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Ripped By mstoll
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So, later on last night,
about half ten,
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Aisha comes in to my room to tell me
that Gemma has once again
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been Snapchatting pictures
of her bottom to some lad in her class.
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Oh, nice.
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Two hours later, two hours,
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I finally managed to find her phone
and confiscate it.
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Yeah, and it probably isn't
even a lad in her class.
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It's probably some retired
colonel from East Grinstead
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just, like, posing as him.
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Guv, you know sometimes
the things you say just...
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Just make me feel worse.
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- Hashtag, just saying.
- Ah.
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OK.
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Yeah. No, it looks worse
than it actually is.
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Exactly, yeah.
I'll get one of those rubber bath mats.
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All right then, love. OK.
I'll be back in about 20 minutes.
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All right, bye.
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Right, here we go.
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Thanks, matey.
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Come on, mother. Tuck in.
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I don't want to be here, Les.
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Change the record, love.
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I want to be somewhere safe.
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- I know, uh...
- No, she... She's safe here.
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Please.
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Dad, I...
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Dad!
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One more word. One more fucking word
from either of you!
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Will you calm down!
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You did slip, didn't you, Mum?
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Of course.
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Thomas Pinion is a life-long alcoholic
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who'd say one thing to you, another
to me and another to a newspaper.
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Who will also, of course,
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be paying him.
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As, indeed, he said, um, you were
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to stay silent about your activities
with the Fenwick family?
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Except he's lying.
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His bank records confirm
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six sums of £2,000 paid into his account
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over a period of five years from 2004.
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And what proof do you have
this is anything to do with my client?
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Uh, no proof yet
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'cause they were cash.
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But obviously if we, um, went through
your business records
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and found any petty cash transactions
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that match these sums we'd be concerned.
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Look, I fully admit
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for a few months 40 years ago
I associated with some people
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I sincerely wish I hadn't.
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But...
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If I was the sort of person
who could've done what you allege
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could I really be
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what I am now?
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Well, a lot of people might say
it was an essential qualification.
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People make mistakes.
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That doesn't make me a murderer.
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Hmm.
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What are we waiting about for, lads?
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Come on, five laps. Easy jog.
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Where's Curtis?
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No idea. Why? Come on, lads.
Let's be having you.
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Maybe he ain't here 'cause of her?
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Why's that then, mate?
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- Just heard some things, innit.
- Yeah? What things?
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- 'Bout dem bitch!
- Don't ever...
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...talk about my wife like that.
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You get me, blud!
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- OK, man.
- Ever!
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OK, I get it. I get it!
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Whatever Curtis told you,
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any of you...
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Whatever he thinks he heard,
I'm telling you he got it wrong!
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You got that?
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Rob, it's half five and you have mass.
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I need you to sit down.
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I need to tell you something.
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I don't need to sit down. What is it?
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What do you need to tell me?
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The young man
the police were asking me about,
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and I promise I really don't know
anything about how he died...
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But, the real reason
they were talking to me
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was because I had a connection to him
that wasn't just work.
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It was a woman.
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A young woman called Joanna.
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- Who used to...
- I remember Joanna.
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She was a girl, not a woman.
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A young girl.
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A young person.
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Who I am ashamed to tell you now
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that I had a very,
very brief relationship with.
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So sorry, Grace.
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It was 39 years ago,
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but I can't imagine
that makes it any easier to hear now.
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As I say, it was fleeting.
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It was a few weeks at most.
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But it was a shameful thing to do
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and all I can do now is...
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Is beg your forgiveness.
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What year was this?
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1976.
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We only got married the year before.
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It was a terrible mistake.
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And I am so, so sorry.
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So, in June 1973,
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Slater was arrested following a fight
outside a pub in Kentish Town.
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- What'd he get?
- Bound over.
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Victim didn't turn up.
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The victim?
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What was this, it was an assault or...
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Yeah, well, it's... It's confusing.
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The arresting officer
has it down as a fight,
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but it's listed as
an assault in the courts.
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Have you got the name of the plaintiff?
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Yeah, name of Paul Brian West.
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I spoke to his sister.
West himself died five years ago.
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But she said she didn't know anything.
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Oh. OK. Jake?
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Slightly like pulling teeth, guv.
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I've got 50 possible names here,
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hostel residents at Arlingham House
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that might have known Elizabeth Laws
or Erskine,
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and for every single name I've got 30,
40 people with the same name
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and they're all Duncan Morrison
or Wendy Haines or...
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Yeah, OK, OK.
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I suspect it's... It's time we got
a picture of Jimmy into the papers.
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Sunny, will you talk to the DPA?
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Yeah, no problem.
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Murray, any joy with Jo Jo?
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Nothing on the census.
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What about, um, Greaves' phone records?
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All the numbers he rang from his mobile
and his landline are kosher.
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OK, um, will you find out where the,
um, nearest pay phone is to his house.
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And, um, see if BT will provide us with
every number rung from there from...
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When did you call his diocese
for contact details?
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Uh, Monday, pm, just after lunch.
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Yeah, from Monday midday
till midnight same day.
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It's worth a try.
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Robert Greaves had a relationship
with Jimmy Sullivan's girlfriend.
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If Jimmy found out, got mad,
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went round to confront him...
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Who knows where that ended.
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Well, except maybe Jo Jo does.
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Suze, have a look at this, will you?
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It's his scaphoid, which was split,
post-mortem I assumed,
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except when I put
the two bits together...
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That's a hole, isn't it?
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Like something's been driven through it.
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Something like a nail.
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I've seen it a couple of times
before with gangland punishment murders.
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A nail hammered through the hand
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very often a pre-cursor
to other forms of torture.
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All right, thanks.
