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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,010 --> 00:00:03,190 David Walker died as a result of a single stab wound. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:04,670 We're looking for his killer. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,470 I don't recognise him, I'm afraid. 4 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:08,790 Do you think there's a chance that he was a client 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,310 when you worked as a prostitute? 6 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,590 Please say you don't need to tell anyone this. 7 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,390 I'm trying to think of other reasons 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,550 why a man would have a prostitute's address. 9 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,470 It's the same conversation a wife would have with her husband. 10 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,470 We didn't row and it didn't get out of hand 11 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,310 and I didn't accidentally kill him. 12 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,350 This travel card was found in an office desk of his. 13 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,430 That definitely a six, or could it be a zero? 14 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,390 I didn't ring Zoe's parents, sweetheart. 15 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,990 I would never do something like that. 16 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,270 I just thought your temper issues were so in the past. 17 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,310 - How much? - £5,000. 18 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,750 If we tell Janet, we could lose Flo. 19 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,550 Sorry, no. No idea. 20 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,670 I was working in the city at the time, so... 21 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,790 - As a lawyer? - Banker, I'm afraid. 22 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,750 I've spoken to the friend again about David's problems. 23 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,950 He said he'd been abused at his primary school by a teacher. 24 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,040 ♪ All we do is hide away 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,440 ♪ All we do is, all we do is hide away 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,680 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,070 ♪ All we do is, all we do is lie and wait 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,790 ♪ I've been upside-down 29 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,430 ♪ I don't wanna be the right way round 30 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,960 ♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪ 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,470 So, if David was at primary school in the mid-'50s, 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,750 we'd be looking at a possible abuser who's, what, in their... 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,750 - early 80s now? - Which obviously rules out any of the people we're currently talking to. 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,350 Unless the murder was committed on behalf of the abuser. 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,630 What, the primary school teacher ordered a hit? 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,270 Walker allegedly confronted him 25 years later. 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,510 The teacher could have been anything by then. 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,270 And with everything to lose if David had gone to the police. 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,590 Well, look, let's keep an open mind about that. 40 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,830 OK, so, Colin Osborne, 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,830 he worked at Klein Egerton in the late '80s, but then he leaves... 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,070 very suddenly. It's only about a month or so before David died. 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,270 Now, it's probably a complete coincidence, 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,190 - but can you speak to them, please? - Yeah. 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,270 And then Sara Alazi, so, she says 46 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,440 that she was living in Rome between erm... March and December 1990. 47 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,110 Can you speak to the border agency and see if... 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,150 how we can confirm that? 49 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,190 - Yeah. - Well, I think... 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,910 Yeah, that's it. 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Thanks, everyone, go home now... and sleep. 52 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,310 OK, listen, tell you what, you put your pyjamas on, brush your teeth, 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,270 I'll be back upstairs in two minutes, 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,120 you show me what a big grown-up girl you are, OK? Good girl. 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,580 One other option. 56 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:18,980 You let him go to the police... 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,510 .. and then you just deny it. 58 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,470 You're a lawyer, he's a drug addict 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,350 who's just had his stepdaughter taken away from him. 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,350 Why on Earth would the police believe a word he says? 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,270 And what if there was CCTV in the supermarket car park, 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,320 - or another witness... - We could easily check the CC... - No. 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,790 Sorry. 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,640 But... this is the simplest way. 65 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,960 I love you. 66 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,560 And have you told me everything, Col? 67 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,950 - What do you mean? - That thing you do... 68 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,280 .. that you've always done. 69 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,310 That part of you you keep from me. 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,200 I've told you everything, I promise. 71 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,040 Coming, ready or not. 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 Tess, I think we should postpone the holiday. 