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Smash that like button! 15 00:01:13,116 --> 00:01:15,842 [upbeat music continues] 16 00:01:17,154 --> 00:01:18,362 Woo! 17 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,192 [upbeat music continues] 18 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,573 Yo, it's just a prank! 19 00:01:24,057 --> 00:01:25,369 [screams] 20 00:01:26,715 --> 00:01:28,372 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 21 00:01:28,510 --> 00:01:29,960 [upbeat music continues] 22 00:01:30,098 --> 00:01:33,136 -[repeating Donald Trump's name] -Holy shit! 23 00:01:33,274 --> 00:01:35,207 [upbeat music continues] 24 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:37,140 Please don't shoot me, man. 25 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:43,491 [upbeat music continues] 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,568 [crowd chanting] Stop the steal! 27 00:01:54,295 --> 00:01:57,608 [upbeat music continues] 28 00:02:00,473 --> 00:02:02,510 [music fades] 29 00:02:06,203 --> 00:02:08,723 [static crackling] 30 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,390 [horns honking] 31 00:02:23,807 --> 00:02:26,603 [soft music] 32 00:02:30,986 --> 00:02:33,403 [soft music continues] 33 00:02:36,129 --> 00:02:38,131 [Steve Chen] It's kind of an interesting past. 34 00:02:38,649 --> 00:02:43,378 Born in Taiwan and traveled to the U.S. 35 00:02:43,516 --> 00:02:45,208 when I was eight years old. 36 00:02:45,346 --> 00:02:47,762 [modem dialing] 37 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:51,490 In 1992, 1993, 38 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,941 we had exposure to the Internet. 39 00:02:55,252 --> 00:02:57,323 So you had a bunch of 14, 15 year-olds 40 00:02:57,461 --> 00:03:01,948 without parental supervision, having access to the Internet. 41 00:03:02,086 --> 00:03:03,467 And the Internet was new. 42 00:03:03,605 --> 00:03:05,642 It was, I mean, even more experimental 43 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:07,678 than what you know the Internet today. 44 00:03:07,816 --> 00:03:09,542 People were still just trying to figure out, 45 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,544 "What do you do with these interconnected machines?" 46 00:03:11,958 --> 00:03:16,860 And so that began sort of already my long-term career 47 00:03:16,998 --> 00:03:19,587 of going to sleep at 3 a.m., 4 a.m. every night. 48 00:03:19,725 --> 00:03:22,555 It's just getting online, talking with people 49 00:03:22,693 --> 00:03:25,006 and kind of just figuring out things all together. 50 00:03:25,627 --> 00:03:28,423 [jet engine roaring] 51 00:03:29,631 --> 00:03:34,084 I left the University of Illinois in 1999. 52 00:03:34,222 --> 00:03:38,157 Do you actually drop out of school and do the startup thing? 53 00:03:38,295 --> 00:03:40,987 And, you know, that means it was a major life decision, 54 00:03:41,125 --> 00:03:43,335 but it was made within minutes of saying, 55 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:45,233 "Okay, forget what I'm going to be doing. 56 00:03:45,371 --> 00:03:47,028 I can always finish off my senior year 57 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:49,858 if this startup doesn't work out, but I need to buy a ticket 58 00:03:49,996 --> 00:03:52,999 to get out to Silicon Valley as quickly as possible." 59 00:03:53,137 --> 00:03:55,105 [dial-up modem connecting]] 60 00:03:55,243 --> 00:03:57,210 [female host] By now, you've heard the buzz. 61 00:03:57,832 --> 00:04:00,835 [male host] It spans the globe like a superhighway. 62 00:04:00,973 --> 00:04:04,079 Telephones, TV, and computers are merging. 63 00:04:04,217 --> 00:04:05,529 Whoa! 64 00:04:05,667 --> 00:04:07,566 [upbeat music] 65 00:04:07,704 --> 00:04:09,947 You know, people who had access to the Internet were able 66 00:04:10,085 --> 00:04:12,260 to communicate with each other across borders. 67 00:04:13,088 --> 00:04:17,023 It was exciting, it was an enabler of really kind of 68 00:04:17,161 --> 00:04:19,992 a unique type of communication that hadn't been able to exist 69 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:22,305 in that way before without travel. 70 00:04:22,443 --> 00:04:26,136 Wave your hands, Brian, so we can get a sense of how this works. 71 00:04:26,274 --> 00:04:28,034 Okay. Hi there. 72 00:04:28,172 --> 00:04:30,865 I was trying to describe to one of my undergraduates 73 00:04:31,003 --> 00:04:34,109 what the world looked like in '97, just 20 some odd years ago. 74 00:04:34,247 --> 00:04:36,802 And I was explaining to them that the way we took pictures, 75 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:38,390 the dominant medium was film. 76 00:04:38,528 --> 00:04:40,461 They're like, "What's that?" 77 00:04:41,082 --> 00:04:43,705 I was like, "Oh man, I have to define film." 78 00:04:43,843 --> 00:04:45,949 So I explained, you know, there's this canister 79 00:04:46,087 --> 00:04:48,296 with this photosensitive material, and you put it in the camera, 80 00:04:48,434 --> 00:04:50,125 and you take 20 pictures, and then you take it out, and you take it 81 00:04:50,263 --> 00:04:52,473 down to the drugstore, and then, you know, 82 00:04:52,611 --> 00:04:54,682 somebody developed it, and four days later, you get your pictures. 83 00:04:54,820 --> 00:04:56,753 I swear to God, I think they thought I was pulling their leg. 84 00:04:56,891 --> 00:04:59,963 Like, they couldn't fathom what the world looks like today 85 00:05:00,101 --> 00:05:01,689 compared to that in '97. 86 00:05:03,242 --> 00:05:06,141 [Jeff Bezos] There are gonna be lots of successful companies 87 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,350 born of the Internet. 88 00:05:07,488 --> 00:05:08,972 [boys cheering] 89 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:11,733 [keys typing] 90 00:05:13,286 --> 00:05:17,083 Well, I was getting pretty depressed like towards the end of last week. 91 00:05:17,221 --> 00:05:19,292 And I was like, "Dude, we have, like maybe 92 00:05:19,431 --> 00:05:21,087 40, 50, 60 videos on the site, but..." 93 00:05:21,225 --> 00:05:24,297 [Steve] I started in PayPal in 1999 94 00:05:24,436 --> 00:05:26,127 and I left PayPal in 2005. 95 00:05:26,265 --> 00:05:28,509 So during the course of that period was when I met 96 00:05:28,647 --> 00:05:32,409 the two other co-founders of YouTube, Jawed and Chad Hurley. 97 00:05:32,616 --> 00:05:37,518 [Steve] Of the search results, or of the set that the image came from? 98 00:05:37,656 --> 00:05:39,485 Yeah, where it came from in the results, so... 99 00:05:39,796 --> 00:05:45,871 On of the guys that we met early on was the co-founder of another service. 100 00:05:46,423 --> 00:05:49,012 And it was called hotornot.com. 101 00:05:49,944 --> 00:05:52,843 This service can be explained pretty easily. 102 00:05:52,981 --> 00:05:56,606 You look at a photo and there were two options. 103 00:05:57,089 --> 00:05:58,435 You voted "Hot" 104 00:05:58,573 --> 00:06:01,127 or "Not" on the photo. 105 00:06:01,265 --> 00:06:06,063 We just thought, "You know, what a great opportunity it would be 106 00:06:06,201 --> 00:06:10,240 if you created a video version of this instead of just seeing a photo. 107 00:06:10,896 --> 00:06:14,382 [laughs] So that's the true story behind 108 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,730 the YouTube service as we know it today. 109 00:06:18,731 --> 00:06:21,769 [whimsical music] 110 00:06:22,666 --> 00:06:24,668 We started building the service. 111 00:06:24,806 --> 00:06:28,189 And I would say that much of the work was on the engineering side. 112 00:06:29,949 --> 00:06:33,021 What became of YouTube is not something 113 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:37,543 that's fundamentally a new and novel idea 114 00:06:37,681 --> 00:06:40,546 in that people have considered and thought about, 115 00:06:40,684 --> 00:06:43,963 are there ways to be able to share video online? 116 00:06:44,101 --> 00:06:47,691 Because plenty of people at the time had videos that they wanted to share. 117 00:06:47,829 --> 00:06:49,348 It was just sitting on their hard drives, 118 00:06:49,486 --> 00:06:51,626 but there was no way to be able to share them. 119 00:06:51,764 --> 00:06:54,249 [keys clicking] 120 00:06:54,974 --> 00:06:57,598 All right, so here we are in front of the elephants. 121 00:06:59,289 --> 00:07:00,980 Cool thing about these guys is that they have... 122 00:07:01,118 --> 00:07:03,017 [Steve] A large part of it early on 123 00:07:03,155 --> 00:07:05,916 was actually looking through and kind of seeing 124 00:07:06,054 --> 00:07:09,955 what kind of videos would people want to be able 125 00:07:10,093 --> 00:07:13,476 to share that they didn't know were shareable before. 126 00:07:13,614 --> 00:07:16,237 Look, here's finally a service where if you wanna get 127 00:07:16,375 --> 00:07:18,135 a political message out there, if you want to get some 128 00:07:18,273 --> 00:07:20,897 kind of message out there, you can use this platform. 129 00:07:21,035 --> 00:07:23,831 You're not going to be able to turn on the TV and be able to see this. 130 00:07:25,488 --> 00:07:29,146 I remember it showing up as like a place with goofy videos... 131 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:31,701 [boy laughs] Charlie. 132 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,256 ...that didn't strike me as something that would revolutionize the world... 133 00:07:35,394 --> 00:07:37,154 [crowd yelling] 134 00:07:37,534 --> 00:07:39,018 [boy laughing] 135 00:07:39,156 --> 00:07:41,607 [Talia] ...be livelihoods for so many people... 136 00:07:41,745 --> 00:07:45,853 [yells] 100 million subscribers. Thank you, YouTube. 137 00:07:45,991 --> 00:07:47,440 Ow! 138 00:07:47,579 --> 00:07:49,408 [Talia] ...spawn everything from social movements... 139 00:07:49,546 --> 00:07:50,651 I can't breathe! 140 00:07:51,134 --> 00:07:52,929 [Talia] ...to really Baroque dramas. 141 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:55,000 I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water 142 00:07:55,138 --> 00:07:57,485 that turned the friggin' frogs gay. 143 00:07:57,761 --> 00:08:00,799 Charlie, that really hurt. 144 00:08:02,007 --> 00:08:04,078 [Talia] That all came a bit later. 145 00:08:04,561 --> 00:08:06,667 [baby laughing] 146 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:10,878 [crowd screaming] 147 00:08:12,949 --> 00:08:14,640 [Anthony Padilla] I was like, "Video. 148 00:08:14,778 --> 00:08:16,504 Video is the next big thing that's gonna be on the Internet. 149 00:08:16,642 --> 00:08:19,196 This is so cool. "Like, you could record something on 150 00:08:19,334 --> 00:08:20,888 God, you couldn't even record on a cell phone then. 151 00:08:21,026 --> 00:08:23,822 It was like, steal someone's webcam. 152 00:08:24,512 --> 00:08:27,170 [Power Rangers theme music] 153 00:08:28,205 --> 00:08:30,829 Well, we actually started making videos 154 00:08:30,967 --> 00:08:33,625 before YouTube even existed. 155 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,075 [lip syncing to music] 156 00:08:36,386 --> 00:08:38,906 [Anthony] We don't even have broadband Internet yet. 157 00:08:39,044 --> 00:08:41,046 [lip syncing to music] 158 00:08:41,184 --> 00:08:43,082 Videos are not a thing that you do on the Internet. 159 00:08:43,220 --> 00:08:46,189 [Mortal Kombat music playing] 160 00:08:46,327 --> 00:08:48,571 [lip syncing to music] 161 00:08:48,709 --> 00:08:50,400 [slapping sound effect] 162 00:08:50,538 --> 00:08:53,403 [Ian] You know, we had just graduated from high school. 163 00:08:53,541 --> 00:08:55,543 We were 17 years old, 164 00:08:55,681 --> 00:08:58,304 all of our friends were going off to colleges, 165 00:08:58,442 --> 00:09:01,618 and we decided to stay in our hometown of Sacramento, 166 00:09:01,756 --> 00:09:03,309 go to community college. 167 00:09:03,447 --> 00:09:05,311 [Mortal Kombat music] 168 00:09:05,449 --> 00:09:10,006 Then somebody took one of our videos and put it on YouTube. 169 00:09:10,696 --> 00:09:13,457 I did a Google search, and I found that it was uploaded 170 00:09:13,596 --> 00:09:14,976 to this website called YouTube. 171 00:09:15,459 --> 00:09:18,014 Someone just ripped it and posted it there. 172 00:09:19,187 --> 00:09:22,018 [Steve] What YouTube really brought to the game was, 173 00:09:22,156 --> 00:09:26,919 I think, the ability to be able to utilize the latest technology 174 00:09:27,057 --> 00:09:30,371 that was available, and then building that into a cohesive system 175 00:09:30,509 --> 00:09:32,718 that made it much easier for the user experience. 176 00:09:32,856 --> 00:09:35,825 Millions of viewers now from all over the world are logging on 177 00:09:35,963 --> 00:09:38,310 to view their short films and video projects, 178 00:09:38,448 --> 00:09:42,797 [female reporter] Their Pokรฉmon video, the second most watched clip on YouTube.com, 179 00:09:42,935 --> 00:09:46,180 more than 15 million views so far. 180 00:09:46,318 --> 00:09:48,872 [Anthony] I'm like this introverted kid who 181 00:09:49,010 --> 00:09:51,737 is terrified of speaking in front of a class 182 00:09:51,875 --> 00:09:53,636 of, like, 30 kids, but yet... 183 00:09:54,119 --> 00:09:55,983 I'm like, I can do this on my own, 184 00:09:56,121 --> 00:09:59,365 in my bedroom, upload it, people can enjoy it. 185 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:01,678 [skates rolling] 186 00:10:02,196 --> 00:10:04,854 When YouTube first arrived, we didn't really have 187 00:10:04,992 --> 00:10:07,132 high-speed Internet connections the way we do now. 188 00:10:07,270 --> 00:10:08,789 I didn't have a smartphone. 189 00:10:09,099 --> 00:10:11,067 [documentary narrator] They're off. 190 00:10:11,205 --> 00:10:13,897 [Jillian] And so back then, it was really exciting to be able 191 00:10:14,035 --> 00:10:16,417 to go online and watch a video that maybe 192 00:10:16,555 --> 00:10:18,453 you never would have been able to access before. 193 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,077 [documentary narrator] This competitor is determined to finish. 194 00:10:21,215 --> 00:10:23,079 [Jillian] And yet at the same time, it was slow. 195 00:10:23,217 --> 00:10:25,633 I think the first video I ever uploaded to YouTube 196 00:10:25,771 --> 00:10:28,360 was of my cat drinking out of my water glass. 197 00:10:28,498 --> 00:10:32,019 And I'd taken it with maybe my first digital camera, 198 00:10:32,157 --> 00:10:35,367 and it took hours to get it online, and I don't even know why I did it. 199 00:10:35,608 --> 00:10:38,163 But it was just this exciting moment to be able 200 00:10:38,301 --> 00:10:40,303 to share something with the world like that. 201 00:10:40,821 --> 00:10:42,512 [cat licking] 202 00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:45,377 [bell ringing] These are from a gentleman at another table. 203 00:10:45,515 --> 00:10:47,241 -What? -Enjoy. 204 00:10:49,036 --> 00:10:50,831 [Steve] " Dear sirs, we would like to buy your video sharing site. 205 00:10:50,969 --> 00:10:52,418 Milkshakes on us!" [bell ringing] 206 00:10:52,556 --> 00:10:54,006 Awesome. Let's do it. 207 00:10:54,144 --> 00:10:56,284 Hi, YouTube. This is Chad and Steve. 208 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:58,562 We're the co-founders of the site. 209 00:10:58,701 --> 00:11:00,012 And we just want to say thank you. 210 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:01,634 Today, we have some exciting news for you. 211 00:11:01,773 --> 00:11:03,429 We've been acquired by Google. 212 00:11:03,567 --> 00:11:06,260 Yeah, thanks. Thanks to every one of you guys that, 213 00:11:06,398 --> 00:11:09,056 have been contributing to YouTube, the community. 214 00:11:09,573 --> 00:11:12,231 We wouldn't be anywhere close to where we are 215 00:11:12,369 --> 00:11:14,958 without the help of this community. Thanks a lot. 216 00:11:15,407 --> 00:11:17,340 [soft tense music] 217 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:20,861 [Brian Williams] There has been a big merger in the business world, 218 00:11:20,999 --> 00:11:23,829 One that may say a lot about our world these days. 219 00:11:24,485 --> 00:11:30,111 [male host] Web giant Google will pay 1.6 billion to gobble up YouTube. 220 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,389 [soft tense music] 221 00:11:35,807 --> 00:11:37,567 [soft music] 222 00:11:37,705 --> 00:11:39,396 [Susan Wojcicki] The light bulb for me when I realized 223 00:11:39,534 --> 00:11:41,882 that YouTube was going to be really big, 224 00:11:42,020 --> 00:11:43,780 was with this very specific video, 225 00:11:43,918 --> 00:11:47,404 which was the first hit that I saw, actually, on Google Video. 226 00:11:47,542 --> 00:11:52,962 [lip syncing to Backstreet Boys music] 227 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:56,103 Of these two young students, 228 00:11:56,413 --> 00:11:59,313 singing the Backstreet Boys in their dorm room, 229 00:11:59,692 --> 00:12:02,385 and their roommate is doing homework in the back. 230 00:12:03,006 --> 00:12:04,870 I still laugh when I see it today. 231 00:12:05,664 --> 00:12:08,287 [lip syncing] 232 00:12:08,529 --> 00:12:10,565 And I realized, "Wow, this is going to be a big thing. 233 00:12:10,703 --> 00:12:14,190 People wanna see other people like them on YouTube. 234 00:12:14,328 --> 00:12:15,916 This is going to be important." 235 00:12:16,054 --> 00:12:18,504 [soft tense music] 236 00:12:18,781 --> 00:12:22,405 One of the things that I did was I did this model where I forecasted 237 00:12:22,543 --> 00:12:24,648 that it was actually gonna be a really big business, 238 00:12:24,787 --> 00:12:27,341 and we could justify the price that we paid for it, 239 00:12:27,479 --> 00:12:30,862 which was 1.65 billion dollars, which was a huge price. 240 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:32,933 I had a hundred percent conviction. 241 00:12:33,071 --> 00:12:36,074 There was no doubt in my mind that this was gonna be 242 00:12:36,212 --> 00:12:37,869 a huge trend of the future. 243 00:12:38,007 --> 00:12:40,319 But there were many around me that questioned it, for sure. 244 00:12:40,457 --> 00:12:43,322 I mean, we saw it in the press, we saw other people who were 245 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:45,946 supposedly, like, tech experts say, 246 00:12:46,084 --> 00:12:50,157 "This was, like, one of the stupidest acquisitions ever." 247 00:12:50,295 --> 00:12:52,124 Like, someone told me how that day 248 00:12:52,262 --> 00:12:55,541 they were with a bunch of different Nobel Prize winners in economics, 249 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,406 and they were all talking about what a bad acquisition this was, 250 00:12:58,544 --> 00:13:00,650 and how could have Google made such a huge mistake? 251 00:13:01,616 --> 00:13:04,723 So I think people across the board did not, like, 252 00:13:04,861 --> 00:13:06,898 recognize that this was gonna be a really, 253 00:13:07,036 --> 00:13:09,210 really big opportunity. 254 00:13:09,348 --> 00:13:11,488 [Chad] This is the dinner at YouTube. This is what it's like to work here. 255 00:13:12,317 --> 00:13:14,906 We're gonna feature this video tomorrow so... 256 00:13:15,561 --> 00:13:18,116 [soft tense music] 257 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,260 [indistinct chattering] 258 00:13:24,985 --> 00:13:28,229 -[man] Cheers. -[All] Cheers. Woo. 259 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:33,234 I find it fascinating the way I think 260 00:13:33,372 --> 00:13:38,136 younger Millennials, and certainly Gen Z use YouTube 261 00:13:38,274 --> 00:13:41,967 almost the way the rest of us use Google search. 