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So let's take a look at the mood board.
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So once I've got my concepts in place,
once I've got my drawings, drawings
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sticking around, I go to Pinterest, and
I start pulling images together.
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This is the same
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idea you saw me address yesterday.
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This is just a very different set of
images.
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And so the idea of showing you this is
to show you what my headspace was like,
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what kind of colors I was looking for,
what kind of framing I was looking for,
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general look and feel to the images.
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And so this is what I was pulling from.
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It was a combination of historical
photographs,
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a few things that are modern, that were
people doing recreations and photographing,
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which helped me source costumes.
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And then also, like those illustrations
and stuff.
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There's also a still down there from, I
think it was
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an old Spielberg.
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It's, like, amazing stories, or
something like that.
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Remember them with the cartoon wheels?
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I don't know, these amazing stories,
but that one, that was the one that was
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going through my head when I was making
it.
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So that was definitely kind of in the
back of my mind.
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So this was generally the look and feel
that I was going for, and where I would pull
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source,
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source material and inspiration from.
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So then, because of the location, we
send someone out.
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We sent a couple of people out to do to
do some location scouting.
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And they get out there and take a lot
of pictures of planes.
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The collection is available online, but
don't necessarily always get a really
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thorough understanding
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of what they have available and what
can be done, how things work in the
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space, what the outside space looks
like,
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the places in which you are going to
shoot, because I wasn't planning to
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shoot inside, and you need to see what
the outside looked like.
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All of these things also allowed us to
pick the planes.
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And so we went with both of these.
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On a left, they call grumpy.
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It has a
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seven door
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character on the side of it.
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And this is an old classic spitfire.
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The spit fire is actually the plane
that is in the background of the
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original photograph.
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And that was why I chose that one.
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Ok,
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so take a look some of the wardrobe.
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This is just a couple examples of what
we went with.
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Some of this was
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relatively.
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Some of it could be a little bit more
modern.
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You can get away with it.
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Like the flight suits.
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They really have.
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It changed too much, especially when
you're just looking at something that's
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underneath a jacket, same with the
barber.
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We went with just a generic vest.
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You could find that in any old normal
store, nothing dressed, dress shirt,
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vest, very simple.
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Knot of the period.
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The sub that was a little bit more
difficult to find, or stuff like the
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jackets getting the same jacket,
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the different kinds of hats, different
kinds of boots, all of these different
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things.
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And so one of the places that we pulled
from was a vintage costume shop here in
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Seattle, which I've used many times
before, and they're really terrific,
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called vintage costumers.
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You can also find this stuff, if you
have enough lead time online.
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You can go into,
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sometimes, costume mental shops, well,
will allow you to pull it off.
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But sometimes you really need to pull
vintage stores, thrift stores, things
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like that.
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EBay is another great resource.
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I find that when you are working in
period pieces,
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costumes,
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a lot of times can look really
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costumy.
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And that's generally what I try to
avoid.
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And so I'm a big fan of pulling from as
many different sources as you can to
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layer different elements.
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And that's what's going to make your
costumes appear a bit more
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believable.
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So that's where a lot of these things
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are taken from and from, you know,
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different people's adding.
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I found stuff for, like, I needed an
old boxer.
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And I went to vintage costumers, and I
got the gloves from them.
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And I got shorts from another costume
shop.
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And then I got the boxing hat from
eBay, right?
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And so the whole thing costs 100
dollars or so, but,
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you know,
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you get something that looks a lot
better.
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So
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that was the direction of the wardrobe.
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Then we get to hair and make up with
the guys.
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I was looking for
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two characters, one who had kind of a
little bit of a fade in the hair,
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because I wanted him to match the
barber a little bit.
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And so fortunately, that's
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very, stylistically popular with young
men right now.
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And so that made it pretty easy to come
by with the other gentlemen.
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I was looking for someone who was in
that blonde, strawberry blonde,
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kind of a kind of a look.
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And fortunately we found one as well,
and we happened to catch him in the
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summer, where he didn't have much of a
beard, and so we got them to trim it
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down and
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made it work for the photograph.
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And so that was what I was going for
obviously, we don't need extensive hair
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and makeup.
