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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,248 --> 00:00:34,773 - I used to carry around a little card in my wallet. 2 00:00:34,816 --> 00:00:37,297 Printed on it was a passage written by 3 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:40,474 Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright William Saroyan. 4 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:45,479 His words have served me as a a kind of 5 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:47,090 aspirational instruction 6 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:50,005 on how I might best live my life. 7 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:57,056 In its few and poignant paragraphs 8 00:00:57,100 --> 00:01:00,146 I held it as a Bible of sorts. 9 00:01:00,190 --> 00:01:02,757 Its thoughts had resonated deeply with me 10 00:01:02,801 --> 00:01:05,456 from a young age and on a visceral level 11 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:09,199 and for decades. 12 00:01:09,242 --> 00:01:11,201 But it had not become so crystal clear 13 00:01:11,244 --> 00:01:15,683 in its relevance until this past year and half 14 00:01:15,727 --> 00:01:19,209 as I made seven trips to and from Ukraine 15 00:01:19,252 --> 00:01:21,472 for the making of this film. 16 00:01:27,913 --> 00:01:29,175 - For those of you watching, 17 00:01:29,219 --> 00:01:30,742 Vladimir Putin has just declared 18 00:01:30,785 --> 00:01:34,659 that a special military operation is now underway. 19 00:01:34,701 --> 00:01:36,574 - This speech by Vladimir Putin 20 00:01:36,617 --> 00:01:38,183 basically saying that this war 21 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:41,969 is on the hands of the Ukrainians who resist. 22 00:01:42,014 --> 00:01:43,320 Oh. I tell you what. 23 00:01:43,363 --> 00:01:45,670 I just heard a big bang. 24 00:01:45,713 --> 00:01:48,499 - And the distinct sound of explosions 25 00:01:48,542 --> 00:01:50,326 on the horizon here in Kyiv. 26 00:01:50,370 --> 00:01:51,763 - Go, go, go. 27 00:01:51,806 --> 00:01:53,721 - A democratic country has been invaded 28 00:01:53,765 --> 00:01:55,810 by its nuclear-armed neighbor. 29 00:01:55,854 --> 00:01:58,813 - At least three explosions rocked the capital of Kyiv. 30 00:01:58,857 --> 00:02:01,207 - We should go a little bit faster. 31 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:04,123 - Russia is picking off Ukraine's military facilities 32 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:05,864 one after another. 33 00:02:05,907 --> 00:02:07,822 - No, no, guys. 34 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:10,608 - Okay. - What the fuck is going on? 35 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:16,918 - If the Russians did attack, 36 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,704 they'd have a short run to Kharkiv. 37 00:02:19,747 --> 00:02:22,228 We're driving north towards the border 38 00:02:22,271 --> 00:02:24,143 with Russia, which is now about 39 00:02:24,187 --> 00:02:25,971 15 or 20 minutes away. 40 00:02:26,014 --> 00:02:28,016 About half an hour beyond that is the city of... 41 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,890 - I really want to get back over there. 42 00:02:31,933 --> 00:02:32,978 - They pulled back logistical units 43 00:02:33,021 --> 00:02:34,762 that they could move back to bases 44 00:02:34,806 --> 00:02:36,416 that are already close by. 45 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,592 All the, like, the things that would be essential for-- 46 00:02:38,636 --> 00:02:40,768 to take Kyiv they've left in place. 47 00:02:40,812 --> 00:02:42,683 - But then the counterpoint 48 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:45,947 from the Unites States' position is that 49 00:02:45,991 --> 00:02:49,299 they've also moved things in what looks like 50 00:02:49,342 --> 00:02:51,779 a strategic movement towards-- 51 00:02:51,823 --> 00:02:53,520 - You have to spend this money to train the troops 52 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:56,697 on logistics on how you make these moves. 53 00:02:56,741 --> 00:02:58,438 - I had a conversation 54 00:02:58,482 --> 00:03:00,135 with a former State Department official, 55 00:03:00,179 --> 00:03:01,528 and he, like us, 56 00:03:01,572 --> 00:03:04,792 "I don't think it's going to happen" kind of feel. 57 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:07,534 Some of these pieces will be edited out of the film, 58 00:03:07,578 --> 00:03:09,493 because it might be us saying, "It's not going to happen. 59 00:03:09,536 --> 00:03:11,799 - And then they fucking... - No. 60 00:03:11,843 --> 00:03:14,889 In fact, though, it's a valuable time capsule 61 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:17,240 to, you know... - With feeling. 62 00:03:17,283 --> 00:03:19,633 - Yes, we will admit it. 63 00:03:19,677 --> 00:03:21,026 But it's not going to happen. 64 00:03:21,069 --> 00:03:24,334 - Erin's hearing from the Zelensky office. 65 00:03:24,377 --> 00:03:26,379 How do you feel about jumping on the plane Sunday? 66 00:03:26,423 --> 00:03:28,816 - Let's say things get weird 67 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:31,079 and they shut down airlines... - Right. 68 00:03:31,122 --> 00:03:34,822 - Into Kyiv, should we go to Poland? 69 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,911 - There's a natural kind of avenue to get there. 70 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:38,652 We fly in and drive in. - Yeah. 71 00:03:38,696 --> 00:03:40,263 Is there a train? 72 00:03:41,829 --> 00:03:45,223 - I'll check on the train. - Fuck, that was tits. 73 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,226 That was really great. 74 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:49,271 That was one of the great nights in my life 75 00:03:49,315 --> 00:03:51,012 just being able to look out the window 76 00:03:51,056 --> 00:03:54,581 at the distant little lights and villages. 77 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:05,244 - So... 78 00:04:14,035 --> 00:04:16,341 - We're gonna follow your lead, 79 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:17,865 because we're starting from zero. 80 00:04:50,028 --> 00:04:52,900 - Okay. 81 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,250 - This project started with, 82 00:05:39,294 --> 00:05:40,774 "Oh, what a cute human interest. 83 00:05:40,818 --> 00:05:43,211 "This comedic actor, this nice little guy 84 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:44,474 "has become the president of Ukraine. 85 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:46,737 This is going to be funny." 86 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:48,869 I talked to Sean about it just as a friend. 87 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:50,523 I said, "Oh, I'm doing this, you know, 88 00:05:50,567 --> 00:05:52,307 this project on Zelensky." 89 00:05:52,351 --> 00:05:53,526 And Sean said, "Oh, you know, I've been watching 90 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:55,049 "a little bit about this guy. 91 00:05:55,093 --> 00:05:56,660 He seems, like, really interesting." 92 00:05:56,702 --> 00:05:59,750 And I've seen Sean do this with other things 93 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:01,969 and people that he finds interesting. 94 00:06:02,013 --> 00:06:03,623 - Before the quake, actor Sean Penn 95 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,364 had never been to Haiti. 96 00:06:05,408 --> 00:06:07,627 He has been there almost full-time since January. 97 00:06:07,671 --> 00:06:10,151 - I've often been asked, 98 00:06:10,195 --> 00:06:11,457 "What's a Hollywood actor doing 99 00:06:11,501 --> 00:06:13,764 by going to places of disaster..." 100 00:06:13,807 --> 00:06:15,853 - We arrived in Baghdad this morning. 101 00:06:15,896 --> 00:06:17,507 - "Of conflict..." 102 00:06:17,550 --> 00:06:20,684 I cannot conceive why they would not have shared 103 00:06:20,727 --> 00:06:22,686 the evidence of weapons of mass destruction. 104 00:06:22,729 --> 00:06:24,731 - Remember that Sean Penn is an arrogant 105 00:06:24,775 --> 00:06:27,255 and self-involved person. 106 00:06:27,299 --> 00:06:28,996 - You know, even his poop doesn't stink. 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,476 - "Spending time with alleged enemies of America 108 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,738 - Two-time Oscar winner Sean Penn... 109 00:06:31,782 --> 00:06:32,913 - "Or much worse? 110 00:06:32,957 --> 00:06:34,959 - Shaking hands with El Chapo. 111 00:06:35,002 --> 00:06:37,178 Who do you think you are, Walter Cronkite?" 112 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:38,789 - Unbelievable, you see these celebrities... 113 00:06:38,832 --> 00:06:40,268 "Do you have a savior complex?" 114 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:41,879 - Just stick to what you're good at, 115 00:06:41,922 --> 00:06:43,663 but stay out of our politics. 116 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,449 I just don't quite get why CNN keeps having him on. 117 00:06:46,492 --> 00:06:49,190 - What really motivates you, Sean Penn? 118 00:06:50,888 --> 00:06:52,193 The best response that I've ever 119 00:06:52,237 --> 00:06:55,109 been able to muster is that I'm curious. 120 00:06:55,153 --> 00:06:58,199 I've been lucky in life to be able to afford to travel. 121 00:06:58,243 --> 00:07:00,201 And weathered though it is, 122 00:07:00,245 --> 00:07:01,594 my famous face 123 00:07:01,638 --> 00:07:03,727 gets me access to places and people 124 00:07:03,770 --> 00:07:06,251 I may otherwise not have known. 125 00:07:06,294 --> 00:07:09,428 And sometimes I feel I can be helpful. 126 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:12,692 This film is unusual. 127 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:15,565 When Billy Smith and I set out to make this film 128 00:07:15,608 --> 00:07:17,784 there'd been no recent sign of accelerated threat 129 00:07:17,828 --> 00:07:20,047 to Ukraine by Russia. 130 00:07:20,091 --> 00:07:22,180 Most of what I knew about President Zelensky 131 00:07:22,223 --> 00:07:24,574 was that he had too had been an actor 132 00:07:24,617 --> 00:07:27,054 and that as president he had the very unfortunate 133 00:07:27,098 --> 00:07:28,926 international perception 134 00:07:28,969 --> 00:07:31,232 of having an attempt at him being puppeted 135 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:33,583 by then U.S. president Donald Trump. 136 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:35,236 - Tonight an explosive allegation 137 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,064 by a government whistleblower. 138 00:07:37,108 --> 00:07:38,849 - It details President Trump's conversation 139 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:40,198 with the Ukrainian president. 140 00:07:40,241 --> 00:07:41,591 - It was on that call President Trump 141 00:07:41,634 --> 00:07:43,288 told the Ukrainian president, 142 00:07:43,331 --> 00:07:44,724 "I would like you to do us a favor. 143 00:07:47,771 --> 00:07:49,642 - Suddenly I had to do what I do, 144 00:07:49,686 --> 00:07:52,776 listen to smart people. 145 00:07:52,819 --> 00:07:56,083 - In the early 1990s, when the Soviet Union collapsed, 146 00:07:56,127 --> 00:07:58,216 Ukraine had on its territory 147 00:07:58,259 --> 00:08:00,435 the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal. 148 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:01,741 If you go back and you look 149 00:08:01,785 --> 00:08:03,743 at the George H.W. Bush administration 150 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:05,049 and then the first year or two 151 00:08:05,092 --> 00:08:06,833 of the Clinton administration, 152 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:09,575 a real focus was on getting rid of those nuclear weapons. 153 00:08:09,619 --> 00:08:11,272 And the Ukrainians at the end of the day 154 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:12,578 were prepared to do that. 155 00:08:12,622 --> 00:08:14,667 Their one condition was, they said, "Look, 156 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:17,540 "nuclear weapons offer security. 157 00:08:17,583 --> 00:08:20,281 If we get rid of them, how do you replace that?" 158 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:22,414 And we came up with something that seemed like a good idea 159 00:08:22,457 --> 00:08:23,676 at the time. 160 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,069 And it was the Budapest Memorandum 161 00:08:25,112 --> 00:08:27,158 on Security Assurances, where the United States, 162 00:08:27,201 --> 00:08:28,594 Britain, and Russia said, 163 00:08:28,638 --> 00:08:30,596 "We will respect your sovereignty, 164 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,119 "your territorial integrity, your independence. 165 00:08:32,163 --> 00:08:33,294 "And we will not use or threaten 166 00:08:33,337 --> 00:08:34,731 to use force against you." 167 00:08:34,774 --> 00:08:37,211 Russians, of course, have violated all of that. 168 00:08:42,913 --> 00:08:45,480 - We'd originally set out to tell the whimsical tale 169 00:08:45,524 --> 00:08:47,439 of a real-world president, 170 00:08:47,482 --> 00:08:49,659 who had been a comedy superstar 171 00:08:49,702 --> 00:08:52,313 in a series about a rural history teacher 172 00:08:52,357 --> 00:08:54,272 who becomes a president 173 00:08:54,315 --> 00:08:56,404 only later to actually become one. 174 00:08:59,843 --> 00:09:01,627 - Reality had mirrored fiction, 175 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:02,976 and Zelensky had made it difficult 176 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:04,848 for many of us to know 177 00:09:04,891 --> 00:09:07,851 where the television president ended and the real one began. 178 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,507 - It was feeling ever more strangely 179 00:09:12,551 --> 00:09:14,640 like a movie within a movie 180 00:09:14,684 --> 00:09:16,555 within a movie. 181 00:09:16,599 --> 00:09:18,557 What would it take for Ukraine 182 00:09:18,601 --> 00:09:20,167 to be accepted into NATO? 183 00:09:20,211 --> 00:09:22,561 - NATO said, "Enlargement will be a matter 184 00:09:22,605 --> 00:09:24,650 "between the alliance and the country in question 185 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,347 and no third parties." 186 00:09:26,391 --> 00:09:28,480 Well, I think it's fairly obvious 187 00:09:28,523 --> 00:09:30,656 Russia's gotten a de facto vote. 188 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,615 I think the concern here is, 189 00:09:32,658 --> 00:09:36,531 if Ukraine joins NATO on Monday, 190 00:09:36,575 --> 00:09:39,186 on Tuesday, is NATO then at war with Russia? 191 00:09:40,797 --> 00:09:42,450 - The situation in and around Ukraine 192 00:09:42,494 --> 00:09:45,018 remains fluid and unpredictable. 193 00:09:45,062 --> 00:09:47,630 There is no certainty about Russia's intentions. 194 00:09:47,673 --> 00:09:49,849 We see a significant 195 00:09:49,893 --> 00:09:53,026 and unusual concentration of forces, 196 00:09:53,070 --> 00:09:56,856 which is, you know, unjustified and unexplained. 197 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,336 - And with the current Russian buildups... 198 00:09:58,379 --> 00:10:00,120 - Yeah. - How does that go 199 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:02,470 for a president like Zelensky? 200 00:10:02,514 --> 00:10:05,473 - I think Zelensky is a problem for Putin 201 00:10:05,517 --> 00:10:07,388 in the sense that he contradicts 202 00:10:07,432 --> 00:10:08,694 the Russian narrative. 