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Three o'clock in the morning, I got the call.
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There had been a triple shooting that night.
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Three individuals shot
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in the city of Phoenix.
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I went to, uh, James Hodge first. He said, "Some son of a bitch shot me."
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He had a large spray of shotgun pellet injuries
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to his entire back area.
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The next person I go see is Miguel Rodriguez.
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And Miguel said he had been walking on a sidewalk
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when a vehicle drove by him and fired.
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Daryl Davies took a large shotgun blast on his left side
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from a vehicle.
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Daryl was upset, and he said, "What kind of an asshole
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shoots somebody who's out walking around, minding their own business?"
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And I'm looking at him, I'm like, "Yeah."
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"What kind of an asshole does do... something like that?"
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There was no evidence.
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No witnesses.
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And really no leads to go on.
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What a piece of crap crime spree to try to investigate.
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- I'm Clark Schwartzkopf.
- Sorry, just a minute.
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Okay.
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One more time.
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Okay. And you're having fun.
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I'm Clark Schwartzkopf.
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In 2006, I was a detective assigned to the Violent Crimes Bureau
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with the Phoenix Police Department.
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I've been a street cop my entire career. I never wanted to be in management.
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To me, the... the fight was out on the streets,
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and I liked being there.
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Me against them.
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But working this case would be the largest challenge
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I'd ever faced in my entire life.
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Gonna be a bright, sunshiny day out on the streets of Phoenix.
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We're expecting a high of about 108 degrees.
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The sun was just coming up, and I get a phone call.
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There's been two more random drive-by shotgun shootings.
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I rush to the scene, which is at a liquor store.
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So, we come here and we find out
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that Federic Cena has been shot in the back.
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We found a blood trail starting from here all the way across here,
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to right where that entrance is, and then he walked across the street.
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We followed it to that big white building, which is the VA Hospital.
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In this case, and in these cases,
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there just was not enough information to do anything with.
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But the patrol supervisor that was in charge of the shooting
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told me that they had a shooting last month
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of a young male.
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He had taken a shotgun blast to the lower back area
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and had survived.
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Our research person told me that,
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"Oh, by the way,
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Scottsdale had a murder that same night
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of a female who was shot, uh, with a shotgun."
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If these two can occur,
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and we don't know anything about them,
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how many other ones are out there?
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One of the first ones that I found was the murder of a young man,
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shot walking along the side of the road
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attempting to try to hitchhike to Los Angeles.
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And then there's this massive crime spree
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that occurs almost six months earlier.
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We had four individuals shot,
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two dead.
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The same exact MO.
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Nighttime shootings,
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random drive-bys.
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We have a problem here.
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There's a very distinct possibility
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that we have somebody, or a group of some people out there,
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randomly gunning down pedestrians
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on major thoroughfares in the city of Phoenix.
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And I had the job
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of walking this up the chain of command and saying,
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"This is what's happening, and we need to do something immediately."
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- Here we go.
- Okay.
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Okay. Yeah, no problem.
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My name is Kevin Robinson, and in 2006,
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I was the assistant police chief
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over the investigations division of the Phoenix Police Department.
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Det. Clark Schwartzkopf is someone I had known
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for a very long time in uniform, then as a detective.
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He's a... a very likable person,
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very smart.
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He's intense.
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And Clark had come to the conclusion
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that there was a serial shooter in Phoenix.
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Four people,
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all killed by the same individual or individuals for unknown reasons,
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which really, you know, makes you stand up and take notice.
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I had wanted to be a police officer ever since I was a little kid.
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I saw police officers,
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and I saw myself as being someone who could keep people safe.
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So, I felt extremely responsible for not just myself and other officers,
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but everyone who lived in the Valley.
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July 8th, I get woken about 1:00 a.m. in the morning.
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There have been two more random shotgun shootings.
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A white female by the name of Ashley Armenta
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had been shot in the head with a shotgun.
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So, the first thing I thought was, "She's not gonna make it."
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When I arrived at the hospital, they showed me X-rays
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of where she'd been hit.
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Much to my surprise,
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she was sitting up, in a gown...
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...completely coherent.
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She goes, "My husband and I got into a little argument...
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...and I stupidly left the car and started walking."
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And out of the clear blue,
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she... she said that she got this funny feeling that
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somebody was watching her.
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It made the... the hair on the back of her neck stand up.
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She feels what she described
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as all these bees stinging her in the back of the head.
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And she goes, "Oh, my God. I've been shot."
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And she watches as this vehicle just slowly takes off.
