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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,560 There are places in Britain where no-one wants to see a house built - 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,759 in our green belt perhaps, in our National Parks, 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,159 in the centres of our historic towns 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,759 which are replete with heritage sites 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,359 and Roman archaeology. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,360 And then, there are those people who are determined to build, 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,520 who will fight even a 34-year history of planning refusal. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,719 Who consider it their right, their duty, 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 to fight the system and to break the deadlock. 10 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,480 Surrounding one of Britain's most historic cathedrals in Hertfordshire 11 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,079 is some of the country's most highly protected land. 12 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,080 There's been no chance of building on it for the past 30 years. 13 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,999 But no-one reckoned on golf-coach Chris. 14 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,839 After a playing career, 15 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,239 he went into business, running and owning golf centres. 16 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,559 He is a true sportsman, trained to win. 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,239 Winning I guess is always important. It's pleasurable to win, 18 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,240 you don't want to lose, I guess, more than anything else. 19 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,999 Chris met his future wife, Kayo, 20 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,319 when she booked golf lessons with him 20 years ago. 21 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,239 She's also a sports champion, 22 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,119 figure skating for her home country, Japan. 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,120 I am quite strong, I like to compete and I like to win, I don't give in. 24 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,879 They have three school-age children. 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,839 Theirs an active, driven family 26 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,840 who don't easily take "no" for an answer. 27 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,759 And their lives are about to be uprooted. 28 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,359 They live in this house, in the shadow of the Abbey. 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,159 The new building plot they've bought is bang next door, 30 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,879 on a strip of wasteland. 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,159 This is your house there, is it? 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,519 It is indeed. What a lovely building. 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,079 It's gorgeous and semi-rural - what's wrong with this? 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,599 Well, absolutely nothing really, nothing wrong with the house, 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,079 nothing at all wrong with the positioning of it other than unfortunately 36 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,080 this particular site was a huge problem for us because there was massive 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,560 antisocial behaviour going on when we arrived - lots of youths drinking, 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,239 taking drugs, doing whatever. 39 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,599 Was that because you're surrounded by woodland and open space? 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,959 Yes, because we're very close to a main city centre 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,960 and this was a hidden piece of woodland and it was very easy for kids to come in there, 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,599 hide away from everybody. 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,519 How many times did we call the police? 44 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,159 I don't know, 50 or 60 times? 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,599 Seriously? Yep. 46 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,600 The family home, in the dream location, turned out to be a nightmare. 47 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,680 Chris and Kayo's solution was to build a house on the plot next door. 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,839 But that's easier said than done. 49 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,359 It's on a scheduled ancient monument site, 50 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,959 so it needs the say-so from Historic England 51 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,799 and scrutiny from the planners. 52 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,119 It is a very difficult site - archaeology, 53 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,719 location in relation to the abbey. 54 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,639 If you were actually going to, in planning policy terms, 55 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:29,039 look at this site on a piece of paper you would say there's no chance of us 56 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,199 actually putting something positive. 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,200 It didn't take Chris and Kayo long to find out they'd bitten off much, 58 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,519 much more than they could chew. 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,439 It can't have been that easy, the past few years. 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,919 No, it was difficult for a long time, you know, Chris' moods up and down. 61 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,839 Sometimes sending an application in, 62 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,840 you never get the response for months and months, Chris gets frustrated. 63 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,599 I think, you know, 64 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,439 she probably knows my ambition - 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,519 when I decide I want to do something, 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,639 then I don't like to stop and back down, 67 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,640 so I was determined to try and sort out this problem. 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,680 Chris put on his best sporting armour and went into battle, 69 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,959 and after six long years of struggle, 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,960 making endless alterations and concessions to get it through the planning process, 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,399 a design was agreed. 72 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,279 The shallow foundations give a clue to the unusual zigzag shape of this 73 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:29,280 house, following the slope's contours and the lines of previous archaeology trenches 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,640 so as to respect the medieval and Roman remains buried below. 75 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,359 Meanwhile, the planners wanted to see a single-storey building here so as to 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,360 preserve the sight lines to and from the abbey and construction would 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,239 be in light, highly-insulated timber cassettes 78 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,839 to reduce the weight of the building on the archaeology below. 79 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,639 The glazed link between the two wings will suggest a light transparent 80 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,559 centre to the house that's almost not there. 81 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,999 Cladding will be narrow cinder-coloured bricks, 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 with decorative coursing echoing a 2,000-year-old Roman wall-building style 83 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,839 appropriate for this city. 84 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,759 The brickwork flourishes will be triangular-pierced screens almost 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,919 redolent of ruined walls. 86 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,479 The roof will be flat and punctured by three large roof lights and a 87 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,759 series of light tubes to brightly illuminate the rooms. 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,760 And it'll be covered in sedum, another planning condition. 89 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,080 The west wing will contain a series of bedrooms - the master suite, 90 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,439 a row of three almost monastic rooms for the children, 91 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,440 a spare room and at the end, a family cinema room. 92 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Through the front door, 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,239 you'll cross a tiny moat of water 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,759 then turn left along the glazed link to 95 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,760 reach the living wing. You'll have noticed there's no white emulsion here. 96 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,559 The house is built of wood and lined with wood - maple, 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,239 partly to suggest a traditional house in Japan. 98 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,239 Almost every fitting and piece of furniture will be crafted from yet more 99 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,079 maple in the pursuit of a single, ordered aesthetic. 