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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,166 --> 00:00:03,333 - He was a showman, man. 2 00:00:03,433 --> 00:00:05,700 He was Hollywood. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,533 - No one was as exciting, 4 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:10,166 on the court and off the court. 5 00:00:10,266 --> 00:00:13,533 - He was different, and he freaked everyone out. 6 00:00:13,633 --> 00:00:16,966 People just didn't know what to do with it. 7 00:00:17,066 --> 00:00:18,533 - Isn't that just devilish? 8 00:00:18,633 --> 00:00:20,166 And most athletes would never do that. 9 00:00:20,266 --> 00:00:21,566 They would never do that. 10 00:00:21,666 --> 00:00:22,966 - Dennis Rodman. - Dennis Rodman. 11 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:24,700 - Dennis Rodman. 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,500 - Pound for pound, one of the greatest rebounders 13 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,933 to play this game. 14 00:00:29,033 --> 00:00:33,133 - But Dennis has had to struggle with his own demons. 15 00:00:33,233 --> 00:00:35,700 - Dennis Rodman is one of the most insecure people 16 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,066 I've ever met in my life. 17 00:00:37,166 --> 00:00:38,433 - My mother--me and her, 18 00:00:38,533 --> 00:00:40,200 we really don't have this correlation 19 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:41,333 of a son and mother. 20 00:00:41,433 --> 00:00:43,600 - There's one special woman-- Peggy. 21 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:48,033 - My name's Peggy, and I'm the CEO of King Management. 22 00:00:48,133 --> 00:00:49,733 - Peggy was able to come in, 23 00:00:49,833 --> 00:00:51,633 provide him with the things that he needed. 24 00:00:51,733 --> 00:00:53,600 - At you're lowest, she would come in 25 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:54,766 and be the fixer, basically. 26 00:00:54,866 --> 00:00:56,400 She's like your therapist. 27 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:58,533 - I care. I really do. 28 00:00:58,633 --> 00:01:01,033 - She'd morph into whatever the person needed. 29 00:01:01,133 --> 00:01:03,966 But she was just a wolf in sheep's clothing. 30 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:05,700 - Peggy can call it whatever she wants. 31 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,400 She stole money from Dennis, and she used it for herself. 32 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,600 - I lost, lost, lost, lost so much goddamn money, 33 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,000 so much friendship and love. 34 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:13,866 - But it's not even just about the money. 35 00:01:13,966 --> 00:01:16,900 Dennis trusted her implicitly. 36 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,300 - Why? 37 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,666 Why would you do this to somebody you love? 38 00:01:20,765 --> 00:01:22,966 - Really, the most painful part about this-- 39 00:01:23,066 --> 00:01:24,833 the betrayal. 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,566 - Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, 41 00:01:52,666 --> 00:01:54,933 and welcome to the NBA Final. 42 00:01:55,033 --> 00:01:59,033 - The '98 championship was the pinnacle of Rodman's career. 43 00:01:59,133 --> 00:02:01,333 - He was becoming a massive celebrity. 44 00:02:01,433 --> 00:02:03,366 It was when he was first kinda 45 00:02:03,466 --> 00:02:06,600 letting his freak flag fly publicly. 46 00:02:08,433 --> 00:02:12,033 - Dennis Rodman is looking for title number five. 47 00:02:12,133 --> 00:02:13,033 - I go out there, have a good time. 48 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:14,100 I work hard. 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,400 I give the people what they want. 50 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,833 - Love him or hate him, you watched him. 51 00:02:17,933 --> 00:02:19,733 Dennis got all the attention. 52 00:02:19,833 --> 00:02:23,666 - Dennis was prone to making his own rules. 53 00:02:23,766 --> 00:02:26,566 - He was in there grabbing rebounds, playing defense. 54 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,566 - I mean, he'll do anything. 55 00:02:29,666 --> 00:02:33,400 He'll go completely horizontal into the stands to get a ball. 56 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,500 - He was like the bad boy of the NBA. 57 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:40,233 - He would get in your ear and say crazy stuff, or-- 58 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:42,000 you know, he would be grabbing your shorts-- 59 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:44,400 all kind of stuff Dennis used to do, man. 60 00:02:46,466 --> 00:02:48,866 - Dennis Rodman ejected. 61 00:02:48,966 --> 00:02:50,266 - You know, people said that 62 00:02:50,366 --> 00:02:51,833 Dennis Rodman's this, Dennis Rodman's that. 63 00:02:51,933 --> 00:02:53,066 What they can't deny, boy, 64 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:54,766 he's a hell of a basketball player. 65 00:02:54,866 --> 00:02:56,600 - His job was to wreak havoc. 66 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:58,033 - At the end of a long-- 67 00:02:58,133 --> 00:03:00,766 - He kicked the cameraman. He was really upset. 68 00:03:00,866 --> 00:03:02,066 - A very emotional player. 69 00:03:02,166 --> 00:03:04,066 He loved the game, man, and he wanted to win. 70 00:03:04,133 --> 00:03:06,500 - Chicago is world champions once more! 71 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,466 - Nobody had any answers, in the end, for the Bulls. 72 00:03:09,566 --> 00:03:13,533 They beat the Utah Jazz to win another NBA championship. 73 00:03:13,633 --> 00:03:14,833 - A lot of us go through 74 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:16,600 in a whole career and never get that. 75 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:20,300 To do it five times is incredible. 76 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,133 - But he was now in a different realm of celebrity. 77 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:28,766 - No one was as exciting, 78 00:03:28,866 --> 00:03:30,466 on the court and off the court. 79 00:03:30,566 --> 00:03:32,433 You'll have an 80-year-old woman walk up to him, 80 00:03:32,533 --> 00:03:33,566 wanting to take him home. 81 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:38,700 - It was a frenzy around him. 82 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,200 - He kind of dances to the beat of his own drum 83 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,533 because he does not care what anyone thinks about him, 84 00:03:46,633 --> 00:03:47,633 for better or worse. 85 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:53,166 Prior to Dennis, tattoos were very taboo in the NBA. 86 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:55,366 He was the first person to really 87 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:57,566 bring tattoos into popular culture. 88 00:03:57,666 --> 00:04:00,266 Full sleeves, tattoos on his neck-- 89 00:04:00,366 --> 00:04:02,066 he started coloring his hair, 90 00:04:02,166 --> 00:04:04,766 and he just really just went wild. 91 00:04:04,866 --> 00:04:06,800 - In the sports world, it freaked everyone out. 92 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,433 People just didn't know what to do with it. 93 00:04:09,533 --> 00:04:11,933 - All right. Hey, everybody. 94 00:04:12,033 --> 00:04:13,533 - He started dating Madonna. 95 00:04:13,633 --> 00:04:15,200 - Thanks, Madonna. 96 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:16,433 Thanks, Madonna. - Thank you. 97 00:04:16,533 --> 00:04:18,866 - He started expressing some ideas 98 00:04:18,966 --> 00:04:23,700 that were not common for American athletes. 99 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,000 - Isn't that daring? Isn't that just devilish? 100 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,633 And most athletes would never do that. 101 00:04:27,733 --> 00:04:29,266 They would never do that. 102 00:04:29,366 --> 00:04:32,600 - Rodman was scheduled to autograph copies of his book, 103 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:34,900 "Bad As I Wanna Be," which happens to be 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,766 too bad for family viewing. 105 00:04:38,166 --> 00:04:40,466 Dennis showed up in a horse-drawn carriage. 106 00:04:40,566 --> 00:04:42,966 - He just was different, and he was comfortable 107 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:46,066 being different and took it to another level. 108 00:04:46,166 --> 00:04:47,800 - He was no wife-to-be, 109 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:49,733 but that didn't stop the frenzy. 110 00:04:49,832 --> 00:04:51,933 This lady fainted in the crush. 111 00:04:52,033 --> 00:04:54,033 - There is no one else like Dennis Rodman. 112 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:56,133 He is one of a kind. 113 00:04:56,233 --> 00:04:58,832 - We know you signed for $9 million. 114 00:04:58,933 --> 00:05:00,100 - Somewhat like-- something like that. 115 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,166 - For Reebok. 116 00:05:01,266 --> 00:05:02,166 You are paid fairly. 