73 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,150 - Why? - I just think none of us are in the right frame of mind, 74 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,350 - you won't be able to relax and... - Why would I not be able to relax? 75 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,910 - Because of what's happening at your work. - Work's fine. 76 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,470 Why would I not be able to relax? 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Do you know what he said to her before we arrived? 78 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,910 - About wanting to hurt someone? - Listen... 79 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,430 Jason is angry and confused. 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,150 And I get that, of course I do, 81 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,230 and you also have to get how that might spook a 15-year-old. 82 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,910 Well, yeah, maybe, until her dad very quickly reassured her that 83 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,270 Jason is simply trying to process an incredibly traumatic event. 84 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,270 And that, actually, he is the gentlest... 85 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,560 kindest man in the world, which obviously you did, yeah? 86 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,910 Sure. 87 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,440 Yeah. Good. 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,670 And are you OK? 89 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,390 Ch... 90 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,710 I'm as fine as a woman 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,510 who's just learnt her late husband was murdered is ever gonna be. 92 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Paul, you don't seem to be really understanding that. 93 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Well, no. 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,710 No, I have to admit I am finding certain things a little surprising. 95 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,830 Oh, right. Well, what things are those? 96 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,950 Well, this all happened nearly 30 years ago, 97 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,200 it's another lifetime ago... 98 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,670 .. but it seems to be really affecting you. 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,430 Oh, right, OK. And there's a manual, is there, 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,350 on how to deal with something like this? 101 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,190 Am I not following the manual, Paul? 102 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,110 I don't know, but... 103 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,990 .. I have to admit, you are... 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,880 beginning to ever-so-slightly scare me. 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,230 Scare you? 106 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,980 And I'm wondering if there's anything you need to tell me. 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,320 No. 108 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,340 There's nothing I need to tell you. 109 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,060 Sara, how nice to see you. 110 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,760 Is everything OK? Sara? 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,200 Hello. 112 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,320 I'll come down. Thank you. 113 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,390 - Jason? - Hi. 114 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,310 Hi, er... I'm DCI Cassie Stuart, 115 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,670 I'm leading the investigation into your father's death. 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,660 Can I just say how sorry I am for your loss? 117 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,860 Erm... thank you. 118 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,110 Would... Would you like to erm... 119 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,550 go and find somewhere a bit more private? 120 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,600 No, I just... I just wanted to know when I could visit him. 121 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Right. 122 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Are you really sure that's a good idea? 123 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,750 He's my dad. 124 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,540 No, I understand. 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Better surely to... remember him how he was. 126 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Except I don't... hardly... 127 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,470 .. remember him how he was. 128 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,830 I mean, my mum made me a memory box after he went, 129 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,350 with lots of stuff of his in it... 130 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,350 .. and there's a jumper in it that I used to smell to remind me of him. 131 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,270 Except it's gone now, the smell. 132 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,460 I used it all up, I guess. 133 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,030 And I actually need to... see him. 134 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,680 I just... I just wanna be with him. 135 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,380 OK? I want to say goodbye. 136 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,840 Can you leave this with me? 137 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Have you got a number I can call you back on? 138 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,070 Yeah, erm... use the mobile. 139 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,220 Right. I'll come back to you as soon as I can. 140 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,710 Thank you, DCI Stuart. 141 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,600 Cassie, please, and really, there's no need for thanks. 142 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,840 All right, see you. 143 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,590 And what year would that have been, Mr Gregory? 144 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,150 Er... well, from when he was about seven 145 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,430 till when the teacher left... about a year later. 146 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,550 - So, that would be, what, 1958,'59? - Roughly. 147 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,750 - Did Mr Walker give you the teacher's name? - No. 148 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Or if he did tell me, I don't remember it. 149 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,630 Sorry to ask this, but did he ever 150 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,670 give you any specific details about the abuse? 