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[sil.] Okay, let's go.
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Well, let's fuck it. Well, look,
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here is what. Shit, I hate these
things. You can never ever open
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them. Shit. Never once have I successfully
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opened a bottle by palm, and yet
everybody else seem to be able to.
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Oh, well. Here is what I've got.
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Every time anybody tries to
apply a rule to this business, it's full
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of shit. Because this business
is too chaotic for any rule to
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make any sense. You want to work.
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You want to work at your... being an actor.
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And that's what any actor does if they are 80
years old or whatever. They were just... or
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17 or anything in between. You want to work
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at being an actor, which is a
process, it really doesn't never stop.
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And after a while, people just say, "Oh,
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he is still here." And then that
begins to count for something.
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I mean, years have to go by
before they started to saying that.
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And they spend a lot of energies, like,
trying to beat your way with a baseball bat.
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But then they say, "Oh,
is he still here? Yeah.
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We're at five, Austin.
Maybe, you are at five.
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Okay. Okay. Jesus Christ.
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Almighty. Shut the door. If this
guy didn't look the way he looks,
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he has got a stutter and he is,
you know, fight whatever he is
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and he is funny looking guy and his
hair is all screwy. He beat Marlon Brando.
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Come with a team. I'm sorry, I
haven't come up to introduce myself, it's
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bad form. It's probably the excitement of meeting
you for the first time. My heart is going mile a
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minute. By the way, you can just feel it pounding.
Can't you feel it? Yes, I think I can. People in
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the universe who we think are
celebrities and stars, they think of Austin
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in that caliber. I don't think that's
quite a situation. I want an answer from
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you. I'll look at you, which will be a seldom's
possible. He is the renaissance man. There can be no
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true art without living. He acts,
he teaches, he directs, he writes.
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Look at there, I got him thinking, I got him
thinking. You only have to watch his acting to know
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that he is a fan of working in a way that
we likely all kind of dream of working.
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It's machine to silly. Look, you
just press yes or no. But suppose
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my answer is maybe. There
is no line between the man
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and his work. It's almost as if there
are all these other actors in the play
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or the movie and then they dropped this real guy
in the middle of everything. Can you see him? Yeah.
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Are you sure. On stage,
he just stole the show,
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always. I've never seen anyone get more fan mail.
The fan mail starts with you changed my life.
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We talk about Austin being the most famous unfamous
person in the world, but the truth is he is actually quite
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famous, because he is famous in the right
way, because of merit rather than notoriety.
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He seems to have a never ending
source of energy. I'm saving your life,
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hop in. Everybody knows Austin,
whether they met him or not.
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He makes the six degrees of separation thing kind of look like ridiculous,
because it is more like one or two degrees and that is all I know.
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Life is an anecdote, this is really
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one amazing story really.
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Hi, AP.
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You're looking down there.
People still call you AP?
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Oh, yes. You can have Cobb
salad work again tonight. Oh, God.
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You live for this? I do. It could
be said. It could be said. Yeah.
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Hi there. Yeah, great, great.
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Who wants pennies. Yes.
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[sil.]
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Don't tell anyone, but
yeah, I gave Rachel a dime.
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[sil.]
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There, Louie. That gives you
some idea of my admiration for you.
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Okay. I'm gonna sit places.
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Great. We'll go back to the same
page, please. Hello, hello, my friend.
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I've been waiting for long time to
see you. Gentleman, you've turned
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my study into a tavern again.
I've told you all, one and all,
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a thousand times. Look at this, vodka
is spilled all over my paper scrums.
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I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. One
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thousand one hundred
rules. Now you take it with you
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today, give it to her with your own
hands and you say, Saritha Sarishna
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I hope you choke on it.
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Only be careful not to let them know
that you got it from me, otherwise.
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Otherwise I'll give
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them my neck and goose
break coutures. What? All right,
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okay. Never mind,
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never mind. We are here
with Austin Pendleton,
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since making his Broadway debut in
the original Fiddler on the Roof, he has
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had principal roles in over 30
movies, many TV shows and
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countless stage productions.
He won an Obie for the
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The Last Sweet Days of Isaac,
did Uncle Vanya with Steppenwolf
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Company and Shakespeare of Broadway and
appeared in doubles in The Diary of Anne Frank
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on Broadway. In movie,
he was the condemned man
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in the 1974 remake of
The Front Page. A stuttering
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lawyer in My Cousin Vinny, a math professor
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in A Beautiful Mind, and a
fish in Finding Nemo. He is also
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a play writer and a director.
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This is a place call Old John's.
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This is the place we are going
to eat, this is the place to go to
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when you are working at Lincoln Center, and
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it's killing me.
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[sil.]
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I'm thinking of having a Fettuccine
Alfredo with chicken, I better not,
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I'll get fat. The whole curse for actors
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today was turning out. They
can't... they won't see if you don't
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have any credits or if you don't have... and you
can't get any credits, because they won't see it.
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I think it was very harder when I
started. I will go to agency and say,
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if you submit me into this plan,
they would say what have you done.
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I would say, well, it is what
I played in college and here
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are the little parts I've played as a leading
star when I was an apprentice. They would say,
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you expect us to submit
you to Jerome Robbins.
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One of the two or three great
directors of that time. One of the two
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or three great directors of the 20th century,
you expect us to submit you to Jerome Robbins
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for a leading role when you've
done a few plays in college.
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It was an example of Lord saying, when God
wants to punish you, it gives you what you want.
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I mean, I got the parts and then
I don't know what to do with it.
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And because I was
having such a trouble doing
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it eight times a week, I just couldn't do
it. And the guy that cast, who is still a
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friend of mine said, he used to... I used to take the
subway to go around the HB, an audition crew of Uta
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Hagen. He came and
he set way for us. He said
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you got this part before you really
knew how to act. A whole lot of actors that
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I known, have had the
pleasure of knowing, they had this
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persistence. And sooner or later
it starts to happen, but it is sheer
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persistence. And
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I think I would have exhibited
the same persistence,
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if I had known that that is what
we would be doing, simply because
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I didn't know how to do anything
else. Once you step outside the
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narrowest circles of here, I don't
know how to do anything, I really don't.
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[music]
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Do you think that
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Austin finds himself to be a success?
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Okay. So today we're just going to
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re-do, right? And then talk about
it a little bit. Maybe I would say this
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before I answer directly,
maybe that's been on and off.
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So you could hear Austin or is
it so? This is perfect. Sometimes
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what the world might see is total
fulfillment may not be quite enough. Hello?
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Hello? Up here. Who
hasn't sat in front of an
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Academy Award ceremony, who
hasn't in some ways either he said that's
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all over for me, that will never happen for me,
or you might say, why hasn't that happen for me?
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Did you think that in beginning... you're going to
walk into this... Or you might say, this is going to
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happen for me. I supposed to start on that
movie tomorrow, but I'm starting on Friday
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instead. What movie is that? Oh, it's just
a little movie, they are paying me $1.75
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to do it. What? Is it like an
internet movie? No, no, it's a
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movie, but you know... So I think it
may be more than a $1.75. Well, not
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much. I mean, a $100 a
day. Are you serious? Oh,
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whole lot of movies were like that. And then you get
a deal on the backend when it becomes a blockbuster.
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But... and what they do to distribute
these movies is, they put a DVD
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of it in a bottle and put it in the
ocean I think, it's you know... It's really
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cruel to see these... with these fabulous
casts and they go straight to the DVD,
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it's unbelievable. Yeah. Rebecca is
doing a ton of movies like that. Yeah.