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You're welcome.
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If Pinion's lies were all
the police have
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I wouldn't be too worried.
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A couple of days ago Gordon Fenwick
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called me from Cyprus
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threatening to go
to the police himself with,
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with some other stuff.
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What other stuff?
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More lies. Details not really important.
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What is important is
what the police might believe.
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And he wants money?
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Of course.
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So what are you going to do?
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Your Turkish friends.
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I might need you to call them for me.
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I'm not talking anything stupid,
just a quiet word.
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For a man like Fenwick,
I suspect that'll be enough.
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Dad, are you sure? That is quite a move.
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Gordon Fenwick could get me put
in jail for murder.
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A murder I had absolutely nothing
to do with.
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We need him to back off.
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And fast.
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Yeah, what I want to know
is if it's possible for you to tell me
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what numbers were called from
this payphone
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from midday on the 23rd
to approximately midnight?
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Brilliant.
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Yeah, great. Yeah.
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You know, I think it was probably
the only fight...
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I ever got into.
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I'd had a skinful
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as I remember
and I think he had as well.
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Right.
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Do you remember what it was about?
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Football.
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I'm afraid. I'm a "blade" for me sins.
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He was a Gooner. I think we'd just...
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Beaten them and one of us
must've said something.
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It all kicked off. Stupid, stupid.
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Really, I mean, put it down
to the impetuosity of youth.
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Hopefully, I've grown up a bit
since then.
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In the court documents it has it down as
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you assaulting him which, uh,
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implies that you started it.
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Then I expect I did.
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I mean, you know, I was drunk, as I say.
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I can't really remember
an awful lot about it. Sorry.
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Yeah, well, my real name's Alan Mackay,
but everyone calls me Mackkie.
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Well, thanks so much
for getting in touch.
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And just so I can be absolutely clear,
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as well as Jimmy I think you said you
knew Vincent Erskine as well?
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Vince? Yeah. And Beth, his girlfriend.
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You knew Elizabeth?
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I did, aye.
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OK, um, Mackkie,
could I come talk to you, please?
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As soon as possible would be good.
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I mean, do you think it was
just a one off, or what?
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I don't know. We didn't get that far.
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But if he could have done it once,
got away with it,
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why shouldn't there have been others.
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Mum, I'm so sorry.
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I am too.
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For you both.
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I mean,
I suppose all you can say is it...
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It was 40 years ago and...
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And what?
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What, you think that makes it better?
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Jesus, it makes it worse.
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Ellie, it's our whole lives.
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Our whole relationship with him
feels like a lie.
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Does it?
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He's... He's still our dad.
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I mean, clearly
he made a terrible mistake, but...
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But, but what?
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I can't believe you're defending him.
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I'm not defending what he did. I'm...
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I'm trying to find a way through this.
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He had sex with a child for God's sake.
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Caz, she was not a child.
She was 17.
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And if he'd have been caught today,
he would go to prison.
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Do you not get that?
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- Of course I get that, but I...
- But what?
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What, they were different times?
Bollocks.
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She was a kid.
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She was one of his congregation.
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He was in a position of power
and he abused it.
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I'm sorry if you think
I am overreacting.
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But, I am scared.
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It makes me ask
what sort of man is he really?
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Why the police are asking
about this boy that was found?
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It makes me ask
what else he could have done.
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It was only her
that stayed at the hostel.
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Elizabeth?
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Erskine wasn't allowed to stay
because he always got into fights.
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Right.
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Anyway, I got talking to him
in the garden one day
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because at that time I was still using.
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I let him spout
his racist rubbish for a bit
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until he started talking
about this black lad
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who he reckoned had some money on him
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and he wanted to know
whether I fancied helping him
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rob the lad that night in his room.
256
00:15:47,739 --> 00:15:50,730
And was this just him
or was Beth there too?
257
00:15:50,818 --> 00:15:52,012
Well...
258
00:15:53,057 --> 00:15:56,526
She was there like, you know,
in the background, but, uh,
259
00:15:56,616 --> 00:15:58,607
not actually part of the conversation.
260
00:15:58,696 --> 00:16:00,288
And so what did you say?
261
00:16:01,135 --> 00:16:04,491
Well, I didn't say much
262
00:16:04,575 --> 00:16:06,451
'cause I didn't want him to know
that, uh,
263
00:16:07,214 --> 00:16:09,681
that Jimmy was actually a,
a good friend of mine.
264
00:16:10,413 --> 00:16:12,210
You know,
obviously I was gonna warn him.
265
00:16:12,293 --> 00:16:13,645
And did you warn him?
266
00:16:13,732 --> 00:16:15,609
I went to look for him but, uh...
267
00:16:18,451 --> 00:16:20,043
Someone offered me some gear.
268
00:16:20,131 --> 00:16:22,564
By the time I was straight again
it was two days later.
269
00:16:23,690 --> 00:16:25,646
I see.
Did you find out if he'd been robbed?
270
00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:29,723
No, I didn't.
271
00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:34,325
In fact I... I never saw Jimmy again.
272
00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,476
Looks just like one of our lads,
doesn't he?
273
00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,348
I remember when, um,
274
00:17:12,438 --> 00:17:15,589
you first suggested
that we should start up the, uh,
275
00:17:16,118 --> 00:17:17,345
football squad.
276
00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:22,464
It wasn't long after Michael had died
and I always thought that
277
00:17:22,556 --> 00:17:24,864
it was your way of
278
00:17:25,915 --> 00:17:27,428
finding some meaning
279
00:17:30,154 --> 00:17:32,349
out of his death.
280
00:17:34,753 --> 00:17:37,028
If you think I killed this boy, Ray...
281
00:17:38,232 --> 00:17:39,585
Just say it.
