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This is an illegal gathering.
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You must disperse immediately.
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Stay down.
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Pass.
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You're in Soweto.
Why?
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My sister lives in District Three.
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What's in the back?
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Furniture.
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Wait.
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Okay, it's fine.
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He was out collecting wood
with his father and his sister.
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The Police came out of nowhere and
grabbed us and took us to the bridge.
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They took my dad and tied him
in a canvas bag...
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and dropped him into the river.
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They made us watch him drown.
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They told us to go home and tell
the others the price for being ANC.
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We have a word...
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'Ubuntu'.
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It means a person's humanity...
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is measured according to their
relationship with others.
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We tell the children that these
people, who commit these crimes...
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have lost their humanity...
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and are as much victims
of Apartheid as we are.
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Who the hell is he?
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He's a friend I can vouch for him.
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He's here to help.
He's from Consolidated Goldfields.
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To talk about fund raising for our
schools programme.
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We didn't ask for his hand-outs.
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- Leave him be! Let him be!
- Michael Young.
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Sir?
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Go, go, go!
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- It's Michael Young.
- What progress?
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This isn't going to work for us.
We need to aim higher.
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Safer to stay in the foothills.
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The more visible, the more
vulnerable we are.
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Yes, it's much safer.
Yes.
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A bit of hush.
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It is my pleasure to present
Thabo Mbeki.
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The African National Congress'
Head of Information...
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who is here representing
the ANC president, Oliver Tambo.
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I know that you'll make Mr Mbeki
feel most welcome.
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My name is Thabo Mbeki...
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and I am a terrorist.
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No doubt, that is what you
have been told.
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No incendiary devices.
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No concealed weapons.
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I am just a man, as you are.
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Every day the President
of South Africa...
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under the mantle of his State
of Emergency...
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deploys thousands more of
his troops in the townships...
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brutally crushing the rising
resistance to his oppressive regime.
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Yet, the UK, is still one of South
Africa's leading trading partners.
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Every company...
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every financial institution
which continues to invest there...
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is a source of political and economic
strength to P.W. Botha.
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If it is true that money talks,
then let it speak, clearly.
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Let your voice join ours when we say
the bloodshed of our people must end.
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The time to shout 'enough' has come.
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The time for you to act is here.
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Mr Mbeki?
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Michael Young.
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Public Affairs Director,
Consolidated Goldfields.
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Tell me how we can help.
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It's not an offer to make lightly,
Mr Young. We might take you up on it.
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It wasn't made lightly.
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As you say, we too have an incentive
to ensure your country's survival.
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We have this recurring
nightmare, Mr Young...
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that one day the South African
Government will send us a message...
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indicating that it is ready to talk
to us about ending apartheid.
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Because of our antagonism and
mistrust, we fail to hear the message.
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We fail to respond.
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We miss the moment.
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Thank you.
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An apparatchik working for
a reactionary outfit like Goldfields?
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Is that what it's come to?
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The fact that he works for Goldfields
means he'll be listened to.
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You know a better entry card?
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And if the Public Affairs
thing is just a front?
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I doubt he's Ml6.
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I need a word.
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He's expecting you.
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Come in.
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I think I have a way forward
on our problem.
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I'm listening.
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Mr Vijoan?
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It's Michael Young. I called last
week about the meetings...
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I'm trying to set up between
the ANC and leading Afrikaners.
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The risk is too great.
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I have a young family to think of.
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Please don't call me again.
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They're just exploratory meetings...
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and someone representing
the Dutch Reform Church...
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who better to act as
a mediator between the two sides?
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It's not the policy of our church
to involve ourselves in politics.
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I can't help you. I am sorry.
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There are those on both sides
who favour force over dialogue.
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To maintain secrecy, it's best
if we hold the talks in the U.K.
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In South Africa secrets are
a way of life.
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They also have a habit
of exploding in your face.
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I can't be bothered.
I'm sorry.
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- Can I use your toilet?
- Yeah, it's around the back.
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Love has a habit of pushing us
into the arms of philosophy.
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An earthquake claims a thousand lives.
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Families bludgeoned to death
by intruders.
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The death of a much loved child.
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Such events prompt us to ask
how a benign deity can allow...
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such tragedies to happen.
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The task of Philosophy is to rise above
the futility and chaos of daily life...
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to seek a deeper truth
to our existence.
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I'll finish with the words of Pascal.
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'If man's dignity lies in thought...
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then let us all strive to think well.'
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Good day.
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Be warned!
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Those who have not yet handed in their
assignment on Freedom and the State...
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will find their own freedom curtailed.
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Mr Gruber, make my day.
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Treat yourself to a new
typewriter ribbon.
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Mr Young, I assume?
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An audacious mission
you've undertaken.
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A mission impossible,
might be more apt.
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What you are asking is impossible.
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No sane man would put his livelihood,
not to mention his life...
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on the line
to break bread with the devil.
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In this country, those who go public
against Apartheid...
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acquire the status of a pariah.
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Yet, you still agreed
to meet with me?
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You say Consolidated Goldfields have
agreed to fund these meetings?
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Your founder would turn in his grave.
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Rhodes knew that market forces
can succeed where politicians fail.
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You are being disingenuous.
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This is about your company protecting
it's investments here, is it not?
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They know apartheid is an anathema
morally and economically.
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They've colluded with it long enough.
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It's an open secret that a silent
coup has taken place in our country.
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Botha no longer consults Parliament
or the cabinet...
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but rules in the manner of
a medieval monarch.
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Only his inner sanctum of
security advisors have his ear.
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It's they who wield the power,
and they are not interested...
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in a political solution.
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Like most Afrikaners, I find...
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the murderous methodology of
the ANC morally repugnant...
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and the idea of cosying up to them
is abhorrent...
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even the thought makes me retch.
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I'm sorry that you
had a wasted journey.
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I am not the man
for your mission.
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Get on the move.
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If you are not otherwise engaged,
Mr Mandela...
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the Minister of Justice invites
you to join him for tea.
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I'm told it's cucumber sandwiches
this time.
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It seems you
have another visitor, too.
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The Head of National Intelligence,
no less.
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Doctor Barnard is here?
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A moment if you please, Mr Brand.
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Copy, control.
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Thank you.
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Control.
Confirm subject's arrival.
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Mr Coatsee.
Good to see you again.
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Good to see you too, Mr Mandela.
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Doctor Neil Barnard is here,
Head of National Intelligence.
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He's asked to sit in
on our discussions.
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Mr Nelson Mandela.
Doctor Neil Barnard.
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I've waited a long time
for this opportunity, Doctor.
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Likewise, sir.
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...used tear gas
to disperse the crowd...
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in what a security forces
spokesperson described as...
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'necessary measures
to contain the violence'.
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And, there were further arrests when
Eug�ne Terre'Blanche's AWB party...
