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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,836 --> 00:00:06,840 So we are here at the historic flight foundation, and we are about to start 2 00:00:06,973 --> 00:00:07,707 setting up to shoot. 3 00:00:07,874 --> 00:00:10,176 But before we do that, I want to take you through a little bit of the process 4 00:00:10,677 --> 00:00:12,45 that happened when we first arrived. 5 00:00:12,746 --> 00:00:16,516 So the first thing that we saw when we came in was we had to position the 6 00:00:16,583 --> 00:00:16,750 planes. 7 00:00:16,983 --> 00:00:18,985 And we have two different setups that we're doing today. 8 00:00:19,219 --> 00:00:23,223 We are doing a setup that involves one plane, which we are doing first, and we 9 00:00:23,223 --> 00:00:26,559 have a setup that involves two planes that we are doing second. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,865 But in order to kind of get ourselves ahead of the game, we actually set up 11 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:35,702 the two plane shot with the orientation of the planes to begin with, because 12 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:40,106 they had to be brought out, kind of taxied along and positioned in place. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,645 And what we had to do while that was happening was I had to help direct, 14 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:49,783 because I was looking through my camera with the lens that I was planning to 15 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:49,949 use. 16 00:00:50,517 --> 00:00:55,555 Because the choice of your lens in a shot like this does actually make a 17 00:00:55,555 --> 00:00:56,756 difference on the composition. 18 00:00:57,557 --> 00:01:01,961 How far things are away from the camera changes based on the focal length. 19 00:01:02,28 --> 00:01:05,298 So a more wide, wide angle lens is going to make something in the 20 00:01:05,298 --> 00:01:08,835 background seem further away, and a longer lens is going to make something 21 00:01:09,69 --> 00:01:11,137 seem closer, again, like the theater chute. 22 00:01:11,304 --> 00:01:12,272 I'm using a relatively 23 00:01:13,773 --> 00:01:15,642 medium length, focal length lens. 24 00:01:16,176 --> 00:01:19,646 I'm using a ninety, which is a little bit closer to a seventy mill lens. 25 00:01:19,779 --> 00:01:23,950 Or if you're on a full frame, something like an 85 is probably going to be a 26 00:01:24,17 --> 00:01:25,485 very similar look and feel. 27 00:01:26,19 --> 00:01:29,689 And the reason I did that for this first shot is because it gives me a 28 00:01:29,689 --> 00:01:31,324 better sense of compression to the background. 29 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:34,427 And I didn't necessarily like the 30 00:01:35,795 --> 00:01:39,399 smaller plane that I got from the 55 mill lens. 31 00:01:39,866 --> 00:01:44,971 So what I ended up doing was using a 90 and making the background seem a little 32 00:01:44,971 --> 00:01:45,305 bit larger. 33 00:01:45,472 --> 00:01:46,606 The plane seemed a little bit larger. 34 00:01:46,973 --> 00:01:49,943 And another great benefit of it is it's going to make the background a little 35 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:50,677 bit more out of focus. 36 00:01:50,977 --> 00:01:52,679 And it allows me to go down to a 28. 37 00:01:53,79 --> 00:01:56,316 In this particular instance, again, helping with that depth of field. 38 00:01:57,150 --> 00:01:59,619 The weather today is a little bit hazy. 39 00:01:59,853 --> 00:02:02,522 We were anticipating a very sunny day. 40 00:02:02,589 --> 00:02:04,991 We kind of have something that's relatively close to sunny. 41 00:02:05,692 --> 00:02:09,763 And we came out, and I wanted to check with the direction of the light. 42 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:12,265 Again, this helps with how we position the planes. 43 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,935 And so what I use for that is an app called sun seeker. 44 00:02:16,336 --> 00:02:19,706 And it allows me to do like an augmented view of the scene. 45 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:25,311 And so I can hold it up, and I can actually plan to see where the light is 46 00:02:25,378 --> 00:02:26,846 going to be throughout the day. 47 00:02:26,913 --> 00:02:31,951 And for us, it's going to be arcing in the sky, over on this side. 48 00:02:32,118 --> 00:02:37,57 So it's kind of like our right side, and a little bit behind version of this 49 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:38,525 shot, which is what we're doing first. 50 00:02:38,758 --> 00:02:41,761 And then by the time we get to the secondary shot, it'll almost be frontal. 51 00:02:42,662 --> 00:02:43,663 And that was just kind of, 52 00:02:44,30 --> 00:02:45,865 we needed to plan where things were going to go. 53 00:02:45,865 --> 00:02:47,967 We're also working in a relatively confined space. 