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I don't even recognize 11 00:00:55,096 --> 00:00:56,599 myself in the footage. 12 00:01:00,836 --> 00:01:01,770 (SIGHS) 13 00:01:02,837 --> 00:01:05,641 (EXHALES DEEPLY, GROANS) 14 00:01:08,043 --> 00:01:11,076 I worked at CDG for seven years 15 00:01:11,145 --> 00:01:13,646 and I never could have imagined 16 00:01:13,715 --> 00:01:17,717 I was part of the biggest telemarketing scam 17 00:01:17,786 --> 00:01:19,555 in American history. 18 00:01:20,621 --> 00:01:24,293 But Pat was onto it right from the very start. 19 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:29,728 Pat was like born to be a whistleblower. 20 00:01:29,797 --> 00:01:33,632 PATRICK J. PESPAS: Hambre, hambre! Oh, hambre! 21 00:01:33,701 --> 00:01:35,401 -SAM: Patrick. Tell us-- -Hey. What's up? 22 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:37,436 Tell us about the place we're about to enter into. 23 00:01:37,505 --> 00:01:38,737 Where-- where are we going into? 24 00:01:38,806 --> 00:01:41,307 Oh, we're going into Civic Development Group, 25 00:01:41,376 --> 00:01:44,309 and what we do is we call up people 26 00:01:44,378 --> 00:01:47,179 on behalf of some bullshit organization 27 00:01:47,248 --> 00:01:48,947 and chisel 'em out of money. 28 00:01:49,016 --> 00:01:52,284 -(SAM LAUGHS) -Pat, what would you do with the decal 29 00:01:52,353 --> 00:01:54,286 if you were to get mailed one to your house? 30 00:01:54,355 --> 00:01:56,289 Dude, I have so many of those, it's pathetic. 31 00:01:56,358 --> 00:01:57,489 I mail 'em out every day. 32 00:01:57,558 --> 00:02:00,093 Every day, practically, to my house. 33 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:01,928 Hell, yeah. I got a whole collection 34 00:02:01,997 --> 00:02:04,629 of those fucking stupid stickers. 35 00:02:04,698 --> 00:02:07,266 SAM: Yo, Pat, did you-- Are you high right now 36 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:08,567 -a little bit? -Little bit. 37 00:02:08,636 --> 00:02:10,335 -SAM: Little bit? Nice. -Little bit. 38 00:02:10,404 --> 00:02:12,238 SAM: Let's go. Let's go get-- Let's head in. 39 00:02:12,307 --> 00:02:13,640 Fucking, let's sell some stickers, guys. 40 00:02:13,709 --> 00:02:14,941 -You guys ready? -PATRICK: I'm ready. 41 00:02:15,010 --> 00:02:17,176 -SAM: All right, let's do it. -BILLY FEDOR: Let's go. 42 00:02:17,245 --> 00:02:20,483 ♪ ("OH HAIL NO" BY EL-P PLAYING) ♪ 43 00:02:21,249 --> 00:02:24,220 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 44 00:02:26,889 --> 00:02:31,928 (TELEPHONE CONTINUES RINGING) 45 00:02:36,965 --> 00:02:38,797 RECEIVER: Hello. 46 00:02:38,866 --> 00:02:40,432 JAMES CHESTNUT: This is James Chestnut calling 47 00:02:40,501 --> 00:02:41,633 on behalf of New Jersey State 48 00:02:41,702 --> 00:02:43,337 Law Enforcement Officers Association. 49 00:02:43,406 --> 00:02:44,537 Good evening to you. 50 00:02:44,606 --> 00:02:46,639 PATRICK: Contributions and gifts are not tax-deductible. 51 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:49,345 Ninety-five, Malcolm. Solid as a rock. 52 00:02:57,485 --> 00:02:59,322 -Ah! Whoo! -(TELEMARKETERS LAUGHING) 53 00:03:05,761 --> 00:03:07,263 (ED HILGER YELLING) 54 00:03:12,367 --> 00:03:14,166 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 55 00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:15,601 ♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪ 56 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:19,171 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,573 -Hi. Mm. Mm. -(WATER BUBBLING) 58 00:03:21,642 --> 00:03:26,612 SAM: I started working at CDG when I was this 14-year-old kid. 59 00:03:26,681 --> 00:03:28,313 SAM'S FRIEND: Oh, look at all that smoke! 60 00:03:28,382 --> 00:03:31,616 SAM: I had just dropped out of the ninth grade. 61 00:03:31,685 --> 00:03:35,188 -(ENGINE ACCELERATING) -SAM: Whoa, whoa, whoa! 62 00:03:35,257 --> 00:03:37,856 I didn't even wanna fucking work there. 63 00:03:37,925 --> 00:03:41,260 I just wanted to hang out and paint graffiti and film me 64 00:03:41,329 --> 00:03:45,264 and my scumbag friends being little pieces of shit. 65 00:03:45,333 --> 00:03:48,200 But my parents said I had to get a job, 66 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:51,770 and Civic Development Group, CDG for short, 67 00:03:51,839 --> 00:03:55,670 was the only place that wanted to hire someone my age. 68 00:03:55,739 --> 00:03:58,614 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 69 00:04:00,744 --> 00:04:02,714 It was fine, baby. 70 00:04:02,783 --> 00:04:05,554 -TELEMARKETER 1: Here's my day at work. -(TELEMARKETER 2 CHEERS) 71 00:04:06,954 --> 00:04:11,324 SAM: Before I came to CDG, I had, like, a mental image 72 00:04:11,393 --> 00:04:14,897 of what I thought telemarketing was. 73 00:04:16,699 --> 00:04:17,596 Yeah! 74 00:04:17,665 --> 00:04:20,099 -SAM: This was not it. -TELEMARKETER: Ooh! 75 00:04:20,168 --> 00:04:25,265 BILLY: They basically reinvented American telemarketing. 76 00:04:25,334 --> 00:04:28,844 The whole art was the brainchild of this operation. 77 00:04:30,778 --> 00:04:34,074 Every other telemarketer who drives you crazy, 78 00:04:34,143 --> 00:04:37,720 in the whole world, is because of CDG. 79 00:04:40,087 --> 00:04:44,089 SAM: Civic Development Group had been around since the '90s 80 00:04:44,158 --> 00:04:46,926 and had offices all over Jersey. 81 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:51,197 TOM WHITE: CDG came up with a tremendous idea. 82 00:04:51,266 --> 00:04:54,666 They would be the fundraising company 83 00:04:54,735 --> 00:04:58,537 for a lot of charitable organizations. 84 00:04:58,606 --> 00:05:01,007 Let's say you've got the firemen's organization 85 00:05:01,076 --> 00:05:02,307 in New Jersey. 86 00:05:02,376 --> 00:05:04,276 And when that firemen's organization 87 00:05:04,345 --> 00:05:05,812 does their own fundraising, 88 00:05:05,881 --> 00:05:09,982 let's say they get 175,000 bucks a year. 89 00:05:10,051 --> 00:05:12,784 Along comes CDG. And CDG says, 90 00:05:12,853 --> 00:05:17,456 "Boom! All you guys have to do is accept this check 91 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:21,895 for 350,000 dollars and allow us to use your name, 92 00:05:21,964 --> 00:05:24,663 and we'll take care of everything else." 93 00:05:24,732 --> 00:05:26,865 SAM: They told me that my job would be 94 00:05:26,934 --> 00:05:31,337 to make calls on behalf of charitable police groups. 95 00:05:31,406 --> 00:05:34,507 Ten bucks an hour, no commission. 96 00:05:34,576 --> 00:05:36,241 Hi, this is Sabrina and I'm calling 97 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:38,244 on behalf of the New Jersey State 98 00:05:38,313 --> 00:05:41,280 Law Enforcement Officers Association. 99 00:05:41,349 --> 00:05:44,450 Lodge One is conducting a fall fund drive. 100 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:45,885 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -Thirty-five dollars 101 00:05:45,954 --> 00:05:47,887 for the gold level, 25 dollars for the silver. 102 00:05:47,956 --> 00:05:49,923 All they ask is that you send back the 55 dollars 103 00:05:49,992 --> 00:05:52,058 as soon as you get the pledge kit in the mail. 104 00:05:52,127 --> 00:05:53,225 Can they count on that? 105 00:05:53,294 --> 00:05:54,293 (TELEMARKETER LAUGHS) 106 00:05:54,362 --> 00:05:57,997 -TELEMARKETER: -MANAGER: 107 00:05:58,066 --> 00:06:02,001 -TELEMARKETER: -MANAGER: 108 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:05,805 SAM: We'd call for dozens of different organizations, 109 00:06:05,874 --> 00:06:07,807 but most of them were state lodges 110 00:06:07,876 --> 00:06:11,510 of the Fraternal Order of Police. 111 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:13,512 REPORTER 1: The Fraternal Order of Police, 112 00:06:13,581 --> 00:06:16,315 the largest law enforcement union in the world, 113 00:06:16,384 --> 00:06:20,019 with more than 325,000 members nationwide. 114 00:06:20,088 --> 00:06:21,524 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 115 00:06:22,390 --> 00:06:23,488 BRIAN GOETZ: The reality of it 116 00:06:23,557 --> 00:06:25,591 is people wanna help the police, you know? 117 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:28,127 There're some people that are gonna say yes, 118 00:06:28,196 --> 00:06:29,289 no matter what. 119 00:06:29,358 --> 00:06:31,731 You could be the fucking biggest doofus salesman 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,433 that ever lived. They love the police. 121 00:06:34,502 --> 00:06:35,700 SABRINA ROSS: This is the place 122 00:06:35,769 --> 00:06:37,937 where you know you could definitely get a job. 123 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:41,240 Whoever can talk and read, you were in, you know. 124 00:06:41,309 --> 00:06:43,913 As long as you made your little quota, you could stay. 125 00:06:44,913 --> 00:06:50,686 SAM: 126 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,521 'Cause it was a fun place to be. 127 00:06:54,590 --> 00:06:55,687 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 128 00:06:55,756 --> 00:06:57,256 TELEMARKETER: ♪ Yo You can't see me, B ♪ 129 00:06:57,325 --> 00:07:00,093 ♪ I'm trying to work here Forever at my job at CDG ♪ 130 00:07:00,162 --> 00:07:03,228 It was just like you were going to a big-ass cookout, 131 00:07:03,297 --> 00:07:04,531 every fucking day. 132 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,897 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 133 00:07:05,966 --> 00:07:08,768 TOM: You gotta understand something. CDG was a crucible. 134 00:07:08,837 --> 00:07:11,170 It takes a certain kind of person 135 00:07:11,239 --> 00:07:13,305 to be able to sit down 136 00:07:13,374 --> 00:07:15,409 in front of that computer monitor 137 00:07:15,478 --> 00:07:16,943 and just make calls, 138 00:07:17,012 --> 00:07:19,011 and just keep calling, keep calling. 139 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,050 So, we would allow the guys to do whatever they needed to do 140 00:07:24,119 --> 00:07:25,551 to get through their shift. 141 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:27,552 TELEMARKETER: That's pretty good. 142 00:07:27,621 --> 00:07:29,988 Sean speaking. How can I help you today, buddy? 143 00:07:30,057 --> 00:07:32,625 BILLY: You could smoke a joint, you could drink a beer. 144 00:07:32,694 --> 00:07:34,421 They didn't care what you did. 145 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:37,964 You sell, you're good. You don't sell, you suck. 146 00:07:38,033 --> 00:07:39,465 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 147 00:07:39,534 --> 00:07:40,834 SAM: You know, I'm working at this place, 148 00:07:40,903 --> 00:07:42,502 and I'm like, "I have to document this. 149 00:07:42,571 --> 00:07:44,573 This is fucking insane." 150 00:07:47,475 --> 00:07:49,209 BRIAN: You didn't wanna be there. 151 00:07:49,278 --> 00:07:51,180 (LAUGHS) 152 00:07:52,546 --> 00:07:54,380 But the thing was you were always smart. 153 00:07:54,449 --> 00:07:55,881 That's the most important thing to me. 154 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:58,818 You gotta have a decent voice. You gotta be smart. 155 00:07:58,887 --> 00:08:01,320 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -Hello? 156 00:08:01,389 --> 00:08:03,257 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 157 00:08:03,326 --> 00:08:04,961 Hi, uh, Derek. 158 00:08:06,761 --> 00:08:10,596 Uh, Sam Lipman-Stern calling on behalf of the Washington DC 159 00:08:10,665 --> 00:08:13,233 Fraternal Order of Police Lodge Number one. 160 00:08:13,302 --> 00:08:14,900 Good evening. 161 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:18,637 Just this last year, 163 police officers were killed 162 00:08:18,706 --> 00:08:21,707 in the line of duty across the United States. 163 00:08:21,775 --> 00:08:23,910 And whenever any Delaware police officer 164 00:08:23,979 --> 00:08:26,045 is injured or killed in the line of duty, 165 00:08:26,114 --> 00:08:29,516 the state FOP will offer to provide financial assistance 166 00:08:29,585 --> 00:08:31,084 to them and their families. 