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[soft music playing]
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[dramatic music]
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Here we go!
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[explosion]
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[upbeat music]
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[laughs]
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-Oh, my God.
-Oh, my God!
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Whoa!
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YouTube has video.
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[man] I'm gonna spend
the next 50 hours buried alive
in this coffin.
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[boys laughing]
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[woman] So I'm really excited
to be launching
this YouTube channel.
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I run nine different
YouTube channels.
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[man] So hit that like button!
Smash that like button!
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Woo!
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Yo, it's just a prank!
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[screams]
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-Whose streets?
-Our streets!
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-[repeating Donald Trump's name]
-Holy shit!
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Please don't shoot me, man.
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[crowd chanting] Stop the steal!
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[horns honking]
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[Steve Chen] It's kind
of an interesting past.
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Born in Taiwan
and traveled to the U.S.
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when I was eight years old.
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[modem dialing]
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In 1992, 1993,
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we had exposure to the Internet.
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So you had a bunch
of 14, 15 year-olds
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without parental supervision,
having access to the Internet.
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And the Internet was new.
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It was, I mean, even
more experimental
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than what you know
the Internet today.
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People were still
just trying to figure out,
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"What do you do with
these interconnected machines?"
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And so that began sort
of already my long-term career
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of going to sleep at 3 a.m.,
4 a.m. every night.
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It's just getting online,
talking with people
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and kind of just figuring
out things all together.
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[jet engine roaring]
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I left the University
of Illinois in 1999.
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Do you actually drop out
of school and do
the startup thing?
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And, you know, that means
it was a major life decision,
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but it was made
within minutes of saying,
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"Okay, forget what
I'm going to be doing.
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I can always
finish off my senior year
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if this startup doesn't work
out, but I need to buy a ticket
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to get out to Silicon Valley
as quickly as possible."
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[dial-up modem connecting]]
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[female host] By now, you've
heard the buzz.
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[male host] It spans the globe
like a superhighway.
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Telephones, TV, and
computers are merging.
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Whoa!
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You know, people who
had access to the Internet
were able
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to communicate with each other
across borders.
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It was exciting, it was
an enabler of really kind of
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a unique type
of communication that hadn't
been able to exist
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in that way before
without travel.
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Wave your hands, Brian,
so we can get a sense
of how this works.
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Okay. Hi there.
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I was trying to describe
to one of my undergraduates
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what the world looked
like in '97, just 20 some
odd years ago.
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And I was explaining to them
that the way we took pictures,
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the dominant medium was film.
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They're like, "What's that?"
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I was like, "Oh man,
I have to define film."
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So I explained, you know,
there's this canister
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with this photosensitive
material, and you put it
in the camera,
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and you take 20 pictures,
and then you take it out,
and you take it
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down to the drugstore,
and then, you know,
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somebody developed it,
and four days later,
you get your pictures.
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I swear to God, I think
they thought I was pulling
their leg.
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Like, they couldn't fathom
what the world looks like today
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compared to that in '97.
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[Jeff Bezos] There are gonna be
lots of successful companies
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born of the Internet.
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[boys cheering]
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[keys typing]
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Well, I was getting pretty
depressed like towards the end
of last week.
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And I was like, "Dude,
we have, like maybe
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40, 50, 60 videos
on the site, but..."
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[Steve] I started in PayPal
in 1999
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and I left PayPal in 2005.
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So during the course
of that period was when I met
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the two other co-founders
of YouTube, Jawed and
Chad Hurley.
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[Steve] Of the search results,
or of the set that the image
came from?
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Yeah, where it came
from in the results, so...
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On of the guys that we met
early on was the co-founder
of another service.
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And it was called hotornot.com.
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This service can be explained
pretty easily.
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You look at a photo
and there were two options.
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You voted "Hot"
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or "Not" on the photo.
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We just thought,
"You know, what a great
opportunity it would be
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if you created a video version
of this instead of just seeing
a photo.
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[laughs]
So that's the true story behind
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the YouTube service
as we know it today.
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We started building the service.
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And I would say that much
of the work was
on the engineering side.
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What became of YouTube
is not something
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that's fundamentally
a new and novel idea
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in that people have considered
and thought about,
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are there ways to be able
to share video online?
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Because plenty of people
at the time had videos
that they wanted to share.
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It was just sitting
on their hard drives,
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but there was no way
to be able to share them.
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[keys clicking]
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All right, so here we are
in front of the elephants.
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Cool thing about these guys
is that they have...
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[Steve] A large part of it
early on
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was actually looking
through and kind of seeing
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what kind of videos would
people want to be able
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to share that they didn't know
were shareable before.
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Look, here's finally a service
where if you wanna get
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a political message out there,
if you want to get some
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kind of message out there,
you can use this platform.
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You're not going to be able
to turn on the TV and be able
to see this.
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I remember it showing up
as like a place
with goofy videos...
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[boy laughs] Charlie.
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...that didn't strike me as
something that would
revolutionize the world...
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[crowd yelling]
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[boy laughing]
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[Talia] ...be livelihoods
for so many people...
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[yells]
100 million subscribers.
Thank you, YouTube.
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Ow!
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[Talia] ...spawn everything
from social movements...
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I can't breathe!
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[Talia]
...to really Baroque dramas.
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I don't like 'em putting
chemicals in the water
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that turned
the friggin' frogs gay.
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Charlie, that really hurt.
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[Talia]
That all came a bit later.
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[baby laughing]
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[crowd screaming]
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[Anthony Padilla]
I was like, "Video.
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Video is the next big thing
that's gonna be on the Internet.
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This is so cool.
"Like, you could record
something on
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God, you couldn't even record
on a cell phone then.
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It was like,
steal someone's webcam.
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[Power Rangers theme music]
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Well, we actually started
making videos
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before YouTube even existed.
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[lip syncing to music]
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[Anthony] We don't even have
broadband Internet yet.
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[lip syncing to music]
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Videos are not a thing
that you do on the Internet.
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[Mortal Kombat music playing]
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[lip syncing to music]
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[slapping sound effect]
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[Ian] You know, we had just
graduated from high school.
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We were 17 years old,
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all of our friends were going
off to colleges,
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and we decided to stay
in our hometown of Sacramento,
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go to community college.
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[Mortal Kombat music]
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Then somebody took one
of our videos and put it
on YouTube.
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I did a Google search,
and I found
that it was uploaded
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to this website called YouTube.
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Someone just ripped it
and posted it there.
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[Steve] What YouTube really
brought to the game was,
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I think, the ability to be able
to utilize the latest technology
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that was available, and then
building that
into a cohesive system
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that made it much easier
for the user experience.
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Millions of viewers now
from all over the world are
logging on
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to view their short films
and video projects,
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[female reporter] Their Pokรฉmon
video, the second most watched
clip on YouTube.com,
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more than 15 million views
so far.
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[Anthony] I'm like
this introverted kid who
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is terrified of speaking
in front of a class
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of, like, 30 kids, but yet...
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I'm like, I can do
this on my own,
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in my bedroom,
upload it, people can enjoy it.
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[skates rolling]
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When YouTube first arrived,
we didn't really have
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high-speed Internet connections
the way we do now.
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I didn't have a smartphone.
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[documentary narrator]
They're off.
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[Jillian] And so back then,
it was really exciting
to be able
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to go online and watch
a video that maybe
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you never would have
been able to access before.
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[documentary narrator]
This competitor is
determined to finish.
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[Jillian]
And yet at the same time,
it was slow.
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I think the first video I ever
uploaded to YouTube
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was of my cat drinking out
of my water glass.
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And I'd taken it with maybe
my first digital camera,
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and it took hours to get
it online, and I don't even
know why I did it.
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But it was just this exciting
moment to be able
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to share something
with the world like that.
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[cat licking]
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[bell ringing]
These are from a gentleman
at another table.
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-What?
-Enjoy.
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[Steve] " Dear sirs,
we would like to buy
your video sharing site.
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Milkshakes on us!"
[bell ringing]
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Awesome. Let's do it.
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Hi, YouTube.
This is Chad and Steve.
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We're the co-founders
of the site.
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And we just want
to say thank you.
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Today, we have some exciting
news for you.
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We've been acquired by Google.
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Yeah, thanks. Thanks to
every one of you guys that,
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have been contributing
to YouTube, the community.
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We wouldn't be anywhere
close to where we are
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without the help
of this community.
Thanks a lot.
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[soft tense music]
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[Brian Williams] There has been
a big merger in
the business world,
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One that may say a lot
about our world these days.
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[male host] Web giant
Google will pay 1.6 billion
to gobble up YouTube.
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[soft tense music]
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[soft music]
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[Susan Wojcicki] The light bulb
for me when I realized
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that YouTube
was going to be really big,
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was with this
very specific video,
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which was the first hit
that I saw, actually,
on Google Video.
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[lip syncing
to Backstreet Boys music]
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Of these two young students,
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singing the Backstreet Boys
in their dorm room,
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and their roommate is doing
homework in the back.
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I still laugh
when I see it today.
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[lip syncing]
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And I realized, "Wow,
this is going to be a big thing.
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People wanna see other people
like them on YouTube.
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This is going to be important."
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[soft tense music]
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One of the things that
I did was I did this model
where I forecasted
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that it was actually gonna be
a really big business,
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and we could justify the price
that we paid for it,
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which was 1.65 billion dollars,
which was a huge price.
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I had a hundred
percent conviction.
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There was no doubt in my mind
that this was gonna be
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a huge trend of the future.
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But there were many around
me that questioned it, for sure.
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I mean, we saw it in the press,
we saw other people who were
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supposedly, like,
tech experts say,
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"This was, like,
one of the stupidest
acquisitions ever."
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Like, someone told me
how that day
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they were with a bunch
of different Nobel Prize winners
in economics,
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and they were all talking about
what a bad acquisition this was,
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and how could have Google
made such a huge mistake?
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So I think people across
the board did not, like,
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recognize that this was
gonna be a really,
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really big opportunity.
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[Chad] This is the dinner
at YouTube. This is what it's
like to work here.
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We're gonna feature this video
tomorrow so...
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[soft tense music]
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[indistinct chattering]
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-[man] Cheers.
-[All] Cheers. Woo.
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I find it fascinating
the way I think
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younger Millennials,
and certainly Gen Z use YouTube
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almost the way the rest
of us use Google search.
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You know, that's where they go
to find information.
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For those of you that
are new here, Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday,
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I like to talk about
the news, world events,
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and then Friday, it is all
about the conversation.
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[Nitasha] I think that it can be
really wonderful, but it's just
always
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been baffling to me that
here is the most massive
video platform
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influencing billions
around the world,
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[horns honking]
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and, you know, for years,
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Google wouldn't even break out,
like, basic statistics about it
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in its quarterly earnings calls.
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You know I don't have any
specific metrics to give but...
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We definitely...
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are seeing impact and
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we think we are in early days of
the impact
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impact we can see.
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[Nitasha] And even just from
a financial standpoint,
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how did they just tuck this
under the Google umbrella
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as though this is just a,
like a side bet,
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when it is, like,
kind of the default portal
to information?
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[Steve] Yeah, the making
of YouTube...
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Here's your new keys
to your new office.
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-[Steve] All right, thanks.
-[Chad] Present you your key.
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[Steve] When Chad and I were
pointing some things,
they still gave us
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the decision-making power
to utilize the resources
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of Google after the acquisition,
but we were
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allowed to make the decisions
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of where we wanted
to take the product.
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[soft music]
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I think when it got
acquired by Google,
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the general narrowing
of the Internet, where like,
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there used to be web surfing
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where you would just, like,
bounce around
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all these different sites
from all these different
creators,
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and really be looking
at different things.
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And now we're much
more centralized on
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our social media feeds,
and there's a sense
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of much more controlled chaos.
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Like, everyone's talking
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and talking over each other
and contributing,
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but within these silos, there's
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the central platform
of the whole Internet.
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[calm music]
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[male narrator] The wheels
of the tech industry never
stop turning.
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And in 2007, we saw glimpse
after glimpse of new technology.
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[soft music]
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That was, like, the pinnacle
of the moment when everyone
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was so excited about
the potential of technology
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and social media to change
the world for the better.
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This is one device...
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[crowd cheering]
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and we are calling it iPhone.
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[Becca] There was this idea,
of, like, organizations,
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these old bureaucratic
institutions aren't going
to matter anymore
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because people can
kind of come together
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just using the Internet,
and can change the world
that way.
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[crowd chanting]
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[police screaming]
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[woman] I like to think
of this as the beginning
of the revolution.
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So this is a bunch of people
coming together to create
a new cultural impulse.
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[engine buzzing]
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[Jillian] States would control
what foreign media can do,
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and I think we really saw
this at the beginning
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of the Egyptian uprising,
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when there were only
a few networks that already had
people in the country.
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And those networks,
they didn't have the same kind
of access that people
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posting to YouTube did.
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I think because
of a lack of trust
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that the people had
in foreign media
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and reasonably so, because
foreign media had,
whether intentionally or not,
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had ignored a lot
of these issues for a long time.
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[crowd screaming]
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[interpreter] President
Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has
decided
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to wave the office
of the president
of the Republic.
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[crowd cheering]
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[male reporter] A voice which
ushered in a social revolution
in Egypt
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where the most powerful
weapon was social networking.
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[crowd cheering]
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[calm music]
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We were able to connect
with people all over the world.
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We were able to have
these conversations that would
expose things in our country,
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that helped us to understand
the connections between
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all of our countries
and the things that
we had in common.
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[calm music]
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This on?
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I'm Fred and...
Mom, I'm not using your camera!
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[Steve] I think one major change
that happened
after the acquisition,
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what eventually led
to this concept of the YouTuber.
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-Hey bitches!
-What's happening, forum?
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Hi, we're the Fine brothers.
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For those of you who don't
know me, I'm Brookers,
and I'm an Internet celebrity.
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[woman] He's an international
superstar, the most downloaded
man on the planet.
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You pretty much can stop
anyone here and ask them
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how they found out about K-pop,
they found out on YouTube.
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[K-pop music]
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[Steve] Korean K-Pop, that's
all possible because
all of a sudden
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you have content that
was being created
in one part of the world
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that just happened to have
viewers from the rest
of the world.
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[upbeat music]
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Pow!
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You became able to see
actual people
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living in other parts
of the country,
other parts of the world.
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Hi, everyone. [speaking Korean]
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...who were experiencing
the same things you were,
and maybe, you know,
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we're boldly speaking about them
in a different set of terms
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than you'd been able to access
through mainstream media.
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I'm back, Black, and ready
to lay the facts.
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[Jillian] If you're a person
of color who's not living
in a major city,
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who doesn't have connections
to other people
who look like you,
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then YouTube enables you
to see people who look like you
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who might share your perspective
or who might have a totally
different perspective.
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And so it allows you to see
a spectrum of people
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who maybe had some
of the same features as you,
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or the same proclivities as you,
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but who were engaging
in different activities
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than the people in your own
community were.
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Y'all are gonna be
my best friends.
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-Oh, my God!
-Oh, my God.
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-Oh, my God!
-Oh, my God.
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[Anthony] It was a couple
of years into us
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doing what we were doing
that we ever met anyone else
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that created content on YouTube.
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-I'm Toby.
-Hey everybody.
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It's Michael Buck
from the What the Buck Show.
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What's up? It's Brittani Taylor.
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I'm here at VidCon
with Josh Rhymer.
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[Anthony] And it was such
a surreal experience, like,
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seeing someone face to face
who also had a following,
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who understood this world.
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'Cause before that,
it was really, it was a lot
of talk about, like,
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how can you use this to get
into mainstream media?
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Like, New Media wasn't
a term, it was like,
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YouTube was just a place
for trash, is how they saw it.
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So get yourself
onto Nickelodeon or MTV.
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And like, we literally had
a meeting with MTV
and we pitched
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all these ideas and they didn't
know what to do with us.
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Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to my channel.
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It's your girl Jackie Aina.
If you are new here, welcome.
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[Susan] We've really had no
gatekeepers that have said,
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you know, "Send me your script
and I'll decide whether or not
we fund you."
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We just say, "Hey, post it
on YouTube."
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Tonight, my guests are
two transgender YouTubers
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from opposite ends
of the political spectrum.
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But I've brought them here
together to engage in
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a rational, free-thinking debate
about a timeless...
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[Natalie Wynn] YouTube is so
individual, right?
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Generally, video is something
that is produced with a big team
of people.
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[piano music]
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It's a very solitary project
for me.
Like, I write the script,
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I'm doing the wardrobe,
I'm doing the makeup,
I'm setting the camera up,
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I'm positioning the lights,
I designed the set.
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I turned the camera on,
I'm sitting in a room alone
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talking to the camera,
and then I edited it myself.
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I mean,
it's a very solitary project.
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[piano music]
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[piano music continues]
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I don't know, maybe this is
a little bit of vanity,
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but it's like, it feels like
a very personal like,
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more like writing
a book would feel
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than directing
a movie, you know?
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[piano music]
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I think I first uploaded
to YouTube in 2007.
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And it was a video
of me playing the piano.
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So YouTube as a website
has been in my life
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a long time,
since I was in high school.
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What do I look like to you,
some kind of philosopher?
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[harp notes]
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I majored in philosophy
and psychology,
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then I started getting
a PhD in philosophy,
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got two years into that
before realizing
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"I don't want to be an academic.
This does not suit me at all."
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Gentlemen of the Academy,
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it is my duty to submit to you
the findings of my latest
mimetic research.
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What are traps, and be they gay?
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I was using a philosophy
background and making arguments,
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but I'm also making
entertainment.
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[crowd cheering
and cameras clicking]
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[male reporter] YouTube
celebrities are laughing along
with their fans
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all the way to the bank.