151 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,880 It was bad. Proper... 152 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,920 .. rape and stuff. 153 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,350 Did he ever report it? I mean, is there any record of it? 154 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,270 As far as I know, he told no-one. 155 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,910 I mean... kids just didn't then, did they? Just kept it all in. 156 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,950 Now, you said to a colleague of mine that you... 157 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,270 "often thought it was why he lived his life the way he did." 158 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,350 - What did you mean by that? - The women... 159 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,760 the drink and drugs to blot it all out, all that... 160 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 - .. shame and guilt. - So, he had drug issues? 161 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,790 Yeah, you could say that. 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,350 And did he have relationships outside his marriage? 163 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Yes, he... he did have affairs... 164 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,300 .. but mainly I was talking about prostitutes. 165 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,110 - Right. - In fact, that's kind of why we stopped seeing each other. 166 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,710 I wasn't remotely interested in that sort of thing 167 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,070 and we just kind of drifted apart. 168 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,320 - And this was when? - Mid-'80s, I guess. 169 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,750 But then in about '87, 170 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,100 he rang me, out of the blue, and we hooked up again. 171 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,870 We went out for a beer a few times, 172 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,230 which was when he told me about Firdown, 173 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,910 the school where it all happened. 174 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,510 Do you happen to know if he ever told his wife about 175 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:03,390 the things that happened to him there? 176 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,790 He told me he'd never been able to. 177 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,190 For whatever reason, the only people he ever spoke to about it 178 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,040 were me and... when he tracked him down, the teacher himself. 179 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,910 So you know for a fact that he actually spoke to him? 180 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,270 He found out where he lived, went to his house. 181 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,750 - And what did the teacher say? - Denied it all, of course. 182 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Then got abusive... then threatened him. 183 00:12:02,020 --> 00:12:05,620 My PA was meant to have called you, I'm so sorry, total cock-up. 184 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:09,340 But my hands are tied, Tess. 185 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,410 If you have access to any intelligence relating to the investigation, 186 00:12:13,460 --> 00:12:15,930 and it turned out that you were... 187 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,440 .. in some way... 188 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:22,540 So, you can take a back-office role. 189 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:27,300 HR, training, or take some time off, take some leave. 190 00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:34,140 I'll stay. 191 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:44,500 This was him about a year before he died. 192 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:49,260 No, I don't recognise him, I'm afraid. Sorry. 193 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:56,650 So, can you think of any reason 194 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:01,180 erm... why this address might have been written on a travel card... 195 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:04,850 .. found in his office desk? 196 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:06,220 Ooh. 197 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:11,810 - Absolutely no idea. - When did you say he died? 198 00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:15,340 We think some time in about early May 1990. 199 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:18,770 Well, maybe the person that wrote this 200 00:13:18,820 --> 00:13:21,250 just wrote down the wrong address. 201 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,300 Well, that's certainly a very real possibility. 202 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:30,410 So, can I just check if anyone else was living here in 1990? 203 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:34,700 Oh, it would have been just me and my husband. He's passed away now. 204 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:40,090 Hang on. When was that time Daddy and I were in America 205 00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:42,140 and Marion broke in? 206 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:50,570 Mum was winding me up and I knew it'd annoy the arse off her 207 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:54,220 to tell her that you meant more to me than her, so I did. 208 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:58,090 Which is very sweet of you, Zoe, and you mean an awful lot to me, too, 209 00:13:58,140 --> 00:14:01,080 but all I'm saying, all anyone is saying... 210 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:04,610 .. is we just need to keep that relationship professional 211 00:14:04,660 --> 00:14:07,460 and within the boundaries of the hospital. 212 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:11,500 Soz. 213 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:25,130 - I owe you an apology. - What for? 214 00:14:25,180 --> 00:14:28,170 It was Zoe who told her parents about the phone conversation. 215 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:31,700 Oh, right, not a problem. Listen, that's not why I'm calling. 216 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:35,640 A police officer's just been round here. 217 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:39,490 - Sorry? - Yeah, she'd already been round to your mum's, 218 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:42,140 and then Elise gave her our address. 