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held a recruitment rally,
four people were detained.
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If they want to take this country
by force and violence...
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they'll meet us
over the barrel of a gun.
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A! W! B!
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Michael Young.
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I cannot stand by and do nothing
while my country is reduced to ashes.
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I'll come to your meeting.
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Let me know where and when.
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Doctor Barnard, Mr President.
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- Did he take the bait?
- And deny his moment of destiny?
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- He took it alright.
- Vanity... vanity.
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Tambo's waiting to see you.
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Oliver, maybe these talks are the
opportunity we've been waiting for.
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Yes, but not everyone is going
to like it.
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Many will see this as a betrayal.
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So, we need to keep this between us,
and report back only to me.
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Be careful, Thabo.
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We're in.
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Some housekeeping notes.
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No telephone communication
with the ANC either...
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in Lusaka or here in London.
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South African Intelligence have our
phones tapped. Yours too, by now.
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Don't think because you're back
in London you're not vulnerable.
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Car and letter bombs are the weapons
of choice of the security agents.
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Welcome to our world.
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The board get wind we're jumping into
bed...
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with a bunch of Kalashnikov
carrying terrorists...
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we'll both be out on our ears.
You realise that?
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They can't ignore reality.
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Every day Botha gets more isolated,
the country more ungovernable.
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Something doesn't give, and soon
the company will go down with it.
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You see your role in this as what?
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To create a neutral arena
and step aside.
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Hope that they can see each other
as men, rather than as enemies.
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A risky strategy.
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Others are risking more than that.
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Heroics don't cut much ice with
shareholders.
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A 'need to know' basis. Only.
Trust no-one. Confide in no-one.
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I'll bury the costs under Research
and Development, or some such.
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Arrangements for my personal affairs
should anything happen to me.
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- You think that's likely?
- A precaution.
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Michael?
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If this ever gets out...
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I shall have to deny all knowledge
of it and, disown you.
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And, I'll be nothing,
if not convincing.
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Passport? Ticket?
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Taxi.
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It's okay.
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Professor.
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In the nick of time.
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May I come in?
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In public, Botha's still holding
the party line...
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that you must defeat terrorists before
you can negotiate with them.
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Privately, he wants you to continue
the dialogue for as long as possible.
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The more we know about the ANC's
fault lines in their power structure...
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the better we are equipped
to control the end game.
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So, I am to act as your spy?
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A go between is more what
we had in mind.
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Have you thought why you were chosen
to lead these talks, Professor?
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You're a soft target.
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They think your reputation as an
advocate for social justice...
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gives them a way in.
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Play along.
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Mbeki must think you are just a...
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respected academic on
a fact-finding mission.
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A soft target is not
a soft touch, Doctor.
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I'm going to that meeting to hear
what they have to say.
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As importantly for them to hear
what I have to say.
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The whole process
is futile otherwise.
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Ja, but the thing is,
you see, Professor.
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You don't co-operate...
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your participation in
the process will be terminated.
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My direct line. Call me.
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You need to be vigilant
about incendiary devices now.
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Always check under your
car before using it.
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I'll send my people over
to show you how.
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And your ticket?
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Don't forget to ring Albi Sachs.
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Hello?
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This is Thabo Mbeki.
I need a quick word.
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He's just left for the airport.
I'll try and catch him, hold on.
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Albi!
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Albi!
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- Get another line.
- Another line, please!
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Background checks on staff. And
they know that security is an issue?
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I briefed them this morning.
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Brief them every morning.
Just keep hammering it home.
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00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:58,342
- This is Mr Mambenki's room.
- Mbeki.
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- All the rooms are ensuite.
- It's nice.
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- And, next door?
- His colleague. Mr... Pahad.
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Put Professor Esterhuyse
next to Mbeki.
260
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We need to mix them up. Maximise
the opportunity for chance meetings.
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- Right.
- Good. Thank you.
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'Welcome' seems a meagre word
for such an occasion.
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But, it is no less sincere,
all the same.
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00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:24,396
Now, as you can see from
the agenda I drew up...
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we have a lot of ground to cover.
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So, if we're to get through it
I think it is essential that...
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With respect, Mr Young.
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Since you are not South African,
it's not your agenda.
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It's ours.
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And, with respect, Mr Mbeki...
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I must remind you that the agenda
was agreed by both sides in advance.
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Item one.
The ANC perspective.
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We know that you Afrikaners have
paid in blood for your country.
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As, we have.
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We know too, that it was from your
suffering...
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that a system of apartheid
was incubated.
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The need to dominate is often
a consequence of survival.
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Our problem is, as exiles, we are...
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outside the political system.
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So, we are not in a position to offer
any concessions or compromises...
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in any potential negotiations with
the government.
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If you can't offer concessions,
what can you offer?
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All we can do is set out our
stall of demands.
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The release of Nelson Mandela
and all political prisoners.
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The unbanning of all proscribed
political organisations.
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Only then can a negotiated transition
to majority rule take place.
287
00:35:55,349 --> 00:36:00,515
So, then, we can take it that there
is no truth in the rumour...
288
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that the ANC hopes Mandela will
die in prison?
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Thus elevating him to the status
of martyr.
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00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:08,685
You don't think he's achieved
that status already?
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00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:11,702
That rumour, along with most
information about us...
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is based on disinformation.
293
00:36:13,704 --> 00:36:17,273
And, the riots and bloodshed
if he does get released?
294
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:20,436
Can you guarantee you can control
your guerrilla extremists?
295
00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:23,208
Controlling Mrs Mandela and her
necklacing would be a start.
296
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As would controlling the brutality
of your security police.
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00:36:28,586 --> 00:36:30,247
Can you guarantee that?
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There's talk in Pretoria that Botha
is considering...
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forming a new body to be
affiliated to Parliament...
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00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:45,119
where black representatives can join
the coloured and Indian delegates...
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as a prelude to power sharing.
302
00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:49,510
Can we ask your opinion on such
a proposal?
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What is yours?
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I'm just here on a fact-finding
mission, Mr Mbeki.
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Your opinion is the issue.
306
00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:02,011
My understanding is we are not here
to discuss reforming Apartheid.
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Or, disguising it under some new
administrative structure.
308
00:37:06,013 --> 00:37:08,063
We're here to talk about how
to abolish it.
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What we are seeking, is a prelude
to majority rule.
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Power sharing, is not an option.
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Ah, Professor.
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Okay. Good, good.
Gentlemen, please. Good.
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Perhaps, if you outline the specific
nature of your fears...
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relating to majority rule.
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00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:20,987
It's not bloody rocket science.
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The blacks come after our blood,
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and our children get slaughtered
in their beds. That, is the reality.
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A communist leaning administration
will destroy our economic stability.
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00:38:32,445 --> 00:38:35,072
They'll end up in the same post
colonial chaos...