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I've done a whole lot of those since the mid-90s.
I've even won awards for a couple of them.
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But I mean, if those movies
had seen the light of day,
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we would be conducting
this session on my yacht.
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Oh, my God, who's sweaters are these?
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You can take them if you want. Yeah. I
remember being in New York, I don't know what
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I was doing there, because I was rarely
there and I was waiting to catch a train
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on the subway. And I just ran into Austin.
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Of all people, you know, I didn't
know anybody in the city and
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he had... oh, his hair
was like this, you know.
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And he had some crumbs all
around here and he had on a women's
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sweater backwards, buttoned
up the back. And I said, oh,
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Austin, where are you off to? And
he said, I'm going to a dinner party.
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[sil.]
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Mr. Austin Pendleton is in the house.
Thank you so much for coming by. Thank you
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Sissy. I don't want to hold back Austin. Please
don't. I can't, can I... Please don't. Can we
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relax? Can we have fun. Sure. Yeah. I'm so
excited. And you guys probably have so much footage
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of people talking about the
sexiness of Austin Pendleton.
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There were certain women waiting afterwards
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and we guys go, that's an Austin groupie.
I think every single women in the acting
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business, in the acting
world is in love with Austin.
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When we went to see Rosmersholm, there were like
five women or something. Or it is less. It seems
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like groupies to me. Every women, every
time you see, Austin Pendleton is like, Ahh.
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He is a sexy motherfucker.
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[sil.]
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Austin, he is part of
the fabric of this city.
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He don't spend very long in the pool of
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New York Theatre without bumping
into him. Every time I go to the
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theatre, I swear to God, Austin Pendleton
is there. He just ran just to be everywhere.
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He is always being approached, not as
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a famous person necessarily, but
just being approached. Wonderful job.
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Oh, thank you. Everybody is kind of just
swarms around him. It's so nice to meet you,
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yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Hi. And if you
bump into him, you are meeting this kind
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of magical elf. You know, who
sends inspiration everywhere.
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You want to be in his
presence. You want to hear
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whatever little gems going to fell out
of his mouth. My name is Carl Kelsch.
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It was a pleasure to see you off tonight.
Oh, thank you. He doesn't care about status
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or money or if you have an agent or if you don't have an
agent. He doesn't care about how famous you were or are.
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He will be around somebody who is
mega famous person and he will treat
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them exactly the same as he will to his intern.
Oh, yeah. He doesn't have a guarded bone
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in his body. And because of that people
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gravitate towards him. And let's
move very fast through this room,
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so we can go quickly to the bar.
Okay. So we don't get involved
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in fourteen small talk
moments. Yes, right. So
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here... Hey, David.
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Great show. Great show. You
are wonderful. He is a magnet for
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people's curiosity and people's
joy, and people were just thrilled
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to be with him. So what are you doing? Going
down? Have a drink. You are going to have
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a drink? Well, I'll have a drink
with you. Good. Will you? Sure.
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[sil.] The Austin Pendleton project. Oh,
that the thing where they are going around
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and... Making a movie about you.
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Yeah. These... What do you mean that's that thing.
Aren't you know that the cameras are following you.
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These two guys are so self-effacing. And just
when you think documentary filmmakers are
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self-effacing, that's when you have to get aware, because that's
when they catch you. Well, yeah. I don't like to think about it,
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because, you know, it's a... I
mean, I'm happy, and who wouldn't
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be happy they are doing it. But I don't like to
think about it, because you get else... you know...
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What do you know about
Austin's personal life?
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Okay. I don't know anything about
his personal life. He is a private person.
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He has a wife somewhere, does
he not? And no one have seen her
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that I know. And that means
something. We are trying to
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get together with Andrew we were going to
shoot, maybe this week, but I think that he got
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busy. And it is...
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I hope that's okay with you? Just
seeing Andrew. It's too late now.
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Turn that off. What's
that? It's too late now.
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I think it is
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downstairs. The first
thing I do is go and get
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Austin's brunch, I guess you
call it, which consist of some soup,
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some hand squeezed
orange juice, two bananas,
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and double espresso and a
half sandwich. The other half I eat.
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So... Hi.
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Hi. So that's the story, right.
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What? What's the story. I make the
breakfast story. That's true. Every day
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of the year. Every Monday. Yeah, I
understand. Not every day. That can be
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misconstrued. I started
staying with Austin in 2003
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and I have taken at least one
class a week from him ever since.
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I got my equity card in 1967, so I give you
some idea of how long I've been doing this,
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but I don't think I really became
an actor until Austin taught me how.
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Oh, I feel sexy. What I really
like about Austin's method of
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teaching is that, he is really interested
in what we as actors bring to the table.
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What's wrong with me. I mean we've been fighting
this for years. Look, I haven't... I haven't
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left you for a hairier person.
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Because we like each other. He
teaches, gets underneath in a human way
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and I just have a huge amount of respect
for him and that respect makes me work
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really, really hard. Okay. Good play.
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What did you say? I
dropped a line. Oh, my God.
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Let me take a moment to recover.
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I would say, well, if this were on
a Broadway stage, it would never
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fly. You know, I probably like, especially at the
end, but we have to let go. Why? What you said that?
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Well, it was just, you know. It's much better
than most of us here on the Broadway stage.
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Wow. [sil.]
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Thank you. Thank you. Oh, but in advance.
Yeah. Oh, my God. How great. Thank you.
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Well I don't know where you live,
but I know where you work. Yeah.
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Can I just hug you?
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Can I just hug you? Okay. Okay.
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I don't see you any more. I come
home, you are going around some place.
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Why do you want to
see, you can let somebody
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go? What is the matter? You're like him.
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No, it's just. I used to come
home, you was always there.
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Now I turn around and you are a big girl. I
don't know how to talk to you anymore. Why?
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I don't know, you are running. You are running, Katie. I don't
think you are listening anymore to me. Then you should let him.
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What's the matter? You don't like him?
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Beautiful.
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Now, but you tell me
why I'm wrong to say that.
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I don't know, I always feel unsound
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and unsure about that the whole scene, most part of
it. That's not only part of it, that's the scene.
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Yeah, it's upsetting. Yeah.
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We go into acting to
feel on top of things, right.
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That's the last thing we should feel when
we're acting, because no scene ever written
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is about somebody on top of
things. So the thing is how to use
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actively and dynamically and dramatically
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the fact that we don't feel on top of
it. If we don't feel on top of it means
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we are in touch with
something in the scene. It's so
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important to learn that. You know, it's a scary
place to go for any human being, for me it's...
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That's why people write plays about it.
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watch their worst nightmares
happen in a controlled situation,
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a control being that the dialog
is written out and all of that.
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somehow be in touch with that.
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All of us have things inside us that
could ambush us at any moment.
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think we've got everything in
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hand that we relax our
guard and that's when
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stuff happens.
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Okay. Another class?
Ahh ahh. Another class?
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Yes. Then I have bad news, next two weeks
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I'm going to be gone, I've got a movie. I know
I've already missed three or four classes,
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but I can't turn down this movie. Oh, what
you're doing? An indie movie. This one I hope
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might possibly one day come out.
Generally, they probably go to DVD or
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something. So who knows what this one could at least,
I don't know. Maybe this one will get seen by somebody,
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you know. That too is what show business
is about. May be someone will actually see
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this one. You know,
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I'm going to wash my hands. I
wash my hands off the whole situation.
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Okay. Oh shit. Oh.
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Well, no, the soap thing
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popped right out of the
container. When you push the
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soap thing to make the
soap come out be very careful,
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because it just went boom
and on to the floor. Okay
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now. You start acting and I
work through my food. Okay.