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But we slicked the barber's hair down a
little bit, and the other one was kind
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of meant to be a little bit long and
messy.
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And I wanted it to catch wind.
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Because I love that little detail about
this photograph is that the wind
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catches and blows some things around,
and you have a little bit of movement.
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You have it in the cape, you have it in
the hair.
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And so I was looking for a subject that
had a little bit longer hair
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on.
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The guy sitting down.
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It's get to props.
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Dressing out.
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This scene with props was one of the
trickier parts of this whole process.
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We actually, we found the guys pretty
quickly.
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They all signed up on board.
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We had the location down.
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The props and the costumes were
probably the trickiest part of this
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particular shoot.
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And when I was looking at the original
photograph, I knew that I'd need a
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series of things.
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And so the barber obviously needs,
like, a pair of scissors and a comb.
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That was pretty easy.
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Woodchair that's pretty easy
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pipe,
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relatively easy to come by.
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The book was a little bit tricky.
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Several editions of it.
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I was really hoping to find the same
edition, which was a little bit
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difficult.
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I did, I found it, but a lot of them
are over in England, because that's
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where it was printed.
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And so it was a little, I think there
was one in the us.
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And I had it shipped in.
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I mean, it wasn't too expensive.
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I think it probably cost me 25 or
thirty dollars for the book, like
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priority shipped.
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it was worth it for me to have that
little detail, because I really
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appreciated that little element.
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So that was what the book was.
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The cape was just a piece of fabric.
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And I sent a bunch of different sample
fabrics.
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And I said, anything that looks like
this,
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go to the fabric store and find me
something that we can just wrap around
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them.
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It didn't have to be a barber's cape or
anything like that.
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And so that was relatively
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simple to use.
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The tools with the wrap was a little
bit tricky finding a wrap that was in a
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similar color.
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The tools are kind of mix and match.
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You have the brush, you have like a
straight razor, a few different things
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we kind of just found in a vintage
shop.
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And we can lay on top, which you'll see
a little bit in the frame.
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The yellow wrap, what we ended up using
was a
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life vest,
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which I was originally looking for
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for the pilots to wear on the outside
of their coat.
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Because when you look at a lot of the
images of the time, they would
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regularly wear the bright vests over
top.
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And
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it was
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near impossible to find that,
especially because I was really trying
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to stay as true to the raf as I could.
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And so it's really difficult to find
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royal, British, royal air force stuff
in Seattle from World War ii, believe
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it or not.
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So we couldn't quite get into that over
here.
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The closest we got was the navy one.
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And because it just didn't look the
same to me, I ended up incorporating it
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as the rap.
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And I think it worked really well,
because we kind of hit it a little bit
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lastly.
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We needed a fan.
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I wanted to make sure that I would have
some wind going.
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And so we bring the fan out, or a
blower.
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In this particular case, we actually
found that on the day we were getting
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some nice breezes.
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But it was just a matter of preparing,
just in case, because I was
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anticipating a sunny day.
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We got the fan out here,
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and I can make the wind move if I need
to
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so those were kind of my considerations
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for the props.
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When we get to our actors, and this is
what they looked like.
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I felt like we got em relatively close.
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We've got kind of the blondish, red,
reddish blondish hair, and then we have
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the high fade.
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And so that was what I was looking for.
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I wanted similar haircuts, but I was
also cool with them looking a little bit
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just more
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modelly, more traditionally
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modern, modern handsome.
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I guess not that nothing of the other
guys weren't.
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It was just a different time period.
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And so we went for a little bit more of
a stylized version of the image.
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This guy also had some tattoos down one
of the arm, which I didn't necessarily
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mind.
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I thought it was a little bit
anachronistic,
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and it was just kind of a cool little
detail that I think tweaks the image in
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a little bit of a fun way.
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So it doesn't really give you as
definitive of a sense of time to the
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image as the original wooden.
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So I thought that was pretty cool.
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All right.
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So let's talk about the lighting.
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Now, if you remember, and
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you remember from the theater shoot,
that one was really complicated.
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That was many, many lights and we had
to light an entire scene.
