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That's insane.
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NARRATOR:
The Phoenix lights event of 1997
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is the largest mass UFO sighting
in our nation's history.
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I saw six lights
over the airport,
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in absolute uniform,
in a 'V' shape.
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It's unidentified. It's flying
and it's six objects.
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But it's not the first time
this has happened.
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I see the lights on either side.
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The Government claims these UFOs
were not extraterrestrial
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and have come up with countless
dubious explanations for the lights.
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Swamp gas.
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It's insulting
to anybody's intelligence.
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Why is the Government covering up
these sightings?
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Do visitors from outer space pose
a threat to our national security?
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There's the Government you see
and there's a Shadow Government.
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Whoa!
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BEN VOICEOVER: I'm Ben Hansen,
former Federal Agent.
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My grandfather worked
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at a highly classified
Air Force base and convinced me
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we are not alone in the universe.
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Then I had my own encounter
that changed my life forever.
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Welcome to UFO country.
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Now, I've gained access
to a top secret archive
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from Project Blue Book.
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This planet has been
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under surveillance for centuries.
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Containing reports
of over 10,000 UFO sightings
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investigated by the US Government.
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We could very well be standing
on the exact place
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where a UFO crashed.
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My mission is to uncover the truth.
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I'm in Phoenix, Arizona on my way
to meet a woman
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who recently took some video
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of some extraordinary UFO lights
in the skies.
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This sighting happened in 2019
but there's been
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strange activity here
for over 60 years
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and eye witnesses are convinced
these lights are not of this world.
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Dr Lynne.
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So good to see you.
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I hear that you had
a really impressive sighting.
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I was right in this area.
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I was home.
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This is before 7:00
and it was dark
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and I'm sitting
in front of the TV.
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The lights started to flicker...
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and then those lights went out.
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Then the TV went off.
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I saw huge balls of amber light.
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Like nothing
you've ever seen before.
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So, I grabbed my camera
and I started photographing them.
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Can I see the,
the photos that you took?
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Absolutely.
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First one and then another popped up
so, there were four altogether.
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Yeah, I see there's four.
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The lights all appeared in a line,
a formation.
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As if they were connected
to a singular craft.
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They were
so unusual.
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Technology wise
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it seemed that there was
an intelligence behind them
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and I noticed an eerie silence,
as if time had stopped.
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It felt like something
was watching me.
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Wow!
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It was extraordinary.
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Where you seeing any lights like
from aircraft in the area?
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There were planes
coming into the airports,
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Sky Harbour International Airport,
at the same time.
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So, we compare this,
which we know is a plane,
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look how bright these are.
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Quite different from any plane.
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So, you have video of this as well?
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I do! This is the video.
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Oh, wow!
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The video also shows
the bright lights
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in formation,
hovering in place.
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They are too close
to each other be helicopters
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and too bright to be drones.
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You got something
really impressive
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like just hovering out there.
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Exactly.
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But there's more.
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This is not the first time Dr Kitei
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has seen UFO's
in the Arizona skies.
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Almost 25 years ago
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Dr Kitei filmed
what has become known
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as the Phoenix Lights.
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I've been seeing these phenomena
since March 13, 1997.
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Among UFOlogists the Phoenix Lights
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have become one of the most iconic
UFO videos ever filmed.
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20,000 citizens reported
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seeing the strange object pictured
in Dr Kitei's video.
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They described it as a mile wide
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triangle shaped craft
with six distinct lights.
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It crossed
roughly 300 miles of airspace
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with reports coming in
from Phoenix to Tucson...
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and one of the witnesses turned out
to be a famous actor.
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Well, one of the private pilots
happened to be Kurt Russel.
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I saw six lights
over the airport,
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in absolute uniform,
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in a 'V' shape
and I reported it.
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And they said,
"We're not panning anything,
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"we're not showing anything."
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I said, "Well, OK.
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"I'm gonna declare
it's unidentified.
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"It's flying
and it's six objects."
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That was the most
viewed UFO event,
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over 20,000 people saw that.
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Thousands of people,
what's going on?
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It could possibly be,
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I think
the greatest mass sighting in,
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in our country's history
and you had a front row seat.
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I did.
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With so many witnesses
to this event,
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the Government
was forced to investigate.
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Bringing about what is believed
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to be one of the greatest
UFO cover-ups in history.
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They claim the lights
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were not attached
to an alien aircraft
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but were simply flares set off
during a military exercise.
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When they had to come out
with something,
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they came out with the flare theory.
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Flares drift haphazardly
with the wind,
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have huge smoke trails.
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It, it was, it was bizarre.
The next morning's headlines...
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That's really disappointing.
..Phoenix Lights are flares.
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It's like they bit it, hook,
line, sinker and said,
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this is what the military said,
this is what we're going with.
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They did. Exactly.
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Military flares leave
behind prominent smoke trails
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as they fall, which rules them out
as a suspect.
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But others saw
the static hovering lights.
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Dr Kitei has assembled
a group of witnesses
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to the 1997 Phoenix Lights event.
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Fearing retaliation a few have asked
to remain anonymous.
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Wow.
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Thank you guys for coming here.
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I understand you're all witnesses
to the Phoenix Lights.
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What did you feel like
when they come out
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with this official explanation
in the newspapers, flares?
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It's interesting you say that.
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My father fought
in the high core area
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in Vietnam in '68 and '69.
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He concurred the same thing.
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He said aviation flares,
they drop slowly.
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Well, do you think we could
all agree then on what it was not?
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These were not flares, right?
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They were not lanterns either.
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They were not lanterns,
they were not conventional craft.
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They were silent.
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So, if it wasn't that,
the alternative is...
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it's from somewhere else.
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That's right.
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Two of the eyewitnesses claim
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they had close encounters
with the 1997 UFO.
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Right.
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I saw the same thing.
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Where did you witness it?
Where were you?
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I was on the I60
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was driving home from work...
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and I saw this huge boomerang-shaped
craft flying towards me.
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I slammed on the brakes...
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I jumped out of my truck
as it came up over me.
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It was about 30 feet
over my head
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and I remember thinking,
"I could hit this with a rock."
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30 feet?
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David was paralysed in fear
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as the large imposing UFO flew
right above his head.
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It was gun-metal grey
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and there was like
thousands and thousands
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of thumb prints in it.
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It just meandered.
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This huge craft that took up
70% of the horizon.
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So, from you being 30 feet
under how wide would it be?
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My guess was a mile
to a mile and a half.
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Whoa!
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From tip to toe.
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But there was no-one else around,
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I looked 'cause I wanted to have
some validation for what I saw.
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But the nearest light
I could easily see right into.
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And out of that port
what look like lava
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and as it poured down
about four to six feet
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it stopped and then it went
right back up in.
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And then more would come down.
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And I remember thinking
I'm gonna get burned
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because I was that close to it
but there was no heat.
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And there was no sound.
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And I stood there
and as it passed by
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and I watched it
until it went out of sight.
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I just started crying.
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It was overwhelming
and that has stuck with me
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from that day, from that moment.
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Wow.
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Could the lights have been visitors
from another world and if so,
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what do they want with us?
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To find out
about any other mass UFO sightings
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in American history,
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Ben is headed to the Centre
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for UFO Studies
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to talk with historian.
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Mark O'Connell.