203 00:10:08,738 --> 00:10:10,391 I mean, the Russian narrative of Ukraine 204 00:10:10,435 --> 00:10:13,003 is that there's an ultra-right neo-Nazi government 205 00:10:13,046 --> 00:10:15,309 that hates Russia and hates Russians, 206 00:10:15,353 --> 00:10:19,139 including Ukrainians who are ethnic Russians. 207 00:10:19,183 --> 00:10:20,793 Zelensky is a problem for that. 208 00:10:20,837 --> 00:10:22,099 He's Jewish. 209 00:10:22,142 --> 00:10:23,317 - Let's be serious. 210 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:25,580 We're now living in the world where... 211 00:10:29,454 --> 00:10:33,066 He made an entertainment empire making movies, 212 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:36,722 coming to shows all over the post-Soviet space. 213 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:39,638 He was a star in Russia as well. 214 00:10:42,815 --> 00:10:44,512 - The situation was changing 215 00:10:44,556 --> 00:10:46,427 and feeling more urgent 216 00:10:46,471 --> 00:10:49,648 for us as trying to tell a story about Zelensky 217 00:10:49,692 --> 00:10:51,215 to get over there as soon as possible 218 00:10:51,258 --> 00:10:52,520 to give Sean a feel for the place 219 00:10:52,564 --> 00:10:53,957 before it all might go sideways. 220 00:11:04,054 --> 00:11:06,926 - We took in a bit of nightlife, 221 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:09,537 met with some veterans of the Crimea invasion... 222 00:11:11,191 --> 00:11:14,847 Then ultimately with a very big and strong man 223 00:11:14,891 --> 00:11:17,632 who was posed to challenge Zelensky for the presidency. 224 00:11:17,676 --> 00:11:20,374 - Vitali Klitschko has made history as a boxer. 225 00:11:20,418 --> 00:11:21,593 - Vitali Klitschko retained his share 226 00:11:21,636 --> 00:11:22,899 of the heavyweight title. 227 00:11:22,942 --> 00:11:24,727 - But he's recently left the ring 228 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:26,990 for a far more dangerous arena. 229 00:11:27,033 --> 00:11:29,079 - Right now I continue my fight, 230 00:11:29,122 --> 00:11:32,647 because I see the great future of my country. 231 00:11:32,691 --> 00:11:35,302 - There's a lot of parallels between Ukraine 232 00:11:35,346 --> 00:11:37,435 and the United States today politically. 233 00:11:37,478 --> 00:11:40,830 One of them is how people define freedom. 234 00:11:40,873 --> 00:11:43,180 - Regarding Ukraine, it's our freedom 235 00:11:43,223 --> 00:11:45,530 to be independent, 236 00:11:45,573 --> 00:11:49,795 independent to make a decision where we go. 237 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:52,102 Not so many people know about Ukraine, 238 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:54,800 because we're a very young country. 239 00:11:54,844 --> 00:11:57,020 We just celebrate 30 years' independency. 240 00:11:57,063 --> 00:11:59,718 We was in Soviet Union, 241 00:11:59,762 --> 00:12:03,635 and somebody have an idea to rebuild 242 00:12:03,678 --> 00:12:05,376 big Russian empire. 243 00:12:05,419 --> 00:12:07,813 - Somebody has an idea to rebuild the Soviet Empire? 244 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:09,162 - Yeah. - Yeah. That's right. Okay. 245 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:12,557 - We don't want back to USSR. 246 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,473 We're fighting to build democracy, 247 00:12:15,516 --> 00:12:18,041 to have a choice. 248 00:12:18,084 --> 00:12:22,828 To be part of modern world, I guess, is freedom. 249 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:26,919 But just after 2014, 250 00:12:26,963 --> 00:12:31,489 we clearly understand what this mean, 251 00:12:31,532 --> 00:12:35,058 territorial integrity and independency. 252 00:12:35,101 --> 00:12:39,236 People pay for that highest price. 253 00:12:53,032 --> 00:12:55,078 - Thousands upon thousands of demonstrators 254 00:12:55,121 --> 00:12:57,471 have taken to the streets furious with the government 255 00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:58,908 of President Viktor Yanukovych. 256 00:12:58,951 --> 00:13:01,214 - Yanukovych reversed his decision to sign 257 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:03,738 a long-awaited trade deal with the European Union 258 00:13:03,782 --> 00:13:06,393 in a move that favored stronger ties with Russia. 259 00:13:06,437 --> 00:13:10,876 - I can't imagine us living in the pre-Maidan times, 260 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,748 in the country with authoritarian rule. 261 00:13:13,792 --> 00:13:15,446 We didn't have strong institutions 262 00:13:15,489 --> 00:13:17,100 that were pro-Ukranian. 263 00:13:17,143 --> 00:13:20,581 Our information space was merged with Russia. 264 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:24,107 We didn't think much about Ukrainian identity, 265 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:25,369 but people changed. 266 00:13:25,412 --> 00:13:26,849 - I am Ukrainian. 267 00:13:26,892 --> 00:13:29,242 We are not a Soviet Union. 268 00:13:29,286 --> 00:13:32,289 We want to be free. 269 00:13:33,638 --> 00:13:35,553 Maidan was such an empowering moment 270 00:13:35,596 --> 00:13:36,946 for my generation. 271 00:13:36,989 --> 00:13:42,429 Like, each of us, we felt that our voice matter, 272 00:13:42,473 --> 00:13:46,607 our persistence matters, and that we can win. 273 00:13:56,922 --> 00:13:58,619 - Before Maidan, Ukraine was kind of 274 00:13:58,663 --> 00:14:00,970 a gray area on the map. 275 00:14:02,362 --> 00:14:03,886 - No one understood what's really the difference 276 00:14:03,929 --> 00:14:05,626 between Ukraine and Russia. 277 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:09,108 We were completely, like, in this kleptocratic state, 278 00:14:09,152 --> 00:14:11,719 like, where everyone was stealing everything. 279 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:13,983 And one of the goals of this protest 280 00:14:14,026 --> 00:14:16,942 was to clean up corruption from Ukrainian government. 281 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,639 And it was so hard. 282 00:14:26,343 --> 00:14:29,085 - Fallen bodies in the streets of Kyiv. 283 00:14:29,128 --> 00:14:31,522 Protesters confronting security services, 284 00:14:31,565 --> 00:14:33,872 who respond with live ammunition. 285 00:14:33,916 --> 00:14:35,178 - We're hearing from medical officials 286 00:14:35,221 --> 00:14:36,744 that possibly 100 people have died. 287 00:14:36,788 --> 00:14:38,877 That figure is going to inflame 288 00:14:38,921 --> 00:14:40,487 an awful lot of anger. 289 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:46,624 - Ukrainians have this historical willingness 290 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:48,452 to be a democratic state. 291 00:14:48,495 --> 00:14:53,152 And because it is so hard to get, 292 00:14:53,196 --> 00:14:54,806 it becomes very precious. 293 00:16:10,969 --> 00:16:13,841 - At the ceremony, the lady who spoke before you said 294 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:15,060 he wanted to build Europe here. 295 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:17,715 Is that dream one that will be realized 296 00:16:17,758 --> 00:16:19,151 in the future of Ukraine? 297 00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:28,552 - Euromaidan gave a great push to build our own sense 298 00:16:28,595 --> 00:16:30,075 of responsibility. 299 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,599 We started to realize, it's our country. 300 00:16:32,643 --> 00:16:34,384 We have to do something. 301 00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:36,299 - In a special session, Ukraine's parliament 302 00:16:36,342 --> 00:16:39,432 voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovych. 303 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:43,001 - He fled to Russia, urging Moscow to retaliate. 304 00:17:12,465 --> 00:17:16,165 - Annexation of Crimea was made possible 305 00:17:16,208 --> 00:17:17,992 because of Euromaidan. 306 00:17:18,035 --> 00:17:20,864 It allowed Putin to switch on the propaganda. 307 00:18:03,081 --> 00:18:06,171 - Shame on me having focused so little of my attention 308 00:18:06,215 --> 00:18:09,043 on Ukraine's 2004 Orange Revolution 309 00:18:09,087 --> 00:18:12,873 or its significant leader, Viktor Yushchenko. 310 00:18:12,917 --> 00:18:16,703 After being elected president in 2005, 311 00:18:16,747 --> 00:18:19,489 Yushchenko became Ukraine's first modern leader 312 00:18:19,532 --> 00:18:21,882 to stand up for Ukraine's sovereignty 313 00:18:21,926 --> 00:18:25,625 against Russia's unrelentingly invasive grip. 314 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:28,019 While I, like most Americans, 315 00:18:28,062 --> 00:18:29,934 remembered little beyond the headlines 316 00:18:29,977 --> 00:18:32,197 about the dioxin poisoning of Yushchenko 317 00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:34,199 by Russian assets, 318 00:18:34,243 --> 00:18:35,548 this had been a sanguine moment 319 00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:38,377 in Ukraine's sovereign evolution. 320 00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:41,206 In the ten politically corrupt and chaotic years 321 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,774 of disappointment that followed, 322 00:18:43,817 --> 00:18:47,343 the masses had maintained that rumble of freedom calling 323 00:18:47,386 --> 00:18:49,997 until that rumble became the river 324 00:18:50,041 --> 00:18:52,957 that burst into Maidan. 325 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:04,534 - We were all through eastern Ukraine, 326 00:19:04,577 --> 00:19:07,928 and we traveled down to Mariupol. 327 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,931 - Mariupol, which had been so consistently scarred 328 00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:14,457 since 2014, would later become the site 329 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,373 of so much death and destruction. 330 00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:31,300 Why did you decide to serve? 331 00:19:41,135 --> 00:19:42,702 - And you rose to position of commander? 332 00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:57,500 - And you're a sniper? 333 00:20:01,982 --> 00:20:04,158 - It's November 2021. 334 00:20:04,202 --> 00:20:05,943 Where is general troop morale? 335 00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:29,836 - After Maidan, it was hard to imagine myself 336 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,316 anywhere else in the world, 337 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,711 because Ukraine is a country in the making. 338 00:20:34,754 --> 00:20:38,584 And, like, being a part of the historical process 339 00:20:38,628 --> 00:20:41,195 of building a state, 340 00:20:41,239 --> 00:20:43,328 it's bigger than anything. 341 00:20:43,372 --> 00:20:45,243 Like, you're building something 342 00:20:45,287 --> 00:20:49,987 that will influence life of people for hundreds of years. 343 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:53,904 - After Maidan, people expected 344 00:20:53,947 --> 00:20:56,210 a new political elite, a new government 345 00:20:56,254 --> 00:21:00,084 will change the situation dramatically, 346 00:21:00,127 --> 00:21:02,434 will fight corruption, will change internal rules, 347 00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:04,088 and so on and so forth. 348 00:21:04,131 --> 00:21:06,395 But, unfortunately, the old corrupted elite-- 349 00:21:06,438 --> 00:21:09,006 Western-related but still corrupted-- 350 00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:10,573 came to power. 351 00:21:10,616 --> 00:21:12,183 - He was one of the wealthiest people in the country 352 00:21:12,226 --> 00:21:13,880 from day one. 353 00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,753 - Ukrainians perceived Poroshenko, many of them, 354 00:21:16,796 --> 00:21:20,365 as another oligarch, a rich man going to power 355 00:21:20,409 --> 00:21:22,889 and becoming even more rich man. 356 00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:34,379 - There's a saying here, 357 00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:36,773 which may sound bad, 358 00:21:36,816 --> 00:21:38,383 but as long as there's corruption, 359 00:21:38,427 --> 00:21:40,385 you can count on justice. 360 00:21:40,429 --> 00:21:42,561 - This kind of idea of Ukrainians, 361 00:21:42,605 --> 00:21:46,086 that there are oligarchs who privatized the country, 362 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:48,306 and they put the private interests 363 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,177 over the public interests. 364 00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,789 So Zelensky was playing on this, 365 00:21:52,832 --> 00:21:55,095 that, "I will come, and I will break this system." 366 00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:59,883 - His political life began 367 00:21:59,926 --> 00:22:03,321 with that really incredible coup on New Year's Eve. 368 00:22:05,715 --> 00:22:08,805 - Zelensky was, you know, ally with Kolomoisky, 369 00:22:08,848 --> 00:22:10,372 one of the oligarchs. 370 00:22:10,415 --> 00:22:12,983 And Kolomoisky TV channel, 1+1, 371 00:22:13,026 --> 00:22:16,029 instead of address of the president, Poroshenko, 372 00:22:16,073 --> 00:22:18,380 they put address of Zelensky. 373 00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:25,474 - Zelensky has done a lot to try to separate himself 374 00:22:25,517 --> 00:22:27,432 from Kolomoisky, but I don't get the sense 375 00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,521 that he's as compromised 376 00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:32,002 as someone like Viktor Yanukovych 377 00:22:32,045 --> 00:22:35,353 or Petro Poroshenko, who are legitimate oligarchs. 378 00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:37,442 - In Ukraine, it's not necessarily a country 379 00:22:37,486 --> 00:22:39,270 that's black and white; it's shades of gray. 380 00:22:39,313 --> 00:22:41,054 - Here's a young kid, pure, 381 00:22:41,098 --> 00:22:42,491 innocent, white, fluffy bunny rabbit 382 00:22:42,534 --> 00:22:43,927 untouched by the dirt of politics. 383 00:22:45,885 --> 00:22:46,843 - He knows what to do. 384 00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,948 - I saw his show, "The Servant of the People," 385 00:23:04,991 --> 00:23:07,646 exactly what he would do if he was president, 386 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:10,344 which is destroy oligarchy, destroy corruption. 387 00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:27,884 Be careful. 388 00:23:27,927 --> 00:23:30,452 - He was one of the most famous actor 389 00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:32,845 not just in Ukraine, of all territory 390 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,325 of the Soviet Union. 391 00:23:34,368 --> 00:23:38,721 He not be an actor who is sitting and waiting, 392 00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:40,287 what happened around him. 393 00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:42,464 He was producer. He was director. 394 00:23:44,553 --> 00:23:45,467 - Whoo-hoo! 395 00:24:11,101 --> 00:24:13,190 - The choice is very simple, either or. 396 00:24:13,233 --> 00:24:15,105 Zelensky is hope. 397 00:24:15,148 --> 00:24:17,499 - Sometimes he is not very well-prepared. 398 00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:18,543 - He's really trying. 399 00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:20,284 It's just, like, not his role. 400 00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:22,068 - I mean, we don't know what he thinks 401 00:24:22,112 --> 00:24:24,157 about almost anything. - Well, indeed. 