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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,105 --> 00:00:02,105 That's insane. 2 00:00:02,125 --> 00:00:04,345 NARRATOR: The Phoenix lights event of 1997 3 00:00:04,365 --> 00:00:08,245 is the largest mass UFO sighting in our nation's history. 4 00:00:08,265 --> 00:00:10,525 I saw six lights over the airport, 5 00:00:10,545 --> 00:00:13,265 in absolute uniform, in a 'V' shape. 6 00:00:13,285 --> 00:00:16,245 It's unidentified. It's flying and it's six objects. 7 00:00:16,265 --> 00:00:18,425 But it's not the first time this has happened. 8 00:00:18,445 --> 00:00:21,205 I see the lights on either side. 9 00:00:21,225 --> 00:00:24,525 The Government claims these UFOs were not extraterrestrial 10 00:00:24,545 --> 00:00:28,365 and have come up with countless dubious explanations for the lights. 11 00:00:28,385 --> 00:00:30,145 Swamp gas. 12 00:00:30,165 --> 00:00:32,385 It's insulting to anybody's intelligence. 13 00:00:32,405 --> 00:00:35,265 Why is the Government covering up these sightings? 14 00:00:35,285 --> 00:00:39,365 Do visitors from outer space pose a threat to our national security? 15 00:00:39,385 --> 00:00:43,245 There's the Government you see and there's a Shadow Government. 16 00:00:43,265 --> 00:00:44,325 Whoa! 17 00:00:46,505 --> 00:00:49,105 BEN VOICEOVER: I'm Ben Hansen, former Federal Agent. 18 00:00:49,125 --> 00:00:50,505 My grandfather worked 19 00:00:50,525 --> 00:00:53,325 at a highly classified Air Force base and convinced me 20 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:55,325 we are not alone in the universe. 21 00:00:55,345 --> 00:00:59,145 Then I had my own encounter that changed my life forever. 22 00:00:59,165 --> 00:01:01,265 Welcome to UFO country. 23 00:01:01,285 --> 00:01:03,545 Now, I've gained access to a top secret archive 24 00:01:03,565 --> 00:01:05,385 from Project Blue Book. 25 00:01:05,405 --> 00:01:06,425 This planet has been 26 00:01:06,445 --> 00:01:09,545 under surveillance for centuries. 27 00:01:10,585 --> 00:01:14,145 Containing reports of over 10,000 UFO sightings 28 00:01:14,165 --> 00:01:16,225 investigated by the US Government. 29 00:01:16,245 --> 00:01:18,465 We could very well be standing on the exact place 30 00:01:18,485 --> 00:01:20,505 where a UFO crashed. 31 00:01:20,525 --> 00:01:24,245 My mission is to uncover the truth. 32 00:01:39,565 --> 00:01:43,365 I'm in Phoenix, Arizona on my way to meet a woman 33 00:01:43,385 --> 00:01:45,225 who recently took some video 34 00:01:45,245 --> 00:01:48,345 of some extraordinary UFO lights in the skies. 35 00:01:49,385 --> 00:01:51,385 This sighting happened in 2019 but there's been 36 00:01:51,405 --> 00:01:55,145 strange activity here for over 60 years 37 00:01:55,165 --> 00:01:58,325 and eye witnesses are convinced these lights are not of this world. 38 00:02:00,485 --> 00:02:01,505 Dr Lynne. 39 00:02:01,525 --> 00:02:02,565 So good to see you. 40 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:05,405 I hear that you had a really impressive sighting. 41 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:07,245 I was right in this area. 42 00:02:09,125 --> 00:02:10,405 I was home. 43 00:02:10,425 --> 00:02:14,245 This is before 7:00 and it was dark 44 00:02:14,265 --> 00:02:16,185 and I'm sitting in front of the TV. 45 00:02:17,225 --> 00:02:19,245 The lights started to flicker... 46 00:02:21,425 --> 00:02:23,285 and then those lights went out. 47 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:26,205 Then the TV went off. 48 00:02:33,525 --> 00:02:37,105 I saw huge balls of amber light. 49 00:02:39,265 --> 00:02:41,125 Like nothing you've ever seen before. 50 00:02:42,285 --> 00:02:46,505 So, I grabbed my camera and I started photographing them. 51 00:02:46,525 --> 00:02:48,465 Can I see the, the photos that you took? 52 00:02:48,485 --> 00:02:49,545 Absolutely. 53 00:02:49,565 --> 00:02:53,305 First one and then another popped up so, there were four altogether. 54 00:02:53,325 --> 00:02:54,485 Yeah, I see there's four. 55 00:02:54,505 --> 00:02:57,545 The lights all appeared in a line, a formation. 56 00:02:57,565 --> 00:03:01,285 As if they were connected to a singular craft. 57 00:03:01,305 --> 00:03:02,385 They were so unusual. 58 00:03:02,405 --> 00:03:03,545 Technology wise 59 00:03:03,565 --> 00:03:07,245 it seemed that there was an intelligence behind them 60 00:03:07,265 --> 00:03:10,585 and I noticed an eerie silence, as if time had stopped. 61 00:03:12,565 --> 00:03:14,485 It felt like something was watching me. 62 00:03:19,345 --> 00:03:21,265 Wow! 63 00:03:21,285 --> 00:03:22,405 It was extraordinary. 64 00:03:22,425 --> 00:03:26,285 Where you seeing any lights like from aircraft in the area? 65 00:03:27,305 --> 00:03:29,305 There were planes coming into the airports, 66 00:03:29,325 --> 00:03:32,145 Sky Harbour International Airport, at the same time. 67 00:03:32,165 --> 00:03:34,585 So, we compare this, which we know is a plane, 68 00:03:35,105 --> 00:03:37,125 look how bright these are. 69 00:03:37,145 --> 00:03:39,225 Quite different from any plane. 70 00:03:39,245 --> 00:03:41,225 So, you have video of this as well? 71 00:03:41,245 --> 00:03:43,105 I do! This is the video. 72 00:03:44,345 --> 00:03:46,105 Oh, wow! 73 00:03:47,265 --> 00:03:49,325 The video also shows the bright lights 74 00:03:49,345 --> 00:03:51,585 in formation, hovering in place. 75 00:03:52,105 --> 00:03:54,465 They are too close to each other be helicopters 76 00:03:54,485 --> 00:03:57,325 and too bright to be drones. 77 00:03:57,345 --> 00:03:59,425 You got something really impressive 78 00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:01,145 like just hovering out there. 79 00:04:01,165 --> 00:04:02,305 Exactly. 80 00:04:02,325 --> 00:04:03,425 But there's more. 81 00:04:03,445 --> 00:04:05,525 This is not the first time Dr Kitei 82 00:04:05,545 --> 00:04:08,465 has seen UFO's in the Arizona skies. 83 00:04:08,485 --> 00:04:10,525 Almost 25 years ago 84 00:04:10,545 --> 00:04:13,265 Dr Kitei filmed what has become known 85 00:04:13,285 --> 00:04:14,525 as the Phoenix Lights. 86 00:04:14,545 --> 00:04:19,245 I've been seeing these phenomena since March 13, 1997. 87 00:04:19,265 --> 00:04:22,125 Among UFOlogists the Phoenix Lights 88 00:04:22,145 --> 00:04:26,145 have become one of the most iconic UFO videos ever filmed. 89 00:04:26,165 --> 00:04:28,425 20,000 citizens reported 90 00:04:28,445 --> 00:04:32,385 seeing the strange object pictured in Dr Kitei's video. 91 00:04:32,405 --> 00:04:34,465 They described it as a mile wide 92 00:04:34,485 --> 00:04:38,225 triangle shaped craft with six distinct lights. 93 00:04:38,245 --> 00:04:41,245 It crossed roughly 300 miles of airspace 94 00:04:41,265 --> 00:04:44,185 with reports coming in from Phoenix to Tucson... 95 00:04:46,225 --> 00:04:50,145 and one of the witnesses turned out to be a famous actor. 96 00:04:50,165 --> 00:04:52,505 Well, one of the private pilots happened to be Kurt Russel. 97 00:04:52,525 --> 00:04:55,345 I saw six lights over the airport, 98 00:04:55,365 --> 00:04:57,125 in absolute uniform, 99 00:04:57,145 --> 00:04:59,205 in a 'V' shape and I reported it. 100 00:04:59,225 --> 00:05:00,465 And they said, "We're not panning anything, 101 00:05:00,485 --> 00:05:01,485 "we're not showing anything." 102 00:05:01,505 --> 00:05:03,445 I said, "Well, OK. 103 00:05:03,465 --> 00:05:05,425 "I'm gonna declare it's unidentified. 104 00:05:05,445 --> 00:05:07,425 "It's flying and it's six objects." 105 00:05:07,445 --> 00:05:09,485 That was the most viewed UFO event, 106 00:05:09,505 --> 00:05:11,545 over 20,000 people saw that. 107 00:05:11,565 --> 00:05:14,485 Thousands of people, what's going on? 108 00:05:14,505 --> 00:05:16,365 It could possibly be, 109 00:05:16,385 --> 00:05:20,145 I think the greatest mass sighting in, 110 00:05:20,165 --> 00:05:22,525 in our country's history and you had a front row seat. 111 00:05:22,545 --> 00:05:24,125 I did. 112 00:05:24,145 --> 00:05:26,245 With so many witnesses to this event, 113 00:05:26,265 --> 00:05:28,445 the Government was forced to investigate. 114 00:05:28,465 --> 00:05:30,245 Bringing about what is believed 115 00:05:30,265 --> 00:05:33,485 to be one of the greatest UFO cover-ups in history. 