167 00:08:31,153 --> 00:08:33,923 Now, Lisa, these families, they do need your support. 168 00:08:35,023 --> 00:08:35,855 Click. 169 00:08:35,924 --> 00:08:37,189 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 170 00:08:37,258 --> 00:08:39,926 JAMES: This is the hardest job you will ever have. 171 00:08:39,994 --> 00:08:40,960 I'm a scumbag. 172 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:44,091 I'm annoying you at dinnertime and you're like, 173 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,669 "Fuck you. Stop calling me." 174 00:08:47,168 --> 00:08:49,205 RECEIVER: 175 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:54,873 BRIAN: You always had to say "on behalf of," 176 00:08:54,942 --> 00:08:56,908 you were never a part of the Fraternal Order of Police. 177 00:08:56,977 --> 00:08:59,478 You were never a cop. You were calling on behalf of 'em. 178 00:08:59,547 --> 00:09:00,914 You had to know your disclosures. 179 00:09:00,983 --> 00:09:02,581 'Cause if you didn't say those disclosures, 180 00:09:02,650 --> 00:09:04,050 they'd take you right off the phone. 181 00:09:04,119 --> 00:09:06,953 SAM: The other rule is that you had to tell people 182 00:09:07,022 --> 00:09:09,856 how much the charity was getting, 183 00:09:09,925 --> 00:09:12,195 which was usually about ten percent. 184 00:09:12,695 --> 00:09:13,793 It sounded low, 185 00:09:13,862 --> 00:09:15,895 but the managers would always say, 186 00:09:15,964 --> 00:09:17,697 "Ten percent of something is better 187 00:09:17,766 --> 00:09:19,965 than 100 percent of nothing." 188 00:09:20,034 --> 00:09:22,868 FARUQ DAVIS: But we didn't have to disclose all the details 189 00:09:22,937 --> 00:09:25,532 unless they asked specifically. 190 00:09:25,601 --> 00:09:27,106 The person we'd call on the other line went like, 191 00:09:27,175 --> 00:09:30,909 "Oh, so they only get ten percent, you keep the 90? 192 00:09:30,978 --> 00:09:35,915 So, if I give you 100 bucks, you only give them ten dollars?" 193 00:09:35,984 --> 00:09:38,017 You gotta say, "Yeah," 'cause it's the truth. 194 00:09:38,086 --> 00:09:41,353 It really tested your rebuttal skills, you know? 195 00:09:41,422 --> 00:09:45,458 We just wouldn't take no for an answer, no matter what. 196 00:09:45,527 --> 00:09:47,863 They had a rebuttal for everything. 197 00:09:48,831 --> 00:09:50,462 It doesn't matter what you... 198 00:09:50,531 --> 00:09:51,731 You could've said, "My mom just died." 199 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,365 They had a rebuttal for that. 200 00:09:53,434 --> 00:09:56,202 Your house just burned down, John? 201 00:09:56,271 --> 00:09:58,437 Was it completely totaled? 202 00:09:58,506 --> 00:09:59,906 Now, John, I don't wanna burden you 203 00:09:59,975 --> 00:10:02,376 but we do have a bronze at 20 dollars, 204 00:10:02,445 --> 00:10:04,113 or a booster at 15? 205 00:10:05,341 --> 00:10:06,245 BRIAN: And if you guys remember, 206 00:10:06,314 --> 00:10:08,747 there was rebuttals hung in the cubicle, 207 00:10:08,816 --> 00:10:11,084 like how could you not read that card right there, 208 00:10:11,153 --> 00:10:13,419 and when they say this, you say that 209 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:15,755 and be able to spit it right at 'em. 210 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:17,123 You know, they always used to tell me, 211 00:10:17,192 --> 00:10:19,225 "Oh, it's tested. We test this, test that." 212 00:10:19,294 --> 00:10:22,595 I can't complain with the fucking process, man. That shit worked. 213 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:23,795 As a paid solicitor with CDG, 214 00:10:23,864 --> 00:10:25,898 I'm gonna send you out the new police decal. 215 00:10:25,967 --> 00:10:29,168 Please display it proudly to show your support. 216 00:10:29,237 --> 00:10:31,603 The decal, it was just some flimsy shit. 217 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:34,673 Like, you can make it at, like, OfficeMax. 218 00:10:34,742 --> 00:10:36,508 As a way of saying, thanks for your support, 219 00:10:36,577 --> 00:10:40,579 I'm gonna send you out a new 2007 police card and decal. 220 00:10:40,648 --> 00:10:42,448 Do me a favor and just slap the decal 221 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:43,683 on the back of the vehicle. 222 00:10:43,752 --> 00:10:45,184 Do me a favor, you put the decal 223 00:10:45,253 --> 00:10:48,487 on the back of the vehicle and the card inside your wallet 224 00:10:48,556 --> 00:10:50,624 to show your proud continued support 225 00:10:50,693 --> 00:10:52,625 for these fallen officers. 226 00:10:52,694 --> 00:10:55,028 When we would get asked questions of like 227 00:10:55,096 --> 00:10:57,129 what this decal actually did... (CHUCKLES) 228 00:10:57,198 --> 00:10:59,298 ...well, we were told to not say, 229 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,300 "This will get you out of a ticket." We would say, 230 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:04,937 "This may be able to get you out of a ticket." 231 00:11:05,006 --> 00:11:07,373 BRIAN: The guy who trained me used to say, 232 00:11:07,442 --> 00:11:08,674 "I'm selling stickers." 233 00:11:08,743 --> 00:11:10,109 We're gonna give you this fucking sticker 234 00:11:10,178 --> 00:11:11,677 to put on your car, you're gonna think 235 00:11:11,746 --> 00:11:13,245 it's gonna stop you from getting tickets. 236 00:11:13,314 --> 00:11:16,448 And that's what CDG was, that was how CDG got built. 237 00:11:16,517 --> 00:11:20,386 Donation levels to help out. The gold, the big one is 35. 238 00:11:20,455 --> 00:11:23,956 The smaller silver still goes a long way for 25. 239 00:11:24,025 --> 00:11:25,958 Could you reach up high and do the gold? 240 00:11:26,027 --> 00:11:27,993 Or you wanna just play it safe with the silver? 241 00:11:28,062 --> 00:11:30,629 This 35 is fantastic, Patricia. 242 00:11:30,698 --> 00:11:32,998 And I wanna thank you very much for being a hero 243 00:11:33,067 --> 00:11:35,234 for the state of New Jersey, and for these families. 244 00:11:35,303 --> 00:11:36,803 (PATRICIA SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY OVER PHONE) 245 00:11:36,872 --> 00:11:38,604 Let me just doublecheck the mailing address 246 00:11:38,673 --> 00:11:39,872 to make sure it gets over to you... 247 00:11:39,941 --> 00:11:42,074 I'd raise about 1,000 dollars a day 248 00:11:42,143 --> 00:11:44,981 in these tiny dribs and drabs. 249 00:11:46,248 --> 00:11:50,216 I didn't think I was doing anything bad at all. 250 00:11:50,285 --> 00:11:53,652 I just thought that this was some shitty job 251 00:11:53,721 --> 00:11:56,489 and this is how police raised their money. 252 00:11:56,558 --> 00:11:59,124 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 253 00:11:59,193 --> 00:12:02,231 SAM: I probably met Big Ed when I was like 16. 254 00:12:03,364 --> 00:12:04,830 BRIAN: I don't think I'm exaggerating 255 00:12:04,899 --> 00:12:07,633 when I say he was probably like 400 pounds. 256 00:12:07,702 --> 00:12:09,636 The funniest dude I've ever been around. 257 00:12:09,705 --> 00:12:11,037 One of the best salesmen. 258 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:13,906 You put him in a fucking room one-on-one against anybody, 259 00:12:13,975 --> 00:12:16,845 that motherfucker's winning. He was nasty. 260 00:12:17,512 --> 00:12:20,747 SAM: 261 00:12:20,815 --> 00:12:21,981 Oh, absolutely. 262 00:12:22,050 --> 00:12:23,750 SAM: 263 00:12:23,819 --> 00:12:24,918 ED: What, man? 264 00:12:24,987 --> 00:12:26,553 SAM: He told me that he had filmed 265 00:12:26,622 --> 00:12:28,187 some footage at CDG, 266 00:12:28,256 --> 00:12:30,059 -like, a few years back. -ED: ...Magnum P.I. 267 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:34,327 -Look at this shit. -(TELEMARKETER YAWNS) 268 00:12:34,396 --> 00:12:37,229 ED: Fucking piece of-- There he goes. Old man Winter. 269 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:38,798 -WINTER: What's up? -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 270 00:12:38,867 --> 00:12:40,203 (ED LAUGHING) 271 00:12:45,007 --> 00:12:47,373 This is the place where I usually clean up. 272 00:12:47,442 --> 00:12:49,345 (LAUGHS) 273 00:12:50,678 --> 00:12:54,514 SAM: It was actually Ed's idea that we start filming 274 00:12:54,583 --> 00:12:55,581 CDG together. 275 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:57,349 -ED: Ray Liotta. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 276 00:12:57,418 --> 00:12:59,252 SAM: It was like, "Let's just film how weird 277 00:12:59,321 --> 00:13:01,688 this place is and put it on YouTube." 278 00:13:01,757 --> 00:13:03,089 (TELEMARKETERS LAUGHING) 279 00:13:03,158 --> 00:13:04,957 -PATRICK: Zoom in. -Sam, this is bad for the movie. 280 00:13:05,026 --> 00:13:06,159 For the Pespas movie. 281 00:13:06,228 --> 00:13:08,161 ...if you'd like to have it sent out. 282 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:09,729 So, just let them know that you'd like... 283 00:13:09,798 --> 00:13:11,130 SAM: That's a live turtle? 284 00:13:11,199 --> 00:13:13,733 TELEMARKETER: Twenty-dollar bronze and a 15-dollar booster. 285 00:13:13,802 --> 00:13:17,070 This book is a record of the customers 286 00:13:17,139 --> 00:13:20,039 that I didn't like, and maybe I'd put their address 287 00:13:20,108 --> 00:13:22,912 and the details of how they pissed me off. 288 00:13:24,046 --> 00:13:26,178 If I ever snap, it's nice to know... (CHUCKLES) 289 00:13:26,247 --> 00:13:28,884 ...that I have a list of people to go after. 290 00:13:29,918 --> 00:13:32,085 -SAM: What's up Sabrina? -Hi. 291 00:13:32,154 --> 00:13:33,986 SAM: What are you looking for in a man? 292 00:13:34,055 --> 00:13:36,159 I'm looking for a man... 293 00:13:37,292 --> 00:13:39,586 that is not crazy. 294 00:13:39,655 --> 00:13:42,361 I'm looking for a man that has a job, 295 00:13:42,430 --> 00:13:44,797 some type of job, has to be something. 296 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:46,830 He has to have a big dick... 297 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:49,939 and he has to be into fellatio. 298 00:13:51,673 --> 00:13:53,109 -SAM: Um-- -Front and back. 299 00:13:54,242 --> 00:13:57,280 Don't eat it like a puppy. I don't like that shit. 300 00:13:57,979 --> 00:13:59,178 And lick the crack, too. 301 00:13:59,247 --> 00:14:01,217 Don't just focus on the booty hole. 302 00:14:03,451 --> 00:14:06,051 SAM: Even though nobody made any commission, 303 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,354 there were some guys who thought they were master salesmen 304 00:14:09,423 --> 00:14:12,295 and took the job really seriously. 305 00:14:12,994 --> 00:14:15,031 CDG has been good to me. 306 00:14:15,897 --> 00:14:18,031 It has been real good to me. 307 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:20,166 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 308 00:14:20,235 --> 00:14:22,602 SAM: These were the guys that Big Ed just liked 309 00:14:22,671 --> 00:14:24,173 to fucking torture. 310 00:14:25,673 --> 00:14:29,378 -(ED YELLING, LAUGHING) -I'm... Get away from me. 311 00:14:31,747 --> 00:14:35,214 ED: Larry, um, how do you feel 312 00:14:35,283 --> 00:14:38,051 about how telemarketing in general? 313 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,986 Well, it's a much-needed service. 314 00:14:40,055 --> 00:14:43,356 -I mean... -ED: Well needed by whom? 315 00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:48,093 Well, needed-- needed by most businesses and then... 316 00:14:48,162 --> 00:14:51,531 I mean, in the case of CDG, it provides a public service 317 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,065 almost by accident. 318 00:14:53,134 --> 00:14:55,100 ED: By doing what? 319 00:14:55,169 --> 00:14:58,504 Providing jobs to people that are unemployable. 320 00:14:58,573 --> 00:15:01,140 What I mean by that is very simple. 