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Austin and food is a whole dramatic
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experience. The way he
eats food is not pleasant,
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you and your food around him
is not pleasant. It is kind of like,
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I don't know, being around a hungry animal. He
knows you bring food out that they are going to
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be attracted to it and they are ultimately
going to come over to you and eat it.
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You know, what I almost did, I almost
grabbed a piece of bacon of that plate.
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I had a physical impulse,
as plate just went by
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with some chips with bacon on top of it, I had
a physical impulse just to reach and take it off
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and eat it. Like in a restaurant, you
know, I walk by a table and there will be
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a bunch of French fries, people are eating, and I
have to physically restrain myself from reaching
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and taking a bunch of French fries
off of some total stranger's plate.
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See, this is weird, this is
really weird. This is disorder.
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They closed Barnes &
Noble there. It makes me sad.
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I would actually go to Barnes & Noble and
sit in the corner and read about theology.
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Something it wouldn't happen anywhere else.
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[sil.]
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There will be no room at all on this
subway car, so we have to be brutal.
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[sil.]
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Maybe I'm just tired,
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you know, it could be just that.
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This... I'm tired. I should
take it easy for a while.
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When was the last time you took it easy?
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The late 1980's, I remember, I took
it easy a little bit, something like that.
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We have transfers available for the A, C, E, and
Kew Garden Meadow. 2, 3, 7, and Port Authority Bus
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Terminal. 32 years ago you could
cheat me in a scene and some.
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Oh my God.
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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a...
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If it had been something
Tennessee Williams and I may
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act in it, we will be
doing it every weekend,
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on Friday's through Monday
nights. It's a great show, I love it.
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I love it because everyone in it has
been one time or another a student
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over the years. Yeah.
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Some of the best students
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that I've ever had. Yeah. Hi there.
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Hello. Hi there. Hello.
Hi. Hi. Hello. It's the
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superstar himself. It's the superstar
he is facing. It's the great Austin.
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Yeah, that's right. Excuse me.
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Who is this?
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I'm going to shut the door. Sure, this is
embarrassing, but we have to, you know.
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Well, this could be the section
that would sell a movie. But I
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didn't close, I wouldn't
do the nudity in rehearsal
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at all, not until the dress of
so-called rehearsal, because
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we were rehearsing in the basement of a church
and right in the next room was a daycare center.
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And I just thought some kids going to
run around and say, mommy, mommy,
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the man from The Muppet Movie was
naked today in the basement of a church.
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Then how was it getting
naked on the stage for you.
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You guys ready? It was fine. In that play,
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you express long scenes.
And so you just forget
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about it. It's really weird. In fact, everyone saw
on the middle of... there is a scene where there is
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...there are scenes actually once it happens, where
it's never even referring to. And you are in these
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intense arguments with people and you
suddenly, I forgot to put on my clothes.
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How are you? I'm good. I'm still dealing with a little
stomach thing, had ulcerative colitis, but it's getting
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better now, I'll be back in your class before you
know it. I can't wait Yeah, me too. Thank you.
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All right. Yeah. We are totally sold out,
we are over sold. We have mats out, we have
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put all the backstage chairs out,
so everyone showed out tonight.
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He certainly has this
quality of just absolute reality
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and authenticity. There is
never any actory thing with him.
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I've observed a play that he has
directed with his students. And what I
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noticed in that play was that same quality
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of reality that he somehow
imparted to his students.
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It was like it was really happening
in front of you. You know,
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the artifices are all gone. And I
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don't really know how he does that.
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Hello.
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Just went on... like, thank you
very much, just want to... so much...
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Thank you. We saw, also Ivana...
Yeah. We just had a chance to really
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talk to you, but it was just wonderful... We talked
for a little bit after that, didn't we? You were
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surrounded with... No, not that day. I think... No, I
just said thank you, but you were surrounded by people and
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I'm sure you didn't notice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Just, yeah. But, it's just brilliant. Thank you so
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much. Thank you. Yeah.
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I know it was backstage at Sophistry.
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It was like, me, Ethan, Steve
Zahn, Anthony Rapp and Austin
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sharing a dressing room that
was about this big. And Austin,
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as I recall, he's like, came in,
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Austin was there and he
sort of standing, my tidy
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whitey isn't t-shirt, like,
and he just didn't look happy.
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Yeah. In the New York Times magazine was
this picture of Jeff Bridges, and he said
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the most underrated actor in
America. Jeff Bridges, America's
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most underrated actor, he is on the
cover of the New York Times magazine.
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I'm sitting here in this shithole
and with fucking students.
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I'm America's most underrated actor.
Fuck Jeff Bridges. This guy gets paid a
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million bucks a movie. This guy, you know,
goes does... goes to parties with Jane Fonda.
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The fuck I have been doing the hard work my whole
life, I'm the most underrated actor in America.
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And this kind of ego came
out of him that I had never seen.
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It was a completely absurd headline. And
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he called that out what it was
and it really got under his skin. In a
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film he'd enjoy to see, because I
started to think he was, you know, perfect.
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And he was just so enlightened all the time
and doing everything for the right reasons
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and I was like, "Oh, wow, there
is some passion there." You know.
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These guys work hard for everything
he is. Do you have any separation
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between yourself as an artist and any... is there
any other? No, I don't. I never had since I was
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a kid. I never could imagine anything else.
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We are talking on the
late 1940's I know what.
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And I didn't even know how it
was going to happen or anything.
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I got the idea of being in
theater and by extension
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film and so forth, way early
on and it was an 8-day fix
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and it was complicated by the fact that
when I was young I literally couldn't talk.
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Come up. Come up and read.
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I had a real, real serious
problem with speech.
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It's like these athletes who you find out they
were crippled when they were kids or something,
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and you just get... it's all about
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trying to get free of that, and
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you don't want to put
energy into anything else.
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When he was a little
boy he said to his mother,
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they are making fun of me, they
are making fun of me, telling about
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his contemporaries, his fellow
students. And she said, so what?
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Well, there is a fiber in that answer,
isn't there? What are you thinking?
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I wish I were dead.
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I don't think you'd give up that easy.
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So what in the case where a
person is sort of asking for sympathy.
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And so what is a way of, phew,
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going right over that and
continuing to live and to function.
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And people would say, Austin,
about you are being an actor.
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I would say, I'll do a lot
of workout, and you know.
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It... I've never... it
replaced like everything,
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except actual personal
relationships in my life.
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I'm and Austin going to the theater and I
said, how the things are going? He said, okay.
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mother is coming to see the show.
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A classic example of a
stutterer. And what does he
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stuttered with the name, I was my
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mother. They came to
see Austin in everything.
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In everything.
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And very often a drive
from Marion, Ohio, they miss
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nothing. I know that I've
experienced his stutter
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when it was worse and
when it was not quite so bad.
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And I may be reading into this, but the time
when it was worse was when his mother came to
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see him. My last psychiatrist
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told me that stuttering is some
conflict between expressing
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yourself and holding back, whatever that
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means. That would have been
enough to stop many people. And he
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just continued, just... he just
continued to work on it and
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find his way, and... It
was pretty amazing to see
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you would just have a moment
with a particular word and...
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...would just choose another word to say.
He's always got a little piece of himself
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concentrating on will he stutter,
will he not... how he'd cope with it,
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will he put these words together. That's a really
scary thing. As an actor, it'd be like, I could
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get stuck in hundreds, thousands of
people watching me to have that challenge
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and be like, fuck it, I'm going to go
on stage every night and I don't care.
