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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:52,710 --> 00:00:57,048 I gave every part of my youth to do a job 3 00:00:57,048 --> 00:01:00,552 and to go through a savage war. 4 00:01:00,552 --> 00:01:04,055 It was a different war from year to year, and one's reactions 5 00:01:04,055 --> 00:01:05,891 were completely different. 6 00:01:05,891 --> 00:01:10,520 The intensity changed so much that anybody who'd been out in 1914 7 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,564 and went home and came back in 1917, 8 00:01:12,564 --> 00:01:15,901 wouldn't recognise it as the same war. 9 00:01:15,901 --> 00:01:18,654 I can only say one thing, I wouldn't have missed it. 10 00:01:18,654 --> 00:01:21,698 It was terrible at times, but I wouldn't have missed it. 11 00:01:21,698 --> 00:01:25,494 Oh, yes, if I could have my time again, I'd go through it 12 00:01:25,494 --> 00:01:28,164 all over again because I enjoyed the service life. 13 00:01:28,164 --> 00:01:32,127 I could only say that I have never been so excited in my life, 14 00:01:32,127 --> 00:01:35,713 this was like a boy going to the play the first time. 15 00:01:35,713 --> 00:01:38,883 I never realised there was anything unusual about it. 16 00:01:38,883 --> 00:01:42,387 There was a job to be done and you just go on and did it. 17 00:01:42,387 --> 00:01:45,515 We were all instilled with the idea that this was war 18 00:01:45,515 --> 00:01:49,353 and that we've got to kill the Germans, and this is how we looked 19 00:01:49,353 --> 00:01:50,854 at the thing. 20 00:01:50,854 --> 00:01:53,482 I don't regret having experienced it. 21 00:01:53,482 --> 00:01:57,069 I wish I hadn't, but I don't regret it because I'm safe. 22 00:01:57,069 --> 00:01:58,571 HE LAUGHS 23 00:01:58,571 --> 00:02:00,865 There were good times and bad times in France. 24 00:02:00,865 --> 00:02:02,992 But you took the rough with the smooth. 25 00:02:02,992 --> 00:02:07,038 I was twice wounded and gassed, but it was just war and you made 26 00:02:07,038 --> 00:02:08,790 the best of it. 27 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:11,250 Just took it in its stride, like everybody else. 28 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:14,128 We were glad to be in it and we expected it to be rough, 29 00:02:14,128 --> 00:02:17,423 and it WAS rough, but we didn't complain. 30 00:02:17,423 --> 00:02:19,800 There was no real excitement about it. 31 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,429 You'd seen death so many times, you'd seen wounded so many times, 32 00:02:23,429 --> 00:02:25,057 blood didn't excite you. 33 00:02:25,057 --> 00:02:29,269 We were professionals and to us it was just a job of work. 34 00:02:29,269 --> 00:02:33,857 It would be a fallacy to say that one enjoyed it, 35 00:02:33,857 --> 00:02:37,027 but one got afterwards a nice, warm inner feeling that 36 00:02:37,027 --> 00:02:38,570 one had been some use. 37 00:02:38,570 --> 00:02:41,031 It didn't affect me very much because I wasn't 38 00:02:41,031 --> 00:02:43,826 sufficiently open in the ways of the world, I was only a kid, 39 00:02:43,826 --> 00:02:45,744 like other blokes there. 40 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:48,872 It was more like a great big game to be enjoyed, 41 00:02:48,872 --> 00:02:52,585 apart from the actual killing and all that sort of thing. 42 00:02:52,585 --> 00:02:54,128 It made me a man. 43 00:02:54,128 --> 00:02:55,547 Yes, it did. 44 00:02:55,547 --> 00:02:58,007 I don't think I should have ever been the man I am if it 45 00:02:58,007 --> 00:02:59,967 hadn't been for having to serve. 46 00:02:59,967 --> 00:03:03,179 You'd learn to look after yourself. 47 00:03:03,179 --> 00:03:07,350 Whereas in your civilian life, your mother did all the chores. 48 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:09,728 You've got to learn how to cook for yourself, 49 00:03:09,728 --> 00:03:12,397 darn your own socks, sew on your own buttons 50 00:03:12,397 --> 00:03:14,191 and all the things like that. 51 00:03:14,191 --> 00:03:15,943 It was just a day's work. 52 00:03:15,943 --> 00:03:19,487 I knew that I was not alone, I knew I wasn't fighting the war 53 00:03:19,487 --> 00:03:23,117 by myself and that what happened to other people might happen to me. 54 00:03:23,117 --> 00:03:25,035 I had no regrets at all. 55 00:03:25,035 --> 00:03:27,788 But, you see, I had no wife, no girl, no nothing. 56 00:03:27,788 --> 00:03:30,081 No regrets, no horrors... 57 00:03:31,875 --> 00:03:35,128 ..because if you survive that, you can survive anything. 58 00:03:46,057 --> 00:03:48,309 We was aware that there was sort of a nasty feeling 59 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:50,311 between England and Germany. 60 00:03:50,311 --> 00:03:53,189 We knew of the Kaiser's ambition to expand his empire 61 00:03:53,189 --> 00:03:55,650 and all that sort of thing. 62 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:59,570 During that summer, there was a lot of talk about trouble 63 00:03:59,570 --> 00:04:01,990 going on in the Balkans, but we were a long way 64 00:04:01,990 --> 00:04:05,577 from the Balkans and it didn't worry us at all. 65 00:04:05,577 --> 00:04:07,913 It was that Serbia business, wasn't it? 66 00:04:07,913 --> 00:04:10,290 Serbia, when that chap was shot. 67 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:13,335 I was paying attention to politics and I realised 68 00:04:13,335 --> 00:04:17,006 that there was going to be trouble between England and Germany. 69 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:20,342 It was a lovely August the 4th morning. 70 00:04:20,342 --> 00:04:23,512 We were all seated around the table and we were starting 71 00:04:23,512 --> 00:04:25,764 the Rugby football dinner with the German team. 72 00:04:25,764 --> 00:04:28,393 There was a German here, next to him was an Englishman, 73 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:30,770 and next to him was a German, and so on and so on. 74 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:34,148 And a runner arrived into the middle of this dinner 75 00:04:34,148 --> 00:04:37,652 with extraordinary news of outbreak of war. 76 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:40,697 There was a big placard - "War declared on Germany." 77 00:04:40,697 --> 00:04:42,991 We didn't know what we ought to do. 78 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:45,076 Whether we got to seize a knife off the table 79 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:47,913 and plunge it into the German or what! 80 00:04:47,913 --> 00:04:51,124 But, after a little bit of discussion, we decided 81 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:55,087 that as far as we were concerned, the war was going to start tomorrow, 82 00:04:55,087 --> 00:04:57,422 and the party proceeded. 83 00:05:00,509 --> 00:05:03,429 I'm proud of being a British hero. I mean, I think we're as good 84 00:05:03,429 --> 00:05:04,847 a country as any in the world 85 00:05:04,847 --> 00:05:07,474 and you've got to be prepared to fight for that. 86 00:05:07,474 --> 00:05:09,226 There's no doubt about it - 87 00:05:09,226 --> 00:05:13,147 in the First World War, we prepared for war. 88 00:05:13,147 --> 00:05:16,901 The empire was strong, we weren't afraid of anyone. 89 00:05:16,901 --> 00:05:20,155 Everybody bought little buttons and white flags and sang songs, 90 00:05:20,155 --> 00:05:23,241 there was no feeling of despair about it at all. 91 00:05:23,241 --> 00:05:26,869 England couldn't possibly lose, no matter how many Germans pushed 92 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:29,748 how many Englishmen into the Channel, that they'd get no further. 93 00:05:29,748 --> 00:05:32,000 We couldn't possibly lose. 94 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,254 We were brought up to think that one Englishman was worth ten Germans. 95 00:05:36,254 --> 00:05:39,966 I thought that any enemy of England was an enemy of mine 96 00:05:39,966 --> 00:05:41,677 and I wanted to be in it. 97 00:05:41,677 --> 00:05:44,221 Oh, 6 months or 12 months, it would be all over 98 00:05:44,221 --> 00:05:46,306 and Bob's your uncle. 99 00:05:46,306 --> 00:05:48,809 I went with a friend of mine to Shepherd's Bush Empire 100 00:05:48,809 --> 00:05:51,729 to see the picture show there and they showed the fleet 101 00:05:51,729 --> 00:05:55,817 saving the high seas and played "Britons never shall be slaves", 102 00:05:55,817 --> 00:05:58,444 and one feels that little shiver run up their back and you know 103 00:05:58,444 --> 00:06:00,196 you've got to do something. 104 00:06:00,196 --> 00:06:02,907 A friend of mine said to me, "We're going to join up." 105 00:06:02,907 --> 00:06:05,410 It was from the patriotic point of view, 106 00:06:05,410 --> 00:06:10,540 and from the general excitement of the whole affair, I suppose. 107 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:13,835 I didn't believe in war to that extent, but I was prepared 108 00:06:13,835 --> 00:06:15,920 to do my part. 109 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,299 You see, in those days, men weren't to think for themselves, 110 00:06:19,299 --> 00:06:23,053 they just had to do what they were told and that's all there was to it. 111 00:06:23,053 --> 00:06:26,306 Oh, my mother was very aggrieved about it. 112 00:06:26,306 --> 00:06:29,727 But, you know, a young man, you decide you're going to go. 113 00:06:29,727 --> 00:06:33,522 At lunchtime, I left the office, went along to Armoury House 114 00:06:33,522 --> 00:06:36,901 and there was a queue of about 1,000 people trying to enlist. 115 00:06:36,901 --> 00:06:39,111 Everybody thought it would be a civilised war 116 00:06:39,111 --> 00:06:41,488 and wanted to be fit enough to go. 117 00:06:41,488 --> 00:06:44,158 Two of us decided to join up together, and when we told 118 00:06:44,158 --> 00:06:46,452 the boss we were going to start training on Monday, 119 00:06:46,452 --> 00:06:47,829 he was very annoyed. 120 00:06:47,829 --> 00:06:50,498 He didn't make any promise at all that our jobs would be there 121 00:06:50,498 --> 00:06:51,916 when we got back. 122 00:06:51,916 --> 00:06:55,378 My mother, she said, "You wait until you're 19." 123 00:06:55,378 --> 00:06:58,923 See, that was the age in those days, 19 to 35. 124 00:06:58,923 --> 00:07:01,259 Well, it was supposed to be. 125 00:07:01,259 --> 00:07:03,178 We were all lads together, you know, 126 00:07:03,178 --> 00:07:04,679 full of excitement 127 00:07:04,679 --> 00:07:06,265 and all this kind of thing. 128 00:07:06,265 --> 00:07:07,682 I mean, I just wanted 129 00:07:07,682 --> 00:07:09,143 to have a go at Jerry. 130 00:07:09,143 --> 00:07:11,853 I just thought that I'd like to go and fight for the country. 131 00:07:11,853 --> 00:07:14,815 This was the thing, you were proud of your country 132 00:07:14,815 --> 00:07:16,567 and you'd do the best you could for it. 133 00:07:16,567 --> 00:07:19,403 And this was what most of the young people thought of doing 134 00:07:19,403 --> 00:07:20,988 in those days. 135 00:07:20,988 --> 00:07:24,409 My mother, she said to me, "Look, we could stop you doing this 136 00:07:24,409 --> 00:07:25,993 "because of your age." 137 00:07:25,993 --> 00:07:29,705 I said, "Yes, I know you could, Mother, but I'm sure you won't." 138 00:07:29,705 --> 00:07:31,457 Which they never did. 139 00:07:31,457 --> 00:07:34,836 I just felt that all the young fellows of that age 140 00:07:34,836 --> 00:07:36,212 were volunteering 141 00:07:36,212 --> 00:07:38,381 and I thought it was my job to do the same. 142 00:07:38,381 --> 00:07:41,259 I was desperately keen and a whole heap of us were. 143 00:07:41,259 --> 00:07:43,178 I said, "Direct enlistment, please." 144 00:07:43,178 --> 00:07:44,679 They were highly delighted 145 00:07:44,679 --> 00:07:47,057 and pushed me in as quick as lightning. 146 00:07:47,057 --> 00:07:49,893 Lots of the lads were joining the local regiments, 147 00:07:49,893 --> 00:07:51,853 like the Bucks and the Middlesex. 148 00:07:51,853 --> 00:07:54,064 Lads that I knew and had been to school with, 149 00:07:54,064 --> 00:07:55,940 played football and cricket with, 150 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:58,527 we joined up, hoping for the best. 151 00:07:58,527 --> 00:08:01,113 We were good friends, comrades 152 00:08:01,113 --> 00:08:05,284 and it was a relief from rather boring jobs at home, you see. 153 00:08:05,284 --> 00:08:08,537 I was walking down the Camden Town high street, 154 00:08:08,537 --> 00:08:12,750 when two young ladies approached me, "Why aren't you in the Army?" 155 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:14,627 I said, "I'm only 17." 156 00:08:14,627 --> 00:08:16,546 "Oh, they all say that here." 157 00:08:16,546 --> 00:08:20,132 And to my amazement, she put her hand in her bag 158 00:08:20,132 --> 00:08:23,302 and I put my hand up to sort of safeguard myself, 159 00:08:23,302 --> 00:08:27,098 and this white feather finished up my nose. 160 00:08:27,098 --> 00:08:31,394 As we marched to the station, some of the chaps had bowler hats, 161 00:08:31,394 --> 00:08:35,816 some had straw hats, some had the regulation peaked Army cap. 162 00:08:35,816 --> 00:08:38,235 Some would have tunics, some would be dressed 163 00:08:38,235 --> 00:08:41,779 with their ordinary jackets with a pair of Army trousers. 164 00:08:41,779 --> 00:08:44,283 Some had Army boots, some didn't. 165 00:08:44,283 --> 00:08:46,952 And we really were a motley throng. 166 00:08:46,952 --> 00:08:49,413 Some of them were obviously chaps who had hoped to live 167 00:08:49,413 --> 00:08:52,291 in some comfort and brought suitcases with clothes with them, 168 00:08:52,291 --> 00:08:53,750 which they never saw again. 169 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:55,669 We had to all get our hair cut. 170 00:08:55,669 --> 00:08:56,962 "How would you like it, sir?" 171 00:08:56,962 --> 00:08:59,257 And you'd say, "Short back and sides." 172 00:08:59,257 --> 00:09:01,551 But the answer was, straight over the top 173 00:09:01,551 --> 00:09:05,471 with horse clippers, and we looked more like convicts than soldiers. 174 00:09:05,471 --> 00:09:07,724 As soon as war broke out, there was a call made 175 00:09:07,724 --> 00:09:09,892 for all ex-soldiers to rejoin, 176 00:09:09,892 --> 00:09:12,645 and they made them sergeants straight away. 177 00:09:12,645 --> 00:09:15,774 So you got a lot of instructors that way. 178 00:09:15,774 --> 00:09:18,943 The people who really carried us through was the old sweats 179 00:09:18,943 --> 00:09:23,281 who'd had previous war experience and gave us a lot of wise advice 180 00:09:23,281 --> 00:09:26,660 as to what to look for and what to dodge. 181 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:31,081 We were ordered down onto the parade ground and then we were allotted 182 00:09:31,081 --> 00:09:33,625 to different platoons. 183 00:09:33,625 --> 00:09:37,337 When they came to us, they were weedy, sallow, 184 00:09:37,337 --> 00:09:40,674 skinny, frightened children. 185 00:09:40,674 --> 00:09:44,762 The refuse of our industrial system and they were in very poor condition 186 00:09:44,762 --> 00:09:47,015 and had to be made into soldiers. 187 00:09:47,015 --> 00:09:51,018 Many of us had given our wrong ages to join the Army. 188 00:09:51,018 --> 00:09:53,604 The agent walked down the lines and gave an order, 189 00:09:53,604 --> 00:09:59,110 "Every man under the age of 19 should take two paces forward." 190 00:09:59,110 --> 00:10:01,613 Nobody moved. 191 00:10:01,613 --> 00:10:05,575 I was a lad of 17 and they'd probably say I wasn't 19, 192 00:10:05,575 --> 00:10:08,119 which you had to be to join up. 193 00:10:08,119 --> 00:10:11,540 But he says, "How long do you want to sign on for?" 194 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:14,835 Everyone else was joining up so I called into the recruitment office 195 00:10:14,835 --> 00:10:17,796 and he said to me, "How old are you?" I said, "17, sir." 196 00:10:17,796 --> 00:10:21,133 Well, he said, "Go outside and come back and say you are 18." 197 00:10:21,133 --> 00:10:24,219 So of course, I went outside and said we were 18. 198 00:10:24,219 --> 00:10:26,096 I was straight up there. 199 00:10:26,096 --> 00:10:28,808 The Sergeant said, "How old are you?" 200 00:10:28,808 --> 00:10:30,142 I said, "I'm 18 and one month." 201 00:10:30,142 --> 00:10:32,436 He said, "Do you mean 19 and one month? 202 00:10:32,436 --> 00:10:34,438 So I thought for a moment, I said, "Yes, sir." 203 00:10:34,438 --> 00:10:36,399 He said, "Right, sign here, please." 204 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,028 He asked me how old I was and I said I was 16 in March. 205 00:10:40,028 --> 00:10:41,737 He said, "You're too young, 206 00:10:41,737 --> 00:10:44,365 "you better go outside and have a birthday." 207 00:10:44,365 --> 00:10:47,619 I was 16 years old in 1917 208 00:10:47,619 --> 00:10:52,582 and I was six foot two tall and my father allowed me to go. 209 00:10:52,582 --> 00:10:55,794 So I entered my age as 19 years old, 210 00:10:55,794 --> 00:10:59,297 three years older than what I really was. 211 00:10:59,297 --> 00:11:03,886 I was 15 years, just 2½ years short of 18, 212 00:11:03,886 --> 00:11:07,515 and I got before this medical officer, who said, 213 00:11:07,515 --> 00:11:10,100 "All right, you pass." 214 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:14,063 I had just turned 17 at the time and I went up to Whitehall 215 00:11:14,063 --> 00:11:16,941 and enlisted in the 16th Lancers. 216 00:11:16,941 --> 00:11:20,361 I was 15 and I thought I'd have a better chance 217 00:11:20,361 --> 00:11:22,155 than when I were 14. 218 00:11:22,155 --> 00:11:26,075 So I walked into the barracks and just said, "I'm 18," 219 00:11:26,075 --> 00:11:27,576 and that was it. 220 00:11:27,576 --> 00:11:30,997 My parents wrote to the commanding officer and asked for me, 221 00:11:30,997 --> 00:11:32,790 as I was underage, to be released. 222 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:36,711 And he said, "Your parents want you back - do you want to go?" 223 00:11:36,711 --> 00:11:38,213 I said no. 224 00:11:39,672 --> 00:11:42,801 The chaplain asked me my age, and I said I was 16. 225 00:11:42,801 --> 00:11:47,681 He said, "Much too young. Would you like me to pray for you?" 226 00:11:52,853 --> 00:11:56,732 The clothing came piecemeal into the quartermaster stores. 227 00:11:58,776 --> 00:12:01,946 One lad said, "These boots don't fit me." 228 00:12:01,946 --> 00:12:04,741 And the quartermaster said, "There isn't such a thing as boots 229 00:12:04,741 --> 00:12:07,034 "that don't fit in the Army, it's your feet that don't 230 00:12:07,034 --> 00:12:08,410 "fit the boots." 231 00:12:08,410 --> 00:12:12,373 Some men would find a tunic to fit them or perhaps 232 00:12:12,373 --> 00:12:13,875 a pair of trousers. 233 00:12:13,875 --> 00:12:17,128 And so it went on for nearly a fortnight. 234 00:12:17,128 --> 00:12:18,629 Just one uniform. 