282
00:17:40,432 --> 00:17:41,989
How can I know, Lizzie?
283
00:17:43,071 --> 00:17:45,027
How could I have
284
00:17:45,111 --> 00:17:48,022
any idea of what you were capable of...
285
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:50,738
...back then?
286
00:17:57,068 --> 00:18:00,184
We stopped at the services
for some supper which was very nice
287
00:18:00,267 --> 00:18:02,622
and, uh, then got back here
about eleven.
288
00:18:02,707 --> 00:18:03,855
Hmm.
And what have you got on today?
289
00:18:03,946 --> 00:18:06,904
Oh, Thursday's lunch club every week.
290
00:18:07,345 --> 00:18:09,176
Lunch club? Why wasn't I invited?
291
00:18:09,385 --> 00:18:11,137
Well, I'll put you down
for next week, so.
292
00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:12,623
Yeah, yeah, I'll be there.
293
00:18:12,944 --> 00:18:14,536
Ah, there a good gang.
294
00:18:14,824 --> 00:18:17,018
I was telling them about you,
you know and...
295
00:18:17,423 --> 00:18:19,573
...about Jimmy coming home and...
296
00:18:20,102 --> 00:18:21,421
They were very happy for me.
297
00:18:21,502 --> 00:18:23,890
He rang her from the call box. Jo Jo.
298
00:18:24,381 --> 00:18:26,099
Her name's Joanna Bridges.
299
00:18:26,741 --> 00:18:28,253
We found Jo Jo.
300
00:18:36,139 --> 00:18:38,015
Tell me how you met Jimmy Sullivan.
301
00:18:39,018 --> 00:18:40,928
I met Jimmy through the church.
302
00:18:41,617 --> 00:18:44,768
Went out with him for maybe six months.
303
00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:48,644
And, oh, this was, um, before or after
your relationship with Father Robert?
304
00:18:49,255 --> 00:18:50,404
After.
305
00:18:50,775 --> 00:18:53,447
So, when, when was your relationship
with Father Robert?
306
00:18:54,614 --> 00:18:57,605
Late 1975 as I remember.
307
00:18:57,693 --> 00:18:58,682
How late?
308
00:18:59,853 --> 00:19:01,843
Just before Christmas.
November, I think.
309
00:19:01,932 --> 00:19:03,968
I mean, it was just a few weeks.
310
00:19:04,052 --> 00:19:07,521
So, Father Robert said to us
that he thought you were, um,
311
00:19:07,931 --> 00:19:11,286
19 or 20 when he met you.
312
00:19:11,370 --> 00:19:14,725
And, so we checked your date of birth
before we came here today
313
00:19:15,209 --> 00:19:18,598
and actually if your affair was in,
314
00:19:18,688 --> 00:19:20,326
um, November '75...
315
00:19:22,448 --> 00:19:24,438
Actually that would've made you 15
316
00:19:25,447 --> 00:19:27,880
when a 28-year-old priest
had sex with you.
317
00:19:28,526 --> 00:19:33,121
You weren't 16 till February 1976.
318
00:19:34,325 --> 00:19:35,757
Maybe I got it the wrong way around.
319
00:19:35,844 --> 00:19:37,482
Maybe it was Jimmy first
and then Robert.
320
00:19:37,564 --> 00:19:40,316
Except we have a diary given to Jimmy
321
00:19:41,643 --> 00:19:45,555
by you in which it says,
"With much love, Jo Jo"
322
00:19:46,442 --> 00:19:48,079
in December '75.
323
00:19:48,601 --> 00:19:51,434
And which suggests that either you did
324
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,669
have under-aged sex with a priest
325
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,509
or at some point after your birthday...
326
00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:01,631
...you were seeing both men.
327
00:20:01,718 --> 00:20:02,946
It was half a lifetime ago.
328
00:20:03,038 --> 00:20:04,710
I mean, what the hell does it matter?
329
00:20:04,798 --> 00:20:06,913
It matters because we think
that Jimmy found out
330
00:20:06,997 --> 00:20:09,113
about Robert Greaves and confronted him.
331
00:20:09,836 --> 00:20:10,951
And that altercation
332
00:20:11,596 --> 00:20:13,392
may have resulted in Jimmy's death.
333
00:20:20,114 --> 00:20:22,024
And what proof have you got of that?
334
00:20:24,833 --> 00:20:27,027
And how credible do you think
he is as a witness?
335
00:20:27,432 --> 00:20:30,343
Very. This guy knew other stuff
I thought only we knew.
336
00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:32,420
What other stuff?
337
00:20:32,871 --> 00:20:35,623
The £50 we think Jimmy borrowed
from Frank Cross.
338
00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:37,029
He knew all about that.
339
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:40,067
And more importantly he knew
what it was for.
340
00:20:40,309 --> 00:20:41,583
Which was?
341
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:42,862
To pay for an abortion.
342
00:20:43,468 --> 00:20:46,346
Jimmy told Alan Mackay
that his girlfriend had fallen pregnant.
343
00:20:46,428 --> 00:20:47,906
And Jimmy was the father?
344
00:20:47,987 --> 00:20:49,500
Why else would he pay for it?
345
00:20:49,667 --> 00:20:50,736
'Cause she said he was.
346
00:20:50,827 --> 00:20:53,215
I'll ask my man exactly
what Jimmy told him.
347
00:20:53,466 --> 00:20:55,297
OK. There's lots to think about.
348
00:20:55,865 --> 00:20:58,459
Let's bring Elizabeth Wilton in ASAP.
349
00:20:58,545 --> 00:20:59,534
Excellent work, Jake.
350
00:21:00,184 --> 00:21:02,334
Murray, any joy with Tommy Pinion?