321 00:15:01,209 --> 00:15:04,010 Most of the people that worked at CDG 322 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:06,811 had questionable pasts. 323 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,011 BILLY: It was just high school students, people in transition, 324 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,053 teachers, or other people just trying to earn extra money, 325 00:15:14,122 --> 00:15:16,122 but for the most part, it was a lot of criminals 326 00:15:16,191 --> 00:15:17,690 that couldn't get other jobs 327 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:19,191 because they had criminal records. 328 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:21,526 We had a bunch of criminals in that motherfucker, man. 329 00:15:21,595 --> 00:15:24,563 We had... (LAUGHS) We had criminals in there, 330 00:15:24,632 --> 00:15:27,333 probably every other cubicle. You know what I'm saying? 331 00:15:27,402 --> 00:15:29,135 You don't know who's working next to you. 332 00:15:29,204 --> 00:15:33,206 There's no background checks, there's no drug testing. 333 00:15:33,275 --> 00:15:35,240 Dudes flip out at the drop of a hat 334 00:15:35,309 --> 00:15:36,675 and you just gotta deal with it. 335 00:15:36,744 --> 00:15:40,146 SABRINA: CDG is just like anything you could ever imagine 336 00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:43,415 in a gangster film, right in front of you. 337 00:15:43,484 --> 00:15:45,284 It was like, "Who's going to get shot, 338 00:15:45,353 --> 00:15:48,454 or robbed?" Every day was a new adventure. 339 00:15:48,523 --> 00:15:50,556 Every other person was a drug dealer. 340 00:15:50,625 --> 00:15:53,126 Like, either a drug dealer that wasn't caught yet, 341 00:15:53,195 --> 00:15:55,895 or a drug dealer that just got out of jail 342 00:15:55,964 --> 00:15:57,262 yesterday or a week ago. 343 00:15:57,331 --> 00:15:59,398 You come up in there, you can buy some coke, 344 00:15:59,467 --> 00:16:02,168 you can buy some dope, you can buy some Viagra 345 00:16:02,237 --> 00:16:04,237 if your thing really ain't working right. 346 00:16:04,306 --> 00:16:06,906 Motherfuckers was in there selling pit bulls. 347 00:16:06,975 --> 00:16:10,109 Everything you need right there. Pussy... 348 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:12,444 ED: What the hell wrong with you? 349 00:16:12,513 --> 00:16:14,413 BILLY: CDG would send their managers 350 00:16:14,482 --> 00:16:17,583 and recruit directly at the halfway houses. 351 00:16:17,652 --> 00:16:19,818 It was just an unlimited supply of workers. 352 00:16:19,887 --> 00:16:22,555 X SANTINO THA GOD: I caught CDG coming out of the halfway house, man. 353 00:16:22,624 --> 00:16:25,257 Like, I went to jail at 23, I come home at 30, 354 00:16:25,326 --> 00:16:27,359 you know what I'm saying? I ain't have nothing at all. 355 00:16:27,428 --> 00:16:32,565 Nowhere to live, no real bread, no real clothes. 356 00:16:32,634 --> 00:16:35,234 I got a job in six days. 357 00:16:35,303 --> 00:16:38,705 I'm on motherfucking ecstasy calling for the cops, 358 00:16:38,774 --> 00:16:40,105 high as hell. 359 00:16:40,174 --> 00:16:42,102 Like, "The cops need some money." 360 00:16:42,171 --> 00:16:44,210 Motherfucker on the phone going, "I don't fuck with cops." 361 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:46,611 I'm saying to them like, "I don't either." 362 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,850 FARUQ: You had people who were committing criminal activities 363 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:53,719 inside and outside of the office, 364 00:16:53,788 --> 00:16:56,255 but we're calling for policemen. 365 00:16:56,324 --> 00:16:58,625 When you look at it from the outside looking in, 366 00:16:58,694 --> 00:16:59,959 it doesn't make sense. 367 00:17:00,028 --> 00:17:02,929 Society looks at you like you're a scumbag, 368 00:17:02,998 --> 00:17:05,564 but the people you look to to keep you safe 369 00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:08,801 look to us to put money in their safes. 370 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:11,437 SAM: I agree. Totally. Cool. 371 00:17:11,506 --> 00:17:13,973 That was dope. Go back to work. 372 00:17:14,042 --> 00:17:15,307 (CHUCKLES) 373 00:17:15,376 --> 00:17:19,678 -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 374 00:17:19,747 --> 00:17:22,248 BRIAN: People can talk about the negatives all day long 375 00:17:22,317 --> 00:17:24,216 and think, "These guys are scumbags," or whatever, 376 00:17:24,285 --> 00:17:26,385 they don't understand camaraderie of the dudes 377 00:17:26,454 --> 00:17:28,354 that be in these offices is like, 378 00:17:28,423 --> 00:17:30,589 you're in there together, you're in the trenches. 379 00:17:30,658 --> 00:17:32,458 The same thing as being in the army. 380 00:17:32,527 --> 00:17:34,694 Putting in time, being in fucking jail. 381 00:17:34,763 --> 00:17:37,296 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 382 00:17:37,365 --> 00:17:39,799 How did your tweezer stretch it out so much? 383 00:17:39,868 --> 00:17:41,500 (LAUGHS MOCKINGLY) 384 00:17:41,569 --> 00:17:43,202 SAM: Dude, you're the man. Move your head. 385 00:17:43,271 --> 00:17:45,437 SABRINA: It was a big dysfunctional family. 386 00:17:45,506 --> 00:17:47,574 -You was a part of it too, Sam. -SAM: Yeah. 387 00:17:47,643 --> 00:17:48,440 SABRINA: Remember? 388 00:17:48,509 --> 00:17:49,908 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -Video taping 389 00:17:49,977 --> 00:17:52,278 -what's going on here. -TELEMARKETER: (CHUCKLES) Oh, Shit. 390 00:17:52,347 --> 00:17:55,348 -Don't act like you don't know, Sam. -(SAM CHUCKLES) 391 00:17:55,417 --> 00:17:56,285 Shit. 392 00:17:57,185 --> 00:17:59,151 SAM: You had to be crazy. 393 00:17:59,220 --> 00:18:02,254 'Cause most people, they couldn't handle it. 394 00:18:02,323 --> 00:18:05,157 I wasn't in a good place when I worked at CDG. 395 00:18:05,226 --> 00:18:07,060 I don't think most people were. 396 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:09,594 But maybe that was how the owners liked it. 397 00:18:09,663 --> 00:18:11,230 BRIAN: We were the number one office 398 00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:13,199 in the whole entire company. 399 00:18:13,268 --> 00:18:17,803 We went out to an awards dinner and we won everything. 400 00:18:17,872 --> 00:18:19,566 I don't know if you remember, 401 00:18:19,635 --> 00:18:21,507 -but we brought this shit back, it looked like the Stanley Cup. -SAM: Yeah. 402 00:18:21,576 --> 00:18:22,774 BRIAN: We had it in the fucking office and shit. 403 00:18:22,843 --> 00:18:24,810 Me and Pete used to drink beers out of it. 404 00:18:24,879 --> 00:18:27,546 It was like a Super Bowl. Like, everybody did this together. 405 00:18:27,615 --> 00:18:31,484 -(TELEMARKETERS CHEERING) -We're the office of the year! 406 00:18:31,553 --> 00:18:34,186 -TELEMARKETER: Oh, yes, we did. -(TELEMARKETERS CHEER) 407 00:18:34,255 --> 00:18:35,755 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC FADES) ♪ 408 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:37,293 SAM: Hey, Pat. 409 00:18:40,796 --> 00:18:42,590 -How's it going? -Good. 410 00:18:42,659 --> 00:18:45,231 SAM: Good. Making sales? 411 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,233 -Yeah, I'm doing good today. -SAM: Nice. 412 00:18:47,302 --> 00:18:51,838 (OVERLAPPING CHATTER IN BACKGROUND) 413 00:18:51,907 --> 00:18:54,573 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 414 00:18:54,642 --> 00:18:57,710 BILLY: The craziest thing I ever saw at CDG 415 00:18:57,779 --> 00:19:01,347 was probably just like what they let Pat get away with. 416 00:19:01,416 --> 00:19:04,083 You know, being high, doing heroin 417 00:19:04,152 --> 00:19:05,551 right in the bathroom. Everybody knew it. 418 00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:08,553 We got-- We got Pat The Tapper right over there. 419 00:19:08,622 --> 00:19:11,123 SAM: Come on, Pat. Sell those stickers. 420 00:19:11,192 --> 00:19:13,559 My nigga, Pat Pespas. Yeah, man. 421 00:19:13,628 --> 00:19:15,227 We used to call him Pat The Tapper, 422 00:19:15,296 --> 00:19:17,266 AKA, Pat The Smacker. 423 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,368 Hello. 424 00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:23,536 BILLY: He would just be passing out at his desk, 425 00:19:23,605 --> 00:19:25,838 but still getting sales half asleep, 426 00:19:25,907 --> 00:19:29,378 you know, doing the dope nod and just still closing people. 427 00:19:30,846 --> 00:19:31,814 Hello. 428 00:19:33,582 --> 00:19:35,314 Hi, uh, Syrin? 429 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:39,852 Like, this nigga like this and jump up, "Hi, I'm Pat." 430 00:19:39,921 --> 00:19:41,553 Well, I do understand, um... 431 00:19:41,622 --> 00:19:43,488 X: You know, what I mean? Like, he goes straight 432 00:19:43,557 --> 00:19:45,124 into the script. Good caller. 433 00:19:45,193 --> 00:19:46,458 Financial assistance... 434 00:19:46,527 --> 00:19:47,792 BILLY: I don't even know half the time if he knew 435 00:19:47,861 --> 00:19:49,462 what he was saying to the people on the phone 436 00:19:49,531 --> 00:19:51,030 and they would just give him money. 437 00:19:51,099 --> 00:19:52,231 Like, it was just amazing. 438 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:54,967 Pat made that company a lot of money. 439 00:19:55,036 --> 00:19:56,869 They used to kiss Pat's ass. 440 00:19:56,938 --> 00:19:59,271 Pat Pespas, about two weeks ago, 441 00:19:59,340 --> 00:20:02,208 he did, like, 350 an hour and that's all day. 442 00:20:02,277 --> 00:20:05,010 -ED: Speaking of dope. -Pat fucking Pespas. 443 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:07,742 -BILLY: Oh, everybody loved Pat. -♪ (MUSIC TURNS SOFT) ♪ 444 00:20:07,811 --> 00:20:09,082 He had that drug problem, 445 00:20:09,151 --> 00:20:10,983 but everybody loved him just the same. 446 00:20:11,052 --> 00:20:12,588 Yo, Pat, Pat, Pat. 447 00:20:16,191 --> 00:20:19,058 Yo, nothing like that on TV. No, no, no. 448 00:20:19,127 --> 00:20:20,726 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC FADES) ♪ 449 00:20:20,795 --> 00:20:23,797 Me and my buddy grew some pot in a ditch, 450 00:20:23,866 --> 00:20:25,565 on the side of a highway, 451 00:20:25,634 --> 00:20:28,067 and they charged me like, um, 452 00:20:28,136 --> 00:20:32,105 a CDS manufacturing facility. 453 00:20:32,174 --> 00:20:34,439 -Like, here I am... -SUE ORIN: What did they charge you? 454 00:20:34,508 --> 00:20:37,777 ...I threw a couple of pot seeds off the side of the road, 455 00:20:37,846 --> 00:20:39,112 on a major highway, 456 00:20:39,181 --> 00:20:41,513 and it happened to grow by accident. 457 00:20:41,582 --> 00:20:43,349 SUE: Uh, I think you're minimizing it a little bit. 458 00:20:43,418 --> 00:20:45,151 Well, I am minimizing it 459 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,519 a little bit, but that's-- 460 00:20:46,588 --> 00:20:48,520 SUE: Forty-eight pounds of pot seeds 461 00:20:48,589 --> 00:20:51,190 -on the side of the road. -Yeah, but that's a factory? 462 00:20:51,259 --> 00:20:54,493 Come on. Get real. Whatever. 463 00:20:54,562 --> 00:20:56,062 -Hey, Sue, come here. -SUE: What? 464 00:20:56,131 --> 00:20:57,330 -Just come here. -SUE: Dinner's ready. 465 00:20:57,399 --> 00:20:59,031 -All right, well come here. -SUE: What? 466 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:00,703 Come here. Come here. 467 00:21:01,831 --> 00:21:02,939 Come here. Come here. 468 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:04,971 Turn. 469 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,041 This is my lovely wife, Sue. Isn't she lovely? 470 00:21:08,110 --> 00:21:10,413 (SAM CHUCKLING) 471 00:21:10,845 --> 00:21:12,545 SUE: 472 00:21:12,614 --> 00:21:15,014 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 473 00:21:15,083 --> 00:21:19,451 Pat was very sweet. Like such an innocent soul. 474 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,426 He never did nobody wrong. He was just like sweetest thing. 