of diagnoses
477
00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,280
for restless leg syndrome
478
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,320
went through the roof!
479
00:19:00,570 --> 00:19:03,000
Fortunately, there's Mirapex.
480
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,170
Mirapex is a prescription medicine
481
00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:08,050
that helps relieve the
frequency and severity of many
482
00:19:08,050 --> 00:19:08,970
R.L.S symptoms.
483
00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:11,080
Just recently, I saw
484
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,850
a commercial where
there is a guy
485
00:19:12,850 --> 00:19:14,560
mid-40s, early 50s,
486
00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:16,680
and the narrator is like:
487
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,170
"You can't hit the golf ball
488
00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:19,730
as far as you used to.
489
00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:21,570
You don't have the
energy level you're used to,
490
00:19:21,570 --> 00:19:23,940
You're not the same guy
you were in the bedroom."
491
00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:25,480
And it says, "Maybe you're
492
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:27,440
suffering from Low 'T'."
493
00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:29,220
And then I'm like,
“What is low T?"
494
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000
And then before I can
even say that to myself,
495
00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:34,850
the announcer says,
"Low 'T' is low testosterone."
496
00:19:35,650 --> 00:19:37,450
Testosterone levels drop
497
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,340
normally in men
as they get older.
498
00:19:39,370 --> 00:19:41,200
It's not necessarily a problem.
499
00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:44,280
But they're creating a problem
500
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:46,630
because there is now
a new treatment,
501
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:47,280
a new pill for it.
502
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560
Critics, anyway, of
direct-to-consumer advertising
503
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,820
say that it leads to
a lot of problems.
504
00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:54,440
that it, number one,
over-medicalizes things
505
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,740
in society that are really
not medical problems
506
00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:59,010
like..., an example
of that is anxiety,
507
00:19:59,050 --> 00:20:00,850
so... "Social Anxiety Syndrome"!
508
00:20:00,910 --> 00:20:04,680
Another example is
premenstrual symptoms.
509
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,800
And my doctor told me,
510
00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:08,000
"That's not PMS;
that's PMDD."
511
00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:10,200
Unlike PMS, Symptoms of PMDD
512
00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:12,570
are severe enough to
actually interfere with your life.
513
00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:16,000
Things like this, that are
kind of normal for humans,
514
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,340
are turned into a disease,
and people
515
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:20,850
subsequently request
medication treatment
516
00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:23,250
for these things that may not
even be a disease at all!
517
00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:25,910
So that's been a criticism of
direct-to-consumer advertising.
518
00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:28,480
Attention Yaz, Yasmin,
and Ocella users.
519
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,050
The FDA says these drugs
may cause blood clot
520
00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:32,820
and serious heart
and health problems.
521
00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:34,050
There are a lot of
direct-to-consumer
522
00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:36,050
advertisements of
anti-depressants.
523
00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:37,250
And typically,
524
00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:38,800
people will come in
if they're depressed,
525
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,540
asking for those
particular drugs
526
00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:42,680
as opposed to
older alternatives.
527
00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:44,540
And interestingly, one of the drugs
528
00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:46,650
that is currently being
marketed for depression
529
00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:49,280
is actually a drug
that's used for psychosis,
530
00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:50,880
for things like
Schizophrenia.
531
00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:52,680
But that it... it is useful
532
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,110
as an adjunct to
depression medicines
533
00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:57,250
in cases of
very severe depression.
534
00:20:57,420 --> 00:20:58,880
And we saw a lot of ads.
535
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,070
In our review of direct-
to-consumer advertisements
536
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,250
we saw a lot of ads
for this particular drug.
537
00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:05,450
And I have had a lot of
patients asking me for it
538
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:07,880
even though it is actually
completely inappropriate.
539
00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:09,910
Abilify treats depression in adults
540
00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:11,970
when added to an
anti-depressant.
541
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:13,940
Some people had
symptom improvement
542
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:15,970
in as early as
one to two weeks.
543
00:21:16,020 --> 00:21:18,170
Adding Abilify has made
a difference for me.
544
00:21:18,170 --> 00:21:19,450
I mean. The ads don't say
545
00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:21,050
that it's a first line agent
for depression
546
00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:23,940
but because it's advertised and
the people in the ads look happy,
547
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,960
you know, patients
who are depressed
548
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,510
want a drug that's gonna
make them happy too.
549
00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:31,650
And it's been very interesting,
people are asking for this drug that
550
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,850
they really don't want to take.
551
00:21:33,910 --> 00:21:37,220
The most successful
PR campaign
552
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:38,680
in the history of the world
553
00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:42,280
was Eli Lilly PR-ing that
554
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,650
depression is caused by
a biochemical imbalance
555
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,250
and that Prozac could fix it.
556
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:51,750
There was some interesting
557
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,660
research done looking at the
558
00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:54,630
group for the diagnostic manual
559
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:56,900
that made up the diagnoses for
560
00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:59,030
psychoses and for mood
561
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,260
disorders which are some of the
562
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:03,200
main places that the drug
563
00:22:03,210 --> 00:22:05,260
companies make money from.
564
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:07,270
And every single member of the
565
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,300
Psychiatric Association's
566
00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:10,940
Committee was involved with drug
567
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:12,670
companies, getting money from
568
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,950
drug companies, all of them.
569
00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:15,980
About six years ago
570
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:18,750
my father passed away.
571
00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:19,880
My parents had been married over
572
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,720
45 years. And my mom--
573
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,080
very healthy, in her 70s,
574
00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:25,690
on no medications--went to her
575
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,290
doctor for regular checkup.
576
00:22:27,290 --> 00:22:29,020
And the doctor looked at her
577
00:22:29,030 --> 00:22:29,960
and said, "You know, Miss Smith,
578
00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:31,390
you just don't look like your
579
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,360
usual self," and she went ahead
580
00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:33,830
and told the doctor, “Well, my
581
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:36,100
husband of 45, 50 years just
582
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,360
passed away."
583
00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:40,140
So before my mom could even
584
00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:41,810
finish saying anything, he was
585
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:43,110
writing out a prescription.
586
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:45,040
So he handed her a prescription.
587
00:22:45,050 --> 00:22:47,840
and my mom said, “What is this?"
588
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:49,250
and he said,
"It's Prozac for Depression."
589
00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:50,680
And my mom looked at him and said
590
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,780
"I'm not depressed,
I'm just sad."
591
00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:54,510
And I think this is really
592
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:56,600
a microcosm of what is going on
593
00:22:56,620 --> 00:22:57,800
in this country at this time.
594
00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:59,650
People have a problem.
595
00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:01,280
And instead of asking them
596
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,600
“What is the problem?"
597
00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:03,820
here's a pill for it.
598
00:23:03,940 --> 00:23:05,880
Now, think about how bizarre it is
599
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,690
to sum up a person's life
600
00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:09,970
struggle with a diagnosis like
601
00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:11,650
bi-polar disorder.
602
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:13,480
Think about Lincoln,
603
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:16,300
there have been
innumerable books
604
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,020
studying Lincoln,
trying to figure out
605
00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:20,250
"Who was Lincoln?
What made Lincoln tick?"
606
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,770
But a psychiatrist says
"Bipolar disorder"!
607
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:25,650
It used to be that a young
608
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:27,950
sophomore in college struggling
609
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,480
with his angst and his sadness
and his depression
610
00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:33,450
would read Kierkegaard
611
00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:37,940
or read some other really
deep and brooding book
612
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:39,800
to find some solutions to life.
613
00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:43,280
Or he'd study philosophy,
maybe read some Freud,
614
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:44,970
maybe get some therapy,
615
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:47,280
But he'd view himself or herself
616
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800
as struggling with life issues.
617
00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:53,540
Now that same college sophomore
618
00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:56,620
has already read in textbooks
619
00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:59,770
that all the anguish
that people feel
620
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,570
is about biochemical imbalances
621
00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:05,450
And with that, all the learning
622
00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,940
of western civilization
is thrown out.
623
00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:12,540
People are addicted
to the idea of drugs.
624
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:13,850
There's lots of addiction.
625
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,880
They believe that
drugs will help them.
626
00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:18,020
People are overusing this thing,
627
00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:20,740
these products that were
created to ease their pain.
628
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:22,080
And it's creating more pain,
629
00:24:22,110 --> 00:24:23,820
I mean, that's the irony of--
630
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:27,340
and that's--and everything
endemic in our culture is like
631
00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:29,200
“Well, get rid of my pain,"
you know,
632
00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:31,180
"just get rid of it.
I'll pay anything for it."
633
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,140
But it's not getting rid
of anything.
634
00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:34,800
It's making things worse.
635
00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:39,820
This is an outrageous
societal phenomenon.
636
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,970
And it indicates a culture
637
00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:47,000
losing touch with empathy
for itself as individuals
638
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,310
and empathy for
other human beings,
639
00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:52,280
a culture that has just
gotten caught up
640
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,620
in the end product and
efficiency and work
641
00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:59,080
and not at all thinking about
642
00:24:59,420 --> 00:25:00,740
“What is life about?
643
00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:02,020
Who am I?
644
00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:03,600
Who are my children?
645
00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:05,600
Are my children gifts from god?
646
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,370
Are they to be treasured?
647
00:25:07,820 --> 00:25:09,970
Do they require that
I change my life
648
00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:11,990
to bring them up better?
649
00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:15,340
Or are they objects to be
tinkered with and given drugs?"
650
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:19,040
Talking with my doctor, he
diagnosed me with ADHD.
651
00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:20,480
And I told him at that point
652
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,220
that my children
were taking Concerta.
653
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:24,170
I said, You know,
"Is there reason to think
654
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,310
that it would work for me?"
655
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,820
And he said, "Absolutely."
656
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:31,170
♪ And I’ll probably
657
00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:32,340
♪ never change
658
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:36,310
♪ the more I try
659
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:38,280
♪ the more I stay the same
660
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,180
♪ I hate to look in the mirror
661
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:42,550
♪ 'cause all I see
662
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,150
♪ somebody sprung
663
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,290
♪ that looks me
664
00:25:45,290 --> 00:25:46,460
♪ I hate to look in the mirror
665
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:47,760
♪ 'cause all I see
666
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,360
♪ somebody sprung
667
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:50,460
♪ that looks like me
668
00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:51,790
♪ and I can't break my habits
669
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800
♪ I'm an American addict
670
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,420
The point man in my
Administration on this issue
671
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,770
was Secretary Tommy Thompson.
672
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,110
And he and his team
673
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:06,400
did a fabulous job
674
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:08,770
of working with the Congress
675
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,370
to get this important piece
of legislation passed.
676
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:13,570
Tommy, I want to thank you
for your leadership.
677
00:26:14,170 --> 00:26:16,710
This bill passed the Congress
678
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,740
because of the strong leadership
679
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:23,420
of a handful of members.