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as the other African states.
321
00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:38,270
Professor?
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You'll obliterate not only our language
and our culture, but our human rights.
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00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,962
Fear is the first weapon
of the oppressor.
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It blinds us all from seeing
the humanity of the other.
325
00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:52,516
Your hands are not
so clean either, Mr Mbeki.
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00:38:53,397 --> 00:38:56,462
What is your campaign of terror
based on if not fear?
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00:38:56,497 --> 00:38:59,528
The culture of fear is not of
our making, Professor.
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00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:02,335
We learnt it at the feet
of our masters.
329
00:39:10,114 --> 00:39:13,561
You're looking tired, Mr Mandela.
We've kept you talking too late again.
330
00:39:13,951 --> 00:39:17,637
Fortunately, I had no other
plans tonight.
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00:39:19,957 --> 00:39:23,085
I look forward to our next
conversation, Doctor.
332
00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:26,527
For a moment I thought you said,
'negotiation'.
333
00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,096
My ear's playing tricks on me.
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00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:32,868
Good night, Doctor.
335
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:36,790
- Mr. Coatsee.
- Good night.
336
00:39:41,612 --> 00:39:44,103
Stop all contact with the
other Robben Islanders.
337
00:39:45,649 --> 00:39:48,516
We don't need their
Greek Chorus in his ear.
338
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:49,372
Alright.
339
00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,268
And get him a suit for next time.
340
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:55,906
We'll get more out of him
if he thinks he's an equal.
341
00:39:55,926 --> 00:39:57,427
Okay. It's a good idea.
342
00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:40,286
I'll leave you to it.
343
00:40:40,337 --> 00:40:44,535
I just think things might free up
a bit without an outsider present.
344
00:40:49,346 --> 00:40:50,973
Bored with us already?
345
00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:54,920
It's a tactical withdrawal.
346
00:41:11,836 --> 00:41:12,825
So, Professor.
347
00:41:15,539 --> 00:41:17,643
When you first saw me,
did you think...
348
00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:22,009
'Ah, so that's what a fucking,
communist terrorist looks like'?
349
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:28,551
And, you? Did you think...
350
00:41:28,586 --> 00:41:32,738
'Ah, so that's what a fucking
racist Boer looks like'?
351
00:41:33,791 --> 00:41:36,926
No doubt, you assume our claim
to be non-racial...
352
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is just a rhetoric of political
convenience, but you are mistaken.
353
00:41:42,566 --> 00:41:44,124
It's what defines us.
354
00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:52,138
And you are mistaken in your
assumptions about us, Mr Mbeki.
355
00:41:53,978 --> 00:41:57,459
Our fear doesn't
stem from propaganda...
356
00:41:58,616 --> 00:42:02,063
but from the deep rooted knowledge
that one day we will be punished...
357
00:42:04,054 --> 00:42:06,887
for all the terrible wrongs
we have inflicted.
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00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:25,083
Good night, Professor.
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00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:27,560
Goodnight.
360
00:44:05,042 --> 00:44:05,895
Hello?
361
00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:09,510
Professor?
362
00:44:13,884 --> 00:44:15,795
Can I help you?
363
00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:50,991
Young gave his assurance the place
was clean of bugs.
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00:44:51,021 --> 00:44:52,716
I couldn't take the chance.
365
00:44:56,293 --> 00:45:01,105
I hope to God, you don't make me
regret what I'm about to do.
366
00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:06,335
To the press and parliament,
Botha's still on message that...
367
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:10,909
you must abandon your weapons before
he'll conduct a dialogue with you.
368
00:45:15,012 --> 00:45:19,415
But, my presence here suggests
otherwise.
369
00:45:24,922 --> 00:45:27,061
Botha knows about these talks?
370
00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:32,847
I'm instructed to report back
to him via Doctor Barnard...
371
00:45:32,882 --> 00:45:34,422
in National Intelligence.
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00:45:38,602 --> 00:45:41,059
I'm to be their Trojan horse.
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00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:50,035
You take a risk telling
me this, Professor.
374
00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:53,476
It would be a risk not telling you.
375
00:45:57,521 --> 00:45:59,591
Without trust, we'll achieve nothing.
376
00:46:00,557 --> 00:46:01,956
Tambo says if we are to...
377
00:46:03,794 --> 00:46:05,807
win our freedom
we must first...
378
00:46:07,064 --> 00:46:09,077
banish bitterness.
379
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,327
This will be the test of it.
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00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:15,761
For all of us.
381
00:46:35,192 --> 00:46:36,238
Get him ready.
382
00:46:37,327 --> 00:46:40,125
Let's give him a taste
of what he's been missing.
383
00:46:40,998 --> 00:46:43,011
If you could just turn around.
384
00:46:48,539 --> 00:46:50,279
- Okay. It's good?
- Ja.
385
00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:57,336
I've lost the knack
of tying them over the years.
386
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:00,567
Well, shall we?
387
00:48:48,458 --> 00:48:50,198
Got it. I've got it.
388
00:48:59,569 --> 00:49:00,490
Barnard.
389
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:02,944
Did he enjoy his day of freedom?
390
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:04,668
Enough to get a taste for it,
let's hope.
391
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,206
- And the UK talks?
- Work in progress.
392
00:49:09,246 --> 00:49:12,147
I need more than that to placate
the bloody doves in Cabinet.
393
00:49:12,149 --> 00:49:14,674
Sir, the Cabinet must know
absolutely nothing about this.
394
00:49:14,685 --> 00:49:17,848
If some loose lips blabs to CNN the
whole process could implode on us.
395
00:49:17,854 --> 00:49:21,881
You sold me these talks
to get the inside track on the ANC.
396
00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:24,371
To give us leverage over Mandela.
397
00:49:24,394 --> 00:49:26,919
If you're not going to deliver.
What's the damn point?
398
00:49:34,838 --> 00:49:37,739
I have his exact words
here somewhere.
399
00:49:45,048 --> 00:49:46,447
Leave us.
400
00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:57,183
I do have a home to go to, Doctor.
401
00:50:02,466 --> 00:50:07,108
At the risk of invoking more accusations
that I'm gullible and naive, I repeat...
402
00:50:08,638 --> 00:50:12,631
In my view, Mbeki, is a man
the government can do business with.
403
00:50:13,043 --> 00:50:14,988
A view based on what?
404
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:21,450
Your cosy fireside chats?
405
00:50:21,485 --> 00:50:25,512
His existential ramblings
about universal suffrage?
406
00:50:27,891 --> 00:50:30,689
One can respect a man's commitment
to his ideals...
407
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:33,185
without sharing his methods
of achieving them.
408
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,933
Forgive me, if I don't also genuflect
at his altar of self government.
409
00:50:39,968 --> 00:50:41,643
Talk is cheap, Professor.