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What kind of actor would I
become if I didn't have this problem?
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Not so interesting one.
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Today, I would say about turning
down One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
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He is like so funny, he didn't
want to be defined as a stutterer.
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Well, now, ladies
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and gentlemen of the
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jury.
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The director of My Cousin Vinny was
an old friend of mine and he send me the
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script and said, will you do this? I
said, is this a sick joke? On January 4th
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of this year, my
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client... And I thought it will be... although it's an
exclusive script, it will be a little cult movie, little that
431
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I know would turn into Gone with the Wind.
It's like... it's everybody's favorite movie.
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It's like, you know, to this day.
433
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I've made a hundred movies, this is the one
434
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they are going to remember. And I did it as a
favorite of my friend, because he got me drunk.
435
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Coincidental. Thank you.
436
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I went into acting to get away from
stuttering. And here I'm going to be remembered
437
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for it, it's like it's a cruel joke. What about
everything we talked about? No, I got little nervous.
438
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A little nervous? I'm getting better. A
student of mine who is an older women
439
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asked if she could have dinner with me a
couple of years ago and she said, I just wanted
440
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,000
to... she had a some... I don't know
how anyone ever gets over this. But in the
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early '90s, her 13-year-old son, he died
442
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in great pain from the brain
tumor. She said, when he was dying
443
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and he was in pain he just
love to watch My Cousin Vinny
444
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and he loved your scenes.
And that's something
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in me shifted at that point. I
said, you can't... that's fantastic.
446
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Irreplaceable. Yeah. Whatever your own
447
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personal things about our totally
evaporate in front of something like that.
448
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It's like, I said, oh, thank
you for telling me that. I'm
449
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horrifying that that happened and thank you
for telling me that. I mean, it's like you
450
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do the work and then
it's out of your hands.
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Do you get your... do you get pedicures?
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No. Beautiful finger nails.
Thank you. So clean. And you do it
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yourself? Yeah, I do it
myself. Oh, multi-talented.
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The simplest theory is usually
the correct one. The correct theory
455
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is that I was thinking too much to function
properly and then I had this wild dream,
456
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you were acting me in play about my life,
457
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,000
terrible play, and you were terrible
because of the booze. A dream to replace
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the drink, I think. See, see, it's a proverb
ending in ain't, pretty naught thing.
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It Don't Mean a Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing.
If It Ain't Got That Swing. Two Gallants have said
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that baby. You know your music.
I do. I think you are just exotic.
461
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,000
All right, great. Faith of
luck. You are released.
462
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Steven, will you read the
man's line from the rehearsal.
463
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Certainly, read this. Austin, Thank
you, Austin, that was wonderful,
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and we'll try to get and tomorrow we change
your direction. I was going to ask, did we get
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any good commercial? No. We got commercials and it is going to conflict
and we can't get up to do the commercials. No one in Los Angeles has
466
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ever even thought of pushing me
for anything like a Jessica Lange.
467
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000
What does that mean in Jessica Lange?
That kind of movie where... about real
468
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people and you are not playing some absentminded
professor. It's all in the name of science,
469
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Charlie. Definition of being a character actor,
one is, you are not the star of the movie.
470
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We have very little time, Mr. Larry.
Who are you people? You play
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something that supports
the tech, supports the stars.
472
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Nothing. Nothing. What
does that mean? You dressing
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him smaller, you get paid less. It is
precisely the moment where the mutation or
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beast will attempt to kill an
unlikeable side character. The film being
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a visual medium demands
beauty. I'm perfectly sane and sound.
476
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You just have to look certain way, you have to look good
enough for people to want to look at you for two hours.
477
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
If you don't look satisfying
for two hours. Mind is
478
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the true face of vampires. I
get all these parts particularly
479
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,000
in TV and stuff like that, playing
people who speak scientifically, I never
480
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know what I'm talking about.
This is an ABX technocraft.
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00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000
I learn it by wrote. Austin, he is
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not being exceptionally good
looking, he is not being exceptionally
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poetic. Help, I'm stuck,
I'm stuck. He is not
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being exceptionally heroic.
Just come on out. Oh, I can't
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my legs are asleep. Those are all
virtues. I won't sing and I won't dance.
486
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Don't ask me. There is something
about it that pigeon holds us successfully
487
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enough, so that when you think of absentminded
professor, Austin volley into other people's show.
488
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I have almost never been cast as a
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normal human being,
because they are not sure
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that it would be believable.
491
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[sil.]
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I would not be cast as a President
of the United States. Get off
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my plane. I'll be more likely
actually to be elected President
494
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than to be put in the role
of President in a film. I don't
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think that anybody wants
to be a character actor.
496
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Why don't you give me half the money you
were going to bet. Then we'll go out back,
497
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,000
I'll kick you in the nuts and we will
call it a day. Secretly we all believe
498
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,000
ourselves to be complete human beings.
499
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,000
You know, I'm just trying to survive.
You know, I mean, I'm just trying to
500
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earn a living, just trying to pay
my rents and my bills. Both Austin
501
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and I whatever part we
are given, we are trying like
502
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,000
lawyers for the characters
we play to make a case
503
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,000
for ourselves as complete human beings.
504
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Whatever the part, and I've played
creatures were not even human,
505
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
but I'm try to make the
case that they are fully
506
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human. Anything else you need,
come see me personally. As a character,
507
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you always have their kind of beating the bush
and being very happy to accept what you're
508
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,000
given. Curse you
AquaScum. His high get the big
509
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000
box. I still have people who
will stop me in front a multiplex
510
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
for say maybe two movies I may not
playing, they say, do you ever act anymore
511
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,000
and you don't want to say you don't want
to get... you don't want to get defensive,
512
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you don't say, right there.
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00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I. What?
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00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,000
She can't possibly understand me. She can't possibly
understand me. I'm sorry, if you... my head is
515
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,000
spinning. I understand
516
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,000
nothing. Either I'm going
along with my old age or
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00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,000
suddenly everyone is becoming more cleverer
than... I've been damned to understand any
518
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,000
of it, any of it. In this scene, that the
two of you is beautiful, is just beautiful,
519
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000
the two of you, yeah. What
520
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
do you feel? There are times when I feel a little
unsteady. Is that okay for you if I used a cane?
521
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Please. Really? Use a walker, if
you want, I don't know. Okay. Use a
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wheelchair. Okay. Yeah. And there are times when I move
my... when I turn or something. Yeah. Don't even make
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it an issue. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. It couldn't be less important. This floor is too
524
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flat. Yeah, I spoke to them about
that. Yeah. All right. Yeah. No,
525
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,000
I'm not. I spoke harshly to them, but
they would have none of it, what can I say.
526
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Windows is checking for
a solution to the problem,
527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000
see, it just totally fucked the
next five minutes of my life.
528
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,000
I was going to just finish out some
e-mail. How great. You love... No, I'm
529
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,000
gonna to take a pee, I'm just
...oh god, I can't deal with this.
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[sil.]
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00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Hey, this... I hope I've the right number,
this is for... this is for Daniel Demello. This
532
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is Austin Pendleton. He has my number.
533
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,000
I want him to... I'd love it if you
would invite to Small Craft Warnings
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John Simon, the critic,
and it's really... it's
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00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
important to me and I know that... that... I know that
John Simon wants to see it and he's of course a great
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00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,000
critic. But, thank you very,
very much. Okay, bye-bye.