351
00:21:02,424 --> 00:21:04,857
He said that he'd never seen Cross
352
00:21:04,943 --> 00:21:07,173
put a nail through anyone's hand,
353
00:21:07,263 --> 00:21:09,093
but heard from others that he had.
354
00:21:09,462 --> 00:21:12,533
Well, Dr Rawlins is pretty convinced
that's what it is so,
355
00:21:12,621 --> 00:21:14,054
somebody did it.
356
00:21:14,141 --> 00:21:15,779
We keep the pressure on Cross.
357
00:21:34,096 --> 00:21:35,768
Yes, it's me.
358
00:21:36,376 --> 00:21:38,172
Why did Fenwick send those to you?
359
00:21:38,255 --> 00:21:41,292
Well, I'm guessing
he's already contacted Dad,
360
00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,126
and Dad isn't playing ball.
361
00:21:44,974 --> 00:21:47,567
Well, the man
in those pictures is white.
362
00:21:48,253 --> 00:21:49,686
The lad in the papers was black.
363
00:21:49,773 --> 00:21:52,286
He's still nailing his hand
to a workbench mum.
364
00:21:52,732 --> 00:21:54,562
I'm just saying
365
00:21:54,651 --> 00:21:56,050
there's nothing in these to suggest
366
00:21:56,131 --> 00:21:58,247
he had anything to do
with killing that lad.
367
00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:02,840
Fine, but trust me he doesn't
want the police to see these.
368
00:22:04,089 --> 00:22:07,398
I should also say that the images
obviously depict a crime scene
369
00:22:07,488 --> 00:22:09,956
which, as of now,
I've failed to act upon
370
00:22:10,048 --> 00:22:11,878
so if Fenwick doesn't get what he wants
371
00:22:11,967 --> 00:22:14,242
and he shows his email to me
to the police
372
00:22:14,327 --> 00:22:15,839
we're both screwed.
373
00:22:17,166 --> 00:22:19,122
I'll pay him off. I have before.
374
00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:23,873
Fenwick?
375
00:22:23,964 --> 00:22:24,953
Yes.
376
00:22:26,404 --> 00:22:27,757
How many times?
377
00:22:31,763 --> 00:22:32,751
A few.
378
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,957
It's the police.
379
00:22:50,438 --> 00:22:51,712
Yeah.
380
00:22:53,398 --> 00:22:54,955
Yeah, me too.
381
00:22:57,117 --> 00:22:59,027
So, what time did you get in?
382
00:23:04,395 --> 00:23:05,714
Yeah...
383
00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:09,503
Hey, mum.
384
00:23:13,953 --> 00:23:15,908
Hello, my lovely son.
385
00:23:15,992 --> 00:23:18,142
How completely gorgeous to see you.
386
00:23:18,232 --> 00:23:20,062
Tell me you're staying for months.
387
00:23:22,351 --> 00:23:26,025
Well, have you any actual proof
other than Pinion's fantasies
388
00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:29,146
that I did anything like this
to Jimmy Sullivan?
389
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:31,343
We have a wound
390
00:23:31,428 --> 00:23:34,704
on Jimmy's hand that's entirely
consistent with such an assault.
391
00:23:36,467 --> 00:23:38,662
But nothing connecting that to me.
392
00:23:39,507 --> 00:23:40,780
Not yet.
393
00:23:41,426 --> 00:23:43,257
But I sense we're getting closer,
don't you?
394
00:23:47,425 --> 00:23:49,255
So, we'll probably go
to Faliraki now.
395
00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,653
Nige's brother's got a bar there
and he said me and Belter
396
00:23:51,744 --> 00:23:53,893
can have a room if we do
three nights a week bar work.
397
00:23:53,983 --> 00:23:56,338
Mind you, that's if Belter
sorts out his teeth.
398
00:23:56,423 --> 00:23:58,458
His girlfriend smacked him in the
mouth with a table tennis bat
399
00:23:58,542 --> 00:23:59,657
'cause he cracked a joke about her arse.
400
00:24:01,421 --> 00:24:02,410
What?
401
00:24:03,621 --> 00:24:04,815
Keep going.
402
00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:06,932
Why are you smiling like that?
403
00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:09,058
Because I love you.
404
00:24:09,339 --> 00:24:12,012
Just keep talking.
Just keep telling me stuff.
405
00:24:13,299 --> 00:24:15,368
Well, anyway,
406
00:24:15,458 --> 00:24:18,767
he's gonna have two implants now
and Nige says he should go to India.
407
00:24:18,857 --> 00:24:21,815
His dad got eight new teeth in Delhi
for less than a grand.
408
00:24:22,256 --> 00:24:23,484
I mean, his mouth doesn't shut properly,
409
00:24:23,576 --> 00:24:27,363
but his missus says keeping his mouth
shut was never a core skill anyway.
410
00:24:27,455 --> 00:24:30,810
Plus ca change as Proust would say.
You want fried bread with this?
411
00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:12,318
Yo, Curtis, fam.
412
00:25:13,164 --> 00:25:14,279
Call me.
413
00:25:21,762 --> 00:25:22,877
Dad.
414
00:25:24,562 --> 00:25:25,835
Up here.
415
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,271
I don't know what to say.
416
00:25:38,478 --> 00:25:42,026
I'd hoped that mum didn't feel
that she had to tell you now.
417
00:25:42,157 --> 00:25:43,829
She told us 'cause of the wedding.
418
00:25:43,957 --> 00:25:45,470
Oh, no, sweetheart, please.
419
00:25:45,557 --> 00:25:47,433
Surely this doesn't affect the wedding?
420
00:25:47,516 --> 00:25:50,110
It's a celebration
of the sanctity of marriage.