262 00:13:42,692 --> 00:13:46,627 You know, that's where they go to find information. 263 00:13:46,765 --> 00:13:49,043 For those of you that are new here, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 264 00:13:49,181 --> 00:13:50,665 I like to talk about the news, world events, 265 00:13:50,803 --> 00:13:53,082 and then Friday, it is all about the conversation. 266 00:13:53,841 --> 00:13:57,707 [Nitasha] I think that it can be really wonderful, but it's just always 267 00:13:57,845 --> 00:14:02,332 been baffling to me that here is the most massive video platform 268 00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:04,610 influencing billions around the world, 269 00:14:04,748 --> 00:14:06,164 [horns honking] 270 00:14:06,302 --> 00:14:08,235 and, you know, for years, 271 00:14:08,373 --> 00:14:11,376 Google wouldn't even break out, like, basic statistics about it 272 00:14:11,514 --> 00:14:14,482 in its quarterly earnings calls. 273 00:14:14,655 --> 00:14:16,968 You know I don't have any specific metrics to give but... 274 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:18,555 We definitely... 275 00:14:18,693 --> 00:14:20,695 are seeing impact and 276 00:14:20,833 --> 00:14:23,077 we think we are in early days of the impact 277 00:14:23,215 --> 00:14:24,872 impact we can see. 278 00:14:25,562 --> 00:14:27,771 [Nitasha] And even just from a financial standpoint, 279 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:31,361 how did they just tuck this under the Google umbrella 280 00:14:31,499 --> 00:14:33,674 as though this is just a, like a side bet, 281 00:14:33,812 --> 00:14:38,403 when it is, like, kind of the default portal to information? 282 00:14:38,541 --> 00:14:40,301 [Steve] Yeah, the making of YouTube... 283 00:14:40,439 --> 00:14:42,234 Here's your new keys to your new office. 284 00:14:42,372 --> 00:14:44,754 -[Steve] All right, thanks. -[Chad] Present you your key. 285 00:14:44,961 --> 00:14:47,515 [Steve] When Chad and I were pointing some things, they still gave us 286 00:14:47,653 --> 00:14:51,692 the decision-making power to utilize the resources 287 00:14:51,830 --> 00:14:54,729 of Google after the acquisition, but we were 288 00:14:55,316 --> 00:14:56,939 allowed to make the decisions 289 00:14:57,077 --> 00:14:59,251 of where we wanted to take the product. 290 00:15:00,494 --> 00:15:03,290 [soft music] 291 00:15:04,601 --> 00:15:06,569 I think when it got acquired by Google, 292 00:15:07,121 --> 00:15:10,711 the general narrowing of the Internet, where like, 293 00:15:10,849 --> 00:15:13,334 there used to be web surfing 294 00:15:13,472 --> 00:15:15,681 where you would just, like, bounce around 295 00:15:15,819 --> 00:15:18,719 all these different sites from all these different creators, 296 00:15:18,857 --> 00:15:23,137 and really be looking at different things. 297 00:15:23,275 --> 00:15:24,690 And now we're much more centralized on 298 00:15:24,828 --> 00:15:27,003 our social media feeds, and there's a sense 299 00:15:27,141 --> 00:15:28,971 of much more controlled chaos. 300 00:15:29,109 --> 00:15:30,800 Like, everyone's talking 301 00:15:30,938 --> 00:15:33,044 and talking over each other and contributing, 302 00:15:33,182 --> 00:15:35,839 but within these silos, there's 303 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:39,740 the central platform of the whole Internet. 304 00:15:40,534 --> 00:15:42,501 [calm music] 305 00:15:44,262 --> 00:15:46,022 [male narrator] The wheels of the tech industry never stop turning. 306 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,130 And in 2007, we saw glimpse after glimpse of new technology. 307 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:52,995 [soft music] 308 00:15:54,582 --> 00:15:57,758 That was, like, the pinnacle of the moment when everyone 309 00:15:57,896 --> 00:16:00,657 was so excited about the potential of technology 310 00:16:00,795 --> 00:16:04,178 and social media to change the world for the better. 311 00:16:04,385 --> 00:16:05,800 This is one device... 312 00:16:05,938 --> 00:16:07,250 [crowd cheering] 313 00:16:07,388 --> 00:16:10,702 and we are calling it iPhone. 314 00:16:11,496 --> 00:16:14,085 [Becca] There was this idea, of, like, organizations, 315 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:17,536 these old bureaucratic institutions aren't going to matter anymore 316 00:16:17,674 --> 00:16:20,608 because people can kind of come together 317 00:16:20,746 --> 00:16:24,923 just using the Internet, and can change the world that way. 318 00:16:25,061 --> 00:16:27,822 [crowd chanting] 319 00:16:29,307 --> 00:16:31,309 [police screaming] 320 00:16:31,447 --> 00:16:33,794 [woman] I like to think of this as the beginning of the revolution. 321 00:16:33,932 --> 00:16:36,831 So this is a bunch of people coming together to create a new cultural impulse. 322 00:16:36,969 --> 00:16:38,661 [engine buzzing] 323 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:40,835 [Jillian] States would control what foreign media can do, 324 00:16:40,973 --> 00:16:43,562 and I think we really saw this at the beginning 325 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,944 of the Egyptian uprising, 326 00:16:46,082 --> 00:16:48,498 when there were only a few networks that already had people in the country. 327 00:16:48,636 --> 00:16:52,330 And those networks, they didn't have the same kind of access that people 328 00:16:52,468 --> 00:16:53,779 posting to YouTube did. 329 00:16:53,917 --> 00:16:55,643 I think because of a lack of trust 330 00:16:55,781 --> 00:16:58,370 that the people had in foreign media 331 00:16:58,508 --> 00:17:02,374 and reasonably so, because foreign media had, whether intentionally or not, 332 00:17:02,512 --> 00:17:05,101 had ignored a lot of these issues for a long time. 333 00:17:05,239 --> 00:17:07,103 [crowd screaming] 334 00:17:07,241 --> 00:17:11,176 [interpreter] President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has decided 335 00:17:11,314 --> 00:17:14,766 to wave the office of the president of the Republic. 336 00:17:14,904 --> 00:17:17,044 [crowd cheering] 337 00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:20,737 [male reporter] A voice which ushered in a social revolution in Egypt 338 00:17:20,875 --> 00:17:23,602 where the most powerful weapon was social networking. 339 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:25,294 [crowd cheering] 340 00:17:25,432 --> 00:17:27,537 [calm music] 341 00:17:27,744 --> 00:17:30,230 We were able to connect with people all over the world. 342 00:17:30,368 --> 00:17:32,646 We were able to have these conversations that would expose things in our country, 343 00:17:32,784 --> 00:17:35,925 that helped us to understand the connections between 344 00:17:36,063 --> 00:17:38,238 all of our countries and the things that we had in common. 345 00:17:38,721 --> 00:17:40,619 [calm music] 346 00:17:41,241 --> 00:17:42,587 This on? 347 00:17:44,451 --> 00:17:48,248 I'm Fred and... Mom, I'm not using your camera! 348 00:17:49,594 --> 00:17:54,909 [Steve] I think one major change that happened after the acquisition, 349 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:58,327 what eventually led to this concept of the YouTuber. 350 00:17:58,465 --> 00:18:00,467 -Hey bitches! -What's happening, forum? 351 00:18:00,605 --> 00:18:02,676 Hi, we're the Fine brothers. 352 00:18:02,814 --> 00:18:05,541 For those of you who don't know me, I'm Brookers, and I'm an Internet celebrity. 353 00:18:05,782 --> 00:18:09,890 [woman] He's an international superstar, the most downloaded man on the planet. 354 00:18:10,511 --> 00:18:12,824 You pretty much can stop anyone here and ask them 355 00:18:12,962 --> 00:18:16,862 how they found out about K-pop, they found out on YouTube. 356 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,968 [K-pop music] 357 00:18:19,106 --> 00:18:22,005 [Steve] Korean K-Pop, that's all possible because all of a sudden 358 00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:25,595 you have content that was being created in one part of the world 359 00:18:25,733 --> 00:18:29,772 that just happened to have viewers from the rest of the world. 360 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:31,670 [upbeat music] 361 00:18:31,808 --> 00:18:32,982 Pow! 362 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,123 You became able to see actual people 363 00:18:36,261 --> 00:18:39,195 living in other parts of the country, other parts of the world. 364 00:18:39,333 --> 00:18:41,404 Hi, everyone. [speaking Korean] 365 00:18:41,611 --> 00:18:44,338 ...who were experiencing the same things you were, and maybe, you know, 366 00:18:44,476 --> 00:18:46,858 we're boldly speaking about them in a different set of terms 367 00:18:46,996 --> 00:18:49,309 than you'd been able to access through mainstream media. 368 00:18:49,447 --> 00:18:51,587 I'm back, Black, and ready to lay the facts. 369 00:18:51,725 --> 00:18:54,314 [Jillian] If you're a person of color who's not living in a major city, 370 00:18:54,452 --> 00:18:57,662 who doesn't have connections to other people who look like you, 371 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,251 then YouTube enables you to see people who look like you 372 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:03,288 who might share your perspective or who might have a totally different perspective. 373 00:19:03,426 --> 00:19:05,773 And so it allows you to see a spectrum of people 374 00:19:05,911 --> 00:19:09,225 who maybe had some of the same features as you, 375 00:19:09,363 --> 00:19:10,813 or the same proclivities as you, 376 00:19:10,951 --> 00:19:13,056 but who were engaging in different activities 377 00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:15,335 than the people in your own community were. 378 00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:18,372 Y'all are gonna be my best friends. 379 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:21,064 -Oh, my God! -Oh, my God. 380 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:22,963 -Oh, my God! -Oh, my God. 381 00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:24,965 [Anthony] It was a couple of years into us 382 00:19:25,103 --> 00:19:27,450 doing what we were doing that we ever met anyone else 383 00:19:27,588 --> 00:19:29,280 that created content on YouTube. 384 00:19:29,418 --> 00:19:30,798 -I'm Toby. -Hey everybody. 385 00:19:30,936 --> 00:19:32,110 It's Michael Buck from the What the Buck Show. 386 00:19:32,248 --> 00:19:33,456 What's up? It's Brittani Taylor. 387 00:19:33,594 --> 00:19:35,734 I'm here at VidCon with Josh Rhymer. 388 00:19:36,701 --> 00:19:38,668 [Anthony] And it was such a surreal experience, like, 389 00:19:38,806 --> 00:19:41,153 seeing someone face to face who also had a following, 390 00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:43,190 who understood this world. 391 00:19:43,328 --> 00:19:45,986 'Cause before that, it was really, it was a lot of talk about, like, 392 00:19:46,124 --> 00:19:49,265 how can you use this to get into mainstream media? 393 00:19:49,748 --> 00:19:51,888 Like, New Media wasn't a term, it was like, 394 00:19:52,026 --> 00:19:54,822 YouTube was just a place for trash, is how they saw it. 395 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,412 So get yourself onto Nickelodeon or MTV. 396 00:19:58,550 --> 00:20:00,966 And like, we literally had a meeting with MTV and we pitched 397 00:20:01,104 --> 00:20:04,660 all these ideas and they didn't know what to do with us. 398 00:20:04,798 --> 00:20:07,007 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to my channel. 399 00:20:07,145 --> 00:20:10,113 It's your girl Jackie Aina. If you are new here, welcome. 400 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:13,047 [Susan] We've really had no gatekeepers that have said, 401 00:20:13,185 --> 00:20:16,327 you know, "Send me your script and I'll decide whether or not we fund you." 402 00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:18,018 We just say, "Hey, post it on YouTube." 403 00:20:18,156 --> 00:20:21,021 Tonight, my guests are two transgender YouTubers 404 00:20:21,159 --> 00:20:22,885 from opposite ends of the political spectrum. 405 00:20:23,023 --> 00:20:25,232 But I've brought them here together to engage in 406 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:27,890 a rational, free-thinking debate about a timeless... 407 00:20:28,028 --> 00:20:31,203 [Natalie Wynn] YouTube is so individual, right? 408 00:20:31,342 --> 00:20:37,348 Generally, video is something that is produced with a big team of people. 409 00:20:38,314 --> 00:20:41,697 [piano music] 410 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,804 It's a very solitary project for me. Like, I write the script, 411 00:20:45,942 --> 00:20:49,256 I'm doing the wardrobe, I'm doing the makeup, I'm setting the camera up, 412 00:20:49,394 --> 00:20:51,672 I'm positioning the lights, I designed the set. 413 00:20:51,810 --> 00:20:53,847 I turned the camera on, I'm sitting in a room alone 414 00:20:53,985 --> 00:20:56,021 talking to the camera, and then I edited it myself. 415 00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:58,817 I mean, it's a very solitary project. 416 00:20:59,956 --> 00:21:02,545 [piano music] 417 00:21:04,823 --> 00:21:06,618 [piano music continues] 418 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:09,069 I don't know, maybe this is a little bit of vanity, 419 00:21:09,207 --> 00:21:11,934 but it's like, it feels like a very personal like, 420 00:21:12,072 --> 00:21:13,936 more like writing a book would feel 421 00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:16,076 than directing a movie, you know? 422 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,907 [piano music] 423 00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:24,360 I think I first uploaded to YouTube in 2007. 424 00:21:24,809 --> 00:21:26,845 And it was a video of me playing the piano. 425 00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:29,400 So YouTube as a website has been in my life 426 00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:31,125 a long time, since I was in high school. 427 00:21:31,263 --> 00:21:33,438 What do I look like to you, some kind of philosopher? 428 00:21:33,576 --> 00:21:34,922 [harp notes] 429 00:21:36,027 --> 00:21:37,994 I majored in philosophy and psychology, 430 00:21:38,132 --> 00:21:40,859 then I started getting a PhD in philosophy, 431 00:21:40,997 --> 00:21:42,792 got two years into that before realizing 432 00:21:42,930 --> 00:21:46,486 "I don't want to be an academic. This does not suit me at all." 433 00:21:46,624 --> 00:21:48,764 Gentlemen of the Academy, 434 00:21:48,902 --> 00:21:54,425 it is my duty to submit to you the findings of my latest mimetic research. 435 00:21:54,873 --> 00:21:58,601 What are traps, and be they gay? 436 00:21:59,188 --> 00:22:02,294 I was using a philosophy background and making arguments, 437 00:22:02,881 --> 00:22:05,677 but I'm also making entertainment. 438 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,439 [crowd cheering and cameras clicking] 439 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:12,581 [male reporter] YouTube celebrities are laughing along with their fans 440 00:22:12,719 --> 00:22:14,686 all the way to the bank. 441 00:22:16,412 --> 00:22:19,242 The last one of you take your hand off this million dollar stack of cash, keeps it. 442 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:22,694 [female interviewer] How do you go from working in a supermarket five years ago 443 00:22:22,832 --> 00:22:24,593 to earning more than 12 million pounds this year? 444 00:22:25,387 --> 00:22:27,630 Part of me is not sure. I just do something that 445 00:22:27,768 --> 00:22:30,668 I absolutely love and put it out there for anyone to watch. 446 00:22:30,806 --> 00:22:33,636 โ™ช I don't need money I don't need cars โ™ช 447 00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:36,467 โ™ช Girl you're my heart โ™ช 448 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,677 [Steve] You know, some of the most recognized musician names out there, 449 00:22:39,815 --> 00:22:42,438 they created their content when they were 13, 14 years old, 450 00:22:42,576 --> 00:22:46,477 uploading it as sort of an amateurish piece of content onto YouTube. 451 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,237 What's up guys, my name is Shawn Mendes. 452 00:22:48,375 --> 00:22:50,550 [Steve] And then you fast forward a few years, 453 00:22:50,688 --> 00:22:53,484 and they're performing in front of hundreds of thousands of people. 454 00:22:55,071 --> 00:22:57,108 [crowd screaming] 455 00:22:57,729 --> 00:23:00,145 [female newscaster] It's amazing making money off of YouTube, 456 00:23:00,283 --> 00:23:02,941 and two Sacramento 20-somethings are on that list. 457 00:23:03,873 --> 00:23:07,981 [Anthony] Our channel was one of the first ten channels to ever be monetized. 458 00:23:08,568 --> 00:23:11,743 They said we will give you $10,000 dollars each month if you have 459 00:23:11,881 --> 00:23:13,711 these ads as part of this partnership program. 460 00:23:14,021 --> 00:23:16,748 Obviously, that's a shit ton of money for, 461 00:23:16,886 --> 00:23:19,475 God, we were 19 years old. 462 00:23:19,613 --> 00:23:21,684 [crowd screaming] 463 00:23:23,479 --> 00:23:24,515 [Natalie] In the early days, no one was doing this professionally, 464 00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:26,482 or very few people were. 465 00:23:26,620 --> 00:23:28,484 And if they were doing it, it's because they were making ad money. 466 00:23:28,622 --> 00:23:31,176 -[man] What the heck? -I've never seen a dead person. 467 00:23:31,556 --> 00:23:33,247 - You haven't? -No, bro. 468 00:23:35,077 --> 00:23:37,113 [Natalie] That really affects the kind of content that you can make 469 00:23:37,942 --> 00:23:41,290 Because it incentivizes you to make as much content 470 00:23:41,428 --> 00:23:45,018 that gets as many clicks as possible by any means necessary. 471 00:23:45,156 --> 00:23:47,848 [reporter] For more than a month, Mona Lisa Perez said her boyfriend 472 00:23:47,986 --> 00:23:51,093 had been begging her to launch his YouTube channel with a bang. 473 00:23:51,231 --> 00:23:55,200 I may fail, but if I fail, I wanna die trying. 474 00:23:56,167 --> 00:23:58,721 [Boy] He has a microwave stuck to his head. 475 00:23:58,859 --> 00:24:02,242 I know this sounds like a prank call, but he was trying to film a YouTube video. 476 00:24:02,967 --> 00:24:04,209 [Natalie] It doesn't have to be good. 477 00:24:04,347 --> 00:24:06,177 People don't have to wanna pay for it. 478 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,145 You just have to get eyes on the video. 479 00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:12,666 Dear fat people. Ah! Some people are already really mad at this video. 