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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Okay, so that I've done
538
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000
that and he will hate it
probably, John Simon,
539
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,000
but still I don't care. I've
sometimes gotten into trouble
540
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,000
for being what they call too personal,
which in fact was just being too
541
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,000
tough. He didn't enjoy my acting
very much, the first Britain play
542
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,000
that I had that was done in New York, he
said it's got lot of great things and it has
543
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,000
flaws, but we mustn't dwell on the flaws, we must
encourage him, Austin Pendleton, as a playwright,
544
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anything to keep him off the
stage. John Simon's review of Austin
545
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and his play where he was playing, you
know, and a legend, molester of a student
546
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,000
of his, and an alcoholic, it was
Austin Pendleton for once well
547
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cast. And my feeling is that if you give a
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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,000
terrible review to somebody,
if the person is a real artist,
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00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,000
he can live with that, he can
transcend that. I get really paranoid
550
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
anywhere about reading reviews. If they are
bad, I'm afraid that it might shoot a hole in
551
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
what I go out and do every night, but even worse
is if they're good because then you try to do
552
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,000
what you just seem described, you
know, in a review. The only safe thing to
553
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000
do is to pretend that critics all
is important and maybe they are,
554
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,000
but if you take them very seriously,
then you are in the position where
555
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,000
really bad review that you might
get, you have to take just as seriously
556
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,000
as the favorable ones and you don't want to do
that, that's only human and understandable. I
557
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,000
think you don't want to depend
too much on criticism and
558
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000
by saying you don't read it or by
actually not reading it, you establish your
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00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000
independence. There
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is the two of us and a sister who is
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00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,000
five years younger than Austin, four years
younger than me. And I think throughout
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00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,000
our lives, there's been a
fundamental compatibility and
563
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,000
bond, and that endures today.
564
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Austin had this passion for theater
565
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,000
from a very early age and sort of
566
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,000
swept everybody along
with it. So, he started his own
567
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
theatre company such as it was in our basement when he was,
what, eight years old or ten years old, is what I'm thinking,
568
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,000
and he was put on these
extraordinarily, extravagant productions
569
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,000
and then I would get
roped into playing parts very
570
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,000
badly in those and Austin's
whole circle of friends
571
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,000
developed around this theatre.
And did you expect that he
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00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,000
will be as successful as he is. Oh
god, yes, absolutely, no question about it.
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00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,000
I'm kind of disappointed he is
not more successful. You're right,
574
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,000
exactly. We are here.
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00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Welcome. Terry,
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00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,000
hi. Look here, here is our name, THE
FRANCES M PENDLETON STAGE. The M is... the
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00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000
M stand for Manchester. If you
need me to turn the stage lights on,
578
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
I'll be happy to do that.
Sure. Here's the theatre that
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00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,000
they built with their bare hands. It's
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00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,000
a Quonset hut, as you see. It's
one of the best theatres I've ever
581
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,000
worked in, just as a
theatre, as a place to put on a
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00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,000
play. So this is where you directed your
...I directed... in The Glass Menagerie
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in 1965, after
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my contract in Fiddler on the
Roof was up. That was where
585
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Hal Prince had produced Fiddler on the Roof
and he said, 'are you going to renew your
586
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,000
contract?' And I said, why am I in a
buying, because I'm now being asked
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to go out direct my mom in The Glass
Menagerie in Warren, Ohio, at our... the
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00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000
community theatre she is part of. He said, 'you
have to do that'. I said, 'but I don't want to leave
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00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Fiddler on the Roof, it's like leaving this
secure place, you know. He said, 'well, I'll
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00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,000
tell you what, I'll make you a
deal. You go out and you do that,
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and then you can come
back into the show. And in... in
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the three months or so
you're gone, we will have your
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understudy play the part. And my understudy was
Leonard Frey who then played the part in the movie of
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Fiddler and got an Oscar
nomination for it and was beloved in
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that part. I happened to have that
program. Oh, you do. The Glass
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Menagerie. Yeah, oh my god. Here
is how she build herself as an actress,
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Mrs. Thorn Pendleton. She
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was this weird mixture of a
feminist before her time and a
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total non-feminist.
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Oh, my god, that's mom. Alec is
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this picture is 28 and I'm 30, 31, yeah. We
602
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,000
were late bloomers, yeah. I acted
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here too under her direction a few years after that in The Seagull
and... What were you in The Seagull? I was Konstantin Treplev.
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Katina, my wife was Nina.
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And also our dad was in a whole
lot of productions that our mom
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directed. He wasn't in anybody else's productions. I don't
think... I don't think he was, no, no, he never did any lines.
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00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Yeah, well, he would have lines,
but he would learn them just in
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00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,000
sequence, he didn't know what the cues were.
So, whenever there was pause, he would say
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his next line. So, our mom's
productions were known for their electric
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00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,000
pace because people were afraid to take a pause
because he would just say his next line. And
611
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,000
then... he would... then he would hear the cue come up
in the dialog and he would say his thing. He was actually
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pretty good, he was
really good and he was in
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the production of The Seagull that Katina and
I were in and he had a lot of lines in that,
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in The Seagull. Did he?
Yeah, and he would... there
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were scenes where he talks to the actress, the character
who is the actress in the play, and you know, Ann Kim
616
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Harry, and he would, he would say, 'oh
my damn, you're a marvelous actress, you're
617
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,000
the greatest that I... he would turn and rehearse
them, say them out to mom and the audience, all
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those lines, his name was Thorn.
She would said, 'Thorn, talk to
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her, not to me.' 'I'm
sorry, I'm sorry', you
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know. She would say things to me like during The Seagull
rehearsals like, 'Austin... this is in front of the whole
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cast, 'I'd told these other
actors you are a professional', a
622
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,000
thing... without any evident
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humor in her voice. But she
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was also... I mean creating...
she was also a whole lot of fun.
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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,000
She was an extraordinary woman in
many ways. And she was very kind to people
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00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
and all that, but she had a tart way of
speech, wouldn't you say Terry? On occasion,
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yes, I would say that. Yeah, yes, she would. And
I have to say the results that she got on the
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stage... Were electric.
From absolute amateur
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actors who were in indeed electric.
Yeah. They were fine productions.
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Okay.
631
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[music]
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Hi,
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Peg. Hi, Austin, how are you? Just
that I have to give him a hug. Good to see
634
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,000
you. Good to see you. This is my
friend, Tensin Ascuda. Hi, nice to meet
635
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,000
you. Nice to meet you too. She is an aspiring actress. Oh. And
she's gonna sort of hang with you and make sure you're okay
636
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,000
there and then she will bring you to the green
room... Okay. At 6 when we're ready for you
637
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,000
and... Excited to be
back? Oh, yeah, yeah. [sil.]
638
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Hi.
639
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Hi, guys. Hi. How are
640
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,000
you? Oh my god! I was so glad that you're here. It's so wonderful. Thank you. Watching
and following your work for a long time, ever since The Last Sweet Days of Isaac.
641
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Oh my god,
642
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I'm Stephanie Corrianno,
it's wonderful to have you here on our town.
643
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Thank you, Stephanie. Thank you. You're a wonderful
actor. What? You're a wonderful character actor,
644
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000
wonderful person, just... follow your
work. Thank you. My Cousin Vinny.
645
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Oh, thank you, thank you. One of my
favorites. Thank you, thank you, yeah.
646
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,000
[sil.]
647
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,000
What quality do you think you took from your mother
and what quality you think you took from your
648
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
father? I really don't know,
649
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,000
because I don't know, they both, as
Alec said they were both very energetic,
650
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,000
career-driven. They had their issues
651
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,000
as everybody does, but
they actually set it both
652
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,000
in two different ways, they try and put
over their issues, you know what I mean.