421
00:25:51,595 --> 00:25:53,267
Conducted by you.
422
00:25:55,914 --> 00:25:57,791
It was a terrible thing to do.
423
00:25:58,274 --> 00:26:00,025
I completely accept that.
424
00:26:00,113 --> 00:26:03,900
But it was one mistake 40 years ago
425
00:26:04,552 --> 00:26:07,349
in an otherwise very, very
happy marriage.
426
00:26:08,751 --> 00:26:10,070
One mistake.
427
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,698
And was it?
428
00:26:14,110 --> 00:26:15,304
Really?
429
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:18,148
Well, yes, of course.
430
00:26:18,869 --> 00:26:20,347
There was no one else.
431
00:26:20,428 --> 00:26:22,146
I don't mean with women. I mean...
432
00:26:27,507 --> 00:26:29,303
It's a police investigation.
433
00:26:29,386 --> 00:26:31,695
Oh, my darling, no, no. Please.
434
00:26:33,265 --> 00:26:34,459
Please,
435
00:26:35,185 --> 00:26:37,493
don't ask me if I killed that poor boy.
436
00:26:38,464 --> 00:26:39,453
Please,
437
00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:42,415
don't make me answer that.
438
00:26:44,263 --> 00:26:45,456
Please.
439
00:26:50,661 --> 00:26:51,650
Yes.
440
00:26:53,021 --> 00:26:54,169
We robbed him.
441
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,415
- Of his £50?
- Yes.
442
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,291
So, everything that you told us before,
443
00:27:03,378 --> 00:27:06,335
that you have no recollection
of ever having met him?
444
00:27:07,217 --> 00:27:08,411
That was a lie?
445
00:27:08,817 --> 00:27:09,886
Yes.
446
00:27:13,296 --> 00:27:15,047
I've wished I could forget him.
447
00:27:16,335 --> 00:27:18,053
Every single day of my life.
448
00:27:20,654 --> 00:27:23,042
So, can you tell me how Jimmy died?
449
00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:28,003
I wouldn't for one second
expect you to believe me,
450
00:27:29,372 --> 00:27:30,566
but no.
451
00:27:31,891 --> 00:27:35,486
When I left the room with the money,
Jimmy was fine.
452
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:41,408
- Erskine was still in there.
- Yes.
453
00:27:43,449 --> 00:27:46,087
And did, um, he have
any weapon with him?
454
00:27:46,608 --> 00:27:48,121
No, not that I recall.
455
00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:49,196
OK.
456
00:27:50,207 --> 00:27:51,276
So where did you go?
457
00:27:51,367 --> 00:27:53,322
Outside to wait for him.
458
00:27:55,286 --> 00:27:57,879
And, how long did he take to come down?
459
00:28:00,045 --> 00:28:03,719
Not long, maybe 30 seconds behind me.
460
00:28:04,004 --> 00:28:04,993
OK.
461
00:28:07,563 --> 00:28:09,315
And what did he say?
462
00:28:09,882 --> 00:28:11,201
When he came down.
463
00:28:11,562 --> 00:28:13,200
He was laughing.
464
00:28:14,161 --> 00:28:17,437
Said Jimmy was a feisty little bastard.
465
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,032
Did he have any blood on him?
466
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,518
I don't think so.
467
00:28:24,199 --> 00:28:25,837
But he might've done. I...
468
00:28:26,558 --> 00:28:29,470
I was very drunk so certain details...
469
00:28:31,317 --> 00:28:35,104
You obviously thought
so little of this young man
470
00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:37,949
that you were able to rob him
in his bed.
471
00:28:38,796 --> 00:28:43,584
And yet your name and number were
written down by him in his diary.
472
00:28:44,954 --> 00:28:46,353
How did that happen?
473
00:28:47,633 --> 00:28:49,510
When I first met Jimmy
474
00:28:50,233 --> 00:28:53,622
it was during a period
when I tried to split up with Erskine.
475
00:28:54,672 --> 00:28:58,107
It only lasted a few weeks before he got
me back, but in that time
476
00:28:59,911 --> 00:29:02,060
I stopped drinking, I got clean.
477
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:05,578
And Jimmy and I got to know
each other a bit.
478
00:29:08,748 --> 00:29:10,739
And I gave him my number
479
00:29:11,588 --> 00:29:13,066
'cause I hoped...
480
00:29:17,786 --> 00:29:19,105
Just like...
481
00:29:21,465 --> 00:29:23,695
...in the few weeks
when I'd been straight...
482
00:29:27,384 --> 00:29:33,015
...that he'd carry on helping
to teach me to read and write.
483
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:45,573
What'd you expect, love?
484
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:47,968
Guv. It might be nothing,
485
00:29:49,419 --> 00:29:50,851
but I was checking out the pub
486
00:29:50,938 --> 00:29:53,213
that Eric Slater and Paul West
got arrested outside.
487
00:29:53,298 --> 00:29:54,492
- The assault.
- Yeah.
488
00:29:54,578 --> 00:29:57,887
Don't know that it's significant,
but it was a gay pub.
489
00:29:58,497 --> 00:30:00,805
It has been since, well,
490
00:30:00,896 --> 00:30:02,454
since the '60s.
491
00:30:10,174 --> 00:30:12,971
So if we forget him committing
the ever so slightly illegal offence
492
00:30:13,053 --> 00:30:14,042
of threatening to kill Fenwick...
493
00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:15,646
He never said that, Bella.
494
00:30:15,733 --> 00:30:17,370
Maybe the only other serious option
495
00:30:17,452 --> 00:30:20,090
is to persuade him to go
to the police himself with the photos.
496
00:30:20,171 --> 00:30:22,605
If the police see those photos it's not
going to be good for him, is it?