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The last one of you take
your hand off this million
dollar stack of cash, keeps it.
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[female interviewer] How do you
go from working in a supermarket
five years ago
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to earning more than 12 million
pounds this year?
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Part of me is not sure.
I just do something that
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I absolutely love and put it
out there for anyone to watch.
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โช I don't need money
I don't need cars โช
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โช Girl you're my heart โช
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[Steve] You know,
some of the most recognized
musician names out there,
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they created their content
when they were 13, 14 years old,
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uploading it as sort
of an amateurish piece
of content onto YouTube.
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What's up guys, my name
is Shawn Mendes.
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[Steve] And then you fast
forward a few years,
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and they're performing
in front of hundreds
of thousands of people.
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[crowd screaming]
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[female newscaster] It's amazing
making money off of YouTube,
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and two Sacramento
20-somethings are on that list.
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[Anthony] Our channel was one
of the first ten channels
to ever be monetized.
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They said we will give you
$10,000 dollars each month
if you have
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these ads as part
of this partnership program.
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Obviously, that's
a shit ton of money for,
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God, we were 19 years old.
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[crowd screaming]
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[Natalie] In the early days,
no one was doing
this professionally,
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or very few people were.
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And if they were doing it,
it's because they were making
ad money.
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-[man] What the heck?
-I've never seen
a dead person.
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- You haven't?
-No, bro.
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[Natalie] That really affects
the kind of content that
you can make
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Because it incentivizes you
to make as much content
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that gets as many clicks
as possible by any means
necessary.
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[reporter] For more than a
month, Mona Lisa Perez said
her boyfriend
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had been begging her to launch
his YouTube channel
with a bang.
473
00:23:51,231 --> 00:23:55,200
I may fail, but if I fail,
I wanna die trying.
474
00:23:56,167 --> 00:23:58,721
[Boy] He has a microwave stuck
to his head.
475
00:23:58,859 --> 00:24:02,242
I know this sounds like
a prank call, but he was trying
to film a YouTube video.
476
00:24:02,967 --> 00:24:04,209
[Natalie] It doesn't have
to be good.
477
00:24:04,347 --> 00:24:06,177
People don't have
to wanna pay for it.
478
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,145
You just have to get eyes
on the video.
479
00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:12,666
Dear fat people. Ah! Some people
are already really mad
at this video.
480
00:24:12,804 --> 00:24:14,392
What are you going
to do, fat people?
What are you gonna do?
481
00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:15,842
What are you, gonna chase me?
482
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:17,637
All right,
pull up with the gang.
483
00:24:17,775 --> 00:24:20,225
You know, and look at who
they offer partnerships to.
484
00:24:20,363 --> 00:24:23,228
No channel grows to hundreds
of thousands or millions
of followers incidentally.
485
00:24:23,366 --> 00:24:24,885
Be sure to drop a like,
hit that subscribe button.
486
00:24:25,023 --> 00:24:26,991
15,000 likes on this video.
487
00:24:27,647 --> 00:24:30,650
[Talia] So much of it is about
generating clicks.
488
00:24:30,788 --> 00:24:34,377
Like, it's even rougher than
the news clickbait economy
489
00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:38,071
because you sink or swim
based on your impressions.
490
00:24:38,209 --> 00:24:40,038
And for a lot of people,
it's their sole livelihood,
491
00:24:40,176 --> 00:24:42,765
And so everything is
this capital letter,
492
00:24:42,903 --> 00:24:46,389
everything's sort
of in bold, and italics,
493
00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:47,908
and exclamation points.
494
00:24:48,046 --> 00:24:49,807
We've been getting 50,000 likes
495
00:24:49,945 --> 00:24:51,567
on all of my videos,
so go hit that like button.
496
00:24:51,705 --> 00:24:53,673
[soft music]
497
00:24:55,157 --> 00:24:57,297
[music continues]
498
00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:01,335
Everything on YouTube
changed when
499
00:25:01,473 --> 00:25:04,511
the recommender algorithm
was introduced in 2011.
500
00:25:05,132 --> 00:25:07,549
YouTube started rewarding
the content that had
501
00:25:07,687 --> 00:25:11,691
the highest click-through rates
and the highest watch time.
502
00:25:11,829 --> 00:25:13,624
And like, some kind
of combination of that.
503
00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:16,868
[upbeat music]
504
00:25:17,835 --> 00:25:20,596
[Anthony] The algorithm doesn't
differentiate between
505
00:25:20,734 --> 00:25:23,012
a positive piece of content
that makes you feel good,
506
00:25:23,150 --> 00:25:24,807
walk away with a smile
on your face,
507
00:25:24,945 --> 00:25:26,775
versus something
that pisses you off
508
00:25:26,913 --> 00:25:28,742
and makes you super angry.
509
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,987
In fact, it tends to sway
toward the stuff that makes
you angry,
510
00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:34,334
because you're more likely
to click on other videos
511
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:37,717
to learn more about this subject
that's upsetting you,
512
00:25:37,855 --> 00:25:40,582
you're more likely to respond
to a negative thing
513
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,101
that gets under your skin
if it's in the comments.
514
00:25:44,137 --> 00:25:47,209
Unless you are sort
of seeking out specific content,
515
00:25:47,347 --> 00:25:49,763
what YouTube serves you
is sort of a stew of the stuff
516
00:25:49,901 --> 00:25:52,594
that's meant to excite
and engage,
517
00:25:52,732 --> 00:25:55,251
you know, whether
positively or negatively.
518
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,154
[Anthony] YouTube also didn't
want clickbait to be the number
one thing
519
00:26:01,292 --> 00:26:02,983
that was dominating
the platform.
520
00:26:03,121 --> 00:26:04,813
I think that they cracked
down by saying,
521
00:26:04,951 --> 00:26:07,574
"Well, we'll reward whoever
sticks around the longest."
522
00:26:07,712 --> 00:26:10,301
So you can't just have that
enticing thumbnail and
trick people into getting there.
523
00:26:10,439 --> 00:26:14,201
You have to also captivate them
and keep them around.
524
00:26:16,134 --> 00:26:20,242
Part of me is scared
about what impacts
525
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:22,762
these algorithms
will have on the future
526
00:26:24,246 --> 00:26:27,456
because the algorithm
is a beast that really can't
be tamed
527
00:26:27,594 --> 00:26:29,803
once it's been unleashed
and it's already been unleashed.
528
00:26:29,941 --> 00:26:32,323
We have some really big
projects, we got Food Battle,
of course, coming up,
529
00:26:32,461 --> 00:26:34,877
we've got some big music
videos we're working on.
530
00:26:35,015 --> 00:26:36,534
-Yeah.
-We're upping our game.
531
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:39,157
[Anthony] But it's like,
it's an endless loop.
532
00:26:40,918 --> 00:26:42,816
You step away from YouTube
for a little while as
a content creator
533
00:26:42,954 --> 00:26:44,853
and you feel a little...
534
00:26:45,819 --> 00:26:48,719
pain in your heart.
Like, what if
people stop...
535
00:26:49,133 --> 00:26:50,962
What, are people gonna
forget about me
536
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:52,999
if I take two or three
weeks off?
537
00:26:53,137 --> 00:26:54,828
or even a month off,
are people...?
538
00:26:54,966 --> 00:26:58,660
Is the algorithm not going
to show my content
to anyone again?
539
00:26:58,798 --> 00:27:01,214
So the algorithm is controlling
the creator in that sense.
540
00:27:01,352 --> 00:27:05,770
It makes you feel obligated
to continue your momentum.
541
00:27:05,908 --> 00:27:08,808
You can't break your momentum
is kind of the feeling
that most people have.
542
00:27:08,946 --> 00:27:10,948
[eerie music]
543
00:27:11,086 --> 00:27:13,605
These platforms are in
the engagement business.
544
00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:15,711
At the end of the day, they're
giving away their products
for free.
545
00:27:15,849 --> 00:27:18,990
And the way they make money is
by keeping you on the platform
546
00:27:19,128 --> 00:27:21,544
for as long as possible,
extracting data from you,
547
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,754
and delivering ads.
548
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,239
Now Facebook, it's very easy
to see the recommendation
algorithms.
549
00:27:26,377 --> 00:27:30,415
Your newsfeed is
100% curated for you
550
00:27:30,553 --> 00:27:33,211
to provide you with articles
that will keep you
551
00:27:33,349 --> 00:27:35,110
on the platform for
as long as possible.
552
00:27:35,248 --> 00:27:37,250
YouTube, it's a little bit less
obvious,
553
00:27:37,388 --> 00:27:40,805
But if you look at the viewing
patterns on YouTube,
554
00:27:40,943 --> 00:27:43,359
a full 70%, 7-0,
555
00:27:43,497 --> 00:27:46,121
of all YouTube videos that
are watched today
556
00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:50,539
are recommended by YouTube
through Watch Next,
557
00:27:50,677 --> 00:27:52,955
so the autoplay that is
by default on,
558
00:27:53,093 --> 00:27:55,406
and then the Recommended
For You panel
559
00:27:55,544 --> 00:27:57,408
and the recommendations
on the right hand side.
560
00:27:57,546 --> 00:27:58,961
How's it choosing those?
561
00:27:59,099 --> 00:28:01,584
So of course,
part of that algorithm is,
562
00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,621
"This is something
that is relevant to this."
563
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,450
But some of it is that,
564
00:28:05,588 --> 00:28:07,107
"Look, we know people will click
on this, and if you click on it,
565
00:28:07,245 --> 00:28:09,489
I get more data
and I get more ads."
566
00:28:10,214 --> 00:28:11,594
And that has led to lots
of problems.
567
00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:13,562
The rabbit hole effect,
the echo chamber.
568
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,875
So for example, if you go
on to YouTube today
569
00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:17,635
you click on moon landing,
570
00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:20,155
within a couple of clicks,
you will be in La-la Land
571
00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:21,673
talking about conspiracy
theories
572
00:28:21,812 --> 00:28:23,883
around that the moon
landing is faked.
573
00:28:24,021 --> 00:28:28,853
A full 10% of recommendations
were conspiratorial.
574
00:28:28,991 --> 00:28:30,372
That's insane.
575
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:33,271
Well, I just got kicked out
of Starbucks for asking
576
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:36,481
NASA employee questions
because he's lying.
577
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,141
[Hany] So it's not just that
these platforms are neutral.
578
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,109
You know,
it'd be one thing to say,
579
00:28:43,247 --> 00:28:44,973
"Hey, look, we are sitting back,
people can upload videos,
580
00:28:45,111 --> 00:28:46,457
you get to look
at what you want."
581
00:28:46,595 --> 00:28:48,321
That's not how
these platforms work.
582
00:28:48,459 --> 00:28:51,220
They are choosing
to amplify things that engage.
583
00:28:51,358 --> 00:28:54,499
And what we know is that
the more conspiratorial,
the more hateful,
584
00:28:54,637 --> 00:28:56,363
the more divisive,
the more it engages.
585
00:28:56,501 --> 00:28:58,849
Dipshit.
And get that camera out of my...
586
00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:03,060
[engine roaring]
587
00:29:06,132 --> 00:29:08,134
[calm music]
588
00:29:08,479 --> 00:29:11,413
[Caleb Cain] I realized that
the Internet was a place
589
00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:15,244
where a lot of people
describe it as escapism,
and I kind of resent that.
590
00:29:15,382 --> 00:29:18,765
Because it's not just that,
I had video games for escapism.
591
00:29:18,903 --> 00:29:22,044
I had, you know, going out
with my friends for escapism.
592
00:29:22,182 --> 00:29:23,528
But what the Internet had was,
593
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,841
especially in the early days
of YouTube,
594
00:29:26,186 --> 00:29:28,223
you could find
dissident information,
595
00:29:28,361 --> 00:29:30,915
You could find information
on there that was outside
the culture.
596
00:29:31,364 --> 00:29:33,987
And the reason that's
so important is because
you can't see
597
00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:37,473
contradictions in your society
unless you get
outside the culture.
598
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:40,994
[calm music]
599
00:29:41,995 --> 00:29:45,827
Suddenly, I could start to see
how things in my life
weren't working
600
00:29:45,965 --> 00:29:48,933
because I could see what
was going on in other places.
601
00:29:49,658 --> 00:29:51,694
It didn't always lead you
to the right place.
602
00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:55,802
And sometimes the truth comes
with a lie and a price tag.
603
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:59,737
But you had freedom
that you never had before,
604
00:29:59,875 --> 00:30:03,051
and that I never experienced
in my day-to-day life.
605
00:30:04,293 --> 00:30:07,538
Hi, everybody. My name is Caleb.
606
00:30:09,057 --> 00:30:10,886
You know, welcome to my channel.
607
00:30:12,784 --> 00:30:17,789
So you can probably tell
by the description
608
00:30:18,376 --> 00:30:22,070
on the video, in the title,
what this is gonna be about.
609
00:30:24,141 --> 00:30:27,316
So I'm just gonna get
right into it.
610
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:34,082
I fell down
the alt-right rabbit hole.
611
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,256
So it begins.
612
00:30:36,394 --> 00:30:39,225
You're in a death battle,
New World Order. We know.
613
00:30:39,363 --> 00:30:41,192
If I lived in Saudi Arabia,
they'd kill me.
614
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:42,884
If I lived in China,
they'd kill me.
615
00:30:43,022 --> 00:30:45,196
You still gotta sell your soul.
616
00:30:45,334 --> 00:30:46,957
You gotta write
your name in blood.
617
00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:49,373
[man] Whites are getting fed up,
618
00:30:49,511 --> 00:30:53,066
Whites are getting tired
of being disenfranchised
and neglected.
619
00:30:53,204 --> 00:30:55,448
Hail our people. Hail victory.
620
00:30:55,586 --> 00:30:57,415
[laughs]
621
00:30:57,553 --> 00:30:59,279
[screams]
622
00:30:59,417 --> 00:31:00,729
[Caleb]
Well, at first I was kinda just
depressed skimming the web.
623
00:31:00,867 --> 00:31:02,524
But I think at some point,
624
00:31:02,662 --> 00:31:05,423
I had found this video called
"God is in the Neurons,"
625
00:31:05,561 --> 00:31:08,323
and it was from this YouTuber
that I used to watch in
high school,
626
00:31:08,461 --> 00:31:10,325
And it gave me this concept that
627
00:31:10,463 --> 00:31:12,465
I could rewire my brain
and really self-improve.
628
00:31:12,603 --> 00:31:16,469
[man] Our beliefs have
a profound impact on
our body chemistry.
629
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:18,954
[Caleb] And that took me
to self-help content.
630
00:31:19,092 --> 00:31:21,474
And then the algorithm just
started feeding up
more self-help content.
631
00:31:21,612 --> 00:31:24,339
There is no such thing
as mental illness.
632
00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:26,306
[Caleb] You start with someone
like Stefan
633
00:31:26,444 --> 00:31:28,067
because you're looking
for self-help.
634
00:31:28,584 --> 00:31:30,552
And so we call that
an on-ramp, right?
635
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:33,037
In the study of extremism,
we would call that an on-ramp.
636
00:31:33,175 --> 00:31:36,282
And you go from that self-help,
637
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:39,354
which has now validated
your identity,
638
00:31:39,492 --> 00:31:41,632
it's given you
a direction to go,
639
00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:45,843
it's given you an algorithmic
list, to use the word
a bit ironically,
640
00:31:45,981 --> 00:31:47,258
of things that you have to do.
641
00:31:47,396 --> 00:31:48,846
And I'll tell you what,
642
00:31:48,984 --> 00:31:50,744
people are looking for
that in a complicated world
643
00:31:50,882 --> 00:31:53,230
and especially young
men are looking for that.
644
00:31:53,368 --> 00:31:56,060
It's now time
for the return of men.
645
00:31:57,130 --> 00:32:01,721
[Caleb] It seems that
the algorithm would always
pull you towards
646
00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:03,412
the more hyperbolic content,
647
00:32:03,550 --> 00:32:05,725
towards the content that
was a bit more extreme.
648
00:32:05,863 --> 00:32:09,867
Muslims by the million
have been pouring into Europe.
649
00:32:10,316 --> 00:32:12,214
And you can see
the terrible problems
650
00:32:12,352 --> 00:32:14,389
that have arisen
as a consequence.
651
00:32:14,527 --> 00:32:16,874
[Caleb] And there was
an uncomfortability when
you went a bit deeper
652
00:32:17,012 --> 00:32:18,600
into this specific ideology,
653
00:32:18,738 --> 00:32:22,259
because not only is
it depressing, but it's hateful,
654
00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,847
That specific rabbit hole,
655
00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:28,817
I feel like what it was truly
doing was, it wasn't
radicalizing me,
656
00:32:28,955 --> 00:32:33,546
I was already radicalizing
because of how
my life was going.
657
00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:38,620
But it was killing my empathy.
It was turning me
into a sociopath.
658
00:32:39,897 --> 00:32:42,658
[insects buzzing]
659
00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:52,047
YouTube is now like a Walmart in
a town where there's a Walmart
660
00:32:52,185 --> 00:32:54,636
and a Dollar General and a CVS.
661
00:32:54,774 --> 00:32:58,157
Like it's one of the sole
organizing destinations.
662
00:32:58,295 --> 00:32:59,675
And in the case
of the far right,
663
00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:01,746
and like, right-wing
political content,
664
00:33:01,884 --> 00:33:03,369
radicalizing political content,
665
00:33:03,507 --> 00:33:06,544
it's like Walmart having
a big old gun aisle.