653
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:40,000
They lived very productive lives
654
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
although they were both,
you know, they both had
655
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,000
stuff they struggled with. And I think
656
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,000
that... I think
657
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,000
that all three of us, that
was kind of an inspiration
658
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,000
because you can tell they were in trouble, I mean just
each of them individually, but they just... I don't know
659
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,000
they carried on. Okay.
660
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,000
[sil.]
661
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Hi. There you are.
662
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Hi. [sil.]
663
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Oh, my... Yeah, I
664
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,000
know. It's amazing. Yeah. Look here. That was our house. Oh, your
house? Yeah, when we lived out there a little... in the early 1950s
665
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,000
and then we moved to Atlantic
Street. Okay, alright. Yeah. And this
666
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,000
was your living room. Yeah,
yeah, right, in... out in the country.
667
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Yeah. Yeah. As far as I ever got was the front
of the... front door, I never got inside. Yeah.
668
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I've a major problem at
home. My mom, she has MS
669
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000
and she is bedridden. And my dad, he is
670
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,000
taking care of her. He is a nurse's
aid and he has no income right
671
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,000
now. Wow. So, I'm just
trying to... helping my mom
672
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
every day, you know. Oh, yeah.
And I don't really have much of a life
673
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,000
...I've been
674
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,000
living a lie basically... How do
you mean? There's nothing inside,
675
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000
I need something to
bring me back to life. Yeah,
676
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,000
like what? An actor.
677
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Yeah. I love acting. Would you be free to
go out and work with TNT? You have to start
678
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:50,000
somewhere. Right. And this group
is really good, really good. That's
679
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,000
where I started, you
know. I can introduce you to
680
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,000
somebody here. Yeah,
yes sir. Okay, let's see
681
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Terry Gilbert is whom I'm
looking to introduce you. Terry,
682
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,000
talk to this young man. Hi.
683
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,000
I got a
684
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,000
terrible review in The New York
Times for Yahgo where the whole first
685
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,000
half of the review was about me and then the
other half said, 'on the other hand, there
686
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,000
are some good things'. It happened that
my mom was at the performance that night
687
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,000
on the evening of the
day the review came out.
688
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,000
And my cousin came to see it with
her and my cousin told me afterward
689
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,000
that... that she and my mom were in
their seats after the performance and they
690
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,000
were going to wait for me to come
up. And some person past them
691
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,000
and wasn't aware that she was my
mom and he said to whoever he was with,
692
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,000
'God, the Times was right,
Austin Pendleton is terrible.' And
693
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,000
my mom said, 'just a moment',
and she never revealed she was my
694
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,000
mom. She just said, 'you don't
know what you are talking about'.
695
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:20,000
[music]
696
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Is there any food?
697
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Anywhere? Do you have any food laid
out, anywhere? Let me get some food for
698
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,000
you. Yeah,
699
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,000
okay.
700
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,000
I'm going to take a shower. And I'll wait.
701
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Yeah, hi.
702
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Hi. Excuse me. Hi. Hi. How is it going?
703
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Did you have a good flight? Well, it was eventful, let's
put it that way. You're here now, that explains enough.
704
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Yeah, right. Hey, Sean.
705
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Yeah. Yeah. I haven't been in here
706
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,000
since I acted it here as
707
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Yahgo in 1997. Wait,
708
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,000
this doesn't make any
sense that it would be
709
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,000
dark down there. I am
now retracing my steps. You
710
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,000
know, it's up this
711
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000
way, this way. I think what they have
712
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,000
done up here is a... is a homeless shelter.
713
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,000
[sil.]
714
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,000
Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no
715
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,000
shit. I can't... oh
716
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000
no, oh, this is terrible. Let's see.
717
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,000
Maybe you should ask
someone in there. Hello? Yeah.
718
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,000
[sil.]
719
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,000
Oh, this is bad news
720
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,000
here.
721
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,000
This is a very small plane.
722
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000
oh yeah.
723
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:45,000
[sil.]
724
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,000
There. I'm a new man.
I'm a new man. (inaudible)
725
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,000
. [sil.]
726
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,000
One of the things that separates
Austin from everybody else is his
727
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,000
incredible inability
to give into bitterness.
728
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,000
He once told me as something
that Joseph Pappa told him that,
729
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,000
how you most easily define success is by
how you handle your disappointments. And
730
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,000
Austin has handled his
disappointments in his life with
731
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,000
tremendous grace.
732
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:30,000
[music]
733
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,000
He went through a period in New York where it
was very, very difficult for him. It's as if
734
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,000
the critics did not want him.
They wanted him to stay in
735
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,000
a box, they wanted him to
play only certain parts. And
736
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,000
anytime he try to do something else, they would
just land on him like a ton of bricks, and
737
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,000
what did he do, he just went wherever
people will let him play the great parts.
738
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,000
He will act in the things you don't even know
where he is, like he says, like... I know he's
739
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,000
only in some place, somewhere, whether it's
Broadway or 99C House or someone's house.
740
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Austin, what's with that cup? It's a
cup that somebody gave and whenever
741
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,000
I go into a coffee bar and I get espresso or
anything, I just pour it in here, well, like
742
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,000
just now, I love it. It's things from Alice in
Wonderland, somebody gave it for me. Really?
743
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,000
In this business you go through
a lot of downs that are... that
744
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,000
seem to be definitive, that
seem to be like, 'forget it,
745
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,000
that's it'. And so, you have to develop
746
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,000
a way of looking at things that can
747
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,000
get you through that. When my carrier
748
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,000
kind of collapsed in the late
'70s, I started to get offering these
749
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,000
great parts in showcases like in the place
where you got tonight. I started to being
750
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,000
asked to do these great
classical roles. I used to be
751
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,000
told, 'don't ever do a showcase, it makes it
...it makes you look bad. The fact that you've
752
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:10,000
done it, that fact that you will freely
do it'. In the world we all came up in, in
753
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,000
the '70s, theater was a
religion, but how you made
754
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
it was your mission. Austin
never lost the mission. It's
755
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,000
not a work ethic, it's a work
necessity. If you do a showcase,
756
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:30,000
somebody is going to
see it. That's the only thing
757
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,000
that will get you through all this, that that's
the only thing that could be important. And
758
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,000
if you say, 'well, I'll harder on this
because it's more hope, high profile
759
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,000
than I work on this', then... then you
have already begun to throw it away.
760
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,000
You've thrown away the
one thing that's the only
761
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,000
thing that's ever going to
get you through. I've been
762
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000
in a whole lot of movies
that no one has ever seen,
763
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
just to pick up a little cash, just so
that I could then go back and be in
764
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,000
some more of these
showcases. Very important people
765
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,000
to me early in the work, important teachers,
important people I knew kept saying, 'it's
766
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,000
about the work, it's
767
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,000
not about anything else'.
768
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:30,000
You know what, I have
to go, I've to go and sleep.
769
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Good night.
770
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,000
Are you going to the opening
771
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,000
night? I guess there's a party or something
like that, after a few minutes, I hate
772
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,000
those things. Yeah. Everybody is looking at their phones, wondering
what the reviews are, I just hate it. I really don't believe it
773
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,000
but
774
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,000
you know, I cannot show
up. That's our first song
775
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:05,000
in that show.
776
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:20,000
[sil.]
777
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,000
It was fantastic. Yeah, enjoyed it. Thumbs
778
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,000
up. Thank you. [sil.]
779
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Hi, Josh.