54 00:02:48,34 --> 00:02:49,769 We are shooting at the end of an active 55 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:55,475 runway, and so we have to be kind of careful, since we are, we are in that 56 00:02:55,475 --> 00:03:00,13 space, that we are very safe and precautious, and we are 57 00:03:01,147 --> 00:03:01,715 taking all the necessary 58 00:03:02,816 --> 00:03:05,118 precautions to make sure that 59 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:06,286 everything is good. 60 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:08,488 So for this, 61 00:03:09,55 --> 00:03:11,624 with that weather I knew, coming into it, we're going to have a little bit of 62 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:12,258 a sunny day. 63 00:03:13,59 --> 00:03:15,195 So with the inspiration image, it's a very 64 00:03:15,395 --> 00:03:16,96 cloudy day. 65 00:03:16,262 --> 00:03:22,268 So even though here in Seattle we also are likely to have that kind of 66 00:03:22,268 --> 00:03:23,536 weather, today is not one of those days. 67 00:03:23,636 --> 00:03:24,637 Today we have a sunny day. 68 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:28,842 But what we're going to do is turn it into something like a cloudy day by 69 00:03:28,908 --> 00:03:30,977 using some scrims and overpowering daylight. 70 00:03:31,378 --> 00:03:33,279 So we are still going to try to create that effect 71 00:03:34,14 --> 00:03:34,514 based on 72 00:03:35,548 --> 00:03:36,750 the tools that we have. 73 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:40,353 And I think this is an important thing to remember, we are on a sunny day, but 74 00:03:40,353 --> 00:03:42,255 it doesn't necessarily have to look that day 75 00:03:42,655 --> 00:03:43,857 if you can modify it. 76 00:03:43,857 --> 00:03:44,958 And so my approach 77 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:48,661 for a daylight today is to kind of work around the sun. 78 00:03:48,828 --> 00:03:52,632 And how do I manipulate the thing I cannot control, and that is the sun. 79 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,437 And so that's kind of my approach to motivating the light of the scene. 80 00:03:59,72 --> 00:03:59,839 The sun is 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,141 coming from here. 82 00:04:01,374 --> 00:04:03,510 How do we diffuse it on the subjects? 83 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:04,744 How do we soften it up? 84 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:06,346 How do we make it look like a cloudy day? 85 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,949 And for that, we're going to be using the scrims and some lights to overpower 86 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:10,417 daylight. 87 00:04:10,650 --> 00:04:14,120 We're going to be keeping the direction relatively similar to that light. 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,823 Overall, I don't want to compete with the daylight. 89 00:04:17,223 --> 00:04:20,760 I want to create a slightly more modified version of an augmented 90 00:04:21,161 --> 00:04:22,228 version of reality. 91 00:04:22,996 --> 00:04:27,567 This is because if I let's, say, put a light way over on the left hand side. 92 00:04:27,701 --> 00:04:28,835 When the sun is to the right. 93 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:29,936 It looks artificial, 94 00:04:30,337 --> 00:04:32,272 and that's not necessarily a bad thing every time. 95 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:35,475 But in this particular case, we're trying to make something that looks 96 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:37,711 natural, and so we don't want to fight with the light. 97 00:04:37,711 --> 00:04:38,345 That's already there, 98 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,114 So 99 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:45,719 what we're going to do is just revisit this list that you saw me talk about 100 00:04:45,852 --> 00:04:48,421 last time, which is what I do when I approach the scene. 101 00:04:49,222 --> 00:04:49,956 And so obviously 102 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:53,626 I come in, I check the practicals, I check the environmentals, 103 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:56,162 what does the 104 00:04:56,596 --> 00:04:57,464 space look like? 105 00:04:57,630 --> 00:04:58,365 What can I do? 106 00:04:58,665 --> 00:05:01,1 What is it going to look like over the course of the day? 107 00:05:02,168 --> 00:05:03,937 How can I modify what's there? 108 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:06,72 What can be changed, what can't be? 109 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:07,841 And so that's usually the first thing. 110 00:05:08,274 --> 00:05:11,144 Then I get out a camera and I start looking at the frame. 111 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:12,178 In this particular case, 112 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:15,782 I was using a ninety millimeter lens, and f 2.8 113 00:05:16,583 --> 00:05:17,384 that's a medium format. 114 00:05:17,617 --> 00:05:19,52 So on a full frame it's about a 7072 115 00:05:20,353 --> 00:05:20,520 millimeter. 