666
00:33:12,205 --> 00:33:13,827
[Natalie]
Well, I think a lot of people
667
00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:16,934
come to YouTube to do
commentary, to do politics
668
00:33:17,072 --> 00:33:21,352
because they feel like
their perspective is not
represented elsewhere.
669
00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:24,114
Words like racist, misogynistic,
670
00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:26,944
and transphobic are not insults,
671
00:33:27,427 --> 00:33:30,327
nor are they stereotypes
or generalizations.
672
00:33:30,844 --> 00:33:33,985
Rather, they are facts about
the way we are socialized
673
00:33:34,124 --> 00:33:35,780
in a Western society.
674
00:33:35,918 --> 00:33:38,093
I'll be honest with you,
if I hate anything about
Black culture,
675
00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:41,476
it's that it's such
a victim culture,
almost a victim cult.
676
00:33:42,028 --> 00:33:44,272
[Natalie] I do think in general
that people who feel
marginalized
677
00:33:44,410 --> 00:33:47,861
or who feel like they're
on the fringe, tend to gather
on YouTube.
678
00:33:47,999 --> 00:33:49,415
You don't deserve to get laid.
679
00:33:49,553 --> 00:33:51,382
[Caleb]
Then come along the alt right,
680
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,005
and they really took
that whole dynamic
681
00:33:54,144 --> 00:33:57,319
and just revolutionized it
and innovated it.
682
00:33:57,802 --> 00:34:01,151
And then they took many
of those Internet nihilists
683
00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,809
and they took
that radical energy,
and they directed it
684
00:34:05,741 --> 00:34:08,779
well,
towards dominance, and fear,
685
00:34:08,917 --> 00:34:10,401
and hate, to be honest with you.
686
00:34:11,161 --> 00:34:13,887
[sigh]
Well, this is my last video.
687
00:34:15,268 --> 00:34:16,959
It all has to come to this.
688
00:34:17,615 --> 00:34:19,962
You forced me
to suffer all my life,
689
00:34:20,377 --> 00:34:22,551
and now
I'll make you all suffer.
690
00:34:24,691 --> 00:34:27,038
[female TV host] An angry and
psychologically twisted young
man whose public rantings
691
00:34:27,177 --> 00:34:29,075
exploded into sheer terror.
692
00:34:29,213 --> 00:34:30,766
[gunshots]
693
00:34:30,904 --> 00:34:32,803
[policeman]
Shots fired. Shots fired.
694
00:34:32,941 --> 00:34:35,461
[female TV host]
Taking six young lives
and injuring 13.
695
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,739
A virgin vowing revenge
696
00:34:37,877 --> 00:34:42,399
in a twisted video he posted
Friday, addressed at his
perceived enemies,
697
00:34:42,537 --> 00:34:44,780
young women he says
rejected him.
698
00:34:44,918 --> 00:34:49,647
You will finally see that I am,
in truth, the superior one,
699
00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:52,719
the true alpha male.
700
00:34:53,755 --> 00:34:57,068
[woman] Aggression, violence
and unbridled ambition can't be
eliminated
701
00:34:57,207 --> 00:34:58,346
from the male psyche.
702
00:34:58,484 --> 00:35:00,244
They can only be harnessed.
703
00:35:00,382 --> 00:35:02,522
Rape, murder, war.
704
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:04,524
They all have two things
in common.
705
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:08,287
Bad men who do the raping,
murdering and warring,
706
00:35:08,425 --> 00:35:09,943
and weak men
who won't stop them.
707
00:35:10,081 --> 00:35:11,876
We need good men who will.
708
00:35:12,739 --> 00:35:14,845
PragerU is an interesting
example because
709
00:35:14,983 --> 00:35:17,675
they pitch themselves
as an educational channel.
710
00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:21,610
They very much mimic
online course stuff,
711
00:35:21,748 --> 00:35:25,580
but what they're feeding you
is very, very, quite radical
712
00:35:25,718 --> 00:35:27,306
right wing ideology.
713
00:35:27,444 --> 00:35:29,204
My message has been simple.
714
00:35:29,756 --> 00:35:32,000
Islam is not
a religion of peace.
715
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:35,417
[Talia] I think one
of the things to debunk
is this idea that
716
00:35:35,555 --> 00:35:37,454
it's solely an algorithm issue.
717
00:35:37,592 --> 00:35:39,939
One big mechanism
of radicalization,
718
00:35:40,077 --> 00:35:42,459
it's not just algorithmic,
it's very deliberate.
719
00:35:42,597 --> 00:35:47,118
These channels, they build
parasocial relationships
with their viewers
720
00:35:47,257 --> 00:35:49,569
so they feel a deep
connection with you.
721
00:35:49,707 --> 00:35:52,158
I think it's more visceral
with video content.
722
00:35:52,296 --> 00:35:55,023
I think it's more intense
with video content.
723
00:35:55,161 --> 00:35:58,958
My name is Candace Owens,
and you are watching
my vlog series.
724
00:35:59,096 --> 00:36:02,479
[Talia] You know, the sort
of confessional vlog-y, casual,
725
00:36:02,617 --> 00:36:04,929
"This is my living room,
you're looking at me,"
726
00:36:05,482 --> 00:36:10,659
kind of style, really, really
facilitates that kind
of parasocial relationship.
727
00:36:10,797 --> 00:36:13,697
I just wanted to say thank you.
I've seen some of the comments.
728
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,493
Some of you are a marvel.
You send actual letters.
729
00:36:16,803 --> 00:36:19,116
[Talia] And it's just, like,
a Suggested Follows,
730
00:36:19,254 --> 00:36:21,152
And that's its own issue.
731
00:36:21,291 --> 00:36:23,396
Because these are very
well-funded channels,
732
00:36:23,534 --> 00:36:25,571
these are big moneymakers.
733
00:36:25,709 --> 00:36:27,918
[Steven Crowder]
There are two videos completed
here, Louder with Crowder.
734
00:36:28,056 --> 00:36:30,334
This team never would've
been able to do,
735
00:36:30,472 --> 00:36:32,198
if not for this man, Kevin,
736
00:36:32,336 --> 00:36:35,512
lending us his personal plane.
737
00:36:36,651 --> 00:36:39,274
[woman]
My skin's been pretty good,
to be honest.
738
00:36:39,999 --> 00:36:41,690
I think YouTube is
a very intimate format.
739
00:36:41,828 --> 00:36:43,382
If you're watching
a YouTube video,
740
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,694
people tend to watch
it by themselves,
741
00:36:45,832 --> 00:36:47,455
you watch it while you're
eating, you watch it while
you're going to bed.
742
00:36:47,593 --> 00:36:49,595
You're watching
one person talk to you.
743
00:36:49,905 --> 00:36:51,562
There's something very
intimate about that.
744
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,255
You feel like you know
this person.
745
00:36:54,393 --> 00:36:59,501
It's a little bit uncanny,
you know, because they feel
that they know me,
746
00:37:00,157 --> 00:37:02,021
but I don't know them.
747
00:37:02,711 --> 00:37:04,575
We've talked about some heavy
stuff on this channel.
748
00:37:04,713 --> 00:37:06,301
But I was gonna say,
"Oh, it's one of th..."
749
00:37:06,439 --> 00:37:09,753
You know, if someone's
broadcasting from their bedroom,
750
00:37:09,891 --> 00:37:12,238
you feel this real sense
of intimacy with them,
751
00:37:12,376 --> 00:37:15,517
you feel like you know
the intimate details
of their lives.
752
00:37:15,655 --> 00:37:20,142
I remember once I had
a girlfriend who was not
jealous to begin with,
753
00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:21,972
but became kind of jealous,
754
00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:24,526
particularly as I became
more successful
as an entrepreneur.
755
00:37:24,664 --> 00:37:26,873
She became more jealous
and more insecure.
756
00:37:28,737 --> 00:37:30,532
[Becca] And then when they start
kind of telling you
about their beliefs
757
00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:32,741
and views,
that packs a real punch
758
00:37:32,879 --> 00:37:35,951
that other delivery
mechanisms wouldn't.
759
00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:39,300
The right are the producers,
the makers,
and the left are the takers
760
00:37:39,438 --> 00:37:41,888
or those who manage that
taking and thereby gain
political power
761
00:37:42,026 --> 00:37:45,133
by being able to hand out gifts
that they have not earned
762
00:37:45,271 --> 00:37:47,100
but are taking from the makers.
763
00:37:47,618 --> 00:37:51,553
[Becca] And so there's become
this kind of cottage industry of
764
00:37:51,691 --> 00:37:56,247
far-right creators on YouTube
who take advantage of that
765
00:37:56,386 --> 00:37:58,008
and broadcast to their audiences
766
00:37:58,146 --> 00:38:01,183
and are quite effective
at radicalizing them.
767
00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,842
I'm a weapon.
I'm made to be thrown at you.
[laughs]
768
00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:09,399
[uplifting music]
769
00:38:12,091 --> 00:38:14,473
Just between you and I,
I know the cameras aren't
on right now, right?
770
00:38:14,611 --> 00:38:15,888
-Say, "What?"
-What?
771
00:38:16,026 --> 00:38:17,579
I know the cameras are not
on right now.
772
00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:19,685
-Keep saying, "What"?
-What?
773
00:38:19,823 --> 00:38:21,342
[laughs]
774
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,965
[Anthony]
Yeah, I mean, it was
really hard for me to,
775
00:38:24,103 --> 00:38:26,347
like, even think about where
YouTube was going because
we're so caught up in it.
776
00:38:26,485 --> 00:38:31,110
But I definitely thought that
it was going to replace
mainstream media.
777
00:38:31,697 --> 00:38:33,906
All right. Love you guys.
Thanks again for supporting.
778
00:38:34,044 --> 00:38:35,597
-Thank you.
-Love you. Bye.
779
00:38:35,735 --> 00:38:38,911
I knew that this was going
to be the way
780
00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:41,431
that the Internet
was going to go.
781
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,192
I've had offers to do a show
for Netflix, or for Amazon
782
00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:46,953
or cable TV, or whatever.
I always declined them.
783
00:38:47,091 --> 00:38:49,611
Because I don't really see why
784
00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:52,373
I would give up
my own creative control,
785
00:38:52,511 --> 00:38:56,860
and this, like, child that
I've raised, basically.
786
00:38:56,998 --> 00:38:58,965
you know, I want to keep it.
787
00:38:59,103 --> 00:39:00,864
[saw buzzing]
788
00:39:02,003 --> 00:39:05,834
[Susan] We're a platform
that enables creators
789
00:39:05,972 --> 00:39:07,664
who are really next
generation media companies.
790
00:39:07,802 --> 00:39:09,424
Welcome back to my channel,
everyone.
791
00:39:09,562 --> 00:39:11,392
Today I wanna show you guys
some life hacks. Now, before...
792
00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:13,601
[Susan] We've seen so many
people take their passions,
793
00:39:13,739 --> 00:39:15,188
whether it's about cooking,
794
00:39:15,326 --> 00:39:17,190
woodworking, music,
795
00:39:17,812 --> 00:39:20,193
and turn that into a business
and become a creator
796
00:39:20,331 --> 00:39:23,162
and become a global media
company on YouTube.
797
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,958
Hello. Hi. How's it going?
798
00:39:26,096 --> 00:39:29,755
I finally got it.
I got the 10 million
subscriber plaque
799
00:39:29,893 --> 00:39:32,551
But this is special because
it represents, like,
800
00:39:32,689 --> 00:39:35,070
how far we have come
as a community,
801
00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:38,902
and it represents, you know,
how much we have accomplished.
802
00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,871
[birds chirping]
803
00:39:44,286 --> 00:39:47,945
[Brianna Wu] What I thought was
so amazing about YouTube
when it first came out
804
00:39:48,083 --> 00:39:50,948
is it really allowed
this hyper-segmentation.
805
00:39:51,535 --> 00:39:55,884
So if you were a gamer
that wanted to understand tricks
806
00:39:56,022 --> 00:40:00,441
from an obscure Japanese game
from 20 years ago,
807
00:40:00,579 --> 00:40:02,443
[upbeat music]
808
00:40:02,581 --> 00:40:04,962
boom, that exists out there.
809
00:40:05,722 --> 00:40:08,207
[upbeat music continues]
810
00:40:09,139 --> 00:40:13,626
And it was just
this massive explosion.
811
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,734
But I think for me,
obviously Gamergate was
812
00:40:17,872 --> 00:40:22,221
when I really realized
something was going off course.
813
00:40:22,773 --> 00:40:25,017
[dramatic music]
814
00:40:25,155 --> 00:40:28,917
I had just finished shipping
my very first game.
815
00:40:29,055 --> 00:40:32,818
And, you know, getting into
a political fight with
the Internet
816
00:40:32,956 --> 00:40:34,889
was the last thing
I wanted to do.
817
00:40:35,614 --> 00:40:40,273
But people on YouTube had
started to come together
in a way
818
00:40:40,411 --> 00:40:43,518
to silence women
in the game industry
819
00:40:44,277 --> 00:40:47,695
that were starting to ask
for more representation,
820
00:40:47,833 --> 00:40:52,078
asking to be higher,
asking to be given
more opportunity.
821
00:40:52,216 --> 00:40:54,080
[gentle music]
822
00:40:54,356 --> 00:40:57,532
It started out with
this kind of Tumblr-style
823
00:40:57,670 --> 00:41:00,086
call-out post about Zoeรซ Quinn.
824
00:41:00,224 --> 00:41:02,157
[Natalie] I guess
her ex-boyfriend accused her
825
00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,884
of sleeping with journalists
and cheating on him.
826
00:41:05,022 --> 00:41:07,197
And I started to speak
out against it.
827
00:41:07,335 --> 00:41:09,717
[calm music]
828
00:41:09,958 --> 00:41:11,615
I was sitting
at my home one day,
829
00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:14,376
and I get this really credible
830
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:18,070
list of death threats that
went mega viral on the Internet,
831
00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:20,486
and they are burned
into my brain.
832
00:41:20,624 --> 00:41:22,592
[gasps]
833
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,905
"Guess what, bitch,
I know where you and
your husband live."
834
00:41:26,043 --> 00:41:29,840
They give my address.
"You're going to die tonight."
835
00:41:29,978 --> 00:41:33,326
"I'm going to rape you
with your husband's
836
00:41:33,464 --> 00:41:35,743
tiny Asian penis
until you bleed."
837
00:41:36,053 --> 00:41:38,677
"If you have any children,
they're going to die, too."
838
00:41:38,815 --> 00:41:44,096
That was the moment that
I decided I wasn't safe
at my home.
839
00:41:44,234 --> 00:41:48,652
And I left, and I got the police
and the FBI involved.
840
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:53,657
Brianna Wu is a games developer
who says she was forced
841
00:41:53,899 --> 00:41:58,420
to leave her home over
the weekend after receiving
targeted threats.
842
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,353
She joins me now from Boston.
843
00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:02,459
[Zoeรซ] Instantly,
they dived in to,
844
00:42:02,597 --> 00:42:05,773
"Find where she lives.
Find where all these people
live.
845
00:42:05,911 --> 00:42:07,222
What are we going
to do about her?
846
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,466
Can we hack her e-mail?"
Like, instantly?
847
00:42:09,604 --> 00:42:11,157
[mouse clicks]
848
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:13,988
And then all of these accounts
started being made
849
00:42:14,126 --> 00:42:18,268
to talk about really
disgusting personal details
850
00:42:18,406 --> 00:42:21,443
and talk about like, make really
disgusting sexual comments.
851
00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:26,794
And it's the first thing
you lose is all perspective.
852
00:42:27,311 --> 00:42:29,797
[soft tense music]
853
00:42:30,314 --> 00:42:32,385
[Brianna]
There was an organized effort
854
00:42:32,523 --> 00:42:36,976
to basically do SEO warfare,
search engine warfare.
855
00:42:37,114 --> 00:42:38,633
You know this as well as I do.
856
00:42:38,771 --> 00:42:40,531
If I type your name
into the Internet,
857
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:44,121
a bunch of YouTube videos are
going to be the first thing
listed.
858
00:42:44,674 --> 00:42:46,572
So what Gamergate figured out
859
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:48,885
was that they could gain the SEO
860
00:42:49,437 --> 00:42:51,612
and start putting out
these videos, you know,
861
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:56,271
Brianna Wu is a terrible person
for A, B, C, D, and E,
862
00:42:57,307 --> 00:42:59,447
and basically malign my name.
863
00:42:59,585 --> 00:43:03,969
YouTube was a major part
of the harassment
that I received.
864
00:43:05,108 --> 00:43:07,386
[seagulls squawking]
865
00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:09,526
[horns honking]
866
00:43:09,664 --> 00:43:11,459
[engine revving]
867
00:43:11,597 --> 00:43:13,426
[horns honking]
868
00:43:13,564 --> 00:43:15,601
[Carrie Goldberg]
Yeah, I hear that a lot
where people are like,
869
00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:18,811
"Listen, the Internet,
it's just a mirror on society.
870
00:43:18,949 --> 00:43:21,434
And so why should
we be focusing on fixing
871
00:43:21,572 --> 00:43:24,403
the Internet instead
of on society?
872
00:43:25,611 --> 00:43:27,061
And the thing is,
873
00:43:27,475 --> 00:43:29,926
that, in my opinion,
and my experience
874
00:43:30,064 --> 00:43:33,964
as a lawyer for people who've
been fucked over by tech,
875
00:43:34,102 --> 00:43:37,105
is that it is itself the weapon.
876
00:43:37,243 --> 00:43:38,693
The Internet has
created this, like,
877
00:43:38,831 --> 00:43:41,385
really convenient
mechanism to harm.
878
00:43:41,523 --> 00:43:44,872
and the platforms are making,
just like they're minting money
off of it.