680
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,370
Starting with
the speaker of the House,
681
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:27,600
Dennis Hastert.
682
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:36,310
The speaker was joined by
683
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:39,970
Senator Bill Frist, Senate
Majority leader of the Senate
684
00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:44,420
in providing the leadership
necessary to get this bill done.
685
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:44,450
I want to thank you both.
in providing the leadership
necessary to get this bill done.
686
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:45,770
I want to thank you both.
687
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,600
I appreciate the hard work of
688
00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:51,000
the House Majority leader
Tom Delay
689
00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:52,790
to see that this bill was passed,
690
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:56,220
Committee chairman Bill Thomas
for his good work.
691
00:26:57,970 --> 00:27:00,830
Senator Chuck Grassley
did a noble job.
692
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:04,930
Senator Max Baucus
of Montana
693
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:08,850
and senator John Breaux,
694
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,370
Mr. Billy Tauzin of the House
of Representatives
695
00:27:12,370 --> 00:27:14,200
did great work on this bill.
696
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:18,370
Senator Orrin Hatch from Utah
697
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:20,750
made a significant contribution.
698
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,340
Nancy Johnson,
the House member
699
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:25,200
from Connecticut did a great job.
700
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:30,080
Mike Bilirakis from Florida
701
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,420
worked hard on
this piece of legislation.
702
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,570
I want to thank
all the other members
703
00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:38,480
of the Congress and the
Senate who have joined us.
704
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:41,880
Thank you all for taking time
out of your busy schedules
705
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,850
to share in this historic moment.
706
00:27:51,450 --> 00:27:54,200
The Bush Administration
did Medicare part D
707
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:56,510
to help the elderly alright,
708
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,880
the elderly owners in the
Pharmaceutical industry,
709
00:28:00,140 --> 00:28:02,250
the people who are the CEOs,
710
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,620
the people who are
the major stockholders.
711
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,680
When I worked on Wall street
or when I worked in Washington,
712
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:09,170
We would never ask the question
713
00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:11,870
on how do we make money
on something,
714
00:28:12,140 --> 00:28:14,800
so much as
the question would be asked:
715
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,900
“Where do we want
the world to go
716
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:19,250
and then how do we
engineer things
717
00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:21,080
so that it will go that way?"
718
00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:23,310
I left Wall street, and
I went to Washington,
719
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:26,000
and then I left Washington
and moved to Tennessee.
720
00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:28,710
And one of the things
I struggled the most with was
721
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:31,370
explaining to my
family and friends
722
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:33,420
how the economic model
723
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,090
that America works on
really works.
724
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:38,850
And I finally--I finally decided
725
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:39,880
to write a case study.
726
00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:43,110
It's called "Dillon Read & the
Aristocracy of Stock Profits."
727
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,000
And it tells the story of
728
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,310
how Wall street made money on
729
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:51,740
helping financing private prisons.
730
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:54,110
And I-- I wrote it
because I wanted
731
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:55,110
people to understand that
732
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:58,620
a very fundamentally
non-economic activity
733
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,220
can become very profitable
for many people.
734
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,220
What Medicare part D did was
735
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:06,080
it gave the drug companies
736
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:10,050
the ability to name their price
for Pharmaceuticals
737
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:14,250
and to get it, and have
the government pay for it.
738
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,540
What you'll often see is
sort of a combination
739
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,820
of an industry making money
740
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:24,880
and government engineering the
incentives and the economics
741
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:28,480
so that, whether it's the
consumer or the taxpayer,
742
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:31,020
they also make money
going in that direction.
743
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,050
Now this is an industry,
744
00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:35,170
from my understanding and
from some amount of research,
745
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:37,680
that has really changed
in the last 20 years.
746
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:39,170
At least people will opine that
747
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:40,680
there are venture capitalists
748
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:43,190
who did a good deal of research
749
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:45,080
to see who Americans trusted.
750
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,850
And Americans used to and still
751
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:49,650
do put a lot of trust in people
752
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:51,250
in white smocks, pharmacists,
753
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,450
doctors--as they should--
754
00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:56,310
and in pharmaceutical companies.
755
00:29:56,650 --> 00:29:58,880
Unfortunately, in my opinion,
756
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,820
like a lot of things in the
757
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:02,880
investment world, there were
758
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,850
people who went in and took
759
00:30:03,850 --> 00:30:05,200
companies over and what
760
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:07,000
companies used to pride
761
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:08,050
themselves on Research
762
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,200
and Development and providing
763
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,850
a product to the United States public
764
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,450
that would lengthen your
765
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:14,800
lives and make them healthier
766
00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:16,650
lives somewhat got corrupted
767
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:18,450
and got driven more about
768
00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:21,740
Profitability, Return on
769
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:22,340
Investment.
770
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,080
If you look at the amount of
771
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680
money they spend on lobbying in
772
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:29,050
the last cycle, it was about
773
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:31,780
$272 million.
774
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:34,710
I mean, they have more lobbyists
775
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:37,020
active than there are members of Congress.
776
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,050
There's $64 billion in profits
777
00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:43,280
last year. And that's on
778
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:46,370
revenues of about $254 billion
779
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,310
for the top 12 pharmaceutical companies.
780
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,730
So you're talking about
an enormous economic impact,
781
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:56,540
an extraordinary lobbying impact
782
00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:58,450
and a real political impact.
783
00:30:58,570 --> 00:31:00,850
We have something in this country call
784
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,640
a medical cartel.
785
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,370
A cartel is basically
786
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:09,710
interlocking interests that form
787
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,280
either a monopoly or
something close to monopoly.
788
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:16,720
We're talking about
companies, corporations.
789
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,740
In this case, we're talking about
790
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:21,220
pharmaceutical companies,
medical schools,
791
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:24,480
government agencies like the FDA.
792
00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:27,310
And I went back to Harvard
for my first year of residency
793
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:28,480
right at the time that
794
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
the politics of psychiatry
was changing.
795
00:31:31,570 --> 00:31:33,910
When I interviewed for Harvard,
796
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:37,140
I was interviewed by a family therapist,
797
00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:40,220
and I met people who were
doing family therapy
798
00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:42,850
and psychoanalysis
and social therapies.
799
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,120
One year later, the program had
800
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,950
changed into a biological
801
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,370
psychiatric program where you had
limited time with your patients
802
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:55,710
and spent most of your
time doing medication,
803
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:58,110
managing wards, giving ECT.
804
00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:00,770
This transformation was
not through science.
805
00:32:00,850 --> 00:32:04,480
This was a decision
by political psychiatry
806
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,170
that the future was with
807
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:08,400
selling biology and drugs
808
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:10,710
as the solution to
human suffering
809
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:13,080
if psychiatry was
gonna keep its power
810
00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:14,650
and its status.
811
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:18,170
Well, originally,
modern medical schools
812
00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:20,000
were mainly funded by
813
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,510
huge medical non-profit foundations.
814
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:28,310
Those foundations had
a particular view of medicine
815
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,020
that was leaning toward
what has become
816
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:34,050
modern pharmaceutical medicine.
817
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,910
And so to honor these grants
818
00:32:36,970 --> 00:32:40,970
the medical schools were
funded and even established
819
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,570
to teach that brand of medicine.
820
00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:45,880
Many people, when they
look at a university,
821
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,550
see a university, see a school.
822
00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:49,740
That's not what I see.
I see an endowment,
823
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:53,110
and a lot of
intergenerational capital that
824
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:54,650
finances corporations
825
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:56,340
is sheltered from taxes
826
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:58,480
by managing it through endowments,
827
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,050
often for universities.
828
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:01,620
So everywhere you go, there's
829
00:33:01,630 --> 00:33:04,000
the psycho-pharmaceutical complex.
830
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:05,820
And its tentacles reach
831
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:09,110
deeply down into
our educational system.
832
00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:12,340
We--we now have a situation
833
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:14,880
where the drug companies
are sponsoring
834
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:18,340
programs to go into our schools
835
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,310
to monitor our kids
836
00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:23,200
and find out who may
be having a problem
837
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,070
so that they can be
evaluated psychiatrically
838
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,170
and sent off to clinics where --
guess what they'll get?
839
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:30,510
Pills.
840
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:32,340
People will be much less
841
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:34,600
prone to slip through the cracks.
842
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:38,170
Because we have
forces operating
843
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,620
on the family,
844
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,220
on the schools,
the workplace,
845
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:47,800
to guarantee, in a sense,
846
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,510
that the over-medicalization
of society takes place.
847
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:54,310
The government money, and the
848
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:56,180
government rules and regulations,
849
00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:58,050
program to develop the model
850
00:33:58,050 --> 00:34:00,020
where they want to go.
So, for example,
851
00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:01,770
when I first moved to Tennessee,
852
00:34:01,770 --> 00:34:04,450
I had a friend who had just
retired from teaching.
853
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:07,710
And so many parents
would lobby her
854
00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:11,940
to put her... to say that the
children needed Ritalin.
855
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,710
And the reason was, if they
got the kids on Ritalin,
856
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:17,540
they could get a disability
payment from Social Security.
857
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:20,110
It was an overnight
transformation at Harvard
858
00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:22,020
because Harvard was cutting edge.
859
00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:24,240
And in psychiatry, we see this
860
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,020
phenomena that
the best is the worst.
861
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,600
That the most cutting-edge
psychiatry, like Harvard,
862
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:32,020
to this day, is
863
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:35,540
the psychiatry that takes the most
money from the drug companies
864
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,170
that has the most
intimate relationships with
865
00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:39,730
the federal government.
866
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,370
But there'll be someone
at a medical school
867
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:45,340
teaching medical school
students, teaching residents,
868
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,970
but pocketing $50,000
or $100,000 a year
869
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:51,070
for being a consultant
to the drug company
870
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:52,450
and giving talks.
871
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:54,200
Well, they're not gonna
be a consultant
872
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:57,250
and they're not gonna get paid to
give talks unless they are known
873
00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,140
to be favorable to that
company and its product.
874
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:02,650
So that there are a number of people
875
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:04,370
in academic medicine
876
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:05,850
doing teaching,
877
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:07,620
being "prestigious"
878
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:09,020
who are influenced
879
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:12,420
by the vast amounts of money
that they think they need to get
880
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:14,080
from the drug industry.
881
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
For example, at Harvard,
it's Joseph Biederman
882
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:22,770
who personally caused a revolution
in the treatment of children
883
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:25,650
by defining more and more
children as bipolar
884
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:27,850
so that these kids
would be given
885
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:29,710
psychiatric drugs
886
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,570
that were suitable only for adults,
887
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:34,880
such as Lithium and Abilify
and Seroquel.
888
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
"Pills, pills, pills for children"
889
00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:38,770
is the theme that comes out of
890
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:41,080
Harvard's
psychopharmacology program.