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That was what scared me,
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was how good they were.
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How they were able to sneak up on people.
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How were... they were able, calmly, to raise a gun.
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It's frightening to think
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that someone could do this time, and time, and time again.
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Code three. Room 836.
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I say, "Can you describe the car?" She goes, "Oh, yeah."
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"Without a doubt."
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It was a 2000 Toyota Camry,
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light blue in color.
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I now have a make and model
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to the shooter's vehicle, which is huge.
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Thirteen random shootings with no apparent pattern.
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It's a cause for concern citywide.
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As I drove to work,
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I remember getting a call from my sister-in-law,
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and you can tell that she was distraught.
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She wanted to know, "Was it safe?"
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Was it safe for her and for the kids?
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Should they go out? Should they stay in?
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Should she keep the kids home? Should they not go to the movies?
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What I wanted to say was, "Of course, you're gonna be fine."
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But the reality is I couldn't say that.
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Anybody could be the victim.
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Anybody at all.
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I felt I have to do better.
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We are going to have to step up our efforts,
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and that really meant ramping up and activating a task force.
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And if it saves one person's life,
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then it's worth it.
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I figured, "Okay, it's Saturday."
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It was my son's birthday party that day.
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I was really looking forward
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to spending some quality time with him and his friends.
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And, uh, the phone call came.
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It's my supervisor,
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and he says,
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"We are gonna put a task force together,
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and you'll be in charge of it."
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I remember my son standing there,
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and I told him, I said,
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"I'm gonna do everything I can to get back for your birthday party."
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And he kind of looked at me and kind of just shook his head,
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slumped his shoulders and walked away.
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He knew that there was no way in hell his old man was coming back that day.
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I felt terrible.
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But I'm gonna take a stand,
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and I'm gonna do what I can to... to stop this... this killing.
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I get up in front of the investigators
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and I begin to explain to them why they're there.
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We have a series of shootings that are random in nature.
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We have a definitive description of our vehicle,
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2000 Camry, light blue in color.
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You'll be out there every night
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between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m.
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That is when they hit the most.
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We're gonna cast a wide net and hope that we catch something in it.
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After the briefing, I wanted to get on the street.
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I wanted to see what our shooter saw.
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And what I saw was, frankly, frightening.
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Pedestrians everywhere.
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Dark spots where you can easily lurk and hide.
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Anyone that was by themselves on a major thoroughfare was a target.
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The best way to get away with this type of shooting
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is to have someone else with you
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who can watch and look for witnesses and/or people around.
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So, there are at least two perpetrators in these drive-by shootings.
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There's no sexual motivation here. Robbery and money is not a motive.
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So, it really falls down to thrill killing.
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Flat out pure evil.
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Over a week later,
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I received a call from one of our detectives.
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And he had just received a phone call
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with a person by the name of Ron Horton.
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He said he's named a gentleman by the name of Sammy Dieteman
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as one of your possible shooters.
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And for the first time...
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...I actually kind of got excited
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that we really had a solid lead.
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We're in front of the former Mexican restaurant
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known as The Taste of Mexico.
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And as I watched Ron pull in the parking lot from over here...
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I introduced myself and I said, "Are you Ron Horton?"
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He says, "I am Ron Horton."
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I said, "Okay, let's go inside, and...
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...we'll, uh... we'll share a meal,
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and you can tell me why it is you believe Samuel Dieteman is one of the shooters."
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Ron said that Sam told him, "I think I shot and killed a woman."
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Sam said, "We call it recreational violence."
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"We do this recreationally."
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For fun, basically. For the thrill of it.
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I said, "Listen, we need to find this guy, because I don't know where he's living."
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And I said, "Do you have his phone number?"
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He said, "No, but I can get one."
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And I said, "I would appreciate it as quickly as possible."
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I was feeling desperate and... and extremely frustrated.
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It's another Saturday afternoon,
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and we're in the office.
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I'd been Clark's partner for almost six years at that point.
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Clark and I were definitely very outspoken.
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Very detail-oriented.
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Uh, leave-no-stone-unturned kind of, uh, personalities,
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and therefore, uh, we were a good match for each other.
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Clark was very high-strung.
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He wore his feelings on his shoulders at all times.
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He'd come over and kick my garbage can
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and say, "This fucking thing!" And this and that.
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Myself and others were concerned about his, uh... his health,
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and he recognized it as well.
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It was a 24-hour,
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seven-day-a-week nightmare that I could never escape.
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I really honestly felt a personal responsibility
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to find these people and... and to stop this madness.