497
00:30:23,491 --> 00:30:24,809
Probably not, no.
498
00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:27,929
So, what's the minimum term for murder?
499
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:29,761
It's a mandatory life sentence.
500
00:30:29,849 --> 00:30:32,885
In a case like this
he'd serve at least 15 years.
501
00:30:33,368 --> 00:30:35,518
So he'd not get out
until he was in his 80s?
502
00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:37,720
If in fact he...
503
00:30:37,807 --> 00:30:39,638
In fact, he might not even
make it that far.
504
00:30:39,727 --> 00:30:41,079
It would effectively widow Mum.
505
00:30:41,166 --> 00:30:42,679
Except, what if he did it?
506
00:30:44,126 --> 00:30:47,242
Because to me, never mind
that it was 40 years ago
507
00:30:47,325 --> 00:30:49,792
or who or what he is now
or that he's our dad,
508
00:30:49,884 --> 00:30:53,035
if he did it, he has to be punished.
509
00:30:56,003 --> 00:30:57,356
Doesn't he?
510
00:30:58,602 --> 00:30:59,671
Hi.
511
00:30:59,762 --> 00:31:00,751
Thank you.
512
00:31:01,202 --> 00:31:02,395
Thanks.
513
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,349
Thanks.
514
00:31:27,156 --> 00:31:28,190
Curtis?
515
00:31:28,515 --> 00:31:29,550
Curtis?
516
00:31:30,395 --> 00:31:31,544
Where you going, mate?
517
00:31:31,834 --> 00:31:32,823
Home.
518
00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:34,503
Really?
519
00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:38,344
Thought you were smarter than that.
Actually missing an exam?
520
00:31:38,673 --> 00:31:42,028
So, you're gonna through away
three years of hard work, are you?
521
00:31:42,392 --> 00:31:43,427
Just like that?
522
00:31:43,512 --> 00:31:45,422
If you think it'll really
piss her off, yeah.
523
00:31:46,151 --> 00:31:49,745
Sorry, are you talking about the woman
who took you into our house, fed you,
524
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:50,939
treated you like her son?
525
00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:52,667
I've already got one fucked up mum!
526
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:55,257
- I don't need another!
- You little shit!
527
00:32:00,508 --> 00:32:01,940
Curtis.
528
00:32:03,107 --> 00:32:04,904
I'm sorry, Curtis. I...
529
00:32:05,906 --> 00:32:07,305
I'm sorry.
530
00:32:08,546 --> 00:32:11,981
Elizabeth Wilton you've been charged
with assault and the intent to rob
531
00:32:12,065 --> 00:32:15,056
under section 8 of the Theft Act 1968.
532
00:32:15,144 --> 00:32:16,623
You don't have to say anything,
533
00:32:16,704 --> 00:32:19,058
but it may harm your defence if you
do not mention now anything
534
00:32:19,143 --> 00:32:20,292
you later rely on in court.
535
00:32:20,383 --> 00:32:22,612
Anything you do say may be
given in evidence.
536
00:32:23,302 --> 00:32:24,894
You understand the charge?
537
00:32:27,101 --> 00:32:28,136
Yes.
538
00:32:29,421 --> 00:32:30,978
I remember the assault.
539
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:33,732
He was devastated by it.
540
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:37,497
- But it was an assault, not a fight?
- Yeah.
541
00:32:37,659 --> 00:32:40,218
- Eric Slater attacked your brother?
- Yes.
542
00:32:41,098 --> 00:32:42,167
Will you tell me why?
543
00:32:44,737 --> 00:32:46,455
Because of where he was drinking.
544
00:32:47,816 --> 00:32:49,215
Because of what he was.
545
00:32:49,696 --> 00:32:51,573
- He was gay?
- Yes.
546
00:32:53,375 --> 00:32:55,127
Do you know why he didn't
turn up at court?
547
00:32:55,495 --> 00:32:58,372
Because if he did come out...
548
00:33:02,213 --> 00:33:05,443
The idea that being gay was such
a shameful thing...
549
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:09,284
I'm not sure many people
understand that now but,
550
00:33:11,131 --> 00:33:12,768
he'd have lost his job.
551
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:16,082
Most people told him that
what he was was disgusting.
552
00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:19,361
And, let me tell you, he was convinced
553
00:33:20,569 --> 00:33:23,321
that if that police officer
hadn't been passing,
554
00:33:25,567 --> 00:33:27,637
Eric Slater would've have
beaten him to death.
555
00:33:34,165 --> 00:33:36,838
So, Eric Slater,
556
00:33:37,565 --> 00:33:40,203
violently assaults a gay man
557
00:33:41,004 --> 00:33:42,914
a year or so before Jimmy was killed.
558
00:33:43,003 --> 00:33:45,198
- According to her.
- Right, yes, according to her.
559
00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:48,234
'Cause there's nothing, absolutely
nothing that we've learned about Jimmy
560
00:33:48,442 --> 00:33:49,875
that suggests he was gay.
561
00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:52,038
And, now if we're saying that his murder
562
00:33:52,121 --> 00:33:54,316
was some sort of
homophobia motivated thing...
563
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,068
Look, you better call the girls.
564
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,196
We need to talk to Slater again.
565
00:34:10,437 --> 00:34:11,506
Forget her, man.
566
00:34:12,356 --> 00:34:13,869
I mean, what's she think you are?
567
00:34:14,996 --> 00:34:16,986
Some sort of tame little coconut.
568
00:34:23,234 --> 00:34:24,746
That,
569
00:34:25,713 --> 00:34:26,907
ain't you, fam.
570
00:34:28,193 --> 00:34:30,262
It's what she wants you to be.