879
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:48,565
And so I don't agree that
it is just a reflection
of society.
880
00:43:48,703 --> 00:43:50,394
It's changed society.
881
00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:55,192
[dramatic music]
882
00:43:57,885 --> 00:43:59,818
The thing about the algorithm is
883
00:43:59,956 --> 00:44:01,820
what they're recommending
is a harm.
884
00:44:01,958 --> 00:44:05,133
Their lust for hijacking
people's attention
885
00:44:05,271 --> 00:44:06,756
is an additional harm.
886
00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:10,173
The other issue of them
publishing content
887
00:44:10,311 --> 00:44:13,866
that is itself harmful,
that they're not removing.
888
00:44:14,004 --> 00:44:16,351
[Norah O'Donnell] We begin with
breaking news in Virginia.
889
00:44:16,489 --> 00:44:19,665
A gunman opened fire during
a live TV news interview.
890
00:44:19,803 --> 00:44:24,463
A reporter and photographer
with our CBS affiliate WDBJ
891
00:44:24,601 --> 00:44:26,189
in Roanoke were killed.
892
00:44:26,396 --> 00:44:28,881
[male reporter] Andy Parker
couldn't get video
893
00:44:29,019 --> 00:44:33,058
of his daughter's murder
off of Google's YouTube.
894
00:44:34,991 --> 00:44:37,062
[soft tense music]
895
00:44:39,029 --> 00:44:41,273
[birds chirping]
896
00:44:42,515 --> 00:44:46,554
[Andy] I went to YouTube,
typed in Alison Parker,
897
00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:50,316
and literally there were pages
and pages and pages.
898
00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:55,045
There must have been
25 to 50 pages of, you know,
899
00:44:55,183 --> 00:44:57,703
thankfully it didn't autoplay,
but you knew what it was.
900
00:44:57,841 --> 00:45:00,671
And in the titles of it,
a lot of it was,
901
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:02,397
"See, the whole thing was fake."
902
00:45:02,535 --> 00:45:05,228
You know, it was, like,
one thing after another.
903
00:45:06,194 --> 00:45:10,405
It's not like you can
just call up Google customer
service and go,
904
00:45:10,543 --> 00:45:12,580
"Hey, you know,
I got a problem here."
905
00:45:12,718 --> 00:45:14,962
[soft tense music]
906
00:45:16,895 --> 00:45:18,931
[Susan] Well, we've invested
a huge amount in the area
of responsibility.
907
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:22,763
We also have thousands
of people who help us
with the enforcement.
908
00:45:22,901 --> 00:45:26,974
We have machines
that remove, you know,
909
00:45:27,112 --> 00:45:31,357
almost 90% of the videos
before anyone has to see them.
910
00:45:31,495 --> 00:45:34,050
So we have a huge initiative
across the board
911
00:45:34,188 --> 00:45:36,121
to make sure that we're
staying current in terms
912
00:45:36,259 --> 00:45:40,056
of the creation of the policies
as well as the enforcement
913
00:45:40,194 --> 00:45:41,712
of those policies
to find those videos
914
00:45:41,851 --> 00:45:44,612
as quickly as possible,
and make sure they're removed.
915
00:45:45,268 --> 00:45:49,824
If you need me to work
on the op papers,
916
00:45:49,962 --> 00:45:51,653
I'm free and available.
917
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:55,243
It just makes me feel
like individuals don't stand
a chance.
918
00:45:55,692 --> 00:45:57,004
You've got this like,
919
00:45:57,142 --> 00:45:59,006
multi-billion dollar company
that's saying,
920
00:45:59,765 --> 00:46:01,663
you know, that's just like
lording over, like,
921
00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:05,806
ownership of your dead
daughter's murder video
over you,
922
00:46:05,944 --> 00:46:09,464
that are saying, "We're not
going to take it down because,
923
00:46:09,879 --> 00:46:12,640
you know, like, you aren't
the copyright holder of it.
924
00:46:12,778 --> 00:46:16,817
And even though our terms
of service says that we ban
925
00:46:16,955 --> 00:46:18,991
this kind of violent imagery,
926
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,132
we don't have
the legal requirement
927
00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:23,893
to even enforce
our terms of service.
928
00:46:24,031 --> 00:46:26,447
Like, you can't make us
do anything."
929
00:46:27,172 --> 00:46:29,553
We have kind of a mantra
of don't be evil,
930
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:34,075
which is to do the best things
that we know how for our users,
931
00:46:34,213 --> 00:46:36,767
for our customers
and for everyone.
932
00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:39,046
And so, I think if
we were known for that,
933
00:46:39,184 --> 00:46:40,875
it would be a wonderful thing.
934
00:46:42,704 --> 00:46:44,568
[Larry] When Google,
the two founders said,
935
00:46:45,017 --> 00:46:46,985
"Our motto is don't be evil."
936
00:46:47,226 --> 00:46:48,503
And for a while they weren't.
937
00:46:48,641 --> 00:46:51,265
But now they are
the personification of evil,
938
00:46:51,713 --> 00:46:53,198
and they don't care.
939
00:46:54,371 --> 00:46:56,373
You can flag this stuff,
and then
940
00:46:56,511 --> 00:46:59,135
you can make that go away,
but then something
else will pop up.
941
00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:04,071
That's why I said we have
to go after the great
white whale, Google.
942
00:47:05,003 --> 00:47:08,178
[soft piano music]
943
00:47:11,388 --> 00:47:12,976
So YouTube likes to say
944
00:47:13,114 --> 00:47:16,255
it's a completely different
company from Google.
945
00:47:16,877 --> 00:47:18,499
What's your opinion about that?
946
00:47:18,637 --> 00:47:21,157
My experience is
the two have always been
947
00:47:21,295 --> 00:47:24,608
treated as synonymous
in every interaction
948
00:47:24,746 --> 00:47:26,576
I've ever had at Google.
949
00:47:26,714 --> 00:47:29,268
I can tell you the impression
I've gotten is that
these products
950
00:47:29,406 --> 00:47:31,443
are kind of all under
one umbrella.
951
00:47:31,581 --> 00:47:34,653
I realize it's more complicated
than that when you get to,
952
00:47:34,791 --> 00:47:36,897
you know, product managers
and who owns what,
953
00:47:37,035 --> 00:47:41,625
but, I personally don't find
that excuse credible.
954
00:47:42,799 --> 00:47:44,559
[tense music]
955
00:47:45,215 --> 00:47:49,357
I think that Google has really
been far ahead of the game
956
00:47:49,495 --> 00:47:52,429
from its competitors
in terms of anticipating
957
00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:54,880
these legislative fights.
958
00:47:55,018 --> 00:47:56,986
[Alan Davidson] We've realized
that we need to have
a larger presence here,
959
00:47:57,124 --> 00:48:02,370
that the Internet is affecting
a lot of how people live today.
960
00:48:02,508 --> 00:48:05,546
And we need, our industry
needs to be here
961
00:48:05,684 --> 00:48:08,066
to help explain that
to members of Congress.
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00:48:08,894 --> 00:48:10,758
[Nitasha] You know, the company
has spent more than a decade
963
00:48:10,896 --> 00:48:14,693
kind of cultivating politicians
on the right, on the center.
964
00:48:14,831 --> 00:48:17,868
If you look at pretty much
any policy decision where
965
00:48:18,007 --> 00:48:20,319
Google could potentially
be impacted, you know,
966
00:48:20,457 --> 00:48:22,804
sometimes I think about
it as like a big circle,
967
00:48:22,943 --> 00:48:24,875
and you know,
you have the left and the right,
968
00:48:25,014 --> 00:48:26,705
and Google has given money
969
00:48:26,843 --> 00:48:30,122
to just everyone
involved in the debates.
[laughs]
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00:48:30,743 --> 00:48:32,228
[Eric Schmidt] Google's mission
is to connect the world,
971
00:48:32,366 --> 00:48:33,988
right, to get all that
information out.
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00:48:34,126 --> 00:48:37,612
We want a free open Internet
for every citizen of the world.
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00:48:38,717 --> 00:48:40,305
[somber music]
974
00:48:40,615 --> 00:48:42,928
[male]
Leaders in government
and tech want to rewrite
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00:48:43,066 --> 00:48:44,792
a law that shapes the Internet.
976
00:48:45,655 --> 00:48:48,934
Why we're sitting here today,
it's Section 230.
977
00:48:49,555 --> 00:48:51,178
Because there's only
so much you can do.
978
00:48:51,316 --> 00:48:54,181
We filed a complaint
with the FTC
979
00:48:54,664 --> 00:48:58,737
claiming that Google
violates their own terms
of service,
980
00:48:59,048 --> 00:49:00,739
which they do,
and they don't care.
981
00:49:00,877 --> 00:49:02,948
[somber music]
982
00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:05,778
There's the Communications
Decency Act,
983
00:49:05,916 --> 00:49:08,850
Section 230,
which completely protects
984
00:49:08,989 --> 00:49:11,370
the websites, the search engines
985
00:49:11,508 --> 00:49:14,925
from any responsibility
to users.
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00:49:16,375 --> 00:49:21,587
When they talk about kind
of maximizing speech
on their platform,
987
00:49:21,725 --> 00:49:26,040
that also means maximizing
monetizable content for them.
988
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:27,869
With Section 230,
989
00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:30,217
what it means is that
they can do that without
990
00:49:30,355 --> 00:49:33,634
any real legal responsibility
for what happens on
the platform.
991
00:49:35,774 --> 00:49:38,018
Section 230 has
two key components.
992
00:49:38,156 --> 00:49:40,710
So, one of them
is that it gives us,
993
00:49:40,848 --> 00:49:44,196
protection from liability
from content that's posted
on our platform.
994
00:49:44,334 --> 00:49:47,993
But the second is
that it enables us also
to remove content
995
00:49:48,131 --> 00:49:50,271
that could be harmful
to our community.
996
00:49:51,755 --> 00:49:54,482
But I think now,
20 plus years on,
997
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:56,933
we have to look at 230
and say, "Look, guys,
998
00:49:57,071 --> 00:50:00,281
230 made sense when
you thought about
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00:50:00,419 --> 00:50:02,594
platforms as neutral platforms."
1000
00:50:03,077 --> 00:50:06,046
[man] Listen, Operator,
it's a very private call.
1001
00:50:06,184 --> 00:50:07,909
Now, you're not going
to be listening, are you?
1002
00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:10,429
[operator] Well, I won't even be
on the line. Just...
1003
00:50:10,567 --> 00:50:13,018
[man] You're going to get off
the line as soon as I get
the party, right?
1004
00:50:13,156 --> 00:50:15,158
- Right. There will be
no one on the line.
- Okay.
1005
00:50:15,745 --> 00:50:17,609
[Hany] It's like the wire on
the telephone, right?
1006
00:50:17,747 --> 00:50:19,438
I'm just creating a mechanism
for people to communicate.
1007
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,164
If they're planning
to commit a crime,
1008
00:50:21,302 --> 00:50:23,166
you can't hold AT&T responsible.
1009
00:50:23,304 --> 00:50:24,857
Well, sure, that makes sense.
1010
00:50:25,548 --> 00:50:27,584
But that's not what
social media is anymore,
1011
00:50:27,722 --> 00:50:30,070
and it hasn't been
for a really long time.
1012
00:50:30,484 --> 00:50:33,314
They are not a neutral arbiter
1013
00:50:33,452 --> 00:50:36,766
of the material that is
uploaded to their sites.
1014
00:50:36,904 --> 00:50:39,217
They pick and choose
the winners and the losers
1015
00:50:39,355 --> 00:50:40,977
through the recommendation
algorithms.
1016
00:50:41,805 --> 00:50:43,531
Yeah, it raises a lot
of questions like
1017
00:50:43,669 --> 00:50:46,120
is kicking someone
off Twitter censorship?
1018
00:50:48,191 --> 00:50:51,505
Are we okay with that?
Like, I think that, you know,
1019
00:50:52,195 --> 00:50:54,128
a kind of obvious
response is to say that,
1020
00:50:54,266 --> 00:50:58,684
"No, the First Amendment
protects speech, protects
from the government,
1021
00:50:58,995 --> 00:51:03,724
doesn't give corporations
an obligation to host
your content."
1022
00:51:03,862 --> 00:51:08,901
If there is no Section 230,
there is no free speech, period.
1023
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,078
I think we need to be
tremendously skeptical
1024
00:51:13,389 --> 00:51:15,874
and careful in tearing this up,
1025
00:51:16,012 --> 00:51:18,532
because it is the foundation
of the Internet.
1026
00:51:19,257 --> 00:51:22,915
That said, I do think that
we can look at amending it
1027
00:51:23,157 --> 00:51:26,367
and changing it and
updating it in different ways.
1028
00:51:27,748 --> 00:51:31,269
[Carrie] They don't see us
as important, we're not
their actual customers.
1029
00:51:31,407 --> 00:51:33,409
We're just their money makers.
1030
00:51:33,547 --> 00:51:36,515
They advertise at us.
They collect our data.
1031
00:51:36,722 --> 00:51:39,553
If there's content that
we want down
1032
00:51:39,691 --> 00:51:41,417
because we own
the copyright as an individual,
1033
00:51:41,555 --> 00:51:43,453
that is not meaningful to them.
1034
00:51:44,696 --> 00:51:47,768
This week, I got myself
a death threat.
1035
00:51:47,906 --> 00:51:50,667
This is messed up stuff
that people are saying,
1036
00:51:50,805 --> 00:51:52,980
[sobs]
Like, people telling
me to hang myself,
1037
00:51:53,118 --> 00:51:55,983
people just, like, blatantly
disrespecting the fact that
1038
00:51:56,121 --> 00:51:59,987
I'm still a human being
is not okay at all. [sobs]
1039
00:52:00,401 --> 00:52:02,334
I'm kind of simplistic in this,
1040
00:52:02,472 --> 00:52:05,579
it all goes back to us
having the right
1041
00:52:05,717 --> 00:52:07,857
to sue if we're injured.
Because most people,
1042
00:52:07,995 --> 00:52:10,860
like, most of the time
on these websites,
1043
00:52:10,998 --> 00:52:12,793
are not injured.
1044
00:52:12,931 --> 00:52:14,312
When I told him to leave me
alone and asked if he had
a knife,
1045
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:16,106
he didn't respond. And when I...
1046
00:52:16,245 --> 00:52:18,626
[Carrie] But the rare occasion
when somebody is,
1047
00:52:18,764 --> 00:52:21,008
which on scale is
a lot of people...
1048
00:52:21,146 --> 00:52:24,391
You are an ugly, untalented,
fat [bleep] [laughs]
1049
00:52:24,977 --> 00:52:27,325
[Carrie] ...we need to be able
to hold them responsible.
1050
00:52:27,842 --> 00:52:33,434
The algorithm, it really
fostered this community
of videos that
1051
00:52:33,814 --> 00:52:37,335
people would kind of love
to watch because they loved
1052
00:52:37,473 --> 00:52:38,922
to hate the thing
that was in there.
1053
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:41,373
They'd be like, "Yeah,
that person fucking sucks."
1054
00:52:41,511 --> 00:52:44,273
And I think it's time we take
a look at what canceling
really is.
1055
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:47,655
I am so used to reading mean
things about myself online.
1056
00:52:47,793 --> 00:52:52,142
Most of you probably can't even
begin to imagine how used
to it I am.
1057
00:52:52,281 --> 00:52:54,144
[gong clangs]
1058
00:52:54,283 --> 00:52:58,425
It was just kind of driving
this community of, like,
pent up rage.
1059
00:52:59,288 --> 00:53:02,739
[music building]
1060
00:53:05,294 --> 00:53:07,986
[somber music]
1061
00:53:12,266 --> 00:53:14,544
[music continues]
1062
00:53:15,856 --> 00:53:17,823
[man] So YouTube has
set up spaces
1063
00:53:17,961 --> 00:53:20,170
around the world where
YouTube creators can go
1064
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:22,345
and create their own videos.
1065
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:24,761
[Susan]
We're a video-first platform
1066
00:53:24,899 --> 00:53:27,074
and everything we do
is about video
1067
00:53:27,212 --> 00:53:30,491
enabling new content
creators to come onto
1068
00:53:30,629 --> 00:53:32,390
the platform
and to be successful.
1069
00:53:32,528 --> 00:53:35,703
And so I expect us to continue
to really focus on the video.
1070
00:53:35,841 --> 00:53:37,395
I think technology will,
of course,
1071
00:53:37,533 --> 00:53:39,569
will continue to change
how we communicate
1072
00:53:39,707 --> 00:53:41,571
and the content that we see.
1073
00:53:41,709 --> 00:53:44,712
But YouTube will stay
focused on video.
1074
00:53:46,024 --> 00:53:49,061
[mouse clicks]
1075
00:53:50,373 --> 00:53:53,273
[Anthony] They want growth.
Growth. Growth.
Everything's about growth.
1076
00:53:54,066 --> 00:53:56,241
There's so much content
on YouTube right now
1077
00:53:56,379 --> 00:53:59,071
that it's completely
overwhelming to ever seek
stuff out.
1078
00:53:59,209 --> 00:54:01,211
You're not just going into
a search bar looking for things,
1079
00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:04,042
you're clicking on what's
being presented to you.
1080
00:54:05,319 --> 00:54:07,908
So I think that YouTube is going
to have to get to a point
1081
00:54:08,046 --> 00:54:10,290
where they make people feel
safe to be on the platform.