235 00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:22,842 I was in the Army nearly four years, I only had one uniform. 236 00:12:22,842 --> 00:12:25,720 We were all issued with these famous puttees, 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,141 which were news to all of us, and I personally could never quite 238 00:12:29,141 --> 00:12:31,685 master the putting on of puttees. 239 00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:35,897 The main reason for puttees were to support the legs in marching. 240 00:12:35,897 --> 00:12:39,651 I was issued with a kilt but nothing to wear underneath it, 241 00:12:39,651 --> 00:12:42,154 and I was given a slip of paper to say, 242 00:12:42,154 --> 00:12:45,366 "This man has not been issued with underpants." 243 00:12:45,366 --> 00:12:47,952 I was given strict instructions that I couldn't ride on top 244 00:12:47,952 --> 00:12:51,038 of the tram car, had to ride downstairs. 245 00:12:52,957 --> 00:12:56,628 Now, the pack was for everything that you own. 246 00:12:56,628 --> 00:13:01,007 The overcoat had to be folded very, very neatly and tightly. 247 00:13:01,007 --> 00:13:04,385 There was a needle, thread, spare buttons, knife, 248 00:13:04,385 --> 00:13:11,768 fork, spoon, razor, shaving brush, toothbrush and also a half-pint mug. 249 00:13:11,768 --> 00:13:17,190 One spare shirt and one spare pair of socks, and that was your kit. 250 00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:20,735 The Army razor with which we were issued was absolutely useless, 251 00:13:20,735 --> 00:13:23,989 but it came in handy for cutting up meat and so forth. 252 00:13:23,989 --> 00:13:27,118 The toothbrush, that came in handy for cleaning buttons. 253 00:13:27,118 --> 00:13:29,828 But one of the peculiarities about the Army was that, 254 00:13:29,828 --> 00:13:32,581 though it was a crime to have dirty buttons, 255 00:13:32,581 --> 00:13:34,833 you were never issued with the materials to clean 256 00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:37,420 the buttons, you had to buy them yourself. 257 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:41,466 We were awakened by the bugle, which sounded Reveille. 258 00:13:41,466 --> 00:13:44,386 Wash, shave, pack your bed up and pack your kit. 259 00:13:44,386 --> 00:13:48,890 About half past six, and you would have an hour, PT before breakfast. 260 00:13:48,890 --> 00:13:53,227 Press-ups and physical exercises, arms upward stretch. 261 00:13:53,227 --> 00:13:56,898 They knew you were fresh and they tried to take it by stages, 262 00:13:56,898 --> 00:13:59,818 there wasn't any bullying or anything like that. 263 00:13:59,818 --> 00:14:03,739 Breakfast consisted of bread, butter, 264 00:14:03,739 --> 00:14:06,867 one rasher of Lance Corporal Bacon. 265 00:14:06,867 --> 00:14:09,703 It was streaky bacon, it had one stripe in it. 266 00:14:09,703 --> 00:14:12,497 Well, there was jam and they seemed to make nothing 267 00:14:12,497 --> 00:14:14,458 but plum and apple, you know? 268 00:14:14,458 --> 00:14:17,794 If you got any other kind, it was a celebration event. 269 00:14:19,505 --> 00:14:22,633 There were the Bruce Bairnsfather cartoons depicting that, 270 00:14:22,633 --> 00:14:24,885 handing him a tin of plum and apple jam. 271 00:14:24,885 --> 00:14:26,929 "When the 'ell is it going to be strawberry?" 272 00:14:26,929 --> 00:14:28,848 It was wonderful, that jam. 273 00:14:28,848 --> 00:14:32,435 Tickler's, the jam manufacturers, 274 00:14:32,435 --> 00:14:36,731 they must have made millions of tins of P&A, plum and apple. 275 00:14:36,731 --> 00:14:40,527 # Oh, oh, oh, it's a lovely war 276 00:14:40,527 --> 00:14:43,279 # What do we want with eggs and ham 277 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,867 # When we've got bags of Tickler's Jam? # 278 00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:50,663 And then it would be parade time and the Sergeant would take over 279 00:14:50,663 --> 00:14:53,832 and you'd have a whole morning of marching 280 00:14:53,832 --> 00:14:56,251 and you would learn all commands, 281 00:14:56,251 --> 00:14:59,504 such as "about turn" and all that sort of thing. 282 00:14:59,504 --> 00:15:03,175 Having been in the Boy Scouts, it was dead easy to me. 283 00:15:03,175 --> 00:15:05,552 When you get the order "right dress", 284 00:15:05,552 --> 00:15:08,389 you turn your head only, to the right. 285 00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:10,599 Some of them managed to turn left, 286 00:15:10,599 --> 00:15:13,727 which didn't exactly please the drill Sergeant. 287 00:15:13,727 --> 00:15:16,021 We were all youngsters, we'd come from 288 00:15:16,021 --> 00:15:18,566 fairly sheltered lives and so forth. 289 00:15:18,566 --> 00:15:22,945 This Sergeant of ours was the loudmouth shouting type. 290 00:15:22,945 --> 00:15:27,909 Coming up against military discipline was a shock, 291 00:15:27,909 --> 00:15:32,288 being chased around from pillar to post by disciplinarian NCOs. 292 00:15:32,288 --> 00:15:34,416 Some of the sergeants were shockers. 293 00:15:34,416 --> 00:15:37,794 They would cause a lot of trouble if you were out of step 294 00:15:37,794 --> 00:15:40,756 or if you didn't keep time, or if you didn't handle 295 00:15:40,756 --> 00:15:42,550 your rifle properly. 296 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:44,927 They were always having a go at you. 297 00:15:44,927 --> 00:15:47,346 Most of them were all right, the shouting meant nothing, 298 00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:49,264 but some of them never lost it. 299 00:15:49,264 --> 00:15:54,311 One night I'd gone to bed and this pot was brought round to my bed 300 00:15:54,311 --> 00:15:57,440 and they said, "Oh, you want to do a piss?" 301 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,692 So I did the business in the pot. 302 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:02,361 They'd rested this big, huge pot 303 00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:05,365 which contained gallons, on the door. 304 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:09,744 And when this Sergeant came along to see that everybody 305 00:16:09,744 --> 00:16:12,164 was in bed, this thing turned up and he was drenched 306 00:16:12,164 --> 00:16:14,374 from top to bottom in fluid! 307 00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:16,668 HE LAUGHS 308 00:16:16,668 --> 00:16:19,754 First of all, I was full of enthusiasm. 309 00:16:19,754 --> 00:16:22,841 But after about the first week, I wished I hadn't done it. 310 00:16:22,841 --> 00:16:26,470 Because the discipline was so strict that I was beginning to get 311 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:29,473 a little bit nervous as to what was in store. 312 00:16:29,473 --> 00:16:31,975 We weren't out dancing, anything like that. 313 00:16:31,975 --> 00:16:33,728 We were getting ready for a war. 314 00:16:33,728 --> 00:16:38,440 The thing was, you were in the Army, you had to do as you were told. 315 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,611 You had one master, or dozens, but you just had to get on with it 316 00:16:42,611 --> 00:16:44,030 and that was it. 317 00:16:44,030 --> 00:16:46,199 I did find that right through the Army, 318 00:16:46,199 --> 00:16:49,035 if you behaved yourself, you'd nothing much to fear. 319 00:16:49,035 --> 00:16:51,037 This was quite a new world to us. 320 00:16:51,037 --> 00:16:53,498 I mean, you can imagine. I came out of civilian life, 321 00:16:53,498 --> 00:16:55,791 like all the others did, and we weren't in a position 322 00:16:55,791 --> 00:16:57,920 to argue or object. 323 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,547 It was just a matter of doing what we were told. 324 00:17:00,547 --> 00:17:01,923 I liked it. 325 00:17:01,923 --> 00:17:05,677 I liked to be told what I had to do because there was a reason 326 00:17:05,677 --> 00:17:09,931 for doing it, and later on I realised that was the best training 327 00:17:09,931 --> 00:17:11,558 you could have. 328 00:17:11,558 --> 00:17:14,936 The first week, our route march would be ten miles, 329 00:17:14,936 --> 00:17:18,065 the second week it would be 12, and so on and so on. 330 00:17:18,065 --> 00:17:22,487 It intensified, because it's of the utmost importance 331 00:17:22,487 --> 00:17:26,323 that the infantry soldiers could march with a full kit. 332 00:17:26,323 --> 00:17:29,243 What you had to carry was 109 lbs. 333 00:17:29,243 --> 00:17:32,872 The marching was easy for me, but quite a lot of chaps 334 00:17:32,872 --> 00:17:36,500 who were in sedentary jobs found it pretty hard. 335 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:41,840 It numbed and cramped my muscles on my thighs and calves 336 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,843 until they hurt very much indeed. 337 00:17:44,843 --> 00:17:47,012 Oh, those Army boots. 338 00:17:47,012 --> 00:17:48,513 I could have cried. 339 00:17:48,513 --> 00:17:54,103 My feet and ankles with those heavy Army boots after civilian shoes. 340 00:17:54,103 --> 00:17:57,981 So to get your boots made pliable, you used to urinate in them 341 00:17:57,981 --> 00:18:00,109 and leave it overnight. 342 00:18:00,109 --> 00:18:04,863 Quite a lot of men were clerks or they worked in shops, 343 00:18:04,863 --> 00:18:09,243 and the very nature of their calling didn't make for fitness. 344 00:18:09,243 --> 00:18:12,663 Well, they sent me to hospital and they gave me the cure 345 00:18:12,663 --> 00:18:17,835 for hookworm and I found that I could stand the drill after that. 346 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:20,630 They used to march us all round the West End. 347 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:24,884 Crowds used to foregather, and some of the poor, deluded ones 348 00:18:24,884 --> 00:18:28,262 fell for the con trick and lined up behind us 349 00:18:28,262 --> 00:18:30,891 and we used to march them all down to Chelsea barracks, 350 00:18:30,891 --> 00:18:32,350 where they got signed up. 351 00:18:34,936 --> 00:18:38,148 Lunch would consist of inevitable stew. 352 00:18:38,148 --> 00:18:42,319 Now, you must remember the chaps in the cookhouse were by no means 353 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:44,863 experienced cooks, but anybody can make a stew, 354 00:18:44,863 --> 00:18:46,698 and that's what they did. 355 00:18:46,698 --> 00:18:51,745 Sometimes we got a bit of plum duff and milk puddings and tapioca rice. 356 00:18:51,745 --> 00:18:54,498 It was the good old-fashioned, plain stuff 357 00:18:54,498 --> 00:18:56,125 that I was brought up on. 358 00:18:56,125 --> 00:18:58,461 I had no complaint about it. 359 00:18:58,461 --> 00:19:03,674 In the afternoon, it could be a lecture on Vickers machine guns. 360 00:19:03,674 --> 00:19:07,178 We used to strip the machinegun right down 361 00:19:07,178 --> 00:19:09,096 and put it together again. 362 00:19:09,096 --> 00:19:12,809 And, luckily, I seemed to cotton on to that quite quickly. 363 00:19:12,809 --> 00:19:15,854 We were always told the man's best friend is his rifle, 364 00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:17,564 and it was. 365 00:19:17,564 --> 00:19:22,110 Our rifle was a short Lee-Enfield, a very good rifle indeed. 366 00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:23,945 A real sturdy rifle. 367 00:19:23,945 --> 00:19:28,241 You had your ammunition pouches on both sides of the chest, 368 00:19:28,241 --> 00:19:30,452 to counterbalance the weight of the pack, 369 00:19:30,452 --> 00:19:35,415 and those pouches carried 150 rounds of .303 ammunition. 370 00:19:35,415 --> 00:19:38,085 We were supposed to hold the rifle up in one hand, 371 00:19:38,085 --> 00:19:40,671 but I could never hold a rifle properly. 372 00:19:40,671 --> 00:19:43,424 My right wrist wouldn't hold it up. 373 00:19:43,424 --> 00:19:46,427 I'd never fired a rifle in my life, but on the first day we went 374 00:19:46,427 --> 00:19:47,803 onto the rifle range, 375 00:19:47,803 --> 00:19:50,390 and it was amazing the bull's-eyes I was getting. 376 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:54,185 So, the next thing, I was made a first-class rifleman. 377 00:19:54,185 --> 00:19:56,646 Above all, we learned rapid-fire. 378 00:19:56,646 --> 00:20:00,275 Ten rounds, get those ten rounds onto the target in one minute. 379 00:20:00,275 --> 00:20:02,444 It was known as "the mad minute". 380 00:20:02,444 --> 00:20:05,905 I'd never seen a dead man or anything of that kind, 381 00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:08,659 and I wondered, if it came to my shooting a man, 382 00:20:08,659 --> 00:20:10,702 whether I would be able to do this. 383 00:20:10,702 --> 00:20:13,706 Plunge the bayonet into the sack, shout like hell. 384 00:20:13,706 --> 00:20:16,041 And they would tell you where to put your bayonet. 385 00:20:16,041 --> 00:20:18,543 Either into his left shoulder, his right shoulder, 386 00:20:18,543 --> 00:20:20,671 in the chest or in the body. 387 00:20:20,671 --> 00:20:22,882 We was told to make as much noise as we could. 388 00:20:22,882 --> 00:20:25,050 I think that was to frighten the enemy. 389 00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:28,720 It didn't seem to me to be a likely thing to do, but we used to shout. 390 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,891 When you train as a division, there's 12 battalions, 391 00:20:31,891 --> 00:20:35,019 there's roughly 12,000 men who are on the move, 392 00:20:35,019 --> 00:20:38,939 and you're a very small cog in a big wheel. 393 00:20:38,939 --> 00:20:42,026 Saturday mornings we were let off, but we had to do 394 00:20:42,026 --> 00:20:43,695 sometimes barrack duties. 395 00:20:43,695 --> 00:20:47,157 And then, on Sundays, we were all marched down to church. 396 00:20:47,157 --> 00:20:49,868 It didn't matter what religion you were, you all had to go, 397 00:20:49,868 --> 00:20:51,411 and that was it. 398 00:20:51,411 --> 00:20:54,038 Hardly a day passed without the shout 399 00:20:54,038 --> 00:20:55,332 around the barrack-room, 400 00:20:55,332 --> 00:20:57,709 "Has anybody here had any experience with horses? 401 00:20:57,709 --> 00:21:00,295 "Can anybody here play any musical instruments? 402 00:21:00,295 --> 00:21:02,923 "Anybody had an experience at so and so?" 403 00:21:02,923 --> 00:21:06,552 So gradually, the thousand men who were joined up 404 00:21:06,552 --> 00:21:11,140 as a motley throng, now became a transport man, a bandsman, 405 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:13,100 signalman and so on. 406 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:15,227 You didn't want to mess about on the parade ground 407 00:21:15,227 --> 00:21:17,604 with heavy packs on the route marches. 408 00:21:17,604 --> 00:21:21,359 Most of us wanted to go across and do some scrapping. 409 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,988 After good food, fresh air and physical exercise, 410 00:21:24,988 --> 00:21:27,823 they changed so that their mothers wouldn't have recognised them. 411 00:21:27,823 --> 00:21:32,162 They put on an average of one stone in weight and one inch in height. 412 00:21:32,162 --> 00:21:35,540 Although we hated the sight and sound of our disciplinary sergeants, 413 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:39,336 this reflects greatly to their credit because they knocked us 414 00:21:39,336 --> 00:21:42,046 into shape as regards to marching and foot drills. 415 00:21:42,046 --> 00:21:45,551 But far more than that, they were handsome, 416 00:21:45,551 --> 00:21:48,970 ruddy, upstanding, square-shouldered young men 417 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:51,640 who were afraid of nobody, not even the Sergeant Major. 418 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,267 After the six weeks, we were informed we were going 419 00:21:54,267 --> 00:21:56,771 to be posted overseas. 420 00:21:56,771 --> 00:22:00,858 They said, "You're leaving tomorrow morning for an unknown destination." 421 00:22:00,858 --> 00:22:03,402 You were never told where you were heading for. 422 00:22:03,402 --> 00:22:06,614 I just wanted to fight the Germans, and as far as that was concerned, 423 00:22:06,614 --> 00:22:09,408 it didn't matter tuppence to me where we went. 424 00:22:09,408 --> 00:22:12,453 And when we pushed them through this crash programme 425 00:22:12,453 --> 00:22:14,247 of military training, 426 00:22:14,247 --> 00:22:16,332 they were pushed off to France in batches. 427 00:22:16,332 --> 00:22:19,502 Before we left, the officer said, "well, you haven't had time 428 00:22:19,502 --> 00:22:23,006 "to be made sergeants, so we'll give you a couple of stripes." 429 00:22:23,006 --> 00:22:26,718 So they made us corporals, and in less than no time 430 00:22:26,718 --> 00:22:29,679 we were marched down to the station. 431 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:32,891 In my mind I wondered, "Shall I ever come back?" 432 00:22:32,891 --> 00:22:34,976 I didn't think I would at the time. 433 00:22:34,976 --> 00:22:37,271 I didn't worry about it. 434 00:22:37,271 --> 00:22:40,983 Oh, they were all full of euphoria, they were all glad they were going. 435 00:22:40,983 --> 00:22:42,818 Nobody was crying. 436 00:22:42,818 --> 00:22:45,028 I wrote a postcard when I was in the train 437 00:22:45,028 --> 00:22:47,948 and chucked it out of the window, hoping that it would be delivered 438 00:22:47,948 --> 00:22:49,366 to my family. 439 00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:52,203 We arrived at Folkestone in the evening. 440 00:22:52,203 --> 00:22:55,873 We embarked on one of the old Thames pleasure boats. 441 00:22:55,873 --> 00:23:00,044 Well, pretty crowded, but of course there's only 21 mile 442 00:23:00,044 --> 00:23:02,672 from Dover to Calais on the boat. 443 00:23:02,672 --> 00:23:05,717 There were talks by officers to us as to how to behave ourselves 444 00:23:05,717 --> 00:23:08,845 on foreign soil, and that we've got to respect other people's 445 00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:11,056 modes of conduct. 446 00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:14,852 The biggest number of casualties were NCOs, 447 00:23:14,852 --> 00:23:17,312 and we weren't all too keen about this. 448 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:20,899 So I went into the lavatory and my stripes came off 449 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:23,527 and they disappeared through the porthole. 450 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:26,613 And with that, I went back on deck as a private. 451 00:23:30,534 --> 00:23:32,578 As our horses were brought down the gangways, 452 00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:35,540 I noticed the expression on the men's faces. 453 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:38,376 There were no cheerful, smiling faces coming down 454 00:23:38,376 --> 00:23:39,960 that gangway at all. 455 00:23:42,213 --> 00:23:44,591 It was beautiful weather, very warm, 456 00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:48,344 and every village and town we went through, people rushed out, 457 00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:51,598 bottles of wine, yards of French bread, flowers. 