475 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,695 I remember Pat speaking about justice 476 00:21:28,764 --> 00:21:31,563 and how things were just not right. 477 00:21:31,632 --> 00:21:35,301 PATRICK: If it's gonna cost money for big corporations 478 00:21:35,370 --> 00:21:38,403 in this country to do away with global warming, 479 00:21:38,472 --> 00:21:40,372 it's gonna be very slow to happen. 480 00:21:40,441 --> 00:21:44,143 As a matter of fact, when Bush took office, 481 00:21:44,212 --> 00:21:47,179 he denied global warming even existed. 482 00:21:47,248 --> 00:21:52,017 Only now, does he make a very remote, 483 00:21:52,086 --> 00:21:53,920 "Well, it might be happening." 484 00:21:53,989 --> 00:21:56,722 -Yeah, right, pal. -SAM: Does this mean a, uh... 485 00:21:56,791 --> 00:21:59,592 an end to the world through global warming? 486 00:21:59,661 --> 00:22:01,426 I don't know about-- Well, yeah, 487 00:22:01,495 --> 00:22:04,197 -if we don't act soon. Yeah. -SAM: Are we gonna still gonna go to that restaurant... 488 00:22:04,266 --> 00:22:07,233 Pat and I became friends right away, 489 00:22:07,302 --> 00:22:09,402 and he was like, "You should film me." 490 00:22:09,471 --> 00:22:10,770 You gotta love this place. 491 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:12,338 SAM: "Let's make a movie about the life 492 00:22:12,407 --> 00:22:14,106 of a CDG employee." 493 00:22:14,175 --> 00:22:16,045 Patrick J. Pespas The Movie. 494 00:22:17,111 --> 00:22:19,145 How do you feel about the camera? Is it friend? 495 00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:20,745 -It's my friend. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 496 00:22:20,814 --> 00:22:22,715 SAM: Oh, that's good. It's good you act that way. 497 00:22:22,784 --> 00:22:24,887 The camera is your best friend. 498 00:22:27,489 --> 00:22:30,184 The rare interview with my mom. 499 00:22:30,253 --> 00:22:33,025 Hold on to your television sets. (CHUCKLES) 500 00:22:33,094 --> 00:22:34,894 -How you doing? -PAT'S MOM: Fine. How are you? 501 00:22:34,963 --> 00:22:36,863 -PATRICK: Sue's here. -PAT'S MOM: Who's that? 502 00:22:36,932 --> 00:22:38,697 -PATRICK: That's Sam Lipman-Stern. -SAM: Hi. 503 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:41,334 PATRICK: He's a producer and he's following me 504 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,636 around today with the video camera. 505 00:22:43,705 --> 00:22:45,372 What are you doing with him anyway? 506 00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:47,072 What's this all about? 507 00:22:47,141 --> 00:22:48,402 SAM: Well, we're pretty much-- 508 00:22:48,471 --> 00:22:51,543 we both work at this, uh, this telemarketing place. 509 00:22:51,612 --> 00:22:54,413 -Yeah. -SAM: And, uh, we're trying to-- 510 00:22:54,482 --> 00:22:55,715 And it's a very-- It's a shady... 511 00:22:55,784 --> 00:22:57,283 Did you know about that? Did he tell you 512 00:22:57,352 --> 00:22:59,318 about the place we work at? 513 00:22:59,387 --> 00:23:00,453 Yeah. Well, what about it? 514 00:23:00,522 --> 00:23:02,054 PATRICK: You wouldn't believe the people 515 00:23:02,123 --> 00:23:03,150 they have calling for, 516 00:23:03,219 --> 00:23:06,325 like, law enforcement organizations 517 00:23:06,394 --> 00:23:10,864 and, like, supposedly good charities, 518 00:23:10,933 --> 00:23:13,332 and it's like a big bullshit scam. 519 00:23:13,401 --> 00:23:16,669 (PAT'S MOM SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 520 00:23:16,738 --> 00:23:18,237 PATRICK: So now, we're putting together 521 00:23:18,306 --> 00:23:19,704 a documentary and now... 522 00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:21,507 PAT'S MOM: For what? What are you saying on there? 523 00:23:21,576 --> 00:23:23,046 -PATRICK: Um, well... -I don't get it. 524 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:30,119 I understand that, but what is the purpose of this? 525 00:23:32,782 --> 00:23:34,148 SAM: Nice. 526 00:23:34,217 --> 00:23:35,921 -PAT'S MOM: Uh. -SAM: I'd say like, 527 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:39,258 "What's your opinion of telemarketing?" 528 00:23:39,327 --> 00:23:42,294 -(LAUGHS) -They're a pain in the ass, 529 00:23:42,363 --> 00:23:43,763 -calling me up. -(COUGHS) 530 00:23:43,832 --> 00:23:45,865 SAM: And, uh, one more question. 531 00:23:45,934 --> 00:23:49,605 What's your opinion of Pat as a telemarketer? 532 00:23:50,773 --> 00:23:54,306 Well, I... I hear he's good at it. 533 00:23:54,375 --> 00:23:56,479 He's good with the bullshit lines. 534 00:23:56,945 --> 00:23:58,210 Yeah. Yeah. 535 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:01,784 ♪ ("CARRY ON WAYWARD SON" BY KANSAS PLAYING OVER RADIO) ♪ 536 00:24:03,051 --> 00:24:04,753 It's time to party, dude. 537 00:24:09,423 --> 00:24:10,589 SAM: All right, dude. 538 00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:12,525 -Now, we-- -SAM: Now, we go back to... 539 00:24:12,594 --> 00:24:15,761 Now, we gotta go back to CDG, but it'll be all right. 540 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:19,799 You know, get a little buzzed, make some crazy phone calls. 541 00:24:19,868 --> 00:24:21,901 -SAM: All right. -Put some old ladies down 542 00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:25,141 for their cigarette money. (LAUGHS) 543 00:24:26,035 --> 00:24:27,076 SAM: Straight up, dude. 544 00:24:30,212 --> 00:24:32,311 Wanna do this right here? Or should I start driving back? 545 00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:33,445 PATRICK: Ah, keep it on camera. 546 00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:34,947 SAM: All right, cool. Yeah, I don't know. 547 00:24:35,016 --> 00:24:36,849 -PATRICK: You should get this on camera. -SAM: Footage, dude. 548 00:24:36,918 --> 00:24:38,885 -PATRICK: We'll use this for footage. Yeah. -SAM: Oh, yeah. 549 00:24:38,954 --> 00:24:45,261 ♪ (SOFT ROCK SONG PLAYING OVER RADIO) ♪ 550 00:24:46,862 --> 00:24:50,696 (SNIFFS) 551 00:24:50,765 --> 00:24:53,702 PATRICK: The Bronx. The Bronx. 552 00:24:54,403 --> 00:24:55,600 SAM: The Bronx. 553 00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:59,505 PATRICK: People, don't try this at home. (LAUGHS) 554 00:24:59,574 --> 00:25:01,907 Now, we gotta smash the list. 555 00:25:01,976 --> 00:25:06,182 Either we get 200 dollars in an hour or we go home. 556 00:25:07,382 --> 00:25:12,555 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 557 00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:17,489 Hi. Good evening. My name is Patrick J. Pespas. 558 00:25:17,558 --> 00:25:19,992 I'm calling on behalf of the New Jersey State 559 00:25:20,061 --> 00:25:22,795 Law Enforcement Officers Association. 560 00:25:22,864 --> 00:25:24,863 And the reason for my call, believe it or not, 561 00:25:24,932 --> 00:25:28,367 this year, today, three brave New Jersey officers 562 00:25:28,436 --> 00:25:30,203 were killed in the line of duty. 563 00:25:30,272 --> 00:25:31,404 The New Jersey State 564 00:25:31,473 --> 00:25:33,439 Law Enforcement Officers Association 565 00:25:33,508 --> 00:25:35,041 has set up a fund providing 566 00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:36,809 financial assistance to the families 567 00:25:36,878 --> 00:25:40,480 of any New Jersey officer unfortunately killed 568 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:41,918 in the line of duty. 569 00:25:44,552 --> 00:25:47,720 And, uh, this year, the top donation of 95 570 00:25:47,789 --> 00:25:48,988 is the platinum level, 571 00:25:49,057 --> 00:25:51,724 but they do have a 75-dollar gold level. 572 00:25:51,793 --> 00:25:52,725 Could you reach up 573 00:25:52,794 --> 00:25:54,297 from one of them levels this year? 574 00:25:56,197 --> 00:25:59,002 Ninety-five is 100 percent comfortable for you? 575 00:26:00,501 --> 00:26:02,634 Oh, fantastic. It goes a long way to help. 576 00:26:02,703 --> 00:26:04,438 Thank you, Colleen, for being a supporter. 577 00:26:04,507 --> 00:26:06,340 God bless you. Thank you. 578 00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:10,276 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 579 00:26:10,345 --> 00:26:11,314 (LAUGHS) 580 00:26:13,582 --> 00:26:14,914 And, uh, if you noticed 581 00:26:14,983 --> 00:26:18,984 before I sniffed that bag of her-- (HESITATES) 582 00:26:19,053 --> 00:26:22,955 If you noticed, before I sniffed that bag, I couldn't get a sale. 583 00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:24,994 (LAUGHS) 584 00:26:25,794 --> 00:26:27,627 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 585 00:26:27,696 --> 00:26:30,496 SAM: We were all just in 586 00:26:30,565 --> 00:26:33,132 kind of like the bottom of society. 587 00:26:33,201 --> 00:26:35,435 -TELEMARKETER: Let her rip! -(SAM SNIFFS) 588 00:26:35,504 --> 00:26:38,470 I was in such a bad place, 589 00:26:38,539 --> 00:26:40,910 and I was in no place to judge. 590 00:26:48,116 --> 00:26:51,283 PATRICK: Well, I'm back here with my producer. 591 00:26:51,352 --> 00:26:54,390 SAM: We're telemarketers. We're hardcore. (LAUGHS) 592 00:26:56,458 --> 00:26:59,291 All right, so I'm gonna paint this one right here. 593 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,928 I bugged Pat to come paint graffiti with me 594 00:27:01,997 --> 00:27:04,529 behind CDG on lunch breaks. 595 00:27:04,598 --> 00:27:06,733 And Pat would be nervous about it. 596 00:27:06,802 --> 00:27:08,334 He'd be like, "We're gonna get caught. 597 00:27:08,403 --> 00:27:12,572 It's gonna fuck up my shit." But he'd come with me anyway. 598 00:27:12,641 --> 00:27:14,710 Eh, what the hell? Fuck it. 599 00:27:18,513 --> 00:27:21,648 SAM: I felt like he was maybe the only person in my life 600 00:27:21,717 --> 00:27:23,152 who believed in me. 601 00:27:24,419 --> 00:27:25,754 PATRICK: Ah, there you go. 602 00:27:28,089 --> 00:27:29,058 Beautiful. 603 00:27:32,328 --> 00:27:33,325 Nice. 604 00:27:33,394 --> 00:27:35,031 -SAM: Yeah. -PATRICK: Nice. 605 00:27:36,398 --> 00:27:38,334 Wow! 606 00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:40,560 First, I was just like, 607 00:27:40,629 --> 00:27:42,368 "Oh, I wanna be a documentary filmmaker." 608 00:27:42,437 --> 00:27:44,203 But then Pat was like, "Yo, there's some, like, 609 00:27:44,272 --> 00:27:46,839 -shady shit going on here." -BRIAN: Yeah, absolutely. 610 00:27:46,908 --> 00:27:48,074 SAM: It started turning into more 611 00:27:48,143 --> 00:27:49,909 of an investigation because of Pat. 612 00:27:49,978 --> 00:27:51,177 -Really? -SAM: Yeah, dude. 613 00:27:51,246 --> 00:27:55,375 -The plot thickens. (LAUGHS) -(SAM LAUGHS) 614 00:27:55,444 --> 00:27:56,916 Hey, guys. Patrick J. Pespas again. 615 00:27:56,985 --> 00:28:00,119 I'm here with Mark. He's a new CDG guy here. 616 00:28:00,188 --> 00:28:03,522 SAM: So how does it feel working with a bunch of ex-convicts? 617 00:28:03,591 --> 00:28:06,025 It's not bad. I'm on probation myself. 618 00:28:06,094 --> 00:28:08,661 -PATRICK: Ah, nice, nice. So am I. -SAM: Nice, okay. 619 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:09,896 -So am I. -SAM: So am I. 620 00:28:09,965 --> 00:28:11,330 Yeah. You know what? You know what, guys? 621 00:28:11,399 --> 00:28:14,133 Show this. Show this. You see, this says, 622 00:28:14,202 --> 00:28:15,934 -"Civic Development Group." -MARK SEWAREN: It stands 623 00:28:16,003 --> 00:28:17,971 -for Criminal Development Group. -PATRICK: No, no, no, no, no. 624 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,608 What CDG really stands for is "Criminals Doing Good." 625 00:28:21,677 --> 00:28:22,942 -(SAM LAUGHING) -(MARK LAUGHING) 626 00:28:23,011 --> 00:28:25,711 -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -PATRICK: Oh, man. 627 00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:28,247 That fucking place. Let me tell you, chief-- 628 00:28:28,316 --> 00:28:30,883 SUE: You have to be able to say, what's that word? Uh... 629 00:28:30,952 --> 00:28:32,251 Oh, benevolent. Yeah. 630 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,354 That's the only job requirement for CDG. 631 00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:38,427 You have to be able to pronounce "benevolent." 