100 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,959 There are rooms too - this house isn't open-plan - 101 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,960 but highly organised into compartments - sitting and dining rooms and a kitchen. 102 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,880 This design is rich in influences - it's part Japanese transparency 103 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,680 and lightness, part mediaeval cloister and part Roman villa in layout. 104 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:26,239 And nowhere are you far from a relationship with the natural, 105 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,839 organic world, which of course for Chris, 106 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:32,840 means there has to be a putting green in his garden. 107 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,920 The layout of this highly unusual house is already carved into the ground. 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,919 You have to remember that although this building is not vast in volume, 109 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,679 its footprint is large on the ground 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,159 because it's a bungalow - it's a single-storey building. 111 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,639 So the living wing here, for example, 112 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,359 the foundations are in for that. 113 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Then there's the extra foundations here for the link between that wing and 114 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,559 the bedroom wing over here. 115 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,119 And although these don't look very precise, these foundations, 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,639 because they're so big and so long, 117 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,719 if they are only a few degrees out, 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,559 that means the building itself then won't fit on to the footings. 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,560 What's really bizarre is the foundations for this, look, 120 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,839 this is where the bedrooms kind of crank out, 121 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,479 and look what the concrete does. 122 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,480 It's bizarre. It's like following a crazy golf course. 123 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,399 Where's the windmill? 124 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,239 I'm really not sure what I make of this highly-detailed, 125 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,079 very crafted design - it's not fashionable, thank goodness. 126 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,479 But it's not my house, it's Chris and Kayo's. 127 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Do you like it much? Do you like the design? It's unusual, isn't it? 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,560 You know, I think I could probably tell you that in a few months' time. 129 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,599 So you're not sure? I got a kind of Eureka moment when we got the planning 130 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,359 permission, and then I kind of asked myself - do I definitely want to live 131 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,360 in this house, and my architect had to sit me down and kind of start all over again. 132 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,159 His passion, his enthusiasm, 133 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,160 his vision I think convinced me that this was really worth building and 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,879 maybe even worth living in. Now hang on, he's the architect, 135 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,439 you're the client, it's not the other way round, 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,479 I mean, surely you feel some passion for this, some kind of excitement, 137 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,839 some kind of vision? 138 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,399 I think, you know, 139 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,839 when you win a battle, 140 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,239 sometimes there needs to be a kind of period of time 141 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,479 when you gather your thoughts 142 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,039 and I'm still probably in that mode. 143 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,799 Gathering? Yeah. 144 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,079 I wasn't expecting that. 145 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,799 Chris is just gathering his thoughts about a house he's commissioned. 146 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,999 And we're not talking small change here, 147 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,359 this is an expensive part of the country so the plot wouldn't have 148 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,839 been a cheap investment. 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,759 Certainly five, five zeros and more. 150 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,399 I can't remember you know, I'm not very good with zeros. 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,279 I suggest it's six - it's got to be well into six? 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,559 It may be, I can't remember. 153 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,359 And how much is it going to cost you to put the building on it? 154 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,360 Well, we started off with a budget of 600 but it seems to be going up. 155 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,519 And when do you hope to finish? 156 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,999 Oh, soon. 157 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,119 A year. A year and a half. 158 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,079 18 months, sounds good. 159 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,080 So, all in all they'll take 18 months or longer to build a house for 160 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,639 between one and a half and two million pounds, I reckon, 161 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,999 a house which I'm not sure they even like. 162 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,000 This highly unusual project has been designed by Rogan Gale-Brown. 163 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,039 He's worked with Chris for over 20 years, 164 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,599 designing his golf centres and house extensions. 165 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,600 This house is something of a passion project. 166 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,680 I'm actually doing this as part of a long-term vision of mine, 167 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:44,680 and hopefully it will have something to say to young architects about 168 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 thinking about architecture rather than just drawing white square lines on 169 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,160 paper and just plugging glass in which, you know, I just don't believe in. 170 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,640 This is a designer who knows his own mind, that's clear. 171 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,119 I've got a few questions for Rogan. 172 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Chris has been very happy to be led on this project by you. 173 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,919 Well, yes he has. 174 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,319 He really didn't know in the beginning what he was going to get, 175 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,919 he took a leap of faith, 176 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,920 and I hope that by now he's appreciated what we are trying to do for him - 177 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,759 that it's unlocked his vision of what he'd like to see. 178 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,760 I'm absolutely admiring of your clients here in handing you this gorgeous 179 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,959 and beautiful responsibility of, you know, kind of leading them, 180 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,239 taking them on this journey but of course there is always the risk 181 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,799 that in the end they will turn round to you and say, 182 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,439 "Hang on, we've seen the models. We don't like it! 183 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,839 "This is not our house, it's yours, Rogan." 184 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,840 It sounds a bit egotistical to say it, but I think that I've been 185 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,799 deeply into their psyche, I know what they feel, 186 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,719 I know that Kayo doesn't like things lying around, 187 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,720 that she likes everything in cupboards and I know that they don't like 188 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,159 endless open space. 189 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,719 This is trust of the highest order. 190 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,199 There are a lot of opinions going on here. 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,759 But very little from the clients, Chris and Kayo. 192 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,039 Now then, there's a question of ownership here because it's almost as 193 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,040 though the architect is half expecting to move into this house when it's finished. 