117 00:05:02,266 --> 00:05:03,500 - i-- 118 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,466 I think I'm underpaid about a half million. 119 00:05:05,566 --> 00:05:07,066 - About a half a million? 120 00:05:07,166 --> 00:05:08,366 At that rate, you care? 121 00:05:08,466 --> 00:05:09,700 - You know, a half mil-- I could, you know, 122 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,733 take the half mil and party with my closest friends. 123 00:05:17,033 --> 00:05:19,966 - He made many millions of dollars a year. 124 00:05:20,066 --> 00:05:22,300 But it's not a secret. I mean, Dennis likes to party. 125 00:05:25,633 --> 00:05:28,933 - Oh, man, I was assigned by "Sports Illustrated" 126 00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:31,666 to do a feature on Dennis. 127 00:05:31,766 --> 00:05:34,500 I introduced myself and told him I wanted to hang out 128 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,200 and, you know, spend some time with him. 129 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,033 He said, "Bro, we're in LA. 130 00:05:39,133 --> 00:05:40,900 We're gonna party, bro. Come on." 131 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,433 It was madness. 132 00:05:42,533 --> 00:05:48,533 We went on a four-night, four-day, three-state bender. 133 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:51,600 He really consumes alcohol at a freakish level. 134 00:05:54,233 --> 00:05:56,933 And then I wrote the infamous cover story 135 00:05:57,033 --> 00:06:00,266 as Dennis and his stripper friend 136 00:06:00,366 --> 00:06:02,633 made noises in the other bedroom, 137 00:06:02,733 --> 00:06:05,733 and a friendship was born. 138 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,600 - Looking at some basketball news, 139 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:15,133 it's time for another chapter of "As the Worm Turns." 140 00:06:15,233 --> 00:06:16,800 Dennis Rodman is retiring. 141 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:17,900 - When Dennis retired from the NBA, 142 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,733 he had millions of dollars, 143 00:06:19,832 --> 00:06:21,766 and he was one of the more fortunate pro athletes 144 00:06:21,866 --> 00:06:24,400 who have retired with tremendous earning potential. 145 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:27,433 - Dennis live from Ocean Manor in Fort Lauderdale. 146 00:06:27,533 --> 00:06:28,800 - What's up, Andy and Sandy, San Antonio? 147 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:30,332 - There was no shortage of people that wanted 148 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:32,733 to do business with Dennis. 149 00:06:32,832 --> 00:06:34,666 My job is to help Dennis make money, 150 00:06:34,766 --> 00:06:37,366 to get him in great deals, to make the money, 151 00:06:37,466 --> 00:06:38,733 not to manage it. 152 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,000 - Dennis didn't love balancing his checkbook 153 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,600 or figuring out a retirement strategy. 154 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:47,900 I always worried about his future 155 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,533 because I know he's not keeping track 156 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:51,300 of money and details. 157 00:06:52,966 --> 00:06:55,266 - I've represented dozens of athletes in issues 158 00:06:55,366 --> 00:06:57,633 involving investment fraud and investment mismanagement, 159 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:00,333 everywhere from theft from their accounts 160 00:07:00,433 --> 00:07:03,733 to Ponzi schemes, fraudulent investments. 161 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:05,766 Athletes and entertainers are easy targets 162 00:07:05,866 --> 00:07:08,700 because everybody knows they make a lot of money. 163 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,066 A person will get a foot in the circle with one athlete. 164 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:13,966 They're at events, they're at parties. 165 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:17,200 They're able to build this false sense of trust. 166 00:07:22,633 --> 00:07:24,800 - Does Dennis Rodman like to party? 167 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:26,466 Does a bear shit in the woods 168 00:07:26,566 --> 00:07:28,733 and wipe his ass with a fluffy white rabbit? 169 00:07:28,832 --> 00:07:31,633 My good friend starts a breakfast-- 170 00:07:31,733 --> 00:07:33,566 full vodka sodas. 171 00:07:33,666 --> 00:07:34,666 That's breakfast. 172 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:39,433 I meet Dennis Rodman at Fashion Week. 173 00:07:39,533 --> 00:07:42,366 Me and Dennis hung out for about a year and a half. 174 00:07:42,466 --> 00:07:46,332 Hard--very, very hard. 175 00:07:46,433 --> 00:07:47,633 I mean, we go to a strip club. 176 00:07:47,733 --> 00:07:48,933 We got some money rolling. 177 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:51,933 We spend 2,000 a day. 178 00:07:52,033 --> 00:07:54,266 And if we really cutting up, 179 00:07:54,366 --> 00:07:56,900 we'll spend 5,000 at the nightclub. 180 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,233 You know, there's been times where I had 181 00:07:58,332 --> 00:08:00,766 a $100,000 American Express Card, 182 00:08:00,866 --> 00:08:04,133 and that ain't got no more juice on it. 183 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,966 - Dennis thought, "I never expected to have a dime. 184 00:08:08,066 --> 00:08:10,233 This is all crazy, what's happened to me. 185 00:08:10,333 --> 00:08:13,600 He tried to surround himself with people that he thought 186 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:18,033 were his people and hoped that they'd take care 187 00:08:18,133 --> 00:08:20,200 of a lot of the adult stuff. 188 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:22,666 - I was part of King Management Group. 189 00:08:22,766 --> 00:08:26,332 Dennis said, "Elkin, I want you to run everything-- 190 00:08:26,433 --> 00:08:28,033 "run everything. 191 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:29,233 "You're my point guy. 192 00:08:29,332 --> 00:08:30,666 You're my--you're my dude." 193 00:08:30,766 --> 00:08:34,566 Now King Management Group got something. 194 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:39,866 - Somebody Dennis works with called me and said, 195 00:08:39,966 --> 00:08:41,933 "Hey, Dennis has a new business manager. 196 00:08:42,033 --> 00:08:45,033 Her name is Peggy. You gotta go meet her." 197 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:48,066 - My name's Peggy, and I'm the CEO of King Management. 198 00:08:48,165 --> 00:08:49,966 King management is a company I founded 199 00:08:50,066 --> 00:08:52,133 because I wanted to help professional athletes 200 00:08:52,233 --> 00:08:53,566 manage their finances. 201 00:08:55,133 --> 00:08:56,833 - Dennis met me at her house. 202 00:08:56,933 --> 00:08:58,900 She was living in this 8,000 square foot mansion 203 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,866 in a very prestigious neighborhood-- 204 00:09:01,966 --> 00:09:04,533 ocean access, 150-foot dock that you could put 205 00:09:04,633 --> 00:09:06,266 a yacht back there and get on the ocean. 206 00:09:06,366 --> 00:09:07,966 Nice cars out front. 207 00:09:08,066 --> 00:09:10,966 We waited for a few minutes, and down the stairs, 208 00:09:11,033 --> 00:09:13,666 like, making a grand entrance is this woman. 209 00:09:13,766 --> 00:09:16,066 She's like, "Hi, I'm Peggy." 210 00:09:16,166 --> 00:09:19,466 She was put together-- hair, nails, diamonds-- 211 00:09:19,566 --> 00:09:20,900 boom, boom, boom. 212 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,266 She had all that going, kind of like ghetto fabulous. 213 00:09:24,366 --> 00:09:25,800 She said she was an attorney. 214 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:28,000 She had a little Harvard degree in her office. 215 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:29,633 She had a lot of charisma. 216 00:09:29,733 --> 00:09:32,233 And she had a very successful sports management business, 217 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:34,266 including clients like Travis Best 218 00:09:34,366 --> 00:09:36,500 and Rashad McCants. 219 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,100 She said, "My brother, Elkin, is gonna be doing 220 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,566 some of the day-to-day stuff." 221 00:09:40,665 --> 00:09:42,866 And someone who was helping Peggy I just assumed 222 00:09:42,966 --> 00:09:44,866 would be good for Dennis. 223 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:49,233 - I guess our roles in King Management Group was, 224 00:09:49,333 --> 00:09:50,700 I was more operations. 225 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,700 She was more financial. 226 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,500 I gotta get him to the gigs. 227 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,033 I live in his building. 228 00:09:56,133 --> 00:09:57,633 I drive him everywhere. 229 00:09:57,733 --> 00:09:59,000 I wake him up. 230 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:01,133 I put his ass to sleep. 231 00:10:01,233 --> 00:10:03,933 Peggy--she's the back of the house. 