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So, Ben.
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I have talked to so many witnesses
who saw the Phoenix Lights.
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You know, it's 1997,
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there were thousands of people
who saw the triangle.
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I talked to people
who saw this thing
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as close as 30 feet
above their head.
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And as it passed by I watched it
till it went out of sight.
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I just started crying.
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Oh.
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None of it made sense.
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All I know for certain is I believe
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that there was
the dis-information campaign.
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I'm baffled and I, I wanna know
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does this type of thing
have precedence?
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Has there been other cases
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where there's been
a mass UFO sighting
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and the Government
is so adeptly able to come in
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and just take over and silence them?
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Let me show you a file
that I've been looking at.
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Alright.
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This is the official
Michigan '66 Flap.
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Swamp gas flap.
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Dr J Allen Hynek
was the lead scientific advisor
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to Project Blue Book,
a government funded investigation
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of the nation's UFO sightings
from 1952 to 1969.
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According to Mark, in 1966
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the Air Force sent
Dr Hynek to Dexter, Michigan.
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A small town outside of Ann Arbour.
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There he investigated reports
of a UFO seen by a farmer,
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Frank Manor and his son, Ron.
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There are a lot parallels
between the Phoenix Lights
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and the infamous Dexter,
Michigan "swamp gas" sightings.
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Dozens of witnesses.
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The Government getting involved
in strange and misleading ways.
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So, here's a recording
of an interview
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with Frank Manor
who was one of the witnesses.
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We were watching
television,
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we have
six dogs here
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and they started
raising a fuss.
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I went outside
on the porch,
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I looked
to the north
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and it looked like
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a falling star
coming down.
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I looked at it
and I thought I was seeing things
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and a, a blue and a white light
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come on it.
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Frank and Ron weren't the only ones
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to witness the lights
hovering above the swamp
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near his farm in Dexter.
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In the neighbouring town
of Hillsdale,
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college students also reported
seeing a flying saucer
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with three lights in a row,
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much like the Phoenix Lights of 1997.
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When I saw it
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I just wanted to stay there
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and keep my eyes glued to it,
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I couldn't leave.
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Well, when I was looking
out the window
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I saw what looked
to be shaped like a pie.
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I could see the lights
on the either side
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and in the rim,
like it was sorted of packing a glow
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over the whole thing.
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It becomes a huge,
huge national headline
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much like the
Phoenix Lights did, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, Air Force hates it
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when a UFO story becomes too big.
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Yeah.
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So, what does the Air Force do?
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They send Hynek to Michigan,
he interviews the Mannor family.
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But get this, he's getting pressure
from his boss...
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Really?
..to make this case go away quickly.
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Everybody wants Hynek to say
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"spaceships, little green men"
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and instead he says,
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"What these
witnesses describe
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"could've been swamp gas."
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The official explanation swamp gas,
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flares caused by the burning
of gases bubbling up
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from the area swamp.
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Mr Mannor, the farmer,
the lights they saw
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were localised to the swamp area
and it's when this green fog comes
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and the gases can be...
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can bubble up from below
and get released.
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The gases can ignite spontaneously
and they flicker all over the place.
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They'll flicker at one place
and then go out
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and suddenly appear some place else
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which gives the illusion of motion.
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Everybody just went crazy
when he said "swamp gas".
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But none of it really adds up.
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The country's leading UFO expert
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just said everybody
in Michigan is an idiot
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who can't tell swamp gas
from a flying saucer.
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So, that's kind of along the lines
in Phoenix.
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Right.
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It was really the defining moment
in Dr Hynek's career.
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So, the Government's gonna say
it was swamp gas.
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Can we prove that it wasn't?
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There's a lot of,
of witness testimony.
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I, I'd actually like to see
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if any of these people
are still alive.
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I think the more you dig,
the more you'll find evidence
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that the Air Force,
of course during the Blue Book days,
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but even beyond that,
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that the Air Force has really been
up to no good.
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It's a little bit disturbing.
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I'm in Dexter, Michigan on my way
to see Sheriff Harvey.
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Now, Sheriff Harvey has long
since retired but in 1966
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he was the Sheriff
in charge
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when Dr Hynek
was sent
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to investigate
the Dexter UFO.
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Sheriff Harvey,
pleasure to meet you.
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I'm so excited to talk to you
about this case
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because it's been
one of those iconic cases
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I read about as a kid
and I hope that you can kinda
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fill in some blanks for me
and get to the bottom on this.
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I will do my utmost.
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I have some
of the original documents,
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it might help jog your memory.
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First of all
if I could take you back now
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to 1966.
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I was
a young Sheriff,
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the second
youngest sheriff
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in the State
of Michigan.
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That time there was one sighting
after another in Dexter.
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I understand you spent a lot of time
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with Dr Hynek
when he came into town.
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I'd never heard of Professor Hynek.
Didn't know who he was.
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Yeah.
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But I knew that you know
he had to be somebody important.
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My curiosity got the best of me
and I said,
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"Dr Hynek, what have we got?"
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And I remember him saying to me,
"I don't know."
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I found that very strange, you know.
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When we got back to my office,
he said, "I gotta call Washington."
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00:16:51,165 --> 00:16:54,445
It stuck with me so much,
"I, I gotta call Washington."
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OK.
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He was in there for quite a while...
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then he came out.
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"Professor, what have we got?
What have we got?"
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He said, "It's swamp gas."
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I literally died, swamp gas.
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So, he was pretty definitive
about this....
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00:17:16,505 --> 00:17:18,285
Oh, boy, yes!
..he was just...
344
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You know, it didn't take an idiot
to figure it out.
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I get a call from Washington
and Washington is saying,
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"You'd better say it's swamp gas.
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"Get your butt out of there
and come on back to Washington."
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You think about that for a minute.
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He had no idea but then
when he makes a call to Washington,
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all of a sudden he, he comes up
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with "It's swamp gas."
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00:17:41,305 --> 00:17:42,425
How frustrating.
Wow.
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00:17:42,445 --> 00:17:45,085
Yes. I was disgusted.
354
00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:46,505
What is swamp gas?
355
00:17:46,525 --> 00:17:48,405
I've never seen it. It's like...
356
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Yeah, insulting
to anybody's intelligence.
357
00:17:51,085 --> 00:17:53,325
I think they could've come up
with something better than that.
358
00:17:58,085 --> 00:17:59,085
But there's more.
359
00:17:59,105 --> 00:18:02,065
Sheriff Harvey has
never before revealed information.
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Something that doesn't appear
361
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in any of Dr Hynek's
Project Blue Book reports.
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00:18:07,085 --> 00:18:08,505
Hours before the news conference
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00:18:08,525 --> 00:18:11,245
and Hynek's call to Washington,
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00:18:11,265 --> 00:18:16,105
Sheriff Harvey and Dr Hynek visited
the swamp on Frank Mannor's farm
365
00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:17,325
and found something.
366
00:18:20,325 --> 00:18:24,505
We got to the Mannor farm.
Dr Hynek got out the car...
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00:18:42,465 --> 00:18:44,245
and in the back field...
368
00:18:46,405 --> 00:18:47,525
the grass was down...
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in a, like a circle.
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00:18:51,485 --> 00:18:54,305
It was matted. Matted down.
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You know like something
just laid on it.
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And Dr Hynek walked right up to it.