402 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,203 - Test out the policies in the TV show. 403 00:24:26,246 --> 00:24:27,726 See if they bump, you know, and implement them. 404 00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:29,119 - Yes. 405 00:24:32,992 --> 00:24:34,341 - Zelensky came in, 406 00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:35,734 a political novice, supposedly, 407 00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,649 but I think he ran an excellent campaign. 408 00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:39,172 You know, his themes were, "I'm going to fight corruption. 409 00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:40,434 "I'm going to grow the economy. 410 00:24:40,478 --> 00:24:42,349 "We're going to stop the war with Russia, 411 00:24:42,393 --> 00:24:43,742 and we're going to get our territory back." 412 00:24:51,445 --> 00:24:53,578 - We are living in the country 413 00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,580 in which all the presidents 414 00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:58,191 was from some politic elite. 415 00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:02,065 I've been not sure that it can be possible, 416 00:25:02,108 --> 00:25:04,284 but I was sure about him. 417 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:05,677 Absolutely. 418 00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:13,729 - A political earthquake took place in Ukraine this weekend. 419 00:25:13,772 --> 00:25:16,949 On Sunday an electorate sick of the status quo 420 00:25:16,993 --> 00:25:19,952 voted overwhelmingly for a political satirist. 421 00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,345 - We were meeting with people every day 422 00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:07,521 while waiting for it all to line up 423 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:08,914 to meet with the president. 424 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:10,568 Between people on the street, 425 00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:12,178 people in bars and restaurants, 426 00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:13,876 people from all walks of life, 427 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,573 I don't think we found anybody 428 00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,010 who said, "This is the guy." 429 00:26:18,054 --> 00:26:19,055 Did you vote for him? 430 00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:24,321 - Were you a fan of "Servant of the People"? 431 00:26:26,845 --> 00:26:29,108 - I think a lot of people who voted for them 432 00:26:29,152 --> 00:26:30,544 were also confused, 433 00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:33,809 and they were choosing, like, from lesser evil. 434 00:26:33,852 --> 00:26:35,158 - I didn't vote for him, 435 00:26:35,201 --> 00:26:37,116 and I was very skeptical about him. 436 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,641 He did belong to Russian world. 437 00:26:39,684 --> 00:26:43,383 He worked and made money in Russia. 438 00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:46,343 I think that for a long time, 439 00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:50,086 he expected that he could find some understanding. 440 00:27:07,581 --> 00:27:10,323 - Who is Zelensky to you? 441 00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,151 - He's the president, you know? 442 00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:16,286 I don't vote for him, because for me, 443 00:27:16,329 --> 00:27:20,769 president in Ukraine must be a man with the balls. 444 00:27:20,812 --> 00:27:25,774 Because when we have president which want to speak 445 00:27:25,817 --> 00:27:28,080 with the Russians about the peace, 446 00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,255 what the fuck, man? 447 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:31,736 Russians don't care about peace. 448 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:35,131 - How old were each of you when you went to fight? 449 00:27:35,174 --> 00:27:36,828 - I was 27. - 35. 450 00:27:36,872 --> 00:27:38,308 - What led you to it? 451 00:27:38,351 --> 00:27:39,962 - My father was born in Crimea. 452 00:27:40,005 --> 00:27:42,616 My mother lived in Donetsk. 453 00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:46,795 And Crimea and Donetsk now is occupied by Russians. 454 00:27:46,838 --> 00:27:49,362 So I don't want Russians in my house. 455 00:27:49,406 --> 00:27:51,408 Our neighbors, fucking neighbors. 456 00:27:51,451 --> 00:27:53,497 - Da, fucking neighbors. 457 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:55,368 Fucking neighbors. 458 00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:56,979 - We're currently in this situation 459 00:27:57,022 --> 00:27:59,982 where there's a major Russian buildup. 460 00:28:00,025 --> 00:28:03,376 - We live with this for 7 1/2 years. 461 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,119 We understand that they can go to war at us. 462 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:09,513 So maybe for United citizens, 463 00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:11,297 it's like, you know... 464 00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:15,214 For Ukrainians, it's like, "Okay, we know, yeah." 465 00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:17,521 When your enemy is Russian, 466 00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:20,872 you must be fucking tough guy. 467 00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,309 And it's a time when president 468 00:28:23,353 --> 00:28:27,923 must, mm, do some difficult decisions. 469 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:32,492 - More now on our top national story. 470 00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:33,972 The whistleblower 471 00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,495 at the center of the impeachment inquiry 472 00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:37,410 by the House of Representatives alleged 473 00:28:37,454 --> 00:28:40,109 that President Trump abused the power of his office. 474 00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:41,501 - President repeatedly urged 475 00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:43,765 Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky 476 00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:45,810 to investigate his political rival. 477 00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:47,594 - Allegations of a quid pro quo, 478 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,466 that U.S. president Donald Trump 479 00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:51,511 made military aid to Ukraine 480 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:53,339 dependent on the country digging up dirt 481 00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:54,776 on Trump's political opponent. 482 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,826 - It is improper for the president of the United States 483 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:05,090 to demand a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen 484 00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:06,352 and a political opponent. 485 00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:07,789 We missed a huge opportunity 486 00:29:07,832 --> 00:29:09,094 because of the Ukrainian scandal 487 00:29:09,138 --> 00:29:10,704 to work with Zelensky. 488 00:29:10,748 --> 00:29:14,317 And also, those moments indicated to Putin 489 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,709 that there was an opportunity here. 490 00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:18,625 You don't have to worry about the U.S. government 491 00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:19,975 coming down on you like a hammer. 492 00:29:20,018 --> 00:29:21,977 This is a wedge issue. 493 00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:23,413 We could separate, you know, the parties, 494 00:29:23,456 --> 00:29:24,849 the bipartisan support. 495 00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:26,590 If we didn't have that, 496 00:29:26,633 --> 00:29:29,593 maybe we could have warned off Russia's aggression. 497 00:29:29,636 --> 00:29:32,204 - I can see you're angry with President Trump. 498 00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:35,164 Maybe a little bit, huh? 499 00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:38,994 A little bit? 500 00:29:39,037 --> 00:29:40,952 - Zelensky is incredibly careful. 501 00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:43,955 And, I mean, at that point, you can tell he understands 502 00:29:43,999 --> 00:29:46,436 that there's a huge trap here, 503 00:29:46,479 --> 00:29:48,133 and he very carefully walks around it. 504 00:29:50,396 --> 00:29:52,659 And then in December of 2019 505 00:29:52,703 --> 00:29:54,792 there's a summit meeting in Paris. 506 00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:57,099 President Macron of France, Chancellor Merkel of Germany, 507 00:29:57,142 --> 00:29:58,970 they're there with Putin and Zelensky, 508 00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:02,104 tried to mediate a solution to the conflict in Donbas. 509 00:30:09,938 --> 00:30:10,939 - I think Putin kind of thought 510 00:30:10,982 --> 00:30:12,636 he could play Zelensky, 511 00:30:12,679 --> 00:30:14,377 but he challenged Putin in a way that I think 512 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:15,944 Putin was kind of surprised about. 513 00:30:54,808 --> 00:30:56,114 - How does this play out now? 514 00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:59,552 - Now we have the same Putin, 515 00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:01,772 but we have absolutely different Ukraine 516 00:31:01,815 --> 00:31:05,907 and absolutely different mood in your country. 517 00:31:05,950 --> 00:31:07,430 - While Zelensky had coalesced 518 00:31:07,473 --> 00:31:09,432 a new centrism in Ukraine, 519 00:31:09,475 --> 00:31:11,303 the United States had fallen into 520 00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:14,132 a populist lap dance of extremes. 521 00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:17,005 We'd all been feeling the unimaginatively toxic 522 00:31:17,048 --> 00:31:19,224 divisiveness at home, 523 00:31:19,268 --> 00:31:21,009 so to see Ukraine's vibrant, young, 524 00:31:21,052 --> 00:31:23,489 and united democracy downrage 525 00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:26,231 of Russian tyranny was chilling. 526 00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:47,035 - If Putin goes full-strength forward 527 00:31:47,078 --> 00:31:48,732 using conventional weapons, 528 00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:50,908 is Ukraine ready? 529 00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:21,346 - I want protect my country, my mom, my family. 530 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:25,568 To protect democracy is really important to everyone. 531 00:33:25,611 --> 00:33:28,223 All Ukrainians, we all is strong. 532 00:33:28,266 --> 00:33:31,965 And I know that our future is great and big 533 00:33:32,009 --> 00:33:33,489 for everyone Ukrainian. 534 00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:02,822 - In a 2005 address to the Russian Federation 535 00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:05,390 Putin said, "We are a free nation, 536 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:07,349 "and our place in the modern world 537 00:34:07,392 --> 00:34:09,829 "will be defined only by how successful 538 00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,396 and strong we are." 539 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,615 His statement played out as mockery 540 00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,487 in the absolutely authoritarianism 541 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:18,099 he'd adopted in the years that followed. 542 00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:20,318 But its true embodiment was happening 543 00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:22,277 in the sovereign Ukraine. 544 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,541 And we could feel its simmering unification. 545 00:34:25,584 --> 00:34:27,630 It was a different kind of air I was breathing. 546 00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:48,667 - So fucking great. 547 00:35:56,153 --> 00:35:58,242 - There has been a dramatic and worrying shift 548 00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:02,333 in Russia's readiness to attack in the past 48 hours. 549 00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:04,466 Russia has now moved rocket launchers 550 00:36:04,509 --> 00:36:09,384 and long-range artillery into firing positions. 551 00:36:09,427 --> 00:36:11,386 - Vladimir Putin, in a dramatic escalation, 552 00:36:11,429 --> 00:36:13,475 announcing tonight he's sending Russian troops 553 00:36:13,518 --> 00:36:15,259 into eastern Ukraine. 554 00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:49,032 - Hello. 555 00:36:49,075 --> 00:36:50,816 - Fernando, we have a camera on you. 556 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,209 - Okay. 557 00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:53,558 - What was your impression 558 00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:55,038 of Putin's speech the other night? 559 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,267 - But what is your human perception 560 00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:08,660 of his state of mind? 561 00:37:17,278 --> 00:37:20,193 - Up until last night I had some faith 562 00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:24,546 that maybe there is some plan that Putin had in his mind, 563 00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:27,113 bust just on his demeanor 564 00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:28,550 he may not be rational, 565 00:37:28,593 --> 00:37:30,334 and maybe we should seriously consider the fact 566 00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:33,206 that there's a madman in Europe again. 567 00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:34,599 - I don't think he's an irrational man. 568 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:35,992 I don't think it was a crazy speech. 569 00:37:36,035 --> 00:37:37,559 - He challenged Ukraine's right to exist. 570 00:37:37,602 --> 00:37:41,345 - He makes all sorts of absurd assertions, 571 00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,782 like, you know, "Ukrainians are attacking 572 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:45,958 Russian soil" and that sort of thing, 573 00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:48,657 but in some ways I think the point that he's making is that, 574 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,356 "You Americans behave this way for decades already. 575 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,098 And now I'm gonna behave this way myself." 576 00:37:55,141 --> 00:37:56,665 And I think Zelensky has a problem, 577 00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,231 because he's the target. 578 00:37:58,275 --> 00:37:59,624 They want a regime change here. 579 00:38:06,065 --> 00:38:07,110 - People would never support some puppet-- 580 00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:08,241 - No, no, no. - No. 581 00:38:08,285 --> 00:38:09,678 - Isn't it ridiculous, though, 582 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:12,637 that they got to this point because of their hubris. 