219 00:14:43,660 --> 00:14:46,810 - What did she want? - She said she was investigating an historic crime 220 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:50,260 and that she wanted to ask you a couple of questions. 221 00:14:54,540 --> 00:14:57,530 She didn't tell me anything more than that, so I rang Elise. 222 00:14:57,580 --> 00:14:59,810 She said she'd been trying to get hold of you 223 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:01,970 but your mobile went straight to voicemail. 224 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:04,370 - I was on the ward. - But Elise said she'd told her 225 00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:07,780 that it was about a murder dating back to 1990. 226 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:11,880 They've only just found the body apparently. 227 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:17,810 So, her married name is Kelsey, but she was single in 1990, 228 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:20,090 so can you run a check under her maiden name, 229 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:23,490 - which is "Marion Dunphy"? - OK. 230 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:25,890 And how did it go with James Gregory? 231 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:28,450 Interesting. Er... according to him, 232 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:32,380 David definitely did use prostitutes and on a fairly industrial level. 233 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:37,220 Jesus. Do you know, I just... I met his son this morning? 234 00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:39,650 What a nightmare this is gonna be for him. 235 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:44,420 - It's gonna get worse. Walker was into some really weird stuff. - Like? 236 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:47,610 Violent kind of weird. 237 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:49,410 Tying up, S&M stuff. 238 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:53,090 And did Gregory think his wife knew about it? 239 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:55,080 Erm... he thinks not. 240 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,930 So, the other possibility is that he went too far with Sara Mahmoud 241 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:00,610 and she... she attacked him back, 242 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:04,980 and then he died as she tried to defend herself somehow. 243 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:11,980 Er... OK. OK, can we just be... 244 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:15,930 .. very careful how we share this information for now? 245 00:16:15,980 --> 00:16:18,090 - Yeah, of course. - Obviously, we'll need to 246 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:21,570 speak to Sara Mahmoud, again, and Tessa Nixon. 247 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:22,850 Yeah, I'll set up both. 248 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:24,970 Oh, and what about Firdown, David's school? 249 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:27,960 - Well, I spoke to the current head. - And? 250 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:30,730 She was suitably appalled. I mean, without a name 251 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:32,490 she wasn't sure how she could help us. 252 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:34,890 This is abuse that is alleged to have occurred 253 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:36,730 about 10 years before pretty much 254 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:39,010 the oldest current teacher was even born. 255 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:40,330 Right. 256 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:44,890 Even identifying a possible suspect is gonna be as good as impossible. 257 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:47,050 On top of that, there's a really good chance 258 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,050 that whoever David Walker was talking about is already dead. 259 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:52,570 Hm. Right, OK. I'll see you later. 260 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:24,930 Colin Osborne and I both started on the same day, 261 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:27,210 and we were kids, really. 262 00:17:27,260 --> 00:17:29,890 I'd come straight from Cambridge, Colin from Kingston. 263 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:33,490 - They recruited from a poly? - Oh, they took Colin. - Because? 264 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:36,690 He got the highest marks in the aptitude test anyone had ever scored. 265 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:39,490 - And he went on to do well here? - He did extremely well. 266 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:41,090 He worked ridiculously hard, 267 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,770 but more importantly, he had serious nuts. 268 00:17:43,820 --> 00:17:46,410 If he'd stayed, he'd have ended up running the place. 269 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:49,050 Did you get any sense of why he did leave so suddenly? 270 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:52,290 No, I mean, I worked with him and I liked him, 271 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:56,210 but I didn't really know him well, he was quite a reserved man. 272 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:59,360 One day, he was here, the next, he was just gone? 273 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:02,660 Have you spoken to Colin about this? 274 00:18:02,860 --> 00:18:05,690 Mr Osborne's helping us with our enquiries. 275 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:08,850 I'd need to take advice before answering any more questions. 276 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:11,930 I'm not sure of our position on discussing Colin's departure. 277 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,410 What's the best number for me to contact you on? 278 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:17,330 Why don't I call you when you've spoken to who you need to? 279 00:18:17,380 --> 00:18:19,980 What's the best number to get you on? 280 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:40,890 If you could call us back when you pick this up, please, Mrs Mahmoud, 281 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:42,770 it'd be good to talk further. 282 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:44,290 Thank you. 283 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:49,530 'If you could call us back when you pick this up, please, Mrs Mahmoud,' 284 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:51,850 it'd be good to talk further. 285 00:19:13,460 --> 00:19:14,740 Colin? 286 00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:20,180 Sorry, drifted off for a minute. Erm... what were you saying? 