194 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,919 Oh, and then there's English Heritage, of course, who have wanted 195 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,999 to design the thing from scratch from the word go, 196 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,039 the local authority who have taken an interest, oh, 197 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,040 and there's of course Chris and Kayo, the people who are paying for it, 198 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,560 you know, for whom the project is almost a by-product, really, of a separate 199 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,800 process of trying to figure out what to do with this site - 200 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:54,000 I mean, whose house is it? 201 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,719 It takes nearly seven months to complete 202 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,479 the crazy golf concrete footings that step up and down the site, 203 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,879 which is now ready for the next phase - 204 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,880 the highly-insulated timber frame which is being manufactured off-site 205 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,320 as ready-made wall, floor and ceiling panels, or cassettes, 206 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,680 every one of which is a different size and shape. 207 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,760 And today is project manager Steve's personal moment of truth. 208 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,480 Will the 786 cassettes fit his complicated foundations? 209 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,959 I'm confident what I've done's right. 210 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,879 I wasn't confident it fit cos I didn't have any control over 211 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,719 making these cassettes, but I don't think a computer can be wrong - 212 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,720 it's what you put into it. 213 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,959 At last, Steve is no longer alone. 214 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,719 There's a new team on site, and work's accelerating. 215 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,119 The main issue of today was getting the vehicles in. 216 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,679 It's quite a tight site, so bit of a hoo-hah there, 217 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:09,359 but we got in, got out. 218 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,360 No damage, all the trees are still there, so...good. 219 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,599 This single-storey house has a very large footprint 220 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,719 of 557 square metres - 221 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,519 nearly six times your average family home - 222 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,119 sprawling over this sloping site. 223 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,639 Size isn't the only problem, though. 224 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,640 Normally, a timber frame like this would drop neatly onto a flat slab, 225 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,799 everything in line and square. 226 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,759 There you go, that's how an ordinary house is laid out - 227 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,599 one, two, three, four little rooms. Very straightforward, isn't it? 228 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,439 That's not what they've done here, though, 229 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,440 cos the watchword for this project is "complicated". 230 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,480 So in order to follow the slope of the hill, 231 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,680 what Rogan's done in each of these two wings is not only angle 232 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,640 the rooms, but also step them so that across the site 233 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,319 you step up from one room to the next, one room to the next 234 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,959 through the building, and as a result of that, at the far end 235 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,839 at the top there, it's a metre above ground level at this end. 236 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,399 So what does that mean? 237 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,839 It means that from the setting out of the groundworks, and the slab, 238 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,239 and to the walls, to the roof, to the glazing - 239 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,240 every part of the building is different to every other part. 240 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,879 Enormously complicated. 241 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,599 No, you haven't got a plinth there. You've got a plinth going across 242 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,679 the back there, and you've got a plinth going across here. 243 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,799 Once they get their heads round the plans, 244 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,759 the team bolt the walls to the floor plates. 245 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,879 Each of these floor decks have got solid timbers, 246 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,679 so we can screw through the base of the panel into the solid timber, 247 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,399 which holds it down. 248 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,400 One of the benefits of this type of construction should be speed. 249 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,719 Timber frame wise, if we were to get a clear run at it, 250 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,959 we'd be looking at sort of a five-week programme, 251 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,960 a five-, six-week programme. 252 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,239 Five weeks would be a long schedule 253 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,319 for a normal timber, cassette-frame house. 254 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,320 Everything about this project is lengthy. 255 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,039 But while Steve and the timber company get on with their job, 256 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Chris has time to get back onto the golf course - with me. 257 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,239 Boy, oh, boy. This is not my natural habitat. 258 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,719 I feel a bit like a fish out of water. 259 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,839 Chris is a proper sportsman - 260 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,999 he keeps his cards very close to his chest. 261 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Maybe he'll open up here in his comfort zone. 262 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,199 That's a super shot! Where did it go? 263 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,679 GLASS SMASHES Straight in the greenkeeper's shed. 264 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Oh, man! Very well struck, though. Sorry! 265 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,479 This is going rather well. 266 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,479 Time to ask the hard questions. 267 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,959 What does he really think about Rogan's design? 268 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,399 It's very different to anything you've lived in before, isn't it? 269 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,999 When we started the project, 270 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,000 it was Rogan's baby in terms of the style of the house, 271 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,519 something that fitted the site and pleased the planners 272 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,919 and English Heritage and everybody else. 273 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,399 I think it is going to be different from where we've ever lived before, 274 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,319 and I'm kind of embracing that. 275 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,320 I think it's a rare opportunity to live in a house 276 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,599 that is really extremely unusual. 277 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,279 Back at Chris and Kayo's current home, 278 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,280 I have a chance to see for myself just exactly what their usual is. 279 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,199 Hello. Hello. Can I come in? Please come in. 280 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,479 I'll take my shoes off here. Yes, please, it's Japanese style. 281 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,319 That's good. No, I approve of it, cos it keeps the house clean. 282 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,999 We always ask people to take their shoes off. 283 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,439 How oriental, then, is your house? 284 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,319 Cos you grew up in Tokyo, didn't you? 285 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,399 Yes, because I grew up in Tokyo, 286 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,239 my parents' house never had tatami mats, and more and more... 287 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,159 So it was more western? More western. 288 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,519 So you're quite westernised, then, in your tastes 289 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,520 and in the way that you like to furnish... Yes. ..the home. 290 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,199 This is classic family living - 291 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,679 comfortable, likeable and unsurprising. 292 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,199 Definitely sociable. 293 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,879 There's a table and chairs... Yes. ..there's a table and chairs... Yes! 294 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,359 ..there's a table and chairs and in your kitchen, 295 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,719 you've got seating for eating as well. 296 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,919 So, quite clearly, that's important to you. 297 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,519 Yes, we like to sit down and eat. 298 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,520 If it's nice weather, we sit outside. 299 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,719 Oh, my goodness me, what a tidy kitchen! 