410
00:50:42,739 --> 00:50:45,287
He made no concessions, did he?
Not one.
411
00:50:46,576 --> 00:50:50,728
His so called conversion to moderation
is a ploy, orchestrated by Tambo.
412
00:50:50,763 --> 00:50:51,601
And you...
413
00:50:52,616 --> 00:50:54,083
you fell for it.
414
00:51:02,192 --> 00:51:05,400
- Can I go home?
- Not yet.
415
00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:30,478
Mandela sent his lawyer with
a message for me.
416
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,577
They've isolated him from Sisulu
and the other Robben Islanders.
417
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,210
He's been holding secret talks with
Doctor Barnard from the N.I. S...
418
00:51:41,598 --> 00:51:43,225
who reports back to Botha.
419
00:51:43,733 --> 00:51:46,770
I pressed Bizoz on the content
of the meetings.
420
00:51:46,805 --> 00:51:48,544
He claims Nelson said nothing.
421
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,837
He wanted to assure me he's
acting in good faith.
422
00:51:51,872 --> 00:51:53,720
He's walking into a trap.
423
00:51:55,245 --> 00:51:58,547
Botha knows about the U.K. talks.
424
00:51:58,582 --> 00:52:02,097
Barnard recruited Esterhuyse
to act as his informer.
425
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,917
They're playing 'divide and rule'
with us.
426
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:09,050
Pretoria will claim that
South Africa's most famous prisoner...
427
00:52:09,059 --> 00:52:12,665
wanted a peaceful settlement but
the ANC terrorists...
428
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:15,495
rejected it to pursue their
doctrine of violence.
429
00:52:15,499 --> 00:52:17,709
Madiba would never fall for such
a trick.
430
00:52:17,744 --> 00:52:19,919
How do we know what
his mental state is?
431
00:52:19,936 --> 00:52:21,881
The pressure he's under?
432
00:52:22,539 --> 00:52:25,702
What concessions he'll make
in return for his freedom?
433
00:52:28,178 --> 00:52:33,093
If he's so solid with us
why not tell us what he's doing?
434
00:52:34,584 --> 00:52:37,621
Why exclude you, of all people.
435
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:42,841
This Esterhuyse,
do you trust him?
436
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:47,635
Yes.
437
00:52:47,697 --> 00:52:50,632
A man you've barely
known a few hours?
438
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:53,636
Yet, I'm supposed
to doubt a man I've known a lifetime.
439
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:55,547
Who sacrificed everything for us.
440
00:52:55,572 --> 00:52:57,233
If trust is the issue...
441
00:52:59,109 --> 00:53:01,600
perhaps it is my judgement
which is in doubt.
442
00:53:01,611 --> 00:53:04,880
If we let ourselves be tainted
by distrust...
443
00:53:04,915 --> 00:53:10,069
Botha's tactics will succeed.
We play into his hands.
444
00:53:45,822 --> 00:53:49,679
The bombing came less than 24 hours
after President Botha told parliament...
445
00:53:49,714 --> 00:53:53,074
that security forces had uncovered
a terrorist cell in Natal...
446
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:55,679
and arrested 23 suspected insurgents.
447
00:53:55,699 --> 00:53:59,067
We understand that two of
the terrorists evaded capture.
448
00:53:59,102 --> 00:54:02,708
Security Forces have stepped up
their search in the Soweto area.
449
00:54:11,147 --> 00:54:12,296
Get in here.
450
00:54:22,058 --> 00:54:25,596
I'm home, Marie.
Anyone home?
451
00:55:38,568 --> 00:55:41,469
Target is confirmed.
Tomorrow at twelve p.m.
452
00:55:41,471 --> 00:55:42,176
Sure.
453
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:48,963
And the bloodshed
in South Africa today...
454
00:57:48,998 --> 00:57:51,137
after a bomb exploded
outside a shopping centre...
455
00:57:51,167 --> 00:57:53,146
in Roodeport, near Johannesburg.
456
00:57:53,736 --> 00:57:56,227
Four civilians were killed
and 18 others injured.
457
00:57:56,739 --> 00:57:59,474
A spokesman claimed that
the target was a nearby bank.
458
00:57:59,509 --> 00:58:02,091
He declined to give details on the
operational difficulties...
459
00:58:02,111 --> 00:58:03,669
which caused the explosion.
460
00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:11,228
Is that how you justify your campaign
of indiscriminate bombings...
461
00:58:11,263 --> 00:58:13,257
the killing of innocent civilians?
462
00:58:13,356 --> 00:58:15,904
We have never supported
the killing of civilians.
463
00:58:15,925 --> 00:58:18,450
Tell that to the women
and children that you maim and kill...
464
00:58:18,461 --> 00:58:21,396
with your limpet bombs and
your pipe bombs.
465
00:58:21,397 --> 00:58:24,673
Or are dead children legitimate
collateral damage...
466
00:58:24,708 --> 00:58:26,512
to promote your cycle of terror?
467
00:58:26,536 --> 00:58:30,017
I can quote you chapter and verse
on dead children, Professor.
468
00:58:30,052 --> 00:58:32,907
Names, ages and dates,
my son included.
469
00:58:35,879 --> 00:58:39,701
I think a break
is in order, gentlemen.
470
00:58:39,983 --> 00:58:44,419
ANC policy is,
and always has been...
471
00:58:44,454 --> 00:58:48,686
that only military and economic
targets are legitimate.
472
00:58:48,721 --> 00:58:50,831
If it smells like crap and
it sounds like crap...
473
00:58:50,894 --> 00:58:53,146
chances are, it is crap.
474
00:58:55,131 --> 00:58:57,486
Not once have I tried to justify...
475
00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,628
the excesses of
the South African Security Forces.
476
00:59:00,637 --> 00:59:06,191
Yet, you persist in spouting this
pre-digested dogma at me.
477
00:59:06,226 --> 00:59:11,746
Maybe they think if they say it
enough times, we'll buy it.
478
00:59:11,748 --> 00:59:16,129
This really is not productive,
so either we move on...
479
00:59:16,164 --> 00:59:20,511
The timing, of the Roodeport
bomb isn't coincidental.
480
00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:22,752
Lusaka authorised it...
481
00:59:23,826 --> 00:59:26,693
in the full knowledge of our meetings.
482
00:59:28,264 --> 00:59:30,653
It's the old terror tactic...
483
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:34,694
once the talking starts,
step up the violence.
484
00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:38,253
If you think that's going
to strengthen your hand...
485
00:59:38,308 --> 00:59:40,890
in any negotiations with
the Government...
486
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:45,062
you've seen to it that
all chance of that is off the table.
487
00:59:47,717 --> 00:59:49,150
Frankly...
488
00:59:55,458 --> 00:59:57,471
so are these talks.
489
01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:23,833
- Time to turn up the heat.