287 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:25,450 Er... Janet was just asking if there are any issues, any difficulties, 288 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:29,090 anything at all that we feel it would be useful for her to know. 289 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:31,340 No, no difficulties at all. 290 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:36,250 And how we doing at bedtimes? 291 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:38,580 - Us or Flo? - Both. 292 00:19:40,460 --> 00:19:42,170 Yeah, no, good as gold, really. 293 00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:45,530 She sleeps really well and is full of beans in the morning. 294 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:47,250 And how are her nightmares? 295 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:49,010 Hasn't had any. 296 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:52,780 I think everything really changed when we got her here full-time... 297 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:29,010 - Hi, there. Marion Kelsey? - Hello. 298 00:20:29,060 --> 00:20:30,860 DCI Cassie Stuart? 299 00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:33,890 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat? 300 00:20:33,940 --> 00:20:35,900 Ooh, yes. Yeah, sure. 301 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:49,730 No, sorry. Who is he? 302 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:52,060 His name was David Walker. 303 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:56,780 He ran a small chain of clubs in the '80s. 304 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,570 I've never been a clubber myself. 305 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,490 No, me neither. 306 00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:08,480 - The music's always too loud for me. - Mm. 307 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:15,380 Well, obviously, as you know, we've spoken to your mum and sister... 308 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:20,410 .. and she seemed to think that you might have been living in her house 309 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:23,940 - at some point in early 1990? - Did she say I broke in? 310 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:27,570 Well, she did, yes, actually. 311 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,570 My father was on a lecture tour of America for three months 312 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:33,220 and I was temporarily homeless, so... 313 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:36,410 .. I had a key, let myself in and stayed there for a few days, 314 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:38,930 - if that's breaking in. - Sure. 315 00:21:39,260 --> 00:21:40,490 Well, as you say, 316 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:43,170 it couldn't have been her that gave that address out 317 00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:46,420 because she was abroad, so could it have been you? 318 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:48,220 Sure. 319 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,020 Oh, OK, erm... 320 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:55,340 .. but you don't have any recollection of doing so? 321 00:21:55,940 --> 00:22:00,130 - From some time in 1990? No, sorry. - OK, no problem. 322 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:05,770 - So, your mum said that you left home in about 1985? - Yep. 323 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:08,410 - And you stayed in London? - Yeah. 324 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:10,690 Whereabouts? 325 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,910 Various places. 326 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:16,810 And was 32 Smoke Lane one of them? 327 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:20,560 I was there for a while, yeah. 328 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:23,090 This was the address, in fact, that you gave 329 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:27,450 after you were arrested in 1988 for assaulting a police officer... 330 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:28,690 I never assaulted anyone. 331 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:30,650 .. at a demonstration in North London. 332 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:33,050 A policeman attacked me, I was defending myself. 333 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,770 For which you were found guilty 334 00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:38,220 at Horseferry Road Magistrates' Court and fined £100. 335 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,170 You look like a smart woman to me. 336 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:46,450 I'm sure you couldn't be so spectacularly dim 337 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,090 as to suggest that a police officer from the '80s... 338 00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:52,090 well, fuck it, from any point in the last 50 years, actually, 339 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,940 couldn't have lied? 340 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:56,890 I'm not sure why you're being so defensive, Marion. 341 00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:59,770 I'm being defensive because I was on a perfectly legal march, 342 00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:03,210 exercising my right to protest, and I was assaulted by a police officer. 343 00:23:03,260 --> 00:23:06,730 And you're now trying to imply that I have some kind of violent past, 344 00:23:06,780 --> 00:23:09,370 and that therefore, I must be connected in some way 345 00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:12,050 to this unfortunate man's tragic death. 346 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:14,170 And I find that annoying, I'm sorry. 347 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:16,130 Are we done? Cos I have a very busy ward. 348 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:17,650 - Sure. - Great. Nice to meet you. 349 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,800 And you. And if we need to speak to you again... 350 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:24,840 .. we'll be in touch. 351 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,910 So, there are no records that can confirm whether Sara Mahmoud/Alazi 352 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,270 was or wasn't in the UK. 353 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,230 We're checking with all the main airlines 354 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,910 for flights to Rome in March 1990, 355 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,990 but I've been told not to hold my breath. 356 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,310 OK, keep pushing them, we do need to be able to confirm 357 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,870 where she was at the time of David Walker's death. 358 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,710 - Absolutely. - I've left her a message to call us back. 359 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,310 OK. Jake, where are we with the photos? 