891
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,650
I blew the whistle
on Biederman years ago
892
00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:46,220
as someone getting huge money
from the drug companies.
893
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:50,250
But it took a while for the
whistle to reach Washington.
894
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,080
And now there have been hearings.
And it's been discovered that
895
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:56,570
Joseph Biederman was getting
a lot more money than he admitted
896
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:58,370
from the drug companies
897
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:01,770
to push drugs on America's children.
898
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,220
There was a professor at Harvard
899
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,910
last year who had gotten
more than $100,000
900
00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:09,610
in the previous year
from the drug industry.
901
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:12,110
And Harvard instituted
a rule that says
902
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:13,850
you can't be in the faculty
903
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,940
and get that kind of money
from the drug industry.
904
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:18,680
So he said, "I want my $100,000,
905
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:20,490
so I'm leaving the Harvard faculty."
906
00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:22,820
I went on, to the National
Institute of Mental Health,
907
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:24,370
spent two years there.
908
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:28,310
And I was there as the
transformation was hitting NIMH.
909
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,370
When I arrived, the National
Institute of Mental Health
910
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:38,600
was basically a psychosocially
oriented institution in 1966 and '68.
911
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:42,280
But it was the beginning
of the transformation
912
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:46,250
of NIMH into an arm
of the drug companies.
913
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:47,800
We would later discover
914
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:51,000
that the drug companies actually
had conduits for giving money
915
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,820
to NIMH to do research on
the drug companies' drugs.
916
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:58,060
It's all very, very intimate
917
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:59,310
and tied together.
918
00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:01,880
The profession was
moving hell-bent
919
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:06,540
to being literally an arm
of the drug companies.
920
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:10,080
Why have regulatory
agencies been co-opted
921
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,570
by vested interests that is
mostly industry interests?
922
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:20,620
And that's because the
industry is-- is ever-present.
923
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:22,970
I don't have to document the fact that
924
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:26,310
industry lobbyists
lobby Congress every day
925
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,220
and very powerfully. And
they give money to campaigns.
926
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,110
In turn, Congresspeople influence
the regulatory Agencies.
927
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,450
I think when you have
people that are lobbying
928
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:40,310
that have a lot of money
that they can throw around,
929
00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:42,710
they get face time,
and that's important.
930
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:44,770
They get face time
with the decision makers
931
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:46,080
because they're able to
932
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:48,210
do certain things from
a financial standpoint.
933
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:52,200
The Congress has seemingly
934
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:55,220
reflecting the public interest...,
although I'm not sure
935
00:37:55,220 --> 00:37:58,480
the public has
really weighed in on it.
936
00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:01,740
Deciding to underfund the FDA,
937
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:06,850
leaving the FDA at the mercy
of industry funding
938
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,200
so that companies pay large
fees like $1/4 million that...
939
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:16,620
when I say a fee, I mean
a lot of money for the
940
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:19,450
for the regulator
to review its own drug,
941
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,140
which is a
bald conflict of interest.
942
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:25,050
I mean, the drug industry
has greatly
943
00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:28,600
replaced the tobacco industry as the
most powerful lobby in Washington.
944
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:30,200
They pretty much get their way.
945
00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:35,450
To a point where the consumer
doesn't have much of a chance.
946
00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:40,710
So the power is virtually
completely one-sided
947
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:42,570
on the side of the market.
948
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:47,280
Anti-regulatory let the doctor do
949
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,140
what the doctor wants to do
because the doctor knows best,
950
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:53,280
when, in fact, there's no way the
physician can know what to do
951
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,480
because there's so much
knowledge out there
952
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,220
that they're very vulnerable to
pressure by industry lobbyists.
953
00:39:00,310 --> 00:39:01,910
So it's in the nature of the beast.
954
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:05,370
It's in the nature of
the growth in knowledge,
955
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,850
the growth in information
systems, which can be distorted
956
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:11,340
by people who stand
to earn a lot of money.
957
00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:14,940
Mount Sinai had a
prescriber education grant
958
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:17,310
through the Attorney General
of the state of Oregon.
959
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,620
And these grants were funded
960
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:22,170
to teach physicians about
the pharmaceutical industry.
961
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:25,600
And the money came from a
class-action lawsuit on behalf of
962
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:28,340
Medicaid organizations from
a bunch of different states
963
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,680
related to the
improper marketing of
964
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:33,280
Neurontin or Gabapentin,
965
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,800
which is a drug for...
used for seizures and pain.
966
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,000
The drug Neurontin was
illegally marketed
967
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:39,140
for unapproved uses,
968
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:41,620
including treatment for
bipolar disorder.
969
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:43,720
Neurontin has no proven benefits
970
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:46,100
for this condition, which left
those taking this drug
971
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:47,650
essentially untreated.
972
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:50,000
And it was found that
the company
973
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:51,940
basically inappropriately marketed.
974
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:53,680
And they settled with
a lot of money.
975
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:55,910
And part of that money was used
to fund educational projects.
976
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,280
So that's how I first became
interested in this issue.
977
00:39:58,340 --> 00:40:01,080
As an offshoot of that grant,
978
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,310
we, my colleagues and I,
979
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:05,820
did a research project
looking at the adherence of
980
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:09,000
print advertisements
to FDA guidelines.
981
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:12,740
The breadth and depth to which
companies are involved
982
00:40:12,850 --> 00:40:15,940
in training and education,
983
00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:19,710
and some of it is quite indirect,
and some is quite direct.
984
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:22,170
Yeah, because it supports
a lot of academia.
985
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:26,420
And there have been many, many,
many writings on the fact that
986
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,820
physicians have been paid
to go to meetings,
987
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:31,820
have been paid to say
certain things at meetings,
988
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:33,340
to not say certain things
at meetings.
989
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:35,820
I myself have been
disinvited from meetings.
990
00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:39,280
There was a study
not too long ago of
991
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,050
how companies use the high
gross profits from their high prices.
992
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,020
And it included documenting
993
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:52,050
371,000 professional meetings
a year for doctors.
994
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:55,650
Now there are only 1/2 million doctors
who are active in the United States,
995
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:58,220
so that is an
awful lot of meetings.
996
00:40:58,310 --> 00:41:01,820
The branch of the FDA that
regulates marketing materials
997
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:06,710
had a budget in 2008 of
$9 million, approximately,
998
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,220
and that compares with
the marketing budget
999
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:11,310
of the pharmaceutical industry
in the United States
1000
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,250
is, depending on
how you calculate it.,
1001
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:16,110
on the order of $30 billion
to $60 billion per year.
1002
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:20,200
And the stakes are so high and
the gross profits are so great
1003
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:21,660
because American prices
1004
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:24,740
are by far the highest in
the industrialized world.
1005
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:26,650
So this is big, big business,
1006
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:30,370
and they just put out
a lot of advertising.
1007
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,170
And increasingly so on the web.
1008
00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:34,910
And they have, you know,
web banners and sponsored links.
1009
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:37,220
So the public doesn't know
that they're actually
1010
00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:42,000
subsidizing 39% of all the
R&D that companies do
1011
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:46,140
through tax deductions and
tax credits and tax subsidies.
1012
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,650
It's our own taxes and
our own retirement savings
1013
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:56,310
which are financing a system
which is literally lethal to our health.
1014
00:41:56,620 --> 00:42:01,170
Not to mention another major source,
which no one's tried calculating,
1015
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:03,080
which is the billions of dollars
1016
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,940
that companies accumulate
overseas in tax havens
1017
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:09,310
to avoid paying U.S. tax.
1018
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:12,850
These are companies that
consider themselves very patriotic!
1019
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:18,370
They evade American taxes by
harboring billions of profits abroad.
1020
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,440
And then, every five or six years,
1021
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:23,420
the business has gotten
so large in these tax havens
1022
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:26,370
that the Congress gives them
a tax holiday.
1023
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:29,820
I once helped a reporter write
a wonderful story about
1024
00:42:29,850 --> 00:42:32,450
Novartis, who is
the maker of Ritalin,
1025
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:36,310
and literally how much money
their stock would go up
1026
00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:38,330
for every child they got on Ritalin.
1027
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,410
♪ I am rich
1028
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:44,040
♪ beyond belief
1029
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:47,270
♪ for this love
1030
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,510
♪ you have given me.
1031
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:51,850
There was an idea that
1032
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:53,880
the new neurotransmitter
had been found
1033
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,220
called Serotonin.
1034
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:57,480
So Eli Lilly immediately went
1035
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:59,960
to study rats to find a pill
1036
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,480
that would do something -- change,
1037
00:43:02,570 --> 00:43:04,450
that is -- cause a defect
1038
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:06,770
in the neurotransmitter system
1039
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,830
so that it could be
claimed to fix it!
1040
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,710
And they came up with Prozac,
1041
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:16,000
which blocks the effective
functioning of the system
1042
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,280
by stopping the removal
of Serotonin
1043
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,650
from its active place in the brain
1044
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:24,970
and flooding the brain with it.
1045
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:27,770
They found quickly that Prozac
1046
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:30,480
caused so much
agitation in patients
1047
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,250
that they had to give
the patients tranquilizers,
1048
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,280
or they'd drop out of the studies.
1049
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:39,220
Well, when it came down
to approving the drug,
1050
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,340
they couldn't find
a beneficial effect
1051
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,450
unless they included
the tranquilized patients.
1052
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:50,800
So the FDA forgave
Eli Lilly for cheating
1053
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:54,740
and approved
Eli Lilly's drug Prozac
1054
00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:57,340
when they really were approving
-- they didn't tell anybody this --
1055
00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:59,950
really approving Prozac
1056
00:43:59,950 --> 00:44:05,710
with its agitation covered over by
addictive tranquilizing drugs.
1057
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,170
So, as the medical expert,
we finally had our first trial.
1058
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:14,080
Now, I wondered why...
1059
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,450
why would this be the first trial
that we would bring out of 150.
1060
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:19,050
Because it was
a very difficult case.
1061
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:21,340
This man, Joseph Wesbecker,
1062
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:24,140
had been paranoid and hateful,
1063
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:26,910
threatening toward people at work
before he was put on Prozac.
1064
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:28,310
That's not the best case.
1065
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:30,050
But when he was put on Prozac,
1066
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:31,910
within days he got psychotic,
1067
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,770
and he killed a dozen people,
1068
00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:37,570
injured 20 at his place of work.
1069
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:40,190
So I was gonna testify that it
1070
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:42,360
wasn't that Prozac just caused this,
1071
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,650
but Prozac tipped him over.
1072
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,230
Well, I get ready to have the trial,
1073
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:50,740
and my... the lawyer on
our side isn't preparing me.
1074
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:53,330
He's not sending me
anymore materials.