583 00:38:12,681 --> 00:38:14,900 Zelensky comes to power saying, 584 00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:16,554 "I can make a deal. 585 00:38:16,598 --> 00:38:19,644 "I'm not particularly wedded to any ideological position. 586 00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:21,864 "Language, politics, don't care about it. 587 00:38:21,907 --> 00:38:23,169 "Ukrainization, don't care about it. 588 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:24,823 "I just want peace. 589 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,434 I want everybody in Ukraine to live like what they want." 590 00:38:26,477 --> 00:38:28,305 He says, "Let's have a dialogue." 591 00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:29,698 None of it works. 592 00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:32,091 Putin says, "Meh, meh, no, no deal." 593 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,266 I--you know-- - "You're a nationalist." 594 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,485 - Yeah, "You're a nationalist." 595 00:38:34,529 --> 00:38:36,618 And he keeps calling him a Nazi Jew. 596 00:38:36,661 --> 00:38:38,924 Putin kept calling him a nationalist so many times 597 00:38:38,968 --> 00:38:41,318 that ultimately it's like, "Okay, fine. 598 00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,756 NATO, I'm gonna speak Ukrainian in public all the time." 599 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,455 'Cause there's nothing that the people in the Kremlin 600 00:38:47,498 --> 00:38:50,414 are willing to do in order to make a dialogue happen. 601 00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:52,373 - Isn't it a story of, like Russia's policy 602 00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:53,548 against Ukraine the last eight years? 603 00:38:53,591 --> 00:38:54,984 Every single things they've done 604 00:38:55,027 --> 00:38:56,246 has completely backfired on them. 605 00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:57,334 - Totally. - They thought they'd launch 606 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:59,554 a war to split this country apart, 607 00:38:59,597 --> 00:39:00,903 and it actually unified the country. 608 00:39:00,946 --> 00:39:03,384 And I think in my interpretation last night is, 609 00:39:03,427 --> 00:39:04,776 this is about vengeance. 610 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:06,474 He's angry. 611 00:39:06,517 --> 00:39:08,693 This country wants to divorce itself from Russia forever, 612 00:39:08,737 --> 00:39:10,129 and he wants it back. 613 00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,393 - Yeah, and there's this ideology in Russia 614 00:39:12,436 --> 00:39:14,873 Slovak people can't have a democracy, 615 00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:16,353 and, you know, Russians actually believe it, 616 00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:17,963 and then, if, you know, if they have something 617 00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,139 that's successful here, it is an existential threat to them. 618 00:39:46,644 --> 00:39:48,124 - We're looking at something now, 619 00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:50,866 we're gonna have air power, missiles, cyberattacks, 620 00:39:50,909 --> 00:39:52,345 jamming GPS. 621 00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:53,434 It's-- 622 00:39:53,477 --> 00:39:55,697 - If it happens like that. 623 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:57,307 - But I think if--if-- 624 00:39:57,350 --> 00:39:59,483 - I think the chances are up to 10% of-- 625 00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:00,745 - Ooh. 626 00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:02,312 - I say, for me, it's 50/50 right now. 627 00:40:02,355 --> 00:40:05,750 - 50/50 of Kyiv on fire. - Yes. 628 00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:07,360 - I mean, I just think the U.S. government 629 00:40:07,404 --> 00:40:09,362 isn't worrying about these things for nothing. 630 00:40:10,581 --> 00:40:12,975 - Have you been to Russia? 631 00:40:17,414 --> 00:40:20,243 - In 2001 Jack Nicholson and I had a film 632 00:40:20,286 --> 00:40:24,203 at the Moscow Film Festival. 633 00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:26,554 That night has become a deviant memory. 634 00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:39,871 - Rising tension has prompted the United States 635 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:43,440 to remove its personnel from the U.S. embassy in Ukraine. 636 00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:44,833 - The U.S. State Department 637 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,183 issuing its highest level, level 4, 638 00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:48,706 "do not travel" advisory. 639 00:40:50,926 --> 00:40:54,886 - It felt increasingly like Putin's special operation 640 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:56,497 was coming our way. 641 00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:08,073 - The U.S. is rushing more military aid to the country, 642 00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,771 the first shipment 643 00:41:09,814 --> 00:41:11,947 of a new $200 million package arriving, 644 00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:13,644 including ammunition. 645 00:41:13,688 --> 00:41:16,212 - You are likely in the last few hours 646 00:41:16,255 --> 00:41:18,954 of peace on the European continent 647 00:41:18,997 --> 00:41:20,651 for a long time to come. 648 00:41:20,695 --> 00:41:23,480 - Vladimir Putin has just addressed 649 00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:26,222 the Russian people moments ago announcing what Putin called 650 00:41:26,265 --> 00:41:28,572 the start of a military special operation, 651 00:41:28,616 --> 00:41:32,271 in his words, to demilitarize Ukraine. 652 00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:34,578 - We may be witnessing now what is the beginning 653 00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:39,931 of the bloodiest conflict in Europe since World War II. 654 00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:42,586 - Russian president Vladimir Putin 655 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:45,981 has 150,000-plus troops near the border. 656 00:41:56,469 --> 00:41:57,775 - Russia has got forces effectively 657 00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:59,385 surrounding Ukraine on three sides, 658 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:01,213 by land and sea and air. 659 00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:20,406 - We were nearing the end of our scheduled week in Kyiv 660 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:22,757 when we got the called we'd been waiting for. 661 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,977 It was February 23, 2022, 662 00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:28,023 when our first in-person meeting 663 00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,459 with President Zelensky would happen. 664 00:42:32,331 --> 00:42:33,811 We did not bring our cameras. 665 00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,771 I myself am suspicious of trusts built 666 00:42:36,814 --> 00:42:38,860 on electronic communications. 667 00:42:38,903 --> 00:42:40,949 I wanted the president to have an opportunity 668 00:42:40,992 --> 00:42:43,952 of sizing me up in person before asking him to commit 669 00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:46,563 to participate in our film. 670 00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,218 By the end of our meeting he did indeed commit to us 671 00:42:49,261 --> 00:42:52,656 bringing out cameras on the following day. 672 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,659 On any other day I might have been ecstatic. 673 00:42:55,703 --> 00:42:59,097 But this was not anyone's average day on planet Earth. 674 00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:02,579 And both this warm, young president I'd just met 675 00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,755 and his nation were in 676 00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:07,062 a heart-wrenching degree of danger. 677 00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:12,197 - Sean, I just talked to the security guy. 678 00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:14,722 We have to leave the country in the morning. 679 00:43:14,765 --> 00:43:17,768 Yeah, so we'll try to meet the president tomorrow. 680 00:43:17,812 --> 00:43:19,552 - There's a big difference in my conversation 681 00:43:19,596 --> 00:43:23,687 about leaving one day early versus leaving tomorrow. 682 00:43:23,731 --> 00:43:26,647 I don't--I'm not prepared to leave tomorrow. 683 00:43:31,477 --> 00:43:34,567 Who do you think you are, Geraldo Rivera? 684 00:43:43,228 --> 00:43:46,623 - The war in Ukraine has begun. 685 00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:50,540 - Three explosions rocked the capital of Kyiv this morning. 686 00:43:50,583 --> 00:43:52,281 A rocket hit an apartment building 687 00:43:52,324 --> 00:43:53,717 starting a fire. 688 00:43:53,761 --> 00:43:57,678 - When was the last time you heard something? 689 00:43:57,721 --> 00:44:01,159 - Like, that was, like, a half an hour ago. 690 00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:03,379 I heard, like, the sounds of explosions. 691 00:44:03,422 --> 00:44:05,033 - If we need them at some point, 692 00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:07,035 who's providing vests, helmets, and all that shit? 693 00:44:07,078 --> 00:44:09,864 - Peter. - Okay. 694 00:44:09,907 --> 00:44:12,649 - I mean, we just got a call that there was-- 695 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:14,390 - They had two impacts in town. 696 00:44:18,916 --> 00:44:20,352 They're hitting the airport. - No. 697 00:44:20,396 --> 00:44:22,790 - Yeah. - Fucking A. 698 00:44:22,833 --> 00:44:24,748 - Airspace shut down. 699 00:44:40,285 --> 00:44:42,984 - I agree. 700 00:44:46,074 --> 00:44:47,466 - What are we doing? 701 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:49,381 - Just going over to the InterContinental, 702 00:44:49,425 --> 00:44:50,948 find out what's going on, because nobody here 703 00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:53,124 seems to know what's going on. 704 00:44:53,168 --> 00:44:55,474 No maps, nothing. They'll have stuff... 705 00:44:59,914 --> 00:45:01,263 - Fuck it. 706 00:45:01,306 --> 00:45:03,047 - We're just going to go to the InterContinental, 707 00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:04,309 that hotel right there. - Right. Right. 708 00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:06,094 - To that? - Just the hotel right there. 709 00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:07,748 - To that hotel that is on the opposite side? 710 00:45:07,791 --> 00:45:08,705 - Yeah. 711 00:45:48,092 --> 00:45:51,052 - And it says, like, the recent rocket attacks-- 712 00:45:51,095 --> 00:45:53,184 - Rocket attacks? 713 00:45:53,228 --> 00:45:56,274 I hear ya. I hear ya. 714 00:45:56,318 --> 00:45:58,624 - Here. - Thanks. 715 00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:04,195 I just heard from Robert O'Brien. 716 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,849 He said, "Get the fuck out." 717 00:46:07,155 --> 00:46:09,287 - The U.S. did hear from the president 718 00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:11,550 of Ukraine earlier tonight. 719 00:46:11,594 --> 00:46:13,857 He's there. He has not fled his country. 720 00:46:13,901 --> 00:46:16,904 - He obviously is determined to say. 721 00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:40,753 - Your attention, please. 722 00:46:40,797 --> 00:46:43,234 There is second-level threat in country. 723 00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,193 We'll leave upon you the decision 724 00:46:45,236 --> 00:46:48,065 to leave the hotel or stay. 725 00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:51,286 We'll help to organize this at a point in the hotel. 726 00:46:51,329 --> 00:46:54,506 In a crisis, you will get the shelter. 727 00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:57,205 In the announcement of this threat, 728 00:46:57,248 --> 00:46:59,642 use stairwell down to the lobby. 729 00:46:59,685 --> 00:47:01,905 Follow staff instructions. 730 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:03,124 You will be leaded to the shelter place. 731 00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:04,908 - The air raid sirens had escorted us 732 00:47:04,952 --> 00:47:07,824 into the day break of the 24th. 733 00:47:07,868 --> 00:47:10,740 The modern country was suddenly at war. 734 00:47:10,783 --> 00:47:14,222 It was a sad, surreal, and shocking day. 735 00:47:14,265 --> 00:47:16,137 But admittedly, one also surrenders 736 00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:18,008 to some exhilaration. 737 00:47:18,052 --> 00:47:21,446 It keeps you awake when sleep is a distant memory. 738 00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:23,709 And though completely unexpected, 739 00:47:23,753 --> 00:47:25,711 the president's office confirmed 740 00:47:25,755 --> 00:47:29,237 that the president would still keep our appointment. 741 00:47:31,892 --> 00:47:35,112 - President Biden unleashed new sanctions against Russia. 742 00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:37,854 - This aggression cannot go unanswered. 743 00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:41,945 America stands up to bullies. We stand up for freedom. 744 00:47:41,989 --> 00:47:44,339 - President Biden has said again and again 745 00:47:44,382 --> 00:47:47,516 no U.S. troops will be involved in this war. 746 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,171 - I assumed that journalist and quasi-journalists 747 00:47:50,214 --> 00:47:52,564 around the world would scoff, 748 00:47:52,608 --> 00:47:54,958 but there was not one cell in my body 749 00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:57,874 willing to prepare a question for the president, 750 00:47:57,918 --> 00:48:00,746 not on a day like this. 751 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:02,879 I hoped the film would be useful. 752 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,446 That's about it. 753 00:48:36,304 --> 00:48:39,133 - This is the center of the universe 754 00:48:39,176 --> 00:48:43,137 for democracy today, right now. 755 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:09,598 - Okay, we have ten minutes for that. 756 00:49:28,704 --> 00:49:31,011 - We knew by that time about the Russian commandos 757 00:49:31,054 --> 00:49:33,230 that had taken the airport. 758 00:49:33,274 --> 00:49:35,450 And that was only about 15 kilometers away. 759 00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:39,758 There was talk about how long it would take 760 00:49:39,802 --> 00:49:43,632 for the Russians to completely encircle Kyiv. 761 00:49:43,675 --> 00:49:48,245 It was imminent. 762 00:49:59,778 --> 00:50:02,607 - Hi. 763 00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:06,524 - I'm well. 764 00:51:50,062 --> 00:51:52,239 - To be here at this time, in this country, 765 00:51:52,282 --> 00:51:54,676 with you, with your countrymen, 766 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,462 I mean, there's so much inspiration to be had here. 767 00:52:32,496 --> 00:52:33,845 - Where does it end? I mean, what does he want? 768 00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:36,152 What does he--what is the-- 769 00:53:29,118 --> 00:53:30,728 - Rosa arrange this. - Yes. Right. 770 00:53:38,823 --> 00:53:41,261 - Please don't say you were in the bunker. 