- Alright.
490
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:29,994
Hello, Mr Mandela. Please.
491
01:00:37,166 --> 01:00:39,487
Let's talk about Roodeport.
492
01:00:45,742 --> 01:00:47,516
It needed saying.
493
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,925
There was no getting round it.
494
01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:55,746
Perhaps.
495
01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:00,956
But, box a man into a corner and...
496
01:01:02,025 --> 01:01:04,742
The President is running out
of patience, Mr Mandela.
497
01:01:04,777 --> 01:01:07,459
Either, you denounce the communist
links with the ANC...
498
01:01:07,463 --> 01:01:08,828
condemn the violence...
499
01:01:10,433 --> 01:01:15,541
or, frankly, you and I?
We have nothing further to discuss.
500
01:01:15,576 --> 01:01:19,601
When political movements are forced
underground...
501
01:01:19,636 --> 01:01:21,932
they inevitably are thrown together...
502
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,917
and, no man of honour would desert
a lifelong friend...
503
01:01:28,952 --> 01:01:31,683
at the request of a common enemy.
504
01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:38,696
Gentlemen, excuse us.
505
01:01:48,571 --> 01:01:51,301
You're not the only game
in town, Mr Mandela.
506
01:01:53,543 --> 01:01:54,623
Don't you see?
507
01:01:55,978 --> 01:01:59,323
This is your chance to seize
the initiative.
508
01:02:00,016 --> 01:02:03,326
The ANC think they can bomb
their way into power...
509
01:02:04,654 --> 01:02:08,772
but a few words from you,
condemning the violence...
510
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,051
will not only secure your freedom...
511
01:02:14,564 --> 01:02:20,368
but will ensure that you alone...
512
01:02:20,403 --> 01:02:22,655
will be the man the Government
deals with.
513
01:02:24,974 --> 01:02:29,820
You, alone, can lead us all out
of this impasse.
514
01:02:36,185 --> 01:02:40,076
Haven't your years of sacrifice
earned you that right?
515
01:03:27,737 --> 01:03:29,580
This is the situation.
516
01:03:31,507 --> 01:03:33,541
All ANC bombing operations...
517
01:03:33,576 --> 01:03:36,878
fall under the command and
control structure in Lusaka.
518
01:03:36,913 --> 01:03:41,065
But, some of our cadres,
believing force to be the only way...
519
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:43,598
sometimes act without authority.
520
01:03:45,555 --> 01:03:47,534
Operations can get bungled.
521
01:03:49,225 --> 01:03:50,522
Innocent people...
522
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:52,840
get killed.
523
01:03:55,498 --> 01:03:57,193
But, you have my word...
524
01:03:57,934 --> 01:04:00,516
that I will do everything
in my power...
525
01:04:00,536 --> 01:04:05,075
to ensure that civilians no longer
suffer from our inadequacies.
526
01:04:06,242 --> 01:04:09,928
Are you telling us that you are unable
to control some of your...
527
01:04:10,947 --> 01:04:14,485
renegade cadres, Mr Mbeki?
528
01:04:15,251 --> 01:04:17,799
If you know the truth
of our situation, Professor...
529
01:04:19,088 --> 01:04:22,957
you will see that the issue
of violence...
530
01:04:22,992 --> 01:04:26,564
is irrevocably connected to
the other issues we wrestle with.
531
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:30,609
Only when we can participate
in a truly democratic process...
532
01:04:30,644 --> 01:04:35,650
will our armed struggle
become obsolete.
533
01:04:35,685 --> 01:04:40,657
Only then will the conflict
between us end.
534
01:04:52,655 --> 01:04:55,783
- How did you sleep?
- Not too bad. You?
535
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,460
Alright, except for terrible
dreams about lawyers.
536
01:04:59,462 --> 01:05:00,793
Oh, yes. That is a nightmare.
537
01:05:02,698 --> 01:05:05,867
So, anyway, Thatcher is in Moscow...
538
01:05:05,902 --> 01:05:07,642
the crowds in Red Square are all
over her, mobbing her...
539
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:10,938
She's getting quite queasy with all
this adulation...
540
01:05:10,973 --> 01:05:14,488
so, she says to her interpreter,
'I'm not a communist, you know? '
541
01:05:15,411 --> 01:05:18,448
And, they shout back,
'Neither are we! '
542
01:05:28,224 --> 01:05:33,002
I came here believing what happened
at Roodeport had derailed everything...
543
01:05:33,562 --> 01:05:35,541
you changed that.
544
01:05:36,399 --> 01:05:40,039
What you said in that room
will go no further.
545
01:05:46,575 --> 01:05:48,930
- Safe home, Willie.
- May I tell you...
546
01:05:52,715 --> 01:05:55,582
how truly sorry
I am about your son.
547
01:06:00,256 --> 01:06:00,927
Thank you.
548
01:06:44,734 --> 01:06:45,655
Thabo?
549
01:07:20,536 --> 01:07:22,094
Come off the road.
550
01:09:37,473 --> 01:09:40,442
There was an incident on the way
from the airport.
551
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:47,278
They were not security agents.
552
01:09:52,721 --> 01:09:55,485
Word is out about your talks.
553
01:09:55,691 --> 01:09:59,206
Some of the militants will
use any tactics to halt them.
554
01:10:00,129 --> 01:10:03,883
For two decades we've said only
force will crush the enemy.
555
01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:06,748
Instead of force,
we now preach talks.
556
01:10:07,903 --> 01:10:10,428
They see that as a betrayal.
557
01:10:10,472 --> 01:10:13,168
And when you pressed him
on the violence issue...
558
01:10:13,175 --> 01:10:17,032
did he admit the ANC high command
now sanction civilian targets?
559
01:10:17,067 --> 01:10:19,594
He made the same point
he has made from the beginning...
560
01:10:19,615 --> 01:10:21,276
cessation of violence...
561
01:10:21,317 --> 01:10:25,651
is contingent on the Government
committing to a democratic process.
562
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:38,087
You told him there can be no question
of that while the violence continues?
563
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:41,137
Tell me, Doctor,
should they agree to...
564
01:10:42,204 --> 01:10:46,288
give up the armed struggle and
negotiate with the government...
565
01:10:46,323 --> 01:10:48,448
what would you give them in return?
566
01:10:48,844 --> 01:10:52,484
You cannot go into negotiation without
bringing something to the table.
567
01:10:52,519 --> 01:10:54,221
Yet you send me in empty handed.
568
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:57,014
Don't be surprised if I come
back empty handed.
569
01:10:57,019 --> 01:10:59,920
You are not empowered
to negotiate, Professor.
570
01:11:02,191 --> 01:11:05,467
You're wrong. Doctor.
Talk is not cheap.
571
01:11:13,902 --> 01:11:15,745
It's all we have left.