458 00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:54,225 The land flowed in every single aspect. 459 00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:56,394 There were farmers going about their business, 460 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:58,271 the most lovely country. 461 00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:03,235 If we passed a field of carrots, we used to raid the field 462 00:24:03,235 --> 00:24:06,696 and walk along munching the carrots and turnips. 463 00:24:10,868 --> 00:24:13,037 I was dead scared that the war would be over 464 00:24:13,037 --> 00:24:14,455 before I got out to it. 465 00:24:14,455 --> 00:24:16,082 When I got out to France, 466 00:24:16,082 --> 00:24:18,667 I was terribly pleased, really keen. 467 00:24:21,379 --> 00:24:24,340 You just marched and marched until roughly 20 miles 468 00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:26,050 from the trenches. 469 00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:28,761 We knew we were getting close to the line because the gunfire 470 00:24:28,761 --> 00:24:30,930 was becoming more noisy. 471 00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:33,600 I remember the first shell, I was delighted. 472 00:24:36,353 --> 00:24:40,106 We went through towns, villages that were absolutely derelict. 473 00:24:40,106 --> 00:24:43,610 So we never knew where we were, except that we were in Belgium. 474 00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,575 The devastation was something I never could have imagined. 475 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:52,535 The whole place gave one the most eerie sensation. 476 00:24:56,331 --> 00:25:00,044 There was stunted trees, torn to shreds with shellfire 477 00:25:00,044 --> 00:25:03,965 and there was shell holes all over the place. 478 00:25:03,965 --> 00:25:06,884 We were relieving men of the 28th division, 479 00:25:06,884 --> 00:25:10,304 and as they passed us, we would say, "What's it like up there?" 480 00:25:10,304 --> 00:25:13,683 The reply invariably came back, "Bloody awful, mate." 481 00:25:13,683 --> 00:25:17,228 The old sweats coming back got their tails up all right, 482 00:25:17,228 --> 00:25:21,023 but I didn't know what to expect, just hadn't a clue. 483 00:25:21,023 --> 00:25:24,486 It was deadly warfare, you were facing the Germans. 484 00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:30,199 Follow me. 485 00:25:32,869 --> 00:25:34,496 You got the order, "load". 486 00:25:34,496 --> 00:25:38,458 You put nine in your magazine and one up the spout 487 00:25:38,458 --> 00:25:40,210 and you put the safety catch on, 488 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,963 and you always went into the line prepared to use 489 00:25:42,963 --> 00:25:44,590 your rifle immediately. 490 00:25:46,425 --> 00:25:49,178 That's when you got rigid orders, no talking whatsoever, 491 00:25:49,178 --> 00:25:50,805 keep your head down. 492 00:25:50,805 --> 00:25:52,849 Single file, no smoking. 493 00:25:52,849 --> 00:25:56,144 The captain would then direct you right to the front trenches. 494 00:25:59,647 --> 00:26:02,192 Before a man goes into the trenches, he usually carries 495 00:26:02,192 --> 00:26:06,946 a roll of barbed wire or a bag of bombs, besides his own equipment. 496 00:26:06,946 --> 00:26:09,657 That's the way to get the stuff up to the front line. 497 00:26:09,657 --> 00:26:12,452 Now, a guide would always be sent out. 498 00:26:12,452 --> 00:26:15,164 Extend this part of the trench over there. 499 00:26:15,164 --> 00:26:16,665 What, that way? That's it. 500 00:26:16,665 --> 00:26:18,417 The trenches in France were a maze. 501 00:26:18,417 --> 00:26:21,127 If you didn't have a guide, you could very soon get lost. 502 00:26:21,127 --> 00:26:23,839 Smile, so your mother thinks I'm looking after you. 503 00:26:26,425 --> 00:26:28,218 Coming up, coming up! 504 00:26:32,682 --> 00:26:34,725 The trenches weren't in one straight line. 505 00:26:34,725 --> 00:26:38,229 They were built on what they call a Travis System. 506 00:26:38,229 --> 00:26:41,148 The Travis would break up the shellfire 507 00:26:41,148 --> 00:26:44,485 and stop it spreading right along the trench. 508 00:26:44,485 --> 00:26:46,237 There was a front line of trenches 509 00:26:46,237 --> 00:26:48,614 and then there was a second line of trenches. 510 00:26:48,614 --> 00:26:52,953 The support line would be about 50 yards or more behind the front line. 511 00:26:52,953 --> 00:26:55,621 In between, there would be communication trenches 512 00:26:55,621 --> 00:26:58,041 so that they could move through if the front line 513 00:26:58,041 --> 00:26:59,792 was under jeopardy. 514 00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:03,172 First impression I got of the trenches was they were 515 00:27:03,172 --> 00:27:05,215 very much lived in. 516 00:27:05,215 --> 00:27:07,217 We had to take them as we found them. 517 00:27:07,217 --> 00:27:10,887 You would see an overcoat hanging from a wooden peg. 518 00:27:10,887 --> 00:27:14,600 You would see a mess tin with some tea in it. 519 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,728 A dugout, which had a piece of blanket in it, 520 00:27:17,728 --> 00:27:19,897 a bed made of sandbags. 521 00:27:19,897 --> 00:27:22,983 Our world was divided by no-man's-land, 522 00:27:22,983 --> 00:27:24,777 a sort of Iron Curtain, 523 00:27:24,777 --> 00:27:28,698 beyond which were bogey men who would kill you if they ever saw you. 524 00:27:28,698 --> 00:27:31,868 As you look through your periscope, all you could see were hundreds 525 00:27:31,868 --> 00:27:36,831 of shell holes, your barbed wire and the German barbed wire. 526 00:27:36,831 --> 00:27:39,751 You could see dead bodies hanging on the barbed wire 527 00:27:39,751 --> 00:27:42,796 and they may have been there for a long, long time. 528 00:27:42,796 --> 00:27:45,841 It was one of the most desolate looking places in the world. 529 00:27:45,841 --> 00:27:50,262 You never saw a sign of life, and yet you knew very well that, 530 00:27:50,262 --> 00:27:54,724 within shouting range, there were hundreds and hundreds of men. 531 00:27:54,724 --> 00:27:57,436 A platoon of about 50 men would have about 100 yards 532 00:27:57,436 --> 00:28:00,939 of front line trenches as their responsibility. 533 00:28:00,939 --> 00:28:03,192 There were signs all over the trenches, 534 00:28:03,192 --> 00:28:06,779 Piccadilly Circus and Regent Street and all that sort of thing, 535 00:28:06,779 --> 00:28:08,531 telling you where water points were 536 00:28:08,531 --> 00:28:11,075 and which was the most dangerous part of the land 537 00:28:11,075 --> 00:28:13,243 with regard to snipers. 538 00:28:13,243 --> 00:28:15,913 You had to be extremely careful because a bullet could go 539 00:28:15,913 --> 00:28:18,708 through one layer of sandbags quite easily. 540 00:28:18,708 --> 00:28:21,294 I was talking to a bloke one day and, pop, 541 00:28:21,294 --> 00:28:23,547 his head was bashed in like an egg. 542 00:28:23,547 --> 00:28:26,841 He just happened to be in a place where a sniper could get an aim. 543 00:28:28,259 --> 00:28:31,012 We used to do a four-day stint in a line. 544 00:28:31,012 --> 00:28:35,517 We took with us sufficient food to last the four days. 545 00:28:36,977 --> 00:28:38,854 Go on, lads, give our love to Jerry. 546 00:28:38,854 --> 00:28:40,314 Mind yourselves out there. 547 00:28:40,314 --> 00:28:44,443 Your day would start before dawn when NCOs would go round 548 00:28:44,443 --> 00:28:47,488 this 100 yards and make sure everybody was alive. 549 00:28:47,488 --> 00:28:51,117 Of a day in the trenches, you had two hours on, four off. 550 00:28:51,117 --> 00:28:53,286 A third of the people were on sentry duty, 551 00:28:53,286 --> 00:28:56,122 a third working and a third sleeping. 552 00:28:56,122 --> 00:28:57,915 We just slept where we were. 553 00:28:57,915 --> 00:29:00,543 No beds, just flopped down on the ground. 554 00:29:00,543 --> 00:29:03,128 Been to the pictures, mate! 555 00:29:03,128 --> 00:29:06,299 The trench was very wet and, wherever possible, we would try 556 00:29:06,299 --> 00:29:07,884 and get above the water. 557 00:29:07,884 --> 00:29:10,554 We were able to dig out the side of the trench 558 00:29:10,554 --> 00:29:13,097 and that was when we used to steal our sleep 559 00:29:13,097 --> 00:29:15,600 on the two-on and four-off stretch. 560 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520 And then you'd have your couple of hours on the parapet 561 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,313 and then rest again. 562 00:29:20,313 --> 00:29:23,483 If nothing untoward happened, there would be perhaps 563 00:29:23,483 --> 00:29:27,154 two or three sentry groups in the whole company's front. 564 00:29:27,154 --> 00:29:29,323 EXPLOSIONS BOOM IN DISTANCE 565 00:29:38,832 --> 00:29:40,584 It was a job to keep awake. 566 00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,546 Woe betide you if you were caught asleep. 567 00:29:43,546 --> 00:29:46,674 If you are so tired, you can sleep standing up, 568 00:29:46,674 --> 00:29:48,468 which I've done many times. 569 00:29:49,885 --> 00:29:55,099 The first thing you did when you got into the line was to have a brew-up. 570 00:29:55,099 --> 00:29:57,477 There was one thing about the Vickers gun, 571 00:29:57,477 --> 00:29:59,271 it being a water-cooled weapon, 572 00:29:59,271 --> 00:30:01,731 if you were continuously firing, you'd find that the water 573 00:30:01,731 --> 00:30:04,609 would be boiling. You could disconnect the tube 574 00:30:04,609 --> 00:30:06,111 and make a cup of tea. 575 00:30:06,111 --> 00:30:09,030 The water came up in two-gallon petrol cans. 576 00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:11,492 And we could taste the petrol in it because they couldn't 577 00:30:11,492 --> 00:30:13,368 wash it completely out. 578 00:30:16,329 --> 00:30:18,582 In every bay was a little fireplace. 579 00:30:18,582 --> 00:30:23,045 You used tiny slivers of wood because if you made smoke 580 00:30:23,045 --> 00:30:25,131 in the front line, over would come a shell. 581 00:30:25,131 --> 00:30:26,382 I fancy a brew. 582 00:30:26,382 --> 00:30:28,843 But save a drop of that tea to shave with. 583 00:30:28,843 --> 00:30:31,304 Because we had to shave in the front line. 584 00:30:31,304 --> 00:30:34,098 We used to put a lot of tins out on the parapet 585 00:30:34,098 --> 00:30:37,518 if it rained. You daren't touch any of the other water. 586 00:30:37,518 --> 00:30:40,355 We were scooping water out of shell holes, 587 00:30:40,355 --> 00:30:42,440 there might have been dead bodies underneath. 588 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,526 We thought as long as we boiled it for a long time, 589 00:30:44,526 --> 00:30:46,653 all the green stuff would come off the top. 590 00:30:46,653 --> 00:30:49,364 Nice and gentle. Anyway, we'd made tea with it. 591 00:30:49,364 --> 00:30:51,741 That's how I got my dose of dysentery. 592 00:30:51,741 --> 00:30:54,328 Of course, there was no sanitary arrangements. 593 00:30:54,328 --> 00:30:56,580 They'd dig a trench and stick a pole across, 594 00:30:56,580 --> 00:31:00,333 and you'd get about seven or eight chaps on the pole. 595 00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:02,545 God, to have a clear-out was terrible. 596 00:31:02,545 --> 00:31:04,171 FLIES BUZZ 597 00:31:04,171 --> 00:31:06,632 People used to go to the toilet with no privacy. 598 00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:10,052 Being rather a shy nature, if I had pissed with somebody, 599 00:31:10,052 --> 00:31:11,511 I felt a bit nervous. 600 00:31:11,511 --> 00:31:14,473 But when you were in the Army, you got quite used to it. 601 00:31:14,473 --> 00:31:17,143 Of course, it didn't matter a damn because there was no women 602 00:31:17,143 --> 00:31:18,561 or anything like that. 603 00:31:18,561 --> 00:31:21,189 The flies used to crawl over your bottom. 604 00:31:21,189 --> 00:31:22,523 Most unpleasant. 605 00:31:22,523 --> 00:31:24,400 And no such thing as toilet rolls. 606 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,569 You had to wipe your behind with your hand. 607 00:31:26,569 --> 00:31:29,072 Your hands might have been in all sorts of things, 608 00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:30,740 but you never washed. 609 00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:32,409 Well, you heard a terrific shout... 610 00:31:32,409 --> 00:31:34,077 MEN SHOUT AND YELL, LOUD THUD 611 00:31:34,077 --> 00:31:36,996 ..and the pole had snapped and the poor men 612 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:39,416 who were sitting on the bar fell down in the muck! 613 00:31:39,416 --> 00:31:41,251 MEN LAUGH 614 00:31:41,251 --> 00:31:44,255 There was always the humorous side of the war. 615 00:31:44,255 --> 00:31:47,383 We had to put rifles down for them to hang onto, 616 00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:52,262 and they came out like slimy rabbits and nobody wanted to go near them. 617 00:31:54,723 --> 00:31:57,685 We had no spare clothes at all and you were living for weeks 618 00:31:57,685 --> 00:32:00,646 without washing or getting a bath. 619 00:32:00,646 --> 00:32:04,692 I personally became really badly infested and chatty, 620 00:32:04,692 --> 00:32:07,361 as we used to call it, with these lice. 621 00:32:07,361 --> 00:32:09,823 Oh, lice was a dreadful problem. 622 00:32:09,823 --> 00:32:13,368 They were funny little things, like little monster sort of things, 623 00:32:13,368 --> 00:32:16,454 with six legs, and they used to feed ten times a day. 624 00:32:16,454 --> 00:32:18,123 You had to kill the bloody things. 625 00:32:18,123 --> 00:32:20,500 My favourite way was burning them. 626 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,461 You would run the seams over the lighted candle 627 00:32:23,461 --> 00:32:26,090 and you could hear the eggs going pop, pop, pop, pop. 628 00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,799 POPPING 629 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,427 The sooner you got the shirt back again, the heat of the body 630 00:32:30,427 --> 00:32:32,346 hatched the eggs that you'd missed. 631 00:32:33,764 --> 00:32:36,392 And we was just as lousy the next day. 632 00:32:39,144 --> 00:32:42,481 Each man prepared his own breakfast. 633 00:32:42,481 --> 00:32:46,318 Bread and jam was about 16 men to a loaf of bread. 634 00:32:48,028 --> 00:32:50,364 There'd be a little bit of bacon which would suffice 635 00:32:50,364 --> 00:32:52,492 for half a dozen men. 636 00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:55,828 You'd put your rasher of bacon in your mess tin lid, 637 00:32:55,828 --> 00:33:00,374 put a few more sticks on your fire and you would fry your bacon. 638 00:33:00,374 --> 00:33:03,378 And then soak up the fat with a piece of biscuit 639 00:33:03,378 --> 00:33:05,505 and then there you are with the breakfast. 640 00:33:05,505 --> 00:33:08,216 Dinner time was mostly bully beef cut up and stewed, 641 00:33:08,216 --> 00:33:11,261 along with all sorts of vegetables from tins. 642 00:33:11,261 --> 00:33:14,556 Magonoghie's tinned stew was mixed up with the bully beef. 643 00:33:14,556 --> 00:33:18,018 I've gone into French dugouts and eaten biscuits 644 00:33:18,018 --> 00:33:20,687 which had been left by the troops two years previously, 645 00:33:20,687 --> 00:33:25,025 and tasted the green mould in them, but it didn't do me any harm. 646 00:33:25,025 --> 00:33:28,446 This was how it was. Anything's good, you know, when you're hungry. 647 00:33:28,446 --> 00:33:30,864 And you were always hungry. HE LAUGHS 648 00:33:32,157 --> 00:33:34,952 But any given moment, we could expect to be shelled. 649 00:33:34,952 --> 00:33:37,079 SHELL WHIZZES AND BANGS 650 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,457 You had very little protection against that. 651 00:33:39,457 --> 00:33:43,294 One would hear a mild pop as the gun fired five miles away. 652 00:33:45,547 --> 00:33:48,299 And in the five or six seconds it took to come, 653 00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:51,595 you can pass through quite a number of psychological changes. 654 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,187 I can't remember anything more nerve-racking 655 00:34:00,187 --> 00:34:04,149 than the continuous shelling, without stop, went on day and night. 656 00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:07,569 But we were always told that you never heard the shell that hit you 657 00:34:07,569 --> 00:34:10,531 because most of them travelled faster than sound. 658 00:34:10,531 --> 00:34:14,785 But you could literally feel your heart pounding against the ground. 659 00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,371 The emotional strain was absolutely terrific. 660 00:34:17,371 --> 00:34:19,665 Although a shell might burst 50 yards away, 661 00:34:19,665 --> 00:34:22,460 you might find a fragment of jagged iron, 662 00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:24,587 really red hot and weighing half a pound, 663 00:34:24,587 --> 00:34:26,839 arriving in your trench. 664 00:34:26,839 --> 00:34:29,342 You see people blown to little bits. 665 00:34:29,342 --> 00:34:31,719 I've actually had to put a man in a sandbag. 666 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,930 Every now and again, there would be a great roar 667 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:36,015 like an aeroplane coming in to land... 668 00:34:36,015 --> 00:34:37,266 LOUD BANG 669 00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:39,770 ..and in a fifth of a second, your resolution would break 670 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:41,647 and you'd throw yourself down into the mud 671 00:34:41,647 --> 00:34:43,940 and the other ones would laugh at you. 672 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:46,860 The shrapnel shell would burst in the air and spray bullets 673 00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:48,445 on the troops below. 674 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,699 As if they were from a shotgun. 675 00:34:53,617 --> 00:34:57,162 The bullets came down, whistling like all the hobs of hell. 676 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,878 Another one of the annoyances we had was the Germans 677 00:35:03,878 --> 00:35:05,504 were very active with mining. 678 00:35:07,506 --> 00:35:09,592 We crouched down underneath the front parapet 679 00:35:09,592 --> 00:35:11,094 to dodge the debris falling, 680 00:35:11,094 --> 00:35:14,847 and I got the men to open up rapid fire to prevent the Germans 681 00:35:14,847 --> 00:35:18,435 from getting into that crater where they could bomb us. 682 00:35:18,435 --> 00:35:21,354 If the front line gets damaged, it's got to be repaired. 