632 00:28:39,461 --> 00:28:42,028 They want people like me at CDG. 633 00:28:42,097 --> 00:28:44,396 This way they could pull all the shady crap 634 00:28:44,465 --> 00:28:46,626 that they figure you won't do nothing about it 635 00:28:46,695 --> 00:28:50,369 because you're doing shady crap to begin with. 636 00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:56,108 SAM: I never knew much about who actually ran CDG. 637 00:28:56,177 --> 00:28:58,978 People said there were like two groups of brothers, 638 00:28:59,047 --> 00:29:01,217 the Keezers and the Pasches. 639 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:04,249 All I knew was that one of them 640 00:29:04,318 --> 00:29:06,686 was in some terrible Christian rock band 641 00:29:06,755 --> 00:29:08,791 with a guy from the Spin Doctors. 642 00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:12,592 Didn't you tell me that you went to high school 643 00:29:12,661 --> 00:29:13,858 with some of the owners? 644 00:29:13,927 --> 00:29:15,627 PATRICK: Yeah, I went to school with the Pasches. 645 00:29:15,696 --> 00:29:19,532 They used to actually party with my brother, get wasted, 646 00:29:19,601 --> 00:29:21,934 do all kinds of crazy stuff. 647 00:29:22,003 --> 00:29:23,468 BILLY: These guys were innovators. 648 00:29:23,537 --> 00:29:27,173 They put together the scripts from their garage. 649 00:29:27,242 --> 00:29:30,910 It was like similar to the genesis of, like, Apple. 650 00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:32,916 Amazing. Amazing. 651 00:29:33,816 --> 00:29:35,781 PATRICK: When I went to CDG, 652 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:37,816 it was like the first day I was working there, 653 00:29:37,885 --> 00:29:40,886 they were calling for some Christian organization 654 00:29:40,955 --> 00:29:43,390 and the initials of the Christian organization 655 00:29:43,459 --> 00:29:44,323 were CASH. 656 00:29:44,392 --> 00:29:47,159 So, they would tell you to tell the people, 657 00:29:47,228 --> 00:29:51,698 tell them to make the check out to C-A-S-H, 658 00:29:51,767 --> 00:29:54,801 and they were the initials, CASH! 659 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:56,803 SUE: And how many stupid people did that? 660 00:29:56,872 --> 00:30:00,473 -Oh, probably a lot. -SUE: Stupid! 661 00:30:00,542 --> 00:30:02,107 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 662 00:30:02,176 --> 00:30:03,609 BILLY: Back then in the '90s, 663 00:30:03,678 --> 00:30:05,577 those guys would just say whatever. 664 00:30:05,646 --> 00:30:08,447 They'd be like, "Hey, yeah, this is Lieutenant Callahan, 665 00:30:08,516 --> 00:30:10,983 calling from the local FOP 48." 666 00:30:11,052 --> 00:30:12,852 BRIAN: In the old days, they would straight up 667 00:30:12,921 --> 00:30:14,648 tell people they were cops. 668 00:30:14,717 --> 00:30:16,956 "We're doing the bulletproof vest drive." 669 00:30:17,025 --> 00:30:19,526 "Hey, this is gonna provide bulletproof vests 670 00:30:19,595 --> 00:30:21,160 for your officers in town." 671 00:30:21,229 --> 00:30:24,958 PATRICK: That really got people pissed off. 672 00:30:25,027 --> 00:30:27,734 FRANK HOUSEHOLDER: These people impersonate police officers, 673 00:30:27,803 --> 00:30:30,069 firefighters, sheriffs. 674 00:30:30,138 --> 00:30:34,040 They are taking people's money and not doing what they say 675 00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:35,607 they're going to do. 676 00:30:35,676 --> 00:30:38,577 DOUG MAYS: Their weapons are telephones, not guns, 677 00:30:38,646 --> 00:30:41,013 and their places of business, the boiler rooms, 678 00:30:41,082 --> 00:30:43,282 are the crack houses of consumer fraud. 679 00:30:43,351 --> 00:30:46,118 PATRICK: They were on Barbara Walters's 20/20. 680 00:30:46,187 --> 00:30:49,421 Yeah, uh, pretty big exposé on 'em. 681 00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:51,925 REPORTER: It's a company called Civic Development Group, 682 00:30:51,994 --> 00:30:54,026 which has been accused by three states 683 00:30:54,095 --> 00:30:56,962 of misleading the public, charges the company denies. 684 00:30:57,031 --> 00:30:59,566 INTERVIEWEE: They said such and such a police officer, 685 00:30:59,635 --> 00:31:00,767 he's been shot 686 00:31:00,836 --> 00:31:02,468 and his family needs help. 687 00:31:02,537 --> 00:31:04,571 How much would you say that you've given 688 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,373 to the telemarketers? 689 00:31:06,442 --> 00:31:07,741 Thousands of dollars. 690 00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:09,336 REPORTER: Uh, do you have that much money 691 00:31:09,405 --> 00:31:11,143 to kind of give away? 692 00:31:11,212 --> 00:31:13,246 No, I had to go borrow it. (LAUGHS) 693 00:31:13,315 --> 00:31:17,550 If someone calls claiming to be the police 694 00:31:17,619 --> 00:31:19,686 and asking for money, 695 00:31:19,755 --> 00:31:21,521 call the police. 696 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:23,122 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 697 00:31:23,191 --> 00:31:26,529 SAM: The government actually took them to court and won. 698 00:31:28,563 --> 00:31:32,498 No more bulletproof vest shit. No more saying you're a cop. 699 00:31:32,567 --> 00:31:36,302 Now, the Civic Development Group did not admit to any wrongdoing, 700 00:31:36,371 --> 00:31:40,639 but agreed to pay 35,000 dollars in fines. 701 00:31:40,708 --> 00:31:43,543 PATRICK: But I'll tell you the secret about CDG. 702 00:31:43,612 --> 00:31:45,277 They don't ever change. 703 00:31:45,346 --> 00:31:49,518 It's, "Where's the next little loophole we can get through?" 704 00:31:50,518 --> 00:31:52,785 BRIAN: All the managers came in and gave us 705 00:31:52,854 --> 00:31:54,854 like a fucking come-to-Jesus meeting. 706 00:31:54,923 --> 00:31:56,055 They were like, "Hey, 707 00:31:56,124 --> 00:31:58,024 there's a workaround to anything." 708 00:31:58,093 --> 00:31:59,859 Wanda, in Kissimmee, 709 00:31:59,928 --> 00:32:02,823 that doesn't have a fucking dime to her name, 710 00:32:02,892 --> 00:32:05,731 but she just gave us ten bucks "for the guys." 711 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,033 You know, don't ever refer to them 712 00:32:07,102 --> 00:32:09,930 as the officers, or the cops, or "the association." 713 00:32:09,999 --> 00:32:11,603 You know, the guys. "Hey, can the guys count on you 714 00:32:11,672 --> 00:32:13,773 to send that 35 soon as you get it in the mail? 715 00:32:13,842 --> 00:32:15,007 Now, if you hit the lottery, 716 00:32:15,076 --> 00:32:16,710 you can add a couple zeros on there at the end." 717 00:32:16,779 --> 00:32:18,043 (IMITATES LAUGH) 718 00:32:18,112 --> 00:32:19,713 -(SAM LAUGHS) -(CHUCKLES) 719 00:32:19,782 --> 00:32:22,516 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 720 00:32:22,585 --> 00:32:23,983 They-- They always laugh. 721 00:32:24,052 --> 00:32:27,019 MATT PETZOLD: The goal was to sound like a cop 722 00:32:27,088 --> 00:32:28,755 without saying you're a cop. 723 00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:29,822 (IN DEEP VOICE) "Hi, Mary." 724 00:32:29,891 --> 00:32:30,990 You know, like, if that means 725 00:32:31,059 --> 00:32:32,291 put a little more bass in your voice, 726 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,194 sounding a little authoritative, think about, like, 727 00:32:35,263 --> 00:32:38,264 what a cop sounds like in the cartoons 728 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:40,303 and almost try and do that. 729 00:32:40,736 --> 00:32:42,101 (SIGHS) It's... 730 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:44,904 Yeah, that was what was taught to you. 731 00:32:44,973 --> 00:32:46,339 What was pushed on you. 732 00:32:46,408 --> 00:32:49,308 LARRY LAZARE: I just didn't like that aspect of it. 733 00:32:49,377 --> 00:32:51,872 It almost made me feel like a crook. 734 00:32:51,941 --> 00:32:53,779 Hey, it's James Chestnut, calling on behalf 735 00:32:53,848 --> 00:32:55,048 of the Fraternal Order of Police. 736 00:32:55,117 --> 00:32:56,452 How are you this evening? 737 00:32:57,386 --> 00:32:58,484 Good to hear. 738 00:32:58,553 --> 00:33:00,654 BILLY: People are intimidated 'cause they hear 739 00:33:00,723 --> 00:33:02,087 the word "police." 740 00:33:02,156 --> 00:33:03,589 Really, it was just fear based. 741 00:33:03,658 --> 00:33:06,759 I mean, it was really people giving out of either fear 742 00:33:06,828 --> 00:33:08,160 or just capitulation. 743 00:33:08,229 --> 00:33:10,663 You force a nigga into saying, "Yeah." 744 00:33:10,732 --> 00:33:13,132 And that's what, you know, the streets is all about. 745 00:33:13,201 --> 00:33:14,600 That's all we doing, is forcing a motherfucker 746 00:33:14,669 --> 00:33:16,368 to buy what we want. You know what I mean? 747 00:33:16,437 --> 00:33:18,671 -You remember we got the whole Spanish section, dude. -SAM: Oh, yeah. 748 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:20,539 (TELEMARKETERS SPEAKING SPANISH) 749 00:33:20,608 --> 00:33:22,641 BRIAN: (IN ENGLISH) Do you know how Spanish people react? 750 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:25,044 Especially in today's day and age, with all this ICE shit. 751 00:33:25,113 --> 00:33:26,212 Maybe you don't have papers, 752 00:33:26,281 --> 00:33:28,480 maybe you are in this country illegally, 753 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:31,150 and I call your phone number speaking Spanish and say, 754 00:33:31,219 --> 00:33:33,653 "Hey, we're raising money for the police." 755 00:33:33,722 --> 00:33:35,554 "Okay. Yep." Bang. 756 00:33:35,623 --> 00:33:37,491 I don't care if you think they're scumbags or not, 757 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,619 that was genius. 758 00:33:38,688 --> 00:33:39,558 When there's money to be made, 759 00:33:39,627 --> 00:33:42,095 people will find a way to get to it, man. 760 00:33:42,164 --> 00:33:44,529 They'll find a way. 761 00:33:44,598 --> 00:33:47,834 PATRICK: Every couple of years a new attorney general sues 'em, 762 00:33:47,903 --> 00:33:50,002 but it's the same shit every time. 763 00:33:50,071 --> 00:33:52,171 They just agree to a bullshit fine 764 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,473 and nothing changes. 765 00:33:54,542 --> 00:33:57,209 I'm still calling you for the police... 766 00:33:57,278 --> 00:33:58,643 (LAUGHS) ...to donate money, 767 00:33:58,712 --> 00:34:01,413 and they ain't even getting the money. (CHUCKLES) 768 00:34:01,482 --> 00:34:06,252 I mean, come on people. Wake up, smell the coffee! 769 00:34:06,321 --> 00:34:08,054 SAM: People always ask me like, 770 00:34:08,123 --> 00:34:10,585 "If you guys thought this was so wrong, 771 00:34:10,654 --> 00:34:12,325 why didn't you just quit?" 772 00:34:12,394 --> 00:34:14,497 But it wasn't that simple. 773 00:34:15,563 --> 00:34:17,864 Well, I'm 50 years old, I am disabled. 774 00:34:17,933 --> 00:34:19,502 Four years ago, I had a heart attack. 775 00:34:20,335 --> 00:34:22,868 Pat has to pay our bills. 776 00:34:22,937 --> 00:34:26,471 He has no choice but to go there 777 00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:29,574 and work for these horrendous people. 778 00:34:29,643 --> 00:34:34,246 You try to find a job with a criminal record. Ha! 779 00:34:34,315 --> 00:34:37,812 He has put himself through all this stuff to support us, 780 00:34:37,881 --> 00:34:40,686 or we would've ended up homeless. 781 00:34:40,755 --> 00:34:44,157 SAM: On one hand, Pat needed this job to survive. 782 00:34:44,226 --> 00:34:47,927 On the other hand, he was like, "Yo, this fucking scam 783 00:34:47,996 --> 00:34:51,896 has been going on for way too long 784 00:34:51,965 --> 00:34:56,869 and you and I are the only ones that can finally stop it." 785 00:34:56,938 --> 00:34:58,171 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 786 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,644 PATRICK: (OVER CELLPHONE) 787 00:35:13,054 --> 00:35:15,624 -SAM: What do you mean? -This has gotta go like this. Watch. 