480 00:24:12,804 --> 00:24:14,392 What are you going to do, fat people? What are you gonna do? 481 00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:15,842 What are you, gonna chase me? 482 00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:17,637 All right, pull up with the gang. 483 00:24:17,775 --> 00:24:20,225 You know, and look at who they offer partnerships to. 484 00:24:20,363 --> 00:24:23,228 No channel grows to hundreds of thousands or millions of followers incidentally. 485 00:24:23,366 --> 00:24:24,885 Be sure to drop a like, hit that subscribe button. 486 00:24:25,023 --> 00:24:26,991 15,000 likes on this video. 487 00:24:27,647 --> 00:24:30,650 [Talia] So much of it is about generating clicks. 488 00:24:30,788 --> 00:24:34,377 Like, it's even rougher than the news clickbait economy 489 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:38,071 because you sink or swim based on your impressions. 490 00:24:38,209 --> 00:24:40,038 And for a lot of people, it's their sole livelihood, 491 00:24:40,176 --> 00:24:42,765 And so everything is this capital letter, 492 00:24:42,903 --> 00:24:46,389 everything's sort of in bold, and italics, 493 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:47,908 and exclamation points. 494 00:24:48,046 --> 00:24:49,807 We've been getting 50,000 likes 495 00:24:49,945 --> 00:24:51,567 on all of my videos, so go hit that like button. 496 00:24:51,705 --> 00:24:53,673 [soft music] 497 00:24:55,157 --> 00:24:57,297 [music continues] 498 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:01,335 Everything on YouTube changed when 499 00:25:01,473 --> 00:25:04,511 the recommender algorithm was introduced in 2011. 500 00:25:05,132 --> 00:25:07,549 YouTube started rewarding the content that had 501 00:25:07,687 --> 00:25:11,691 the highest click-through rates and the highest watch time. 502 00:25:11,829 --> 00:25:13,624 And like, some kind of combination of that. 503 00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:16,868 [upbeat music] 504 00:25:17,835 --> 00:25:20,596 [Anthony] The algorithm doesn't differentiate between 505 00:25:20,734 --> 00:25:23,012 a positive piece of content that makes you feel good, 506 00:25:23,150 --> 00:25:24,807 walk away with a smile on your face, 507 00:25:24,945 --> 00:25:26,775 versus something that pisses you off 508 00:25:26,913 --> 00:25:28,742 and makes you super angry. 509 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,987 In fact, it tends to sway toward the stuff that makes you angry, 510 00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:34,334 because you're more likely to click on other videos 511 00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:37,717 to learn more about this subject that's upsetting you, 512 00:25:37,855 --> 00:25:40,582 you're more likely to respond to a negative thing 513 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,101 that gets under your skin if it's in the comments. 514 00:25:44,137 --> 00:25:47,209 Unless you are sort of seeking out specific content, 515 00:25:47,347 --> 00:25:49,763 what YouTube serves you is sort of a stew of the stuff 516 00:25:49,901 --> 00:25:52,594 that's meant to excite and engage, 517 00:25:52,732 --> 00:25:55,251 you know, whether positively or negatively. 518 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,154 [Anthony] YouTube also didn't want clickbait to be the number one thing 519 00:26:01,292 --> 00:26:02,983 that was dominating the platform. 520 00:26:03,121 --> 00:26:04,813 I think that they cracked down by saying, 521 00:26:04,951 --> 00:26:07,574 "Well, we'll reward whoever sticks around the longest." 522 00:26:07,712 --> 00:26:10,301 So you can't just have that enticing thumbnail and trick people into getting there. 523 00:26:10,439 --> 00:26:14,201 You have to also captivate them and keep them around. 524 00:26:16,134 --> 00:26:20,242 Part of me is scared about what impacts 525 00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:22,762 these algorithms will have on the future 526 00:26:24,246 --> 00:26:27,456 because the algorithm is a beast that really can't be tamed 527 00:26:27,594 --> 00:26:29,803 once it's been unleashed and it's already been unleashed. 528 00:26:29,941 --> 00:26:32,323 We have some really big projects, we got Food Battle, of course, coming up, 529 00:26:32,461 --> 00:26:34,877 we've got some big music videos we're working on. 530 00:26:35,015 --> 00:26:36,534 -Yeah. -We're upping our game. 531 00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:39,157 [Anthony] But it's like, it's an endless loop. 532 00:26:40,918 --> 00:26:42,816 You step away from YouTube for a little while as a content creator 533 00:26:42,954 --> 00:26:44,853 and you feel a little... 534 00:26:45,819 --> 00:26:48,719 pain in your heart. Like, what if people stop... 535 00:26:49,133 --> 00:26:50,962 What, are people gonna forget about me 536 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:52,999 if I take two or three weeks off? 537 00:26:53,137 --> 00:26:54,828 or even a month off, are people...? 538 00:26:54,966 --> 00:26:58,660 Is the algorithm not going to show my content to anyone again? 539 00:26:58,798 --> 00:27:01,214 So the algorithm is controlling the creator in that sense. 540 00:27:01,352 --> 00:27:05,770 It makes you feel obligated to continue your momentum. 541 00:27:05,908 --> 00:27:08,808 You can't break your momentum is kind of the feeling that most people have. 542 00:27:08,946 --> 00:27:10,948 [eerie music] 543 00:27:11,086 --> 00:27:13,605 These platforms are in the engagement business. 544 00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:15,711 At the end of the day, they're giving away their products for free. 545 00:27:15,849 --> 00:27:18,990 And the way they make money is by keeping you on the platform 546 00:27:19,128 --> 00:27:21,544 for as long as possible, extracting data from you, 547 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,754 and delivering ads. 548 00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,239 Now Facebook, it's very easy to see the recommendation algorithms. 549 00:27:26,377 --> 00:27:30,415 Your newsfeed is 100% curated for you 550 00:27:30,553 --> 00:27:33,211 to provide you with articles that will keep you 551 00:27:33,349 --> 00:27:35,110 on the platform for as long as possible. 552 00:27:35,248 --> 00:27:37,250 YouTube, it's a little bit less obvious, 553 00:27:37,388 --> 00:27:40,805 But if you look at the viewing patterns on YouTube, 554 00:27:40,943 --> 00:27:43,359 a full 70%, 7-0, 555 00:27:43,497 --> 00:27:46,121 of all YouTube videos that are watched today 556 00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:50,539 are recommended by YouTube through Watch Next, 557 00:27:50,677 --> 00:27:52,955 so the autoplay that is by default on, 558 00:27:53,093 --> 00:27:55,406 and then the Recommended For You panel 559 00:27:55,544 --> 00:27:57,408 and the recommendations on the right hand side. 560 00:27:57,546 --> 00:27:58,961 How's it choosing those? 561 00:27:59,099 --> 00:28:01,584 So of course, part of that algorithm is, 562 00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,621 "This is something that is relevant to this." 563 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,450 But some of it is that, 564 00:28:05,588 --> 00:28:07,107 "Look, we know people will click on this, and if you click on it, 565 00:28:07,245 --> 00:28:09,489 I get more data and I get more ads." 566 00:28:10,214 --> 00:28:11,594 And that has led to lots of problems. 567 00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:13,562 The rabbit hole effect, the echo chamber. 568 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,875 So for example, if you go on to YouTube today 569 00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:17,635 you click on moon landing, 570 00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:20,155 within a couple of clicks, you will be in La-la Land 571 00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:21,673 talking about conspiracy theories 572 00:28:21,812 --> 00:28:23,883 around that the moon landing is faked. 573 00:28:24,021 --> 00:28:28,853 A full 10% of recommendations were conspiratorial. 574 00:28:28,991 --> 00:28:30,372 That's insane. 575 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:33,271 Well, I just got kicked out of Starbucks for asking 576 00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:36,481 NASA employee questions because he's lying. 577 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,141 [Hany] So it's not just that these platforms are neutral. 578 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,109 You know, it'd be one thing to say, 579 00:28:43,247 --> 00:28:44,973 "Hey, look, we are sitting back, people can upload videos, 580 00:28:45,111 --> 00:28:46,457 you get to look at what you want." 581 00:28:46,595 --> 00:28:48,321 That's not how these platforms work. 582 00:28:48,459 --> 00:28:51,220 They are choosing to amplify things that engage. 583 00:28:51,358 --> 00:28:54,499 And what we know is that the more conspiratorial, the more hateful, 584 00:28:54,637 --> 00:28:56,363 the more divisive, the more it engages. 585 00:28:56,501 --> 00:28:58,849 Dipshit. And get that camera out of my... 586 00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:03,060 [engine roaring] 587 00:29:06,132 --> 00:29:08,134 [calm music] 588 00:29:08,479 --> 00:29:11,413 [Caleb Cain] I realized that the Internet was a place 589 00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:15,244 where a lot of people describe it as escapism, and I kind of resent that. 590 00:29:15,382 --> 00:29:18,765 Because it's not just that, I had video games for escapism. 591 00:29:18,903 --> 00:29:22,044 I had, you know, going out with my friends for escapism. 592 00:29:22,182 --> 00:29:23,528 But what the Internet had was, 593 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,841 especially in the early days of YouTube, 594 00:29:26,186 --> 00:29:28,223 you could find dissident information, 595 00:29:28,361 --> 00:29:30,915 You could find information on there that was outside the culture. 596 00:29:31,364 --> 00:29:33,987 And the reason that's so important is because you can't see 597 00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:37,473 contradictions in your society unless you get outside the culture. 598 00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:40,994 [calm music] 599 00:29:41,995 --> 00:29:45,827 Suddenly, I could start to see how things in my life weren't working 600 00:29:45,965 --> 00:29:48,933 because I could see what was going on in other places. 601 00:29:49,658 --> 00:29:51,694 It didn't always lead you to the right place. 602 00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:55,802 And sometimes the truth comes with a lie and a price tag. 603 00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:59,737 But you had freedom that you never had before, 604 00:29:59,875 --> 00:30:03,051 and that I never experienced in my day-to-day life. 605 00:30:04,293 --> 00:30:07,538 Hi, everybody. My name is Caleb. 606 00:30:09,057 --> 00:30:10,886 You know, welcome to my channel. 607 00:30:12,784 --> 00:30:17,789 So you can probably tell by the description 608 00:30:18,376 --> 00:30:22,070 on the video, in the title, what this is gonna be about. 609 00:30:24,141 --> 00:30:27,316 So I'm just gonna get right into it. 610 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:34,082 I fell down the alt-right rabbit hole. 611 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,256 So it begins. 612 00:30:36,394 --> 00:30:39,225 You're in a death battle, New World Order. We know. 613 00:30:39,363 --> 00:30:41,192 If I lived in Saudi Arabia, they'd kill me. 614 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:42,884 If I lived in China, they'd kill me. 615 00:30:43,022 --> 00:30:45,196 You still gotta sell your soul. 616 00:30:45,334 --> 00:30:46,957 You gotta write your name in blood. 617 00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:49,373 [man] Whites are getting fed up, 618 00:30:49,511 --> 00:30:53,066 Whites are getting tired of being disenfranchised and neglected. 619 00:30:53,204 --> 00:30:55,448 Hail our people. Hail victory. 620 00:30:55,586 --> 00:30:57,415 [laughs] 621 00:30:57,553 --> 00:30:59,279 [screams] 622 00:30:59,417 --> 00:31:00,729 [Caleb] Well, at first I was kinda just depressed skimming the web. 623 00:31:00,867 --> 00:31:02,524 But I think at some point, 624 00:31:02,662 --> 00:31:05,423 I had found this video called "God is in the Neurons," 625 00:31:05,561 --> 00:31:08,323 and it was from this YouTuber that I used to watch in high school, 626 00:31:08,461 --> 00:31:10,325 And it gave me this concept that 627 00:31:10,463 --> 00:31:12,465 I could rewire my brain and really self-improve. 628 00:31:12,603 --> 00:31:16,469 [man] Our beliefs have a profound impact on our body chemistry. 629 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:18,954 [Caleb] And that took me to self-help content. 630 00:31:19,092 --> 00:31:21,474 And then the algorithm just started feeding up more self-help content. 631 00:31:21,612 --> 00:31:24,339 There is no such thing as mental illness. 632 00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:26,306 [Caleb] You start with someone like Stefan 633 00:31:26,444 --> 00:31:28,067 because you're looking for self-help. 634 00:31:28,584 --> 00:31:30,552 And so we call that an on-ramp, right? 635 00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:33,037 In the study of extremism, we would call that an on-ramp. 636 00:31:33,175 --> 00:31:36,282 And you go from that self-help, 637 00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:39,354 which has now validated your identity, 638 00:31:39,492 --> 00:31:41,632 it's given you a direction to go, 639 00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:45,843 it's given you an algorithmic list, to use the word a bit ironically, 640 00:31:45,981 --> 00:31:47,258 of things that you have to do. 641 00:31:47,396 --> 00:31:48,846 And I'll tell you what, 642 00:31:48,984 --> 00:31:50,744 people are looking for that in a complicated world 643 00:31:50,882 --> 00:31:53,230 and especially young men are looking for that. 644 00:31:53,368 --> 00:31:56,060 It's now time for the return of men. 645 00:31:57,130 --> 00:32:01,721 [Caleb] It seems that the algorithm would always pull you towards 646 00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:03,412 the more hyperbolic content, 647 00:32:03,550 --> 00:32:05,725 towards the content that was a bit more extreme. 648 00:32:05,863 --> 00:32:09,867 Muslims by the million have been pouring into Europe. 649 00:32:10,316 --> 00:32:12,214 And you can see the terrible problems 650 00:32:12,352 --> 00:32:14,389 that have arisen as a consequence. 651 00:32:14,527 --> 00:32:16,874 [Caleb] And there was an uncomfortability when you went a bit deeper 652 00:32:17,012 --> 00:32:18,600 into this specific ideology, 653 00:32:18,738 --> 00:32:22,259 because not only is it depressing, but it's hateful, 654 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,847 That specific rabbit hole, 655 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:28,817 I feel like what it was truly doing was, it wasn't radicalizing me, 656 00:32:28,955 --> 00:32:33,546 I was already radicalizing because of how my life was going. 657 00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:38,620 But it was killing my empathy. It was turning me into a sociopath. 658 00:32:39,897 --> 00:32:42,658 [insects buzzing] 659 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:52,047 YouTube is now like a Walmart in a town where there's a Walmart 660 00:32:52,185 --> 00:32:54,636 and a Dollar General and a CVS. 661 00:32:54,774 --> 00:32:58,157 Like it's one of the sole organizing destinations. 662 00:32:58,295 --> 00:32:59,675 And in the case of the far right, 663 00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:01,746 and like, right-wing political content, 664 00:33:01,884 --> 00:33:03,369 radicalizing political content, 665 00:33:03,507 --> 00:33:06,544 it's like Walmart having a big old gun aisle. 666 00:33:12,205 --> 00:33:13,827 [Natalie] Well, I think a lot of people 667 00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:16,934 come to YouTube to do commentary, to do politics 668 00:33:17,072 --> 00:33:21,352 because they feel like their perspective is not represented elsewhere. 669 00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:24,114 Words like racist, misogynistic, 670 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:26,944 and transphobic are not insults, 671 00:33:27,427 --> 00:33:30,327 nor are they stereotypes or generalizations. 672 00:33:30,844 --> 00:33:33,985 Rather, they are facts about the way we are socialized 673 00:33:34,124 --> 00:33:35,780 in a Western society. 674 00:33:35,918 --> 00:33:38,093 I'll be honest with you, if I hate anything about Black culture, 675 00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:41,476 it's that it's such a victim culture, almost a victim cult. 676 00:33:42,028 --> 00:33:44,272 [Natalie] I do think in general that people who feel marginalized 677 00:33:44,410 --> 00:33:47,861 or who feel like they're on the fringe, tend to gather on YouTube. 678 00:33:47,999 --> 00:33:49,415 You don't deserve to get laid. 679 00:33:49,553 --> 00:33:51,382 [Caleb] Then come along the alt right, 680 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,005 and they really took that whole dynamic 681 00:33:54,144 --> 00:33:57,319 and just revolutionized it and innovated it. 682 00:33:57,802 --> 00:34:01,151 And then they took many of those Internet nihilists 683 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,809 and they took that radical energy, and they directed it 684 00:34:05,741 --> 00:34:08,779 well, towards dominance, and fear, 685 00:34:08,917 --> 00:34:10,401 and hate, to be honest with you. 686 00:34:11,161 --> 00:34:13,887 [sigh] Well, this is my last video. 687 00:34:15,268 --> 00:34:16,959 It all has to come to this. 688 00:34:17,615 --> 00:34:19,962 You forced me to suffer all my life, 689 00:34:20,377 --> 00:34:22,551 and now I'll make you all suffer. 690 00:34:24,691 --> 00:34:27,038 [female TV host] An angry and psychologically twisted young man whose public rantings 691 00:34:27,177 --> 00:34:29,075 exploded into sheer terror. 692 00:34:29,213 --> 00:34:30,766 [gunshots] 693 00:34:30,904 --> 00:34:32,803 [policeman] Shots fired. Shots fired. 694 00:34:32,941 --> 00:34:35,461 [female TV host] Taking six young lives and injuring 13. 695 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,739 A virgin vowing revenge 696 00:34:37,877 --> 00:34:42,399 in a twisted video he posted Friday, addressed at his perceived enemies, 697 00:34:42,537 --> 00:34:44,780 young women he says rejected him. 698 00:34:44,918 --> 00:34:49,647 You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, 699 00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:52,719 the true alpha male. 700 00:34:53,755 --> 00:34:57,068 [woman] Aggression, violence and unbridled ambition can't be eliminated 701 00:34:57,207 --> 00:34:58,346 from the male psyche. 702 00:34:58,484 --> 00:35:00,244 They can only be harnessed. 703 00:35:00,382 --> 00:35:02,522 Rape, murder, war. 704 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:04,524 They all have two things in common. 