683 00:35:21,354 --> 00:35:23,064 Well, the people who are in the line, 684 00:35:23,064 --> 00:35:24,816 they've got to get on with it. 685 00:35:24,816 --> 00:35:29,279 I had in my mind that we expected big gunfire to light amongst 686 00:35:29,279 --> 00:35:32,616 all us cavalry and absolutely swipe us off the face of the Earth. 687 00:35:36,495 --> 00:35:38,413 I shouted, "Gallop!" like that. 688 00:35:38,413 --> 00:35:40,708 They dropped 'em all at once, the horses. 689 00:35:42,042 --> 00:35:44,294 Oh, a heck of a mess. 690 00:35:44,294 --> 00:35:47,298 The horses were laying down, with their intestines hanging out, 691 00:35:47,298 --> 00:35:50,342 and men with matter hanging out of theirs. 692 00:35:50,342 --> 00:35:52,845 "And that, boys," they said, "the bloody Germans!" 693 00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:55,849 To lose a horse was like losing a friend. 694 00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:58,642 The Brigadier turned to our captain and he says, 695 00:35:58,642 --> 00:36:00,645 "See that the boy has two or three days' rest. 696 00:36:00,645 --> 00:36:02,272 "When a boy likes an animal like that, 697 00:36:02,272 --> 00:36:04,732 "there's not a lot wrong with him." 698 00:36:04,732 --> 00:36:07,360 Over the whole of the front line, there was a smell. 699 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,612 It wasn't a complicated smell, 700 00:36:09,612 --> 00:36:12,657 it was the smell of decaying corpses. 701 00:36:12,657 --> 00:36:14,868 Nasty, sickly smell. 702 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:16,453 You never forgot that smell. 703 00:36:16,453 --> 00:36:19,039 FLIES BUZZ 704 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,666 It was the smell of death. 705 00:36:20,666 --> 00:36:24,920 If you've ever smelt a dead mouse, it was like that, but hundreds 706 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,880 and hundreds of times worse. 707 00:36:28,757 --> 00:36:30,217 It seemed to cling to everything. 708 00:36:30,217 --> 00:36:33,888 When you was having your food, you could taste it. 709 00:36:33,888 --> 00:36:38,935 The awful stench and bits of human bodies laying about, 710 00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:41,520 it became an everyday thing. 711 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,733 We thought, well, it'll be you too next, what does it matter? 712 00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:51,072 Wherever there was a grave or a body, there were rats. 713 00:36:51,072 --> 00:36:52,282 They were all big fat ones 714 00:36:52,282 --> 00:36:54,952 and we knew where they got the fat from. 715 00:36:54,952 --> 00:37:00,332 Unpleasant animals, because of the filtration into the graves. 716 00:37:00,332 --> 00:37:03,710 They used to feed on the dead and come in the dugouts, 717 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:05,254 pick up scraps in there. 718 00:37:05,254 --> 00:37:07,256 I woke up in the bottom of the trench 719 00:37:07,256 --> 00:37:09,716 and felt something warm on my face. 720 00:37:09,716 --> 00:37:12,720 And a little heart going bang, bang, bang. 721 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,389 The devil scratched my face with the claws of his hind feet 722 00:37:15,389 --> 00:37:16,557 as he took off. 723 00:37:16,557 --> 00:37:18,976 We used to try and shoot them, hit them, kill them, 724 00:37:18,976 --> 00:37:20,478 chase them, do anything. 725 00:37:20,478 --> 00:37:22,021 GUNSHOTS AND BANGING, RATS SQUEAK 726 00:37:22,021 --> 00:37:24,064 Then you've got gas. 727 00:37:24,064 --> 00:37:27,193 We saw this green cloud coming towards us. 728 00:37:27,193 --> 00:37:29,236 Just rolling slowly along the ground. 729 00:37:29,236 --> 00:37:30,822 They'd shout "gas"... MEN SHOUT 730 00:37:30,822 --> 00:37:33,032 ..and you had to take your mask out and stick it on 731 00:37:33,032 --> 00:37:34,575 in two, three seconds. 732 00:37:34,575 --> 00:37:38,914 Yes, it was phosgene gas, later on there was mustard gas. 733 00:37:38,914 --> 00:37:40,832 That was very effective. 734 00:37:40,832 --> 00:37:44,002 I never saw a slightly gassed man. 735 00:37:44,002 --> 00:37:47,130 If you couldn't get your gas mask, you were to pee on your handkerchief 736 00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,383 and stuff this round your nose and mouth. 737 00:37:49,383 --> 00:37:51,885 I don't mind admitting that I didn't think much of the 738 00:37:51,885 --> 00:37:54,929 urinating on the handkerchief, so I went into one of 739 00:37:54,929 --> 00:37:58,475 the trench's latrines and I stuck my head in a bucket. 740 00:37:58,475 --> 00:38:00,727 But I'll tell you, I couldn't hold my breath any more, 741 00:38:00,727 --> 00:38:03,731 came up, took a good breath of air, down again. 742 00:38:03,731 --> 00:38:05,899 We were very soon enveloped in this thick, 743 00:38:05,899 --> 00:38:07,693 yellow, filthy cloud. 744 00:38:07,693 --> 00:38:10,988 The more we tried to get rid of the sting in our eyes, 745 00:38:10,988 --> 00:38:12,657 the worse it got. 746 00:38:14,742 --> 00:38:16,953 And I thought deeply of what the effect of blindness 747 00:38:16,953 --> 00:38:18,621 was going to be. 748 00:38:18,621 --> 00:38:22,584 The extraction of clotted blood and the injection of saline 749 00:38:22,584 --> 00:38:24,753 could alleviate a lot of the trouble. 750 00:38:24,753 --> 00:38:27,798 And as I was gassed myself, I can speak from experience. 751 00:38:30,091 --> 00:38:32,803 In the winter time, as the weather deteriorated, 752 00:38:32,803 --> 00:38:36,014 so the trenches got more and more sodden with water 753 00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:38,308 until they just became ditches. 754 00:38:38,308 --> 00:38:41,020 The water was swirling about our feet and rising higher 755 00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:44,481 and higher until it reached our chests. 756 00:38:44,481 --> 00:38:47,401 Our difficulty was frostbite. 757 00:38:47,401 --> 00:38:51,155 Our gumboots filled with water, and in the mornings we could not 758 00:38:51,155 --> 00:38:54,950 split them off because they were frozen to our feet. 759 00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:57,162 When you're talking about trench feet, 760 00:38:57,162 --> 00:38:58,746 you're talking about gangrene. 761 00:38:58,746 --> 00:39:03,084 Send him straight down the line, hack the legs off. 762 00:39:03,084 --> 00:39:04,961 Give us a hand with that, will you? 763 00:39:04,961 --> 00:39:09,132 When the water had soaked into the earth, the floors of the trenches 764 00:39:09,132 --> 00:39:14,053 were just paved with liquid mud, and that became like glue. 765 00:39:14,053 --> 00:39:18,183 It was a curious sucking kind of mud. 766 00:39:18,183 --> 00:39:20,769 Very disgusting indeed, very tenacious. 767 00:39:20,769 --> 00:39:22,437 It stuck to you. 768 00:39:22,437 --> 00:39:26,024 If one had to go to the rear for rations, 769 00:39:26,024 --> 00:39:28,443 well, that was just a nightmare journey. 770 00:39:28,443 --> 00:39:30,195 Slithering about. 771 00:39:30,195 --> 00:39:33,532 When it was pouring with rain and on slippery duck boards, 772 00:39:33,532 --> 00:39:35,993 the language was really edifying. 773 00:39:35,993 --> 00:39:38,787 You heard words that you never dream existed. 774 00:39:38,787 --> 00:39:42,000 And if you slipped off the duck boards, you just sank into the mud 775 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,211 of decomposed bodies of humans and mules, 776 00:39:45,211 --> 00:39:47,547 and that was the end of you. 777 00:39:47,547 --> 00:39:50,925 The boy, he was in the middle of this huge sea of mud, struggling, 778 00:39:50,925 --> 00:39:52,552 and we couldn't do a thing. 779 00:39:52,552 --> 00:39:54,053 There was no hope of getting to him. 780 00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:56,848 The look on the lad's face, and he was a mere boy, 781 00:39:56,848 --> 00:39:58,892 was really pathetic. COUGHING AND SPLUTTERING 782 00:39:58,892 --> 00:40:02,562 I've seen men sinking into the mud and dying in the slime. 783 00:40:02,562 --> 00:40:05,231 I think it absolutely finished me off. 784 00:40:06,775 --> 00:40:09,277 It was supposed to be quiet and then you might get 785 00:40:09,277 --> 00:40:12,197 some drunken German saying, "I'm going to give them hell today," 786 00:40:12,197 --> 00:40:13,866 and opened up with all his batteries 787 00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:15,868 and catch hundreds of people in the line-up. 788 00:40:15,868 --> 00:40:19,413 And that was what they called holding the line. 789 00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:23,209 We were in conditions that isolated us completely from civilisation. 790 00:40:23,209 --> 00:40:27,588 We got so generate, so isolated living in this mud. 791 00:40:27,588 --> 00:40:31,342 And you could sympathise with how a rabbit must feel 792 00:40:31,342 --> 00:40:34,595 because we were hunted by mankind, just the same as a rabbit. 793 00:40:34,595 --> 00:40:37,098 You knew your lives were in one another's hands 794 00:40:37,098 --> 00:40:39,767 and it united you very closely and you didn't let anything 795 00:40:39,767 --> 00:40:41,769 interfere with that. 796 00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:44,189 You knew what was going on within your vision. 797 00:40:44,189 --> 00:40:47,108 Beyond that, you hadn't got a clue. HARMONICA PLAYS 798 00:40:47,108 --> 00:40:50,820 You didn't care how the war was going, whether we were winning. 799 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:52,864 You weren't bothered with that at all. 800 00:40:52,864 --> 00:40:55,867 You lived like tramps, you didn't polish any buttons, 801 00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:59,580 you wore any uniformed bits that you liked and nobody worried. 802 00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:02,708 All they were concerned with was that you were fit to fight. 803 00:41:02,708 --> 00:41:04,877 If nothing's happening, you chat about life, 804 00:41:04,877 --> 00:41:07,129 where he came from and you came from. 805 00:41:07,129 --> 00:41:08,422 Everything was friendly. 806 00:41:08,422 --> 00:41:10,633 There was a terrific lot of kindness in a way, 807 00:41:10,633 --> 00:41:12,093 to each person. 808 00:41:12,093 --> 00:41:15,096 When the war was not very active, it was really rather fun 809 00:41:15,096 --> 00:41:16,680 to be in the front line. 810 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,143 It was not very dangerous, the sort of outdoor camping holiday 811 00:41:20,143 --> 00:41:24,940 with the boys, with a slight spice of danger to make it interesting. 812 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:28,651 We used to raid the trenches and get a prisoner if possible. 813 00:41:28,651 --> 00:41:32,530 And a typical trench raid would be perhaps eight in passing. 814 00:41:33,906 --> 00:41:36,160 If you was going to make a raid, somebody would cut 815 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,412 a passage through the wire at night-time. 816 00:41:41,122 --> 00:41:43,375 The only way to do it was silently... 817 00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:47,796 ..to rush it, and that was the arrangement. 818 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:50,090 We would bomb and bayonet the Germans coming out 819 00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:52,718 on their hands and knees out the dugout, we'd smack them 820 00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:55,304 over the head and throw in a couple of bombs. 821 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,353 And there were three ways of getting rid of him. 822 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,481 One was to knife him, garrotte him or to bayonet him. 823 00:42:05,481 --> 00:42:08,693 Quietest was the quick wrap around the throat 824 00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,194 and knife into the back. 825 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,492 I threw a revolver at poor little Rudolph, 826 00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:17,828 he was only about 18. 827 00:42:17,828 --> 00:42:19,412 I hit him in the face with it. 828 00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:22,082 He screamed and came back at me, and that's when I got him. 829 00:42:22,082 --> 00:42:24,501 Got him with a Very pistol. 830 00:42:24,501 --> 00:42:26,336 Well done, chaps! Good raid! 831 00:42:26,336 --> 00:42:28,963 I always had a full flask and I gave him a drink. 832 00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:30,924 I felt very sorry for him. 833 00:42:30,924 --> 00:42:34,052 He said, "Danke schoen, das ist gut," and died. 834 00:42:41,685 --> 00:42:45,064 And it was a very successful raid, they got two prisoners, I think, 835 00:42:45,064 --> 00:42:47,316 which was all they all wanted. 836 00:42:47,316 --> 00:42:50,236 By the way, the men who were captured on the trench raid 837 00:42:50,236 --> 00:42:55,283 were the first Germans I saw on the Western Front. 838 00:42:55,283 --> 00:42:58,494 A lot of the German troops, they were very good, very friendly. 839 00:42:58,494 --> 00:43:02,332 In fact, some of those Bavarians were dammed good, decent people. 840 00:43:02,332 --> 00:43:04,625 The snipers would fire but not hit anybody, 841 00:43:04,625 --> 00:43:05,836 know what I mean? 842 00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:10,048 They put up a sign - "Gott mit uns." 843 00:43:10,048 --> 00:43:11,800 God is with us. 844 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,887 And we put a sign up in English - "We've got mittens too!" 845 00:43:14,887 --> 00:43:17,514 We don't know if the Germans enjoyed that joke or not. 846 00:43:17,514 --> 00:43:20,642 There was a wounded German, he was a Wartenberger, I think. 847 00:43:20,642 --> 00:43:22,894 We did what we could for him, we gave him a bit of food 848 00:43:22,894 --> 00:43:26,607 and that sort of thing, and he was cursing the Prussians. 849 00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:30,861 The Saxons were in front of us and they gave us the warning 850 00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:34,449 that there were going to be relieved by the Prussians. 851 00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:37,494 And they said to us, "Give them hell." 852 00:43:37,494 --> 00:43:39,704 They hated the Prussians. 853 00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:41,623 The Prussians were cruel bastards. 854 00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:45,919 Hurry up! This way. Schnell, schnell! 855 00:43:45,919 --> 00:43:48,171 Watch yourself. Come along! 856 00:43:48,171 --> 00:43:50,215 The Bavarians or the Saxonians, 857 00:43:50,215 --> 00:43:52,593 they were the more civilised of the Germans. 858 00:43:52,593 --> 00:43:54,385 Part English, if anything. 859 00:43:57,472 --> 00:44:00,558 After a four-day spell in the front line, 860 00:44:00,558 --> 00:44:04,313 we were relieved and we had to march back to the billets 861 00:44:04,313 --> 00:44:06,648 a few miles behind the lines. 862 00:44:06,648 --> 00:44:10,194 We were going for a supposed one-week's rest. 863 00:44:10,194 --> 00:44:12,279 Everybody was dead whacked. 864 00:44:12,279 --> 00:44:14,115 We were all pretty knocked up. 865 00:44:14,115 --> 00:44:16,284 We extricated ourselves from the mud 866 00:44:16,284 --> 00:44:19,328 to what was, somewhat ironically, called rest. 867 00:44:19,328 --> 00:44:22,998 In the front line itself, you didn't criticise people 868 00:44:22,998 --> 00:44:25,626 and if you had a chap who was a bit dicky, 869 00:44:25,626 --> 00:44:28,087 you would keep an eye on him, just like in a family. 870 00:44:28,087 --> 00:44:30,715 But when you got out of the line, you'd want nothing to do 871 00:44:30,715 --> 00:44:32,133 with those people at all. 872 00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:34,344 I mean, you can't call it comradeship exactly, 873 00:44:34,344 --> 00:44:35,804 it was the way you did it. 874 00:44:35,804 --> 00:44:38,640 Come and get your mail! Welcome back! 875 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,519 The thing which always struck me as being absolutely stupid 876 00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,982 was the next morning, every man had to be spick and span, 877 00:44:46,982 --> 00:44:48,566 not a trace of mud on him. 878 00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:54,198 You'd brush off clothes or dry them off the best way you could 879 00:44:54,198 --> 00:44:55,657 and clean your boots. 880 00:44:55,657 --> 00:44:58,285 In other words, smarten yourself up. 881 00:44:58,285 --> 00:45:01,372 THEY PLAY It's A Long Way To Tipperary 882 00:45:11,091 --> 00:45:13,593 The men would always appear the same - 883 00:45:13,593 --> 00:45:17,472 cheerful and, in the circumstances, happy as they could be, 884 00:45:17,472 --> 00:45:19,432 making the best of everything. 885 00:45:19,432 --> 00:45:21,976 You know, in true British fashion. 886 00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:27,358 What? The Cockney wit was prevalent and we were all lads together, 887 00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:30,486 you know, we didn't care about it. 888 00:45:30,486 --> 00:45:34,615 We'd make a fuss about nothing, the little things that didn't matter 889 00:45:34,615 --> 00:45:37,868 really, because it was something to fill the time in. 890 00:45:37,868 --> 00:45:40,621 We used to have to make our own amusements. 891 00:45:40,621 --> 00:45:41,914 Bloody bastard! 892 00:45:41,914 --> 00:45:43,583 You laughed at the slightest things. 893 00:45:43,583 --> 00:45:46,836 I think probably it was the general tension of the atmosphere 894 00:45:46,836 --> 00:45:49,005 that used to make us like that, you know? 895 00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:54,677 My mother sent me a parcel with a plum pudding, of all things, 896 00:45:54,677 --> 00:45:57,305 and had no thought of not being able to cook it, 897 00:45:57,305 --> 00:45:58,932 so we used it as a rugby ball. 898 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,520 We had this regimental sports day. 899 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,106 And I won't say I was the only sober one, 900 00:46:06,106 --> 00:46:09,317 but most of them were merry about it. 901 00:46:13,863 --> 00:46:15,782 MEN LAUGH AND SHOUT 902 00:46:17,493 --> 00:46:20,120 I mean, you took part in everything because you had to fill 903 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,498 your time in, you know. 904 00:46:22,498 --> 00:46:24,542 Otherwise all you did was sit about and smoke. 