1075
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,400
I arrive in Louisville,
1076
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,010
and the lawyer for our
side, who's suing Lilly,
1077
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:59,940
is hiding documents from me.
1078
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,770
I was thrown on the stand
with no preparation.
1079
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:06,510
I gave the lawyer
20 or 30 note cards
1080
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:09,710
before I went on the stand and said,
"You've got to ask me these questions."
1081
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,280
He got mad at me.
1082
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:15,020
Well, it was very hard to testify
under those conditions.
1083
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,310
As it was, Lilly almost lost the case.
1084
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:20,770
It was a 9-3 vote,
which allowed them to win.
1085
00:45:20,770 --> 00:45:23,480
One more vote against them
and they would have lost.
1086
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:26,400
Big headlines:
"Lilly wins its case."
1087
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,470
And all the other lawyers
started to settle
1088
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:31,510
from the 150 or more
other cases.
1089
00:45:32,110 --> 00:45:37,340
Well, the judge figured out
that this trial had been fixed.
1090
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:41,650
He called together Eli Lilly and
1091
00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:44,740
Mr. Smith, who was the
lawyer for the plaintiffs,
1092
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:47,510
and said that,
“What did you guys do?"
1093
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:49,910
And they said,
"It's none of your business."
1094
00:45:50,110 --> 00:45:55,310
So now the judge is up against
both parties on the trial.
1095
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:58,420
So the judge investigates
and he finds out
1096
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:00,970
that our side was
indeed paid off
1097
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,200
in order to present a weak
case so Lilly could win.
1098
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,340
And our side tried to
discredit me in court!
1099
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:08,650
My own side tried to
discredit me in court
1100
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:10,560
because Lilly needed to win the case.
1101
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:12,650
And they needed to
discredit Peter Breggin
1102
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,740
because I was their only real
opposition in the world.
1103
00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:49,620
♪ I need a bailout
1104
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:52,590
♪ just like Citigroup
1105
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:57,190
♪ I need a bailout
1106
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,830
♪ don't forget AIG,
1107
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,700
♪ Goldman Sachs
1108
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,600
♪ I need a bailout
1109
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,470
♪ what about the big three?
1110
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:12,210
♪ I need a bailout
1111
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:14,940
♪ it all ends with just me
1112
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:19,580
♪ I need a bailout
1113
00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:22,750
♪ just like Citigroup
1114
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:27,320
♪ I need a bailout
1115
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:30,260
♪ don't forget AIG,
1116
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:32,930
♪ Goldman Sachs
1117
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:34,790
♪ I need a bailout
1118
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,670
♪ bailout, bailout, bailout
1119
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:38,440
♪ bailout, bailout...
1120
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:43,850
Some doctors, including myself,
1121
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,050
get frustrated with
the FDA sometimes.
1122
00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:48,480
Because there are
medications that work well
1123
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:51,320
in Europe and other countries
that have been out for years,
1124
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,570
but it takes another 10, 12 years
to get approved in this country.
1125
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,400
So, in many ways,
they're very careful,
1126
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:59,110
and the process is very slow.
1127
00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:02,420
But in other situations,
certain drugs are fast tracked.
1128
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:05,710
So when you--when you look
at situations like Fen-phen,
1129
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:07,960
a drug that was really popular
in the '90s for weight loss,
1130
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:10,560
people--a lot of people
died from that drug.
1131
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:12,280
A lot of people are still alive now
1132
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:14,000
that are having long-term
1133
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,340
heart problems from that--
from that drug combination.
1134
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:20,540
They knew before that drug was
released that there was a problem.
1135
00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:23,850
People in that
particular company knew.
1136
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,820
Information was suppressed
1137
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:29,680
because when you go through R&D,
(Research and Development),
1138
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:33,280
to get a drug brought to market,
it could take several years.
1139
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:36,110
Tens of millions of dollars are
spent doing this process.
1140
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:39,340
So when that drug gets ready to be released by the FDA,
1141
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,250
it is a big deal if
it does not get released
1142
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,910
because they've already
spent a lot of money.
1143
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:48,340
And remember, pharmaceutical
companies are for profit.
1144
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:52,480
They're not non-profit, good,
you know, touchy-feely corporations.
1145
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,080
They are trying to make money.
1146
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:55,570
I remember I told my son,
1147
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,380
"Do you realize what
you're doing to yourself?"
1148
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:03,050
"Mom, you know, I-- these--
they got 'em from a doctor.
1149
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:05,280
A doctor's not gonna
give you anything bad."
1150
00:49:05,970 --> 00:49:07,770
So I don't know if they
have it in their head of,
1151
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:09,480
"Okay, well, I'm not
buying it on the street.
1152
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:11,600
I'm not buying it from the
drug dealer on the corner.
1153
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:15,570
I'm not buying it from--
you know, in an alley somewhere.
1154
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,820
I'm going into a doctor's office.
And I'm buying medication.
1155
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:21,170
And it's fine.
1156
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:23,200
Why would he give me something
that's gonna hurt me?"
1157
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,310
The Food and Drug Administration
1158
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:28,000
became responsible for
1159
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:31,650
certifying drugs as being safe
1160
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:36,250
and then, eventually,
for being safe and effective.
1161
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:38,060
Which means that no drug--
1162
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:40,680
no prescription drug,
no any kind of medical drug
1163
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:43,340
can be licensed for
public use in the United States
1164
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,970
without the prior approval
of the FDA.
1165
00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:51,170
Now that's a very strong piece
to have on the board,
1166
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:53,080
a very strong position to have.
1167
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:57,480
The FDA has built up
in strength and depth
1168
00:49:57,910 --> 00:50:00,620
each time around
a drug disaster where
1169
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:04,050
a manufacturer has put a really
dangerous drug out there
1170
00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:05,820
and not withdrawn it quickly.
1171
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:08,820
And that's led to congressional
investigations and then
1172
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:11,250
a ramping up of
the regulatory body.
1173
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:13,970
I think, at some times
in its history,
1174
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:17,740
the FDA has been
very important
1175
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:21,540
in the regulation and monitoring
of medications in the country.
1176
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:23,970
Unfortunately, it, too, has been
1177
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:25,310
co-opted by the industry,
1178
00:50:25,310 --> 00:50:28,820
has been happening gradually
over the last 20 year--
1179
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:30,740
really, over 30 years.
1180
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:32,420
A lot of times you have drugs that,
1181
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,620
maybe, shouldn't even
be on the market at all,
1182
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:36,050
get put on the market.
1183
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:38,200
And people start dying.
1184
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,650
And people start
having side effects.
1185
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,020
But nothing really happens
until at least
1186
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:44,170
they've recouped money,
made a profit.
1187
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:46,920
Then the FDA comes riding in
on a white horse and
1188
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:48,850
pulls the very same drug
1189
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:51,370
that should never have been
on the market in the first place,
1190
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,370
off the market.
1191
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,250
The problem is that,
1192
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:59,600
whenever a government agency
monitors an outside activity,
1193
00:50:59,710 --> 00:51:02,480
it is eventually bought and controlled
1194
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:04,820
by that which it monitors.
1195
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:06,800
So I think there are a lot of
1196
00:51:06,850 --> 00:51:09,340
very hardworking, conscientious,
1197
00:51:09,350 --> 00:51:11,510
highly trained people at the FDA,
1198
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,220
especially the reviewers,
1199
00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:15,820
who are great public servants.
1200
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:18,990
One pattern that we have found
1201
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:21,340
in recent times (but goes back
1202
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:24,880
to the '70s, I've found), is:
1203
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:28,540
senior management overriding
1204
00:51:29,110 --> 00:51:32,170
worries and warnings by
their own reviewers,
1205
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:35,310
basically approving a drug that
1206
00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:37,850
their own reviewers say
should not be approved
1207
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:40,110
because it's too dangerous
to go onto the market.
1208
00:51:40,310 --> 00:51:41,740
It's somewhat difficult
1209
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:44,220
for the FDA to get
physicians because
1210
00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:46,540
they do not pay
anywhere near as much as
1211
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:49,570
most physicians would make
in an academic medical center
1212
00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:52,200
or, certainly, as they would
make in the drug industry.
1213
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:55,050
They get doctors and there are
a lot of very dedicated
1214
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,740
physicians at the FDA.
1215
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:59,200
But, frequently,
the most dedicated ones
1216
00:51:59,310 --> 00:52:01,250
are driven out because
1217
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,080
their decisions about the
dangers of drugs are overturned.
1218
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,000
We did a study of physicians
at the FDA in 1998.
1219
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:12,370
Between them,
they cited 27 instances
1220
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:15,770
in which, a drug that they thought
was too dangerous to be approved
1221
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,420
was approved over their head,
got on the market.
1222
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,880
And in many cases, the drugs have
now been taken off the market.
1223
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:24,420
So if you are going into
the government,
1224
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:27,820
wanting to engage in
public health service,
1225
00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:30,340
being willing to take a lower salary,
1226
00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:33,200
and yet you're being thwarted
from your public health mission
1227
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:36,710
because your bosses are
overturning you, partly because
1228
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:39,280
they don't want to displease
the drug industry.
1229
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:41,600
It's not a very welcome atmosphere!
1230
00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:45,220
And so tremendous
pharmaceutical company influence
1231
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:47,650
has been exerted on the FDA
1232
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,050
to approve drugs manufactured
by these companies
1233
00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:54,110
as safe and effective, naturally.
1234
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:56,680
The rhetoric of the industry is:
1235
00:52:56,970 --> 00:53:00,570
"We need to do everything we can
to get life-saving drugs
1236
00:53:00,650 --> 00:53:04,170
to patients who need them
as quickly as possible."
1237
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:06,480
And that rhetoric prevails.
1238
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:09,050
That's what congressmen believe
1239
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:11,310
and journalists believe
and so forth.
1240
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:13,170
The reality is the following:
1241
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:17,600
that several
independent review bodies
1242
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,310
find that 5 out of 6 new drugs,
about 85% of new drugs,
1243
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:25,250
are little or no better
than existing drugs
1244
00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:27,340
against clinical measures.
1245
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,850
They can't be life-saving
1246
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,570
because they're no...
they're little or no better.
1247
00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:36,340
And a few years ago
the industry was successful in
1248
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:40,400
getting the time to review
of medications reduced
1249
00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:44,280
so that the FDA could go through
its review process more quickly.
1250
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:46,600
And that's been associated with
1251
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,170
a much higher rate
of approval of drugs,
1252
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:53,200
a much higher rate of
approval of dangerous drugs.
1253
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:55,620
The Vioxx disaster led
1254
00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:57,740
the FDA and Congress
1255
00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:00,820
and leading policy researchers to
1256
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:05,450
become very seriously concerned
about how unsafe drugs were.