705 00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:08,287 Bad men who do the raping, murdering and warring, 706 00:35:08,425 --> 00:35:09,943 and weak men who won't stop them. 707 00:35:10,081 --> 00:35:11,876 We need good men who will. 708 00:35:12,739 --> 00:35:14,845 PragerU is an interesting example because 709 00:35:14,983 --> 00:35:17,675 they pitch themselves as an educational channel. 710 00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:21,610 They very much mimic online course stuff, 711 00:35:21,748 --> 00:35:25,580 but what they're feeding you is very, very, quite radical 712 00:35:25,718 --> 00:35:27,306 right wing ideology. 713 00:35:27,444 --> 00:35:29,204 My message has been simple. 714 00:35:29,756 --> 00:35:32,000 Islam is not a religion of peace. 715 00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:35,417 [Talia] I think one of the things to debunk is this idea that 716 00:35:35,555 --> 00:35:37,454 it's solely an algorithm issue. 717 00:35:37,592 --> 00:35:39,939 One big mechanism of radicalization, 718 00:35:40,077 --> 00:35:42,459 it's not just algorithmic, it's very deliberate. 719 00:35:42,597 --> 00:35:47,118 These channels, they build parasocial relationships with their viewers 720 00:35:47,257 --> 00:35:49,569 so they feel a deep connection with you. 721 00:35:49,707 --> 00:35:52,158 I think it's more visceral with video content. 722 00:35:52,296 --> 00:35:55,023 I think it's more intense with video content. 723 00:35:55,161 --> 00:35:58,958 My name is Candace Owens, and you are watching my vlog series. 724 00:35:59,096 --> 00:36:02,479 [Talia] You know, the sort of confessional vlog-y, casual, 725 00:36:02,617 --> 00:36:04,929 "This is my living room, you're looking at me," 726 00:36:05,482 --> 00:36:10,659 kind of style, really, really facilitates that kind of parasocial relationship. 727 00:36:10,797 --> 00:36:13,697 I just wanted to say thank you. I've seen some of the comments. 728 00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,493 Some of you are a marvel. You send actual letters. 729 00:36:16,803 --> 00:36:19,116 [Talia] And it's just, like, a Suggested Follows, 730 00:36:19,254 --> 00:36:21,152 And that's its own issue. 731 00:36:21,291 --> 00:36:23,396 Because these are very well-funded channels, 732 00:36:23,534 --> 00:36:25,571 these are big moneymakers. 733 00:36:25,709 --> 00:36:27,918 [Steven Crowder] There are two videos completed here, Louder with Crowder. 734 00:36:28,056 --> 00:36:30,334 This team never would've been able to do, 735 00:36:30,472 --> 00:36:32,198 if not for this man, Kevin, 736 00:36:32,336 --> 00:36:35,512 lending us his personal plane. 737 00:36:36,651 --> 00:36:39,274 [woman] My skin's been pretty good, to be honest. 738 00:36:39,999 --> 00:36:41,690 I think YouTube is a very intimate format. 739 00:36:41,828 --> 00:36:43,382 If you're watching a YouTube video, 740 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,694 people tend to watch it by themselves, 741 00:36:45,832 --> 00:36:47,455 you watch it while you're eating, you watch it while you're going to bed. 742 00:36:47,593 --> 00:36:49,595 You're watching one person talk to you. 743 00:36:49,905 --> 00:36:51,562 There's something very intimate about that. 744 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,255 You feel like you know this person. 745 00:36:54,393 --> 00:36:59,501 It's a little bit uncanny, you know, because they feel that they know me, 746 00:37:00,157 --> 00:37:02,021 but I don't know them. 747 00:37:02,711 --> 00:37:04,575 We've talked about some heavy stuff on this channel. 748 00:37:04,713 --> 00:37:06,301 But I was gonna say, "Oh, it's one of th..." 749 00:37:06,439 --> 00:37:09,753 You know, if someone's broadcasting from their bedroom, 750 00:37:09,891 --> 00:37:12,238 you feel this real sense of intimacy with them, 751 00:37:12,376 --> 00:37:15,517 you feel like you know the intimate details of their lives. 752 00:37:15,655 --> 00:37:20,142 I remember once I had a girlfriend who was not jealous to begin with, 753 00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:21,972 but became kind of jealous, 754 00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:24,526 particularly as I became more successful as an entrepreneur. 755 00:37:24,664 --> 00:37:26,873 She became more jealous and more insecure. 756 00:37:28,737 --> 00:37:30,532 [Becca] And then when they start kind of telling you about their beliefs 757 00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:32,741 and views, that packs a real punch 758 00:37:32,879 --> 00:37:35,951 that other delivery mechanisms wouldn't. 759 00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:39,300 The right are the producers, the makers, and the left are the takers 760 00:37:39,438 --> 00:37:41,888 or those who manage that taking and thereby gain political power 761 00:37:42,026 --> 00:37:45,133 by being able to hand out gifts that they have not earned 762 00:37:45,271 --> 00:37:47,100 but are taking from the makers. 763 00:37:47,618 --> 00:37:51,553 [Becca] And so there's become this kind of cottage industry of 764 00:37:51,691 --> 00:37:56,247 far-right creators on YouTube who take advantage of that 765 00:37:56,386 --> 00:37:58,008 and broadcast to their audiences 766 00:37:58,146 --> 00:38:01,183 and are quite effective at radicalizing them. 767 00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,842 I'm a weapon. I'm made to be thrown at you. [laughs] 768 00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:09,399 [uplifting music] 769 00:38:12,091 --> 00:38:14,473 Just between you and I, I know the cameras aren't on right now, right? 770 00:38:14,611 --> 00:38:15,888 -Say, "What?" -What? 771 00:38:16,026 --> 00:38:17,579 I know the cameras are not on right now. 772 00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:19,685 -Keep saying, "What"? -What? 773 00:38:19,823 --> 00:38:21,342 [laughs] 774 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,965 [Anthony] Yeah, I mean, it was really hard for me to, 775 00:38:24,103 --> 00:38:26,347 like, even think about where YouTube was going because we're so caught up in it. 776 00:38:26,485 --> 00:38:31,110 But I definitely thought that it was going to replace mainstream media. 777 00:38:31,697 --> 00:38:33,906 All right. Love you guys. Thanks again for supporting. 778 00:38:34,044 --> 00:38:35,597 -Thank you. -Love you. Bye. 779 00:38:35,735 --> 00:38:38,911 I knew that this was going to be the way 780 00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:41,431 that the Internet was going to go. 781 00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:44,192 I've had offers to do a show for Netflix, or for Amazon 782 00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:46,953 or cable TV, or whatever. I always declined them. 783 00:38:47,091 --> 00:38:49,611 Because I don't really see why 784 00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:52,373 I would give up my own creative control, 785 00:38:52,511 --> 00:38:56,860 and this, like, child that I've raised, basically. 786 00:38:56,998 --> 00:38:58,965 you know, I want to keep it. 787 00:38:59,103 --> 00:39:00,864 [saw buzzing] 788 00:39:02,003 --> 00:39:05,834 [Susan] We're a platform that enables creators 789 00:39:05,972 --> 00:39:07,664 who are really next generation media companies. 790 00:39:07,802 --> 00:39:09,424 Welcome back to my channel, everyone. 791 00:39:09,562 --> 00:39:11,392 Today I wanna show you guys some life hacks. Now, before... 792 00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:13,601 [Susan] We've seen so many people take their passions, 793 00:39:13,739 --> 00:39:15,188 whether it's about cooking, 794 00:39:15,326 --> 00:39:17,190 woodworking, music, 795 00:39:17,812 --> 00:39:20,193 and turn that into a business and become a creator 796 00:39:20,331 --> 00:39:23,162 and become a global media company on YouTube. 797 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,958 Hello. Hi. How's it going? 798 00:39:26,096 --> 00:39:29,755 I finally got it. I got the 10 million subscriber plaque 799 00:39:29,893 --> 00:39:32,551 But this is special because it represents, like, 800 00:39:32,689 --> 00:39:35,070 how far we have come as a community, 801 00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:38,902 and it represents, you know, how much we have accomplished. 802 00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,871 [birds chirping] 803 00:39:44,286 --> 00:39:47,945 [Brianna Wu] What I thought was so amazing about YouTube when it first came out 804 00:39:48,083 --> 00:39:50,948 is it really allowed this hyper-segmentation. 805 00:39:51,535 --> 00:39:55,884 So if you were a gamer that wanted to understand tricks 806 00:39:56,022 --> 00:40:00,441 from an obscure Japanese game from 20 years ago, 807 00:40:00,579 --> 00:40:02,443 [upbeat music] 808 00:40:02,581 --> 00:40:04,962 boom, that exists out there. 809 00:40:05,722 --> 00:40:08,207 [upbeat music continues] 810 00:40:09,139 --> 00:40:13,626 And it was just this massive explosion. 811 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,734 But I think for me, obviously Gamergate was 812 00:40:17,872 --> 00:40:22,221 when I really realized something was going off course. 813 00:40:22,773 --> 00:40:25,017 [dramatic music] 814 00:40:25,155 --> 00:40:28,917 I had just finished shipping my very first game. 815 00:40:29,055 --> 00:40:32,818 And, you know, getting into a political fight with the Internet 816 00:40:32,956 --> 00:40:34,889 was the last thing I wanted to do. 817 00:40:35,614 --> 00:40:40,273 But people on YouTube had started to come together in a way 818 00:40:40,411 --> 00:40:43,518 to silence women in the game industry 819 00:40:44,277 --> 00:40:47,695 that were starting to ask for more representation, 820 00:40:47,833 --> 00:40:52,078 asking to be higher, asking to be given more opportunity. 821 00:40:52,216 --> 00:40:54,080 [gentle music] 822 00:40:54,356 --> 00:40:57,532 It started out with this kind of Tumblr-style 823 00:40:57,670 --> 00:41:00,086 call-out post about Zoeรซ Quinn. 824 00:41:00,224 --> 00:41:02,157 [Natalie] I guess her ex-boyfriend accused her 825 00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,884 of sleeping with journalists and cheating on him. 826 00:41:05,022 --> 00:41:07,197 And I started to speak out against it. 827 00:41:07,335 --> 00:41:09,717 [calm music] 828 00:41:09,958 --> 00:41:11,615 I was sitting at my home one day, 829 00:41:11,753 --> 00:41:14,376 and I get this really credible 830 00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:18,070 list of death threats that went mega viral on the Internet, 831 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:20,486 and they are burned into my brain. 832 00:41:20,624 --> 00:41:22,592 [gasps] 833 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,905 "Guess what, bitch, I know where you and your husband live." 834 00:41:26,043 --> 00:41:29,840 They give my address. "You're going to die tonight." 835 00:41:29,978 --> 00:41:33,326 "I'm going to rape you with your husband's 836 00:41:33,464 --> 00:41:35,743 tiny Asian penis until you bleed." 837 00:41:36,053 --> 00:41:38,677 "If you have any children, they're going to die, too." 838 00:41:38,815 --> 00:41:44,096 That was the moment that I decided I wasn't safe at my home. 839 00:41:44,234 --> 00:41:48,652 And I left, and I got the police and the FBI involved. 840 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:53,657 Brianna Wu is a games developer who says she was forced 841 00:41:53,899 --> 00:41:58,420 to leave her home over the weekend after receiving targeted threats. 842 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,353 She joins me now from Boston. 843 00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:02,459 [Zoeรซ] Instantly, they dived in to, 844 00:42:02,597 --> 00:42:05,773 "Find where she lives. Find where all these people live. 845 00:42:05,911 --> 00:42:07,222 What are we going to do about her? 846 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,466 Can we hack her e-mail?" Like, instantly? 847 00:42:09,604 --> 00:42:11,157 [mouse clicks] 848 00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:13,988 And then all of these accounts started being made 849 00:42:14,126 --> 00:42:18,268 to talk about really disgusting personal details 850 00:42:18,406 --> 00:42:21,443 and talk about like, make really disgusting sexual comments. 851 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:26,794 And it's the first thing you lose is all perspective. 852 00:42:27,311 --> 00:42:29,797 [soft tense music] 853 00:42:30,314 --> 00:42:32,385 [Brianna] There was an organized effort 854 00:42:32,523 --> 00:42:36,976 to basically do SEO warfare, search engine warfare. 855 00:42:37,114 --> 00:42:38,633 You know this as well as I do. 856 00:42:38,771 --> 00:42:40,531 If I type your name into the Internet, 857 00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:44,121 a bunch of YouTube videos are going to be the first thing listed. 858 00:42:44,674 --> 00:42:46,572 So what Gamergate figured out 859 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:48,885 was that they could gain the SEO 860 00:42:49,437 --> 00:42:51,612 and start putting out these videos, you know, 861 00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:56,271 Brianna Wu is a terrible person for A, B, C, D, and E, 862 00:42:57,307 --> 00:42:59,447 and basically malign my name. 863 00:42:59,585 --> 00:43:03,969 YouTube was a major part of the harassment that I received. 864 00:43:05,108 --> 00:43:07,386 [seagulls squawking] 865 00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:09,526 [horns honking] 866 00:43:09,664 --> 00:43:11,459 [engine revving] 867 00:43:11,597 --> 00:43:13,426 [horns honking] 868 00:43:13,564 --> 00:43:15,601 [Carrie Goldberg] Yeah, I hear that a lot where people are like, 869 00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:18,811 "Listen, the Internet, it's just a mirror on society. 870 00:43:18,949 --> 00:43:21,434 And so why should we be focusing on fixing 871 00:43:21,572 --> 00:43:24,403 the Internet instead of on society? 872 00:43:25,611 --> 00:43:27,061 And the thing is, 873 00:43:27,475 --> 00:43:29,926 that, in my opinion, and my experience 874 00:43:30,064 --> 00:43:33,964 as a lawyer for people who've been fucked over by tech, 875 00:43:34,102 --> 00:43:37,105 is that it is itself the weapon. 876 00:43:37,243 --> 00:43:38,693 The Internet has created this, like, 877 00:43:38,831 --> 00:43:41,385 really convenient mechanism to harm. 878 00:43:41,523 --> 00:43:44,872 and the platforms are making, just like they're minting money off of it. 879 00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:48,565 And so I don't agree that it is just a reflection of society. 880 00:43:48,703 --> 00:43:50,394 It's changed society. 881 00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:55,192 [dramatic music] 882 00:43:57,885 --> 00:43:59,818 The thing about the algorithm is 883 00:43:59,956 --> 00:44:01,820 what they're recommending is a harm. 884 00:44:01,958 --> 00:44:05,133 Their lust for hijacking people's attention 885 00:44:05,271 --> 00:44:06,756 is an additional harm. 886 00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:10,173 The other issue of them publishing content 887 00:44:10,311 --> 00:44:13,866 that is itself harmful, that they're not removing. 888 00:44:14,004 --> 00:44:16,351 [Norah O'Donnell] We begin with breaking news in Virginia. 889 00:44:16,489 --> 00:44:19,665 A gunman opened fire during a live TV news interview. 890 00:44:19,803 --> 00:44:24,463 A reporter and photographer with our CBS affiliate WDBJ 891 00:44:24,601 --> 00:44:26,189 in Roanoke were killed. 892 00:44:26,396 --> 00:44:28,881 [male reporter] Andy Parker couldn't get video 893 00:44:29,019 --> 00:44:33,058 of his daughter's murder off of Google's YouTube. 894 00:44:34,991 --> 00:44:37,062 [soft tense music] 895 00:44:39,029 --> 00:44:41,273 [birds chirping] 896 00:44:42,515 --> 00:44:46,554 [Andy] I went to YouTube, typed in Alison Parker, 897 00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:50,316 and literally there were pages and pages and pages. 898 00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:55,045 There must have been 25 to 50 pages of, you know, 899 00:44:55,183 --> 00:44:57,703 thankfully it didn't autoplay, but you knew what it was. 900 00:44:57,841 --> 00:45:00,671 And in the titles of it, a lot of it was, 901 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:02,397 "See, the whole thing was fake." 902 00:45:02,535 --> 00:45:05,228 You know, it was, like, one thing after another. 903 00:45:06,194 --> 00:45:10,405 It's not like you can just call up Google customer service and go, 904 00:45:10,543 --> 00:45:12,580 "Hey, you know, I got a problem here." 905 00:45:12,718 --> 00:45:14,962 [soft tense music] 906 00:45:16,895 --> 00:45:18,931 [Susan] Well, we've invested a huge amount in the area of responsibility. 907 00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:22,763 We also have thousands of people who help us with the enforcement. 908 00:45:22,901 --> 00:45:26,974 We have machines that remove, you know, 909 00:45:27,112 --> 00:45:31,357 almost 90% of the videos before anyone has to see them. 910 00:45:31,495 --> 00:45:34,050 So we have a huge initiative across the board 911 00:45:34,188 --> 00:45:36,121 to make sure that we're staying current in terms 912 00:45:36,259 --> 00:45:40,056 of the creation of the policies as well as the enforcement 913 00:45:40,194 --> 00:45:41,712 of those policies to find those videos 914 00:45:41,851 --> 00:45:44,612 as quickly as possible, and make sure they're removed. 915 00:45:45,268 --> 00:45:49,824 If you need me to work on the op papers, 916 00:45:49,962 --> 00:45:51,653 I'm free and available. 917 00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:55,243 It just makes me feel like individuals don't stand a chance. 918 00:45:55,692 --> 00:45:57,004 You've got this like, 919 00:45:57,142 --> 00:45:59,006 multi-billion dollar company that's saying, 920 00:45:59,765 --> 00:46:01,663 you know, that's just like lording over, like, 921 00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:05,806 ownership of your dead daughter's murder video over you, 922 00:46:05,944 --> 00:46:09,464 that are saying, "We're not going to take it down because, 923 00:46:09,879 --> 00:46:12,640 you know, like, you aren't the copyright holder of it. 924 00:46:12,778 --> 00:46:16,817 And even though our terms of service says that we ban 925 00:46:16,955 --> 00:46:18,991 this kind of violent imagery, 926 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,132 we don't have the legal requirement 927 00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:23,893 to even enforce our terms of service. 928 00:46:24,031 --> 00:46:26,447 Like, you can't make us do anything." 929 00:46:27,172 --> 00:46:29,553 We have kind of a mantra of don't be evil, 930 00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:34,075 which is to do the best things that we know how for our users, 931 00:46:34,213 --> 00:46:36,767 for our customers and for everyone. 932 00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:39,046 And so, I think if we were known for that, 933 00:46:39,184 --> 00:46:40,875 it would be a wonderful thing. 