771 00:53:41,304 --> 00:53:42,653 - No. 772 00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:43,480 - You say only Office of President. 773 00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:47,092 - Okay. 774 00:53:49,138 --> 00:53:52,794 Oh, man. 775 00:53:52,837 --> 00:53:55,449 - Right. No, we're the good guys. 776 00:53:59,322 --> 00:54:00,236 - Yeah. 777 00:54:02,499 --> 00:54:04,414 - Yeah. 778 00:54:06,198 --> 00:54:07,939 - Yeah. 779 00:54:14,859 --> 00:54:17,384 Bye-bye. 780 00:54:22,737 --> 00:54:25,217 - Yeah. 781 00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:31,180 Who's the Zoom with? 782 00:54:31,223 --> 00:54:33,661 - With Ksenia Sobchak--Russia-- who's staying in Moscow. 783 00:54:33,704 --> 00:54:35,967 - Okay, but is it on TV or just a person? 784 00:54:36,011 --> 00:54:37,621 - On TV. - You think it's TV? 785 00:54:37,665 --> 00:54:38,666 - Yes. - Russian TV? 786 00:54:38,709 --> 00:54:40,145 - Russian TV. - Okay. 787 00:54:40,189 --> 00:54:42,757 All right, let me tell him. 788 00:54:58,381 --> 00:55:00,862 - Thank you for coming out to our broadcast. 789 00:55:00,905 --> 00:55:05,257 Sean, tell us, please, where are you, first of all? 790 00:55:05,301 --> 00:55:06,824 - I am in Kyiv. 791 00:55:06,868 --> 00:55:09,000 - Why you're in Kyiv? 792 00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:11,481 Were you aware of the threat 793 00:55:11,525 --> 00:55:13,353 you're facing there? 794 00:55:13,396 --> 00:55:15,790 - Well, I think all reasonable people were considering 795 00:55:15,833 --> 00:55:17,313 all possibilities. 796 00:55:17,357 --> 00:55:20,403 - As far as I know, as far as I understand, 797 00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:24,451 today you met with President Zelensky. 798 00:55:24,494 --> 00:55:27,932 What were the things you were discussing? 799 00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:31,588 - What an unimaginable position-- 800 00:55:31,632 --> 00:55:35,200 it is my thought-- that any man or woman 801 00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:37,159 in this world could be in. 802 00:55:37,202 --> 00:55:41,032 I believe with everything in my heart 803 00:55:41,076 --> 00:55:42,991 that this is a man of love, 804 00:55:43,034 --> 00:55:47,865 intelligence, and courage, 805 00:55:47,909 --> 00:55:52,261 and I still believe love is proving itself 806 00:55:52,304 --> 00:55:54,829 to be the most powerful weapon on Earth. 807 00:55:58,136 --> 00:56:00,965 - Protests tonight across Russia 808 00:56:01,009 --> 00:56:03,359 in more than 50 cities. 809 00:56:03,403 --> 00:56:06,449 - How much resistance is there to President Putin? 810 00:56:09,321 --> 00:56:10,453 - These Russians 811 00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:13,630 need to be the example of peace 812 00:56:13,674 --> 00:56:14,936 for the rest of the world. 813 00:56:14,979 --> 00:56:17,199 This is the height of that moment 814 00:56:17,242 --> 00:56:19,375 in my lifetime, certainly, 815 00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:23,771 and I think we can all assume, perhaps, ever. 816 00:57:01,809 --> 00:57:04,028 Okay, any questions? - Yes. 817 00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:06,030 Is there a weapon in the bunch? Where is it? 818 00:58:10,442 --> 00:58:12,836 - Oh, my God. 819 00:58:31,246 --> 00:58:33,204 - Russia's brutal war on Ukraine 820 00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:34,771 begins its second day. 821 00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:44,912 - Right now, I-- 822 00:58:44,955 --> 00:58:46,391 we've been, like, 823 00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:50,178 for the last 12 hours, we've been on the road 824 00:58:50,221 --> 00:58:52,659 kind of zigzagging to get to the Polish border 825 00:58:52,702 --> 00:58:56,576 going a foot at a time in cars on different roads, 826 00:58:56,619 --> 00:58:59,796 because they bombed out a bridge on one, 827 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,756 and it's just a lot of, you know-- 828 00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,496 but I'm completely fine. 829 00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:07,543 And we got to shoot with the president. 830 00:59:07,587 --> 00:59:09,719 Just moving. 831 00:59:09,763 --> 00:59:12,374 - Ukrainian president Zelensky 832 00:59:12,417 --> 00:59:13,897 remains in the capital 833 00:59:13,941 --> 00:59:15,507 despite threats from the Kremlin 834 00:59:15,551 --> 00:59:16,726 against his young family. 835 00:59:23,907 --> 00:59:27,084 - Reports emerged the Americans had offered an evacuation, 836 00:59:27,128 --> 00:59:31,132 to which Mr. Zelensky replied... 837 00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,290 - How many kilometers away are we, 20? 838 00:59:59,334 --> 01:00:00,814 - About 28. 839 01:00:00,857 --> 01:00:03,947 - Hey. Yeah, so we're just going to abandon this. 840 01:00:03,991 --> 01:00:06,515 There's no order to it. 841 01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:09,997 - Let's see if there's a dirt road 842 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,608 behind those trees. 843 01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,937 - All right, this is it? This is all we're taking? 844 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,603 You're going to take that backpack and your other bag. 845 01:00:51,647 --> 01:00:53,040 - I got it. - You need to put the backpack 846 01:00:53,083 --> 01:00:54,476 on properly. 847 01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:55,695 - Hey. How you doing? 848 01:00:55,738 --> 01:00:56,739 - Hey. How are you? 849 01:01:00,569 --> 01:01:02,353 - It is, man. It is. It is. 850 01:01:02,397 --> 01:01:05,226 My wife's devastated. 851 01:01:05,269 --> 01:01:06,749 - It's unbelievable. It's surreal. 852 01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:08,229 - It's crazy. 853 01:01:08,272 --> 01:01:10,710 - Come on, Mick. 854 01:01:10,753 --> 01:01:12,102 - Now they're just picking up everyone. 855 01:01:12,146 --> 01:01:13,756 - Yeah. 856 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,238 - I mean, it's unreal what's happening. 857 01:01:17,281 --> 01:01:20,850 - Yeah, man. Mickey. - Yeah? 858 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,160 - All right, man. - All right, man, cool. 859 01:01:31,513 --> 01:01:34,777 - While the men of Ukraine ages 18 to 60 860 01:01:34,821 --> 01:01:36,474 were compelled to stay in country 861 01:01:36,518 --> 01:01:38,738 and get into the fight, 862 01:01:38,781 --> 01:01:42,567 women and children dominantly occupied these miles and miles 863 01:01:42,611 --> 01:01:46,397 of cars inching their way toward the Polish border. 864 01:01:46,441 --> 01:01:50,662 These heroic women set off to a different front line 865 01:01:50,706 --> 01:01:53,230 and the heartbreak of husbands, fathers, 866 01:01:53,274 --> 01:01:55,842 brothers, sons, and businesses 867 01:01:55,885 --> 01:01:57,844 all left behind. 868 01:01:57,887 --> 01:02:00,977 They fled for their children's safety, 869 01:02:01,021 --> 01:02:07,027 many without any certain destination or support. 870 01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:10,247 Just three days earlier, they were you and me. 871 01:02:13,685 --> 01:02:15,775 - War has returned to Europe. 872 01:02:15,818 --> 01:02:18,516 - Explosions and the exodus are only the beginning. 873 01:02:22,607 --> 01:02:23,826 all: Stand with Ukraine! 874 01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:25,132 - The Russian invasion of Ukraine 875 01:02:25,175 --> 01:02:27,177 continues to spark an outcry. 876 01:02:29,353 --> 01:02:31,051 - People around the globe are rallying 877 01:02:31,094 --> 01:02:32,922 in solidarity with Ukraine. 878 01:02:36,491 --> 01:02:38,014 - My feeling is, 879 01:02:38,058 --> 01:02:40,756 I'd rather fail, you know, trying in my little way 880 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,543 to be a uniter, you know, by going and talking to somebody 881 01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,719 who's already labeled me full screen 882 01:02:47,763 --> 01:02:49,330 the enemy of the state. 883 01:02:49,373 --> 01:02:50,853 - And finally tonight, the enemy of the state. 884 01:02:50,897 --> 01:02:52,463 This week, actor, activist, 885 01:02:52,507 --> 01:02:54,291 and all-around very angry man 886 01:02:54,335 --> 01:02:56,728 Sean Penn takes the honors. 887 01:02:56,772 --> 01:02:59,644 You are this week's enemy of the state. 888 01:02:59,688 --> 01:03:01,124 - I flip between Fox and CNN. 889 01:03:01,168 --> 01:03:03,083 And, like, each time, it's like, 890 01:03:03,126 --> 01:03:05,650 "Sean Penn's going on 'Hannity.'" 891 01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:09,829 - The least we can do to honor what they're doing is try. 892 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,269 It was important for him to get the word out 893 01:03:15,312 --> 01:03:17,010 about what he had seen, what he had heard, 894 01:03:17,053 --> 01:03:18,098 what he had experienced. 895 01:03:18,141 --> 01:03:19,403 - It's a pleasure. 896 01:03:19,447 --> 01:03:21,928 Thanks for everything. You've been great. 897 01:03:27,498 --> 01:03:30,545 - If you were on this set, 99 out of 100 times, 898 01:03:30,588 --> 01:03:33,287 we probably would be in full disagreement, right? 899 01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:34,636 - No question about that. 900 01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,594 I don't trust you. 901 01:03:36,638 --> 01:03:38,640 Is there a reason you didn't trust me? 902 01:03:38,683 --> 01:03:40,163 - Yeah, there's a lot of reasons I don't trust you, 903 01:03:40,207 --> 01:03:42,774 but I don't think that I've got time 904 01:03:42,818 --> 01:03:45,603 to indulge my lack of trust, 905 01:03:45,647 --> 01:03:47,518 which it becomes a petty thing 906 01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:49,956 as people and babies are being vaporized. 907 01:03:49,999 --> 01:03:52,567 - A lot of the world didn't think that Putin would do it. 908 01:03:52,610 --> 01:03:53,916 I did think he would. 909 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,265 So you get there. 910 01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:57,093 You're interviewing Zelensky at this time. 911 01:03:57,137 --> 01:03:58,616 Did he see this coming? 912 01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:00,357 Did he believe that this was real? 913 01:04:00,401 --> 01:04:01,750 - Yes. 914 01:04:01,793 --> 01:04:04,100 He is the face of something that you see 915 01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:07,843 in all the Ukrainians we saw and talked to 916 01:04:07,887 --> 01:04:10,585 whether they were in uniform, out of uniform, 917 01:04:10,628 --> 01:04:13,718 schoolteachers, even children, 918 01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:16,591 this extraordinary courage that's come up. 919 01:04:16,634 --> 01:04:20,900 It is clear to me that the Ukrainians will win this. 920 01:04:20,943 --> 01:04:22,771 The question is, at what cost? 921 01:04:22,814 --> 01:04:24,338 - In this buildup 922 01:04:24,381 --> 01:04:27,819 I thought NATO countries and Western European countries 923 01:04:27,863 --> 01:04:30,648 and the U.S. should have been arming 924 01:04:30,692 --> 01:04:32,824 the Ukrainians for that moment. 925 01:04:32,868 --> 01:04:34,914 - This could happen tomorrow also. 926 01:04:34,957 --> 01:04:37,307 We could get F-15s, F-16s in. 927 01:04:37,351 --> 01:04:39,266 Then they can fly those with three weeks of training. 928 01:04:39,309 --> 01:04:41,442 They can fly the MiGs and the Sus now. 929 01:04:41,485 --> 01:04:43,966 - Poland offered--what was it-- 28 or 29 MiGs. 930 01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:45,359 - Yeah. 931 01:04:45,402 --> 01:04:47,970 - Every report says Joe Biden vetoed that. 932 01:04:48,014 --> 01:04:49,232 Forget politics. 933 01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:50,886 - Not everybody says he vetoed it. 934 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:53,367 - Whoever vetoed it, Ronald Reagan had a doctrine. 935 01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:56,326 And the doctrine was in the case of the former Soviet Union 936 01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:58,981 invading Afghanistan in the '80s, 937 01:04:59,025 --> 01:05:01,375 he supplied Stinger missiles to the mujahideen. 938 01:05:01,418 --> 01:05:03,377 I support that doctrine. 939 01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,248 I support the Trump doctrine that, 940 01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:08,121 if you're gonna fight a war you push buttons 941 01:05:08,164 --> 01:05:11,167 using new military weaponry and technology, 942 01:05:11,211 --> 01:05:12,429 and you bomb the shit out of-- 943 01:05:12,473 --> 01:05:13,691 - Okay, but I would argue... - Hang on. 944 01:05:13,735 --> 01:05:15,171 - You've made this political, 945 01:05:15,215 --> 01:05:16,477 and now give me a chance to respond to it. 946 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,869 - Hang on. I will. 947 01:05:17,913 --> 01:05:19,610 - Because I'm not talking about anybody's doctrine 948 01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:21,917 that got us into a lot of other crap. 949 01:05:21,961 --> 01:05:24,659 - Republicans and Democrats, they're all gung ho. 950 01:05:24,702 --> 01:05:26,226 They start these wars. 951 01:05:26,269 --> 01:05:28,054 They don't fight them to win them. 952 01:05:28,097 --> 01:05:29,881 - We--we absolutely agree on that. 953 01:05:29,925 --> 01:05:31,231 - And fight the war to win it. - That's right. 954 01:05:31,274 --> 01:05:33,276 - And that means to defeat Russa-- 955 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,583 - Or let them fight it to win it, because they will. 956 01:05:35,626 --> 01:05:36,714 - Well, that's what I'm saying. 957 01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:38,020 Let the Ukrainians fight themselves. 958 01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:40,240 - Yeah, we agree. You and I can argue all day. 959 01:05:40,283 --> 01:05:41,981 But I look at you, and I think you believe 960 01:05:42,024 --> 01:05:43,765 in this country in your way. 961 01:05:43,808 --> 01:05:45,245 I believe in it in mine. - 100% 962 01:05:45,288 --> 01:05:49,510 - When you step into a country of such incredible unity, 963 01:05:49,553 --> 01:05:52,078 you realize what we've all been missing. 964 01:05:52,121 --> 01:05:54,602 - You'll never talk politics with me on this show, will you? 965 01:05:54,645 --> 01:05:55,777 - We--we've all got to figure out-- 966 01:05:55,820 --> 01:05:57,039 - Wasn't that bad. 967 01:05:57,083 --> 01:05:59,433 Do you trust me now more than you did? 968 01:05:59,476 --> 01:06:01,478 - There's a lot of physical therapy necessary 969 01:06:01,522 --> 01:06:04,264 after a big car accident. 970 01:06:04,307 --> 01:06:05,743 You don't get it all done in a day. 971 01:06:05,787 --> 01:06:07,876 - Our prayers are with the innocent, 972 01:06:07,919 --> 01:06:09,573 and I wish you luck in helping them. 973 01:06:09,617 --> 01:06:11,749 - And the heroes who are fighting for them. 974 01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:14,665 - Next time we'll battle over Hugo Ch๏ฟฝvez or something fun. 975 01:06:14,709 --> 01:06:16,058 - That's an interesting conversation. 976 01:06:16,102 --> 01:06:17,059 - All right. - All right. 977 01:06:17,103 --> 01:06:19,061 - Thank you for being with us. 978 01:06:19,105 --> 01:06:20,845 - Former Speaker of the House, Fox News contributor 979 01:06:20,889 --> 01:06:22,325 Newt Gingrich is with us. 980 01:06:22,369 --> 01:06:25,285 Your thoughts on the conversation and more. 981 01:06:25,328 --> 01:06:29,506 - That may have been one of the most impactful 982 01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:33,380 and amazing interviews of your entire career. 