116 00:05:33,505 --> 00:05:35,125 They claim the lights 117 00:05:35,145 --> 00:05:37,325 were not attached to an alien aircraft 118 00:05:37,345 --> 00:05:42,145 but were simply flares set off during a military exercise. 119 00:05:42,165 --> 00:05:44,125 When they had to come out with something, 120 00:05:44,145 --> 00:05:45,545 they came out with the flare theory. 121 00:05:45,565 --> 00:05:49,205 Flares drift haphazardly with the wind, 122 00:05:49,225 --> 00:05:50,405 have huge smoke trails. 123 00:05:50,425 --> 00:05:53,565 It, it was, it was bizarre. The next morning's headlines... 124 00:05:53,585 --> 00:05:56,205 That's really disappointing. ..Phoenix Lights are flares. 125 00:05:56,225 --> 00:05:58,265 It's like they bit it, hook, line, sinker and said, 126 00:05:58,285 --> 00:06:00,365 this is what the military said, this is what we're going with. 127 00:06:00,385 --> 00:06:01,385 They did. Exactly. 128 00:06:01,405 --> 00:06:04,345 Military flares leave behind prominent smoke trails 129 00:06:04,365 --> 00:06:07,425 as they fall, which rules them out as a suspect. 130 00:06:07,445 --> 00:06:10,205 But others saw the static hovering lights. 131 00:06:11,525 --> 00:06:14,365 Dr Kitei has assembled a group of witnesses 132 00:06:14,385 --> 00:06:17,365 to the 1997 Phoenix Lights event. 133 00:06:17,385 --> 00:06:22,125 Fearing retaliation a few have asked to remain anonymous. 134 00:06:22,145 --> 00:06:23,185 Wow. 135 00:06:25,125 --> 00:06:27,105 Thank you guys for coming here. 136 00:06:27,125 --> 00:06:30,145 I understand you're all witnesses to the Phoenix Lights. 137 00:06:30,165 --> 00:06:32,125 What did you feel like when they come out 138 00:06:32,145 --> 00:06:36,265 with this official explanation in the newspapers, flares? 139 00:07:01,405 --> 00:07:02,505 It's interesting you say that. 140 00:07:02,525 --> 00:07:04,385 My father fought in the high core area 141 00:07:04,405 --> 00:07:06,345 in Vietnam in '68 and '69. 142 00:07:06,365 --> 00:07:07,525 He concurred the same thing. 143 00:07:07,545 --> 00:07:10,185 He said aviation flares, they drop slowly. 144 00:07:18,245 --> 00:07:21,245 Well, do you think we could all agree then on what it was not? 145 00:07:21,265 --> 00:07:23,225 These were not flares, right? 146 00:07:23,245 --> 00:07:24,525 They were not lanterns either. 147 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:27,445 They were not lanterns, they were not conventional craft. 148 00:07:27,465 --> 00:07:29,385 They were silent. 149 00:07:29,405 --> 00:07:32,545 So, if it wasn't that, the alternative is... 150 00:07:35,345 --> 00:07:37,245 it's from somewhere else. 151 00:07:37,265 --> 00:07:39,105 That's right. 152 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,485 Two of the eyewitnesses claim 153 00:07:40,505 --> 00:07:44,245 they had close encounters with the 1997 UFO. 154 00:08:09,585 --> 00:08:10,585 Right. 155 00:08:11,105 --> 00:08:12,305 I saw the same thing. 156 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:13,545 Where did you witness it? Where were you? 157 00:08:13,565 --> 00:08:16,225 I was on the I60 158 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:17,445 was driving home from work... 159 00:08:20,525 --> 00:08:26,165 and I saw this huge boomerang-shaped craft flying towards me. 160 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:33,185 I slammed on the brakes... 161 00:08:40,165 --> 00:08:43,565 I jumped out of my truck as it came up over me. 162 00:08:45,305 --> 00:08:47,405 It was about 30 feet over my head 163 00:08:47,425 --> 00:08:50,245 and I remember thinking, "I could hit this with a rock." 164 00:08:50,265 --> 00:08:52,105 30 feet? 165 00:08:52,125 --> 00:08:54,285 David was paralysed in fear 166 00:08:54,305 --> 00:08:58,265 as the large imposing UFO flew right above his head. 167 00:09:00,125 --> 00:09:02,245 It was gun-metal grey 168 00:09:02,265 --> 00:09:04,305 and there was like thousands and thousands 169 00:09:04,325 --> 00:09:06,285 of thumb prints in it. 170 00:09:06,305 --> 00:09:08,145 It just meandered. 171 00:09:08,165 --> 00:09:12,245 This huge craft that took up 70% of the horizon. 172 00:09:12,265 --> 00:09:15,125 So, from you being 30 feet under how wide would it be? 173 00:09:15,145 --> 00:09:17,205 My guess was a mile to a mile and a half. 174 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:19,325 Whoa! 175 00:09:19,345 --> 00:09:20,585 From tip to toe. 176 00:09:21,105 --> 00:09:22,265 But there was no-one else around, 177 00:09:22,285 --> 00:09:25,285 I looked 'cause I wanted to have some validation for what I saw. 178 00:09:25,305 --> 00:09:29,245 But the nearest light I could easily see right into. 179 00:09:31,145 --> 00:09:35,205 And out of that port what look like lava 180 00:09:35,225 --> 00:09:39,205 and as it poured down about four to six feet 181 00:09:39,225 --> 00:09:43,445 it stopped and then it went right back up in. 182 00:09:43,465 --> 00:09:45,325 And then more would come down. 183 00:09:45,345 --> 00:09:47,505 And I remember thinking I'm gonna get burned 184 00:09:47,525 --> 00:09:51,285 because I was that close to it but there was no heat. 185 00:09:51,305 --> 00:09:52,445 And there was no sound. 186 00:09:54,445 --> 00:09:57,245 And I stood there and as it passed by 187 00:09:57,265 --> 00:09:59,325 and I watched it until it went out of sight. 188 00:09:59,345 --> 00:10:00,425 I just started crying. 189 00:10:04,565 --> 00:10:08,245 It was overwhelming and that has stuck with me 190 00:10:08,265 --> 00:10:10,165 from that day, from that moment. 191 00:10:10,185 --> 00:10:11,225 Wow. 192 00:10:14,345 --> 00:10:18,485 Could the lights have been visitors from another world and if so, 193 00:10:18,505 --> 00:10:20,325 what do they want with us? 194 00:10:21,345 --> 00:10:24,305 To find out about any other mass UFO sightings 195 00:10:24,325 --> 00:10:26,245 in American history, 196 00:10:26,265 --> 00:10:27,485 Ben is headed to the Centre 197 00:10:27,505 --> 00:10:29,205 for UFO Studies 198 00:10:29,225 --> 00:10:30,405 to talk with historian. 199 00:10:30,425 --> 00:10:32,305 Mark O'Connell. 200 00:10:32,325 --> 00:10:33,385 So, Ben. 201 00:10:33,405 --> 00:10:37,265 I have talked to so many witnesses who saw the Phoenix Lights. 202 00:10:37,285 --> 00:10:38,385 You know, it's 1997, 203 00:10:38,405 --> 00:10:42,125 there were thousands of people who saw the triangle. 204 00:10:42,145 --> 00:10:43,505 I talked to people who saw this thing 205 00:10:43,525 --> 00:10:46,345 as close as 30 feet above their head. 206 00:10:46,365 --> 00:10:50,205 And as it passed by I watched it till it went out of sight. 207 00:10:50,225 --> 00:10:51,405 I just started crying. 208 00:10:51,425 --> 00:10:52,445 Oh. 209 00:10:52,465 --> 00:10:54,125 None of it made sense. 210 00:10:54,145 --> 00:10:57,265 All I know for certain is I believe 211 00:10:57,285 --> 00:11:00,165 that there was the dis-information campaign. 212 00:11:00,185 --> 00:11:01,445 I'm baffled and I, I wanna know 213 00:11:01,465 --> 00:11:04,365 does this type of thing have precedence? 214 00:11:04,385 --> 00:11:06,245 Has there been other cases 215 00:11:06,265 --> 00:11:08,325 where there's been a mass UFO sighting 216 00:11:08,345 --> 00:11:12,165 and the Government is so adeptly able to come in 217 00:11:12,185 --> 00:11:14,285 and just take over and silence them? 218 00:11:14,305 --> 00:11:16,145 Let me show you a file that I've been looking at. 219 00:11:16,165 --> 00:11:17,185 Alright. 220 00:11:17,205 --> 00:11:21,185 This is the official Michigan '66 Flap. 221 00:11:22,405 --> 00:11:25,205 Swamp gas flap. 222 00:11:25,225 --> 00:11:28,285 Dr J Allen Hynek was the lead scientific advisor 223 00:11:28,305 --> 00:11:31,525 to Project Blue Book, a government funded investigation 224 00:11:31,545 --> 00:11:36,425 of the nation's UFO sightings from 1952 to 1969. 225 00:11:36,445 --> 00:11:39,425 According to Mark, in 1966 226 00:11:39,445 --> 00:11:42,505 the Air Force sent Dr Hynek to Dexter, Michigan. 227 00:11:42,525 --> 00:11:45,225 A small town outside of Ann Arbour. 228 00:11:45,245 --> 00:11:49,165 There he investigated reports of a UFO seen by a farmer, 229 00:11:49,185 --> 00:11:51,345 Frank Manor and his son, Ron. 230 00:11:51,365 --> 00:11:54,585 There are a lot parallels between the Phoenix Lights 231 00:11:55,105 --> 00:11:59,465 and the infamous Dexter, Michigan "swamp gas" sightings. 232 00:11:59,485 --> 00:12:01,125 Dozens of witnesses. 