300 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,679 You don't like clutter, do you? 301 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,680 No, I like plenty of cupboards so I can put everything away. Yeah. 302 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Can I have a look inside your cupboards? No. Top Secret. 303 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,360 Really? How tidy...? You are quite tidy. 304 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,079 Seriously, I mean, look, there's nothing on that worktop. 305 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,639 I mean, there should be a toaster or a kettle or something. 306 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,319 They're all in the utility room. 307 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,239 Can we go and look at that? No. Oh. 308 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,559 Because British people, they probably only have a kettle 309 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,560 and a toaster, but I have to have bread maker, rice cooker, 310 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,000 toaster and fish roaster... Yes. ..so I have all different gadgets. 311 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,599 In the utility room? Yes, for different cooking. 312 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,279 So when you cook a specific meal, you'll bring... 313 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,479 One comes out, and goes back in. 314 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,399 To the utility room? Yes. 315 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,319 So importantly, in the new kitchen... Yes? 316 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,919 ..will there be somewhere to put the rice cooker? 317 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,639 Yes, I have an extremely large utility room. 318 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,119 KEVIN CHUCKLES 319 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,919 I'm now convinced that, were it not for Rogan, 320 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,319 Chris and Kayo would be building a house that might look quite similar 321 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,479 to the one they live in at the moment. 322 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,439 And I wouldn't blame them, 323 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,440 because their new house would, I think, challenge anyone's judgment. 324 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,599 Here's the thing - this design really isn't to my taste. 325 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,759 But that doesn't matter, because taste changes, 326 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,799 taste is unreliable. 327 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,599 Whereas quality - 328 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,359 the quality of design, the quality of execution of something, 329 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,079 how well it is thought about and put together - 330 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,199 that...that's a sort of a constant, 331 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,200 that is something that we can all instinctively recognise. 332 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,640 So I'm looking forward to the quality of this project, 333 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,960 and all I can do is exalt you to put your taste to one side 334 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,880 and prepare yourself to admire this house. 335 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,599 After two weeks of painstaking cassette assembly, 336 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,919 the house is starting to take shape. 337 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,119 And then the inevitable happens. 338 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,319 But this wall is like top-to-bottom glass. 339 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,320 How are you going to close this glass in the evening, 340 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,599 if you're having a bath in the evening? 341 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,239 After months of standing on the sidelines, 342 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,679 Chris and Kayo make a sudden move. 343 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,680 They want changes, starting with their bedroom. 344 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,679 We noticed that, as we entered the room, the wall which actually 345 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,680 formed the bathroom was directly in the way of the whole of the room, 346 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,279 so you saw nothing other than the hallway and this wall. 347 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,239 I mean, right here, the wall came all the way across to here, 348 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,839 so literally the wall was just here in fact, and you can see how close 349 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,879 that is to the chimney itself. 350 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,880 And we felt that compromised such a beautiful feature, 351 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000 as well as blocking the view as you walked into the room. 352 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,039 A second alteration they want to Rogan's design is 353 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,040 to change the cinema room into a large bedroom overlooking the abbey. 354 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,559 I think we've kind of put our thoughts into it now 355 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,559 rather than just follow the drawings. 356 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,560 It's our own little mark on what is Rogan's masterplan. 357 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,239 The site has to wait for new engineering drawings 358 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,240 to make the Chris and Kayo changes, so everything stops for a month, 359 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 adding several thousand pounds to the budget. 360 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,119 When the construction team get back, 361 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,120 they find the project manager, Steve, is missing. 362 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,279 We've turned up on site today, and Steve's not here. 363 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,119 I'm not sure if he's coming back, or if he's gone to another project, 364 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,719 but sort of bit in the dark ourselves at the moment, so... 365 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,039 It was a bit unexpected, 366 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,719 but we know what we're doing, timber frame wise, 367 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,720 so it shouldn't affect us massively, so we shall proceed. 368 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,159 Onwards and upwards. 369 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Chris has made a big decision about Steve. 370 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,239 There was a time when I almost felt like there really wasn't enough for 371 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,240 him to be doing, so I guess I felt that the time had come when maybe 372 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,919 I needed to probably play a closer role. 373 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,920 It is my house, at the end of the day. 374 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Chris has decided to project manage this build himself. 375 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,279 This is dangerous territory. 376 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,280 Chris has never managed anything on this scale before. 377 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,040 They're now one year into the 18-month schedule, and it's already 378 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,760 costing more and taking longer than Chris had planned for. 379 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,079 As a businessman, that's what I always have to ask myself - 380 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,799 is this value for money, 381 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,359 does it represent a good investment, 382 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,719 and am I going to be happy living here? 383 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,879 But this isn't just an investment - 384 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,519 it's their new family home, isn't it? 385 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,520 And to make matters worse, he has Rogan's complex design to handle. 386 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,559 Yeah, this is his canvas, 387 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,799 and I'm the kind of protector of that, I guess. 388 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,800 And I've got to ensure that I try and really kind of do him justice, 389 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,639 and I hope I do at the end, 390 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,719 and I hope that we enjoy this as a family home. 391 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,799 But I'm sure I will. 392 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,199 Chris is treating this project as a business proposition, 393 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,679 where the profit and loss and balance sheet value will somehow 394 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,879 eventually be measured in family happiness. 395 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:31,000 And like all business propositions, it is a gamble. 396 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,399 Towards the end of 2014, 397 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,239 the timber frame of Chris and Kayo's house 398 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,919 is finally completed and the brick cladding is underway. 399 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,920 Like everything else in this house, it's beautiful and complicated. 400 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,319 I've never built one of these feature walls. 