983 01:06:33,423 --> 01:06:35,947 - I'm going to talk to Sean Hannity, 984 01:06:35,991 --> 01:06:38,776 to Fox News, MSNBC. 985 01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:41,518 I'm going to go do talks at presidential libraries. 986 01:06:41,562 --> 01:06:42,737 We're going to get this message out 987 01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:43,955 and help get what Ukraine needs. 988 01:06:43,999 --> 01:06:46,523 - You called and said get the hell out, 989 01:06:46,567 --> 01:06:48,395 get the F out, whatever. - Yeah, yeah. 990 01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:50,049 There's going to be a serious attempt 991 01:06:50,092 --> 01:06:53,269 at a quick decapitation strike with the Russian paratroopers. 992 01:06:53,313 --> 01:06:56,446 - The Ukrainians had something to say about that, obviously. 993 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:59,058 - Every fundraiser I've been to, every event I've been to 994 01:06:59,101 --> 01:07:00,885 for the last several months, 995 01:07:00,929 --> 01:07:02,235 people are up in arms over Ukraine. 996 01:07:02,278 --> 01:07:04,411 - I mean, when we do the stories, 997 01:07:04,454 --> 01:07:05,803 the ratings go through the roof. 998 01:07:05,847 --> 01:07:07,022 - Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 999 01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:08,154 our distinguished panel. 1000 01:07:11,026 --> 01:07:12,332 - It's amazing to see the Ukrainians 1001 01:07:12,375 --> 01:07:14,160 and the resilience. 1002 01:07:14,203 --> 01:07:16,988 The Ukrainians are fighting and fighting hard. 1003 01:07:17,032 --> 01:07:19,426 And you think Ukraine can win this. 1004 01:07:19,469 --> 01:07:23,212 - I'd go further, and, you know, I wager everything. 1005 01:07:23,256 --> 01:07:25,301 The Ukrainians are going to win. 1006 01:07:25,345 --> 01:07:27,477 And what we're going to be doing is saying, 1007 01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,306 "How many lives did we let them lose?" 1008 01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:32,395 - You know, in Zelensky, this is a leader 1009 01:07:32,439 --> 01:07:35,529 who is pretty remarkable in this moment. 1010 01:07:35,572 --> 01:07:40,055 - Part of what makes him so particularly extraordinary 1011 01:07:40,099 --> 01:07:41,752 is that in that courage, he's the face 1012 01:07:41,796 --> 01:07:44,494 of so many Ukrainians. 1013 01:07:44,538 --> 01:07:46,627 This is leadership. 1014 01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:48,803 No one on the planet's been tested 1015 01:07:48,846 --> 01:07:51,110 in leadership like this one human being. 1016 01:07:51,153 --> 01:07:52,981 - Mr. President, what is it... - Tonight 1017 01:07:53,024 --> 01:07:54,678 a world-exclusive interview. - What is the situation? 1018 01:07:54,722 --> 01:07:56,680 - Thank you so much for talking. 1019 01:07:56,724 --> 01:07:58,029 - Thank you very much. 1020 01:07:58,073 --> 01:08:01,250 - If you do win, will Vladimir Putin survive? 1021 01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:06,081 - You know, Ronald Reagan once said, 1022 01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:09,171 "I don't know how anyone could have held this position 1023 01:08:09,215 --> 01:08:11,695 without having had acting ability." 1024 01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:13,697 And he said, "The ability to be a good actor 1025 01:08:13,741 --> 01:08:15,873 is to be yourself when the camera comes on." 1026 01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,008 When Zelensky got elected, a lot of people 1027 01:08:20,051 --> 01:08:21,357 made the comparisons to Ronald Reagan. 1028 01:08:21,401 --> 01:08:23,794 And, "He's an actor, and he's not prepared." 1029 01:08:23,838 --> 01:08:26,667 And yet Zelensky is just himself, 1030 01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:27,842 when the camera's on, when it's off. 1031 01:08:27,884 --> 01:08:30,366 He is who he is. 1032 01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:34,022 This moment right now, he is perfect. 1033 01:08:34,065 --> 01:08:36,197 - The Ukrainian president has been praised 1034 01:08:36,241 --> 01:08:38,460 as a master of social media. 1035 01:08:38,505 --> 01:08:40,289 - I mean, one thing that's very important to remember 1036 01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:41,594 is, he is a performer. 1037 01:08:41,638 --> 01:08:43,205 - Social media has allowed him 1038 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:45,728 to dominate the information war. 1039 01:08:45,772 --> 01:08:47,688 - He has the bully pulpit now. 1040 01:08:47,731 --> 01:08:49,690 People feel comfortable that he has a vision now. 1041 01:08:51,431 --> 01:08:52,954 - All three of you really being versed 1042 01:08:52,996 --> 01:08:54,347 in this over time, 1043 01:08:54,389 --> 01:08:56,262 take me back before the invasion. 1044 01:08:56,304 --> 01:09:00,353 - 1999, I had an opportunity to do a project in Ukraine, 1045 01:09:00,396 --> 01:09:01,745 and I was in Ukraine until a month ago, 1046 01:09:01,789 --> 01:09:03,530 two days before the war. 1047 01:09:03,572 --> 01:09:05,661 - I was in 2008 when the second invasion 1048 01:09:05,705 --> 01:09:07,228 happened in Georgia. 1049 01:09:07,272 --> 01:09:09,623 We got in, and we were lucky we got out. 1050 01:09:09,665 --> 01:09:12,755 - I was in Iraq in 2007, 2008 during the surge. 1051 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,932 - So I was the main interpreter for Lech Walesa. 1052 01:09:14,976 --> 01:09:18,371 So I was all over Central and Eastern Europe. 1053 01:09:18,414 --> 01:09:21,025 Yeah, so I've seen a lot of stuff. 1054 01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:24,290 And I've seen regression. 1055 01:09:24,333 --> 01:09:25,420 And it breaks my heart. 1056 01:09:25,464 --> 01:09:27,335 I was sent twice... 1057 01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:29,208 - What does the healing look like 1058 01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:32,472 between Russians and Ukrainians? 1059 01:09:32,514 --> 01:09:35,605 - Unless they kick the Russians out 1060 01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:37,346 or the Russians take off 1061 01:09:37,389 --> 01:09:40,915 and literally give everything back to the Ukrainians 1062 01:09:40,958 --> 01:09:45,136 that would be perhaps the beginning, 1063 01:09:45,179 --> 01:09:48,270 except when you look at the number of dead civilians 1064 01:09:48,313 --> 01:09:51,098 and children and women and old people 1065 01:09:51,142 --> 01:09:52,753 that the Russians, they've been killing. 1066 01:09:55,712 --> 01:09:56,931 - Go this way, guys. 1067 01:10:07,724 --> 01:10:11,075 - Thank you very much for talking with us. 1068 01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,947 What is your assessment? 1069 01:10:35,796 --> 01:10:38,668 - Taking Ukraine may come easy to the overwhelming Russian... 1070 01:10:38,712 --> 01:10:40,279 - Like just come out of an intelligence 1071 01:10:40,322 --> 01:10:41,889 with a Western official. 1072 01:10:41,932 --> 01:10:44,457 Ukraine is in a battle for its life right now. 1073 01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:46,023 - Ukraine's capital city of Kyiv 1074 01:10:46,067 --> 01:10:47,329 might soon fall to Russian forces. 1075 01:10:47,373 --> 01:10:50,332 - Russia's actions are outrageous. 1076 01:10:50,376 --> 01:10:53,640 Every hour of inaction now is a threat to the lives 1077 01:10:53,683 --> 01:10:55,119 of Ukrainians. 1078 01:10:55,163 --> 01:10:58,427 Ukraine loses the war, there will be no Ukraine. 1079 01:10:58,471 --> 01:11:01,300 And when stakes are so high for us, 1080 01:11:01,343 --> 01:11:03,258 of course we will keep fighting. 1081 01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,477 Whatever it takes. 1082 01:11:07,784 --> 01:11:09,917 - The people are mobilizing. 1083 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,353 - People signing up to fight. 1084 01:11:11,397 --> 01:11:13,355 People bringing in supplies, 1085 01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:15,357 anything they think that will help 1086 01:11:15,401 --> 01:11:17,054 the Ukrainian war effort. 1087 01:11:17,098 --> 01:11:19,405 - We never seek to leave. 1088 01:11:19,448 --> 01:11:20,667 This our homes. 1089 01:11:20,710 --> 01:11:23,800 We defend our children, family, 1090 01:11:23,844 --> 01:11:26,716 our buildings, our city, and our future, 1091 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,891 future of Ukraine. 1092 01:11:29,415 --> 01:11:30,807 - Can Ukraine outright win this war? 1093 01:11:30,851 --> 01:11:32,331 - Ukrainian resistance 1094 01:11:32,374 --> 01:11:36,117 is having a huge battlefield impact. 1095 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,075 - There's a recording between Ukrainian 1096 01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:39,816 and Russian forces. 1097 01:11:43,603 --> 01:11:45,431 - Snake Island, and appears to have been 1098 01:11:45,474 --> 01:11:47,868 attacked by a Russian warship. 1099 01:11:54,527 --> 01:11:56,050 - The man behind those words 1100 01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:58,226 was awarded a medal for his bravery. 1101 01:11:58,269 --> 01:12:00,315 - Now we've seen impressive gains 1102 01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,057 by the Ukrainian army. 1103 01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,494 - Russia's flagship vessel, the "Moskva." 1104 01:12:05,538 --> 01:12:08,454 - Ukraine says it hit the ship with cruise missiles 1105 01:12:08,497 --> 01:12:09,846 launched from the coast. 1106 01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:11,413 - President Volodymyr Zelensky 1107 01:12:11,457 --> 01:12:13,372 visited at extreme risk. 1108 01:12:13,415 --> 01:12:15,461 - Tonight a stunning breakthrough. 1109 01:12:15,504 --> 01:12:18,028 - How are the Ukrainians pulling this off? 1110 01:12:33,174 --> 01:12:34,828 - Nobody believed in us. 1111 01:12:39,354 --> 01:12:42,096 - "Oh, they're going-- you know, they will fail." 1112 01:12:42,139 --> 01:12:46,230 And now the whole world is basically watching. 1113 01:12:47,231 --> 01:12:51,279 - This moment in Ukraine to represent a human phenomenon. 1114 01:13:00,419 --> 01:13:01,855 Like, everyone who I was calling 1115 01:13:01,898 --> 01:13:03,639 was doing something for the army. 1116 01:13:03,683 --> 01:13:05,336 It was such a huge network of volunteers. 1117 01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:08,818 - Ukraine is extremely united right now 1118 01:13:08,862 --> 01:13:11,430 for so many of us. 1119 01:13:11,473 --> 01:13:14,476 And it gives us strength, 1120 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,957 and that's why we are not-- we are not afraid, 1121 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,134 because we realize that they have to kill all of us. 1122 01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:27,097 - In Ukraine it's not difficult 1123 01:13:27,141 --> 01:13:31,362 to find a great diversity in political opinion. 1124 01:13:31,406 --> 01:13:33,495 Just as in the U.S. one can find 1125 01:13:33,539 --> 01:13:36,498 every impassioned nationalist idea, 1126 01:13:36,542 --> 01:13:40,110 every impassioned humanist idea. 1127 01:13:40,154 --> 01:13:43,940 And yet they've someone found a complete recognition 1128 01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:47,291 in the interdependence that allows for independence. 1129 01:13:49,076 --> 01:13:51,557 It's tangible. 1130 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,081 - President Zelensky called on the United States 1131 01:13:54,124 --> 01:13:55,474 to send more weapons. 1132 01:13:55,517 --> 01:13:58,085 - They asked for heavier weapons faster. 1133 01:13:58,128 --> 01:14:02,481 - The Pentagon has rejected a surprise offer from Poland 1134 01:14:02,524 --> 01:14:05,440 to fly all of its MiGs to a U.S. airbase in Germany. 1135 01:14:05,484 --> 01:14:08,965 - Saying it risks setting off a wider war with Russia. 1136 01:14:09,009 --> 01:14:12,882 - We continue. We continue fighting. 1137 01:14:12,926 --> 01:14:14,405 We just need support. 1138 01:14:14,449 --> 01:14:19,106 I--I need to say to you, because you're our friends, 1139 01:14:19,149 --> 01:14:21,282 that we still waiting. 1140 01:14:21,325 --> 01:14:23,458 We still talking every day 1141 01:14:23,502 --> 01:14:25,852 with international war leaders. 1142 01:14:25,895 --> 01:14:29,464 We need some help by the weapons. 1143 01:14:29,508 --> 01:14:33,468 We still, for example, waiting this jet 1144 01:14:33,512 --> 01:14:35,644 from Poland. - Right. 1145 01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:37,124 - Thank you, Sean. Thank you. 1146 01:14:37,167 --> 01:14:40,040 Thank you very much, my friend. 1147 01:14:40,083 --> 01:14:42,390 - The people and government of Poland 1148 01:14:42,433 --> 01:14:44,392 had opened their hearts and borders 1149 01:14:44,435 --> 01:14:46,916 to some 8 million Ukrainian refugees 1150 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,570 but found challenges when seeking 1151 01:14:48,614 --> 01:14:50,224 to provide fighter jets. 1152 01:14:50,267 --> 01:14:53,575 What did happen with the MiG proposal? 1153 01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:56,143 - We don't want to act unilaterally. 1154 01:14:56,186 --> 01:14:59,189 Such weapons like the jet fighters, 1155 01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,714 it would require the NATO, 1156 01:15:01,757 --> 01:15:05,587 and our collective decision was not to go 1157 01:15:05,631 --> 01:15:10,766 farther with our action of delivering the MiGs. 1158 01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:15,815 - Some countries make the point that Ukraine 1159 01:15:15,858 --> 01:15:18,557 should only be provided with defensive weapons 1160 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,561 and we should not receive any offensive weapons. 1161 01:15:22,604 --> 01:15:26,173 The real point is that any weapon 1162 01:15:26,216 --> 01:15:29,045 that is being used by Ukrainian army 1163 01:15:29,089 --> 01:15:32,745 in the territory of Ukraine is defensive by definition. 1164 01:15:32,788 --> 01:15:35,269 Because we are not using it to attack anyone. 1165 01:15:35,312 --> 01:15:37,663 We are using it to defend ourselves. 1166 01:15:37,706 --> 01:15:43,451 We don't have the feeling that neither Poland 1167 01:15:43,494 --> 01:15:45,627 or the United States are not willing 1168 01:15:45,671 --> 01:15:48,108 to do something for Ukraine. 1169 01:15:48,151 --> 01:15:51,981 But they do have differences in understanding 1170 01:15:52,025 --> 01:15:53,940 who will assume the responsibility 1171 01:15:53,983 --> 01:15:55,506 for making the decision. 1172 01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:59,859 Use the bloody weapons necessary to win. 1173 01:15:59,902 --> 01:16:01,991 - Ukraine needs weapon supplies. 1174 01:16:02,035 --> 01:16:05,995 We need heavy artillery, armed vehicles, 1175 01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:09,564 air defense systems, and combat aircraft, 1176 01:16:09,608 --> 01:16:12,001 anything to repel Russian forces 1177 01:16:12,045 --> 01:16:13,786 and stop their war crimes. 1178 01:16:13,829 --> 01:16:17,441 Arm Ukraine now to defend freedom. 1179 01:16:17,485 --> 01:16:20,183 - It's an apocalyptic vision. 1180 01:16:20,227 --> 01:16:23,186 - How much more can the civilians withstand? 1181 01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:26,537 - Accounts of Russian abuses are widespread. 1182 01:16:26,581 --> 01:16:30,019 - We saw undeniable evidence of atrocities. 