233 00:12:01,145 --> 00:12:05,405 The Government getting involved in strange and misleading ways. 234 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:07,105 So, here's a recording of an interview 235 00:12:07,125 --> 00:12:08,585 with Frank Manor who was one of the witnesses. 236 00:12:17,205 --> 00:12:18,385 We were watching television, 237 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:21,125 we have six dogs here 238 00:12:21,145 --> 00:12:22,525 and they started raising a fuss. 239 00:12:24,445 --> 00:12:26,525 I went outside on the porch, 240 00:12:26,545 --> 00:12:28,245 I looked to the north 241 00:12:28,265 --> 00:12:29,445 and it looked like 242 00:12:29,465 --> 00:12:32,185 a falling star coming down. 243 00:12:32,205 --> 00:12:34,485 I looked at it and I thought I was seeing things 244 00:12:34,505 --> 00:12:36,325 and a, a blue and a white light 245 00:12:36,345 --> 00:12:37,385 come on it. 246 00:12:41,305 --> 00:12:43,325 Frank and Ron weren't the only ones 247 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:45,505 to witness the lights hovering above the swamp 248 00:12:45,525 --> 00:12:47,265 near his farm in Dexter. 249 00:12:47,285 --> 00:12:49,425 In the neighbouring town of Hillsdale, 250 00:12:49,445 --> 00:12:52,525 college students also reported seeing a flying saucer 251 00:12:52,545 --> 00:12:54,285 with three lights in a row, 252 00:12:54,305 --> 00:12:57,305 much like the Phoenix Lights of 1997. 253 00:12:57,325 --> 00:12:58,385 When I saw it 254 00:12:58,405 --> 00:13:00,105 I just wanted to stay there 255 00:13:00,125 --> 00:13:01,445 and keep my eyes glued to it, 256 00:13:01,465 --> 00:13:02,505 I couldn't leave. 257 00:13:20,205 --> 00:13:22,345 Well, when I was looking out the window 258 00:13:22,365 --> 00:13:25,445 I saw what looked to be shaped like a pie. 259 00:13:25,465 --> 00:13:28,085 I could see the lights on the either side 260 00:13:28,105 --> 00:13:30,285 and in the rim, like it was sorted of packing a glow 261 00:13:30,305 --> 00:13:31,425 over the whole thing. 262 00:13:31,445 --> 00:13:34,445 It becomes a huge, huge national headline 263 00:13:34,465 --> 00:13:36,265 much like the Phoenix Lights did, right? 264 00:13:36,285 --> 00:13:37,285 Yeah, yeah. 265 00:13:37,305 --> 00:13:39,165 I mean, Air Force hates it 266 00:13:39,185 --> 00:13:41,125 when a UFO story becomes too big. 267 00:13:41,145 --> 00:13:42,145 Yeah. 268 00:13:42,165 --> 00:13:43,385 So, what does the Air Force do? 269 00:13:43,405 --> 00:13:47,465 They send Hynek to Michigan, he interviews the Mannor family. 270 00:13:47,485 --> 00:13:50,525 But get this, he's getting pressure from his boss... 271 00:13:50,545 --> 00:13:53,265 Really? ..to make this case go away quickly. 272 00:13:53,285 --> 00:13:55,465 Everybody wants Hynek to say 273 00:13:55,485 --> 00:13:57,165 "spaceships, little green men" 274 00:13:57,185 --> 00:13:59,265 and instead he says, 275 00:13:59,285 --> 00:14:01,305 "What these witnesses describe 276 00:14:01,325 --> 00:14:03,505 "could've been swamp gas." 277 00:14:03,525 --> 00:14:06,405 The official explanation swamp gas, 278 00:14:06,425 --> 00:14:09,405 flares caused by the burning of gases bubbling up 279 00:14:09,425 --> 00:14:10,565 from the area swamp. 280 00:14:12,245 --> 00:14:15,405 Mr Mannor, the farmer, the lights they saw 281 00:14:15,425 --> 00:14:20,325 were localised to the swamp area and it's when this green fog comes 282 00:14:20,345 --> 00:14:22,085 and the gases can be... 283 00:14:22,105 --> 00:14:24,245 can bubble up from below and get released. 284 00:14:24,265 --> 00:14:29,245 The gases can ignite spontaneously and they flicker all over the place. 285 00:14:29,265 --> 00:14:31,385 They'll flicker at one place and then go out 286 00:14:31,405 --> 00:14:34,085 and suddenly appear some place else 287 00:14:34,105 --> 00:14:36,525 which gives the illusion of motion. 288 00:14:36,545 --> 00:14:40,265 Everybody just went crazy when he said "swamp gas". 289 00:14:40,285 --> 00:14:41,565 But none of it really adds up. 290 00:14:42,085 --> 00:14:44,165 The country's leading UFO expert 291 00:14:44,185 --> 00:14:47,265 just said everybody in Michigan is an idiot 292 00:14:47,285 --> 00:14:50,285 who can't tell swamp gas from a flying saucer. 293 00:14:50,305 --> 00:14:52,445 So, that's kind of along the lines in Phoenix. 294 00:14:52,465 --> 00:14:53,465 Right. 295 00:14:53,485 --> 00:14:57,425 It was really the defining moment in Dr Hynek's career. 296 00:14:57,445 --> 00:15:00,285 So, the Government's gonna say it was swamp gas. 297 00:15:00,305 --> 00:15:02,305 Can we prove that it wasn't? 298 00:15:02,325 --> 00:15:04,465 There's a lot of, of witness testimony. 299 00:15:04,485 --> 00:15:06,165 I, I'd actually like to see 300 00:15:06,185 --> 00:15:08,225 if any of these people are still alive. 301 00:15:08,245 --> 00:15:10,465 I think the more you dig, the more you'll find evidence 302 00:15:10,485 --> 00:15:14,185 that the Air Force, of course during the Blue Book days, 303 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:15,425 but even beyond that, 304 00:15:15,445 --> 00:15:17,365 that the Air Force has really been up to no good. 305 00:15:17,385 --> 00:15:19,125 It's a little bit disturbing. 306 00:15:28,245 --> 00:15:31,405 I'm in Dexter, Michigan on my way to see Sheriff Harvey. 307 00:15:31,425 --> 00:15:35,525 Now, Sheriff Harvey has long since retired but in 1966 308 00:15:35,545 --> 00:15:37,365 he was the Sheriff in charge 309 00:15:37,385 --> 00:15:38,565 when Dr Hynek was sent 310 00:15:39,085 --> 00:15:40,465 to investigate the Dexter UFO. 311 00:15:44,105 --> 00:15:46,205 Sheriff Harvey, pleasure to meet you. 312 00:15:46,225 --> 00:15:49,365 I'm so excited to talk to you about this case 313 00:15:49,385 --> 00:15:53,365 because it's been one of those iconic cases 314 00:15:53,385 --> 00:15:56,565 I read about as a kid and I hope that you can kinda 315 00:15:57,085 --> 00:15:59,105 fill in some blanks for me and get to the bottom on this. 316 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:00,305 I will do my utmost. 317 00:16:00,325 --> 00:16:02,285 I have some of the original documents, 318 00:16:02,305 --> 00:16:04,305 it might help jog your memory. 319 00:16:04,325 --> 00:16:06,325 First of all if I could take you back now 320 00:16:06,345 --> 00:16:08,345 to 1966. 321 00:16:08,365 --> 00:16:10,105 I was a young Sheriff, 322 00:16:10,125 --> 00:16:11,365 the second youngest sheriff 323 00:16:11,385 --> 00:16:13,345 in the State of Michigan. 324 00:16:13,365 --> 00:16:18,225 That time there was one sighting after another in Dexter. 325 00:16:18,245 --> 00:16:19,525 I understand you spent a lot of time 326 00:16:19,545 --> 00:16:22,345 with Dr Hynek when he came into town. 327 00:16:22,365 --> 00:16:25,525 I'd never heard of Professor Hynek. Didn't know who he was. 328 00:16:25,545 --> 00:16:26,545 Yeah. 329 00:16:26,565 --> 00:16:29,565 But I knew that you know he had to be somebody important. 330 00:16:30,085 --> 00:16:33,205 My curiosity got the best of me and I said, 331 00:16:33,225 --> 00:16:34,565 "Dr Hynek, what have we got?" 332 00:16:35,085 --> 00:16:37,525 And I remember him saying to me, "I don't know." 333 00:16:41,165 --> 00:16:43,225 I found that very strange, you know. 334 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:49,285 When we got back to my office, he said, "I gotta call Washington." 335 00:16:51,165 --> 00:16:54,445 It stuck with me so much, "I, I gotta call Washington." 336 00:16:54,465 --> 00:16:55,505 OK. 337 00:16:58,525 --> 00:17:00,305 He was in there for quite a while... 338 00:17:03,545 --> 00:17:05,245 then he came out. 339 00:17:05,265 --> 00:17:08,105 "Professor, what have we got? What have we got?" 340 00:17:08,125 --> 00:17:09,365 He said, "It's swamp gas." 341 00:17:12,105 --> 00:17:14,345 I literally died, swamp gas. 342 00:17:14,365 --> 00:17:16,485 So, he was pretty definitive about this.... 343 00:17:16,505 --> 00:17:18,285 Oh, boy, yes! ..he was just... 344 00:17:18,305 --> 00:17:21,505 You know, it didn't take an idiot to figure it out. 345 00:17:21,525 --> 00:17:24,525 I get a call from Washington and Washington is saying, 346 00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:26,525 "You'd better say it's swamp gas. 347 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:29,465 "Get your butt out of there and come on back to Washington." 