401 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,079 I've done sort of, other brickwork, 402 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,639 but never anything like this. 403 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,640 I mean, hats off to the architect for designing it. 404 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,840 19,700 and something, probably 80-something bricks. 405 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,359 There'll be a light behind them and plants growing up them. 406 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,759 Unusual, very unusual. 407 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,079 Organic architecture. 408 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119 That's what I've been told, anyway. 409 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,839 Now there's two people who understand this house - 410 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,759 Rogan, and the master bricklayer. 411 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,760 Lots of complicated shapes and troughs and planters. 412 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,160 Levels and steps and brickwork and triangles. 413 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,960 My goodness me, Rogan is not a man who is afraid of triangles. 414 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,240 This is a very, very strongly shaped building and really powerful. 415 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,760 And it does bear the stamp of its designer. 416 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,599 What I can't see, yet, 417 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,879 is the mark of Chris. 418 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,879 This house has its own fabulous character, 419 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,959 and I'm starting to understand it, 420 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,079 and EVEN like it. 421 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,079 It's a building that wants a place in architectural history, 422 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,080 that might even, as Rogan hopes, move it on. 423 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,119 Settle down, class, because we're going to look at some slides. 424 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,599 Look at those shapes, look at those strong triangular forms, 425 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,679 that perforated brickwork, you know? 426 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,680 I think that, actually, the tradition that this house fits into 427 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,079 is primarily 20th century, 428 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,159 in the works of people like Stromberg. 429 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,079 This is one of his houses which has deep overhangs, 430 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,080 a big projecting roof, casting deep shadows over the building. 431 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,799 And here's another house which could almost be by Rogan, 432 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,279 it's actually by Frank Lloyd Wright, dating from the 1930s. 433 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,159 Again, lots of glass, overhangs and planters, 434 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,160 loads of places within the architecture to put foliage. 435 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,680 And like Chris and Kayo's house, this building by Frank Lloyd Wright, 436 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,120 the Kentuck Knob house, uses triangles, big projecting angles, 437 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,920 overhangs and hexagons - perforations in the roof structure, 438 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,719 just like at Chris and Kayo's house. 439 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,999 You know, I think this is Frank Lloyd Wright 440 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,000 at his most sophisticated, at his most beautifully crafted. 441 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,520 It's the point in his career where he is most inspired by Rogan. 442 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,559 Rogan is clearly trying to build a fine distinctive 443 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,719 piece of architecture here. 444 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,359 But is that the same thing as a family house 445 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:36,360 Chris and Kayo will love and enjoy? 446 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,720 There's a particular brand of mid-century kind of brick house 447 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,479 that this building speaks of, 448 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,479 and it's pretty uncompromising, 449 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,480 and it's not going to be to everybody's liking, but... 450 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,359 ..it is to mine. 451 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,279 There are some days when I walk through it, 452 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,799 and I think actually I do, 453 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,319 this is really beginning to be something I do like, 454 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,919 but I am somebody probably quite tight with my emotions 455 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,920 and I don't let myself kind of get too far ahead. 456 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,959 I think... 457 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,759 ..in golf we always say, you know, take one hole at a time. 458 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,359 You'd have to ask me at the end whether I love it or hate it, 459 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,759 but I hope I love it. 460 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,399 So Chris still isn't sure he likes the house. 461 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,319 Blimey. 462 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,759 However, he is resolutely faithful to Rogan. 463 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,839 And there's a lot to either love or hate, 464 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,559 because Rogan isn't just designing the house, 465 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,719 he's designed the entire interior as well, 466 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,239 right down to the very last detail. 467 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,240 He's even designing the lampshades. 468 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Any other designer would select something that was ready-made. 469 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,079 You've designed and made here a prototype 470 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,279 and this is going to be completely bespoke throughout the building. 471 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,079 And this is because... 472 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,399 It ties in with what we're doing with the furniture 473 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119 and it performs its function specifically, 474 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,119 it's not something which you can say, 475 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,959 "Well, I'm going to choose some general fitting, 476 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,799 "it doesn't really matter. It more or less fits into the scheme." 477 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,800 So for you, the landscape, right down to the smallest component, 478 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,399 if you can design it, you will. 479 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,599 I will. 480 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,559 It's much, much, more effort to design, 481 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,719 build and install than to buy fixtures, 482 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,799 fittings and furniture off the peg. 483 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,239 I have no idea how long it will take to achieve the level of detail 484 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,159 Rogan wants and I don't think Chris knows either. 485 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,599 Yeah, obviously, you know, more man hours, 486 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,959 no more materials, but more man hours for sure. 487 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,119 Yeah, I think there is an increase in cost, 488 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,759 there's no question of that, 489 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,760 but, again, you know, hopefully, it's justified in the end product. 490 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,079 One thing has remained constant, though, 491 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,959 Rogan's remarkable and rare relationship 492 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,359 with his client, Chris. 493 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,559 As the architectural experience has been open to him, 494 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,279 you know, he's suddenly beginning to click, 495 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,679 and, frankly, he's doing things that I didn't expect him to do. 496 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,919 I didn't think he would build the furniture in 497 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,119 and all the fittings and so on. 498 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,399 I think, if I'm really honest, 499 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,639 I'm probably allowing him to do what he wants to do. 500 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,159 Yeah, he's come so far with this, 501 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,959 and he's lived and breathed it, 502 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,679 and I'm indebted to him, you know, if I'm honest. 503 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,959 He feels everything about this building, 504 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,159 if he comes in and we've done something slightly different 505 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,119 to what he suggested, you know, I can see it breaks his heart. 