905 00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:26,544 CHILDREN LAUGH 906 00:46:28,671 --> 00:46:32,257 The only time we saw the artillery was when we was out of rest. 907 00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:33,968 Fire! 908 00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:39,098 They would be, say, two miles behind the line. 909 00:46:40,809 --> 00:46:43,061 Fire! 910 00:46:43,061 --> 00:46:45,897 We wanted to neutralise enemy batteries, so we were registering 911 00:46:45,897 --> 00:46:47,732 our batteries on his. Fire! 912 00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:52,112 We used to know the line and elevation 913 00:46:52,112 --> 00:46:53,947 because it was done by aircraft. 914 00:46:56,241 --> 00:46:59,411 It was pretty ghastly, but the idea was to kill as many German gunners 915 00:46:59,411 --> 00:47:00,704 as you could. 916 00:47:00,704 --> 00:47:01,955 Ready! 917 00:47:03,873 --> 00:47:05,542 Fire! 918 00:47:12,049 --> 00:47:15,093 There was no motorised transport for guns. 919 00:47:15,093 --> 00:47:17,847 The guns used to be brought up by horses. 920 00:47:17,847 --> 00:47:19,474 Eight horses to each gun team. 921 00:47:19,474 --> 00:47:21,183 Four horses to each wagon team. 922 00:47:21,183 --> 00:47:22,685 About 60 horses. 923 00:47:24,228 --> 00:47:27,106 The gunners made a filthy noise, jingling and jingling 924 00:47:27,106 --> 00:47:29,108 and the horses making noises both ends. 925 00:47:29,108 --> 00:47:31,277 And it was always of great concern for those of us 926 00:47:31,277 --> 00:47:32,904 who were going into battle. 927 00:47:32,904 --> 00:47:35,615 Heave! MEN GRUNT, HORSES BRAY 928 00:47:37,242 --> 00:47:38,659 Heave! 929 00:47:43,706 --> 00:47:45,959 Each company officer paid his own company. 930 00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:49,588 Now, it was generally the first morning after we were out 931 00:47:49,588 --> 00:47:52,341 of the line, you got five francs. 932 00:47:52,341 --> 00:47:55,177 A franc was worth 10p, so 50p was your pay 933 00:47:55,177 --> 00:47:57,388 for a fortnight, 50p. 934 00:47:57,388 --> 00:48:00,391 Now, that's a week of riotous living. 935 00:48:00,391 --> 00:48:03,811 Every town of any size at all had a brothel 936 00:48:03,811 --> 00:48:07,440 and that was where most of these boys learned a little bit 937 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,943 more about life than they would ever have done in normal civil life. 938 00:48:10,943 --> 00:48:13,863 So although they were young in years, it wasn't long 939 00:48:13,863 --> 00:48:16,491 before they were quite worldly men. 940 00:48:16,491 --> 00:48:18,910 One of the lads said, "Let's go and have a look 941 00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:21,580 "in the White Star. It's like a pub." 942 00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:24,249 I'd led a very sheltered life. 943 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:28,086 And they were beautiful girls with just a piece of lace on, 944 00:48:28,086 --> 00:48:32,382 and, oh, my word, I'd never seen anything like it before! 945 00:48:32,382 --> 00:48:35,635 There was I, a young lad, knowing nothing about this, and off we go, 946 00:48:35,635 --> 00:48:38,848 and these men were going up to see the girls. 947 00:48:38,848 --> 00:48:41,225 I was very keen. I said to one of these fellas, 948 00:48:41,225 --> 00:48:42,894 "I've only got a sixpence." 949 00:48:42,894 --> 00:48:45,521 He said, "That's no good, it's a shilling." 950 00:48:45,521 --> 00:48:48,357 That was my first experience of a brothel. 951 00:48:48,357 --> 00:48:51,444 Anyway, we looked in there for a couple of minutes, 952 00:48:51,444 --> 00:48:54,447 when four or five naked girls came running down the corridor. 953 00:48:54,447 --> 00:48:56,699 We turned tail and ran! 954 00:48:56,699 --> 00:48:58,826 It was an eye-opener to me. 955 00:48:58,826 --> 00:49:01,203 There she stood, great, big woman, 956 00:49:01,203 --> 00:49:03,748 with this little cane in her hand and she belted my backside 957 00:49:03,748 --> 00:49:05,249 as if I was a little schoolboy. 958 00:49:05,249 --> 00:49:07,586 Pelted Sergeant this and pelted Sergeant the other, 959 00:49:07,586 --> 00:49:09,253 thump, thump, thump, thump, thump! 960 00:49:09,253 --> 00:49:11,673 HE LAUGHS 961 00:49:11,673 --> 00:49:13,216 Oh, gambling? 962 00:49:13,216 --> 00:49:14,843 People were gambling all day long. 963 00:49:14,843 --> 00:49:17,470 The Canadians and the Australians used a gamble terrific 964 00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:18,889 amounts of money. 965 00:49:18,889 --> 00:49:20,515 More money than any of us seen. 966 00:49:24,061 --> 00:49:26,146 The beer was very thin indeed. 967 00:49:26,146 --> 00:49:30,650 It was one and nine stuff - one pint, nine piddles. 968 00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:33,863 Friday was always the issue day for cigarettes 969 00:49:33,863 --> 00:49:36,740 and the cigarettes were Three Witches, 970 00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:40,369 which soon became Three Bitches or Red Hue Tsars. 971 00:49:40,369 --> 00:49:44,582 I think they were made from stable returns. 972 00:49:44,582 --> 00:49:48,544 But generally, in good-sized villages, you could get Woodbines 973 00:49:48,544 --> 00:49:54,801 and Player's, and they were far preferable to the issue cigarettes. 974 00:49:54,801 --> 00:49:57,596 Of course, we were always bartering with the Frenchmen. 975 00:49:57,596 --> 00:49:59,598 We used to barter some of our under-clothing 976 00:49:59,598 --> 00:50:01,683 and get a loaf of bread with it. 977 00:50:01,683 --> 00:50:05,311 We used to swap our British cigarettes for their French wine. 978 00:50:05,311 --> 00:50:08,857 It could be just as tiring out of the line as in the line 979 00:50:08,857 --> 00:50:10,609 and it was sometimes worse. 980 00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:12,570 If you were chosen for fatigue, 981 00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:15,573 you'd have to go on the working party. 982 00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:19,786 You collected stores from a big dump three or four miles back. 983 00:50:19,786 --> 00:50:22,413 Enormous bundles of sandbags, 984 00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:26,000 many made-up duck boards and, worst of all, barbed wire. 985 00:50:27,376 --> 00:50:29,003 It was always hard work. 986 00:50:29,003 --> 00:50:32,548 You were a bonny labouring boy more than you were a fighter. 987 00:50:32,548 --> 00:50:35,635 All the chaps were very tired, but it made no difference. 988 00:50:35,635 --> 00:50:37,553 And they were mentally tired out. 989 00:50:37,553 --> 00:50:39,681 They'd just come out of a trench tour for a rest 990 00:50:39,681 --> 00:50:42,142 and this was the kind of rest they were getting. 991 00:50:43,601 --> 00:50:47,856 You would be carrying stuff up on a light railway. 992 00:50:47,856 --> 00:50:51,818 Yes, they laid a narrow gauge, light railway track. 993 00:50:51,818 --> 00:50:55,656 It was the simplest of things, just platforms on wheels, 994 00:50:55,656 --> 00:50:57,866 driven by light locomotives. 995 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,127 Light railways were always a blooming nuisance 996 00:51:08,127 --> 00:51:11,130 because they were always coming off the track. 997 00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:15,009 And they lost control of this truck going down a slight incline 998 00:51:15,009 --> 00:51:17,261 and it would barge into the one in front, 999 00:51:17,261 --> 00:51:21,599 which scattered the duck boards all over the place. 1000 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,020 We used to take our mess tins up to the engine driver 1001 00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:28,356 and get some boiling water for our brew-up of tea. 1002 00:51:31,443 --> 00:51:32,902 And another. 1003 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,743 The Germans could see the steam and smoke from the steam engine. 1004 00:51:39,743 --> 00:51:42,413 So then it was mostly petrol engines 1005 00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:44,915 which used to run up to the trenches. 1006 00:51:47,793 --> 00:51:50,754 The light railway only went as far as the communication trench, 1007 00:51:50,754 --> 00:51:53,466 and then we had to push the thing along by hand. 1008 00:51:57,386 --> 00:51:59,722 Somebody came along and said, "This is it, we're going 1009 00:51:59,722 --> 00:52:01,307 "to be home by Christmas! 1010 00:52:01,307 --> 00:52:02,975 "We'll just go down the road 1011 00:52:02,975 --> 00:52:05,353 "and look in a field there, you'll see." 1012 00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,647 Wouldn't tell us why. Anyway, we went down. 1013 00:52:07,647 --> 00:52:10,984 They were on the roadside covered with tarpaulin sheets. 1014 00:52:10,984 --> 00:52:14,863 You could see nothing except a square outline. 1015 00:52:14,863 --> 00:52:17,740 And then the officer said, "These are supposed to be hush-hush." 1016 00:52:17,740 --> 00:52:20,785 When we asked what it was, the simple reply was "tanks". 1017 00:52:20,785 --> 00:52:24,748 Knowing the shortage of water, we naturally assumed water tanks 1018 00:52:24,748 --> 00:52:27,084 and thought that we were getting reserve supplies. 1019 00:52:27,084 --> 00:52:29,503 It was one of the best-kept secrets. 1020 00:52:29,503 --> 00:52:31,880 We were delighted because these wonderful machines 1021 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,215 were going to win the war. 1022 00:52:34,717 --> 00:52:36,719 Soon everybody would be home again. 1023 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,762 Of course, it didn't happen like that. 1024 00:52:41,557 --> 00:52:45,811 We were taken out of the line and had intensive training. 1025 00:52:45,811 --> 00:52:50,107 Plunge the bayonet into the sack, shout like hell. 1026 00:52:50,107 --> 00:52:53,695 It was to get used to plunging them into somebody's body. 1027 00:52:53,695 --> 00:52:56,447 Then we fired our rifles on the rifle range. 1028 00:53:03,747 --> 00:53:06,291 Firing rifle grenades is a specialist job. 1029 00:53:08,418 --> 00:53:10,003 But they were clumsy. 1030 00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:13,007 I didn't like them much. 1031 00:53:14,591 --> 00:53:18,720 Forced marching, marching without a rest and also a frontal attack, 1032 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,140 right flank attack, left flank attack, 1033 00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:23,476 both flanks attack, night attack, 1034 00:53:23,476 --> 00:53:26,019 and we wondered what the devil all this training was for. 1035 00:53:26,019 --> 00:53:28,939 BAGPIPES PLAY 1036 00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:32,151 The corps commander said that he had just received instructions 1037 00:53:32,151 --> 00:53:36,281 to go ahead with an operation to break through the German lines. 1038 00:53:38,366 --> 00:53:41,118 Suddenly we were called to parade with full marching order, 1039 00:53:41,118 --> 00:53:43,955 and we had to go back up the front, and we'd only been out of the line 1040 00:53:43,955 --> 00:53:45,373 a couple of days. 1041 00:53:45,373 --> 00:53:49,210 We could see streams of supplies, mostly ammunition columns, 1042 00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:51,547 going up toward the front. 1043 00:53:51,547 --> 00:53:53,924 We didn't have a lot of notice, but we knew it was going 1044 00:53:53,924 --> 00:53:55,383 to be a big advance. 1045 00:54:09,773 --> 00:54:11,275 So batteries pushed forward, 1046 00:54:11,275 --> 00:54:13,569 forward positions filled up with ammunition. 1047 00:54:13,569 --> 00:54:16,114 Let's get these ladders up. 1048 00:54:16,114 --> 00:54:20,118 As the great push drew nearer, the line livened up. It began to get 1049 00:54:20,118 --> 00:54:22,787 much more dangerous and not nearly so much fun. 1050 00:54:22,787 --> 00:54:25,665 And we learnt that a bayonet charge was to be made 1051 00:54:25,665 --> 00:54:28,793 on German machine gunners. 1052 00:54:28,793 --> 00:54:31,755 "I wish it to be impressed on all ranks, the importance 1053 00:54:31,755 --> 00:54:34,466 "of the operations about to commence. 1054 00:54:34,466 --> 00:54:37,218 "The Germans are now outnumbered and outgunned 1055 00:54:37,218 --> 00:54:39,471 "and will soon go to pieces if every man goes 1056 00:54:39,471 --> 00:54:41,598 "into the fight determined to get through 1057 00:54:41,598 --> 00:54:43,684 "whatever the local difficulties may be. 1058 00:54:43,684 --> 00:54:46,770 "I am confident that the brigade will distinguish itself in this, 1059 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:48,188 "its first battle. 1060 00:54:48,188 --> 00:54:51,817 "Let every man remember that all England is watching him." 1061 00:54:51,817 --> 00:54:55,529 We marched all through the night, and it got so bad that officers 1062 00:54:55,529 --> 00:54:59,283 at the side were pushing men back into line who were straggling out, 1063 00:54:59,283 --> 00:55:02,871 and your legs just seemed to go automatically forward. 1064 00:55:02,871 --> 00:55:05,373 I had a feeling that we were walking in our sleep. 1065 00:55:05,373 --> 00:55:07,167 More men were brought into the line, 1066 00:55:07,167 --> 00:55:10,170 regiments were crowded up closer together. 1067 00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:14,299 We were filling up the trenches, packed in like sardines. 1068 00:55:14,299 --> 00:55:18,220 Our captain was a splendid man. He would never bark an order at you, 1069 00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:20,847 he would give an order in a conversational way. 1070 00:55:20,847 --> 00:55:22,974 "We don't know exactly how far this trench is, 1071 00:55:22,974 --> 00:55:25,852 "but between 200 and 300 yards. 1072 00:55:25,852 --> 00:55:29,022 "I will go over with the first wave and you will be in the second wave. 1073 00:55:29,022 --> 00:55:32,485 "And as soon as the curtain fire starts, we'll move. 1074 00:55:32,485 --> 00:55:34,987 "Now, go along and tell your men to be ready." 1075 00:55:34,987 --> 00:55:37,823 And this is the sort of order we got. 1076 00:55:37,823 --> 00:55:40,910 I had two assorted companies, both ignorant of what their conduct 1077 00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:42,620 would be when they got into action. 1078 00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,497 So Captain Neville thought it might be helpful if he could furnish 1079 00:55:45,497 --> 00:55:48,250 each platoon with a football and allow them to kick it forward 1080 00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:49,627 and follow it. 1081 00:55:49,627 --> 00:55:52,046 I think myself that it did help them enormously, 1082 00:55:52,046 --> 00:55:53,923 it took their minds off it. 1083 00:55:53,923 --> 00:55:57,218 We had an extra bandolier of ammunition around our necks, 1084 00:55:57,218 --> 00:55:59,804 and if you didn't have a shovel, you had a pick. 1085 00:55:59,804 --> 00:56:02,932 We got in the trenches and we waited for zero hour. 1086 00:56:02,932 --> 00:56:05,685 All the watches were synchronised. 1087 00:56:05,685 --> 00:56:08,063 I was what's called a first bayonet man, 1088 00:56:08,063 --> 00:56:10,399 which meant that I carried the rifle with the bayonet 1089 00:56:10,399 --> 00:56:11,900 in the attacking position, 1090 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,236 and the rest of the men carried bags of bombs. 1091 00:56:16,697 --> 00:56:19,408 And we were warned to be ready to advance at any moment. 1092 00:56:19,408 --> 00:56:22,620 "Any moment" was quite a long time coming and, of course, that added 1093 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:24,622 to the tension that we were feeling. 1094 00:56:26,749 --> 00:56:30,169 My platoon had been told to go out and test the fire. 1095 00:56:30,169 --> 00:56:33,047 We had to get out and walk towards the enemy. 1096 00:56:33,047 --> 00:56:37,677 We went about 200 yards and then they called us back again. 1097 00:56:37,677 --> 00:56:41,639 There was to be no preliminary bombardment the days beforehand, 1098 00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,601 there was only one short, sharp barrage just before the battle. 1099 00:56:47,645 --> 00:56:50,398 You've got to have the artillery preparation 1100 00:56:50,398 --> 00:56:52,150 to smash their wire down. 1101 00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:53,443 Fire! 1102 00:56:53,443 --> 00:56:57,572 I ordered fire on possible enemy assembly and forming-up positions. 1103 00:56:57,572 --> 00:57:02,036 The bombardment started and the ground shook. 1104 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:08,459 And we could see the hundreds and hundreds of gun flashes. 1105 00:57:09,585 --> 00:57:11,212 Ready, fire! 1106 00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:24,476 As soon as the bombardment started, the German retaliation came. 1107 00:57:28,271 --> 00:57:30,649 For four hours, we had to sit there and take everything 1108 00:57:30,649 --> 00:57:32,316 they slung at us. 1109 00:57:33,735 --> 00:57:36,612 And first of all, a large number of tanks went in. 1110 00:57:36,612 --> 00:57:39,825 We could hear them rumbling and rattling. 1111 00:57:39,825 --> 00:57:42,494 320 tanks crawling along. 1112 00:57:42,494 --> 00:57:45,455 We waited for the signal to move off. 1113 00:57:45,455 --> 00:57:50,294 Already, everybody was anxious to go, but we waited and waited. 1114 00:57:52,338 --> 00:57:54,548 We got no sleep at all that night, owing to the noise 1115 00:57:54,548 --> 00:57:59,303 of our artillery barrage, which was continuous, the whole time. 1116 00:57:59,303 --> 00:58:01,889 We was asked to hand over any personal belongings 1117 00:58:01,889 --> 00:58:05,226 to our company officer, such as photographs and letters 1118 00:58:05,226 --> 00:58:07,895 that we valued. 1119 00:58:07,895 --> 00:58:11,107 I heard soft voices talking to one another quietly, 1120 00:58:11,107 --> 00:58:14,110 and I wondered - how many are going to live to see the sun rise? 1121 00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:16,988 In a man's pay book, there was provision for making a valid will 1122 00:58:16,988 --> 00:58:19,533 if they were going into action for the first time. 1123 00:58:19,533 --> 00:58:21,910 I didn't bother with it, I had nothing to leave anybody. 1124 00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:23,704 HE LAUGHS 1125 00:58:23,704 --> 00:58:26,539 The fellow next to you, he was your best friend. 1126 00:58:26,539 --> 00:58:29,084 You perhaps didn't know him the day before. 1127 00:58:29,084 --> 00:58:31,336 And then an hour to go, they were the longest 1128 00:58:31,336 --> 00:58:34,047 and the shortest hours in life. 1129 00:58:34,047 --> 00:58:36,425 We had unlimited time for thinking, 1130 00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:39,594 and I know I found myself thinking much more deeply 1131 00:58:39,594 --> 00:58:42,306 than I had ever thought before. 1132 00:58:42,306 --> 00:58:44,308 Some people might be incapable of thinking, 1133 00:58:44,308 --> 00:58:46,727 they might have regarded the situation as being such 1134 00:58:46,727 --> 00:58:48,437 that they were incapable of thought. 