348 00:17:29,485 --> 00:17:31,205 You think about that for a minute. 349 00:17:31,225 --> 00:17:36,165 He had no idea but then when he makes a call to Washington, 350 00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:39,125 all of a sudden he, he comes up 351 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:41,285 with "It's swamp gas." 352 00:17:41,305 --> 00:17:42,425 How frustrating. Wow. 353 00:17:42,445 --> 00:17:45,085 Yes. I was disgusted. 354 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:46,505 What is swamp gas? 355 00:17:46,525 --> 00:17:48,405 I've never seen it. It's like... 356 00:17:48,425 --> 00:17:50,565 Yeah, insulting to anybody's intelligence. 357 00:17:51,085 --> 00:17:53,325 I think they could've come up with something better than that. 358 00:17:58,085 --> 00:17:59,085 But there's more. 359 00:17:59,105 --> 00:18:02,065 Sheriff Harvey has never before revealed information. 360 00:18:02,085 --> 00:18:03,285 Something that doesn't appear 361 00:18:03,305 --> 00:18:07,065 in any of Dr Hynek's Project Blue Book reports. 362 00:18:07,085 --> 00:18:08,505 Hours before the news conference 363 00:18:08,525 --> 00:18:11,245 and Hynek's call to Washington, 364 00:18:11,265 --> 00:18:16,105 Sheriff Harvey and Dr Hynek visited the swamp on Frank Mannor's farm 365 00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:17,325 and found something. 366 00:18:20,325 --> 00:18:24,505 We got to the Mannor farm. Dr Hynek got out the car... 367 00:18:42,465 --> 00:18:44,245 and in the back field... 368 00:18:46,405 --> 00:18:47,525 the grass was down... 369 00:18:49,525 --> 00:18:51,465 in a, like a circle. 370 00:18:51,485 --> 00:18:54,305 It was matted. Matted down. 371 00:18:54,325 --> 00:18:56,445 You know like something just laid on it. 372 00:18:58,385 --> 00:19:01,305 And Dr Hynek walked right up to it. 373 00:19:01,325 --> 00:19:03,305 It's not in any of the reports. 374 00:19:03,325 --> 00:19:05,065 I don't see any mention of it, 375 00:19:05,085 --> 00:19:07,385 so, is it possible that, 376 00:19:07,405 --> 00:19:10,185 that Hynek purposely left that out? 377 00:19:12,365 --> 00:19:15,285 He left out what you had seen with him, 378 00:19:15,305 --> 00:19:16,465 the depression. 379 00:19:18,185 --> 00:19:20,325 I know, that I seen it and so did Hynek. 380 00:19:20,345 --> 00:19:21,385 He went up to it. 381 00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:24,125 To Sheriff Harvey, 382 00:19:24,145 --> 00:19:28,145 the possibility that a UFO landed her is real. 383 00:19:28,165 --> 00:19:30,145 Sheriff Harvey, the college students, 384 00:19:30,165 --> 00:19:32,165 Frank Mannor and his son, Ron, 385 00:19:32,185 --> 00:19:35,205 all either saw the UFO or direct evidence 386 00:19:35,225 --> 00:19:38,185 of it's presence and Ron Mannor is still alive 387 00:19:38,205 --> 00:19:40,285 and willing to talk about it. 388 00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:42,425 I'm on my way to talk to Ron Mannor. 389 00:19:42,445 --> 00:19:45,185 Now, Ron and his dad Frank are the family 390 00:19:45,205 --> 00:19:48,165 that witnessed the object hovering over the swamp. 391 00:19:48,185 --> 00:19:50,485 Ron was 18 at the time. 392 00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:54,325 I don't think he's actually talked about it since 1966. 393 00:20:00,385 --> 00:20:01,525 You must be Ben, come in. 394 00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:04,365 Nice to meet you. Thank you so much. 395 00:20:04,385 --> 00:20:06,185 After all these years, 396 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:07,485 this is still 397 00:20:07,505 --> 00:20:10,085 one of the most iconic cases. 398 00:20:10,105 --> 00:20:12,085 You have so many witnesses, 399 00:20:12,105 --> 00:20:13,245 incredible event 400 00:20:13,265 --> 00:20:15,085 and the the Government steps in 401 00:20:15,105 --> 00:20:17,165 and says, "Yeah, that, that wasn't what it was. 402 00:20:17,185 --> 00:20:19,105 "It wasn't what you guys experienced." 403 00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:23,345 So, could you kinda just take me back to that evening. 404 00:20:23,365 --> 00:20:25,125 I was on the back porch... 405 00:20:29,165 --> 00:20:30,465 looking at the lights down in the swamp. 406 00:20:31,525 --> 00:20:34,445 So, I sat there and watched it for a while. 407 00:20:34,465 --> 00:20:35,465 I told my dad. 408 00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:37,545 "They shouldn't be there, but let's go see what it is." 409 00:20:39,545 --> 00:20:42,325 So, we walked down there 410 00:20:42,345 --> 00:20:46,525 and you could see lights, three lights, 411 00:20:46,545 --> 00:20:49,405 amber one, a red one and a blue one. 412 00:20:53,145 --> 00:20:55,105 Did they move independently? 413 00:20:55,125 --> 00:20:56,125 No. 414 00:20:56,145 --> 00:20:58,185 I would've thought if it was three different lights 415 00:20:58,205 --> 00:21:01,145 it would probably have moved some, some, something would've... 416 00:21:01,165 --> 00:21:02,185 Changed out of position? 417 00:21:02,205 --> 00:21:03,245 Yeah. You would've thought. 418 00:21:03,265 --> 00:21:05,485 So, it's possible that it was part of one structure? 419 00:21:05,505 --> 00:21:06,505 Yeah. 420 00:21:06,525 --> 00:21:08,225 Ron thinks it's possible the lights 421 00:21:08,245 --> 00:21:13,065 were attached to one UFO just like the Phoenix Lights 422 00:21:13,085 --> 00:21:15,285 And so, we couldn't get a real good look at it 423 00:21:15,305 --> 00:21:17,385 so, I suggested we get up on this big hill 424 00:21:17,405 --> 00:21:19,285 so, we could look down into the swamp. 425 00:21:21,285 --> 00:21:25,245 We got over there and when we looked back 426 00:21:25,265 --> 00:21:26,545 the lights were gone from there. 427 00:21:32,285 --> 00:21:35,545 And then they send out Dr Hynek. He spoke with your father. 428 00:21:36,065 --> 00:21:39,285 So, then Dr Hynek makes this press release 429 00:21:39,305 --> 00:21:41,325 and he says that it's swamp gas. 430 00:21:42,405 --> 00:21:45,425 What did your dad feel like when Hynek came out and said that? 431 00:21:45,445 --> 00:21:48,165 I think he felt a little betrayed, you know, 432 00:21:48,185 --> 00:21:50,405 they were just making him look bad. 433 00:21:50,425 --> 00:21:53,485 Well, I know it's a real phenomenon but do you think 434 00:21:53,505 --> 00:21:57,525 it's at all possible that what you and your father saw was swamp gas? 435 00:21:57,545 --> 00:21:59,225 Not possible. 436 00:21:59,245 --> 00:22:01,505 Not with three distinct different lights, no. 437 00:22:01,525 --> 00:22:03,405 Not a chance. Not a chance. 438 00:22:03,425 --> 00:22:05,085 No. 439 00:22:07,205 --> 00:22:09,265 With Hynek's burning swamp gas story 440 00:22:09,285 --> 00:22:12,185 looking unlikely, Ben comes up with an idea. 441 00:22:13,205 --> 00:22:15,465 With Ron's permission to access the property 442 00:22:15,485 --> 00:22:18,505 he heads to the swamp to conduct an experiment. 443 00:22:18,525 --> 00:22:21,345 Does methane gas rising from the swamp, 444 00:22:21,365 --> 00:22:24,065 burn and give off different colours? 445 00:22:24,085 --> 00:22:27,505 And if so, will the flames rise up high enough to be mistaken 446 00:22:27,525 --> 00:22:30,165 for bright lights on a flying object? 447 00:22:38,265 --> 00:22:39,445 This is really cool to be here. 448 00:22:39,465 --> 00:22:42,185 You can see it's a little bit frozen over. 449 00:22:42,205 --> 00:22:45,545 To think a UFO could've been here back in 1966. 450 00:22:48,545 --> 00:22:52,105 Joining him at the site is a pyrotechnics expert 451 00:22:52,125 --> 00:22:54,405 who will help Ben recreate the swamp gas 452 00:22:54,425 --> 00:22:57,485 that Dr Hynek alleged in his report. 453 00:22:57,505 --> 00:23:01,065 Can't say that I've ever tried to make swamp gas before. 454 00:23:02,105 --> 00:23:04,185 I've seen it once down in Louisiana. 455 00:23:04,205 --> 00:23:05,225 Oh, really? 456 00:23:05,245 --> 00:23:06,545 Yeah, and it was pure accidence. 457 00:23:07,065 --> 00:23:11,285 Alright, so, the water here it's a little bit iced over. 458 00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:13,305 I need to get far enough in to submerge this whole this. 459 00:23:13,325 --> 00:23:14,325 Whoa. 460 00:23:14,345 --> 00:23:17,325 OK, well, now, we know how deep it is 461 00:23:17,345 --> 00:23:19,405 and it stinks like siler. 