506 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,319 And you know, how many people are there in this world, 507 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,320 that really care that much? 508 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,359 Chris gets his house watertight 509 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,679 courtesy of a joinery firm from Slovakia 510 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,959 who make, deliver and fit the floor-to-ceiling windows 511 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960 around the whole horseshoe-shaped courtyard. 512 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,439 There seem to be no lengths Chris and Kayo won't go to 513 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,440 in order to satisfy the Rogan brief, at a price they can afford, 514 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,919 so they journey to the high Tatra Mountains in Slovakia 515 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,639 to oversee all the bespoke furniture and fittings. 516 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,879 There is four of them. 517 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,639 See all these shadow lines, 518 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,559 they match the ones on the ceiling. 519 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,799 We won't see them. That's a shame. 520 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,959 That one, as well, will be white so it can reflect the light. 521 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,919 Oh, my God. I think maybe leave them natural, you know. 522 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,920 Nice, gliding drawers. 523 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,879 This is the part which will come out. 524 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,199 I see. That will be your dressing part 525 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,679 and then you can open any door, open any holder. 526 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,079 So that's my dressing table, is it? 527 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,080 Have we started the utility room yet? 528 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,639 Originally, when we saw on the drawings, 529 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,640 and now, actually, if you see in the 3D, the actual pieces, 530 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,640 and very precise and handcrafted, it's very impressive. 531 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,079 All those hundreds of Rogan drawings are becoming the furniture 532 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,359 they will live with. 533 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,999 There have been times when you think, "Oh, my God. 534 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,039 "Are we heading in the right direction, here?" 535 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,679 But he's always said to me, 536 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,680 "Chris, just go with me on this." 537 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,599 Back in the UK, 538 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,399 the third Christmas comes and goes, 539 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,400 and the house is still not ready to move into. 540 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,120 You know, I was just thinking that I was last here nearly a year ago. 541 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Blimey. Talk about The Lost Weekend... 542 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,199 ..this was The Lost Year. 543 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,679 Lost to detail. 544 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,839 All those maple walls and ceilings, 545 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,079 not to mention all the handmade maple furniture, 546 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,399 are a slow labour of love. 547 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,119 It's taking longer than we were expecting, 548 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,519 we have to keep attention to the details. 549 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,520 But details make it perfect. 550 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,719 When do you expect to move in? 551 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,439 Definitely some time in 2016. 552 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,119 Well, that would be a relief. 553 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,399 I mean, most people, me included, 554 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,119 standing here looking at the building in the current state 555 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,959 might say... 556 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,399 Eight weeks. Six to eight weeks. 557 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,799 It's a possibility. 558 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,479 But I think it might be longer than that. 559 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,479 Well, we haven't even ordered the kitchen, yet. 560 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,879 We haven't ordered a lot of things, actually, 561 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,239 which we simply can't afford. 562 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,239 I have a particular style that I want for the kitchen. 563 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,799 I don't want a cheap kitchen to be fitted 564 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,119 just because we want to move in here, 565 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,599 I'd rather wait than rush into it. 566 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,879 The most exciting thing from our point of view, as well, 567 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,239 is maybe bringing some things over from Japan. 568 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,159 You know, again, we've been talking to Rogan about that, 569 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,279 as to what may or may not fit in with the house. 570 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,919 I mean, it does sound like a kind of, you know, 571 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,279 three's company kind of thing in this situation, 572 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,999 but it's, I mean, maybe Rogan is going to move into one of the rooms, 573 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,359 I'm not sure. 574 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,039 You know, with you guys, he's going to be hanging the last picture, 575 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,359 the last plant in its pot, making sure that it's growing, 576 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360 and only then will he pull back. He's part of the family. 577 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,759 Delivering the finish to Rogan's precise instructions 578 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,760 takes the whole of the rest of 2016. 579 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,879 The family hasn't moved in, but the furniture arrives. 580 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Yes! There she goes. 581 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,359 Ah! Ah! 582 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,399 Happy ever after! 583 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,439 But all this time and all these details 584 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,159 have taken their toll on Chris's bank balance. 585 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,079 Yeah, we just had to slow it down 586 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,999 because we didn't have any money to pay anybody. 587 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,399 We didn't have any choice. It was as simple as that, really. 588 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,400 We had to be practical, we had to wait until we could afford things, 589 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,560 so we decided that time was our friend rather than our enemy. 590 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,839 All this time, all this money, 591 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,919 yet Chris and Kayo don't seem downhearted, 592 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,199 if anything, they're more upbeat than I've seen them before. 593 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,159 So, after four years in the making, 594 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,279 seven years in the planning and designing, 595 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,319 and, let's face it, 20 years of building up the relationship 596 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,320 between designer and client... 597 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,239 Am I right in thinking 598 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:33,240 that Chris and Kayo are just beginning to enjoy this place, 599 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:40,000 that they actually do like it? 600 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,719 This really is a special place. 601 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,239 But have we got the exceptional piece of architecture this location 602 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,240 deserves? After a very tricky four-year project, 603 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,239 I think Chris and Kayo have at last moved in. 604 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,599 But is it the home they want? 605 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,119 Wow. 606 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,120 What a house! 607 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,480 Outside, at least, the house appears rooted and bedded, 608 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,639 almost anchored to its site, 609 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,640 with vegetation and all that robust brickwork. 610 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,319 Hello! Hi, Kevin, how are you? Hello. 