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But the benefit of being outside
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is that
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the scene is lit for you.
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And so all you really have to do is
control the light on your subject.
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And so this one is a little bit simpler.
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And so what we've used
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for this is one head.
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I used one pro photo d 1000 wat head
that's the only light that I used.
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The reason I used the note for 1000
Watt, over the 500 Watts that I
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traditionally would, because I was
putting it through an octabox
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and I was overpowering daylight.
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And so I wanted that extra stop of
power from the 500 to 1000.
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So basically, when I'm working outside
in these kinds of environments, I'm
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looking for more power,
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like whatever I can.
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I can always dial it back, but I want
to have it if I possibly can.
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I had, originally, just in case,
brought two of these heads, because I
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could always stack them together, put
them side by side, gives me an extra
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stop of light.
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At full power.
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I ended up only using and needing one,
but I did bring it just in case.
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Now, to go along with that, I know I
said we only used one light, but I did
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modify the light that was there.
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I modified the daylight and I used 26
by six scrim gyms with a full stop diffusion.
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These are side by side, just to make
the diffusion
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really large.
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You could have also gotten away with a
much larger scrim.
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You could have also,
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in all fairness, probably done it with
one.
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But the two allowed me just a bit more
comfortability in the way I was moving
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around, and it allowed me to blend the
scene a little bit better in post.
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And so yeah, I could have done it with
one.
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And you're going to see some issues
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when the modification of the light
using this crim is a little bit more
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narrow in the second set of images,
because I needed the height on.
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It definitely makes a difference, and
it makes the post production a little
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bit more challenging.
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But that was what I use for this.
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And the modifier, like I said, that I
used on the pro photo d one, was the
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five foot octabox.
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So
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if,
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and i'll talk about this a little bit
later, but
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if I happen to have a cloudy day, I
don't need the scribs.
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I just happened to have a sunny day,
and I wanted to make it look cloudy.
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But know that the clouds are built in
scrims, so you can always keep that
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kind of a thing in mind when you want
to minimize gear.
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The, you know, if you really strip this
down, it's just
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a light with a soft box, is what's
creating this effect.
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Ok?
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So we're going to take a look at the
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inspiration image, the sketch,
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one more time
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before we actually
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break into
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what the walk through of this is going
to look like on video.
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Maybe we'll see if we can field some
questions about the inspiration mood
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board stuff.
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How much time you spend on interest?
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Doesn't it when you're making a moon?
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Where do you do it anyone sitting, or
do you come back to it?
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I do it in chunks.
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I do my interesting in chunks.
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So
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i'll maybe spend it's
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pretty conducive to how you want to
find stuff.
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So maybe i'll spend half an hour to an
hour putting some stuff together once,
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if I ever have to come back and add to
it later on.
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Because it'll also automatically
generate
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close images for you, which I find is
really helpful.
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And so it kind of almost ferments your
board a little bit.
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You leave it up for a bit, and then you
come back and like, oh, there's
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something new I can add to it.
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And so the longer you lead out on this
material, kind of the better, the
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better you are
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with making it happen in half an hour
hour, and then occasionally poke back
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in and spend a few minutes, but
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not a huge amount of time,
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since you are the art director and
there is no client at the end.
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Correct?
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Yes.
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And are you going to recreate or be
inspired by?
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To what degree do those
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those compromises or other decisions
come in?
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Is that, as you're sourcing things and
you realize, oh, I don't have this
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exact duplica, I guess I'm going to be
inspired by, yeah, how does that process?
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I generally aim for,
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I generally aim for really trying to
nail the authenticity as best as I can.
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First,
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I inevitably have to make compromises.
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That's generally how it goes.
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But I always push for the
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top stuff first.
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And so if things happen that I have to
make concessions for, then I will.
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In this particular example, I really
wanted to make the recreation
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as close as I could.
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That was the whole thing.
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I was kind of on this coubrick kubric
kick, and with Barry Lyndon, he was
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going through and almost nailing
certain paintings
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in berry Lyndon pretty
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almost exacting.
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And so I was kind of going for that
here.
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I just wanted to create a much wider
scene of it.