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Two nights later, I received a phone call.
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A young white female had been shot.
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When I walked up,
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all her clothing was right in this area right here.
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She had her slippers and the stuff she was wearing.
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One of the Mesa Police lieutenants came over to me and told me
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that the white female had died.
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Her name was Robin Blasnek.
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Twenty-two years old, completely, you know, innocent.
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Gunned down for absolutely no reason.
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It's a sick, sick tragedy.
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I was sick to my stomach.
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This is the first homicide that's occurred under my watch.
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Now the death toll is five in total.
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I remember just feeling horribly depressed.
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Did I miss something? Did...
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Is this my fault?
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And I vowed to myself at that point,
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this was it.
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There was... there was gonna be no more killing.
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Breaking news out of Phoenix.
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No way to predict where the Phoenix shooter will strike next.
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He is definitely stalking this desert town so far...
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The next morning, I got a phone call from Ron Horton.
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He had watched TV
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and heard about the killing of Robin Blasnek,
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and he felt terrible.
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He was blaming himself for what happened.
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He said he was able to get a hold of Sam,
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and they were gonna get together and have a couple beers.
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Wow, this is it.
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It was a breakthrough to be able to find Sam Dieteman.
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So, I arranged an entire surveillance unit
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to watch everything that Sam Dieteman did when he arrived.
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My name is Don Sherrard.
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What about the other side?
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At that time, I was assigned to the Drug Enforcement Bureau
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for the Phoenix Police Department, doing drug investigations,
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and we were all called in to help with the serial shooter investigation
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because of our surveillance experience.
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This is what I'd been doing for many years.
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The old adage that law enforcement is hours and hours of sheer boredom
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interrupted by moments of terrifying horror, you know.
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We were on our way to the Stardust Lounge,
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and we were looking for a man named Sam Dieteman.
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For our surveillance that night, I had eight detectives assigned to me.
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I had tall, I had short,
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I had skinny, I had beards, I had baldheads.
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They would fit in anywhere.
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One of my detectives announced over the radio
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that he saw a light blue Camry
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pull up to the front of the bar.
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I'm parked right here,
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and I'm like, "Holy hell."
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This is the exact
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model, make of vehicle and color
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that Ashley Armenta had seen when she got shot.
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One of my detectives reported
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that a guy that he recognized as Sam Dieteman got out
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and walked into the Stardust Lounge.
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The light blue car pulled away from the curb.
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And at that point, I broke my team in two
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and left some of them there to watch Dieteman,
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and we followed this suspect car
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over to a large shopping mall called Metro Center.
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And he parked his car,
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and a couple of detectives followed the driver in.
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A specialty unit that attaches tracking devices to vehicles got there.
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Crawled under the car.
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Our target went to two stores.
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And then came out of the mall.
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I'm sitting on the edge of my seat.
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And the guy attached the tracking device
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and was able to get out from underneath the car.
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The suspect got into the car
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and he made his way back to the Stardust Lounge.
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They radioed the license plate of that vehicle.
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The registered owner was Dale S. Hausner.
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So, I decided to head back to main police headquarters
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where I started to go through information on Dale Hausner.
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No real violent history.
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Nothing to flag him as a... as a potential violent perpetrator.
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We followed this suspect car out to the casino,
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where a couple of our detectives see him interact with Dieteman.
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Then they open the trunk.
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One of my detectives was close enough to see
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that they had a duffel bag.
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As I'm hearing this, I... I got really nervous.
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And I'm asking, "What size? What kind of duffel bag is it?"
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I said, "Big enough to carry a gun?"
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And they're like, "Well, it's dark,
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it's hard to see, but we think it probably could contain a weapon."
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It was like a ton of bricks hit me,
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and I started driving like a madman down to the Southeast Valley.
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They started driving on the main thoroughfares
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just willy-nilly.
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Sometimes, they'll get off the main arteries
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and drive into a neighborhood and just go around the block.
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Somebody on a bicycle, they drive slowly by them.
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It was like they were looking for prey.
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But...
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we don't have enough evidence to pull them over
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and say, "Hey, what are you guys doing?"
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So, we tried to keep one of our cars somewhere close enough
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that they didn't take the opportunity to try and... and shoot someone.
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I was driving so fast to try to get down there.
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Screaming on the communication, "Don't leave them alone."
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"I want a unit on the back of them at all times...
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...without blowing the surveillance."
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So that they don't feel that they could shoot
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without somebody at least seeing them.
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The radio and the phones...
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...were alive.
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"Pull out ahead of him now."