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It's not in any of the reports.
374
00:19:03,325 --> 00:19:05,065
I don't see any mention of it,
375
00:19:05,085 --> 00:19:07,385
so, is it possible that,
376
00:19:07,405 --> 00:19:10,185
that Hynek purposely left that out?
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00:19:12,365 --> 00:19:15,285
He left out
what you had seen with him,
378
00:19:15,305 --> 00:19:16,465
the depression.
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I know, that I seen it
and so did Hynek.
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He went up to it.
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00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:24,125
To Sheriff Harvey,
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00:19:24,145 --> 00:19:28,145
the possibility
that a UFO landed her is real.
383
00:19:28,165 --> 00:19:30,145
Sheriff Harvey,
the college students,
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Frank Mannor and his son, Ron,
385
00:19:32,185 --> 00:19:35,205
all either saw the UFO
or direct evidence
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00:19:35,225 --> 00:19:38,185
of it's presence and Ron Mannor
is still alive
387
00:19:38,205 --> 00:19:40,285
and willing to talk about it.
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00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:42,425
I'm on my way to talk to Ron Mannor.
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00:19:42,445 --> 00:19:45,185
Now, Ron and his dad Frank
are the family
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00:19:45,205 --> 00:19:48,165
that witnessed the object hovering
over the swamp.
391
00:19:48,185 --> 00:19:50,485
Ron was 18 at the time.
392
00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:54,325
I don't think he's actually talked
about it since 1966.
393
00:20:00,385 --> 00:20:01,525
You must be Ben, come in.
394
00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:04,365
Nice to meet you.
Thank you so much.
395
00:20:04,385 --> 00:20:06,185
After all these years,
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00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:07,485
this is still
397
00:20:07,505 --> 00:20:10,085
one of the most iconic cases.
398
00:20:10,105 --> 00:20:12,085
You have so many witnesses,
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00:20:12,105 --> 00:20:13,245
incredible event
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00:20:13,265 --> 00:20:15,085
and the the Government steps in
401
00:20:15,105 --> 00:20:17,165
and says, "Yeah, that,
that wasn't what it was.
402
00:20:17,185 --> 00:20:19,105
"It wasn't
what you guys experienced."
403
00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:23,345
So, could you kinda just take me
back to that evening.
404
00:20:23,365 --> 00:20:25,125
I was on the back porch...
405
00:20:29,165 --> 00:20:30,465
looking at the lights down
in the swamp.
406
00:20:31,525 --> 00:20:34,445
So, I sat there and watched it
for a while.
407
00:20:34,465 --> 00:20:35,465
I told my dad.
408
00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:37,545
"They shouldn't be there,
but let's go see what it is."
409
00:20:39,545 --> 00:20:42,325
So, we walked down there
410
00:20:42,345 --> 00:20:46,525
and you could see lights,
three lights,
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00:20:46,545 --> 00:20:49,405
amber one, a red one and a blue one.
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00:20:53,145 --> 00:20:55,105
Did they move independently?
413
00:20:55,125 --> 00:20:56,125
No.
414
00:20:56,145 --> 00:20:58,185
I would've thought
if it was three different lights
415
00:20:58,205 --> 00:21:01,145
it would probably have moved some,
some, something would've...
416
00:21:01,165 --> 00:21:02,185
Changed out of position?
417
00:21:02,205 --> 00:21:03,245
Yeah. You would've thought.
418
00:21:03,265 --> 00:21:05,485
So, it's possible that it was part
of one structure?
419
00:21:05,505 --> 00:21:06,505
Yeah.
420
00:21:06,525 --> 00:21:08,225
Ron thinks it's possible the lights
421
00:21:08,245 --> 00:21:13,065
were attached to one UFO
just like the Phoenix Lights
422
00:21:13,085 --> 00:21:15,285
And so, we couldn't get
a real good look at it
423
00:21:15,305 --> 00:21:17,385
so, I suggested
we get up on this big hill
424
00:21:17,405 --> 00:21:19,285
so, we could look down
into the swamp.
425
00:21:21,285 --> 00:21:25,245
We got over there
and when we looked back
426
00:21:25,265 --> 00:21:26,545
the lights were gone from there.
427
00:21:32,285 --> 00:21:35,545
And then they send out Dr Hynek.
He spoke with your father.
428
00:21:36,065 --> 00:21:39,285
So, then Dr Hynek makes
this press release
429
00:21:39,305 --> 00:21:41,325
and he says that it's swamp gas.
430
00:21:42,405 --> 00:21:45,425
What did your dad feel like
when Hynek came out and said that?
431
00:21:45,445 --> 00:21:48,165
I think he felt
a little betrayed, you know,
432
00:21:48,185 --> 00:21:50,405
they were just making him look bad.
433
00:21:50,425 --> 00:21:53,485
Well, I know it's a real phenomenon
but do you think
434
00:21:53,505 --> 00:21:57,525
it's at all possible that what you
and your father saw was swamp gas?
435
00:21:57,545 --> 00:21:59,225
Not possible.
436
00:21:59,245 --> 00:22:01,505
Not with three distinct
different lights, no.
437
00:22:01,525 --> 00:22:03,405
Not a chance.
Not a chance.
438
00:22:03,425 --> 00:22:05,085
No.
439
00:22:07,205 --> 00:22:09,265
With Hynek's burning swamp gas story
440
00:22:09,285 --> 00:22:12,185
looking unlikely,
Ben comes up with an idea.
441
00:22:13,205 --> 00:22:15,465
With Ron's permission
to access the property
442
00:22:15,485 --> 00:22:18,505
he heads to the swamp
to conduct an experiment.
443
00:22:18,525 --> 00:22:21,345
Does methane gas
rising from the swamp,
444
00:22:21,365 --> 00:22:24,065
burn and give off different colours?
445
00:22:24,085 --> 00:22:27,505
And if so, will the flames rise up
high enough to be mistaken
446
00:22:27,525 --> 00:22:30,165
for bright lights
on a flying object?
447
00:22:38,265 --> 00:22:39,445
This is really cool to be here.
448
00:22:39,465 --> 00:22:42,185
You can see
it's a little bit frozen over.
449
00:22:42,205 --> 00:22:45,545
To think a UFO could've been here
back in 1966.
450
00:22:48,545 --> 00:22:52,105
Joining him at the site
is a pyrotechnics expert
451
00:22:52,125 --> 00:22:54,405
who will help Ben recreate
the swamp gas
452
00:22:54,425 --> 00:22:57,485
that Dr Hynek alleged in his report.
453
00:22:57,505 --> 00:23:01,065
Can't say that I've ever tried
to make swamp gas before.
454
00:23:02,105 --> 00:23:04,185
I've seen it once down in Louisiana.
455
00:23:04,205 --> 00:23:05,225
Oh, really?
456
00:23:05,245 --> 00:23:06,545
Yeah, and it was pure accidence.
457
00:23:07,065 --> 00:23:11,285
Alright, so, the water here
it's a little bit iced over.
458
00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:13,305
I need to get far enough
in to submerge this whole this.
459
00:23:13,325 --> 00:23:14,325
Whoa.
460
00:23:14,345 --> 00:23:17,325
OK, well, now,
we know how deep it is
461
00:23:17,345 --> 00:23:19,405
and it stinks like siler.