571
00:34:31,272 --> 00:34:32,625
You should chuck it out, man.
572
00:34:35,671 --> 00:34:37,023
I ain't no coconut, man.
573
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:03,608
- Thanks, mate.
- Cheers.
574
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:05,844
Mr Slater,
575
00:36:06,569 --> 00:36:08,525
sorry to disturb you,
you're obviously busy.
576
00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:09,957
Is your father around?
577
00:36:10,408 --> 00:36:12,080
Just need to have another quick chat.
578
00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,237
Like a bad penny, you lot.
579
00:36:22,645 --> 00:36:24,954
I don't care what he told his sister.
That's not what happened.
580
00:36:25,045 --> 00:36:27,683
Right, so, this wasn't
an unprovoked attack?
581
00:36:27,764 --> 00:36:29,197
It's what I said it was.
582
00:36:29,724 --> 00:36:33,477
So, you've never had any problems
with gay men?
583
00:36:35,042 --> 00:36:36,157
No.
584
00:36:37,402 --> 00:36:39,074
His sister
585
00:36:39,321 --> 00:36:41,073
told us that you were
waiting for him outside.
586
00:36:41,161 --> 00:36:42,913
No, I was drinking in the pub.
587
00:36:43,041 --> 00:36:45,315
- And you knew it was a gay club.
- No idea.
588
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,918
All right, so,
589
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,633
you didn't notice that it was
an entirely male clientele
590
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:51,992
when you went in?
591
00:36:52,078 --> 00:36:55,150
I've absolutely no idea
if I did or I didn't.
592
00:36:55,238 --> 00:36:59,150
This was the '70s. Most pubs
were pretty exclusively full of men.
593
00:36:59,237 --> 00:37:02,194
So, why do you think he told his sister
that you were waiting for him outside?
594
00:37:02,276 --> 00:37:03,311
I don't know.
595
00:37:03,516 --> 00:37:04,914
You know, as I say,
596
00:37:04,995 --> 00:37:07,907
he was fairly drunk as well.
Maybe he just got it wrong.
597
00:37:07,995 --> 00:37:09,871
Or she's mistaking this fight
for another attack.
598
00:37:09,954 --> 00:37:12,024
Or she's remembered it wrongly.
I don't know.
599
00:37:13,153 --> 00:37:14,745
Think back 40 years.
600
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:17,107
Think of something significant
that happened to you.
601
00:37:17,192 --> 00:37:19,308
How much detail can you remember now?
602
00:37:19,952 --> 00:37:22,067
It... It's a lifetime ago.
603
00:37:22,151 --> 00:37:23,550
She's remembered it wrong.
604
00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:29,305
Did you ever wonder whether
605
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:31,387
- Jimmy Sullivan was gay?
- Who?
606
00:37:32,269 --> 00:37:33,463
Jimmy?
607
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:35,420
Why would I have thought that?
608
00:37:35,668 --> 00:37:39,819
The last time you were here
we were talking about his girlfriend.
609
00:37:40,987 --> 00:37:42,578
We didn't mention his girlfriend.
610
00:37:43,226 --> 00:37:44,295
Nor did you.
611
00:37:44,786 --> 00:37:46,582
Jo Jo. We talked about her.
612
00:37:46,745 --> 00:37:49,259
Only in connection with Robert Greaves.
613
00:37:49,705 --> 00:37:50,898
Yeah.
614
00:37:51,464 --> 00:37:52,738
Yeah, well, I...
615
00:37:52,864 --> 00:37:57,379
I assumed you already knew
that she and Jimmy had a thing.
616
00:37:57,463 --> 00:37:58,691
Why would you have assumed that?
617
00:38:00,222 --> 00:38:02,656
Why would you have not mentioned
what is clearly
618
00:38:02,902 --> 00:38:04,937
a very important piece of information?
619
00:38:06,141 --> 00:38:08,449
Unless you were trying
to steer our focus
620
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:10,379
towards Robert Greaves.
621
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:15,487
I don't know.
622
00:38:16,178 --> 00:38:18,646
I'm sorry. I'm old, like I said.
623
00:38:18,898 --> 00:38:22,287
This is all ancient history.
I forget stuff but, uh,
624
00:38:23,017 --> 00:38:25,007
please, trust me.
625
00:38:25,576 --> 00:38:28,772
You're... You're way, way off beam here.
626
00:38:33,414 --> 00:38:34,688
So,
627
00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:37,404
- what do you think?
- I believed him.
628
00:38:37,973 --> 00:38:39,122
Yeah, me too.
629
00:38:40,093 --> 00:38:43,562
This case is like trying to
grab hold of fog.
630
00:38:45,292 --> 00:38:48,249
I don't know, maybe you were right.
Maybe it was all just too long ago.
631
00:38:48,331 --> 00:38:50,286
- No.
- 'Cause this feels slightly insane.
632
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:52,088
Trying to find some
sort of truth in that,
633
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,206
in people's utterly fucked memories.
634
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:57,603
We'll get there, Guv.
635
00:39:05,727 --> 00:39:06,954
Dad.
636
00:39:08,526 --> 00:39:11,801
- All right?
- Yeah, fine. You OK?
637
00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:14,116
Yeah, fine.
638
00:39:15,484 --> 00:39:16,837
Come on then, dopey!
639
00:39:17,244 --> 00:39:19,393
Let's get this party started.
640
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,030
I know it's only small but...
641
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:40,668
No, it's lovely. Thank you.
642
00:39:42,358 --> 00:39:44,110
It's just what I need.
643
00:39:47,317 --> 00:39:48,511
I just, um...
644
00:39:48,756 --> 00:39:52,271
You absolutely don't need to tell me
anything, anything at all. But I just...