934 00:46:42,704 --> 00:46:44,568 [Larry] When Google, the two founders said, 935 00:46:45,017 --> 00:46:46,985 "Our motto is don't be evil." 936 00:46:47,226 --> 00:46:48,503 And for a while they weren't. 937 00:46:48,641 --> 00:46:51,265 But now they are the personification of evil, 938 00:46:51,713 --> 00:46:53,198 and they don't care. 939 00:46:54,371 --> 00:46:56,373 You can flag this stuff, and then 940 00:46:56,511 --> 00:46:59,135 you can make that go away, but then something else will pop up. 941 00:46:59,583 --> 00:47:04,071 That's why I said we have to go after the great white whale, Google. 942 00:47:05,003 --> 00:47:08,178 [soft piano music] 943 00:47:11,388 --> 00:47:12,976 So YouTube likes to say 944 00:47:13,114 --> 00:47:16,255 it's a completely different company from Google. 945 00:47:16,877 --> 00:47:18,499 What's your opinion about that? 946 00:47:18,637 --> 00:47:21,157 My experience is the two have always been 947 00:47:21,295 --> 00:47:24,608 treated as synonymous in every interaction 948 00:47:24,746 --> 00:47:26,576 I've ever had at Google. 949 00:47:26,714 --> 00:47:29,268 I can tell you the impression I've gotten is that these products 950 00:47:29,406 --> 00:47:31,443 are kind of all under one umbrella. 951 00:47:31,581 --> 00:47:34,653 I realize it's more complicated than that when you get to, 952 00:47:34,791 --> 00:47:36,897 you know, product managers and who owns what, 953 00:47:37,035 --> 00:47:41,625 but, I personally don't find that excuse credible. 954 00:47:42,799 --> 00:47:44,559 [tense music] 955 00:47:45,215 --> 00:47:49,357 I think that Google has really been far ahead of the game 956 00:47:49,495 --> 00:47:52,429 from its competitors in terms of anticipating 957 00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:54,880 these legislative fights. 958 00:47:55,018 --> 00:47:56,986 [Alan Davidson] We've realized that we need to have a larger presence here, 959 00:47:57,124 --> 00:48:02,370 that the Internet is affecting a lot of how people live today. 960 00:48:02,508 --> 00:48:05,546 And we need, our industry needs to be here 961 00:48:05,684 --> 00:48:08,066 to help explain that to members of Congress. 962 00:48:08,894 --> 00:48:10,758 [Nitasha] You know, the company has spent more than a decade 963 00:48:10,896 --> 00:48:14,693 kind of cultivating politicians on the right, on the center. 964 00:48:14,831 --> 00:48:17,868 If you look at pretty much any policy decision where 965 00:48:18,007 --> 00:48:20,319 Google could potentially be impacted, you know, 966 00:48:20,457 --> 00:48:22,804 sometimes I think about it as like a big circle, 967 00:48:22,943 --> 00:48:24,875 and you know, you have the left and the right, 968 00:48:25,014 --> 00:48:26,705 and Google has given money 969 00:48:26,843 --> 00:48:30,122 to just everyone involved in the debates. [laughs] 970 00:48:30,743 --> 00:48:32,228 [Eric Schmidt] Google's mission is to connect the world, 971 00:48:32,366 --> 00:48:33,988 right, to get all that information out. 972 00:48:34,126 --> 00:48:37,612 We want a free open Internet for every citizen of the world. 973 00:48:38,717 --> 00:48:40,305 [somber music] 974 00:48:40,615 --> 00:48:42,928 [male] Leaders in government and tech want to rewrite 975 00:48:43,066 --> 00:48:44,792 a law that shapes the Internet. 976 00:48:45,655 --> 00:48:48,934 Why we're sitting here today, it's Section 230. 977 00:48:49,555 --> 00:48:51,178 Because there's only so much you can do. 978 00:48:51,316 --> 00:48:54,181 We filed a complaint with the FTC 979 00:48:54,664 --> 00:48:58,737 claiming that Google violates their own terms of service, 980 00:48:59,048 --> 00:49:00,739 which they do, and they don't care. 981 00:49:00,877 --> 00:49:02,948 [somber music] 982 00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:05,778 There's the Communications Decency Act, 983 00:49:05,916 --> 00:49:08,850 Section 230, which completely protects 984 00:49:08,989 --> 00:49:11,370 the websites, the search engines 985 00:49:11,508 --> 00:49:14,925 from any responsibility to users. 986 00:49:16,375 --> 00:49:21,587 When they talk about kind of maximizing speech on their platform, 987 00:49:21,725 --> 00:49:26,040 that also means maximizing monetizable content for them. 988 00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:27,869 With Section 230, 989 00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:30,217 what it means is that they can do that without 990 00:49:30,355 --> 00:49:33,634 any real legal responsibility for what happens on the platform. 991 00:49:35,774 --> 00:49:38,018 Section 230 has two key components. 992 00:49:38,156 --> 00:49:40,710 So, one of them is that it gives us, 993 00:49:40,848 --> 00:49:44,196 protection from liability from content that's posted on our platform. 994 00:49:44,334 --> 00:49:47,993 But the second is that it enables us also to remove content 995 00:49:48,131 --> 00:49:50,271 that could be harmful to our community. 996 00:49:51,755 --> 00:49:54,482 But I think now, 20 plus years on, 997 00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:56,933 we have to look at 230 and say, "Look, guys, 998 00:49:57,071 --> 00:50:00,281 230 made sense when you thought about 999 00:50:00,419 --> 00:50:02,594 platforms as neutral platforms." 1000 00:50:03,077 --> 00:50:06,046 [man] Listen, Operator, it's a very private call. 1001 00:50:06,184 --> 00:50:07,909 Now, you're not going to be listening, are you? 1002 00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:10,429 [operator] Well, I won't even be on the line. Just... 1003 00:50:10,567 --> 00:50:13,018 [man] You're going to get off the line as soon as I get the party, right? 1004 00:50:13,156 --> 00:50:15,158 - Right. There will be no one on the line. - Okay. 1005 00:50:15,745 --> 00:50:17,609 [Hany] It's like the wire on the telephone, right? 1006 00:50:17,747 --> 00:50:19,438 I'm just creating a mechanism for people to communicate. 1007 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,164 If they're planning to commit a crime, 1008 00:50:21,302 --> 00:50:23,166 you can't hold AT&T responsible. 1009 00:50:23,304 --> 00:50:24,857 Well, sure, that makes sense. 1010 00:50:25,548 --> 00:50:27,584 But that's not what social media is anymore, 1011 00:50:27,722 --> 00:50:30,070 and it hasn't been for a really long time. 1012 00:50:30,484 --> 00:50:33,314 They are not a neutral arbiter 1013 00:50:33,452 --> 00:50:36,766 of the material that is uploaded to their sites. 1014 00:50:36,904 --> 00:50:39,217 They pick and choose the winners and the losers 1015 00:50:39,355 --> 00:50:40,977 through the recommendation algorithms. 1016 00:50:41,805 --> 00:50:43,531 Yeah, it raises a lot of questions like 1017 00:50:43,669 --> 00:50:46,120 is kicking someone off Twitter censorship? 1018 00:50:48,191 --> 00:50:51,505 Are we okay with that? Like, I think that, you know, 1019 00:50:52,195 --> 00:50:54,128 a kind of obvious response is to say that, 1020 00:50:54,266 --> 00:50:58,684 "No, the First Amendment protects speech, protects from the government, 1021 00:50:58,995 --> 00:51:03,724 doesn't give corporations an obligation to host your content." 1022 00:51:03,862 --> 00:51:08,901 If there is no Section 230, there is no free speech, period. 1023 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,078 I think we need to be tremendously skeptical 1024 00:51:13,389 --> 00:51:15,874 and careful in tearing this up, 1025 00:51:16,012 --> 00:51:18,532 because it is the foundation of the Internet. 1026 00:51:19,257 --> 00:51:22,915 That said, I do think that we can look at amending it 1027 00:51:23,157 --> 00:51:26,367 and changing it and updating it in different ways. 1028 00:51:27,748 --> 00:51:31,269 [Carrie] They don't see us as important, we're not their actual customers. 1029 00:51:31,407 --> 00:51:33,409 We're just their money makers. 1030 00:51:33,547 --> 00:51:36,515 They advertise at us. They collect our data. 1031 00:51:36,722 --> 00:51:39,553 If there's content that we want down 1032 00:51:39,691 --> 00:51:41,417 because we own the copyright as an individual, 1033 00:51:41,555 --> 00:51:43,453 that is not meaningful to them. 1034 00:51:44,696 --> 00:51:47,768 This week, I got myself a death threat. 1035 00:51:47,906 --> 00:51:50,667 This is messed up stuff that people are saying, 1036 00:51:50,805 --> 00:51:52,980 [sobs] Like, people telling me to hang myself, 1037 00:51:53,118 --> 00:51:55,983 people just, like, blatantly disrespecting the fact that 1038 00:51:56,121 --> 00:51:59,987 I'm still a human being is not okay at all. [sobs] 1039 00:52:00,401 --> 00:52:02,334 I'm kind of simplistic in this, 1040 00:52:02,472 --> 00:52:05,579 it all goes back to us having the right 1041 00:52:05,717 --> 00:52:07,857 to sue if we're injured. Because most people, 1042 00:52:07,995 --> 00:52:10,860 like, most of the time on these websites, 1043 00:52:10,998 --> 00:52:12,793 are not injured. 1044 00:52:12,931 --> 00:52:14,312 When I told him to leave me alone and asked if he had a knife, 1045 00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:16,106 he didn't respond. And when I... 1046 00:52:16,245 --> 00:52:18,626 [Carrie] But the rare occasion when somebody is, 1047 00:52:18,764 --> 00:52:21,008 which on scale is a lot of people... 1048 00:52:21,146 --> 00:52:24,391 You are an ugly, untalented, fat [bleep] [laughs] 1049 00:52:24,977 --> 00:52:27,325 [Carrie] ...we need to be able to hold them responsible. 1050 00:52:27,842 --> 00:52:33,434 The algorithm, it really fostered this community of videos that 1051 00:52:33,814 --> 00:52:37,335 people would kind of love to watch because they loved 1052 00:52:37,473 --> 00:52:38,922 to hate the thing that was in there. 1053 00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:41,373 They'd be like, "Yeah, that person fucking sucks." 1054 00:52:41,511 --> 00:52:44,273 And I think it's time we take a look at what canceling really is. 1055 00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:47,655 I am so used to reading mean things about myself online. 1056 00:52:47,793 --> 00:52:52,142 Most of you probably can't even begin to imagine how used to it I am. 1057 00:52:52,281 --> 00:52:54,144 [gong clangs] 1058 00:52:54,283 --> 00:52:58,425 It was just kind of driving this community of, like, pent up rage. 1059 00:52:59,288 --> 00:53:02,739 [music building] 1060 00:53:05,294 --> 00:53:07,986 [somber music] 1061 00:53:12,266 --> 00:53:14,544 [music continues] 1062 00:53:15,856 --> 00:53:17,823 [man] So YouTube has set up spaces 1063 00:53:17,961 --> 00:53:20,170 around the world where YouTube creators can go 1064 00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:22,345 and create their own videos. 1065 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:24,761 [Susan] We're a video-first platform 1066 00:53:24,899 --> 00:53:27,074 and everything we do is about video 1067 00:53:27,212 --> 00:53:30,491 enabling new content creators to come onto 1068 00:53:30,629 --> 00:53:32,390 the platform and to be successful. 1069 00:53:32,528 --> 00:53:35,703 And so I expect us to continue to really focus on the video. 1070 00:53:35,841 --> 00:53:37,395 I think technology will, of course, 1071 00:53:37,533 --> 00:53:39,569 will continue to change how we communicate 1072 00:53:39,707 --> 00:53:41,571 and the content that we see. 1073 00:53:41,709 --> 00:53:44,712 But YouTube will stay focused on video. 1074 00:53:46,024 --> 00:53:49,061 [mouse clicks] 1075 00:53:50,373 --> 00:53:53,273 [Anthony] They want growth. Growth. Growth. Everything's about growth. 1076 00:53:54,066 --> 00:53:56,241 There's so much content on YouTube right now 1077 00:53:56,379 --> 00:53:59,071 that it's completely overwhelming to ever seek stuff out. 1078 00:53:59,209 --> 00:54:01,211 You're not just going into a search bar looking for things, 1079 00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:04,042 you're clicking on what's being presented to you. 1080 00:54:05,319 --> 00:54:07,908 So I think that YouTube is going to have to get to a point 1081 00:54:08,046 --> 00:54:10,290 where they make people feel safe to be on the platform. 1082 00:54:10,911 --> 00:54:13,327 But then also, they're having to tread 1083 00:54:13,465 --> 00:54:16,779 really murky territory where they can't be kind of, like, 1084 00:54:16,917 --> 00:54:19,713 the arbiters of truth in the sense that they choose 1085 00:54:19,851 --> 00:54:21,715 what is to be believed. 1086 00:54:22,509 --> 00:54:24,890 [crowd cheering] 1087 00:54:27,928 --> 00:54:29,930 [crowd cheering] 1088 00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:34,486 I'm going to fight to bring us all together as Americans. 1089 00:54:34,624 --> 00:54:36,316 We're living in a divided country, 1090 00:54:36,454 --> 00:54:37,593 it's not going to be divided. 1091 00:54:37,731 --> 00:54:39,319 We're going to love everybody 1092 00:54:39,457 --> 00:54:41,148 like we love the people in this room. 1093 00:54:42,356 --> 00:54:45,117 Specifically, YouTube, the algorithm was really rewarding 1094 00:54:45,255 --> 00:54:48,569 the stuff that would get people up in arms and feeling 1095 00:54:48,707 --> 00:54:51,607 like they had to fight against something for a cause. 1096 00:54:52,504 --> 00:54:56,508 America was built by and for 1097 00:54:56,646 --> 00:54:59,200 the white Christian people of this nation. 1098 00:54:59,339 --> 00:55:00,892 [crowd screaming] 1099 00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:03,791 [Anthony] And politically, that was a huge drive. 1100 00:55:03,929 --> 00:55:06,104 I know that having what felt 1101 00:55:06,242 --> 00:55:09,625 like good versus evil, really gave people a reason 1102 00:55:09,763 --> 00:55:12,213 to keep clicking on more and more of those videos. 1103 00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:15,769 So leading up to the 2016 election. 1104 00:55:16,286 --> 00:55:19,186 [male reporter] Donald Trump will be the 45th 1105 00:55:19,324 --> 00:55:21,568 President of the United States. 1106 00:55:21,706 --> 00:55:23,570 [man] We have to get better at listening to each other, 1107 00:55:23,708 --> 00:55:26,814 and challenging each other constructively and generously. 1108 00:55:26,952 --> 00:55:28,644 But I worry that the very architecture 1109 00:55:28,782 --> 00:55:31,232 of the social Internet might make that impossible. 1110 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:33,959 [male reporter] In the week or so since the election, 1111 00:55:34,097 --> 00:55:37,100 there has been mounting criticism of whether web giants 1112 00:55:37,238 --> 00:55:40,863 like Facebook and Google used enough discretion 1113 00:55:41,001 --> 00:55:44,867 and editorial responsibility in screening out fake news sites. 1114 00:55:46,834 --> 00:55:48,560 Comet pizza. Here we go. 1115 00:55:48,698 --> 00:55:50,769 [male reporter] According to police, 1116 00:55:50,907 --> 00:55:53,496 Welch said that he had read online that the Comet Ping Pong restaurant 1117 00:55:53,634 --> 00:55:55,222 was harboring child sex slaves. 1118 00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,952 Tell me why this pizza place isn't even open at noon. 1119 00:56:01,090 --> 00:56:03,195 [gentle music] 1120 00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:05,888 [male reporter] DC police say Welch fired at least one round 1121 00:56:06,026 --> 00:56:09,961 into the restaurant floor with an AR-15 rifle like this one. 1122 00:56:10,686 --> 00:56:13,620 [emotional music] 1123 00:56:14,344 --> 00:56:16,795 [music continues] 1124 00:56:17,796 --> 00:56:19,280 [Dave Lauer] There must not be a tipping point 1125 00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:22,145 because there is no doubt that YouTube bore 1126 00:56:22,283 --> 00:56:26,909 a huge responsibility for the spread of misinformation in 2016. 1127 00:56:27,047 --> 00:56:30,050 [Paul Joseph Watson] One expert told me that Hillary has 1128 00:56:30,188 --> 00:56:33,916 high functioning autism with attendant sociopathy. 1129 00:56:34,054 --> 00:56:35,538 [crowd screaming] 1130 00:56:35,814 --> 00:56:39,093 [Dave] Now we're in the sort of misinformation apocalypse. 1131 00:56:39,818 --> 00:56:43,132 [chanting angrily] 1132 00:56:44,858 --> 00:56:46,584 I think there's blame on both sides. 1133 00:56:46,722 --> 00:56:48,137 [crowd yelling] 1134 00:56:48,275 --> 00:56:50,967 What started off as this niche field 1135 00:56:51,105 --> 00:56:54,177 in the burgeoning digital revolution, turned into the, 1136 00:56:54,315 --> 00:56:59,907 "Crap, everything I read, see, hear online is now suspect." 1137 00:57:00,045 --> 00:57:01,771 Everything we're seeing in the news right now 1138 00:57:01,909 --> 00:57:04,602 is just insane, fake news garbage. 1139 00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:06,811 If the Proud Boys are left alone 1140 00:57:06,949 --> 00:57:08,571 to do their thing, they wave little American flags, 1141 00:57:08,709 --> 00:57:11,091 and then go to the bar to have a drink, and nothing happens. 1142 00:57:11,229 --> 00:57:13,852 -You are fake news. Go ahead. -[Reporter] Sir, can you... 1143 00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:16,061 [Brianna] There were people at YouTube 1144 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,100 that were aware that the tools that they built were being misused. 1145 00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:23,275 So they started to put together 1146 00:57:23,724 --> 00:57:25,692 basically task forces, 1147 00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:29,454 looking at the problem, talking to women like me, 1148 00:57:29,592 --> 00:57:32,802 getting our experiences and doing what Google does, 1149 00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:36,634 which is talking to experts and trying to come up with concrete, 1150 00:57:36,772 --> 00:57:41,155 realistic things they can implement to solve the problem. 1151 00:57:42,329 --> 00:57:44,918 Unfortunately, despite participating 1152 00:57:45,056 --> 00:57:47,023 in three of these task forces, 1153 00:57:47,161 --> 00:57:49,509 none of them were successful in getting 1154 00:57:49,647 --> 00:57:51,545 Google to change their policy. 1155 00:57:52,753 --> 00:57:54,237 My name's Anthony Padilla, 1156 00:57:54,375 --> 00:57:56,446 and today I'll be spending a day with Susan Wojcicki, 1157 00:57:56,585 --> 00:57:58,103 the CEO of YouTube, 1158 00:57:58,241 --> 00:58:00,312 who began as one of Google's first employees. 1159 00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:02,625 If there's anyone in the comments right now angrily 1160 00:58:02,763 --> 00:58:05,317 claiming that you, Susan, are the key reason 1161 00:58:05,455 --> 00:58:07,388 that YouTube isn't the way they wish it were, 1162 00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:09,183 what would you say to them? 1163 00:58:09,321 --> 00:58:11,945 It's much more complicated. [laughs] It's not just me. 1164 00:58:12,083 --> 00:58:13,291 You're not going to blame someone else? 1165 00:58:13,429 --> 00:58:14,879 [both laugh] 1166 00:58:15,017 --> 00:58:16,915 I'll take ultimately responsibility for everything. 1167 00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:19,021 But it has to do with the fact 1168 00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:22,542 that these issues are much more complex than people understand, 1169 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,751 that maybe the changes that we implemented, 1170 00:58:24,889 --> 00:58:27,892 for example, are due to regulation or they're due because 1171 00:58:28,030 --> 00:58:30,515 these changes we've done will enable more advertisers 1172 00:58:30,653 --> 00:58:32,482 to come and spend more revenue 1173 00:58:32,621 --> 00:58:34,588 with YouTube creators. 