462
00:23:19,425 --> 00:23:20,425
Yeah.
463
00:23:20,445 --> 00:23:22,225
Oh, yeah, we definitely
will have some methane.
464
00:23:22,245 --> 00:23:23,545
You see the bubbles already flowing.
Oh, yeah.
465
00:23:24,065 --> 00:23:25,185
Look at the bubbles
that are flowing.
466
00:23:25,205 --> 00:23:26,205
Look at that.
467
00:23:26,225 --> 00:23:29,065
There it goes, there it goes.
There see.
468
00:23:29,085 --> 00:23:32,265
I can feel the pressure building up
against my thumb.
469
00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,065
Methane is flammable.
470
00:23:34,085 --> 00:23:35,285
Mm-hm.
471
00:23:35,305 --> 00:23:39,065
Any ideas
how it spontaneously combusts?
472
00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:42,125
It'd have to be like a arc
from a amber.
473
00:23:42,145 --> 00:23:43,145
Could it be lightening?
474
00:23:43,165 --> 00:23:44,205
Lightening hitting a tree.
475
00:23:44,225 --> 00:23:47,485
Almost there. Here we go.
476
00:23:47,505 --> 00:23:49,545
Alright, I feel the pressure
building up,
477
00:23:50,065 --> 00:23:52,225
thinking maybe
we should just give it a try.
478
00:23:52,245 --> 00:23:54,485
Are you ready?
So, you go ahead and light.
479
00:23:54,505 --> 00:23:57,505
Three, two, one. Take a step back.
480
00:23:57,525 --> 00:23:58,545
Whoa!
481
00:24:03,405 --> 00:24:07,445
In 1966,
witnesses claim they saw a UFO
482
00:24:07,465 --> 00:24:11,245
with three bright lights
flying over Dexter, Michigan.
483
00:24:11,265 --> 00:24:13,085
Dr J Allen Hynek,
484
00:24:13,105 --> 00:24:14,325
the UFO Investigator
485
00:24:14,345 --> 00:24:17,325
for the Air Force's top secret
Project Blue Book,
486
00:24:17,345 --> 00:24:20,365
claimed the lights came
from burning swamp gas fires.
487
00:24:21,445 --> 00:24:24,105
Ben Hansen is conducting
an experiment
488
00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:26,485
to prove Dr Hynek wrong.
489
00:24:26,505 --> 00:24:28,385
So, you go ahead and light it.
490
00:24:28,405 --> 00:24:31,365
Three, two, one.
491
00:24:31,385 --> 00:24:33,045
Whoa!
492
00:24:33,065 --> 00:24:35,265
That would freak me out
if I was in the swamp.
493
00:24:35,285 --> 00:24:36,305
Yeah.
494
00:24:36,325 --> 00:24:38,445
I would never report that as a UFO
495
00:24:38,465 --> 00:24:41,385
but I would be high-tailing it
outta there that's for sure.
496
00:24:41,405 --> 00:24:44,105
This is exactly what would happen
with swamp gas.
497
00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:48,045
And see that's the problem I have
498
00:24:48,065 --> 00:24:51,245
with the official explanation
of this incident.
499
00:24:51,265 --> 00:24:53,265
A lot of witnesses
are reporting this
500
00:24:53,285 --> 00:24:55,245
up to 500 feet above...
501
00:24:55,265 --> 00:24:56,505
Oh, no.
..or maybe a 1,000.
502
00:24:56,525 --> 00:24:58,425
That's ridiculous.
503
00:24:58,445 --> 00:25:00,505
The Mannors,
the Hillsdale college students
504
00:25:00,525 --> 00:25:03,405
and numerous other Dexter residents
all stated
505
00:25:03,425 --> 00:25:07,305
they saw three fixed distinct lights
of different colours.
506
00:25:08,525 --> 00:25:09,525
There were three lights,
507
00:25:10,045 --> 00:25:11,385
a amber one,
508
00:25:11,405 --> 00:25:13,265
a red one and a blue one.
509
00:25:13,285 --> 00:25:15,305
In fact Sheriff Harvey's deputies
510
00:25:15,325 --> 00:25:18,365
claim to have chased the craft down
a country road.
511
00:25:18,385 --> 00:25:21,065
Well, it moved very rapidly
512
00:25:21,085 --> 00:25:22,465
in the direction
it wanted to go.
513
00:25:22,485 --> 00:25:25,525
None of their descriptions
comes close to the flames
514
00:25:26,045 --> 00:25:27,365
Ben has created in this swamp.
515
00:25:28,405 --> 00:25:30,265
This is really intense.
516
00:25:30,285 --> 00:25:34,325
So, we've, we've reached
the max capacity of, of this effect
517
00:25:34,345 --> 00:25:38,185
and yet we're still so far beneath
518
00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:41,265
what the witnesses were saying
as far as height,
519
00:25:41,285 --> 00:25:42,425
as far as different colours.
520
00:25:42,445 --> 00:25:43,445
Oh, yeah.
521
00:25:43,465 --> 00:25:44,485
What we've just done
522
00:25:44,505 --> 00:25:47,385
is debunk the idea
that this could be swamp gas.
523
00:25:47,405 --> 00:25:51,365
Nature could not have created
what these witnesses saw.
524
00:25:51,385 --> 00:25:56,165
I'm firmly convinced
that is not what took place in 1966.
525
00:26:01,285 --> 00:26:05,445
So, I have a Geiger counter
for a couple of reasons.
526
00:26:07,225 --> 00:26:11,165
This is the, the location
where the UFO incident took place
527
00:26:11,185 --> 00:26:14,385
and any time that we have
528
00:26:14,405 --> 00:26:18,185
the actual location pinned down
I like to do just a baseline sweep,
529
00:26:18,205 --> 00:26:22,185
see if there's anything unusual
about this geography
530
00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:24,425
that might attract
whoever they are to come here
531
00:26:24,445 --> 00:26:26,305
or if there's anything
residual left.
532
00:26:26,325 --> 00:26:28,185
It's been over 50 years.
533
00:26:28,205 --> 00:26:31,165
But the other reason
is because a swamp
534
00:26:31,185 --> 00:26:35,505
is basically decomposing
organic material.
535
00:26:35,525 --> 00:26:40,265
If there's any truth to the idea
that this was swamp gas,
536
00:26:40,285 --> 00:26:43,245
another side effect
of that we could say
537
00:26:43,265 --> 00:26:45,325
would be
that the decomposing material
538
00:26:45,345 --> 00:26:47,505
might give off radioactivity.
539
00:26:49,185 --> 00:26:51,065
Actually get down
into the water here
540
00:26:51,085 --> 00:26:53,505
where the, the most decomposition
is happening.
541
00:26:55,165 --> 00:26:57,385
The needle's not really fluctuating
at all.
542
00:26:59,225 --> 00:27:01,505
You can smell
the decomposition here.
543
00:27:01,525 --> 00:27:04,345
This is really nasty stuff.
544
00:27:04,365 --> 00:27:05,425
Alright.
545
00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:07,085
I am getting a little bit.
546
00:27:07,105 --> 00:27:09,145
There's a tiny bit
of background radiation,
547
00:27:09,165 --> 00:27:10,265
very small.