360 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,150 I went through Tessa Nixon's, unfortunately, she said 361 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,910 she chucked out most of the ones of her husband about 15 years ago. 362 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,310 - Why? - "Trying to lay ghosts to rest," she said. - Or bury them. 363 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,350 And I'm still waiting to hear back from the Tory Party offices 364 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,430 - about their photo archive. - OK. Murray? 365 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,550 I spoke to a senior guy at Klein Egerton today 366 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,550 and there's definitely something odd about Colin's departure. 367 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,630 I don't know what it is, but I'm guessing they're gonna close ranks. 368 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,830 - I'm on it. - Right, good stuff. 369 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:24,800 OK, following my rather prickly chat with Marion Kelsey earlier... 370 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,390 .. we ran a tenancy check on the Smoke Lane address, 371 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:36,950 and we've found... yes, one rather... interesting result. 372 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720 So, this is... Sinead Mary Quinn. 373 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,750 Now, she lived at Smoke Lane from 1988 to 1991. 374 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 And then in 1992... 375 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,550 .. Miss Quinn was in prison for 10 years 376 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,870 for her role in suspected IRA activities. 377 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,590 So, we then went back to Marion Kelsey's arrest sheet 378 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,310 and discovered that the march she was on 379 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,750 was actually a protest march 380 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,150 campaigning for the release of the Guildford Four. 381 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,790 So, we have one IRA activist, 382 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,230 we have the murder of a Tory Party fundraiser, 383 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,350 and linking them both... 384 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,630 .. we have Marion Kelsey. 385 00:25:17,647 --> 00:25:20,807 What did you tell them? What did you fucking tell them? 386 00:25:38,927 --> 00:25:41,757 Oi. So, since when did Monster Truck Mayhem 387 00:25:41,807 --> 00:25:44,077 become part of the maths syllabus? 388 00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:46,727 - It's problem-solving, innit? - Oh. 389 00:25:47,487 --> 00:25:49,797 - Confiscated, mate. - Dad. 390 00:25:49,847 --> 00:25:53,037 He's addicted to this, we're gonna have to send him to the Priory. 391 00:25:53,087 --> 00:25:54,597 Omar rang me this morning, 392 00:25:54,647 --> 00:25:57,037 said thank you for not sticking the petition back up. 393 00:25:57,087 --> 00:25:58,437 I apologised on your behalf 394 00:25:58,487 --> 00:26:00,917 and told him that it must have been an oversight 395 00:26:00,967 --> 00:26:04,597 and that it would straight back up first thing tomorrow. 396 00:26:10,927 --> 00:26:12,437 Love? 397 00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:15,087 Yeah, sorry. Back to normal tomorrow. 398 00:26:16,047 --> 00:26:18,887 - It was a joke. - Sorry, I'm tired. 399 00:26:20,727 --> 00:26:23,397 Do you want help with the interview later? 400 00:26:23,447 --> 00:26:25,447 Yeah, thanks. 401 00:26:26,927 --> 00:26:29,527 - Are you all right? - Yeah, fine. 402 00:26:34,607 --> 00:26:36,607 - Hass? - Yeah. 403 00:26:39,847 --> 00:26:42,757 I do love you. 404 00:26:42,807 --> 00:26:45,397 Well, luckily, I do love you, too. 405 00:26:45,447 --> 00:26:46,767 Lots. 406 00:26:53,167 --> 00:26:55,357 Hey. 407 00:26:55,407 --> 00:26:57,317 What are you doing here? 408 00:26:57,367 --> 00:26:59,307 Nice to see you, too. 409 00:26:59,767 --> 00:27:02,607 - It's our local. - Our local? 410 00:27:03,967 --> 00:27:05,437 The other kids on the ward. 411 00:27:05,487 --> 00:27:08,917 Just trying to work out how many things are wrong with that sentence. 412 00:27:08,967 --> 00:27:12,397 They don't serve anyone under 16, they don't let us get twatted, 413 00:27:12,447 --> 00:27:15,117 and they make us sit out the back so no-one can see us. 414 00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:19,197 We tell 'em, "What's the worst that can happen? We've all got cancer." 415 00:27:21,927 --> 00:27:24,477 Have you forgotten what we discussed this afternoon? 416 00:27:24,527 --> 00:27:27,957 This is hospital grounds. Near as, anyway. 417 00:27:28,007 --> 00:27:30,147 Malibu and orange, please. 418 00:27:37,727 --> 00:27:40,757 She sounded out of control, Tony. 419 00:27:40,807 --> 00:27:44,477 I mean, Mum was completely petrified, as was I. 420 00:27:44,527 --> 00:27:45,837 I'm so sorry. 421 00:27:45,887 --> 00:27:49,437 We never thought about why she came back when she did, 422 00:27:49,487 --> 00:27:52,677 we were just so grateful that she did. 423 00:27:52,727 --> 00:27:55,957 But, I mean, you know, you don't think that she could... 424 00:27:56,007 --> 00:27:59,007 No, no, I don't. She could never have... 425 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,807 No. 426 00:28:03,287 --> 00:28:07,357 - Look, I'll erm... I'll call you as soon as she gets in, OK? - OK. 427 00:28:07,407 --> 00:28:09,207 - Bye. - Bye. 428 00:28:16,927 --> 00:28:18,397 'Hi, this is Marion.' 429 00:28:18,447 --> 00:28:21,797 'I can't take your call right now, please leave a message.' 430 00:28:21,847 --> 00:28:25,437 Why aren't you at home talking to your husband about it? 431 00:28:25,487 --> 00:28:27,957 Talking to my husband about what? 432 00:28:28,967 --> 00:28:31,767 Whatever it is that's making you unhappy. 433 00:28:32,447 --> 00:28:34,957 Who says I'm unhappy? 434 00:28:35,007 --> 00:28:37,757 You're a 48-year-old woman necking vodkas on your own 435 00:28:37,807 --> 00:28:40,477 90 minutes after your shift has ended. 436 00:28:42,567 --> 00:28:44,907 Do you think you know me, Zoe? 437 00:28:45,567 --> 00:28:49,367 - No. - Do you really think you have the first idea of who I really am? 438 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:53,447 No, but I know fear. 439 00:28:54,927 --> 00:28:58,047 Trust me... I can spot fear a mile away. 440 00:29:01,527 --> 00:29:03,717 Hey. 441 00:29:03,767 --> 00:29:05,707 Hey, it's gonna be OK. 442 00:29:11,887 --> 00:29:13,877 You have no idea. 443 00:29:13,927 --> 00:29:16,397 Marion, please, please don't cry. 444 00:29:18,647 --> 00:29:20,717 - I've gotta go. - You can talk to me. 445 00:29:20,767 --> 00:29:23,197 Really, can I? 446 00:29:23,247 --> 00:29:26,037 Please, I wanna help you. 447 00:29:26,087 --> 00:29:29,357 You're not my friend, Zoe, you're not my daughter, 448 00:29:29,407 --> 00:29:32,887 you're just another patient who I'll forget about as soon as you've gone. 449 00:29:34,207 --> 00:29:36,207 Grow up. 450 00:29:47,447 --> 00:29:48,797 And what did Tessa say? 451 00:29:48,847 --> 00:29:51,247 That she had absolutely no idea. 452 00:29:52,347 --> 00:29:53,797 'And did you believe her?' 453 00:29:53,847 --> 00:29:57,957 Well, it's hard to tell on the phone but she seemed pretty stunned, 454 00:29:58,007 --> 00:30:01,117 so my guess is that James Gregory was right, 455 00:30:01,167 --> 00:30:03,757 David Walker never told her anything about the abuse. 