788 00:35:17,225 --> 00:35:19,595 SAM: Some guerilla shit right here. 789 00:35:21,896 --> 00:35:26,199 Hey, guys, Patrick J. Pespas. I'm here with Joe Makko. 790 00:35:26,268 --> 00:35:28,467 Now, how do you like CDG? 791 00:35:28,536 --> 00:35:30,235 Oh, it's a great place to work, man. 792 00:35:30,304 --> 00:35:32,505 -It's the greatest ever. -PATRICK: Is it crazy? 793 00:35:32,574 --> 00:35:34,974 Oh, it's real crazy out here, you know? 794 00:35:35,043 --> 00:35:36,341 PATRICK: Now, does it bother you 795 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:38,677 that like only 12 percent of the money goes 796 00:35:38,746 --> 00:35:41,480 to the organization and the company's all shady 797 00:35:41,549 --> 00:35:43,382 and pocketing all that charity money? 798 00:35:43,451 --> 00:35:45,717 I don't know anything about those percentages, you know. 799 00:35:45,786 --> 00:35:48,254 It depends on what set of books you're looking at over there. 800 00:35:48,323 --> 00:35:49,655 You know how it is over there, you know. 801 00:35:49,724 --> 00:35:51,491 -PATRICK: I do understand. -As long as I get my take, 802 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,857 -you know? -PATRICK: Yeah. 803 00:35:52,926 --> 00:35:54,663 -As long as you get your take, right? -That's right. 804 00:36:01,469 --> 00:36:03,302 What do-- What rebuttal do you use 805 00:36:03,371 --> 00:36:04,903 for the percentage question? 806 00:36:04,972 --> 00:36:08,107 -SAM: I tell them the percent and they don't give. (LAUGHS) -Right. 807 00:36:08,176 --> 00:36:10,143 -SAM: Is this for me? -That's for you. 808 00:36:10,212 --> 00:36:12,077 -SAM: And what do I do with it? -Smoke it! 809 00:36:12,146 --> 00:36:13,312 SAM: That just looks like a cigarette. 810 00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:15,181 -(PATRICK STAMMERS) -We gonna do marijuana? 811 00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:17,650 -PATRICK: You wanna? -Do you do that? 812 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,822 -PATRICK: I don't know. Do you? -Well, first of all-- 813 00:36:21,022 --> 00:36:22,055 Put that camera down. 814 00:36:22,124 --> 00:36:25,724 ♪ ("A STICK AND SLACKS" BY SHINTARO SAKAMOTO PLAYING) ♪ 815 00:36:25,793 --> 00:36:28,627 Charity in America. Where does it all begin? 816 00:36:28,696 --> 00:36:32,059 Well, uh, I'm walking up to my job, 817 00:36:32,128 --> 00:36:34,870 and as you can see, it's a big warehouse. 818 00:36:38,473 --> 00:36:40,939 They're keeping tabs on you, America. 819 00:36:41,008 --> 00:36:45,011 This company that I work for doesn't forget anything. 820 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,611 We got a hold of your name. 821 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,081 You gave us money on behalf of some charity 822 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:50,582 that ain't even getting the money. 823 00:36:50,651 --> 00:36:53,385 Ooh, you gave 25? Now, I want 55. 824 00:36:53,454 --> 00:36:55,922 Ooh, you were stupid enough to give me that? 825 00:36:55,991 --> 00:36:57,522 Oh, fantastic! 826 00:36:57,591 --> 00:36:59,458 When your name comes up on that screen, 827 00:36:59,527 --> 00:37:02,894 it's gonna tell me to ask you for at least 125. 828 00:37:02,963 --> 00:37:06,098 Then the next time I call you, it's gonna tell me to ask you 829 00:37:06,167 --> 00:37:07,566 for 225. 830 00:37:07,635 --> 00:37:09,802 And then three months, it all starts again. 831 00:37:09,871 --> 00:37:12,541 We're gonna call you from now till doomsday. 832 00:37:14,676 --> 00:37:16,136 SAM: When I first got the job, 833 00:37:16,205 --> 00:37:19,782 I was calling for just police organizations. 834 00:37:21,316 --> 00:37:25,721 The Maine State Federation of the Firefighters. 835 00:37:26,454 --> 00:37:28,721 SAM: But then as time went on, 836 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:30,927 we were calling for all kinds of shit. 837 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,292 Sam Lipman-Stern, 838 00:37:33,361 --> 00:37:35,055 calling on behalf of the Southeastern chapter 839 00:37:35,124 --> 00:37:37,230 of the Paralyzed Veterans Association. 840 00:37:37,299 --> 00:37:38,601 Good afternoon. 841 00:37:39,667 --> 00:37:41,934 I'm doing great. How you doing today? 842 00:37:42,003 --> 00:37:44,336 I wanna remind you these brave men and women gave 843 00:37:44,405 --> 00:37:45,805 so much for our country. 844 00:37:45,874 --> 00:37:47,874 Now, it's time to give something back to them. 845 00:37:47,943 --> 00:37:51,110 Donations help support wheelchair sporting events 846 00:37:51,179 --> 00:37:53,012 to build self-esteem. 847 00:37:53,081 --> 00:37:54,779 Paul, my name is Patrick J. Pespas. 848 00:37:54,848 --> 00:37:57,216 I'm on behalf for the Maine State Federation 849 00:37:57,285 --> 00:37:58,984 of the Firefighters. 850 00:37:59,053 --> 00:38:00,486 Ms. Hamilton, just this past May 851 00:38:00,555 --> 00:38:02,955 a 53-year-old Springfield firefighter 852 00:38:03,024 --> 00:38:04,523 was killed in the line of duty 853 00:38:04,592 --> 00:38:06,360 when his tanker truck overturned. 854 00:38:06,429 --> 00:38:07,626 Levels to help out. 855 00:38:07,695 --> 00:38:11,097 Big, you have gold level at 35, silver level at 25. 856 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,232 I'm gonna send you out a new decal. 857 00:38:13,301 --> 00:38:14,901 Now, ma'am please accept this decal 858 00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:17,937 in honor and support of these fallen heroes. 859 00:38:18,006 --> 00:38:19,172 First we call you 860 00:38:19,241 --> 00:38:21,474 for New Jersey Fraternal Order of Police. 861 00:38:21,543 --> 00:38:23,643 If you give money, then we'll call you back 862 00:38:23,712 --> 00:38:26,145 in about a week for New Jersey 863 00:38:26,214 --> 00:38:27,980 Law Enforcement Officers Association. 864 00:38:28,049 --> 00:38:29,448 SUE: 865 00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:31,083 Then Police Officers Association. 866 00:38:31,152 --> 00:38:32,219 -SUE: -What? 867 00:38:32,288 --> 00:38:33,319 SUE: 868 00:38:33,388 --> 00:38:35,454 Uh, cook them all up. 869 00:38:35,523 --> 00:38:37,791 You name it, we've called for it. 870 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:40,159 First, it's the volunteer firemen, 871 00:38:40,228 --> 00:38:44,767 then it's the retired firemen, then it's the fire chiefs. 872 00:38:45,666 --> 00:38:46,933 SAM: We were getting handed scripts 873 00:38:47,002 --> 00:38:50,736 for new organizations almost every day. 874 00:38:50,805 --> 00:38:53,473 And some of them just sounded like bootleg versions 875 00:38:53,542 --> 00:38:55,444 of existing charities. 876 00:38:56,777 --> 00:38:59,211 Fucking the Children's Wish Foundation. 877 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,815 Not the Make-A-Wish Foundation, the Children's Wish Foundation. 878 00:39:03,884 --> 00:39:07,119 FARUQ: But then when, like, the Cancer Fund started, 879 00:39:07,188 --> 00:39:08,087 shit like that, 880 00:39:08,156 --> 00:39:10,055 it was like, "Oh, man. We calling motherfuckers 881 00:39:10,124 --> 00:39:13,259 with cancer and they not even gonna get half the shit?" 882 00:39:13,328 --> 00:39:14,759 Yeah! Oh... (SIGHS) 883 00:39:14,828 --> 00:39:17,397 Then we called for the Cancer Fund of America-- 884 00:39:17,466 --> 00:39:19,598 Cancer Survivors Fund. 885 00:39:19,667 --> 00:39:22,268 SUE: And my point is you survived the cancer, 886 00:39:22,337 --> 00:39:24,969 what the hell else do you want outta life? 887 00:39:25,038 --> 00:39:27,907 -Why do you ask for money? -Oh, every bullshit organization 888 00:39:27,976 --> 00:39:29,643 -you can think of. -SUE: Oh, 'cause you survived 889 00:39:29,712 --> 00:39:31,710 now you've got a big bill. 890 00:39:31,779 --> 00:39:36,482 -♪ (SONG FADES) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 891 00:39:36,551 --> 00:39:38,717 BRIAN: CDG was building. They were always the next step. 892 00:39:38,786 --> 00:39:41,587 Always the next step. I remember Marc Keezer, 893 00:39:41,656 --> 00:39:43,356 Glenn Pasch, they had like blueprints 894 00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:44,557 out on one of the tables. 895 00:39:44,626 --> 00:39:45,725 They were trying to franchise 896 00:39:45,794 --> 00:39:47,126 this shit like it was McDonald's. 897 00:39:47,195 --> 00:39:48,393 When I started with the company, 898 00:39:48,462 --> 00:39:50,296 I think there were five offices in New Jersey. 899 00:39:50,365 --> 00:39:52,798 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 900 00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:55,871 TOM: And then we started going into different states. 901 00:39:57,472 --> 00:40:00,474 BILLY: CDG's strategy was to open up offices 902 00:40:00,543 --> 00:40:02,108 in depressed areas 903 00:40:02,177 --> 00:40:05,745 and areas that didn't have any kind of industry. 904 00:40:05,814 --> 00:40:07,513 Pretty much hopeless places. 905 00:40:07,582 --> 00:40:09,916 And they would just like provide these jobs 906 00:40:09,985 --> 00:40:11,583 that paid pretty decent. 907 00:40:11,652 --> 00:40:14,621 TOM: We were doing a massive amount of business 908 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:17,223 and we became the number one 909 00:40:17,292 --> 00:40:20,763 fundraising telemarketing company in the country. 910 00:40:21,696 --> 00:40:23,295 And the next closest company to us 911 00:40:23,364 --> 00:40:24,530 was doing half the volume of-- 912 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,065 I mean, there was just no comparison. 913 00:40:26,134 --> 00:40:27,967 (INSECTS CHIRPING) 914 00:40:28,036 --> 00:40:31,007 TOM: Things at CDG really started changing. 915 00:40:33,907 --> 00:40:35,708 BRIAN: They had like these predictive numbers. 916 00:40:35,777 --> 00:40:37,442 It's just, "Hey, this is the list. 917 00:40:37,511 --> 00:40:39,511 This list should hit 180 dollars an hour." 918 00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:40,813 And if you didn't hit that, bro... 919 00:40:40,882 --> 00:40:42,214 But you wanna talk about pressure, 920 00:40:42,283 --> 00:40:43,450 I had a goddamn heart attack. 921 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,750 MATT: Motherfucker! 922 00:40:45,819 --> 00:40:49,689 PATRICK: There's so much chaos. I OD'd on the sales floor! 923 00:40:49,758 --> 00:40:51,490 The regional manager 924 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,294 said, "Pat, Pat, wake up. Can you stand?" "Yeah." 925 00:40:55,363 --> 00:40:56,930 "Can you talk?" "Yeah." 926 00:40:56,999 --> 00:40:57,997 "Well, keep calling! 927 00:40:58,066 --> 00:41:01,195 What are you doing? Call, call. Make money. Come on. 928 00:41:01,264 --> 00:41:02,734 You don't wanna work at McDonalds." 929 00:41:02,803 --> 00:41:05,638 That's it. We don't give a fuck about it if your mama hungry, 930 00:41:05,707 --> 00:41:07,272 your light's getting cut off. 931 00:41:07,341 --> 00:41:09,042 If you wasn't making that money, 932 00:41:09,111 --> 00:41:10,980 your ass had to go. 933 00:41:12,047 --> 00:41:14,617 MANAGER: 934 00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:39,038 SABRINA: Basically, modern day slavery. 935 00:41:39,107 --> 00:41:40,605 "You better do what you need to do, 936 00:41:40,674 --> 00:41:42,775 or we're gonna call your probation officer 937 00:41:42,844 --> 00:41:44,710 and tell him you haven't been here. 938 00:41:44,779 --> 00:41:47,716 Either make the sales or you're going back to jail." 939 00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:50,717 MATT: Ownership told us they were changing 940 00:41:50,786 --> 00:41:52,551 the business model. 941 00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:54,753 They stopped calling us telemarketers. 942 00:41:54,822 --> 00:41:58,127 Now, we were professional management consultants. 