1082
00:54:10,911 --> 00:54:13,327
But then also,
they're having to tread
1083
00:54:13,465 --> 00:54:16,779
really murky territory where
they can't be kind of, like,
1084
00:54:16,917 --> 00:54:19,713
the arbiters of truth in
the sense that they choose
1085
00:54:19,851 --> 00:54:21,715
what is to be believed.
1086
00:54:22,509 --> 00:54:24,890
[crowd cheering]
1087
00:54:27,928 --> 00:54:29,930
[crowd cheering]
1088
00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:34,486
I'm going to fight to bring us
all together as Americans.
1089
00:54:34,624 --> 00:54:36,316
We're living in
a divided country,
1090
00:54:36,454 --> 00:54:37,593
it's not going to be divided.
1091
00:54:37,731 --> 00:54:39,319
We're going to love everybody
1092
00:54:39,457 --> 00:54:41,148
like we love the people
in this room.
1093
00:54:42,356 --> 00:54:45,117
Specifically, YouTube, the
algorithm was really rewarding
1094
00:54:45,255 --> 00:54:48,569
the stuff that would get
people up in arms and feeling
1095
00:54:48,707 --> 00:54:51,607
like they had to fight
against something for a cause.
1096
00:54:52,504 --> 00:54:56,508
America was built by and for
1097
00:54:56,646 --> 00:54:59,200
the white Christian people
of this nation.
1098
00:54:59,339 --> 00:55:00,892
[crowd screaming]
1099
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:03,791
[Anthony] And politically,
that was a huge drive.
1100
00:55:03,929 --> 00:55:06,104
I know that having what felt
1101
00:55:06,242 --> 00:55:09,625
like good versus evil,
really gave people a reason
1102
00:55:09,763 --> 00:55:12,213
to keep clicking on more
and more of those videos.
1103
00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:15,769
So leading up
to the 2016 election.
1104
00:55:16,286 --> 00:55:19,186
[male reporter]
Donald Trump will be the 45th
1105
00:55:19,324 --> 00:55:21,568
President of the United States.
1106
00:55:21,706 --> 00:55:23,570
[man] We have to get better
at listening to each other,
1107
00:55:23,708 --> 00:55:26,814
and challenging each other
constructively and generously.
1108
00:55:26,952 --> 00:55:28,644
But I worry that the very
architecture
1109
00:55:28,782 --> 00:55:31,232
of the social Internet might
make that impossible.
1110
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:33,959
[male reporter] In the week or
so since the election,
1111
00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:37,100
there has been mounting
criticism of whether web giants
1112
00:55:37,238 --> 00:55:40,863
like Facebook and Google
used enough discretion
1113
00:55:41,001 --> 00:55:44,867
and editorial responsibility in
screening out fake news sites.
1114
00:55:46,834 --> 00:55:48,560
Comet pizza. Here we go.
1115
00:55:48,698 --> 00:55:50,769
[male reporter]
According to police,
1116
00:55:50,907 --> 00:55:53,496
Welch said that he had read
online that the Comet Ping
Pong restaurant
1117
00:55:53,634 --> 00:55:55,222
was harboring child sex slaves.
1118
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,952
Tell me why this pizza place
isn't even open at noon.
1119
00:56:01,090 --> 00:56:03,195
[gentle music]
1120
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:05,888
[male reporter] DC police say
Welch fired at least one round
1121
00:56:06,026 --> 00:56:09,961
into the restaurant floor
with an AR-15 rifle
like this one.
1122
00:56:10,686 --> 00:56:13,620
[emotional music]
1123
00:56:14,344 --> 00:56:16,795
[music continues]
1124
00:56:17,796 --> 00:56:19,280
[Dave Lauer] There must not be
a tipping point
1125
00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:22,145
because there is no doubt
that YouTube bore
1126
00:56:22,283 --> 00:56:26,909
a huge responsibility
for the spread of misinformation
in 2016.
1127
00:56:27,047 --> 00:56:30,050
[Paul Joseph Watson] One expert
told me that Hillary has
1128
00:56:30,188 --> 00:56:33,916
high functioning autism
with attendant sociopathy.
1129
00:56:34,054 --> 00:56:35,538
[crowd screaming]
1130
00:56:35,814 --> 00:56:39,093
[Dave] Now we're in the sort
of misinformation apocalypse.
1131
00:56:39,818 --> 00:56:43,132
[chanting angrily]
1132
00:56:44,858 --> 00:56:46,584
I think there's blame
on both sides.
1133
00:56:46,722 --> 00:56:48,137
[crowd yelling]
1134
00:56:48,275 --> 00:56:50,967
What started off
as this niche field
1135
00:56:51,105 --> 00:56:54,177
in the burgeoning digital
revolution, turned into the,
1136
00:56:54,315 --> 00:56:59,907
"Crap, everything I read, see,
hear online is now suspect."
1137
00:57:00,045 --> 00:57:01,771
Everything we're seeing
in the news right now
1138
00:57:01,909 --> 00:57:04,602
is just insane,
fake news garbage.
1139
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:06,811
If the Proud Boys are left alone
1140
00:57:06,949 --> 00:57:08,571
to do their thing,
they wave little American flags,
1141
00:57:08,709 --> 00:57:11,091
and then go to the bar to have
a drink, and nothing happens.
1142
00:57:11,229 --> 00:57:13,852
-You are fake news. Go ahead.
-[Reporter] Sir, can you...
1143
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:16,061
[Brianna]
There were people at YouTube
1144
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,100
that were aware that
the tools that they built
were being misused.
1145
00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:23,275
So they started to put together
1146
00:57:23,724 --> 00:57:25,692
basically task forces,
1147
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:29,454
looking at the problem,
talking to women like me,
1148
00:57:29,592 --> 00:57:32,802
getting our experiences
and doing what Google does,
1149
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:36,634
which is talking to experts
and trying to come up
with concrete,
1150
00:57:36,772 --> 00:57:41,155
realistic things they can
implement to solve the problem.
1151
00:57:42,329 --> 00:57:44,918
Unfortunately,
despite participating
1152
00:57:45,056 --> 00:57:47,023
in three of these task forces,
1153
00:57:47,161 --> 00:57:49,509
none of them were
successful in getting
1154
00:57:49,647 --> 00:57:51,545
Google to change their policy.
1155
00:57:52,753 --> 00:57:54,237
My name's Anthony Padilla,
1156
00:57:54,375 --> 00:57:56,446
and today I'll be spending
a day with Susan Wojcicki,
1157
00:57:56,585 --> 00:57:58,103
the CEO of YouTube,
1158
00:57:58,241 --> 00:58:00,312
who began as one of
Google's first employees.
1159
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:02,625
If there's anyone in
the comments right now angrily
1160
00:58:02,763 --> 00:58:05,317
claiming that you, Susan,
are the key reason
1161
00:58:05,455 --> 00:58:07,388
that YouTube isn't the way
they wish it were,
1162
00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:09,183
what would you say to them?
1163
00:58:09,321 --> 00:58:11,945
It's much more complicated.
[laughs]
It's not just me.
1164
00:58:12,083 --> 00:58:13,291
You're not going
to blame someone else?
1165
00:58:13,429 --> 00:58:14,879
[both laugh]
1166
00:58:15,017 --> 00:58:16,915
I'll take ultimately
responsibility for everything.
1167
00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:19,021
But it has to do with the fact
1168
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:22,542
that these issues are
much more complex
than people understand,
1169
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,751
that maybe the changes
that we implemented,
1170
00:58:24,889 --> 00:58:27,892
for example, are due
to regulation or
they're due because
1171
00:58:28,030 --> 00:58:30,515
these changes we've done
will enable more advertisers
1172
00:58:30,653 --> 00:58:32,482
to come and spend more revenue
1173
00:58:32,621 --> 00:58:34,588
with YouTube creators.
1174
00:58:34,726 --> 00:58:36,763
I haven't been there for
1175
00:58:37,626 --> 00:58:39,213
close to a decade now.
1176
00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:42,182
But I still think that
the decisions that
1177
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,427
they make are often prioritized
by what the end user wants,
1178
00:58:46,566 --> 00:58:49,603
not necessarily by,
you know, quarterly earnings,
1179
00:58:49,741 --> 00:58:52,606
or quarterly,
financial side of things.
1180
00:58:53,469 --> 00:58:56,506
If they wanted to,
there's a lot of opportunity
1181
00:58:56,645 --> 00:58:58,198
to be able to monetize,
1182
00:58:58,336 --> 00:59:01,615
but it would be at the cost
of the end user experience.
1183
00:59:05,101 --> 00:59:08,070
They are obligated to maximize
shareholder value.
1184
00:59:08,346 --> 00:59:10,417
If they don't do that,
they are exposed
1185
00:59:10,555 --> 00:59:11,832
to liability and lawsuits.
1186
00:59:12,143 --> 00:59:14,352
When that's your incentive
1187
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:17,873
and you don't have liability
for the content on your system,
1188
00:59:18,252 --> 00:59:20,772
it leads to some very
perverse incentives,
1189
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:24,120
such as building machine
learning systems
1190
00:59:24,258 --> 00:59:26,536
and algorithms that attempt
1191
00:59:26,675 --> 00:59:30,713
to capture people's attention,
addict them to content
1192
00:59:30,851 --> 00:59:32,335
and keep them on your site,
1193
00:59:32,473 --> 00:59:34,821
so that you can show them
more advertising,
1194
00:59:34,959 --> 00:59:36,685
because that's how
you make your money.
1195
00:59:37,996 --> 00:59:40,171
Well, I would just disagree
with that point of view.
1196
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:42,173
And the reason
I would is because
1197
00:59:42,311 --> 00:59:46,177
when there is any kind
of harmful misinformation,
1198
00:59:46,315 --> 00:59:48,386
that is bad for us
and bad for our business
1199
00:59:48,524 --> 00:59:51,423
and bad for us financially
and doesn't work
with our business model.
1200
00:59:51,561 --> 00:59:54,254
We are an advertising
supported platform,
1201
00:59:54,392 --> 00:59:57,809
so no advertiser
is going to want
to be on that type of content.
1202
00:59:58,396 --> 01:00:00,812
And we have seen advertisers
pull back their spend
1203
01:00:01,088 --> 01:00:03,781
when they see that we're not
managing our platform
1204
01:00:03,919 --> 01:00:06,266
to keep our users
and community safe.
1205
01:00:06,404 --> 01:00:10,063
That reason, along with
wanting to be on the right
side of history,
1206
01:00:10,201 --> 01:00:11,754
wanting to do the right
thing from a brand,
1207
01:00:11,892 --> 01:00:13,929
from a PR,
from our employee standpoint,
1208
01:00:14,067 --> 01:00:16,828
from just thinking about
what's the right thing to do
1209
01:00:16,966 --> 01:00:18,830
for our users
in our communities.
1210
01:00:19,555 --> 01:00:22,282
[upbeat music]
1211
01:00:24,422 --> 01:00:27,425
[applause]
1212
01:00:28,702 --> 01:00:30,462
[Robert Kyncl]
Digital video is exploding.
1213
01:00:30,911 --> 01:00:32,948
Already the youngest
millennials are watching
1214
01:00:33,086 --> 01:00:35,571
more digital video than TV.
1215
01:00:36,123 --> 01:00:39,437
And in fact,
it has overtaken social media
1216
01:00:39,713 --> 01:00:41,922
as the top online activity.
1217
01:00:42,509 --> 01:00:45,063
If you were to ask
college students,
1218
01:00:45,201 --> 01:00:47,721
"What do you wanna bring
when you have a small dormitory?
1219
01:00:47,859 --> 01:00:50,344
Do you want to bring
a sort of a laptop
1220
01:00:50,759 --> 01:00:52,036
that you can watch YouTube,
1221
01:00:52,174 --> 01:00:55,073
or do you want
to bring a plasma TV?"
1222
01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:58,180
It's always going
to be the laptop
1223
01:00:58,318 --> 01:01:00,734
with how many things
that you can do with it.
1224
01:01:01,804 --> 01:01:03,979
[calm music]
1225
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:09,881
[waves crashing]
1226
01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:14,990
[Ryan Kaji] It started
when I was three.
1227
01:01:15,128 --> 01:01:17,164
I was seeing a lot
of other people on YouTube
1228
01:01:17,302 --> 01:01:19,201
and I wanted to be
on YouTube too.
1229
01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:20,961
[kids yelling]
1230
01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:24,240
So I asked my mom
and she said yes.
1231
01:01:24,378 --> 01:01:27,002
[Loan Kaji] Okay, Ryan,
are you ready to find
the egg surprise?
1232
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:28,728
Ready? Go, go, go.
1233
01:01:29,211 --> 01:01:30,764
[Jared Reed]
This kid, Ryan, who's on the top
1234
01:01:30,902 --> 01:01:35,320
of the Forbes list, he earned
$22 million this year.
1235
01:01:35,804 --> 01:01:38,047
-[Loan] Whoa!
-Whoa.
1236
01:01:38,185 --> 01:01:41,602
[reporter] He has
more than 12 billion views
on his YouTube page.
1237
01:01:41,741 --> 01:01:43,363
If you have children,
you know him.
1238
01:01:44,122 --> 01:01:45,399
-[Loan] Ryan?
-What?
1239
01:01:45,537 --> 01:01:47,160
-I have a surprise for you.
-What?
1240
01:01:47,367 --> 01:01:49,852
-Look, look over here.
-Whoa!
1241
01:01:50,508 --> 01:01:52,648
[Loan] And you don't need much
to get started on YouTube.
1242
01:01:52,786 --> 01:01:55,996
I started filming
with just my phone.
1243
01:01:56,134 --> 01:01:57,653
-Hi Ryan!
-Hi Mommy.
1244
01:01:58,033 --> 01:02:00,069
And I still use it to this day.
1245
01:02:00,311 --> 01:02:03,383
And, you know, when I started
to do more research,
1246
01:02:03,797 --> 01:02:06,731
I didn't even know, like,
what is a green screen
1247
01:02:06,869 --> 01:02:08,043
when I started doing research.
1248
01:02:08,181 --> 01:02:09,941
We couldn't afford
a green screen.
1249
01:02:11,391 --> 01:02:15,222
We just happened to have
a tablecloth that was green.
1250
01:02:15,671 --> 01:02:18,018
And we're like, "Hey,
we can make this work."
1251
01:02:18,156 --> 01:02:20,089
And that's what we use.
1252
01:02:21,781 --> 01:02:23,403
[Shion Kaji]
Definitely after four months,
we started the channel,
1253
01:02:23,541 --> 01:02:25,888
we started seeing the tipping
point in the viewership.
1254
01:02:26,026 --> 01:02:28,649
We started seeing views from,
1255
01:02:28,788 --> 01:02:31,929
India, East Asia,
all around the world.
1256
01:02:32,067 --> 01:02:33,620
Okay, guys, let's open up
1257
01:02:33,758 --> 01:02:36,312
the Ryan's World
World Tour Globe.
1258
01:02:37,417 --> 01:02:39,695
[Shion] Around the same time,
we started our own channel
1259
01:02:39,833 --> 01:02:41,973
and I think that timing
really matched so well.
1260
01:02:42,249 --> 01:02:44,493
Which one? Which one?
The purple one?
1261
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,566
Are you sure you can do this?
Oh, good job!
1262
01:02:48,704 --> 01:02:50,568
[Loan] The most important
thing we tried
1263
01:02:50,706 --> 01:02:53,191
is just to make sure that he
still has time being a kid.
1264
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:56,608
And make sure
that even though yes,
1265
01:02:56,746 --> 01:02:59,508
he's well known
around the world,
1266
01:02:59,888 --> 01:03:03,201
to me personally, I don't think
he notices it that much
1267
01:03:03,339 --> 01:03:06,756
because, again, we really try
to keep him grounded
1268
01:03:06,895 --> 01:03:09,794
and really try
to make sure that YouTube
1269
01:03:09,932 --> 01:03:12,901
is not the essential part
of who he is.
1270
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,351
[all yelling]
1271
01:03:15,489 --> 01:03:17,457
[child giggling]
1272
01:03:17,595 --> 01:03:19,666
[whimsical music]
1273
01:03:20,632 --> 01:03:23,773
There was this offering
that YouTube
had called YouTube Kids,
1274
01:03:23,912 --> 01:03:27,743
and in 2017 it had 11
million weekly viewers,
1275
01:03:27,881 --> 01:03:29,227
which is just a huge number.
1276
01:03:30,539 --> 01:03:32,403
Wow!
1277
01:03:33,611 --> 01:03:36,476
[Dave] Now, it was really maybe
a couple years later
1278
01:03:36,614 --> 01:03:39,893
that it came out
that there was this effort
1279
01:03:40,031 --> 01:03:45,243
by content producers to use
YouTube and YouTube Kids
1280
01:03:45,381 --> 01:03:49,247
to basically
generate content that would
1281
01:03:49,385 --> 01:03:52,561
leverage what they knew
about the algorithm
1282
01:03:52,906 --> 01:03:55,598
so that it would be
recommended to children.
1283
01:04:00,189 --> 01:04:02,226
There were videos
that were frightening
1284
01:04:02,364 --> 01:04:04,435
and traumatizing children,
that depicted abuse.
1285
01:04:04,573 --> 01:04:06,920
They were hijacking
Disney characters
1286
01:04:07,058 --> 01:04:10,337
orPaw Patrol and showing
them being stabbed
1287
01:04:10,475 --> 01:04:14,790
or hit by cars or killed
or committing suicide.
1288
01:04:14,928 --> 01:04:19,484
And all of these videos
were being promoted to children.
1289
01:04:21,486 --> 01:04:26,077
So it was really a disturbing
phenomenon and really just goes
1290
01:04:26,215 --> 01:04:31,980
to show how dangerous this
kind of technology can be.