548
00:27:10,285 --> 00:27:13,065
To be honest though
I generally get more radiation
549
00:27:13,085 --> 00:27:17,105
coming from just going
into a forest than I am seeing here.
550
00:27:18,305 --> 00:27:21,445
All of this material
is decomposing underneath me here.
551
00:27:23,465 --> 00:27:27,285
I'm absolutely getting nothing.
Which is unusual.
552
00:27:27,305 --> 00:27:28,385
It's completely opposite.
553
00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:31,405
I would expect there to be
a little bit.
554
00:27:33,045 --> 00:27:37,065
Now, that doesn't mean
that there's no radioactivity here
555
00:27:37,085 --> 00:27:39,345
but it is a little strange.
556
00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:45,265
Something right here,
it's just so minute though.
557
00:27:45,285 --> 00:27:47,405
My conclusion of the investigation
558
00:27:47,425 --> 00:27:51,325
of the site of the Dexter incident
is that number one,
559
00:27:51,345 --> 00:27:54,205
there's nothing I'm able to find
that's quite unusual
560
00:27:54,225 --> 00:27:56,205
about this location now.
561
00:27:56,225 --> 00:27:59,345
I've tested radiation,
it seems to be you know baseline.
562
00:28:00,365 --> 00:28:02,505
I, I tried to kick up some methane
563
00:28:02,525 --> 00:28:05,165
and we tried an experiment to try
and light.
564
00:28:05,185 --> 00:28:07,305
Now, it doesn't mean
there's not any here.
565
00:28:07,325 --> 00:28:09,225
In the end, I do not believe
566
00:28:09,245 --> 00:28:12,205
this is what those witnesses saw
in 1966.
567
00:28:12,225 --> 00:28:13,425
This was not swamp gas.
568
00:28:15,165 --> 00:28:17,445
Ben feels confident
this proves the Government
569
00:28:17,465 --> 00:28:22,245
covered up the existence
of the Dexter UFO in 1966.
570
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:26,485
But what about
the Phoenix Lights UFO of 1997?
571
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:30,185
Can Ben prove the Government tried
to cover that up as well
572
00:28:30,205 --> 00:28:32,445
and the lights were attached
to a UFO
573
00:28:32,465 --> 00:28:37,085
and not caused by flares
set off during a military exercise?
574
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:44,505
One local Arizona politician claims
to have valuable information.
575
00:28:44,525 --> 00:28:48,345
Frances Barwood was a councilwoman
at the time of the incident.
576
00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:52,205
Hi, you must be Frances?
577
00:28:52,225 --> 00:28:53,245
I am.
I'm Ben.
578
00:28:53,265 --> 00:28:54,485
Hi, Ben. Nice to meet you.
Thank you.
579
00:28:54,505 --> 00:28:56,205
Thank you for agreeing...
Come on in.
580
00:28:56,225 --> 00:28:58,065
..to meet with me.
581
00:28:58,085 --> 00:29:02,045
So, I talked to Dr Kitei
582
00:29:02,065 --> 00:29:05,485
and I was in a room filled
with people
583
00:29:05,505 --> 00:29:08,145
who have seen
strange objects and lights
584
00:29:08,165 --> 00:29:12,085
just recently and then also back
in 1997 when the event took place.
585
00:29:12,105 --> 00:29:13,105
Mm-hm.
586
00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:16,265
Can you tell me your journey
through what happened
587
00:29:16,285 --> 00:29:19,185
in your exploration trying
to find the truth?
588
00:29:19,205 --> 00:29:22,405
Well, I was approached
by a reporter and he said
589
00:29:22,425 --> 00:29:24,325
he wanted to talk to me
about this object
590
00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:26,065
that went over Phoenix.
591
00:29:26,085 --> 00:29:29,305
Can you find out
if anybody's investigating?
592
00:29:29,325 --> 00:29:33,325
Well, his article appeared
in Saturday's paper
593
00:29:33,345 --> 00:29:36,265
and then I get
into the office on Monday
594
00:29:36,285 --> 00:29:39,085
and my voice mail was filled.
595
00:29:39,105 --> 00:29:40,105
Oh, wow.
596
00:29:40,125 --> 00:29:42,125
And it was like
this was overwhelming,
597
00:29:42,145 --> 00:29:45,325
I got like over 700 people calling
598
00:29:45,345 --> 00:29:48,085
and I started calling them all back
599
00:29:48,105 --> 00:29:52,165
and what was amazing to me,
they were all the same description.
600
00:29:54,365 --> 00:29:57,085
How many people
that you know can describe
601
00:29:57,105 --> 00:29:58,385
the same thing unless it's...
602
00:29:58,405 --> 00:29:59,405
they actually saw it?
603
00:29:59,425 --> 00:30:00,425
Yeah.
604
00:30:00,445 --> 00:30:02,185
Each one of those people
I talked to,
605
00:30:02,205 --> 00:30:04,205
it was with many others,
606
00:30:04,225 --> 00:30:07,145
when you add it all up
it's thousands.
607
00:30:07,165 --> 00:30:10,105
And so I asked for an investigation.
608
00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:11,185
OK.
609
00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:14,285
Councilwoman Barwood
took the formal steps to initiate
610
00:30:14,305 --> 00:30:18,225
a Government-backed investigation
into the Phoenix Lights.
611
00:30:18,245 --> 00:30:19,465
But she was
stonewalled
612
00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:21,085
by the
State's Governor
613
00:30:21,105 --> 00:30:23,325
at the time,
Fife Symington.
614
00:30:23,345 --> 00:30:26,525
I got this memo and it said,
"this is a non-issue".
615
00:30:27,045 --> 00:30:28,265
They didn't wanna touch it.
616
00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:29,305
That's so odd.
617
00:30:29,325 --> 00:30:31,185
I don't know why they would do that.
618
00:30:31,205 --> 00:30:34,285
After hitting a dead end
with the local politicians,
619
00:30:34,305 --> 00:30:37,525
Frances appealed to the public
to apply pressure to the Government.
620
00:30:39,065 --> 00:30:41,465
I told everybody
to call the Governor's office...
621
00:30:41,485 --> 00:30:42,485
OK.
622
00:30:42,505 --> 00:30:44,285
..because you know
he's the Head of State,
623
00:30:44,305 --> 00:30:46,225
he could maybe help.
624
00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:48,445
The flood of calls
couldn't be ignored
625
00:30:48,465 --> 00:30:51,105
and the Governor
had to make an announcement
626
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,185
at an emergency press conference.
627
00:30:53,205 --> 00:30:55,105
In response I suggested that
628
00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:56,185
it was time to end months
629
00:30:56,205 --> 00:30:57,285
of speculation on the question.
630
00:30:57,305 --> 00:30:59,405
And he said and we caught
one of the perpetrators.
631
00:30:59,425 --> 00:31:01,425
Escort the accused into the room
632
00:31:01,445 --> 00:31:04,125
so, that we may all look
upon the guilty party.
633
00:31:06,085 --> 00:31:08,385
And this just goes to show that
you guys are entirely too serious.
634
00:31:09,425 --> 00:31:11,045
It's shocking to me.
635
00:31:11,065 --> 00:31:13,105
It's like they're making
a joke of this.