1174 00:58:34,726 --> 00:58:36,763 I haven't been there for 1175 00:58:37,626 --> 00:58:39,213 close to a decade now. 1176 00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:42,182 But I still think that the decisions that 1177 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,427 they make are often prioritized by what the end user wants, 1178 00:58:46,566 --> 00:58:49,603 not necessarily by, you know, quarterly earnings, 1179 00:58:49,741 --> 00:58:52,606 or quarterly, financial side of things. 1180 00:58:53,469 --> 00:58:56,506 If they wanted to, there's a lot of opportunity 1181 00:58:56,645 --> 00:58:58,198 to be able to monetize, 1182 00:58:58,336 --> 00:59:01,615 but it would be at the cost of the end user experience. 1183 00:59:05,101 --> 00:59:08,070 They are obligated to maximize shareholder value. 1184 00:59:08,346 --> 00:59:10,417 If they don't do that, they are exposed 1185 00:59:10,555 --> 00:59:11,832 to liability and lawsuits. 1186 00:59:12,143 --> 00:59:14,352 When that's your incentive 1187 00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:17,873 and you don't have liability for the content on your system, 1188 00:59:18,252 --> 00:59:20,772 it leads to some very perverse incentives, 1189 00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:24,120 such as building machine learning systems 1190 00:59:24,258 --> 00:59:26,536 and algorithms that attempt 1191 00:59:26,675 --> 00:59:30,713 to capture people's attention, addict them to content 1192 00:59:30,851 --> 00:59:32,335 and keep them on your site, 1193 00:59:32,473 --> 00:59:34,821 so that you can show them more advertising, 1194 00:59:34,959 --> 00:59:36,685 because that's how you make your money. 1195 00:59:37,996 --> 00:59:40,171 Well, I would just disagree with that point of view. 1196 00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:42,173 And the reason I would is because 1197 00:59:42,311 --> 00:59:46,177 when there is any kind of harmful misinformation, 1198 00:59:46,315 --> 00:59:48,386 that is bad for us and bad for our business 1199 00:59:48,524 --> 00:59:51,423 and bad for us financially and doesn't work with our business model. 1200 00:59:51,561 --> 00:59:54,254 We are an advertising supported platform, 1201 00:59:54,392 --> 00:59:57,809 so no advertiser is going to want to be on that type of content. 1202 00:59:58,396 --> 01:00:00,812 And we have seen advertisers pull back their spend 1203 01:00:01,088 --> 01:00:03,781 when they see that we're not managing our platform 1204 01:00:03,919 --> 01:00:06,266 to keep our users and community safe. 1205 01:00:06,404 --> 01:00:10,063 That reason, along with wanting to be on the right side of history, 1206 01:00:10,201 --> 01:00:11,754 wanting to do the right thing from a brand, 1207 01:00:11,892 --> 01:00:13,929 from a PR, from our employee standpoint, 1208 01:00:14,067 --> 01:00:16,828 from just thinking about what's the right thing to do 1209 01:00:16,966 --> 01:00:18,830 for our users in our communities. 1210 01:00:19,555 --> 01:00:22,282 [upbeat music] 1211 01:00:24,422 --> 01:00:27,425 [applause] 1212 01:00:28,702 --> 01:00:30,462 [Robert Kyncl] Digital video is exploding. 1213 01:00:30,911 --> 01:00:32,948 Already the youngest millennials are watching 1214 01:00:33,086 --> 01:00:35,571 more digital video than TV. 1215 01:00:36,123 --> 01:00:39,437 And in fact, it has overtaken social media 1216 01:00:39,713 --> 01:00:41,922 as the top online activity. 1217 01:00:42,509 --> 01:00:45,063 If you were to ask college students, 1218 01:00:45,201 --> 01:00:47,721 "What do you wanna bring when you have a small dormitory? 1219 01:00:47,859 --> 01:00:50,344 Do you want to bring a sort of a laptop 1220 01:00:50,759 --> 01:00:52,036 that you can watch YouTube, 1221 01:00:52,174 --> 01:00:55,073 or do you want to bring a plasma TV?" 1222 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:58,180 It's always going to be the laptop 1223 01:00:58,318 --> 01:01:00,734 with how many things that you can do with it. 1224 01:01:01,804 --> 01:01:03,979 [calm music] 1225 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:09,881 [waves crashing] 1226 01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:14,990 [Ryan Kaji] It started when I was three. 1227 01:01:15,128 --> 01:01:17,164 I was seeing a lot of other people on YouTube 1228 01:01:17,302 --> 01:01:19,201 and I wanted to be on YouTube too. 1229 01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:20,961 [kids yelling] 1230 01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:24,240 So I asked my mom and she said yes. 1231 01:01:24,378 --> 01:01:27,002 [Loan Kaji] Okay, Ryan, are you ready to find the egg surprise? 1232 01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:28,728 Ready? Go, go, go. 1233 01:01:29,211 --> 01:01:30,764 [Jared Reed] This kid, Ryan, who's on the top 1234 01:01:30,902 --> 01:01:35,320 of the Forbes list, he earned $22 million this year. 1235 01:01:35,804 --> 01:01:38,047 -[Loan] Whoa! -Whoa. 1236 01:01:38,185 --> 01:01:41,602 [reporter] He has more than 12 billion views on his YouTube page. 1237 01:01:41,741 --> 01:01:43,363 If you have children, you know him. 1238 01:01:44,122 --> 01:01:45,399 -[Loan] Ryan? -What? 1239 01:01:45,537 --> 01:01:47,160 -I have a surprise for you. -What? 1240 01:01:47,367 --> 01:01:49,852 -Look, look over here. -Whoa! 1241 01:01:50,508 --> 01:01:52,648 [Loan] And you don't need much to get started on YouTube. 1242 01:01:52,786 --> 01:01:55,996 I started filming with just my phone. 1243 01:01:56,134 --> 01:01:57,653 -Hi Ryan! -Hi Mommy. 1244 01:01:58,033 --> 01:02:00,069 And I still use it to this day. 1245 01:02:00,311 --> 01:02:03,383 And, you know, when I started to do more research, 1246 01:02:03,797 --> 01:02:06,731 I didn't even know, like, what is a green screen 1247 01:02:06,869 --> 01:02:08,043 when I started doing research. 1248 01:02:08,181 --> 01:02:09,941 We couldn't afford a green screen. 1249 01:02:11,391 --> 01:02:15,222 We just happened to have a tablecloth that was green. 1250 01:02:15,671 --> 01:02:18,018 And we're like, "Hey, we can make this work." 1251 01:02:18,156 --> 01:02:20,089 And that's what we use. 1252 01:02:21,781 --> 01:02:23,403 [Shion Kaji] Definitely after four months, we started the channel, 1253 01:02:23,541 --> 01:02:25,888 we started seeing the tipping point in the viewership. 1254 01:02:26,026 --> 01:02:28,649 We started seeing views from, 1255 01:02:28,788 --> 01:02:31,929 India, East Asia, all around the world. 1256 01:02:32,067 --> 01:02:33,620 Okay, guys, let's open up 1257 01:02:33,758 --> 01:02:36,312 the Ryan's World World Tour Globe. 1258 01:02:37,417 --> 01:02:39,695 [Shion] Around the same time, we started our own channel 1259 01:02:39,833 --> 01:02:41,973 and I think that timing really matched so well. 1260 01:02:42,249 --> 01:02:44,493 Which one? Which one? The purple one? 1261 01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,566 Are you sure you can do this? Oh, good job! 1262 01:02:48,704 --> 01:02:50,568 [Loan] The most important thing we tried 1263 01:02:50,706 --> 01:02:53,191 is just to make sure that he still has time being a kid. 1264 01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:56,608 And make sure that even though yes, 1265 01:02:56,746 --> 01:02:59,508 he's well known around the world, 1266 01:02:59,888 --> 01:03:03,201 to me personally, I don't think he notices it that much 1267 01:03:03,339 --> 01:03:06,756 because, again, we really try to keep him grounded 1268 01:03:06,895 --> 01:03:09,794 and really try to make sure that YouTube 1269 01:03:09,932 --> 01:03:12,901 is not the essential part of who he is. 1270 01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,351 [all yelling] 1271 01:03:15,489 --> 01:03:17,457 [child giggling] 1272 01:03:17,595 --> 01:03:19,666 [whimsical music] 1273 01:03:20,632 --> 01:03:23,773 There was this offering that YouTube had called YouTube Kids, 1274 01:03:23,912 --> 01:03:27,743 and in 2017 it had 11 million weekly viewers, 1275 01:03:27,881 --> 01:03:29,227 which is just a huge number. 1276 01:03:30,539 --> 01:03:32,403 Wow! 1277 01:03:33,611 --> 01:03:36,476 [Dave] Now, it was really maybe a couple years later 1278 01:03:36,614 --> 01:03:39,893 that it came out that there was this effort 1279 01:03:40,031 --> 01:03:45,243 by content producers to use YouTube and YouTube Kids 1280 01:03:45,381 --> 01:03:49,247 to basically generate content that would 1281 01:03:49,385 --> 01:03:52,561 leverage what they knew about the algorithm 1282 01:03:52,906 --> 01:03:55,598 so that it would be recommended to children. 1283 01:04:00,189 --> 01:04:02,226 There were videos that were frightening 1284 01:04:02,364 --> 01:04:04,435 and traumatizing children, that depicted abuse. 1285 01:04:04,573 --> 01:04:06,920 They were hijacking Disney characters 1286 01:04:07,058 --> 01:04:10,337 orPaw Patrol and showing them being stabbed 1287 01:04:10,475 --> 01:04:14,790 or hit by cars or killed or committing suicide. 1288 01:04:14,928 --> 01:04:19,484 And all of these videos were being promoted to children. 1289 01:04:21,486 --> 01:04:26,077 So it was really a disturbing phenomenon and really just goes 1290 01:04:26,215 --> 01:04:31,980 to show how dangerous this kind of technology can be. 1291 01:04:32,428 --> 01:04:34,706 It really gets into this idea 1292 01:04:34,844 --> 01:04:37,847 that when you codify something like that into a recommendation algorithm, 1293 01:04:38,227 --> 01:04:39,988 results end up being dominated 1294 01:04:40,126 --> 01:04:42,887 by particular behaviors and especially those behaviors 1295 01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:45,131 that make YouTube the most money. 1296 01:04:46,442 --> 01:04:47,650 [Shion] I guess the biggest challenge 1297 01:04:47,788 --> 01:04:50,688 of the parents and of the producers too, 1298 01:04:50,826 --> 01:04:53,070 is the kids influencer business 1299 01:04:53,208 --> 01:04:55,693 is still untouched territory. 1300 01:04:55,831 --> 01:04:57,315 It's still very new. 1301 01:04:57,591 --> 01:05:00,594 You know, the regulation is still not 100% perfect. 1302 01:05:01,043 --> 01:05:02,493 There are many things that we have to figure out 1303 01:05:02,631 --> 01:05:04,184 as we go and then make sure 1304 01:05:04,322 --> 01:05:06,083 it's a safe place for kids. 1305 01:05:07,015 --> 01:05:09,155 [Dave] There was this weird thing where, like, 1306 01:05:09,293 --> 01:05:14,367 this scary character was just popping up in kids' videos. 1307 01:05:15,851 --> 01:05:17,991 A terrifying video that targets your kids. 1308 01:05:18,129 --> 01:05:21,961 The online challenge encouraging children to kill themselves. 1309 01:05:22,892 --> 01:05:25,447 [Dave] You know, that was something that happened after YouTube 1310 01:05:25,585 --> 01:05:28,519 had supposedly gone in and fixed the problem. 1311 01:05:30,003 --> 01:05:31,660 When we talk about the YouTube 1312 01:05:31,798 --> 01:05:33,938 recommendation algorithm, that's just a great example 1313 01:05:34,076 --> 01:05:37,977 of something where the focus on fixing a system 1314 01:05:38,115 --> 01:05:39,909 for recommending content, 1315 01:05:40,048 --> 01:05:41,704 if we can just figure out 1316 01:05:41,842 --> 01:05:44,880 that right piece of technology, everything will get fixed. 1317 01:05:45,018 --> 01:05:48,159 And that's a very Silicon Valley way of approaching things. 1318 01:05:48,297 --> 01:05:49,885 And I don't think it's the right one 1319 01:05:50,023 --> 01:05:52,681 because these are not technology problems. 1320 01:05:52,819 --> 01:05:55,787 These are far broader problems. 1321 01:05:58,307 --> 01:06:00,896 Even putting up a stoplight at an intersection, 1322 01:06:01,034 --> 01:06:02,794 It only gets made when there's like 1323 01:06:02,932 --> 01:06:05,314 a certain amount of deaths or something or enough people complain 1324 01:06:05,452 --> 01:06:08,904 and people are only complaining when there's a reason to complain. 1325 01:06:09,146 --> 01:06:10,975 And it's kind of like that here. I don't, 1326 01:06:11,113 --> 01:06:12,494 It's kind of dangerous 1327 01:06:12,632 --> 01:06:14,668 how we are just waiting for there to be enough 1328 01:06:14,806 --> 01:06:19,018 of these digital car crashes in this digital intersection 1329 01:06:19,156 --> 01:06:20,571 with no stoplight. 1330 01:06:22,883 --> 01:06:26,577 [slow music playing] 1331 01:06:35,586 --> 01:06:37,346 [sirens blaring] 1332 01:06:37,484 --> 01:06:39,797 [reporter] Injured people are rushed to hospital. 1333 01:06:39,935 --> 01:06:43,249 They were gunned down during Friday prayers at Al Noor Mosque 1334 01:06:43,387 --> 01:06:45,423 in the center of Christchurch. 1335 01:06:45,561 --> 01:06:48,564 [reporter 2] Police confirm the gunman was livestreaming the killings 1336 01:06:48,702 --> 01:06:50,773 at one mosque on social media. 1337 01:06:50,911 --> 01:06:53,224 [woman] It was the most devastating... 1338 01:06:53,362 --> 01:06:56,917 [singing "Imagine"] 1339 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,127 In December of 2020, 1340 01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:04,097 the New Zealand government released the results of this research 1341 01:07:04,235 --> 01:07:09,620 that they had done into the shooter and his radicalization process, 1342 01:07:09,758 --> 01:07:14,211 and they found that he had donated money 1343 01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:16,903 to a series of YouTubers. 1344 01:07:17,041 --> 01:07:21,390 He basically spoke about being radicalized on YouTube. 1345 01:07:21,528 --> 01:07:24,013 It wasn't in these, we like to talk about 1346 01:07:24,152 --> 01:07:26,568 the deep, dark corners of the Internet. 1347 01:07:27,948 --> 01:07:30,468 You know, it conjures up these scary images 1348 01:07:30,606 --> 01:07:33,022 of the dark web and all of these things. 1349 01:07:33,161 --> 01:07:34,990 But this was actually right out in the open, 1350 01:07:35,128 --> 01:07:37,061 you know, right on YouTube 1351 01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:38,925 is where he got radicalized. 1352 01:07:39,063 --> 01:07:45,242 We bring our ideas to you. Our ideas have power. 1353 01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:47,796 Our time has come. 1354 01:07:47,934 --> 01:07:50,695 There is nothing that can stop an idea 1355 01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:52,041 whose time has come. 1356 01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:53,905 And that time is now. 1357 01:07:54,285 --> 01:07:56,632 [applause] 1358 01:07:56,770 --> 01:08:00,602 [slow music] 1359 01:08:02,155 --> 01:08:05,296 [Caleb] That shooting, it really disturbed me. 1360 01:08:05,434 --> 01:08:07,195 And I, you know, 1361 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:10,301 I realized in that moment that this ideology would literally 1362 01:08:10,439 --> 01:08:13,132 kill my friends, you know? 1363 01:08:14,547 --> 01:08:16,445 And so, yeah, I had to make a change. 1364 01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,588 I had two individuals message me and they said, 1365 01:08:22,175 --> 01:08:24,660 "Hi, I'm not going to tell you who I am, 1366 01:08:24,798 --> 01:08:27,732 but I'm inside all the far right chats 1367 01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:30,287 and they're pissed off at you 1368 01:08:30,425 --> 01:08:31,805 and they've got your address." 1369 01:08:31,943 --> 01:08:33,807 And then he posted my address and I was like, 1370 01:08:33,945 --> 01:08:35,568 "Why are you telling me all this?" 1371 01:08:35,706 --> 01:08:39,261 And he said, "Because, man, you're a fucking cuck. 1372 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:40,918 But what they're saying, 1373 01:08:41,056 --> 01:08:43,438 what they're talking about doing to you is fucked up." 1374 01:08:45,302 --> 01:08:47,959 I think what YouTube needs to do is they need to have very clear terms 1375 01:08:48,097 --> 01:08:50,997 of service on their websites of what's acceptable and what isn't. 1376 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:53,033 You know, I am a free speech advocate, 1377 01:08:53,172 --> 01:08:56,416 but what I saw on the platform was people 1378 01:08:56,554 --> 01:08:58,211 taking advantage of this algorithm. 1379 01:08:58,349 --> 01:09:00,731 And the algorithm does not care about what your politics are. 1380 01:09:01,007 --> 01:09:03,837 It cares about watch time and keeping you on platform. 1381 01:09:03,975 --> 01:09:05,770 And I think I left it the same way I went in it, 1382 01:09:05,908 --> 01:09:08,221 is that I'm curious and I was always looking for, 1383 01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,327 the world's really, really screwed up 1384 01:09:10,465 --> 01:09:13,502 and how can I help make it a little bit better? 1385 01:09:14,123 --> 01:09:16,678 And so that was always the motivation going in 1386 01:09:16,816 --> 01:09:19,681 and that was the motivation coming out. 1387 01:09:20,682 --> 01:09:22,166 [Destiny] Basically what you want to do 1388 01:09:22,304 --> 01:09:23,754 is you want to find somebody that feels like 1389 01:09:23,892 --> 01:09:25,376 they're fucked in some way. 1390 01:09:25,514 --> 01:09:27,206 "Make America Great Again," right? 1391 01:09:27,344 --> 01:09:28,966 You want to find somebody that feels like they're fucked 1392 01:09:29,104 --> 01:09:30,347 in some way and you want to speak to that. 1393 01:09:30,485 --> 01:09:32,072 And when you hone in on that, 1394 01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:35,248 you can bring a person onto your side to believe anything 1395 01:09:35,386 --> 01:09:37,008 that you want them to believe. 1396 01:09:37,146 --> 01:09:38,803 [Caleb] And once I found, you know, content debating 1397 01:09:38,941 --> 01:09:41,875 with these alt-right figures, found Destiny, 1398 01:09:42,013 --> 01:09:44,015 later on I would find ContraPoints. 1399 01:09:44,533 --> 01:09:47,156 Hi. In this video I'm going to talk about 1400 01:09:47,295 --> 01:09:49,607 how to recognize a fascist. 1401 01:09:51,299 --> 01:09:53,093 [Caleb] Yeah, I got obsessed with learning about that, 1402 01:09:53,232 --> 01:09:56,683 because how are these people disproving all my gurus, 1403 01:09:56,821 --> 01:09:59,272 you know, disproving all these people who are supposed to be 1404 01:09:59,410 --> 01:10:02,275 my warriors that are out there fighting to save my civilization? 1405 01:10:02,413 --> 01:10:06,072 How are they getting slayed on the rhetorical battlefield 1406 01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:08,212 by a transgender woman? 1407 01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:11,595 The strategic fascist knows it's better to start with realistic, 1408 01:10:11,733 --> 01:10:14,494 achievable goals, and that means focusing first 1409 01:10:14,632 --> 01:10:16,496 on stopping non-white immigration, 1410 01:10:16,634 --> 01:10:18,843 something they'll try to get you, the centrist, 1411 01:10:18,981 --> 01:10:22,847 conservative or liberal, on board with by emphasizing the danger 1412 01:10:22,985 --> 01:10:26,265 and criminality of non-white immigrants and refugees. 