1135 00:58:48,437 --> 00:58:50,439 I don't think there was any feeling of fear, 1136 00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:52,817 it was just that we were doing a job 1137 00:58:52,817 --> 00:58:54,944 and if it came, it came. 1138 00:58:54,944 --> 00:58:59,532 We realised that, sooner or later, we were going to get the chop. 1139 00:58:59,532 --> 00:59:01,909 You were either going to be killed or wounded. 1140 00:59:01,909 --> 00:59:05,121 I was not in the least frightened being killed, 1141 00:59:05,121 --> 00:59:08,958 but I was terrified lest I should lose an arm or a leg. 1142 00:59:08,958 --> 00:59:12,128 Waiting for an hour for an attack is not a very pleasant thing. 1143 00:59:12,128 --> 00:59:16,382 We sort of chatted away, trying to keep the spirits up, you see. 1144 00:59:16,382 --> 00:59:20,095 We told dirty stories and made crude remarks. 1145 00:59:20,095 --> 00:59:22,973 We had 1,000 guns massed on a mile front behind us. 1146 00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,309 Well, you can imagine all this stuff coming over you, 1147 00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:27,352 we had the German stuff coming the other way. 1148 00:59:27,352 --> 00:59:31,315 The noise rose to a crescendo such as I'd never heard before. 1149 00:59:31,315 --> 00:59:33,359 You wouldn't hear a word. 1150 00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,488 The shells were passing over you probably three foot, four foot. 1151 00:59:37,488 --> 00:59:41,367 And the air, it was an inferno, and your line was another inferno. 1152 00:59:41,367 --> 00:59:43,661 Reason was completely blasted out of it. 1153 00:59:43,661 --> 00:59:47,039 The bombardment created a sort of hysterical feeling. 1154 00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,459 All of a sudden, one of our fellas started crying, 1155 00:59:49,459 --> 00:59:52,379 really screaming and crying. The officer in charge telling 1156 00:59:52,379 --> 00:59:56,132 the Sergeant, "Find that man and shoot him, shoot him!" 1157 00:59:56,132 --> 00:59:58,635 It's difficult to explain the reaction of a man 1158 00:59:58,635 --> 01:00:01,179 when he is in a big bombardment. 1159 01:00:01,179 --> 01:00:04,933 He thought that this man's screaming and crying would be a danger 1160 01:00:04,933 --> 01:00:06,727 to the rest of the men. 1161 01:00:06,727 --> 01:00:09,146 As soon as it was light, we were given a ration of rum, 1162 01:00:09,146 --> 01:00:11,524 any amount of it, as much as you can drink. 1163 01:00:11,524 --> 01:00:13,859 And we got the order to fix bayonets. 1164 01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:15,820 Fix bayonets! Fix bayonets! 1165 01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:17,446 Bayonets fixed! 1166 01:00:17,446 --> 01:00:21,658 It was a beautiful day, the way it dawned after a rainy night. 1167 01:00:21,658 --> 01:00:23,035 A beautiful day. 1168 01:00:23,035 --> 01:00:27,206 Five minutes to go, I remember those lads standing there, dead silent, 1169 01:00:27,206 --> 01:00:28,749 couldn't make a noise. 1170 01:00:28,749 --> 01:00:31,461 I was more frightened sitting, waiting to start. 1171 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:34,255 I was very frightened then, very frightened indeed. 1172 01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,842 And an officer shouted along the line, "Is everybody ready?" 1173 01:00:37,842 --> 01:00:40,845 And I called out, "I can't get my bayonet on my rifle, sir." 1174 01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:43,265 And he said, "Damn you, mate, hurry up." 1175 01:00:43,265 --> 01:00:45,517 I sent back a message to brigade headquarters 1176 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,018 to say we were all ready. 1177 01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:49,355 But unfortunately a slight mistake occurred. 1178 01:00:49,355 --> 01:00:52,399 The first thing they knew was a terrific tremor on the ground. 1179 01:00:52,399 --> 01:00:55,444 We blew a mine, which should have been under the German trenches 1180 01:00:55,444 --> 01:00:57,070 but it wasn't. 1181 01:01:00,491 --> 01:01:03,202 It was in no-man's-land, and that gave the Germans five minutes 1182 01:01:03,202 --> 01:01:05,370 to occupy the crater, which they did. 1183 01:01:08,207 --> 01:01:11,836 Sergeant Moore, he was standing behind the trench with a revolver 1184 01:01:11,836 --> 01:01:14,964 in his hand and he said, "Any boy goes back, I shoot them." 1185 01:01:14,964 --> 01:01:18,342 So that if we didn't go one way, we wouldn't go the other. 1186 01:01:18,342 --> 01:01:20,846 There wasn't a reluctance to go over the top, 1187 01:01:20,846 --> 01:01:22,513 not with people I were with. 1188 01:01:22,513 --> 01:01:24,140 Fire! 1189 01:01:25,893 --> 01:01:27,269 Fire! 1190 01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:30,480 They put a curtain of shells over you and you advanced. 1191 01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:33,608 That was the theory, I think. 1192 01:01:33,608 --> 01:01:35,402 Fire! Fire! 1193 01:01:35,402 --> 01:01:38,322 I realised this was the moment of the assault. 1194 01:01:38,322 --> 01:01:40,031 And then zero hour. 1195 01:01:40,031 --> 01:01:43,076 Somebody shouted, "There they go!" BAGPIPES PLAY 1196 01:01:43,076 --> 01:01:45,746 To the left were the London Scottish, running forward. 1197 01:01:45,746 --> 01:01:48,332 I gave the order of "up the ladders, over the top". 1198 01:01:48,332 --> 01:01:50,543 WHISTLE BLOWS 1199 01:01:51,669 --> 01:01:54,672 And after this, you lived in a world of noise, 1200 01:01:54,672 --> 01:01:56,633 simply noise for hours. 1201 01:02:00,136 --> 01:02:02,847 As soon as you get over the top, fear has left you. 1202 01:02:02,847 --> 01:02:05,809 You didn't run, there was no shouting nor cheering, 1203 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:07,853 everybody was deadly quiet. 1204 01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:10,981 Just as I stepped into no-man's-land, somebody was shot 1205 01:02:10,981 --> 01:02:14,192 through the head and his skull was splintered. 1206 01:02:14,192 --> 01:02:16,945 It wasn't a good send-off, I can assure you. 1207 01:02:16,945 --> 01:02:22,867 The barrage proceeded into the enemy lines in steps of 100 yards 1208 01:02:22,867 --> 01:02:24,286 at a time. 1209 01:02:24,286 --> 01:02:26,788 Fire! 1210 01:02:26,788 --> 01:02:29,750 The line of British troops, fixed bayonets, walking quite steadily 1211 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:31,543 behind the barrage. 1212 01:02:31,543 --> 01:02:33,337 It is a sight I shall never forget. 1213 01:02:33,337 --> 01:02:36,424 To start with, we'd had the odd machinegun firing, 1214 01:02:36,424 --> 01:02:40,094 but remarkably little, and it seemed almost too good to be true. 1215 01:02:40,094 --> 01:02:44,223 We then realised the Germans had been containing their fire 1216 01:02:44,223 --> 01:02:47,184 until they saw how far the attack was developing. 1217 01:02:47,184 --> 01:02:50,939 Unknown to us, there was 10 to 20 German machine guns. 1218 01:02:50,939 --> 01:02:53,232 Then all hell broke loose. 1219 01:02:53,232 --> 01:02:56,527 And, my God, he really opened up and he let us have it. 1220 01:02:56,527 --> 01:02:58,154 It just swept us. 1221 01:02:58,154 --> 01:03:00,156 MACHINE-GUNFIRE 1222 01:03:00,156 --> 01:03:02,200 MEN SHOUT 1223 01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:05,913 Keep moving, laddie! 1224 01:03:10,876 --> 01:03:13,753 MEN SCREAM AND SHOUT 1225 01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:18,925 Machinegun bullets came at us like hailstones. 1226 01:03:18,925 --> 01:03:22,096 I didn't realise that it was swish, swish with bullets. 1227 01:03:22,096 --> 01:03:24,890 I looked round and people were dropping all round you. 1228 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:28,228 I mean, they just faded away on either side of you. 1229 01:03:28,228 --> 01:03:31,897 And I thought, what are they shooting at me for? 1230 01:03:31,897 --> 01:03:35,610 I hadn't gone more than a few yards before I was shot in the thigh. 1231 01:03:35,610 --> 01:03:38,195 There was a captain alongside me with his revolver out 1232 01:03:38,195 --> 01:03:39,948 and, all of a sudden, he dropped. 1233 01:03:39,948 --> 01:03:42,158 And then another chap, he was hit in the leg, 1234 01:03:42,158 --> 01:03:46,997 but he continued with great bounds, hopping on one leg. 1235 01:03:46,997 --> 01:03:50,250 When the bullets hit the tank, the metal flakes were whirling 1236 01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:52,586 around like razor blades inside the tank. 1237 01:03:52,586 --> 01:03:55,213 You could see men dropping, but you didn't take any notice. 1238 01:03:55,213 --> 01:03:57,424 If you didn't get hit, you just carried on. 1239 01:03:57,424 --> 01:04:00,052 I suddenly found myself with a terrible pain in my left hand 1240 01:04:00,052 --> 01:04:03,138 as if someone had caned me, and I found a big hole in it. 1241 01:04:03,138 --> 01:04:06,683 A man was running across the front of me and he was shot to the body 1242 01:04:06,683 --> 01:04:11,314 because the contents of his wallet were flung out forward of me. 1243 01:04:11,314 --> 01:04:13,732 I felt a terrific bang on my right arm 1244 01:04:13,732 --> 01:04:16,777 and the blood started running off the end of my hand. 1245 01:04:16,777 --> 01:04:19,197 I just didn't think that this German machinegun would 1246 01:04:19,197 --> 01:04:21,532 trouble to even fire at me, but the next thing I felt 1247 01:04:21,532 --> 01:04:25,370 a shock of quite a number of bullets hitting the right side of my body. 1248 01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:29,291 A hare crossed my path with eyes bulging in fear, 1249 01:04:29,291 --> 01:04:32,669 but I felt that it couldn't have been half as frightened as I was. 1250 01:04:32,669 --> 01:04:35,255 You could see your mates going down right and left, 1251 01:04:35,255 --> 01:04:38,049 and you were face-to-face with the stark realisation 1252 01:04:38,049 --> 01:04:39,551 that this was the end of it. 1253 01:04:39,551 --> 01:04:42,805 The two in front of me went down wounded in the head and chest. 1254 01:04:42,805 --> 01:04:45,558 Those bloody bullets got me in the leg and blew a great big hole 1255 01:04:45,558 --> 01:04:48,644 in the back. It didn't hurt. 1256 01:04:48,644 --> 01:04:50,896 Life was very, very hazardous indeed 1257 01:04:50,896 --> 01:04:53,149 and we proceeded in this fashion, some getting hit 1258 01:04:53,149 --> 01:04:54,650 and others carrying along. 1259 01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:56,819 You hadn't got time to deliberate upon things. 1260 01:04:56,819 --> 01:04:59,488 Machinegun bullets might be coming over, but they weren't 1261 01:04:59,488 --> 01:05:02,325 hitting you and you just go on. 1262 01:05:02,325 --> 01:05:05,453 They say your past comes up when you think you're going to die, 1263 01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:08,206 but I hadn't got very much past at 19. 1264 01:05:08,206 --> 01:05:10,583 And when I saw these bullets coming along, 1265 01:05:10,583 --> 01:05:12,960 all I thought was - am I going to live? 1266 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,172 Of course, if the thing hits you fair and square 1267 01:05:15,172 --> 01:05:17,841 and you die immediately, you don't feel anything at all, 1268 01:05:17,841 --> 01:05:19,759 nothing to it. 1269 01:05:19,759 --> 01:05:22,512 First wave were all absolutely wiped out. 1270 01:05:22,512 --> 01:05:24,515 Everybody was either killed or wounded. 1271 01:05:24,515 --> 01:05:27,100 There were so many dead laying about, it was hard to avoid 1272 01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,477 treading on them. 1273 01:05:28,477 --> 01:05:31,188 I was trying to step over them and the sergeant behind me said, 1274 01:05:31,188 --> 01:05:33,190 "Go on, you mustn't take any notice of that, 1275 01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:34,900 "you keep going." 1276 01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:37,612 And we were literally walking over the dead bodies 1277 01:05:37,612 --> 01:05:39,071 of our comrades. 1278 01:05:39,071 --> 01:05:42,408 The carnage is just indescribable. 1279 01:05:42,408 --> 01:05:45,536 I had in my path about 2,000 dead, British and German. 1280 01:05:45,536 --> 01:05:49,207 An attempt to clear any dead man from our path was impossible 1281 01:05:49,207 --> 01:05:53,127 because of the shelling and we ploughed over the lot. 1282 01:05:53,127 --> 01:05:56,339 Any shell bursting within a few yards of the tank 1283 01:05:56,339 --> 01:05:58,716 seemed to lift it up in the air 1284 01:05:58,716 --> 01:06:02,512 and you felt a tremendous back pressure. 1285 01:06:02,512 --> 01:06:05,182 The noise of battle when you're out in the middle of it 1286 01:06:05,182 --> 01:06:08,768 is so terrific that you don't hear any individual shots even. 1287 01:06:08,768 --> 01:06:11,730 And we had to stop in front of the German wire. 1288 01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:14,566 It was quite impossible to advance any further because of the 1289 01:06:14,566 --> 01:06:17,236 barbed wire and the machinegun posts, which were about 1290 01:06:17,236 --> 01:06:18,696 50 yards further on. 1291 01:06:18,696 --> 01:06:20,989 The wire in front of us was quite uncut, 1292 01:06:20,989 --> 01:06:22,950 despite the intense bombardment. 1293 01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:24,952 You couldn't see anything but this wire, 1294 01:06:24,952 --> 01:06:27,287 it seemed to be acres and acres of it. 1295 01:06:27,287 --> 01:06:29,874 It was just black with rust. 1296 01:06:29,874 --> 01:06:32,502 I don't think a rabbit could have got through it. 1297 01:06:32,502 --> 01:06:35,672 Then our own artillery started dropping shells amongst us. 1298 01:06:39,092 --> 01:06:40,885 SCREAMING 1299 01:06:41,928 --> 01:06:44,430 Obviously they hadn't got their range or they didn't know 1300 01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:46,516 where we were. 1301 01:06:46,516 --> 01:06:49,937 I heard the first shrapnel shell burst above my head. 1302 01:06:49,937 --> 01:06:52,522 There was a terrific whiz, that was the disappearance 1303 01:06:52,522 --> 01:06:54,482 of my steel helmet. 1304 01:06:54,482 --> 01:06:56,360 I never found it again. 1305 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,696 I got a bit off the cheek of my backside, a piece in my hip, 1306 01:06:59,696 --> 01:07:03,033 a piece in my leg, then a piece right through my leg. 1307 01:07:03,033 --> 01:07:05,661 The fellow to my left took the full blast of the shell 1308 01:07:05,661 --> 01:07:08,080 and had half his head blown away. 1309 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,292 Bullets were catching us and shrapnel was coming down overhead 1310 01:07:11,292 --> 01:07:14,504 and we had all the German artillery banging away at us 1311 01:07:14,504 --> 01:07:16,422 and our own artillery going over. 1312 01:07:16,422 --> 01:07:18,298 The shells were exploding all round you 1313 01:07:18,298 --> 01:07:21,052 and it was a real good old battle and it got hold of you, sort of. 1314 01:07:21,052 --> 01:07:23,638 BAGPIPES PLAY 1315 01:07:23,638 --> 01:07:27,892 One had no sanity at all because the inferno was so blasting 1316 01:07:27,892 --> 01:07:30,144 that you had no time to think. 1317 01:07:30,144 --> 01:07:35,316 That din, that numbing din seemed to stop one doing the things 1318 01:07:35,316 --> 01:07:38,904 that one would normally do, no matter how well-intentioned one was. 1319 01:07:40,488 --> 01:07:42,074 You don't look, you see. 1320 01:07:42,074 --> 01:07:43,742 You don't hear, you listen. 1321 01:07:43,742 --> 01:07:46,078 You taste the top of your mouth, your nose is filled 1322 01:07:46,078 --> 01:07:47,829 with fumes and death. 1323 01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:51,167 The veneer of civilisation has dropped away. 1324 01:07:51,167 --> 01:07:54,753 I was literally blown about 12 or 14 yards and all that I could hear 1325 01:07:54,753 --> 01:07:57,465 was the cries and screams from the survivors, 1326 01:07:57,465 --> 01:08:00,092 sometimes in two, sometimes in three parts. 1327 01:08:00,092 --> 01:08:02,803 Legs, arms all strewn all over the place 1328 01:08:02,803 --> 01:08:05,431 and that arid smell of explosion. 1329 01:08:05,431 --> 01:08:10,269 Well, all my romantic ideas of war completely vanished. 1330 01:08:10,269 --> 01:08:13,523 A shell had hit this man, it knocked off his left arm, 1331 01:08:13,523 --> 01:08:15,233 knocked off his left leg, 1332 01:08:15,233 --> 01:08:17,652 his left eye was hanging on his cheek 1333 01:08:17,652 --> 01:08:20,071 and he's calling out for Nanny. 1334 01:08:20,071 --> 01:08:22,282 His bleeding eye was hanging on, pulsing. 1335 01:08:23,825 --> 01:08:25,661 So I shot him. 1336 01:08:25,661 --> 01:08:28,330 I had to, I had to shoot him. 1337 01:08:28,330 --> 01:08:32,542 He'd have died in any case and it put him out of his misery. 1338 01:08:32,542 --> 01:08:34,211 HE SOBS: It hurt me. 1339 01:08:36,505 --> 01:08:38,465 I knew there was no hope of getting any orders 1340 01:08:38,465 --> 01:08:40,676 because there was nobody to give any. 1341 01:08:40,676 --> 01:08:44,305 All officers was killed and wounded, and most of the NCOs. 1342 01:08:44,305 --> 01:08:46,015 I jumped into this big shell hole. 1343 01:08:46,015 --> 01:08:48,892 You dropped down anywhere, shell holes, anywhere at all 1344 01:08:48,892 --> 01:08:52,188 just to take cover until the barrage lifted. 1345 01:08:52,188 --> 01:08:55,233 I'm not one of those heroes who want to take the German army on my own, 1346 01:08:55,233 --> 01:08:57,819 so I went to work and I got down behind the lip 1347 01:08:57,819 --> 01:08:59,904 of a big shell hole. 1348 01:08:59,904 --> 01:09:02,949 Fortunately, I was able to drop into a shell hole. 1349 01:09:02,949 --> 01:09:05,702 Used to call them shell hole droppers, they would drop down 1350 01:09:05,702 --> 01:09:07,286 into a shell hole 1351 01:09:07,286 --> 01:09:10,373 because of the barrage and seeing a few men killed. 1352 01:09:10,373 --> 01:09:12,543 It's a pity they didn't all drop into shell holes. 1353 01:09:12,543 --> 01:09:14,961 Before the barrage lifted, they were dead. 1354 01:09:14,961 --> 01:09:16,463 SCREAMING 1355 01:09:16,463 --> 01:09:19,633 And the bullets were hitting the back of the shell hole where I was. 1356 01:09:19,633 --> 01:09:21,093 It was raining bullets. 1357 01:09:21,093 --> 01:09:22,845 I don't know how I got missed. 