232 00:10:04,033 --> 00:10:05,300 She collects the money 233 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,033 and makes all the things happen behind the scenes. 234 00:10:09,133 --> 00:10:11,633 - I thought it would be good for Dennis. 235 00:10:11,733 --> 00:10:14,600 She would give him, like, an allowance. 236 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:16,333 She was gonna pay his bills, 237 00:10:16,433 --> 00:10:17,800 make sure his taxes were filed, 238 00:10:17,866 --> 00:10:21,233 and take care of child support issues. 239 00:10:21,333 --> 00:10:25,466 That was what she used to get him drawn into her web. 240 00:10:25,566 --> 00:10:27,466 If I had only known at that time, 241 00:10:27,566 --> 00:10:30,033 I would have told Dennis, run. 242 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:42,133 - Dennis was family. 243 00:10:42,233 --> 00:10:45,066 He would always talk about my dad being his dad, 244 00:10:45,165 --> 00:10:46,700 Elkin being his son, 245 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,700 and I mean, we had a very close relationship. 246 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,165 I mean, we were always hanging out. 247 00:10:51,266 --> 00:10:54,500 Dennis had an open-door policy to my home. 248 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,733 Dennis was at my home almost every single day. 249 00:10:56,833 --> 00:10:58,933 He never would say, "Hey, I'm coming over." 250 00:10:59,033 --> 00:11:00,800 He would just show up. 251 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:02,300 He went into my refrigerator. 252 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,933 He ate my food. 253 00:11:04,033 --> 00:11:06,800 I mean, it was almost like he lived there. 254 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,866 But Dennis was so broken 255 00:11:08,966 --> 00:11:11,033 and wanted to put back the pieces-- 256 00:11:11,133 --> 00:11:12,400 the broken pieces. 257 00:11:17,233 --> 00:11:18,666 - Peggy played a role in his life 258 00:11:18,766 --> 00:11:21,833 that he needed at that time. 259 00:11:21,933 --> 00:11:23,733 Like many people, Dennis has had to struggle 260 00:11:23,866 --> 00:11:25,500 with his own demons. 261 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,866 She was that motherly figure for him-- 262 00:11:27,966 --> 00:11:29,633 like, Dennis, you shouldn't be doing this. 263 00:11:29,733 --> 00:11:31,333 You know, maybe you shouldn't drink as much, 264 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:32,800 or maybe you should do this. 265 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:36,033 And it got him to trust her. 266 00:11:36,133 --> 00:11:37,333 - I didn't have a mother. 267 00:11:37,433 --> 00:11:39,400 I think my mother--me and her, 268 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,333 we really don't have this correlation 269 00:11:41,433 --> 00:11:43,566 of a son and mother. 270 00:11:43,665 --> 00:11:45,533 I've been by myself for so long. 271 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:52,600 - Dennis grew up in total abject poverty. 272 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:55,566 Father left their family soon after he was born, 273 00:11:55,665 --> 00:11:57,665 so the family moved to Dallas-- 274 00:11:57,733 --> 00:11:59,833 Dennis and his two sisters and his mother, 275 00:11:59,933 --> 00:12:03,033 and they lived in the South Oak Cliff projects. 276 00:12:03,133 --> 00:12:05,433 He never felt properly loved. 277 00:12:05,533 --> 00:12:07,466 He had a lot of conflict with his mother. 278 00:12:07,566 --> 00:12:10,866 And at a certain point, she kicked him out of the house. 279 00:12:13,866 --> 00:12:16,566 He ends up growing a bunch, and all of the sudden, 280 00:12:16,666 --> 00:12:21,033 this 5'11" awkward kid is 6'7" now, 281 00:12:21,133 --> 00:12:25,066 which, it's definitely not a ticket to the NBA, 282 00:12:25,166 --> 00:12:28,166 but it could at least get you onto a very, very small 283 00:12:28,266 --> 00:12:32,800 college team that'll take a gamble on your potential. 284 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:35,066 He did the rest. 285 00:12:35,165 --> 00:12:39,333 - I get off the bus and walk to the gym every day. 286 00:12:39,433 --> 00:12:41,566 Before a game, I go to a gym. 287 00:12:41,665 --> 00:12:44,333 After practice, go to a gym. After the game, be in the gym. 288 00:12:52,533 --> 00:12:55,700 - He was drafted in the second round by the Detroit Pistons. 289 00:12:57,866 --> 00:13:00,866 - They were tough. They were blue collar. 290 00:13:00,966 --> 00:13:02,066 Dennis came and fit right in. 291 00:13:02,166 --> 00:13:03,533 - Rodman with a push. 292 00:13:03,633 --> 00:13:05,366 - We got in many fights with Detroit. 293 00:13:05,466 --> 00:13:07,633 - Laimbeer will come back with a uppercut. 294 00:13:07,733 --> 00:13:09,466 - They were bad boys. 295 00:13:09,566 --> 00:13:11,900 - He was the new wrestling villain. 296 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,366 - One of the most physical, dominant players, 297 00:13:14,466 --> 00:13:16,200 doing a lot of the dirty work. 298 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:17,600 - He kind of built his own brand, 299 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:19,633 and it worked for him. 300 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:21,100 - Dennis was this big character 301 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,100 who demanded attention, 302 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,400 and wanting to do things his own way. 303 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,666 - He ended up not only making the NBA 304 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:31,400 but becoming a full-fledged superstar. 305 00:13:35,966 --> 00:13:38,900 - Peggy had a lot of love for Dennis Rodman 306 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,100 because she saw that he was a lonely soul. 307 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,266 - You wanna be humble, and--and--and-- 308 00:13:46,366 --> 00:13:48,500 - You can say it, Dennis. You wanna be loved. 309 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,600 - It's kind of hard for me to say. 310 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,133 - The role that Peggy assumed in Dennis's life 311 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:55,233 was all-encompassing-- in his personal affairs, 312 00:13:55,333 --> 00:13:56,966 in his business affairs. 313 00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:59,266 Peggy was not going to charge Dennis 314 00:13:59,366 --> 00:14:01,266 any fees for her services. 315 00:14:01,366 --> 00:14:03,866 However, she was going to make a percentage 316 00:14:03,966 --> 00:14:05,800 on any gains of any investments. 317 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:07,266 I thought it was a little odd. 318 00:14:07,366 --> 00:14:10,066 I don't know anyone doing taxes and bill-paying service 319 00:14:10,133 --> 00:14:11,800 that's not charging something. 320 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:13,666 And what was most insidious was, 321 00:14:13,766 --> 00:14:16,366 she started getting power of attorney. 322 00:14:16,466 --> 00:14:19,700 So when Dennis would perform a deal, 323 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,333 we would receive his money. 324 00:14:21,433 --> 00:14:22,733 She set up some accounts. 325 00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:24,400 Peggy gave us the wiring information, 326 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,766 and we sent it to where he wanted us to send it. 327 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,800 - Any time you're in a position of fame and glory, 328 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:36,266 you're gonna always attract the vultures 329 00:14:36,366 --> 00:14:38,433 that's gonna come out and take advantage of you. 330 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,665 - Young athletes might make a few million a year, 331 00:14:42,766 --> 00:14:44,633 but you know, the big contracts, nowadays-- 332 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:47,933 you're looking at 10, 20, 30, 40 million a year. 333 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,300 And there's bad advisors out there 334 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,833 taking advantage of athletes. 335 00:14:52,933 --> 00:14:55,933 Once they have a big-name client, people assume, 336 00:14:56,033 --> 00:14:59,600 "Well, they're--you know, probably pretty good." 337 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:02,233 - By this time, Peggy had won the trust of others 338 00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:06,333 with her roster, now including more NBA and NFL stars. 339 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,833 - Most people know me as Ricky Williams. 340 00:15:10,933 --> 00:15:14,266 - And Ricky Williams explodes down the sidelines. 341 00:15:14,366 --> 00:15:15,966 - I was a running back, and I was known for being 342 00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:17,866 explosive and physical. 343 00:15:17,933 --> 00:15:20,800 - Ricky Williams is one of the great 344 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:22,466 college football players-- 345 00:15:22,566 --> 00:15:25,333 big, fast, strong, relentless. 