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"You'll be ahead of him, I'll turn off,
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and then you'll have a car in sight
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that maybe he won't take a chance at doing anything."
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They're going slow by somebody. They're slowing down.
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That's when your blood pressure jumps, that's when the adrenaline spike hits.
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Are we going to
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witness a murder?
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Are we gonna be a day late and a dollar short
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when... when this goes down?
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In my mind, I kept envisioning another Robin Blasnek
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simply walking down the street.
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And... And I kept thinking to myself, "How do I explain this
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if these guys actually get a shot off and... and kill somebody?"
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After about three hours of this terrifying hell,
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they finally drove into an apartment complex
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on McKellips Road.
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We didn't see them again for the rest of the night.
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I... I was almost, um, you know, almost in tears,
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and all I could do was just sit back, and take a deep breath,
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and... and... and blow it out and go, "Oh, thank God."
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You know, we're going to make a case on these individuals,
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and we're gonna do it the right way
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before they do end up shooting somebody else.
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The next afternoon,
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we're watching the apartment,
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and suddenly Dieteman appears between the buildings,
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and he's got a trash bag.
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And he heads over to the community dumpster
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and throws the trash bag in and then returns back into the apartment.
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One of my detectives, God bless his soul,
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he climbed into that nasty, old dumpster
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and withdrew that trash bag.
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And we'd sent him to the main police headquarters
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in Central Phoenix.
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We open it, and I start to go through it,
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and the first thing I find
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is a scrap of paper that's been torn in two.
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And on it is Robin Blasnek's name,
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and her age, and the day of her murder.
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Next thing we found was an empty Dr. Pepper can.
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As I was moving it,
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actually, to photograph it,
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it was apparent that there was some object inside of it.
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And as Clark and I examined it further,
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we were able to remove a...
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...shotgun cup.
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And then I unfold this
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piece of paper that I recognized to be a map of Phoenix.
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And there are blue dots and red dots.
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And I go, "Oh, my God."
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"There's marks on here showing locations
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where some of these shootings have occurred."
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I'd say we were elated.
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However, as any
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long-term homicide investigator will tell you,
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there are a lot of creeps out there that follow homicide investigations.
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They write down details,
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they make maps, they make drawings or photos.
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What we had at this point would be insignificant in court.
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I understood the difference between arrest and conviction,
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and I knew that the convictions were a long ways away.
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I get a phone call from my supervisor.
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"We are not going to make any arrests
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tonight."
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"Go home, get some sleep."
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"We will meet in the morning and take it from there."
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I was relieved.
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I was looking forward to getting a little shut-eye.
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I'd only been asleep for five minutes.
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It's my supervisor...
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...and he said it was a chain of command decision
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to arrest Dieteman and Hausner.
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I'm like, "What?"
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"Why would you risk this? Why would you do this?"
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What was paramount in everyone's mind was public safety.
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We recognized we have enough to make an arrest.
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The question as to whether or not we'll have enough to completely convict,
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obviously, is further down the road.
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But we were gonna make sure that no one else was gonna be injured
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by these individuals.
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Hey!
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Got him!
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I knew that not everybody is gonna be happy with that decision.
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I was furious.
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I was livid.
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We don't have enough evidence to try to get a prosecution.
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I really honestly felt betrayed,
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and I was not happy.
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What on earth do I do now?
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I drive back to the station.
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I'm watching both Sam and Dale on two different monitors.
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I realized that I was gonna have to get
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one of them or both of them to incriminate themselves.
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Sam, there was no panic in him.
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He just laid his head down on the table and fell right asleep.
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Dale, he's looking around the room.
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He's calm, but he's fidgety.
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And I think to myself, "You know, he'll be the one I think that will break."
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So, I picked Dale,
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uh, as the first one to interview.
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- Morning.
- Morning. How are you?
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- Good, how are you?
- Pretty good.
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Dale, I'm Detective Schwartzkopf. I'm with the Phoenix Police Department.
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Um...
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I asked you to be brought down today.
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I have some questions I have to ask you about some stuff, okay?
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- No problem.
- Um, before we do that...
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My strategy in an interview is to get them to talk
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and to feel comfortable with me as a... as an investigator.
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So, I start to ask personal questions.
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- Do you own a vehicle?
- Yes, I do.
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It's a 1998 Toyota Camry.
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And, um, it's blue.
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He was very comfortable telling me everything
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that he knew about his personal life and his personal property,
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including his guns.
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Are you a hunter?
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Yes. I'm not technically a hunter, I like to go out shooting in the desert.
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Gotcha.