1257
00:54:05,570 --> 00:54:08,250
Vioxx is a drug made by Merck
1258
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,510
that was touted as being
gentler on the stomach.
1259
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:12,650
It's a painkiller.
1260
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:18,740
And in their effort to prove that
it was gentle on the stomach,
1261
00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:21,170
the company, Merck,
did a study.
1262
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:23,220
Half the people got Vioxx
1263
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,680
and half of them got
another painkiller, Naproxen,
1264
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,600
which has been on the
market for a long time.
1265
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:32,110
The people that got Vioxx had
four times more heart attacks
1266
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:34,250
than the people
that got Naproxen.
1267
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:37,000
When that study was published,
we looked at the study.
1268
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:39,250
It was published in
November of 2000.
1269
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:42,400
It was no more effective as a
painkiller than a lot of other drugs
1270
00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:44,190
that didn't cause heart attacks.
1271
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,880
It took the FDA several years
1272
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,590
and yet another study showing
1273
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,970
that it caused heart attacks to
1274
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,050
get the drug
taken off the market.
1275
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:54,880
Merck pushed the FDA
all over the place
1276
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:57,340
to the point where they didn't
even put an adequate warning,
1277
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:59,170
let alone take it off the market.
1278
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,820
And it starts with something
the FDA is not attending to:
1279
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:07,080
having companies
test their own products.
1280
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:10,480
And they naturally want
to design those tests
1281
00:55:10,510 --> 00:55:13,450
to minimize evidence of
harmful side effects
1282
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,140
and maximize evidence of benefits
1283
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:17,790
so their drugs will be approved.
1284
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:19,400
It's quite clear that
1285
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,800
clinical trials that are
sponsored by industry
1286
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,080
are far more likely to be positive,
1287
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:25,800
to sort of find that the drug works,
1288
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,110
as compared with
publicly funded studies
1289
00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:32,910
that are funded by the national institutes
of health or non-profit foundations.
1290
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:37,110
Those trials not only are
misleading in their results,
1291
00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:40,340
and therefore mislead
the review process,
1292
00:55:40,510 --> 00:55:43,450
but they don't provide useful
information to clinicians
1293
00:55:43,450 --> 00:55:44,820
on how to use the drug.
1294
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,420
When these so-called drugs
1295
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:51,850
are approved on the basis of
their randomized control trial,
1296
00:55:51,850 --> 00:55:54,540
they're used in practice
without any accountability.
1297
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:56,940
There is no information system
1298
00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:59,110
that systematically looks for
1299
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,970
the impact of these approved
medications on people's health.
1300
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,050
So we're not looking.
1301
00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:07,740
We're not holding ourselves
accountable for what we're prescribing
1302
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:09,280
in the field of medical care.
1303
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:10,540
You have lobbyists.
1304
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:12,960
You have people
who work for the FDA
1305
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:15,600
who eventually go to work for
the pharmaceutical companies.
1306
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:18,540
And some of them come back
and work for the FDA,
1307
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:20,000
then move on to being
1308
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:22,510
a vice president of, perhaps,
1309
00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:26,140
Regulatory Affairs
at a drug company.
1310
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:29,850
Perfect position for
a regulator to go to,
1311
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:31,170
from the company's point of view,
1312
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:35,080
knows all the inside
byways and highways.
1313
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:38,370
Increasingly, particularly since 1992,
1314
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:41,000
most of the funding
for reviewing drugs
1315
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,400
comes directly in cash payments
from the drug industry to the FDA.
1316
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,280
It's a massive and almost
ludicrous conflict of interest.
1317
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:52,310
But it's one that was
passed by Congress
1318
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:54,320
as a way of balancing the budget.
1319
00:56:54,510 --> 00:56:59,480
They pay upwards of $800,000,
$900,000 per drug.
1320
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:02,880
They have to pay the money whether
the FDA approves the drug or not.
1321
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:05,050
But it creates a whole attitude,
1322
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,710
a different attitude than
used to exist before 1992
1323
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,770
as to how much policing
the FDA has done.
1324
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,940
That inevitably is going to mean
1325
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:18,940
that the FDA process
is going to change
1326
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:20,340
because of the money that they get:
1327
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:23,880
the size of the people who
are working in the FDA
1328
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:29,850
on moving the approval
of drugs forward.
1329
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:31,250
There are more people doing that,
1330
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:33,650
and you have less people
who are involved in
1331
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:38,030
monitoring marketing practices
of drug companies,
1332
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:40,250
who are monitoring drug safety.
1333
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,020
Basically, companies
through their lobbying,
1334
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:49,000
got Congress to agree that
they would pay for the FDA.
1335
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,650
They get quicker approvals.
1336
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,250
That means they make billions
more in revenues and profits.
1337
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:59,200
And in return, more people get
seriously ill, hospitalized, and die.
1338
00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:01,940
Because we've increased
the number of drugs,
1339
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,850
we've increased the adverse
event rates from drugs
1340
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,170
four times than we've increased
the prescription rate.
1341
00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:11,170
So that the adverse event rate
-- event rates for medications --
1342
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,400
are getting bigger and not smaller.
1343
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,420
And for some medications, we've
increased the adverse event rates
1344
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:18,910
16 times what it was ten years ago.
1345
00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:22,420
So there's no question in my mind
that the evidence shows
1346
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,540
-- strong evidence --
that adverse events
1347
00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:28,450
from medications are the
fourth leading cause of death.
1348
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,880
I wrote an article
1349
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:38,250
in the Journal of the American
Medical Association ten years ago.
1350
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:42,820
Interestingly enough, the article was
originally submitted to another journal,
1351
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:46,480
a very high-level, premier
journal, which rejected it
1352
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,570
on the grounds that nobody
would be interested in it.
1353
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,510
It was an article that
documented the fact
1354
00:58:53,570 --> 00:58:56,600
that the United States ranked
very poorly on health levels
1355
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:59,340
with regard to other
comparable countries --
1356
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,510
industrialized countries in the world.
1357
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:04,310
And it also documented the fact
1358
00:59:04,310 --> 00:59:07,480
that we had a very high
rate of adverse events
1359
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:12,310
from the use of various interventions
in the health care field.
1360
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:15,420
And since that article was
published 11 years ago,
1361
00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:19,080
I have continued to get
requests for reprints.
1362
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,200
I still get about five requests
for reprints every week.
1363
00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:26,340
The article has gotten
a lot of attention,
1364
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:28,880
mostly, I think, from laypeople.
1365
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:32,480
Almost no attention
from government.
1366
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:36,020
I have never been
contacted by the FDA to
1367
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,110
explain what I've done or to
explore the ramifications.
1368
00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:43,650
And I think that's because
1369
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:46,110
people don't like to know
1370
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:48,680
that medications can be harmful
1371
00:59:48,910 --> 00:59:52,310
and that they, in fact, may
account at least in part
1372
00:59:52,310 --> 00:59:55,340
for the fact that we don't do
very well internationally
1373
00:59:55,540 --> 00:59:57,370
in our health levels.
1374
00:59:57,540 --> 01:00:01,670
So how is the cartel going to
present itself as, really,
1375
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:06,600
the one and only solution
to the problem of illness?
1376
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:08,310
Through media.
1377
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:11,970
Could you imagine a society where people advertised,
1378
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:14,250
you know, heroin on television?
1379
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,620
You know, "I got blue magic,
Da da da da da.
1380
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:20,710
Call this number or, you know,
this website." You know, like...
1381
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:23,540
That's funny, because
you couldn't imagine that.
1382
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:26,880
But you now have pharmaceutical
companies selling drugs
1383
01:00:27,050 --> 01:00:30,620
through commercials on
television, billboards, and such.
1384
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:33,370
The United States is one of
very few countries in the world
1385
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,400
in which direct-to-consumer
advertising is legal.
1386
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,800
And it's considered a free
speech right in the U.S..
1387
01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:42,050
And it's protected as a
free speech right here.
1388
01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:46,220
Proponents of direct-to-consumer advertising say that it helps
1389
01:00:46,220 --> 01:00:48,570
facilitate communication
between doctors and patients,
1390
01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:50,620
that it informs patients of things and
1391
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,220
sort of helps them to be able to
talk about them with their doctors.
1392
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:55,570
And there actually is some
evidence that that's true.
1393
01:00:55,710 --> 01:00:57,940
There's also evidence that it--
1394
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:01,940
it increases prescribing of
advertised drugs. And, obviously,
1395
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,600
you know, the pharmaceutical
industry are pretty smart,
1396
01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:05,910
and they wouldn't do it
if it didn't work.
1397
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:07,620
There's no counterbalance to that.
1398
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:10,740
So, in other words, when
a person is watching television
1399
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:12,450
and they see this ad comes on,
1400
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:15,480
and they say, "Are you not
getting enough sleep at night?
1401
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,510
Are you restless? Are you anxious?
1402
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:19,510
You having problems in the bedroom?"
1403
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:22,370
Almost anybody watching
these commercials
1404
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:25,510
can relate to some of these problems
at some point in time. And then...
1405
01:01:25,570 --> 01:01:28,280
all the while it's just
beautiful commercials rolling,
1406
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,880
people in slow motion frolicking
through the forest, holding hands,
1407
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:35,510
beautiful music,
you have a guy reading
1408
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,220
in a very low voice of all
the potential side effects.
1409
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,770
But our visual --
there's a visual disconnect.
1410
01:01:40,770 --> 01:01:44,770
We have the side effects being
read really low volume and fast.
1411
01:01:44,770 --> 01:01:48,310
And you have the people that look
like they're just enjoying their life.
1412
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,340
And you have people that end up
1413
01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:52,880
going to their doctor's
based on a commercial,
1414
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,080
asking for a pill. --
"Call your doctor if you have high fever,
1415
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,650
stiff muscles, and confusion to address
a possible life-threatening condition.
1416
01:01:58,710 --> 01:02:00,740
Or if you have uncontrollable
muscle movements
1417
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:02,420
as these could become permanent,
1418
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:05,600
High blood sugar has been reported
with Abilify and medicines like it.
1419
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,170
In some cases, extreme high blood
sugar can lead to coma or death.
1420
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:10,820
Other risks include decreases..."
1421
01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:14,370
The FDA guidelines are
kind of legalistic.
1422
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,310
But they're also very, very vague.
1423
01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:19,940
So they don't particularly mandate
the presence of important information,
1424
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:24,250
they just mandate the absence of
overtly misleading information.
1425
01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:27,420
Because the FDA is so unable to
1426
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,880
look at all of the marketing
materials that are out there,
1427
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:31,370
we felt it was important to look at
1428
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:33,850
the adherence of materials
to their guidelines.
1429
01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:37,220
So what we found in the case
of consumer-directed ads
1430
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:42,400
is that relatively few of the
ads were clearly adherent.