780
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:40,000
Congratulations. Thank you. I hope you've been
okay. Having a great evening. Oh my god, wait, food.
781
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,000
I need to give you a huge
782
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,000
hug. Where... is that wine or... You want a
sip of my champagne. Where is the champagne?
783
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Let's get you some. Yes. Congratulations, can we get you to
do some photographs on the other side. Sure, sure. Somebody is
784
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:00,000
getting you a glass of champagne. That's all I
need, yeah. We will bring it to you. Take one
785
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,000
just together. I've to be in the picture with him? Yes. I
thought my... I thought they had read my contract right, no; no.
786
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:15,000
[music]
787
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,000
Thank you. Oh, wait. Oh, thank you.
788
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,000
[music]
789
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,000
The quintessence of Pendleton.
I guess we will hear the reviews.
790
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,000
Does the Times come out tonight? Oh yeah,
the Times will be up within an hour or so.
791
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,000
How will this party find
out about it? Some person
792
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,000
will look on their phone. And then
people will start avoiding us. Yeah. There
793
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,000
is the moment at the party when everybody
is looking at each other strangely.
794
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,000
Well, sometimes you don't really care,
even if it's show you love, sometimes
795
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,000
you just say, 'well, whatever' and other times you
get nervous. It's been like that all the way along. We
796
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,000
worked so hard on it for three years, you
know. What are your... what's your hunch?
797
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,000
I've learned long ago not to have
a hunch, you just don't ever know.
798
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Thank you, Jack. Nobody forces
you to go into this business, so
799
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:20,000
you can't even complain, you know they didn't tell
me there would be critics, you can't say that. [sil.]
800
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Yeah.
801
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,000
Austin is the most famous guy right now. He
doesn't know, he doesn't remember, 30 years
802
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,000
ago, April 19, when I
interviewed you at the Little
803
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Foxy, I told him he was going to be the most
famous director in the world as he directed
804
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Elizabeth Taylor for the first time
she ever stepped on stage. I'm so drunk
805
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,000
and happy, I'm just going
to go. Okay, bye. Bye.
806
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,000
You're the best part
of this whole thing. Oh,
807
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,000
thank you. Thank you so much. It's good. What's good? The New Times,
it's up and it's good. What? It's good? What? What? What? Yes,
808
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I've just been told, I haven't read it, I've just
been told. Small stirrings of the heart and mind
809
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,000
evoke delicate musical
responses in A Minister's Wife
810
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,000
who lovingly composed chamber musical that opened
on Sunday night at the Mitzi E. Newhouse Theater
811
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,000
at Lincoln Center. The musical
moves with a gentle step keeping
812
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,000
an intimate focus on its central characters
as they circle one another in a cozy
813
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,000
London study that becomes
the site of a well-mannered moral
814
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,000
and intellectual boxing match, conceived
and directed by Michael Halberstam
815
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
and Austin Pendleton wrote the smartly
condensed book, the creators of A Minster's Wife
816
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,000
are aiming for something closer to the original.
Congratulations to you guys, you guys need to.
817
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:50,000
What did you get? We got Aces, but the
818
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,000
crapshoots, don't take it seriously.
819
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,000
That's true, but still I can see it your eyes.
But still it's nice, it's very nice. Alright.
820
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Don't, be careful. Always be careful.
Yeah. You never know. Because
821
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,000
the next time out, he won't like what you do. Who
knows that if there would be a next time. Yeah, right.
822
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Yeah right, I know. Correctly they say to
me right now is, 'fuck the next time'. They
823
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:20,000
either get what you are trying to do
824
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,000
or they don't, and that's the life in show
business. Welcome to our career. Thank you.
825
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,000
It has its ups, it has its downs. You're
right. Ladies and gentlemen, we are
826
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,000
back please, we are back and we are
at the top of act four, top of act four,
827
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:40,000
please. Thank you. Okay,
828
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,000
stand by, upright, go.
829
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:50,000
Listen carefully and with all due respect
830
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,000
of course and you, the
mademoiselle demands attention
831
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:00,000
with your intelligence and compassion
832
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,000
doesn't even understand her own father.
833
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,000
I've been an actor for, I mean,
say, and I don't remember, almost
834
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,000
55 years. Put a wick
in your mouth, light it
835
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,000
and go breathe fire on
everyone. During a lot of those 50
836
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,000
years, I've worked with him frequently,
acted with him, directed him. He is
837
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:30,000
almost 90, but he was still I
thought at the peak of his form. I
838
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,000
just came off a knee operation. I
just want to, let's see. In other words I
839
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,000
was saying, take it day by day by
day. And then one day in rehearsal
840
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,000
I was sitting and Ethan Hawke comes
behind me and I turn the greet him and
841
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,000
I fell. Hello. Oh! Oh, Jesus
Christ! Too much vodka?
842
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Too much vodka. And everybody went,
843
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:00,000
oh my god, oh he fell.
How are you? I'm okay, no, I
844
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,000
didn't hurt myself, it was just... it was the funny
way I turned, that's all, yeah. Story of my life. No,
845
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,000
she isn't. Characters in the play
need to... We started talking about
846
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:15,000
my balance was not that good.
847
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:20,000
So, they just... we will get you a
wheelchair and I felt uncomfortable
848
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:25,000
wheeling myself around the
stage. So I said to myself, 'what
849
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,000
am I trying to prove?'
So I told Austin this,
850
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,000
look, I don't think I could
go on with the show.
851
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,000
He said, I don't think you are going to believe
this, but I don't want to be in the show. I said no,
852
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:45,000
I don't believe it because you are
fucking brilliant. And we get emails,
853
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,000
'I saw this show tonight,
this guy was magnificent'.
854
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:55,000
He just gets to the heart of
things. Never seen servant died,
855
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:00,000
suddenly for some reason he
wants to marry you, oh... never mind,
856
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,000
never mind, I'm just
an old crow, that's what I
857
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,000
am, I am... Who is going to do
it? I said, well, they want me to
858
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,000
go and do it, but I'll tell you why I'm
going into it. If I... if you change your
859
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:20,000
mind in a couple of weeks and
I'm doing it, all you have to do is
860
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:25,000
lift the phone and you will come back again.
When I talked to Austin about it, he says, if
861
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,000
for some reason after you leave the show
862
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,000
and you think about it and you want
to come back, you're welcome, and
863
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,000
I said no, no, no, no.
864
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,000
My head is spinning, I am so
confused, dare hell with you, no,
865
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I don't like it, I don't like any of it. And
he has told, now it's over, I'll act in film
866
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,000
and TV, but not in theater, I'm going to get
him back. The fair Ophelia, O treble woe.
867
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,000
Hold off the earth awhile.
868
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Till I have once more caught her
869
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,000
in my arms. What is he, whose
870
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,000
grief bears such an emphasis.
This is I, Hamlet the Dane.
871
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,000
I'd made two movies with Phil, one of
them is the Fifteen Minute Hamlet. Phil is
872
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,000
sublime in that
873
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,000
movie. Austin gave me my
first two jobs out of college
874
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,000
which were probably two of the most significant jobs I've
had till now. Our audition for him for the Williamstown,
875
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,000
a non-equity company,
876
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,000
I had to give two speeches on contemporary
and a classical and I tore my pants. I went
877
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,000
to sit down in a chair, very much like this
chair and my pocket caught on my... caught
878
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,000
on that arm of the chair and like tore it
significantly, like it's eight inch opening gap
879
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:00,000
in the side of my pants and I
thought, oh god, that's a disaster. His
880
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,000
contemporary piece was the final
speech of Tom's from The Glass Menagerie
881
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:10,000
and of course one has heard
that speech 400 times. Phil did it,
882
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,000
it sounded like he was making
it up, it sounded like no one
883
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,000
else had ever said this. Right from the get
go, meeting him in that audition, there was no
884
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,000
preconceptions or judgments or biases,
it felt like, it felt like he was just kind
885
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,000
of accepting me and my
terms. For a while he was... he
886
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,000
told that to interviewers and they
would... and they would call me up.