116 00:05:21,221 --> 00:05:24,891 I would probably say, if I were shooting this on a full frame, I'd go, 8585, 117 00:05:26,259 --> 00:05:29,696 would give me almost the same kind of look and feel to the image, but 118 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:31,64 actually also give me an extra 119 00:05:32,198 --> 00:05:34,100 extra bit of fstop underneath that. 120 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:37,137 So I could open it up to as much of, maybe like a 1.2, 121 00:05:37,537 --> 00:05:39,39 if I were using an f 12. 122 00:05:39,205 --> 00:05:39,673 So 123 00:05:40,40 --> 00:05:42,842 that's probably what I would use to translate that shot. 124 00:05:43,76 --> 00:05:44,10 On a full frame. 125 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:49,382 I'm going to adjust color temperature, figure out what I want this data look 126 00:05:49,449 --> 00:05:52,952 like on a regular cloudy day, it's kind of a bluish gray. 127 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:58,558 So I was probably looking to use a slightly cooler color temperature. 128 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:01,227 And then I start looking at contrast, 129 00:06:02,662 --> 00:06:04,97 color and tonal contrast. 130 00:06:04,731 --> 00:06:06,332 How was my subject framed in the shot? 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,468 How is the 132 00:06:08,968 --> 00:06:10,270 shadows on the face looking? 133 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:11,938 Is it too bright, too dark? 134 00:06:12,739 --> 00:06:13,940 What does the scene look like? 135 00:06:14,40 --> 00:06:16,9 Are there any colors that are jumping out, 136 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:18,878 should there be so forth and so on. 137 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:19,846 So 138 00:06:20,814 --> 00:06:23,983 before we actually start talking about setting 139 00:06:24,984 --> 00:06:29,789 anything up in terms of gear, maybe we'll see if anyone has some questions 140 00:06:30,23 --> 00:06:32,158 about this particular step. 141 00:06:33,59 --> 00:06:36,896 We did have a question about, in case it's windy or rainy, when shooting on 142 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:39,399 locations, do you have any kind of protection to protect this subject? 143 00:06:39,799 --> 00:06:40,633 Like, how do you 144 00:06:41,301 --> 00:06:41,935 certainly in Seattle 145 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:44,37 summer now? 146 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:45,772 But so 147 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:48,308 when it's windy, 148 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:51,644 there's not really a whole lot you can do. 149 00:06:51,778 --> 00:06:55,949 It depends how windy does I wouldn't really use huge scrims on a really 150 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:57,617 windy day, they are. 151 00:06:57,717 --> 00:06:58,718 It's bad advice. 152 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:02,255 It was, as there was a slight breeze with a few little, like, 153 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:04,624 slightly more than soft 154 00:07:05,291 --> 00:07:06,359 gusts through the day. 155 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:09,696 And it makes me real nervous when I'm outside, when I'm shooting with this 156 00:07:09,696 --> 00:07:12,832 stuff, and it's heavily anchored down with sandbags. 157 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:13,867 But even still, 158 00:07:15,301 --> 00:07:17,270 it becomes a sale with long enough, 159 00:07:18,571 --> 00:07:19,305 strong enough wind. 160 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:24,344 I've worked with ones that were doubled the size, that we're 1212 by 12 and 161 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:24,944 stuff like that. 162 00:07:25,545 --> 00:07:28,648 And I've been with them as they catch wind. 163 00:07:29,149 --> 00:07:31,484 And you can't do anything, you can't catch it. 164 00:07:31,618 --> 00:07:32,986 You just have to get out of the way. 165 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:34,20 And you hope that, 166 00:07:35,55 --> 00:07:38,591 fortunately, no one was around, because we don't set it up with talent near it, 167 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:40,827 but it was in the middle of a big open field. 168 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:42,896 But, I mean, it just catches wind and it goes. 169 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,666 So one of the things that's especially helpful is to 170 00:07:47,934 --> 00:07:53,239 use it at much more of a flat angle, if you can, that's going to be less 171 00:07:53,239 --> 00:07:54,341 susceptible to catching wind 172 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,877 when you start getting it like this, or this is when it catches, 173 00:07:59,379 --> 00:08:01,114 otherwise, it just kind of flows past it. 174 00:08:01,381 --> 00:08:03,983 And so that's really helpful when you're using scrims 175 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:05,285 as far as rain. 176 00:08:06,586 --> 00:08:09,456 I mean, I wouldn't be outside with all the gear in the rain. 177 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:10,223 So 178 00:08:11,24 --> 00:08:11,391 you, 179 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:14,894 I would be inside, hopefully before that happens. 