636
00:31:13,125 --> 00:31:15,185
I imagine this was not funny at all
637
00:31:15,205 --> 00:31:17,345
to the people
who actually witnessed,
638
00:31:17,365 --> 00:31:20,485
I've talked to people
who were within 30 feet of it
639
00:31:20,505 --> 00:31:23,225
and could see the details
of the craft.
640
00:31:23,245 --> 00:31:24,485
That is not funny.
641
00:31:24,505 --> 00:31:29,225
No, it's not and,
and it was not like him at all.
642
00:31:29,245 --> 00:31:31,225
Fife has no sense of humour.
643
00:31:31,245 --> 00:31:34,365
There is no way that he put
that all together.
644
00:31:34,385 --> 00:31:38,505
I think he did it
because they put pressure on him.
645
00:31:43,045 --> 00:31:46,325
Like Dr Hynek in 1966
it seems Governor Symington
646
00:31:46,345 --> 00:31:49,265
was pressed to deny
the existence of UFOs.
647
00:31:50,285 --> 00:31:52,405
Councilwoman Barwood
was more convinced
648
00:31:52,425 --> 00:31:56,185
of the cover-up than ever
and days later she was contacted
649
00:31:56,205 --> 00:32:00,325
by a local veteran who claimed
to possess irrefutable evidence.
650
00:32:00,345 --> 00:32:04,285
I got a phone call
from a man named Richard Curtis
651
00:32:04,305 --> 00:32:07,025
and he said he got this
all on video.
652
00:32:08,505 --> 00:32:11,405
Unlike the video shot
by Dr Lynne Kitei
653
00:32:11,425 --> 00:32:14,345
which shows a group of lights
with no visible craft.
654
00:32:15,385 --> 00:32:18,445
Richard Curtis claimed
he recorded a details video
655
00:32:18,465 --> 00:32:22,285
that showed the lights
were part of one space craft.
656
00:32:22,305 --> 00:32:25,225
Richard promised to send
a copy of his video evidence
657
00:32:25,245 --> 00:32:28,165
to Frances' office
but when he called back
658
00:32:28,185 --> 00:32:30,245
a week later it was clear
659
00:32:30,265 --> 00:32:33,145
someone in the shadows
had other plans.
660
00:32:33,165 --> 00:32:35,385
He goes, "What did you think
of the video?"
661
00:32:35,405 --> 00:32:38,045
I said, "I didn't get a video."
662
00:32:38,065 --> 00:32:39,445
He said, "Oh, well, they came
from your office."
663
00:32:41,085 --> 00:32:43,325
Two men claiming to be
from France's office
664
00:32:43,345 --> 00:32:47,085
convinced Richard to hand over
the only copy of the video.
665
00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:50,125
I don't have a man working
in my office.
666
00:32:50,145 --> 00:32:51,305
I have three women.
667
00:32:52,465 --> 00:32:54,385
Oh, my gosh!
668
00:32:54,405 --> 00:32:58,165
So I said,
"OK, what did they look like?"
669
00:32:58,185 --> 00:33:00,385
"They were in three-piece suits
with hats."
670
00:33:00,405 --> 00:33:05,105
Now, mind you this is July,
it's 110 degrees out,
671
00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:08,185
and so it was like,
"Oh, my goodness."
672
00:33:08,205 --> 00:33:11,165
Well, then Richard Curtis
got really sick
673
00:33:11,185 --> 00:33:14,265
and they took him out by ambulance
and nobody's ever seen him again.
674
00:33:15,505 --> 00:33:18,065
Nobody knows where he is?
No.
675
00:33:18,085 --> 00:33:19,405
Neighbours of his said
676
00:33:19,425 --> 00:33:21,065
they changed
his medication,
677
00:33:21,085 --> 00:33:22,085
he had
a bad reaction,
678
00:33:22,105 --> 00:33:23,245
they had to take him
to the hospital
679
00:33:23,265 --> 00:33:25,185
and he never came back.
680
00:33:25,205 --> 00:33:27,365
Do we, do we know
if he's in the obituaries?
681
00:33:27,385 --> 00:33:29,025
If, if he's passed?
682
00:33:29,045 --> 00:33:31,425
Nothing. Not more information.
683
00:33:31,445 --> 00:33:36,105
And I'm thinking,
how did they know he called me?
684
00:33:36,125 --> 00:33:37,225
It was kinda creepy.
685
00:33:37,245 --> 00:33:38,365
According to Frances,
686
00:33:38,385 --> 00:33:41,405
a private investigator
checked her home phone line
687
00:33:41,425 --> 00:33:43,325
and made a shocking discovery.
688
00:33:43,345 --> 00:33:45,465
He said,
"You have a tap on your line,
689
00:33:45,485 --> 00:33:48,405
"it's coming from the Government,
Federal Government."
690
00:33:48,425 --> 00:33:50,045
Are you serious?
691
00:33:50,065 --> 00:33:52,445
Somebody was tapping your phone,
692
00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:55,405
intercepted a conversation
you had with a witness...
693
00:33:55,425 --> 00:33:56,425
Mm-hm.
694
00:33:56,445 --> 00:34:00,045
..and then showed up saying that
they were coming on your behalf
695
00:34:00,065 --> 00:34:04,285
to get possibly the only clear video
of the event that's out there.
696
00:34:04,305 --> 00:34:05,305
Right.
697
00:34:05,325 --> 00:34:08,025
It usually got to be
face-to-face meetings a lot.
698
00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:10,385
In an effort
to protect her witnesses,
699
00:34:10,405 --> 00:34:13,165
Frances handed off her notes
to a friend.
700
00:34:13,185 --> 00:34:15,045
It was put in his safe
701
00:34:15,065 --> 00:34:17,405
and they were broken into
and it was taken.
702
00:34:19,205 --> 00:34:20,205
Are you serious?
703
00:34:20,225 --> 00:34:22,225
And I imagine you discussed
that on the phone
704
00:34:22,245 --> 00:34:23,465
that you were gonna bring it to him?
705
00:34:25,125 --> 00:34:26,145
Before I knew.
706
00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,305
Before you knew
you were being tapped.
707
00:34:30,325 --> 00:34:33,425
I'm sorry, it's...it's...
it really, really frustrates me.
708
00:34:33,445 --> 00:34:37,285
It was very frustrating
because it's...it's like...
709
00:34:37,305 --> 00:34:42,085
in...in my own self
I feel like I've failed.
710
00:34:42,105 --> 00:34:44,145
The investigation wasn't completed.
711
00:34:44,165 --> 00:34:45,225
There was no answer
712
00:34:45,245 --> 00:34:47,125
and there was nothing more
I could do.
713
00:34:47,145 --> 00:34:49,345
There was nobody else
I could go to. Nothing.
714
00:34:50,485 --> 00:34:52,085
Do you, do you have any idea
715
00:34:52,105 --> 00:34:55,165
who these people might be
that are tapping your phone?
716
00:34:55,185 --> 00:34:57,105
Well, I was told a long time ago
717
00:34:57,125 --> 00:35:00,205
that there's the Government you see
and there's the Shadow Government.
718
00:35:01,345 --> 00:35:05,325
It's not elected officials.
It's not the hired officials.
719
00:35:05,345 --> 00:35:08,125
It's beyond that.
720
00:35:08,145 --> 00:35:10,465
But the question remains,
why is the Government
721
00:35:10,485 --> 00:35:13,305
covering up the existence of UFOs.