1413 01:10:26,403 --> 01:10:28,059 I always viewed the channel as a kind of 1414 01:10:28,197 --> 01:10:31,339 attempted intervention that didn't assume that, 1415 01:10:31,477 --> 01:10:33,789 I never assumed that YouTube was going to step in and save us. 1416 01:10:33,927 --> 01:10:36,413 I never assumed that these people were going to be banned. 1417 01:10:36,551 --> 01:10:37,966 The question was, 1418 01:10:39,174 --> 01:10:41,107 is there some part of this audience that can be kind of 1419 01:10:42,177 --> 01:10:47,631 pulled away from the edge of this extremism, basically? 1420 01:10:48,977 --> 01:10:52,532 I started to meet people, trans people, Muslim people, 1421 01:10:52,670 --> 01:10:54,189 gay people, all these people. 1422 01:10:54,327 --> 01:10:56,087 And it's not just I met them and now I'm like, 1423 01:10:56,225 --> 01:10:58,400 "Oh, I feel comfortable around you, 1424 01:10:58,538 --> 01:11:01,783 because I was never, I never had a strict phobia of any individual. 1425 01:11:02,784 --> 01:11:05,200 But what I, when I would speak to them, 1426 01:11:05,338 --> 01:11:07,271 I would get to hear their experience and I would actually 1427 01:11:07,409 --> 01:11:09,100 listen to their perspective and I would ask them 1428 01:11:09,238 --> 01:11:10,550 challenging questions. 1429 01:11:10,688 --> 01:11:12,345 If there's anything you guys can teach me, 1430 01:11:12,483 --> 01:11:14,071 if there's anything I can teach you, let's correspond, 1431 01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:16,315 let's get together, and let's figure this thing out, 1432 01:11:16,453 --> 01:11:20,249 because it's a problem I believe that we can figure out. 1433 01:11:20,491 --> 01:11:23,356 They do it like Tyler Durden does inFight Club. 1434 01:11:25,945 --> 01:11:27,912 They take you through your existential moment 1435 01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:30,467 and destroy your old identity, which is your false identity 1436 01:11:30,605 --> 01:11:31,916 that your masters gave to you. 1437 01:11:32,054 --> 01:11:33,504 Just let go! 1438 01:11:33,642 --> 01:11:35,161 [Caleb] And then they give you a new false identity, 1439 01:11:35,299 --> 01:11:36,956 which you are now beholden to them. 1440 01:11:37,094 --> 01:11:38,958 Without pain, without sacrifice, you would have nothing. 1441 01:11:39,096 --> 01:11:41,685 [Caleb] And so now you just run down the pike. 1442 01:11:42,133 --> 01:11:44,135 That's what's kind of going on here. 1443 01:11:46,655 --> 01:11:48,623 And of course, the trick is they lie to you 1444 01:11:48,761 --> 01:11:49,762 about a bunch of stuff, too. 1445 01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:51,488 They reframe the truth. 1446 01:11:51,626 --> 01:11:53,352 [man] There's been an awakening. 1447 01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:55,043 Have you felt it? 1448 01:11:55,181 --> 01:11:56,872 [male 2] Have you ever wondered why we go to war? 1449 01:11:57,010 --> 01:11:59,668 Or why you never seem to be able to get out of debt? 1450 01:11:59,806 --> 01:12:02,464 Why there is poverty, division and crime. 1451 01:12:02,671 --> 01:12:05,018 What if I told you there was a reason for it all? 1452 01:12:05,364 --> 01:12:07,780 What if I told you it was done on purpose? 1453 01:12:08,228 --> 01:12:11,059 What if I told you that those who were corrupting the world, 1454 01:12:11,197 --> 01:12:14,856 poisoning our food and igniting conflict were themselves 1455 01:12:14,994 --> 01:12:17,652 about to be permanently eradicated from the Earth? 1456 01:12:20,482 --> 01:12:22,933 [birds chirping] 1457 01:12:25,107 --> 01:12:29,940 [Tyler] My mom started prepping for World War 3, apocalypse, you name it. 1458 01:12:30,389 --> 01:12:32,494 If you can imagine like a person just prepping 1459 01:12:32,632 --> 01:12:36,498 for a natural disaster as such, she would go ten times beyond that. 1460 01:12:37,292 --> 01:12:40,399 She started arming herself with weapons, guns. 1461 01:12:40,537 --> 01:12:44,161 But she just started wearing the weapon around the house. 1462 01:12:45,749 --> 01:12:47,095 [door thuds] 1463 01:12:49,718 --> 01:12:51,271 -[Alex Winter] Hey, Tyler. -Hello. 1464 01:12:51,617 --> 01:12:53,066 You can just tell us a bit about 1465 01:12:53,204 --> 01:12:54,965 when you first started experiencing the changes 1466 01:12:55,103 --> 01:12:56,449 that were happening at home. 1467 01:12:57,554 --> 01:12:59,659 It was, conspiracy theories to me have always been 1468 01:12:59,797 --> 01:13:01,592 just part of the social media platforms. 1469 01:13:01,730 --> 01:13:05,907 Since, you could say the dawn of time from the digital age and such. 1470 01:13:06,839 --> 01:13:09,048 Once it started approaching closer and closer 1471 01:13:09,186 --> 01:13:10,705 to the elections itself, 1472 01:13:10,843 --> 01:13:13,155 the conspiracy theories started becoming more 1473 01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:17,884 and more wild from things like microchips and the vaccination. 1474 01:13:18,022 --> 01:13:20,335 China having troops at the borders. 1475 01:13:21,198 --> 01:13:25,616 Trump is basically fighting against the cabal or such. 1476 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,516 [ominous music] 1477 01:13:28,654 --> 01:13:33,003 She said that QAnon were two separate entities named Q and Anon, 1478 01:13:33,141 --> 01:13:35,523 run by two quantum computers. 1479 01:13:36,006 --> 01:13:37,594 That they weren't even people, 1480 01:13:37,732 --> 01:13:40,389 they were AIs that helped recruit Trump 1481 01:13:40,528 --> 01:13:41,805 to fight the good fight. 1482 01:13:42,357 --> 01:13:43,841 From there, it just started 1483 01:13:43,979 --> 01:13:46,672 getting even worse because now she started preaching 1484 01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:48,777 these conspiracy theories like they're the Bible 1485 01:13:48,915 --> 01:13:51,539 and started getting in my face about it all the time. 1486 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,783 I couldn't say no. I couldn't say yes. 1487 01:13:54,921 --> 01:13:57,268 Either one would trigger a confrontation 1488 01:13:57,406 --> 01:13:59,339 between herself and me. 1489 01:13:59,478 --> 01:14:02,308 And especially since I didn't hold the same beliefs as she did. 1490 01:14:02,446 --> 01:14:06,485 She said things like, "Oh, I'm just trying to protect you." 1491 01:14:06,623 --> 01:14:09,591 And I'm like, "Yes, from what? 1492 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,352 The neighbors are not going to harm us. 1493 01:14:12,491 --> 01:14:14,493 I'm afraid sometimes 1494 01:14:14,631 --> 01:14:16,771 that you're going to go out there and start killing people or something." 1495 01:14:17,288 --> 01:14:19,083 She took offense to that and eventually 1496 01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:22,777 it devolved to, the argument devolved into me saying, 1497 01:14:22,915 --> 01:14:25,711 "I'm done. I don't need you anymore." 1498 01:14:25,918 --> 01:14:28,023 And from there I just called up some friends 1499 01:14:28,161 --> 01:14:30,198 and left on just whatever I can grab. 1500 01:14:36,756 --> 01:14:38,309 [reporter] The World Health Organization 1501 01:14:38,447 --> 01:14:41,381 has now confirmed the coronavirus is a pandemic. 1502 01:14:42,521 --> 01:14:44,868 [reporter 2] A quarter of the world's population 1503 01:14:45,006 --> 01:14:47,664 is now living under some form of lockdown 1504 01:14:47,802 --> 01:14:49,804 due to coronavirus. 1505 01:14:49,942 --> 01:14:53,704 [Donald Trump] Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. 1506 01:14:53,842 --> 01:14:55,326 Let's raise the, raise the bed. 1507 01:14:55,706 --> 01:14:57,881 [doctors] 1508 01:14:58,019 --> 01:14:59,883 And this is their new hoax. 1509 01:15:00,608 --> 01:15:03,334 The coronavirus pandemic was the perfect storm 1510 01:15:03,472 --> 01:15:05,613 for radicalizing people. 1511 01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:09,789 There is no evidence that I can see that a pandemic exists. 1512 01:15:09,927 --> 01:15:12,551 [Robert Lewis] I don't personally know anybody that's had it. 1513 01:15:12,689 --> 01:15:16,037 I don't know anybody that knows anybody that's had it. 1514 01:15:16,175 --> 01:15:17,901 So you either wear the mask... 1515 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:20,386 And I'm not doing it because I woke up in a free country. 1516 01:15:21,111 --> 01:15:23,320 [Talia] It created a lot of isolation. 1517 01:15:23,458 --> 01:15:26,185 It gave people a lot more time to be on their computers. 1518 01:15:26,634 --> 01:15:29,153 You cannot make people wear a mask. It's not our laws at all. 1519 01:15:29,291 --> 01:15:31,811 This is just made up by Bill Gates and them. 1520 01:15:31,949 --> 01:15:33,951 Go online and look it up. 1521 01:15:35,712 --> 01:15:38,128 [Talia] You know, there were these massive social disruptions, 1522 01:15:38,266 --> 01:15:41,303 like over the nature of the fabric of reality. 1523 01:15:41,441 --> 01:15:43,582 -[woman] Are you laying 5G? -Yeah. 1524 01:15:43,892 --> 01:15:45,445 [woman] You know, when they turn this on, it's going to kill everyone. 1525 01:15:45,584 --> 01:15:47,240 And that's why they're building the hospitals. 1526 01:15:47,378 --> 01:15:49,829 [crowd chanting] 1527 01:15:49,967 --> 01:15:54,800 [Talia] In person, the reopen rallies like were attended by militias and white nationalists. 1528 01:15:54,938 --> 01:15:57,906 Texans know this is a Chi-Com 1529 01:15:58,044 --> 01:16:04,119 globalist bio weapon meant to shut down our economy. 1530 01:16:05,051 --> 01:16:06,363 [Talia] The same was true on the Internet, 1531 01:16:06,501 --> 01:16:08,503 that the people pushing reopen content 1532 01:16:08,641 --> 01:16:11,955 or talking about COVID restrictions as state tyranny. 1533 01:16:12,093 --> 01:16:14,267 We're talking about the COVID lockdown. 1534 01:16:14,405 --> 01:16:16,718 What we're really talking about is the great reset. 1535 01:16:17,201 --> 01:16:18,858 Everything that you're seeing right now 1536 01:16:18,996 --> 01:16:21,758 is a giant political conspiracy. 1537 01:16:21,896 --> 01:16:23,449 [machine beeping] 1538 01:16:24,036 --> 01:16:25,175 We're going to do everything we can. 1539 01:16:25,313 --> 01:16:27,177 That's what I can promise you, okay? 1540 01:16:28,385 --> 01:16:29,938 [Anthony] When you meet someone that says, 1541 01:16:30,076 --> 01:16:31,595 "Oh, I'm somewhere in the middle," 1542 01:16:31,733 --> 01:16:34,115 which I feel like what many people were at some point, 1543 01:16:34,253 --> 01:16:36,013 now it's like, "Oh, you're in the middle, 1544 01:16:36,151 --> 01:16:37,497 then you're against me, fuck you." 1545 01:16:38,706 --> 01:16:40,639 And the algorithm really plays into that. 1546 01:16:40,777 --> 01:16:44,228 [yelling] 1547 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,129 Before we get to the topic at hand, which is COVID-19, 1548 01:16:48,267 --> 01:16:51,373 we have to address the protests currently going on 1549 01:16:51,511 --> 01:16:54,998 and the murder of George Floyd at the hands of police. 1550 01:16:55,930 --> 01:16:57,863 [crowds chanting] 1551 01:16:58,795 --> 01:17:02,453 [reporter] The outrage over the death of George Floyd is global. 1552 01:17:02,591 --> 01:17:04,214 [woman] We're here to enact change. 1553 01:17:04,352 --> 01:17:06,112 We're here to say that our lives matter. 1554 01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:07,700 We need the community to understand that. 1555 01:17:07,838 --> 01:17:10,082 [crowd] We want change! We want change! 1556 01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:13,879 Certainly, all of those factors were pumped up to 11. 1557 01:17:14,638 --> 01:17:16,364 [yelling and screaming] 1558 01:17:16,571 --> 01:17:18,884 [reporter] Dozens of American cities up in flames 1559 01:17:19,022 --> 01:17:21,680 after some protests turned into riots. 1560 01:17:21,818 --> 01:17:23,820 [crowd yelling] 1561 01:17:24,475 --> 01:17:26,201 I think that the way that the platforms 1562 01:17:26,339 --> 01:17:29,204 and YouTube in particular looked at these algorithms was 1563 01:17:29,342 --> 01:17:30,999 much more from the perspective of, 1564 01:17:31,137 --> 01:17:33,243 "Oh wow, let's find a way to get people 1565 01:17:33,381 --> 01:17:35,970 to see content coming from like-minded people." 1566 01:17:36,108 --> 01:17:37,834 And I don't think it had occurred to them 1567 01:17:37,972 --> 01:17:41,527 that like-minded people might be people who were angry... 1568 01:17:41,665 --> 01:17:44,910 Start a riot? Black lives matter? [bleep] you! 1569 01:17:45,358 --> 01:17:48,499 [Jillian] ...and looking for the kind of content that would help them 1570 01:17:48,637 --> 01:17:51,710 connect with other people who were angry in that same way 1571 01:17:51,848 --> 01:17:54,229 and not oriented towards justice. 1572 01:17:56,300 --> 01:18:00,304 A lot of people turned to conspiracy for the first time. 1573 01:18:00,442 --> 01:18:05,689 This is experimental bio warfare on the people. 1574 01:18:06,586 --> 01:18:09,072 [Talia] Some of them became out and out white nationalists 1575 01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:10,556 and some of them became sympathizers 1576 01:18:10,694 --> 01:18:13,593 and others became QAnon supporters. 1577 01:18:13,732 --> 01:18:15,561 This is like a global takeover. 1578 01:18:15,699 --> 01:18:17,390 They're trying to create a new world order, right? 1579 01:18:17,528 --> 01:18:20,083 They thought they could easily get their great reset. 1580 01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:22,775 Little did they know! Little did they know! 1581 01:18:22,982 --> 01:18:24,708 They thought they could easily have it. 1582 01:18:24,846 --> 01:18:26,089 Pandemic's a hoax! 1583 01:18:27,297 --> 01:18:29,195 [Talia] It grew and grew and grew and grew. 1584 01:18:35,305 --> 01:18:37,479 [Caleb] On January 6th, I went down to the Capitol. 1585 01:18:37,617 --> 01:18:39,067 [screaming] 1586 01:18:39,378 --> 01:18:41,725 One thing that I've tried to understand 1587 01:18:41,863 --> 01:18:43,520 is Internet subcultures. 1588 01:18:45,349 --> 01:18:47,110 And I was at the Capitol to take pictures 1589 01:18:47,248 --> 01:18:48,939 of the different extremist groups. 1590 01:18:49,077 --> 01:18:52,046 [crowd] Stop the steal! Stop the steal! 1591 01:18:52,632 --> 01:18:54,289 They chased me around, called me antifa. 1592 01:18:54,427 --> 01:18:56,291 Tried to get the normal MAGA people, 1593 01:18:56,429 --> 01:18:58,155 because I could tell these were some Proud Boys types. 1594 01:18:58,293 --> 01:19:00,468 We're going to storm the fucking Capitol. 1595 01:19:00,606 --> 01:19:01,918 Fuck you fuckers. 1596 01:19:04,023 --> 01:19:05,991 Bellingcat did a great study of looking 1597 01:19:06,129 --> 01:19:08,131 at sort of neo-Nazis on Telegram who discussed 1598 01:19:08,269 --> 01:19:09,304 how they'd been radicalized. 1599 01:19:09,442 --> 01:19:11,479 And just like so many of them, 1600 01:19:11,617 --> 01:19:14,137 a majority of them, cited YouTube specifically 1601 01:19:14,275 --> 01:19:17,209 as their means of radicalization. 1602 01:19:18,003 --> 01:19:20,212 This is probably our last opportunity 1603 01:19:20,350 --> 01:19:24,354 to actually organize against the New World Order. 1604 01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:29,014 [reporter] Yesterday, conspiracy theorists, the alt right, the far right, 1605 01:19:29,152 --> 01:19:33,087 QAnon followers, and others stormed Capitol Hill 1606 01:19:33,225 --> 01:19:35,192 and livestreamed it. 1607 01:19:37,298 --> 01:19:40,094 [man] A lot of the blame for inciting these riots is being placed 1608 01:19:40,232 --> 01:19:42,130 on social media sites. 1609 01:19:42,441 --> 01:19:44,615 [reporter] YouTube announced Tuesday it suspended 1610 01:19:44,753 --> 01:19:46,790 U.S. President Donald Trump's channel 1611 01:19:46,928 --> 01:19:50,449 as it violated policies against inciting violence. 1612 01:19:50,587 --> 01:19:54,004 [woman] He was suspended from both Twitter and banned from Facebook 1613 01:19:54,142 --> 01:19:55,350 and Instagram as well. 1614 01:19:56,351 --> 01:19:58,422 It's a sad day when Big Tech has more power 1615 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,321 than big government, that they can censor 1616 01:20:00,459 --> 01:20:03,496 the President of the United States. 1617 01:20:03,634 --> 01:20:06,258 [Harris Faulkner] YouTube extending its suspension 1618 01:20:06,396 --> 01:20:09,606 of former President Trump's account now indefinitely. 1619 01:20:09,744 --> 01:20:11,332 [screaming] 1620 01:20:11,539 --> 01:20:14,128 [Jillian] They saw that these democratic institutions 1621 01:20:14,266 --> 01:20:15,750 that they were trying to protect 1622 01:20:15,888 --> 01:20:17,614 through freedom of expression 1623 01:20:17,752 --> 01:20:20,375 were actually being destroyed right in front of their eyes 1624 01:20:20,513 --> 01:20:22,653 on their platforms for the whole world to see. 1625 01:20:22,791 --> 01:20:26,174 Patriots are inside Nancy Pelosi's office! 1626 01:20:26,312 --> 01:20:28,487 Hey, everybody, Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain radio. 1627 01:20:28,625 --> 01:20:31,662 [woman] YouTube is continuing to ban the accounts of white supremacists 1628 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,148 in an effort to combat hate speech on its platform. 1629 01:20:34,286 --> 01:20:38,428 We are going under digital martial law. 1630 01:20:41,431 --> 01:20:44,330 [Caleb] Oversaturation of social communication technology 1631 01:20:44,468 --> 01:20:47,437 is going to cause a lot of conflict. 1632 01:20:48,093 --> 01:20:50,509 You know, radicalization getting played out on YouTube 1633 01:20:50,647 --> 01:20:52,373 and everybody throws their hands up and says, 1634 01:20:52,511 --> 01:20:55,617 "Oh, my God, it's the new satanic panic." 1635 01:20:55,755 --> 01:20:57,205 It's the same old thing 1636 01:20:57,343 --> 01:20:59,690 that's been happening, except now it's hyperlinked. 1637 01:21:01,382 --> 01:21:03,453 If we don't figure out this problem, 1638 01:21:03,591 --> 01:21:06,007 we're going to lose what it means to be human. 1639 01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:11,599 Your platforms have changed 1640 01:21:11,737 --> 01:21:15,051 how people across the planet communicate, connect, 1641 01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:17,018 learn and stay informed. 1642 01:21:17,467 --> 01:21:18,882 The power of this technology 1643 01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:20,746 is awesome and terrifying, 1644 01:21:20,884 --> 01:21:24,992 and each of you has failed to protect your users and the world 1645 01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:28,202 from the worst consequences of your creations. 1646 01:21:29,237 --> 01:21:30,687 This is the first time the three of you 1647 01:21:30,825 --> 01:21:32,344 have appeared before Congress 1648 01:21:32,482 --> 01:21:35,761 since the deadly attack on the Capitol on January 6th. 1649 01:21:36,348 --> 01:21:37,728 That event was not just an attack 1650 01:21:37,866 --> 01:21:40,421 on our democracy and our electoral process, 1651 01:21:40,559 --> 01:21:42,216 but an attack on every member 1652 01:21:42,354 --> 01:21:44,183 of this committee and in the Congress. 