1358 01:09:22,845 --> 01:09:26,390 From behind the lip of this shell hole, the dirt was spraying down 1359 01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:28,059 the back of my neck. 1360 01:09:28,059 --> 01:09:30,727 There were three chaps in the shell hole and one of them said, 1361 01:09:30,727 --> 01:09:32,729 "They're firing into a bloody shell hole." 1362 01:09:32,729 --> 01:09:35,691 We looked round to see the bullets go right through his head. 1363 01:09:35,691 --> 01:09:37,151 So that was the end of that. 1364 01:09:37,151 --> 01:09:40,696 A sergeant came down into the shell hole on top of us 1365 01:09:40,696 --> 01:09:42,615 and he was dead, he got it through the neck. 1366 01:09:42,615 --> 01:09:45,535 Anyway, he had a lovely pair of field glasses round his neck 1367 01:09:45,535 --> 01:09:48,205 and I nabbed them. Because things were so scarce, 1368 01:09:48,205 --> 01:09:51,082 if there was anything like that, you'd collar it. 1369 01:09:51,082 --> 01:09:55,420 Jerry slapped shell after shell into us until one shell penetrated 1370 01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:57,297 the forward part of the tank. 1371 01:09:57,297 --> 01:09:59,758 What happened then, I cannot tell you but I believe 1372 01:09:59,758 --> 01:10:01,552 there was an explosion. 1373 01:10:01,552 --> 01:10:04,638 These were fully trained soldiers, we always had the rifles loaded, 1374 01:10:04,638 --> 01:10:07,182 but we stuck in the extra five rounds to make it 1375 01:10:07,182 --> 01:10:08,976 a ten for rapid-fire. 1376 01:10:08,976 --> 01:10:12,229 The Germans got up in their own trenches and fired at us. 1377 01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:16,066 In my opinion, they were very brave, very brave men indeed. 1378 01:10:16,066 --> 01:10:19,737 There was a German standing up on his parapet and flinging bombs. 1379 01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:21,655 So I shot him. 1380 01:10:21,655 --> 01:10:24,742 They officer gave us orders, "Open immediate rapid-fire." 1381 01:10:24,742 --> 01:10:28,704 We all opened up as fast as we could go and continually fired. 1382 01:10:28,704 --> 01:10:31,041 It was a real mad minute, I'll tell you. 1383 01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:33,334 They stood up and I was picking the Germans off 1384 01:10:33,334 --> 01:10:35,545 because I was a sniper. 1385 01:10:35,545 --> 01:10:38,423 I was trying to pick a shot and something hit me 1386 01:10:38,423 --> 01:10:41,050 between the eyes like a sledgehammer. 1387 01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:42,719 I dissolved into unconsciousness 1388 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:45,680 with no pain, but with millions of golden stars 1389 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,724 in a dark blue heaven. 1390 01:10:47,724 --> 01:10:49,851 After I'd used up a whole lot of bullets, 1391 01:10:49,851 --> 01:10:52,396 I got down, I says, "You have a go, Bill." 1392 01:10:52,396 --> 01:10:55,983 He didn't even fire a shot, he was killed immediately. 1393 01:10:55,983 --> 01:10:57,610 That's how things were. 1394 01:10:57,610 --> 01:11:00,279 You felt aggrieved, it was a pal of yours. 1395 01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:05,034 But you took it casually because I suppose you become battle hardened. 1396 01:11:05,034 --> 01:11:08,245 We kept up rapid-fire there as long as our rifles would work. 1397 01:11:08,245 --> 01:11:09,997 They got too hot to fire any more. 1398 01:11:09,997 --> 01:11:12,416 Fat was pouring out the woodwork of the rifles, 1399 01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:14,711 the muzzles were beginning to extend. 1400 01:11:14,711 --> 01:11:17,297 Then we got an order from the captain, we must make 1401 01:11:17,297 --> 01:11:21,717 a barricade of the dead, the German dead and our own dead. 1402 01:11:21,717 --> 01:11:25,138 My captain, at that time, was anxious to go on and keep it up, 1403 01:11:25,138 --> 01:11:27,432 but I'm afraid he died. 1404 01:11:27,432 --> 01:11:29,684 I had three men loading up these rifles with me 1405 01:11:29,684 --> 01:11:31,270 and I peppered the whole line. 1406 01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:35,399 And judging by the shouts and screams, I took a very good toll. 1407 01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:38,860 There was machinegun spraying on the lip of our shell hole. 1408 01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:41,197 I waited until the belt of that gun had fired 1409 01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:43,574 and immediately carried on the advance. 1410 01:11:43,574 --> 01:11:47,035 The sergeant said, "Follow me." 1411 01:11:47,035 --> 01:11:48,913 I managed to crawl under the wire - 1412 01:11:48,913 --> 01:11:51,791 a lot of us got through in that way - and gathered together 1413 01:11:51,791 --> 01:11:54,085 on the German side of the wire. 1414 01:11:54,085 --> 01:11:56,963 All the shells screamed over our heads onto the German posts 1415 01:11:56,963 --> 01:11:58,422 and then suddenly stopped. 1416 01:11:58,422 --> 01:12:00,842 "Come on, lads, give them hell," and we just got up 1417 01:12:00,842 --> 01:12:02,677 and rushed forward. 1418 01:12:02,677 --> 01:12:05,471 In the bayonet charge, the majority of us always 1419 01:12:05,471 --> 01:12:08,641 had a round up the spout, besides the magazine. 1420 01:12:08,641 --> 01:12:11,311 There was a feeling of exultation that with a rifle, bayonet 1421 01:12:11,311 --> 01:12:14,106 and a couple of Mills bombs in your pocket, we were going to be able 1422 01:12:14,106 --> 01:12:16,859 to get stuck into the bastards that had been killing our mates. 1423 01:12:16,859 --> 01:12:19,444 And we went like hell, straight into the Germans. 1424 01:12:20,529 --> 01:12:23,407 SCREAMING AND RAPID GUNFIRE 1425 01:12:27,994 --> 01:12:30,706 And we fired at anything that moved. 1426 01:12:30,706 --> 01:12:32,916 I dropped down on my knees and the sergeant fired 1427 01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:35,794 over my shoulder and hit the German. 1428 01:12:35,794 --> 01:12:38,005 He was on the ground but still firing, so he went up 1429 01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:39,214 and killed him. 1430 01:12:39,214 --> 01:12:41,676 There was only one method of bayonet fighting, that is to 1431 01:12:41,676 --> 01:12:43,928 shove your bayonet in as hard as you could. 1432 01:12:43,928 --> 01:12:46,514 There was this German on the floor of the trench, 1433 01:12:46,514 --> 01:12:48,057 and the poor bugger was dead scared. 1434 01:12:48,057 --> 01:12:50,519 So one of them wondered whether to stick him or shoot him, 1435 01:12:50,519 --> 01:12:52,979 the German jumped out away to my left, another one 1436 01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:55,566 on the right, so I pinned this German down, then shot 1437 01:12:55,566 --> 01:12:58,944 the German on the left, worked my bolt, put another one 1438 01:12:58,944 --> 01:13:02,030 up the spout, and shot the German who was running away on the right. 1439 01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:04,825 Quite a number of Germans came in a rush and we shot them, 1440 01:13:04,825 --> 01:13:06,368 one by one. 1441 01:13:06,368 --> 01:13:07,953 We probably killed the lot. 1442 01:13:07,953 --> 01:13:12,374 Some chap said, "Poor old Dick got it," and I looked around and saw him 1443 01:13:12,374 --> 01:13:14,626 lying with the top of his head off. 1444 01:13:14,626 --> 01:13:17,964 On their right flank came a German with a canister on his back, 1445 01:13:17,964 --> 01:13:20,549 squirting this liquid fire out of the hose. 1446 01:13:20,549 --> 01:13:23,552 I looked towards jets of flame coming across the trench. 1447 01:13:23,552 --> 01:13:25,304 We'd never heard of flame-throwers. 1448 01:13:25,304 --> 01:13:27,097 Burnt 23 of our chaps to death. 1449 01:13:27,097 --> 01:13:29,600 I plonked one into his chest, but it didn't stop him, 1450 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,312 he must have had an armour-plated waistcoat on. 1451 01:13:32,312 --> 01:13:35,315 I got a bang in the arm and found I was bleeding. 1452 01:13:35,315 --> 01:13:37,525 But I could bomb pretty well with my left arm 1453 01:13:37,525 --> 01:13:39,403 as I could with my right. 1454 01:13:39,403 --> 01:13:42,030 Somebody threw a Mills bomb, and it burst behind him, 1455 01:13:42,030 --> 01:13:44,407 and he wasn't armour-plated behind him, he went down. 1456 01:13:44,407 --> 01:13:46,785 One German came running out of this trench, 1457 01:13:46,785 --> 01:13:49,747 screaming his head off, he nearly knocked me over. 1458 01:13:49,747 --> 01:13:52,332 Three Germans came out with their hands up, 1459 01:13:52,332 --> 01:13:54,668 and they were young chaps about our own age, 1460 01:13:54,668 --> 01:13:56,628 about 19 or 20. 1461 01:13:56,628 --> 01:14:00,007 If Jerries came up with their hands up, we just waved them on, 1462 01:14:00,007 --> 01:14:02,760 we didn't fire at them, obviously. 1463 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,262 Prisoners were a nuisance! 1464 01:14:05,262 --> 01:14:07,556 We were shooing them back, you know, get rid of them. 1465 01:14:07,556 --> 01:14:11,560 The only Germans we were really fighting were the machine gunners. 1466 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,729 They were firing belt after belt after us, 1467 01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:15,315 and they never stopped firing. 1468 01:14:15,315 --> 01:14:18,276 The bloody cartridge cases were piled up in a heap. 1469 01:14:18,276 --> 01:14:20,737 They'd got all their best men on machine guns, 1470 01:14:20,737 --> 01:14:22,280 and they fought to the death. 1471 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,157 The cog opened, and there was three Jerries there in front 1472 01:14:25,157 --> 01:14:27,369 of the machinegun, and of course the bloody gun 1473 01:14:27,369 --> 01:14:31,748 was pointing at me, and I just swung the Lewis gun, I opened fire first. 1474 01:14:32,916 --> 01:14:34,626 It was split-second stuff. 1475 01:14:34,626 --> 01:14:37,045 Thankfully, I moved on. 1476 01:14:37,045 --> 01:14:39,923 As the war progressed, it was inevitable that we developed 1477 01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:42,760 the animal characteristic of killing. 1478 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,929 Well, we've got some young Lincolnshire lads, 1479 01:14:44,929 --> 01:14:46,346 you know, the 18-year-olds. 1480 01:14:46,346 --> 01:14:48,599 The machine gunners were putting their hands up - 1481 01:14:48,599 --> 01:14:50,475 it didn't make any difference. 1482 01:14:50,475 --> 01:14:51,686 They were killed. 1483 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,023 And I'm afraid there was a little bit of slaughter going on, 1484 01:14:56,023 --> 01:14:58,401 until we got in some sort of order. 1485 01:14:58,401 --> 01:15:02,613 Everybody was screaming, laying down, moaning and groaning, 1486 01:15:02,613 --> 01:15:05,741 and eventually there was silence. 1487 01:15:05,741 --> 01:15:08,286 I found a German officer with his lung hanging out. 1488 01:15:08,286 --> 01:15:10,538 He was still alive, but he wasn't conscious. 1489 01:15:10,538 --> 01:15:14,709 You could see his lung was expanding and contracting as he was breathing. 1490 01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:17,754 It was the nearest I ever came to shooting a man point-blank, 1491 01:15:17,754 --> 01:15:20,173 but we had to go on. 1492 01:15:20,173 --> 01:15:22,676 One dead German leaning against a shell wall, 1493 01:15:22,676 --> 01:15:25,596 he was a handsome bloke, he reminded me of my father. 1494 01:15:25,596 --> 01:15:30,350 A shell had dissected him nicely, it had taken the whole of the front 1495 01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:34,313 of his chest down to his stomach, neatly cut aside. 1496 01:15:34,313 --> 01:15:37,399 What a fantastic exhibition of anatomy. 1497 01:15:39,526 --> 01:15:42,571 The real shooting was over in about ten minutes. 1498 01:15:42,571 --> 01:15:46,575 There was about 100 of us coming out, instead of 600 who'd gone over, 1499 01:15:46,575 --> 01:15:48,619 and a band came to meet us. 1500 01:15:48,619 --> 01:15:50,496 It was a wonderful feeling. 1501 01:15:50,496 --> 01:15:51,957 "I've been in a battle! 1502 01:15:51,957 --> 01:15:55,210 "And I'm so very proud about it." 1503 01:15:55,210 --> 01:15:56,669 Hang on. 1504 01:15:59,006 --> 01:16:00,590 You got it? Yeah. 1505 01:16:00,590 --> 01:16:02,968 And if you'd anybody wounded or killed... 1506 01:16:02,968 --> 01:16:04,678 FLIES BUZZ 1507 01:16:04,678 --> 01:16:08,473 ..if you didn't get them out straight away, they went down 1508 01:16:08,473 --> 01:16:11,852 in the soil and disappeared, it was so bad. 1509 01:16:11,852 --> 01:16:13,354 That's it. 1510 01:16:14,813 --> 01:16:19,485 Well, you had to ascertain whether a man was alive or not. 1511 01:16:19,485 --> 01:16:24,824 If he was dead, then he was no trouble - medically. 1512 01:16:24,824 --> 01:16:26,784 I can't put that any clearer! 1513 01:16:27,868 --> 01:16:29,537 Keep him level. 1514 01:16:30,913 --> 01:16:32,540 Give me some room! 1515 01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:35,585 I felt some pain, I suppose about an hour later. 1516 01:16:35,585 --> 01:16:39,380 I'd got these thigh boots on, and the bullet had gone in sideways, 1517 01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:43,093 all the way down the leg, in, out, in, out, and hit the ankle bone 1518 01:16:43,093 --> 01:16:44,594 and turned upside down. 1519 01:16:46,512 --> 01:16:49,016 Oh, God! 1520 01:16:49,016 --> 01:16:50,350 Jesus! 1521 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,397 The Sergeant Major brought me a dixie of hot tea, 1522 01:16:55,397 --> 01:16:59,151 which was just what I needed, it went down beautifully. 1523 01:16:59,151 --> 01:17:02,238 And casualties started coming back, walking casualties, 1524 01:17:02,238 --> 01:17:05,824 men with their arms smashed up, legs trawling, and they got back 1525 01:17:05,824 --> 01:17:08,452 to different dressing stations the best way they could. 1526 01:17:08,452 --> 01:17:11,121 The walking wounded, they were coming down in droves. 1527 01:17:11,121 --> 01:17:14,166 Some were holding one another, and some were walking on their own, 1528 01:17:14,166 --> 01:17:16,794 a light wound in the hand or arm, but some were hobbling along, 1529 01:17:16,794 --> 01:17:18,796 and some were looking quite cheerful as 1530 01:17:18,796 --> 01:17:20,840 they'd been free of something. 1531 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,216 Hello, Mum! 1532 01:17:23,635 --> 01:17:26,012 My officer had said, "Are you all right, Kane?" 1533 01:17:26,012 --> 01:17:28,347 And I said, "Oh, yes, sir, I can still walk." 1534 01:17:28,347 --> 01:17:31,810 And he said, "But you've been hit in the back of the head." 1535 01:17:31,810 --> 01:17:34,771 And he handed me quite a dose of rum. 1536 01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:42,029 The worst cases were those who were shot through the chest. 1537 01:17:42,029 --> 01:17:45,324 Well, the difficulty of breathing, you see, you only had 1538 01:17:45,324 --> 01:17:48,785 field dressings, which every man carried. 1539 01:17:48,785 --> 01:17:50,787 Yeah, we'll have a better look at it. 1540 01:17:50,787 --> 01:17:52,248 Who's waiting, boys? 1541 01:17:52,248 --> 01:17:55,000 You got a bottle of iodine and they'd tip it in the hole. 1542 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,753 Oh, the pain was terrific. 1543 01:17:57,753 --> 01:17:59,130 Well done. 1544 01:18:01,966 --> 01:18:04,885 How about that for luck, chum? Shot right through it. 1545 01:18:08,097 --> 01:18:12,310 I was not in very good shape at all, and I was getting somewhere near 1546 01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:15,605 the end of my tether, I don't think I could go on much longer. 1547 01:18:15,605 --> 01:18:20,068 Every soldier, I suppose, had this breaking strain. 1548 01:18:23,363 --> 01:18:25,699 The medics will be waiting for you. 1549 01:18:25,699 --> 01:18:28,201 Well done, lads, well done. 1550 01:18:28,201 --> 01:18:29,995 That's it. 1551 01:18:29,995 --> 01:18:34,792 We had some remarkable doctors who worked day and night 1552 01:18:34,792 --> 01:18:39,671 in various stations on the British front, looking after the wounded. 1553 01:18:41,215 --> 01:18:42,633 Nice cup of Rosie Lee. 1554 01:18:42,633 --> 01:18:44,260 You all right, Jack? 1555 01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:48,222 They seemed never to need any sleep, so what they hadn't got in numbers 1556 01:18:48,222 --> 01:18:50,183 they made up in effort. 1557 01:18:50,183 --> 01:18:52,059 We need a shell dressing. 1558 01:18:54,145 --> 01:18:58,107 Both my officers, all my sergeants and three quarters of my men 1559 01:18:58,107 --> 01:19:00,443 were killed or wounded. 1560 01:19:00,443 --> 01:19:04,323 Their ranks were made up with lads of 18 from England 1561 01:19:04,323 --> 01:19:06,575 who'd been pushed out of factories. 1562 01:19:06,575 --> 01:19:08,284 Easy, that's it. 1563 01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:10,954 BIRDS SQUAWK 1564 01:19:10,954 --> 01:19:13,081 Bloody birds! Get out of it! 1565 01:19:13,081 --> 01:19:14,500 Go on! 1566 01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:19,755 My mob were helping the battalion to bury these... 1567 01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:23,592 ..only little kids, they were, 17 or 18 years of age. 1568 01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,721 In sure and certain hope of the resurrection to eternal life 1569 01:19:26,721 --> 01:19:28,514 through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1570 01:19:33,477 --> 01:19:36,147 A lot of those kids, it was their first action, 1571 01:19:36,147 --> 01:19:38,399 and they never knew any more. 1572 01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:41,444 So we'd wrapped them up in blankets, dug a little shallow grave 1573 01:19:41,444 --> 01:19:42,820 and put them in there. 1574 01:19:45,948 --> 01:19:49,035 I was putting a dressing on a German, and he was very shaky 1575 01:19:49,035 --> 01:19:51,871 and fearful of what we were going to do to him. 1576 01:19:51,871 --> 01:19:54,040 But they were more frightened than we were. 1577 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,335 And we were frightened, I don't mind telling you! 1578 01:19:56,335 --> 01:19:59,421 Mostly, they were just boys, as we were. 1579 01:19:59,421 --> 01:20:02,466 They seemed glad to be captured, they were out of it. 1580 01:20:02,466 --> 01:20:03,634 Is this yours? 1581 01:20:03,634 --> 01:20:05,844 Mein. This is his. Ah, it's yours. 1582 01:20:05,844 --> 01:20:07,930 Put it in your pocket. 1583 01:20:07,930 --> 01:20:10,432 There was a little German fella, I gave him a cigarette, 1584 01:20:10,432 --> 01:20:13,686 and he was terrified, and I was very, very sorry for him, 1585 01:20:13,686 --> 01:20:16,063 really, you know. He was only about 16. 1586 01:20:16,063 --> 01:20:18,775 And we had a chinwag, and I just took his pocket watch, 1587 01:20:18,775 --> 01:20:20,401 you know, it was a normal thing. 