722
00:35:13,325 --> 00:35:15,505
Frances believes they are afraid.
723
00:35:16,025 --> 00:35:19,445
Why do you harass and, and wire tap
724
00:35:19,465 --> 00:35:23,265
and take away the evidence
from people who saw it?
725
00:35:23,285 --> 00:35:26,345
Because the Government knows
that it's not them.
726
00:35:26,365 --> 00:35:28,105
That's my only theory.
727
00:35:28,125 --> 00:35:31,245
And so they're afraid
of losing power.
728
00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:32,285
Yeah.
729
00:35:34,205 --> 00:35:36,245
I believe that
the Phoenix Lights event
730
00:35:36,265 --> 00:35:39,365
was not only
a massive Government cover-up
731
00:35:39,385 --> 00:35:41,165
but a smear campaign.
732
00:35:41,185 --> 00:35:43,365
Frances Barwood
led this whole crusade,
733
00:35:43,385 --> 00:35:45,285
her phone was wire tapped.
734
00:35:45,305 --> 00:35:47,465
The Government and whoever
735
00:35:47,485 --> 00:35:51,065
the secret keepers
are did a very effective job
736
00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:52,205
in covering this up.
737
00:35:56,105 --> 00:35:58,285
To uncover
how the conspirators deploy
738
00:35:58,305 --> 00:36:01,325
and enact
their disinformation campaign,
739
00:36:01,345 --> 00:36:03,405
Ben arranges a sit down with a man
740
00:36:03,425 --> 00:36:07,345
who recently identified himself
as a Shadow Government pawn,
741
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:11,245
who was consistently deployed
to cover up Government secrets.
742
00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,285
Rick, thank you for meeting me here.
743
00:36:15,305 --> 00:36:18,225
If someone had a legit sighting
they wanted to dissuade
744
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:19,325
or distract the public,
745
00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:22,225
the person that they would call
to do that is you?
746
00:36:22,245 --> 00:36:23,365
It would be us.
747
00:36:23,385 --> 00:36:25,445
Special agents
were the Air Force Officer
748
00:36:25,465 --> 00:36:28,205
of Special Investigations
Counter-Intelligence Division.
749
00:36:28,225 --> 00:36:29,225
Wow!
750
00:36:29,245 --> 00:36:30,285
OK.
751
00:36:30,305 --> 00:36:33,185
I was stationed in Area 51
in the '80s.
752
00:36:33,205 --> 00:36:35,125
You were!
I have a badge to prove it.
753
00:36:36,425 --> 00:36:38,085
You don't think it still works,
do you?
754
00:36:38,105 --> 00:36:39,385
No, I don't think it still works.
755
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:42,065
The civilian
sightings
756
00:36:42,085 --> 00:36:43,165
were done by
757
00:36:43,185 --> 00:36:45,185
Project Blue Book investigators
758
00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:49,045
but the real mysterious cases
759
00:36:49,065 --> 00:36:51,165
were handled by the Air Force Office
of Special Investigations.
760
00:36:51,185 --> 00:36:54,225
If someone has
a legitimate UFO sighting
761
00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:58,285
and the Government comes in
to discredit them
762
00:36:58,305 --> 00:37:00,065
how do they go about doing that?
763
00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:01,125
That was part of our job.
764
00:37:01,145 --> 00:37:03,425
We went out,
tried to dis-inform people
765
00:37:03,445 --> 00:37:05,325
who have had UFO sightings.
766
00:37:07,205 --> 00:37:08,205
And there's manuals
767
00:37:08,225 --> 00:37:11,425
that governs exactly
how we, we do that.
768
00:37:11,445 --> 00:37:15,445
It's actually written policy
like how to go about doing this?
769
00:37:15,465 --> 00:37:16,505
Yes.
770
00:37:18,205 --> 00:37:20,485
And I have some information here
771
00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:23,185
Wow! Wow!
772
00:37:23,205 --> 00:37:24,425
'Cause I've always suspected
773
00:37:24,445 --> 00:37:26,505
but I didn't know
that there was a play-book.
774
00:37:28,205 --> 00:37:29,425
There's a play-book.
775
00:37:29,445 --> 00:37:34,065
That manual particularly dictates
some other thing that the Air Force
776
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:37,165
can blame it on and exactly
how we try to discredit people.
777
00:37:37,185 --> 00:37:38,205
Oh, my gosh!
778
00:37:38,225 --> 00:37:41,045
There were incidents
where the sighting
779
00:37:41,065 --> 00:37:42,185
was in fact a UFO.
780
00:37:42,205 --> 00:37:45,025
We knew it was not
from this earth...
781
00:37:46,285 --> 00:37:47,325
extraterrestrial.
782
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,465
Ben Hansen is meeting
with Rick Doty,
783
00:37:55,485 --> 00:37:58,145
a former Agent
of the Shadow Government.
784
00:37:58,165 --> 00:38:01,265
He claims he was one
of the Air Force Special Agents
785
00:38:01,285 --> 00:38:05,385
sent out to cover up the existence
of UFOs.
786
00:38:05,405 --> 00:38:07,385
There were incidents
where the sighting
787
00:38:07,405 --> 00:38:08,485
was in a fact a UFO.
788
00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:11,345
We knew it was not
from this earth...
789
00:38:13,105 --> 00:38:15,085
extraterrestrial.
790
00:38:15,105 --> 00:38:19,345
Those particular sightings
we had to dis-inform the public.
791
00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:22,305
We gotta make those people,
make them think that what,
792
00:38:22,325 --> 00:38:25,145
what they saw
was something other than a UFO,
793
00:38:25,165 --> 00:38:29,085
such as Mars or Venus
or a swamp gas.
794
00:38:29,105 --> 00:38:30,325
That is incredible.
795
00:38:30,345 --> 00:38:34,045
I've been investigating
the case from 1966
796
00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:35,365
in Dexter, Michigan
797
00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:38,445
and a lot of people there
were made to believe
798
00:38:38,465 --> 00:38:42,085
that this incident
was nothing more than swamp gas.
799
00:38:42,105 --> 00:38:43,345
Do you think the Government
was involved?
800
00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:44,405
Yes.
801
00:38:44,425 --> 00:38:47,105
It sounds like the, the Government
was involved in that.
802
00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:48,265
For example,
803
00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:51,165
the Phoenix Lights,
more recently 1997.
804
00:38:51,185 --> 00:38:53,485
They come out and say "flares".
805
00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:56,285
Do you see the same pattern
repeating here?
806
00:38:56,305 --> 00:38:58,185
Yes.
807
00:38:58,205 --> 00:39:00,165
There's a special unit
808
00:39:00,185 --> 00:39:02,465
and they're now classified
as the Men in Black.
809
00:39:02,485 --> 00:39:05,105
These people are trained to go out
810
00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:08,185
and then collect intelligence
in a, in a very mysterious manner.
811
00:39:08,205 --> 00:39:11,105
They were the master of disguises
812
00:39:11,125 --> 00:39:13,125
and then they'll come in
more secretly.
813
00:39:13,145 --> 00:39:15,425
They won't come in
as, as spreading out
814
00:39:15,445 --> 00:39:17,185
their badges and credentials.
815
00:39:18,345 --> 00:39:21,165
Are you familiar
with, with a lot of the details
816
00:39:21,185 --> 00:39:22,265
of the Dexter case?