1431
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:45,740
But, most of the time, that was
because of incomplete information.
1432
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:48,370
They're just was not the
information present in the ad
1433
01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:51,310
for us to even assess the
adherence to the FDA guidelines.
1434
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:55,250
We also found that over 1/4 of the drugs that were advertised
1435
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:59,450
in our sample had a black box
warning from the FDA.
1436
01:02:59,510 --> 01:03:02,450
So a black box warning is
an indication from the FDA
1437
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:04,420
that a drug is
particularly dangerous.
1438
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:07,110
If you are prescribed a drug, and
you get the package's insert,
1439
01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:11,280
you'll actually see a warning in
bold letters in a black rectangle.
1440
01:03:11,650 --> 01:03:14,820
Well, how do I feel about
the way this country has gone
1441
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,650
over the... my professional lifetime?
1442
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:23,850
The fact that it's falling further and
further behind in population health.
1443
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:26,280
It's falling further and further behind
1444
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,910
in people's satisfaction with
the health care system.
1445
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:34,420
It's going further and further
behind in terms of cost control
1446
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:39,910
and, in general, just simply not keeping
up with the necessary changes.
1447
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:44,000
It's very disappointing. And
it makes me very unhappy.
1448
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:50,680
Both from a professional point of view
as well as from a personal point of view.
1449
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,420
I know that probably ever since
1450
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,910
I started writing about primary care,
which was in the early 1990s,
1451
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:01,600
I have been deliberately
shut out of
1452
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,400
policy making groups
and consultancies.
1453
01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:09,700
And basically the only thing
that keeps me going
1454
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:13,680
is the fact that I am well regarded
scientifically and professionally.
1455
01:04:13,770 --> 01:04:15,200
I think no one
1456
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,570
has ever mounted a challenge
to my use of evidence.
1457
01:04:18,570 --> 01:04:20,820
At least I am not aware of it.
1458
01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:24,020
They certainly haven't done it
in professional media.
1459
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:27,450
So I really don't have
much dissatisfaction
1460
01:04:27,450 --> 01:04:31,680
about the contributions
I've made to scholarship
1461
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:35,570
and to knowledge about the way
health care should be provided.
1462
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:39,340
But it has been personally
disappointing that
1463
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:45,600
my work has not led to positive
change over my lifetime.
1464
01:04:56,830 --> 01:05:00,420
The Obama Administration's
health care policy
1465
01:05:00,650 --> 01:05:03,620
still left the insurance
companies in charge.
1466
01:05:04,340 --> 01:05:08,050
It was reformed within the
context of a for-profit system.
1467
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:11,770
Insurance companies are still
raising their rates to the roof.
1468
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:16,570
It also didn't do anything to touch
the pharmaceutical industry.
1469
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:20,020
Because, essentially, with
Medicare Part D still intact,
1470
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:23,370
the pharmaceutical companies
can continue to name their price
1471
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,680
for prescription drugs and get it.
1472
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,910
So the government, then,
has a dual burden,
1473
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:34,000
which is: more pressure on the Medicare budget
1474
01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:39,110
-- through the pharmaceutical companies taking a big chunk out of it --
1475
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,020
and greater pressure on the
entire health care system
1476
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:46,510
-- through... about one out
of every three dollars
1477
01:05:46,510 --> 01:05:48,740
going for the activities
of the for-profit system
1478
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:51,050
(corporate profits, stock options, executive salaries,
1479
01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:53,200
advertising, marketing,
the cost of paperwork).
1480
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,050
I spoke about the urgent need
for health care reform
1481
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:58,170
and what will be
required to achieve it.
1482
01:05:58,540 --> 01:06:01,280
And one of the things that will
be required, I said, was that
1483
01:06:01,370 --> 01:06:03,710
everyone in our
health care community
1484
01:06:03,850 --> 01:06:06,620
is gonna have to come
together and do their part.
1485
01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:08,540
In recent days,
1486
01:06:08,650 --> 01:06:11,970
Chairman Max Baucus, who's
been doing an outstanding job
1487
01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:14,340
leading the Finance Committee
on this issue...
1488
01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:16,400
What I'm holding is
a bottle of Zyprexa.
1489
01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:19,680
Zyprexa is an
anti-psychotic medication.
1490
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,740
It's very popular and
it's very expensive.
1491
01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:27,340
This among some of
the others: Abilify,
1492
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,820
Cialis -- erectile
dysfunction drugs --
1493
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:33,400
are very commonly diverted.
1494
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:36,510
The reason being is, again,
the medical programs
1495
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,450
and insurance programs pay
a lot of money for these drugs.
1496
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,050
I'm a sales rep for
a pharmaceutical company,
1497
01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:44,080
been doing it for about a year.
I'm a sales rep for
a pharmaceutical company,
1498
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,910
been doing it for about a year.
1499
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:48,350
And my job is essentially to
1500
01:06:48,350 --> 01:06:52,020
sell our products to physicians.
1501
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:56,310
You can be fired for talking to
physicians off-labeling.
1502
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:57,850
Now, does it happen?
1503
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,370
It happens often, and
it happens frequently.
1504
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:06,540
Off-label promotion in English
means a drug company
1505
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:11,400
attempting to sell a drug for a disease
that the FDA hasn't approved it for.
1506
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,170
Let's say a drug gets approved
by the FDA for one purpose
1507
01:07:15,310 --> 01:07:17,020
and it doesn't sell very much.
1508
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,970
So the company says,
"Hmm, maybe we can pretend,
1509
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:25,000
by advertising and promotion and
buying up doctors to spread the buzz
1510
01:07:25,110 --> 01:07:30,480
that this drug is also good for the 2nd
and third and fourth and fifth disease."
1511
01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:33,880
Their marketing is ingenious.
1512
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:41,570
It is so illegal. It makes the
Colombian cartel look like child's play.
1513
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:47,510
Eli Lilly knows how long
it's drug is patented
1514
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,540
and how long they're gonna charge
a premium price for that drug.
1515
01:07:51,620 --> 01:07:54,020
And as soon as
that drug goes generic,
1516
01:07:54,140 --> 01:07:57,710
they need another drug to
replace it to replace those profits,
1517
01:07:57,710 --> 01:08:00,510
because shareholders expect profits
1518
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:02,480
and a return on their investment.
1519
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,250
So Prozac is going off patent
1520
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:10,420
and they need to replace those
profits. So they take Zyprexa,
1521
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:13,620
and they develop
this elaborate scheme
1522
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:19,250
to market Zyprexa to the elderly and
to the children, to anybody off-label.
1523
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,250
This is a criminal act on
the part of a company.
1524
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:28,050
If they do this, they're essentially
making it seem as though this drug
1525
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:33,850
is safe enough relative to
its benefits to be promoted.
1526
01:08:33,970 --> 01:08:36,280
The fact is, if it hasn't
been approved at all
1527
01:08:36,310 --> 01:08:39,020
for that off-label or second purpose,
1528
01:08:39,170 --> 01:08:41,510
we don't know whether
the benefits outweigh the risk
1529
01:08:41,540 --> 01:08:43,080
or whether the risks
outweigh the benefits.
1530
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:45,820
If there was enough evidence
of that, it would be on-label.
1531
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,020
The FDA would get the evidence
and would approve it.
1532
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:51,400
So the elderly that were
placed on Zyprexa
1533
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:53,620
died terribly painful deaths.
1534
01:08:53,770 --> 01:08:59,540
Eli Lilly had psychiatrists
in their staff
1535
01:08:59,650 --> 01:09:02,880
develop a psychological profile
1536
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,220
of the doctors prescribing Zyprexa.
1537
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,400
They would direct the marker to say
1538
01:09:09,540 --> 01:09:13,880
"No matter how dumb your doctor
is, don't talk down to him."
1539
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,710
Pharmaceutical representatives
are universally attractive.
1540
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,480
They get recruited from places
like cheerleading squads
1541
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,770
at big ten schools,
in the case of women.
1542
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:27,020
And it's quite clear that
part of their hiring process
1543
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:29,110
is the attractiveness of the people.
1544
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:31,680
They don't particularly have
a lot of medical background,
1545
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,200
you know, they are marketers.
1546
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:36,740
But they go to sort of boot camp
to learn about their drug.
1547
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:40,850
They're going to primary care
physicians, who are treating you and I,
1548
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:46,020
and telling them how to manage their patients
1549
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:48,940
who might just have
a sleep disorder.
1550
01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:51,620
And I guess the most
frustrating thing to me
1551
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:54,770
to find out is that 20% of
the people getting Zyprexa,
1552
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,940
at least in our claims data,
1553
01:09:57,020 --> 01:10:00,450
were people that were over 65,
for whom it was off-labeled.
1554
01:10:00,450 --> 01:10:03,110
Not only that, most of
these people had never,
1555
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:04,650
in the data that we had,
1556
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:08,080
had evidence that they were
Schizophrenic or bipolar.
1557
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,200
They taught them to say,
1558
01:10:10,220 --> 01:10:13,020
"Doctor, well, don't you have any
people that come in and complain:
1559
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:17,540
'Well, you know, financially, we're
doing--we're having a difficult time,
1560
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,310
and I'm just stressed out right now'?
1561
01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:26,050
Anybody who says that, who uses these magic words like 'stress',
1562
01:10:26,110 --> 01:10:31,140
you can convert that word
into 'delusional', okay?
1563
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,510
You can convert any anxiety they
have into a delusional behavior.
1564
01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:40,220
And as long as you put
'delusional' in your record,
1565
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:44,420
then you can qualify for payment
1566
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:47,450
by a government entity like Medicaid and Medicare."
1567
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:51,170
The reason that drug companies
pray on Medicaid
1568
01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:54,170
is the same reason that
bank robbers rob banks.
1569
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:55,710
That's where the money is.
1570
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:59,080
And there's hundreds
of millions of dollars
1571
01:10:59,110 --> 01:11:03,170
in even a relatively
small state like Utah,
1572
01:11:03,170 --> 01:11:06,280
with its population of
2.5 million people.
1573
01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:12,710
"If you do that, we will pay you
to go on a speaking circuit
1574
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:17,020
to tell other doctors
how effective this drug is
1575
01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:20,620
for your regular patients."
1576
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:22,280
What qualifies as a speaker is,
1577
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:28,000
if that doctor got on the phone and
talked to even one other doctor
1578
01:11:28,170 --> 01:11:31,880
who was scheduled to take part
in a telephonic conference,
1579
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:33,600
they would get a check.
1580
01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:38,170
And there were doctors who were
getting a lot of checks for that.
1581
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:39,820
I sue drug companies.
1582
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,340
I sue them on behalf of
Attorney General.
1583
01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:46,740
I sue them on behalf of Medicaid.
1584
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:50,050
I've been doing that
for about six years.