943 00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:00,526 Once that happened, 944 00:42:00,595 --> 00:42:03,129 the scripts were totally different. 945 00:42:03,198 --> 00:42:06,699 You didn't have to mention you were calling on behalf. 946 00:42:06,768 --> 00:42:07,867 You didn't have to mention the fact 947 00:42:07,936 --> 00:42:09,402 that you were a paid solicitor. 948 00:42:09,471 --> 00:42:11,405 You could say "we," you could say "us." 949 00:42:11,474 --> 00:42:12,571 You could say "our." 950 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,742 We used to say, "Uh, yeah. Hi, Mrs. Smith. 951 00:42:15,811 --> 00:42:17,076 Uh, this is Bill Fedor. 952 00:42:17,145 --> 00:42:19,679 I'm calling on behalf of the New Jersey State 953 00:42:19,748 --> 00:42:21,147 Fraternal Order of Police." 954 00:42:21,216 --> 00:42:22,715 That wasn't good enough. 955 00:42:22,784 --> 00:42:24,416 We wanted to take it to the point 956 00:42:24,485 --> 00:42:25,817 where we could actually say, 957 00:42:25,886 --> 00:42:28,624 "We are the New Jersey Fraternal Order of Police." 958 00:42:29,557 --> 00:42:31,690 This actually happened in Florida. 959 00:42:31,759 --> 00:42:34,927 That's where they started the experiment. 960 00:42:34,996 --> 00:42:38,301 BRIAN: And they kept trying to get me to go run an office. 961 00:42:40,735 --> 00:42:42,902 It wasn't called CDG. 962 00:42:42,971 --> 00:42:46,205 It was called the Florida Highway Patrol 963 00:42:46,274 --> 00:42:48,144 Command Officers Association. 964 00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:50,543 SAM: 965 00:42:50,612 --> 00:42:51,910 Oh, we fucking killed it Sam. 966 00:42:51,979 --> 00:42:55,581 SAM: We'd only heard rumors about the consultant thing, 967 00:42:55,650 --> 00:42:57,517 but we knew they were testing it out 968 00:42:57,586 --> 00:42:59,622 in a few Jersey offices. 969 00:43:00,554 --> 00:43:03,089 MATT: We switched from CDG 970 00:43:03,158 --> 00:43:06,359 to the New Jersey FOP Fundraising Center. 971 00:43:06,428 --> 00:43:07,892 Everybody stayed overnight 972 00:43:07,961 --> 00:43:11,664 to give everybody, like, a new login and file number 973 00:43:11,733 --> 00:43:13,566 and take down all the signs. 974 00:43:13,635 --> 00:43:15,067 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 975 00:43:15,136 --> 00:43:18,003 SAM: Using a cop voice was one thing, 976 00:43:18,072 --> 00:43:21,908 but the consultant model was a fucking whole other level. 977 00:43:21,977 --> 00:43:25,178 It was written right there in the rebuttals. 978 00:43:25,247 --> 00:43:27,447 (READING PROMPT) 979 00:43:27,516 --> 00:43:30,786 (CONTINUES READING PROMPT) 980 00:43:37,153 --> 00:43:38,125 And what about if-- 981 00:43:38,194 --> 00:43:42,356 SAM: 982 00:43:42,425 --> 00:43:45,525 "Hey, well, as an NJ FOP employee, 983 00:43:45,594 --> 00:43:47,700 I am proud to tell you that a hundred percent 984 00:43:47,769 --> 00:43:51,070 of your donation does go directly to the organization." 985 00:43:51,139 --> 00:43:54,243 PATRICK: 986 00:44:03,552 --> 00:44:05,852 Without a fucking doubt. 987 00:44:05,921 --> 00:44:10,026 -(TELEPHONE RINGING) -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 988 00:44:14,162 --> 00:44:15,995 PATRICK: I still have the mailer from them 989 00:44:16,064 --> 00:44:18,363 where they even put it in writing. 990 00:44:18,432 --> 00:44:19,832 A hundred percent of the money. 991 00:44:19,901 --> 00:44:21,704 -SAM: No way. Are you serious? -Dude... 992 00:44:22,804 --> 00:44:25,204 SAM: Pat and I understood why they did it. 993 00:44:25,273 --> 00:44:27,173 People want to give to the police, 994 00:44:27,242 --> 00:44:29,308 not a telemarketer. 995 00:44:29,377 --> 00:44:33,246 But we didn't really understand how they were doing it. 996 00:44:33,315 --> 00:44:35,382 Like, we didn't know if CDG had found 997 00:44:35,451 --> 00:44:36,883 some new loophole, 998 00:44:36,952 --> 00:44:39,788 or if they were just totally running amok. 999 00:44:41,022 --> 00:44:43,489 SAM: 1000 00:44:43,558 --> 00:44:45,858 Yeah. Didn't really care to be honest. 1001 00:44:45,927 --> 00:44:47,794 Yeah, I was young and I'd get fired 1002 00:44:47,863 --> 00:44:49,596 if I asked them too many questions. 1003 00:44:49,665 --> 00:44:51,163 "Hey, it's in the script." 1004 00:44:51,232 --> 00:44:53,399 And I had been trained. I had been conditioned. 1005 00:44:53,468 --> 00:44:57,103 "Shit. If it says in the script, the money goes directly 1006 00:44:57,172 --> 00:45:00,100 to the Florida Highway Patrol Command Officers Association, 1007 00:45:00,169 --> 00:45:01,210 I guess it does." 1008 00:45:04,512 --> 00:45:09,318 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1009 00:45:11,419 --> 00:45:16,025 PATRICK: (OVER CELL PHONE) 1010 00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:25,564 MATT: The FOP sent a retired officer. 1011 00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:29,272 He was more or less in charge as like a disciplinarian, 1012 00:45:30,038 --> 00:45:31,737 and he kinda cracked down 1013 00:45:31,806 --> 00:45:34,206 on a lot of, like, the extracurricular activities 1014 00:45:34,275 --> 00:45:35,341 that would happen. 1015 00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:37,944 There's a cop in here running it, so we gotta-- 1016 00:45:38,013 --> 00:45:40,480 everybody's gotta be on their best behavior. 1017 00:45:40,549 --> 00:45:43,383 SUPERVISOR: 1018 00:45:43,452 --> 00:45:44,420 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1019 00:45:45,987 --> 00:45:47,523 SAM: I'm doing journalism. 1020 00:45:50,926 --> 00:45:54,693 I got a call from the regional manager, 1021 00:45:54,762 --> 00:45:57,396 and he's like, "Sam, I saw all the videos. 1022 00:45:57,465 --> 00:46:00,500 You gotta take them down. You gotta take the videos down from YouTube." 1023 00:46:00,569 --> 00:46:03,836 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1024 00:46:03,905 --> 00:46:05,237 (TELEMARKETERS CHEERING) 1025 00:46:05,306 --> 00:46:07,506 SAM: "Everyone says it's you with the camera. 1026 00:46:07,575 --> 00:46:09,942 Like it's, you know, the rumor is spreading around, 1027 00:46:10,011 --> 00:46:11,978 like you're filming." Yo. They're like, 1028 00:46:12,047 --> 00:46:13,445 "The bosses are talking about it. 1029 00:46:13,514 --> 00:46:14,941 Everyone's talking about it." 1030 00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:19,118 I was like, "Who gives a shit? I have, like, 40 views total." 1031 00:46:19,187 --> 00:46:22,487 One day, I walked into CDG and the owner told me 1032 00:46:22,556 --> 00:46:24,057 never to come in there again. 1033 00:46:24,126 --> 00:46:26,159 But Pat was like, "Yo, don't worry about it. 1034 00:46:26,228 --> 00:46:29,228 I'll feed you info from the inside." 1035 00:46:29,297 --> 00:46:31,798 And it gave me more time to dig into anything 1036 00:46:31,867 --> 00:46:34,133 I could find on CDG. 1037 00:46:34,202 --> 00:46:36,396 And then I started going down the rabbit hole. 1038 00:46:36,465 --> 00:46:38,003 -(TELEPHONE RINGING) -Hello? 1039 00:46:38,072 --> 00:46:39,538 REPORTER: When a telemarketer called on behalf 1040 00:46:39,607 --> 00:46:43,542 of the Utah Fraternal Order of Police, Sandy Ward said no. 1041 00:46:43,611 --> 00:46:47,547 That's when the threats began on her answering machine. 1042 00:46:47,616 --> 00:46:51,020 TELEMARKETER: (ON RECORDING) 1043 00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:56,789 REPORTER: We tracked the fundraiser here 1044 00:46:56,858 --> 00:46:58,992 to New Jersey and a company known as 1045 00:46:59,061 --> 00:47:00,392 Civic Development Group. 1046 00:47:00,461 --> 00:47:02,294 The company denied they made the call. 1047 00:47:02,363 --> 00:47:04,564 But now the Federal Trade Commission 1048 00:47:04,633 --> 00:47:05,931 has charged the company 1049 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,468 with making misrepresentations to consumers, 1050 00:47:08,537 --> 00:47:10,837 going back to 1998. 1051 00:47:10,906 --> 00:47:14,907 CDG is telling consumers that 100 percent 1052 00:47:14,976 --> 00:47:18,010 of their donation is going directly to the charity. 1053 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,878 We've alleged that that's not the case, 1054 00:47:19,947 --> 00:47:22,415 and that in fact, 80 to 90 percent of the donation 1055 00:47:22,484 --> 00:47:23,482 is going to CDG. 1056 00:47:23,551 --> 00:47:25,517 My manager called me and he was like, "Hey, 1057 00:47:25,586 --> 00:47:27,853 I just want you to know, man, don't listen to these rumors." 1058 00:47:27,922 --> 00:47:30,189 And I was like, "I don't even know what you're talking about." 1059 00:47:30,258 --> 00:47:32,324 And he was like, "Well, you know, there's all these rumors 1060 00:47:32,393 --> 00:47:34,160 that we're getting shut down, and this lawsuit, 1061 00:47:34,229 --> 00:47:35,527 and this and that." And I'll be honest, 1062 00:47:35,596 --> 00:47:38,163 I had no clue what the fuck he was talking about. 1063 00:47:38,232 --> 00:47:41,134 FARUQ: There was always rumors. And it's like, "All right, 1064 00:47:41,203 --> 00:47:43,668 well I heard this before, you know, whatever. 1065 00:47:43,737 --> 00:47:46,005 They... They'll get through it." You know what I'm saying? 1066 00:47:46,074 --> 00:47:48,140 They've been swindling motherfuckers all this time. 1067 00:47:48,209 --> 00:47:49,642 Who's to say it's gonna end now? 1068 00:47:49,711 --> 00:47:50,976 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1069 00:47:51,045 --> 00:47:53,880 VOICEMAIL: You have reached the voicemail box of... 1070 00:47:53,949 --> 00:47:55,551 SAM: (ON RECORDING) Sam Lipman-Stern. 1071 00:48:03,692 --> 00:48:06,095 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1072 00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:09,729 -(TELEPHONES RINGING) -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 1073 00:48:09,798 --> 00:48:16,505 (TELEMARKETERS READING PROMPTS) 1074 00:48:23,178 --> 00:48:24,944 TOM: I don't know what it was, 1075 00:48:25,013 --> 00:48:27,546 whether their egos got too big, 1076 00:48:27,615 --> 00:48:30,419 but when I hear the downfall of the company... 1077 00:48:31,987 --> 00:48:34,320 I... I can only attribute it to greed. 1078 00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:37,685 -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) -(TELEPHONE RINGING) 1079 00:48:37,754 --> 00:48:42,729 TELEMARKETER: Hi... (READS PROMPT) 1080 00:48:42,798 --> 00:48:44,598 RECEIVER: (OVER PHONE) 1081 00:48:44,667 --> 00:48:47,236 TELEMARKETER: 1082 00:48:52,807 --> 00:48:55,278 RECEIVER: 1083 00:49:00,143 --> 00:49:02,114 BRIAN: Yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday, dude. 1084 00:49:02,183 --> 00:49:04,050 I was in my bed. 1085 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,152 Somebody from HR called me and was like, "Hey, listen, 1086 00:49:06,221 --> 00:49:08,154 we're gonna shut down. We're gonna close everything down. 1087 00:49:08,223 --> 00:49:10,055 Your office is gonna be closed by Tuesday." 1088 00:49:10,124 --> 00:49:12,591 And my immediate reaction was like, "Yo, we're doing good. What are you talking about?" 1089 00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:14,828 Like, no. They're like, "No, the whole thing's, like, shut-- 1090 00:49:14,897 --> 00:49:16,432 The whole company's shutting down." 1091 00:49:17,498 --> 00:49:20,032 FARUQ: A lot of motherfuckers was upset, man. 1092 00:49:20,101 --> 00:49:21,300 'Cause it was like, 1093 00:49:21,369 --> 00:49:23,298 "Man, y'all motherfuckers is outta here." (LAUGHS) 1094 00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:24,236 This is over. 1095 00:49:24,305 --> 00:49:26,338 You know what I'm saying? It's a wrap. 1096 00:49:26,407 --> 00:49:29,609 REPORTER: It's being called the biggest telemarketing scam 1097 00:49:29,678 --> 00:49:31,077 in American history. 1098 00:49:31,146 --> 00:49:32,278 Civic Development Group, 1099 00:49:32,347 --> 00:49:34,480 a New Jersey based telemarketing firm 1100 00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:38,885 has been permanently shut down by the Federal Trade Commission. 