572
01:11:41,764 --> 01:11:44,255
Mr Esterhuyse takes the view that...
573
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,666
before formal negotiations
can take place...
574
01:11:46,701 --> 01:11:49,033
concessions, must be made
on both sides.
575
01:11:49,772 --> 01:11:53,540
If we make a gesture by
releasing Mandela...
576
01:11:53,575 --> 01:11:56,783
I said nothing about making
concessions to Mandela's freedom.
577
01:11:56,818 --> 01:11:59,577
This is no longer a matter
of political survival, sir.
578
01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,335
Your policy of buying us time
has created a...
579
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:07,361
a vacuum of uncertainty
that is only fuelling the violence.
580
01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:08,822
You know what I think?
581
01:12:09,391 --> 01:12:14,340
This is about your own survival,
covering your own sorry arse.
582
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:19,034
If you are seen to take
the initiative with the ANC...
583
01:12:20,069 --> 01:12:22,833
history will always acknowledge it was
you who had the statesmanship...
584
01:12:22,838 --> 01:12:27,241
and vision to pull this country back,
from the brink of civil war.
585
01:12:27,276 --> 01:12:29,666
You alone averted that catastrophe.
586
01:12:29,678 --> 01:12:33,159
History might also say I took
my hand off the tiller too soon.
587
01:12:36,585 --> 01:12:40,544
I give way on Mandela's freedom now,
I give away our trump card.
588
01:12:40,889 --> 01:12:42,902
He's a man like any other.
589
01:12:42,925 --> 01:12:44,870
The more he gets of it,
the more he'll want it.
590
01:12:47,096 --> 01:12:48,836
Mandela is the key.
591
01:13:04,947 --> 01:13:07,950
- Where to today?
- A surprise.
592
01:13:46,155 --> 01:13:48,612
Control, confirm
subject arrival.
593
01:13:59,902 --> 01:14:01,597
Everything is alright,
no problems.
594
01:15:02,898 --> 01:15:05,935
I hope you like your
new quarters, Mr Mandela?
595
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:09,546
This is Warrant Officer Swart.
596
01:15:10,472 --> 01:15:12,679
He'll look after you.
Do your cooking and so on.
597
01:15:15,644 --> 01:15:17,965
We've met before, at Robben Island.
598
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:20,425
I used to drive you to the quarry.
599
01:15:20,716 --> 01:15:24,163
I hope you are a better cook
than you were a driver.
600
01:15:27,823 --> 01:15:31,941
Give him the tour.
I'll leave you to settle in.
601
01:15:33,562 --> 01:15:36,656
There's three bedrooms.
This is the largest.
602
01:15:37,432 --> 01:15:40,469
I'm sure you'll find the bed more
comfortable than you're used to.
603
01:16:18,106 --> 01:16:20,939
The departmental conference
is postponed, professor.
604
01:16:24,112 --> 01:16:27,013
We know exactly what's going on
in the UK...
605
01:16:27,015 --> 01:16:29,563
between you and
the ANC thugs professor.
606
01:16:29,618 --> 01:16:34,726
Think carefully before going next time
or learn to sleep with your eyes open.
607
01:17:17,866 --> 01:17:19,970
This is Michael Young.
Please leave a message.
608
01:17:20,002 --> 01:17:21,367
This is Esterhuyse.
609
01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:23,483
I suggest...
610
01:17:24,539 --> 01:17:27,884
that you make a date for
the next meeting as soon as possible.
611
01:17:43,458 --> 01:17:45,562
- I missed you.
- It's nice to see you back.
612
01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:53,726
Marigolds.
Pansies.
613
01:17:55,637 --> 01:17:59,494
This one is in the wrong place.
It needs more light.
614
01:18:00,075 --> 01:18:02,976
You pick a spot.
I'll fetch a shovel.
615
01:19:23,125 --> 01:19:24,422
Mr President?
616
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,969
Mr President, are you alright?
617
01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:30,143
We need an ambulance now.
618
01:19:31,833 --> 01:19:34,996
Hip, hip, hooray!
619
01:19:44,112 --> 01:19:45,773
Bye bye, Tata.
620
01:19:57,559 --> 01:19:59,083
My dear friend.
621
01:19:59,127 --> 01:20:05,680
At best, Botha regarded my gilded cage
as a way to seduce me into submission.
622
01:20:07,269 --> 01:20:12,184
But I have had twenty years
to prepare me for this moment.
623
01:20:14,442 --> 01:20:17,787
Talking to Barnard was
a high risk strategy...
624
01:20:17,822 --> 01:20:19,998
but you can trust in one thing.
625
01:20:20,882 --> 01:20:24,561
That I am not negotiating terms
with the government...
626
01:20:24,596 --> 01:20:28,241
but facilitating the process
for the ANC to do so.
627
01:20:30,592 --> 01:20:36,599
Surely, you and I have come too far
to let them divide us now.
628
01:20:40,202 --> 01:20:42,750
The election of the new
State President F. W. De Klerk...
629
01:20:42,771 --> 01:20:45,228
has sparked a wave
of violence across the country.
630
01:20:46,608 --> 01:20:48,997
And sensitivity about
his commitment to reform...
631
01:20:49,044 --> 01:20:50,784
seems to be fuelling the violence.
632
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,868
Mr De Klerk's position
to the right of the National Party...
633
01:20:53,915 --> 01:20:57,840
have left some observers
to question his appetite for change.
634
01:20:58,954 --> 01:21:02,594
Botha's mistake was his reliance
on his security apparatus...
635
01:21:02,624 --> 01:21:05,900
at the expense of protecting
his power base in Parliament.
636
01:21:06,828 --> 01:21:10,616
I must tell you, that is a mistake
I do not intend to repeat.
637
01:21:13,869 --> 01:21:16,804
My mistake was accommodating his
plan to try and divide Mandela...
638
01:21:16,839 --> 01:21:19,901
from the ANC in a futile attempt
to cling on to power.
639
01:21:20,308 --> 01:21:23,436
My discussions with Mr Mandela have
convinced me that the only way...
640
01:21:23,445 --> 01:21:26,243
of doing that now is to give some
of it away and negotiate.
641
01:21:26,648 --> 01:21:29,196
Before it's taken from us.
642
01:21:30,452 --> 01:21:32,943
You've been detained
long enough, Doctor.
643
01:21:34,456 --> 01:21:36,151
Gentlemen, shall we?
644
01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:46,254
Help us end Apartheid now!
645
01:21:46,768 --> 01:21:49,259
I doubt we're looking at
the Messiah of change.
646
01:21:50,538 --> 01:21:52,722
De Klerk is a life long
apologist for apartheid.
647
01:21:52,757 --> 01:21:54,744
Presumably that's why his party
chose him.
648
01:21:54,776 --> 01:21:58,291
Names for the next meeting.