346 00:15:25,433 --> 00:15:27,866 Every time you turned on a highlight, 347 00:15:27,966 --> 00:15:31,133 he was just running through people and past people. 348 00:15:31,233 --> 00:15:34,500 He looked like a man amongst boys. 349 00:15:42,366 --> 00:15:44,633 - Moving from college to the NFL-- 350 00:15:44,733 --> 00:15:46,366 it affected my mental health. 351 00:15:46,466 --> 00:15:50,133 But the feedback I got was "shut up and run the ball." 352 00:15:50,233 --> 00:15:52,933 When I first met Peggy, I'd just turned 22. 353 00:15:53,033 --> 00:15:56,400 I buy this house, and never really had anything. 354 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:59,000 One day, I was at the store looking for furniture, 355 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:00,866 and Peggy was there. 356 00:16:00,966 --> 00:16:03,933 And she helped me go around the French Quarter and collect art 357 00:16:04,033 --> 00:16:07,666 and just the little knickknacks to make the place look nice, 358 00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:10,000 you know, like a woman's touch. 359 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:12,566 After that, anything that I needed help with, 360 00:16:12,666 --> 00:16:14,200 she would come in and assist. 361 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:16,966 In that way, she started to build trust. 362 00:16:17,066 --> 00:16:19,300 - Yeah, I think Dennis Rodman and Ricky Williams 363 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,500 both have trust issues because of where they came from, 364 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,800 and you know, Ricky has documented social anxiety. 365 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:27,600 That's a real thing. 366 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,300 - Ricky Williams is my best friend. 367 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,966 I think Ricky and Peggy clicked so well 368 00:16:37,066 --> 00:16:41,333 because Ricky's the quiet one and Peggy's the outgoing one. 369 00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:44,466 I started working with Peggy to just run errands 370 00:16:44,566 --> 00:16:45,533 and things like that, so that's how 371 00:16:45,633 --> 00:16:48,133 we actually really got close. 372 00:16:48,233 --> 00:16:49,766 - Ricky Williams is a star. 373 00:16:49,866 --> 00:16:51,133 He's at the top. 374 00:16:51,233 --> 00:16:54,366 And all of a sudden, he walks away from all of it. 375 00:16:54,466 --> 00:16:57,266 - I failed a drug test, but I chose to retire 376 00:16:57,333 --> 00:16:59,000 after the failed drug test. 377 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:01,266 People looked at it as I chose cannabis, 378 00:17:01,366 --> 00:17:03,866 marijuana over football. 379 00:17:03,966 --> 00:17:06,133 After that, I was, like, outcast. 380 00:17:07,566 --> 00:17:09,599 Peggy was very helpful in helping me 381 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,000 get back on my feet. 382 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,366 - At your lowest, she would come in and be the fixer. 383 00:17:17,465 --> 00:17:19,066 She's like your therapist. 384 00:17:19,165 --> 00:17:20,766 She was the person that could come around 385 00:17:20,866 --> 00:17:22,900 and kinda be like a counselor to you 386 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,333 and kinda talk you through whatever negative, 387 00:17:26,433 --> 00:17:28,733 bad things that you were going through. 388 00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:30,966 - Ricky Williams and his wife Kristen 389 00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:32,700 are some of my best friends. 390 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,633 We have a very, very, very special bond. 391 00:17:34,733 --> 00:17:36,500 I consider him like a brother. 392 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,033 I care. I really do. 393 00:17:40,033 --> 00:17:42,766 - Peggy had endeared herself to Ricky 394 00:17:42,866 --> 00:17:44,833 in a motherly sort of way. 395 00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,033 Peggy was just so part of our family 396 00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:51,733 and ingrained in our lives. 397 00:17:51,833 --> 00:17:53,666 When I had our first child, 398 00:17:53,766 --> 00:17:55,833 she even brought me home from the hospital. 399 00:17:55,933 --> 00:17:58,166 She just makes you feel like you're the only thing 400 00:17:58,266 --> 00:17:59,566 in the world that matters. 401 00:17:59,666 --> 00:18:02,633 - But she was just a wolf in sheep's clothing. 402 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,966 - Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis Rodman. 403 00:18:17,233 --> 00:18:20,600 - When you're selected to the Basketball Hall of Fame, 404 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:23,600 that's being anointed as royalty. 405 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:26,666 - That moment when he stepped off that carpet 406 00:18:26,766 --> 00:18:28,433 and hugged both of us-- 407 00:18:28,533 --> 00:18:31,933 it was just a very exhilarating moment. 408 00:18:32,033 --> 00:18:34,533 I was sitting in the audience with Peggy, 409 00:18:34,633 --> 00:18:36,333 and I'm looking at her, and I was like, 410 00:18:36,433 --> 00:18:38,933 "I hope he doesn't mess this speech up." 411 00:18:39,033 --> 00:18:40,833 She goes, "Me, too, baby." 412 00:18:40,933 --> 00:18:43,233 - Peggy King, Elkin King, the family that-- 413 00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:44,766 these guys are taking care of me these days. 414 00:18:44,866 --> 00:18:45,833 Thank you, Peggy. 415 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:48,566 - It was very significant. 416 00:18:48,666 --> 00:18:50,666 It just showed you how close that they really were. 417 00:18:50,766 --> 00:18:52,766 She had her hooks in very deep. 418 00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:55,966 - That one moment in life-- 419 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:58,233 I was probably his best friend in the whole wide world. 420 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,700 - There were significant warning signs 421 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,366 of what was to come next. 422 00:19:03,466 --> 00:19:04,900 Something just did not add up 423 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,933 about Elkin's relationship with Peggy. 424 00:19:08,033 --> 00:19:10,133 - Elkin was always in the picture. 425 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,400 And I was told that he was Peggy's youngest brother. 426 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:19,666 But then I started to become a little suspicious of Elkin 427 00:19:19,766 --> 00:19:23,866 and noticed that he had a tattoo on his upper arm 428 00:19:23,966 --> 00:19:30,066 that said "King," and that was one of Peggy's married names, 429 00:19:30,166 --> 00:19:34,133 so that wouldn't have been Elkin's last name. 430 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,666 But when I ask about it, 431 00:19:38,766 --> 00:19:42,800 they said that he felt like he was a King. 432 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:44,566 - The whole time, she was lying, 433 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:46,866 and Elkin was her son. 434 00:19:46,966 --> 00:19:49,133 - People who are willing to lie about their children 435 00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:51,066 are pretty much gonna be willing to lie about anything. 436 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:52,133 - I'm looking back-- 437 00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:53,533 I'm sitting here thinking to myself, 438 00:19:53,633 --> 00:19:55,433 "And why wasn't that a red flag?" 439 00:20:03,566 --> 00:20:05,800 - Peggy laid out the red carpet 440 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:07,500 for me being the brother. 441 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,633 I meet somebody, and they say, "Oh, 442 00:20:09,733 --> 00:20:12,433 your sister told me all about you." 443 00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:15,166 Well, you're kinda jumped in the situation. 444 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:16,866 - All right, I'm gonna blow out the candles. 445 00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:19,166 - You make a wish? - That one? Okay. 446 00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:21,933 - What am I gonna do? 447 00:20:22,033 --> 00:20:23,500 I'm not gonna embarrass my family member. 448 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:28,066 - It was suspicious. 449 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:30,566 But at the time, there were a lot of things 450 00:20:30,666 --> 00:20:33,000 just kind of overlooked. 451 00:20:34,766 --> 00:20:36,766 Peggy had all of the charm in the world, 452 00:20:36,866 --> 00:20:39,033 and she would straight up look you in the eye 453 00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:42,500 and squash any doubt that you had. 454 00:20:48,766 --> 00:20:52,766 2009, Peggy actually has our wedding reception 455 00:20:52,866 --> 00:20:54,400 at her house. 456 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,633 And thank you, Peggy. 