1183 01:16:30,063 --> 01:16:32,369 - New fallout and outrage 1184 01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:36,373 sparking more calls for a war crimes investigation. 1185 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:37,853 - I don't want to live in a world 1186 01:16:37,897 --> 01:16:41,117 where a gangster with nukes gets to dictate 1187 01:16:41,161 --> 01:16:42,379 what we have to live under. 1188 01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:43,685 I just don't want to live in that world. 1189 01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:44,773 And the Ukrainians won't live in that world. 1190 01:16:53,347 --> 01:16:54,696 It's a real war. - Mm-hmm. 1191 01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:56,872 - It's in real life. 1192 01:16:56,916 --> 01:16:58,526 - We all thought that Kyiv was going to fall 1193 01:16:58,569 --> 01:17:00,789 in two days, and now here we are. 1194 01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:04,706 - Russia is aware that it's not winning this war. 1195 01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:07,753 - The new narrative is being born right now 1196 01:17:07,796 --> 01:17:09,798 about Ukraine, 1197 01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:11,713 this narrative about very strong, 1198 01:17:11,757 --> 01:17:15,064 brave, courageous country. 1199 01:17:15,108 --> 01:17:17,458 - The recipe of victory 1200 01:17:17,501 --> 01:17:19,808 is Ukrainian stamina 1201 01:17:19,852 --> 01:17:23,682 and Western sanctions and weapons. 1202 01:17:23,725 --> 01:17:28,121 These are the three elements that will make us prevail. 1203 01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:38,131 - The Russians, they have been bloodied. 1204 01:17:38,174 --> 01:17:39,872 - The Russians are taking a tremendous number 1205 01:17:39,915 --> 01:17:41,612 of casualties, 1206 01:17:41,656 --> 01:17:44,485 probably taken 70,000 or 80,000 casualties. 1207 01:17:44,528 --> 01:17:45,878 - I hate to say this. 1208 01:17:45,921 --> 01:17:47,357 You know, these Russian soldiers, 1209 01:17:47,401 --> 01:17:50,012 17, 18, 19 years old, right? 1210 01:17:50,056 --> 01:17:51,971 They're just cannon fodder. 1211 01:17:52,014 --> 01:17:55,583 And they're getting blown to bits by the Ukrainians. 1212 01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,499 You've got refrigerator trucks 1213 01:17:58,542 --> 01:18:01,589 and refrigerator train wagons 1214 01:18:01,632 --> 01:18:04,766 full of dead Russian soldiers, 1215 01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:07,508 because Putin does not want society to see this. 1216 01:18:09,902 --> 01:18:13,209 - Make no mistake, while I believe they're winning, 1217 01:18:13,253 --> 01:18:15,342 the longer that this war goes on, 1218 01:18:15,385 --> 01:18:17,257 the more likely it is 1219 01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:20,347 that it will start to fray and fracture. 1220 01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:23,567 So Mr. Zelensky needs to have an outright win here 1221 01:18:23,611 --> 01:18:24,917 pretty soon. 1222 01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:35,884 - I'm glad to see you, Mr. President. 1223 01:18:35,928 --> 01:18:37,016 How are you holding up? 1224 01:19:14,705 --> 01:19:16,359 - Thank you. - Thank you, Sean. 1225 01:19:16,403 --> 01:19:18,318 All the best. 1226 01:19:18,361 --> 01:19:20,755 - He looks like he's been awake since we saw him. 1227 01:19:25,716 --> 01:19:28,110 - Because the Ukrainians have performed so well, 1228 01:19:28,154 --> 01:19:31,026 because the democratic world has consolidated 1229 01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:32,723 with regard to sanctions 1230 01:19:32,767 --> 01:19:34,464 and supporting Ukraine with weapons, 1231 01:19:34,508 --> 01:19:37,511 it is not going to escalate towards a conventional war 1232 01:19:37,554 --> 01:19:39,730 with NATO 1233 01:19:39,774 --> 01:19:42,559 because we provided the Ukrainians with planes. 1234 01:19:42,603 --> 01:19:44,561 Since before this war, I've been talking 1235 01:19:44,605 --> 01:19:46,999 about giving the Ukrainians weapons to deter Russia. 1236 01:19:47,042 --> 01:19:49,218 We should be able to peer around the corner 1237 01:19:49,262 --> 01:19:51,394 and see how this war is going to unfold, 1238 01:19:51,438 --> 01:19:52,961 the fact that we're going to have to step in 1239 01:19:53,005 --> 01:19:54,354 and provide more. 1240 01:19:54,397 --> 01:19:55,616 But we're going to do it too late, 1241 01:19:55,659 --> 01:19:56,530 and we're going to miss opportunities 1242 01:19:56,573 --> 01:19:57,879 to make this a short war. 1243 01:19:57,923 --> 01:19:59,054 We're going to miss opportunities 1244 01:19:59,098 --> 01:20:02,188 to reduce the human toll for Ukraine. 1245 01:20:02,231 --> 01:20:03,580 We're going to miss opportunities 1246 01:20:03,624 --> 01:20:04,668 to really decrease the risk for the U.S. 1247 01:20:04,712 --> 01:20:07,715 with a long-war scenario. 1248 01:20:17,943 --> 01:20:19,466 - One part of the war that we've gotten 1249 01:20:19,509 --> 01:20:21,424 very little insight into is the battle for the sky. 1250 01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,644 - This rumor of the Ghost of Kyiv. 1251 01:20:23,687 --> 01:20:24,993 - The Ghost of Kyiv. 1252 01:20:25,037 --> 01:20:26,734 - The Ghost of Kyiv, they call it. 1253 01:20:27,517 --> 01:20:28,910 - The Russian Air Force has not been able 1254 01:20:28,954 --> 01:20:30,738 to get air supremacy. 1255 01:20:30,781 --> 01:20:32,914 Can you just talk a little bit about why that is? 1256 01:20:32,958 --> 01:20:36,265 - Because they have a fear of our air defense. 1257 01:20:36,309 --> 01:20:40,879 But we need effective tools to do this efficiently. 1258 01:21:18,177 --> 01:21:19,918 - How do the Russians get stopped? 1259 01:21:34,323 --> 01:21:37,500 - The conflict will be going on for some time, 1260 01:21:37,544 --> 01:21:39,938 and we need the weapons flowing, 1261 01:21:39,981 --> 01:21:42,288 and without U.S. assistance, 1262 01:21:42,331 --> 01:21:44,986 that would be close to not possible. 1263 01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:46,596 We need new fighter jets. 1264 01:22:04,005 --> 01:22:06,660 - That's much more exciting for him than it is for you. 1265 01:22:06,703 --> 01:22:08,183 - Yeah. 1266 01:22:32,294 --> 01:22:35,602 - We just watched your movie. 1267 01:22:35,645 --> 01:22:40,737 The next "Top Gun" movie should be made in Ukraine. 1268 01:22:40,781 --> 01:22:42,435 - You know, you put the world on notice 1269 01:22:42,478 --> 01:22:44,045 that Ukraine, you know, 1270 01:22:44,089 --> 01:22:46,787 isn't fucking laying down for anything. 1271 01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:48,876 It's a real honor to talk to you guys. 1272 01:22:48,919 --> 01:22:50,399 - Thank you for support. 1273 01:22:52,836 --> 01:22:55,013 - As this war went on, 1274 01:22:55,056 --> 01:22:57,102 it got more and more difficult 1275 01:22:57,145 --> 01:22:59,408 to keep attention and interest in it. 1276 01:22:59,452 --> 01:23:01,541 - Other stories we're following for you... 1277 01:23:01,584 --> 01:23:04,413 - Will Smith clashed with comedian Chris Rock. 1278 01:23:04,457 --> 01:23:06,024 - There's a time limit. 1279 01:23:06,067 --> 01:23:07,329 - The world watched Johnny Depp's... 1280 01:23:07,373 --> 01:23:08,722 - And there's an energy limit 1281 01:23:08,765 --> 01:23:11,116 to what people can put on the horrors 1282 01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:13,770 of something taking place far away. 1283 01:23:15,816 --> 01:23:17,470 For Sean, it was very important 1284 01:23:17,513 --> 01:23:19,559 to get back to Ukraine... 1285 01:23:23,302 --> 01:23:25,826 Get back to see what's going on 1286 01:23:25,869 --> 01:23:30,309 and experience what it was like now in June. 1287 01:23:30,352 --> 01:23:32,702 And we knew the important thing was getting Sean 1288 01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:33,964 and Zelensky back together. 1289 01:23:38,447 --> 01:23:41,015 - Ukraine's president is accusing Russia now 1290 01:23:41,059 --> 01:23:43,104 of bombing a crowded shopping mall 1291 01:23:43,148 --> 01:23:44,018 in the eastern part of the country. 1292 01:23:46,716 --> 01:23:50,459 - The capital, Kyiv, once again in the crosshairs. 1293 01:23:50,503 --> 01:23:52,635 - This morning, the most serious attack 1294 01:23:52,679 --> 01:23:55,769 on Kyiv in weeks, two apartment blocks struck. 1295 01:23:55,812 --> 01:23:58,206 - In residential buildings hit by rockets, 1296 01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:02,123 the number of civilian casualties is rising. 1297 01:24:02,167 --> 01:24:04,038 - Is this it? 1298 01:24:04,082 --> 01:24:06,258 - Yeah, this is-- this is it. 1299 01:24:22,665 --> 01:24:26,191 Who's coming? 1300 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,897 Wow. 1301 01:24:52,956 --> 01:24:54,088 This was the living room. 1302 01:24:54,132 --> 01:24:58,092 That was a bedroom and restroom. 1303 01:24:58,136 --> 01:25:00,181 - Yeah, this is not structurally sound anymore, 1304 01:25:00,225 --> 01:25:03,445 is it? - No. 1305 01:25:03,489 --> 01:25:05,012 - So what are you doing now? 1306 01:25:05,055 --> 01:25:08,189 Just hearing out the things that can be salvaged? 1307 01:25:08,233 --> 01:25:09,712 - Yeah, so actually, I asked the military guys 1308 01:25:09,756 --> 01:25:11,018 to help me out. 1309 01:25:11,061 --> 01:25:12,715 They came here. They clear everything. 1310 01:25:12,759 --> 01:25:16,066 They try to make sure that we actually can take anything. 1311 01:25:16,110 --> 01:25:18,939 I tried to find, like, really sensitive stuff, 1312 01:25:18,982 --> 01:25:21,028 like maybe pictures or, like, some other stuff. 1313 01:25:21,071 --> 01:25:22,334 Yeah, that's it. 1314 01:25:22,377 --> 01:25:23,900 Like, I just wanted to find something. 1315 01:25:23,944 --> 01:25:26,294 - What can we help you carry? - Nothing. 1316 01:25:26,338 --> 01:25:27,339 It's done. - It's done. Okay. 1317 01:25:27,382 --> 01:25:28,557 - It's done. 1318 01:25:28,601 --> 01:25:29,863 We took everything that we could. 1319 01:25:29,906 --> 01:25:32,257 That's it. 1320 01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:34,215 Welcome to my home. 1321 01:26:17,171 --> 01:26:18,868 - Because you can? 1322 01:26:18,912 --> 01:26:21,262 - Because I can. 1323 01:26:21,306 --> 01:26:23,221 - Thank you. 1324 01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:33,405 - And here too. 1325 01:27:10,485 --> 01:27:12,226 - I'm a little bit late. 1326 01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:14,141 Maybe not little. Sorry. I'm so sorry. 1327 01:27:14,184 --> 01:27:15,882 - No, you're fine. 1328 01:27:17,362 --> 01:27:21,757 Once the invasion began, 1329 01:27:21,801 --> 01:27:23,890 what was the first moment 1330 01:27:23,933 --> 01:27:27,459 that you were able to check in with your family? 1331 01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:30,288 - In the night, I think. 1332 01:27:30,331 --> 01:27:32,246 In the night. It was in the night. 1333 01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:34,074 And I had phone call. 1334 01:27:34,117 --> 01:27:37,469 My wife, I said, "Tell children, 1335 01:27:37,512 --> 01:27:40,167 "detailing everything. 1336 01:27:40,210 --> 01:27:43,518 What does it mean, the war with Russia?" 1337 01:27:43,562 --> 01:27:46,216 - The day of the invasion, when you walked in, 1338 01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:48,828 I saw a change in you. 1339 01:27:48,871 --> 01:27:53,528 There was an air of, you were born for this moment. 1340 01:27:53,572 --> 01:27:55,356 It was so clear 1341 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,403 that we were in a moment of... 1342 01:27:58,446 --> 01:28:01,536 extreme history. 1343 01:28:01,580 --> 01:28:04,800 - Everybody has to be-- 1344 01:28:04,844 --> 01:28:08,326 has to become older, older at this moment 1345 01:28:08,369 --> 01:28:11,677 to understand what to do and what we are doing, 1346 01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,855 because we need to live in the real life, 1347 01:28:15,898 --> 01:28:18,466 not in fairy tale. 1348 01:28:22,165 --> 01:28:24,298 - There it is. 1349 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:28,563 - So this is the direct impact crater? 1350 01:28:28,607 --> 01:28:29,521 - Yeah. 1351 01:28:40,532 --> 01:28:44,362 And he's like wise... 1352 01:28:44,405 --> 01:28:47,495 political man. 1353 01:28:47,539 --> 01:28:51,194 So even our children began because of the war. 1354 01:28:51,238 --> 01:28:53,675 They began to speak, like, you know, 1355 01:28:53,719 --> 01:28:56,286 to speak not like children. 1356 01:29:00,465 --> 01:29:06,079 He understand why I am not with him every day. 1357 01:29:06,122 --> 01:29:09,952 He said to me that, "I understand you, 1358 01:29:09,996 --> 01:29:13,173 "and I think that in the future, 1359 01:29:13,216 --> 01:29:16,350 maybe we can have something like it was before the war." 1360 01:29:16,394 --> 01:29:20,093 He understand that it will not be such way like it was. 1361 01:29:20,136 --> 01:29:25,881 Only now we know what country we have to build. 1362 01:29:25,925 --> 01:29:28,928 I made a lot of decisions. 1363 01:29:28,971 --> 01:29:31,844 For example... 1364 01:29:35,108 --> 01:29:38,851 And we'll see the result only after the war. 1365 01:29:38,894 --> 01:29:42,376 From this point, we can't come back 1366 01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:45,510 to the political, economical 1367 01:29:45,553 --> 01:29:47,294 securities strategy. 1368 01:29:47,337 --> 01:29:50,471 It couldn't be just democracy, 1369 01:29:50,515 --> 01:29:52,691 just liberal attitude to everything. 1370 01:29:52,734 --> 01:29:54,388 It couldn't be so. 1371 01:29:56,869 --> 01:30:02,352 But we should know that soldiers with weapon 1372 01:30:02,396 --> 01:30:05,181 will be in the streets. 1373 01:30:05,225 --> 01:30:08,663 You know, how can everywhere be people with guns? 1374 01:30:08,707 --> 01:30:11,361 Why you are looking what is in my bag 1375 01:30:11,405 --> 01:30:13,494 when I'm entering shops? 1376 01:30:13,538 --> 01:30:15,278 Now we should do it. 1377 01:30:15,322 --> 01:30:18,194 It's a pity. 1378 01:30:18,238 --> 01:30:21,328 It's not about Ukraine. 1379 01:30:21,371 --> 01:30:22,764 That is the result of all the wars. 1380 01:30:35,734 --> 01:30:39,128 - Yeah, this kind of stuff is still shockingly stupid, 1381 01:30:39,172 --> 01:30:43,742 and the idea that one evil little man 1382 01:30:43,785 --> 01:30:47,528 could be so generating the force behind it, 1383 01:30:47,572 --> 01:30:50,313 it's just unimaginable 1384 01:30:50,357 --> 01:30:53,403 and has to change somehow for-- 1385 01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:54,927 I think about it for my kids, 1386 01:30:54,970 --> 01:30:56,406 because everything that happens here 1387 01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:57,799 is going to affect 1388 01:30:57,843 --> 01:30:59,497 every other place in the world today. 1389 01:30:59,540 --> 01:31:00,846 And I think that's the reason that we're all 1390 01:31:00,889 --> 01:31:02,195 so invested in this, 1391 01:31:02,238 --> 01:31:04,632 and because Ukraine is representing 1392 01:31:04,676 --> 01:31:07,374 the greatest aspirations that we all share. 1393 01:31:09,942 --> 01:31:11,944 - They will not stop... 1394 01:31:11,987 --> 01:31:13,554 never. 1395 01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:15,991 A lot of people die. 1396 01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:17,515 And... 1397 01:31:17,558 --> 01:31:20,518 so--so it's tragedy, 1398 01:31:20,561 --> 01:31:25,261 but I understood that this tragedy result of the war. 1399 01:31:25,305 --> 01:31:26,393 I understood it. 1400 01:31:26,436 --> 01:31:28,961 They will destroy everything. 