I've added a new one.
649
01:21:58,613 --> 01:22:01,673
- Mix things up a bit.
- Willem De Klerk?
650
01:22:01,683 --> 01:22:04,686
- Yes, the President's brother.
- How prescient of you.
651
01:22:09,557 --> 01:22:11,297
I'm hoping he's got
his brother's ear.
652
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:14,487
Unlike F.W.,
he's on record condemning apartheid.
653
01:22:14,496 --> 01:22:18,034
What if his brother vetoes his
attendance? Along with Esterhuyse?
654
01:22:18,069 --> 01:22:21,241
Esterhuyse is committed now.
Nothing will keep him away.
655
01:22:21,276 --> 01:22:23,818
Unless his passport is revoked.
656
01:22:36,151 --> 01:22:39,723
This is the Esterhuyse residence.
We're not home right now.
657
01:22:39,758 --> 01:22:41,757
If you leave a message.
We'll call you back.
658
01:22:43,758 --> 01:22:45,737
And you're sure that
he's nowhere in the University?
659
01:22:47,495 --> 01:22:48,996
I've tried him at home.
660
01:22:58,073 --> 01:23:01,486
Thabo. Tony. Aziz.
Good to see you again.
661
01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:06,914
- The others aren't here yet?
- They will be. They will be.
662
01:23:09,384 --> 01:23:11,523
If he contacts you,
or if you see him...
663
01:23:11,553 --> 01:23:14,647
tell him to call Michael Young
as soon as possible.
664
01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:16,567
I'll be waiting by the phone.
665
01:24:01,503 --> 01:24:03,539
Tell him that I can't see him now.
666
01:24:09,911 --> 01:24:12,914
The President will be unable
to see you today after all, Doctor.
667
01:24:13,448 --> 01:24:15,973
His diary secretary will
be in touch, sir.
668
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:55,560
Bloody highway pile-up.
Stuck there for hours.
669
01:24:55,595 --> 01:24:56,240
Gentlemen.
670
01:24:56,624 --> 01:24:58,945
- Michael Young, Mr De Klerk.
- How do you do?
671
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,646
Willem De Klerk, Journalist and
political commentator, Thabo Mbeki.
672
01:25:04,099 --> 01:25:05,760
- Pleased to meet you.
- Pleasure, sir.
673
01:25:07,135 --> 01:25:08,284
Shall we?
674
01:25:15,076 --> 01:25:16,543
You had us worried there.
675
01:25:16,945 --> 01:25:19,402
You don't get rid of me that easily.
676
01:25:48,676 --> 01:25:50,712
My dear friend and comrade.
677
01:25:51,546 --> 01:25:55,664
I cannot tell you my relief
to hear from you at last.
678
01:25:56,518 --> 01:26:00,153
Had you contacted me before,
I could have warned you...
679
01:26:00,188 --> 01:26:04,079
that yours are not the only talks
taking place with the Government.
680
01:26:04,392 --> 01:26:08,146
Your release is high on the agenda
of those discussions.
681
01:26:08,496 --> 01:26:11,974
Given the hard line position
of the new State President...
682
01:26:12,009 --> 01:26:15,453
the future of those talks
must now hang in the balance.
683
01:26:16,538 --> 01:26:20,429
Call it what it is, Willie.
Minority rights, equals white rights.
684
01:26:20,464 --> 01:26:22,035
In other words, you want us to
ensure...
685
01:26:22,076 --> 01:26:24,567
the privileges whites enjoy
are perpetuated.
686
01:26:24,579 --> 01:26:29,562
The idea of group rights is that
no group has dominance over another.
687
01:26:29,597 --> 01:26:30,814
White or black.
688
01:26:31,486 --> 01:26:34,694
Isn't that what your non-racial
credo is all about?
689
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:36,532
But without assurance of that...
690
01:26:36,558 --> 01:26:40,198
the President will never come
to the negotiating table.
691
01:26:41,396 --> 01:26:43,170
Is that not so, Willem?
692
01:26:48,903 --> 01:26:51,667
That's not for me to say, Professor.
693
01:26:56,144 --> 01:26:58,499
De Klerk's brother
doesn't give much away.
694
01:26:58,980 --> 01:27:02,427
He frequently points out he's
not his brother's keeper.
695
01:27:05,086 --> 01:27:07,816
He barely got his feet under
the table, give him time.
696
01:27:07,822 --> 01:27:09,119
Time is the enemy.
697
01:27:09,157 --> 01:27:13,491
Every day he procrastinates,
is one closer to bloody insurrection.
698
01:27:13,526 --> 01:27:14,985
What is Barnard's sense of him?
699
01:27:15,597 --> 01:27:19,863
Barnard's access to the President's
office is not what it used to be.
700
01:27:20,935 --> 01:27:24,314
We must rely on his brother
for that now.
701
01:27:27,242 --> 01:27:31,167
I thought we might discuss your
impressions of the day, Willem?
702
01:27:31,202 --> 01:27:32,919
I've some excellent brandy
in my room.
703
01:27:32,947 --> 01:27:34,471
Another night, perhaps.
704
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:43,948
My dear friend...
705
01:27:44,492 --> 01:27:49,600
our struggle is now at a tipping
point, as is our country.
706
01:27:50,031 --> 01:27:53,341
We must try and convince De Klerk
and his government...
707
01:27:53,368 --> 01:27:55,950
that the whites have nothing
to fear from us.
708
01:27:56,738 --> 01:28:01,474
It is not revenge that governs
us, but reconciliation.
709
01:28:01,509 --> 01:28:06,492
We must use every method open
to us to make him understand...
710
01:28:06,527 --> 01:28:10,235
that unless he acts soon,
we cannot deliver.
711
01:28:10,251 --> 01:28:11,484
What is he waiting for?
712
01:28:11,519 --> 01:28:13,908
How many more weeks,
how many more months until he acts?
713
01:28:13,921 --> 01:28:17,539
And where is he on Mandela? Can he not
see the longer he keeps him in prison...
714
01:28:17,574 --> 01:28:19,744
the more time he is giving
for mob rule to take hold?
715
01:28:19,779 --> 01:28:20,479
Exactly!
716
01:28:20,528 --> 01:28:23,830
I do not have the answers
you're looking for, Mr Mbeki.
717
01:28:23,865 --> 01:28:27,585
My brother is not in the habit of
confiding in me about Government policy.
718
01:28:27,602 --> 01:28:29,615
Or anyone else, it seems.
719
01:28:33,474 --> 01:28:34,179
Yes.
720
01:28:35,143 --> 01:28:37,725
Yes, I understand well.
Are you absolutely sure?
721
01:28:40,515 --> 01:28:42,210
We can't put it like that.
722
01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:49,784
Yes, it's important, but
it's a waste of time.
723
01:29:17,852 --> 01:29:22,186
I apologise. I lost track of...