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So, you're... You consider yourself a weapons person?
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- I love them. Yes, I do.
- Okay.
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Have you been following at all what's going on in the city of Phoenix?
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A little. I keep track of the serial killer.
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He's going out shooting people.
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It hit me, you know, like a brick in the face.
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What do you know about that particular case?
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Um, 35 people shot, uh...
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He goes into this big, long narrative
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about everything he knew and how he was following it.
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And then I fibbed and I said,
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"Your roommate has made some incriminating statements
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about his behavior."
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Uh, it's very important that you continue to be honest with me about Sammy.
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And yeah, I know you guys are friends.
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No, we're buds, but, man, if he killed 85 people, man...
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- He didn't kill 85.
- I'm just saying.
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If he killed however many people he killed or shot,
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that's on him, that's not on me, so I'm... I'm not protecting anybody, so...
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I'll be very honest with you about this.
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Um, I'm... I... I don't think you've been completely honest with me
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about Mr. Dieteman,
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and I don't think you've been honest about what you've been doing.
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- Okay.
- Okay.
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When they find whoever did the shooting, it's not gonna be me.
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I can guarantee that without a doubt.
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I'll look you in the eye, I'll polygraph.
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I have never shot anybody in my life.
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I was in the monitoring room, and it was very obvious
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that this individual
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sitting across from Clark was, uh, pure evil.
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He had zero remorse.
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He was very flippant, uh, very arrogant
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in his remarks to Clark,
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and it was very clear that there was a chess game going on,
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and he was gonna have Clark prove to him
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that we had any information on him whatsoever
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before he was gonna divulge anything.
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I dropped a bomb on him.
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I'm just very curious.
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Okay.
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Let me show you this. Have you ever seen this before?
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I pulled out the map.
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Does that look familiar at all?
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- Yeah?
- No.
508
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,706
I could see panic starting to set in.
509
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:22,125
He was closing up.
510
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:26,546
And he wasn't gonna give me any more information.
511
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,050
So, it was time to push on towards Sam.
512
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Sammy.
513
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,224
- Hey.
- How you doing?
514
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:40,934
Half asleep.
515
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:45,398
I admit I'd been worn down by Dale's interview
516
00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:47,817
and the lack of sleep, and I was flat-out tired,
517
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,028
and so I just kind of asked Sam...
518
00:33:50,111 --> 00:33:52,321
Do you have any idea why you're here?
519
00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:57,452
Uh, yeah, I believe it'd be the serial shooter case.
520
00:33:59,078 --> 00:34:01,497
I was not ready for that.
521
00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:04,183
Why would you think that?
522
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:07,627
Um...
523
00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:15,428
'Cause I think I know who's been doing it. I have been staying with the guy.
524
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,639
So, I just let him talk.
525
00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:22,810
I lean back, the window is going down, just kinda watching him, watching that,
526
00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:24,854
and just kind of wondering, "What the hell?"
527
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,524
So, there's just kind of a loud pop,
528
00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:29,817
and I look back,
529
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:32,528
and there's a guy screaming on the side of the road.
530
00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:36,240
And what does Dale do after he fires?
531
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:39,619
Uh, he kind of chuckles a little bit,
532
00:34:39,702 --> 00:34:42,705
and... and has a gun down beside his leg there.
533
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:45,208
Just looked at me for a second and kept driving.
534
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,711
Then, he started to admit
535
00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:51,839
his responsibility in some of the shootings.
536
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:53,925
What'd you shoot?
537
00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:59,972
There was like a hooker or something walking there.
538
00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:02,809
Okay. And you think it was a female you shot?
539
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:03,892
Yeah.
540
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:08,147
I'm obviously ecstatic.
541
00:35:08,231 --> 00:35:09,857
I know that we've got them.
542
00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:16,739
That was your true television-slash-movie high-five moment.
543
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:20,785
All of us were high-fiving, and we were all yelling and screaming,
544
00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,913
whooping it up, uh, like a... a... a bunch of assholes
545
00:35:23,996 --> 00:35:26,332
that were overtired and... and hungry.
546
00:35:26,415 --> 00:35:27,792
It was a fantastic feeling.
547
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:52,728
The best thing that I can do for my community
548
00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:55,194
is to take evildoers off the street,
549
00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:57,738
and this case is the perfect example of that.
550
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:03,202
To arrest and convict these type of people
551
00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:06,622
is really the... the... the epitome of... of... of what we do,
552
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:08,457
and I'm glad
553
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:11,002
that I was given the opportunity to do that job.
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