180 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:17,130 We've been on sets 181 00:08:17,797 --> 00:08:21,234 recently where there was a rain issue, and you're waiting until the last 182 00:08:21,301 --> 00:08:21,468 minute. 183 00:08:21,701 --> 00:08:24,838 And then everyone grabs stuff and runs in when you can. 184 00:08:25,305 --> 00:08:28,341 So you can obviously protect people with an umbrella, but you can't really 185 00:08:28,408 --> 00:08:29,75 protect the gear. 186 00:08:29,542 --> 00:08:32,112 So you can sometimes search tarps and stuff over it. 187 00:08:32,178 --> 00:08:35,215 But generally, man, you just want to, you want to get that stuff 188 00:08:35,715 --> 00:08:37,484 out of the weather conditions before you can. 189 00:08:37,617 --> 00:08:41,321 So with call sheets and everything else, if I'm shooting outside, I am 190 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:43,289 constantly constantly, constantly checking weather 191 00:08:44,891 --> 00:08:46,826 it's always a huge consideration for me. 192 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:50,830 You always want to be safe with that if you can, and avoid problems for 193 00:08:50,830 --> 00:08:50,997 yourself. 194 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:57,137 I've seen producers on call sheets, they put the weather, the weather for 195 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:58,338 tomorrow is going to look like this. 196 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:02,742 Know that if you are expecting whether at seven pm, you should probably try to 197 00:09:02,742 --> 00:09:05,311 be wrapped by six, or whatever the case may be, 198 00:09:06,513 --> 00:09:06,880 or, 199 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:08,748 hey, it's going to rain in the afternoon. 200 00:09:09,49 --> 00:09:10,116 Great for the afternoon shots. 201 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:11,518 We're going to make sure we're inside, 202 00:09:12,118 --> 00:09:15,155 we're doing the inside stuff so you can plan your day around what the weather 203 00:09:15,288 --> 00:09:17,857 is supposed to be like, and it'll make your life a lot easier. 204 00:09:18,258 --> 00:09:20,994 Versus being like, oh man, I needed to get this shot at this particular time, 205 00:09:20,994 --> 00:09:21,795 and I don't have a backup. 206 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:22,762 And then what? 207 00:09:23,63 --> 00:09:25,932 So you always got to prepare for these different things? 208 00:09:28,468 --> 00:09:28,968 Good, 209 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:29,936 yeah, it's too. 210 00:09:29,936 --> 00:09:31,805 Well more, could you talk about them? 211 00:09:31,871 --> 00:09:35,75 Could you talk about the model release, and also how you bring your team 212 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:37,944 together, makeup, artists, hairdressers, especially if they 213 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:39,813 haven't worked together before. 214 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:43,616 And then what social media or classifies to you? 215 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:45,552 Like, how do you find those people? 216 00:09:45,618 --> 00:09:47,687 I guess, the model release. 217 00:09:47,987 --> 00:09:48,121 So 218 00:09:49,222 --> 00:09:51,191 that will depend upon 219 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:57,97 the usage of the images, if it is just for my personal use, 220 00:09:57,630 --> 00:10:00,333 and I'm not ever going to be using it in any commercial capacity. 221 00:10:01,468 --> 00:10:03,503 You can sometimes get away with 222 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:05,438 kind of 223 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:10,176 good faith model release, but when you start using it for commercial purposes, 224 00:10:10,410 --> 00:10:11,511 you can run to some issues. 225 00:10:12,12 --> 00:10:16,116 So in the instance of stuff like this, because it's going out to 226 00:10:17,317 --> 00:10:18,885 everyone, I mean, you have to 227 00:10:19,552 --> 00:10:23,456 do your eyes and cross your teeth to make sure your releases are covered. 228 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:25,158 It's always helpful if you can get it. 229 00:10:25,158 --> 00:10:25,291 The downside, 230 00:10:26,359 --> 00:10:29,162 especially in a place like New York, is you're really not going to get people 231 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:29,963 to work for free. 232 00:10:30,263 --> 00:10:31,231 Usually to sign a release, 233 00:10:32,599 --> 00:10:33,566 where I am, at least. 234 00:10:33,933 --> 00:10:34,100 And so 235 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:37,904 we have to either pay people, or 236 00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:40,340 that's usually the solution. 237 00:10:40,507 --> 00:10:43,777 This is, you pay someone to use it for full release stuff. 