462 00:23:19,425 --> 00:23:20,425 Yeah. 463 00:23:20,445 --> 00:23:22,225 Oh, yeah, we definitely will have some methane. 464 00:23:22,245 --> 00:23:23,545 You see the bubbles already flowing. Oh, yeah. 465 00:23:24,065 --> 00:23:25,185 Look at the bubbles that are flowing. 466 00:23:25,205 --> 00:23:26,205 Look at that. 467 00:23:26,225 --> 00:23:29,065 There it goes, there it goes. There see. 468 00:23:29,085 --> 00:23:32,265 I can feel the pressure building up against my thumb. 469 00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,065 Methane is flammable. 470 00:23:34,085 --> 00:23:35,285 Mm-hm. 471 00:23:35,305 --> 00:23:39,065 Any ideas how it spontaneously combusts? 472 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:42,125 It'd have to be like a arc from a amber. 473 00:23:42,145 --> 00:23:43,145 Could it be lightening? 474 00:23:43,165 --> 00:23:44,205 Lightening hitting a tree. 475 00:23:44,225 --> 00:23:47,485 Almost there. Here we go. 476 00:23:47,505 --> 00:23:49,545 Alright, I feel the pressure building up, 477 00:23:50,065 --> 00:23:52,225 thinking maybe we should just give it a try. 478 00:23:52,245 --> 00:23:54,485 Are you ready? So, you go ahead and light. 479 00:23:54,505 --> 00:23:57,505 Three, two, one. Take a step back. 480 00:23:57,525 --> 00:23:58,545 Whoa! 481 00:24:03,405 --> 00:24:07,445 In 1966, witnesses claim they saw a UFO 482 00:24:07,465 --> 00:24:11,245 with three bright lights flying over Dexter, Michigan. 483 00:24:11,265 --> 00:24:13,085 Dr J Allen Hynek, 484 00:24:13,105 --> 00:24:14,325 the UFO Investigator 485 00:24:14,345 --> 00:24:17,325 for the Air Force's top secret Project Blue Book, 486 00:24:17,345 --> 00:24:20,365 claimed the lights came from burning swamp gas fires. 487 00:24:21,445 --> 00:24:24,105 Ben Hansen is conducting an experiment 488 00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:26,485 to prove Dr Hynek wrong. 489 00:24:26,505 --> 00:24:28,385 So, you go ahead and light it. 490 00:24:28,405 --> 00:24:31,365 Three, two, one. 491 00:24:31,385 --> 00:24:33,045 Whoa! 492 00:24:33,065 --> 00:24:35,265 That would freak me out if I was in the swamp. 493 00:24:35,285 --> 00:24:36,305 Yeah. 494 00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:38,445 I would never report that as a UFO 495 00:24:38,465 --> 00:24:41,385 but I would be high-tailing it outta there that's for sure. 496 00:24:41,405 --> 00:24:44,105 This is exactly what would happen with swamp gas. 497 00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:48,045 And see that's the problem I have 498 00:24:48,065 --> 00:24:51,245 with the official explanation of this incident. 499 00:24:51,265 --> 00:24:53,265 A lot of witnesses are reporting this 500 00:24:53,285 --> 00:24:55,245 up to 500 feet above... 501 00:24:55,265 --> 00:24:56,505 Oh, no. ..or maybe a 1,000. 502 00:24:56,525 --> 00:24:58,425 That's ridiculous. 503 00:24:58,445 --> 00:25:00,505 The Mannors, the Hillsdale college students 504 00:25:00,525 --> 00:25:03,405 and numerous other Dexter residents all stated 505 00:25:03,425 --> 00:25:07,305 they saw three fixed distinct lights of different colours. 506 00:25:08,525 --> 00:25:09,525 There were three lights, 507 00:25:10,045 --> 00:25:11,385 a amber one, 508 00:25:11,405 --> 00:25:13,265 a red one and a blue one. 509 00:25:13,285 --> 00:25:15,305 In fact Sheriff Harvey's deputies 510 00:25:15,325 --> 00:25:18,365 claim to have chased the craft down a country road. 511 00:25:18,385 --> 00:25:21,065 Well, it moved very rapidly 512 00:25:21,085 --> 00:25:22,465 in the direction it wanted to go. 513 00:25:22,485 --> 00:25:25,525 None of their descriptions comes close to the flames 514 00:25:26,045 --> 00:25:27,365 Ben has created in this swamp. 515 00:25:28,405 --> 00:25:30,265 This is really intense. 516 00:25:30,285 --> 00:25:34,325 So, we've, we've reached the max capacity of, of this effect 517 00:25:34,345 --> 00:25:38,185 and yet we're still so far beneath 518 00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:41,265 what the witnesses were saying as far as height, 519 00:25:41,285 --> 00:25:42,425 as far as different colours. 520 00:25:42,445 --> 00:25:43,445 Oh, yeah. 521 00:25:43,465 --> 00:25:44,485 What we've just done 522 00:25:44,505 --> 00:25:47,385 is debunk the idea that this could be swamp gas. 523 00:25:47,405 --> 00:25:51,365 Nature could not have created what these witnesses saw. 524 00:25:51,385 --> 00:25:56,165 I'm firmly convinced that is not what took place in 1966. 525 00:26:01,285 --> 00:26:05,445 So, I have a Geiger counter for a couple of reasons. 526 00:26:07,225 --> 00:26:11,165 This is the, the location where the UFO incident took place 527 00:26:11,185 --> 00:26:14,385 and any time that we have 528 00:26:14,405 --> 00:26:18,185 the actual location pinned down I like to do just a baseline sweep, 529 00:26:18,205 --> 00:26:22,185 see if there's anything unusual about this geography 530 00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:24,425 that might attract whoever they are to come here 531 00:26:24,445 --> 00:26:26,305 or if there's anything residual left. 532 00:26:26,325 --> 00:26:28,185 It's been over 50 years. 533 00:26:28,205 --> 00:26:31,165 But the other reason is because a swamp 534 00:26:31,185 --> 00:26:35,505 is basically decomposing organic material. 535 00:26:35,525 --> 00:26:40,265 If there's any truth to the idea that this was swamp gas, 536 00:26:40,285 --> 00:26:43,245 another side effect of that we could say 537 00:26:43,265 --> 00:26:45,325 would be that the decomposing material 538 00:26:45,345 --> 00:26:47,505 might give off radioactivity. 539 00:26:49,185 --> 00:26:51,065 Actually get down into the water here 540 00:26:51,085 --> 00:26:53,505 where the, the most decomposition is happening. 541 00:26:55,165 --> 00:26:57,385 The needle's not really fluctuating at all. 542 00:26:59,225 --> 00:27:01,505 You can smell the decomposition here. 543 00:27:01,525 --> 00:27:04,345 This is really nasty stuff. 544 00:27:04,365 --> 00:27:05,425 Alright. 545 00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:07,085 I am getting a little bit. 546 00:27:07,105 --> 00:27:09,145 There's a tiny bit of background radiation, 547 00:27:09,165 --> 00:27:10,265 very small. 548 00:27:10,285 --> 00:27:13,065 To be honest though I generally get more radiation 549 00:27:13,085 --> 00:27:17,105 coming from just going into a forest than I am seeing here. 550 00:27:18,305 --> 00:27:21,445 All of this material is decomposing underneath me here. 551 00:27:23,465 --> 00:27:27,285 I'm absolutely getting nothing. Which is unusual. 552 00:27:27,305 --> 00:27:28,385 It's completely opposite. 553 00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:31,405 I would expect there to be a little bit. 554 00:27:33,045 --> 00:27:37,065 Now, that doesn't mean that there's no radioactivity here 555 00:27:37,085 --> 00:27:39,345 but it is a little strange. 556 00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:45,265 Something right here, it's just so minute though. 557 00:27:45,285 --> 00:27:47,405 My conclusion of the investigation 558 00:27:47,425 --> 00:27:51,325 of the site of the Dexter incident is that number one, 559 00:27:51,345 --> 00:27:54,205 there's nothing I'm able to find that's quite unusual 560 00:27:54,225 --> 00:27:56,205 about this location now. 561 00:27:56,225 --> 00:27:59,345 I've tested radiation, it seems to be you know baseline. 562 00:28:00,365 --> 00:28:02,505 I, I tried to kick up some methane 563 00:28:02,525 --> 00:28:05,165 and we tried an experiment to try and light. 564 00:28:05,185 --> 00:28:07,305 Now, it doesn't mean there's not any here. 565 00:28:07,325 --> 00:28:09,225 In the end, I do not believe 566 00:28:09,245 --> 00:28:12,205 this is what those witnesses saw in 1966. 567 00:28:12,225 --> 00:28:13,425 This was not swamp gas. 568 00:28:15,165 --> 00:28:17,445 Ben feels confident this proves the Government 569 00:28:17,465 --> 00:28:22,245 covered up the existence of the Dexter UFO in 1966. 570 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:26,485 But what about the Phoenix Lights UFO of 1997? 571 00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:30,185 Can Ben prove the Government tried to cover that up as well 572 00:28:30,205 --> 00:28:32,445 and the lights were attached to a UFO 573 00:28:32,465 --> 00:28:37,085 and not caused by flares set off during a military exercise? 