457 00:20:59,966 --> 00:21:01,066 - She had a chef. 458 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:02,633 She had everything going on. 459 00:21:02,733 --> 00:21:04,300 It looked amazing. 460 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,733 - I look up, and Dennis Rodman was there. 461 00:21:08,833 --> 00:21:09,833 - All right. 462 00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:13,066 - Peggy actually had invited him. 463 00:21:13,166 --> 00:21:16,266 - Peggy, you've found something that most people, 464 00:21:16,366 --> 00:21:19,000 like me, can't get. 465 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:20,900 Life is good. And guess what? 466 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,866 It is amazing that you always do one thing. 467 00:21:23,933 --> 00:21:27,633 You change you for the better-- 468 00:21:27,733 --> 00:21:29,466 for the better, and it's amazing. 469 00:21:29,566 --> 00:21:32,466 - He actually had the loveliest toast of the night. 470 00:21:32,566 --> 00:21:34,966 - There's one special woman 471 00:21:35,066 --> 00:21:36,333 we have to appreciate right now, 472 00:21:36,433 --> 00:21:40,900 that did this whole thing for Ricky and Kristen today. 473 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,900 Peggy. 474 00:21:49,366 --> 00:21:50,900 - So almost from the beginning when Peggy took over 475 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,933 Dennis's finances, there were problems. 476 00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:54,933 Dennis would call me-- 477 00:21:55,033 --> 00:21:57,133 AJ, my cable is turned off. 478 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,200 AJ, I just got home. My power is off. 479 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,566 I'm like, "What do you mean, your power is off? 480 00:22:01,666 --> 00:22:02,566 What are you talking about?" 481 00:22:02,666 --> 00:22:04,166 The landlord's calling me. 482 00:22:04,266 --> 00:22:05,966 Where's the money? 483 00:22:06,066 --> 00:22:07,000 He's got money. 484 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,500 Why are his bills not being paid? 485 00:22:10,133 --> 00:22:12,766 - Peggy seemed to be making a lot of money. 486 00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:14,200 She had all these diamonds on. 487 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,166 She had Gucci everything, all the way down to, 488 00:22:17,266 --> 00:22:19,000 her shoes were Gucci. 489 00:22:20,866 --> 00:22:22,966 - So I just told Dennis, "Hey, keep an eye on your accounts. 490 00:22:23,066 --> 00:22:24,433 "Make sure she gives you a statement 491 00:22:24,533 --> 00:22:25,833 "so you can see the debits and credits, 492 00:22:25,933 --> 00:22:26,933 what's coming, what's going." 493 00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:28,233 And I thought that was happening, 494 00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:29,933 but clearly, it wasn't. 495 00:22:33,933 --> 00:22:38,166 - Dennis Rodman was broke as a joke, okay? 496 00:22:38,266 --> 00:22:42,766 The guy could literally sit at that bar for 25 minutes 497 00:22:42,866 --> 00:22:44,933 and run up a $200 tab. 498 00:22:45,033 --> 00:22:47,766 And there's all of these people gerrating and kaboushing 499 00:22:47,866 --> 00:22:49,166 and drinking all his liquor. 500 00:22:49,266 --> 00:22:50,800 And oh, order this. 501 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:53,433 - Any comment-- any comment about the finances? 502 00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:54,966 - Comment about the finances. 503 00:22:55,066 --> 00:22:57,666 He's broke and sick, mother , and we're over it. 504 00:22:57,766 --> 00:23:00,166 He just wasn't making enough money-- 505 00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:04,233 not enough money coming in to pay , period. 506 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:05,300 Nope, no more money. We're done. 507 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,733 - Don't run the check. 508 00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:09,000 - You know what I call it? I call it millionaire broke. 509 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,166 He's hot during the basketball season, 510 00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:14,666 but there is a cold period where we don't make nothing. 511 00:23:14,766 --> 00:23:16,333 - That's actually not true. 512 00:23:16,433 --> 00:23:18,500 He spends money, but, you know, he makes a lot of money. 513 00:23:25,566 --> 00:23:27,333 Dennis was booming. 514 00:23:27,433 --> 00:23:30,800 He was on "The Celebrity Apprentice" with Donald Trump. 515 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,633 - Dennis, you're fired. 516 00:23:32,733 --> 00:23:36,833 - He was doing business deals that included licensing, 517 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,200 appearances, television, and film. 518 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,033 - An international conspiracy. 519 00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:44,800 - I need a partner. - I'm the man. 520 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:45,900 - And so there's no reason why 521 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,266 he shouldn't be able to pay his bills. 522 00:23:51,533 --> 00:23:52,700 - Here we go, baby. 523 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,666 Every day is a chance for me... 524 00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:57,566 - Dennis had some child support issues in California. 525 00:23:57,666 --> 00:23:59,166 I didn't understand why 526 00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:00,600 the child support wasn't getting paid. 527 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:02,766 Peggy was supposed to handle those things. 528 00:24:02,866 --> 00:24:04,633 And I'm blowing up Peggy like, 529 00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:06,733 "Peggy, what is going on with this? 530 00:24:06,833 --> 00:24:09,333 He should be able to easily pay this." 531 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:11,766 - You owe $800,000 in child support. 532 00:24:11,866 --> 00:24:13,300 - Right. 533 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,600 - I mean, they call--they call men like that deadbeat dads. 534 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:16,766 - I'm not a deadbeat dad at all. 535 00:24:16,866 --> 00:24:17,800 - You've paid child support? 536 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,766 - Yeah, I pay child support. 537 00:24:19,866 --> 00:24:21,866 - Through the child support case, 538 00:24:21,966 --> 00:24:24,300 he had to turn over financial disclosures. 539 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,200 There were purchases being made from Dennis accounts, 540 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,733 and his attorney was asking him, "Hey, 541 00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:31,733 "did you make this purchase of $2,000 at Victoria's Secret? 542 00:24:31,833 --> 00:24:34,366 "Did you buy these plane tickets to Paris? 543 00:24:34,466 --> 00:24:35,933 Did you pay for this? Did you pay for that?" 544 00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:37,133 And Dennis was like, "I have no idea 545 00:24:37,233 --> 00:24:38,233 what any of those charges are." 546 00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:42,300 He's like, "Something's going on." 547 00:24:44,366 --> 00:24:47,566 It was that point that she explained why 548 00:24:47,666 --> 00:24:50,100 she was spending money from Dennis's account. 549 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,200 Peggy told us she was trying to hide money 550 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,066 from her ex-husband, putting some of her money 551 00:24:54,166 --> 00:24:57,033 in Dennis's accounts to pay for things she was doing, 552 00:24:57,133 --> 00:24:58,300 which was a total lie. 553 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,666 Nobody would do that. 554 00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,333 She was a total fraud. 555 00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:04,300 - I think that she kept feeding herself this lie 556 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,500 over and over again, that she just lived 557 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,133 in this storybook world. 558 00:25:08,233 --> 00:25:09,866 - The walls were starting to close in, 559 00:25:09,966 --> 00:25:11,533 things were starting to catch up with her. 560 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,300 - This call is from a federal prison. 561 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,200 This call is from-- 562 00:25:17,266 --> 00:25:19,400 - Peggy. 563 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,933 I don't deserve to be here. 564 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:23,766 I really don't. 565 00:25:58,666 --> 00:26:00,533 - For reasons that none of us can explain, 566 00:26:00,633 --> 00:26:03,166 Dennis kept Peggy on as his financial advisor. 567 00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:05,700 - He tended to ignore problems 568 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,966 and kind of push them away to try to avoid them. 569 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:09,466 - How are you doing financially? 