1585
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,770
We were really
the first set of lawyers
1586
01:11:53,770 --> 01:11:57,340
to bring an Attorney
General case to trial.
1587
01:11:57,370 --> 01:12:00,480
We bought--brought
that case to trial in Alaska.
1588
01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:04,010
Two weeks into trial and shortly
before the jury out..., went out,
1589
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:06,910
we settled the case
for $15 million.
1590
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:11,540
I settled Utah's case against the
same defendant, which is Eli Lilly,
1591
01:12:11,540 --> 01:12:13,680
maker of the drug Zyprexa.
1592
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,620
I settled the Utah case
for $24 million,
1593
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,740
Idaho case for $13 million,
1594
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:25,020
West Virginia versus Eli Lilly,
which settled for about $24 million.
1595
01:12:25,050 --> 01:12:28,200
Many of the Attorney
Generals turned us away
1596
01:12:29,340 --> 01:12:35,510
because it's unpopular for
them to sue big business.
1597
01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:39,600
Not only is it unpopular,
but it's very expensive.
1598
01:12:39,710 --> 01:12:45,910
The government purse was being
depleted in enormous amounts
1599
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:49,360
by these drug companies
that weren't playing fair
1600
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:53,050
and the government had
the right to recover that money.
1601
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:58,770
The issue was--it's whether or not
there was excessive costs
1602
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,880
or excessive inappropriate uses of
Zyprexa in the Medicaid population.
1603
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:07,220
The FDA approved
the use of that drug
1604
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,370
for people between
the ages of 18 and 65
1605
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:17,000
only if they had been diagnosed with
bipolar disorder or Schizophrenia.
1606
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:19,970
In other words, they had no
clinical condition in their past
1607
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:22,510
that would indicate why
they should get Zyprexa.
1608
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,340
Secondly is, is these people had an increased propensity
1609
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:28,570
for getting diabetes.
1610
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,140
I looked, then, at what the cost
would be to our program
1611
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:31,170
and noted that, besides the pill costs,
I looked, then, at what the cost
would be to our program
1612
01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:33,740
and noted that, besides the pill costs,
1613
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:35,370
there were additional
health care costs,
1614
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:38,710
maybe up to $70 million
for our particular state
1615
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,280
for the use of this medication.
1616
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,170
These are primary care physicians
that they're selling Zyprexa to.
1617
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,200
They're not going to psychiatrists
1618
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:53,800
who are treating the people the
FDA has approved Zyprexa for.
1619
01:13:53,850 --> 01:13:59,710
Only psychiatrists are treating people
with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
1620
01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:02,510
The justice department that
prosecutes these cases
1621
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:06,340
hasn't fined the companies
anywhere near as much as they should.
1622
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:10,220
In other words, as much as they made.
Nor has anyone ever gone to jail.
1623
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,760
If you just think about the
consequences of this criminal activity:
1624
01:14:14,110 --> 01:14:18,250
a doctor gets illegally promoted
by the company
1625
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:21,970
to prescribe a drug that
the doctor may think
1626
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:23,880
has benefits that outweigh the risk.
1627
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:25,370
There isn't any evidence
for that at all.
1628
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:28,540
The doctor prescribes
the drug, a person dies
1629
01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:31,300
because there really wasn't any
evidence that it even worked for that.
1630
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:33,850
And there were--
there's evidence of dangers.
1631
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:37,420
One company, Pfizer, one of the
biggest drug companies in the world,
1632
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:40,710
sold $1 billion a year
of a particular drug,
1633
01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:44,420
and 90% of the sales
were for off-label use.
1634
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:47,170
Illegal, they were criminally
prosecuted for it
1635
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,500
back about five or six years ago.
1636
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:50,900
But the fine they paid,
1637
01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:53,600
which seemed large
--hundreds of millions of dollars--
1638
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:57,050
wasn't big enough to deter
them from doing it again.
1639
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,170
And in September of 2009,
the same company
1640
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:06,310
paid the largest criminal penalty ever
paid by any United States company:
1641
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:12,570
over $1.2 billion for illegal,
criminal off-label promotion.
1642
01:15:12,650 --> 01:15:14,880
This was a deliberate scheme.
1643
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,740
They know how defenseless
Medicaid and Medicare are
1644
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,740
when it comes to paying
drug prescriptions.
1645
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:28,000
There's such an elaborate
computer oriented system
1646
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,770
set up for payment
1647
01:15:29,770 --> 01:15:33,940
of these millions and millions
of prescriptions across the country
1648
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:36,600
by people on Medicaid and Medicare
1649
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,880
that it can't be interrupted.
1650
01:15:39,020 --> 01:15:44,140
There's no way for
any watchdog to say,
1651
01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:47,480
"Oh well, you've prescribed
this to somebody
1652
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,450
who has no business taking it."
1653
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:51,570
Medicaid will pay
1654
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,540
whatever it is they choose
to charge for their drugs.
1655
01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:57,680
So Zyprexa prescriptions
1656
01:15:57,820 --> 01:16:03,080
cost somewhere between $500
and $1,000 a month per person.
1657
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:05,970
It's an extraordinarily
expensive drug.
1658
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:07,620
When we looked at this,
we noticed that
1659
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:09,740
there was a considerable
increase in cost.
1660
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:12,200
In addition to the cost of
the medicine itself.
1661
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,710
Now, this was particularly
frustrating to me
1662
01:16:14,710 --> 01:16:18,400
because recently there's been evidence that some of the older
1663
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:22,710
antipsychotics -- (Antipsychotics had been around for 40 or 50 years) --
1664
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:25,800
work almost as well as Zyprexa.
1665
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:29,170
So here we have a
group of people over 65
1666
01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:33,510
who are getting a medication for
anxiety or to calm them down
1667
01:16:33,620 --> 01:16:36,450
for which the medicine
was not approved,
1668
01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:38,340
and it's costing a lot of money,
1669
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:41,140
increasing the likelihood
that they'll have diabetes.
1670
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:44,220
And in addition to that,
there are other medicines
1671
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:46,800
that they could've used that
seem to work as effectively.
1672
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:51,710
But the state is paying for it, so it
doesn't matter that it's expensive.
1673
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:56,000
And it doesn't matter that there
are other things that are better.
1674
01:16:56,050 --> 01:17:00,420
It's sort of like a modern
form of lobotomy.
1675
01:17:00,970 --> 01:17:03,420
While the nurses
are complaining less
1676
01:17:03,450 --> 01:17:07,770
because the old people are
less active, it's killing them.
1677
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,280
And it's extremely expensive.
1678
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,940
Our look at the data said it's
extremely expensive to die.
1679
01:17:18,110 --> 01:17:22,970
So what happens is: Medicaid winds up
paying for the person's final illness.
1680
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:26,970
So it's a win-win for Lilly
and for the doctors,
1681
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:32,450
but it is a terrible losing
proposition for the state.
1682
01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:36,940
What we found out through
the Medicaid databases
1683
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:39,140
of the states that we represented
1684
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:45,540
was that over 50%
of the drug Zyprexa
1685
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:50,020
was prescribed off-label for
uses unapproved by the FDA.
1686
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:54,740
This is over 50% of the drug
just in the Medicaid population.
1687
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,250
There's no doubt that at least
that much of the drug
1688
01:17:58,250 --> 01:18:02,940
was prescribed off-label for people
outside the Medicaid population.
1689
01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:04,570
All right, now we're gonna
get back to our earnings.
1690
01:18:04,570 --> 01:18:05,970
specifically drug earnings.
1691
01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:09,250
Eli Lilly beating analyst estimates
by two pennies a share,
1692
01:18:09,310 --> 01:18:12,200
not counting money set aside
for future legal settlements
1693
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,770
linked to the
antipsychotic drug Zyprexa.
1694
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:17,200
Joining us for a closer look
at the company's numbers
1695
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,970
is John Lechleiter, Chief
Executive Officer at Eli Lilly.
1696
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:20,600
He comes to us
1697
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,000
from the company's headquarters
in Indianapolis this morning.
1698
01:18:23,020 --> 01:18:25,250
John, good morning. Good to
have you back on Morning Call.
1699
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:26,370
Thanks, Carol, good morning.
1700
01:18:26,370 --> 01:18:29,620
So what are the highlights
from the quarter?
1701
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,080
Carol, we had a very strong quarter.
We grew our sales 14%.
1702
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,740
We grew our expenses
less than that.
1703
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,710
We expanded our gross margin.
1704
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,140
Our non gap quarter to
quarter comparison:
1705
01:18:42,170 --> 01:18:44,880
14% growth in
earnings per share.
1706
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:49,370
Make it too expensive
to do it in the unsafe way.
1707
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,280
If you say to the drug company,
1708
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,540
"Hey, look. You can make
1709
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:01,740
$4 billion worth of profit out of this
if you do it in the unsafe way,
1710
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:06,310
but I'm only gonna
fine you $1 billion."
1711
01:19:06,910 --> 01:19:10,280
Well, that's $3 billion
worth of profit.
1712
01:19:10,940 --> 01:19:14,200
Well, it can't work that way.
1713
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:20,200
It's got to be too expensive
to do it in the unsafe way.
1714
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,820
The FDA, they don't have
the manpower. They never will.
1715
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,080
They do it--they do the best job
that they can with what they have.
1716
01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:29,770
But as one of our experts said,
1717
01:19:29,770 --> 01:19:34,450
nobody can review a new
drug application at the FDA.
1718
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:38,140
Because no human being
can read the whole thing.
1719
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:40,370
You can hide the stuff in there.
1720
01:19:40,570 --> 01:19:42,450
But what the drug company
needs to know
1721
01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:44,710
before they ever submit
that application
1722
01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:48,620
is that if I hide things in there
and the truth comes out,
1723
01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:53,880
it's going to be more expense
than it is worth.
1724
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:58,140
Otherwise, none of us are gonna
be safe from this behavior.
1725
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:02,880
You can't let them make
a net profit on lying.
1726
01:20:02,910 --> 01:20:06,680
You make a net profit on
lying, you're going to lie.
1727
01:20:06,740 --> 01:20:08,400
And it's the
lawyer's fault, OK?
1728
01:20:08,420 --> 01:20:11,250
It's the lawyer's fault.
We invented corporations.
1729
01:20:11,420 --> 01:20:14,740
And when we invented it,
we didn't give it a conscience.
1730
01:20:14,740 --> 01:20:18,020
We didn't give it a soul.
You can't put it in jail.
1731
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:22,280
It's not a human being. It's a
machine. It's a legal machine.
1732
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,570
We invented it.
It's our fault.
1733
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:27,600
But the only way to keep
that machine in check
1734
01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:32,110
is to make it too expensive
for that machine to do it.
1735
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,850
Because that's all the machine understands.
1736
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:36,850
And that'll solve the problem.