574 00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:44,505 One local Arizona politician claims to have valuable information. 575 00:28:44,525 --> 00:28:48,345 Frances Barwood was a councilwoman at the time of the incident. 576 00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:52,205 Hi, you must be Frances? 577 00:28:52,225 --> 00:28:53,245 I am. I'm Ben. 578 00:28:53,265 --> 00:28:54,485 Hi, Ben. Nice to meet you. Thank you. 579 00:28:54,505 --> 00:28:56,205 Thank you for agreeing... Come on in. 580 00:28:56,225 --> 00:28:58,065 ..to meet with me. 581 00:28:58,085 --> 00:29:02,045 So, I talked to Dr Kitei 582 00:29:02,065 --> 00:29:05,485 and I was in a room filled with people 583 00:29:05,505 --> 00:29:08,145 who have seen strange objects and lights 584 00:29:08,165 --> 00:29:12,085 just recently and then also back in 1997 when the event took place. 585 00:29:12,105 --> 00:29:13,105 Mm-hm. 586 00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:16,265 Can you tell me your journey through what happened 587 00:29:16,285 --> 00:29:19,185 in your exploration trying to find the truth? 588 00:29:19,205 --> 00:29:22,405 Well, I was approached by a reporter and he said 589 00:29:22,425 --> 00:29:24,325 he wanted to talk to me about this object 590 00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:26,065 that went over Phoenix. 591 00:29:26,085 --> 00:29:29,305 Can you find out if anybody's investigating? 592 00:29:29,325 --> 00:29:33,325 Well, his article appeared in Saturday's paper 593 00:29:33,345 --> 00:29:36,265 and then I get into the office on Monday 594 00:29:36,285 --> 00:29:39,085 and my voice mail was filled. 595 00:29:39,105 --> 00:29:40,105 Oh, wow. 596 00:29:40,125 --> 00:29:42,125 And it was like this was overwhelming, 597 00:29:42,145 --> 00:29:45,325 I got like over 700 people calling 598 00:29:45,345 --> 00:29:48,085 and I started calling them all back 599 00:29:48,105 --> 00:29:52,165 and what was amazing to me, they were all the same description. 600 00:29:54,365 --> 00:29:57,085 How many people that you know can describe 601 00:29:57,105 --> 00:29:58,385 the same thing unless it's... 602 00:29:58,405 --> 00:29:59,405 they actually saw it? 603 00:29:59,425 --> 00:30:00,425 Yeah. 604 00:30:00,445 --> 00:30:02,185 Each one of those people I talked to, 605 00:30:02,205 --> 00:30:04,205 it was with many others, 606 00:30:04,225 --> 00:30:07,145 when you add it all up it's thousands. 607 00:30:07,165 --> 00:30:10,105 And so I asked for an investigation. 608 00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:11,185 OK. 609 00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:14,285 Councilwoman Barwood took the formal steps to initiate 610 00:30:14,305 --> 00:30:18,225 a Government-backed investigation into the Phoenix Lights. 611 00:30:18,245 --> 00:30:19,465 But she was stonewalled 612 00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:21,085 by the State's Governor 613 00:30:21,105 --> 00:30:23,325 at the time, Fife Symington. 614 00:30:23,345 --> 00:30:26,525 I got this memo and it said, "this is a non-issue". 615 00:30:27,045 --> 00:30:28,265 They didn't wanna touch it. 616 00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:29,305 That's so odd. 617 00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:31,185 I don't know why they would do that. 618 00:30:31,205 --> 00:30:34,285 After hitting a dead end with the local politicians, 619 00:30:34,305 --> 00:30:37,525 Frances appealed to the public to apply pressure to the Government. 620 00:30:39,065 --> 00:30:41,465 I told everybody to call the Governor's office... 621 00:30:41,485 --> 00:30:42,485 OK. 622 00:30:42,505 --> 00:30:44,285 ..because you know he's the Head of State, 623 00:30:44,305 --> 00:30:46,225 he could maybe help. 624 00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:48,445 The flood of calls couldn't be ignored 625 00:30:48,465 --> 00:30:51,105 and the Governor had to make an announcement 626 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,185 at an emergency press conference. 627 00:30:53,205 --> 00:30:55,105 In response I suggested that 628 00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:56,185 it was time to end months 629 00:30:56,205 --> 00:30:57,285 of speculation on the question. 630 00:30:57,305 --> 00:30:59,405 And he said and we caught one of the perpetrators. 631 00:30:59,425 --> 00:31:01,425 Escort the accused into the room 632 00:31:01,445 --> 00:31:04,125 so, that we may all look upon the guilty party. 633 00:31:06,085 --> 00:31:08,385 And this just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious. 634 00:31:09,425 --> 00:31:11,045 It's shocking to me. 635 00:31:11,065 --> 00:31:13,105 It's like they're making a joke of this. 636 00:31:13,125 --> 00:31:15,185 I imagine this was not funny at all 637 00:31:15,205 --> 00:31:17,345 to the people who actually witnessed, 638 00:31:17,365 --> 00:31:20,485 I've talked to people who were within 30 feet of it 639 00:31:20,505 --> 00:31:23,225 and could see the details of the craft. 640 00:31:23,245 --> 00:31:24,485 That is not funny. 641 00:31:24,505 --> 00:31:29,225 No, it's not and, and it was not like him at all. 642 00:31:29,245 --> 00:31:31,225 Fife has no sense of humour. 643 00:31:31,245 --> 00:31:34,365 There is no way that he put that all together. 644 00:31:34,385 --> 00:31:38,505 I think he did it because they put pressure on him. 645 00:31:43,045 --> 00:31:46,325 Like Dr Hynek in 1966 it seems Governor Symington 646 00:31:46,345 --> 00:31:49,265 was pressed to deny the existence of UFOs. 647 00:31:50,285 --> 00:31:52,405 Councilwoman Barwood was more convinced 648 00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:56,185 of the cover-up than ever and days later she was contacted 649 00:31:56,205 --> 00:32:00,325 by a local veteran who claimed to possess irrefutable evidence. 650 00:32:00,345 --> 00:32:04,285 I got a phone call from a man named Richard Curtis 651 00:32:04,305 --> 00:32:07,025 and he said he got this all on video. 652 00:32:08,505 --> 00:32:11,405 Unlike the video shot by Dr Lynne Kitei 653 00:32:11,425 --> 00:32:14,345 which shows a group of lights with no visible craft. 654 00:32:15,385 --> 00:32:18,445 Richard Curtis claimed he recorded a details video 655 00:32:18,465 --> 00:32:22,285 that showed the lights were part of one space craft. 656 00:32:22,305 --> 00:32:25,225 Richard promised to send a copy of his video evidence 657 00:32:25,245 --> 00:32:28,165 to Frances' office but when he called back 658 00:32:28,185 --> 00:32:30,245 a week later it was clear 659 00:32:30,265 --> 00:32:33,145 someone in the shadows had other plans. 660 00:32:33,165 --> 00:32:35,385 He goes, "What did you think of the video?" 661 00:32:35,405 --> 00:32:38,045 I said, "I didn't get a video." 662 00:32:38,065 --> 00:32:39,445 He said, "Oh, well, they came from your office." 663 00:32:41,085 --> 00:32:43,325 Two men claiming to be from France's office 664 00:32:43,345 --> 00:32:47,085 convinced Richard to hand over the only copy of the video. 665 00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:50,125 I don't have a man working in my office. 666 00:32:50,145 --> 00:32:51,305 I have three women. 667 00:32:52,465 --> 00:32:54,385 Oh, my gosh! 668 00:32:54,405 --> 00:32:58,165 So I said, "OK, what did they look like?" 669 00:32:58,185 --> 00:33:00,385 "They were in three-piece suits with hats." 670 00:33:00,405 --> 00:33:05,105 Now, mind you this is July, it's 110 degrees out, 671 00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:08,185 and so it was like, "Oh, my goodness." 672 00:33:08,205 --> 00:33:11,165 Well, then Richard Curtis got really sick 673 00:33:11,185 --> 00:33:14,265 and they took him out by ambulance and nobody's ever seen him again. 674 00:33:15,505 --> 00:33:18,065 Nobody knows where he is? No. 675 00:33:18,085 --> 00:33:19,405 Neighbours of his said 676 00:33:19,425 --> 00:33:21,065 they changed his medication, 677 00:33:21,085 --> 00:33:22,085 he had a bad reaction, 678 00:33:22,105 --> 00:33:23,245 they had to take him to the hospital 679 00:33:23,265 --> 00:33:25,185 and he never came back. 680 00:33:25,205 --> 00:33:27,365 Do we, do we know if he's in the obituaries? 681 00:33:27,385 --> 00:33:29,025 If, if he's passed? 682 00:33:29,045 --> 00:33:31,425 Nothing. Not more information. 