1291
01:04:32,428 --> 01:04:34,706
It really gets into this idea
1292
01:04:34,844 --> 01:04:37,847
that when you codify
something like that
into a recommendation algorithm,
1293
01:04:38,227 --> 01:04:39,988
results end up being dominated
1294
01:04:40,126 --> 01:04:42,887
by particular behaviors and
especially those behaviors
1295
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:45,131
that make YouTube
the most money.
1296
01:04:46,442 --> 01:04:47,650
[Shion]
I guess the biggest challenge
1297
01:04:47,788 --> 01:04:50,688
of the parents
and of the producers too,
1298
01:04:50,826 --> 01:04:53,070
is the kids influencer business
1299
01:04:53,208 --> 01:04:55,693
is still untouched territory.
1300
01:04:55,831 --> 01:04:57,315
It's still very new.
1301
01:04:57,591 --> 01:05:00,594
You know, the regulation
is still not 100% perfect.
1302
01:05:01,043 --> 01:05:02,493
There are many things
that we have to figure out
1303
01:05:02,631 --> 01:05:04,184
as we go and then make sure
1304
01:05:04,322 --> 01:05:06,083
it's a safe place for kids.
1305
01:05:07,015 --> 01:05:09,155
[Dave] There was this
weird thing where, like,
1306
01:05:09,293 --> 01:05:14,367
this scary character was just
popping up in kids' videos.
1307
01:05:15,851 --> 01:05:17,991
A terrifying video that
targets your kids.
1308
01:05:18,129 --> 01:05:21,961
The online challenge encouraging
children to kill themselves.
1309
01:05:22,892 --> 01:05:25,447
[Dave] You know, that was
something that happened
after YouTube
1310
01:05:25,585 --> 01:05:28,519
had supposedly gone in
and fixed the problem.
1311
01:05:30,003 --> 01:05:31,660
When we talk about the YouTube
1312
01:05:31,798 --> 01:05:33,938
recommendation algorithm,
that's just a great example
1313
01:05:34,076 --> 01:05:37,977
of something where
the focus on fixing a system
1314
01:05:38,115 --> 01:05:39,909
for recommending content,
1315
01:05:40,048 --> 01:05:41,704
if we can just figure out
1316
01:05:41,842 --> 01:05:44,880
that right piece of technology,
everything will get fixed.
1317
01:05:45,018 --> 01:05:48,159
And that's a very Silicon Valley
way of approaching things.
1318
01:05:48,297 --> 01:05:49,885
And I don't think
it's the right one
1319
01:05:50,023 --> 01:05:52,681
because these
are not technology problems.
1320
01:05:52,819 --> 01:05:55,787
These are far broader problems.
1321
01:05:58,307 --> 01:06:00,896
Even putting up a stoplight
at an intersection,
1322
01:06:01,034 --> 01:06:02,794
It only gets made
when there's like
1323
01:06:02,932 --> 01:06:05,314
a certain amount
of deaths or something
or enough people complain
1324
01:06:05,452 --> 01:06:08,904
and people are only complaining
when there's
a reason to complain.
1325
01:06:09,146 --> 01:06:10,975
And it's kind of like that here.
I don't,
1326
01:06:11,113 --> 01:06:12,494
It's kind of dangerous
1327
01:06:12,632 --> 01:06:14,668
how we are just waiting
for there to be enough
1328
01:06:14,806 --> 01:06:19,018
of these digital car crashes
in this digital intersection
1329
01:06:19,156 --> 01:06:20,571
with no stoplight.
1330
01:06:22,883 --> 01:06:26,577
[slow music playing]
1331
01:06:35,586 --> 01:06:37,346
[sirens blaring]
1332
01:06:37,484 --> 01:06:39,797
[reporter] Injured people
are rushed to hospital.
1333
01:06:39,935 --> 01:06:43,249
They were gunned down during
Friday prayers at Al Noor Mosque
1334
01:06:43,387 --> 01:06:45,423
in the center of Christchurch.
1335
01:06:45,561 --> 01:06:48,564
[reporter 2]
Police confirm the gunman
was livestreaming the killings
1336
01:06:48,702 --> 01:06:50,773
at one mosque on social media.
1337
01:06:50,911 --> 01:06:53,224
[woman]
It was the most devastating...
1338
01:06:53,362 --> 01:06:56,917
[singing "Imagine"]
1339
01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,127
In December of 2020,
1340
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:04,097
the New Zealand government
released the results
of this research
1341
01:07:04,235 --> 01:07:09,620
that they had done
into the shooter
and his radicalization process,
1342
01:07:09,758 --> 01:07:14,211
and they found that he
had donated money
1343
01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:16,903
to a series of YouTubers.
1344
01:07:17,041 --> 01:07:21,390
He basically spoke about
being radicalized on YouTube.
1345
01:07:21,528 --> 01:07:24,013
It wasn't in these,
we like to talk about
1346
01:07:24,152 --> 01:07:26,568
the deep,
dark corners of the Internet.
1347
01:07:27,948 --> 01:07:30,468
You know, it conjures
up these scary images
1348
01:07:30,606 --> 01:07:33,022
of the dark web
and all of these things.
1349
01:07:33,161 --> 01:07:34,990
But this was actually
right out in the open,
1350
01:07:35,128 --> 01:07:37,061
you know, right on YouTube
1351
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:38,925
is where he got radicalized.
1352
01:07:39,063 --> 01:07:45,242
We bring our ideas to you.
Our ideas have power.
1353
01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:47,796
Our time has come.
1354
01:07:47,934 --> 01:07:50,695
There is nothing that
can stop an idea
1355
01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:52,041
whose time has come.
1356
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:53,905
And that time is now.
1357
01:07:54,285 --> 01:07:56,632
[applause]
1358
01:07:56,770 --> 01:08:00,602
[slow music]
1359
01:08:02,155 --> 01:08:05,296
[Caleb] That shooting,
it really disturbed me.
1360
01:08:05,434 --> 01:08:07,195
And I, you know,
1361
01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:10,301
I realized in that moment that
this ideology would literally
1362
01:08:10,439 --> 01:08:13,132
kill my friends, you know?
1363
01:08:14,547 --> 01:08:16,445
And so, yeah,
I had to make a change.
1364
01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,588
I had two individuals message me
and they said,
1365
01:08:22,175 --> 01:08:24,660
"Hi, I'm not going
to tell you who I am,
1366
01:08:24,798 --> 01:08:27,732
but I'm inside
all the far right chats
1367
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:30,287
and they're pissed off at you
1368
01:08:30,425 --> 01:08:31,805
and they've got your address."
1369
01:08:31,943 --> 01:08:33,807
And then he posted my
address and I was like,
1370
01:08:33,945 --> 01:08:35,568
"Why are you
telling me all this?"
1371
01:08:35,706 --> 01:08:39,261
And he said, "Because, man,
you're a fucking cuck.
1372
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:40,918
But what they're saying,
1373
01:08:41,056 --> 01:08:43,438
what they're talking about
doing to you is fucked up."
1374
01:08:45,302 --> 01:08:47,959
I think what YouTube
needs to do is they need
to have very clear terms
1375
01:08:48,097 --> 01:08:50,997
of service on their websites
of what's acceptable
and what isn't.
1376
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:53,033
You know,
I am a free speech advocate,
1377
01:08:53,172 --> 01:08:56,416
but what I saw on the
platform was people
1378
01:08:56,554 --> 01:08:58,211
taking advantage
of this algorithm.
1379
01:08:58,349 --> 01:09:00,731
And the algorithm does not care
about what your politics are.
1380
01:09:01,007 --> 01:09:03,837
It cares about watch time
and keeping you on platform.
1381
01:09:03,975 --> 01:09:05,770
And I think I left it
the same way I went in it,
1382
01:09:05,908 --> 01:09:08,221
is that I'm curious and I was
always looking for,
1383
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,327
the world's
really, really screwed up
1384
01:09:10,465 --> 01:09:13,502
and how can I help
make it a little bit better?
1385
01:09:14,123 --> 01:09:16,678
And so that was always
the motivation going in
1386
01:09:16,816 --> 01:09:19,681
and that
was the motivation coming out.
1387
01:09:20,682 --> 01:09:22,166
[Destiny]
Basically what you want to do
1388
01:09:22,304 --> 01:09:23,754
is you want to find
somebody that feels like
1389
01:09:23,892 --> 01:09:25,376
they're fucked in some way.
1390
01:09:25,514 --> 01:09:27,206
"Make America Great Again,"
right?
1391
01:09:27,344 --> 01:09:28,966
You want to find somebody
that feels like they're fucked
1392
01:09:29,104 --> 01:09:30,347
in some way
and you want to speak to that.
1393
01:09:30,485 --> 01:09:32,072
And when you hone in on that,
1394
01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,248
you can bring a person onto
your side to believe anything
1395
01:09:35,386 --> 01:09:37,008
that you want them to believe.
1396
01:09:37,146 --> 01:09:38,803
[Caleb] And once I found,
you know, content debating
1397
01:09:38,941 --> 01:09:41,875
with these alt-right figures,
found Destiny,
1398
01:09:42,013 --> 01:09:44,015
later on I would
find ContraPoints.
1399
01:09:44,533 --> 01:09:47,156
Hi. In this video
I'm going to talk about
1400
01:09:47,295 --> 01:09:49,607
how to recognize
a fascist.
1401
01:09:51,299 --> 01:09:53,093
[Caleb] Yeah, I got obsessed
with learning about that,
1402
01:09:53,232 --> 01:09:56,683
because how are these people
disproving all my gurus,
1403
01:09:56,821 --> 01:09:59,272
you know, disproving all these
people who are supposed to be
1404
01:09:59,410 --> 01:10:02,275
my warriors
that are out there fighting
to save my civilization?
1405
01:10:02,413 --> 01:10:06,072
How are they getting slayed
on the rhetorical battlefield
1406
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:08,212
by a transgender woman?
1407
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:11,595
The strategic fascist knows it's
better to start with realistic,
1408
01:10:11,733 --> 01:10:14,494
achievable goals,
and that means focusing first
1409
01:10:14,632 --> 01:10:16,496
on stopping non-white
immigration,
1410
01:10:16,634 --> 01:10:18,843
something they'll try
to get you, the centrist,
1411
01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:22,847
conservative or liberal,
on board with
by emphasizing the danger
1412
01:10:22,985 --> 01:10:26,265
and criminality of non-white
immigrants and refugees.
1413
01:10:26,403 --> 01:10:28,059
I always viewed
the channel as a kind of
1414
01:10:28,197 --> 01:10:31,339
attempted intervention
that didn't assume that,
1415
01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:33,789
I never assumed that YouTube
was going to step in
and save us.
1416
01:10:33,927 --> 01:10:36,413
I never assumed
that these people
were going to be banned.
1417
01:10:36,551 --> 01:10:37,966
The question was,
1418
01:10:39,174 --> 01:10:41,107
is there some part of this
audience that can be kind of
1419
01:10:42,177 --> 01:10:47,631
pulled away from the edge
of this extremism, basically?
1420
01:10:48,977 --> 01:10:52,532
I started to meet people,
trans people, Muslim people,
1421
01:10:52,670 --> 01:10:54,189
gay people, all these people.
1422
01:10:54,327 --> 01:10:56,087
And it's not just I met them
and now I'm like,
1423
01:10:56,225 --> 01:10:58,400
"Oh, I feel comfortable
around you,
1424
01:10:58,538 --> 01:11:01,783
because I was never,
I never had a
strict phobia of any individual.
1425
01:11:02,784 --> 01:11:05,200
But what I, when I
would speak to them,
1426
01:11:05,338 --> 01:11:07,271
I would get to hear their
experience and I would actually
1427
01:11:07,409 --> 01:11:09,100
listen to their perspective
and I would ask them
1428
01:11:09,238 --> 01:11:10,550
challenging questions.
1429
01:11:10,688 --> 01:11:12,345
If there's anything
you guys can teach me,
1430
01:11:12,483 --> 01:11:14,071
if there's anything
I can teach you,
let's correspond,
1431
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:16,315
let's get together,
and let's figure this thing out,
1432
01:11:16,453 --> 01:11:20,249
because it's a problem I believe
that we can figure out.
1433
01:11:20,491 --> 01:11:23,356
They do it like Tyler Durden
does inFight Club.
1434
01:11:25,945 --> 01:11:27,912
They take you through your
existential moment
1435
01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:30,467
and destroy your old identity,
which is your false identity
1436
01:11:30,605 --> 01:11:31,916
that your masters gave to you.
1437
01:11:32,054 --> 01:11:33,504
Just let go!
1438
01:11:33,642 --> 01:11:35,161
[Caleb] And then they give you
a new false identity,
1439
01:11:35,299 --> 01:11:36,956
which you are now
beholden to them.
1440
01:11:37,094 --> 01:11:38,958
Without pain, without sacrifice,
you would have nothing.
1441
01:11:39,096 --> 01:11:41,685
[Caleb]
And so now you just
run down the pike.
1442
01:11:42,133 --> 01:11:44,135
That's what's kind
of going on here.
1443
01:11:46,655 --> 01:11:48,623
And of course,
the trick is they lie to you
1444
01:11:48,761 --> 01:11:49,762
about a bunch of stuff, too.
1445
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:51,488
They reframe the truth.
1446
01:11:51,626 --> 01:11:53,352
[man] There's been an awakening.
1447
01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:55,043
Have you felt it?
1448
01:11:55,181 --> 01:11:56,872
[male 2] Have you ever wondered
why we go to war?
1449
01:11:57,010 --> 01:11:59,668
Or why you never seem to be able
to get out of debt?
1450
01:11:59,806 --> 01:12:02,464
Why there is poverty,
division and crime.
1451
01:12:02,671 --> 01:12:05,018
What if I told you there
was a reason for it all?
1452
01:12:05,364 --> 01:12:07,780
What if I told you it
was done on purpose?
1453
01:12:08,228 --> 01:12:11,059
What if I told you that those
who were corrupting the world,
1454
01:12:11,197 --> 01:12:14,856
poisoning our food and igniting
conflict were themselves
1455
01:12:14,994 --> 01:12:17,652
about to be permanently
eradicated from the Earth?
1456
01:12:20,482 --> 01:12:22,933
[birds chirping]
1457
01:12:25,107 --> 01:12:29,940
[Tyler] My mom started prepping
for World War 3, apocalypse,
you name it.
1458
01:12:30,389 --> 01:12:32,494
If you can imagine
like a person just prepping
1459
01:12:32,632 --> 01:12:36,498
for a natural disaster as such,
she would go
ten times beyond that.
1460
01:12:37,292 --> 01:12:40,399
She started arming herself
with weapons, guns.
1461
01:12:40,537 --> 01:12:44,161
But she just started wearing
the weapon around the house.
1462
01:12:45,749 --> 01:12:47,095
[door thuds]
1463
01:12:49,718 --> 01:12:51,271
-[Alex Winter] Hey, Tyler.
-Hello.
1464
01:12:51,617 --> 01:12:53,066
You can just tell us a bit about
1465
01:12:53,204 --> 01:12:54,965
when you first started
experiencing the changes
1466
01:12:55,103 --> 01:12:56,449
that were happening at home.
1467
01:12:57,554 --> 01:12:59,659
It was, conspiracy theories
to me have always been
1468
01:12:59,797 --> 01:13:01,592
just part of the social
media platforms.
1469
01:13:01,730 --> 01:13:05,907
Since, you could say
the dawn of time
from the digital age and such.
1470
01:13:06,839 --> 01:13:09,048
Once it started approaching
closer and closer
1471
01:13:09,186 --> 01:13:10,705
to the elections itself,
1472
01:13:10,843 --> 01:13:13,155
the conspiracy theories
started becoming more
1473
01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:17,884
and more wild from things like
microchips and the vaccination.
1474
01:13:18,022 --> 01:13:20,335
China having
troops at the borders.
1475
01:13:21,198 --> 01:13:25,616
Trump is basically fighting
against the cabal or such.
1476
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,516
[ominous music]
1477
01:13:28,654 --> 01:13:33,003
She said that QAnon were two
separate entities
named Q and Anon,
1478
01:13:33,141 --> 01:13:35,523
run by two quantum computers.
1479
01:13:36,006 --> 01:13:37,594
That they weren't even people,
1480
01:13:37,732 --> 01:13:40,389
they were AIs that
helped recruit Trump
1481
01:13:40,528 --> 01:13:41,805
to fight the good fight.
1482
01:13:42,357 --> 01:13:43,841
From there, it just started
1483
01:13:43,979 --> 01:13:46,672
getting even worse because
now she started preaching
1484
01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:48,777
these conspiracy theories
like they're the Bible
1485
01:13:48,915 --> 01:13:51,539
and started getting in my face
about it all the time.
1486
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,783
I couldn't say no.
I couldn't say yes.
1487
01:13:54,921 --> 01:13:57,268
Either one would
trigger a confrontation
1488
01:13:57,406 --> 01:13:59,339
between herself and me.
1489
01:13:59,478 --> 01:14:02,308
And especially
since I didn't hold
the same beliefs as she did.
1490
01:14:02,446 --> 01:14:06,485
She said things like, "Oh,
I'm just trying to protect you."
1491
01:14:06,623 --> 01:14:09,591
And I'm like, "Yes, from what?
1492
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,352
The neighbors are not
going to harm us.
1493
01:14:12,491 --> 01:14:14,493
I'm afraid sometimes
1494
01:14:14,631 --> 01:14:16,771
that you're going to go
out there and start killing
people or something."
1495
01:14:17,288 --> 01:14:19,083
She took offense to that
and eventually
1496
01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:22,777
it devolved to, the argument
devolved into me saying,
1497
01:14:22,915 --> 01:14:25,711
"I'm done.