611 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,719 Very well, how are you? 612 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,599 I'm very well. I'm not claiming anything. 613 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,679 I'm not claiming any territory with this flag! 614 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,759 I see you've come well-equipped. KEVIN LAUGHS 615 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,559 Welcome. How are you, Kayo? Nice to see you. 616 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,560 And you, and you. But it looks very beautifully finished, I mean, 617 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,159 highly detailed, plants and everything. 618 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Thank you. So is it all really done? 619 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,119 Almost. Almost. 620 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,959 KEVIN LAUGHS 621 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,559 Yeah, this house will never be done. 622 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Obviously the planting really is the thing that... Yeah. ..is taking time 623 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,199 and we always anticipated that. 624 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,200 It's taken over ten long years to get this house up and finished 625 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,639 but it's well worth the wait. 626 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,279 Surrounded by these majestic, giant trees, 627 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,280 this extraordinary-shaped house is almost lost in the green. 628 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,799 But that's what the guardians of this precious plot insisted on. 629 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,959 It could've been a bureaucratic mess. 630 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,279 It isn't. 631 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,119 I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing the inside of this house. 632 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,319 Uh-huh. ..experiencing it. Come inside. Come in. 633 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,599 Shall I take the flag? Well, I thought you could leave it 634 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,600 at the front door, and then it tells people that you're in. 635 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,599 Oh, my word. 636 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,039 Oh, this is...already remarkable. 637 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,040 Thank you. 638 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,639 Inside, it's breathtaking. 639 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,640 The light is so soft you can almost touch it, taste it. 640 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,160 Every surface glows and is pristine. 641 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,479 I'm quite overwhelmed by all of this. 642 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,119 The reflections of mirror and light 643 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,120 and transparency and timber, I mean, this is veneered. 644 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,720 It is veneered. It's like walking into a Japanese timber-post house. 645 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,320 Yes. And so exquisitely finished. 646 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,520 The long promenade - it's too wide to be a corridor - theatrically 647 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,120 sets up your arrival at the main event. 648 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,160 Pulls you all the way down into this room. 649 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,039 And the main event is, no doubt about it, 650 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,040 the vision of organically inspired geometric craftsmanship that Rogan 651 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,519 promised. It hits you between the eyes. 652 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,520 And all this maple - the floor, the furniture, the lights, the windows, 653 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,440 the ceiling, the shelving - this is all - table, sofa - 654 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719 is maple. Is that right? All maple. 655 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,159 So that's Rogan's choice yeah, maple? Yes. 656 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,599 A maple building. 657 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,159 So do you like it? 658 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,160 Do you, I mean, so much of the one thing, do you enjoy that? 659 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,519 Yes. Yes. 660 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,520 I think, like a Frank Lloyd Wright house, it is an homogenous thing. 661 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,879 Everything kind of works together, 662 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,959 so I think it would be a great tragedy if you kind of ripped this 663 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,439 maple out and put a white ceiling in, I think that would really 664 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,959 be horrible and be very sad actually. 665 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,399 These lights, right, I thought... 666 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,479 I thought these were going to be just too much, 667 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,559 I drew the line at that, I thought just for heaven's sakes 668 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,759 go out and buy something, cos this is 669 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,359 expensive to make and do, 670 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,399 and I don't want to... Oh, it does, it does, it does move. 671 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,039 Yeah. Fantastic. 672 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,439 They're actually brilliant. 673 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,439 You know, once upon a time I think you said that I was a patron of 674 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,279 Rogan and I think you were basically right, 675 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,439 I think because I love the guy and I believe in him. 676 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,359 And you've worked with him for 20-odd years. 677 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,479 And I've worked with him for 20-odd years, you know, 678 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,039 this was a project I was prepared to share with him 679 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,040 and I'm not disappointed I did. 680 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,359 We automatically follow Rogan's pre-determined route 681 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,959 around the house. 682 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,119 Next stop, the dining room. 683 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,120 Also in maple, of course. 684 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,040 The last room to be completed was the kitchen. 685 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,039 So how are your cupboards? 686 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,679 No. No. 687 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,239 As always, you cannot look inside the cupboards. Oh! 688 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,759 I'm sure they're beautifully tidy. 689 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,639 Please look from the outside. OK. 690 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,679 OK. 691 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,079 What I can see over there, 692 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,439 on the shelves because there are no cupboard doors, 693 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,079 are books. Are they cookery books? 694 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,359 Yes, they are cookery books. 695 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,079 I covered them up with the washi, 696 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,080 which is a Japanese old rice papers, which you see on these white doors. 697 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,919 How beautiful. The wooden doors. 698 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,039 How very beautiful. 699 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,679 Problem is I've got no idea which is which. Which one is which! 700 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,159 Exactly, exactly. That's OK, Chris never used them anyway. 701 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,160 HE LAUGHS 702 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,240 This house may seem paradoxical, both futuristic and historical, 703 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,880 but it's successful because it's the hard-won fruition of a 20-year 704 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,960 relationship between designer and client. 705 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,039 So, across the... what do you call this room? 706 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,399 This is the atrium. The atrium. 707 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,359 This is the connection between the living and bedroom. 708 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,439 Yeah, it's a good long distance, isn't it? It is. 709 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,879 To walk. Yeah. 710 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,880 On down through here, very pretty shafts of light - and these kimonos. 711 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,960 Yes, this is my kimono I wore when I was seven years old. Never! 712 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,400 And in Japan on the third birthday and the seventh birthday you have 713 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,880 the girls celebrate their health in front of the shrine and they always 714 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,320 wear a kimono and this is the kimono I wore when I was seven years old 715 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,800 and this should be passed on to the next generation. 