456 00:30:03,807 --> 00:30:07,837 And did she give a reason for why she never gave us his best friend's name and number? 457 00:30:07,887 --> 00:30:11,317 Well, she said she didn't consider Gregory to be a close friend. 458 00:30:11,367 --> 00:30:13,917 Which is er... fair enough, I suppose, 459 00:30:13,967 --> 00:30:17,677 given the little contact that he and Walker had had. 460 00:30:19,967 --> 00:30:22,117 Or she just didn't want us to speak to him 461 00:30:22,167 --> 00:30:24,797 because what he told us gives her a motive. 462 00:30:24,847 --> 00:30:26,557 Maybe. 463 00:30:26,607 --> 00:30:29,317 Ah, listen, boss, I've gotta go, 464 00:30:29,367 --> 00:30:31,517 I need to shout at my children. 465 00:30:31,567 --> 00:30:34,037 We also need to find Sinead Quinn. 466 00:30:34,407 --> 00:30:36,277 Yeah, first thing. 467 00:30:36,327 --> 00:30:38,667 - Night, Sunny. - Night, boss. 468 00:30:49,007 --> 00:30:50,597 - Hiya. - Oh. 469 00:30:50,647 --> 00:30:53,747 - You scared me. - Ditto. I've been calling you. 470 00:30:54,527 --> 00:30:57,197 Yeah, sorry, my phone was out of juice. 471 00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:00,477 How'd it go with the policewoman? 472 00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:02,727 Oh, yeah. No, it was fine... 473 00:31:03,567 --> 00:31:06,887 - .. I didn't know the guy, so short and sweet. - Right. 474 00:31:09,727 --> 00:31:12,637 So where have you been? Your shift finishes at 6:00, didn't it? 475 00:31:12,687 --> 00:31:15,787 I went out with the girls, we had a few bevvies. 476 00:31:16,447 --> 00:31:19,117 - Right, I'm gonna have a bath. - Maz? 477 00:31:25,807 --> 00:31:30,167 I've never pressed you, have I, to talk about the past? 478 00:31:31,407 --> 00:31:34,517 All those years you never saw your family, I... 479 00:31:34,567 --> 00:31:37,037 I've always just accepted that... 480 00:31:37,847 --> 00:31:40,997 .. it was a part of you that you didn't wanna re-visit. 481 00:31:41,047 --> 00:31:45,157 But your sister rang and she said you were so unpleasant today 482 00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:47,277 to her and to your mum... 483 00:31:49,607 --> 00:31:51,807 .. and I need to ask you... 484 00:31:52,407 --> 00:31:55,207 .. is there anything you wanna talk about? 485 00:31:59,607 --> 00:32:03,517 You make the past sound so much more interesting than it really is, Tony. 486 00:32:03,567 --> 00:32:06,197 Yeah, my parents liked my sister more than me. 487 00:32:06,247 --> 00:32:08,357 They got her in a way they didn't get me, 488 00:32:08,407 --> 00:32:11,077 and that makes me angry and so we row. 489 00:32:12,687 --> 00:32:15,887 And that's it, I'm afraid, it's all rather boring. 490 00:32:17,487 --> 00:32:19,957 - Please don't walk away. - No, I'm tired and I want a bath. 491 00:32:20,007 --> 00:32:21,797 No, Maz. Every time... 492 00:32:21,847 --> 00:32:24,517 all our life, whenever the conversation gets difficult, 493 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:27,437 - you just walk away. - Don't be tedious, love. 494 00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:29,427 Or get nasty. Or both. 495 00:32:31,967 --> 00:32:34,907 You know, one day, you're gonna come back... 496 00:32:37,327 --> 00:32:39,327 .. and find me gone. 497 00:33:09,207 --> 00:33:10,677 Hiya. 498 00:33:10,727 --> 00:33:13,837 Hiya, love. Sorry, I thought you'd gone to bed already. 499 00:33:13,887 --> 00:33:16,127 - Good day? - Yep. 500 00:33:17,727 --> 00:33:19,877 - You? - Yeah, yeah. You're late tonight. 501 00:33:19,927 --> 00:33:23,327 You said when I was 70, I could stay out until 11:00. 502 00:33:23,567 --> 00:33:24,837 Sorry. 503 00:33:28,527 --> 00:33:30,717 What were you doing in Winchester, Dad? 504 00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:33,477 I... I accidentally opened one of your bank statements. 505 00:33:33,527 --> 00:33:37,237 I saw a debit card payment to South West Trains. 506 00:33:37,287 --> 00:33:40,487 - For a copper, you're a shit liar. - Yeah, I got it from you. 507 00:33:43,607 --> 00:33:45,757 All right, I'll tell you, but... 508 00:33:45,807 --> 00:33:48,807 I'd prefer not to talk about it afterwards... 509 00:33:49,047 --> 00:33:52,247 - .. because I know what you're gonna say. - Deal. 510 00:33:54,327 --> 00:33:57,267 - I was looking for the bloke. - What bloke? 511 00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:01,367 The one your mum was seeing. 512 00:34:03,527 --> 00:34:05,667 - Are you serious? - Yep. 513 00:34:09,967 --> 00:34:13,127 OK. Why? 514 00:34:14,287 --> 00:34:17,887 You see, that's... that's why I didn't wanna tell you... 515 00:34:18,167 --> 00:34:20,237 .. because I knew you wouldn't understand. 516 00:34:20,287 --> 00:34:23,037 I'm just asking why, I'm not saying I don't understand. 517 00:34:23,087 --> 00:34:26,117 Well, yes, the fact that you need to ask why, 518 00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:29,327 - you are saying exactly that. - So, did you find him? 519 00:34:32,407 --> 00:34:35,967 - Oh, I'm gonna go to bed. Goodnight, love. - Dad? 520 00:34:37,167 --> 00:34:39,237 Dad, don't be like that. 521 00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:43,327 Dad. Dad? 522 00:35:01,887 --> 00:35:04,237 This is it. 523 00:35:04,287 --> 00:35:05,997 There's no more coming. 524 00:35:06,047 --> 00:35:08,157 We don't want any more. 525 00:35:08,207 --> 00:35:09,677 Thank you. 526 00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:27,447 I will be a good father, Tyler, and I am a good man... 527 00:35:29,167 --> 00:35:32,287 .. but if you ever do anything to jeopardise our adoption of Flo... 528 00:35:33,447 --> 00:35:37,347 .. if you ever threaten my family's future happiness again... 529 00:35:37,647 --> 00:35:39,447 .. I will hurt you. 530 00:35:39,847 --> 00:35:42,807 I will hurt you very fucking badly. 531 00:35:57,967 --> 00:36:00,037 What is going on, Colin? 532 00:36:01,407 --> 00:36:03,317 Why didn't you tell me before? 533 00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:06,397 That I was also being interviewed in connection with a murder? 534 00:36:06,447 --> 00:36:10,157 I was terrified, Simon, and if Tyler had gone to the police 535 00:36:10,207 --> 00:36:12,117 and told them about me keying the car, 536 00:36:12,167 --> 00:36:15,527 and some sharp-eyed copper had cross-referenced the two cases... 537 00:36:17,807 --> 00:36:21,997 .. Janet and her department would be about to finalise an adoption 538 00:36:22,047 --> 00:36:25,197 by a man being interviewed in connection with two violent crimes. 539 00:36:25,247 --> 00:36:27,677 And we would have lost her, Simon. 