238 00:10:44,177 --> 00:10:44,644 So 239 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:46,112 that's definitely a consideration. 240 00:10:46,746 --> 00:10:50,550 It depends upon where the images are going and what they're being used for, 241 00:10:51,618 --> 00:10:54,354 as far as getting everyone on the same page. 242 00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:55,789 Mood boards, or how I do, it's 243 00:10:57,691 --> 00:11:01,795 a makeup art, as I worked with a while ago, was one of my favorite things that 244 00:11:01,861 --> 00:11:04,497 any crew member has ever done, but in terms of preparation. 245 00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:09,636 But she actually printed out pages and pages of mood images, things that she 246 00:11:09,636 --> 00:11:09,869 had done, 247 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:15,175 directions that she wanted to go, even just pieces of little 248 00:11:15,775 --> 00:11:18,345 attachments and stuff that she had, and it was all just categorized 249 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:23,950 on these pieces of paper that was kept in a plastic sleeve, on a binder and 250 00:11:24,17 --> 00:11:27,454 brings it in for the whole crew and sets it down, and so that everyone can 251 00:11:27,454 --> 00:11:28,655 get on the same page visually. 252 00:11:29,55 --> 00:11:32,125 So I also liked that, like you could do that with mood images, print out your 253 00:11:32,258 --> 00:11:35,61 Pinterest board, put it in some sleeves, leave it on the table. 254 00:11:35,462 --> 00:11:38,498 Everyone can look through it, get constant reminders and refreshers about 255 00:11:38,498 --> 00:11:39,199 what's happening 256 00:11:40,33 --> 00:11:41,301 for this particular shoot. 257 00:11:41,534 --> 00:11:43,837 We had drawings of 258 00:11:44,571 --> 00:11:44,904 the sketch. 259 00:11:45,138 --> 00:11:47,474 We had the sketches printed out that we could show people, this is what we're 260 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:47,874 going for. 261 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,275 This is what this needs to look like. 262 00:11:49,609 --> 00:11:50,276 That was very helpful. 263 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:52,278 It's all about communication. 264 00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:54,247 People 265 00:11:54,581 --> 00:11:56,349 can't come into this kind of stuff blind. 266 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:58,251 They have to have a really good idea about what they're doing. 267 00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:01,488 So you see the mood images beforehand, you talk them through it, you explain 268 00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:03,223 to them what the image needs to look like. 269 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:05,225 It's just really about having that conversation 270 00:12:06,659 --> 00:12:10,997 way ahead of time and making the subjects aware of what this all needs 271 00:12:11,64 --> 00:12:11,664 to look like. 272 00:12:12,832 --> 00:12:14,34 And then with social media, 273 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:16,970 sort of like, how do you 274 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:20,840 do work regularly with the same makeup artists and stylists? 275 00:12:21,374 --> 00:12:21,608 And 276 00:12:22,108 --> 00:12:25,311 how do you get people when everybody just walks and nobody knows each other? 277 00:12:25,311 --> 00:12:27,781 How do you get, because you're going to be working and show you need it to work 278 00:12:27,781 --> 00:12:27,947 smooth? 279 00:12:28,181 --> 00:12:28,815 How do you get them? 280 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:33,620 I do like to try to reuse the same team members. 281 00:12:33,853 --> 00:12:38,124 If I find people that I like and stick with them, hey, they know how I work. 282 00:12:38,425 --> 00:12:39,292 I know that they're dependable. 283 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,997 I know they can execute whatever the goal is pretty well. 284 00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:46,99 Sometimes they're not available. 285 00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:47,801 So it's helpful to have a couple of backups. 286 00:12:48,902 --> 00:12:52,672 But yeah, no, I regularly keep the same people for that reason. 287 00:12:52,906 --> 00:12:55,608 Once I test someone out, find them, i'll find someone I like. 288 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:57,143 I just use them over and over again. 289 00:12:57,377 --> 00:12:57,944 Same with assistants. 290 00:12:58,278 --> 00:13:01,715 I like to use the same assistance over and over again, because the more you 291 00:13:01,715 --> 00:13:05,552 use them, the quicker they are going to be for you, because they know how you 292 00:13:05,552 --> 00:13:07,187 work and where things aren't, stuff like that. 293 00:13:08,21 --> 00:13:09,456 And yeah, 294 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:14,94 you regularly test new people, but, yeah, 295 00:13:16,329 --> 00:13:16,763 same people. 296 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