716 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,680 The Japanese ideas of composure and formality permeate this house, 717 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,079 not least in the bedroom wing, 718 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,080 where each room enjoys a private terrace, angled to catch the sun. 719 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,959 Space for contemplation. 720 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,959 And in to... 721 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,439 Master bedroom. 722 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,759 Isn't it just? 723 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,239 So it was at this point, I felt 724 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,439 that you really asserted yourselves and you said, 725 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,719 "Right, no, this is where we step in," almost. 726 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,759 Yeah, I think we combined our thoughts, 727 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,760 I think that's the way, it's always been a collaborative process, 728 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960 and it's always been the three of us really working together. 729 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,559 Oh, very nice. 730 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,599 Beautiful. 731 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,239 And the bath is magnificent. 732 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,199 That's a Japanese bath. Yes. 733 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,200 With a television? Yes. Stonking. 734 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,560 And there's another stonking bedroom at the abbey end of the house. 735 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,599 Plus, those three private bedrooms for the children, 736 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,600 yet again in maple. 737 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,879 Rogan's pursuit of his organic ideal for a healthy, 738 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,880 whole house is at once a complex and a personal agenda 739 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,719 and, at the same time, a great gift to Chris and Kayo. 740 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,439 Are they grateful for it? 741 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,799 You said to me, ooh, a long while ago, 742 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,479 that you would sort of approach this like a businessman. 743 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,359 You were looking for value for money, 744 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,359 you were looking for a return on your investment 745 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,360 and you also expressed a hope to be happy living in it. 746 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,559 Does it deliver against those? 747 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,560 I think as a house to live in, it's all that we could ever hope for, 748 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,639 maybe much more so. 749 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,640 I think, you know, every single day that goes by and you see the house 750 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,279 kind of organically taking shape, 751 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,639 to me that's value for money in itself. 752 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,239 And how much did it cost in the end, in terms of value for money? 753 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,879 Well, I mean, it cost four years of our lives, 754 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,439 so that's the biggest cost, 755 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,319 and probably another, you know, six years of planning as well, 756 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,159 so maybe around ten years altogether. 757 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,039 So that's a big investment. 758 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,999 But you wanted to spend 600k, 759 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,999 you thought it might go north. 760 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,319 It might go north, it might go south, it might go east, 761 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,199 it might go west, I'm never too sure, 762 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,999 but, you know, I suppose in the end we went east with 763 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,679 the design 764 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,799 and I'm very happy that we did. 765 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,359 OK, you're not going to tell me how much you spent. 766 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,119 I'm sorry, is that what you asked me? Yeah! 767 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,120 I'm really sorry, I missed that. 768 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,319 Chris was always going to be coy about how much this crafted house 769 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,999 cost to put together. 770 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,799 But I guess he's right. 771 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,519 It's not about the money, if you can afford it. 772 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,520 It's about wanting to connect to this place. 773 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,439 You said very clearly about your old house just next door that there was 774 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,719 nothing wrong with it, so what does this home bring you, 775 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,199 bring your family, that that didn't give you? 776 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,199 Yes, I always felt like the kids, the children, 777 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,999 were upstairs in their bedrooms, I'm downstairs in the kitchen. 778 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,879 I feel like we're all together because the fact is it's on a single 779 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,159 storey. Even though you're separated by the atrium? 780 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,079 I can open the window and they're on the other side. 781 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,079 Yeah, that's nice, that sense of connection there 782 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,919 across the open space. Yes, there is a connection. 783 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,239 And for you, Chris? 784 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:37,159 Yeah, I think if I could please the principle stakeholders, 785 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,879 if I could resolve the issues on this site and create a nice piece of 786 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,559 architecture for this time. 787 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,639 You know, the Romans were here 2,000 years ago, 788 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,439 the monastery 500 years ago, here we are today. 789 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,839 Erm. 790 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,319 It's just a little statement, 791 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,759 our little statement on the planet in this time, and that's it. 792 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,239 And I hope we've done something that... All of which makes it sound 793 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,240 as though, you know, you feel that the years, 794 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,399 decades of work to get here have all been worth it. 795 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,559 I think so, I hope so. 796 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,239 If this unusual house speaks of anything, 797 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,639 it's not of Roman villas or monasteries 798 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,279 or of Frank Lloyd Wright. 799 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,280 It speaks of collaboration, friendship and trust - 800 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,719 and golf. 801 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,799 Well... 802 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,879 I hope you've had the discipline to be able to park your taste 803 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,599 and instead... 804 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,359 Yes! 805 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,360 Admire the craftsmanship, admire the quality of the design of this place, 806 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,319 cos it is there and it's brilliant 807 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,320 because of the relationship between Rogan, Chris and Kayo, 808 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,239 because of the absolute faith 809 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,119 that they placed in each other throughout. 810 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,120 And I know that that faith is underpinned by a refusal to give up, 811 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,839 by an absolute belief 812 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,039 that things will triumph, that you'd expect, 813 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040 from a pair of sporting diehards. 814 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,320 We sold a very nice house. Yeah, and you bought a pile of... 815 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,199 We want that rough, industrial finish. 816 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,799 We don't want it to look perfect. 817 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,919 I'd put the loo here. That's our wardrobe. 818 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,920 We'd be going to the toilet in a cupboard. Plenty of people do. 819 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,439 Some of it is out of our control. 820 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,639 We're making our lives more difficult, basically. 821 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,640 The road that a ruin will take you down is the road to ruin. 70557

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