1401 01:31:29,004 --> 01:31:32,573 People want to forget what's going on in the East. 1402 01:31:32,617 --> 01:31:36,664 Believe me, now they destroyed everything on the East. 1403 01:31:41,016 --> 01:31:42,670 We need to go and talk 1404 01:31:42,714 --> 01:31:45,891 to the soldiers who are fighting the fight 1405 01:31:45,934 --> 01:31:47,893 and spend some time on the front line. 1406 01:31:47,936 --> 01:31:50,504 - Yes, it's possible. We could help. 1407 01:31:50,548 --> 01:31:52,550 We're very interested to show the world 1408 01:31:52,593 --> 01:31:54,508 what's going on here. 1409 01:31:54,552 --> 01:31:55,901 We are fighting. 1410 01:31:55,944 --> 01:31:57,206 We destroyed a lot of Russian troops, 1411 01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:59,469 and they destroyed us. 1412 01:31:59,513 --> 01:32:01,428 That is the war between two. 1413 01:32:01,471 --> 01:32:03,735 They are not waiting, and we are fighting. 1414 01:32:03,778 --> 01:32:05,301 They will dig in. 1415 01:32:05,345 --> 01:32:06,868 So that is the problem. 1416 01:32:06,912 --> 01:32:09,654 We should press on them. 1417 01:32:09,697 --> 01:32:11,612 That's very difficult with such, 1418 01:32:11,656 --> 01:32:14,441 I think, slowly way 1419 01:32:14,484 --> 01:32:17,183 of getting weapons. 1420 01:32:17,226 --> 01:32:20,621 With such speed... 1421 01:32:20,665 --> 01:32:23,363 you can't move forward. 1422 01:32:29,456 --> 01:32:31,850 - Ukraine is intent on pushing Russian troops 1423 01:32:31,893 --> 01:32:33,634 back to their border with the help 1424 01:32:33,678 --> 01:32:36,028 of advanced long-range missile systems 1425 01:32:36,071 --> 01:32:38,552 en route from the United States. 1426 01:32:38,596 --> 01:32:40,772 - The U.S. is sending artillery rocket systems 1427 01:32:40,815 --> 01:32:42,687 known as HIMARS. 1428 01:32:42,730 --> 01:32:45,777 - The weaponry includes the M142 1429 01:32:45,820 --> 01:32:48,606 high-mobility artillery rocket system. 1430 01:33:20,507 --> 01:33:22,596 - Once you fire from a position, 1431 01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,816 does that immediately mean you're gonna move positions? 1432 01:34:01,896 --> 01:34:05,900 I think that because of our proximity now 1433 01:34:05,944 --> 01:34:09,512 to active combat, that's where our sights should be set. 1434 01:34:34,929 --> 01:34:36,539 - Let's put that in this truck. 1435 01:34:36,583 --> 01:34:38,454 - Yeah, we're gonna do this. 1436 01:34:38,498 --> 01:34:39,847 - Let's do that. - Okay. 1437 01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:47,986 Okay. 1438 01:34:54,644 --> 01:34:56,385 - Up. 1439 01:34:56,429 --> 01:34:58,736 - Okay. 1440 01:35:01,086 --> 01:35:04,611 So that means we're getting close. 1441 01:35:16,449 --> 01:35:19,713 During last ten days... 1442 01:35:23,848 --> 01:35:25,327 During last ten days. 1443 01:35:25,371 --> 01:35:28,548 Because shells are going without stopping. 1444 01:35:28,591 --> 01:35:31,377 No stop, shelling without stopping, 1445 01:35:31,420 --> 01:35:33,814 any stopping, different kinds. 1446 01:35:33,858 --> 01:35:37,905 And it's, you know... 1447 01:35:37,949 --> 01:35:40,168 that is what we have. 1448 01:35:40,212 --> 01:35:42,170 - Russia is intensifying its assault 1449 01:35:42,214 --> 01:35:44,172 in the east of Ukraine. 1450 01:35:44,216 --> 01:35:47,001 - And the Ukrainians may have to decide do they, 1451 01:35:47,045 --> 01:35:49,003 as it were, dig in in Severodonetsk, 1452 01:35:49,047 --> 01:35:50,918 or do they give up the city now 1453 01:35:50,962 --> 01:35:52,833 and leave while they can? 1454 01:37:28,102 --> 01:37:30,931 - Can you speak to what importance it was 1455 01:37:30,975 --> 01:37:33,064 to the solidary of this fight 1456 01:37:33,107 --> 01:37:35,675 that the president stayed in Kyiv? 1457 01:38:28,336 --> 01:38:31,861 - These Russians, they killed a lot of people. 1458 01:38:31,905 --> 01:38:33,951 And it was, for me, shock, 1459 01:38:33,994 --> 01:38:40,087 also for everybody, that they-- 1460 01:38:41,959 --> 01:38:43,090 - Raped, yeah. 1461 01:38:43,134 --> 01:38:44,918 When they began, when they raped 1462 01:38:44,962 --> 01:38:47,877 some women and some children, it was fuck-- 1463 01:38:47,921 --> 01:38:50,706 I can't find, you know, right words 1464 01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:52,230 and never find. 1465 01:38:52,273 --> 01:38:57,061 I will never find for this, because it was shock. 1466 01:38:57,104 --> 01:38:59,672 So many children, so many blood. 1467 01:39:03,806 --> 01:39:07,288 - Russia is bombing kindergarten schools, 1468 01:39:07,332 --> 01:39:09,769 maternity hospitals. 1469 01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:17,907 - They are crimes. They're not really soldiers. 1470 01:39:17,951 --> 01:39:20,127 They did crime 1471 01:39:20,171 --> 01:39:22,738 against the humanitarian... 1472 01:39:22,782 --> 01:39:25,828 - Right. - Values. 1473 01:39:25,872 --> 01:39:28,309 - Latvian MPs have declared Russia 1474 01:39:28,353 --> 01:39:30,398 a state sponsor of terrorism, 1475 01:39:30,442 --> 01:39:32,096 saying its invasion of Ukraine 1476 01:39:32,139 --> 01:39:34,054 amounted to genocide. 1477 01:39:34,098 --> 01:39:35,751 - Ukrainian officials saying 1478 01:39:35,795 --> 01:39:39,059 there are 1,000 new war crimes investigations 1479 01:39:39,103 --> 01:39:43,368 now underway in just one newly liberated city. 1480 01:39:43,411 --> 01:39:45,718 - For those who've lived under occupation, 1481 01:39:45,761 --> 01:39:48,068 it's been hell. 1482 01:39:48,112 --> 01:39:49,983 - There is very serious erosion 1483 01:39:50,027 --> 01:39:52,377 of moral values in Russia, 1484 01:39:52,420 --> 01:39:54,031 which is dangerous for the whole world. 1485 01:40:34,506 --> 01:40:38,205 - History will remember and talk about Zelensky. 1486 01:40:38,249 --> 01:40:40,338 He went beyond the expectations, 1487 01:40:40,381 --> 01:40:45,082 went beyond what anybody could have imagined he would do. 1488 01:40:45,125 --> 01:40:49,042 But Russia's not going anywhere. 1489 01:40:49,086 --> 01:40:51,610 This toxic environment 1490 01:40:51,653 --> 01:40:56,310 doesn't go away for many, many years. 1491 01:40:56,354 --> 01:40:58,747 - What are the challenges in the short term? 1492 01:40:58,791 --> 01:41:00,836 - To fly, you need two wings. 1493 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,144 Don't give me one wing and waiting, 1494 01:41:04,188 --> 01:41:05,711 when you will fly? 1495 01:41:05,754 --> 01:41:07,800 I will never fly with one wing. 1496 01:41:07,843 --> 01:41:11,630 I need two, and if you want me to fly now, 1497 01:41:11,673 --> 01:41:13,849 I need two now. 1498 01:41:13,893 --> 01:41:20,073 So we should win now, jointly, with all the world now. 1499 01:41:23,511 --> 01:41:26,253 - It's already economic warfare, 1500 01:41:26,297 --> 01:41:29,474 sanctions, energy warfare. 1501 01:41:29,517 --> 01:41:33,347 It's refugee flows destabilizing countries. 1502 01:41:36,307 --> 01:41:39,310 What happens if Russia starts to fracture, 1503 01:41:39,353 --> 01:41:40,615 Chechens start to break off... 1504 01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,276 It's a recipe for the Chinas of the world 1505 01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,452 to make territorial grabs, 1506 01:41:51,496 --> 01:41:55,413 for the Irans of the world to make territorial grabs. 1507 01:41:55,456 --> 01:41:57,328 - If you want to keep China out of Taiwan, 1508 01:41:57,371 --> 01:41:59,025 keep Ukraine in the fight. 1509 01:41:59,068 --> 01:42:00,331 Push Russia out, 1510 01:42:00,374 --> 01:42:01,854 and keep that fight from coming to us, 1511 01:42:01,897 --> 01:42:04,161 'cause if Ukraine loses, we lose. 1512 01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:08,339 If Ukraine fails, it's not just a failure for democracy. 1513 01:42:08,382 --> 01:42:11,080 It's a failure for the global economy, 1514 01:42:11,124 --> 01:42:13,735 because we're seeing how dependent we all are 1515 01:42:13,779 --> 01:42:15,781 not just on oil and gas, 1516 01:42:15,824 --> 01:42:19,219 but also, global supply chains are affected. 1517 01:42:19,263 --> 01:42:22,048 So their fight is our fight, 1518 01:42:22,091 --> 01:42:24,093 and the tip of the spear right now 1519 01:42:24,137 --> 01:42:25,791 is the fight in Ukraine. 1520 01:42:25,834 --> 01:42:28,489 - And if these people 1521 01:42:28,533 --> 01:42:31,492 are ready to kill children, 1522 01:42:31,536 --> 01:42:34,452 are ready to kill civilians, 1523 01:42:34,495 --> 01:42:37,063 why will they stop? 1524 01:42:37,106 --> 01:42:38,238 For what? 1525 01:42:38,282 --> 01:42:42,503 - If Ukraine not stop the Russia 1526 01:42:42,547 --> 01:42:44,853 and not win, 1527 01:42:44,897 --> 01:42:49,031 they not a reason to stopping in the future. 1528 01:42:49,075 --> 01:42:51,251 Next will be Moldova. 1529 01:42:51,295 --> 01:42:54,254 Next will be Lithuania, Poland. 1530 01:42:54,298 --> 01:42:59,172 It means that it will be war against NATO. 1531 01:42:59,216 --> 01:43:02,001 And it means that, once again, 1532 01:43:02,044 --> 01:43:04,612 American soldiers 1533 01:43:04,656 --> 01:43:08,225 will be sent for the new war in Europe. 1534 01:43:34,207 --> 01:43:39,212 I went many cities, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston 1535 01:43:39,256 --> 01:43:42,476 what I could with those money I had, 1536 01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:43,956 not a lot of money, 1537 01:43:43,999 --> 01:43:46,872 to understand, what does it mean, democracy? 1538 01:43:46,915 --> 01:43:48,830 What does it mean, feeling-- this feeling... 1539 01:43:50,397 --> 01:43:52,356 I loved to run. 1540 01:43:52,399 --> 01:43:53,574 Especially in the morning, 1541 01:43:53,618 --> 01:43:55,707 you could understand where you live. 1542 01:43:55,750 --> 01:44:02,322 I wanted very much to go to the country 1543 01:44:02,366 --> 01:44:07,501 where freedom-- to find this feeling. 1544 01:44:07,545 --> 01:44:11,070 Ukrainians so long time 1545 01:44:11,113 --> 01:44:15,683 wanted to be free. - Hmm. 1546 01:44:15,727 --> 01:44:19,470 - And Ukrainians didn't understand--me also. 1547 01:44:19,513 --> 01:44:22,821 We didn't understand that we have to pay for that. 1548 01:44:27,129 --> 01:44:32,396 And we didn't understand the high price of it. 1549 01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:36,704 This understanding of freedom came with a war, 1550 01:44:36,748 --> 01:44:41,013 with the fighting for this freedom. 1551 01:44:41,056 --> 01:44:44,712 For Americans to understand what's going on here 1552 01:44:44,756 --> 01:44:47,280 and to understand the price, 1553 01:44:47,324 --> 01:44:51,589 they can feel it only if they will be on the war, 1554 01:44:51,632 --> 01:44:54,722 and I don't want them to fight in the war. 1555 01:44:54,766 --> 01:44:58,683 They had already--had already many different wars, 1556 01:44:58,726 --> 01:45:01,381 many different dead guys and soldiers 1557 01:45:01,425 --> 01:45:03,296 on different wars. 1558 01:45:03,340 --> 01:45:05,907 If we will not win now, 1559 01:45:05,951 --> 01:45:08,345 Americans will fight 1560 01:45:08,388 --> 01:45:11,348 in some years with this enemy. 1561 01:45:12,610 --> 01:45:17,136 Can tyranny win or not? 1562 01:45:17,179 --> 01:45:20,574 What will be the end of this war? 1563 01:45:20,618 --> 01:45:26,406 If I fight, I should win, 1564 01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:29,714 because if you are not ready to win, 1565 01:45:29,757 --> 01:45:31,237 don't fight. 1566 01:45:44,903 --> 01:45:47,340 - One year ago, we interviewed you, 1567 01:45:47,384 --> 01:45:48,385 and you said what? 1568 01:46:00,527 --> 01:46:02,964 And... yeah, yeah. 1569 01:46:16,674 --> 01:46:19,720 - I hope, I really hope 1570 01:46:19,764 --> 01:46:25,030 that when he's an old man and I'm an even older one 1571 01:46:25,073 --> 01:46:26,684 that I might be sitting with him 1572 01:46:26,727 --> 01:46:30,601 in a peaceful and prosperous free Kyiv 1573 01:46:30,644 --> 01:46:32,994 laughing like a couple of kids 1574 01:46:33,038 --> 01:46:37,477 at what William Saroyan called "the infinite delight 1575 01:46:37,521 --> 01:46:42,395 and mystery of life." 1576 01:46:48,662 --> 01:46:53,406 You have a job as a head of state to lead... 1577 01:46:55,713 --> 01:47:01,370 To inspire, to communicate, 1578 01:47:01,414 --> 01:47:03,851 to sacrifice... 1579 01:47:05,810 --> 01:47:07,812 It's been said that leadership's 1580 01:47:07,855 --> 01:47:11,555 first responsibility is to define reality 1581 01:47:11,598 --> 01:47:15,820 in courage in the face of unspeakable terror. 1582 01:47:18,344 --> 01:47:20,868 Volodymyr Zelensky has done that. 1583 01:47:24,263 --> 01:47:29,311 And he's done it despite a next-level problem set. 1584 01:47:29,355 --> 01:47:32,271 He'd done it for his country. 1585 01:47:32,314 --> 01:47:34,926 He'd done it for his children. 1586 01:47:34,969 --> 01:47:38,364 And he'd done it for ours. 1587 01:47:38,407 --> 01:47:44,022 Going to Ukraine, I got filled with this feeling of unity. 1588 01:47:44,065 --> 01:47:46,503 That's not because I'm closing my eyes 1589 01:47:46,546 --> 01:47:50,115 to what the cost of it is right now. 1590 01:47:50,158 --> 01:47:52,204 It was about how they were paying it 1591 01:47:52,247 --> 01:47:55,381 in common cause. 1592 01:47:55,424 --> 01:47:59,559 The weapons and ammunition are not being supplied quickly 1593 01:47:59,603 --> 01:48:03,041 or completely, yet Ukrainians battle on 1594 01:48:03,084 --> 01:48:06,435 with otherworldly courage in a freedom war 1595 01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:11,353 for sovereignty and the right to dream. 1596 01:48:11,397 --> 01:48:14,313 And we in the United States, 1597 01:48:14,356 --> 01:48:17,055 if we don't find common cause, 1598 01:48:17,098 --> 01:48:20,580 then we're only going backwards. 1599 01:48:20,624 --> 01:48:21,929 And we're gonna kill each other. 1600 01:51:49,963 --> 01:51:56,753 - Free in the knowledge 1601 01:51:56,796 --> 01:52:03,063 That one day this will end 1602 01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:09,766 Free in the knowledge 1603 01:52:09,809 --> 01:52:15,815 That everything is change 1604 01:52:15,859 --> 01:52:19,427 And this 1605 01:52:19,471 --> 01:52:25,477 Was just a bad moment 1606 01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:32,484 We were fumbling around 1607 01:52:32,527 --> 01:52:39,099 But we won't get caught like that 1608 01:52:39,143 --> 01:52:45,845 Soldiers on our backs 1609 01:52:45,889 --> 01:52:50,850 We won't get caught like that 1610 01:52:53,897 --> 01:53:00,468 A face using fear 1611 01:53:00,512 --> 01:53:04,864 To try to keep control 1612 01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:13,873 When we get together 1613 01:53:13,917 --> 01:53:20,053 Well then who knows 1614 01:53:20,097 --> 01:53:23,404 If this 1615 01:53:23,448 --> 01:53:29,106 Is just a bad moment 1616 01:53:29,149 --> 01:53:34,198 And we are fumbling around 1617 01:53:36,417 --> 01:53:42,946 But we won't get caught like that 1618 01:53:42,989 --> 01:53:49,561 Soldiers on our backs 1619 01:53:49,604 --> 01:53:54,566 We won't get caught like that 1620 01:53:58,831 --> 01:54:04,881 I talk to the face in the mirror 1621 01:54:04,924 --> 01:54:11,626 But he can't get through 1622 01:54:11,670 --> 01:54:17,719 I said, "It's time that you deliver 1623 01:54:17,763 --> 01:54:24,161 We see through you" 1624 01:54:24,204 --> 01:54:29,993 I talk to the face in the mirror 1625 01:54:30,036 --> 01:54:36,477 But he can't get through 1626 01:54:36,521 --> 01:54:42,440 Turns out we're in this together 1627 01:54:42,483 --> 01:54:46,531 Both me and you 1628 01:55:04,244 --> 01:55:06,072 - Mr. President, what's the first thing you're gonna do 1629 01:55:06,116 --> 01:55:07,682 once Ukraine wins this war? 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