570 00:26:09,566 --> 00:26:10,666 - I'm okay. 571 00:26:10,766 --> 00:26:12,833 I'm okay, brother. Like I say, I'm okay. 572 00:26:19,666 --> 00:26:21,800 - Dennis sometimes makes decisions 573 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,733 no one can understand but him. 574 00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:27,066 - So there's a gentleman who calls one of Dennis's agents, 575 00:26:27,166 --> 00:26:30,100 and he says, I want Dennis to go to North Korea 576 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,033 and meet Kim Jong-un. 577 00:26:35,133 --> 00:26:36,833 - They have a lot of human rights violations, 578 00:26:36,933 --> 00:26:38,433 a lot of problems over there. 579 00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:40,533 I fought against this deal, but I couldn't stop it. 580 00:26:40,633 --> 00:26:42,066 - The proposal was, 581 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:44,666 he's already asked Michael Jordan. 582 00:26:44,766 --> 00:26:45,833 wrong. 583 00:26:45,933 --> 00:26:47,833 He's already asked Scottie Pippen. 584 00:26:47,933 --> 00:26:49,800 Nah. 585 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:53,300 Will you bums go? 586 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,666 I mean, yeah, we like money. 587 00:26:54,766 --> 00:26:57,200 Yeah, we'll go. 588 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,466 - He's had his uncle executed, 589 00:27:03,566 --> 00:27:05,866 hasn't met with any foreign dignitaries, 590 00:27:05,966 --> 00:27:07,333 but he's warmly receiving 591 00:27:07,433 --> 00:27:10,333 an eccentric ex-basketball player, Dennis Rodman. 592 00:27:10,433 --> 00:27:11,866 - It's my first time. 593 00:27:11,966 --> 00:27:14,066 I think it's most these guys' first time here, 594 00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:17,333 so hopefully they're gonna be okay, and... 595 00:27:17,433 --> 00:27:20,366 - The premise of the trip was that we're gonna use sports 596 00:27:20,466 --> 00:27:23,700 to introduce ourselves to a Communist country 597 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600 that we aren't, like, cool with, right? 598 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:28,000 So I get off the plane. 599 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,700 It's a lot like Rocky when he gets off the plane, 600 00:27:30,766 --> 00:27:32,400 and like the Russians, you know? 601 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,366 It's, like, this snow thing. 602 00:27:34,466 --> 00:27:36,400 I got my coat on, and there's Dennis. 603 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,633 And I look at him like, dude, why the are we here? 604 00:27:39,733 --> 00:27:43,733 But at the end of the day, Kim and Rodney got cool. 605 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,300 It was just chill. 606 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,600 They had a vibe. 607 00:27:50,266 --> 00:27:52,300 - While this was going on, 608 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,933 Peggy's lies were really beginning to unravel 609 00:27:55,033 --> 00:27:57,200 here in the U.S. 610 00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:01,100 - I started to realize that there was trouble. 611 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,066 Summer of 2013, and I got a letter from the IRS, 612 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:07,200 and they said I owed them over $350,000 in taxes. 613 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,800 - I was, of course, in a complete panic 614 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,166 because the IRS does not make mistakes. 615 00:28:12,466 --> 00:28:14,766 - Kristen called me, and she explained to me 616 00:28:14,866 --> 00:28:16,733 that the IRS was asking for money. 617 00:28:16,833 --> 00:28:21,566 And my first thing to her was, doesn't Peggy pay your taxes? 618 00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:26,200 Then I pause, and I'm like, "She didn't pay your taxes. 619 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:27,533 Like, wow." 620 00:28:31,866 --> 00:28:34,000 - People are taking me serious as more of a, uh, you know, 621 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,533 you could say similar to ambassador now. 622 00:28:36,633 --> 00:28:38,600 - The trip was like... 623 00:28:38,666 --> 00:28:41,533 You ever seen "The Truman Show"? 624 00:28:41,633 --> 00:28:43,433 Just--everybody lied to us about everything. 625 00:28:43,533 --> 00:28:45,233 Like, oh what's that parade? 626 00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:46,966 Oh, it's the parade for you guys. 627 00:28:47,066 --> 00:28:50,966 No, it was, like, for the nuclear testing scientists. 628 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,833 - Basketball star Dennis Rodman 629 00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:57,766 and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un 630 00:28:57,866 --> 00:29:00,033 chumming it up courtside in Pyongyang. 631 00:29:00,133 --> 00:29:01,500 They watched the Harlem Globetrotters 632 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,366 play basketball as part of a new show being filmed. 633 00:29:05,466 --> 00:29:06,733 - I said, yeah, he's my friend, 634 00:29:06,833 --> 00:29:09,133 because he gave me the opportunity 635 00:29:09,233 --> 00:29:11,833 to at least come in the country of North Korea 636 00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:14,366 to bring a basketball team over there to show the world, 637 00:29:14,466 --> 00:29:17,266 to just show the world that we can actually get along-- 638 00:29:17,366 --> 00:29:19,500 Americans and North Korea. 639 00:29:23,066 --> 00:29:25,066 - I knew Kristen was not gonna be quiet 640 00:29:25,166 --> 00:29:27,533 and just let it go. 641 00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:31,066 - Peggy claimed to be a Harvard-educated attorney. 642 00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:33,700 I called the Florida Bar Association, 643 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,033 the Georgia Bar Association, the Louisiana Bar, 644 00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:39,600 anybody that I could think of any place that she had lived. 645 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,200 I just started going down a checklist, 646 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,666 and no one knew her. 647 00:29:44,733 --> 00:29:48,400 - She had lied about her Harvard Law School, 648 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:53,600 and we discovered that Peggy had so many different aliases. 649 00:29:55,066 --> 00:29:59,566 - Peggy Bérard, Peggy King, Peggy Williams, Peggy Fulford. 650 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:03,033 She appeared to be a pathological liar. 651 00:30:03,133 --> 00:30:05,600 - I literally went back to day one, 652 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,733 replaying our whole relationship 653 00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:10,333 over and over again, of how many times 654 00:30:10,433 --> 00:30:13,000 she had a different alias or a different husband 655 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:14,433 or anything like that. 656 00:30:14,533 --> 00:30:16,100 Like, is Peggy really her name? 657 00:30:17,866 --> 00:30:20,633 - We start looking at every place that all of our money 658 00:30:20,733 --> 00:30:21,900 and all of our investments are. 659 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,066 We have accounts there but don't really have 660 00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:27,166 the money in them anymore. 661 00:30:27,266 --> 00:30:28,666 - Not even a dime. 662 00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:30,766 She left him with nothing. 663 00:30:30,866 --> 00:30:34,466 - There's really no words to describe waking up to find out 664 00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:37,100 that you don't have $1 in your checking account, 665 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,966 much less the millions of dollars 666 00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:42,566 Ricky had earned in the past few years. 667 00:30:42,666 --> 00:30:44,900 - We put our trust in her, and this is what you did. 668 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,933 Why would you do this to somebody you love? 669 00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:50,266 She's one of Ricky's kid's god-moms. 670 00:30:50,333 --> 00:30:51,966 You just took everything-- 671 00:30:52,066 --> 00:30:55,166 like, literally everything, so yeah. 672 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,833 - There's no way to find out what's going on 673 00:31:02,933 --> 00:31:05,033 without hiring attorneys. 674 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:09,933 - When Ricky filed his civil suit 675 00:31:10,033 --> 00:31:11,900 in federal court in Houston, 676 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,566 it was the beginning of the end for Peggy. 677 00:31:14,666 --> 00:31:16,200 Dennis got back from North Korea, 678 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:20,700 and he found his reputation in tatters. 679 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,900 - I'm not the president. 680 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,100 I'm not an ambassador. 