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And basically,
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if
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it were, if I were there in that space,
what were maybe some variations on that
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image?
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Like, what would those might have
looked like?
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That was kind of what I was going for.
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So I wanted to make it look really
close.
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So that, like, if you've seen the image
before and you're familiar with the
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image, you undoubtedly are like, oh,
that's doing that image it's very much
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on purpose.
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I'm not saying, hey, this was a
completely
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original my idea, like, this is what I
came.
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But it's not, it's absolutely me trying
to recreate this photograph.
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And I try to
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be very exacting so that it appears
that way.
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Whereas on the other image, it's a
little bit more of a Hodge podge of a
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few different things, and so that's not
as close to anything.
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It gives me a little bit more leniency.
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It's different approaches.
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And sometimes I'm looking to be a
little bit more true to the original,
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and then sometimes I'm looking
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to just be very loose with it.
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And I think the second one is a little
bit more on the loose side but I wanted
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to make it feel
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visually and stylistically, very
similar to the first set.
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And so the second one, although it's
inspired by something that looks very
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different, it's meant to look more
visually similar
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to this one.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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So
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obviously you're well into your career
at this point.
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You've got probably more flexibility
than a lot of us.
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But could you see doing a shoot like
this,
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just as your own personal work,
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as opposed to something that was
commissioned?
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Like you go out and say, hey, I want to
do this and gotten
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do?
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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there were other other places that I
was looking at that we didn't get into
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creativelive, that were out here, that
were just cool locations.
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I ultimately didn't have time to do it.
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But yeah, no, I love
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being.
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You can definitely do personal projects
that have a bit of scope to it.
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Obviously, I wouldn't say I necessarily
need to go out and spend 5000 dollars
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putting together a singular image.
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But
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if an image costs me
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a few hundred dollars, 500000
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dollars, whatever it is, and it becomes
a showcase piece for me,
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then I can use it as it's promotion
material.
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And so
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you don't have to, like, you can call
in favors.
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I've got shots that
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look very heavily produced.
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And it was me calling in favors across
the board for every spectrum of it.
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And I think by the time it was all said
and done, I was at the cost of lunch
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and a few other miscellaneous things.
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And you can achieve this kind of stuff
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if you
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put in the leg work to do it.
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Just
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paying for it tends to make things.
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It greases the wheels, greases the
gears a lot a lot easier.
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When you are
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doing it for favors, you have to work
with time and around people's time, and
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be a little bit more patient with
certain things.
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So,
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I mean,
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other than the
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access of this particular
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airfood, which everyone has different
levels of access, and you can call on
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things and get permission for things
across war, like the vintage, the
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vintage.
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The vintage train museum is one of
those examples.
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They do engagement shoots there.
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I mean, everything that was actually in
this image, I would have no problem
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funding myself
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in terms of the cost of what that
image.
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I mean,
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if I'm not paying for models because
I'm doing it for a trade, and commonly,
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when I'm doing personal work.
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I will shoot some stuff for you.
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If you do this for me, and we'll get,
like, some cleaner, simple,
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whatever images you need for yourself.
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And so it becomes a trait, that becomes
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the way you can call in that favor.
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And then sometimes you have
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makeup artists, hairstylus that you
work with that are friends of yours.
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And they'll come in and do it just
because it's a fun, cool image, just to
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do something fun and cool and creative.
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And so that takes care a lot of that.
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I would go, ok, I borrow this chair
from somebody.
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The fabric is raw material that costs a
few dollars.
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I buy the book.
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Ok, you go buy a few other
miscellaneous props.
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This image, other than the access to
the location,
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wouldn't really cost me that much
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in the grand scheme of things.
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So once you can figure out
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kind of
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the key humps
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you need to get over, yeah, this stuff
is a whole lot more attainable then I
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think people may assume it is
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it's just generally, you've got to get
out and ask, you got to talk to people.
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And I find that emails are rarely,
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emails are not always the most
successful tools of communication.
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It's the phone that you have to just
call up people and talk to them and
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go visit as another one.
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And people are more likely to say yes
if they can put a face to it and talk
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to you, and everything else.
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So also something to keep in mind
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