724
01:29:26,294 --> 01:29:29,388
Shall we start by returning to
the outstanding items from yesterday?
725
01:29:29,397 --> 01:29:31,718
I wonder...
Do you mind, I'm sorry?
726
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,393
On behalf of my brother, I have
some issues for clarification.
727
01:29:37,138 --> 01:29:38,605
If you will bear with me.
728
01:29:43,878 --> 01:29:44,867
One...
729
01:29:46,614 --> 01:29:50,658
when would it be possible for
the ANC to embark on talks...
730
01:29:50,693 --> 01:29:54,703
about how to progress formal
negotiations with the Government?
731
01:29:54,738 --> 01:29:56,020
Two.
732
01:29:56,057 --> 01:30:00,050
What would your preconditions
be to such talks...
733
01:30:01,262 --> 01:30:04,607
and, three... what agenda
would be acceptable to you?
734
01:30:19,247 --> 01:30:22,728
You can... tell the President...
735
01:30:24,552 --> 01:30:29,433
there will be no preconditions
on our side...
736
01:30:30,591 --> 01:30:36,598
and we leave it to him
to determine the agenda.
737
01:30:38,666 --> 01:30:40,327
As for timing...
738
01:30:44,172 --> 01:30:46,185
we are ready when he is.
739
01:31:00,221 --> 01:31:04,624
And your position on the cease
fire of violence?
740
01:31:05,526 --> 01:31:08,939
We would order that all violence
be suspended...
741
01:31:08,974 --> 01:31:10,966
while negotiations take place.
742
01:31:12,533 --> 01:31:15,661
When a new constitution
has been agreed...
743
01:31:16,537 --> 01:31:19,779
we will give the instruction that
the armed struggle...
744
01:31:21,309 --> 01:31:23,413
is to be abandoned.
745
01:32:32,813 --> 01:32:33,802
Oliver.
746
01:32:36,851 --> 01:32:37,863
Thabo.
747
01:32:41,022 --> 01:32:43,786
Would you read this for me, please?
748
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,179
"Although we have been apart
all these years..."
749
01:32:51,866 --> 01:32:55,984
It's as if I've been conducting
a lifelong conversation...
750
01:32:56,019 --> 01:32:57,665
with you in my head.
751
01:33:00,975 --> 01:33:05,890
All I pray now, is that you recover
so, God willing...
752
01:33:05,925 --> 01:33:08,815
we can continue it face to face.
753
01:33:11,619 --> 01:33:13,689
As for my freedom...
754
01:33:14,455 --> 01:33:19,813
it is a secondary matter
until you are strong again.
755
01:33:20,628 --> 01:33:25,509
And, until all those imprisoned
have won theirs.
756
01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:30,404
I must be the last
to gain his liberty.
757
01:33:35,076 --> 01:33:38,591
He wouldn't give a name,
much less take no for an answer.
758
01:33:44,752 --> 01:33:46,083
Esterhuyse.
759
01:33:46,153 --> 01:33:48,735
I suppose the weather's
the usual crap?
760
01:33:50,057 --> 01:33:52,036
Is that what you called to discuss?
761
01:33:55,529 --> 01:33:56,996
What time is it over there?
762
01:33:58,532 --> 01:34:01,945
- Noon.
- Turn on your TV. 2 pm, your time.
763
01:34:17,084 --> 01:34:20,524
Now, as we wait for what's been
billed as an historic address.
764
01:34:20,559 --> 01:34:23,964
Let's reflect on the momentous events
of the past few months.
765
01:34:24,558 --> 01:34:28,164
The tearing down of the Berlin Wall
and the end of the Cold War.
766
01:34:28,529 --> 01:34:31,697
But, South Africa has had many
false dawns.
767
01:34:31,732 --> 01:34:35,884
So many speeches which have promised
so much, yet delivered so little.
768
01:34:37,004 --> 01:34:40,519
Here now is President De Klerk
flanked by his cabinet.
769
01:34:41,976 --> 01:34:44,672
As he makes his way to the podium,
all of South Africa...
770
01:34:44,679 --> 01:34:47,102
and indeed the world,
holds it's breath.
771
01:34:48,249 --> 01:34:53,027
My Government has taken the decision
to immediately and unconditionally...
772
01:34:53,062 --> 01:34:55,602
release Mr Nelson Mandela.
773
01:34:56,924 --> 01:34:59,176
I've also instructed that the
prohibition...
774
01:34:59,193 --> 01:35:02,196
of the African National Congress
the Pan African Congress...
775
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:06,313
and the South African Communist
Party be immediately lifted.
776
01:35:07,301 --> 01:35:09,724
The time has come to negotiate.
777
01:35:10,504 --> 01:35:12,927
The hopes of millions
of South Africans...
778
01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:14,919
will be centred on that process.
779
01:35:15,943 --> 01:35:20,061
We must not falter.
We dare not fail.
780
01:35:21,082 --> 01:35:22,162
Thank you.
781
01:35:26,487 --> 01:35:29,795
We go now to Victor Verster Prison,
where Mr Mandela...
782
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:33,103
the man who's been imprisoned
for nearly three decades...
783
01:35:33,138 --> 01:35:36,643
72 years old, will be
appearing in public...
784
01:35:36,678 --> 01:35:39,180
for the first time, any moment now.
785
01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:42,342
International media perched.
786
01:35:43,637 --> 01:35:45,298
The crowd getting excited.
787
01:35:46,173 --> 01:35:46,958
That's him.
788
01:35:47,975 --> 01:35:52,059
And there is Mister Mandela.
Nelson Mandela. A free man.
789
01:35:52,546 --> 01:35:56,061
Taking his first steps into
a new South Africa.
790
01:36:00,054 --> 01:36:03,182
Mrs Winnie Mandela next to him
waving to the crowds.
791
01:36:03,858 --> 01:36:05,962
And a salute
from Mr Nelson Mandela.
792
01:36:05,993 --> 01:36:10,259
His wife greeting the people who have
been waiting for so long for this day.
793
01:36:14,101 --> 01:36:17,138
This is the man that the world's
been waiting to see.
794
01:36:17,173 --> 01:36:20,551
His first public appearance
in 27 years.
795
01:36:21,509 --> 01:36:25,297
The day for which he too,
has waited so long.
796
01:36:49,904 --> 01:36:51,496
We owe you so much more.
797
01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:55,675
It takes a big man to make
himself invisible.
798
01:36:58,112 --> 01:36:58,931
Thank you.
799
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:02,708
Thank you. Michael.
Thank you.
800
01:37:09,023 --> 01:37:09,910
Stay safe.
801
01:37:12,626 --> 01:37:13,672
And you...
802
01:37:15,763 --> 01:37:17,264
comrade.
803
01:39:19,265 --> 01:39:20,265
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