I don't need you anymore."
1498
01:14:25,918 --> 01:14:28,023
And from there I just
called up some friends
1499
01:14:28,161 --> 01:14:30,198
and left on
just whatever I can grab.
1500
01:14:36,756 --> 01:14:38,309
[reporter]
The World Health Organization
1501
01:14:38,447 --> 01:14:41,381
has now confirmed
the coronavirus is a pandemic.
1502
01:14:42,521 --> 01:14:44,868
[reporter 2] A quarter
of the world's population
1503
01:14:45,006 --> 01:14:47,664
is now living under
some form of lockdown
1504
01:14:47,802 --> 01:14:49,804
due to coronavirus.
1505
01:14:49,942 --> 01:14:53,704
[Donald Trump]
Now the Democrats are
politicizing the coronavirus.
1506
01:14:53,842 --> 01:14:55,326
Let's raise the, raise the bed.
1507
01:14:55,706 --> 01:14:57,881
[doctors]
1508
01:14:58,019 --> 01:14:59,883
And this is their new hoax.
1509
01:15:00,608 --> 01:15:03,334
The coronavirus pandemic
was the perfect storm
1510
01:15:03,472 --> 01:15:05,613
for radicalizing people.
1511
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:09,789
There is no evidence that I can
see that a pandemic exists.
1512
01:15:09,927 --> 01:15:12,551
[Robert Lewis]
I don't personally know anybody
that's had it.
1513
01:15:12,689 --> 01:15:16,037
I don't know anybody that knows
anybody that's had it.
1514
01:15:16,175 --> 01:15:17,901
So you either wear the mask...
1515
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:20,386
And I'm not doing it because
I woke up in a free country.
1516
01:15:21,111 --> 01:15:23,320
[Talia]
It created a lot of isolation.
1517
01:15:23,458 --> 01:15:26,185
It gave people a lot more time
to be on their computers.
1518
01:15:26,634 --> 01:15:29,153
You cannot
make people wear a mask.
It's not our laws at all.
1519
01:15:29,291 --> 01:15:31,811
This is just made up
by Bill Gates and them.
1520
01:15:31,949 --> 01:15:33,951
Go online and look it up.
1521
01:15:35,712 --> 01:15:38,128
[Talia] You know,
there were these
massive social disruptions,
1522
01:15:38,266 --> 01:15:41,303
like over the nature
of the fabric of reality.
1523
01:15:41,441 --> 01:15:43,582
-[woman] Are you laying 5G?
-Yeah.
1524
01:15:43,892 --> 01:15:45,445
[woman] You know,
when they turn this on,
it's going to kill everyone.
1525
01:15:45,584 --> 01:15:47,240
And that's why they're building
the hospitals.
1526
01:15:47,378 --> 01:15:49,829
[crowd chanting]
1527
01:15:49,967 --> 01:15:54,800
[Talia] In person, the reopen
rallies like were attended by
militias and white nationalists.
1528
01:15:54,938 --> 01:15:57,906
Texans know this is a Chi-Com
1529
01:15:58,044 --> 01:16:04,119
globalist bio weapon
meant to shut down our economy.
1530
01:16:05,051 --> 01:16:06,363
[Talia] The same was true
on the Internet,
1531
01:16:06,501 --> 01:16:08,503
that the people pushing
reopen content
1532
01:16:08,641 --> 01:16:11,955
or talking about COVID
restrictions as state tyranny.
1533
01:16:12,093 --> 01:16:14,267
We're talking about
the COVID lockdown.
1534
01:16:14,405 --> 01:16:16,718
What we're really talking about
is the great reset.
1535
01:16:17,201 --> 01:16:18,858
Everything that you're
seeing right now
1536
01:16:18,996 --> 01:16:21,758
is a giant political conspiracy.
1537
01:16:21,896 --> 01:16:23,449
[machine beeping]
1538
01:16:24,036 --> 01:16:25,175
We're going to do
everything we can.
1539
01:16:25,313 --> 01:16:27,177
That's what
I can promise you, okay?
1540
01:16:28,385 --> 01:16:29,938
[Anthony]
When you meet someone that says,
1541
01:16:30,076 --> 01:16:31,595
"Oh, I'm somewhere
in the middle,"
1542
01:16:31,733 --> 01:16:34,115
which I feel like what
many people were at some point,
1543
01:16:34,253 --> 01:16:36,013
now it's like,
"Oh, you're in the middle,
1544
01:16:36,151 --> 01:16:37,497
then you're against me,
fuck you."
1545
01:16:38,706 --> 01:16:40,639
And the algorithm
really plays into that.
1546
01:16:40,777 --> 01:16:44,228
[yelling]
1547
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,129
Before we get to the topic
at hand, which is COVID-19,
1548
01:16:48,267 --> 01:16:51,373
we have to address the protests
currently going on
1549
01:16:51,511 --> 01:16:54,998
and the murder of George Floyd
at the hands of police.
1550
01:16:55,930 --> 01:16:57,863
[crowds chanting]
1551
01:16:58,795 --> 01:17:02,453
[reporter]
The outrage over the death
of George Floyd is global.
1552
01:17:02,591 --> 01:17:04,214
[woman]
We're here to enact change.
1553
01:17:04,352 --> 01:17:06,112
We're here to say
that our lives matter.
1554
01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:07,700
We need the community
to understand that.
1555
01:17:07,838 --> 01:17:10,082
[crowd]
We want change! We want change!
1556
01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:13,879
Certainly, all of those factors
were pumped up to 11.
1557
01:17:14,638 --> 01:17:16,364
[yelling and screaming]
1558
01:17:16,571 --> 01:17:18,884
[reporter] Dozens of American
cities up in flames
1559
01:17:19,022 --> 01:17:21,680
after some protests
turned into riots.
1560
01:17:21,818 --> 01:17:23,820
[crowd yelling]
1561
01:17:24,475 --> 01:17:26,201
I think that the way
that the platforms
1562
01:17:26,339 --> 01:17:29,204
and YouTube in particular looked
at these algorithms was
1563
01:17:29,342 --> 01:17:30,999
much more
from the perspective of,
1564
01:17:31,137 --> 01:17:33,243
"Oh wow, let's find a
way to get people
1565
01:17:33,381 --> 01:17:35,970
to see content coming
from like-minded people."
1566
01:17:36,108 --> 01:17:37,834
And I don't think it
had occurred to them
1567
01:17:37,972 --> 01:17:41,527
that like-minded people might
be people who were angry...
1568
01:17:41,665 --> 01:17:44,910
Start a riot?
Black lives matter? [bleep] you!
1569
01:17:45,358 --> 01:17:48,499
[Jillian]
...and looking for the kind of
content that would help them
1570
01:17:48,637 --> 01:17:51,710
connect with other people
who were angry in that same way
1571
01:17:51,848 --> 01:17:54,229
and not oriented
towards justice.
1572
01:17:56,300 --> 01:18:00,304
A lot of people turned
to conspiracy
for the first time.
1573
01:18:00,442 --> 01:18:05,689
This is experimental
bio warfare on the people.
1574
01:18:06,586 --> 01:18:09,072
[Talia]
Some of them became out and out
white nationalists
1575
01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:10,556
and some of them
became sympathizers
1576
01:18:10,694 --> 01:18:13,593
and others became
QAnon supporters.
1577
01:18:13,732 --> 01:18:15,561
This is like a global takeover.
1578
01:18:15,699 --> 01:18:17,390
They're trying to create
a new world order, right?
1579
01:18:17,528 --> 01:18:20,083
They thought they could easily
get their great reset.
1580
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:22,775
Little did they know!
Little did they know!
1581
01:18:22,982 --> 01:18:24,708
They thought they
could easily have it.
1582
01:18:24,846 --> 01:18:26,089
Pandemic's a hoax!
1583
01:18:27,297 --> 01:18:29,195
[Talia] It grew and grew
and grew and grew.
1584
01:18:35,305 --> 01:18:37,479
[Caleb] On January 6th,
I went down to the Capitol.
1585
01:18:37,617 --> 01:18:39,067
[screaming]
1586
01:18:39,378 --> 01:18:41,725
One thing that I've
tried to understand
1587
01:18:41,863 --> 01:18:43,520
is Internet subcultures.
1588
01:18:45,349 --> 01:18:47,110
And I was at the Capitol
to take pictures
1589
01:18:47,248 --> 01:18:48,939
of the different
extremist groups.
1590
01:18:49,077 --> 01:18:52,046
[crowd]
Stop the steal! Stop the steal!
1591
01:18:52,632 --> 01:18:54,289
They chased me around,
called me antifa.
1592
01:18:54,427 --> 01:18:56,291
Tried to get
the normal MAGA people,
1593
01:18:56,429 --> 01:18:58,155
because I could tell these were
some Proud Boys types.
1594
01:18:58,293 --> 01:19:00,468
We're going to storm
the fucking Capitol.
1595
01:19:00,606 --> 01:19:01,918
Fuck you fuckers.
1596
01:19:04,023 --> 01:19:05,991
Bellingcat did a great
study of looking
1597
01:19:06,129 --> 01:19:08,131
at sort of neo-Nazis on
Telegram who discussed
1598
01:19:08,269 --> 01:19:09,304
how they'd been radicalized.
1599
01:19:09,442 --> 01:19:11,479
And just like so many of them,
1600
01:19:11,617 --> 01:19:14,137
a majority of them,
cited YouTube specifically
1601
01:19:14,275 --> 01:19:17,209
as their
means of radicalization.
1602
01:19:18,003 --> 01:19:20,212
This is probably
our last opportunity
1603
01:19:20,350 --> 01:19:24,354
to actually organize
against the New World Order.
1604
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:29,014
[reporter]
Yesterday, conspiracy theorists,
the alt right, the far right,
1605
01:19:29,152 --> 01:19:33,087
QAnon followers,
and others stormed Capitol Hill
1606
01:19:33,225 --> 01:19:35,192
and livestreamed it.
1607
01:19:37,298 --> 01:19:40,094
[man]
A lot of the blame for inciting
these riots is being placed
1608
01:19:40,232 --> 01:19:42,130
on social media sites.
1609
01:19:42,441 --> 01:19:44,615
[reporter] YouTube announced
Tuesday it suspended
1610
01:19:44,753 --> 01:19:46,790
U.S. President
Donald Trump's channel
1611
01:19:46,928 --> 01:19:50,449
as it violated policies
against inciting violence.
1612
01:19:50,587 --> 01:19:54,004
[woman]
He was suspended from both
Twitter and banned from Facebook
1613
01:19:54,142 --> 01:19:55,350
and Instagram as well.
1614
01:19:56,351 --> 01:19:58,422
It's a sad day when
Big Tech has more power
1615
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,321
than big government,
that they can censor
1616
01:20:00,459 --> 01:20:03,496
the President of
the United States.
1617
01:20:03,634 --> 01:20:06,258
[Harris Faulkner]
YouTube extending its suspension
1618
01:20:06,396 --> 01:20:09,606
of former President Trump's
account now indefinitely.
1619
01:20:09,744 --> 01:20:11,332
[screaming]
1620
01:20:11,539 --> 01:20:14,128
[Jillian] They saw that these
democratic institutions
1621
01:20:14,266 --> 01:20:15,750
that they were trying to protect
1622
01:20:15,888 --> 01:20:17,614
through freedom of expression
1623
01:20:17,752 --> 01:20:20,375
were actually being destroyed
right in front of their eyes
1624
01:20:20,513 --> 01:20:22,653
on their platforms
for the whole world to see.
1625
01:20:22,791 --> 01:20:26,174
Patriots are inside
Nancy Pelosi's office!
1626
01:20:26,312 --> 01:20:28,487
Hey, everybody, Stefan Molyneux
from Freedomain radio.
1627
01:20:28,625 --> 01:20:31,662
[woman] YouTube is continuing
to ban the accounts
of white supremacists
1628
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,148
in an effort to combat
hate speech on its platform.
1629
01:20:34,286 --> 01:20:38,428
We are going under
digital martial law.
1630
01:20:41,431 --> 01:20:44,330
[Caleb] Oversaturation of social
communication technology
1631
01:20:44,468 --> 01:20:47,437
is going
to cause a lot of conflict.
1632
01:20:48,093 --> 01:20:50,509
You know, radicalization getting
played out on YouTube
1633
01:20:50,647 --> 01:20:52,373
and everybody
throws their hands up and says,
1634
01:20:52,511 --> 01:20:55,617
"Oh, my God,
it's the new satanic panic."
1635
01:20:55,755 --> 01:20:57,205
It's the same old thing
1636
01:20:57,343 --> 01:20:59,690
that's been happening,
except now it's hyperlinked.
1637
01:21:01,382 --> 01:21:03,453
If we don't figure out
this problem,
1638
01:21:03,591 --> 01:21:06,007
we're going to lose
what it means to be human.
1639
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:11,599
Your platforms have changed
1640
01:21:11,737 --> 01:21:15,051
how people across the planet
communicate, connect,
1641
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:17,018
learn and stay informed.
1642
01:21:17,467 --> 01:21:18,882
The power of this technology
1643
01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:20,746
is awesome and terrifying,
1644
01:21:20,884 --> 01:21:24,992
and each of you has failed to
protect your users and the world
1645
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:28,202
from the worst consequences
of your creations.
1646
01:21:29,237 --> 01:21:30,687
This is the first
time the three of you
1647
01:21:30,825 --> 01:21:32,344
have appeared before Congress
1648
01:21:32,482 --> 01:21:35,761
since the deadly attack
on the Capitol on January 6th.
1649
01:21:36,348 --> 01:21:37,728
That event was
not just an attack
1650
01:21:37,866 --> 01:21:40,421
on our democracy
and our electoral process,
1651
01:21:40,559 --> 01:21:42,216
but an attack on every member
1652
01:21:42,354 --> 01:21:44,183
of this committee
and in the Congress.
1653
01:21:44,321 --> 01:21:46,806
I want to start
by asking all three of you
1654
01:21:46,945 --> 01:21:50,638
if your platform bears
some responsibility
1655
01:21:50,776 --> 01:21:54,262
for disseminating disinformation
related to the election
1656
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:55,815
and the Stop the Steal movement
1657
01:21:55,954 --> 01:21:57,852
that lead
to the attack on the Capitol.
1658
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:59,405
Just a yes or no answer.
1659
01:21:59,854 --> 01:22:02,753
We always feel a deep
sense of responsibility.
1660
01:22:02,891 --> 01:22:04,410
But I think we worked hard.
1661
01:22:05,791 --> 01:22:07,966
This election effort was one
of our most substantive efforts.
1662
01:22:08,104 --> 01:22:09,243
[Mike Doyle]
Is that a yes or a no?
1663
01:22:09,484 --> 01:22:11,176
Congressman,
it's a complex question.
1664
01:22:11,624 --> 01:22:14,144
-We...
-Okay, we'll move on.
1665
01:22:18,838 --> 01:22:20,840
[Natalie]
It's an interesting situation
1666
01:22:20,979 --> 01:22:24,603
where you have
what has basically
become the public forum
1667
01:22:24,844 --> 01:22:28,158
is run by about three
corporations.
1668
01:22:29,194 --> 01:22:32,266
That is a level of power,
1669
01:22:33,405 --> 01:22:36,235
a level of political power
and social power
1670
01:22:36,615 --> 01:22:41,206
and economic power that is a
little bit terrifying, I think.
1671
01:22:43,932 --> 01:22:46,521
[slow music]
1672
01:22:49,524 --> 01:22:51,250
[Brianna] Google is one
of the largest companies
1673
01:22:51,388 --> 01:22:52,907
in the entire world.
1674
01:22:53,045 --> 01:22:55,013
So, you know, one of the reasons
1675
01:22:55,151 --> 01:22:59,362
I ran for Congress was I thought
that I could be a force of good.
1676
01:22:59,983 --> 01:23:01,605
Hi, I'm Brianna Wu.
1677
01:23:01,743 --> 01:23:03,952
And I'm running to be your
congresswoman right here
1678
01:23:04,091 --> 01:23:06,231
in Massachusetts District Eight.
1679
01:23:08,026 --> 01:23:10,511
I thought that having
someone that had been affected
by these issues,
1680
01:23:10,649 --> 01:23:13,652
I hoped that I could make
a difference directly.
1681
01:23:13,928 --> 01:23:17,000
Clearly just tweeting
about these issues,
1682
01:23:17,138 --> 01:23:18,657
it's not working.
1683
01:23:18,795 --> 01:23:21,418
We need legislators that really
care about this issue
1684
01:23:21,556 --> 01:23:24,111
and will put
skin on the line for it.
1685
01:23:25,112 --> 01:23:28,356
I want to be very clear that the
prosecution's decision
1686
01:23:28,494 --> 01:23:30,358
to abandon my client's claims
1687
01:23:30,496 --> 01:23:34,707
does not invalidate
the truth of her claims.
1688
01:23:34,983 --> 01:23:38,366
Well, because I am a litigator,
1689
01:23:38,504 --> 01:23:42,957
my whole like purpose
is this idea that,
1690
01:23:43,095 --> 01:23:47,720
you know, one lawyer
and one client can pay $210
1691
01:23:47,858 --> 01:23:50,620
for an index number
to start a lawsuit.
1692
01:23:50,758 --> 01:23:55,418
And that team of people can
create law that rules the land.
1693
01:23:55,556 --> 01:23:58,214
And that process comes about
1694
01:23:58,352 --> 01:24:02,045
by starting a case, appealing
and appealing when you lose,
1695
01:24:02,183 --> 01:24:04,323
and then petitioning
to the Supreme Court.