1588 01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:22,028 We used to rob them, you see? 1589 01:20:22,028 --> 01:20:23,404 Right, let's go. 1590 01:20:24,447 --> 01:20:28,368 Yes, they were underfed, and they were in very poor shape. 1591 01:20:28,368 --> 01:20:29,744 Come on, come on now, lads. 1592 01:20:29,744 --> 01:20:31,121 Pick him up. Come on! 1593 01:20:31,121 --> 01:20:33,915 And funnily enough, five or six German prisoners came along, 1594 01:20:33,915 --> 01:20:37,210 and they helped carry me, and I got another six watches, 1595 01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:40,214 because I robbed these fellas who helped me down. 1596 01:20:40,214 --> 01:20:44,426 Every time we captured prisoners, a number of German prisoners 1597 01:20:44,426 --> 01:20:47,012 would immediately take up stretcher duty. 1598 01:20:47,012 --> 01:20:50,181 Now, I'm sure the Geneva Convention never required them to do that. 1599 01:20:50,181 --> 01:20:51,559 There you go, lads. 1600 01:20:51,559 --> 01:20:53,352 I've got him. Steady. 1601 01:20:54,728 --> 01:20:56,063 You're all right, chum. 1602 01:20:56,063 --> 01:20:57,648 That's it. Keep going. 1603 01:20:57,648 --> 01:21:00,651 I took about a dozen prisoners back with me, 1604 01:21:00,651 --> 01:21:03,237 they were all unarmed and I just had my old gun. 1605 01:21:03,237 --> 01:21:06,574 In some cases, there were a whole lot of Germans without even 1606 01:21:06,574 --> 01:21:08,826 a Tommy with them. 1607 01:21:08,826 --> 01:21:14,665 Oh, they were really cowed, they were, yes, very subdued. 1608 01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:21,714 I slept next to a German man who'd been wounded in the arm, 1609 01:21:21,714 --> 01:21:26,469 and to my amazement he started talking to me in English. 1610 01:21:26,469 --> 01:21:28,847 And he said he'd been a waiter at the Savoy. 1611 01:21:32,559 --> 01:21:36,355 I mean, I don't think the average British soldier ever had 1612 01:21:36,355 --> 01:21:39,691 any deep feelings regarding revenge against the German. 1613 01:21:39,691 --> 01:21:41,485 He admired him and respected him. 1614 01:21:42,653 --> 01:21:44,071 Go on, show him. 1615 01:21:44,071 --> 01:21:46,782 As the war went on, I felt as much sympathy for them 1616 01:21:46,782 --> 01:21:48,701 as I did for myself. 1617 01:21:48,701 --> 01:21:51,245 The German I always thought was a good fighter. 1618 01:21:51,245 --> 01:21:54,331 I'd sooner have him on my side than on the opposite side. 1619 01:21:54,331 --> 01:21:57,293 I think some of the Germans thought we ought to have been fighting 1620 01:21:57,293 --> 01:22:01,047 with them against the French and the Russians, but none of them 1621 01:22:01,047 --> 01:22:02,924 thought we ought to be fighting each other. 1622 01:22:02,924 --> 01:22:04,342 Keep on moving forward! 1623 01:22:04,342 --> 01:22:08,722 You see, the German had been an unknown horde 1624 01:22:08,722 --> 01:22:11,349 with their coal-scuttle helmets, and then we met them. 1625 01:22:11,349 --> 01:22:14,144 Well, the German soldier, he was a very nice fellow as a rule. 1626 01:22:14,144 --> 01:22:16,521 You know, I think he was really a barber or a shopkeeper 1627 01:22:16,521 --> 01:22:19,858 or something, and, the same as us, he was stuck in uniform. 1628 01:22:19,858 --> 01:22:23,070 You're too tall. Get you next time, Jerry! 1629 01:22:23,070 --> 01:22:25,781 We got on very well together, actually, and they used to 1630 01:22:25,781 --> 01:22:27,116 mix in with us. 1631 01:22:27,116 --> 01:22:29,077 Want your hat back? 1632 01:22:29,077 --> 01:22:30,828 Here, give it him back! 1633 01:22:30,828 --> 01:22:33,789 They were decent, sort of family people 1634 01:22:33,789 --> 01:22:36,876 and thought a great deal of their children. 1635 01:22:38,586 --> 01:22:41,964 They didn't seem to bear any malice against us. 1636 01:22:41,964 --> 01:22:44,509 They'd had to do what they were told, like us. 1637 01:22:46,302 --> 01:22:48,387 Go on, go on tracking... 1638 01:22:48,387 --> 01:22:51,390 I couldn't speak German, but some could, and the Germans, 1639 01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:53,101 some of them could speak English. 1640 01:22:53,101 --> 01:22:55,103 Anyhow, we could understand each other. 1641 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:58,023 The general agreement when we were talking to Germans 1642 01:22:58,023 --> 01:23:02,569 was how useless war was and why did it have to happen. 1643 01:23:05,364 --> 01:23:07,825 When you're passing bodies all day long, 1644 01:23:07,825 --> 01:23:11,245 it's bound to have an effect on whoever it is, isn't it? 1645 01:23:11,245 --> 01:23:13,330 This big fat German was lying in a street... 1646 01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:14,540 FLIES BUZZ 1647 01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:17,001 ..you know, his stomach was all gassed up, 1648 01:23:17,001 --> 01:23:19,795 his intestines lying out on his belly. 1649 01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:22,715 And somebody had stuck a pipe in his mouth! 1650 01:23:22,715 --> 01:23:25,885 Yeah, we all told him to get up! HE CHUCKLES 1651 01:23:27,303 --> 01:23:31,266 German troops were very brave and very stubborn. 1652 01:23:31,266 --> 01:23:34,727 The Germans fought rearguard actions almost back to the Rhine, 1653 01:23:34,727 --> 01:23:38,607 and regiment after regiment was smashed up and cut about. 1654 01:23:38,607 --> 01:23:42,318 We had an idea that they were beginning to crack. 1655 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,115 I would say that they were, if anything, rather despondent. 1656 01:23:47,115 --> 01:23:48,992 They knew they had lost the war. 1657 01:23:48,992 --> 01:23:52,871 We, as front-line soldiers, knew they were giving up. 1658 01:23:52,871 --> 01:23:57,417 Quite frankly, the Germans were fed up with the whole thing. 1659 01:23:57,417 --> 01:24:01,338 And, gradually, that is how the war itself came to an end. 1660 01:24:01,338 --> 01:24:04,508 I got the impression that most of the German soldiers 1661 01:24:04,508 --> 01:24:08,679 couldn't care less who won as long as the war finished. 1662 01:24:08,679 --> 01:24:11,182 Of course, that's what everybody was thinking about then - 1663 01:24:11,182 --> 01:24:13,059 we'd had enough. 1664 01:24:13,059 --> 01:24:16,687 And after a time, perhaps nobody cared. 1665 01:24:16,687 --> 01:24:18,523 All right, boys, here it comes. 1666 01:24:18,523 --> 01:24:20,108 We're in the pictures! 1667 01:24:21,234 --> 01:24:23,861 There was a fella in the war called Rumour, 1668 01:24:23,861 --> 01:24:26,948 he knows everything, you see, and Mr Rumour told us 1669 01:24:26,948 --> 01:24:30,452 that the Germans were also negotiating for an Armistice. 1670 01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:32,496 There was a huge poster, 1671 01:24:32,496 --> 01:24:37,418 "All hostilities will cease on the Western Front at 11 o'clock 1672 01:24:37,418 --> 01:24:40,546 "on the 11th of November 1918." 1673 01:24:40,546 --> 01:24:42,923 So we said to each other, "What day is it?" 1674 01:24:42,923 --> 01:24:47,386 And somebody discovered it was November the 11th! 1675 01:24:47,386 --> 01:24:50,682 And then we had to shine our boots, clean our buttons, 1676 01:24:50,682 --> 01:24:53,350 we knew the war was over then, and we were quite confident 1677 01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:55,770 that we would be there when it ended. 1678 01:24:55,770 --> 01:25:00,191 This proclamation was read out, stating that the hostilities 1679 01:25:00,191 --> 01:25:03,861 would cease from 11 that morning, and actually there wasn't 1680 01:25:03,861 --> 01:25:07,157 a cheer of any kind raised when that was read out. 1681 01:25:07,157 --> 01:25:11,536 At 11 o'clock, the noise of the gunfire just rolled away, 1682 01:25:11,536 --> 01:25:13,830 like a peal of thunder, in the distance. 1683 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:17,209 SHELLFIRE AND GUNFIRE FADES OUT 1684 01:25:21,922 --> 01:25:25,008 BIRDSONG, SOLDIERS CHATTER 1685 01:25:26,093 --> 01:25:27,803 Never heard it being quiet. 1686 01:25:27,803 --> 01:25:30,723 Now it was dead silent. 1687 01:25:30,723 --> 01:25:33,851 You were so dazed that you could stand up straight and not be shot. 1688 01:25:33,851 --> 01:25:35,352 It was eerie. 1689 01:25:37,271 --> 01:25:39,982 There was a feeling of relief and gladness, 1690 01:25:39,982 --> 01:25:42,610 I suppose, but no celebration. 1691 01:25:42,610 --> 01:25:45,529 The staff officer shut his watch up and said, 1692 01:25:45,529 --> 01:25:48,282 "I wonder what we're all going to do next." 1693 01:25:48,282 --> 01:25:51,912 There was no demonstration of any kind, nobody said a word, 1694 01:25:51,912 --> 01:25:54,580 everybody just slumped away. 1695 01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:57,125 The only way we could have celebrated as regards 1696 01:25:57,125 --> 01:26:00,628 to a liquid would have been tea, that's all. 1697 01:26:00,628 --> 01:26:03,298 It was one of the flattest moments of our lives. 1698 01:26:03,298 --> 01:26:05,634 We just couldn't comprehend it. 1699 01:26:07,344 --> 01:26:09,638 We had that sort of feeling as though we'd been kicked 1700 01:26:09,638 --> 01:26:10,931 out of a job. 1701 01:26:10,931 --> 01:26:14,518 For some of us, it was practically the only life we'd known. 1702 01:26:14,518 --> 01:26:16,687 What was one going to do next? 1703 01:26:16,687 --> 01:26:18,939 It was just like being made redundant. 1704 01:26:18,939 --> 01:26:21,901 That was very much the feeling of everyone. 1705 01:26:21,901 --> 01:26:25,195 We were thoroughly upset, we'd all got no work to go to. 1706 01:26:25,195 --> 01:26:27,239 "I don't want to go back." 1707 01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:32,453 There was no cheering, no singing - we were drained of all emotion. 1708 01:26:32,453 --> 01:26:37,125 We were too far gone, too exhausted to enjoy it. 1709 01:26:37,125 --> 01:26:41,379 All things come to an end, and even a drama can go on too long. 1710 01:26:41,379 --> 01:26:44,674 It didn't end with a whimper, but something very much like one. 1711 01:27:01,024 --> 01:27:04,528 I was very happy to leave. I'd had enough, you know? 1712 01:27:04,528 --> 01:27:08,156 After a time, it begins to wear on one, you know? 1713 01:27:08,156 --> 01:27:11,035 "Thank goodness the bloody thing is over," that was all. 1714 01:27:11,035 --> 01:27:13,329 But so far as I was concerned, I was out of it, 1715 01:27:13,329 --> 01:27:15,415 and now the next step in life. 1716 01:27:15,415 --> 01:27:18,460 The first thing we did was write home, say we were all right, 1717 01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:20,878 making sure we got the date on the envelope right. 1718 01:27:20,878 --> 01:27:23,715 To someone like myself, who was interested in nature, 1719 01:27:23,715 --> 01:27:26,467 after the horrors that man had made of the battlefront, 1720 01:27:26,467 --> 01:27:30,513 I was immensely delighted to find shell holes in which I picked 1721 01:27:30,513 --> 01:27:34,559 lilies of the valley and larkspur, and I pursued Camberwell Beauties 1722 01:27:34,559 --> 01:27:38,396 and swallowtail butterflies along the banks of the Aisne river. 1723 01:27:38,396 --> 01:27:40,274 We went to Boulogne. 1724 01:27:40,274 --> 01:27:42,401 By the way, we came home with full pack, 1725 01:27:42,401 --> 01:27:45,112 the only thing we left behind was the bullets, 1726 01:27:45,112 --> 01:27:46,989 we had to discard those. 1727 01:27:46,989 --> 01:27:48,782 But we still kept our rifle. 1728 01:27:48,782 --> 01:27:53,829 We went over to Folkestone, and there were long trestle tables 1729 01:27:53,829 --> 01:27:57,291 with very kind ladies, and they gave you a sausage roll 1730 01:27:57,291 --> 01:28:01,962 or a bun and a cup of tea, and that was very welcome. 1731 01:28:01,962 --> 01:28:06,133 We entrained to Victoria, and there we broke up. 1732 01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:09,178 We went to the barracks, and we just dumped rifles, 1733 01:28:09,178 --> 01:28:11,931 bayonets and everything, and there were a lot of suits 1734 01:28:11,931 --> 01:28:14,350 on display, hats, shoes. 1735 01:28:14,350 --> 01:28:16,978 You could tell her which one you wanted, style and colour, 1736 01:28:16,978 --> 01:28:18,480 and they measured you. 1737 01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:23,318 I was horrified by what I saw when I came back here 1738 01:28:23,318 --> 01:28:25,237 and when one tried to get a job. 1739 01:28:25,237 --> 01:28:27,530 There was mass unemployment, and I thought, 1740 01:28:27,530 --> 01:28:29,158 "This isn't much of a life." 1741 01:28:29,158 --> 01:28:31,368 It was a most difficult thing to realise you're of 1742 01:28:31,368 --> 01:28:32,787 no commercial value. 1743 01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:35,247 It was a shame, the way ex-servicemen were treated. 1744 01:28:35,247 --> 01:28:36,623 You weren't wanted. 1745 01:28:36,623 --> 01:28:40,044 Some places said, "No ex-servicemen need apply," 1746 01:28:40,044 --> 01:28:42,755 and that was the sort of attitude you were up against. 1747 01:28:42,755 --> 01:28:47,135 One of my pals was killed, and when I went home, the very first thing 1748 01:28:47,135 --> 01:28:49,554 that I did was go to his mother, who, 1749 01:28:49,554 --> 01:28:51,931 if she'd had a frying pan, she'd have hit me. 1750 01:28:51,931 --> 01:28:54,434 Her son had been killed and I'd come back alive. 1751 01:28:54,434 --> 01:28:56,269 She was very bitter. 1752 01:28:56,269 --> 01:28:59,398 The first night I came home, I got into my old bed, 1753 01:28:59,398 --> 01:29:02,776 the first bed I'd laid in since I joined the Army. 1754 01:29:02,776 --> 01:29:05,111 When mother brought my cup of tea up in the morning, 1755 01:29:05,111 --> 01:29:07,280 she found me fast asleep on the floor. 1756 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,199 People never talked about the war. 1757 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,244 It was a thing that had no conversational value at all. 1758 01:29:12,244 --> 01:29:15,122 Most people were absolutely disinterested. 1759 01:29:15,122 --> 01:29:17,415 When I got home, my father and my mother 1760 01:29:17,415 --> 01:29:20,002 didn't seem in the least interested in what had happened, 1761 01:29:20,002 --> 01:29:22,087 they hadn't any conception of what it was like. 1762 01:29:22,087 --> 01:29:23,255 SOLDIER WHISTLES TUNE 1763 01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:25,549 And there was no reason why any one of us millions 1764 01:29:25,549 --> 01:29:27,844 should have been favoured with a thank you very much 1765 01:29:27,844 --> 01:29:32,015 for having got a little bit muddy and out of touch with good manners. 1766 01:29:32,015 --> 01:29:34,433 And on occasions when I did talk about it, 1767 01:29:34,433 --> 01:29:38,188 my father would argue points of fact that he couldn't possibly have known 1768 01:29:38,188 --> 01:29:40,106 about because he wasn't there. 1769 01:29:40,106 --> 01:29:42,942 Every soldier I've spoken to experienced the same thing. 1770 01:29:42,942 --> 01:29:45,903 We were a race apart from the civilians, 1771 01:29:45,903 --> 01:29:47,989 and you could speak to your comrades, 1772 01:29:47,989 --> 01:29:50,825 and they understood, but the civilians, 1773 01:29:50,825 --> 01:29:52,744 it was just a waste of time. 1774 01:29:52,744 --> 01:29:56,623 However nice and sympathetic they were, attempts of 1775 01:29:56,623 --> 01:30:01,003 well-meaning people to sympathise reflected the fact that they 1776 01:30:01,003 --> 01:30:03,171 didn't really understand at all. 1777 01:30:03,171 --> 01:30:07,092 I think the magnitude was just beyond their comprehension, 1778 01:30:07,092 --> 01:30:11,305 they didn't understand that people that you'd known and played football 1779 01:30:11,305 --> 01:30:13,850 with were just killed beside you. 1780 01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:17,603 My friend who enlisted with me, and he just lay there like a sack 1781 01:30:17,603 --> 01:30:22,191 of rags until he went black, before anybody troubled to bury him. 1782 01:30:22,191 --> 01:30:25,070 They knew that people came back covered with mud and lice, 1783 01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:28,323 but they'd no idea of the strain of sitting in a trench 1784 01:30:28,323 --> 01:30:31,784 and waiting for something to drop on one's head. 1785 01:30:31,784 --> 01:30:34,371 You couldn't convey the awful state of things, 1786 01:30:34,371 --> 01:30:37,832 the way you lived like animals and behaved like animals. 1787 01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:43,046 People didn't seem to realise what a terrible thing war was. 1788 01:30:43,046 --> 01:30:47,551 I think they felt that the war was one continual cavalry charge. 1789 01:30:47,551 --> 01:30:50,471 They hadn't any conception - how could they? 1790 01:30:50,471 --> 01:30:52,681 Well, it started off in a reasonable manner, 1791 01:30:52,681 --> 01:30:55,435 it was people fighting on horseback with swords, 1792 01:30:55,435 --> 01:30:57,728 but it developed into something ghastly. 1793 01:30:57,728 --> 01:31:01,148 People don't realise the potential of military equipment. 1794 01:31:01,148 --> 01:31:03,901 A man's life wasn't worth anything at the end of the war. 1795 01:31:03,901 --> 01:31:06,237 We were none of us heroes, you know - we didn't 1796 01:31:06,237 --> 01:31:09,323 like this business of being killed at all. 1797 01:31:09,323 --> 01:31:11,242 When we were talking amongst ourselves, 1798 01:31:11,242 --> 01:31:14,537 we used to say, "Christ, they won't have any more wars like this." 1799 01:31:14,537 --> 01:31:16,164 How did we endure it? 1800 01:31:16,164 --> 01:31:19,125 The answer must be partly the fear of fear, 1801 01:31:19,125 --> 01:31:21,378 the fear of being found afraid. 1802 01:31:21,378 --> 01:31:24,214 Another is belief in human beings, your colleague, 1803 01:31:24,214 --> 01:31:26,841 and there's no letting people down. 1804 01:31:26,841 --> 01:31:30,970 There may be right on both sides, but I think war is horrible. 1805 01:31:30,970 --> 01:31:34,015 Everything should be done to avoid war. 1806 01:31:34,015 --> 01:31:37,018 I still can't see the justification for it. 1807 01:31:37,018 --> 01:31:39,397 It was all really rather horrible. 1808 01:31:39,397 --> 01:31:42,024 I think history will decide, in the end, 1809 01:31:42,024 --> 01:31:44,151 that it was not worthwhile. 1810 01:31:46,654 --> 01:31:50,450 The only thing that really did annoy me was when I went back to work, 1811 01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:53,703 after I'd got demobilised, I went down the stores, 1812 01:31:53,703 --> 01:31:56,915 and the bloke behind the counter was a bloke who I knew. 1813 01:31:56,915 --> 01:31:59,000 He said, "Where have you been? 1814 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,669 "On nights?" 1815 01:32:01,305 --> 01:32:07,256 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from OpenSubtitles.org 154451

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