683 00:33:31,445 --> 00:33:36,105 And I'm thinking, how did they know he called me? 684 00:33:36,125 --> 00:33:37,225 It was kinda creepy. 685 00:33:37,245 --> 00:33:38,365 According to Frances, 686 00:33:38,385 --> 00:33:41,405 a private investigator checked her home phone line 687 00:33:41,425 --> 00:33:43,325 and made a shocking discovery. 688 00:33:43,345 --> 00:33:45,465 He said, "You have a tap on your line, 689 00:33:45,485 --> 00:33:48,405 "it's coming from the Government, Federal Government." 690 00:33:48,425 --> 00:33:50,045 Are you serious? 691 00:33:50,065 --> 00:33:52,445 Somebody was tapping your phone, 692 00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:55,405 intercepted a conversation you had with a witness... 693 00:33:55,425 --> 00:33:56,425 Mm-hm. 694 00:33:56,445 --> 00:34:00,045 ..and then showed up saying that they were coming on your behalf 695 00:34:00,065 --> 00:34:04,285 to get possibly the only clear video of the event that's out there. 696 00:34:04,305 --> 00:34:05,305 Right. 697 00:34:05,325 --> 00:34:08,025 It usually got to be face-to-face meetings a lot. 698 00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:10,385 In an effort to protect her witnesses, 699 00:34:10,405 --> 00:34:13,165 Frances handed off her notes to a friend. 700 00:34:13,185 --> 00:34:15,045 It was put in his safe 701 00:34:15,065 --> 00:34:17,405 and they were broken into and it was taken. 702 00:34:19,205 --> 00:34:20,205 Are you serious? 703 00:34:20,225 --> 00:34:22,225 And I imagine you discussed that on the phone 704 00:34:22,245 --> 00:34:23,465 that you were gonna bring it to him? 705 00:34:25,125 --> 00:34:26,145 Before I knew. 706 00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,305 Before you knew you were being tapped. 707 00:34:30,325 --> 00:34:33,425 I'm sorry, it's...it's... it really, really frustrates me. 708 00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:37,285 It was very frustrating because it's...it's like... 709 00:34:37,305 --> 00:34:42,085 in...in my own self I feel like I've failed. 710 00:34:42,105 --> 00:34:44,145 The investigation wasn't completed. 711 00:34:44,165 --> 00:34:45,225 There was no answer 712 00:34:45,245 --> 00:34:47,125 and there was nothing more I could do. 713 00:34:47,145 --> 00:34:49,345 There was nobody else I could go to. Nothing. 714 00:34:50,485 --> 00:34:52,085 Do you, do you have any idea 715 00:34:52,105 --> 00:34:55,165 who these people might be that are tapping your phone? 716 00:34:55,185 --> 00:34:57,105 Well, I was told a long time ago 717 00:34:57,125 --> 00:35:00,205 that there's the Government you see and there's the Shadow Government. 718 00:35:01,345 --> 00:35:05,325 It's not elected officials. It's not the hired officials. 719 00:35:05,345 --> 00:35:08,125 It's beyond that. 720 00:35:08,145 --> 00:35:10,465 But the question remains, why is the Government 721 00:35:10,485 --> 00:35:13,305 covering up the existence of UFOs. 722 00:35:13,325 --> 00:35:15,505 Frances believes they are afraid. 723 00:35:16,025 --> 00:35:19,445 Why do you harass and, and wire tap 724 00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:23,265 and take away the evidence from people who saw it? 725 00:35:23,285 --> 00:35:26,345 Because the Government knows that it's not them. 726 00:35:26,365 --> 00:35:28,105 That's my only theory. 727 00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:31,245 And so they're afraid of losing power. 728 00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:32,285 Yeah. 729 00:35:34,205 --> 00:35:36,245 I believe that the Phoenix Lights event 730 00:35:36,265 --> 00:35:39,365 was not only a massive Government cover-up 731 00:35:39,385 --> 00:35:41,165 but a smear campaign. 732 00:35:41,185 --> 00:35:43,365 Frances Barwood led this whole crusade, 733 00:35:43,385 --> 00:35:45,285 her phone was wire tapped. 734 00:35:45,305 --> 00:35:47,465 The Government and whoever 735 00:35:47,485 --> 00:35:51,065 the secret keepers are did a very effective job 736 00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:52,205 in covering this up. 737 00:35:56,105 --> 00:35:58,285 To uncover how the conspirators deploy 738 00:35:58,305 --> 00:36:01,325 and enact their disinformation campaign, 739 00:36:01,345 --> 00:36:03,405 Ben arranges a sit down with a man 740 00:36:03,425 --> 00:36:07,345 who recently identified himself as a Shadow Government pawn, 741 00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:11,245 who was consistently deployed to cover up Government secrets. 742 00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,285 Rick, thank you for meeting me here. 743 00:36:15,305 --> 00:36:18,225 If someone had a legit sighting they wanted to dissuade 744 00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:19,325 or distract the public, 745 00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:22,225 the person that they would call to do that is you? 746 00:36:22,245 --> 00:36:23,365 It would be us. 747 00:36:23,385 --> 00:36:25,445 Special agents were the Air Force Officer 748 00:36:25,465 --> 00:36:28,205 of Special Investigations Counter-Intelligence Division. 749 00:36:28,225 --> 00:36:29,225 Wow! 750 00:36:29,245 --> 00:36:30,285 OK. 751 00:36:30,305 --> 00:36:33,185 I was stationed in Area 51 in the '80s. 752 00:36:33,205 --> 00:36:35,125 You were! I have a badge to prove it. 753 00:36:36,425 --> 00:36:38,085 You don't think it still works, do you? 754 00:36:38,105 --> 00:36:39,385 No, I don't think it still works. 755 00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:42,065 The civilian sightings 756 00:36:42,085 --> 00:36:43,165 were done by 757 00:36:43,185 --> 00:36:45,185 Project Blue Book investigators 758 00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:49,045 but the real mysterious cases 759 00:36:49,065 --> 00:36:51,165 were handled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. 760 00:36:51,185 --> 00:36:54,225 If someone has a legitimate UFO sighting 761 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:58,285 and the Government comes in to discredit them 762 00:36:58,305 --> 00:37:00,065 how do they go about doing that? 763 00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:01,125 That was part of our job. 764 00:37:01,145 --> 00:37:03,425 We went out, tried to dis-inform people 765 00:37:03,445 --> 00:37:05,325 who have had UFO sightings. 766 00:37:07,205 --> 00:37:08,205 And there's manuals 767 00:37:08,225 --> 00:37:11,425 that governs exactly how we, we do that. 768 00:37:11,445 --> 00:37:15,445 It's actually written policy like how to go about doing this? 769 00:37:15,465 --> 00:37:16,505 Yes. 770 00:37:18,205 --> 00:37:20,485 And I have some information here 771 00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:23,185 Wow! Wow! 772 00:37:23,205 --> 00:37:24,425 'Cause I've always suspected 773 00:37:24,445 --> 00:37:26,505 but I didn't know that there was a play-book. 774 00:37:28,205 --> 00:37:29,425 There's a play-book. 775 00:37:29,445 --> 00:37:34,065 That manual particularly dictates some other thing that the Air Force 776 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:37,165 can blame it on and exactly how we try to discredit people. 777 00:37:37,185 --> 00:37:38,205 Oh, my gosh! 778 00:37:38,225 --> 00:37:41,045 There were incidents where the sighting 779 00:37:41,065 --> 00:37:42,185 was in fact a UFO. 780 00:37:42,205 --> 00:37:45,025 We knew it was not from this earth... 781 00:37:46,285 --> 00:37:47,325 extraterrestrial. 782 00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,465 Ben Hansen is meeting with Rick Doty, 783 00:37:55,485 --> 00:37:58,145 a former Agent of the Shadow Government. 784 00:37:58,165 --> 00:38:01,265 He claims he was one of the Air Force Special Agents 785 00:38:01,285 --> 00:38:05,385 sent out to cover up the existence of UFOs. 786 00:38:05,405 --> 00:38:07,385 There were incidents where the sighting 787 00:38:07,405 --> 00:38:08,485 was in a fact a UFO. 788 00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:11,345 We knew it was not from this earth... 789 00:38:13,105 --> 00:38:15,085 extraterrestrial. 790 00:38:15,105 --> 00:38:19,345 Those particular sightings we had to dis-inform the public. 791 00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:22,305 We gotta make those people, make them think that what, 792 00:38:22,325 --> 00:38:25,145 what they saw was something other than a UFO, 793 00:38:25,165 --> 00:38:29,085 such as Mars or Venus or a swamp gas. 794 00:38:29,105 --> 00:38:30,325 That is incredible. 