1696
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:08,224
And so that's
why I think litigation
1697
01:24:08,362 --> 01:24:12,055
to reform the Internet
is really powerful
1698
01:24:12,193 --> 01:24:16,335
and is like
where I put my effort.
1699
01:24:16,784 --> 01:24:18,889
So, yeah, I do think it needs
to go to the Supreme Court.
1700
01:24:19,614 --> 01:24:21,202
Can you bring it here?
1701
01:24:25,551 --> 01:24:27,622
I'd like to think I've
been making a dent in it.
1702
01:24:27,898 --> 01:24:31,661
The NRA when I started was,
you know, all powerful.
1703
01:24:31,799 --> 01:24:34,250
Now they're,
they haven't gone away,
1704
01:24:34,388 --> 01:24:36,114
but they're somewhat in retreat.
1705
01:24:36,804 --> 01:24:39,220
With Google,
it's the same thing.
1706
01:24:39,358 --> 01:24:43,880
I have started
a Change.org petition.
1707
01:24:45,157 --> 01:24:47,435
People are calling in to say,
1708
01:24:47,573 --> 01:24:50,473
help Andy Parker,
give him the co-copyright.
1709
01:24:50,611 --> 01:24:52,199
What good is it for you
1710
01:24:52,337 --> 01:24:55,305
when he can at least use this
in his fight against Google?
1711
01:24:56,203 --> 01:25:01,794
And so it's a worthwhile fight
and I'm not giving up.
1712
01:25:01,932 --> 01:25:04,659
And whether it comes from
the Supreme Court or Congress,
1713
01:25:04,797 --> 01:25:08,387
I think it's more likely
to come from legislation,
1714
01:25:08,525 --> 01:25:09,871
congressional legislation.
1715
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,943
Google profits massively
1716
01:25:13,081 --> 01:25:15,014
off of lack of regulation.
1717
01:25:15,153 --> 01:25:16,499
If it cannot properly
1718
01:25:16,637 --> 01:25:19,226
protect citizens
from online harassment,
1719
01:25:19,433 --> 01:25:22,194
hate speech
and moment of death videos,
1720
01:25:22,332 --> 01:25:24,921
I call on Congress to step in
1721
01:25:25,059 --> 01:25:27,372
and make sure
that proper protections
1722
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:29,512
are in place
for private citizens like me
1723
01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:32,825
who are continually
harassed and exploited.
1724
01:25:33,274 --> 01:25:36,657
Well it's a great saying,
with great power
comes great responsibility.
1725
01:25:36,795 --> 01:25:40,799
We did tell him that you have,
you have the influence, right,
1726
01:25:40,937 --> 01:25:42,249
to influence kids.
1727
01:25:42,387 --> 01:25:45,044
So we, hopefully
we teach him right
1728
01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:47,461
and use that influence for good.
1729
01:25:47,599 --> 01:25:49,325
So what we did,
1730
01:25:49,463 --> 01:25:52,604
partnered with the YouTube team,
is we interviewed
health experts.
1731
01:25:53,052 --> 01:25:56,987
If somebody sneezes or coughs
and they have the coronavirus,
1732
01:25:57,125 --> 01:25:58,955
how far can it spread?
1733
01:25:59,093 --> 01:26:00,474
That's such a cool question.
1734
01:26:00,612 --> 01:26:02,786
These particles are so tiny
1735
01:26:03,546 --> 01:26:05,030
that they even happen
when we talk.
1736
01:26:05,168 --> 01:26:06,618
They come out
of our mouth when we talk.
1737
01:26:06,756 --> 01:26:08,758
I know that sounds really gross.
[laughter]
1738
01:26:08,896 --> 01:26:11,692
[Shion] Ryan asks all those
questions for his fans.
1739
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:16,144
And now, until when do you want
to do the YouTube thing?
1740
01:26:16,283 --> 01:26:18,837
Until when you're 20-something?
1741
01:26:18,975 --> 01:26:21,080
Yeah, 20, I think 6 or 5.
1742
01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:24,256
So he wants to continue this
until at least he's 26.
1743
01:26:24,463 --> 01:26:25,706
Just for now. [laughs]
1744
01:26:25,844 --> 01:26:28,502
And why? He had a reason why.
1745
01:26:29,157 --> 01:26:30,538
I don't remember.
1746
01:26:30,987 --> 01:26:34,059
I know you've probably already
read the title by now,
1747
01:26:34,197 --> 01:26:38,650
but I feel like we should
just come out and say it.
1748
01:26:38,891 --> 01:26:40,859
I'm leaving Smosh.
1749
01:26:40,997 --> 01:26:43,206
I know a lot of you guys
are probably going to assume
1750
01:26:43,655 --> 01:26:46,140
he's leaving because
we got in some sort of big fight
1751
01:26:46,278 --> 01:26:48,453
or because we hate each other.
1752
01:26:48,832 --> 01:26:52,250
But I can guarantee you guys
it has nothing to do with that.
1753
01:26:52,388 --> 01:26:54,252
-That did not happen.
-No.
1754
01:26:54,493 --> 01:26:56,668
[Anthony]
I started to really look at
1755
01:26:56,806 --> 01:26:59,774
what I put out there
into the ether as...
1756
01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:04,917
really having some kind of
influence on the way that people
1757
01:27:05,055 --> 01:27:09,163
go about their days after
watching a piece of content.
1758
01:27:09,784 --> 01:27:11,959
My name is Anthony Padilla,
1759
01:27:12,097 --> 01:27:14,617
and today I'm going to be
sitting down with survivors
of school shootings
1760
01:27:14,755 --> 01:27:18,206
to learn what it's really like
to live through such a traumatic
1761
01:27:18,345 --> 01:27:19,622
and Earth-shattering event.
1762
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,555
-Thank you so much, Shelby.
-Thank you!
1763
01:27:21,693 --> 01:27:25,179
I feel like I fully understand
the wondrous
world of asexuality.
1764
01:27:25,317 --> 01:27:27,802
-I'm so glad.
-And congratulations on coming
out to the entire world.
1765
01:27:27,940 --> 01:27:30,357
-Oh my God, I forgot already.
-[laughter]
1766
01:27:31,012 --> 01:27:33,118
[Anthony]
It made me realize
that the world
1767
01:27:33,256 --> 01:27:37,605
would be so much
of a better place if people came
1768
01:27:38,434 --> 01:27:39,883
into any interaction first with,
1769
01:27:40,021 --> 01:27:42,161
from a place of curiosity
and trying to understand
1770
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:43,749
rather than judgment.
1771
01:27:43,887 --> 01:27:46,821
And it kind of made me
feel like there was
1772
01:27:46,959 --> 01:27:48,996
a point to what I was doing,
1773
01:27:50,273 --> 01:27:51,343
which really helped.
1774
01:27:51,481 --> 01:27:52,724
[cork popping]
1775
01:27:53,966 --> 01:27:58,177
You know what, America? Things,
things have not gone well.
1776
01:27:58,833 --> 01:28:00,766
Well, as long as I can remember
being on YouTube,
1777
01:28:00,904 --> 01:28:03,700
there have always been people
who are prognosticating the end.
1778
01:28:03,838 --> 01:28:06,116
"Right, oh, this is
the end of the free Internet.
1779
01:28:06,254 --> 01:28:08,049
Like the corporations
are going to come in,
1780
01:28:08,187 --> 01:28:09,327
they're going to take over."
1781
01:28:09,465 --> 01:28:10,707
Like it used to be
the Wild West,
1782
01:28:10,845 --> 01:28:11,743
it used to be fun,
it used to be free.
1783
01:28:11,881 --> 01:28:13,469
But it's all about to end.
1784
01:28:13,607 --> 01:28:15,747
You know, I've been hearing
people say that for 14 years.
1785
01:28:16,437 --> 01:28:18,025
[chuckles] As for me,
1786
01:28:18,163 --> 01:28:20,648
Yeah, I'm not just some person
filming on a webcam
1787
01:28:20,786 --> 01:28:22,616
in my bedroom anymore,
there's a budget.
1788
01:28:22,754 --> 01:28:24,928
There's, you know,
a million subscribers,
1789
01:28:25,066 --> 01:28:26,689
but it's still me.
1790
01:28:26,827 --> 01:28:30,727
And because I do commentary
on multiple-year trends,
1791
01:28:30,865 --> 01:28:32,695
is kind of
the time frame I try to work on,
1792
01:28:32,833 --> 01:28:35,560
I will respond to those trends
as they happen.
1793
01:28:35,698 --> 01:28:39,495
Like, am I going
to be agile enough
that I can stay interesting
1794
01:28:39,736 --> 01:28:42,049
and continue
to know what I'm talking about?
1795
01:28:42,981 --> 01:28:47,468
I hope I can. I intend to try.
[chuckles]
1796
01:28:51,230 --> 01:28:55,580
Ideally, where do you see
YouTube in the future?
1797
01:28:55,718 --> 01:28:58,203
And also just personally,
1798
01:28:58,341 --> 01:29:00,999
where do you see
the role of big tech
1799
01:29:01,137 --> 01:29:05,141
in terms of the fact that
it has had so much power?
1800
01:29:05,279 --> 01:29:07,592
What do you think
the ideal scenario is
1801
01:29:09,421 --> 01:29:11,458
moving forward as both
someone who is overseeing
YouTube and as a mom,
1802
01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:14,530
as someone who's just
a member of this crazy society
1803
01:29:14,668 --> 01:29:16,670
we find ourselves in
at this moment?
1804
01:29:17,291 --> 01:29:18,637
[chuckles]
1805
01:29:18,879 --> 01:29:22,296
So I see, I mean,
I see a lot of the benefits.
1806
01:29:22,434 --> 01:29:26,127
I see the benefits
of the educational communities,
1807
01:29:26,265 --> 01:29:29,752
of connecting
diverse communities
that otherwise could have never
1808
01:29:29,890 --> 01:29:33,514
been connected
and at the same time
be thinking about
1809
01:29:33,652 --> 01:29:35,343
what are the risks,
what are the downsides,
1810
01:29:35,482 --> 01:29:37,104
how can we manage that?
1811
01:29:37,242 --> 01:29:39,175
I know that right now there's
a lot of discussion about it,
1812
01:29:39,313 --> 01:29:44,456
but I see that for many reasons
that will get worked out.
1813
01:29:44,594 --> 01:29:48,080
I think there's
a demand from society,
1814
01:29:48,218 --> 01:29:51,705
from the press,
certainly from governments.
1815
01:29:51,912 --> 01:29:55,363
And I do believe that technology
1816
01:29:55,502 --> 01:29:58,850
has a tremendous opportunity
for good in the long term.
1817
01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,511
[upbeat music playing]
1818
01:30:06,478 --> 01:30:12,519
[crowd counting down]
1819
01:30:14,935 --> 01:30:18,525
[all cheering]
[opening bell ringing]
1820
01:30:19,180 --> 01:30:20,906
What I would like to see us do
1821
01:30:21,044 --> 01:30:23,184
is to fundamentally
rethink the business model.
1822
01:30:23,564 --> 01:30:24,979
I would like to see us to return
1823
01:30:25,117 --> 01:30:27,050
to something more sane,
which is say, look,
1824
01:30:27,188 --> 01:30:29,639
if there is value to Facebook
and to Twitter and to YouTube,
1825
01:30:29,777 --> 01:30:31,641
I should just pay
a subscription for it.
1826
01:30:31,779 --> 01:30:33,160
And if I'm paying
a subscription,
1827
01:30:33,298 --> 01:30:34,506
my business model
looks really different.
1828
01:30:34,644 --> 01:30:36,059
My incentives look different.
1829
01:30:37,475 --> 01:30:39,891
At Google, the past year
has given renewed purpose
to our mission
1830
01:30:40,374 --> 01:30:42,100
to organize
the world's information
1831
01:30:42,445 --> 01:30:44,723
and make it universally
accessible and useful.
1832
01:30:44,861 --> 01:30:48,209
Building a more helpful
Google for everyone.
1833
01:30:48,831 --> 01:30:51,040
[slow music]
1834
01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:53,905
At other times in our history,
1835
01:30:54,043 --> 01:30:57,080
we have seen dramatic changes,
1836
01:30:57,702 --> 01:31:00,705
breaking up oil
and railroad trusts.
1837
01:31:01,533 --> 01:31:04,087
Addressing big tobacco,
1838
01:31:05,088 --> 01:31:08,298
you know, instituting
automotive safety reforms.
1839
01:31:08,436 --> 01:31:14,581
We have stepped up and taken on
corporate behemoths in the past.
1840
01:31:17,031 --> 01:31:19,689
But it was
a very different time.
1841
01:31:21,484 --> 01:31:23,451
Until there's really
1842
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:27,973
popular momentum
for some of these changes,
1843
01:31:28,111 --> 01:31:29,699
they're just
not going to happen.
1844
01:31:33,151 --> 01:31:36,326
[dramatic music]
1845
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:41,055
If YouTube,
the company went down tomorrow,
1846
01:31:41,193 --> 01:31:43,851
I think there would be
a lot of harmful content
1847
01:31:43,989 --> 01:31:45,819
that was no longer
on the Internet.
1848
01:31:46,992 --> 01:31:49,374
But there also
would be a ton of creators
1849
01:31:49,512 --> 01:31:51,238
just trying to make a living
1850
01:31:51,376 --> 01:31:53,792
who'd no longer have
the venue to do that, right?
1851
01:31:54,034 --> 01:31:57,175
Days like this is
why I started vlogging,
1852
01:31:57,313 --> 01:31:59,557
because otherwise
no one would see this.
1853
01:32:03,008 --> 01:32:04,562
It really just kind of depends
1854
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:06,633
on what your outlook in life is.
1855
01:32:06,771 --> 01:32:10,119
If you're the kind of person
who's looking for differences,
1856
01:32:10,257 --> 01:32:11,741
who's looking
for ways to condemn
1857
01:32:11,879 --> 01:32:13,329
other people
and to divide us out,
1858
01:32:13,467 --> 01:32:15,642
then you're going to see
YouTube as an enabler
1859
01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:17,989
of these
terrible movements, right,
1860
01:32:18,127 --> 01:32:20,612
as a way of justifying
the things that you're doing.
1861
01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:23,304
Whereas if you're someone
who's seeking those connections,
1862
01:32:23,442 --> 01:32:25,444
who's seeking to find
what we have in common
1863
01:32:25,583 --> 01:32:28,309
or to expose injustice,
then you're going to use it
1864
01:32:28,447 --> 01:32:30,588
for those purposes.
1865
01:32:30,726 --> 01:32:33,383
And so really, it's
the great enabler of all
of these different things.
1866
01:32:33,521 --> 01:32:36,801
[man] Lift off of the 25th
space shuttle mission,
1867
01:32:36,939 --> 01:32:38,388
and it has cleared the tower.
1868
01:32:38,526 --> 01:32:41,426
I really feel like
this is the commons.
1869
01:32:41,564 --> 01:32:44,049
YouTube is our public library.
1870
01:32:44,187 --> 01:32:47,570
[excited basketball commentary]
1871
01:32:47,708 --> 01:32:50,262
[Brianna] It's a critical part
of human civilization.
1872
01:32:50,573 --> 01:32:52,851
[Martin Luther King Jr]
We've learned to fly
the air like birds.
1873
01:32:52,989 --> 01:32:56,441
We've learned to swim
the seas like fish.
1874
01:32:56,579 --> 01:32:58,512
And yet we haven't
learned to walk the Earth
1875
01:32:58,650 --> 01:33:00,272
as brothers and sisters.
1876
01:33:01,135 --> 01:33:03,103
[Brianna]
But I think that corporations
1877
01:33:03,241 --> 01:33:05,312
don't do the right thing
until they're forced
1878
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:06,969
to do the right thing.
1879
01:33:11,629 --> 01:33:17,082
My greatest fear is that we all
become citizens of big tech.
1880
01:33:18,670 --> 01:33:20,603
And that there comes a point
1881
01:33:20,741 --> 01:33:25,401
where they're far more powerful
than our courts or lawmakers
1882
01:33:25,539 --> 01:33:27,852
and that they have
more information
1883
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:31,683
than our law enforcers
and that we're all just
1884
01:33:31,821 --> 01:33:33,823
kind of at their mercy.
1885
01:33:34,617 --> 01:33:40,312
[dramatic rock music]
1886
01:33:59,090 --> 01:34:01,817
We have built
a technological grid system
1887
01:34:02,403 --> 01:34:05,510
that we essentially
can't destroy
1888
01:34:05,648 --> 01:34:07,788
because we're relying on it now.
1889
01:34:11,136 --> 01:34:14,070
And they've got
these things buried
at the bottom of the ocean.
1890
01:34:14,968 --> 01:34:17,177
Is anybody stopping for a second
1891
01:34:17,315 --> 01:34:20,594
and thinking about what it means
to build something
and rely on something like that
1892
01:34:20,732 --> 01:34:22,389
and to never question it?
1893
01:34:23,286 --> 01:34:25,426
Are we speeding
things up too fast?
1894
01:34:28,222 --> 01:34:30,431
And what are we
speeding towards?
1895
01:34:40,062 --> 01:34:44,756
[slow music playing]
1896
01:35:10,023 --> 01:35:15,787
[slow music playing]
1897
01:35:47,543 --> 01:35:53,204
[slow music playing]
1898
01:36:20,818 --> 01:36:25,546
[slow music playing]
1899
01:36:45,946 --> 01:36:51,331
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1900
01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:29,403
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1901
01:37:54,187 --> 01:38:00,987
[slow music playing]
1902
01:38:41,441 --> 01:38:47,481
[slow music playing]
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