1737
01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:39,140
We--we are spending
1738
01:20:41,020 --> 01:20:43,510
for a level of health care
1739
01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:45,170
that we should be able to have it all.
1740
01:20:45,170 --> 01:20:48,280
Instead, what we spend
on health care
1741
01:20:48,370 --> 01:20:53,140
benefits the insurance companies
and the pharmaceutical companies.
1742
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:55,820
I think we need to change
medical education.
1743
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,310
We need to train medical
students in residence
1744
01:20:59,370 --> 01:21:01,570
so that they think about
adverse effects,
1745
01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:07,050
probably even before they think
about the desired effect.
1746
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:12,450
Because adverse effects
cause problems in patients.
1747
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:17,200
And that's counter to the principle
that we all have abided--
1748
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:21,400
that we all have sworn to when we
graduated, that is, "Do no harm."
1749
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:25,650
As much as I'm for small government,
we're gonna need a monitoring agency.
1750
01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:31,050
But we have to figure out ways
to absolutely insulate
1751
01:21:31,170 --> 01:21:36,400
the people who monitor from the
people whom they're monitoring.
1752
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,650
We can look back as far as
people like Elvis Presley,
1753
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,420
and Anna Nicole Smith
more recently,
1754
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:47,770
and then graduating into Heath Ledger, Corey Haim, people like this dying.
1755
01:21:47,770 --> 01:21:50,370
And the only positive
that's come out of this negative
1756
01:21:50,370 --> 01:21:53,250
is that it's brought some attention
to the American public
1757
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,250
that this is a problem.
1758
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,540
And the reality is is that,
regular people, non-celebrities,
1759
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:05,200
are dying every single day from
prescription pills--not from overdoses,
1760
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,770
not from people taking it for fun,
1761
01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:09,340
but people simply
taking their medications
1762
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:12,140
exactly how their doctor
told them to take it.
1763
01:22:12,170 --> 01:22:17,220
But the combination of sleeping pills
and anxiety pills and narcotics,
1764
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,910
they go to sleep,
they don't wake up.
1765
01:22:27,650 --> 01:22:29,080
So how do we stop it?
1766
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:34,850
The problem is, we have a nation
of addicts that are being ignored.
1767
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:43,910
The answer to the problem,
1768
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:46,340
in my opinion, is
not the government.
1769
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:47,280
It's not other people.
1770
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,510
It really starts with the individual
being responsible for themselves.
1771
01:22:51,540 --> 01:22:56,710
I think that every person should have
their own medical record, period.
1772
01:22:56,770 --> 01:23:00,220
You shouldn't rely on your medical
record to be at your doctor's office.
1773
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:01,740
Maintain your own medical records.
1774
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:05,250
If you have an MRI,
get a copy for yourself.
1775
01:23:19,220 --> 01:23:21,110
The best way to solve this problem
1776
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:23,250
is to prevent it from
happening in the first place.
1777
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,110
If a person has to have surgery,
1778
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:27,140
then they're gonna need a pain pill after surgery....
1779
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:30,850
You're gonna have an arthroscopy
of your knee, it hurts.
1780
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:33,850
It's supposed to hurt. You're supposed
to take some pain medicine.
1781
01:23:33,940 --> 01:23:39,540
Most pain happens after surgery in the
first 72 hours, the first three days.
1782
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:43,170
So it's fine to take a strong
painkiller for those three days.
1783
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,540
But often what you see is,
doctors will give out 90 pills
1784
01:23:47,540 --> 01:23:49,910
or 60 pills or 120 pills
1785
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,480
for a surgery
1786
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:53,280
that's only gonna
really hurt the person
1787
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,880
where they would need those pills
for maybe three or four days.
1788
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,970
If you only use a few pills,
1789
01:24:11,970 --> 01:24:13,740
get rid of the other pills.
1790
01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:15,570
You don't want to throw
them down the toilet.
1791
01:24:15,570 --> 01:24:17,220
People say, “Well, I flush
it down the toilet."
1792
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,140
We're contaminating
our water system.
1793
01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:20,680
So you don't want to
flush it down the toilet.
1794
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,600
You want to take it back to
your physician's office.
1795
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,680
And they normally have a
mechanism to get rid of drugs safely.
1796
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,250
Don't look--don't accept
a pill for a problem.
1797
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:46,970
So if you go to a doctor
1798
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:48,450
and you tell the doctor
1799
01:24:48,570 --> 01:24:49,940
that you're having headaches.
1800
01:24:49,940 --> 01:24:52,400
And the first thing he does is
give you a pill for headache--
1801
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:54,420
he doesn't even ask you
what kind of headaches,
1802
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:56,820
when did they start,
why they start.
1803
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:58,710
You first tell the doctor,
1804
01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:01,800
"Is there any alternative other than
this pill for my headaches?"
1805
01:25:01,850 --> 01:25:04,910
And if the doctor tells you no,
it's time to find a new doctor.
1806
01:25:53,580 --> 01:25:55,050
♪ You got to push in my hand
1807
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,080
♪ that won't let up.
1808
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,570
♪ No brakes, living fast,
not givin' a fuck.
1809
01:25:58,570 --> 01:26:00,480
♪ High stakes, I'm gonna get it
1810
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:01,480
♪ 'cause I'm a fiend
1811
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:02,680
♪ sell the devil my soul
1812
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:03,820
♪ to get me what I need.
1813
01:26:03,820 --> 01:26:04,880
♪ Get me a fix,
1814
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:06,400
♪ get me back into the zone.
1815
01:26:06,420 --> 01:26:07,820
♪ Just one more trip
1816
01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:09,050
♪ until my mind gets blown.
1817
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:10,050
♪ Leave me alone.
1818
01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:11,870
♪ Prescriptions for the shit I'm on
1819
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,370
♪ got me looking like the light's on.
1820
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:14,540
♪ But no one's home
1821
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:15,450
♪ check my heartbeat
1822
01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:17,030
♪ racing at the speed of light.
1823
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:17,080
♪ Percocet or Vicodin
♪ racing at the speed of light.
1824
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:18,430
♪ Percocet or Vicodin
1825
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:19,600
♪ will set you free tonight.
1826
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:19,620
♪ I tripled up on everything
♪ will set you free tonight.
1827
01:26:19,620 --> 01:26:20,910
♪ I tripled up on everything
1828
01:26:20,930 --> 01:26:22,330
♪ I'm not breathing right
1829
01:26:22,340 --> 01:26:23,740
♪ it's got a hold on me
1830
01:26:23,740 --> 01:26:24,820
♪ and it might seize my life.
1831
01:26:24,820 --> 01:26:26,170
♪ I ain't never give a fuck
1832
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:27,020
♪ about shit
1833
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:28,110
♪ except for corporate doctor
1834
01:26:28,110 --> 01:26:29,400
♪ trying to get me that fix.
1835
01:26:29,420 --> 01:26:31,020
♪ I got a drug cocktail
1836
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:32,080
♪ to get me in the mix.
1837
01:26:32,770 --> 01:26:33,940
♪ Pop a pill, kneel
1838
01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:35,510
♪ and kiss my crucifix,
1839
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:36,820
♪ I see that my
1840
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:38,950
♪ problems never change
1841
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:42,600
♪ the more I try....
1842
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:46,570
I'm stopped taking the medication.
1843
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,000
It had side effects that had
1844
01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:55,080
caused me numerous whole bouts
1845
01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:58,220
of personality changes that
1846
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:01,020
caused a breakup with my fiancée.
1847
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,850
I kind of just stopped everything,
1848
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:08,000
and, for about 20 days,
1849
01:27:08,050 --> 01:27:11,970
went through withdrawals and
the worst feeling in my life.
1850
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,540
I was an addict.
1851
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:17,410
I was taking them all the time
1852
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,220
for two years.
1853
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:22,420
I was taking eight to ten a day.
1854
01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:24,970
and my body felt like I needed it.
1855
01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:26,250
I had no strength.
1856
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,370
Like I was nobody.
1857
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,000
I was really sad, crying.
1858
01:27:32,670 --> 01:27:35,060
Okay,
1859
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,340
I started at one pill a day
1860
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:42,730
for the first month or so.
1861
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:45,480
and then it slowly progressed to two.
1862
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:48,280
And then I ended up at the most--
1863
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,420
I ended up taking about
1864
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,310
seven to eight pills a day.
1865
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,770
and I was sifting them onto foil.
1866
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:57,650
And then I would smoke them.
1867
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,170
Or sometimes I would sniff them.
1868
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:05,020
And it just took me away.
It hit me.
1869
01:28:05,050 --> 01:28:06,880
It'd make you feel maybe--
1870
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,250
maybe a little euphoric
or something.
1871
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,910
But I always thought
I took them for the pain.
1872
01:28:12,910 --> 01:28:14,600
But I think I took them mostly
1873
01:28:14,650 --> 01:28:17,220
like they said, because I just
thought I needed them.
1874
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,620
I never knew what
these medications were
1875
01:28:20,620 --> 01:28:23,620
or, you know, the
long-term effects of them.
1876
01:28:23,620 --> 01:28:27,740
It's such an easy thing to get
caught in this vicious circle.
1877
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:31,370
Being given pills every month,
1878
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:35,020
you know, ridiculous quantities,
1879
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,280
is just like you're not even you.
1880
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:39,340
You're just a zombie.
1881
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:42,130
♪ Stuck on the mushrooms,
1882
01:28:42,130 --> 01:28:43,370
♪ hallucinating
1883
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:44,540
♪ locked in the room
1884
01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:45,910
♪ going head up a second
1885
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:47,240
♪ addicted to them pistols
1886
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,640
♪ and running missions
1887
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:49,820
♪ 45 the case
1888
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,140
♪ and making bad decisions
1889
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,640
♪ addicted to throwin' up
1890
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:53,570
♪ my blessing.
1891
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:54,710
♪ I was down to die
1892
01:28:54,710 --> 01:28:55,570
♪ for that shit.
1893
01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:56,220
♪ You can bet
1894
01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:57,600
♪ I'm addicted to this music
1895
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:58,880
♪ that saved my life,
1896
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,020
♪ helped me become a man,
1897
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,650
♪ and get my shit right,
1898
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:03,450
♪ and I’ll probably
1899
01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:05,510
♪ never can change.
1900
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:08,860
♪ The more I try
1901
01:29:09,340 --> 01:29:11,540
♪ the more I stay the same.
1902
01:29:11,540 --> 01:29:14,000
♪ I hate to look in the mirror
1903
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:15,140
♪ 'cause all I see
1904
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:16,480
♪ somebody sprung
1905
01:29:16,540 --> 01:29:17,800
♪ that looks like me.
1906
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,570
♪ And I can't break my habits
1907
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:23,000
♪ I'm an American addict!
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