795 00:38:30,345 --> 00:38:34,045 I've been investigating the case from 1966 796 00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:35,365 in Dexter, Michigan 797 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:38,445 and a lot of people there were made to believe 798 00:38:38,465 --> 00:38:42,085 that this incident was nothing more than swamp gas. 799 00:38:42,105 --> 00:38:43,345 Do you think the Government was involved? 800 00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:44,405 Yes. 801 00:38:44,425 --> 00:38:47,105 It sounds like the, the Government was involved in that. 802 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:48,265 For example, 803 00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:51,165 the Phoenix Lights, more recently 1997. 804 00:38:51,185 --> 00:38:53,485 They come out and say "flares". 805 00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:56,285 Do you see the same pattern repeating here? 806 00:38:56,305 --> 00:38:58,185 Yes. 807 00:38:58,205 --> 00:39:00,165 There's a special unit 808 00:39:00,185 --> 00:39:02,465 and they're now classified as the Men in Black. 809 00:39:02,485 --> 00:39:05,105 These people are trained to go out 810 00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:08,185 and then collect intelligence in a, in a very mysterious manner. 811 00:39:08,205 --> 00:39:11,105 They were the master of disguises 812 00:39:11,125 --> 00:39:13,125 and then they'll come in more secretly. 813 00:39:13,145 --> 00:39:15,425 They won't come in as, as spreading out 814 00:39:15,445 --> 00:39:17,185 their badges and credentials. 815 00:39:18,345 --> 00:39:21,165 Are you familiar with, with a lot of the details 816 00:39:21,185 --> 00:39:22,265 of the Dexter case? 817 00:39:22,285 --> 00:39:25,385 Yeah, I saw it in a classified report, yes. 818 00:39:25,405 --> 00:39:27,145 Because I talked to Ron Mannor, 819 00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:28,485 who's the son of Frank Mannor, 820 00:39:29,005 --> 00:39:33,205 and both father, son saw this object. 821 00:39:33,225 --> 00:39:36,065 Is it possible that someone came to his dad 822 00:39:36,085 --> 00:39:38,265 and kinda helped him change his story? 823 00:39:38,285 --> 00:39:41,105 That sounds like something we was assigned to do. 824 00:39:42,445 --> 00:39:47,185 Over time, Frank Mannor's account of the Dexter UFO incident changed 825 00:39:47,205 --> 00:39:49,405 and the public lost faith in his story. 826 00:39:49,425 --> 00:39:52,425 But is it possible he was one of the victims 827 00:39:52,445 --> 00:39:56,045 of a Government campaign to hide the truth? 828 00:39:56,065 --> 00:39:57,405 You know, I investigated a lot of incidents 829 00:39:57,425 --> 00:40:01,065 where I dis-informed people or dis-informed the public. 830 00:40:01,085 --> 00:40:03,305 I believed that we had a mission and we were doing 831 00:40:03,325 --> 00:40:06,245 what we were supposed to do and we were protecting society 832 00:40:06,265 --> 00:40:08,365 and we were protecting the national defence. 833 00:40:08,385 --> 00:40:10,445 But the reason I come and speak now 834 00:40:10,465 --> 00:40:13,305 is because I don't believe that we did it right. 835 00:40:13,325 --> 00:40:16,365 There's this thread of disinformation that is making 836 00:40:16,385 --> 00:40:20,365 it very difficult for us to know what is true and what is not. 837 00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:23,445 Why is the Government covering up these UFO sightings? 838 00:40:23,465 --> 00:40:25,325 They're not gonna go to the public and say, 839 00:40:25,345 --> 00:40:27,365 "You know what, we just had an incident 840 00:40:27,385 --> 00:40:29,045 "in Dexter and it was an unknown." 841 00:40:29,065 --> 00:40:30,205 Imagine what the American people, 842 00:40:30,225 --> 00:40:31,485 especially people around Dexter, would think? 843 00:40:32,005 --> 00:40:34,225 My God, are we being invaded? 844 00:40:34,245 --> 00:40:36,125 They had to cover it up. It's an unknown. 845 00:40:36,145 --> 00:40:38,365 It's about time the public knows. 846 00:40:38,385 --> 00:40:41,405 They need to know. They deserve to know. 847 00:40:41,425 --> 00:40:43,185 I thank you so much for filling me in 848 00:40:43,205 --> 00:40:44,205 and giving me these insights. 849 00:40:44,225 --> 00:40:46,145 This, this is amazing. 850 00:40:46,165 --> 00:40:48,145 After hearing Rick's disclosure, 851 00:40:48,165 --> 00:40:50,365 Ben decides to call Frances Barwood 852 00:40:50,385 --> 00:40:53,365 and update her with what he's uncovered. 853 00:40:53,385 --> 00:40:56,125 Frances, hi, it's Ben Hansen. How are you doing? 854 00:40:56,145 --> 00:40:57,485 I'm doing good, Ben. 855 00:40:58,005 --> 00:41:00,345 I have some very interesting information for you. 856 00:41:00,365 --> 00:41:03,225 Somebody who actually worked for the Air Force, 857 00:41:03,245 --> 00:41:05,185 his name is Rick Doty. 858 00:41:05,205 --> 00:41:11,065 Rick tells me that his job was to actually contact witnesses 859 00:41:11,085 --> 00:41:13,165 who believed they'd seen UFO sightings 860 00:41:13,185 --> 00:41:15,365 and to discredit them 861 00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:18,225 to the degree that they even had them believing 862 00:41:18,245 --> 00:41:20,145 that they themselves were crazy. 863 00:41:20,165 --> 00:41:24,025 I was just blown away by...by his disclosure. 864 00:41:24,045 --> 00:41:25,365 How does that make you feel? 865 00:41:47,245 --> 00:41:49,265 And, and that's what I wanna ask you, 866 00:41:49,285 --> 00:41:50,365 what are they afraid of? 867 00:41:50,385 --> 00:41:52,025 Do you think the Government believes 868 00:41:52,045 --> 00:41:54,365 that UFOs are a national security threat? 869 00:42:14,225 --> 00:42:18,065 Thank you so much for your courage and your efforts in this 870 00:42:18,085 --> 00:42:19,485 and taking these witnesses seriously 871 00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:22,045 and bringing their statements forward. 872 00:42:22,065 --> 00:42:23,185 Thank you. Alright. 873 00:42:23,205 --> 00:42:25,245 Talking with Frances Barwood and telling her 874 00:42:25,265 --> 00:42:27,085 what Rick Doty said it, 875 00:42:27,105 --> 00:42:29,425 it really brings everything full circle. 876 00:42:29,445 --> 00:42:32,225 I fully believe that what she experienced 877 00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:35,465 with these men in black and the video being taken and her, 878 00:42:35,485 --> 00:42:39,345 her phone being tapped could possibly be exactly 879 00:42:39,365 --> 00:42:41,285 the type of thing that Rick Doty was working on 880 00:42:41,305 --> 00:42:43,185 with the Air Force in his special duties. 881 00:42:43,205 --> 00:42:47,225 This is what the Government does to cover up the UFO story. 882 00:42:48,485 --> 00:42:51,405 We have seen this decade after decade. 883 00:42:51,425 --> 00:42:55,025 If you go back from 1966 in Dexter, Michigan 884 00:42:55,045 --> 00:42:58,325 to 1997 the Phoenix Lights till now, 885 00:42:58,345 --> 00:43:02,285 we've confirmed that the Government has provided disinformation. 886 00:43:02,305 --> 00:43:03,465 Swamp gas! 887 00:43:03,485 --> 00:43:06,005 Interfered with the UFO investigations, 888 00:43:06,025 --> 00:43:09,285 tampered with the witnesses and they're controlling the media. 889 00:43:09,305 --> 00:43:10,445 The Government comes out 890 00:43:10,465 --> 00:43:14,005 with such a ridiculous explanation. 891 00:43:14,025 --> 00:43:15,045 Whoa! 892 00:43:15,065 --> 00:43:17,105 It insults the intelligence 893 00:43:17,125 --> 00:43:18,125 of these very 894 00:43:18,145 --> 00:43:19,205 credible witnesses. 895 00:43:19,225 --> 00:43:20,225 There was a sense of 896 00:43:20,245 --> 00:43:21,385 kind of a... a betrayal. 897 00:43:21,405 --> 00:43:24,045 And after all of this, for what? 898 00:43:24,065 --> 00:43:26,005 It's absolutely shocking, 899 00:43:26,025 --> 00:43:27,205 it's disheartening 900 00:43:27,225 --> 00:43:28,285 and to think that it still 901 00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:29,405 might be going on today. 902 00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:32,425 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv 102816

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