681 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,333 I'm Dennis Rodman, just an individual, 682 00:31:25,433 --> 00:31:28,300 just showing the world the fact that we can actually get along 683 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,800 and be happy for one day. 684 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,966 I love to see that-- I love to see--uh. 685 00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:34,666 - Hey, hey, yeah, come on, now. 686 00:31:34,766 --> 00:31:37,433 - When you call this ruler your friend, Dennis, 687 00:31:37,533 --> 00:31:39,533 you can't pretend like you don't get 688 00:31:39,633 --> 00:31:40,900 why people are upset. 689 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,833 - I don't give a rat's ass what the hell you think. 690 00:31:42,933 --> 00:31:44,766 - It was bananas. 691 00:31:44,866 --> 00:31:47,000 People were sending death threats 692 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,033 with their personal email accounts. 693 00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:52,400 - I wish I could rewind time and say, 694 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,766 "Hell, no, we won't go." 695 00:31:54,866 --> 00:31:55,900 We thought we were heroes. 696 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,966 We come home, we're zeroes. 697 00:31:59,066 --> 00:32:02,700 - Going there caused a lot of problems 698 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,366 for Dennis's business. 699 00:32:04,466 --> 00:32:08,133 - When you have a dinner date with Public Enemy Number One, 700 00:32:08,233 --> 00:32:11,700 it's kind of hard to go get some corporate America money. 701 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,466 - Probably lost probably $1 million in deals. 702 00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:18,266 And I think this crippled Peggy's efforts to forecast 703 00:32:18,366 --> 00:32:20,166 and how much money she's gonna have coming in. 704 00:32:20,266 --> 00:32:23,000 She couldn't continue to do what she was doing, 705 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,700 robbing Peter to pay Paul over here, 706 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,366 taking money from here and going there. 707 00:32:26,466 --> 00:32:28,100 Dennis had a $250,000 deal 708 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,133 to go to Qatar to play basketball. 709 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,633 That was canceled. 710 00:32:31,733 --> 00:32:33,233 And we called Peggy like, "Hey, listen, 711 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,066 you gotta send that deposit back." 712 00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:36,366 And she's like, "Oh, you know, 713 00:32:36,466 --> 00:32:38,233 "I invested it in these accounts, 714 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:39,466 and it's--now it's tied up." 715 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:43,033 We're like, "We told you not to touch that money. 716 00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:45,033 Like, why would you do that?" 717 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,766 - Does it matter? 718 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,733 Does it matter what was going on with her? 719 00:32:52,833 --> 00:32:54,966 We was living life. 720 00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:58,000 got out of control. 721 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,000 You know what the "Titanic" did? 722 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,000 Sank. 723 00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,700 It was a beautiful ship. 724 00:33:03,766 --> 00:33:05,466 It was called King Management Group. 725 00:33:08,766 --> 00:33:10,000 - I got a phone call: 726 00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:14,200 "This is the FBI," and my heart dropped. 727 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,766 I'm like, the FBI? Like, what? 728 00:33:16,866 --> 00:33:18,433 And he's like, "Yes, we're calling you 729 00:33:18,533 --> 00:33:20,166 about the Peggy situation." 730 00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:22,233 And I said, "Finally." 731 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,633 - So the FBI called, and they wanted to have a meeting. 732 00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:30,066 And he brought two bankers' boxes full of documents. 733 00:33:30,166 --> 00:33:33,633 And he explained that Peggy had opened 85 bank accounts. 734 00:33:33,733 --> 00:33:34,700 You didn't mishear me. 735 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,366 She had 85 bank accounts that she set up. 736 00:33:37,433 --> 00:33:41,100 We'd put in money in Dennis's account and send him 85 grand. 737 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,500 By 3:00, she would sweep the entire 85,000 out. 738 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,733 Dennis didn't have access to any of these accounts. 739 00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:52,166 And what was crazy is that she would then falsify documents 740 00:33:52,266 --> 00:33:54,466 as to why there was no money. 741 00:33:54,566 --> 00:33:58,166 It just really showed how brazen of a crime this was. 742 00:33:58,266 --> 00:34:01,166 I was, like, completely done-- like, this is crazy. 743 00:34:01,266 --> 00:34:02,833 I was like, "Dennis, you need to fire her, man. 744 00:34:02,933 --> 00:34:03,933 This is insane." 745 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,132 - If a thief has access to an athlete's bank accounts, 746 00:34:10,233 --> 00:34:12,000 they can just completely drain the account, 747 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,565 so it could be millions. 748 00:34:13,666 --> 00:34:16,500 In this case, it was millions. 749 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,166 - We realized that we're paying 750 00:34:18,266 --> 00:34:20,433 for Peggy's lavish lifestyle-- 751 00:34:20,533 --> 00:34:23,366 the Bentley, the Rolls-Royce, the Range Rovers, 752 00:34:23,466 --> 00:34:25,166 all of her homes. 753 00:34:25,266 --> 00:34:29,366 I was actually with her when she spent $800 754 00:34:29,466 --> 00:34:31,600 on her hair extensions. 755 00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:34,033 I'm standing beside her as she's paying for it 756 00:34:34,132 --> 00:34:36,933 with a credit card that is actually 757 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:39,233 linked to our accounts. 758 00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:43,333 Looking back, I realized that the wedding was just 759 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,033 another way to take our money. 760 00:34:46,132 --> 00:34:48,666 The flowers, the food, the beverage-- 761 00:34:48,766 --> 00:34:53,033 she tells us that it cost twice what it actually did. 762 00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:55,666 - There's no way you could deny what was happening. 763 00:34:55,766 --> 00:34:59,933 Dennis was really, I think, at a point of acceptance. 764 00:35:00,033 --> 00:35:01,600 I think he finally was like, "This is not something 765 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,133 that can be explained." 766 00:35:03,233 --> 00:35:06,566 And so in 2015, Dennis finally fires Peggy. 767 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:09,300 - Whew. 768 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,400 Okay. 769 00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:15,933 My last working gig with Dennis Rodman was, 770 00:35:16,033 --> 00:35:17,966 we went to Moscow, 771 00:35:18,066 --> 00:35:21,300 and we did, like, a gala for President Putin. 772 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,933 We got into a huge fight. 773 00:35:24,033 --> 00:35:27,433 The fight was concerning me and my mother-- 774 00:35:27,533 --> 00:35:29,100 or me and Peggy-- 775 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,166 were stealing all of his money. 776 00:35:31,266 --> 00:35:35,733 And he... 777 00:35:35,833 --> 00:35:37,866 called my mother a whore. 778 00:35:37,966 --> 00:35:39,766 So I punched him-- 779 00:35:39,866 --> 00:35:41,500 I uppercutted him. 780 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,666 So that was a wrap. 781 00:35:43,766 --> 00:35:44,966 I ain't seen him since. 782 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,400 - When the Feds showed up at my door, 783 00:35:50,466 --> 00:35:52,366 that's when it kinda all came to a head. 784 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,166 - The FBI blew the lid off this whole thing, 785 00:35:57,266 --> 00:35:59,633 about her capabilities, and if she was 786 00:35:59,733 --> 00:36:01,766 who she really said she was. 787 00:36:01,866 --> 00:36:03,933 Peggy is actually a very smart person. 788 00:36:04,033 --> 00:36:05,633 She's very smart. 789 00:36:05,733 --> 00:36:08,200 She's very industrious. 790 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:10,766 She was like a black widow of banking. 791 00:36:10,866 --> 00:36:14,766 It takes a lot of time to keep track of all these wires 792 00:36:14,866 --> 00:36:17,000 and money coming in and out 793 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,133 and setting up powers of attorney. 