887
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,000
They would say who? Yeah, right, yeah right. They'd say,
did Phil, there was a crazy actor and he was attributing his
888
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:45,000
career to you. And that's
Philip Seymour Hoffman is... and
889
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:50,000
I would say this sounds like, aw, shucks
or something, but it's just the truth.
890
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,000
I would say to them... I was the only
one in the room when he auditioned.
891
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:00,000
I would say anyone who is in
that room who didn't pick him
892
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:05,000
truly does not belong in the business. I
damn remember really thinking like, I think
893
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,000
I might get this job and it wasn't because
I thought I like nailed the audition
894
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,000
or anything like that, I thought I... did something happen
in that room, that was quite positive to me, and if I didn't
895
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,000
get that job, I felt like I think I'm
going to meet that guy again. And so, I
896
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:25,000
would... it's not about my talent
or about what I do. I think it's about
897
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,000
how people think, you know, what
people want to see and how they work.
898
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:35,000
Because I went through something
when I was so young, at a time
899
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,000
I was so scared and so
anxious, and so full of fear
900
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,000
and I walked into a room and he was
sitting there and he gave me comfort.
901
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,000
[music]
902
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,000
Do you think about
903
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,000
your legacy? No. I
think of trying to be bad
904
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,000
as infrequently as possible.
You know, I'm famous
905
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,000
in... to a lot of people as that guy. He's an
actor. Thank you. What? Oh, you're an actor?
906
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,000
There is... there's one school of thought,
907
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:20,000
yeah, right, yeah right. I've seen
your movies. Thank you. Thank you.
908
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,000
Yeah. You asked about a legacy, you
909
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:30,000
want to leave behind you
as little carnage as possible.
910
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Is it three? Yes. I would get very
freaked out if any kind of search
911
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:40,000
light would turn on the life of myself
and the lives of people who are close to
912
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:45,000
me, I really would. If
people are watching you
913
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,000
do your work, either your direction
or your acting or whatever plays you
914
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:55,000
write, whatever, even your teaching, and they
are not only watching what you're doing, they are
915
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:00,000
computing things they know about your life,
916
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,000
I think that's too bad. Has
917
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,000
my daughter showed up? I
don't think she has, actually.
918
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,000
Hey, how are you John? Good to see you.
919
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:20,000
Is Austin successful depends
on what you mean by success and
920
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,000
in this culture unfortunately
people mean famous by success.
921
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Success is a really interesting concept which,
you know, all of us wrestle with in some fashion
922
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:35,000
or other. I need a cell phone, I
have to call my daughter. Thank you.
923
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,000
To the large public, he may not be well-known,
well, I'm not sure that he cares about that.
924
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:45,000
I don't think he is an overwhelming success, but
I don't think he will need to be an overwhelming
925
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:50,000
success. There is no quote making it, because if there
was a quote making it he would have made it seven or eight
926
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,000
times already. Whatever I've
managed to accomplish or figure out, that
927
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,000
little bit has been through the result
of Austin Pendleton's teaching and I'm
928
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,000
not the only person in this
country or the world who will
929
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,000
tell you that. No, I'm looking
for my daughter. When it comes
930
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,000
to art and when it comes to theater,
he knows that that's where his life is.
931
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,000
I just think he is going where the work
is. My experience of Austin Pendleton
932
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,000
comes way before he ever knew where I was. I
was in college. I was assigned Oh Dad, Poor Dad,
933
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,000
which I could not figure
out what the fuck the sign
934
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,000
was and I remember going to the front and
935
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,000
going, who plays this part, and it is
Austin Pendleton. I am like, Austin
936
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Pendleton, Austin
Pendleton. My next six soldier
937
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:50,000
was I got into (inaudible)
938
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,000
then I was like, who's this
sound? Austin Pendleton.
939
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:00,000
I started noticing this weird thread
developing about Austin Pendleton. So
940
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,000
then my wife was offered Uncle Vanya
941
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:10,000
and said I decided Austin
Pendleton is directing it.
942
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Not only did he have to
do that, I was like, I have to
943
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,000
be in that with you like desperately, desperately. I
was like everything's going to come together. It seemed
944
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
to be like a thing I never have told
945
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Austin about any of this (inaudible)
946
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,000
on direction and...
He's just a very brilliant,
947
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,000
colorful, kind, patient
person. Growing up, he would
948
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:40,000
say, 'figure out what you love and the rest will fall
into place'. I hoped that will unsettle me and I am
949
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,000
still teaching medical students and residents and assessing
patients and I'm still you know contributing something to both
950
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,000
the field and the people of my life and if I could
add any fraction of the impact he's had, that
951
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,000
to me is being successful. Ladies
and gentlemen, Austin Pendleton.
952
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:05,000
[music]
953
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,000
Okay, that's doesn't
954
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,000
mean I'm going to start at the beginning of my
career and go all the way through it, but that
955
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000
reminded me of a moment, when I was in Oh Dad,
I got this extraordinary role in this play.
956
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,000
Three months after I came to
New York through a series of kindly
957
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,000
flukes, the only factor
that had been left out
958
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,000
of this whole equation was that I
did not yet know how to act. I had no
959
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:40,000
real training, about a month into
960
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,000
the run, I just began to unravel.
I must state, it wasn't just my
961
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,000
imagination. I began to actually
unravel people, people would mention it.
962
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,000
So, financier Jerry, he
963
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:00,000
hadn't seen it a few weeks. I said, Jerry, you probably
don't understand how terrible I am. He said, oh, yes,
964
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,000
I do, I read the performance reports,
965
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,000
I know, I know. So, I should... I
966
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
am going to leave. He said,
I don't want that. If you quit
967
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:20,000
this show, you won't ever act again. First of
all, you'd be too afraid to ever act again, and
968
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:25,000
secondly, of course we will get out if you quit this
show because you just couldn't handle it, you won't ever
969
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:30,000
act again. So, I can't make you stay,
970
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,000
but I want you to be
an actor all your life.
971
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:40,000
So I stay... I said, what should
I do? He says, you work it out.
972
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:45,000
And so, Peter's whole
973
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,000
sensation to being impressed with me when he saw,
saw my name in the cast list that the original
974
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,000
location was based on sand.
975
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Peter spend all his time being intimidated
976
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:05,000
by something that didn't exist
977
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,000
and... but also that story moves me,
978
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:15,000
it moves me because of Jerry
Robbins. The result of that,
979
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,000
that early evening chat one spring in 1962
980
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,000
was that here I'm and
here I'm having been to
981
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,000
work with all these wonderful people. So,
actually I'm thinking everybody. Thank you.
982
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:45,000
[music]
983
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:50,000
This happens, it doesn't
984
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:55,000
ever happened in the program where we
dream up that we do this and then the door
985
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:00,000
opens because of that to this and then we got
a good review here, so that leads to that,
986
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:05,000
and then you know once singular sensation
987
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,000
you know, it hardly ever happens
like that and if it does, if all falls
988
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,000
apart at some point. Oh, shut up.
989
01:24:20,000 --> 01:26:50,000
[music]
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