1653 01:21:44,321 --> 01:21:46,806 I want to start by asking all three of you 1654 01:21:46,945 --> 01:21:50,638 if your platform bears some responsibility 1655 01:21:50,776 --> 01:21:54,262 for disseminating disinformation related to the election 1656 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:55,815 and the Stop the Steal movement 1657 01:21:55,954 --> 01:21:57,852 that lead to the attack on the Capitol. 1658 01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:59,405 Just a yes or no answer. 1659 01:21:59,854 --> 01:22:02,753 We always feel a deep sense of responsibility. 1660 01:22:02,891 --> 01:22:04,410 But I think we worked hard. 1661 01:22:05,791 --> 01:22:07,966 This election effort was one of our most substantive efforts. 1662 01:22:08,104 --> 01:22:09,243 [Mike Doyle] Is that a yes or a no? 1663 01:22:09,484 --> 01:22:11,176 Congressman, it's a complex question. 1664 01:22:11,624 --> 01:22:14,144 -We... -Okay, we'll move on. 1665 01:22:18,838 --> 01:22:20,840 [Natalie] It's an interesting situation 1666 01:22:20,979 --> 01:22:24,603 where you have what has basically become the public forum 1667 01:22:24,844 --> 01:22:28,158 is run by about three corporations. 1668 01:22:29,194 --> 01:22:32,266 That is a level of power, 1669 01:22:33,405 --> 01:22:36,235 a level of political power and social power 1670 01:22:36,615 --> 01:22:41,206 and economic power that is a little bit terrifying, I think. 1671 01:22:43,932 --> 01:22:46,521 [slow music] 1672 01:22:49,524 --> 01:22:51,250 [Brianna] Google is one of the largest companies 1673 01:22:51,388 --> 01:22:52,907 in the entire world. 1674 01:22:53,045 --> 01:22:55,013 So, you know, one of the reasons 1675 01:22:55,151 --> 01:22:59,362 I ran for Congress was I thought that I could be a force of good. 1676 01:22:59,983 --> 01:23:01,605 Hi, I'm Brianna Wu. 1677 01:23:01,743 --> 01:23:03,952 And I'm running to be your congresswoman right here 1678 01:23:04,091 --> 01:23:06,231 in Massachusetts District Eight. 1679 01:23:08,026 --> 01:23:10,511 I thought that having someone that had been affected by these issues, 1680 01:23:10,649 --> 01:23:13,652 I hoped that I could make a difference directly. 1681 01:23:13,928 --> 01:23:17,000 Clearly just tweeting about these issues, 1682 01:23:17,138 --> 01:23:18,657 it's not working. 1683 01:23:18,795 --> 01:23:21,418 We need legislators that really care about this issue 1684 01:23:21,556 --> 01:23:24,111 and will put skin on the line for it. 1685 01:23:25,112 --> 01:23:28,356 I want to be very clear that the prosecution's decision 1686 01:23:28,494 --> 01:23:30,358 to abandon my client's claims 1687 01:23:30,496 --> 01:23:34,707 does not invalidate the truth of her claims. 1688 01:23:34,983 --> 01:23:38,366 Well, because I am a litigator, 1689 01:23:38,504 --> 01:23:42,957 my whole like purpose is this idea that, 1690 01:23:43,095 --> 01:23:47,720 you know, one lawyer and one client can pay $210 1691 01:23:47,858 --> 01:23:50,620 for an index number to start a lawsuit. 1692 01:23:50,758 --> 01:23:55,418 And that team of people can create law that rules the land. 1693 01:23:55,556 --> 01:23:58,214 And that process comes about 1694 01:23:58,352 --> 01:24:02,045 by starting a case, appealing and appealing when you lose, 1695 01:24:02,183 --> 01:24:04,323 and then petitioning to the Supreme Court. 1696 01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:08,224 And so that's why I think litigation 1697 01:24:08,362 --> 01:24:12,055 to reform the Internet is really powerful 1698 01:24:12,193 --> 01:24:16,335 and is like where I put my effort. 1699 01:24:16,784 --> 01:24:18,889 So, yeah, I do think it needs to go to the Supreme Court. 1700 01:24:19,614 --> 01:24:21,202 Can you bring it here? 1701 01:24:25,551 --> 01:24:27,622 I'd like to think I've been making a dent in it. 1702 01:24:27,898 --> 01:24:31,661 The NRA when I started was, you know, all powerful. 1703 01:24:31,799 --> 01:24:34,250 Now they're, they haven't gone away, 1704 01:24:34,388 --> 01:24:36,114 but they're somewhat in retreat. 1705 01:24:36,804 --> 01:24:39,220 With Google, it's the same thing. 1706 01:24:39,358 --> 01:24:43,880 I have started a Change.org petition. 1707 01:24:45,157 --> 01:24:47,435 People are calling in to say, 1708 01:24:47,573 --> 01:24:50,473 help Andy Parker, give him the co-copyright. 1709 01:24:50,611 --> 01:24:52,199 What good is it for you 1710 01:24:52,337 --> 01:24:55,305 when he can at least use this in his fight against Google? 1711 01:24:56,203 --> 01:25:01,794 And so it's a worthwhile fight and I'm not giving up. 1712 01:25:01,932 --> 01:25:04,659 And whether it comes from the Supreme Court or Congress, 1713 01:25:04,797 --> 01:25:08,387 I think it's more likely to come from legislation, 1714 01:25:08,525 --> 01:25:09,871 congressional legislation. 1715 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,943 Google profits massively 1716 01:25:13,081 --> 01:25:15,014 off of lack of regulation. 1717 01:25:15,153 --> 01:25:16,499 If it cannot properly 1718 01:25:16,637 --> 01:25:19,226 protect citizens from online harassment, 1719 01:25:19,433 --> 01:25:22,194 hate speech and moment of death videos, 1720 01:25:22,332 --> 01:25:24,921 I call on Congress to step in 1721 01:25:25,059 --> 01:25:27,372 and make sure that proper protections 1722 01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:29,512 are in place for private citizens like me 1723 01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:32,825 who are continually harassed and exploited. 1724 01:25:33,274 --> 01:25:36,657 Well it's a great saying, with great power comes great responsibility. 1725 01:25:36,795 --> 01:25:40,799 We did tell him that you have, you have the influence, right, 1726 01:25:40,937 --> 01:25:42,249 to influence kids. 1727 01:25:42,387 --> 01:25:45,044 So we, hopefully we teach him right 1728 01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:47,461 and use that influence for good. 1729 01:25:47,599 --> 01:25:49,325 So what we did, 1730 01:25:49,463 --> 01:25:52,604 partnered with the YouTube team, is we interviewed health experts. 1731 01:25:53,052 --> 01:25:56,987 If somebody sneezes or coughs and they have the coronavirus, 1732 01:25:57,125 --> 01:25:58,955 how far can it spread? 1733 01:25:59,093 --> 01:26:00,474 That's such a cool question. 1734 01:26:00,612 --> 01:26:02,786 These particles are so tiny 1735 01:26:03,546 --> 01:26:05,030 that they even happen when we talk. 1736 01:26:05,168 --> 01:26:06,618 They come out of our mouth when we talk. 1737 01:26:06,756 --> 01:26:08,758 I know that sounds really gross. [laughter] 1738 01:26:08,896 --> 01:26:11,692 [Shion] Ryan asks all those questions for his fans. 1739 01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:16,144 And now, until when do you want to do the YouTube thing? 1740 01:26:16,283 --> 01:26:18,837 Until when you're 20-something? 1741 01:26:18,975 --> 01:26:21,080 Yeah, 20, I think 6 or 5. 1742 01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:24,256 So he wants to continue this until at least he's 26. 1743 01:26:24,463 --> 01:26:25,706 Just for now. [laughs] 1744 01:26:25,844 --> 01:26:28,502 And why? He had a reason why. 1745 01:26:29,157 --> 01:26:30,538 I don't remember. 1746 01:26:30,987 --> 01:26:34,059 I know you've probably already read the title by now, 1747 01:26:34,197 --> 01:26:38,650 but I feel like we should just come out and say it. 1748 01:26:38,891 --> 01:26:40,859 I'm leaving Smosh. 1749 01:26:40,997 --> 01:26:43,206 I know a lot of you guys are probably going to assume 1750 01:26:43,655 --> 01:26:46,140 he's leaving because we got in some sort of big fight 1751 01:26:46,278 --> 01:26:48,453 or because we hate each other. 1752 01:26:48,832 --> 01:26:52,250 But I can guarantee you guys it has nothing to do with that. 1753 01:26:52,388 --> 01:26:54,252 -That did not happen. -No. 1754 01:26:54,493 --> 01:26:56,668 [Anthony] I started to really look at 1755 01:26:56,806 --> 01:26:59,774 what I put out there into the ether as... 1756 01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:04,917 really having some kind of influence on the way that people 1757 01:27:05,055 --> 01:27:09,163 go about their days after watching a piece of content. 1758 01:27:09,784 --> 01:27:11,959 My name is Anthony Padilla, 1759 01:27:12,097 --> 01:27:14,617 and today I'm going to be sitting down with survivors of school shootings 1760 01:27:14,755 --> 01:27:18,206 to learn what it's really like to live through such a traumatic 1761 01:27:18,345 --> 01:27:19,622 and Earth-shattering event. 1762 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,555 -Thank you so much, Shelby. -Thank you! 1763 01:27:21,693 --> 01:27:25,179 I feel like I fully understand the wondrous world of asexuality. 1764 01:27:25,317 --> 01:27:27,802 -I'm so glad. -And congratulations on coming out to the entire world. 1765 01:27:27,940 --> 01:27:30,357 -Oh my God, I forgot already. -[laughter] 1766 01:27:31,012 --> 01:27:33,118 [Anthony] It made me realize that the world 1767 01:27:33,256 --> 01:27:37,605 would be so much of a better place if people came 1768 01:27:38,434 --> 01:27:39,883 into any interaction first with, 1769 01:27:40,021 --> 01:27:42,161 from a place of curiosity and trying to understand 1770 01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:43,749 rather than judgment. 1771 01:27:43,887 --> 01:27:46,821 And it kind of made me feel like there was 1772 01:27:46,959 --> 01:27:48,996 a point to what I was doing, 1773 01:27:50,273 --> 01:27:51,343 which really helped. 1774 01:27:51,481 --> 01:27:52,724 [cork popping] 1775 01:27:53,966 --> 01:27:58,177 You know what, America? Things, things have not gone well. 1776 01:27:58,833 --> 01:28:00,766 Well, as long as I can remember being on YouTube, 1777 01:28:00,904 --> 01:28:03,700 there have always been people who are prognosticating the end. 1778 01:28:03,838 --> 01:28:06,116 "Right, oh, this is the end of the free Internet. 1779 01:28:06,254 --> 01:28:08,049 Like the corporations are going to come in, 1780 01:28:08,187 --> 01:28:09,327 they're going to take over." 1781 01:28:09,465 --> 01:28:10,707 Like it used to be the Wild West, 1782 01:28:10,845 --> 01:28:11,743 it used to be fun, it used to be free. 1783 01:28:11,881 --> 01:28:13,469 But it's all about to end. 1784 01:28:13,607 --> 01:28:15,747 You know, I've been hearing people say that for 14 years. 1785 01:28:16,437 --> 01:28:18,025 [chuckles] As for me, 1786 01:28:18,163 --> 01:28:20,648 Yeah, I'm not just some person filming on a webcam 1787 01:28:20,786 --> 01:28:22,616 in my bedroom anymore, there's a budget. 1788 01:28:22,754 --> 01:28:24,928 There's, you know, a million subscribers, 1789 01:28:25,066 --> 01:28:26,689 but it's still me. 1790 01:28:26,827 --> 01:28:30,727 And because I do commentary on multiple-year trends, 1791 01:28:30,865 --> 01:28:32,695 is kind of the time frame I try to work on, 1792 01:28:32,833 --> 01:28:35,560 I will respond to those trends as they happen. 1793 01:28:35,698 --> 01:28:39,495 Like, am I going to be agile enough that I can stay interesting 1794 01:28:39,736 --> 01:28:42,049 and continue to know what I'm talking about? 1795 01:28:42,981 --> 01:28:47,468 I hope I can. I intend to try. [chuckles] 1796 01:28:51,230 --> 01:28:55,580 Ideally, where do you see YouTube in the future? 1797 01:28:55,718 --> 01:28:58,203 And also just personally, 1798 01:28:58,341 --> 01:29:00,999 where do you see the role of big tech 1799 01:29:01,137 --> 01:29:05,141 in terms of the fact that it has had so much power? 1800 01:29:05,279 --> 01:29:07,592 What do you think the ideal scenario is 1801 01:29:09,421 --> 01:29:11,458 moving forward as both someone who is overseeing YouTube and as a mom, 1802 01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:14,530 as someone who's just a member of this crazy society 1803 01:29:14,668 --> 01:29:16,670 we find ourselves in at this moment? 1804 01:29:17,291 --> 01:29:18,637 [chuckles] 1805 01:29:18,879 --> 01:29:22,296 So I see, I mean, I see a lot of the benefits. 1806 01:29:22,434 --> 01:29:26,127 I see the benefits of the educational communities, 1807 01:29:26,265 --> 01:29:29,752 of connecting diverse communities that otherwise could have never 1808 01:29:29,890 --> 01:29:33,514 been connected and at the same time be thinking about 1809 01:29:33,652 --> 01:29:35,343 what are the risks, what are the downsides, 1810 01:29:35,482 --> 01:29:37,104 how can we manage that? 1811 01:29:37,242 --> 01:29:39,175 I know that right now there's a lot of discussion about it, 1812 01:29:39,313 --> 01:29:44,456 but I see that for many reasons that will get worked out. 1813 01:29:44,594 --> 01:29:48,080 I think there's a demand from society, 1814 01:29:48,218 --> 01:29:51,705 from the press, certainly from governments. 1815 01:29:51,912 --> 01:29:55,363 And I do believe that technology 1816 01:29:55,502 --> 01:29:58,850 has a tremendous opportunity for good in the long term. 1817 01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:04,511 [upbeat music playing] 1818 01:30:06,478 --> 01:30:12,519 [crowd counting down] 1819 01:30:14,935 --> 01:30:18,525 [all cheering] [opening bell ringing] 1820 01:30:19,180 --> 01:30:20,906 What I would like to see us do 1821 01:30:21,044 --> 01:30:23,184 is to fundamentally rethink the business model. 1822 01:30:23,564 --> 01:30:24,979 I would like to see us to return 1823 01:30:25,117 --> 01:30:27,050 to something more sane, which is say, look, 1824 01:30:27,188 --> 01:30:29,639 if there is value to Facebook and to Twitter and to YouTube, 1825 01:30:29,777 --> 01:30:31,641 I should just pay a subscription for it. 1826 01:30:31,779 --> 01:30:33,160 And if I'm paying a subscription, 1827 01:30:33,298 --> 01:30:34,506 my business model looks really different. 1828 01:30:34,644 --> 01:30:36,059 My incentives look different. 1829 01:30:37,475 --> 01:30:39,891 At Google, the past year has given renewed purpose to our mission 1830 01:30:40,374 --> 01:30:42,100 to organize the world's information 1831 01:30:42,445 --> 01:30:44,723 and make it universally accessible and useful. 1832 01:30:44,861 --> 01:30:48,209 Building a more helpful Google for everyone. 1833 01:30:48,831 --> 01:30:51,040 [slow music] 1834 01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:53,905 At other times in our history, 1835 01:30:54,043 --> 01:30:57,080 we have seen dramatic changes, 1836 01:30:57,702 --> 01:31:00,705 breaking up oil and railroad trusts. 1837 01:31:01,533 --> 01:31:04,087 Addressing big tobacco, 1838 01:31:05,088 --> 01:31:08,298 you know, instituting automotive safety reforms. 1839 01:31:08,436 --> 01:31:14,581 We have stepped up and taken on corporate behemoths in the past. 1840 01:31:17,031 --> 01:31:19,689 But it was a very different time. 1841 01:31:21,484 --> 01:31:23,451 Until there's really 1842 01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:27,973 popular momentum for some of these changes, 1843 01:31:28,111 --> 01:31:29,699 they're just not going to happen. 1844 01:31:33,151 --> 01:31:36,326 [dramatic music] 1845 01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:41,055 If YouTube, the company went down tomorrow, 1846 01:31:41,193 --> 01:31:43,851 I think there would be a lot of harmful content 1847 01:31:43,989 --> 01:31:45,819 that was no longer on the Internet. 1848 01:31:46,992 --> 01:31:49,374 But there also would be a ton of creators 1849 01:31:49,512 --> 01:31:51,238 just trying to make a living 1850 01:31:51,376 --> 01:31:53,792 who'd no longer have the venue to do that, right? 1851 01:31:54,034 --> 01:31:57,175 Days like this is why I started vlogging, 1852 01:31:57,313 --> 01:31:59,557 because otherwise no one would see this. 1853 01:32:03,008 --> 01:32:04,562 It really just kind of depends 1854 01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:06,633 on what your outlook in life is. 1855 01:32:06,771 --> 01:32:10,119 If you're the kind of person who's looking for differences, 1856 01:32:10,257 --> 01:32:11,741 who's looking for ways to condemn 1857 01:32:11,879 --> 01:32:13,329 other people and to divide us out, 1858 01:32:13,467 --> 01:32:15,642 then you're going to see YouTube as an enabler 1859 01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:17,989 of these terrible movements, right, 1860 01:32:18,127 --> 01:32:20,612 as a way of justifying the things that you're doing. 1861 01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:23,304 Whereas if you're someone who's seeking those connections, 1862 01:32:23,442 --> 01:32:25,444 who's seeking to find what we have in common 1863 01:32:25,583 --> 01:32:28,309 or to expose injustice, then you're going to use it 1864 01:32:28,447 --> 01:32:30,588 for those purposes. 1865 01:32:30,726 --> 01:32:33,383 And so really, it's the great enabler of all of these different things. 1866 01:32:33,521 --> 01:32:36,801 [man] Lift off of the 25th space shuttle mission, 1867 01:32:36,939 --> 01:32:38,388 and it has cleared the tower. 1868 01:32:38,526 --> 01:32:41,426 I really feel like this is the commons. 1869 01:32:41,564 --> 01:32:44,049 YouTube is our public library. 1870 01:32:44,187 --> 01:32:47,570 [excited basketball commentary] 1871 01:32:47,708 --> 01:32:50,262 [Brianna] It's a critical part of human civilization. 1872 01:32:50,573 --> 01:32:52,851 [Martin Luther King Jr] We've learned to fly the air like birds. 1873 01:32:52,989 --> 01:32:56,441 We've learned to swim the seas like fish. 1874 01:32:56,579 --> 01:32:58,512 And yet we haven't learned to walk the Earth 1875 01:32:58,650 --> 01:33:00,272 as brothers and sisters. 1876 01:33:01,135 --> 01:33:03,103 [Brianna] But I think that corporations 1877 01:33:03,241 --> 01:33:05,312 don't do the right thing until they're forced 1878 01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:06,969 to do the right thing. 1879 01:33:11,629 --> 01:33:17,082 My greatest fear is that we all become citizens of big tech. 1880 01:33:18,670 --> 01:33:20,603 And that there comes a point 1881 01:33:20,741 --> 01:33:25,401 where they're far more powerful than our courts or lawmakers 1882 01:33:25,539 --> 01:33:27,852 and that they have more information 1883 01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:31,683 than our law enforcers and that we're all just 1884 01:33:31,821 --> 01:33:33,823 kind of at their mercy. 1885 01:33:34,617 --> 01:33:40,312 [dramatic rock music] 1886 01:33:59,090 --> 01:34:01,817 We have built a technological grid system 1887 01:34:02,403 --> 01:34:05,510 that we essentially can't destroy 1888 01:34:05,648 --> 01:34:07,788 because we're relying on it now. 1889 01:34:11,136 --> 01:34:14,070 And they've got these things buried at the bottom of the ocean. 1890 01:34:14,968 --> 01:34:17,177 Is anybody stopping for a second 1891 01:34:17,315 --> 01:34:20,594 and thinking about what it means to build something and rely on something like that 1892 01:34:20,732 --> 01:34:22,389 and to never question it? 1893 01:34:23,286 --> 01:34:25,426 Are we speeding things up too fast? 1894 01:34:28,222 --> 01:34:30,431 And what are we speeding towards? 1895 01:34:40,062 --> 01:34:44,756 [slow music playing] 1896 01:35:10,023 --> 01:35:15,787 [slow music playing] 1897 01:35:47,543 --> 01:35:53,204 [slow music playing] 1898 01:36:20,818 --> 01:36:25,546 [slow music playing] 1899 01:36:45,946 --> 01:36:51,331 [dramatic music playing] 1900 01:37:23,604 --> 01:37:29,403 [dramatic music playing] 1901 01:37:54,187 --> 01:38:00,987 [slow music playing] 1902 01:38:41,441 --> 01:38:47,481 [slow music playing] 149586

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