1101 00:49:38,954 --> 00:49:41,220 I was shredding stuff in the office. 1102 00:49:41,289 --> 00:49:44,924 All of a sudden it's like these big white vans came. 1103 00:49:44,993 --> 00:49:46,458 Like, Men in Black type shit. 1104 00:49:46,527 --> 00:49:49,590 And they took the fucking file cabinets out, like desks. 1105 00:49:49,659 --> 00:49:51,400 Swipe-- They swiped it clean. 1106 00:49:51,766 --> 00:49:54,737 SAM: 1107 00:49:55,671 --> 00:49:57,569 I fucking clapped. 1108 00:49:57,638 --> 00:50:00,506 REPORTER 1: CDG made 189 million calls 1109 00:50:00,575 --> 00:50:02,942 using the so-called consultant model, 1110 00:50:03,011 --> 00:50:05,645 which implied that 100 percent of donations 1111 00:50:05,714 --> 00:50:06,779 would go to charity. 1112 00:50:06,848 --> 00:50:08,013 And in three years, 1113 00:50:08,082 --> 00:50:11,716 donations grew from five million to 250 million 1114 00:50:11,785 --> 00:50:15,721 with CDG keeping nearly all the money for themselves. 1115 00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:17,785 REPORTER 2: The Federal Trade Commission sued 1116 00:50:17,854 --> 00:50:19,625 the company for misleading donors. 1117 00:50:19,694 --> 00:50:22,061 And a few months ago, the company agreed to pay 1118 00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:24,130 a 19-million-dollar fine 1119 00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:26,365 and get out of the fundraising business. 1120 00:50:26,434 --> 00:50:27,928 REPORTER 3: No jail time is expected 1121 00:50:27,997 --> 00:50:30,136 and no criminal charges have been filed, 1122 00:50:30,205 --> 00:50:33,472 but CDG owners, David Keezer and Scott Pasch, 1123 00:50:33,541 --> 00:50:37,004 have been banned from telemarketing for life. 1124 00:50:37,073 --> 00:50:38,710 REPORTER 4: Keezer and Pasch were also forced 1125 00:50:38,779 --> 00:50:42,214 to hand over their assets to a court-appointed liquidator, 1126 00:50:42,283 --> 00:50:44,316 including, wait till you hear this, 1127 00:50:44,385 --> 00:50:46,119 two multimillion dollar mansions, 1128 00:50:46,188 --> 00:50:50,055 original Van Goghs and Picassos valued at 1.5 million, 1129 00:50:50,124 --> 00:50:51,923 a million-dollar guitar collection, 1130 00:50:51,992 --> 00:50:56,395 three Mercedes, two Bentleys, a Range Rover, and an Escalade, 1131 00:50:56,464 --> 00:50:58,765 and a quarter of a million dollars 1132 00:50:58,834 --> 00:51:01,133 in fine wine. 1133 00:51:01,202 --> 00:51:03,970 They told me this cat had a fucking house 1134 00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,272 on both ends of the lake, 1135 00:51:06,341 --> 00:51:09,008 and had a fucking boat that would go-- 1136 00:51:09,077 --> 00:51:10,943 "Okay, I got the house on this end of the lake, 1137 00:51:11,012 --> 00:51:12,245 we're gonna get in the boat 1138 00:51:12,314 --> 00:51:14,646 to go to the other house on the other end of the lake." 1139 00:51:14,715 --> 00:51:18,151 And he said he had to liquidate all his artwork. 1140 00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:21,621 And I'm begging old ladies for ten-dollar donations! 1141 00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:22,725 Get the fuck outta here. 1142 00:51:26,828 --> 00:51:29,524 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1143 00:51:29,593 --> 00:51:32,801 (BLINKERS CLICKING) 1144 00:51:37,806 --> 00:51:38,807 (CAR HORN HONKING) 1145 00:51:41,542 --> 00:51:43,509 SAM: What's... (CHUCKLES) What's up? 1146 00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:45,144 -Hey, Sam. -SAM: How you doing? 1147 00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:48,147 Good. It's the aftermath of, uh... 1148 00:51:48,216 --> 00:51:51,183 CDG is dead, gone, buried. 1149 00:51:51,252 --> 00:51:54,323 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1150 00:51:55,385 --> 00:51:56,622 SAM: 1151 00:51:56,691 --> 00:51:58,357 PATRICK: Yeah, that's it, right there. 1152 00:51:58,426 --> 00:52:01,856 -The Han Hin. -SAM: Mm. (CHUCKLES) 1153 00:52:01,925 --> 00:52:04,296 PATRICK: This is the turn right here. 1154 00:52:04,365 --> 00:52:07,866 SAM: (CHUCKLING) The old CDG. 1155 00:52:07,935 --> 00:52:10,169 PATRICK: Dude, I have that "I'm going to work" feeling 1156 00:52:10,238 --> 00:52:11,437 -right now. -SAM: I know. 1157 00:52:11,506 --> 00:52:13,605 Uh-uh. And the sign is still there. 1158 00:52:13,674 --> 00:52:15,007 PATRICK: Yeah, let's go check it out. 1159 00:52:15,076 --> 00:52:16,312 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1160 00:52:18,246 --> 00:52:21,781 Oh, this was nothing but a cash cow. 1161 00:52:21,850 --> 00:52:24,016 This was, uh, Pasch 1162 00:52:24,085 --> 00:52:28,587 and Keezer's personal checkbook. 1163 00:52:28,656 --> 00:52:32,258 "Oh, please donate to me. I need a new Corvette." 1164 00:52:32,327 --> 00:52:34,560 They didn't wanna share. They wanted-- 1165 00:52:34,629 --> 00:52:38,497 They couldn't live with 90 percent of the money. 1166 00:52:38,566 --> 00:52:41,566 They wanted a... They wanted 100 percent of the money, 1167 00:52:41,635 --> 00:52:44,669 and then lie to you where it's going. 1168 00:52:44,738 --> 00:52:47,640 Do you think that fine meant anything? 1169 00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:51,410 It was nothing, it was a slap on the wrist. 1170 00:52:51,479 --> 00:52:55,784 The owner of this company had a band and they sucked. 1171 00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:59,152 Now, they have a fucking infomercial. 1172 00:52:59,221 --> 00:53:00,352 ♪ (UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1173 00:53:00,421 --> 00:53:01,757 ANNOUNCER: This is real. 1174 00:53:02,724 --> 00:53:03,892 This is loud. 1175 00:53:04,660 --> 00:53:06,629 This is J-Henry. 1176 00:53:08,363 --> 00:53:10,864 I'm a party guy. I'm a rock and roll guy, you know? 1177 00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:12,164 I like to drink every day 1178 00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:13,699 and I like to play music every day. 1179 00:53:13,768 --> 00:53:16,069 ANNOUNCER: This special exclusive TV offer 1180 00:53:16,138 --> 00:53:17,303 includes three... 1181 00:53:17,372 --> 00:53:18,770 PATRICK: Can you imagine? You're an old lady, 1182 00:53:18,839 --> 00:53:21,341 you donate money, thinking it's going to the cops 1183 00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:23,008 down the street, 1184 00:53:23,077 --> 00:53:25,510 and these clowns take that money 1185 00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:27,683 and just make shitty records with it. 1186 00:53:28,751 --> 00:53:30,816 The thing that I don't understand 1187 00:53:30,885 --> 00:53:34,453 is how did they get away without going to jail? 1188 00:53:34,522 --> 00:53:37,523 I mean, if I ripped off all that money 1189 00:53:37,592 --> 00:53:40,626 in the name of the police, I'd be in jail. 1190 00:53:40,695 --> 00:53:42,461 But these guys, I guess, you know, 1191 00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:44,063 I guess what they say is true. 1192 00:53:44,132 --> 00:53:46,099 If you got money in this country, 1193 00:53:46,168 --> 00:53:47,971 don't have to worry about a thing. 1194 00:53:48,604 --> 00:53:49,435 (LAUGHS) 1195 00:53:49,504 --> 00:53:50,837 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1196 00:53:50,906 --> 00:53:53,738 SAM: I think Pat and I were resigned to the fact 1197 00:53:53,807 --> 00:53:57,843 that there was nothing left for us to investigate 1198 00:53:57,912 --> 00:54:01,413 and it was time to move on with our lives. 1199 00:54:01,482 --> 00:54:04,450 But then I got a call from Big Ed. 1200 00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:06,755 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -TELEMARKETER: ...and they take. 1201 00:54:08,156 --> 00:54:09,188 You know why? 1202 00:54:09,257 --> 00:54:11,790 Because right now many of the war heroes 1203 00:54:11,859 --> 00:54:14,326 need-- coming home, they need medical attention. 1204 00:54:14,395 --> 00:54:17,897 Yeah. Hi. Is this Mr. Lee? Mr. Lee? 1205 00:54:17,966 --> 00:54:20,533 SAM: He'd gotten a job at a new call center 1206 00:54:20,602 --> 00:54:24,236 and it was basically the same as CDG. 1207 00:54:24,305 --> 00:54:28,040 Okay. We have a... We have a 50, 75. 1208 00:54:28,109 --> 00:54:29,542 Can you do the big one this year? 1209 00:54:29,611 --> 00:54:31,543 Can I at least get you involved with the ten-dollar pledge? 1210 00:54:31,612 --> 00:54:34,914 SAM: Same list, same scripts. Same callers. 1211 00:54:34,983 --> 00:54:37,951 ED: (FARTING) Ah, there we go. 1212 00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:40,153 MR. SMYTHE: Can we stop the shenanigans, please? 1213 00:54:40,222 --> 00:54:42,288 ED: One leg up. (FARTING) 1214 00:54:42,357 --> 00:54:43,823 MR. SMYTHE: Can you tell him to stop it, please? 1215 00:54:43,892 --> 00:54:45,925 -I'm gonna tell Stanley. -(ED CHUCKLING) 1216 00:54:45,994 --> 00:54:47,126 ED: I'm not doing anything... 1217 00:54:47,195 --> 00:54:48,761 BILLY: After CDG was closed down, 1218 00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:51,397 I mean, people saw that the recipe was there 1219 00:54:51,466 --> 00:54:53,966 and other companies took it and ran with it. 1220 00:54:54,035 --> 00:54:56,135 SAM: He told me that he could get me hired there 1221 00:54:56,204 --> 00:54:57,203 if I wanted. 1222 00:54:57,272 --> 00:54:58,571 And it sounded pretty good. 1223 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,307 I mean, I kind of missed CDG to be honest. 1224 00:55:01,376 --> 00:55:02,741 (INAUDIBLE) 1225 00:55:02,810 --> 00:55:06,682 SAM: I told Pat about it and he was like, "Fuck that." 1226 00:55:10,618 --> 00:55:14,187 "Yo, forget CDG. Forget this new spot. 1227 00:55:14,256 --> 00:55:16,759 Let's take down the entire industry." 1228 00:55:17,793 --> 00:55:20,026 So, action. 1229 00:55:20,095 --> 00:55:23,399 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1230 00:55:24,532 --> 00:55:26,599 SAM: Pat and Sam. We're back together. 1231 00:55:26,668 --> 00:55:29,002 -Yeah. Well, we got more to do yet, you know. -Yeah. 1232 00:55:29,071 --> 00:55:31,838 We'll get it all in there. Well, but right now, 1233 00:55:31,907 --> 00:55:33,973 we're in Bridgewater, New Jersey. 1234 00:55:34,042 --> 00:55:35,507 -Yeah, New Jersey. -Yeah. 1235 00:55:35,576 --> 00:55:37,376 I thought it would be cool if we could maybe interview 1236 00:55:37,445 --> 00:55:39,511 some people that run the organizations... 1237 00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:41,214 -Yeah. That... -...that would be great. 1238 00:55:41,283 --> 00:55:42,948 That would be good. Exposing the truth. 1239 00:55:43,017 --> 00:55:45,451 -I feel we're like Michael Moore, you know. -Yeah. 1240 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,656 -Cool. Yeah, dude. -Yeah, dude. 1241 00:55:48,590 --> 00:55:51,324 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 1242 00:55:51,393 --> 00:55:52,528 JEFF: (IN DISTORTED VOICE) 1243 00:55:53,161 --> 00:55:56,665 SAM: 1244 00:56:00,168 --> 00:56:02,805 JEFF: 1245 00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:13,449 SAM: 1246 00:56:14,283 --> 00:56:15,215 JEFF: 1247 00:56:15,284 --> 00:56:16,519 SAM: 1248 00:56:17,085 --> 00:56:18,087 JEFF: 1249 00:56:18,687 --> 00:56:19,785 SAM: 1250 00:56:19,854 --> 00:56:22,992 JEFF: 1251 00:56:23,825 --> 00:56:24,928 SAM: 1252 00:56:25,661 --> 00:56:26,529 JEFF: 1253 00:56:34,969 --> 00:56:38,874 SAM: 1254 00:56:39,842 --> 00:56:41,544 JEFF: 1255 00:56:42,843 --> 00:56:45,606 -(SIRENS BLARING) -(INDISTINCT POLICE RADIO CHATTER) 1256 00:56:45,675 --> 00:56:48,784 JEFF: 1257 00:56:51,653 --> 00:56:52,588 SAM: 1258 00:57:02,398 --> 00:57:03,832 JEFF: 1259 00:57:07,268 --> 00:57:09,368 (SIRENS CONTINUE BLARING) 1260 00:57:09,437 --> 00:57:12,075 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1261 00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:05,061 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 92828

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