540 00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:30,667 But I swear, I know nothing about this body. 541 00:36:31,407 --> 00:36:35,317 On Flo's life, I have never heard of David Walker 542 00:36:35,367 --> 00:36:38,327 and I have absolutely no idea how he died. 543 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:43,557 - Boss? - Mm, yeah. 544 00:36:43,607 --> 00:36:47,157 I've just got these from Fulham Party Headquarters. 545 00:36:47,207 --> 00:36:50,077 They erm... had these in old scrapbooks 546 00:36:50,127 --> 00:36:54,197 from the publicity of various magazines and newspapers. 547 00:36:54,247 --> 00:36:56,757 The er... society sections. 548 00:36:56,807 --> 00:37:01,047 Er... this one is from Hello! Magazine, the diary section. 549 00:37:02,407 --> 00:37:04,747 But look at the caption below. 550 00:37:08,527 --> 00:37:10,997 "Nightlife supremo David Walker... 551 00:37:14,407 --> 00:37:19,237 .. and party donor Colin Osborne at the CP Valentine's Day Ball". 552 00:37:19,287 --> 00:37:22,967 The plot thickens, boss. The plot bloody well thickens. 553 00:37:31,227 --> 00:37:33,897 "So, tell us, Miss Mahmoud, the recent Ofsted report 554 00:37:33,947 --> 00:37:37,657 identified Highbrook as having a serious truancy problem, 555 00:37:37,707 --> 00:37:42,337 particularly for the boys in the 13 to 15 age range. 556 00:37:42,387 --> 00:37:44,217 What measures would you put in place 557 00:37:44,267 --> 00:37:47,067 to help motivate these boys to attend..." 558 00:37:48,547 --> 00:37:49,857 Sara, what's the matter? 559 00:37:49,907 --> 00:37:53,867 You've been acting really weird the last couple of days. What is it? Talk to me. 560 00:37:56,707 --> 00:37:58,707 Not here. 561 00:38:17,267 --> 00:38:20,947 I honestly have no recollection of ever having met this man. 562 00:38:23,227 --> 00:38:25,257 OK, er... no problem. 563 00:38:25,307 --> 00:38:29,097 Can we go back then to when you left Klein Egerton. 564 00:38:29,147 --> 00:38:31,697 When we spoke to you before, you implied 565 00:38:31,747 --> 00:38:35,017 - that you'd just had a change of heart? - I had. 566 00:38:35,067 --> 00:38:38,457 We then spoke to a Hugh Moray, 567 00:38:38,507 --> 00:38:40,537 who was a colleague of yours at the bank. 568 00:38:40,587 --> 00:38:42,297 We sensed from him that, 569 00:38:42,347 --> 00:38:44,857 actually, there was more to your departure than that. 570 00:38:44,907 --> 00:38:47,937 - You sensed? - He seemed reluctant to talk about it. 571 00:38:47,987 --> 00:38:51,777 - Well, he always was a decent guy. - Because he covered your back? 572 00:38:51,827 --> 00:38:54,227 Because he respected my privacy. 573 00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,667 So, when did you start training to become a lawyer? 574 00:38:59,227 --> 00:39:00,897 Later that year. 575 00:39:01,987 --> 00:39:06,067 That's October 1990, that's according to your... 576 00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:10,137 - .. company website. - That sounds about right. 577 00:39:10,187 --> 00:39:12,657 So, what did you do in the seven months off? 578 00:39:12,707 --> 00:39:15,807 - Where were you living? - Why does it matter? 579 00:39:17,347 --> 00:39:19,577 OK. It matters, Colin, because I want to know 580 00:39:19,627 --> 00:39:23,027 where you were and what you were doing when David Walker was murdered. 581 00:39:29,627 --> 00:39:31,967 You won't know this, but er... 582 00:39:33,427 --> 00:39:35,537 .. my partner and I... 583 00:39:35,587 --> 00:39:39,217 my husband are in the final stages of adopting a child. 584 00:39:39,267 --> 00:39:43,067 And... whilst I've... 585 00:39:44,187 --> 00:39:47,017 .. I've never been dishonest with the adoption authorities, 586 00:39:47,067 --> 00:39:52,387 there is one fact that I haven't told them about. 587 00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:57,017 And I truly believe that has no bearing whatsoever 588 00:39:57,067 --> 00:39:59,867 on my capabilities as a potential father. 589 00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:11,147 I left Klein Egerton because I had a breakdown and... 590 00:40:12,947 --> 00:40:16,377 .. from early May until September 1990, 591 00:40:16,427 --> 00:40:21,027 I was sectioned in the Maudsley Hospital in South London. 592 00:40:25,227 --> 00:40:27,497 Well, I'm sorry to hear that. 593 00:40:28,507 --> 00:40:32,467 - And there would be medical records to confirm this, would there? - Yes. 594 00:40:34,427 --> 00:40:36,977 And you were sectioned because you were considered 595 00:40:37,027 --> 00:40:38,737 to be a danger to yourself or... 596 00:40:38,787 --> 00:40:41,377 A danger to myself, yes, no-one else. 597 00:40:41,427 --> 00:40:45,057 And this... this breakdown was caused by what? 598 00:40:45,107 --> 00:40:47,377 I had a history of anxiety... 599 00:40:48,467 --> 00:40:52,827 .. and stress, and erm... it just came to a head. 600 00:40:54,107 --> 00:40:57,707 Can you remember exactly when this was, when you went in? 601 00:41:00,027 --> 00:41:03,147 Well, the date you're sectioned is not a date you easily forget. 602 00:41:05,147 --> 00:41:06,887 6th of May, 1990. 603 00:41:15,307 --> 00:41:17,177 Pretty solid alibi. 604 00:41:17,227 --> 00:41:19,937 Fancy a quick coffee? Pick the bones out of that. 605 00:41:19,987 --> 00:41:23,497 Yeah. Erm... actually, I've got a date down here, erm... 606 00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:26,537 so you head back, I'll get the train and maybe we can discuss later? 607 00:41:26,587 --> 00:41:29,377 Hm. Yeah, no, right. Fine. 608 00:41:29,427 --> 00:41:31,497 I'm sorry, I didn't know if she'd respond. 609 00:41:31,547 --> 00:41:34,747 No, no. I've got to meet Walker's son anyway, so... 610 00:41:35,227 --> 00:41:37,457 Yeah, we'll talk later. 611 00:41:37,507 --> 00:41:39,857 I can give you a call about 9:00? 612 00:41:39,907 --> 00:41:44,007 - Yeah, only if that suits you. - Yeah, no, I'm sure it... does. 613 00:41:44,147 --> 00:41:46,427 - Good luck. - Thanks. 614 00:41:58,347 --> 00:42:00,617 Everything's absolutely fine, I promise. 615 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,697 But do the police think she did anything? 616 00:42:02,747 --> 00:42:04,777 Absolutely not, they just have to ask 617 00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:08,347 difficult questions of anyone who ever knew him, it's just procedure. 618 00:42:10,187 --> 00:42:11,897 - Do you want a snack? - No, thanks. 619 00:42:11,947 --> 00:42:14,617 OK. Well, crack on with your revision. 620 00:42:27,347 --> 00:42:30,457 The police came to see me at the school the other day. 621 00:42:30,507 --> 00:42:33,377 They're investigating the murder of a man in 1990 622 00:42:33,427 --> 00:42:36,267 who they believed I had a connection with. 623 00:42:40,747 --> 00:42:43,687 And I know nothing about how he died, but... 624 00:42:45,427 --> 00:42:47,627 .. I probably did know him. 625 00:42:51,907 --> 00:42:53,647 And I knew him... 626 00:42:57,507 --> 00:42:59,047 .. because... 627 00:43:00,707 --> 00:43:03,177 .. many years before I met you... 628 00:43:05,587 --> 00:43:08,467 .. and at a very low point in my life... 629 00:43:12,587 --> 00:43:14,727 .. I'd had sex with him... 630 00:43:18,147 --> 00:43:19,687 .. for money. 631 00:44:05,587 --> 00:44:07,857 - Are you all right? - Yeah. 632 00:44:09,147 --> 00:44:12,147 - Do you want me to come in? - No, thank you. 633 00:44:17,907 --> 00:44:19,907 Take as long as you need. 51524

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