794 00:36:19,233 --> 00:36:20,666 - She was charismatic, 795 00:36:20,766 --> 00:36:22,566 she was good at earning people's trust, 796 00:36:22,666 --> 00:36:24,500 so I could see why people would have thought 797 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,733 that she was legitimate. 798 00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:29,766 - Peggy would do what most con artists do. 799 00:36:29,866 --> 00:36:31,966 She'd morph into whatever the person needed. 800 00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:33,133 She was that good-- 801 00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,900 getting her hooks into people, 802 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,333 being that person that you needed her to be, 803 00:36:38,433 --> 00:36:41,033 and exploiting that weakness, 804 00:36:41,133 --> 00:36:42,966 and that's what made her so effective. 805 00:36:43,066 --> 00:36:45,400 - Dennis and myself, I'm sure when people meet us, 806 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:47,666 they see someone and they treat us a certain way. 807 00:36:47,766 --> 00:36:49,700 With Peggy, it was different. 808 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,400 She made it easy, and I think that's how 809 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,333 she developed my trust. 810 00:36:54,766 --> 00:36:56,566 - She infiltrated my life. 811 00:36:56,666 --> 00:36:58,266 She became my best friend. 812 00:36:58,333 --> 00:37:03,266 In her exact words, I was the sister that she never had. 813 00:37:03,366 --> 00:37:05,233 - She could have had a very successful business, 814 00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:07,433 but instead, she decided to just steal, 815 00:37:07,533 --> 00:37:10,700 and that's what brought the whole house of cards down. 816 00:37:18,033 --> 00:37:20,533 - Hmm, how about the day it started? 817 00:37:20,633 --> 00:37:24,400 It all went wrong the day it started, you know? 818 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,666 It's like putting a LEGO piece together 819 00:37:26,766 --> 00:37:28,466 that's just not straight all the way up. 820 00:37:28,566 --> 00:37:31,166 It's just kind of crooked, but you keep working with it, 821 00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:32,566 and you try to bend it. 822 00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:47,600 - I think the mania started spiraling out of control. 823 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,800 The mania that I have is the high mania. 824 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,833 It's like an addiction, you know, 825 00:37:51,933 --> 00:37:53,733 if you wanna equate it to drug addiction. 826 00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:57,466 You get these high periods where everything is utopia. 827 00:37:57,566 --> 00:38:00,600 And you may go on a shopping spree. 828 00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,466 You may go on a vacation or whatever-- 829 00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:06,000 I mean, no different than a person who's an alcoholic 830 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,333 and stopped drinking. 831 00:38:07,433 --> 00:38:11,133 Mania makes you feel like you're invincible. 832 00:38:11,233 --> 00:38:12,866 - Peggy can call it whatever she wants. 833 00:38:12,966 --> 00:38:14,266 She stole money from these players, 834 00:38:14,366 --> 00:38:16,366 and she used it for herself. 835 00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:23,866 - Of course. Nothing I did was intentional. 836 00:38:23,966 --> 00:38:27,733 Nothing I did was malicious or anything like that. 837 00:38:27,833 --> 00:38:29,266 - She's just not gonna take responsibility 838 00:38:29,366 --> 00:38:30,400 for what she did. 839 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:31,966 Other people with mania aren't out there 840 00:38:32,066 --> 00:38:33,900 running, you know, multimillion-dollar 841 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,700 fraudulent criminal enterprises. 842 00:38:50,833 --> 00:38:52,766 - This was not a criminal case. 843 00:38:52,866 --> 00:38:54,900 This was a civil issue. 844 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,166 That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 845 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,533 - I really struggle to believe that Peggy was the only person 846 00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:05,633 involved in this fraud. 847 00:39:05,733 --> 00:39:08,600 - So how about going from sugar to 848 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,366 real fast without a refinery? 849 00:39:11,466 --> 00:39:13,833 I went from sugar to . 850 00:39:13,933 --> 00:39:16,333 Do you know I had to move to California? 851 00:39:16,433 --> 00:39:18,166 Do you know people were Googling me 852 00:39:18,266 --> 00:39:21,966 and calling me a criminal and calling me a con artist? 853 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,533 Arrest me for what? 854 00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:33,266 All I am is just some dude who runs around the world 855 00:39:33,366 --> 00:39:37,200 with another dude and tries to collect some damn money. 856 00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,933 I don't touch the financials. 857 00:39:40,033 --> 00:39:42,100 That wasn't my bag. 858 00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:45,466 Period. 859 00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:47,033 I spoke to the FBI 860 00:39:47,133 --> 00:39:48,566 in the New Orleans field office 861 00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:50,366 for four hours. 862 00:39:50,466 --> 00:39:52,300 We went through financial record 863 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,566 after financial-- oh, what is this for? 864 00:39:54,666 --> 00:39:56,066 What is that for? 865 00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:57,866 How come you couldn't indict me? 866 00:39:57,966 --> 00:39:59,733 Oh, because guess what? 867 00:39:59,833 --> 00:40:01,333 I never made a what? 868 00:40:01,433 --> 00:40:04,433 A withdrawal from a bank. 869 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,666 All deposits. 870 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000 He told me I'm either the smartest mother 871 00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:19,766 he ever seen or the dumbest. 872 00:40:26,733 --> 00:40:28,666 - Once you turn a blind eye to something, 873 00:40:28,766 --> 00:40:31,366 it attracts predators. 874 00:40:31,466 --> 00:40:34,633 I chose not to be aware of what was going on with my finances, 875 00:40:34,733 --> 00:40:36,766 and I invited disaster. 876 00:40:36,866 --> 00:40:39,133 Any industry where you're giving a lot of money 877 00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:41,700 to people who don't have an experience with money-- 878 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,900 it's wide open for people to come 879 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,033 and take advantage of that. 880 00:40:50,333 --> 00:40:52,533 - When you entrust your life with somebody, 881 00:40:52,633 --> 00:40:55,033 you would think that person had your best interests at heart, 882 00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:56,633 and a lot of times, they don't. 883 00:40:56,733 --> 00:41:00,166 As players, we need to pay more attention 884 00:41:00,266 --> 00:41:02,433 of our finances. 885 00:41:02,533 --> 00:41:05,533 - Dennis Rodman lost about $2 million. 886 00:41:05,633 --> 00:41:09,166 For the average person, that's about a lifetime of earnings. 887 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:12,766 - No money in the world can take me to hate you. 888 00:41:12,866 --> 00:41:13,933 That's all I wanted to hear you say. 889 00:41:14,033 --> 00:41:16,566 "I'm sorry," and actually, you mean it. 890 00:41:16,666 --> 00:41:19,433 - When I heard Dennis say that in that interview, 891 00:41:19,533 --> 00:41:23,133 it kind of blew my mind because he was so forgiving, 892 00:41:23,233 --> 00:41:25,000 considering the deception. 893 00:41:28,966 --> 00:41:30,900 It's not even just about the money. 894 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,766 It's about the psychological damage 895 00:41:32,866 --> 00:41:34,800 that something like this can do to someone 896 00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,100 who trusts you implicitly. 897 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,433 - Whatever I do in this life, in this business, I prevail. 898 00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:44,466 - But Dennis is very resilient. 899 00:41:44,566 --> 00:41:46,233 I don't think he'd ever fall victim to anything 900 00:41:46,333 --> 00:41:47,666 like this again. 901 00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:49,166 He is one of a kind. 902 00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:51,166 There'll never be another one like him. 903 00:41:51,266 --> 00:41:52,666 - It's time for me to win a little bit. 904 00:41:52,766 --> 00:41:54,433 You know, I lost, lost, lost, lost so much goddamn money, 905 00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:56,000 so much friendship, love. 906 00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:59,000 Now, all of a sudden now, it's coming back to me now. 69408

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