817
00:39:22,285 --> 00:39:25,385
Yeah, I saw it
in a classified report, yes.
818
00:39:25,405 --> 00:39:27,145
Because I talked to Ron Mannor,
819
00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:28,485
who's the son of Frank Mannor,
820
00:39:29,005 --> 00:39:33,205
and both father,
son saw this object.
821
00:39:33,225 --> 00:39:36,065
Is it possible
that someone came to his dad
822
00:39:36,085 --> 00:39:38,265
and kinda helped him change
his story?
823
00:39:38,285 --> 00:39:41,105
That sounds like something
we was assigned to do.
824
00:39:42,445 --> 00:39:47,185
Over time, Frank Mannor's account
of the Dexter UFO incident changed
825
00:39:47,205 --> 00:39:49,405
and the public lost faith
in his story.
826
00:39:49,425 --> 00:39:52,425
But is it possible
he was one of the victims
827
00:39:52,445 --> 00:39:56,045
of a Government campaign
to hide the truth?
828
00:39:56,065 --> 00:39:57,405
You know, I investigated
a lot of incidents
829
00:39:57,425 --> 00:40:01,065
where I dis-informed people
or dis-informed the public.
830
00:40:01,085 --> 00:40:03,305
I believed that we had a mission
and we were doing
831
00:40:03,325 --> 00:40:06,245
what we were supposed to do
and we were protecting society
832
00:40:06,265 --> 00:40:08,365
and we were protecting
the national defence.
833
00:40:08,385 --> 00:40:10,445
But the reason I come and speak now
834
00:40:10,465 --> 00:40:13,305
is because I don't believe
that we did it right.
835
00:40:13,325 --> 00:40:16,365
There's this thread
of disinformation that is making
836
00:40:16,385 --> 00:40:20,365
it very difficult for us to know
what is true and what is not.
837
00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:23,445
Why is the Government covering up
these UFO sightings?
838
00:40:23,465 --> 00:40:25,325
They're not gonna go
to the public and say,
839
00:40:25,345 --> 00:40:27,365
"You know what,
we just had an incident
840
00:40:27,385 --> 00:40:29,045
"in Dexter and it was an unknown."
841
00:40:29,065 --> 00:40:30,205
Imagine what the American people,
842
00:40:30,225 --> 00:40:31,485
especially people around Dexter,
would think?
843
00:40:32,005 --> 00:40:34,225
My God, are we being invaded?
844
00:40:34,245 --> 00:40:36,125
They had to cover it up.
It's an unknown.
845
00:40:36,145 --> 00:40:38,365
It's about time the public knows.
846
00:40:38,385 --> 00:40:41,405
They need to know.
They deserve to know.
847
00:40:41,425 --> 00:40:43,185
I thank you so much
for filling me in
848
00:40:43,205 --> 00:40:44,205
and giving me these insights.
849
00:40:44,225 --> 00:40:46,145
This, this is amazing.
850
00:40:46,165 --> 00:40:48,145
After hearing Rick's disclosure,
851
00:40:48,165 --> 00:40:50,365
Ben decides to call Frances Barwood
852
00:40:50,385 --> 00:40:53,365
and update her
with what he's uncovered.
853
00:40:53,385 --> 00:40:56,125
Frances, hi, it's Ben Hansen.
How are you doing?
854
00:40:56,145 --> 00:40:57,485
I'm doing good, Ben.
855
00:40:58,005 --> 00:41:00,345
I have some very interesting
information for you.
856
00:41:00,365 --> 00:41:03,225
Somebody who actually worked
for the Air Force,
857
00:41:03,245 --> 00:41:05,185
his name is Rick Doty.
858
00:41:05,205 --> 00:41:11,065
Rick tells me that his job
was to actually contact witnesses
859
00:41:11,085 --> 00:41:13,165
who believed they'd seen
UFO sightings
860
00:41:13,185 --> 00:41:15,365
and to discredit them
861
00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:18,225
to the degree
that they even had them believing
862
00:41:18,245 --> 00:41:20,145
that they themselves were crazy.
863
00:41:20,165 --> 00:41:24,025
I was just blown away
by...by his disclosure.
864
00:41:24,045 --> 00:41:25,365
How does that make you feel?
865
00:41:47,245 --> 00:41:49,265
And, and that's what
I wanna ask you,
866
00:41:49,285 --> 00:41:50,365
what are they afraid of?
867
00:41:50,385 --> 00:41:52,025
Do you think the Government believes
868
00:41:52,045 --> 00:41:54,365
that UFOs
are a national security threat?
869
00:42:14,225 --> 00:42:18,065
Thank you so much for your courage
and your efforts in this
870
00:42:18,085 --> 00:42:19,485
and taking these witnesses seriously
871
00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:22,045
and bringing
their statements forward.
872
00:42:22,065 --> 00:42:23,185
Thank you.
Alright.
873
00:42:23,205 --> 00:42:25,245
Talking with Frances Barwood
and telling her
874
00:42:25,265 --> 00:42:27,085
what Rick Doty said it,
875
00:42:27,105 --> 00:42:29,425
it really brings
everything full circle.
876
00:42:29,445 --> 00:42:32,225
I fully believe
that what she experienced
877
00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:35,465
with these men in black
and the video being taken and her,
878
00:42:35,485 --> 00:42:39,345
her phone being tapped
could possibly be exactly
879
00:42:39,365 --> 00:42:41,285
the type of thing that Rick Doty
was working on
880
00:42:41,305 --> 00:42:43,185
with the Air Force
in his special duties.
881
00:42:43,205 --> 00:42:47,225
This is what the Government does
to cover up the UFO story.
882
00:42:48,485 --> 00:42:51,405
We have seen this decade
after decade.
883
00:42:51,425 --> 00:42:55,025
If you go back
from 1966 in Dexter, Michigan
884
00:42:55,045 --> 00:42:58,325
to 1997 the Phoenix Lights
till now,
885
00:42:58,345 --> 00:43:02,285
we've confirmed that the Government
has provided disinformation.
886
00:43:02,305 --> 00:43:03,465
Swamp gas!
887
00:43:03,485 --> 00:43:06,005
Interfered
with the UFO investigations,
888
00:43:06,025 --> 00:43:09,285
tampered with the witnesses
and they're controlling the media.
889
00:43:09,305 --> 00:43:10,445
The Government comes out
890
00:43:10,465 --> 00:43:14,005
with such
a ridiculous explanation.
891
00:43:14,025 --> 00:43:15,045
Whoa!
892
00:43:15,065 --> 00:43:17,105
It insults
the intelligence
893
00:43:17,125 --> 00:43:18,125
of these very
894
00:43:18,145 --> 00:43:19,205
credible
witnesses.
895
00:43:19,225 --> 00:43:20,225
There was
a sense of
896
00:43:20,245 --> 00:43:21,385
kind of a...
a betrayal.
897
00:43:21,405 --> 00:43:24,045
And after all of this, for what?
898
00:43:24,065 --> 00:43:26,005
It's absolutely
shocking,
899
00:43:26,025 --> 00:43:27,205
it's
disheartening
900
00:43:27,225 --> 00:43:28,285
and to think
that it still
901
00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:29,405
might be going on today.
902
00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:32,425
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