645
00:39:53,915 --> 00:39:57,623
I want you to know that if you did want
someone to talk to.
646
00:39:58,194 --> 00:39:59,309
Thank you.
647
00:40:00,114 --> 00:40:02,069
I might just take you up
on that some time.
648
00:40:05,153 --> 00:40:07,382
Well, I'll let you get settled in.
649
00:40:08,752 --> 00:40:10,946
Oh, um, there's one bit of good news.
650
00:40:11,671 --> 00:40:14,423
The police have found some CCTV footage
651
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:17,866
of someone entering the community hall
at the time of the burglary.
652
00:40:18,669 --> 00:40:21,229
They reckon they've got a pretty good
screen grab of his face.
653
00:40:21,469 --> 00:40:23,345
They've asked me
to go down there tomorrow
654
00:40:23,468 --> 00:40:25,379
to see if I recognise him
from the estate.
655
00:40:26,987 --> 00:40:28,466
Which is good, isn't it?
656
00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:30,579
Yes, yes.
657
00:40:37,865 --> 00:40:40,822
Sandy, let me introduce you
to Gary Stevens.
658
00:40:40,984 --> 00:40:42,702
Gary was my boss at Anderson's.
659
00:40:42,784 --> 00:40:45,058
He was the only man
in the whole building
660
00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:46,861
who had two secretaries.
661
00:40:46,943 --> 00:40:48,455
One for each knee.
662
00:40:49,902 --> 00:40:51,460
Get yourselves a drink.
663
00:41:01,339 --> 00:41:03,534
How about a rosé, Mum? Hm?
664
00:41:04,019 --> 00:41:05,690
Half a glass won't do you any harm.
665
00:41:06,418 --> 00:41:08,295
Why are we celebrating?
666
00:41:10,377 --> 00:41:13,015
It's your... It's your 45th
wedding anniversary, Mum.
667
00:41:14,056 --> 00:41:15,375
No, I know that.
668
00:41:15,456 --> 00:41:17,446
But why are we celebrating?
669
00:41:54,687 --> 00:41:58,998
Right, in conclusion, let me
just say that a marriage,
670
00:41:59,206 --> 00:42:00,797
it's a bit like a house.
671
00:42:01,085 --> 00:42:04,554
You don't just build it and let it
look after itself.
672
00:42:04,644 --> 00:42:07,874
It needs constant maintenance.
673
00:42:08,283 --> 00:42:09,955
Doesn't it, sweetheart?
674
00:42:10,043 --> 00:42:13,318
And, yes, and maybe her plumbing's not
what it once was,
675
00:42:13,402 --> 00:42:17,633
and, uh, my guttering, well,
that could do with a good jet hose.
676
00:42:17,801 --> 00:42:21,315
But the foundations are rock solid.
677
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,798
So, if you will, raise your glasses
to my beloved and I.
678
00:42:25,879 --> 00:42:28,347
Here's to another 45 years!
679
00:42:28,439 --> 00:42:29,837
Hooray!
680
00:42:29,958 --> 00:42:31,232
Forty-five years!
681
00:42:59,671 --> 00:43:01,150
Mum.
682
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:05,105
Mum!
683
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:06,944
Mum.
684
00:43:08,149 --> 00:43:11,663
Maybe I felt I'd already put so much in,
685
00:43:13,348 --> 00:43:14,906
to our new life here.
686
00:43:15,147 --> 00:43:17,183
With you boys and finding
this lovely house,
687
00:43:17,267 --> 00:43:19,416
and making all our new friends.
688
00:43:19,706 --> 00:43:21,662
I didn't want to give it all up
just like that.
689
00:43:21,746 --> 00:43:23,542
Mum, I don't know
what you're talking about.
690
00:43:23,625 --> 00:43:24,614
Come on, let's get you in.
It's raining.
691
00:43:24,705 --> 00:43:25,854
And then he had his accident,
692
00:43:25,945 --> 00:43:28,777
and so he wouldn't be able to hurt
anyone any more anyway.
693
00:43:30,144 --> 00:43:31,133
Sorry?
694
00:43:31,224 --> 00:43:33,498
I think I just tried to
bury it all, Les.
695
00:43:33,583 --> 00:43:35,733
What did you say? You said,
"Hurt anyone". What do you mean?
696
00:43:35,823 --> 00:43:39,132
And now with my head the way it is and
the police asking all these questions.
697
00:43:39,422 --> 00:43:41,855
It's all starting to swirl around
in my head.
698
00:43:42,381 --> 00:43:44,451
And the problem is that I,
699
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:48,650
I've absolutely no idea
what's real and what isn't.
700
00:44:06,775 --> 00:44:08,128
Lizzie!
701
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:32,242
Yeah, there, there was stuff
he did back then.
702
00:44:32,409 --> 00:44:35,525
Rumours I'd hear.
Just stuff we never talked about.
703
00:44:38,568 --> 00:44:42,242
Belle, I don't know what to do
if the police start asking me questions.
704
00:44:42,927 --> 00:44:44,279
What do I say?
705
00:44:54,364 --> 00:44:56,002
Hungry?
706
00:45:04,362 --> 00:45:06,670
- I'll see you when I get back.
- Yeah, OK.
707
00:45:06,761 --> 00:45:08,240
I haven't spoken to the guv yet.
708
00:45:08,321 --> 00:45:09,992
- You know when she'll be back?
- No, she's with me now.
709
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,274
- OK.
- Yeah.
710
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,799
- See you then.
- OK, cheers.
711
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:16,595
Call just came into the CID office.
712
00:45:20,518 --> 00:45:21,950
Looks like we've got another victim.
713
00:45:24,897 --> 00:45:32,895
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